Morning Joe - Morning Joe 10/21/24

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

Trump calls Schiff, Pelosi 'enemies from within'

We know in terms of the parable of the Good Samaritan that we have learned and should live a life where in the face of a stranger, we see a neighbor. But that's not what we see on the other side of this equation in this election. It is constantly about berating people and belittling people and name-calling. So you have to tell Kamala Harris that you've had enough, that you just can't take it anymore. We can't stand you. You're a s***, Vice President. Pastor, I have to say, there is so much at stake right now. And when we think about how we have learned and have understood and lived the knowledge that ours is a loving God, and that we understand that for us to do good works, it means to do it in the spirit of understanding

that our strength is not based on who we beat down, as some would try and suggest. Our strength is based on who we lift up. And that spirit is very much at stake in these next 16 days. Arnold Palmer was all man. And I say that in all due respect to women, and I love women. But this guy, this guy, this is a guy that was all man. This man was strong and tough. And I refuse to say it, but when he took showers with the other pros, they came out of there.

They said, oh, my God. That's unbelievable. All right. Extremely contrasting focuses over the weekend from the two main presidential candidates. Now, 15 days, 15 until the election. Good morning and welcome to Morning Joe. It's Monday, October 21st. With us, we have the host of Way Too Early, White House bureau chief at Politico, Jonathan Lemire, president of the National Action Network and host of MSNBC's Politics Nation, Reverend Al Sharpton. NBC News and MSNBC political analyst, former U.S. Senator Claire McCaskill is with us. Staff writer at The Atlantic, Mark Leibovich joins us and Rogers chair in the American Presidency at Vanderbilt University, historian John Meacham. It's good to have you all with us this morning. Great to have everybody with us today.

Just over two weeks out. You know, I've been involved in politics now for 30 years, most of my adult life. And so at this point, I'm not surprised by much and certainly not shocked by much. The level of cynicism, though, coming this morning from the Wall Street Journal editorial page in light of comments that Donald Trump has been making really is shocking. John Meacham, go to you and then we'll go through all the details. But the journal's editorial the day after Donald Trump said that Democrats allied against him are, quote, the enemy from within. On a day after Donald Trump said that the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol was, quote, a beautiful thing, after he said that Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff were, quote,

bad people who threatened democracy and were the enemy within. And then Howie Kurtz said, well, will you at least say you're not going to punish or prosecute your political opponents? Trump replied, excuse me, that's what they're doing to me. In a separate Fox News interview on October 13th, Trump said that his foes, quote, could very easily be handled by the National Guard, if really necessary, by the military. He repeated the line about the enemy within days later during a Fox News town hall event. You call Americans who don't support you, quote, the enemy within. And so this morning, I woke up expecting, because there are times that the Wall Street Journal editorial page checks Mr. Trump at his worst instincts. Instead, they talk about the Democrats' fascism meme and say that basically Democrats are the real national socialists and that what they've done is far

worse than anything Donald Trump has done. Joe Biden's loan forgiveness, stop me if you've heard this before, was more lawbreaking than anything that Donald Trump has ever done. And in this entire editorial, they failed to mention one time, January the 6th. Instead of saying the worst thing that Donald Trump has ever done was when he tried to use money to build a wall that wasn't approved by Congress. I really, again, very rarely am I left without adequate words to explain what's going on here. But I was shocked enough yesterday that Donald Trump continued calling Democrats, quote, the enemy within, which, of course, is a precursor to him getting elected, calling them enemy combatants and being able to lock them up and have military tribunals. And they will dismiss this, perhaps, but they've never heard language like this before. And Republicans have been saying all week,

oh, no, he doesn't mean that. He's talking about illegal immigrants. And Donald Trump keeps saying, no, I'm not talking about illegal immigrants. I'm talking about Democrats being, quote, the enemy within. Let me say that again. And tell me if you've heard this before by a major party candidate calling his political opponents, quote, the enemy within. Worse than Putin, worse than Xi, who he says may not be our enemies, worse than than than than Kim Jong-un. Domestic political rivals the enemy within. And they're calling this a meme, which I don't know, John. I just don't know where that puts us. I really don't know where this puts us as a country because I've never I've never heard any politician call his opponents the enemy within and say they're going.

He's he's going after them. We've been to this. We haven't been to this particular place in America before, and I don't often say that. It worries me to say that. But if we don't have that recognition, if we don't have and this is going to sound grand, but if we don't have the moral and imaginative ability and capacity to recognize what is in front of our eyes and what we can hear with our ears. Then the central thesis, the central thesis of America, the American republic. If you want to go back to George Washington's farewell address was that this republic cannot exist without the moral and religious principle of a people. And leave out there if you want to leave out the religious part for a minute.

And let's just talk about the moral part. And it's not a sermon. It's not a homily. It's not a Sunday school lesson. It's moral in the sense of I care about how things are not just for me, but for other people. It's a pretty baseline thing, right? I'm not even saying you have to make it the most important thing. But if you let the will to power, an innate human drama to try to dominate other people, which is an absolutely fundamental human impulse. The point of the United States was that we were going to manage that impulse. We were actually going to make out of many one. And, you know, we Joe, you and I've talked about this before. The Wall Street Journal editorial page is enormously influential among people who think of themselves and usually are very accomplished, very often economically successful conservative Americans. And I you and I have joked in the past, you could write for a lot of people we know, you could put your grocery list in Wall Street Journal font and they would go, you know,

this is really profound. I think Edmund Burke said this about going to the dry cleaners. You know, it has that kind of capacity, that kind of reach. And what worries me to death nearly is either the kinds of Republicans that we know and grew up with either really believe this. They really believe that there's kind of a both sides thing, which is bad enough. And what's even a little worse is they don't really believe it. But because they they are not sufficiently troubled by what the former president represents, that they're looking for anything they can tell themselves to justify doing something that I think in their hearts they know is wrong. Well, they do. And again, the comparisons and you've heard it and I've heard it. People saying, well, January 6th was really not much. And my gosh, did you see what Joe Biden tried to do?

It's by by by by forgiving student loan debt, which, of course, he wants to forgive, which, of course, was was turned over parts of it by the United States Supreme Court. And Joe Biden didn't have his people attack the Capitol. Again, this right here, not even mentioned in today's, quote, fascist meme editorial. But yesterday, again, the enemy within the enemy within the enemy within. We keep hearing it. And who is the left wing freak, the left wing radical? The Wall Street Journal points to as being the most extreme in her hyperbole. One, Anne Applebaum, who devoted her early life to fighting against the Soviet Union, whose entire life has been dedicated to calling out Soviet Union's evils. and beyond. The same Ann Applebaum who continues to try to talk about the challenge of totalitarianism and authoritarianism for the Wall Street Journal editorial. She's the radical leftist. See,

doesn't that tell you something? Me, somebody who's far more conservative than Donald Trump, are 99 percent of the Republicans in Congress. Conservative, by the way, we used to talk about being conservative, like balancing budgets, pushing back against Reagan, pushing back against Russian aggression like Reagan did, like Reagan conservatives, far more conservative than anybody in Congress that I've seen over the past eight years. Far more conservative on those basic structures of what we grew up knowing conservatism is. And Ann Applebaum is the person here called out as being the radical leftist. It's revealing, isn't and and here somebody with a 95 percent uh a conservative

lifetime record in congress um we're we're the leftists we're the quote sick puppies which donald trump said yesterday when another fox news interviewer said joe scurva said that you once said that you were going uh that your people said that they were going to go after Morning Joe. And instead of just playing the tape of Kash Patel saying that, and Steve Bannon saying that, giving him that evidence, again, it's smoke and mirrors. So again, I'm concerned about this because it's shameful and it doesn't call out authoritarian language, Mika. But make no mistake, the pace is quickening. And there is a reason he is saying every day Democrats are the enemy within. Democrats are the enemy within Pelosi and Schiff and all and all of

these people. This this is they know everybody knows the first this is unprecedented. The first time around, it was the abortion meme. And we'll get to that, how that actually parallels perfectly. And Applebaum has a piece coming out in The Atlantic this week. We're going to have her on later this week, which will be good. And I want to I want to make that parallel in just a moment and go to Claire. But first, let's show you the latest comments. Here's former President Donald Trump standing by his claim that certain Democrats are enemies from within. Again, specifically attacking Congressman Adam Schiff and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Take a look at what he had to say on Fox News yesterday and later during a podcast interview.

The outside people, the so-called enemies, if they're enemies and they might not be enemies, if you have a smart president, they can be handled. But when you have people investigating my campaign, when you have people, you know, they spy on my campaign. Now you understand that that's been proven. But they spy on your campaign. The Russia, Russia, Russia hoax was was all made up. And now it's acknowledged that it was made up. All of these different things. You have the 51 different agents saying it was from Russia and now they all say it wasn't from Russia. OK, so we were like all many different things. You have the 51 different agents saying it was from Russia,

and now they all say it wasn't from Russia. Okay, so we were lying. Many other things. Many, many. I could go on. You just don't have enough time. But what they've done is so terrible. Who's ever heard of anything like this?

Adam Shifty Schiff. He's a crooked guy. He's a crooked politician. A hundred percent. He's going to be a senator now. Can you believe it? But again, he's a political opponent of yours, but he's an enemy. No, he's a well, he's of course he's an enemy.

He's an enemy. He's a bad people. We have a lot of bad people. But when you look at Shifty Schiff and some of the others, yeah, they are to me the enemy from within. I think Nancy Pelosi is an enemy from within. She lied. She was supposed to protect the Capitol. We have to protect our country and maybe we should let the the other

side. I don't even call him the enemy. I think we have more of an enemy from within than we do from outside. You know, if you have a smart president, they talk about China and Russia and everything else. If you have a smart president, they're not going to be the problem. We have a bigger problem from within. They hate it. I noticed today there was a he said the enemy from within. Of course, it's Adam Schiff. These are bad people. These are sick people and bad people.

House Speaker Mike Johnson was asked in a CNN interview about Trump's enemy from within remarks. And take a look at how that exchange played out. In multiple interviews this week, Donald Trump repeatedly referred to prominent Democrats and others on the left in the United States, American citizens as, quote, the enemy from within, unquote. And he suggested as president he would want to use the National Guard or military against them. Let me play some of that for our viewers. The bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they're the and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military,

because they can't let that happen. One of the first things you did when you joined Congress was to create the Honor and Civility Caucus. Does wanting to use the military against political opponents, would that pass muster with the Civility Caucus? That's not. Jake, you know, that's not what he's talking about there. What he's talking about is marauding gangs of dangerous, violent people who are destroying public property. Here's what he said when asked about it the next day. It is the enemy from within, and they're very dangerous. They're Marxists and communists and fascists. And they say, I use a guy like Adam Schiff because they made up the

Russia, Russia, Russia hooks. It took two years to solve the problem. Absolutely nothing was done wrong, et cetera, et cetera. They're dangerous for our country. We have China. We have Russia. We have all these countries. If you have a smart president, they can all be handled. The more difficult are, you know, the Pelosi's, these people, they're so sick and they're so evil. That's what he's talking about, using the U.S. military against not marauding gangs of Venezuelans. Wait a minute. Wait, hold on. Nancy Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's husband. So let me just say, if a Democratic presidential candidate said that you and your wife were evil and that the military should be used against you, I would say that's disgusting. Well, thank you. And and some have said that about us because they don't like my politics. I did not hear President Trump in that clip say he's going to sick the military on Adam

Schiff. That's not what he's saying. You've got two different clips in two different contexts. What President Trump is talking about is that they have been attacking and maligning him from the day he came down that golden escalator. Everybody knows that's true. In 2015, 2016, that's when this began. He's been the most attacked, maligned political figure in U.S. history. They tried to kill him twice in the last few months. I mean, this is real. And he feels that acutely. And Jake, you would, too, if you were under attack like he is all the time, every day. They I mean, Iran, who has assassination attempts out against him. But that's not crazy, dangerous. But Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi are not trying to assassinate Donald Trump. I mean, there's this conflation of any. They're not, Jake.

They're they're not. But no. But the political attacks have been relentless and they have been baseless. And the colleagues in the House say he must be eliminated. He must be extinguished. He's literally talking about this stuff is military, you know, against Democrats. I mean, he's literally talking. No, he's not. No, no, he's not. Jake.

No, he's not. No, he's talking about using the National Guard and the military to keep the peace in our streets. Don't really understand why Speaker Mike Johnson would like to participate in a cover up. And also, quite frankly, for Republicans out there, this could be you on a bad day. So let me go through this. I thought that was unbelievable. We're talking about Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff, and he shifts into they investigated him and they tried to kill him. And fortunately, Jake said, who's they? Who's right now doing a great job? And, you know,

Jake had the right clip. It was so easy to have the right clip. Anyhow, the point I think we need to look at here is what Donald Trump has done in the past. What facts do we have to base what we are seeing on, even though Republicans continue to try and detract and I think follow what you have rightfully called the Trump apologist playbook and pretend that things that were said weren't said or that he doesn't mean them. Here's how he means them. Donald Trump campaigned in his first campaign against abortion. He said we got to get rid of it. He said he's going to overturn Roe. He said women should be punished. Roe has been overturned and women are being punished. Nobody knows the Trump playbook and the fact that Trump is serious more than women across America. Women are paying the price. And before before the election,

why did they say, oh, no, no. Trump even said, oh, no, no. Roe's not going to be overturned. So what he does is he says extremely serious things about using the military to attack his enemies. He means it, but he also distracts it. And in the same day, on a particular day, he'll say, use the word schlonging against Harvey Weinstein or whatever he's trying to talk about. That makes no sense. And there's all this flutter about he used that word or Arnold Palmer's manly hood. I mean, he did that. And look, we're talking about it. But you know what? Not that much, because we find his obsession with genitalia boring. We actually think what's interesting here is the fact that he wants to use the military to go

against his enemies. Now, if you're one of those people who thinks he doesn't mean it or thinks he's joking, let me ask you, what presidential candidate makes that kind of joke and and quite frankly is not questioned about it many times over that's not a joke that's not even close to a joke well that's not even the kind of joke i would make that sometimes lands badly he keeps coming back serious and what's crazy is glenn yunkin made a fool of himself last week saying oh no that's not what he was saying he's not talking about democrats being the enemy within the The next day, Donald Trump said, yes, it is. And he talked about Democrats being the enemy within and talked about Adam Schiff. And then he talked about Nancy Pelosi. And then he talked about it on Friday. The enemy within Democrats are the enemy within

and saying that she is not as much of an enemy and Putin is not as much of an enemy and Kim Jong-un not as much of an enemy or a danger as elected Democrats, his elected political opponents. Claire McCaskill, I would love your thoughts on this and more on how women are already seeing how serious Donald Trump is in terms of wreaking havoc on their lives, yanking away life-saving health care and the overturning of Roe being an example of his threats being real. Yeah, I think, first of all, Mike Johnson, who I have respect for his religious faith, that he has relied on so much in his career, he claims is the most important guidepost for him. I think he needs to look up the false witness part in the Bible and do some praying on

that and hopefully do something that Donald Trump has proudly proclaimed he's never done, ask for forgiveness. Listen, here's the thing about will he do this? I noticed Lindsey Graham for the first time attacking American military. I meet the press yesterday, military leadership. I also noticed him doing the same thing. Donald Trump is not a danger. He's not really going to do this stuff. Let's just take a trip down reality lane. All you have to do, thank goodness, we have a way to check this. All we have to do is ask his chief of staff the first time he was in the Oval Office. We need to ask his White House counsel. We need to ask his attorney general. We need to ask chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the highest military leadership in our country. We need to ask his secretary of defense. We have references here. All we have to do is ask those five people what he tried to do in his first administration. And Lindsey Graham knows this. Mike Johnson knows this. He tried to get all of

them to do what he is now promising to do. They all said no. And here's what's different. He will not put people like that in the Oval Office next time around. He's proudly said he won't. He's proudly said that they were, you know, they were, you know, picked the best people, but somehow all of these people were terrible. Well, they were terrible because they told him he couldn't do these kinds of things in the United States of America. So, I mean, shame on Mike Johnson. I mean, that was really embarrassing for him. Shame on the Wall Street Journal and really shame on poor Lindsey. Well, Lindsey Graham, who stood up the day after January the 6th and said he was done with it.

Right. Just like Kevin McCarthy. And then they had a little pressure and buckled. Still out of Morning Joe, CBS issues a pointed response after Donald Trump accuses the network of deceitfully editing the 60 Minutes interview with Vice President Kamala Harris and says they should be taken off the air. Plus, how former Vice President Mike Pence is haunting this election. Mark Leibovich, we'll get to your new piece. Also ahead, Joe joined HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher on Friday night. We'll show you part of that conversation that covered Trump derangement syndrome and the very real concerns about the former president. You're watching Morning Joe. We're back in 90 seconds. I know what the Republicans say is, yeah, he talks like a fascist.

He'd never really do it. He used to say he'd put Hillary in jail. Remember, everything was locker up. He didn't do it. He had four years. He could have done it. That's not good enough for me. He tried to do it.

He went to two attorney generals and both of them said, we have nothing to bring charges against. Right. People don't remember two weeks before the election in 2020, he was pressuring Barr, his attorney general, to arrest Joe Biden. What drives me crazy is this past week, like, I don't want people to listen to me. I don't want them to listen to you. I don't want them to listen to anybody. I want them to listen to what Donald Trump says. And this past week, this past week, Donald Trump said that he was going to use the military and the National Guard to arrest his political opponents. He was asked if he would

back off of that. And he said no. And he said no. In fact, he doubled down. He talked about Nancy Pelosi being evil, her husband being evil, Schiff being evil, talking about arresting them. He said he was going to execute the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff because he was disloyal to him. He told another chief of staff who was a general, I wish my generals were like Hitler's generals. It's a new season of The Sopranos. It's crazy. I mean, it really is. But people, you know, you tell people this and they go, oh, he didn't say that. You show them the clip and then they go, he doesn't mean that. He does. And that's when they say you have Trump derangement syndrome. And I would just like to say to my Republican friends, it's not deranged to fear this. No, it's not deranged to fear this. No, it's not deranged to find this alarming.

No, it is. What I said? Yeah, we're not saying this. We're not guessing what he's going to do. He's saying, no, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to get Liz Cheney in a military tribunal. His people have said they're going to arrest my producers. He said he was going to shut down CBS because he didn't like how they edited a package in 60 minutes. He's out of control. His words. That was Joe on HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher on Friday night

alongside the entrepreneur Mark Cuban. And Reverend Sharpton, I mean, Trump derangement syndrome is what Republicans like to do to dismiss these concerns. But to Joe's point, Donald Trump himself says this. And yes, we can spend time about his weekend talking about Arnold Palmer and his staged photo op at a McDonald's, but it's about this focus on the enemy within. And he has said now, not once, not twice,

dozens of times that he will use the power of the government if elected again, including in recent days, suggesting the military to go after his political opponents. This is as dangerous as it gets. He's not he's not only said it, he has doubled down on it. And people that worked in his administration has talked about how he would operate in that manner. We have to remember people that were in his cabinet and that was in his circle are saying, don't vote for him. This is how he believes. This is how he acts, which is a real threat to all of us that have opposed him. You know, I was one stab leading a march. So I take that seriously when I have called Joe and said, you better watch security because you're dealing with a man who himself faced two assassination attempts. You would think he would be careful about trying to demonize and target people, public figures that may you may disagree with, because when people hear that rhetoric,

some people can say he's right. They're the enemy and they may do anything. So not only do you have to fear government, you have to fear people that will take things into their own hands, including the people that tried to assassinate him. It it raises the likelihood of a dangerous environment. And we should not belittle that in any way on either side of these political debates. He's not looking to take down the temperature. He's ramping it up. Violence, the threat of violence is part of this. And I know federal and local law enforcement officials deeply concerned that they'll surround this election again. And Mark Leibovich, that's in part because Trump has inspired violence previously around January 6th. And one of the potential targets of that violence was his then vice president, Mike Pence. And you just wrote a new piece about

how Mike Pence hovers over this entire election. Yeah, no, I mean, Mike Pence is kind of the living, but also the absent example of of all of this. This is why I mean, it's, Mike Pence is kind of the living but also the absent example of all of this. This is why I mean, it's kind of he's kind of an example of kind of politics by the mob. His absence, I think, speaks volumes in some ways than he has himself since what happened on January 6th. So Mike Pence, look, he's kind of a symbol of the moment four years ago, almost, when Donald Trump kind of broke free of all consequences. Once it was clear that he could get away with that, that the Republican Party would indulge that, that, you know, with help from any number of Republicans in the House and the Senate

and the Supreme Court, even that pretty much anything was possible. And the fact that Mike Pence has kind of been cowed into silence and is somewhat, you know, just really off the stage is, I think, itself emblematic of Donald Trump's ability not only to perpetrate a really, really, you know, just un-American history, but also to erase it from the fact that it can be part of any kind of conversation going forward. So I wanted to look at Mike Pence and his sort of specter over the campaign and what it could bode for the future. And John Meacham, we just we saw the Speaker of the House continue to deny, as the governor of Virginia last week, continued to deny Donald Trump's own words that we have on videotape. And it's repeated many times now.

And of course, the Wall Street Journal is doing it this morning, the editorial page, which, of course, they bring up Mark Milley. They don't bring up the fact that Donald Trump endorsed the idea of executing Mark Milley, that Donald Trump endorsed the idea of putting Liz Cheney before a military tribunal, that Donald Trump said he would be a dictator on day one. When Sean Hannity asked him if he was joking, he said, no, I'm going to be a dictator on day one. His own lawyers told the courts that he could hire SEAL Team Six to execute his political opponents and have immunity from that as well. Of course, he talked about terminating the Constitution. If that took, that's what was required to be to be president. And so. This is this is just a blindness, a willful blindness to overwhelming evidence that not only is he not fit to be president of the United States again,

but that he is a danger unique in our lifetimes to be president of the United States. And again, they're trying the what about-ism saying, again, stack all of this up about Donald Trump saying that his opponents are the enemy within and worse than she, who of course has put 2 million people in a concentration camp because of their religion. And they said, well, Democrats really are bad. And for evidence of that, just look and see what Joe Biden did by trying to forgive student loan debt.

And again, in this entire editorial, they don't mention January 6th once. So as you said the other night, the choice cannot be clearer. It just can't. I don't know how it could. And what a lot of the people who are kind of on the bubble here who are going to decide this in many ways are people who have to say and who are in their mind saying, yeah, Trump may be crazy, but she's a socialist or whatever the but is to get to where they want to get because they want to get to voting for they want to get to voting against Democrats. Right. That that's and any any justification, you know, you're going to grab anything on your way to try to get there. To me, the choice is, yes, he is an authoritarian figure. And just because it didn't work last time doesn't mean it won't work this time.

If it weren't for Mike Pence, we very well could have created 14 days of chaos in this country that would have led to an election in the House of Representatives that would have taken a free and fair election away from President Biden. Right. I mean, that's and again, that's not us speculating. That's what they said they wanted to do. So the choice here has to be not. All right. I understand he's authoritarian, but he doesn't really mean it. Let's try to be voters who don't say but but say and. Yes, he's a creepingly authoritarian, authoritarian figure. And therefore, I'm going to vote. I may disagree about policy. I may disagree about this or that with Vice President Harris. But let's be clear. Vice President Harris is not going to send a mob to the Capitol and try to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. She's not going to talk about the enemy within. She's not going to do this. And we if, in fact, you know what? I remember talking to some folks during the 2020 cycle. If he wins, maybe this is who we are. And maybe that's the complicated, terrible reality we're going to have to confront.

But let's try not to be that country. All right. Presidential historian John Meacham, thank you very much for your thoughts this morning. And coming up, we're going to take a break from politics and turn to a big weekend in sports. The World Series is now set. We'll talk about the looming matchup between the Dodgers and the Yankees. Plus, Pablo Torre joins us live from Minnesota with highlights from yesterday's Vikings-Lions game, a game that could have been an NFC championship preview. And a note as we go to break, we've got some big interviews lined up this week. We'll bring you Joe's conversations with Bill Maher, Al Pacino, and Jimmy Kimmel.

Morning Joe, we'll be right back. About a half step inside his own end zone, and he's got a seam. Jones, Hopkins, unable to beat him, and here we go. Jones, one man to beat him, and he's in. Inside his five, and he catches it. Makes a beeline past the 20. He's got some open space. Past the 40. Get past the putter. Inside the 40.

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Patrick Mahomes racing to the end zone, and he's out of bounds. Wow. What a week. What a week. Let's bring in Pablo Torre. Let's look at some of the plays from the winning team just in the NFL. Let's bring in the host of Pablo Torre Finds Out on Metal Arc Media. OSNBC contributor Pablo Torre.

Pablo, we're going to get to the extraordinary game you got to see yesterday. How exciting. I just got to – we just have to – let's get some of the junk out of the way first. All right? Some of the cellar dwellers. By the way, the Panthers, watching the Carolina Panthers play reminds me of what John McKay, the coach of the hapless Buccaneers who went 0 and 14 his first year, said when they asked about his team, he goes, well, we're actually much worse than our record would indicate. And that's when I see the Panthers.

It's the same thing. They're just absolutely awful. I don't want to bring up three other teams and just talk about underperforming. Like right now, who's the biggest disappointment this far in? Is it the Browns, who were simply horrid? The Cowboys or the Jets, who were supposed to be? I mean, you look for one of the better teams top to bottom. Which of those three teams have disappointed the most? Yeah, Joe, hello from Minneapolis. When you said, I want to get the junk out of the way, I thought you wanted to start maybe with some Arnold Palmer talk. But no, we digress.

There you go. We'll get, in fact, to the New York Jets, which feels like they've been hitting the crock repeatedly for decades. But instead, this week, Joe, last night, I mean, let's just keep in mind what happened. The Browns are bad. The Panthers are bad yes but the jets with aaron rogers what they've been doing is making a series of moves that continue to go all in on the premise that this quarterback this conspiracist quarterback who was once arguably one of the two greatest quarterbacks of his generation deserves to have say over what happens in this football team. And so they got Devontae Adams, his preferred wide-receiving target.

They got him, and then they go and they play the Steelers. And they, by the way, in Pittsburgh, they bench your guy, Justin Fields. They bring Russell Wilson back, and that Steeler team cobbled together with tape and glue and a little bit of spit. They destroy the Jets. I mean, this is a disaster. Well, you know, I have always cheered for Russ Wilson because I thought he was treated terribly in Denver and Fields as well.

And as much as I wanted Russ to get a chance, I couldn't believe they took out Fields who, you know, taken a 4-2 record, but my gosh, last night, Russ Wilson just looked great, didn't he? Oh, yeah, the second half. Look, you start off as you do when you replace Justin Fields, who was good, as you point out, or at least

an expectation. You start off by being booed if you're Russell Wilson. That happened early on. But by the second half, again, just the juxtaposition, the contrast with Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson got better as the game went on. Russell Wilson ended up being a reminder of sometimes,

you know, it's that country music quote, sometimes I'm as good once as I... What is it? It's... You don't know country music. Oh, my God. Let me relate to America while I'm in the park. I'm not. Here it is.

Here it is. I'm connecting. I'm putting my thumb in front of my... Here we go. I'm not as good as I once was. But I'm as good once as I ever was. There you go. You gotta know when to hold them. You need to know when to fold them.

Know when to walk away. You need to know when to run. Absolutely. I refuse. Let's talk about something you do know about, and that is great football games. By the way, what an awesome decision by you to go up and watch this game. Two of the best teams in football, and the Lions came out on top. Talk, take us through the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I am your, you know, unilaterally assigned Real America correspondent going to Minnesota to watch, to watch, to watch, by the way, what turned out to be a preview, I believe, of the NFC championship game, which is to say a preview of this season, the two best teams currently in the greatest division, arguably in NFL history. And so what this was, Joe, was a game in which the Detroit Lions and all of us picked the Lions. I recall at the beginning of this season, it looked grim. Aiden Hutchinson, their star defensive player, got hurt last week. They come into a Vikings, truly into a state of Minnesota that is expecting the undefeated Vikings to just roll. And what we get is the greatest game that Jared Goff,

the once cast-off quarterback of the Lions, has ever played. I mean, keep in mind as you're watching these clips, the Vikings' defense is really, really good. Their offense with Sam D also been great again, five and O entering this game, but the Jared Goff we saw was a surgeon. I mean, it's really hard to do what he did against the defense like this. And so this was a thriller. I mean, this was a game that had lead changes back and forth.

My hands were hurting from scoldinging, sculling. It was an incredible atmosphere that they will be lucky to see in the NFC title game. And I think we will. It was great. And you're right. Goff, the last stat I saw, I don't know if this was his final stat or not, but he was like 22 for 25. He had close to 300 yards, two TDs. He had a to 300 yards, two TDs. He had a great game. Yeah, let's go to Claire McCaskill, huge Chiefs fan.

She'll be asking you about the Chiefs 49ers game. Claire, your team, the good guys, won in the end. But both of the quarterbacks, they've had better days, haven't they? I don't know. And here's how you judge pat mahomes does he win and pat mahomes wins he figures out a way to win both these teams were hobbled by serious injuries i mean at this point in time we're gonna have the ball boy going out for a pass on the chiefs our wide receivers are dropping like flies lots and lots of injuries. But listen, this guy, he just knows how to win.

It doesn't matter if it's pretty. Doesn't matter if it's ugly. We are the only undefeated in the NFL, period, full stop. You know, it's funny. It's a question. Yeah. Go ahead, Pablo. So Claire's asking, what makes the chief so great? Take it. No. Well, look, I'm just deciphering a bit of spin this morning from the senator. Right. So even if it's ugly, even if it's not pretty, that indicates this was ugly and this was not pretty. OK, this was Patrick Holmes, really as as bad as we've seen him in recent memory. Zero touchdowns, a couple picks. And the story of the game and the reason why Claire McCaskill should feel great, should feel great about this is because the

defense, the Chiefs defense. Remember, this was the story carrying this Chiefs team at times during the regular season last year. They came to bail out the offense again. Again, the 49ers here. Yes, they're banged up. Yes, they're struggling. but this is a top team in the NFC as well. And so if the Chiefs can win games like this, I remember right after the Chiefs won the season opener, I came on here and you guys were yucking my yum. Let's recall that. I was saying, this is the team that everybody's going to have to be. And the reason I feel ever more confident in Claire McCaskill's Chiefs is because they can win games ugly like this when Mahomes is not is not the best quarterback of his generation which he is otherwise it's because that defense can can bail them out so Pablo uh we're gonna get to baseball but I've got to talk bring up two games

in college football and let's keep this fairly short because I want you to talk about the Yankees Dodgers just a premier matchup the first is I feel free to comment on just how bad Alabama is this year. Just how lost. Really? No, just how lost. And I'm serious, how lost DeBoer is, how they don't have an offensive scheme. They don't have a defensive scheme. Like high school. They look like a JV team. They were just completely lost through the game. But the game that I find to be the most fascinating, because we know Alabama is just lost, it was Georgia-Texas. And I said on this show and said throughout the week, when I saw it, I saw Vegas was giving Georgia three and a half points.

I said, you're giving Kirby Smart three and a half points. I said, you're giving Kirby Smart three and a half points, like expecting him to lose two games in a month. Yeah. Get ready to pay out. And sure enough, Georgia went to Texas and trounced them. Oh, destruction. They had to change quarterbacks. They went to Arch Manning. They benched when yours. This. This was an embarrassing performance by the number one team in the nation. That's what we're calling Texas. But if you want to hang your hat on the dominance of the SEC, Joe, I think that's a fair point. I mean, look, the Georgia thing, it's funny.

I can just connect that to Alabama very briefly. Yes, Alabama beat Georgia in that game, and you were worried, and I was like, Joe, why are you worried? They have a 17-year-old wide receiver who's a Heisman candidate. And then what did they do then? Okay, they lose to Vandy, barely beat South Carolina, lose to Tennessee, which you just referenced. And the only good news for those like you who care about this Alabama football team

is that there's a 12-team playoff for the first time this season. So two losses does not quite mean death unless, of course, they lose again, in which case, yeah, this is a Kalen DeBoer. Please, you know, hire your own political consultant because people are coming for you. This is not this is not the Alabama that anybody remembers. And it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. Yep. So, Pavel, let's shift to baseball. And we have quite the fall classic ahead of us.

The New York Yankees back in the World Series for the first time since 2009. Your New York Yankees, Giancarlo Stanton, continues to stay hot. Juan Soto with a huge home run to finish off the Guardians. And then last night, I mean, the New York Mets have given their fans so many thrills in recent weeks, but the Magic simply ran out against a better team. So now here we have it. New York Yankees, Los Angeles Dodgers,

two signature franchises, their first World Series matchup since 1981. These teams have played in the Fall Classic quite a bit, including when the Dodgers were back in Brooklyn. And it is star-studded. Otani, Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, Juan Soto, Aaron Judge, Garrett Cole, and the rest. So it starts Friday night.

Give us a preview. Yeah, look, the macro of this is that baseball has been a regional sport. That's been the critique of it for years now. And here you have what I believe to be the highest rated national World Series in terms of those markets, right? This is the Dodgers. This is the Yankees. This is Japan with Otani. I believe this will be the most watched World Series in baseball history.

And I think it's also a bit like the Batman versus Superman thing. Like, I have not seen this matchup in a World Series in my lifetime. And so here you have the two marquee franchises. You have, by the way, in my New York Yankees, John, let's just recall, Soto, Judge, Stanton. Like, Judge right now is the one who's struggling out of the three. But Stanton's, I believe, like five home runs in seven games. Soto, of course, we just, I believe, showed the game winner that three-run shot to win. This is a Yankee team that I believe is just more complete than the Dodgers right now.

The Dodgers just beat the Mets with a bullpen game. Their pitching staff has been decimated. Look, at the risk of sounding like the thing you really regard me as, which is an unrepentant Homer who is a New York elitist. I believe that the New York Yankees are going to get the 28th reg band. This is just how all of this is shaping up to me. And they're going to do it against. Yeah, maybe the greatest player of all time in Shohei Otani. All right. By the way, the New york liberty won the wnba championship and the mets lost the host of pablo tory finds out on metal arc media pablo tory thank you

so much it's good to see you