Morning Joe - Morning Joe 5/6/25

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

AOC makes 'seniority' dig when turning down bid for top Oversight Committee post

All I'm saying is that you don't have to pay a young lady, a 10-year-old girl, a 9-year-old girl, a 15-year-old girl. Doesn't need $37. She could be very happy with two or three or four or five. Buddy, a 15-year-old girl is not going to be happy with two or three or four or five dollars because a 15-year-old girl isn't happy with anything. Now that comes from someone who's getting from experience.

That is funny. I will second that. All right, President Trump continues to defend his tariffs and the impact they could have on prices and the supply chain. Letters this morning, he'll welcome Canada's newly elected Prime Minister, Mark Carney, to the supply chain. Letter this morning, he'll welcome Canada's newly elected Prime Minister Mark Carney to the White House.

We'll preview that high-stakes meeting between top trading partners. It comes as the Trump administration is now offering to pay undocumented migrants to voluntarily leave the United States. It's not clear how the migrants would actually receive the money, but it's an idea. Also ahead, Democratic congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says she won't seek a top position on a key committee. We'll have her comments on that decision. Plus, we're going to dig into alarming new reporting about communication issues at Newark

Airport and how the Trump administration is responding. Man, that's some terrifying stuff right there. Yeah, there are lots of different reports coming out that don't bode well. Not good. Summer travel at the very least. Good morning and welcome to Morning Joe. It is Tuesday, May 6th, along with Joe, Willie and me. We have the co-host of our fourth hour, Jonathan Lemire. He's a contributing writer at The Atlantic covering the White House and national politics. Smile, smile John. John, are you okay? Smile. Tough night.

Smile. Come on. Are you up that late? We'll get to it in a second. President of the National Action Network and host of MSNBC's Politics Nation, Reverend Al Sharpton. And look at this. I mean, come on. He shows up at 6 a.m. after a long night on time. He's always here at like 4 a.m. You know what? MSNBC's contributor Mike Barnicle is here, along with politics reporter for Semaphore,

Dave Weigel. Good to have you all. And we will take note, Willie, Dave Weigel wearing Celtic screen this morning. Oh, oh, oh. Let me tell you, last night though, Willie, what a game. Men of Steel, New York's talking about it. We meet again, the back of the Daily News. Give Jonathan Lemire all the news he doesn't want to hear about on that

well we've already last John and I communicated last night after the game we've got not our systems. Great fight by the New York Knicks they were down by 20 points in the 3rd quarter it was 75 to 55 they came back to force overtime. This is the last possession in overtime Knicks up 3 a steal by mckale bridges story the game though as good as the next work down the stretch and Jalen Brunson was great again OJ and nobody was great. Was the Boston Celtics missing a playoff record 45 3 point

oh my gosh they were 15 for 60 in the game that's their game they shoot 3 pointers is strategic and it cost them last night but John as I said to you the fact that they missed 45 3 porters and arguably should have won the game shows a little bit of a talent gap here but got to give the Knicks credit for the way they played down the stretch. A ton of credit it would have been easy fall behind 20 on the road third quarter to pack it in and say we'll get him in game

too. They didn't they were they showed a lot of fight they were really physical refs let both teams play last night. Knicks beat up the Celtics who were small because Porzingis left the game with an illness and I will say the Celtics played terribly and deserve to lose. They did their three-pointer that's been their calling card all year even their fans when things are going well think they're too reliant on it and last night they took 63 only making 15 of of them very interesting 40 of those shot by Garrett Whitlock. Yeah, reliever that's blown in saves this week again went out

to play some basketball, it's cross current Boston sports disaster. It's really is a terrible not a tough not a good week for the linear household. Yeah, the Celtics look they got beat they deserve to get they did not play well down the stretch and now suddenly. I said, I said this is gonna be a fight. It's gonna be a long series. Tomorrow night, game two in Boston becomes a must win for the Celtics.

Oh boy, that's something. And look at just Brunson, you have to say it again. He was the clutch player of the year, the NBA. He's just great when the game matters always with the ball in his hands. Can I say something? Sure. The Celtics do indeed remind me of the Red Sox bullpen in a certain sense.

But there's a larger issue, and this must be just for me, not for you guys. You guys are legitimate NBA fans. There's something tedious about watching a sport where they come down the court and start taking threes from like half court all night long. What about passing? What about playmaking? Where is Bob Cousy when we need him? Exactly. I will tell you, I will tell you, Joey is a massive NBA fan and he, you know, he's, he's brain man when it comes to NBA facts and he'll just spit them out and he keeps trying to drag me in

through the whole Golden State running goes dad you gotta watch this TV and it's just say, you know people walk down the court and They shoot it from 40 and then they turn around and walk back. It is nothing. I'm an old man It ain't nothing like the 80s. No where I mean it just yeah, but anyway, that's that's a fun last night seemed great not to rain on anybody's parade here about the old men but great brigade here they were great the next great next to the win this series. They were wow saying we'll say I knew it the med gala last night right. Rev you're so that is I've got to say that something I never quite understand, but I see a lot of funny looking dresses the next day.

Oh, look at that! Wow! That's how you do it. Come on, baby! Al Sharpton! That is nice! Wow! Tell us about it.

My God! Well, it's fashion's biggest event, and it's a chronic event. And every year, everyone is hoping they get invited. And this is my second year, and Aisha, make sure who you know. How does one get invited? Yeah, it's up to Anna Wintle and the Met. And they are very selective. And you have everybody, every A-lister you could think of

was there, I mean, everyone was there last night, from Diana Ross to Stevie Wonder performed, Usher, and everybody in fashion. And Vice President Harris was there. And it was a statement, though, last night they made on what we talk about, black male dandyism, in terms of how the dress was in the early 20th century, which was a way of rebelling through your fashion. You didn't protest

with a picket sign. You just by the way you expressed yourself and said, I'm going to dress up and be noticed despite the fact I'm living in segregation. So that was the statement. And I thought what was important about it is to make a statement of diversity while we're debating diversity in the national political circles of President Trump and others. So I give Anna a lot of credit for having the courage

to not cancel it if it was planned in advance or to advance this, but it was a great night and everyone got on their best. You're looking very sharp. I know, Mika. You'll never be invited. I know that. I'm thinking that the Celtics were three for 28 from threes. As far as my invites to the Met, I'm 0 for 62.

It's a little worse. It's a little worse. By the way, still all due respect, home watching the Knicks was the place to 62. It's a little worse. By the way, all due respect, home watching the Knicks was the place to be. Yeah, for me. I just thought it would be fun. That looked amazing. Let's get to the news.

Our top story this morning, this morning we continue to see massive travel disruptions at one of the nation's busiest airports and we're getting new information about what initially caused the delays and cancellations. We've learned at one point last week air traffic controllers temporarily lost communication with planes flying in and out of Newark International Airport. Is that bad? That's not good. No. There was a malfunction with federal aviation

administration equipment and air traffic controllers were unable to see, hear or talk with any aircraft. It's not clear how long communication was lost, but because of that incident, several air traffic controllers went on leave. New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy sent a letter to Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy yesterday asking for technology upgrades at Newark Airport. You know, Willie, this is something, Steve Ratner has been complaining for years that we have antiquated systems, FAA has antiquated systems. Things were bad before COVID. Things

have gotten so much worse even after COVID. A lot of people getting out as air traffic controllers, taking early retirement. You've got a retirement age at 56, which makes absolutely no sense. I could trust myself at my age now than I would have at 56 or 46 or 36. I mean people into their 60s, early 60s, mid 60s should be able to be doing this. I mean, they've really got to take another look at this. It's not it's not like 1955. They need to keep the best and the brightest in there for as long as they can.

Well, I mean, you hear the details of that story. We are very lucky there was no catastrophe. Yeah. Air tragedy. When you lose communication with all the traffic coming in and out of a New York area airport, that's just staggering. And then you have the walkout, which has further made the problems even worse. They walked out the FAA, the air traffic controllers, because of this, saying, hey, we're going to make a statement here. We need to change something because this is not working.

The Wall Street Journal is actually writing about this this morning. America's air traffic fiasco. This comes from the editorial board writing, President Trump wants to reorder the global trading system. How about fixing America's air traffic mess? Congress in 2003 directed the FAA to modernize its systems, yet the next-gen overhaul is not set to be complete until 2030. As Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy notes, the FAA still

uses floppy disks. Does Gen Z even know what those are? Few technicians can even repair its aging system, some of which are more than 60 years old. The best reform would be if the U.S. followed Canada and other nations and turned air traffic over to a private nonprofit. Meanwhile, get ready for another summer of air traffic delays or worse. And I think we've all heard this. You're sitting at a gate somewhere and you go,

weather looks good, weather's good where I'm going, what's going on? And I heard this just a couple of months ago at one airport where they said we actually have to fly to Denver first, get to a hub and wait until newer clears because of all the chaos there. Yeah, and this has happened, Mike, summer after summer since COVID. A couple of years ago, especially bad. I know Pete Buttigieg was constantly going to airports and coming on television trying to explain what was going on. Here we are, 2025. The situation seems to be going from bad to worse. This looks like a terrible launch for a travel summer

for millions and millions of Americans and a summer that appears to be the least safe in some time. So, but we accept it as passengers. We accept that we go to the airport, there's gonna be a delay in our flight. We're gonna sit on the runway yesterday because of the Newark situation and it all starts in Philadelphia

with the lack of FAA control or whatever. We sat on the runway for an hour and a half to two hours. We take off. We're coming to New York. It's very rainy and cloudy out, obviously, on the ground. We're coming in for a landing, planes coming in, and all of a sudden, zoom, we swoop upwards. The pilot comes on the air and says, you know, sorry about that.

The runway was a little overcrowded. We're gonna take another round and take a run at it again. And that happens too often. And it's a miracle that something really, truly tragic and horrific has not happened, especially on the East Coast of America. All of these airports in such a small geographical area,

and FAA traffic control problems, please, let's go. Yeah, I mean, they've got to do something. I mean, they're using floppy disks right now. They've got systems that are so old, 60 years old. I mean, come on. Why can't we wait till 2030? We've got to get it now. Okay, we'll be following this story. Let's move to politics now.

Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Gortez is passing on the chance to seek the top Democratic position on the Oversight Committee. The New York Democrat ran for the job last year but lost to Congressman Jerry Connolly who's now stepping back from the role for health reasons. She cited her party's preference to select more senior members of Congress for leadership roles as an obstacle to a potential run. Ocasio-Cortez has been drawing large crowds alongside Senator Bernie Sanders at rallies

around the country in opposition to President Trump's policies. We have nobody ever said that Congress was a meritocracy. I understand that AOC may be more progressive than a lot of people. I also understand that she's one of the most articulate, exciting people in the Democratic field. She goes out with Bernie Sanders. She's good in her hearing, too. And. Yeah, she just draws so many people. Very good, very effective in

hearings. We've seen a lot of people. Nancy Pelosi was a progressive. When Nancy became leader, she realized she needed to represent the entire caucus. AOC certainly could do that as well. After the election, she was going around talking to people who voted for her and Donald Trump, saying, I want to understand why did you do that? What don't I understand? I just, listen, Democrats, and we can talk to Dave Weigel about this in a second, their approval rating is just absolutely disastrous. They don't need to keep getting people like in retirement, you know, past retirement age, being their voice.

They need somebody young like AOC. And again, it's not about ideology. You know, she can carry the message forward for a Democratic Party that really needs to reach out to younger Americans. They need to reach out to younger Americans, and they need to reach out in an authentic way. I think that what makes AOC effective is not only that she's younger, but that she comes off authentic

without saying, I'm trying to kick the older crowd aside, because it was very important. She did that tour with 83-year-old Bernie Sanders, while some of the younger members of Congress were saying the old guard needs to retire. She's showing a balance and a maturity as a young person and a message that penetrates. And by the way, what a great message to have.

You've got all these Ivy League boys, you know, that are in the Trump administration that went all the no offense to Ivy League boys here are anywhere. But all these all these guys, billionaire Ivy leaguers, right, attacking her going, oh, she's an elite. And she's like, what do you do? I was like a bartender or a barista or whatever she was sick. What are you talking about? I had to work my ass off to stay one step ahead of creditors and debtors.

I know you. And she talks as one who had to work away against some trust fund babies that are playing blue collar workers in the White House that has no idea what it is. Her authenticity makes her, I think, and I think that goes beyond ages. Cause like I said, for her and Bernie to hook up shows the age gap really dies if you deal with people that are really speaking to the will of people.

We should note though, you know, certainly very supportive of her tour there of Senator Sanders, but her statement is that I shall read it. It's actually clear to me that the underlying dynamics in this caucus has not shifted with respect to seniority as much as I think would be necessary. There's a dig there that the Democrats are still,

a little bit still stuck in the past. Now, does she need it? No, she's a huge star already, she's an immense political talent. The Democrats need her more than she needs the Democrats. Yes. It's that simple. And so she's got to be thinking, wait a second, wait, I'm going to put myself out there again

just so a bunch of old members and seniority are going to like knock me down? Yeah, no, that's the thinking here is that she doesn't need it. She's a big brand. She's very talented. There's already a lot of speculation as to what her political future would be if she wants to run for something statewide New York or even bigger down the road. You know, but in her decision here, she makes it clear like, hey, this party still needs to change how they're doing things. Democrats don't know what to do with her because she is so exciting. She draws

big crowds and yet they worry that Republicans use her successfully as a boogie woman. Yeah. She's the Green New Deal. She's a leftist Yeah, I think it's either or I think she's incredibly talented but there's a lot of room to look at a lot of people over the coming months and You know, yes, of course, it's always good to appeal to young people, but they are not the most dependable voters You need someone who appeals to all people, but they are not the most dependable voters. You need someone who appeals to all people, including Republicans. Well, I mean, and she and Bernie do. We talked about the fact that you have none other than Steve Bannon, who talks about AOC

all the time and says, yeah, she's right on a lot of populist issues. So Dave Waggles writing about all of this. Dave, in your latest piece titled Trump's Falling in Polls, Why Aren't Democrats Benefiting? You write this. Democratic leaders love talking about the president's flagging poll numbers. Their own numbers, not so much. The easiest answer to the Democrats' problems

is the one reporters enjoy the least. It's early. Most voters rejected Democrats last year, and they're not looking at politics again until they really have to. But why are Democrats less popular now than they usually are after defeats? And why are Republicans holding on to most of their 2024 support? One reason suggested by the actual special election results so far is that

some of the anti-democratic negativity is from people who will vote for the party anyway. Another reason is a long term shift against the party that's been visible in voter registration patterns for eight years. At this point in 2017, Democrats still outnumbered registered Republicans in Florida. Republicans now hold a 1.2 million voter advantage. Dave, we talked about that poll that was out last week that showed the president with only 37% approval rating, but when you look down, Democrats had a 30% approval rating. That's the ABC News Washington Post poll from last week. We've asked Democratic leaders on this show

how they explain that number. And there really actually hasn't been a great answer so far. There really hasn't. Everyone has tried. And Democrats keep describing these poll numbers and Trump support almost like a lever. He gonna go down we're gonna come up and they haven't come up their own polling I talked to Navigator Research which does a lot of polling for Democrats helping with their messaging their analysis is

just that 74% of the country and their numbers doesn't like the political system wants to change it completely the rest of the electorate that's it which is smaller than even that Democratic chair you pointed out there, says you can make changes to it. And this AOC conversation you were just having leads into that. The party is still seen as protecting a sort of system, a sort of set of norms that are not that popular. And you find this talking to voters who are not, as I said in that piece, not that engaged

with politics yet. as unpopular as coverage of the tariffs has been as unpopular as the tears have been with people who have who are trying to build things in America there's still this impression you hear from a lot of voters or a lot I guess a lot of people who might vote that Trump is trying something different it may be to work maybe it'll bring factories back home there is still a bias in the electorate towards trying something new against defending the norms and the people who set those norms up.

So, Dave, off of your reporting here and getting back to Donald Trump, you just mentioned, how is it that the Democrats seemingly have no idea of how strong Trump is in people's lives compared to them? They feel that Democrats just simply do not know them. They don't know, Democrats don't know people who go shopping, who have kids in elementary school, who pay pump prices at the gas station that are ridiculous to them, that have a tough time making a living,

and yet they still think that Democrats don't know me. How does that happen to a party? Yeah that's another part of this data that says that Democrats have lost their lead on which party identifies people like you, fights people like you, everything you were saying. A number of reasons for that. One, that historically the party is seen as redistribution not oriented toward success. And that got worse after COVID. The party still has this hangover from the COVID spending that was popular

at the time that Trump took credit for, the idea that it is giving money to people who are not working. It has a number of problems with the way that Trump economy is sold, the way that they're responding to it. Again, I don't want to repeat myself talking about the tariffs, but Democrats keep trying to change the conversation to Medicaid, to Medicare, to the things they're most safe

on, defending entitlements the way they are. And Republicans are not giving them much breathing room, too. Republicans are being smart here, too, not just Trump, and not really talking about how they want to change Medicaid and Medicare, and talking only about giving more benefits to people, only about cutting taxes on tips. This is part of the story. Democrats are not taking every advantage, but Republicans, too, are offering lots of free stuff to people, including tax cuts, not quite explaining how they're going to

pay for it. Democrats are still trying to find some way through that that will come with an explanation for how they're going to fund their programs. And that's just not very compelling right now. Is it less compelling if everything falls apart and the numbers don't add up? Possibly. Democrats might have an opening once Republicans have a budget, which they punt and they punt week after week.

But the situation right now is that they're associated, Democrats are associated with free stuff for other people, and the Republicans are associated with benefits, tax breaks, everything you want for you. Well again, I mean the greatest irony of all is you've got all these Ivy League billionaires who actually Americans believe understand how they live more than Democrats who have been successfully painted and I will say over the past 30-40 years have painted themselves into the corner of being elitists and so much of this just has to do with personality. We always talk about a focus group we saw in 2016 where a blue class, a working class

blue collar woman, you know, asked, why are you supporting Donald Trump? And she said, because he's one of us, because he's one of us. Because he's one of us. I remember was it Tom Wicker that had a book on Nixon called One of Us and and Republicans have been very good whether they are one of them or not. A fact you know connecting there you take an example that you gave and the book Democrats don't have that right now not on the national stage maybe Bernie maybe AOC, but you look at the leadership, you look at Chuck Schumer, and you brought up the conversation with Chuck Schumer when you're talking about his approval ratings versus Donald Trump's. Tell us about it. Yeah, Schumer was asked a pretty natural follow-up question by Manu Raju of CNN.

You keep talking about Trump's polls, but our poll says you're 17 percent, and Schumer's answer was, polls come and go. But that, he is part of this conversation, too. When you're talking about AOC, if she's not running for president, if she is running for something else, it would be Schumer's seat. And a lot of AOC's popularity still comes from the fact that she was a young entrepreneurial candidate who challenged a party leader and won. And there is not even a a partisan valence to that.

The story of the left versus the center of the Democratic Party has almost been lost in the story of how AOC came up. The same thing for Bernie Sanders. Sanders is more popular than Chuck Schumer or most other people in the Democratic Party. And it's not because voters are going through all of his policies and making sure they align with them. It is this idea that they are not for the people who run the government all the time, the permanent government.

A very powerful narrative that Trump is not really upsetting. There are people who are making quite a lot of money by backing Trump. But the idea out there remains that there is a ossified government that doesn't work very well, big donors own it, and anyone who wants to smash that is okay with me. And AOC passes some of that test for people rhetorically. Sanders does. Trump, to an extent, still does. And Chuck Schumer does not.

And Chuck Schumer's appeals are towards stopping what Trump is doing and getting back to the government as we had it in January 19th, 2025. That's not as compelling. And Democrats have found that is still not a compelling offer to people. The Democrats who've been on the trail like J.B. Pritzker, actually, they're not trail yet. Democrats who might run for president, who have been more successful so far, are implying that the government will change if they get elected, too.

Democrat leadership is not. It is very backward-looking. Not very far backward-looking for months, but backward looking. Yeah, you know, and we talk about this all the time, Willie, Americans just aren't as ideological as people in Georgetown and Manhattan think they are. You have, again, the same people that voted for Bernie Sanders in a primary in 2016, flipped over voted for Donald Trump. We talk about it all the time. People who voted for Bobby Kennedy

after he was assassinated. A lot of them jumped over and started voting for George Wallace. They want fighters. They want people who believe they're on their side. Right now, there are a lot of people who look at Bernie and AOC, and they're not sitting there saying

what people in Manhattan and Georgetown are saying or on Fox News or MSNBC. Oh, they're leftists. They're this, they're that. No, it's like they'll fight for us. They're going to shake up the system. And it's usually not even about policy. It's stylistic. It's are you fighting for us? Because that's been part of the frustration in these first couple of months of the second Trump administration. Democrats who can't believe Donald Trump is back in the Oval Office say,

what are we going to do about it? Who's going to stand up and push back on the public stage? And AOC and Bernie Sanders have been doing it. So there's one model right there. There's also the efforts, the things that Hakeem Jeffries and Cory Booker are trying. And you know what? You can't criticize people for trying different ways to break through. And we need more of that. Not just Bernie and AOC, although that's a model model I think the campaign starts today and they should be looking every

day for ways to break through make news and get their message across and sometimes it won't work and sometimes it will that's the that's the time we're in right now they've got to get out there and it can't just be two people yeah you know and Alex and we got to go just one final point rev and. Yeah, you know, and Alex, we got to go. Just one final point, Rev. And I know you know it. I know I saw it when I campaigned. This isn't all about where do they stand on Medicare Part B? I always knew within five seconds of walking into a room, whether I had the crowd or not.

I always know and and there have been times where Mika and I walked into a room and she said Joe, Doc. Right? This is gonna be a rough night. You just survived. She just looked around and surveilled the crowd. But there are other times where I would walk in on a debate with an opponent and I'd walk in and five seconds later I'd be like, oh man, I can tell Red Sox stories or Alabama stories. I got this. And I know you know that too. And that's the thing about politicians. They walk into a room, some people got it, some people don't. And when you walk into

that room, they aren't going, oh, he's wrong on this ideological issue. It's like, look at him. He's's going to fight for us and look at her she's pissed off. She's going to fight for that. I remember you know I told people that had a lot of good mentors and civil rights but the best advice I had came from James Brown the godfather so was like a dad and he said Reverend people can feel you before they hear you and they know so and whether you connect with them.

Don't ever lose your feeling. Because we were riding around in Georgia one night, and he was playing all this jazz. And I said, Mr. Brown, you play jazz? He says, Reverend, I love jazz, but people like me to do get on the good foot. You got to do what people understand and feel from you. And that's what I think a lot of Democrats,

they're too smart to get a feeling of feeling people. You can't be that smart. Politics reporter for Semaphore, Dave Weigel. Thank you so much. Thank you, Dave. And still out on Morning Joe, the Trump administration is trying to persuade unauthorized immigrants to self-deport.

We're going to dig into the new plan that offers a financial incentive. Plus, amid those deportation efforts, our next guest is asking the question, how much due process is actually due? This is an important conversation. MSNBC legal analyst, Danny Savalos, joins us. With more on that, we're back in 90 seconds.

All right, 31 past the hour. Time now for a look at some of the other stories making headlines. This morning Russia says Ukraine has launched an overnight drone attack targeting Moscow for the second night in a row. Several airports imposed flight restrictions as air defenses were deployed around the capital, falling debris damaged several buildings. The attacks come just days before Russia's annual Victory Day Parade, which President Putin is expected to attend. Jury selection is now underway in the Sean Diddy Combs sex trafficking trial. The trial began yesterday morning with Combs appearing in court. The music mogul has pleaded not guilty to all five criminal counts.

He faces 15 years to life in prison if convicted. Opening statements are scheduled to begin next Monday. And the once popular video calling service known as Skype has shut down yesterday after more than 20 years. Founded in 2003, Skype was the first to allow free voice and video calls over the internet for a mass audience. Parent company Microsoft announced the closure plan in February and encouraged users to migrate over to its Teams app instead Microsoft acquired Skype in 2011 for 8.5 billion dollars I have trouble with Teams

I'm not a space age whiz kid so easy Teams can't get into it You can't do Teams? Are you not a team player? Well no I'm a team player I just can't do it Can't get on to Teams Anybody have any do teams? I can't do teams. Are you not a team player? Well, no, I'm a team player. I just can't do it. Can't get onto teams.

Anybody have any problem with that? Any problem with teams, John? Can you guys get on teams with me? I mean, I don't know. So this is me. Okay, well, we're doing... Isn't it the same kind of? Zoom?

Just click the button and then people come in. I will tell you, the first couple of times I had a hard time. It was a hard time. Okay, so while we're talking about it being technically deficient yeah, I want to ask another question what happened to pay phones with one what happened to pay phones and to win in Syria get so bad. Oh yes, Syria Syria has gotten serious. So yeah, it's the worst and I would say something else that's happened in the latest generation of the Apple

phones also you go in because I do a lot of my work on my phone I you know with the time is terrible that time but that but the typing will be terrible you go herbal and I'll go in and I'll want to put one letter in a way you can't and it highlights the entire thing and you're not there like that I'm telling you Apple technology on on typing messages on Siri. I mean in this age of AI where everything is going forward Apple is it's seriously it's gone back ten years it's horrific.

And then it records like an entire conversation onto a text. When you don't want it to do that. And it gets that right. But anyway is this just me? No I've never you know you got the thumbs. I've never like typing on an iPhone. No. It's so frustrating. You gotta get the pad that connects to it, then you can carry that around with you. Bring back the Blackberry, some tactile.

Let me tell you something. Back time. What I would do. Push a button. What I would do, Lemire, to have a Blackberry. You know, we always assume that when we move forward, that the next level of technology is better than the last level of technology I will tell you for working. Nothing's as good as the blackberry that's right, it's tactile

but also you're also you can type faster you could get things done to get this grew up this way I'm telling you that I'm telling Apple apples Siri just keeps getting worse And I have no idea why because you would think again as everything else moves forward Apple would be moving forward with it But the editing also just God awful I could type better on the blackberry had in 2008 right the iPhone I have now no question there I mean the iPhones are they're incredible devices and their computers the video all that stuff works Great the bells and whistles, but the some of the day-to-day functionality is not as good

I agree with you it the typing in particular like also the word you maybe you misspell something Not like you not put the letter back in but it's only prompts you with words It's aren't even real work. I was talking to Monica last night about this and he said where's the Gutenberg press when I had that? Where's that gore in his blackberry? Yes, exactly. He's still using one. One last thing on Apple. That aspect of it is furiating. You want to put exhaust. You're talking about a car. An exhaustion all of a sudden. Yeah. Well and then again that's step one, step two. You go back and I'm dead serious. You go back and you try the correct exhaustion back to exhaust and again,

you press the H and it will highlight like 12 paragraphs. Okay, and the worst thing is that they are ripping off everyday Americans on chargers like there is no tomorrow. I mean, they're so expensive, then you have to change the charger if you upgrade your... No. You know you're doing it. Like stop ripping people off. They could be less than half the price. Can we just have a public service message to the audience? And this is, we realize that what we're talking about has nothing to do with the strife of your daily life. I guarantee there are a lot of people that are... again, if you're gonna say you have the technology, make sure the technology works at the time. Correct.

And charge a little less. Coming up, a high stakes meeting at the White House today could set the tone for the future relationship between Canada and the United States. We'll talk about what to expect when Prime Minister Mark Carney meets with President Trump today. Morning Joe is back in a moment. And what we've done for you know the numbers but we've because we're taking them out by the thousands we're being obstructed. It's very unfair what's happening because the court system is being it's very unfair.

So we're getting them out. It's a very difficult thing with the courts because the courts have all of a sudden out of nowhere they said maybe you have to have trials, trials. We're gonna have 5 million trials? Doesn't work, doesn't work. You wouldn't have a country left. But hopefully the Supreme Court will save it. But what they've done is a very, very serious thing.

President Trump at the White House yesterday complaining the courts are preventing his administration's deportation efforts. Meanwhile, the Department of Homeland Security says it will pay immigrants $1,000 and facilitate travel assistance back to their home country if they use the CBP Home app to voluntarily leave the United States. The agency says the money will be paid after their return has been confirmed through the app, but DHS did not respond to questions about how the funds would be provided or what

proof would be required to show that the person had returned to their home country. This sounds like a James Brown problem. I will play, like as you said, but pay me first. So yeah, they're going gonna get down to Honduras and then the money's not gonna come. Pay me in advance in cash. Yeah, no, I think though, I mean, Jonathan Elmire, we've talked about it for a very long time

and we're gonna get more into this story. Yeah. But we've talked about this since the election, all of us have. They talk about deporting millions and millions of people, they're not gonna be able to do that. First of all, one of the reasons President Obama was able to do it is because there were a lot of illegal immigrants down by the border. And so he could move them

across. With Joe Biden, you had five million illegal immigrants come in very quickly. They were also able, when they finally awakened to the fact, do that. I mean, the border is kind of quiet right now. They're not going to get you know millions of illegal immigrants deported. They're just not. So they've gone from during the campaign promising a bloody mass deportation and now saying we'll give you a thousand bucks. Yeah I mean the border has been quiet. Which by the way economically makes the most sense. Sure I mean the border's been quiet even during the final months of the Biden administration after they did start cracking down because for a long time by their own admission they

were slow to act there. And it has even gotten quieter since Donald Trump took office in part because of their deal. They did sort of install a culture of fear as immigrants didn't want to try to risk it there. They're not going to hit their numbers not only because they just simply aren't the immigrants they can deport in a logistical fashion, but it's too expensive. We talked about this during the transition.

What they thought they were going to do, the plans they were unveiling, it just wasn't going to happen. Remember the thoughts of migrant camps being built near major cities across the country? None of that has occurred. We had a few high-profile ICE raids in that first week or two. That was about it. There was an attempt of shock and awe. That was the first play.

And as we've been talking about at Great Lakes yesterday, the El Salvador prison is the next play in terms of trying to create this idea and not to belittle the plights of the people who are actually there, but to create this idea, there's this widespread deportation effort. They simply haven't been able to do it. Now they're turning to this cash payment. Yeah. All right, let's bring in MSNBC

and NBC News legal analyst, Danny Civalves. And Danny, as the debate on due process continues to grow, you explored how much due process is actually due in your new piece on Substack. Tell us about it. Here's the thing. The Supreme Court not too long ago said that these

detainees are entitled to due process and ever since then I feel like everyone's been waving due process around like it's some magic talisman. It's a big hearing. And it's going to guarantee someone a full-blown trial at a court-appointed defense team and that simply may not be the case. It requires notice and an opportunity to challenge, but even that doesn't give us a lot more information about what exactly due process means in this context. Notice, by the way, the government is saying, hey, well, we define notice as 24 hours is more than enough notice,

and they point to another section of the immigration law that says that in cases of expedited removal, people can be removed without a hearing within 24 hours or maybe even seven days. And now this is for people that have been here for two years or less, right? Two years or less and they either didn't have sufficient documentation or they had fraudulent documentation. But you're right, it applies to a different class of people. If they're here illegally illegally two years or less, and we want to, we all talked

yesterday, Rev was talking about how he and ACLU's other civil rights leaders were going in during the Obama administration complaining that they were removing people who had been here two years or less in an expeditious manner and didn't get this massive judicial review and hearings that Barack Obama, again, accused of being the deporter in chief, explain to us how when he was doing it, and in 2012, the ACLU says he deported over 300,000 migrants

without any real judicial review, how is that not a violation of the Fifth Amendment, but suddenly it's a violation of the Fifth Amendment if the Trump administration does it? Well, the short answer, back then we're talking about immigration law. The Alien Enemy Act is actually not part of immigration law. So we have three things. And as we said, excuse me for interrupting, but we have the Alien and the Alien Enemy Act, which the South Texas judges said is illegal.

We have what's happened in Venezuela, but then we have general deportation. That's what I'm talking about right here. So federal law allows for even broader and speedy removal than has been used in the past. And expedited removal, as you talked about, allows for summary removal. That means no entitlement even to a hearing, possibly within 24 hours. It hasn't been used as broadly as, say, the Trump administration might want to use it, but under the statute, it is permissible to remove aliens who arrive at the border and even those who have been here for two years, although that two-year provision you talked about is the lesser used in practice.

But just because it isn't used very often doesn't mean it's a part, it's not a part of federal law that can be used. And it will be used because it's permitted under federal law. The Congress in its infinite wisdom decided that aliens who arrive at the border and they define people who arrive at the border as people who have even been here two years if they have fraudulent documents if they don't have sufficient documents they can be removed in an expedited fashion unless they seek Asylum so you don't run into those due process concerns at least Presumably because that statute as it exists today is still valid now

That's not what's at stake with the Venezuelans and the Alien Enemies Act, but the government's argument is that, hey, court, listen, you're telling us we need to provide notice. Well, take a look at this federal law. It says that we don't even need to have a hearing. It can happen within 24 hours. So if that's good enough for people who arrive here who are aliens, it's certainly okay for people that the president has deemed to be alien enemies. And of course, that's been the problem. A lot of the problems with the court is they didn't just go the way Barack Obama did.

They did Alien Enemies Act. They went back a couple hundred years for an act that doesn't even apply now because we're not at war with Venezuela, first of all. And then secondly, again, it's one thing to deport somebody back to their home in Honduras. It's quite another to send them to the most heinous prison in El Salvador. And the president has said again and again in the last couple of days, well, what are we going to do? Have 20 million trials, Danny, for these illegal immigrants?

The point you're making is there won't be trials in the sense that we view criminal defense trials. You're going to get the OJ trial 20 million times over if he tries to deport people. So let's take Abrego García, for example. If García comes back to the United States and stands trial or has a hearing, what does that look like as an example of what others might face? Yeah, García is a little different. He wasn't removed under the Alien Enemy Act because he's not a Venezuelan.

And so that whole argument about Venezuela being the enemy or Tren de Aragua being the enemy doesn't apply. But you're absolutely right. If he comes back, what due process is he even entitled to? Well, probably the government will go back to the immigration court and challenge or reopen his case because remember, the only thing that kept him here was a withholding of removal order from I believe 2019 so they can go back to that court try to reopen that case and say hey since then he's done some bad things now factually you can argue hey no he

didn't do any of these bad things but daddy's fine but even that's just limited to don't send him back to El Salvador they could deport him to Honduras. Exactly. You make a really good point, which is, again, everyone's saying, hey, bring him back, give him due process. But that due process may mean he can go to any of the other, what, 200 or so countries? Right. Other than El Salvador.

And that's why I'm cautioning folks. This whole idea of due process, everyone's saying it, well, this is what they're entitled to the Supreme Court said. But as a criminal defense attorney, I can tell you the due process sometimes feels a little hollow. Going to your point about habeas, I file habeas petitions all the time. It's a slightly different statute

because I'm usually dealing with criminal defendants. These are detainees. But the vast majority of habeas petitions are denied without even an evidentiary hearing. In fact, rare is the case where you get an evidentiary hearing. For criminal defense attorneys, any of you watching now, you're thinking, oh my gosh, I got a hearing on my habeas petition because most of the time they get tossed. And it makes sense because anyone who knows prisoners or the way they litigate, they file

a lot of habeas petitions. And your point is spot on. If there was a hearing for every habeas petition, the courts would shut down. Alright, MSNBC and NBC. Wait, we have to ask him one final question. Okay. iPhone or Blackberry? iPhone or Blackberry? Easy. Blackberry. Bring it back. Look, I want the Atari back. I want Colecovision back. I like old school. I want VHS. I want Pong. You're gonna say Atari. I want want to. I'm a man professional that I want. Yeah, this Pacman Pacman that's you know that

seems now the first person shooter. I want to gobble up ghosts. The blackberry that you can fly with that. It's a 200 words a minute. Pardon I go to a door to 200 300 words a minute absolutely yeah, I mean piano keys should be that small. So we could, I would be virtuoso. Same here. Activision, you remember Activision?

Of course. Still stuck on Atari. All right. MSNBC and NBC News legal analyst Danny Sabalos, thank you so much. Blackberry expert too. Thank you.