MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Bivol - Beterbiev 2 & UFC Seattle Recap | FULL EPISODE

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

MK Monday live from Manhatten. Luke and BC are back to recap a wild weekend of combat sports.  They start in boxing with a recap of the "Fight Card of the Century". In the main event, Dmitry Bivol gained revenge with a MD12 win over Artur Beterbiev in their undisputed title rematch. With the score now tied 1-1, is a trilogy fight a must-make next or should Benavidez get his shot? Plus, they break down the full action across the card and debate whether it lived up to the hype. In MMA, Luke and BC take a look at the results of UFC Seattle. Beginning with the main event which had a ton of drama as an ilegal eye poke on Henry Cejudo leads to Song Yadong's technical decision win. Was this handled corrected by referee Jason Herzog and what does the future of each fighter look like.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Two, three, two, three. It's time to bang. Oh, yeah! You feeling what I'm feeling? Hey, whoa, hey, how are you? Yeah, that's what it is. Hey, it's all Monday, February 24th, 2025. You just stumbled in upon the greatest combat show that they ever put together. This is morning combat. I'm Brian Campbell. I'm wearing a scarf because it's either hot as balls or colder than a witch's nipple in this

place. I prefer the word titty. Titty, yes. That's Luke Thomas from Washington DC. What's up, what's up? I can't hear myself in my ear. Here we go. In my ear hole. I figured it out.

All right. Gotta get the side tone. Thank you for helping me learn how to tie a scarf. I didn't wear scarves growing up. I didn't wear sunglasses either. I was raised under power lines apparently. But we've got a fantastic show for all you combat sports and flatulence fans out there. You better believe that. UFC Seattle to break down.

That's right. The last crescendo bevol better bf2 and quite possibly. Or at least that's what they told us. The greatest fight card that ever was put together. Well, this is the greatest combat sports show that you've ever seen. LT, sum up your emotional state in two words, because that will let the audience know what type of episode to expect. You overstate the problem. I'm pretty good. I, you know what? Here is a great demarcation line for whether or not I'm

feeling like I got hit by a Mack truck. Yes. It is typically better for me to walk in with a pink monster. No. Okay. I slept to the alarm this morning. Oh, wow Normally, I have such anxiety that I'm up around 3 3 34 anxiety for MK or life or thing in general or death anxiety for death Yeah, anxiety for my life falling apart and being you know, just a disaster that I did not predict Nevertheless, I slept to the alarm and that rarely happens, I slept to the alarm, and that rarely happens, and I slept to the alarm today, so I feel pretty good about that. That means we're gonna have a great show, right?

We're gonna end it with some DMs from donks. We're gonna look at my feces, pick out a few of them kernels in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I wanna go home. Yeah, you can do something for us, by the way, if you enjoy the show on the regular. How about liking the episode?

How about subscribing to our channel on YouTube? There are our social handles as well as our YouTube channels. How about liking the episode? How about subscribing to our channel on YouTube? There are our social handles as well as our YouTube channels. Please support what we're doing above and beyond the MK community. This week on the Brian Campbell experience, Lamont Roach, Jr., by the way, who's in a big one. Yeah, you can catch that. Talk to him a while ago, a couple about a month or so. You talked to him in between when the fight was rescheduled. Right.

That's right. So I actually do the interview and then like days later, they pushed it to which is today or this week. March 1st. So that'll be going down, obviously, on Prime Saturday when Roach takes when is your interview going up? Tank Davis. It'll go up today. OK, great. Yeah. So check that out. Also, we have a third member of the team. He's a producer, director, bong enthusiast, and he's from Long Island. And he's from the seed of an Australian. His name is Luke. No, he's from producer, director, bong enthusiast, and he's from Long Island and he's from the seed of an Australian.

His name is Luke. No, he's from the old ball sack down under. Yeah. Of the main card minute. Hey, bro, how are you? I like how we're five minutes into the show and we're talking about your father's testicles. Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't be MK if we didn't talk about dad's ball sack. All right. Hey, that's the show. That's what we do here. Wow. Yeah. Just one day, we should do an entire episode of that's the show. That's what we do here. Wow.

Yeah. Just one day we should do an entire episode of BC's Feces. Just two hours of looking at highlights and talking about smoking weed. That would be great. That would, then we'd be let go. But that's fine. Large asses on women. Would you say it's a great time to be alive in combat sports right now?

Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot to, there's a lot to be thankful for. Yeah. Consistently full of weekends where you have fights. I think there's a question about what kind of quality we're getting that week to week. Saturday's boxing card for as long as it was, was fun. I mean, we'll get into it. Let me ask you this. I don't know how much we're going to talk about it.

So let me just ask you this. Do you like that they ultimately tried to save the Parker fight and the Shakur fight? Did we need to see those? I don't. Was it better that we did see them? I thought it would have been better if we didn't, but I get why they wanted to try to keep up what they were promoting, which was the greatest fight card of the century.

And, you know, Boccoli got paid. We're going to break it all down. But no, it's a gamble when you do that. We're not used to that in boxing to do, you know, the 48 hour get on a plane right now. No training camp, right? It's it's a it's a it's a move UFC pulls off. It doesn't always work though So let me ask a question about this because I got you know, Mark Ortega on Twitter. He works for Fox Sports He's also the he does stats for the PBC broadcast. Yeah, he he knows an enormous amount of boxing

I could never know as much about him, but he asked a question about Emma man I didn't have a good answer very quickly long Island Luke here is the conditions I'm applying Obviously if you're talking about like what's the most successful case for a fight that the fans got to enjoy From a late-minute replacement or I should say late replacement The answer is probably gonna be something like Diaz versus McGregor one right where he comes in on short notice And it's like this insanely Lennox Lewis versus Leitemir Klitschko in 2003 is probably the best boxing example of when it got upgraded by a late replacement.

OK, so here's but here's my question for MMA. That actually happened outside of a window that I'm going to put on you artificially. If the window is 72 hours out from a fight, what's the best UFC fight that they have substituted in under those conditions? I don't remember the exact timeframe, but I'm thinking of it was peak COVID international fight week, I want to say. And Kamaro was supposed to be fighting like Gilbert Burns, but Jorge Masvidal was like the clear contender. And then Gilbert had to pull out and then Masvidal jumped in. It was on like a week.

But that fight sucked because the rematch was- No, but that was like a fight people were clamoring for at the time. I mean, what deliver- I mean, could say day no Cormie against Anderson Silva Yeah, I guess here's my question for anyone out there any anybody listening either boxing or wait I got one How about this being over Rockhold? It was supposed to be Rockhold Weidman bisman steps in when that wasn't a three-day thing It was like a couple weeks. Yeah, it was a couple weeks because I had him on my show. See, that's what I mean.

If you get two weeks out, there's some real bangers out there. Sure, because guys are in and out of camp, but when you're picking somebody literally off the couch who wasn't even training, that's what you get. Yeah, so if anyone out there can think of what's the best fight, either boxing or MMA, that got substituted in in 72 hours

and ended up delivering? I don't know what the answer is, but some of the things. Yeah, yeah, not Nate Diaz, Tony Ferguson, but they did try hard. All right. And we're going to try really hard on this show to absolutely give it to you right in the damn face hole. So why don't you buckle your ass up? Because our show is about to start. Right the Frick now.

Yes. And a reminder, by the way, this fantastic episode of Morning Combat is brought to you by DraftKings and at DraftraftKings you already know it. The crown is yours. Let's get into topic number one on this Monday morning and a loaded fight weekend to break down, and you want to talk about what was the biggest headline this weekend. It certainly was the rematch in the desert, the light heavyweight undisputed title clash. Four months, 123 days after Arthur better be heaven Dimitri b vol gave us 12 rounds and what some have called Luke the first fight. You ready for this. Some have called it a technical thriller. The first fight. Okay. You also called Strickland versus DDP a technical thriller. The first one. Same judges scorecards in the end, only they were inverted as Dmitri Bevol gains revenge over Arthur Betterbief just barely to become the undisputed champion and just possibly set up a trilogy.

So Luke, let's talk about this. Considering the rematch was scored the exact same way as the first fight, a majority decision with the scores inverted, 114 to 114, 114 116 112 and 115 113. What was the major difference in your eyes between the 2 fights and what did be all ultimately do to flip the victory in his direction. It's a great question I think that there are going to be 2 things I'm going to point to that I think will answer the question.

The first one is I compare the stats between the first fight and second fight I won't go through a litany of them, but this will speak to what I think is a central way to understand why this fight ended up going differently in all of the categories that CompuBox measures and there's not many total punches total jabs total body shots. Bival Outlander better BF in all of them. In all of them in the second fight.

In the first fight it was mixed. In, especially in the first fight, the power punches went predominantly to Better BF. That was not the case this time. I bring this all up to say, just watching it, and we watched us not fight now several times, the two of us, he simply did more. He was on his horse more, he was throwing more multi punch combinations. He was trying to pick off better be of as he was intercepting, as he was trying to corner him. There were so many times where he was able to reverse position into the corner. And then he what is he doing? he gets underneath the punch turns around and it's a four punch combination right behind it so it's just

staying busy creating rhythm putting more volume on him staying on your horse the whole time well didn't he do what he said meaning that the first fight that the main difference was that be vol faded in the championship rounds get to it this time he said what did he say all week I have to do more that's right in line with what you're saying although he did fade a little bit in the middle portion of that fight, but this is going to be the second one. I don't know if it was concerted that he wanted to fade in the middle portion, but it did look concerted to me BC that this time down the stretch and you could even start this at the seventh round. I think the turn really

starts around the eighth round. Sure. Bival decided I am absolutely going to put it on him down the stretch. Whatever my work rate was early, we're going to go even higher than actually the numbers speak to this directly. That's when you see the floodgates open and he really begins to take away the very portion of the fights that better be didn't do just well in the last one with Bival in all of them. It's always down the stretch that he begins to really take over. You see, that's an oversimplification. Sure.

But what I'm trying to point out to people is whether it was intercepting better be if by pulling him in catching him on the half beat and going the other direction whether it was by the way going over the top of his jab getting him to cover with touch touch touch digging to the body coming over and then angling out. He just made him suffer from having to block. He made him have to restart. He made him have to cover up. He made him just have to deal with an enormous amount of volume in all the different phases. And then when you combine with a

certain kind of like when we're going to press the gas, when we're going to press the brake and take away the very sweet spot where he comes alive dude that is I mean I don't Eddie Hearn was saying it's the best performance he's ever seen live and only he can say what is the best he's ever seen live we were watching it on a screen I don't know if it's the best one it's a little hard for me to say but what I can say is that is one of the most difficult things I've seen a boxer do. He almost had to be perfect, and he almost was perfect. Because better be of as we know, the gas tank even at age 40 is ridiculous. The power in both adjustments is ridiculous. The fact that they could stand so close to each other and just barely hit or not hit each other.

It's the it's the best form of high speed chess I've ever seen. So people had to be almost perfect to win this fight. 75 or however you had it. All right. I had people 75 in the first fight. I had people 75 in the second, but it was a different fight from the first fight. Also, we didn't mention this. I mentioned him getting out of the corner.

But like if you just look at how much time if you go back and watch the first fight. Also, we didn't mention this. I mentioned him getting out of the corner. But like if you just look at how much time if you go back and watch the first fight, relative to the second fight, there's much more time with bival on the ropes. Sure, man, he treated it like it was an electric fence this time he barely touched it. And there was again a couple times in the corner a couple times you had to kind of weather a little bit of a storm, but he was quickly looking for exits and then usually scoring offense on the exit itself. Sometimes you have to kind of weather a little bit of a storm, but he was quickly looking for exits and then usually

Scoring offense on the exit itself The pace was insane in this fight the skill level combined insane in this fight We should say something to BC about this fight Which was it was kind of funny because if you watched this fight But then you took a break and then you went to UFC different sports different realities Please don't misunderstand me different paper pay scales. Different pay scales. Everything's different. And I'm not even trying to bag on one versus the other.

What I am going to say though is in this fight and in boxing more in particular, but especially this fight, dude, their defense was insane. How hard is it to land clean on either guy? Now I know Bivel by the end had a big swelling here and he was bleeding. Well, he overcame a 12th round from BetterBF, which was like a championship last round performance. Okay, that was after, you know, 33 minutes. Right, but let's say he got the cut from that,

but really his face wasn't nearly as marked up as BetterBF's was outside of that cut. Right, but also that's just accumulation. Like what was your favorite punch? There was a couple that landed in both directions. By the way, I the better be if did have some good body work in the middle of this fight a lot of good. Honestly if we're saying what was the best about this

fight. To me, obviously the work rate of bevel but second to that was both of their defenses both of their defenses were so hard for the other guy to make close range at close range and high pace like you have to realize the skill level involved in this fight. It was ridiculous. Luke, I do have a question.

I prefer the first fight slightly, even with Bevol openly fading in the later rounds, because I felt there were more, I felt like Bevol Hurt better be a couple times in the first fight and I felt like that was a big surprise and there were the, you know, it felt a little more tense. But everybody on Twitter thinks the second one was better. Do you have a favorite between these these twins here? I probably like the second one better, but I not by much. I think they're pretty close. Okay key strategic question here The theory the theory in the first fight even though better be I've got his hand raised But a lot of us didn't think he did was he was coming like directly off of knee surgery and didn't even have a full camp

Even though this was a short turnaround for a big fight like this, four months, did he either let you down, Betterbeev? Did he get beat by a better guy or specifically when he dominated rounds four through six? Did he pour out too much of the jug in trying to finish Beevil? Not trying to finish him recklessly, but stepping up at such an aggressive pace. If you remember particularly in rounds four through six, anytime B-ball would gain separation, Betterbief would rush back up on him and he had to expend a lot of energy in hindsight. Was he going for the knockout and did he pour too much out?

I wonder about that. I mean, the other part too is Betterbief is 40. Yes. He's 40 years old. I mean, the fact that he looks as good as he does and performs as ably as he does. And by the way, as you mentioned, look good in the fourth round, like this was not a guy who just laid down down the stretch, even though he had some difficulty, but he is 40. I tended to think that was the biggest one, like how good can, like you're looking at what is probably something approximating in terms of genetic potential. And obviously, if you maximize genetic potential with insane work rate and insane training habits, and obviously, you take care of your body and you don't drink and all that kind of stuff. Archer better be of is what it looks like at 40 if you take extraordinarily good care of your.

Sure. But even then dot dot dot, it is 40 to me, like the foot speed and the ability to move around the ring. the foot speed and the ability to move around the ring. You knew that bival was better, but this time he did a better job of maintaining that and better be of just seemed to have a really hard time closing the doors on him with a couple of exceptions here or there. I agree. Overall, bival would outland according to CompuBox 170 to 121. He scored double figure lands and 11 of 12 rounds out landed better be having five of the last six rounds to close and survive that 12th round rally from better be of and On average compared to the first fight B vol averaged 11 more punches attempted per round

So he backed up what he said to do more to push the fight at better be of more But be vol had to not just hold him off in the 12th round the rounds four through six dude He looked like he was gonna second bival at certain points he looked like like around five was wearing him down around five I was like I don't the better be it was moving downhill on him yes and I was like I don't I don't know how this is gonna go like it's better be gonna not only build in the last win is he gonna stop him and then for for Bivalter, basically kind of rally, it was evenish, but to kind of rally was remarkable. Well look, Bival right now, 34 years old, already coming into this fight, even coming off of a loss in my top 10 pound for pound,

now he has victories over a prime Canelo Alvarez, one division up from Canelo's, you know, greatest, but, and Arthur Betterbief. So we are talking already about two living legends, two future Hall of Famers in this fight, but that resume just screams greatness considering everybody else he's beaten up to this point. And look, it meant so much to Bivol because he gave everything he thought he had in the first fight and came up that close.

We got him backstage here with his coach, so let's check out this emotional scene when he returned to the locker room. B-Wolf! B-Wolf! B-Wolf! B-Wolf! B-Wolf! B-Wolf! B-Wolf! B-Wolf! B-Wolf! B-Wolf! B-Wolf! B-Wolf! That's Gennady Mashyanov, his trainer. You know I pop for these moments, Luke. Yeah, these are big ones. That's just the tears coming down.

Hey, I didn't even know if Katie B-Wolf did. His A Strange Ex-Wife. I don't even know if she did a stream this time, one of those like remember last time she did like live stream. But you know, you did hear him say afterwards. He said I've been going through a lot the last couple of years, you know, injuries, all of that. And for him to put together this performance in this fight, Dmitry Bevil is one of the greatest fighters of this era. So is better be of but Luke, we got to talk about the future here. First, I think we do have Bevol responding backstage to the fight. Let's just get his take on that. First fight I didn't like how I did. Second fight I like more. I feel I could more. I could be better even than this one. I feel it, you know. But I did enough for the victory today and I'm happy.

Thank you so much everybody who was watching this fight, who was cheering for me, even who was cheering for Better Beef. He's a great fighter and only you can make history about yourself only if you have a great opponent. Without good opponents you cannot prove prove people that you are good. Yeah. Thank you. That's that's 100.

That's the Shaker Stevenson problem. That's right. Isn't that that's that's if every boxer had that attitude, it would be a different sport. Right. He was lifted to that performance because of the greatness of better BF because of how great B-ball fought the first fight and still came up empty, yet was able to unlock another level of stamina, of drive, of everything to do it.

This was incredible. Now though, it seems like we've set the stage for a third fight. Turkey Alashik, who of course was ringside and paid for this bout and organized it, was walking around with three fingers, parted up to BetterBF. Interesting post-fight interview where BetterBF said,

I didn't want the rematch, so now that I lost, I might as well take this third fight, but do I want it necessarily? He didn't sound like he did. I mean, he is 40 years old at the end of his career, but Beval said he's into it, but he really put out there. He said, look, I need time off. He said that the turnaround 123 days now 24 rounds against BetterBF when no one had gone the distance with BetterBF

before that. That's a lot of wear and tear. He said he was doing anti-inflammatories every day in training camp and there was a lot of injury and illness which I'm sure both fighters are definitely going through. So will we see this next? Should we see this next? How much time off do you think they need? And let's also address this. 24 hours before the card they went from a 20,000 seat arena, Kingdom Arena to this makeshift, I forgot I think they're calling it Riyadhsizan Arena or something like that, it's got 6,000.

It wasn't an apex warehouse but it was not the spaced house, the greatest fight card of all time or this incredible rematch. There's already some big moneymaker in Russia who's trying to bring that fight because these are two, we've all born on Kyrgyzstan soil, but two Russian fighters. Where should the third fight be? When should it be? And should it be next in your opinion? I think the third fight, I mean, obviously I would love it in the United States, but it doesn't really need to be there. I would say, you know, if they want to put it in Russia, that would be great. But if you're trying to maximize timing for it to be watched, you could put it in the Middle East again, or somewhere in continental Europe.

I think continental Europe would be really an interesting opportunity. But, I mean, maybe this is a better question for Topic 2, but like, can they get away, meaning Saudi Arabia, putting out fight cards this big with that atmosphere that did feel dead? It did? I've seen people being like, I thought the atmosphere was great. Guys, if you thought that atmosphere was great, you've only been watching fights for five minutes. Like, I'm not... Yeah, and those fights have been in the apex.

I'm not here to say that that crowd was the worst I've ever seen, far from it, but it was modest and kind of quiet at best. It was not good. You want to put it in place where people can travel, where there's going to be ruckus. Dude, you go, I mean, honestly, with the amount of Russians in New York City, dude, there'd be more Russians in New York City than there would be in Saudi Arabia. Let me just say that very, very clearly. And they wouldn't even have to travel all the ones that are here over in, you know, in Sheepshead Bay and all that kind of stuff. So, you know, when they should do it though is a different question. I honestly

think that should be third or probably even fourth quarter of this year. But to be honest, I don't even want to see that one. I mean, yes, if they made a third one. Well, I was going to ask if we have fatigue here. We saw two great fights back-to-back They look a lot like you got you have a new guy in this weight class again after the Vosdick fight I wasn't exactly sure but after the Morrell fight, I'm very sure David Benavides all roads lead. Well, I mean obviously a bivald the champ But as a next fight to me all roads lead to David Bennett All right

I have scenarios to pitch to you based off of that. Okay. Number one, if they go forward, which it seems like Turkey's plan with a third fight with better be having be Vol at some point later this year. I would not hate to see David Benavides stay at light heavyweight and fight Cal Smith who had a big win on this undercard and we can talk about that. How about this scenario that I threw out and people have loved and hated. I want to hear what Luke has to say.

this scenario that I threw out and people have loved and hated. I want to hear what Luke has to say. B-Vol Canelo too next? And Benavides better be of next, but only under the understanding and the contract signing that the winners would face off and the losers would face off. People say, Hey, you don't want to reward Canelo for ducking, but you know Canelo wants this fight more than anything, the rematch with B-Vol and now you got all four titles at stake. I dare. Look at me as closely as you can. I dare someone to try and make the case Canelo can win three rounds on that.

I'm not saying he will win it. I'm saying is that... He'll get washed. What are we talking about here? He lost, he didn't get washed in the first fight, but he lost convincingly Bevel has only gotten better Canelo to the best of my Ability to assess has somewhat degraded. He'll get he'll get fucking Quickly I want to talk about that first Canelo be all fight because we do say

Pretty regularly that he got handled the reality is he lost seven to five on three scorecards But we don't believe that that was the real score He got a Canelo discount because of his name the reality is he lost 7-5 on three scorecards, but we don't believe that that was the real score. He got a Canelo discount because of his name. The reality is what? He probably lost 8-4. Could he go 9-3? I thought he won four rounds at most. But I think what we're missing, a lot of the internet is missing when rehashing it,

is it was actually competitive. Canelo made Bevol miss like nobody else has. And I know eventually that rope-a-dope style caught up with Canelo and he took a beating in the second half, but I don't think it was a one-sided beat down, even though I don't agree with the 75 scorecard. It was a competitive fight. Canelo had the injury. But I'm going to say it one more time. Somebody make the case that Canelo's chances will improve with a second fight.

That seems to me completely ludicrous. I didn't enter this studio today to be a Canelo protector because he's ducking the shit out of David Benavides. Tell your friends, okay? But that was during the stretch where Canelo looked human and he had the left hand and wrist injury and he wasn't able to train at full speed. So I do wonder if it could be different. You don't like the second half of that equation I pitched you? Because you know Canelo doesn't want to go straight into Benavides or Better BF. Sorry, you meant the Benavidez.

So, Benavidez versus Better BF. I would take that fight. I would take that fight. My interest in Canelo-Bivalt 2 is zero. Okay, that's fair. It's negative 8 billion. That's fair, Luke. That's what it is.

What do we say about these two, this rivalry? I see historians who I respect a lot more than me, like Cliff Rold on Twitter, say that these two are approaching Michael Spinks for the greatest resume in light, heavyweight, history and boxing. That the winner of the trilogy could make some type of statement that they're in that category.

This was never gonna be a major commercial rivalry. These two don't, they're not household names in the United States under any any degree. But the greatness and for better be of especially late in age right now that they're showing. They're all timers. They're living legends in the flesh. These two are two of the greatest fighters I've ever seen with my eyes in active competition. I think that's fair to say. I think that's fair to say and I also think it's fair to say

that there are some fights that remain for them in these weight classes in particular as you mentioned Benavides or a third fight with each other. Canelo. What about cruiserweight? Bivald is talking about cruiserweight this week. I'm so glad you mentioned that because to me, obviously with better B. Avett 40, I think we have to have some, again, he still looks pretty viable, but

he's 40. It's just hard to say how much longer he's got. Sometime obviously, but not a ton. Whereas Bivald has, if he wants, it seems to me a significant amount of time. And I do think, you know, if he fights Benavides and let's, I'm just going to invent a scenario, if he rinses Benavides, which I don't think that would happen that way. But let's just say, wins eight rounds to four or whatever. I think he should move up.

I think he should move up. We put so much pressure on these little guys to go from 30 to 35 to 40 to 47. And this is very, very difficult to do. And then when we get to the heavier ones, we're like, well, these guys can just camp out. And please don't misunderstand me. Even if they just camp out in this weight class, they're still turning into the point that you raised historically good resumes. But I think it's a little bit we're going to ask the little guys to do some jumping.

We should ask the big guys to maybe do some jumping as well. I think especially for Dmitry Bivol, that's something he should be looking at. I think his speed would be a problem for the for the for the major cruiseways. Jaya Pataya seems to be the highest class cruiserweight, and that'd be a great fight. And that'd probably be the one they would angle toward building should Bivol move up. But he's going to be able to outbox these guys, I would think. I don't think any of those light heavy. Excuse me. Those cruiserweights are.

Dude, who had light, excuse me, I keep saying light heavyweight, who had cruiser weight is as skilled? Nobody. As Demetri Bevel. Nobody. Nobody, and there's some good fighters up there, there's some good fighters up there,

there is nobody who is doing anything like that. So the only question is, how much does the size impact? How much does the power punching impact? What does all of that do? But that to me raises the intrigue, not minimizes. Is there any chance, whether it be injury or change of opinion or anything, that we're getting B-Vol Benavides next? And don't forget they have the sparring history with Benavides claiming without bragging that I handled him. So, it certainly depends what kind of fight we get next based on whether or not PBC wants to play ball.

That's it. That, because you and I talked off camera about that Turkey live interview on the Dizone broadcast. Why don't you tell folks what happened? With Ali at Oladipo, which I think was a very, very awkward interview, which was, you know, over, over playing the greatest card player, but maybe they had to, I don't know. But I was, I think the biggest takeaway we have to have is Turkey looking into the camera and saying, I want to make better BF versus Ben Aveda. This was before BeVal 1, so he was saying it, meaning if BeVal 1, it would be a trilogy, but if better BF 1, it would be 2-0, so he'd move out from that rivalry.

And he looked at the camera and said, Heyman, let's go, let's make the fight. So, you know, there's not a long history, Luke, of people challenging the great Al Heyman in that regard. Do you feel like this will make the PBC more or less likely to do business? That's what I, I think that's the right question right now, because I wonder if you loop in the fact

that there was a PBC fighter on this card, Carlos Adamas, and we'll get into the circumstances of that fight, but a lot of people think he got kind of robbed on the scorecards. I wonder if that all plays into the future. PBC's the only major promoter that's not all the way in, it would seem, right? Definitely. Like, Rowley will be on a ring card coming up. We've seen a couple guys jump over, but I don't know if this means

this is the beginning or the ending based on that type of comment publicly. I'd be speaking totally out of turn here. I have no idea what PBC would do, but I have a feeling that, you know, PBC letting guys like Carlos Adamis, Moonlight or Rolly Romero doesn't seem like a big ask of them. But one of your most important headliners, David Benavidez, surely PBC would want to control that. And I don't know if Turkey wants to play ball in that way.

It seems like two different kinds of entities that as it relates to someone like David Benavides, they all want to have it their way. And with Canelo moving out of the states for three of his next four fights, right? He's supposed to be fighting Crawford this September in Vegas, possibly Allegiant Stadium. I wonder if David Benavides in PBC looks at that as you're the new American Canelo. You're the next successor in taking the two big dates in Vegas, right? I mean, that could be- Someone has to cater to the Mexican fans.

And if, literally, if Canelo is going to punt, I mean, someone's gonna run that one back. I wonder if we see, and I'm just speculating as a boxing fan, but if we saw PBC still run that May 3rd date in Vegas, maybe with Benavides and Pitbull on that card, that'd be interesting. That to me, that to me would signal a lot. That would be interesting.

But what a performance from Bevol. What a fight. But let's transition out. By the way, we didn't say, better be if performed well too. Oh, hell yeah. Obviously he didn't perform as well relative to the first fight. And even then, I think even if you thought he won the first fight, this was not that.

Yes. But dude, I mean, Bival had to fucking work. He had to work. There's so many times watch how many times you just see stuff bouncing off of the gloves. I mean, and then to be right on top of them and then catching all that stuff. If you listen, I've barely trained but if you've trained even a little bit, you know how insanely, insanely difficult it is to move into an opponent. And there are, by the way, an accurate puncher, and you have to catch everything and then throw.

He's a brilliant, better be a brilliant boxer for a guy whose reputation was I knock out everybody that gets in the ring with me. I mean, it's just crazy. He's had an injury plague career. He didn't get into the pros until late after a big amateur career, but he's maximized the time. He's a great fighter. He did have his first loss. Are you okay with him? When B vault tried to extend the handshake in the middle of the ring after the fight and Benevita or a better be have said, no, no, no, let's wait till after the third foot. Yeah. I don't care about that stuff. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Let's go into topic. Number two, he didn't say he wants to smoke meth with Hitler. I mean, or no.

He wanted to go fishing with Prima. Yeah, that's aggressively awful. But we'll talk about GN Silva about that. Lord Silva pretty soon on that topic. Number two, though, is focusing on the rest of this super card. And look, in totality, well done, Turkey. This was a big event outside of some bad pacing off the start, it began to pace itself quick. Obviously, if fights are going to be hit or miss, you can't control that.

But I want to see what Luke Thomas feels about whether the fight card of the century lived up to the pre-fight expectations. These were the biggest pre-fight expectations we've ever seen. It was literally called the greatest fight card of the century. So Luke, even with the late changes to two of the seven fights, even with the change in venue 48 or 24 hours before, how would you give a letter grade to the last crescendo pay-per-view in totality when we take into account match quality, pacing, entertainment, the broadcast, everything, the crowd, everything that goes into it, how do we grade coming out of the last crescendo? I think B plus A minus is probably somewhere around there.

Let's talk about the good. First of all, the pacing. Fuck, they made an improvement. No post fight interviews for those first few fights, right? They made a huge, huge improvement on post fight. They waited an hour though, be fair. For an hour, they talked in circles and then had a 2-0 guy face a guy who was 4-44-3. Yeah, I mean, early they were playing more fuck fuck games, but as the card moved along, they talked in circles and then had a 2-0 guy face a guy who was 4-44-3. Yeah, I mean, early they were playing more fuck-fuck games, but as the card moved along, they moved along.

Yes. I just don't... Listen, we can kill them for a lot of things, you cannot kill them for pacing on this card. It was wonderful. It was so much better. And by the way, you know how they put out times ahead of time? Hey, each... Dude, they were ahead of schedule doing that. I mean, that was very, very impressive by them. So that was great. Second of all, I still don't think the crowd was good at all, but moving it from a bigger venue to a smaller venue

certainly maximized whatever you were going to get from that crowd. That was a good decision. So there's that. I also think I liked some of the way the production elements looked. I like the ring and the lighting around it. I do too, yes. I thought it was interesting. They had the ring, the round timer on the ring post. Did you see that? I did. And they did a much bigger platform for the ring and the light. I do too. Yes, I thought it was interesting that they had the ring the round timer on the

ring post. Did you see that I did and they did a much bigger platform for the ring to sit on the apron. Yes, so I thought all of that looked cool. They were trying to advance it the the big the big screen and the walkout all of that was great. The celebrities in attendance. It's pretty great to see a J and who's sick laughing it and mucking it up at rings. I like all that like it didn't feel like you know, I remember for the first time when we saw Anthony Joshua fight in the rematch, Andy Ruiz, but remember it was Battle of the Dune.

Yes. And there were celebrities left and right for that one. It seemed like a star-studded affair. This one seemed very apexy relatively speaking. Now listen, main event delivered, co-main event didn't need to happen. I appreciate that they tried. I didn't get much out of it. Let's stay with the co-main event.

So Joseph Parker, who was originally gonna challenge the IBF champion, Daniel Dubois. Dubois falls ill like 48 hours before. Martin Boccoli is in the Congo, his home country. He's 315 pounds. He wasn't in camp, even though he's got to fight with F.A. Ajogba scheduled for May in Times Square, and Turkey said that fight's still gonna happen.

And he had to take so many flights that he didn't get in until 2.30 a.m. the night before the fight, Friday night. And you can't say negative about anything about Joseph Parker. He's under a career resurgence at the moment. And he went in there, and in two rounds, I mean, it was kind of a weird sequence. He lands a big right hand on Pacoli. Pacoli kind of shakes his head and laughs at it, and then it's a grazing follow-up right hand that gets him in the temple. It's a delayed reaction. You see a Humpty Dumpty falling, but then the corner jumps right up and throws in the towel. There's reports that Pacoli was paid four million to get on the plane and do this. And it was obvious that his corner knowing he'd even trained for the fight were basically like, okay, we saw him get hurt. That's enough.

Should the fight have happened? No. I mean, you didn't need the fight. The fight card was so loaded that if you just had the main event, the Ortiz Madrimal fight and one or two others, you're still looking at one of the greatest boxing pay-per-view cards of all time. It's fine. Here's my problem with that. We talked about it to open the show with Long Island Luke, which is something interesting happened last week

during Fight Week BC, and I'm sure you picked up on this. All of the marketing around the event was less about the rematch in the main event, and it was more about the card itself. There was all of this pushing of, look, it's the biggest card, look at how great this card is, let's compare historical Don King cards. And again, even with those comparisons, it does compare favorably across eras. So by no means a bad card, a very, very good card.

But I'm just saying all of the promotional focus was centered on making sure that messaging got out to the broader public. And even during the broadcast, you heard that as well. What's interesting to me is when they replace these guys and they talk about the fight card, Turkey is taking a lesson from the ultimate fighting championship. That is what is happening here. They want to be able to show like, obviously, Saudi wealth makes it possible to just call up Martin Boccoli, pay him four million, fly him out last minute and do it. They can do it. Or call up Josh Padley, who fought Shakir Stevenson on five days notice or four and buy him a

house. That was literally what they did for him. Although he was in better shape. I mean, he tried. No, sure. But I'm saying like they're literally going to those lengths to get this. So, okay, but people think it's just Saudi wealth, but it's not. The expectation to be able to pull that off was set by the ultimate fighting championship who Turkey obviously has a close relationship with as Well, and so what I'm trying to bring up to is to me this entire focus on how great is the card? How great is the card? How great is the card? It's not an irrelevant concern by any stretch of the imagination, but the over emphasis Relative to even the main event to me is a misapplication of how we should be looking at things, which is a function of taking practices from MMA. And this is

the last thing I want to say about it to the point that Long Island Luke raised earlier, it's not even clear that those practices in MMA yield better returns anyway. So the point I'm trying to make is when people talk about a great fight card, it's a totally relevant way to ask a question. But the point I'm trying to make is when people talk about a great fight card, it's all totally relevant way to ask a question. But the real way to ask it is what was the main event and did that deliver that still always going to be the primary area of concern. I'll agree with that.

And I don't think you're great as bad. I still think you can you can score the whole thing in a minus because it had a gluttony of entertaining fights. It was paced well and there were stretches of just like those first three important fights starting with the Kalam Smith Joshua Bwazi fight. I mean it just kept escalating, they were exciting, they were all kind of had different storylines to them. So all in all like I'm here like everybody else to praise Turkey, like this was awesome, this was a gift to boxing. But I do think there's limits to that praising slash glazing Luke. Like what Turkey's doing for the sport is huge and

amazing and we're getting huge events and in such a disjointed sport is finding some forms of organization right now. But like the on-screen glazing is it's a negative. It's a turn off. How do we deal with that Luke? I mean like, it's like this man's taking his nation's huge wealth and entertainment fund and they have a specific goal of using boxing to put forth their message and it's working and there's a lot to love about it. But there's this glazing of like Santa Claus slash Jesus slash you know insert whatever name whatever deity you want of like thank you for saving everything And isn't this the greatest thing everyone's ever seen?

They could just tone that down and it can be more about the fights. I think that's a better form. Listen, everyone in combat sports and in particular boxing will sell their butthole to the highest bidder. I've never seen you could walk into a home filled with prostitutes and you won't find as many whores as you will in the sport of boxing. Hold on. Wow. Well, you're right. You're right. But what about the sport of boxing? Well, has revealed that the vast majority of the people inside of it are absolute money-grubbing, avarice, motivated whores whores.

And by the way, that was true when the sport was disorganized last 25 years and it's true now. Yeah. I mean, no, no, no, they're just cashing in on better opportunities to be a whore now, but they've always been whores. What I think about it is it's just fucking insane. I mean, we get to these things where like the hero worship of people in the sport, and by the way, it's not even organic.

This is primed on the pump hero worship where, you know, if you have a broadcast deal with whoever's showing your fight, they're expected to show who you are if you're turkey and he has interviews and again ring magazine is just pumping out pro turkey stuff Left and right. It's this this it's this cult of personality around him And again, someone asked me like how do you feel about the Saudis being in the sport? And it this is the reality BC and I think you would agree. It's not one thing or the other Do I have concerns about monopolization? Sure. Yes. Do I have concerns about doing business with the theocratic dictatorship?

Yes, of course. However, if I'm just asked are these good relevant fights that they're making at a greater clip than would ordinarily be made? There's no argument that's true. And I do think he's elevating the sport by making it seem more glamorous. The ring gala, the like when like those events feel outside of the small arena Which we had a gripe with they feel royal they feel like you know I mean like we have boxing hasn't felt that in a while I'm all for that I just think we got to draw a limit in in in like show like have a level of shame in front of us because

It's getting very it's in in boxing right now between people who have microphones. It's an absolute dick sucking competition. It's gross who can swallow the most. It's gross, but yet it's great for the sport. What the the out the payout is great, but it's I think gratitude for good fights is always well placed. Yes, stop there. Yes, stop there. Thank you very much.

Let's let's continue on the theme of the replacement. Shakur Stevenson goes in there not against Floyd Schofield That's a whole soap opera to itself And I don't even think it's resolved and no one even knows really if the Schofields can ask a question Yeah, go ahead the Schofield team was saying we're gonna be free agents outside of Golden Boy It's Golden Boy kind of criticize Golden Boy did criticize him. What's the story there? So they are Floyd is a Golden Boy guy he's a Golden Boy fighter, but this was then probably basically being like well

If you're gonna say this about us, then we'll let them know Lord because the world know we're close to the end of our deal at The press or Oscar who did he apologize to Turkey? Shakur maybe maybe Shakur something like that and I guess those guys felt really disrespected I mean look nobody knows but them at the end of the, if he ducked because they got close to the fight and realized they didn't want it, or if some shenanigans happened with, did he get drugged? Or maybe he just had a bad weight cut.

There's a lot of potential options. Either way, I think, like we talked about, Dubois getting sick helped it, even though I'm gonna say, and Twitter's obviously full of anything negative you can find, Twitter believes that Dubois pulled out of this fight once he realized that Usyk wants to have the rematch next and that Saudi's going to go forward with the Dubois.

Dubois does not strike me as that discerning. Right, but like that fight would make sense anyway and I'd rather have that fight than let's say run back Parker Dubois even though like, you know, Parker didn't do anything wrong. So again, with the Schofield thing, I don't really know what happened. But I get wanting to leave Shakur on the card. I get you know he put in the training camp he's not going to gain much by just not fighting. But Luke did we learn anything from the Josh Padley fight outside of people will definitely find more ways to hate Shakur and it's not like I don't get their criticism or their dislike of Shakur, but I guess I'm come to terms with,

you're only going to see the best of this guy against the very best. And I know that he hasn't always made the right choices to help him get the very best in the ring, or you can criticize him, sure, for the arenas booing him. But you know what I think of his talent? We got to get a tank fight, and we got to figure out business how to make that fight happen, because this division needs it, the sport needs it both fighters. I think need it Shakur really needs it

It looked like he hurt his left hand. It looked like he weighed the options and thought going for the KO Aggressively wasn't gonna help him. He still picked the guy apart. He still stopped him So a lot of shots were great So like you know afterwards Padley would say he had no power and it just adds to people wanting to hate on Shakur. But I don't hate on Shakur. Padley was getting, I mean, he was getting, he was getting beaten like a stepchild. I mean, let's be honest about this. He can say what he wants. He was getting tuned up.

Should this fight have happened though? I mean, like the card didn't need it. I have less issue with this one because Padley... Was in shape? Was in shape and could actually try. But did it need to happen? Fuck no, it didn't. But for the fact that they were trying to save a fight,

would you ever book this fight? Like for example, Boccoli versus Parker, that's a fight you actually might book under different circumstances. It was almost an upgrade, almost. It wasn't in reality because it wasn't a title fight. But the Padley fight is a fight you would never make. Now again, it's different because Boccolich came in just I mean looking like the Hamburglar

I mean so fat and that doesn't help the sport it doesn't I don't think that mattered so much but but but what I'm trying to make is I can there's different ways in which to Try and judge the legitimacy of what call they made but it just goes back to show that it's almost almost Impossible if you're going to get a late replacement for that fight to be anything what it should have been with whoever the original fighter was on that one and people have said oh well kid Schofield would have won that one he would have made you know Chakur look bad that's a maybe but to me the odds didn't say that yeah yeah i don't buy that but okay people were held to holding that position but you know know, for MMA fans out there, they have very different styles, but it reminds

me a little bit of Izzy, where you throw Joel Romero in there, who's kind of this unrefined guy and you got a kind of a bad fight. But then, you know, when he goes against Robert Whitaker the first time, or when he goes against Paul LaCosta, guys who are determined to win, you get a very, very different kind of... Like Oscar Valdez. Right. Like Oscar wasdez. Right. Shakur was exciting in exposing and picking him apart. So this is what I mean.

I fully, fully agree that if you want to get anything out of the Shakur Stevenson experience, he's got to be pushed. If he's not pushed, I'm not going to say he's going to coast, but he's just not going to necessarily do the things that he- he only can do special things if special guys make him do it and he also has legitimate hand issues Like Floyd dealt with in the second half of his career and he's basically saying publicly Shakur now. I can only fight twice a year There's a lot of I'm not even sure he can fight that to be honest with you Well, let's hear let's see the tweet as he put it out there So Durante tweeted lol and then Shakur quotes said, stay focused Lamont ready to tap that chin.

So, obviously this conversation is built upon Tank has to get through Lamont Roach Jr. first. That's this coming Saturday in Brooklyn on PBC pay-per-view. But Luke, the idea of making this fight realistic. Does it go back to that Al Hayman Turkey conversation? I'm not really sure. Like, can this fight be made as a PBC pay-per-view with Stevenson at the B-side? Or see if it takes short money for that? Who is Shakur's trying to?

He's trying to Eddie Hearn. You could make that fight without Riaz. Or does Turkey say it has to be a turkey fight? Oh, um, yeah, I don't know. Let's hear Shakur talk about what he wants next here. Well, Shakur Stevenson, that could have been a tricky night with everything that's happened during the week, but you must be delighted with how you got through that. Oh yeah for sure once I'm in my rhythm nobody can stop me.

My offense, my defense, I'm very sharp. What next for you now? I want the biggest fight in boxing. Javante Tank Davis let's do it bro. Come on. Send him a message on Sky Sports for us. I'm the best fighter in the world come prove me wrong. Well done tonight congratulations.

I'm not sure he's not the best pound for pound boxer in the world. Obviously he hasn't doesn't even even being a three division champion doesn't have enough wins to be up there and he doesn't always give you the performance you're looking for. But he is of those skills. I told you at this turn of this year that this is the fight I wanted to see the most even with Keith Sean Davis almost inserting himself in the conversation with his breakthrough status. This fight, Chakor Tank tank if tank beats roach is Everything I would want it's a pound-for-pound fight. It's a everything fight There would be a unification in the lightweight division

It'd be the most tough difficult opponent for both fighters to be everything if that fights not in the United States It's an absolute motherfucking you got Newark I mean, I was okay, you're right, but I would take that on the moon Yeah, I'll take it in island if it's a question of it doesn't happen or it does, and it has to happen somewhere else, then fine. But anybody who is competently putting that together, or at a bare minimum, anybody who wants to make that fight as big as it can be, you have to put that fight to her.

I wonder if PBC, who have co-promoted when it got to Mayweather Pacquiao level, right? Or Fury Wilder 2 level I wonder if they would co-promote with Matt Drewman Turkey I don't know that's interesting I don't know final point on that fight what would you think the line would be right now or should be right now I think tank would be a modest favorite like minus 115 a little more than that? I'm not the biggest boxing guy I was gonna say like minus 200 tank plus 150

Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be great all right Let's quickly speed through what we did learn Break out performance Virgil Ortiz jr. Against Israel Madrimoff even with Madrimoff now going public and saying I was you know deadly Sick and in the hospital, but I still push forward for the fight Luke I thought Israel Madrimoff who just gave Terrence Crawford, like, literal flip-a-coin at the end hell, in terms of the style, I thought he was going to expose certain parts of Ortiz and make Ortiz have to brawl him. Luke, Ortiz was patient, great trainer, Robert Garcia, we know this, but patient from the

outside picked his spots, waited out Madrimov's stamina and movement, and then just outboxed him and cornered him and dude like he brutalized him late. I'm not sure he's not the best 154 pounder which which is this what I'm really trying to say. Canelo Crawford's probably gonna happen in September because it's so big and it was a big part of Canelo going to sign the four fight deal with Saudi Arabia. But like the boxing fan in me is almost saying, let's hit pause on Canelo Crawford

and let's do Virgil Ortiz Jr. versus Bud Crawford for supremacy at 54. That's the fight I would want to see. And I did not expect to say that coming in because even though I deemed Virgil Ortiz an exciting fighter and unbeaten guy, close fight with Boa Chuck, but I loved the heart he showed,

I didn't know he was of this exact skill level because to be fair this was probably his toughest fight ever on paper even though he was a slight betting favorite and even though Bernard Hopkins his promoter called him Victor on the broadcast twice meet him in the men's room but like are that crazy to say I think that version of Virgil Ortiz can compete with Bud at 54 not win but compete not not maybe maybe win but like I absolutely Ortiz can compete with Bud at 54. Not win, but compete. Maybe win, but like... I absolutely think he can compete with Bud at 54. I mean, this was interesting. Like,

if you actually look at the numbers, Ortiz landed better on Madremov than Bud did, but the counter to that is that Bud took much less damage than Ortiz. But to me, that's really not even the story. And Madremov moved more against Bud. You know what I mean? He looked healthier. It's a different fight. It's a different fight. Yeah. It's a different fight, different guys, different strategies. Ortiz had a very, I'm not going to say basic approach, but it kind of a simple

concept, which is you got to limit the movement and dude talking about that fight early to middle way through that fight. I'm like, dude, Madrimof is running away with this. I'm like, or cheese can't touch them. Can't fucking touch them. And you could see landing a lot though. If you know, it's like a little jabs here. That's right. Yeah, a little jabs.

Jabs and then going. By the way, and that also tells you the difference between him and Bivel. Bivel had a similar-ish kind of assignment but was still able to put a little bit more behind it at times. At least enough to deter, better be, an Ortiz could not be deterred. But dude, the fact that Ortiz overcame that and did such phenomenal work to the body. The body shots, the body work, really taking his legs away, making him stationary. And dude, once Madrimov was more or less stationary, Ortiz whooped him. It was not close at all. And I actually, it's funny, I've seen it circulated

on Twitter, but this is something that on our, I did a live stream watching the fight with my friend Othello, and we called it out during the live stream. There's a point there where Ortiz cross reaches for to peel the guard, but lets it go. And you see Madrimov raise his hand to get it back up. So then Ortiz comes right underneath the elbow and

crushes him. Dude, he got forced into a new division at 54. We didn't even know if he'd be a puncher in this division. His body work is insane. It's not just the body. The body work was insane. The pace was insane. The patience was insane. And then again, dude, how many times did you see him just go, ah, like ripping shots to the body and Madrimal was just kind of just hunching, hunching. And then the upper carts cut started firing. Dude, this was one of my, I'm not even kidding.

This was one of my favorite performances from Virgil Ortiz. Maybe not number one, but top three, something like that. Like this was fucking awesome. This was proof of concept. Like everyone kind of thinks he's gonna outdog the next guy. And I think if he has to outdog the next guy, he can do that. This was much more scientific. And this was one he built. This

was a 12 round game plan. This was one where he was like, we have to build a game plan for every part of a 12 round frame. And he, you know, obviously, he did that shit, man. He looked fucking awesome in this fight. I really loved his performance. Even though we bag on PFL, or I do with these, we both do with these tournament ideas, and now we still have a tournament, but it makes almost less sense. I wish 154 pounds we could have an all promotion global tournament. Imagine Bud, Virgil Ortiz, Boa Chuck in there, bring back Jermell Charlo, Tim Zou, Sebastian Fundora, Ericsson Lubin.

Like you really look at the talent around the world at 154, like this division's fun right now. Let's get these fights made please. Well we gotta do Canelo Crawford. Look that is one of those that brings the casuals and I can't hate on it. It's an incredible storyline. It's the toughest opponent Canelo's had in a while.

Yeah, indeed. Very quickly, Luke, I did have to mention Ajit Kabayel, the German heavyweight, is like on freaking fire. Now three straight body shot knockouts. He had knocked out unbeaten Frank Sanchez, and now he went in there against Big Bang Zhang, who did not have his best night at 41. But Zhang knocks down Kabayel in the fifth round.

Kabayel gets up off the canvas and stops him the next round. He showed as active body punching as like any heavyweight on this level we've ever seen. I question if he was for real coming in. This was a big statement toward him being for real. Now he's got the interim WBC title. Can this guy crash the top end of this heavyweight division party or does he get hit too much? Like you know what I mean? Like there's some things to like and not like, but he's undefeated.

He's aggressive. He wants the smoke. I just don't know if he belongs against the true elite. Honestly, there appears to me nothing special about him, dot dot dot, except he's an awesome body puncher. Yeah. Three body shot KOs in a row, do I have that right? Yes.

Like, that's not an accident and a lot of heavyweights are not very good going to the body. Adria Caballela is, but to your point, BC, he also gets hit. Dude, he's just a fun... Let's just say this out loud, and I can't believe i'm saying this but it really is true the heavyweight division in boxing is so much better than the heavyweight division in mma well that's not even a comparison or conversation well okay but that was a much tougher conversation to have some time ago oh yes now it's a fucking blowout where you get guys like Ajay Kabayel who is really good at one thing that is actually very important for winning but has tons of other flaws but that all means together he's going to overachieve at times and he's going to have

exciting underachievement in other times and we're going to win either way as fans. Yes. Like, and you don't even have to worry about oh is he going to be the best in the weight class? Probably not, but who gives a shit because there's a bunch of other guys in front of him. There are so many interesting additions to the boxing heavyweight division right now. Some of them imperfect. Ajit Kabir is totally imperfect, but he's totally welcome. As far as I'm concerned, that's why this is the third greatest heavyweight error of all time. And people get mad when I say that.

Not because I think that all of these names are better than, you know, the 70s, the 90s or compared to any other, but they're fun, they're charismatic, they're marketable, and most of them are vulnerable as shit. Usyk seems like, you know, almost unbeatable. Fury was largely unbeatable. Everybody else is vulnerable AF, and I think he fits into that object, and he's fun. Let's keep it going. By the way, I hate to say this to Joseph Parker. I said it earlier. I want Usyk Dubois next, even though it went the way it went with the illness and the pullout and all that. Sorry, Joseph Parker.

But how about Joseph Parker? Adject Caballel? How about that fight? Joseph Parker, Adject Caballel. Sure. Sure. I know that's, that's not fair to Joseph Parker, but also if, if Dubois really got sick, it wouldn't be, should he have to go through Parker? I don't know. It's, you kind of, you have a chance of undisputed. You take it. That's my theory on that. But yes, I mean, again, there's tons of fun fights you can make. Yes.

You know, there's not one that I have to see with Ajay Caballero in five seconds. Callum Smith against Joshua Boatsey. Dude, that was almost the fight of the night. It was a wonderful fight. I completely slept on it. It was about Boatsey strong early and then Callum Smith. Absolutely a lot of heart, tons of heart and then came back and put it on him a

Surprisingly very good fight on this one. I see Callum Smith against Benavides or Morel But Madramov and Ortiz was the best one. Oh, sorry the funnest one. I think I would say pure fun. I think Boatsy Callum was a better action fight But I like the adjustments on the Ortiz fight a lot more and the different styles and contrasts and all of that. Oh, let's go quickly to topic number three. It's to close out this Saudi Arabia super card before we get into all things, Ipokes and UFC Seattle and a banging all action crowd that they had for that one. And that's Turkey Al-Ashiq.

And what we saw picked up on ringside cameras during the middleweight title bout, the only one of the seven fights we haven't talked about, and that was Carlos Adamis defending his WBC middleweight title against unbeaten power puncher Hamza Shiraz. And it ultimately being a dispute, would you say controversial or just disputed draw in the end, this fight? Brent Brookhouse of CBS Sports, my colleague did have it a draw. I had it about seven, five,8 for Adamas in my head.

I thought Adamas probably deserved to be the narrow victor, but I got to be honest, I didn't think him... He probably deserved to win. I wouldn't go to the mat to say it had to be a draw, but I'd be lying if I said being a draw was somehow offensive to me. It was not. He lightly exposed Shiraz. Yes.

He did, right? I don't think Shiraz threw enough punches to have won that, but it was an interesting fight. But before the 11th round, the end of the 10th round, ringside cameras picked up Turki Al-Ashik running to the corner of Shiraz. Now, Shiraz is officially a Riyadh citizen ambassador, and we know Turki has favorite fighters that are kind of like in the inner circle, like Tyson Fury,

like a few of Mark Chamberlain was this guy for a while and Turkey appears to be screaming toward the corner to tell Hamza that he's down two points. What we don't know is if he got that from the fourth AI judge that Ring Magazine is experimenting with, which did have Shiraz down two points heading into the championship rounds. Or Chris Mannix's unofficial card on Dazon had the same score. But the videos kind of were alarming in their own way, and I want to get Luke's take, people have seen my take on Twitter.

Let's first check out the video here of what Turkey did. Two points, you lose it, two points. You're not playing, you lose it, you lose it. You must let go. You must let go. Stop it! Stop it! You must let go. You must let go. You must let go.

You must let go. You must let go. You must let go. You must let go. You must let go. You must let go. Now, to some it's much to do about nothing, but here's the situation. We don't actually know what the real scorecards were at that time. Normally, major boxing fights, they tweet a picture of the scorecards ringside. The PR guy of the lead promoter will do that.

They did that on the Ring Magazine account for the main event. They did not do it on this one. So a lot of people are like, well, what's the issue? Well, a few issues. Number one being that no one outside of the corner is technically by commission allowed to be running up there and screaming in like that. It has happened before. People have talked about the Tank Davis versus Mario Barrios fight.

Do you remember that pay-per-view? The one in Texas? Yeah, where Floyd was Tank's promoter, right? Oh, yes. And here's what happened. We can see this. During the rounds, Floyd says, look, on the Showtime broadcast, you're unofficially,

I think he said even or down, and Tank was like, what? And it turned out to be a turning point moment in the fight. And people are like, hey, BC, what's the issue? And I say it like this. That was Floyd, Tank, Floyd was his individual promoter. Which is why I have no issue with Frank Warren or Eddie Hearn, which they've done many times being a cheerleader, running up and down,

jumping into the corner sometimes to encourage. I think the setup that we have now with Turkey Al-Ashiq in Saudi Arabia, where they are paying the fighters, making the fights, controlling the event, having financial relationships with the sanctioning bodies. It's a different model. If anything, Turkey's more Dana White right now. He's more, I guess Al Heyman to some degree, but more Dana White, right?

To me, this is a bad, bad look, whether it's just, oh, Shiraz is one of Turkey's favorite fighters and he saw the AI scorecard and he just wanted to encourage him. Is that the end of the world? Well I want to ask you if if we just have a UFC main event, Sohuto versus Song Yedong and Dana White's running in the corner of Sohuto going hey tell him oh captain your why is captain not in his corner? Tell him he's down two points. I don't know why he wasn't by the way but tell him he's down two points like I would be like okay that's a little bit too far that's the promoter.

It's different in boxing because boxing has individual promoters. Every fighter on that card had their own promoter. So, Turkey's more of the... He's the judge, the judge... I mean, he's the law. The buck stops with him. So, either that's just him being too much of a public superfan, or at worse, it's the guessing of impropriety.

Did he go overlook the judge' scores to get this? There is video of him once the 12th round ended that he got up and sprinted around the ring. I don't know what he did from that. Did he check the judges' scores? I have no idea. I think just the fact that it sniffs that is awful. Luke, how do you chime in on this?

Is this much to do about anything or is this potentially kind of a gross look when you consider how these fights are made? I mean, I wouldn't call it the biggest scandal I've ever seen, but it's clearly inappropriate and unprofessional and should not happen. There's not open scoring for the house fighter or the preferred fighter of the promoter. It doesn't work that way.

If there's going to be open scoring, well, then is open scoring for everyone. That's not what this was. This was Turkey for whatever reason, maybe he likes the guy more or whatever. You mentioned to me that Shiraz is a Riyadh season fighter, correct? I've read that he's an ambassador. Yes. Yes. I mean, so he has some kind of an official relationship with the larger brand and then they're giving him the scores. Now, of course, I'm not changing the outcome per se, but they're

giving him the scores, which kind of influenced the outcome. It could certainly influenced about and they didn't give that to Carlos Adamis. This is favoritism. Again, maybe Turkey didn't see it that way. We should also be very clear about this. Turkey on the one hand seems like he very much has an idea about wanting to control the sport. And on the there are times though, where he just acts like a complete goofball.

And it can be a little hard to disentangle the two. And it could also be the case that no one's ever really explained to him you can't actually do this But this is the problem with one guy basically footing the bill for essentially everything he feels it seems like I'm going to make some a point to guess here seems to me that he feels a degree of entitlement to Interfere in these ways and it probably doesn't even occur to him that it's necessarily all that bad if he's doing it nakedly on camera. It's the same thing to me.

The rules have to be applied equally period. This shit is too difficult. Carlos Adamis, maybe he deserved to draw. Maybe he did, but he deserves an opportunity to be treated before the rules just the same as Shiraz, that didn't happen. To me, it's the same thing as when Turkey was interviewed by Mike Hoppinger on ESPN and admitted to, hey, I've been effing up the news cycle in the last 48 hours by giving everybody false info from my Ring magazine account to shift the Canelo negotiations in my favor. The fact that he so brazenly shared that shows that he comes from a different business.

He doesn't know the, you know, the quote-unquote rules or the etiquette. But here's the deal. Do I think at the end of the day that he was rigging that fight for Shiraz? No, I don't officially think that. Do I think that he ran over and saw the judge's cards? No, I bet you he was looking at a monitor that had Manix's scorecard or he was looking at the fourth judge thing. Totally fine.

Do I think that there's all this pressure and manipulation behind the scenes on the judges and referees? No, I'm not saying that. But I think moments like this tell anybody who doesn't know that nuance that it's very possible, if not it's happening right in front of you. So you would want to avoid any sniff of that in my opinion. And I know that he has favorite fighters. The mere appearance of impropriety is enough to have the thing because you're controlling every Element of that event and card so you don't want to put that out. It's so like I know he's a Tyson Fury guy Sometimes he's in the interviews with Tyson Whatever but like I don't think he's actually manipulating fights

He's gone in before and said last fight first better be a b-ball fight at the end. He said I thought b-ball one It was like okay great. That was a great great answer I don't think he's manipulating results either no but you don't want to put that out there that's what I'm trying to say also did you hear the bone crusher in the background I just have to say I got a hot four fever call that bitch Bonita knock the apple off any bum with a hollow heat seek I just had to put that out there also get the alert ready I got breaking news can we hear can we hear it I got breaking news for you this is from a guy who I trust he reports breaking news. Can we hear it? I got breaking news for you. This is from

a guy who I trust. He reports breaking news a lot from Leo Gimarais. Julianna Pena is going to fight Kayla Harrison for the title. This will be 7th of, I believe June, UFC 316. Ooh, where is that located? That will be in Newark, Newark, New Jersey. Yes, they just announced that. No, I thought it was June 7th. Yeah, so it's June, I don't know how you say June in Portuguese. I'm reading the Portuguese thing here. Oh, gotcha, gotcha. Yes, June 7th, Kayla Harris, I don't know if it's the main event, but Kayla Harrison, Julianna Pena from Leo Gimaraes, who is usually very, very good with this stuff.

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I love it and And again, wearing it today. Let's get back into the show and let's get back into topic number four and a shift to mixed martial arts. UFC Seattle. Look, it was a really good card on paper and then took a ton of hits in terms of the matchmaking and there was last-minute scrambling, but it played out with some all-action bonanza. I believe they were seven for seven in finishes to kick it off. The crowd was absolutely on fire, but Luke, the main event definitely stole the headlines when Henry Cejudo was poked in the eye unintentionally

by Song Yedong in their bantamweight fight that had a lot of, you know, top 10 implications here. It was the second foul for Song. No points taken away though from Jason Herzog. You know, some mild, consistent warning though. So here's my question. From Sohudo Milking every second of the five minutes allotted to him to referee Jason Herzog not taking the point away and then forcing the start of the fourth round so it could go to the scorecards and become a technical decision and not a no contest by the way. I want to know from you, did Herzog handle

the situation properly? And do you also believe that Sohoudo acted shamelessly in looking for a way out and maybe that fueled Herzog's decision? A lot to get into here. How do you think it was handled? I think that there are okay about the shamelessness of it all. Let me let me do some polling here. Long Island Luke, to what extent do you believe Suhudo actually had difficulty seeing? Uh like 30 percent. Tell me why you are largely but not totally skeptical. Because I think as soon as the fight restarted again, he started getting pieced up and then was looking for a way out of the fight. So then in between rounds, he starts going, I can't see, I can't see.

Like you could see two minutes ago when you decided to resume. I do agree with that side of it. I don't know why. Why did you think he said he could see because he didn't say he couldn't see? Yeah, he took the five minutes and then he continued fighting. If you can't see, say you can't see. He's basically saying he only came to that decision after he realized that he was so compromised that song was lighting him up But so who don't kind of did say that in the mic afterwards like you know

I'm saying what do you mean saying that it really wasn't until he tried to fight with? Post I scratch that he was getting hit up He was getting it up, and he started to realize like this isn't fair. I can't see guys So like I agree with what he's saying, but I think people expect way too much of fighters in certain respects, way too much. He probably did try to tell himself, I can see through it. It's fine. It's whatever. And then we're here. Let's let's, you know, he does racist shit at press or weigh-ins and he says a bunch of dumb shit But this is a very decorated combat sports athlete who had I think deserves some benefit of the doubt here I personally don't find him I mean dude every time we get to one of these situations where a foul ends up changing or ending about Half of the discussion is about how the toughest people I've ever known in my life are actually just malingering on camera. It does happen, it

mathematically has to happen. I think going to that as an explanation to me doesn't really help the conversation much. That's the first thing I want to say. Second of all, in terms of how Henry handled it, there is a I think an argument that he didn't handle it all that great. I want to come back to it. But the first thing I want to say is, can we time out? Time out on this. Whoa, whoa, what's going on right now? You about to tell a secret? When the UFC launched their new gloves, we didn't get enough data to really know if this was true or not, but they did make claims, and I went back and I looked, they did make claims that these should at least in theory

reduce overall eye injuries or I don't know if they put pokes on there but it was supposed to limit any kind of issues that the old gloves had. So it wasn't supposed to limit knockouts? I don't think they put that on there. Yeah yeah yeah. Okay and obviously there was some preliminary data that the new gloves were minimizing KOs, but as most people who was what we're watching that who compiled the statistics said, it's still a little too early to tell doesn't matter. UFC pulled the plug and they went back to the old gloves. Now again, I don't even know if the new gloves were going to fix our meaningfully reduce

I pokes BC, but they at least put that as something of a selling point when they gave it to us, if we're going to retreat to the old gloves, that means no matter what you're going to retreat to the old problems. And given that we've had more elegant solutions to this problem, either to the power lock, Everlast glove or the Trevor Whitman glove or the pride glove, the UFC bears some responsibility here for going to what is basically old technology that doesn't do anything to meaningfully curb the problem. That's, that's actually the first thing I should say here. Everyone wants to make this about Henry and Herzog.

And I'm like, the gloves play a role. We went, we would they, the UFC chose to go to gloves that they know do nothing to stop. Yeah. But not having a culture where you enforce points and I'll get to that in a, in a timeline that makes more sense that cause it's affecting fights. That's bigger than the chains. Fine.

But I think having a conversation about the problem has to start with, we actually have some reason to believe there are already better technological solutions to this problem and they don't want to go to them. I don't understand why that is. That's problem number one. Problem number two with Herzog, I don't have, first of all, I like Jason Herzog a lot as a referee. I think way more often than not, he gets it right.

I truly believe that. I know he trains. I know he cares. I've spoken to him a few times privately. He's a locked on kind of guy, but it's a difficult job. They're not always going to get it right. I don't think he got it right necessarily here. Going from the third to the fourth round, I don't have an issue with that. That's just the nature of the way the rules were being implemented at the

time. Not taking a point from Song Yedong to me is just indefensible. There was the ball kick in the second round, which they partly stopped. Then there was a bad one that they stopped for in the third round. Then he follows that up with an eye poke that goes fucking knuckle deep and the warnings were not strong Not at all into his fucking brain understand what happened Henry suhuto was fouled and then ultimately fouled his way into beat like in terms of receiving the foul Fouled his way into losing guys if your system is set up where the person who gets fouled ends up losing the fucking contest, something is off about your rules. And I know there are rules where if the bout goes long enough, then you judge and blah, blah, blah. I get all of that.

I don't think I even said Song Yidong won a technical decision. He won a technical decision. After three rounds of judging. But this is the point. If he had been deducting, if Herzog had deducted a point, this would have been a majority draw. So it didn't even matter if it would have gone to the fourth round. He wouldn't have had the L. How is it that Henry Cejudo is supposed to be the guy that gets kicked in the balls, poked in the eye, and then he's the one that has to lose?

What the fuck are we doing with that? I was going to say that I think two things can be right. I think three things can be right. One, I don't actually think Cejudo deserved to lose this fight for that same point you said. We have seen fights in recent years that met this sort of same thing, where there was like a fighter could use the question of can you continue or not strategically. So when I say two things are right, I think Sohuto, it's not his fault that he got viciously followed, you know, on that third one after no strong warnings or taking away of points.

But I also think he attempted to milk the system, which is a veteran move at a level that was like egregious like extreme so first I want to show what's a hoodo posted in this look he got legitimately injured Let's be and this is what's a hoodo posted in response first the picture of it, and then do you have also the description? We just got the picture. Oh, it looks like me after five gummies. Um, so he mentioned three different like doc, like corneal abrasion and some other ones as well. So three different damaging things. He was, uh, cause he went to the hospital to check it out. But then number

two is him sitting down and milking it and he got booted. I think it rightfully so it gave the impression that he's. Why is his vision supposed to just materialize on a timeline? That is pleasant to the fan. But you can't act like he wasn't also milking it, even though he got effed up and it wasn't his fault, he was also milking it. How do you say milking it? What does that mean?

That strategically trying to figure out how do I use every possible second here. Why shouldn't he do that? You get five minutes. It's not illegal. What is wrong with him doing that? I want everyone to take a moment to think about all of the decisions that as prize fighters, MMA fighters don't get to make. All the decisions that get outsourced to other actors. And we go by the way, how many times we had a pit bull cruise issue last time, Floyd Mayweather before I don't like these gloves.

I'm not going to fucking wear them because Floyd was the one putting his health on the line. He'll be damned if someone's going to put gloves on his hands that he doesn't approve. And we're back to that here. And that's just one I could pick many him taking the five minutes to make a more informed decision whether while it was not pleasing to watch in real time is one of the few things he can do to take control of a bad situation fuck everyone who thinks he was out there fucking hamming it up and doing the robot and fucking knuckle tricks

and our brand the cruise fight pulling knuckle pulling pulling fucking nickels from behind his little kids here Okay, so what the rest we go are you ready? The time was off the five minutes were up and he still was kind of walking the other way like I get that He's got a fucking eye injury and he's trying to make a decision But I'm poked in the eye real bad. Yes, and it didn't come up worse than ever My vision did not come back after five minutes I know part of my anger should go more in the direction of Herzog the rule the Commission rules everything about that It seemed like Henry got effed but long out Luke. I want to get your opinion

We can't act like Suhudo wasn't trying to milk every second an opportunity here almost shamelessly I agree and I was rooting for Henry Suhudo. In fact, that's the only bet that didn't get me a perfect week So I wanted him to win dude, but I still felt like he was milking it. Okay, you're saying he's milking it. Tell me why he shouldn't. That's a fair question. There's no reason why he shouldn't. Then why are we talking about it? Because most fighters, maybe it's the pressure from the crowd booing and stuff, most fighters never take even close to the five minutes. I'm not saying they shouldn't.

Fighters make terrible decisions with their lives every day. How is that a basis of comparison? Okay, Sohoto was diagnosed with diplopia, soft tissue damage, and a corneal abrasion? So it's not nothing here, okay? This is legit. I get what you're saying. This is not wrong. I'm not telling you he didn't milk it.

What I'm asking someone to tell me is, what is the problem with that? Especially in the face of the way the rules are almost against the person who got followed. Look, bottom line, the biggest culprit. There's one more culprit here. The biggest culprit is the system. I want to say Jason Herzog, but it's the commission system

not putting more of an emphasis because they don't want the referees to be part of the scoring in the end. That's why I feel like there's such a culture of, let's warn, warn, warn. It's never aggressive enough. It's never consistent enough. And they keep giving these guys extra, extra chances.

This changes the fight. You only get three rounds. I know this was a five round fight, but like these moments change the fights. So I really wish that it was established in the system that I don't care if it's an accident. You viciously follow somebody. Maybe you get one warning. You get one warning of one foul. Now like there's levels of what the second foul can be. The second foul can be an accidental abrasion on the crotch. There's a difference between that and a full through illegal punch or knee or what we saw here with an eye poke. Shouldn't a referee have an ability to discretion where that,

where in this case I'm going to jump through the warning? No. You get a point taken away. You may have not have done it intentional, but you sticking your finger into the brain is going to change this fight and take away from your opponent. So the point is the penalty, whether it's your fault or not, establishing that will obviously teach a new culture. They had to do it in the NFL to protect the quarterbacks. You had to learn how new way to tackle. It is what it is.

I couldn't agree more. Jim Miller, by the way, talking on the, on this morning on Twitter saying he's been poked in the eye two different times and fights and both times it resulted in, um, not like total loss of vision, but permanent loss that he was never able to get back. Dude this is no fucking bullshit. This is when people like he milked it or you know how bad was it. Guys he got poked in the fucking eye in the middle of a cage fight. Have a little bit of sympathy for this guy but the one thing I will say that- It should have been a no contest. I get why it wasn't but I think it should have been.

Okay but this is the one area of blame that I think so Hutto has to accept and not Just him all fighters guys If you've ever talked to a prize fighter They know like how to do their game in MMA like the back of their hand right especially the elite ones But even the elite ones don't know the rules of MMA. They don't know that they don't know the Commission's rules to me if you knew the Commission's rules and you still couldn't see that great and you knew that it was a five round bout If it goes to the next round, they're just gonna go to the fucking scorecards because remember So who don't asked Herzog for a point deduction on on song and it is his right

But actually it was hilarious. He was like hers. I was like, can you continue? And he's like, you should have took the fucking point away. He's right. And then referee Herzog has a right to, it's his discretion, but if they're not gonna do that, and you know the rules, say you can't fucking see because it turns out he actually couldn't fucking see. That's actually telling the truth. But this is what I mean.

MMA fighters are robbed of so many decisions from the beginning of camp to after the fight that other combat athletes get to make. That would be one he would get to make and he punted it away. And so when that happens, well, now the commission is going to make a decision for you. Fighters of the world, don't do that. Don't do that. Take control of the decisions that there are actually empowering you to make.

It's the same thing of the people criticizing the Haney's for letting Ryan Garcia miss weight and then they just, you know, they kept going with the fight. You know what I'm saying? Like in that situation, you could have been like, no, this guy's out of control. He's disgracing me. We're not doing the fight. That's right. They could have done that. They had a choice and then they let the commission run away. Yes. I don't want to miss the point of this fight. So even though they... So let me do it this way. So Hudo wants a rematch and he's still tweeting about it.

Song Yidong in the post fight interview said, I'll give him a second chance. Let's hear Dana on the topic. Obviously, Henry and Song seem like they want to have the rematch. Is that kind of what you're thinking that they should run that one back? Not at all. Not at all? Not even a little bit.

Why is that? I just don't want to see it again. Do you? No, I thought it was a good fight leading up. You want to see it again? We should probably do it in a little bit. Why is that? I just don't want to see it again You know, I thought it was a good fight leading up and then I see it again. We should probably do it in a couple months It depends on the eye, right? Yeah Okay, okay Let's let's talk about the actual fight. We did get two and a half rounds of material I know that I know they did finish the third but but you know, it was a different fight once Henry was compromised to be fair

Look Luke. I want to give Suhudo credit at 38 for really trying to improve his game, trying to add like there was a lot more offensive variety in this, a lot. There was a lot of a commitment, he looked like a young guy for a while. There was a commitment to moving and really trying to uniquely create offense that I don't think is sustainable at 38. And I think he's going to, you know, in his game, he showed a great chin in there. And if he wants to, he could be a part of some

all action fights between big names. But I think we learned through three rounds there that the super elite version of him, he can capture it for little pockets, little moments, but I don't think he can do that over a five round fight against these horses. I know the fights with Marab and Aljo particularly were close and competitive, but I think we learned in those coming off the long layoff that he just was a gear too short.

He needed another gear. This, he expended all the energy he could to stay relevant to try to round out his game. Like I said, I saw moves in there I'd never seen from Segundo before. It's not gonna be enough. I think we learned that through three rounds here against these guys. Because I think Song is of the lower end of the elites and Song was putting it on him, dude. I thought it was reasonably competitive. I thought the guts of Henry in the mind kept him in there. Yes.

But he has to take a lot of punishment to be at the top. I mean, don't get me wrong. I thought Song was better. I thought Song was winning that contest, but I thought, you know, Henry was making it competitive overall and certainly in some spurts. And so, you know, song winning in some sense, like is some, you know, is not an affront to what transpired in the cage per se. But I'm a little bit with Dana, like I don't have a strong need to do this. I just feel bad for Henry. He hasn't won a fight in five years. He's 0-3 since whatever you want to call that retirement sabbatical that he was on. And, you know, there's an, I said this

before, there's an argument to be made that when he retired, there were a bunch of bantamweights in front of him that probably would have, one of them would have beaten him at least, you know, like that, you know, it wasn't like he was going to go on some forever title reign. But the other reality is he walked away at the peak of his powers, and we are far past that now. And the division, right when he left, suddenly was top to bottom, the deepest and most incredible in the sport. If it's one thing to compete at 32, 33 at Bantamweight,

try doing it 37, 38, it's fucking tough, man. And he was game on Saturday, and he, I mean, we're not impressed. Yeah, he didn't look like shit by any stretch of the imagination. We're not impressed with parts of his game. I mean, it was there, you know? There was times where he would get hit and then fire back, and he showed I mean he didn't look like shit by any stretch of his imagination. Were you not impressed with parts of his game? I mean it was there you know. There was times where he would get hit and then fire back and like he showed some life like for sure. Once we realized he couldn't take a song down and keep him down then it became a different fight. Then he he needed all the

creativity of the offense to try to hang the song but through through executing that at his age he's gonna get lit up. I want to say this too looked good. And again, I thought he was winning fine It was a fun fight to know it's a good fight. I was a little bit pick each other off at a kickboxing range But I didn't think song looked Amazing. That's a good conversation to have I didn't think it looked long. I don't Luke How did song look to you? Yeah, I agree. I mean you guys said it earlier He's like that lower end of the elite rise.

I don't think he's ever gonna be a champ. Will he ever put it together is the real question. I mean, he's still got time. He's still very young, so I don't want to count him out. I think he has like 14 UFC fights. I keep waiting for there to be this one performance where I'm like, okay, fuck, he's arrived. And it hasn't happened yet.

And this fight was, I think, if there was was no eye poke this fight could have been that you may Not getting the stoppage here It depends how much more so Hutto was gonna take a hard to say hard to say even if you beat So Hutto who gave a like I said we gave gave a very good effort that that would have been the win and now it's It's the I poke fight right I'm saying so it's unfortunate in that regard Um what one more thing with Dana they did ask him about the whole point situation Do you believe a point should have been taken? If you thought it was intentional. If you thought he intentionally poked him in the eye.

Talking about. Do you believe it was intentional? Yes. Why would he poke him in the eye? He was doing pretty well. If he was getting his ass whooped and poked him in the eye, you could probably. No, dude. Make the argument. But you probably know dude make the argument But you're not sure it wasn't intentional No, but dude he's so fucking wrong like I agree and I know that everyone oh, you guys are always hating on him. I'm not even hating on him because I think a lot of people actually think this.

Guys, a foul does not need to be intentional to be a huge fucking problem. BC, how many times have there been a pass interference call in the NFL roughing the passer, you name it, where you thought, I don't, I mean, he wasn't obviously intending to fuck with this person in this way, especially on these quarterback hits, but they still throw the flag anyway. Yes.

What the fuck are we talking about? There is an entire sub in the rule book in the rule. I'm not even making this up in the rules about intentional fouls versus non intentional fouls. It's the most worthless fucking distinction imaginable because everyone they're walking around like fucking three students. They have nothing in the rules to prevent somebody from doing this, which is what song did anytime. So who does about the throw?

It's your fault. Okay, like it can be an accident and still be a disaster for the other guy and still make it unfair for the other guy and it can be negligent to a degree, not intentional, but negligent. That's what this was. And he had already filed him previously. This was the second cessation in action, and they never, ever, ever, ever want to penalize. The intentionality is, I cannot overstate this, and please, one more time, double-check me in the bylaws in any fucking state commission. It does not, under any circumstance,

have to be intentional for it to be called. And in fact, there's an entire rule genre around non-intentional fouls. When you die of a heart attack, at least do it on our show for ratings. Be a man about it, all right? You know what I mean? I have, I have-

Leave it all in the playing field, please. Only, only if you bury me in smoke, you understand? You gotta put me in the thing and stuff it full of... I need your last point on intentionality after watching this clip. Was this intentionally racist by Henry Segundo or accidental when he came out with a giant fortune cookie? I did see one Zang being like,

that was a life-size fortune cookie. Yes, yeah, it says what? Song's luck is running low. Round four, TKO. He was right. He was right. He was right. He was right. I mean, that's one of the most least racist, racist things. Dude, I keep saying this. Again, this is an industry where if you mildly insult another person of power or even any kind of thing, where they get really bitter at you and their feelings

get really hurt, and then they tell you to like lighten up on this. Again, there was a degree, there was a degree of levity to this. I don't think the world's going to end. Did he put a guy in jail for a tweet? I just want to point out, just say you like the racism. Just say that. Just say you like doing the jokes like that. You like the racism. It's not really about anything else, but okay, neither here nor there. There you go. Hey, let's go to topic number five and that's the rest of UFC Seattle.

But particularly when I'm talking about this undercard, an electric crowd, which I think helped play a big role in producing a number of great finishes, a few all action bangers. But Luke, let's talk about individual performances in the world. A lot of them outside of pointing out how much more fun it is for a fight night to be in front of an arena with depraved crazy fans like they were in Seattle compared to the damn apex outside of that right from Fluffy Hernandez to Lord Silva to Austin Vandervoort and his UFC debut to insert whoever you want who was the biggest winner on the UFC Seattle undercard man that's a tough one on the UFC Seattle undercard. Man, that's a tough one.

I struggle with this. Cause you want to say fluffy, but you don't want to say fluffy. Cause I want to say fluffy, but I don't know if I can. And I don't know if I'm being too harsh. So, okay. I'm going to say fluffy.

The reason I'm going to say fluffy is because this was a quality opponent. This was a guy who had faced him before, by the way. So this was a rematch and and that can definitely make for its own challenges. Hernandez won the first fight in LFA, and it was a barnburner title fight that went just like this one. And there were many things he showed in this fight that lead you to believe he's got some more climbing in the rankings to do.

Also was, you know, co-main event slot and whatnot. So for that reason, I have- And seven consecutive wins. Yeah, I mean, what, what, the facts speak for themselves as it relates to Anthony Hernandez. However, the tape for me was a little,

mmm. Now, what you told me was that he said afterwards he was injured. We have the video. Well, let's, cause I wonder, I haven't seen it. So I want to react to that. Cause to me, I'll say this, he got a great win. He did exactly what he needed to ultimately in the end,

but there were a lot of problems with the tape on Fluffy in this particular fight. It was a really sloppy fight, but I loved it. Like there were points where I was like, this, I tweeted, this fight's like a thrill ride. It's out of control. And then people were like, yo, this fight sucks. No, it didn't suck. It was exciting. Well, let's hear from fluffy hard fought

You mentioned after the fight that you were on some antibiotics like how serious were things leading into the fight? Let's just say I got off a moxicillin Friday, okay So I'm like shit and then I'm not gonna lie. I messed up my ribs two weeks ago so my ribs are fucked before and it was just like Thank God for the PI they were here, and they helped me every fucking day We got it to be good enough for the fight and went out there and made it happen So yeah, and then we can ask you now obviously because you won the fight

But I know it looked like a tough weight cut yesterday was that Looked like that was the case dude the fucking pills the moxicillin was holding weight I talked to the PIT people too and they said the same thing that when you're on antibiotics It's very hard to cut weight. So while my body was trying to recover. I'm trying to fucking deplete it I mean, so I'm like a dog. It was just a nightmare Okay, but uh, I'm pretty fucking tough between the years and made it happen. Okay, that changes a lot. That's a lot I mean, that's a shitload. I mean, Mademov went through... Like, these fighters all do this.

I'm on Amoxicillin now. Right. Like, these fighters are freaking... So, if that's the case, then I think we should give him a mulligan. Then the answer has to be Gene Silva. Yeah, G-Anne, in fact. G-Anne. I keep calling him Gene. We can call him Lord.

We can call him Lord. Bryce Mitchell doesn't like that. Whatever you want to call him, Lord Silva, Gene Silva, whatever. Dude, four appearances, four finishes. The guy is a promotional highlight machine. He knows exactly how to stir controversy. I don't like the dapping up so much.

That part gets me a little, you know, he does a little too frequent. But but from the personality to the fight itself, to the way the fights are ending. Doesn't he hit off the dapp up, though? Doesn't he like like give you a high five and then he doesn't it's not sneaky but he doesn't wait there's not a there's not a grace period let's put it that way but in any case he is so spectacular he's such a fun adjustment fighting nerds in general are doing incredible things and he's one of the

four most exciting guys in that whole movement. Got to be him. Dude, he's exciting as F, A-F. He took first round TKO of Milcic, Bob Dasarian, four finishes, four fights in the UFC. But this, did this not feel like a coming out party? Like he'd been exciting before, he'd been crazy before, but this took his sort of, like I don't love all of his craziness, but it just shoots through your TV in like a Elvis on the Ed Sullivan show type of way where you're like, he's sort of like, I don't love all of his craziness, but it just shoots through your TV

in like a Elvis on the Ed Sullivan show type of way where you're like, holy crap, I can't stop looking at this guy. Fighters who are unhinged, and I don't mean unhinged like War Machine, I mean unhinged like they've got this sort of weird creative voice in their head making them do weird, unusual, but kind of cool things. Yes. He's got that. He's got that, and it changes changes his it makes him have a weird personality, but a good one He's joyful to joyful. He's vicious Jean Jean Silva, whatever is fucking fantastic, but I'd be curious to know long on Luke Who is your biggest winner on this card? I was gonna say Silva as well, but I want to give a shout out to Ricky Simone

That's a bad that's a KO of the year contender. That's a, that's a take a year off your career KO. Like that's a, he got it. And by the way, Javid Basherat posting right before the show today, he was like, no excuses. I felt great. Weight cut was great. I was ready. He just got me. Yep. That's it. I want to get back just to close on G.N. Silva because he did call out Bryce Mitchell afterwards. So listen to this. After the fight, you called out Bryce Mitchell. I can would offer me an opportunity, a renewed, a very good renewed contract if I beat him. Also, I mean as a guy who fought Ilya and then he took him to the brink.

I mean it was you know finished towards the end of the round so I mean he's a tough opponent that can be dangerous. And I think that he's a tough opponent. I mean he's a tough opponent. I mean he's a tough opponent. I mean he's a tough opponent. I mean he's a tough opponent. I mean he's a tough opponent. I mean he's a tough opponent. I mean he's a tough opponent. I mean he's a tough opponent. I mean he as a guy who fought Ilya and then he took him to the brink. I mean, it was, you know, finished towards the end of the round.

So, I mean, he's a tough opponent that can be dangerous. And as far as, you know, everything else, I think there are things that you can tolerate, especially when you're a public persona, and you say it out loud. I think his interpretation of the Bryce-Ilya fight is incorrect. Yeah, I mean- He didn't push him to the brink. Uh, he... Bryce got pushed to the brink of retirement. Like, that was like a sustained beatdown.

Yeah, Bryce got beat up so bad, he didn't know if he wanted to keep fighting after that. Outside of the recent Bryce... Bryce comments on Hitler and then him on the Jackson podcast and... Outside of all that stuff, right? If G.N. Silva, Lord Silva, improves to five and oh in the UFC by beating Bryce Mitchell Is he like us a featherweight title contender is there is he just a top tenor? Here's what I can say after Saturday John Silva needs to be fighting ranked guys He needs to be fighting ranked guys, okay, you're asking me what's jumping through the screen. The Milsik Bagdasarian's, we're done with that. Like we don't, it's a complete waste of his time.

I mean it was a fun fight, but like now we can clearly tell he is so far past that. How far? We don't know. We shall see. But I did see that Bryce Mitchell said that, you know how he's supposed to have that grappling match against the Israeli guy? He's not going to do that now. He's got a big fight coming up. We didn't say which one, but maybe G.M. Lord. So maybe maybe it was only one Lord BC. That's what that's what that's what Bryce was saying. I mean, I agree with that. But you know, that's another topic. Who knows these guys get, you know, weird tattoos. Who knows? I would have gone fishing with J.C. I'll tell you that much. Okay, we didn't need the math. The two of us. Let me say this. One other thing.

Austin Vandivert. He took the fight on less than a week's notice, didn't have to go through the Dana White Contender Series this time. If it was convenient for the UFC because he's from nearby, that's fine, but he also got himself a dominant second round finish over Nikolai Veretnikov, but we almost had a Paul Daly moment afterwards when Veretnikov after after getting after losing on TKO strikes he did get whooped he almost got submitted around to like he got owned on the ground he would push Vanderford they would have a shoving match to get the double birds from Austin here's Austin talking about that yeah I mean you know

for him I'm not really sure what he's complaining about he wasn't ever gonna get out of the position we were in. And he was just going to get hurt even worse. So he's lucky that the ref saved him, to be honest. Well, I mean, the bonus for you, right? You get the finish, and you also got a really good shot of the double bird that's all over Twitter right now. Oh, shit. OK.

Yeah, I didn't realize that. Of course, our emotions are running. And he starts talking shit and he comes up and calls me a bitch and it's like, I mean, who's cut up and who's getting their ass beat. So, and that's just the way it's gonna go. Luke, a lot of people would tweet that that guy,

what's his name? Not Verretnikov, Verretnikov. That like he, oh, he's gonna get fired now, but what do you think about that moment? He didn't get cut. He didn't get cut I mean, okay Paul Daley when he got cut for trying to hit Josh Kostrych did just that he actually swung at him He didn't retinac off didn't do that. He pushed so did by the way Pavlovich after the Volkov fight Because they were former training partners and that was more pushing. Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right.

It seems like they don't really care about the pushing. It's the throwing of the OK strike. I mean, and you know what? Listen, I think what happened is unprofessional and shitty and should never happen. But I've said this before, these guys were just in cage fights. Their brain, I'm not trying to be disparaging, I mean, serious, like their critical reasoning skills are somewhat compromised.

Oh, their emotions are running so high. Like you gotta be, to me it's always not what they do there, although that can matter too, but mostly once they've calmed down, then talk to them. And if they're still saying stupid things, well then you have a different conversation. But most of the time what you find is these guys like you know I was just feeling it I was I was on edge or blah blah blah I

I don't think it's a reason to cut him other than he's probably not very good We don't have to throw to it, but that's almost exactly what Dana said so it was a good I thought it was a good reaction from Dana to once. I actually saw it was like okay That's a little bit of humanity some right plus. I don't think Paul Daley should have got caught I also don't think Paul or don't he probably should have gotten cut but he should have been brought back There were multiple times people tried to get Daley back in the fold and Dana was like he'll never get back and I'm like All right, whatever, you know, I mean it can go badly There was that Friday night fights that famous fight on ESPN Friday night fights

I forgot the fighters name at this moment where you like knock that dude out really badly You know I'm talking about it's a guy who did the knockout went on to kill Max Coleman's brother Sam. Wait, what? You have to research it. We'll get with a story for another time, but sad situation. Okay, on that note we wrap up the five topics I believe unless you wanted to shout out Iwan Kutelaba against Aibo, Aislan. Yeah, he got us. He may have saved the job right there, right? Saved his job, also, it's like light heavyweight, just. Well, he said the rest of his career begins now, like this was the first day of his career.

Yeah, that's a... You don't believe in the Hulk? No, I don't. All right, Alonzo Menafil by split decision and a sloppy brawl that one fight of the night. How did you score that fight, Long Island Luke? I thought Alonzo took it. Gaff was on Walker, he thought Walker took it,

so I could see it going either way Yeah, and Rob Fon was in a banger and he came up he came on a very close. He did as well Yeah, they're do that and the whole way that whole prelim card was fucking awesome. It was a banger top to bottom Yeah, well I wasn't over overstating that long island Luke that Seattle card in general had insane crowd and great moments. I agree. Crowd was awesome, fights were awesome. Didn't it have that old school thing that some UFC pay-per-views had where it would be like hot early crazy knockouts and that momentum would just carry the whole night

and you'd be like there's something in the air tonight, anything can happen in the main event. It had that feel and then anything could happen because then song was like, let me tickle the back of your brain. Yeah, let me just jiggle your eyes with my fingers All right We're gonna take those topics and throw them and now we're gonna hear from you the fans and don't forget every Sunday night At morning combat on Instagram and and X you have your opportunity to ask us a question

These are apparently the five best if you have a real weird name. We're gonna make fun of you This one's called DMS from dogs front of you this one's called DMs from donks. That's uh I don't know why we still have that I mean we've voiced our opinion on it. They don't care what we think. This is from the guy in the chair Inc. Oh he's he's incorporated now. Do you think ESPN allowing MLB out of their broadcasting agreement after this year is a signal that they meaning ESPN allowing MLB out of their broadcasting agreement after this year is a signal that they, meaning ESPN, are going to make a huge push to re-sign UFC? MLB cited a lack of coverage on their end, I guess on ESPN's end?

Yes, they didn't think that they were getting enough wraparound coverage on the various ESPN platforms. Is does this in your eyes open up room? Because for as of right now, ESPN is set to be out of the boxing scene too, right? When Top Ranks deals up at the end of July, I don't know if they're going to be a part of any other future deals. TKO like who knows? But do you think UFC has a chance to stay on ESPN in some form? And is this move a setup to that?

I think ESPN keeps UFC pay-per-views and I think just about everything else goes away. Maybe they keep contender series, something like that, but like these fight nights, these are going to go somewhere out Netflix, Amazon, something like that. So they're going to spread out. UFC's up to this point has always had one distributor basically. I mean there's some, you know, oh main card airs on Spike, prelims are on Facebook or on... Fuel TV, baby. Fuel TV or something. But in general was all, even fuel was in the, fuel was changed to Fox Sports 1 and Fox

Sports 2 from speed and fuel. So the point I'm trying to make is they were still in the Fox family, even with FX it was still in the Fox family. But I think... There was a Nashville network at some point maybe too. TNN. But they're going to start breaking that up. They're going to start putting stuff here, putting stuff here, putting stuff here, and

they're going to get as much money as possible. All right. All right. Our second question comes from Christina Pinto underscore BJJ. I'm not sure, but I think this person is a medical doctor. All right. Well, Dr. Pintointo happy to meet you here If Ilya isn't successful up at lightweight, where would he go from there?

What would it do to his legacy if he was forced to go back down to featherweight? also, Dana White said at the post fight press conference that Which fighter Diego Lopez had said that the UFC was no longer going to allow champ champs. Dana said that's not true. Toporia made the decision to vacate the bell. He said he would allow champ champs, but only if they're going to stay active enough to defend in both divisions. So I just wanted to clear that up. I find it unlikely that he is going to be overmatched altogether.

You know what I mean? No, his power is going to carry out for them. You know, Islam is a very very tough fight and the other one too is like I don't think Suryukian is as talented as Ilya No, but he is naturally bigger. Is that the best non-title intro fight or is it pori a for? Toporia pori is I think the top three would be Suryukian pori a inch Olivera don't Bronx. Oh, that'd be sexy. I know Bronx would be Saryukian, Poirier, and Olivera. Dough Bronx, oh that'd be sexy. Fucking Dough Bronx would be ridiculous. And I don't think he's overmatched in any of them.

But like dude, Saryukian's ability to just be on you and wrestle the whole time, that's a tough fight for Ilya, bro. A tough fight. So I don't think he's gonna go up there and just bomb, but even I, as a Toporia booster, I'm a little like, I don't know how he's gonna go up there. I don't know what that's gonna look like. Is there any friendship between Ilya and Armen?

Why would there be? Isn't Armen Georgian? Armenian. Oh, is he? I thought he had ties to Georgia as well. I think he's got boys who are Georgian, but he's not Georgian. Luke, you have ties to the American Georgia, but not the other Georgia at all.

Not the American, sorry, not the overseas Georgia, but yes, the South Georgia. Yes. Not the American, sorry, not the overseas Georgia, but yes, the South Georgia. Yes, yes, the whole day through. The home of the fights at the Waffle House. That's what I'm... Just an old sweet song over there. Shouts to Marietta High School in Marietta, Georgia.

The only person I know that... Sarukin was born in Georgia. Oh, he was. Yeah, there you go. Oh, wow, take that and rewind it back. By the way, someone sent me a note on his own Instagram page, Imavov lists himself as 28 years old. So

Feel free once again. Once again the backside of me is payload time While we're on random subjects you were talking about the best short notice fight earlier in a yes The chat put in Danny gave us Diego Lopez. Okay But like saying that that was like some great fight to me is overstating it. That's overstating. Yeah, sure. But it was fine, it was fine.

It was totally fine, totally fine, fine. I'm not complaining. Lennox Lewis Vitaly Klitschko is the answer on boxing. Like holy shit, that's the answer. I might watch that on the way home. Damn, that's good. Okay, Flannels and Jits is back. Where's Daz when you need him, right?

Who is a better MMA prospect, Cody Steel or Cade Ruitolo? So Cade Ruitolo had a fight last weekend with one championship and he got that dominant submission. Yeah, he did. I don't know much about the first fellow Cody Steel. Did he just fight on the other card? He was the one that had the barn burner against Zhang Ru? Rong Zhu. Rong Zhu, sorry. Rong Zhu. And he came up empty. Yeah, he did. Yes, I remember that.

He showed a chin and he showed a willingness to strike He's a terrible defense. Yeah Dude it might be Cade Ruotolo. I don't know it might be cade. I mean I know anything about the rest of his game so true so true, but There's something about those guys have a fire yes, you've got the and And they do, they put you in quicksand so fast. I might think we should get him back on this program. I fucking love Cade Ruelta. I like Ty too, like the both brothers are awesome.

Let's jump on that. All right, also, also, from AOPW underscore figures, who had the biggest promise in their career that just could not live up to it? CM Punk. In MMA, not in broadcast. Are we going in MMA with this one? Who, like, Cody Garbrandt?

Oh. But he did become champion. He touched it, he got there. You're right, some guys never get there. What are you gonna say? I was gonna say, speaking of Cody Garbrandt, they always talk about Chris Holdsworth out of Team Alpha Male. They always say he would have been like the best guy to come out of that gym, but he never.

What do you think, RIP of course? But what do you think about Anthony Johnson who got pretty damn far got into an interim title fight was great and in And it's too poorly. No the answer has to be Gustafson Gustafson had the two best light heavyweights basically ever Yeah, but I don't think that that changes how we like. No, but if it wasn't for them, he would have been champion. He didn't max out. Dude, he gave everything in the

Jones and the Janssen. He gave everything he had up against impossible odds. But he never hit the wall and he got washed quicker than we realized. At his peak in any other era, he would have been champion.

Yes. But it just so happens that he was around for DC and Jones and that that did him in. You could say Cole Conrad at heavyweight. You can even say dude, you can say Cain Velazquez. Cain Velazquez, let me tell you, in terms of what people thought he was going to be, he wasn't some failure by any stretch. He was, hello, heavyweight champion. But dude,

they were talking about him running up the scoreboard on heavyweights for a generation and that simply did not happen. Well, what about our boys of B? That's, we don't want to like talk about it in this, in these terms, but yeah, yeah you're right. I mean, you know, there's still time, ay. And, uh, I mean, there's levels to it. Even on the Super Elite, I wanted more from Habib, right? In boxing, would it be Broner? Yeah, Mere Khan.

Mere Khan? Even though he won world titles, like he, in the beginning, it looked like he could be like, you know, De La Hoya level. Oh, I see. You know what I mean? De La Hoya, how about, you know, like Hall of Famer,

but like- He did a lot. He did a lot, but he could have done a lot more. By the way, dude, how much cocaine was he hiding in his nostrils? Oh my God, I don't want to comment on it, I don't know. Oh, Audley Harrison, the UK Olympic gold medalist that became a bad journeyman 90s heavyweight. That would probably be a big one too.

You know, for a while Tom Dookan was stole my heart. You know what I mean? You're gonna kill me for saying this, but honestly, it's a little bit true. How about Mike Tyson? Yeah. In terms of everything he could have been and what he ended up being,

there's a fucking monster drop off. Yeah, absolutely. Our final one comes have been and what he ended up being as a fucking monster drop-off. Yeah Absolutely our final one comes from hate. Zell hate. Zell What hazel hazel? hazel What's your best mile time ever? That's a great question. So I don't know what my best single mile time is Well, I can't remember. I mean, it's probably not great, but what I can, because here's the thing. Here's the thing.

This is why I can't say pure mile, because my pure mile time, let me back up. The Marine Corps PFT is three miles. The fastest PFT I ever ran was 19 flat. So six minutes and, what was it, 20 seconds, was essentially what I was averaging per mile. I've never run independent of that. I never ran a pure mile.

You never had to do that in school? No, no, no, but I didn't get in good shape in school. I had to get in good shape for the Marine Corps. I gotcha, I gotcha. So what I'm trying to say is once I got to that point, I actually never did a pure single mile race. So the best I can say is roughly 620. You had some fat kid middle school ones

where you're like 12, you just walked around the gym. No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think I ever did worse than like eight or nine or something, but. I always did that. I always did like eight or nine, just screwed around and didn't care. But in my late 20s, I was doing 10 Ks a lot

and I was training for a marathon and there was a mile race and I signed up for it and I ran a 5.56. Whoa! And like my organs were falling out at the finish line. It was the most pain I've, to this day, the most pain even more than the vasectomy needle the first one. Yeah. And and the second one. Just cramps in your guts. I've not felt pain like that. I thought I thought I had injured in the inside of my I mean it's just you know it's just hitting the

wall but like I gave every ounce because one of my high school teammates who used to destroy me in cross-country was in that race with me and he was like we were we were we're you know we're all competitive in everything and we were really pushing each other and I went for it dude my son though Chris who's a all-state runner he's a junior in high school I texted him this morning and said what's your best mile time he said 435 oh yeah he's he's he gets after he's got some D2 schools looking at him I was gonna say you know it's kind of funny when I ran that 19 minutes with the three I'll never forget that morning. I was pissed off. It was a it was that boot camp. I was pissed off

I didn't know what I forget why I was pissed off and I'll never forget this. I remember I had Horrible blisters on my feet. Yeah, and we had to run the PFT that day and I was like man This is fucked and I'll never forget that I remember thinking that the faster and angrier I ran The less my feet hurt because they were just getting warm. You know what I'm saying? fucked and I'll never forget that I remember thinking that the faster and angrier I ran the less my feet hurt because they were just getting warm. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So I was just leaning into it as much as I could just running just running just running and I'll never forget when we crossed the finish line they were like 19 and the other stuff I had I didn't get a first-class pft that time but I got higher than I thought I was going to

and I was like I don't ever want to get those blisters on my feet again, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't actually make me run faster. I think that they did. Shout out to blisters. What do you think you could do with 5K right now? I think my heart would pop. Like 29 minutes? No, I mean, dude, I could walk and go faster than that

for fuck's sake, but I can barely get a full breath. I mean, I'm on the medications that I'm on. Oh yeah, you're like slowly dying. I mean mean I really hope you make it because we can still do things game time decision I don't know if I'm gonna make it to the next pregame preview our final segment by the way in a quick reminder about these fan segments morning combat at gmail.com for this Friday and every Friday we give you the chance with fansubs and dead wrongs. If we said something wrong, you can call us out on it.

Hit that email, but if you send a clear picture of your Jon Son, your submission will not be counted. Mikey is watching. But Mikey may or may not like it. Okay, I scoured the globe for this final segment, and I found on the internet a lot of really weird videos that I'm trying to get Luke to react to. It's called my shit. Have you seen it at all? Have you seen my shit?

Luke, if you and your wife were in a pool hall and a guy came up and touched her buns from behind, what would you do? We would have some problems. Okay, what would you do if your son was at home? Right? Cause he's hungry, watch this guy in the red shirt. He looks like, oh buddy, that's not gonna work. Yep, nope. Here we go, oh! Oh!

Hit him with the bop gun! Wow, that's a... Look at him, he's just looking for trouble. Oh yeah, he kinda looks like me, right? From the distance. Oh, that is not good. Hey, big week for Fat Falls Oh, yeah. He kind of looks like me, right? From the distance. That is not good. Hey, big week for fat falls, though, Luke. Let's bring out the punch machine.

OK. Oh, wow. How are people? How are people getting disfigured from this? OK. Oh, one, dude. Look at that. I think she. Oh, yeah. You're going to need surgery for the rest of your life. All right. Let's head to the living room. Show it. Show it again. I didn't live. I think she lived.

We've all been there. Luke. Dude, that's how Martin Bacoli fell. Four million dollars later. That guy, that's how Martin Boccoli fell over the river. Four million dollars later, that guy is... That's how Martin Boccoli... Imagine if he just never fought again and took that four million. Fuck it. Lived like a king in the Congo. Absolutely dominating figure.

Maidana style. I heard Maidana was in a really bad motorcycle class. He was. Dude, I'm telling you, I was texting you about this. Fucking traffic accidents in South America are so much worse than you can ever imagine. Yeah. You ever take a cooking class? Yeah.

Well, listen to this guy. I remember when I was a kid growing up, my friend Justin and I wanted to make a roller coaster. So we started saving money by putting our lunch money in a shoe box. And after about six months, we had a couple hundred dollars in there, but it turns out that my friend Justin's sister's boyfriend had found the shoe box and he

stole the money to pay for an abortion. Okay, this is looking just about ready. So the first end to go in has already been cooking for 12 minutes. Fun fact, Luke. I've lost my appetite. I don't think that should happen when you're showing spaghetti. That delivery was so casual. Like, oh yeah, that time, right? I was, was yeah she used it for an abortion Hey, your haircut of the week is here I tell you what I tell you what yeah, if you're gonna have dumbass haircuts I want you to have the dumbest ass haircuts and this gentleman is that all right? I think that might be art 100% That's art. Oh my God.

All right. Your billboard. I think of the week. Let's see what we got here. Big booty. Latinos will not be deported. They can stay. It has been decided Luke by you.

I tell you what you want bipartisanship in this country. Very easy way to do it. Let's hear from this Marine. So people keep sending me this. I have to talk about it because it's it's pretty good. So this is a packet from the Marine Corps distance learning program old school. They give you packets. You go home.

You fill them out. You know, stuff about financial aid and how to be a leader stuff like that really random Marine Corps Institute. This might be the most important one I've ever seen. The dangers and concerns of matrimony with an exotic dancer. Not real. I can't tell you the amount of devil dogs who needed, need, will need... To pay for sex.

Should have had this information. Okay, I have a story for you. Lives were changed because they didn't have this information Okay, I don't know if it's real or not, but it probably is let me just say here's how bad of a problem This is in the Marine Corps. Yes ready for this. I've been to two weddings where Marines married strippers I was a guest at the wedding Yes Two of them active or retired they were both active and now they're both actively fucking divorced.

No, I meant the strippers were active at that time? They were active. I've been to two of them. Two of them. That's how bad of a problem it is. Yeah. I don't know how to transition out of that, but to give you your MMA post-fight promo of the week is here. Donald Trump won. I won the belt. Elon Musk is fixing the government. is here. impregnate all the ring girls, collect a bag of cash, and bounce with this belt exactly like I planned to do.

My name is King David MMA, and we're bringing this back to you. Wow. What a post-fight speech. Guys, get over these two bloody cuffs for you right here. What a post-fight speech, man. Holy moly. I don't know if they know this, you're allowed to have a personality beyond right-wing figures. Luke, that uh... Do y'all know that? That interview is brought to you by freedom, okay?

That is uh... Freedom to make terrible decisions. Uh, Luke, if peeing your pants in MMA was cool, then you would call me Justine Kish. Watch this. teen kish watch this it says fighter chokes the pee out of her opponent i don't know if we're allowed to show this look but that is uh hell yeah brother we got some squirters going on wow okay y'all ever dated a squirter okay okay we're out of this one that's a new experience this is so inappropriate rate this guy's's MMA form one to 10, Luke.

Looks loose. Oh yeah, okay. Yeah! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! That's, those are, that's, show it again, show it again, show it again, watch. This is every media figure at the Saudi fight cards Ready? Here we go. Hey, here's the ring magazine coverage Here comes

Wow Actually like some of the guys that ring, but I'm sorry. I'm gonna have some fun with it. Okay, let's let's Let's watch this next one. I don't know. Is this Cannibal Corpse? Look, watch the lead singer. Okay. All right, guys. You've you've had this was me on last Monday show. Yeah, pretty much. Sorry. Let's go to Disney World. Let's hear from Gramps. Go to Disney World. Disney World. Papa, where are you going? Papa, where are you going? To hell. Oh, hell yeah, brother. Hell yeah, brother.

Papa, don't give AF, okay? I'm telling you, the older I get, it's just, you might get an outdated opinion, but you're gonna get a candid one. You start talking to old dudes. They will say the most honest shit just to clear things up, like this guy. All right, just to clear some things up,

I've been to jail twice, and I've been to six different psych wars. Two of those psych wars. They put a catheter in my dick hole. That why is he in front of target that clear things? so I think he cleared the air on that one Luke well I feel like I know more about this gentleman. All right. Let's go sail the seven seas together Which is your favorite of the seven seas? the pussy me too

Look remember when you tried to make me watch that vile two girls one girl one cop you ever hear of two beds four guys Whoa there's two beds four guys Okay, all right, let's let's head to the bike path. Wow. Hell yeah, brother. Hell yeah, that dog is like, fuck your life. The police were called in that situation. You know what? He had a right to do that. All right, watch this MC on the mic here closely

Wow, that is a sodomy in some states Luke that. That's in, that's wow. Okay. Call 911. Let's close this great segment by getting very flatulent. God bless New York City. Did you hear that? Yeah, we did. We did, sir. Yes.

Sounded like a trumpet. Do you just fucking fart right in? Sounded like a trumpet. That was pretty good, right? Would your wife not assault you if you did that? Oh yes, yes, yes. I guess some people have that in the relationship. They can do that. Bro, my wife grew up in fucking 1980s, Colombia I'm getting stabbed. Yeah shit like that. What are we talking about?

Do you there should be an event for like skill farting like do you think you can do a really long one? I have been known to be in first chair at the symphony on my ass. Well, here's your biggest rival?...... ... ... ... ... ... ...

... ... ... ...... Yeah. This guy has a medical. Is this Brazil's got talent? What are we watching? They sound Argentinian. Don't stop.

Don't stop. 40 seconds. 40 seconds. 40 seconds. I'm gonna say what? What? What? What? What? What? What?

What? What? What? What? What? What? What? Luke we have found video look at Martin Boccoli We have found video of you inside the Joseph a bank CCTV Luke that time the three flusher my stretch marks are not I believe this is one of the poltergeist films Luke. Oh, that's that's oh Do what do you watch Oh! Oh, dude, what the fuck are we watching? Dude, dude, dude.

Okay. Oh no, it gets, it goes, it goes other places after that. Other places it goes. Okay. Oh no. Oh no, oh no! Oh! Dude, what? What is wrong with you? Why would you do that? Then if that's the way we're going out, we went out, alright? Are you coming on or what? I think I need a shower. I think I need a shower. Having to watch Martin Bacoli have

diarrhea. Think I need a shower having to watch Martin Bacoli have diarrhea All right, that's all we got for today. That's the shit of the week. Oh my god. Hope you saw it Wow You always wonder is there a limit is there an end? Yeah, well how much is too much? I think we discovered the answer today Thank you long I don't look you have anything to say oh here, here we go. After that, nothing. Slightly breaking news, not really, sort of. Ilya Toporia told the news agency TASS, T-A-S-S, it's a Russian one. Ilya wants a championship fight. He will not fight for the status of a contender with Saryukian or anyone else. Whoa, that's a demand.

So it appears that it's it's the title fighter bust here. That's like a Connor move to say something like that, you know? To draw the line. We'll see if it holds, but yeah. Wow. All right. Sure, are we going to have a lot to talk about on Friday's show? Well... We got Tank Davis this weekend?

Tank Davis is the big one. What do we have in MMA? Oh, that... Manel, Kop, Sue, Alma, Baye. Dude, that main card is balls as in balls bad Yeah, not a balls bonanza. Oh, yeah, deflated balls. Yeah. Yeah. Well the flake gate the flake gate on the old No, there's names on the main card. I've never heard of hold on. Let's you know what I want to pull that up So you said the co-main is is the scariest part of that? The culminate is my favorite fight on the cards

So The Komen is my favorite fight on the card to be fair, all right? So, let's see. We're talking about UFC Fight Night 253, March 1st, correct? Yes. Manel Kopp taking on Asu Almabayev, which is a good fight. That is a very good fight. Komen, Cody Brundage versus Julian Marquez. Wow. Oh, come on. I like Cody, but I don't know if this is a Komen territory. Yeah. Nasrach Haq Par paras versus Esteban Rybovich

That's not bad. That's pretty good. That's not bad. Austin Lane versus Mario Pinto At featherweight Heider Amel taking on William Gomez terrible Danny Barlow taking on Sam Peterson renowned to the prelim card Hikardo Hamo's taking on chip a Maris call. That's not bad I get a Jasmine jazz division. Also first teamius on there? Also, first team all body, Douglas De Silva, Deion Drudge. Yes. Douglas De Silva, Deion Drudge versus taking on John Castaneda. Is this the new low point? Hold on. Andrea Lee taking on JJ Aldrich. That's something.

That's, well, that's something. Danny Silva taking on Lucas Almeida. Neither has a Wikipedia entry. Montana De La Rosa versus Luana Carolina. I'm back in. I'm back in. Yeah. Pants around the Angolinos. No, I didn't mean back. Yeah pants around the And then Charles Johnson taking on Ramazan Kadyrov Tamarov

Close enough. I guess yeah that card is real butt cheeks Real butt cheeks on that card I feel like they could put the Charles Johnson fight and the chip a Mara skull fight on the main card and swap through Those I agree actually the Charles Johnson one probably should be on the main card maybe it will be by the end one never knows all right never gonna stay tuned at morning combat you can follow us follow I'll follow you anywhere Luke well not to the bathroom bathroom there you go check out our solo channels I'm sure Luke you'll have some piping hot content this week I'm sure of it I have tried I have tried all right what have you been noticing or something no this week, I'm sure of it. I have tried. I have tried. All right.

What, have you been noticing or something? No, I'm just, I'm giving you an opportunity to sell yourself. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, we'll have some good stuff this week for sure. All right. And yeah. That was Long Island Luke you've heard earlier. Thank you to him as well and all the people in the back. I mean, Ken, you know, Ken's the best, right?

Is he? Yeah, look at, look at, look at that mischievous little smile. Yes, for Ken and all of us, thank you. You know what, I gotta give a shout out. I forgot, let's just call it my pen. Two weeks ago here. Your Epi pen? Yeah, let's call it that, sure. And I forgot it here, and Ken took, he put it away,

and then when I came back, first thing he goes, yo, you forgot this, and I said, Ken, did you put your dirty ass lips on it? He said he didn't, so I was back, first thing he goes, yo, you forgot this. And I said, Ken, did you put your dirty ass lips on it? He said he didn't. So I was like, okay, thank you. Okay, well that went places. All right, that's the end of the show and our careers. We'll see you later.