MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Bellator 291 & UFC Vegas 70 Recap | Fury Def. Paul | Matias Beats Ponce | Ep. 412

Episode Date: February 27, 2023

On Episode 412 of Morning Kombat, Luke and Brian recap Bellator 291 and UFC Vegas 70. Plus, talk insane boxing results from the weekend. At Bellator 291, Yaroslav Amosov defeated Logan Storley to unif...y the Bellator welterweight titles at Bellator 291. Did he prove he's the best welterweight in MMA with his performance? Brendan Allen upset Andre Muniz in the ad hoc UFC Vegas 70. How ready is Allen for the top 10 of 185lbs? Plus, Tommy Fury hands Jake Paul his first loss and Subriel Matias stops Jeremias Ponce on SHOWTIME. (12:45) - Amosov vs. Storley 2 (24:22) - Allen upsets Muniz (31:30) - Tatiana Suarez (43:30) - Paul vs. Fury (68:30) - Matias vs. Ponce (76:00) - Dm's from Donks (96:30) - HYSTS Morning Kombat is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher and wherever else you listen to podcasts.     For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:27 That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell. This is Morning Combat. Hey, it's the Monday. It's the Monday. The Monday. There's only one Monday and it's the Monday. The 27th of February, 2023. And it's time for Morning the 27th of February, 2023, and it's time
Starting point is 00:00:45 for Morning Combat. Hello, everyone. We're going to react to all of the wonderful things in the world of combat sports that happened over the weekend. I am merely one half of your hosting duo. My name is Luke Thomas. I join you from the capital of Estados Unidos right here in Washington, D.C., joined by my filibustering friend.
Starting point is 00:01:04 He just can't stop filibustering. Should be on the Senate floor in my hometown, but he's in his own hometown, which is Connecticut, a place in Connecticut, and it sucks. Because it's Connecticut. Hi, Brian Campbell, how are you? Look, I'm in my home state of New England. Get it right.
Starting point is 00:01:18 Okay, Luke, thank you very much. Great to be back on this Monday morning. Weird weekend of fights, and I know everybody can't wait to show up and hear BC try to work himself out of the corner on scoring that paul fury fight but i re-watched the guys don't worry did you get beat up for it i was wrong it should have been it should actually have been seven rounds to one in favor of jake paul so i got that one wrong i'm sorry i'm sorry folks but uh but uh i don't i don't mean to pull luke thomas here i just don't care.
Starting point is 00:01:45 All right. No, seriously, I rescored it. We'll talk about that. But great to be back. Luke, what'd you say? That Sunday offering was surprisingly not dramatic, but entertaining, compelling to a certain degree. I thought it was all right. Again, it's the same thing I have with Jake Paul in general.
Starting point is 00:02:01 It's like, I'm not even, I'm not saying it's, it's not terrible. It's not dude. But it's, I thought, I thought Arnold Allen had a good tweet about it he was like it's definitely these guys are not so bad you can mock it um because it's not that but they're definitely not so good that it's thrilling and so I think it's somewhere kind of in the middle of that so I'm definitely not going to hate on it but it wasn't like mind-blowing or something it was all right it was all right it was all right for a Sunday anyway. So we'll get to that. We'll talk about UFC as well.
Starting point is 00:02:28 We'll talk about some of the boxing over the weekend. We just mentioned that one, but there's other boxing. And then, of course, there was Bellator, the return of Yaroslav Amisov. We'll get to all of that and more. Thumbs up on the video. Hit subscribe if you are new here. We do it live three times a week, 11 a.m. in the East, in addition to all the weekend's shenanigans.
Starting point is 00:02:43 By the way, this Saturday, we will have a post-fight show to react to UFC 285. And also, BC, speaking of Sundays, yesterday, the pregame preview came out with Chuck Mendenhall for UFC 285. So you can check that out, youtube.com slash morningcombat. We get you set for everything with the return of Jon Jones. And of course, we'll lean into that more as the week develops.
Starting point is 00:03:04 Now, quickly on that pregame preview, Luke, we do great work, the trio of us, so get fired up for this weekend's card. But I did get a lot of people saying, oh, BC, you must have been in the eighth row, brother. You know, wait till you see the pregame preview for UFC 286, Luke, because we filmed those back-to-back, and the tiger thick caught up with us a little bit. So it got a little it got a little uh sweaty sweet nectar there and uh a little loose on the you know
Starting point is 00:03:30 a little loose there so we'll and you can enjoy that in the future thank you yeah although i do think the 285 one came out pretty good i was pretty happy with that one but i mean we got we got chuck who could who is like you remember dude you remember um who was that guy that would sell things all the time and then he died of a heart attack? You know, that guy Billy Mays, dude. Do you remember when he took the flex tape and put it on the bottom of that boat and it didn't leak? That's what Chuck Mendenhall is to morning combat, dude.
Starting point is 00:03:54 He's the parachute. We hit it when we just fall out of the plane and we usually get to the ground okay. Right? Something like that. Something like that, Luke. He's the responsible parent in the house when we when we get together okay uh bc want to remind everyone showtime is the label that pays showtime.com 30-day free trial if you like it you can keep it if not you can bounce
Starting point is 00:04:14 we also have merch morningcombat.store you can get this you can get bc's hat you can get bc's shirt you can get all kinds of fun stuff out there bc i took my daughter to school today yeah i i drop her off in the morning and then my wife picks her up in the afternoon. That's the routine that we have. And not, not even trying to, not even trying to, I happened to realize as I'm walking my daughter to school,
Starting point is 00:04:35 I had a morning combat beanie, a morning combat jacket and a morning combat t-shirt. I felt, I thought a little stupid just sort of repping the brand as uh as uh nakedly as i was but your boy was doing it i love it look i love it okay my shelf is just my clothes it's just it's just mk merch it's crazy did you see did you see that jay paquette made this for me luke and he's currently making a shirt out of your hair at the same time as well right now he's he's weaving it together and uh it's great luke big big fan of
Starting point is 00:05:05 her he's disturbing can we put that he's oh stop that luke it's okay to have really nice people in your life who support what you do you don't have to put them all down okay i'm just not used to it i'm just not used to it it's a foreign it's a foreign feeling uh i mean one one day will i have to to fly out to mount Unike to identify the body? Possibly, Luke. Okay, but until that day happens, let's give the Paquette some respect. All right, so let's also start the show. Right before we hit the top five, we're going to start doing this on Mondays now.
Starting point is 00:05:37 Every Friday, we do a segment called Okay, Bet. And we bet. We bet on winners. We bet on fights that are going to go the distance, fights that are going to get stopped. BC, you had your best weekend ever. You went four and one. Dude, I told you I'm coming back. Trust me, right?
Starting point is 00:05:50 Like Andy said, all right? I'm back, brother. I'm back right now. Right freaking now, Luke. All right, so here's what BC did. BC correctly predicted Amosov would win. Check. Did not predict Ilunga Makabu would win, which was surprising.
Starting point is 00:06:04 We'll talk about that a little bit later. Dude, who would have thought Badu Jack? Wow. I know, and he looked good too, dude. Amosov would win. Check. Did not predict Ilunga Makabu would win, which was surprising. We'll talk about that a little bit later. Who would have thought Badu Jack? Wow. I know. And he looked good, too, dude. Badu Jack looked pretty good. I was actually surprised.
Starting point is 00:06:13 He looked all right. You got correct. Jasmine Jasudavisias would win as an underdog. You got correct that Elvis Rodriguez, Joseph Adorno, you took the over on that. You were correct. And you were also correct that Lineker Andrade over at one championship would end in a KO. That brings your overall total, four and one for the weekend, overall total nine and 15.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Still some work to do to get that ledger a little bit more balanced, but definitely a strong weekend for you. Mine was not nearly as good. I went two and three. So like you, I got the Amosov pick, winner, winner, chicken dinner. Whiffed on Jake Paul. He lost. Whiffed on, I bet on Pedro Carvalho as an underdog. That went absolutely nowhere. That one blew up in my face. I thought the,
Starting point is 00:06:55 I thought the Selecki or Selecki versus Deaton fight would go the distance. It did not. I did get right, however, that Phil DeFries and Duffy would end in a TKO or a KO, which it did. By the way, Mikey tells me, BC, I'm 5-0 in picking fights to end in a sub or KO. So I will say on that category, I'm running the table so far. You can add that to your silver linings playbook, Luke, but not to be the joker at the moment. You mentioned my ledger. It's well more alive and well than Heath at the moment. You know what I'm saying, Luke?
Starting point is 00:07:27 Make in moves, brother. That was a little bit terrible. By the way, it brings your total overall down to 15. As I said, my overall total, 15 and 9. So I'm doing okay, but not the strongest weekend. Didn't I cut it in half? Did I cut my deficit in half there in one week? Yeah, because you were 5 and 14 before. Now you're just 9 and 15. So I'm not sure if you cut it in half there in one week yeah because you were 5 and 14 before now you're just 9 and 15 so i'm not sure if you cut it in half but uh yeah actually you did well you would say though
Starting point is 00:07:52 this performance so far is very typical for how i deal with the mma space and how they deal with me i come out looking like a loser and buffoon and everyone forms a certain level of opinion luke and boy do i sneak my way back in and show you what i'm really all about you know what i mean turning heads your record is still atrocious you had one bad one excuse me one good weekend i would wait until you're at least 500 before i start doing the gorilla chest pounding okay uh dude you want to add any sort of caveat, which I don't believe we've had yet, where you would either, you would get a bonus point for going five and oh,
Starting point is 00:08:28 or you would get docked a second minus point for going on five. We haven't done that yet. We haven't done that yet. Cause I was close to that five and oh, Luke. And I know you were getting a little nervous. I know it. Uh,
Starting point is 00:08:40 I, I'm actually happy when you do better. Um, cause I, I just don't enjoy beating up on you as much as I thought I would. You know, it's a little too easy. But okay, neither here nor there. Good job, BC wins the weekend. It marches on.
Starting point is 00:08:56 All right, let's go to our top five segments. BC, we will start where we customarily do, which is MMA. But I think the biggest bout of the weekend in terms of significance came to us via Bellator. Bellator 291 took place at the Three Arena in Dublin, Ireland. It aired on Showtime in the afternoon slash early evening in BC. Yaroslav Amasov returned from war, basically, to unify the welterweight titles. He defeats Logan Storlie via unanimous decision. BC, here's the question for you. Did he prove with this win, because I've seen some chatter about it, that he's the top welterweight on earth?
Starting point is 00:09:34 Yeah, it's always a provocative discussion when we do that. A lot of times we consider, well, the best fighters in the world are in the UFC, and then other promotions can really put out strong divisions. Bellator's got light heavyweight, bantamweight. I mean, so many that make strong cases where you can suddenly go, do they have the best group or maybe the best fighter? Look, Amesaw's now in this discussion,
Starting point is 00:09:52 I believe, at the very least. Who takes two years off under that type of mental and physical duress and challenge of the real-life situation of active war and comes back like nothing happened and dominates a guy who had just given you your toughest fight to date and oh by the way improving to 27 and 0 in the process look it was as if the time lapse never happened you actually saw
Starting point is 00:10:18 improvements to his game his striking wasn't just a little bit better than Storley's it was by a lot everything he did the threat of the high kicks the tak better than Storley's it was by a lot everything he did the threat of the high kicks the takedown defense across the board it was so good that no I'm not mad at you to kind of make that argument let's do the mental math are we potentially really talking about the best 175 170 pound fighter in the world at the moment I'm not sure Luke I mean I think we still have to put a ton of respect on Kamaru Usman's name who obviously needs to come back and regain that title against Leon Edwards in their trilogy but was leading on all scorecards and on his way to a victory and you know nearly tying the UFC's record for consecutive wins in the process
Starting point is 00:10:56 but you're talking about someone like Amosov here who has size, gas tank, good enough striking to not only use it as a deterrent, but a weapon at times. Yeah, Luke, he's an absolutely complete fighter who's probably only getting better. And these two years amazingly did nothing but empower him even more. A force to be reckoned with. And, you know, let's put that respect on his name because maybe we didn't talk about him for two years for the rightful reasons. But what could you possibly say about that performance luke in the negative i mean it was basically shut out across the board not much not much that was that was i mean he's got finishes
Starting point is 00:11:38 on his record but in terms of all of the context that went into it in terms of his time off in terms of all the challenges he faced and everything else, that's his best performance of his career, right? I mean, he had the best performance in terms of just overall, what kind of skill did he show? You look at the first fight.
Starting point is 00:11:55 The first fight was nothing but a wrestling match, a very, very, very entertaining one. I don't mean a boring one. It was a great one. It was a great one. It was a great one.
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Starting point is 00:12:02 It was a great one. It was a great one. It was a great one. It was a great one. It was a great one. It was a great one. It was a great one. It was a great one.
Starting point is 00:12:03 It was a great one. It was a great one. It was a great one. It was a great one. It was a great one scrambles like crazy and back taking and this that and the other it was a phenomenal again it's arguably the best three-round fight in bellator history it's certainly in the running for that this one was a five-round bout but it looked nothing like the first one logan storley i don't have the data i'm not sure if he got a single takedown in the entire fight and he tried more to the point amasov's movement gave storley all kinds of problems I thought it was very clear that Amosov outstruck him.
Starting point is 00:12:26 We saw some of the highlights. The calf kicks were a problem. The body kicks were a problem. The body kicks into hand combinations were a problem. He was landing as the fight wore on more and more and more. He got dominant as the fight went on. He didn't fade like he kind of did in their first fight in the third round. Like in every way, he showed veteran experience.
Starting point is 00:12:45 He showed well-roundedness. And again, I want to go back to it. When the second fight looks almost nothing like the first fight, it really tells you there's been a big change in them. And Storlie was the one who was active since Amosov was off. And he had long fights against very tough opponents, and he grinded out some wins. And you've got to give him credit for it.
Starting point is 00:13:04 Those were growing experiences for him, too. he was a better version of what he was than the first time but Amosov was the guy that on tape looked like he had the well-rounded goods before his absence and you asked me how much was that this absence going to play a role in his comeback and my answer was it's just hard for me to believe you can take two years off and that will be better that'll be in the long run a good thing for you but I did expect him to look better than he did the last time he fought he not only looked better he looked way better calm comfortable in the zone is he the best 170 pounder BC it's very hard to say there are really really good 170 pounders you mentioned Usman and Edwards and say there are really, really good 170 pounders. You mentioned Usman and Edwards and honestly below Muhammad, it would be, I think a tough challenge for him
Starting point is 00:13:49 to just stylistically. He's a tough guy to beat. He really, really is. And of course, Hamzat and Shafqat and all the guys that are difficult question, Luke, let me just say this. Let me just say this last thing, last thing, but he deserves to be in that conversation at a bare minimum. He is a very talented fighter. I mean, just look at that performance over again and see, I mean, the depth of it. You know, that's funny because we had mentioned, look, what if some element of the two-year layoff shows up in this fight? You know, whether that be the gas tank, whether that be whatever. I mean, he was better in every category than I thought he could be considering the circumstances and that I thought he was before the layoff.
Starting point is 00:14:27 And Luke, it's not as if he had been training for two full years, right? I mean, you know, he had battled some stuff. But part of the idea of this type of cutesy conversation, could he be the best welterweight in the world? We know the size of the hot on that you have for the rising talent of shock rock bonoff if the two of those fought in three months from now luke no title no organization they just showed up in that same gym that rocky apollo and apollo did at the end of round three ding ding okay who's winning that fight right freaking now maybe amosov because i do think his wrestling is a little bit more um when he wants it to be so when he wants it to be it's a
Starting point is 00:15:17 little bit more of a dictating force he didn't really use it in this particular fight in that way i mean he would use the combinations to back up Storlie, and then when Storlie was covering up, he would then shoot on him underneath, where it was totally unobstructed. But that's not exactly the same thing I'm talking about. I'm talking more about like a Habib hard-nosed wrestling approach. Amosov isn't that either, but he has a gear like that that he could go to that I think might give Rachmanov some problems.
Starting point is 00:15:43 But you guys know I'm high on Rachmanov too. Like Rachmanov probably is going to wear a UFC title or at a bare minimum fight for it. And, you know, anybody who's on that level in that division is going to be incredibly good. It'd be a tough fight. This is my point, man. Like, it's really hard to say who's exactly better
Starting point is 00:16:00 when there's such lack of integration between these divisions, UFC and Bellator and whoever else. But at the same time, man, you have that many fights. You have that long a layoff. You had that kind of an experienced opponent who had all the time in the, dude, Logan Storley had all the time in the world to get ready for Yaroslav Amosov. And I'm sure he did to the best of his ability. The problem is whatever he was getting ready for, Amosov was already past it. Luke, we made the right prediction here, and I think it ultimately came down to the talent between the two,
Starting point is 00:16:29 and yeah, we'd seen him fight before, but we expected the two-year gap to change some parts of that. When you do look back at the five rounds that Logan Storlie turned in, are you disappointed in his performance, or is it more about Amosov was so dominant and literally shut down every facet of Logan's game that it just is what it is I mean how much of this I don't want to say blame but how much of this is Logan Storlie who did improve in the two years you know didn't do much in this
Starting point is 00:16:56 one yeah I think the issue for me for Storlie here and maybe at this point in his career he's obviously a great athlete and we know he can wrestle I mean these are two things you don't ever have to worry about and he works hard. So he's got a lot of things there that are going to make him in competitive bouts no matter what. But on the striking side, while I agree he's gotten more comfortable, it appears that the problem is this. He's more comfortable setting up his own offense with it. I don't know that he's that comfortable dueling with it, right? In know that he's that comfortable dueling with it. In other words, if it's just
Starting point is 00:17:28 a striking match where you can't use the threat of wrestling or the opponent has the ability to really reach you from distance, if he's got enough of a well-rounded striking game for that, that's the first problem. The other problem is defensively, I don't see a ton of improvement to the point where he can keep himself
Starting point is 00:17:44 safe in bouts like this. Now, again, it sounds like I'm saying he's not gotten better at any capacity. That's not what I'm meaning. What I mean to say is I think the progress with striking has been real, but relatively modest. That's the issue for me. It's just a modest amount of progression. And so modest progression against a guy like Amosov, who is capable of big chunks, leaps, and every time you see him, that's just a hard guy to fight.
Starting point is 00:18:09 That's a really, really hard guy to fight. Also, let's ease off of Logan Story a little bit. If we're having a conversation about Amosov as maybe the best guy in this weight class independent organization, you know, Storley's not going to look good against a guy like that. Not many people are. Not many people are, right? So it's a tough guy to to like to shine against in that way certainly no question about it and
Starting point is 00:18:31 isn't he teammates with bellator middleweight champion johnny eblen who's having a similarly dominant run the more he steps up in weight over over there at att luke that's iron sharpening iron yeah i mean johnny i'm not sure if you saw it, BC, because I knew you were having to do a bunch of stuff when it went down. Eblen was interviewed by our colleague at CBS Sports, Amanda Guerra, about working with Amosov in this time off,
Starting point is 00:18:56 and specifically getting ready for this fight. Dude, it brought him to tears. It brought him to tears talking about how difficult it was. For Amosov, not for him. Yeah, I got a great... Sorry, sorry. Well, I was just going to say, it seems like to tears talking about how difficult it was. So for, for Amazon, not for him. Sorry. Sorry. Well, I was just going to say, like, I just, it seems like they have a great relationship. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:09 I got a great nickname idea for our CBS sports HQ, uh, colleague, Amanda Garrow, who's doing a great job, by the way, dealing with Josh Thompson and going back and forth. How about AG too? No, that's too, that's too, uh just it's just too dumb it's just too dumb bc last thing on this here's the problem with amosov i have a feeling we're gonna see him at middleweight testing himself sure because here is the top 10 but beyond him storley who is beaten now twice michael page candidly i think he'd beat michael page jason jackson but we need to see it but we need to see that shit okay if michael page jason jackson but we need to see it but we need to see
Starting point is 00:19:45 that shit okay if michael page gets back maybe but who are you okay gun to your head who you picking amosov or page for sure amosov no question but look you do agree that page brings a wild card element that no other fighter can reproduce sure sure and then beyond that jason jackson i think deserves to be taken seriously uh then there's douglas Then there's Goichi Yamauchi, Neiman Gracie, Andre Koreshkov. He's a wild card, too. And then Lorenz Larkin. Lorenz Larkin having a phenomenal last performance. He's a wild card.
Starting point is 00:20:13 I'm just saying, not a lot of guys in that division where you would comfortably say Amosov's got his work cut out for him, except for maybe one or at most two. Yeah, but his training partner and buddy is atop the uh the the middleweight division at the moment luke so somebody's got to pull a dc and and stay away okay all right very good uh we move on to the second topic bc which is the ufc card now krillov got sick right but the day of the fight and so they had to call it i mean on the broadcast that he wasn't going to compete so skipping that for just a moment we go to the fight, and so they had to call it on the broadcast that he wasn't going to compete.
Starting point is 00:20:45 So skipping that for just a moment, we go to the fight that ended up being the main event, which was Brendan Allen, I think very surprisingly, but he earned it, upsetting Andre Muniz, submitting him, BC, in the UFC Vegas 70 ad hoc main event. Having witnessed this, and everyone was talking big about Muniz, me in particular, I thought, dude, I know I thought he was going to win. I thought he was going to roll here. Nope.
Starting point is 00:21:10 Totally blew up in my face. So in your mind, Muniz was ranked 11. Does this mean you think Brendan Allen is ready for the top 10 at 185? Well, look, with this type of performance, he showed me that whether or not he truly is ready i think he deserves an opportunity to show that because he had already put together i believe a three fight winning streak entering this fight but look we we know his levels we we felt like we knew his upper bound limits we'd seen him lose before but bounce back with wins dude he flipped
Starting point is 00:21:40 the script here and i thought the emotion he showed immediately afterwards in the post fight interview with his davey crockett head on by basically saying, like, do you know how many times I've heard people count me out this week? You do wonder, Luke, you know, and we saw that with Tommy Fury, to be fair, ahead of Jake Paul. You wonder if somebody in the build-up leaning into what is expected to be, you know, a close fight in terms of the odds and on paper, but the collective opinion is pushing back against them so strongly. And you're right. I mentioned that comment from Ian Parker, VSPN, a guy that I talked to from here and now and then. And he said, look, there's a potential future title challenger in Muniz,
Starting point is 00:22:16 which, you know, isn't entirely out of the question for the rest of his career here. But he got humbled and Brendan Allen raised his game. There's no question about it. His ability to reverse on the ground, which we expected maybe could be Muniz's opportunity to have big moments, and certainly what he was able to do on the feet, never really allowing himself to get too lit up consistently, worked well from distance, had good defense. That all pales in comparison to the surprise of him to go in there and submit Andre the way he did. So yeah, Luke, hell yeah. It's time for him to show us exactly
Starting point is 00:22:51 how good he really is. You got to give these type of fighters, guys that come in, trade wins and losses, need to learn that craft, refine. You got to give them that chance to do that, Luke. And this was an unexpected breakthrough moment, not just getting the upset win but having the main event fall apart and suddenly this is Brendan Allen's night you know what I love best he called out the two guys who had most recently defeated him Chris Curtis and Sean Strickland and said hey let's run this right back it's exactly what I want to see out of him Luke and I want to see him again here yeah he's had four wins since the Chris Curtis loss he's on a four fight win streak. Three of those by rear naked choke. Here's the point though.
Starting point is 00:23:26 His last loss was in December of 2021. So about a year and some change ago. And then the loss before that, his only two losses in UFC are Sean Strickland and Chris Curtis. So it's not like he's losing to chumps. And then the loss to Sean Strickland, which was a catchweight at 195. He lost in 2020,
Starting point is 00:23:42 which is now November of 2020. So two years and some change I bring this all up to say BC he just turned 27 he just turned 27 I've said this a million times and I didn't obey my own rule here so it blew up in my face and it tells you what you need to know like these guys who come to the UFC
Starting point is 00:23:58 at 24 sometimes 25 sometimes you can get Ilya Teporia which still has some things to work on but looks like he has a direct line of sight to the title. And then there's other guys who come in there who show flashes of inspiration but need a little bit more time to work things out through the middle portion of their 20s, and when they get to the late 20s and early 30s,
Starting point is 00:24:18 that's when everything is beginning to gel. If you're 27 and you're already doing the work that he's doing, it's time to understand that, one, he's capable of massive improvement between fights, but then that leads to the second conclusion, which is you have to be very careful declaring who a guy is when he's in this stage of his career. The amount of change, both positive and negative, but certainly on the positive side that is capable makes them just utterly different fight to fight. And so what I'll say in this one is that I thought Allen looked really good. He got caught on the feet more than I would like, but in general didn't get into stupid
Starting point is 00:24:52 firefights, which he's gotten to before. So he was making better decisions after being hit. Yeah, he had discipline. He had discipline. That's right. It wasn't that he was untouched by Muniz, but it was the ability to take a step back, regroup, and be able to swivel. I mean, look, there was a lot of plus one elements to his game
Starting point is 00:25:09 that I just hadn't seen there before. That's exactly right. Better decision-making is really the issue there. Better decision-making. So there's still other parts to his game about being hit that probably need some work, like any 27-year-old UFC fighter would want to get in. But in terms of just not compounding his own mistakes,
Starting point is 00:25:27 he did a great job. And he already had a really good skill set already on the ground. Like, look at, again, three out of four wins of his last four come by the exact same submission. He is a dangerous, dangerous threat from the back. Now, the question I asked you was, is he ready for the top 10? I would say maybe pump the brakes on that a little bit partly i think muniz just i don't know he looked a little weird right he looked a little weird by the way if
Starting point is 00:25:51 you go to the ufc.com slash rankings page is it my imagination or is the entire thing in russian i think someone hacked it oh no someone hacked it there's all kinds of russian names built in yeah someone hacked it if you go to u UFC.com slash rankings, it's hacked. Yeah, each ranking has the person three times, Luke. Yeah, kind of interesting. What I was going to say was, and speaking of the top 15 for the UFC, I mean, you've got some tough names in there.
Starting point is 00:26:18 Chris Curtis is still ranked 14, and by the way, he already beat Brendan Allen. You've got Kelvin Gaslam at 13. You've got Nasurdin Imhovov. You've got Imhovov. And you've got Kelvin Gaslam at 13 you've got Nasur Dean Imhovov you've already Imhovov and you've got when he's sitting at 11 Darren Till at 15 maybe he's ready for the top 10 not saying he's not but I still think there's work to do from 11 to 15 that would still give us some fun fights why not do a Chris Curtis rematch right why not do one that's a great test in either direction for sure for sure and you know again you
Starting point is 00:26:45 asked me i don't know if he's fully ready i want to see him though get the shot to start to start facing and defeating guys of that level and ilk and luke speaking uh to close on the hacked ufc rankings page you think somebody could have hacked in some rankings for the women's featherweight division for the first time luke we're only six years into this division right uh yeah well what six years into what division one four five women oh um they've never had rankings yet on the ufc rankings page still empty yeah still empty it's you know what are you gonna say about that i mean it is what it is yeah megan anderson not coming through that door luke neither is uh the other people cyborg beep yeah but now but now it's, you know, yeah, okay, got it. There you go.
Starting point is 00:27:26 All right, let's talk about the other. Or Amanda. Or you get my point. You get the joke. I get your point. Okay, let's talk about in point number three, the other UFC fight on this card that I thought was worthy of some examination here.
Starting point is 00:27:38 So after nearly four years, three and a half, basically, Tatiana Suarez is back and she was victorious, submitting in the second round, Montana De La Rosa via guillotine choke. BC, did Tatiana Suarez look to you, based off of this performance, ready to contend for a title? Yes, yes. I'd like to hear your rebuttal and comeback on there,
Starting point is 00:28:03 but what's most interesting to me after such a long layoff and all the questions about injuries that have slowed her down and what that could potentially do to somebody mentally, Luke, she erased that time. I want to compare her to the people that have famously in the UFC erased large periods of time and act like it didn't matter. You know, people like George St. Pierre, Dominic Cruz, I'm not going to say this performance was on that level. No, it was workman-like or workwoman-like Luke and ultimately dominant in that one gear. But what it did show me is the thing that always seems special about Tatiana Suarez to begin with when she won tough at strawweight and when she looked to be an early sort of
Starting point is 00:28:43 long shot, dark turn or, you know, long-term dark horse title contender is the mental toughness. It just seems to be next level. We're going to play some sound later from her on. Have you seen the shit that will embellish this more, but we know what her strength is. She came out with that strength and she was plotting and,
Starting point is 00:29:03 and, uh, you know, like you knew what she was coming with, but it was like this giant boulder rolling down the hill. Eventually it broke Montana De La Rosa and she was able to get and get the position she needed and she got the finish. What I think is most interesting, Luke,
Starting point is 00:29:17 is that despite coming back here in a 125-pound bout and despite a lot of our early talk heading into her return of wow the women's flyweight division is suddenly fun again what the hell does you know what place does Tatiana Suarez hold if she comes back and gets a win even though obviously I'm not looking over that she was a heavy favorite deserved to be and defeated somebody who's tough in Montana De La Rosa but skill for skill she should be unless there's problems from the layoff. She's not talking about flyweight, Luke. She's talking directly about coming back in strawweight and
Starting point is 00:29:50 continuing that quest that she was on. So I think there's a lot to like from this performance. She didn't show us a lot in terms of striking. Again, it was workmanlike plotting, but once she starts closing distance, can take you down, can do what she does, Luke. She's a force to be reckoned
Starting point is 00:30:05 with and intangible wise some people overrate or underrate what that what those things can actually mean dude she is dialed the hell in in almost a scary way uh yeah do i expect her to fight for a title soon if she can stay healthy in either division, if she can start stockpiling wins. Yeah. Yeah, I do, Luke. And I think it's great to see somebody who showed that much talent and faced that much hurdles, pitfalls that are largely outside of her control, put it all back together when the moment calls for it and deliver. But can I tee it back up to you in a way that says luke from a text message you sent me
Starting point is 00:30:45 i'm a little concerned that you weren't as impressed as i am so why don't you stand up and tell me why so the question is i asked i'm going to answer the question that i asked you same one which was do i did based on this performance did i see someone ready to contend for a title i did not i did not now i want to be very clear about this. Number one, to come back the way she did, we all know the story, after three and a half years, and just win in the UFC is already insanely difficult. To do it via
Starting point is 00:31:13 finish, even better. Up on weight class, even better. Like, it's, I don't want anyone to listen to what I'm saying, and says, like, and try to position it like I'm downgrading what an accomplishment it was it's an outrageous accomplishment and more to the point this is what i am going to say i need to see a little bit more what i'm telling ubc is based off of this performance did i see someone ready to
Starting point is 00:31:40 contend for a title no but i don't know that this performance is necessarily all that representative of what we might get from a more consistent in shape i mean she was in shape but you know what i mean like in rotation constantly suarez there's a question about like how representative that is and i feel like it's not very representative i feel like it's representative of the person that we got in the cage that night in terms of being gone for so long, but not in terms of what she can actually produce if she can stay healthy and consistently fighting. And here's why I say that.
Starting point is 00:32:11 Listen, man, women's wrestling in the last four years in MMA has come a long way. And to me, it was something of an interesting sign that most of her wrestling attacks didn't really work very well. She had to switch from her leg attacks she did get i think one head inside single but in general most of like the level changing trying to grab the legs trying to work the single or the double it didn't really go very well most of the
Starting point is 00:32:36 good stuff came from head whips or what you might know as a head toss where she's able to like club the head and then turn and then get get De La Rosa off of her base, and then almost throw in a judo throw. That's what Tatiana Suarez was able to use, and that's fine because that's a real wrestling move, and she has real wrestling, and she was able to make it work, but it's almost like a regression, and she had to switch it up that way to get the takedown.
Starting point is 00:33:01 And I say this to point out, De La Rosa has not been known as a fierce takedown and I say this to point out like De La Rosa has not been known as like a fierce takedown defense kind of person and granted it's up a weight class and what Tatiana Suarez was typically used to again it's her first fight in three and a half years I'm just saying I didn't see an overwhelming force of nature this time and I didn't see a huge gap necessarily in grappling skill I mean yes there was a difference for sure. Tatiana Suarez was better, but it wasn't like this. I thought it would be much more of a gigantic gap and it wasn't.
Starting point is 00:33:35 And I do feel like it's important to say four years is a long time for a lot of reasons, not least of which is how much development of the game can take in that amount of time. And I think Suarez has a little bit more of her work cut out for her than I originally had thought. Well, you know, you tease the sort of natural uh knee-jerk reaction to that and i think it's fair to bring up like montana de la rosa up to this point at 125 not a world beater but is big for the weight class and where is her strength particularly involved with the ground right i mean she's got jujitsu not wrestling right. Right, but that's not a foreign disconnection to link your wrestling, your takedown defense into what you do positively.
Starting point is 00:34:10 Yeah, but it's not automatic either. On an offensive level. So if it took Tatiana more time after a break like that, at a division above where she competed in the past, and above where she now intends on competing moving forward, and she didn't get it lit up, and she got a somewhat dominant second round submission. I get what you're saying about some things that we assumed would be easy weren't,
Starting point is 00:34:32 but I chalk a lot of that up to the layoff, Luke, and the injuries and the adjustments she's making. Is she going to have that same problem at 115, looking to secure takedowns and using the combination of her wrestling skills and her physicality. I'm not sure, Luke. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Here's what I'll say. We basically agree on the complexion of this fight and how it looked. Suarez was better. She was the better fighter. She won via finish. Nothing accidental about it. She deserved it. It's an amazing accomplishment.
Starting point is 00:35:00 I think what some people are looking at is they're looking at this fight and saying, well, because she was off for three and a half years, and yeah, she didn't completely roll over Montana De La Rosa, but she was better. It must mean that in subsequent fights, she'll make up that difference at 115, and we'll see the old one. And my point is, it certainly could mean that. In fact, it might absolutely mean that. It doesn't necessarily mean that. That's my point it doesn't necessarily mean that we can grade her on a curve such that we can say when she goes to 115 all of the other
Starting point is 00:35:31 pieces will pick back up where they were my point is let's see i cannot declare to you to that not to be true i don't know that but i just need to know a little bit more about her except for one bout up a weight class after three and a half years to know if she's ready to be the very best at 115 and i don't think that's a crazy thought not a crazy thought i mean you know there's things you have to prove over time but i guess i was more uh intrigued impressed by what she did in the long run. Now, Luke, specific to the- I mean, Jose, hold on. Don't take it from me now.
Starting point is 00:36:07 I know you're not trying to. I'm impressed by what she did. I just didn't see a title contender from that performance on Saturday. Fair. Fair enough in that regard. What do you feel, though, about her comments of wanting to cut back down and continue the run she started at 115? In theory, Luke, it's a longer path to the title because that division has more consistent depth
Starting point is 00:36:32 since its launch in 2014. I mean, it's always sort of historically talented to a certain degree. I'll give 125 credit for repopulating, but in terms of the size differences she'll hold and the path to the top, is this the smartest move in your eyes in terms of the two division offerings to her available to her? I think it might be. I think it might be because her style is physical. She gets a little extra physicality out of it at 115.
Starting point is 00:36:57 Also, I give her and the UFC credit here. I think they played this one the right way. She didn't want to cut too much weight for her first one back. I think she still felt she'd be competitive at 125. She was right. And that she didn't want the toughest opponent relative to what her strengths and her weaknesses are. They wanted a respectable opponent and a talented one, but one that I think they felt was beatable. They were right about that. And that's the perfect, this is my point. If this is just the get back, get right fight, and then she can
Starting point is 00:37:25 really begin to home in on the things she's very very good at with subsequent performances then this is this is tremendous i'm just saying based off of this given the uncertainty around it it seems a little premature to declare a title contender emerged from this bout for a different weight class it's a smart return bout but we still got to see her put that into action before we can truly be sure all right that's fair luke it's fair you're not you're not hurting anyone's feelings here it's fair we got to see it we got to see it let's do it let's hope for her sake she can stay healthy and and she could stay on that road luke and also i didn't like the way she pulled guard i I didn't like that way. I prefer it when guard is pulled where they wrap the legs before the other
Starting point is 00:38:09 fighter has a chance to retreat to the ground. And this time she kind of had one and the other one got stuck, but she did a good job of switching the head into the guillotine and then jumping. It's better when you can jump and wrap all at the same time, because you can get that real heavy lean on the back of the neck when you do it that way so a couple of it seemed to me bc a little rusty a little rusty justifiably so understandable and didn't show a lot of striking and you know look to look to lock up and take down and you know like you said had her struggles in doing that but eventually was
Starting point is 00:38:42 able to come over the top with it. But let's give that time. I mean, the key is she's got to be active and busy and stay healthy. And if she can do that, Luke, you know, she's somebody that I think I see enough of the other areas. The long-term questions I have, so dialed in, so confident, so determined to really persevere through anything that let's work out the kinks behind the scenes. I think she'll be just fine, but let's find out. I mean, look, there's no shortage of,
Starting point is 00:39:13 like I said, even historically great names in the division right now. Let's get a couple wins under the belt, and I don't think it'll be long before she's fighting in the type of bouts at 115 that with a big performance could propel her right to the top. So let's do it. Let's hope she stays healthy.
Starting point is 00:39:28 Let's hope she can get back into consistent rotation. And if she can, and she can show that, of course, after three and a half years, what do you expect? I'm going to look a little rusty, which is totally understandable. She might develop into exactly who we thought, I thought she was definitely going to be. I think she just needs a couple more rotations. All right, BC, let's get to, I mean, I candidly, I don't know how much our audience cares about
Starting point is 00:39:53 it, but there's an audience for it because apparently it broke the bank with CBS Sports in terms of traffic. Jake Paul and Tommy Fury finally, if you want to use that word, fought yesterday, eight round contest. They were about 184 pounds each, give or take. And Tommy Fury wins a split decision. Now, BC, you kind of teased it earlier, so we'll go to you first on this. How did you score it? And I guess the better question is here, what did Tommy Fury prove with this win? Yeah, well, let's start off at the top. We, you know, we
Starting point is 00:40:25 mentioned sometimes the story of the fight. Who had the better performance, which I think people need to realize when you're scoring boxing on the 10-round must system, you can sometimes get a disparity between what the final score is, depending on which way you scored it, and what the fight actually looked like. Why? Because in this case, Tommy Fury was the better boxer throughout the rounds that he clearly won. He won much more dominantly. I ultimately scored it live. And when it's an eight round fight, you got to understand if it's an eight round fight with some close rounds, you can get a much closer final score than a 10 or 12 round fight where there's more, you know, real estate to prove your dominance. In this fight, in this way, I scored at 75-74 for Jake Paul.
Starting point is 00:41:07 And I got roasted on Twitter, and I understand why. What that amounts to is essentially four rounds to four. The points deducted from both of them, which I thought from referee Hector Afu, were way out of line, way too quickly. Hold on, time out real quick. He was so bad. Yeah, way out of line, way too quickly without the problem. He warned a little bit, but just sort of jumped the gun.
Starting point is 00:41:29 And I felt like the point he took away from Tommy Fury in round six was almost like a makeup call. The good news is both of those canceled each other out to a certain degree. But look, at the end of the day, Jake Paul did score a knockdown in the final round, which gives him an extra point. I had it four to four watching live. And of course, you know, everyone's going to skewer me despite the fact that it was a split decision
Starting point is 00:41:48 and one judge had the same score in favor of Jake. You're the boxing guy, all that BS. But let's look at it a little bit closer. I did rewatch it because as we often say, we're not professional judges, but we cover combat sports enough to know what we're doing. But when you're watching and scoring a fight, we have other responsibilities.
Starting point is 00:42:04 I'm sending in scores to CBS Sports HQ. We're tweeting out a lot of that stuff. Upon rewatch, Luke, I actually didn't change much. Upon rewatch, I've got it. The score's flipped 75-74 now in favor of Tommy Fury, which to me still comes down. In this regard, I switched round two. So here's what you got at the end of the day. Round three clearly won by Jake Paul. No one's arguing that. It was his best round for establishing the hard left jab. They jousted back and forth, and he had a very nice right-hand late that kind of wobbled Tommy Fury briefly.
Starting point is 00:42:37 Round eight with a knockdown, nobody's questioning that. He knocked Tommy Fury down with a jab and seemed to do enough late. But I also gave Jake Paul round five, and I think a lot of people missed that, Luke. Round five was where Jake Paul got deducted a point, but what he did after the point was deducted was step up his offense with flurries and landed a big right hand that actually straight up wobbled Fury and kind of briefly took him off of his game. That goes down as a 9-9 round, but because Fury also got a point deducted
Starting point is 00:43:06 the next round, they cancel each other out. So there's three, in my opinion, very legitimate rounds for Fury. Three and eight that nobody's arguing, and five. Watching the first time I gave round two to Jake Paul, upon re-watching, I was wrong. That's a Tommy Fury round
Starting point is 00:43:22 all the way. But what did Tommy Fury do overall to deserve this? Stepped up his game in a major way. Luke, you and I had echoed the same point on any platform that gave us a chance to talk about this. They're both, look, you still can't argue this, they're both novice boxers. Credit to them, obviously,
Starting point is 00:43:38 for the way that they've raised their games and what Tommy Fury did with all the pressure against him. No, he didn't end up signing the contract of all or nothing in terms of doubling down on the salaries and winner take all. But he had a lot of pressure from his family at 23 in this pay-per-view main event to not come out and look like a bum. And you know what he did, Luke? He stuck to the basics. And I think what surprised us all was that him committing to the basics of a power jab mixed with good footwork to get out of the way of
Starting point is 00:44:05 counter shots even though he had some good you know combination flurries at certain points most of the time it was power jab get out of the way those fundamentals frustrated jake paul and they were actually enough to get the edge in the end so good to him this was the type of performance tommy fury needed so that we stopped calling him, you know, just a reality TV star who's trying to live up to the family name. No, he raised his game. He frustrated Jake. And I know there's been people that have been critical from Jake from the beginning, fighting retired MMA stars and said, Hey, fight a real boxer with a jab. You may see something different. Is Tommy Fury at the end of the day, a real boxer? I think that's still inconclusive,
Starting point is 00:44:41 but he stuck to the fundamentals better than Jake Paul did in the end. And I do think he was the rightful winner, even though in real time, I scored it against him, but Luke in an eight round fight with point deductions, a knockdown and some close rounds. I know that Tommy Fury more than doubled Jake's punches landed according to CompuBox. But again, that doesn't always tell you the full story of the fight. Tommy pretty much cleanly won the rounds that he won. I thought there were closer rounds than people watching at home did in terms of their online scoring, but the right guy won. That's what matters.
Starting point is 00:45:13 Jake, of course, has a rematch clause that we can talk about, but I didn't think Tommy Fury, after watching him on Jake's undercard and struggle with MMA fighter Anthony Taylor, who was two divisions smaller than him, and then getting his own close-up in recent fights on ESPN+. He didn't look like a world beater. He didn't even look like a real boxer. On Sunday, he kind of did, Luke, and he certainly looked like a better real boxer than Jake Paul. So you know what? Tommy Fury, you impressed me. You raised your game, and maybe I needed to re-watch it and score it again to change that one round, but let's not act like this wasn't a close competitive fight.
Starting point is 00:45:47 And at least the right guy won. That was good to see. Okay, so I have a few thoughts on this, BC. See what you think. Easier to argue. The right guy won. The right guy won. Tommy Fury was better.
Starting point is 00:45:58 I just don't. Jake had his moments, certainly dropping him in the 12th. Or what's the 12th? What am I saying? Eighth. Dropping him in the 12th. Or what was the 12th? What am I saying? The 8th. Dropping him in the 8th, which I thought was good. This is going to sound kind of crazy because Tommy was definitely better, not just for the majority of rounds, but just start the timer.
Starting point is 00:46:13 How much time one guy was better than the other one. Tommy was better for the majority of the time, too. But what I mean to say is Jake was a little bit slicker, a little bit. For example, jabbing to the body, and then as Tommy walked into him, bending over like a dipping jab, but then going high and then crashing into him. That stunted him several times. You could see Jake try and time his overhand right several times, and he was so close a couple times.
Starting point is 00:46:38 He had a few more tricks than Tommy. But here's what occurred to me about the mistake that I think Jake Paul has made in his career. It didn't occur to me up until now. let's put cards on the table we both thought Jake Paul was going to win didn't happen we have to tell the audience that but I will say the mistake that Jake Paul has made to me a little bit is that in getting former MMA fighters that's one thing people focused on that but they should focus more on the age because Tyron Woodley and Anderson Silva are not high output guys. And so, and so a guy like Jake had time to work. He had time to move. He had time to set up. He had time to disengage. He had time to wrap up guys who are 40 or in the
Starting point is 00:47:18 case of Anderson Silva, 47, they're not going to push the pace on you. Well, Tommy Fury did. Tommy Fury actually just worked a lot, really got in Jake's face, and Jake's game kind of collapsed and imploded for long stretches of the fight because he was just flailing, trying to find something. He was too eager to lean into his offense rather than creating separation, using movement, and then setting everything up calmly and slowly again. Using those old opponents was a good way to work on your game. No doubt about it. He got better, but he didn't set him up for a young guy who's, by the way, three years
Starting point is 00:47:50 younger than him, who whatever else you want to say about Fury's skills, not being up to par with X or Y, fine. I wouldn't argue otherwise. But the pace that he put on him and the pressure he put on him really gave Jake a ton of problems. And I'll say this again, BC, go to the tapes that we did right here at Morning Combat. How many times did I tell you he likes to throw the overhand right and look straight down when he does? And you saw Fury get to those uppercuts later.
Starting point is 00:48:18 And I want to say one more thing about Fury, aside from having a good game plan and then making some reads about the things that Jake was showing him. Jake drops him in the eighth. Now, it could have been people like, oh, well, he didn't really hurt him. He just knocked him off balance. Well, yeah, because Tommy's footwork's a little bit clunky. He puts himself in positions that when you get hit,
Starting point is 00:48:35 you don't have your balance. That's why you have to have a staggered stance and not a squared one. But I'll say this. He gets up off the canvas and took it to Jake Paul to finish the end of that round like he really was the one dude it's funny jake is the bigger guy between them and you would not know that based on the physicality that tommy fury brings to the fight let's talk about that so so in this case
Starting point is 00:48:58 in terms of weight jake paul came in at his lowest weight as a boxer up to this point of 183.6. Fury came in at the highest at 184 and some change. So less than a pound difference between them. But the upper body, Tommy's body, Jake made fun of it, that he's muscle-bound and then has skinny legs. It's not exactly that, but he's more top-heavy than not. He used that muscle, that physicality. He looked like a bigger fighter than Jake,
Starting point is 00:49:25 even though he was the smaller fighter coming up. But most importantly, Luke, something we didn't stress on, the four-inch reach advantage actually came into play in Fury's factor with that jab. And even though I didn't think that was a good night overall for the extended commentary team, and Twitter had a lot of fun with the viral moments, and maybe we'll see one or two and have you seen the shit, although I like a lot of guys on that broadcast staff.
Starting point is 00:49:44 The broadcast was atrocious. I mean, there's some guys on the a lot of guys on that broadcast staff. The broadcast was atrocious. I mean, there's some guys on the broadcast that I like, but in general, the broadcast was atrocious. I like a lot of guys on that team, but I will say the one thing Sean Porter said that was most prescient in line of the analysis you just gave was not just the fact that he's fighting a younger fighter who's going to have more gas over the eight rounds
Starting point is 00:50:02 compared to Silva or Woodley, but somebody who's not standing in front of him. Sean nailed that part. Somebody who's not just have more gas over the eight rounds compared to Silva or Woodley, but somebody who's not standing in front of him. Sean nailed that part. Somebody who's not just allowing Jake to close the distance and start to work with his feints and his punches. Tommy was getting out of the way repeatedly. And that was, look, again, he hung on the fundamentals and he exposed that even though Jake has made great gains and has better fundamentals than the level of competition he was facing before,
Starting point is 00:50:26 which is older MMA fighters trying to make the adjustment. Tommy leaned on, Tommy did have a small amateur career and obviously has the help of his extended family in his corner. Dude, in those last couple of years, he's put his nose down in the gym and he did get just enough better to win this fight. And you got to give him that credit. But Luke, I hate reestablishing the boxing scoring system to people that don't fully understand. Dude, hold on. Let's take a step back. How badly did you get cooked on Twitter that you've brought this up three times?
Starting point is 00:50:55 I mean, I got nailed. And, you know, it's not that I don't have the skin for that, Luke. It's just sometimes you get angry when you know what you put out in the world wasn't wrong. Dude, no one on Twitter will ever reproduce your argument in good faith. They'll never do it. They'll take a version of it and twist it so that you're saying something you're not actually saying. I still get skewered by a certain level of the boxing population for a fight. Do you remember somewhere in 2019 that pay-per-view fight Keith Thurman and Manny Pacquiao that overachieved their look?
Starting point is 00:51:24 It was a great fight. Walter White title at stake. People remember,urman, Manny Pacquiao, that overachieved there, Luke. It was a great fight. Walter White title at stake. People remember, of course, Manny dropping him in the first round, Manny hurting Thurman to the body late, and you go, oh, man, that's Manny's night altogether. Look, Manny was the better fighter on that night. No one's questioning that. The question comes down to the scoring.
Starting point is 00:51:40 I had it 7-5 for Thurman, and people still want to show up with torches at my door. I implore you to rewatch that fight. I had it the same score for Thurman and people still want to show up with torches at my door. I implore you to re-watch that fight. I had it the same score. It was a split decision as the judge who had it for Thurman by one round. Look, Pacquiao's older. He doesn't fight for the full three minutes. What I'm basically trying to say is just because somebody had bigger moments.
Starting point is 00:51:59 We see this in UFC all the time. People call them for the pride rules of scoring. Just because you had bigger moments in certain rounds doesn't mean you won the fight in a 10 round you know every when you have a 10 point must system every round is its own fight jay clawed back enough with some power shot flurries at the end of rounds to make some of these close luke how did you ultimately have the score in real time uh i kind of stopped scoring after the fifth i think i had it uh five rounds to three for tommy so you cancel out the point deduction there was the knockdown in the eighth and so i think that would make it 75 74 tommy right yep that's my adjusted score i had the one round difference
Starting point is 00:52:41 the first time and of course that tommy was just He was, I just hate that. That means it's like, I have to keep reiterating this just because the guy, one guy did better in a close fight. Doesn't always mean on the scoring system that he wanted just because somebody, a judge, a journalist scores it for the other guy. It's a math problem.
Starting point is 00:52:59 I'm not watching that fight and going, Oh yeah, Jake was better. It's a math problem. At the end of the day. Watch the close rounds closely and make your own decision. Luke, immediate rematch in the favor of Jake Paul. He was largely humble afterwards.
Starting point is 00:53:12 He sent out a tweet this morning, which was meant to encourage his young fans that, you know, judge me by my defeats. You'll see how much I come back. How much of a market, how much interest in your eyes is a rematch? You know, Jake only had a one fight deal with ESPN, even though he does have his own rematch clause here. If he activates it like he says he was, he would. And if ESPN jumps on it, one thing you will say, you said it earlier, it did gangbusters
Starting point is 00:53:38 in terms of traffic. Was that because it was on a Sunday afternoon and the football season's over? Maybe. Also, it extended out to the casual crossover level of mainstream sports in ways that did surprise me. Is there a big, you know, how big could a rematch be? I mean, if they go back to Saudi Arabia, they'll do it for the money. But what if you did this in an England soccer stadium? I'll tee it up this way. What I think this fight showed me
Starting point is 00:54:07 is that we're slow, we're pumping the brakes on like Jake getting a WBC ranking and fighting a champion one day. Like, I don't think that's ever going to happen, right? I think this keeps Jake in the celebrity bubble now against KSI, against Nate Diaz, against, you know, Tommy Fury,
Starting point is 00:54:22 if he wants this rematch. What does that do heading into this rematch to Jake's marketability now that he has one defeat? Does that change things? Because to me, it tells everybody now he got as far as he could on his own of trying to be a real boxer. It doesn't mean he can't come back and win the rematch. But I think this ends that conversation.
Starting point is 00:54:44 We're never going to see you know jake get to 14 and one and suddenly be challenging a real cruiser weight champion in my opinion okay i think he's going to go more in that mma direction starting next year so what's the what's the want level in your eyes for this rematch and how does this lost effect to jake moving forward so i said this at the top of the show i really want to reiterate it because there probably are people in our audience being like why are you guys talking about this fight and the reality is like in terms of relevant boxing this ain't it you know in terms of the when we say relevant we mean um guys at the top of or your top 15 of each division or guys fighting for titles or contendership position it represents none of that and so uh we understand that i know our audience
Starting point is 00:55:24 for the most part, certainly understands that. But I want to repeat it to you. Our bosses at CBS came back to us and were like, this blew the doors off of anything since the Super Bowl. And even before that, not as big as the Super Bowl, but certainly it's a high watermark event for traffic in sports. And so I've said this before. What is the biggest audience in in combat sports it's not hardcores it's casuals that's the first thing i want to say and the casuals seem very very interested second if you are jake paul you got the best scenario in a loss
Starting point is 00:55:57 which is to say it was a split decision which means you can say it's disputed whether or not that's the facts you can say it there disputed. Whether or not that's the facts, you can say it. There's a marketing angle. And two, he knocked Fury down. He knocked Fury down, and he got one judge to say he won. You can definitely use that to market a rematch, especially given what I already just mentioned, that the audience among casuals, not among hardcores,
Starting point is 00:56:21 not among the rock-rib-fight fans, but among the casuals, which is a gigantic audience, the interest is high. There's not a doubt in my mind they're going to make the rematch. How soon? A little harder to tell. Probably going to be in England. Probably going to be on pay-per-view. Probably going to make a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Okay, but what about the idea that this ceiling, this puts a ceiling on Jake in the legitimate side of boxing do you agree oh uh unless he's able to show a dramatic leap quickly which is possible right he had a big folks sleep on this because again we're not talking about we're gonna the next fight we're gonna talk about is Subriel Matias and Jeremias Ponce these guys are vastly better than what we're talking about here. I understand. So, you know, is he in that conversation right now?
Starting point is 00:57:10 I think right now he is firmly where you say he is. KSI, everything else along that ring of celebrity fighters. He's certainly firmly entrenched there. I do still think he has the possibility to lift himself a little bit out of that space. I wouldn't close the door on it completely, but certainly for the foreseeable future,
Starting point is 00:57:28 these are his peers. This is who he should be fighting. This is who he will be fighting. It makes the most sense for name value, money and competition sake. This is Lou DiBella was right. He's like, you know, is it a good fight? Bad fight? You can decide.
Starting point is 00:57:40 It was a fair fight. It was a fair fight, you know, and I think that's a good way of looking at it. A guy, his own size, a guy with relatively the same amount of experience and and he lost a close one but like we talked about he was the one who landed the knockdown there is a rematch clause if you do it you understand but luke at 23 even though tommy fury exceeded our almost pitifully low expectations coming in which i look I give him a lot of respect. You know, at this point, he probably, you know, he should have signed that contract. He should have doubled down and bet on himself
Starting point is 00:58:10 as dangerous of a move as that would have been. I don't want to rain on his parade here. I still didn't see enough to believe, even at 23, that Tommy Fury can do much on the pro side. Okay, fair enough. All right, BC, let's round out the pro side. Okay, fair enough. All right, BC, let's round out the top five. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Do you agree?
Starting point is 00:58:28 I mean, I'm saying this to get your opinion, not for you to speed me out of here, Luke, okay? Yeah, I largely agree. I largely agree. I will ask, let me pitch one back to you, since I'd be wrong for not going to this direction at least once. So if, okay, imagine I snap my fingers, to you since I would I'd be wrong for not going to this direction at least once so if okay imagine I snap my fingers and as soon as I do you are the manager of Nate Diaz what do you tell him should
Starting point is 00:58:52 be his next move it's interesting um if Jake look if they run this back let me add one more because we just saw Floyd do the Aaron Chalmers thing in London and when I say no one was there I mean no one was there I'm not saying Diaz couldn't get a big check to fight Floyd in Ryzen that may still be on the table but they're like oh I'll just fight Floyd I guess a Floyd versus a Diaz no matter what would be bigger than than Floyd versus Aaron Chalmers but I'm just pointing out the idea that Floyd is automatic money in terms of, well, I guess depending on the game. It's a weird thing with Floyd right now.
Starting point is 00:59:30 Floyd found his own ceiling this weekend when he had 95% of tickets unsold at what? O2 Arena, was it? O2 Arena. One of the two. Up until the final days, and then they essentially closed off most of the arena and darkened the entire crowd. I mean, there was handfuls of people there.
Starting point is 00:59:46 But I think Nate Diaz's boxing big payday is still tied into Jake Paul. So that's why I led with that. Here's what I mean by this. If they do a Jake Paul, Tommy Fury rematch, the biggest success for the promotion, for the business side of this, was that this fight was competitive, it was relatively entertaining, and that there's some level of debate coming out of it and a want for a rematch because maybe because it was on Sunday afternoon I can't echo that again you had a lot of people that don't normally watch boxing that
Starting point is 01:00:15 have a lot of influence on Twitter that were suddenly into this and scoring it and tweeting out their opinion and you know clowning uh clowning Radio Raheem I, there's a lot of talk about this fight. Let's say you do a second one. Let's say you get that English aggressive soccer fan feel going. And let's say Jake wins, right? Let's give him that credit. Let's say he wins. He was pretty close in the first time around.
Starting point is 01:00:38 I think it's still viable for Nate. I think that closes the gap. What we saw Jake do against Anderson, it was a good win for him. But I think it scared us into the idea that if Jake wants to stay in this model of fighting big money fights against ex-MMA stars, unless he's fighting guys his size, man, he may be able to dominate. This Tommy Fury fight closed that argument. But imagine if they have another close fight in a rematch and Jake wins it. Could you do Jake versus Nate for good money and interest i think you could look i still think you could
Starting point is 01:01:09 i think that's probably about right i'm still though if you're i think you know talking to people close to diaz in that camp i get the sense that he kind of felt like the paul fight might happen this year still might but now I'm putting that off till end of the year. Because here's the thing, right? If they do the rematch, let's say, what is it now? March almost. If they do the rematch sometime around early summer,
Starting point is 01:01:33 or let's say summer, and Paul wins, right? They might just do the trilogy at that point. Again, especially, dude, if they do a rematch, and it's big and successful, and Jake wins, and let's say for whatever reason, it was a rematch and it's big and successful and Jake wins and let's say for whatever reason it was like this one where it's controversy and you can you know
Starting point is 01:01:49 use that for a third fight they're just going to make a third fight Diaz could be on the outside looking in for the whole year not getting the opponent that he wants or I think expected and that changes things a little bit for him yeah for sure I mean we also have to question because when you have the invincibility that an unbeaten fighter has which jake had heading into this fight it does start to change your level of belief of what is possible like that's why i think jake was inviting the idea of a ranking and potentially of inevitably a real title shot down the line this i thought his reaction to the defeat was certainly strong you know he was largely humble and now he's talking about wanting to do it again.
Starting point is 01:02:28 But the one thing, Luke, that he has lacked up to this point from an entertainment standpoint, there's been a couple of close fights in his journey and certainly, especially the buildup to the first Woodley one. He's done a great job talking people into this. He hasn't had that like back and forth slugfest yet could you imagine if this rematch is one of those where both fighters go down and it's this dramatic fun fight and he wins it i think that's the greatest thing that could be a shot in the arm to his future and then bring in the idea of a nate fight being super viable again but that was the bit if there's anything to criticize about this fight that we just saw yesterday was that it wasn't
Starting point is 01:03:05 fought at a high level and even though it was competitive and borderline dramatic with the late knockdown it was a it was a jousting jab fest as you would say and and so like they just don't have that many tools they don't have that many tools so you know i want i'm gonna i wonder moving forward because you can't you can because you can't discount what it does to your invincibility when you lose. Will this force Jake to change his business structure moving forward and model? And will it speed up his move to MMA to try it, Luke? Because if he gets into one of those wars and wins it, it may be the thing that gives him his highest reach of commercial gain. But if he goes through that and wins or loses, but takes a beating in the process, it may
Starting point is 01:03:51 also force him to leave the sport. Why? Because at some point, Luke, when you're masquerading as a boxer to try to become a real one, the realities of boxing show up. To Jake's credit, outside of getting knocked into the ropes by Woodley in the first fight, he hasn't been viciously cut or been viciously hurt where you start to question man why am I doing this I do wonder if that ends up happening Luke will that lead him you know deeper into wanting this sport or make him go hey I got more ways to make money I don't necessarily
Starting point is 01:04:18 need this fair enough all right BC let's end with the card where we called the prelims together in the swamps of Jersey City over the weekend. This was Josh Taylor's old title, the vacant 140-pound IBF world title was contested between Subriel Matias and Jeremias Ponce. And BC, I felt like I'll toot our own horn here a little bit. I felt like we nailed the preview on this one, right? What did we say? Vicious body punching, high volume from both,
Starting point is 01:04:50 but vicious body punching from Ponce. But Matias, that left hook is just dynamite. And what set up the finish in the fifth round by Matias, who, by the way, just looked, I mean, he absorbed an insane burst of offense for the first three rounds and then turned the table. But it was that left hook that set Ponce down. BC, how does Matias stack up with the rest of the 140-pound Titans? He's a very, very interesting wild card
Starting point is 01:05:19 because I thought you and I did a good job really setting the backstory stage. Matias could not have had to go through more to get to this point on the personal and professional journey. The jail time, he was stabbed, the drug conviction, all that coming out. Then he's in a fight that he wins against Maxim Dadashev, but there's a death in the ring and all that deals with it. Yet he got all the way to this point, avenging his only loss by knockout, by the way, last fight.
Starting point is 01:05:42 And now he gets into a vacant title fight and wins it his way what is his way putting on an incredible amount of pressure and power punching but not in a recklessly destructive way when what that does is he forces you to fight his fight at close distance so suddenly luke he's not only a good story winning the title turning his life around and all that but you match him up against any big name at 140 pounds. And why is there a reason to believe that this division is so fun? Because all those fun big names at lightweight are eventually going to move up on their way to welterweight and some already have. You're going to see a lot of big names flash through this division in the next year or
Starting point is 01:06:18 two. And Matias is in a fight against everyone because he hits hard. He's aggressive and like I mentioned, he gets in your face with hard combination punching, body punching, and in this case he had a willing dance partner in Jeremias Ponce, only Ponce couldn't get through the
Starting point is 01:06:36 fifth round. He was dropped hard in the fifth, his corner stopped it between rounds. He said afterwards I'm happy at the end of the day to have a fight maybe stop too early and too late. He knows the damage that was put on him. But every pro fighter that was watching this fight ultimately echoed the same tweet. Could you imagine Matias against any other big 140 name?
Starting point is 01:06:57 He is a potential problem because he is willing to risk it all. But Luke, I think he does it just enough where it's not too reckless. It's smart. And unless you have the skill and quickness to avoid that barrage coming at you and try to expose him, you're inevitably going to have to stand and fight with him, and that's his goal and that's his plan. This is a good boon for those who follow PBC Boxing and Showtime closely and know the big names in and around this division. There's going to be some fun title fights made in the near future,
Starting point is 01:07:23 and I don't know if Subriel can hold on to the title for a long time, but like Michael Chandler, Luke, it's going to be a good time and it's going to be fun to watch. Yeah, that's exactly right. I don't know if he's going to be champion for a long time, but however long he's champion or in big fights, they're going to be fun. Folks. I really, really, if you don't have showtime, I don't know what you're doing, but if you've got it, I have YouTube TV and I have the showtime have the showtime um a subscription through my youtube tv so i went back and i watched the fight again this morning and i was like dude matthias is so fun and also i gotta give credit to ponce ponce from the that's one of the best first rounds for an american debut you'll ever see from a boxer would you agree with that bc first time time in the United States, first round,
Starting point is 01:08:05 you're fighting for a world title, and he absolutely hammered the guts of Matias. Matias clearly lost that round and just had to not hang on, but weather a bit of a storm there, right? Well, you love that attitude. When we hype up, oh, guys, this is going to be a great fight. Two guys that want it with exciting styles. Look at their power punch numbers. You hope it's going to be a great fight. Two guys that want it with exciting styles. Look at their power punch numbers.
Starting point is 01:08:25 You hope it's going to be that type of fight. How about the mindset of Ponce to say, American debut, not too many people know me, big opportunity, let me come out and just let it go and pull this guy into the deep waters. Luke, it ended up sinking him as we found out, but like you mentioned, could not ask for better intention for somebody who's looking to make their name known, and he did his best to go out there and do that i don't think he he suffers
Starting point is 01:08:48 huge from his first defeat here this is a close-up on american television he's willing and able to go in there and make fun fights i think he's going to be in a few of them moving forward yeah and i said this on the prelim broadcast about matthias he's from puerto rico which by the way like puerto rico just pumping out talent in boxing like it it's going out of style. They always have been probably always will be, but he is currently living in Mexico and has trees training there anyway. And he's been there for nine months and he's been away from his three daughters. And I was just like, dude, this guy has had a lot of moments in his life where he's been candidly a bit of a fuck up and he looks to have fixed them. And now he's really buckling down.
Starting point is 01:09:25 But if you're going to be away from your family for that long, the only acceptable outcome is victory. That is it. That is the only acceptable outcome. And he had to weather a bit of an early storm from Ponce, who wanted to make a show. But Matias, folks, I really, really, really want to encourage you to watch this fight for a very particular reason. The inside fighting was fun, but Matias has this ability,
Starting point is 01:09:43 and we talked about it in the pre-fight show. It doesn't matter if he's fully at jab distance or if the opponent is here he not only throws tons of punches in combination which is great but he has the ability to hit short angles like this like this like with the guys right up in front of him to do it quickly accurately and very powerfully so it so the opponent thinks they're in these safe kind of like really close-up distances where you can get a short shot through but there's not a whole lot with it but with matthias there's a ton behind it and it rattles guys and he uses the real subtle movements and switching in timing and switching in shoulders and switching in pace and switching in rhythm to then land ultimately the big left hook is his big weapon he landed it over and over again when he wanted to he is so fun to watch phone booth fighting is fun no matter what but a phone
Starting point is 01:10:31 booth fight with two skilled operators one of which can do it in these very tight short angles is a thing to behold you just don't see stuff like that for example if you're an MMA fan watching this MMA just doesn't offer you opportunities to get I mean yeah you get short shots all the time but not in this particular kind of way right where you're having to generate hardcore power with just a little bit of movement a little bit of separation and to do that through combination with speed and accuracy very very rare to see something like that Matias has it in spades now he doesn't have a whole lot of the rest of the game all that great in my judgment but that particular part of it wow wow, man, it's a sight to behold. Real quick on this division at 140 at the moment, Subriel Matias, now your WBC champion, Regis Progray, a promotional network free agent, or maybe at least network free agent, your W, no, maybe he's the, he's got another belt, Luke. I forgot which letter combination it is. Josh Taylor still has a world title,
Starting point is 01:11:26 and he's trying to get Teofimo Lopez. It's on the other side of the street. But under the extended Showtime PBC banner, there's that rumored fight, Luke, for I think it's April 8th, when Alberto Puello, who recently captured one of the titles that Josh Taylor was forced to give up, taking on Roley Romero. So you can start to do the math.
Starting point is 01:11:42 We got Progre out here. We got Pueo versus Romero. Now we got Subriel Matias. We have no shortage of big names, you know, considering Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia are fighting in a catchweight and both are going to be probably moving up to 140 soon. So it's going to get fun at 140 here in the near future. All right. That's it for our top five BC.
Starting point is 01:12:01 And now it is time for the donks to ask us questions. We put out posts on social media every Sunday. You guys fill it up, and then the producers pick questions from it. It's time for DMs from the old diggities. Yeah, hee-haw. Let's do it. Let's do it. Hee-haw to that shit.
Starting point is 01:12:18 All right, BC. First up from at strong illy. Well, I should say strong underscore Illy underscore 631. Worst name ever. Can you guys talk about John Lineker? Yes from one. And his stupidity, he says. I had him winning that fight, and he decided to do what he did.
Starting point is 01:12:35 BC, his corner, threw it. Not threw it. I'm sorry. They called it after the fourth, and he didn't actually end up going back out for the last round. I actually feel like that was very much the right call his manager alexis davis took to twitter the next day and said both of his eyes were completely shut he couldn't see his power had diminished even if he was up on the scorecards he was in a bad bad way i actually commend his corner i agree for calling it there yep what do we learn from from the quick silver method in Karate Kid Part 3?
Starting point is 01:13:08 Luke, a man can't see, he can't fight, but even more serious when you've got that level of damage between two sluggers in a rematch with a lot of intensity or going after it. It is good to see in that regard. Surprising, obviously, when you're talking about somebody like Lineker who we just look at as a blood and guts warrior looking to come in there and knock you out and do nothing else but uh I like to see the human
Starting point is 01:13:29 spirit come through when it's necessary to prevent the inevitable extreme damage that the sport that these sports offer Luke and that's a that's a nice little breakthrough there yeah also Fabrizio Andrade is accurate powerful quick you know and he was drilling Lineker at the end of that round four. I just feel like I understand what folks are saying. Wow, you're this close to potentially victory. At what cost? At what cost? Did you watch the whole card, Luke?
Starting point is 01:13:58 I piecemealed it. I didn't get to watch it. I did not watch the whole card. I watched that one, and I watched the Taiwan Chi fight, but that was it. Okay. All right. I did not watch the whole card. I watched that one and I watched the Taiwan Chi fight, but that was it. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 01:14:06 Okay. At paradox underscore in underscore Corpus, maybe Corpus Christi. I'll leave your corpse crispy down in Corpus Christi. As old self-titled one said, did you see Dana's quote? Who gives a shit comment regarding Connor causing some fighter replacements for the ultimate fighter thoughts? Yes. Dana famously very, very empathetic to people suffering, I've noticed. What are your thoughts?
Starting point is 01:14:28 So the argument is the extension of what we, when we ran that Gilbert Burns tweet, where there were fighters that were supposedly invited to Tough, showed up, and then found out that they weren't going to be contestants because Conor had his own people. Dana's response was, do you know how hard it is to get these superstars to you know agree to be on tough we've got to give them some leeway so it comes across very aggressive luke in the same weekend and we'll get into that shortly and have you seen this shit about dana's new challenge to the media but um yeah i mean it's it's i get it i get both sides actually i'm not i'm not dropping bombs on dana i do get both sides in this instance it'd be nice if you could sort all that shit out before people fly somewhere thinking
Starting point is 01:15:09 they're going to get the breakthrough opportunity of their career yeah that's pretty shitty but uh luca can i use this opportunity to bring up the other part of dana that i wanted to mention uh i thought you were going to do that and have you seen this oh no that's the other other part there's this other other part of dana did you see that very quietly dana and power slap announced that their their end of the season card will not be a pay-per-view like originally uh thought instead will be airing free to air on uh what's that uh what's that right angle youtube equivalent oh rumble rumble young man rumble the Slap pay-per-view that will close this year, that, by the way, forces the Peter Yan versus San Hagen fight
Starting point is 01:15:51 to the Virgin Hotel rather than the Apex the same night is going to be live on Rumble, baby. Your thoughts, Luke? Hey, if you're interested in Bohemian Grove and other conspiracy theories and want to catch a little slapping along the way, Rumble's the place for you. Luke, we have a visitor.
Starting point is 01:16:11 We have a visitor. Nobody's home, so I'm doing the show with the door open, Luke. Reggie Jackson's back, dude. Check him out. Hey, Reggie. Hey, Reg. He gets very nervous.
Starting point is 01:16:22 Reggie's not happy right now. Yeah, he wants just me, Luke. He doesn't want you here or the cameras. He just wants to probably bite me and stuff. But for weird cats, Luke, he's probably the coolest weird cat of all time. I got to tell you, you don't put collars on your animals, and that's a little bit disconcerting. I only have collars on the dogs, not the cats. That's his natural skin inflection there and fur and color.
Starting point is 01:16:43 Look at this guy. He's the best, right? Yeah, I hope Reggie smacks your stupid ass face he's more of a biter luke than anything let's see your cat's butthole show it to the audience yeah yeah yeah we got enough we show enough buttholes on this show luke okay we don't need to go any dude we got to put reggie jackson on only fans and just show pictures of a hundred bucks a sub do you think he would make more than an average ufc fighter if that was the deal luke probably he might dude he'd be competitive old reggie's the best he's he do you mind if he's if he joins us for the rest of the show luke this is not at all i like reggie okay okay good reggie's the man uh okay bc so we go now to at cole underscore brown 858 what did you
Starting point is 01:17:20 think of mvp making his commentary debut on the bellator prelims i actually did not hear dude i didn't hear that at all i was watching those briefly with the sound down i didn't hear that at all no i missed that we did now in fairness we did a sit down with mvp when we were in london and we greatly enjoyed it we found him to be very smart and thoughtful and have a very interesting things to say he likes to hear his commentary did you know I just found out from our great producer Mikey Mormyle that our Michael Venom Page Room Service Diaries episode comes out tomorrow, Luke? Are you kidding me? Yes, I'm reading
Starting point is 01:17:52 that now for the first time as well. That is very good because I think his fight is coming up on, what, the 10th? Yeah, I mean, what a stretch for youtube.com slash morningcombat for bonus content, Luke. We got a Valentina Shevchenko interview that's out right now with your boy BC setting the stage for this Saturday's title defense
Starting point is 01:18:09 and coming hard in the direction of Aaron Blanchfield. So check that out. Luke, you've got some interesting grappling interviews out there, right? Yeah, I still haven't put it out yet, but we have the interview with Mo Jassim from ADCC, and I asked him straight up about why you guys don't drug test at all. And it's an interesting answer it's an interesting answer uh you guys are gonna be in for one yeah we got great content nobody makes great content like us i mean look at this feline content whatever you need all right all right uh at vin miniti asks hey what the
Starting point is 01:18:43 fuck happened to crone gracie assuming he done, any other prospects that you can think of who fell off due to inactivity, not injury, or not losing? Well, he did lose to Cub Swanson. He fought his balls off that fight. He tried to have a stand-up game, and I was impressed by his intention. I've been meaning to ask some folks I know in Diaz's camp about it. I just keep forgetting to do it, but I don't know what happened. I guess he's not interested in competing.
Starting point is 01:19:07 Who do you think would win an MMA match right now? Dylan Danis versus Krohn Gracie? Krohn. Why would Krohn lose that match? Krohn's better at Jiu Jitsu by a million miles than Dylan. Krohn is a legit world
Starting point is 01:19:21 champion. I think in and outside of the Gi. Alright, let's even the matchup a little bit. Gracie with Crohn's disease versus Dylan Dennis. Now, Crohn is much smaller, I think. Crohn's about 145. I think Dylan's closer to 170-ish. Who the hell knows what he is these days.
Starting point is 01:19:38 So there is that, but in terms of skill for skill, Crohn is way better. All right, lastly, but not leastly, at Kyle Hank Levy, sounds like a serial killer, BC, which 80s NBA player would have been the best combat sports athlete? 80s NBA player. All right.
Starting point is 01:20:00 Do you remember that stretch in the mid-80s when the Washington Bullets became a legitimate Eastern Conference power? And they had 1978 world champions. Fuck face damn right baltimore bullets they had a uh legitimate center and jeff ruling but they had rick mahorn at power ford luke and mahorn was a dirty dude and i you know i mean i i loved when he joined the sixers as a free agent 1990 reggie jackson's a beast and uh and uh him and Barkley had that no layup rule where they basically if you drove the lane, they'd put you in the front row and then David Stern had to jump in because the Sixers were
Starting point is 01:20:31 about to play Jordan in the playoffs and they had to cancel that. Give me Rick Mahorn at heavyweight, Luke, 6'10", jacked, angry and mean. Right? Come on. Rick Mahorn's a good one. How was the answer? I guess is Lambeer more 90s? Lambeer's prime 80s.
Starting point is 01:20:47 He made the all-star team of the league in rebounding one year. Yeah, prime 80s. So, I mean, Lambeer is probably a good fit, right? I mean. Yeah, but for as much as he was willing to be dirty and get into fights, he also took a lot of punches, too. I mean, remember when Robert Parrish in the 87 conference finals gave him that three-piece and didn't even get thrown out of the game?
Starting point is 01:21:10 Dude, look at Reggie. I think Reggie loves you, bro. No, no. I'm his person. He chose me to be his person, Luke. He doesn't like anybody else in this house but me, all right? Yo, Reggie is not fighting to get out. He's rubbing chins with you.
Starting point is 01:21:24 Yeah, but you know what he's actually doing? wants to get so i have these these soundproof ceiling foam things all over his goal is to pull them down so he climbs up on top of my record thing and hangs from the ceiling luke by one nail and tries to yank the things down he's relentless about it see the thing about reggie jacks he's real cute and stuff luke, but he don't give a fuck. It's his way or no way. He does not care. He's a domestic terrorist. He's a domestic terrorist. He's kind of like how you call me Osama bin Campbell on this show
Starting point is 01:21:52 because I'll always turn against you and take the fan side. Luke, he's like that on the regular in our house. He don't care. He don't care. If another animal is sleeping, he'll run right over and bite them in the face and wake them up to take their bed. Luke, he doesn't care. He's not afraid of dogs.
Starting point is 01:22:06 Booker, old Moko, rest in peace. Old Moko and El Cielo. He did two things when we had him. One, I couldn't give my wife flowers because he would eat them. He would eat the flowers. Oh, yeah. And then two, I couldn't leave mail out on the kitchen table. He would shred it.
Starting point is 01:22:21 Oh, wow. Moko don't play, dude. No, he didn't. M't moco was the man all right that is it for all of that it is time for bc species all right red you ready for this let's do this luke i scoured the globe yesterday for the highs and lows the good the bad the ugly the in between from the worlds of combat sports and usually beyond this is have you seen this shit let's do it reg all right you ready oh god oh god uh luke ufc vegas was tatiana suarez's come back night listen to this aggro emotional victory yell after getting the submission in the second round against De La Rosa. That's what I'm doing. Tatiana Suarez.
Starting point is 01:23:09 Back in a big way. Second round submission. Still undefeated. And look out for Tatiana Suarez. Oh, yeah. Look out is right. I mean, she took a gamble, took a big chance going for that guillotine, giving up top position, but it paid off.
Starting point is 01:23:30 Luke, say what you will, and you did earlier. She's big, strong, and intense in any weight class, and that was a lot of four-year frustration she just screamed out there. Listen, I'm excited to see more. I just want to see more. That's all. All right, quickly, I mentioned earlier how impressed I was at her determination. Here's her post-fight interview talking about the hard work it took to see more. I just want to see more. That's all. All right, quickly, I mentioned earlier how impressed I was at her determination. Here's her post-fight interview talking about the hard work it took to get here. I think they should give me a really good opponent, you know, a good opponent at show weight.
Starting point is 01:23:55 And then, you know, I'll earn it. You know, I don't, I've never been given anything in my life. I've always earned it. And I don't mind doing that because I think, you know, that builds character, you know, and you got to work for the things that you get in your life. And I don't mind doing that because that's how my mom raised me and my grandma raised me. Look, you know, that saying hard work beats talent. You know, I guess they say when talent doesn't work hard, but that's right.
Starting point is 01:24:23 There's times when hard work, even when talent is working hard that hard work and determination just straight up laps talent and uh dude she's talented but she's a you can tell from that response bring on the hell she's gonna walk through it i love her attitude again i love her attitude i i have loved her game um i'm curious about the road ahead Alright, hey Jordan Leavitt not Joseph Gordon Leavitt Luke had a big night as well at UFC Fight Night here's the TKO one he scored against Victor Martinez and it was nasty
Starting point is 01:24:54 Yeah this was good from from Leavitt the world's most dangerous Mormon Yeah he added a little levity too in his celebration there I mean this looked like Anderson Silva versus Rich Franklin, one and two. I mean, it didn't look like that. All right.
Starting point is 01:25:10 Well, here's his celebration upon getting his hand raised. Luke, your thoughts on this? Does he twerk? The split, yeah. Oh, my God. That's a real one, Luke. That's not a fake one. That's like down to the grundle.
Starting point is 01:25:22 He put grundle on the mat there. He put grundle on the mat there. He put grundle on the mat there. Yes, BC. If I physically forced you to do that, would you ever walk again? Not without crutches. Okay, there you go. And finally, Luke, Jordan Levitt added one more touch to this shit. Here is his dirty dancing inspired celebration.
Starting point is 01:25:43 He, in fact, had the time of his life. And he's never felt that way before. Look, my man doing the lifting, you notice where his hand position is? Right? Hands not overhead where you can fall back. He puts his hands out in front. You see? Yeah, right on the boobs.
Starting point is 01:26:00 Yeah, he went right for that. That's second base, dude. Look at the angle between his arm and his head. It's not directly overhead. It's kind of in front. So that way he can keep the weight in front of him. Yep. More from the Apex on Saturday, Luke.
Starting point is 01:26:16 We know that Ryan Spann did not get Nikita Krylov in the main event as promised. He was much more emotional than I expected afterwards. Let's see Spann's reaction. The plan was to go back to work Monday either way so I guess that's what we're gonna have to do so that it isn't wasted the disappointment comes from me not getting to show off some of the shit that we've been doing they my team They invested a lot of time in me And uh Look do we not focus enough About the price that comes when these things happen? Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure.
Starting point is 01:27:12 Like, you know, with the thing about the – I mean, here's the thing about the Dana thing where he was like, who gives a shit? It's a really mean way to say it, but I sort of understand a little bit of his point being like, dude, Conor's powerful. When you negotiate with powerful people, they take things in the contract it's just kind of how it goes you're not going to get everything you want they're not going to everything they want but
Starting point is 01:27:31 they're going to get stuff they're going to get stuff and he got stuff and like i i sort of get that i really do but he said he's going to take care of them some of them are going to appear on some upcoming fights like he's not just going to leave them twisting in the wind i hope he didn't leave ryan span who did nothing wrong, weighed in, made weight, was ready to go. I hope there's some kind of compensation for him financially or just something to keep him moving. Because, dude, these guys, they don't necessarily make a lot in a lot of cases.
Starting point is 01:27:57 And it's so time-consuming to get good at MMA. When he talks about these guys investing time in him, I understand that, man. You want to deliver for people who have given you things. You don't want to just take. You know if he got his show money? He probably got at least that, right? Well, so here's how the contracts work unless they've changed.
Starting point is 01:28:16 There's no such thing as show and win in your contract. Show and win is words that we use, but it doesn't appear anywhere in there. What happens is the deal, and we dealt with this with Tony Ferguson when Habib fell out. He was like, oh, I made weight. I showed. I should get my money. But these are just words we use that have no relationship to the contractual realities. In the contract, if you win, you get your, if you complete the bout, you get your purse. And the way it's described in the contract is, if you win, you get a bonus, usually the same amount. So 20 and 20, 10 and 10,
Starting point is 01:28:48 whatever it may end up being. So you have to complete the bout to get any of your money unless the UFC is simply being generous. We hope, in this case, they're being generous. Yeah, like Taichi Palace, I hope he gets promised something, Luke, for doing this. But unlike Taichi, I hope
Starting point is 01:29:04 that Dana comes through. Hey, let's go to lightweight Trevor Peek. He won his UFC debut with a KO1 of Eric Gonzalez at the buzzer. Your thoughts? Yeah, that was sick. That's his UFC debut, too. He was letting him have it. My man needs a tan, though.
Starting point is 01:29:21 That's okay. He's got that Miguel Cotto, Ivan Redcoch arm tat going on. I like that that's pretty nasty it's a tribal tattoo yeah yeah yeah there you go well done there Trevor Peek Luke the curtain jerker on Saturday's card involved lightweight Norillo Aviev from Tajikistan making his UFC debut he got the win let's check out this interview which has a live shot of an outdoor stadium at 3 a.m. in his home country. Look at this reception.
Starting point is 01:29:51 It's 3 a.m. there right now. 3 a.m. night, 10 million человек in stadium. New rule law. First fight UFC. Hey, yesterday my father called me new rule law. You fight winner. New rule of first fight UFC hey Yesterday my father called me in the law You fight winner Come come look at look at this my father
Starting point is 01:30:19 Yesterday I call me the rule of fight winner come your wedding day Your wedding day. Oh, no way Congratulations, Dana, 50K brother. Hey, come. Welcome, Dana. Show my country 25 hour and fly. Well, you are just as good on the microphone as you are in the cage. Congratulations.
Starting point is 01:30:38 The first ever fighter to represent Tajikistan, Naruno Ali, ladies and gentlemen. Look, I'm never... Yeah, he's good too. He can fight. I'm never going to tire of when someone wins a championship and they fly back to their home country and the airport welcomes them or stuff like this.
Starting point is 01:30:56 Dude, he wants 50K. There may have been 50K in that stadium watching him in the middle of the night. That's awesome. BC, was there a single woman in that audience? Didn't look like it. Oh, how dare you? audience didn't look like oh how dare you oh dear i mean how dare you right am i not allowed to point out there's not any women anywhere around like i mean could you imagine if we had a big moment like us hosting that mk in the uk live show imagine if there was also a stadium in jersey city of people
Starting point is 01:31:21 filled just wanting to have a watch party. It's pretty cool. Also, not much to do in Tajikistan, but still pretty cool. Alright. Hey, Jake Paul and Tommy Fury from Saudi Arabia time. Let's go to Badu Jack in this co-main event. 39 years old. Dude, I did not mean to dismiss his chances here against 35-year-old
Starting point is 01:31:40 Olunga Makabu in their WBC Cruiserweight title bout, but Luke, I've watched Badu jack's last four or five fights he's won them all they were against let's say let's be honest journeyman level competition and at times he struggled but dude he went back to to training like a like a champion again and the difference here against makabu who did snap a year plus layoff shocked scored a knockdown and then that final round, man, got the stoppage. BC, here's what really gets me.
Starting point is 01:32:09 I want folks to pay attention to something. Look at the angles that Badou Jack has. Look at the lead foot angle that Badou Jack has. He is so far to the outside. Look at him move, step around, right hand, boom. It is amazing the angles he was able to this is what they mean when they say hit them from angles it means that taking an angle like that makabu had no answer for it all night long i saw an interview with amir abdullah who has been in
Starting point is 01:32:40 badu jack's corner from the beginning seemingly one of his manager supporters and he was saying that they had open scoring for this fight through the WBC, so they had access to it after the 8th round I think they saw it again in the 10th, and what they basically said was the fight was a lot closer than we thought it should have been so they implored Jack to come on and Luke, I'm going to be honest, I thought he would have gassed in this situation if the fight was this competitive
Starting point is 01:33:00 and it was. It was Makabu who kind of gassed It was Makabu who, with that long layoff just wasn't what we're used to but on top of that like you mentioned jack stuck to the fundamentals of boxing he had better footwork quicker hands as the smaller fighter moving up and dude three division champion now and let's put some respect on his name when badu first got knocked out on showtime by derrick edwards i think it was a showbox fight back in the day. We were like, yeah, see? Another Floyd Mayweather promoted fighter
Starting point is 01:33:28 who's not going anywhere. There's a lot of hate online for that. What Badu did was he got up off the canvas, worked his way back into title contention, won a title in two divisions, was a part of so many fight of the year contenders. Remember the one with James DeGale? Got the wrong end of a few very high profile draws,
Starting point is 01:33:46 but never stopped cooking, Luke. And look at this, 39-years-old three-division champion, and this was a very legit win. So shout-out to Badou Jack. Shout-out to the sports washing on that broadcast. Boy, they wanted to let you know that the kingdom of Saudi Arabia was the place to be, did they not? They said the words the kingdom of Saudi Arabia probably 10,000 times. I mean, hey, if you get caught making beer in your house because alcohol is strictly prohibited, They said the words the kingdom of Saudi Arabia probably 10,000 times.
Starting point is 01:34:09 I mean, hey, if you get caught making beer in your house because alcohol is strictly prohibited, they'll lash you and potentially throw you in jail and potentially even deport you. But sure, kingdom of Saudi Arabia, a great place to be. Well, it wasn't like the WWE events there where they run these propaganda videos about the country's social turnaround. But here's footage, Luke, of the ending where Jack finished off Makabu in round 12. And you know what? How about this? The first Muslim fighter to win a championship in Saudi Arabia and in the Islamic world
Starting point is 01:34:34 is how they framed it, Luke. So happy for Badu, who walked out with Mike Tyson. You know, it was a big event there. I mean, there was a lot of sports washing going on, but a big night for those involved. Let's keep it going there. Here's a weird ending to the jake paul tommy fury face to face not sure if you saw this shit luke and jake fist bump are we ready for war two gentlemen there it is see you on sunday night i'll see you i'll see you at the way in first though
Starting point is 01:35:00 i'll see you sunday night and at the weigh-in. At the weigh-in, yeah. I just, yeah. Whatever you want. Yeah. The truth, February 26th in Daria. Local time in Saudi, in Riyadh, 10 p.m. Jake Paul, Tommy Fury. We will find out who is a contender, who is a boxer, who is the truth? Somebody kiss. It's turned into like a Barstool Sunday conversation. How much time you got?
Starting point is 01:35:55 This is how me and BC plan most shows. I swear to God, I will sit here until Sunday night. See, but I don't sleep as for mental. You're going to have to sleep. We do know that's not good. That's not good. You do not have to sleep. That's not good if you don't sleep.
Starting point is 01:36:11 That's not good if you don't sleep. I never sleep. Yeah, I've had about enough of this shit. Luke, we'll show a still picture. Dude, I'm literally getting emails from Rumble now about the PowerSnap live finale. Oh, you better.
Starting point is 01:36:24 You better believe it. Luke, what did you make? I'm not going to play itumble now about the PowerSnap live finale. Oh, you better. You better believe it. Luke, what did you make? I'm not going to play it here as we show footage of Jake entering the arena in a ski mask, trying to echo what Floyd Mayweather wore on his way into the Conor McGregor fight. But what did you make of that locker room interview before the main event where Jake just kept nervously saying, ha ha? I'm not sure I watched that one either. Oh boy, you would have had a lot to say about that can we
Starting point is 01:36:45 show quickly the uh ski mask entrance and there you go luke is that cool the balaclava yeah that's what that's called by the way okay i'm sorry luke uh the baklava the greek dessert very well done there jake lava it's balaclava and luke here people were wondering if we would play it here's your interview of the weekend in combat sports. It was during the Jake Paul-Tommy Fury fight, and it's Radio Raheem interviewing brother Logan Paul ringside. Jake, I love you. I'm not going to give you a big speech.
Starting point is 01:37:14 I know you got this, but either come back victorious or come back on your shield. I love you, bro. I love you too, man. How do you feel like he's doing so far in the fight? I saw someone on Twitter. I saw someone on Twitter being like, it's like when the waiter tells you have a great meal
Starting point is 01:37:33 and then you tell them back, you too. It's like, right, no. Sorry, Radio Raheem. He was talking to his brother. And then it cut off quickly, but what did you make? I thought this was actually pretty cool. They ran that interview on the house audio so everybody in the stadium could hear it and did you hear him go hey i heard this part hey tommy fury you suck and you're gonna gas out i mean that was actually
Starting point is 01:37:53 pretty funny look yeah and then he said every fury is a bitch and i was like well yeah john may gouge out your eye but other than that i mean luke radio raheem has been around for a while it wasn't his best night when he told Jake, you're a fucking warrior, you know? Listen, I think, listen, I'll just say this. Broadcasting is hard, and I've certainly had my own issues. He who's without sin cast the first stone. True.
Starting point is 01:38:19 Looked to me like old Radio Raheem, a little bit nervous. A little bit nervous. I don't know about that. I just know that this is Brian Campbell talking about Radio Raheem. Back to our shit countdown, Luke. Let's go to Showtime Boxing in Minneapolis. No shit here, but Luke, check out Superyol Matias' walk to the ring. You know you have status if you walk out with a current rapper.
Starting point is 01:38:40 Matias is like, nah, let me get a Buelo. And let's listen to this, Luke. Yo. matthias is like nah let me get a vuelo and let's listen to this luke yo I love it. It's just like sticking your middle finger in the face. That's legit as hell right there. Yeah, yeah, that is. That guy brings it, no question. I mean, we've seen mariachi bands.
Starting point is 01:39:19 We've seen the rap thing. I don't know if I've seen this. This was great. That was amazing. Luke, we mentioned matthias had the big breakthrough the knockdown of jeremias ponce in round five that led to the victory between rounds here's a look at the combination that led to this knockdown look at this dude look at the angle on these punches and how much he's able to get on them and the flurry
Starting point is 01:39:39 and the amount of them he is so devastating on the inside and Ponce credit he stands he answers the bell look at this switching angles on him like this look at the flurry the hand speed oh my lord he is and it's all accurate it's all accurate man it's a typhoon of power shots let's go to the opening fight of the night how about Elvis Rodriguez taking on Joseph Adorno Rodriguez would go on to win a decision but look at this knockdown I don't know how Adorno. Rodriguez would go on to win a decision, but look at this knockdown. I don't know how Adorno survived this punch. He ate this one clean, yeah. And he got up and was throwing,
Starting point is 01:40:12 and Luke, I'm never going to discount Adorno's toughness, and he always brings it, but came up empty in the end in this one, but a good win for Elvis Rodriguez, the Freddie Roach-coached product. There you go. Adorno's tough, but he ate that punch clean. Well, Luke, you and I called the prelims,
Starting point is 01:40:29 and let's go to the audio here. Here's Willie Jones, a 31-year-old journeyman trained by Ronnie Shields, though, taking on, I think it was 18-year-old prospect Derek Diesel Jackson. Let's see what happened here in round one. Excuse me. Oh, my word!
Starting point is 01:40:48 And that's the fight right there. Willie Jones demolishing Derek Jackson in just one round. Just like that. That was a quick one. Wow. Derek Jackson was undefeated. Now he's
Starting point is 01:41:04 got a loss on his record. What a shot. There were Willie Jones. Dude, that was surprising as shit, man. Journeyman guy. Someone on Twitter wrote, only Derrick James could take a 31-year-old 8-2 record guy and have him completely not just beat,
Starting point is 01:41:23 but basically one punch ko a top prospect folks don't understand the guy who got knocked out right yeah who did i say derrick jackson derrick james derrick james sorry ronnie shields i apologize only ronnie shields could do that to a guy who was uh i think eight and two 31 years old against this undefeated rising prospect that pbc had kind of slotted as like the guy to watch, watch out careful. Yeah. Watch out.
Starting point is 01:41:48 Be careful what you asked for there. Let's go to the MMA. Luke, here's your celebration of the week. Oh, Oh, Oh, that's why the commission doesn't let you do that.
Starting point is 01:42:00 Yeah. When being cool goes dangerously wrong. That's not, that's great. All right. All right. All right. Hey, Luke, there weren't a lot of people there, but Floyd Mayweather defeated Aaron Chalmers by decision
Starting point is 01:42:11 in their exhibition match in an empty O2 arena in London. Chalmers, a former Bellator fighter and reality TV star in the UK. And here's Floyd between rounds just chilling. Your thoughts? Just taking money from these donks. With impunity. What did you think of the
Starting point is 01:42:31 Union Jack boxers there? You got to wear those next time we go to the UK. I think I do. I think I do. This wasn't the viral highlight that came out of this, Luke. Look at Floyd's moves mid-round. Oh man, he's just out here. Look at Floyd's moves mid-round. Oh, man. He's just out here styling. It was that kind of night for Floyd.
Starting point is 01:42:53 All right. Hey, time for some tomato dick. Have you ever seen this at the produce stand, Luke? I was about to say, where is... Wow. That is... I mean, look at the unit on that guy, right? Wow. He's got the butthole right the unit on that guy, right? Wow.
Starting point is 01:43:05 He's got the butthole right under the dick. Right under it. Yep. Do you check that for firmness? Do you squeeze it? I don't really know how to handle that, to be fair. That's a lot going on there. I wouldn't eat that tomato.
Starting point is 01:43:15 Would you eat that tomato? Nah. Well, you know, I might be curious. I might be Kratom curious enough to... Are you tomato dong curious? If I'm on a pirate ship and I'm alone, Luke, does that answer the question? All right. Hey, you ever know those weirdos who put stuffed animals in the back window of their car?
Starting point is 01:43:30 You ever see those people, Luke? Yes. Losers, you mean? Yeah. Some people take that to the next level. Check out this car at the gas station. All right. Can we just set this thing on fire?
Starting point is 01:43:39 I mean, looks like Anderson Silva's action figure room action figure room right i tell you what if you're gonna drive a 1988 dodge omni you might as well just make it look as dumb as possible right what kind of car is that uh well uh you know uh it looks like an average mid-sized four-door sedan there what it looks like you ever seen like the underside of a table at a public high school and how it's covered in gum yes that's what it looks like yeah i had a science teacher in eighth grade who would take a baseball bat in the middle while we're taking tests slam it down on a top of a desk to like scare people and all the gross gum would fall on the floor luke it was great i had a teacher in ninth grade who told us that he believed that the devil created monkeys to trick man into believing into evolution.
Starting point is 01:44:26 I'm glad I don't live in Georgia anymore. Anyway. That's why we can't do a live show at Big Chicken because of you, Luke. So that actually was not. That was actually in a place called Valdosta, Georgia, not Marietta. That's much deeper south, but the point still stands. I'm glad to be gone. All right.
Starting point is 01:44:40 There you go. Hey, weird moments in weightlifting. This always gets a pop out of you. Yeah. I was waiting for the fat dude. I got to something not nearly enough elder abuse recently you've been slipping you've been slipping all right sorry sorry i slipped i've fallen i can't get up you know i've slipped i've fallen i've gots to get up luke here's some kettleball juggling you ever see this move they didn't get the yeah so this is yeah okay so this is a real thing with kettlebells really yeah this is a real thing so itbells. Really? Yeah, this is a real thing.
Starting point is 01:45:05 So it's to promote hand-eye coordination. By the way, she's good. She's actually really good. That's surprising. For a lunch lady? She's a big old hefty lady, and that's actually a surprising level of skill. Yeah, for an aging waitress, Luke, she's got it. I want to be clear.
Starting point is 01:45:22 This is like a style of using the kettlebell. It's very different. This competition kettlebell is what they would call it in fact that kettlebell is a competition kettlebell um so the competition kettlebells the reason why you can tell them the the they're different is they usually are colored but they're all the same size they just weigh different depending on um obviously whatever the weight is a cast iron kettlebell will be bigger each time it gets uh bigger in weight this is uh the competition ones are all the same size yeah luke uh my mom just mailed me this t-shirt just is this on brand luke it's a kettlebell that's really a cheeseburger
Starting point is 01:45:57 and it says all day every day at the bottom you know let me see it again i didn't see it because my thing froze show me one more time cheap meals special burgers fries and gains yo that's that shirt rules bro yeah all day she actually bought it because of the all day every day thing luke because she loves mk so much but uh um it is on brand for my health unfortunately unfortunately luke let's keep this countdown going uh there's a good one today okay, Luke, let's keep this countdown going. There's a good one today. Okay,
Starting point is 01:46:27 let's see. Let's go to weightlifting more here. Here's some deadlifts, but I never thought about mixing acupuncture with deadlifting. Okay. All right. Just get fucked loser. I mean,
Starting point is 01:46:39 I mean, his deadlift is clean. Yeah, very clean. I hope you, I mean, his deadlift is clean. Yeah, very clean. I genuinely hope these guys get paralyzed. Wow, Luke. Okay, all right. Hey, it's Jon Jones Fight Week, Luke.
Starting point is 01:46:57 Let's dance, all right? Check out this interview he did with Brazil's Finest. What's her name, Luke? Evie Rodriguez. Evie Rodriguez. I always mispronounce her first. Evie Rodriguez, but yeah. Yeah, Evie, great. Big fan. Big fan of her work. She sat down with Jon Jones ahead of this weekend's UFC 2845, one of the two.
Starting point is 01:47:16 I got you. You got music? Yeah, I do. All right, let's do it. Here we go. That's all I got. Good job. Thank you. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:47:34 Look, outside of us criticizing John's comments about Francis Ngannou, it has seemed this has been a wholesome John Jones return up to this point. Would you agree? He's playing the baby face. Yeah, for now, until he gets arrested for setting off fireworks at 3 a.m. or whatever he's going to do, and then we're all back to where we are. But yeah, yeah. In this portion of the cycle, he's in the good part, yeah.
Starting point is 01:47:57 Speaking of cycling. No, just kidding. From one Luke enemy to another, Luke, it's time for a new segment alert. This one's called This Week in Danaana white how about this luke he sat down with robbie fox of your mom's basement yesterday for a surprise interview and here's the big revelation in my uh mentions and dms this morning let's hear from dana we went through covid you know and i had to listen all the bullshit as we went through covid and then after i came out with a uh you know a little documentary i did about the media going into covid which is going to be even bigger i'm working on even a bigger a bigger piece
Starting point is 01:48:30 about the media and the guys oh my god another one wait till you see this bad boy we've been working are you gonna put the are you gonna put their faces on it like they were the mob again publications names what they said the whole deal it's gonna live for up and i'll do the same thing with powerslap once this thing once we get where we're going apparently they're going to rumble luke okay so uh hopefully he posts his new documentary yeah i mean i don't even know what to say but it's like dude here's the crazy part about this it's like the mma media is so captured at this point it's like the most obsequious media in all of sports media or certainly in the running for it i mean i guess after the weekend boxing
Starting point is 01:49:18 media is up for you know that too but uh and yet still complaining about the unfair coverage it's like shocking it's like truly shocking it's like dude no one benefits from more soft coverage than the ufc and he's still bitter about people by the way it's not just mma media i'll be curious to see this thing uh okay do you think he doesn't know let's talk about that four minute hit piece that he put out and it's back up it's back live again and of course unfortunately i'm at the center of it cbs sports is brandon wise my editor is at the center of it uh when he joined my podcast um we all know that was like fake news he took everything for the most part out of context he they they ran a picture of a column i wrote that had nothing to do with covid and made it and used it right um do you think he even knows that i don't think i don't know what
Starting point is 01:50:07 he knows or even cares about he just wants to lash out i'll just tell you that if it's anything like the last one i can't wait to fact check it because the last one was just basically totally bogus nonsense and uh yeah i mean if you really want to go to the mat and saying everyone's wrong about powerslap i you know i please by all means great well he claims in the in the interview was mostly powerslap centered with robbie and we like robbie by the way shout out to robbie fox he doesn't hide from who he is luke okay so at the very least i i respect that he's nice to me he's definitely nice he's a very nice guy in person but But the thing Dana said was ultimately that they are successful because the Power Slap is doing billions of hits on social, and he thought it could do millions after seeing it for the first time.
Starting point is 01:50:54 So because it's doing billions on social. That's the thing. I tweeted about this earlier a couple weeks ago. This is the gamble that they're making. It's actually a fairly interesting gamble when you think about it. Not to say that they're right, but that the gamble itself is worth thinking about. He,
Starting point is 01:51:08 they're basically making the argument. They're like, wow, look at this thing that popped up on my phone and how much traffic it does and how much attention it's able to claim. If it can do this much on my phone, can we take a TV version of it and capture some of that audience for that medium?
Starting point is 01:51:23 Right. Can we take it from the phone and put it there? And of course you can recycle all that for the phone as well but like can you actually make programming from something an experience like this and i have a feeling that slap actually does work to some degree on the phone for virality but i don't know that you can build television programming around it where you have to sell advertising against it that to me is a lot can you make that transition i guess we'll see but probably not all right if this comes if they come out with this power slap hit piece video and if you are not mentioned or shown one time during it will you be disappointed no surprised i'd be surprised if i don't if i'm over two i'd be surprised but uh i
Starting point is 01:52:08 don't i wasn't the only like there were a lot okay let's ask this question like and you know it's funny because i was very critical of how the usc handled kovat at least early we're now since passed all of that but uh well the tachi palace thing anyway and uh but i definitely was not the heaviest critic for the power slap. There was a lot of people that went way harder in the paint than me. I don't know. I guess we'll see. Okay.
Starting point is 01:52:31 Luke, it's hard for me to always transition to the low-hanging fruit of, oh, Dana, you insult me. I bring up YMI cliffs in the YMA clove, Luke. But remember when Dean Thomas was on the show, and he talked how bad he felt for Dana that time time oh look this next video could have been dana but he playing oh big oh big bertha just went straight down to the drink see how easy it is dana look at that lady she she can do it this is better do it. This is better than the other lady there who just kind of...
Starting point is 01:53:08 Yeah, I couldn't run that one. I felt too bad for that lady. The big country? Yeah. I don't know. I'm not sure what she was trying to achieve here, but it looks like she's trying to run face-first into the water, in which case, well done. She felt like a challenge. Yeah, I think it was a belly flop challenge, or at least I'd like to believe that. Luke, we played some NXT video
Starting point is 01:53:23 in the past of former Bellator fighter Valerie Lareda, now lola vice having her first televised match she just had her second one luke and according to lola you can't handle the heat the miami heat what is the middle team oh all right modified hip attack there oh i think that that just puts the wrong button for Sol Ruka. We were feeling the Miami Heat briefly. Yeah. But Sol tries to come back, but Lola, there's a cover. Luke, would you volunteer to take that finishing move attempt?
Starting point is 01:54:02 The rare view, I think is what they should call it you know i maybe i maybe dean is right i may have to retract all of my power slap criticism because watching that i don't know how adults watch that either candidly you know all right but hey i don't watch anymore so don't don't clown on me all right i watch i watch bare knuckle fighting ko of the week time luke and let's go to the BKFC Friday Night Heavyweight Championship on the line. And Alan Belcher just took that title, Luke. Round one. Damn.
Starting point is 01:54:33 I mean, his hand was way down. He just kind of pushed into it. It's a nice shot. There's Chris Lytle. There's a new heavyweight champion, and I bet you lamar hunt is calling luke or maybe lorenzo your choice on that one yeah he gets him to extend he gets him to bite on the fake and gets him to extend and uh pops him with it alan belcher alan belcher yeah i gotta say this luke you know doesn't have like what do you say he doesn't have actually really good on bkfc
Starting point is 01:55:02 title to claim he doesn't have all the great accolades but he's got that who's the more Paul Harris win and he's out here still knuckling people into the dirt and bkfc it's pretty cool oh my audio went out if I talked over you there Luke I'm sorry all right I couldn't it's okay I couldn't my zoom is freezing so that's what that's the issue all right well hey let's keep out let's keep counting down these ko's of the week to close here let's go to the Muay thai ring yeah oh jesus he got hit with the old conlan blah and the mouthpiece went out too good lord well look at the collective effort of like five people to save this guy from ruin right yeah boy talk about testifying in church my man lifted the arms lord let's go to this mma. It's called FCR and Bernardo.
Starting point is 01:55:45 So pie just commandeered the Bantamweight world title. Let's check it out. Popped him coming in. Wow. Question will back tattoo, but you know, nice finish. Luke. Woo. Very nice finish. One hitter quitter good shot
Starting point is 01:56:06 bc i'm where are the old people on scooters i'm really i don't know if we have them we got a couple more left speaking of tattoos it's time to rate that tat luke ufc retired fighter edition let's go over to chris lieben who's actually a decent follow on instagram here's his new thigh tat. It's not bad. I like the color a lot. It's a little much. It's a little much with the head being cut off, but it's not bad. Usually with Japanese, you would have some kind of broader context or in terms of the overall piece, like you would have a design behind it.
Starting point is 01:56:45 This is just the figure itself. But it's not terribly done. All right, Luke, you mentioned that the UK cuisine was not up to our liking at the most average level for the most part. We ordered things that we thought were familiar, but they were just oddly shaped or out of place. Does this next video sum up our UK eating experience or what?
Starting point is 01:57:13 No, because that looks delicious. And this guy looks like a dumbass. Yeah, why don't you wear a white shirt for a croissant the size of a volkswagen you fuck boy all right uh let's go over to my hat to luke you know one of my favorite mma fighters who's set to make his pfl debut he recently purchased a new gun safe that's actually very responsible i'm glad to see that actually i'm all right with that. I grew up in a house with a gun safe.
Starting point is 01:57:47 You got to keep your valuables protected, Luke, and Maheta is doing that right now. New baby. No, listen. Responsible gun ownership, two thumbs up from this guy. Now, he's also got weapons of war in there, and I realize that he used to be a member of the law enforcement community. No, special soldier. Excuse me. He was special forces. Is that street legal, Luke? He was buffet. realize that he used to be a member of the of the law enforcement community but uh or no special
Starting point is 01:58:06 soldier excuse me he was special is that street legal luke well in texas it probably is right i mean texas you can take that to walmart yeah you can walk right in on on the belt with that yeah nobody would care all right my head so there you go finally luke let's go over to the lacrosse pitch for our clip of the week. Oh, lacrosse. Oh, yeah. Got him. Did you ever see that ESPN documentary over those three Native American brothers who were like phenoms in college lacrosse? Did you ever see that?
Starting point is 01:58:44 I did not. I did not i did not dude those guys were amazing they had long like braided ponytails like you see from certain native american tribes do and their names were amazing i never forget there was one dude's name his name was deo de gandhe which translated to i think whatever uh native american uh tribe they were from translated to he scorches the sky that was his fucking name. And I was like, dude, that is the coolest fucking name I've ever heard. Deo de Gonde. Interesting stuff, Luke, but that's
Starting point is 01:59:11 your shit. But then he had like, but then they had like regular English-American names. Their names were like Steve and, you know, Jeffrey. But they had real Native American names. They had the coolest fucking Native. All three of them had cool fucking Native American names. As long as they stay out of the Duke lacrosse frat, Luke,
Starting point is 01:59:28 I think all the women will be safe. Although that was proved wrong. That was proved wrong. They proved in the end they were, you know, in the famous words of the D.C. mayor, Marion Barry, bitch set me up. So that actually happened to them. Mikey is telling me that that is the Thompson brothers you're referring to?
Starting point is 01:59:46 Yes, they have names. Here we go. They have names like Miles, Jerome, and Jeremy, but that's not their native name. Those are just their names for the American government, but they're other names. They play for the Saskatchewan Rush, according to Mikey. Yes. Well, they were absolute
Starting point is 02:00:04 dynamos in college. Couldn't be stopped. Luke, to close this week, do you want to shout out any of our great listeners? I don't know. Do I? I assume not. I just wanted to give you the space, though, to do that. You just setting me up for fails?
Starting point is 02:00:20 I got to tell you, BC, not loving today's batch of shit. I got to tell you you you have really just turned it it's turned into sports center it's just highlights now i want to see i want to see ladies on or dudes whatever on scooters hit into the waterfall or fall off a roof or you know something look i put a lot of time in putting that shit together now you're giving me a uh a tatiana suarez post-fight review reaction of like well you know not that moved by it okay not that moved I'm gonna give you a solid b minus for the the shit today b minus all right I didn't even play video of the wardrobe malfunction from that match
Starting point is 02:00:54 because I didn't think it was right to Luke let me ask you about that so if you guys didn't see it there was moments there where Montana De La Rosa had to literally leave her hands addressing the takedown of Tatiana Suarez to go and then adjust her sports bra folks have said well what they should do is just wear rash guards but the rash guards man that's a lot of there is a difference when you wear it's certainly better for protection I think it feels to me like venom gear needs to like adjust that shit yeah I mean you could also just wear the Roxanne Mataferi shirt with the arm bands that's the rash guard that's the knee brace oh that's what you're talking about a rash guard oh i didn't hear the t i didn't know
Starting point is 02:01:29 the t-shirt was called the rash guard look i'm sorry i'm not in the jujitsu community on the level of you okay do you know what the equivalent of rash guards are for the for your legs for your pants do you know what they call those uh shooting sleeves spats spats spanks spanks okay not those spanks are what women wear to like you know it's like the pantyhose they wear they're like yeah it's like a it's like they tease you it's like a it's a bait and switch it'd be like if i wore those new men's t-shirts that accentuate your pectorals but really don't show how fat you are luke i mean i might need those eventually you know yeah yeah well, join the club. We're all there.
Starting point is 02:02:06 Hey, next week, I want to see some old ladies get thrown into the drink or something. All right, all right. Yeah, I might shower this week too, you know, Luke? I might. Okay, BC, let's remind everyone, tons of interviews and other stuff on youtube.com slash morningcombat,
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Starting point is 02:02:35 It does not go to me in BC, so we're not going to see it. And a reminder, you can also check out our Arnold Allen room service diaries. We shot three of them in the UK. Michael Venom Page is coming out tomorrow, and it's tremendous. Paul Craig is coming them in the uk michael venom page is coming out tomorrow and it's tremendous paul craig is coming out in the near future and it's arguably even better than arnold allen it's debatable luke we did three fantastic interviews that i can't wait for the people to see youtube.com yeah all very true so there's that showtime.com is the label that pays showtime.com 30-day free trial If you like it,
Starting point is 02:03:05 you can keep it. If not, you can bounce. And then last but not least, of course, morning combat dot store BC. Any final thoughts before we conclude today's programming? I'd like to shout out Reggie Jackson for his appearance today.
Starting point is 02:03:15 Luke is probably out in a litter box somewhere in the basement, but he's doing great in life. Big fan of that guy. So Luke, it was great to recap the weekend with you. These Monday shows, these two-hour shows, are arguably the best two hours of my entire week. I wish I could say I feel the same.
Starting point is 02:03:35 All right. All right. I got a lot of fruits and snacks to eat. I'm teasing. I love today's show, but I'm ready for it to be over, BC. All right. So, for Brian Campbell, for Reggie Jackson, for Malka, CBS Sports, and Showtime,
Starting point is 02:03:46 I'm Luke Thomas, that's Brian Campbell. And until next time, may all of your gains be loyal.

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