Morning Joe - Morning Joe 6/24/24

Episode Date: June 24, 2024

The Morning Joe panel discusses the latest in U.S. and world news, politics, sports and culture

You know what the green news scam is? No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on and they have restrictors in there? You want to wash your hair? Well, you want to wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip. The soap, you can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer.

You try it. The worst is your hair. I have this beautiful, luxuriant hair. And I put stuff on. And I put it in. Lather. I like lots of lather. Because I like it to come out extremely dry.

Because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up. And then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drips. And you say, I'm going to be here for 45 minutes. They put restrictors. And they put them on in places like here where there's so much water you don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It

rains a lot in certain places. But no, their idea, you know, did you see the other day? I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they closed it. Washing machines to wash your dishes. There's a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. And I was with. And you were just listening to former President Trump. And we're going to talk about some of the things he was discussing there.

They had to cut away from the washing machine. What do you talk about with that? Like, what's the analysis of drip, drip, drip green hair? Fox News cut away from Donald Trump's speech rally in Philadelphia on Saturday as he droned on about low water pressures in homes. Washing machines. Washing his hair, how he likes a lot of lather. Imagine if Joe Biden did this, by the way, it would be 24 hour coverage of Joe Biden losing it. But this they just go to break. We'll show you more of Donald Trump's comments at two events over the weekend. It comes as we are just days away from the first meeting between Trump and President Biden in more than three and a half years.

We'll have the latest on debate preps and strategies for both sides. Also, today is two years since the Supreme Court's decision on Dobbs ending federal protections for abortion care. To mark this day, I spoke exclusively with Vice President Kamala Harris and abortion rights advocate Hadley Duvall, whose emotional, deeply personal story helped Democratic Governor Andy Beshear win reelection in deep red Kentucky last year. We'll bring you more on that conversation just ahead. Exclusive right here on Morning Joe. Good morning and welcome. It's Monday, June 24th. With us, we have the host of Way Too Early, White House Bureau Chief at Politico,

Jonathan Lemire, the president of the National Action Network and host of MSNBC's Politics Nation. Reverend Al Sharpton joins us, U.S. special correspondent for BBC News, Katty Kaye, and NBC News National Affairs Analyst John Howman. He is a partner and chief political columnist at Puck. And it's good to have you all with us. What a lineup. I know. Happy Monday. Red Sox lineup right now. So, John Heilman, you can read in the papers this weekend and this morning that the Trump people have belatedly figured out that lying about Joe Biden's incoherence and doctoring tapes to suggest he's not was a bad idea. And now they're trying to, like, reverse track and say, oh, no, he's a good debater. And maybe he's going to take drugs and he should be drug tested because he's going to end up doing so. I'm not going to do that here.

Donald Trump, when you look at any of his speeches front to back, looks like he's off his rocker. It's it's crazy the things he says. It's crazy what people stand there and applaud for here. They just look thoroughly confused. And Fox News had to cut away because they're like, I got nothing here. I got nothing. Yeah, what do you do with that? When Fox News thinks there's too much lather going on over with Donald Trump, and there's so, it's like too much lather.

He likes to lather, a lot of lather. That's how you know that he's jumped. You mentioned sharks there joe i think i heard you i don't think he talked about sharks in this event but he has metaphorically jumped the shark and i think that's right i i wouldn't you know i wouldn't make any uh any long-range bets on uh the fact that they've given up the trump campaign has given up doctoring video uh or uh other kinds of uh cheap fake deep fake misinformation disinformation i think we're going to see a whole lot of that going forward but we do seem to be in this moment uh with the debate

uh this close at hand i do think that they're uh look i mean i i think trump is a feral and i think he probably personally uh thinks he is gonna go to this debate on Thursday and get the better of President Biden. I do think that there are people in Trump's orbit who recognize that trying to compare the two of them on like who seems more coherent, who seems more presidential, who seem that that's a kind of compare contrast that doesn't necessarily cleanly work to Donald Trump's advantage. They do seem to be kind of letting off the gas on that, at least this week, at least as we head into this week. There's a little bit of a sense that maybe I want to lay off that comparison. Requiring a drug test is kind of a low bar. Okay. Former President Trump spoke at two events on Saturday, a Christian conference in Washington and then a rally in Philadelphia. And here are some of his more notable remarks. The whole thing was they wanted the Roe v. Wade was federal, and they wanted it all back in the states where the people could vote and make their decisions.

It's now up to the will of the people in each state. Some states will be more conservative. Other states will be more liberal. It's happening now. You see, the votes are all taking place. And it's the way every legal scholar and just about all the Democrats and all the Republicans and conservatives and liberals, they all wanted it that way. And we did something that was amazing. Christians go to church, but they don't vote that much. Do you know the power you have if you would vote? It wouldn't even be...

So you got to get out and vote just this time. I don't care. In four years, you don't have to vote, okay? In four years, don't vote. I don't care. But we'll have it all straightened out. My stupid people, when I wanted to refute it, they said, sir, don't dignify it with a...

...re-fuddle. Re-fuddle or a re-fuddle. What the hell word would that be? Re-fuddle? They'll say, he didn't know. Re-fuddle or re-fuddle. But they don't know either. We have to get out there.

We have to vote. We have to make sure everything's honest. And you keep your eyes open. You know, you're the police in a way. You can police your vote. A lot of make sure everything's honest and you keep your eyes open. You know, you're the police in a way. You can be you. You can police your vote. A lot of people don't know that. Just make sure that vote counts. We have to make sure it counts. I told Dana White of UFC, I said, here's what we're going to do. You know, these are tough cookies coming into our country, coming with prisons and mental institutions. I said, Dana, Dana, I have an idea for you to make a lot of money. You're going to go and start a new migrant fight league.

Migrants, only migrants. And then at the end of the year, the champion migrant is going to fight your champion. And I hate to tell you, Dana, I think the migrant might win. That's how tough they are. We saved the world from those forts. And now they decide to take the names off. And wait till you see ultimately what happens with those names. They did. I call it a transition, like transitioning.

They have a transition name before they name it. The Reverend Al Sharpton Fort. Fort Al Sharpton. Now, you can just imagine. You can just imagine. But this is a transition. They've done a couple of transitions. These people are sick.

Sick? They're sick. No, they don't like losers. They don't like losers, Donald. I know you like losers. You like losing. You've lost seven years in a row. I don't know if you know, but because of you, your party lost in 2017, your party lost in 2018. Your party lost in 2019. Your party lost in 2020. Your party lost in 2021. Your party lost in 2022. Your party lost in 2023. If the past is prologue, your party is going to lose in 2024.

So, yeah, there are a lot of people in the South, Southerners like myself. We don't really like naming forts after losers. That's not transitioning. That's like we want to name forts after American patriots who win wars. Donald, maybe you should see the beginning of Patton where George C. Scott stands in front of an American flag and says Americans don't want and won't abide losers. They want winners. And so, yeah, we don't want some loser who tried to overthrow the federal government so slavery could continue another hundred years or so. We like winners. I say that as a southerner. OK, little worried about Alabama Crimson Tide. I mean, is the war going to be as good as Saban? I don't know. But if he's not, they're firing. Because that's how we think in the South.

That's how we think in America. So, yeah, you want to name forts after losers? After Confederate soldiers? Confederate generals that rebelled against the United States of America. That's you. Reverend, I'll take a Fort Sharpton. It sounds nice. It sounds nice about an America, about a military moving toward a more perfect union and not stuck in its slave holding past. Like poor Donald there wants us to be stuck

in the mid 1800s. Well, I think that one of the things that comes to mind is, of course, you know, he's playing to a crowd that clearly is against some of the things that I've represented, civil rights and other things. But the fact of the matter is he's also revealing himself. Most military bases are named after people who served in the military. And the one thing that he and I have in common is neither one of us served in the military. So you would think after being president for years, he would know by now what military bases of four. But he also showing to say that we should not take military generals or military people off of naming our military bases, as you've just talked about, Joe. It shows how he embraces Confederates being preserved as something that taxpayers of all races are paying for.

Let's remember when we had the marches of blacks and Jews together in Charlottesville for the removal of Robert E. Lee, the Confederate general statue. And people were killed. One lady was killed. It was Trump that said there were fine people on both sides. So he reminds us of his embrace of that. And to take it a step further in the in the in the collage of quotes you showed or statements he made over the weekend. He now is openly saying that women's rights ought to be done by states rights. The whole civil rights movement was to get away from states rights and have the federal government protect our civil rights. The whole civil rights movement was to get away from states' rights and have the federal government protect our civil rights. Now he's saying women's rights should be dealt with state by state, which was exactly the template of segregation and something the civil rights movement and now the women's rights movement must fight against. So Thursday night's debate looms as an undeniably important moment in this campaign. President Biden is preparing by being at Camp David with some of his most trusted advisors going

through rigorous debate prep and rehearsals. He'll be there until Thursday morning, debate day. We just saw, Caddy, what Donald Trump, how he's preparing. He's at these rallies, he's incoherent remarks, and as noted in one of those clips, even proposing a UFC style fighting championship among migrants. He said it at both that rally in Philadelphia as well as at a Christian conference. And at that conference as well, he got cheers. He got laughter. This is where his audience is. That's what he thinks works.

But do we really think that kind of stuff's going to play Thursday night when he's actually trying to win over some undecided voters? Yeah. And then, of course, his campaign comes back and says, actually, that was just a joke, of course. And the libs can't take a joke. And they think we're talking about some kind of, you know, human cockfighting thing. And actually, this is the proud martial arts that they're going to be involved in. It is a it's a dog whistle, again, about migrants. And that's a large part of his campaign is the kind of nativism around migrants. But he's been telling us it was interesting at one of the rallies over the weekend when he's kind of polling the crowd. This remember, this is his debate prep, but he's polling the crowd about how he should actually perform and saying, you know,

should I really go after him, attack him or should I just be quiet and meek? And of course, you know, one gets cheers and one gets boos. There's one thing that I am hearing from the Trump campaign is that, and, you know, you talk to both campaigns, I'm sure you do too, John, and they both sound very confident about Thursday night. But one of the things that they have said is that they think actually paradoxically that this format helps Donald Trump because having his mic killed for that time, it was back in 2020. I still have kind of PTSD from that 2021 debate, which was such a, I'm not even going to use the word, it wasn't a debate, it was a nightmare. And they think that the fact that he's going to be muted means that actually it'll help him not come across

as being so bullying, so crazy seeming, so extreme. And so they're pretty confident that this is a format that works for them. Let's wait until we see Thursday night. And, you know, Reverend Elliot, it's so fascinating. As Jonathan Muir brought up, Donald Trump was speaking to a group, I guess, Christian nationalists. They call themselves Christians. Maybe they are Christian nationalists, people who, you know, were all about politics and not about faith, because Donald Trump talked about a fight club for migrants, a fight club for the very people Jesus talked about in Matthew 25, the poor, the hungry. I mean,

you look at the story of the Good Samaritan, there's not an overlay there, really, with that. Well, I just I would never have heard this in any church growing up. You would have never heard this in any church growing up. And and yet Donald Trump goes into this so-called Christian conference talking about a fight club for migrants. And they're laughing and they're cheering about as far away from the story of the Good Samaritan, about as far away from what Jesus says in Matthew 25. I think it's 31 through 46 versus 31 to 46. Nothing's further apart than what Jesus said and what Donald Trump saying. And of course, that just doesn't matter to them. No, you have the scripture right, Matthew. But the other thing that was so callous about it is he said he called to tell the UFC they should make money using these migrants to fight each other, make the money.

And then he wants to deport them. I mean, if that's not exploiting people that is seeking a better life in their weakest hour, this is his proposition. Let's use them. Let's fight each other. The winner can fight our champion. But these are tough guys all for exploiting, making money. He said that he said to her, you can make a lot of money off of this, like you can make money off these people. At the same time, he tells the Christian crowd, you Christians don't vote enough, which is absurd on its face, but is now tantamount to voting is that you must vote for him to confirm your Christianity. It should have been insulting. Again, if Joe Biden said this to any audience, dot, dot, dot, you know how it goes. Former adviser to George W. Bush, Republican Karl Rove, is saying Trump's current slump in the polls may not just be part like a blip, but part of a longer trend. On Fox News on Saturday, Rove broke down why he thinks this is the case.

There's been a trend since the May 30th guilty verdict in the New York case. So Biden has had numbers that have been moving up a little bit under women and seniors. He's still underperforming among women. Trump is doing well among black, Hispanic and young compared to previous Republican campaigns and his own. But you're right. Absolutely, the movement is among independents, and they have moved in recent polls roughly nine points towards Biden. 21% of independents in a survey shortly after the conviction said that they would be less likely to vote for Donald Trump as a result of the conviction.

Now, I mean, you know, John Heilman, again, in close elections where Michigan, where Wisconsin, where Pennsylvania is going to be decided probably by under a point, that sort of fluctuation voting matters. The one thing Karl Rove did not bring up that Donald Trump will tell you is he has the Joan Rivers vote locked away, just like he has in the past. So that he's at least got that on the side. But independents have broken away. And again, we hear it every four years. Donald Trump's going to get 20 percent of the black vote, 25 percent of the black vote. It just doesn't happen. Well, as I will, you know, begin by singing my usual song here, margin of error race is going to be really close, going to be a margin of error

race all the way through to Election Day. And we're still in the margin of error. But in the same way that we talk about how like any individual poll doesn't matter very much, but trend lines matter. You know, I sat down with with Jenna Malley Dillon last week and talked about the numbers. And you look at the fact that Trump's basically this year calendar year, Trump's peak lead in the polling averages was at its peak in January after the report came out about four points last week. Again, within the way inside the margin of error for the first time all year, the 538 polling average, Biden moved ahead by a trivial number, but it's a four point over the course. It's not just the last month, I would say. I mean, Karl Rove knows these numbers, but it's not just the last month. It's a six month,

very gradual trend line that's heading in Joe Biden's direction. And Joe, to your point, closing a four point gap over six months in a race that's a margin of error race is is is is meaningful. And I asked Jenna O'Malley Dillon about whether they're seeing those same numbers, not just on the national level, but in the battleground states and whether the verdict seems to be playing a part in it. Her answer was yes, that they're in the battlegrounds they're paying attention to. They're seeing, again, on the margins, small, but meaningful, appreciable, measurable, inching towards Joe Biden in a consistent way across the trend lines and that the verdict seems to have made a difference to that. Again, we're so far inside the margin of error that you couldn't be more inside it. But it's meaningful, I think. And I think it's what Carl is picking up on there in that clip. And I think that both sides know it. And it's another

reason that explains part of why the pressure on Trump is mounting around this debate as much as it is on Biden. Pressure is high on both of them. But I think the Trump campaign sees the movements in these numbers because they are not dumb about reading polls either. Yeah, no question trend lines moving towards Biden right now, even if just in a small way. And to John's point, it's a margin of error race, which is why the role of third party candidates are going to play such a big key factor here. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. did not qualify for this Thursday's debate. It'll just be Trump and Biden. But he still looms large. And it's also why we heard over the weekend Trump actively talking about Jill Stein, Cornel West, saying he likes them. Stay in the race. Stay in the race.

Support them. Because he knows even just drawing a sliver from the Biden electorate could be the difference in a race this tight, you guys. So, Jonathan, has he figured out whether he likes RFK Jr. or not? Because the last time he was attacking him because some polls were showing RFK might take more from Trump than Biden. He's doing this weird dance. And his advisors are still trying to figure this out as to how to handle this. On one hand, he's very critical of RFK Jr. And then he sort of compliments him. He even put out a video

when RFK Jr. did not qualify for the debate, sort of being sympathetic towards Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I think the Trump team recognizes that RFK draws from both men, maybe a little bit more from Trump. But Trump at the same time is anxious about alienating the RFK Jr. voters. Because I think if he goes after RFK Jr. too hard, he may turn off some of these anti-vax types who he thinks he can win otherwise. So that's what I've been told is that they're trying to navigate this where they're being critical, but don't want to overdo it, at least for now. But it's a storyline to watch. Sounds a little complicated. I think it's whatever which way the wind is blowing headline wise. Still ahead on Morning Joe. Today marks two years

since the Dobbs ruling from the Supreme Court overturning Roe. We're going to play for you President Biden's new comments marking this day, plus my exclusive conversation with Vice President Kamala Harris, who has been a leading voice for the administration on this issue and a special guest. You're watching Morning Joe. We're back in 90 seconds. Here's what Donald Trump says about your freedom. After 50 years of failure, with nobody coming even close, I was able to kill Roe v. Wade. Two years ago, the Supreme Court justices that Trump handpicked helped overturn Roe v. Wade. Never before has the court granted and then taken away a widely recognized constitutional right.

New laws banning abortion are taking effect. Decades of progress shattered just because the last guy got four years in the White House. We know what will happen if he gets another floor. A MAGA Republican's row is just the beginning. They're going to try to ban the right to choose nationwide. They're coming for IVF and birth control next. What if we get extremism? Send me back to the White House and I'll fight like Calvary store Roe v. Wade and protect American freedom. That was an exclusive first look at the Biden campaign's new message on the two-year anniversary of the fall of Roe. To mark this day, I sat down for an exclusive interview with Vice President Kamala Harris, who has been the administration's leading voice on this issue, as well as a young woman by the name of Hadley Duvall. Hadley, as you may recall,

was the subject of a powerful campaign ad last year from Kentucky's Democratic Governor Andy Beshear, featuring her story as a sexual abuse survivor. I was raped by my stepfather after years of sexual abuse. I was 12. Anyone who believes there should be no exceptions for rape and incest could never understand what it's like to stand in my shoes. This is to you, Daniel Cameron. To tell a 12-year-old girl she must have the baby of her stepfather who raped her is unthinkable. I'm speaking out because women and girls need to have options. Daniel Cameron would give us none. So that ad is credited with playing a role in Governor Beshear winning reelection in one of

the most conservative states in the country. Now, Hadley is speaking out on behalf of the Biden campaign in defense of abortion rights. And here is our discussion. This is your first national media interview. And given what's at stake today, can you tell people what you want them to take away from to know about your personal and deeply painful story and why it's so relevant to women today. Women today, if they're walking in the shoes that I was in, which was pregnancy from rape, then, you know, they don't have any option in a lot of states and they're at risk for having no options after the election, you know, and that's, you know, very terrifying and still for, I will forever be

that little girl. And, you know, that's really who I do this for. And knowing that I was in that position and the only thing that allowed me to hold onto hope were the words, you have options. This is the first things I heard after I looked at a positive pregnancy test at 12 years old. Wow. You were abused by your stepfather, correct? Um, it took a while to tell your mom about this. This was your abuser was her husband. Uh, I'm curious how you did it. And I'm thinking this question is for young girls out there who may be in a similar situation. When I was younger, it took, you know, a lot of planning. I would sit and I would say, okay, the next time I will tell, or, you know, if, if this happens, I will tell, or we, you know,

whatever, I would always have a reason, you know, and wait for that push. And then it would come around and I would get scared. My mom is a recovering addict. So when I was young, she went away to inpatient rehab. And I knew what that looked like. And I was finally in a point in my life that I had prayed for. My mom was not using drugs anymore. She was home.

She was sober. And when I threatened to tell, I was told, well, you know, you're, you'll risk your mom's sobriety. So that really stuck with me. And, you know, it always made me just want to keep the peace because it was, you know, my family, the family that I had been hoping for and praying for for so long. But then I was realizing that I didn't have peace and that seemed to be most important. So honestly, just, you know, going into high school and knowing that there were a lot of milestones that not only me, but my sibling was about to, you know, accomplish. And I just didn't feel like we had to live in a secret anymore. So I honestly texted my mom from school and I said, don't let me back out of what I need

to tell you tonight. Um, she started asking me some questions and actually came and picked me up from school. And I told her I couldn't even look at her. And I said, mom, I don't know how to say this to you. I'm just going to blurt it out. And I did. I said, I've been being sexually abused for 10 years. And immediately she was like, okay, we got to figure something out. Like you're going to go stay with a friend, financials, you know, just my mom was in cosmetology school at the time and had no income. And now you're speaking out because a Trump win would mean what for little girls in the situation you were in? It would mean the unimaginable. It would mean that they have no options, not even women and girls, but you know, women with non viable pregnancies, wanted pregnancies that are non viableable that are killing these women. They will know that it will be no traveling to another state. It will be no options based on where you

live. It will just be one rule for everybody. And that will be no abortions. And that is a very, very dangerous world for women, not only young girls, but all women. Madam Vice President, you're here with Hadley in part because she's amazing and also because her story resonates with you deeply. You have been close to similar stories in your own life, may have even set the path of your career. Yeah. Prosecuting sexual violence cases. Can you tell us about that? So Mika, when I was in high school, I learned that my best friend was being molested by her stepfather. And when I learned about it, I said to her, you have to come live with us. I called my mother. My mother said, of course she has to come stay with us. And she did. And so at a young age, I decided I wanted to do the work that was about protecting women

and children. And I became a prosecutor and I specialized in, in particular, child sexual assault. And the fact that after the Dobbs decision came down, that laws have been proposed and passed, that as Hadley has said, make no exceptions even for rape or incest. Think about what these extremists are saying to a survivor of a crime of violence to their body, a survivor of a crime that is a violation of their body. And to say to that survivor, and you have no right or authority to make a decision about what happens to your body next. That's immoral. That's immoral. And, um, and I, again, I, I say all of that to say that Hadley, you you are you are doing such important work to be a voice, because I'll also mention that the majority of these cases don't get reported. You know, in some states they've passed a law that says, well, if if a woman or a girl reports it to the police, then they might be eligible for an abortion. Well, a lot of survivors don't report it to the police because of fear of retribution that they fear will be even worse than what they are enduring.

Had we miscarried, If she had needed care for that today, depending on where you live, you may not get it. It's been two years now since Roe was overturned. And now we're dealing with the raw reality of that, which is women bleeding out in parking lots, on bathroom floors. I'm curious what your thoughts were when Roe was overturned. And now what we do with the cases before us, like Idaho, if if the Supreme Court goes with the state, are women going to be able to get abortion care and ERs in Idaho? Listen, first, they're going to be any other options. First of all, I say say let's really be clear about

how we got here, because the former president hand-selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of Roe v. Wade, and they did exactly as he intended. And in state after state, we are seeing what I call Trump abortion bans, including states that with a six week abortion ban, which tells you that these legislators clearly don't know how a woman's body works or they don't care in that most women don't even know they're pregnant in six weeks. And, and to your point, Mika, you know, there are two, I think, coexisting issues here that are extremely important. One is the notion that the highest court in our land just took a fundamental right that had been recognized from the people of America, from the women of America to make decisions about their own body. The notion of it all, that in

this year of our Lord, 2024, the highest court in the United States of America would take such a fundamental freedom from its people. And understanding that this is not just a matter that is for debate and discussion and intellectual conversation. The real harm that has occurred every day in America since that case was decided and these laws are being passed, to your point, we know the stories about women seeking care because they're going through a miscarriage and being turned away by an emergency room because the physicians there are afraid they're going to be put in jail in a state like Texas. They provide prison for life for a health care provider doing their job.

And I don't think that I think that when you look at this issue, most people agree. You don't have to abandon your faith. You have to abandon your faith or deeply held beliefs to agree. The government should not be telling women what to do with their bodies. If they choose, they will consult with their priest, their pastor, their rabbi, their imam, but not the government telling women what to do. What is at stake in this election? So much, you know, if you have a woman in your life, that means something to you, her life is at stake. It does not matter if she is 12, 9, 34. You know, it really does not matter if there is a woman who is in that reproductive age, then, you know, her life is at stake during this election. And it does not matter if you've never voted Democrat in your life,

you know, it's get off your high horse because women, we don't get to choose, you know, a whole lot and you at least can choose who you can vote for. And there is a lot of things that need to be worked on and, you know, we can't get it all done, but at the very least we could get out of women's business when it involves their healthcare. And I've always said, you know, I'm, I'm pro minding your own business, live your religion, you know, live it, live it loudly, but don't expect your religion to make the laws. And that's, you know, like your religion should be lived through and through whether that's the law or not however you came up however you want to live your religion but it shouldn't be forced on anybody else and

you know it shouldn't your religion shouldn't determine everybody's outcome because i don't believe that my god that i worship and that i've learned about all my life would have ever wished something like that upon me. I mean, it's so powerful. And she is she it's a question that you have to ask when you hear that 10 year old girls who have been raped have to flee the state. And you're sitting there going, wait, you're saying Jesus, that's what Jesus would want. I to say that's open to interpretation is like an understatement. But, you know, your God should not dictate what everybody does. It was powerful. And also, she said she was pro minding your own business. Remember that libertarian voter that we had on the focus group who said he was libertarian. But this was such a frightening step for him because he didn't trust the federal government with his money. If he didn't trust the

federal government with his property, if he didn't trust the federal government with his rights. And what about freedom over health care choices, freedom over his own body, access to health care. I mean, these women are being denied health care. And Hadley is 100 percent correct. What's at stake in this election is women's lives. And we've already seen because of the overturning of Roe case after case after case. And the Biden campaign will be putting a frame around this of women left to bleed out, left on their own, miscarrying on their own, not given abortion care for other reasons that they might have problems because they're being denied because these doctors are afraid of administering the care. They're decimating

women's health care by the overturning of Roe. Expect to hear more from Hadley in the next couple of days. And now, Katty Kay, think about what we played at the top of the show, Donald Trump talking about the overturning of Roe. We did something exciting. Your thoughts? Well, we'll all be better off when Hadley's running for office. It's rare to hear somebody so articulate and calm and reasonable. And if you think what she's gone through in her childhood, so incredibly resilient as well. She really made the case for what we're facing in this election for women, but also for why the polls since the overturning of Roe v. Wade have consistently moved, shown that Americans are moving more in favor of protecting reproductive rights, not less.

And it's exactly her kind of story. I mean, Donald Trump is out on the campaign trail. We know that he has kind of had conflicting moments with the overturning of Roe. He's derided other Republicans for being too tough on this, but he can't have it both ways. He can't claim credit for it and say he's excited that he overturned it with some sort of technicality where we've pushed it back to the states. We see what the chaos is that that has unleashed. We have hospitals in Idaho having to helicopter women out of the state because they can't give them the kind of treatment they need. We have doctors in Texas thinking, well, you know, are her organs

failing enough? Is she infected enough? Is she bleeding enough before we can do that kind of procedure on women? And I think what was remarkable about what Hadley said when you asked her, you know, what this meant was that she immediately turned to the other women. As women so often do, she's a voice for all the women who want to have children. This is not about women, just about women who have pregnancies, often in difficult circumstances, a need to end those pregnancies for whatever reason. This is often about women who want those children, who desperately, who are pro-life, who want to have the life that's in them, but they can't carry them because there's a problem with that fetus. And that's who she's speaking for. And Reverend Al,

Reverend Al, we're going to hear more from the vice president in just a bit, but this is a key role for Vice President Kamala Harris to really be a voice on this issue. As you know, you see the numbers out there, the polls out there show that most Americans support abortion. And yet perhaps the most important role for her will be to highlight these stories. What is happening now because of the fall of the overturning of Roe? What is happening to women now? These specific cases which are utterly frightening. No, I think that it is the role that is the strongest of many other vital roles the vice president plays at this point. And for her to sit there with Hadley and talk about the pain that women have to go through to make these decisions and the pain they go through in this case of being violated by a stepfather. Many of us,

I know in my family, have gone through similar things. It humanizes the issue where it's not just us against them, but you're talking about people's lives and you're talking about real hard decisions. And I think the vice president is the right one to bring that forward. When she talks about she had her best friend in school that went through the same thing, that's a little deeper than playing party politics. Yeah, absolutely. In our next hour, we're going to play for you the vice president's take on who Donald Trump may pick for his running mate this year. Also ahead, we'll show you the moment climate protesters created chaos in the final moments of a golf tournament. Morning Joe is coming right back. Oh, boy. oh boy we got we've got a whole group of protesters here

and they've been tackled on the ground, on the green. Police have responded quickly, but we've got, I see four protesters that have been handcuffed. Poor Scottie Scheffler. I mean, police are always running at him. He's trying to go off, and there are always cops all around this guy. It's a chaotic scene yesterday in Connecticut after six climate protesters swarmed the 18th green in the PGA Tour's Travelers Championship. They came onto the course right as the tournament's leaders were getting ready to finish the final hole of regulations. The protesters left smoke bombs, left red and white residue on the green, wore white T-shirts.

Police say each protester is facing criminal misdemeanor charges and were released after posting $5,000 bond. As for the tournament, Scottie Scheffler once again avoided police officers to go out and play, and Tom Kim also went to a sudden-death playoff hole with Scheffler hitting his approach shot to 11 feet of the hole while Kim found a greenside bunker. Scheffler then two-putted for an easy victory. It's the sixth win of the hole while Kim found a greenside bunker. Scheffler then two-putted for an easy victory.

It's the sixth win of the year, the most in one season on the PGA since Tiger Woods did it back in 2009 in the spring of those that Pavlo Tori finds out on Metal Art Media. ESPN's Pavlo Tori. Pavlo, Scheffler, cops, explain. It doesn't get, it doesn't really, Scotty Scheffler, I want to characterize it this way. Scotty Scheffler was a guy that nobody could recognize facially before he had that interaction with the cops in Louisville, Joe. We talked about this. The cop claimed that he had pants beyond repair, damage beyond repair, $80.

We saw police photos, actually, eventually body cam footage of that. That was Louisville, the PGA. That was the major. It doesn't ever get boring for Scottie Scheffler, it turns out, because this circumstance here, look, I'm not here to tell somebody that if you believe with conviction that the planet is dying and you need to do something about it, that this is not worth it. I get the motive. I just also see this, though, as a sports fan or even a golfer, which I am not. If I'm Scotty Scheffler, I am legitimately concerned that someone is spraying powder around me and running past police officers. It feels menacing in ways that are both maybe

intentional, but also just generally not a great idea, I would say, when it comes to what could have happened here. So, Joe, it's just one of those things where I'm not even sure there's effectiveness here upside, really, for the cause you brought. Even if you believe in it, I think it's gone really, really badly. And it'll result, honestly, in more security protocols, which is bad for everybody who attends sporting events all around America, as you might imagine. Am I just the ignoramus, Joe, or is there some reason why you would go after a golf tournament? Like I said, the climate protesters. Oh, right. Why the golf tournament? Yeah. Because you use a lot of stuff on the grass, and it's very bad for the planet. Maybe they're thinking, I don't know, regardless.

It's definitely not good for the planet. I've That's what, maybe they're just. Maybe they're thinking, I don't know, regardless. It's definitely not good for the planet. I just never really understood things like that really helping with the cause, helping with the undecideds. Yeah, I don't think so in this case. It's also, I mean, we are now, I think, doing a better job of clarifying what their mission was even than they were at the time. So maybe that's part of it also. They blamed the electrical storm for injuring people. I don't know. Look, at some point, I'm just glad that no one got really hurt

because that is always what I think about in a post 9-11 America. Like, I'm just glad no one got seriously hurt. Pants included. Yes. No pants destroyed beyond repair. Okay. So we've got a lot to get through in a little time here. And the first topic grieves me so we can stay on it just a short while. Titanic called the New York Yankees pitching staff. They're going to go. They're ready to go on a cruise in your direction. Go, the Yankees.

What is wrong, Pablo? It's not great. I was hoping we would, like, maybe run out of time before we got to this topic. I'll admit it. The Yankees are hurting. I believe they're 2-8 in their last 10. They just lost to the Braves. Aaron Judge is sort of the only person who is resembling somebody who I can trust anymore. Juan Soto was hurt.

Giancarlo Stanton got hurt. Anthony Rizzo got hurt. And I guess Lemire, I can feel his gaze pointing out that the Red Sox, your Red Sox, Joe, are seven and three in their last 10. So it's brutal. Well, you know, it's very, very interesting. For your boy. Yeah, it's brutal. Eight and two, seven and three, eight and two. I don't know. We lose count, Lemire, don't we?

The Sox, though. It's not great for me. You know, we went in, we split with the worst team in baseball, Jonathan Lemire, with the White Sox. And we thought, okay, well, there goes the season. Then we took two out of three from the Phillies, took two out of three from the Yankees. We swept the Blue Jays. Looked like we were about to get swept by the Reds.

Ho! And then that happened with Dom. And, my God, I just – I really – I don't even know how to describe the people who don't watch him every day. Jaron Duran. I just haven't seen as dynamic of a player as Duran. We're watching right here Saturday's game in the ninth, protecting a one-run lead. Duran taking away a home run, climbing the fence there with a spectacular catch.

He did it with his glove. He did it with his offense. He is a deserving all-star this year. Now, we'll point out the standings. The Red Sox still nine games out. But, Pablo, and I'm going to note Pablo's look today, multiple shirts with collars. Bannon-esque.

How dare you? Steve Bannon-esque here. How dare you? He pulls it off much better than the others. Slanderous. Look at the, there's like a little, like, the buttons. There's not buttons. That's right. There's a little loop. Why is Kylenbull bullying me for my

buttons? Why is this happening? I'm not bullying. I'm just questioning. It's very nautical. It's very, like, French sailor thing. Can I put out the saddest part of this entire thing? Look at the Chiron here. Surging Red Sox cut a single

deal. Hey, we're a wildcard team right now. Boom! That was nine games! The Hey, we're a wild card team right now. Boom. That was nine games. The Yankees are a wild card team. Can I just say this? If the season were to end today, if the season were to end today, despite the fact we spent no money in the offseason, again, we're only trading Barnhill Country Buffet,

all-you-can-eat tickets in Pensacola for our players. We are, if the season were to end today, Lamir, who's going to the playoffs in the wild card? We would be a wild card team. And Pablo, you haven't mentioned, when Boston teams make the playoffs, we've had some success lately, right? You haven't said anything about the Celtics. So we've moved on already? Congratulations. Thank you.

Congratulations to a truly starving for championships, Jonathan Lemire. Why are you sucking up to Lemire? You have to feel so bad for Lemire being from Boston. It's like being from Loserville, USA in Atlanta. They were five-year-olds. Exactly. They were five-year-olds. Let's talk. We've got a couple things to talk about.

We want to get to Caddy's incredible interview of Magic in a second. I love that. But first, we have to talk about it. I told you before, the NBA has been a snooze fest for me over the past couple of decades. This year, so many compelling teams. Yes, you're being radical here, Joe.

I love it. I got hooked. I got hooked. And now, something you haven't heard me say in a long time. I've got to watch that NHL game tonight. Whoa.

Please, for people that don't follow hockey, set this extraordinary series finale up. I'll put it in your guys' lingua franca. The Edmonton Oilers are trying to go 0-4 Red Sox. So the Florida Panthers were up 3-0, 3-0 in the series. And three games in a row now, the Edmonton Oilers have come back to win.

And it's been wildly impressive. Edmonton, if you're not paying attention, has arguably the most skilled player in NHL history, this kid Connor McDavid. We can debate around who else is in that conversation, but he has been fantastic. And the Florida Panthers are currently choking. And so right now, we are looking ahead tonight to a Game 7. And it's not just about the Edmonton Oilers winning. It's about Canada.

So if you've not been paying attention to hockey, Canada's really good at it, but they haven't won the Stanley Cup, Joe, in 31 years. And so Edmonton is not just going to South Florida to try and embarrass the Panthers. They're trying to right what feels like a cosmic wrong. A Canadian team has not lifted Lord Stanley's Cup in over three decades. That may end tonight. It is must-watch television and playoff hockey. If anybody's ever given a second of attention,

is the best version of this thing? It will radicalize you into caring about a sport that maybe you knew nothing about. Yeah. Well, I will tell you, first of all, Canada, you are so right. Canada is going crazy over this series. It's pretty awesome. Tyler O'Neal after Red Sox won yet another game. All he wanted to do was talk about the Stanley Cup playoff

because O'Neal was born in Canada, right? But I will tell you, as far as radicalization of people that don't know much about hockey, Mika. Yes. Florida. I'm telling you, Floridians, especially South Floridians, from Key West all the way up past north of Palm Beach County. Got it.

Crazy about the Panthers. In these playoff games, towns have shut down. Okay. It's really crazy. Or at least the pizza places have shut down. You've got to order four hours in. It's really like the Super Bowl. People are so fired up about it.

Pablo, thank you. Are we going to see him again? Pablo, to stick around, we've got to talk about Caddy's interview with Magic. Oh, yeah. Stay for that. And we're going to see how Lemire tries to loop that back around to Larry Bird and the Celtics. Of course.

Should be interesting.