MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Bonfim vs Brown Preview | Dana on UFC Betting Scandal | Jon Jones Rips Aspinall UFC 321 Performance

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

It's a Friday edition of Morning Kombat! For the second straight week, a pair of first-time headliners will grace the Octagon in Saturday's UFC Fight Night main event inside the Apex in Las Vegas as t...he No. 14 ranked welterweight Gabriel Bonfim puts his 5-1 UFC record on the line vs. unranked 35-year-old veteran Randy Brown, who is 8-2 since 2021. Dana White breaks his silence on Isaac Dulgarian, UFC betting scandal. Plus, Jon Jones rips apart Tom Aspinall's performance at UFC 321, calls him overrated. And what's the fallout of the Jake Paul-Gervonta Davis cancellation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:31 It's us doing what we love. It's time to bang. Oh, yeah, that Friday feeling back with a bang and back with a bullet sneakier than Prime Valentino. It's morning combat directly in your face hole on Friday, November 7th, of the 2025s. You know what we do here. Set, ripe, ready to go to preview UFC Warehouse. and talk about all the things you're into, gambling, John Jones, Jake Paul.
Starting point is 00:01:04 Hey, we'll get into some other fun stuff too, BC with that BDE, Brian Campbell from greater Hartford, Connecticut, joining you directly from my basement. Next to me is a D.C. plant and native of India, but he prefers that you look at him in an Armenian vein. It's Luke Thomas, everybody, yes, right? All right. What's up, BC? Is that a new hat? No, no, I got this from Boston. Scali because they like me like two years ago but you know
Starting point is 00:01:33 I like it I like it it's more of a fall thing thank you thank you very much now here's the question you're saying it's a fall thing is it also I'm covering up a bad hair dye job thing no I actually had one of my better hair dye jobs three days ago
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Starting point is 00:02:16 You know, give me two to three days in Dagestan and I'll run away. All right, Luke. But, uh, we are going to have a great episode today, no matter what, in fact. And of course, this today's episode of morning combat brought to you by draft kings draft kings the crown is yours all right uh please like subscribe follow what we're doing here on mk nation and our extended youtube channels follow us on social social social shout out to everybody watching on the draft king's network live on youtube and all you divorced dads audio only on your grocery shopping trip which is just cold beard cheese and cold cuts that smell like keith peterson yeah we we uh we shout out you guys just the same.
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Starting point is 00:03:27 So to the third member of our team, a bong enthusiast, producer, director, and host of the main card minute in a very successful spin-off known as prop quiz, live and direct from a horny Aussie's bag. It's Luke Noseva in the house. Why would I be live from the bag? I mean, you're not here. If your dad didn't come to America and get horned up, we would never have met you, which is great. It's kind of true. It's kind of true. Guys, new prop quiz dropping after the show today.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Danny Segura going against Jose Youngs. It's a great back and forth battle. You should tune into it. So winner faces Ben the Bain for the season two championship? Winner. Yep. Faces Ben the Bain for $100 and then winner of that will face B.C. These seasons seem like, you know, top chef where they cut like five seasons in a calendar year.
Starting point is 00:04:15 We're the PFL. We're the PFL of trivia, all right? We have various brackets. You don't really know who's winning one. This is the MENA championship. I tell you what. You know what we should do? we should we should buy uh we should make a belt average joe has suggested that a few times
Starting point is 00:04:32 yeah that is i mean you have like a big grand championship and have a that be kind of sick actually yeah but then how do i i got to mail it to a person each time you know just keep it and tell them to go fuck themselves oh wait wait we still have the uh that the old uh money lion hammer that we gave we got them we get the mule near after that after that uh photography session where we felt abused and needed a counselor we might be able to get our hands on the hammer but i don't personally have it right now okay all right all right that's great to hear shout out to luke no see you oh luke i finished a painting by the way first time long time here i've been working on this out and off for nine months are you ready let's see yeah i'm totally ready yeah all right i need an honest statement
Starting point is 00:05:09 no hold oh wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait how long have you been working on it uh nine months on and off but uh the last few weeks i've given a lot of time to it the reviews in my house are wife hates it my artsy son loves it my non artsy son said a fourth I could have done that. So we'll see what you think. Okay. We'll go. Can you back up a little bit?
Starting point is 00:05:34 Yes. Honestly, that might be one of my favorites you've ever done. Oh, really? Really? Yeah. I like abstract art. I like it. And I love, dude, can I be honest?
Starting point is 00:05:47 I love the color palette. Okay. I'll be honest. Two thumbs up. I really like this one. Two thumbs up for me. My wife says it's proof that I have inner turmoil.
Starting point is 00:05:58 It's definitely that. It's definitely that. However, I kind of like it. Okay, thank you very much. I know it to get you for Christmas. All right. Yeah, exactly. Send that to me.
Starting point is 00:06:10 I need something to wipe my ass with. Look, before we dig deep into the warehouse and get all bone-femed up, anything you'd like to tell the audience, any recent medical developments in your year? No, on that level, although I've, dude, I, so I have, there's different kinds of e-bikes bc and i've got a one that's like a the the tires are not normal bike tires they're thicker the bike is heavier you can get different kinds we put engines everywhere but mine's a little bit of a heavier one and uh so i have to i can't leave it on the street obviously i have to put it in my house which means i have to go up not five flights of stairs but just five literal
Starting point is 00:06:42 stairs just like that way and normally it's no big deal and it i got it in but my daughter left the pedals down where her feet go because i use that to take her to school and so as i'm taking it up and this thing's heavy you know it's like it's like you know it's like you know it's like three 150 pounds, pushing it up the thing. My knee slams into the metal pedal that she left. Dude, I literally couldn't walk yesterday. It was so goddamn painful. However, I do have good news. A, I can walk today. B. I'm a man of two internets, BC. I have Verizon, and it's been a constant problem. I went hat and hand back to Comcast Xfinity. They show up yesterday, reinstall their thing. So now that X-Finity is running to the tower.
Starting point is 00:07:28 Long Island Luke watched not all, but most of my live chat yesterday. We don't think there was any major tech issues. Quietly optimistic. This might be a great episode in terms of no tech problems. Okay. Love to hear that, Luke. All right.
Starting point is 00:07:43 The days of Luke Thomas's tech issues are long, long behind us. Yeah, they're not long behind me. They're just maybe not right on top of me. How about that? I could go as far as saying Hasselhoff could put his shirt back on and finish the burger, right? Yeah, yeah. I wanted to fucking kill you that day. I really did.
Starting point is 00:08:00 Great moments in M.K. Hey, why are we talking about John Jones? The chat doesn't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. Why are we talking about it? He emerged with some shitty comments that have to be heard. They have to be discussed. We'll be quick on Jake Paul, because I know people don't want that. All right. They're like, I don't want. Remember when the hot chip was like, hey, Theo and Brendan, well, it's for, one man, and Theo was like, I don't want that.
Starting point is 00:08:22 Remember that? oh okay what is this i if you know cats cats understand it's just cats talking to cats oh are you doing skits and bits yeah yeah just a baseball dad over here all right here we go let's move into the show now let's go with topic number one the warehouse is hot on saturday ufc fight night is back and in the main event walter weights gabriel bone theme and randy brown and this road to UFC fight night is brought to you by Total Wireless, the official wireless provider of UFC, get unlimited data that won't slow you down. Now, for the second straight week, a pair of first-time headliners will grace the Octagon
Starting point is 00:09:05 in Saturday's Fight Night, Maine, inside the apex in Las Vegas as the number 14-ranked Walterway. Gabriel Bonfrey puts his 5-1 UFC mark on the line versus unranked 35-year-old veteran Randy Brown, who, oh, by the way, eight wins two. losses since 2021. Luke, we know this is a
Starting point is 00:09:25 style contrast here. What is the most intriguing part of this fight that really, you know, when you look at the, the contrast between them, has the greatest chance
Starting point is 00:09:34 of deciding which 170-pounder comes out on top on Saturday. Yeah, I mean, as we indicated, these are not guys you would typically identify as UFC headliners.
Starting point is 00:09:44 They're not bad fighters by any stretch, but, you know, this is a, okay, absent the controversy last week. This is a similar kind of event. So the question about whether this is a suitable main event and what this means is, I think, an important one, but no need to rehash it. I'll say this. I think if you look at the numbers and you look at the tape a little bit,
Starting point is 00:10:02 Bonfeme, he kind of has a reputation as maybe striker first, and I think that's probably largely deserved. But there's a couple of things here that stand out to me. Number one, in MMA, this sometimes means less than what it does in, say, for example, boxing. But Randy Brown has, I think, a six-inch reach advantage, and he's already kind of lanky and uses his length for the most part pretty well. That stands out to me because Bonfeme is not one of these crouching strikers. He's kind of up tall. And I don't know. I just feel like that is going to be potentially, you know, their jabs are both going to be important. But Randy Brown's jab with Bonfem's posture, I'm not saying that Bonfeme can't be competitive on the feet, but I don't think
Starting point is 00:10:45 that, like, if it's a 25-minute battle on the feet, winnable, certainly, but maybe not the best way to get the job done at a bare minimum. More to the point, B, C, if you just look at the takedowns, and that's really where I think this might be won or lost, which is that Bonfeme averages 4.03 takedowns per 15 minutes, so he's good for more than one around as a statistical average. And the takedown defense of Randy Brown,
Starting point is 00:11:14 73% but how much does he go for the take down 0.79 for 15 minutes like barely at all. The point I'm trying to make here is it just looks to me like if you look at Bonfeme for example he's sort of known as a guy who's got a great guillotine after he takes people down he lets them roll and then like
Starting point is 00:11:30 for example against Trevin Giles and locks up the guillotine or he'll try and re-rack something like he did against Chaos Williams so then he gets the dars choke off of a scramble from a back take and he's very very good about that kind of a thing he goes with a takedown aggressively And in 2024, Brown lost to Elizos, Aleschi dos Santos after he had given up and surrendering four takedons in 15 minutes.
Starting point is 00:11:53 It just seems to me, BC, could you get a striking battle? Of course. And I think large parts of this fight, for the extent that it goes long, will be contested on the feet. But if Bonfem has a way to win, it's not letting Brown have that six-inch advantage on an already lengthy frame. And it's making him work for it in grappling, transition, or wrestling contexts. yeah i would agree with you on that one look if we can if we take this main event and last week's fight night main event even though of the four fighters i guess you could argue that maybe steve garcia at the moment has sort of the highest ceiling and is pointing more aggressively in
Starting point is 00:12:28 the right direction but do you feel like this brown bone theme fight could be better than last week's main event well in part because there are questions you know at this point fairly or otherwise surrounding the effort that onama gave sure that it's hard to say that this could be oh yes this is the answer yes i do think this one stands to be competitive um i do think it is well matched again the question about whether it should be a main event is sort of lingering over the whole thing but just as a fight itself this one feels like it should go longer and also something to be said for this you know brown and a bond theme especially in brown's case you know he's been around here a good long while this is a guy that's
Starting point is 00:13:13 seen good opponents and seen some bad ones and seen some ones in all different contexts. I would suspect, I'd be surprised, I'll say this, I'd be very surprised if this one ended exactly the way that last week's ended or in a similar kind of time frame. The one exception, BC is, again, Bonfeme is very good, sometimes about rocking people or taking them down, letting them scramble a little bit only so he can set up a submission. He stopped guys in the first round in the UFC doing exactly that. think it'll be different, but MMA's crazy. Maybe it won't be so different after all. Let's look at the odds for this one. Draft Kings has Gabriel Bonefim, who technically is
Starting point is 00:13:50 riding a three-fight win streak as a minus 170 betting favorite. Rude boy, Randy Brown, at age 35, plus 142. So a lot of respect in his direction. But I want to ask you whether it's respect for Randy Brown or a little bit of fear for Gabriel Bonefim, who came on the scene, like his brother Ishmael, who will also be fighting on this card, a building with two buildings, one of whom is balding, Luke, yeah, let's go. But Luke, considering Bonfeme, Gabrielle, is fresh off a split decision win against Stephen Thompson, that not a lot of people thought he deserved the win, and he's only two years removed from his lone defeat a TKO loss via knees and punches, is it fair to say that while we know
Starting point is 00:14:36 he can go in there and submit the lights off against B-level fighters, that's, that there's still some trepidation about whether, despite his number 14 ranking, he's on a true path to elite contention here. Yes, that's a totally reasonable question and absolutely fair. You're right about, at a bare minimum, how the win over Wonderboy was perceived. And I think, you know, remember, these guys coming out of contender series, the hype on them was high, right? Because, hey, we're just living in a world where we've seen a lot of Brazilian brother tandems do pretty well. Folks forget, before Shogun, there was Ninja who, but you know shogun and ninja were a great tandem you've seen the Diaz brothers they're not
Starting point is 00:15:17 Brazilian but it's you know brother tandem Matt and Mark Hughes brother tandem and then obviously the patricio or I should say the Pitbull brothers right so there's a million anchos look come on yeah yeah yeah no there's a bunch of brother tanas but in terms of the Brazilian side we're just sort of more recently living through some and this is the thing too as I mentioned you go through some of the early wins they're just outright just smashing these people and what you can get there is something where you don't know which way it's going to go, right? So if you see someone that's got like two, three wins, first, second round stoppages in the UFC,
Starting point is 00:15:47 obviously they're talented. I mean, that's a given. But are they going to go real far, or are they just the kind of guy that can do that sort of thing to that class of opponent but can't really graduate to the next subsequent or two or three levels after that?
Starting point is 00:16:04 They kind of peter out very quickly. That can be kind of fool's gold. And I think some people might be thinking around Gabrielle Bonfine here. Hey, wait a second, it was great when he was doing that kind of thing to that class of opponent, but to the point you raised, BC, hasn't exactly been smooth as he's gone up the ladder and the opponents have gotten a little bit more difficult. Brown is a good opponent, a flawed one, but certainly an experienced one as well.
Starting point is 00:16:28 So this is what I mean, this is a well-matched fight. It's not really a deserving main event, but it's a well-matched fight. You get kind of that answer there, but that's really one of the lingering questions around, I would say both Bonfine brothers but probably a little bit more Gabrielle at this point about exactly how far is he going to go look good early can he maintain
Starting point is 00:16:48 that kind of pace on the pack that's where some of the questions start to arise. Indeed. We do have to pause this conversation for some form of odd breaking news from Long Island Luke Related to our talk about the hammer. Luke Noseeta, what do you got for us? All right. So the group chat was
Starting point is 00:17:06 blowing up when we were talking about the hammer of the month Mnich was at the bomb shelter last week and he took this photo. Okay, okay, there it is. It's just sitting right there on a shelf. Hey, dear Malka, that's no longer yours. F. Money Lion, that's ours right there. Yeah, so we can 100% finagle away to get it. Hell, yes.
Starting point is 00:17:29 I bring that, bring that home. We got it. Bring it back to where it belongs. Luke got all Pedro Serrano. Bring that shit to me. Yes, yes. All right. All right, back to this here, fight card.
Starting point is 00:17:40 Hey, we got some sound here from the rude boy himself, Randy Brown, representing Jamaica and his belief that whoever wins on Saturday, the loser will be unconscious. I love it. I love it. I think he's a tough guy. He's a great fighter. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:17:55 I got a lot of respect for his skill set. Aggressive, fast, young, strong, explosive guy, athletic. I think he's good on the ground, good on the feet. Somebody's going to sleep. Somebody's getting finished. It's one of those ones where, you know, I also don't think that this fight goes to distance. But, you know, I'll be prepared for a hard 15 or 25 minutes, right? But, hey, if it doesn't, which I don't think it will, you know, I'll be prepared for that, too.
Starting point is 00:18:24 Somebody's going to sleep. Luke, speaking of going to sleep, let's do some MMA math here on a common opponent. How much does the fact that Randy Brown is fresh off of an April win by K.O. over one Nicholas Dalby, who happens to be the only fighter to defeat Gabriel Bonefeme, and he did that by TKO and Bonefim's only pro and UFC defeat. How much does that common opponentness factor into this matchup in your eyes? The thing is that Dalby's a bit of a go-getter. He's got a little bit of that, to his own detriment sometimes.
Starting point is 00:19:01 He's got a little bit of that Steve Garcia in him where he's just constantly knocking on the door. and again, it's a strategy where, like, why would a fighter do that? Where they're constantly just kind of just trying stuff and, you know, staying active with at least touching their opponent. Well, on the good side, you just keep knocking. It's just a numbers game. Eventually, there's going to be an opening and you can take advantage of it. And I think, you know, some of what you saw in that fight reflects that reality.
Starting point is 00:19:26 On the other hand, what's one of the challenges? If you go up against a skilled operator and you keep knocking like that, they're going to pick up on it and they're going to tear you to pieces. So what you have to ask yourself is, is that how Randy Brown is going to fight? I don't think so, B.C. Randy Brown, to me, fights a little bit more methodically. He fights a little bit more. I think he tries to, I think Randy Brown fashions himself a little bit more of a slickster.
Starting point is 00:19:53 And Dalby fashions himself more as like a jackhammer, constantly, you know, just trying to make the fight, to break with pace, to break with pressure. Brown's not exactly that kind of a fighter. Now, B.C., on the flip side, Brown is also, I think, a pretty accurate striker. Generally speaking, pretty good about finding the target, has a lot of different kinds of weapons. But I don't want to lose sight of the fact that the common opponent sometimes can be quite significant.
Starting point is 00:20:22 I just feel like Brown fights in a way that works well against Dolby. Bonfine does not, but that doesn't mean that Brown, the way he fights, is like a uniquely bad matchup for Bonfeme. I guess time will tell, but I have some skepticism about the math there. All right. Well, speaking of bomb themed setbacks, whether it be the TKO lost to Nicholas Dalby or the sketchy-ish win or disputed win, if you will, over Stephen Thompson in which
Starting point is 00:20:50 it did show us where Bonfem is at, and at least to add of those questions we talked about, here is a translated recap of Gabriel Bonefemes interviews this week, talking about what he learned from those fights. Paul, I'm very happy to be here. I feel very great. For grateful, God, have you been giving me this opportunity to not only fight in the UFC, but in the UFC main event, so it's a dream come true. It was what I wanted.
Starting point is 00:21:18 This is exactly what I wanted to fight three fights a year, so I'm getting three fights this year and hopefully next year I can do the same thing. If I would die, it was a huge milestone of change for me. Now I grew more, and I said I need to adapt, I need to grow. adapt and I need to grow and I'm more more confident I can fight three five round fights I just I needed that loss to grow and it really developed my full potential so that did a lot for me ah this will me faze me faze devils I love to fight diverse fighters do I fought wrestlers I fought strikers this makes me grow
Starting point is 00:21:49 and evolve and adapt so I can be ready to want to be the champion of the division ah a lot of Steve Thompson was was a test for me Steven Thompson is all the way around the guy one the most experienced guy in the division so of course after and analyzing my fight with him. I grew so much. It was so, I grew more from the fight than knew my losses. So I learned more from fighting Steve Thompson and winning with all the experience,
Starting point is 00:22:13 then I learned from my losses. I believe to be very keen about the fight. Like, he's a guy that could not blink. I had to stay focused and dialed in the entire time. I had to defend every, if I blink, you'd kick. So I defend his kicks and be aware of very weary. He's got good take down defense. So just overall mindset and me to be dialing the fight.
Starting point is 00:22:31 to be dialing the fight. That was the biggest rule I had from fighting Stephen Thompson. So, I have been fighting guys. They're long, very long, with long range of good strikers. So it's going to adapt and fall right into my game. And I think it's going to be an amazing performance of me on Saturday. Ah, I believe I will knock him out. I'm going to press him with pressure forward and volume.
Starting point is 00:22:52 And I think eventually I'm going to lay my punch and knock him out. Let's check in with our betting. By the way, who was translating there? Derek Koenig? No, that was Jorge Gersel. Oh, all right. We're Franklin's longtime partner slash coach, training partner, all that stuff, yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:10 You don't mean life partner? No, no, no, I don't mean life partner. I mean, like, Jim partner, like. I mean, I'd be down with that, if that, you know, whatever. Let's bring our own betting expert who is on the same discog as James Kraus and Isaac Delgarian. It's Long Island, Luke Noseeta of the main card minute. You saw the odds here.
Starting point is 00:23:26 We know the question surrounding bone theme. Brown's 35. He is on a nice little run there, though, eight and two in his last 10. How are you betting this main event? Eight and two in his last 10. And one of those losses was that Brian battle loss, which like, let's be real. He probably won that fight. So we'll call it nine and one loan loss to the champ, not bad at all. I'm not personally taking Randy Brown, but I'm back in Randy Brown in this fight for sure. Like, I feel like he's going to make it dirty. He's going to get through the first couple rounds, make it go late. I don't know how Bonfeeam's going to look once this goes rounds four and
Starting point is 00:23:56 five so I feel like I like Randy personally I took the over one and a half in a parlay so I'm hoping it goes at least a little long but you know I'm back in Randy I'll say Randy by decision that's my that's my pick there LT are you lean in either way here as we look at this main event I mean look for storylines I kind of want bone theme to be real you know what I'm saying like he's flashy he's exciting but do I have fear that he'll gas out in the championship rounds trying too hard to get a sub maybe maybe bro um I'll go I'll go Bonfine. I mean, I don't know. You know, this is a close one. Yeah. Yeah, I'll say Bonfim, I guess. But we'd be cool if Randy wins, but yeah. Luke, let's talk quickly about that co-main event,
Starting point is 00:24:40 riding a four-fight win streak. And fresh off, by the way, at UFC 319 there of winning the Ultimate Fighter Season 33 championship. We have an improved Joseph Morales, who's in his second stint as a UFC fighter, as he takes on 35-year-old veteran. and the recently retired Matt Schnell, who did return and get a victory to snap a three-fight losing skid. Are you all in on Joseph Morales' potential here at Flyway?
Starting point is 00:25:07 You know what? To your point, he's making a second crack at it. I kind of feel like there's very few guys who, when they make second cracks, ever really take it that far? It tends to be that they come back improved, but they rarely come back revolutionized. Yeah, Brandon Moreno is a special. case you would say right he's the exception that sort of proves the rule and he got in there so early and that's at that point Morales I think is only like 31 so you know I definitely feel like you're getting a better version this time like a legitimately better version this time
Starting point is 00:25:39 around and match now is a guy who's kind of been like he's I think matchdell's very talented but he's been a little bit hittable he's been in some wars and kind of the other part is he was out of the fight game and then back in the fight game and I'm not questioning his level of professionalism but I just don't know how much his heart is truly truly truly truly in it as a competitor anymore at the stage of the game. So I don't know. I kind of like Morales's upside in this one. Yeah, Morales, more than a four to one favorite in this flyweight clash.
Starting point is 00:26:06 A lot of people are talking about the action potential here as 41-year-old Muslim Salikov enters as a slight dog plus 124 against the minus 148 Euros Medich. Luke, are you feeling this fight or should we move on? This fight might be one of the two, well, I don't know what two best, but this one might be one of the better ones on this freaking card. Dude, Muslim Salikov is 41 years old, and he's coming off of that Carlos Liao right hook win, which before that he had the Keenan Song,
Starting point is 00:26:33 spinning wheel kick both first round KOs. Dude, he still got a little razzled dazzle in that game. And Euros Medich, I like a lot, but he is nothing, if not hitable. I kind of like this one. I think this one has, like, strong potential to be fun and make the highlight rule. I'll put it that.
Starting point is 00:26:50 If I had to pinpoint BC, which one stands likely to get fight of the night or some kind of performance bonus, I would circle that one. Oh, real quick, long now, Luke, you're getting plus money
Starting point is 00:26:59 on a, on a solokoff who's on a run here. You like that? I do like that. And not only that, he had Dolgarian type movement. No, not really,
Starting point is 00:27:07 but he was like plus one. He was plus 180, like three days ago. To be clear, guys, this is totally normal for a fight to move that drastically on fight week,
Starting point is 00:27:16 not the day of the fight. But yeah, he moved like from plus one's 80-ish to plus 124 now, so a lot of money's been coming in on him as the week's been going on. I like him here. I think Earls Medich is chinny as fuck. All 14 of his fights have never gone the distance though, Medich.
Starting point is 00:27:30 So that one's probably going to be a banger in either direction. Yeah. All right. Bangor, I just got to just met her. Luke, let's go to the older Bonefeme brother, Ishmael here at lightweight, a minus 198 favorite against Chris Padilla, despite the fact that Ishmael has been finished in two of his last three fights, including a submission loss to Benoit, Saint Denis, the god of war. I'm sure you're less confident on this bone theme's upside than this bro,
Starting point is 00:27:59 or maybe, you know, I don't want to put words in your mouth or any parts of my body to be fair. How do you see this one going here? Yeah, the issue with this one is, Bonfie, Ishmael Bonfeme has fought and defeated better guys, but because he's fought better guys, he's also got a couple of L's on there. And, you know, but like, who are the guys he's lost to? Nizim, uh, Satikov, right, would be one of them who I think is a, very, very good fighter. And then prior to that, you know, as you indicated, Benoit Saint-Denis. So, like, he's not, those are, you know, those are tough fights. Those are tough challenges.
Starting point is 00:28:31 I think it puts a ceiling on what you could imagine he would be. The problem is Chris Padilla pretty good, 30 years of age, but his wins are, are Jai Herbert, which is a good one, but it was a split, then Wrong Zoo, and then James Yontop. And it's like, I don't know exactly what that means. You know what I mean? It seems like he's a little bubble-ish, in terms of being on the UFC roster despite having a three-fight winning streak in the octagon. So this is to me, I would say, I don't know how long on Luke feels. I might slight lean bond theme. But, you know, if you're, if you're getting put out in fights even against good guys, that also carries risks even into lesser opponents as well. Yeah, it's like, hey, Ishmael, are you Nate Diaz in this brother
Starting point is 00:29:11 combo or are you Lance Evans? Show us. Let us know, right? Call me Ishmael. You know what I'm saying? Indeed. Indeed, right there. Luke, the fight I have circled here is a Banimway bangers. Ricky Simone brings a minus 175 slight betting favorite tag with him against a red hot, 38-year-old Hione Barcellos, who is riding a three-fight win streak, which includes an upset of Peyton Talbot on his initial rise and a decision win last time out against Cody Garbrand. Here's the biggest question, Luke. Will there be action? Yeah, we know that.
Starting point is 00:29:46 But is this run for Barcellos sustainable against a refurbished Ricky Simone who seems to have put a losing streak behind him. You know what? I think the buck might stop here. I think what Barcellos has done has been tremendous. And Ricky Simone, I mean, it's hard to believe he's got to win over Marab, but, you know, or whatever it ended up being. But
Starting point is 00:30:05 the reality is I just feel like Barcellos can take advantage over guys who aren't good at chain wrestling or you know, tend to make some more obvious tactical blunders.
Starting point is 00:30:22 Ricky Simone is aggressive enough where some of that might get him in trouble BC but he can scramble his ass off he's quick, he's athletic I feel like Barcelos' game is going to come apart against someone like that Barcelos, by the way I should say Simone has fought very good competition
Starting point is 00:30:38 you don't come up short a few times obviously but has fought some really good competition I know I think the odds are pretty close I like Simone in this one and I'll say this though BC if Barcelos wins this one of all the ones to, I mean, looking back, it's like, oh, he beat like Peyton Talbot or something.
Starting point is 00:30:54 It's like, well, okay, that's a good win on name value, but Talbot was a little bit overwhelmed, yeah? Simone, for him to be overwhelmed, it would mean something more. So curious to see how this one goes, but I do feel like this is kind of where things might fall apart for the near 40-year-old. You would say this is where the rubber hits the road. That's a classic Luke Thomas. Yeah, rubber meets the road, yes.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Yeah. Luke, I'm going to, you know, you can have your favorites in a second. I'm going to dig down the card and ask you this. There was a time when Myra Buono Sofa was kind of looked at like at the future, as the future of this dead women's band and weight division. Right now, though, she's on a four-fight winless streak, which includes a no contest. It includes three straight defeats, including that really poor performance when she gassed
Starting point is 00:31:44 out against Rocky Pennington for the vacant title. What the hell happened here? as she promises a finish of Jacqueline Cavalcanti here in her return, it's like she's falling off faster than Barow. Yeah, I mean, you know, two of, yeah, I mean, Raquel Pennington was a champ or, you know, reached champ status. So losing to her is not the end of the world. Yeah, but that was a shitty fight and she had a shitty performance.
Starting point is 00:32:11 Oh, that guy's a terrible, terrible performance. And then Macy Chazahn and then Jasmine, it's not like she's losing to scrubs. Shazone opened up that cut on her face where you could see her soul through. Yeah. She's not losing to scrubs, but I agree. She's seemingly lost a step. She's 34 now. Some people age earlier than others, even whatever the numerical age ends up being. Is the weight cutting getting to her? Did she peek and people figured it out? Does she train not as hard as she once did? I don't know, but I agree with you. It's been a little bit lackluster in certain ways. I felt like there was a little bit more competitive fire early in the run. So good opportunity for Calva Conta here. I'll say as much. much. One more one I want to circle and get your thoughts on fans of red hats and gold LeMay and the Oval Office unite. Heavyweight and former San Francisco 49ers cup of coffee drinker Josh Hokit, fresh off the Dana White Contender Series will be making his official UFC debut against one Max Jimenez. If you want to know who's this Hokic guy, he's the guy
Starting point is 00:33:15 that delivers crazy post-fight interviews. Here's one of his classics. Fort Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and Barack Obama. It is disgraceful. I'm here to bring justice to the heavyweight division. And I'm going to wipe you guys out one by one. Mark my words. And P.S. Michelle Obama is a man.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Okay. Okay. All right. You can tell he reads books. will you be cheering for him to get K-Oed more aggressively than you did Greg Hardy or am I going too far? No, I mean, I don't care one way or the other.
Starting point is 00:33:57 His opponent, Matt, I don't know how he pronounced the Portuguese version of this. Max Jimenez, Jimenez, he meant, I'm not sure. Damn, if I know, okay. You know, he seems like he's got some big power, but it might be overwhelmed. Hoket wrestled, I believe, wrestled at Virginia Tech. So, you know, that's a good program.
Starting point is 00:34:16 It's Division I. He's got some skills. I mean, not on the microphone and certainly, you know, not in place much else, but he can wrestle, he can fight. I'd be surprised if he lost here, you know. Okay, all right. We'll see if he's the future of this weight class. Luke, what else are you looking at?
Starting point is 00:34:31 Yeah, it is wide open here. Is there anything else on this card, including Tisha Pennington, still at it? What are you into on this card? Yeah, Tisha Pennington is kind of an interesting one here, B.C. We've talked about most of the ones that I care about. I think Marco Tullio versus Christian Leroy Duncan That could be a fun little scrap Depending on how it goes
Starting point is 00:34:53 Tisha Penton, Denise Gomez It's okay, it's a decent one Probably the only other one I would point to Long Island Luke Correct me if I'm wrong Are you into the Miles Johns Daniel Markos fight? Daniel Markos 17 and one Kind of an interesting guy on the rise Yeah, I mean Daniel Marcos is good
Starting point is 00:35:10 Did you guys mention Christian Leroy Duncan, Marco Tullio? Yeah, yeah, I just said it I literally said it. Sorry, I was going through shit I was going through shit. I did just message you that Josh Hawket went to Fresno State, not Fresno State, excuse me. Why don't I say Virginia Tech? I was looking up shit. I was doing shit.
Starting point is 00:35:23 You were thinking of that weird thing on the side of Frank Beamer's face, Luke? I know you were. You know what I mean? Yeah. Dude, to be honest, this card is a lot better than last weekend's card, but that's still not saying much. There's really, you know, it's slim pickings here. So let me guess. Let me guess.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Hold on real quickly. How many hours on Saturday are you going to tell your girlfriend to pound sand? She'll be working. and I'm live for the full card. Join me 4 p.m. Eastern time. Make our minute, baby. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:35:50 Wow. My 412, he'll be. Yeah. Oh, sorry, I meant 420. Yeah, there you go. Right, right. Exactly. He'll wait.
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Starting point is 00:37:41 When he joined TMC sports earlier this week, He also joined Jim Rome's radio show yesterday to continue some of those same thoughts, revealing, of course, that he interrogated Isaac Dolgarian during the day before that fight card and then immediately called the FBI after the first round finish went the way it did, exactly the way that the line moved. Let's throw first to a clip, then we'll get LT's reaction. Here's Dana White talking about the timeline of what went down. and last Saturday's fight night scandal.
Starting point is 00:38:16 Probably about 1 o'clock that day, we're with a company called IC 360, and they are the best bet monitoring company in the business. And they reached out to us, and they told us that there was some unusual action going on with that fight. Do we know anything? You know, we didn't.
Starting point is 00:38:35 So what we did was we called the fighter and his lawyer and said, what's going on? There's some weird action going on in your business. bet we're betting action going on in your fight are you uh are you injured do you owe anybody money has anybody approached you to you know and the kid said no absolutely not uh i'm going to kill this guy and you know so we said okay the fight plays out and uh first round finish by rear naked choke literally the first thing we did was called the FBI Dana would tell Jim Rome yesterday that the FBI is doing an investigation, not the UFC, moving forward.
Starting point is 00:39:21 So, Luke, in light of what we heard from Dana, in light of the reporting that continues to go on around this story, whether you believe what we're hearing from Harry Mack on Twitter or what Ariel Hawani has been breaking down, do you feel like this is an isolated incident that the UFC will be able to put behind them with FBI control? Or is this just the tip of the iceberg for basically what you would guess to be the U.S. FC's worst nightmare at the moment in terms of a fight-fixing scandal? I would say that it's a good idea for anyone out there to very much trust the reporting of Ariel Hawani. People will have various opinions about his show or him or whatever. Putting that all to the side, I've worked with the guy and I watched his methods and I'm telling
Starting point is 00:40:12 you if he's reporting it, it's true. The guy has been involved in the sport for 20 years. I don't think I've ever seen him have to retract the story, not once. His record on this is basically as good as it gets. So whatever he is saying is absolutely worth taking seriously. I know obviously there's journalist Harry Mack out there who's doing a lot of interesting reporting as well. I mean, I don't want to say that he's unreliable because I don't know that that's true. I know that he initially had said, you know, factory X was raided and then it kind of said, well, it wasn't a raid.
Starting point is 00:40:44 So I don't really know what to make of some of that reporting, I think is what I would say. I'm waiting to see, you know, what else is out there. If anyone has a tip, by the way, you can email me, Luke Thomas News at gmail.com. But just the tip. Yeah, just the, just the tip. You know, that's the only kind of thing I'm interested in.
Starting point is 00:40:59 But the reality is BC, if what Ariel is saying is true, and I would very much accept it, it has to be a lot more. I mean, we had fighters coming out and saying, and then they tried to walk it back and say, oh, no, I was joking, but they had kind of indicated people had approached them to throw it. I had people reach out to me privately. Fighters reached out to me privately being like, yeah, I definitely had people offer to me.
Starting point is 00:41:21 Not just in UFC, by the way, but in other places, too. By the way, no one's talking about this BC, but like, do we think that this is not happening in PFL? You know what I mean? Like, no one's paying attention, but why would they be exempt from any of the same kinds of pressures? But getting back to the question, it is hard to know exactly how often it's happening, excuse me. But it's happening enough where it just seems like it's an almost sort of semi-normal-ish thing that's happening to fighters to at least be propositioned for these offers. And that's enough of a problem where it seems like I don't know what's going to happen to Dulgarian, but I would be very, very surprised if it stops at him.
Starting point is 00:42:12 Seems to me like the problem is, I'm going to guess, much more pervasive. And the FBI really needs to do something about it to restore confidence in product integrity. Right, because the timing is poor considering the NBA betting scandal that's breaking out right now involving Damon Jones, Terry Rozier, Chauncey Billups. And I think you mentioned a very key part of this. We had a group of fighters initially after this Dolgarian scandal started, including Vanessa Demopolis, what was it, Vince Morales, who else, Luke? Lando Vanada. He may have been joking. He may have been joking, but the other two years did not seem that way.
Starting point is 00:42:49 They all came out and said, yeah, it happened to me. I've been solicited before. And then they all kind of out of nowhere aggressively retracted it saying it was a joke. Here's Dana White in that same TMZ interview with a quick reaction to exactly that. You know, you're seeing things out on the internet where, like, fighters are coming out and going, oh, I was approached. I was approached. Really?
Starting point is 00:43:11 Why didn't you tell us that? Or more importantly, why didn't you tell law enforcement that you were approached now? Now you're saying that you were approached? It's like if somebody comes up and says, hey, I want you to rob a bank. I'm going to rob banks. Want to rob a bank with me? And you don't do it. But you're not going to tell law enforcement.
Starting point is 00:43:29 They're going to be approached now by the FBI. that's fucking illegal. Luke Thomas, what really happened here with this whole, I would know, I was just joking thing. Well,
Starting point is 00:43:39 I don't, I, Lando Vanada did seem like there was a chance he was joking. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I've known him to be a straight shooter
Starting point is 00:43:47 for most of my time interacting with him. So maybe he was. But, you know, the other ones have said that. Again, I had a fighter reach out to me and tell me that it happened to them,
Starting point is 00:43:57 you know, so these are anecdotal. It's not, you cannot survey, the landscape with this kind of thing and that generally is going to make obviously what we're saying to be very careful about what the reality is here but you know Dana is asking like why wouldn't the fighters why wouldn't the fighters speak to him well I mean I would have I have a couple of theories about that the first one is um on a basic level BC like there's just a general culture of secrecy in
Starting point is 00:44:24 the sport a lot of things like what happens in the gym stays in the gym kind of like even they say it's about sparring but it's all about a lot of things like fighters might talk among themselves but in terms of like building a bridge to media or outside parties a lot of that stuff just sort of stays closely contained too again i don't know how how this again it's not every fighter but it seems like a certain class of fighter gets affected by this they get prayed upon essentially you know i i don't i don't know how pervasive it is but i'm just sort of pointing out why would they look why would they look at the ufc as like the answer to their problems it seems like what the ufc views is that like hey we're going to iron out
Starting point is 00:45:01 your uniform policy and that'll make you know getting sponsors you don't have to chase sponsors down we'll take care of that for you we're going to give you some accident insurance we'll take care of that for you we're going to give you a PI we'll take care of that for you and i think that they kind of see that as like hey we we we really have your best interest in mind we can take care of those things but i think if you talk to fighters privately they don't necessarily not that the fit like the UFC doesn't do anything for them but they don't necessarily like look at them as like oh they they are the people I would go to to really confide in something very
Starting point is 00:45:32 serious. More to the point we see we don't know who's offering these fighters to do these things. Are they dangerous people or are they just degenerates? I don't know. We don't know. We have no idea. But I can just imagine that if you're the UFC and you know,
Starting point is 00:45:48 this has been kind of kept from you by the fighters not by like some plan but just that happened that way, I think you have to ask yourself like what kinds of lines of communication do you actually have with your talent i'm with you on that uh dana here's a tweet quote tweet of what dana gave as a message to any fighter that wants to consider fixing moving forward he says quote i've been very vocal very open about this we will be your worst enemy we will immediately go after you guns blazing with the fbi i and whoever else we need to get and
Starting point is 00:46:19 we will do everything we can to make sure you go to prison end quote luke in hindsight Should the UFC have called off that Delgarian fight because of the aggressive line movement? Or was it enough in your eyes to talk to a fighter? According to Dana, both Delgarian and his lawyer said, we don't know any money to anybody. We have no enemies. We have no injuries. We're going to kill that kid.
Starting point is 00:46:46 In hindsight, should they have just pulled that fight and not even taking the chance? Can we interrogate that his lawyer said that? What does that mean? Is that he a manager? Yeah, because that's what I was thinking, which is, again, his manager might have, like, power of attorney or something. But when we say, like, lawyer, who is this lawyer? I mean, if I was representing Dolgarian and I was his legal counsel, maybe I wouldn't say anything, but I would, I would, it would be known who the person was to field these questions, right? This would be the person representing them. This person has never been identified. I think he's just talking about his manager. I can't say that with full certainty, but I'm, it's just weird to be like, oh, his lawyer, as if it's like a third party, doesn't really mean that. What was the first part of that question? I apologize.
Starting point is 00:47:33 Really, do you think they should have pulled that fight because of the suspicious nature of the betting? Of course they should have. Now, the question is not, hey, anytime I see 360 goes to you with some kind of indication about betting that caught their attention, do you automatically have to pull the about? Maybe that is a little bit too much. But the amount that the Dolgarian fight moved, which was like a full dollar amount in in terms of switching at the last minute, that was so overwhelming that here's the problem, right? A, it was enough of a movement where it's like a very clear threshold to be like,
Starting point is 00:48:04 this one is so suspicious that it's probably a good idea to just get on the other side of this and figure it out later. More to the point, B.C., again, we don't know if Dolgarian actually committed a crime. It is certainly still very much possible that this is- There's donks. There's donks all over this game, Luke? There's a link. Exactly. He could just be a don't know. So the point I'm trying to make is that is still possible. But, of course, the other possibility is that he did commit a crime, which means the UFC was given advance warning that this could happen and then still let it go. There is some culpability to be shared in a situation like that. The point of I-360, and they do this stuff not just for UFC for
Starting point is 00:48:43 every league, for NFL, for NHL, for, you name it. They do it for everybody. They're like, hey, this is extra suspicious. I believe going forward, that, again, they can define some rules around this BC, but as a general rule, if IC 360 comes to you ahead of time with same-day late-notice major fight movement, it is, dude, how essential was that bout to that card? It was not essential at all. You could remove it, and people would not have known the difference in any way. Stop the fight before it starts.
Starting point is 00:49:18 Remove your own culpability from it, and I think the UFC would be looking a lot better. I mean, not to say that this is 100% their fault, that's not what I'm saying, but to the extent that they do have culpability, they could have really minimized it with a little bit more foresight. And I think there was indications given this week that going forward, I think they're going to adhere to that practice a lot more. Yeah, I would have to here.
Starting point is 00:49:39 I mean, they already survived one bullet with the James Cross scandal, with Derek Maynner, right? I think it's Minner. Derek Minner, Jeff Molina, you know, loosely or greatly associated with that, whatever. This is interesting. We did have the coach of Factory X, Mark Montoya, the trainer of Isaac Delgarian. Obviously, we haven't heard from Dolgarian publicly.
Starting point is 00:50:01 But here was Mark Montoya on the Ariel Hawani the show this week to talk about the greater impact of this scandal on him, his gym and, you know, everything going on here. I'm here because I want to, first and foremost, just make sure that we clear the air. You know, my my gym is being attacked, my integrity is being attacked. and I just want us first and foremost say we have nothing to do with any of these allegations that are being brought upon us. People have asked me what my opinions are to speculate right now is not my job. You know, my job is to right now continue to lead and not react. And with that said, you know, we, we as a team, myself as a person,
Starting point is 00:50:48 I've never been involved in any type of betting format. I've actually never even placed the sports bet in my entire life. I couldn't tell you how to do it. And so, you know, my job has always been to train these guys to fight and win, train these guys to win in life. And those are my two jobs. And so, you know, I take that very seriously. And, you know, this is my life's work.
Starting point is 00:51:11 And you can bet your ass that I would never, for any sort of money, I would never sell my integrity or my word. because in life, that's all you have. You have one thing, all these worldly things that we look at, the cars, the houses, the money, all those things. Those are worldly manmade things. And we go and we leave ourselves with one thing when we leave this earth, and that's our integrity and our word.
Starting point is 00:51:38 And you couldn't pay me any amount of money to get rid of that. And so I just want to start by saying that. It's a very unfortunate situation. It's still unfolding. And, you know, I'm just not here to speculate. I'm here to speak fat. I mean, look, if I'm the UFC moving forward, I don't call cash in the FBI. You want this cleaned up.
Starting point is 00:52:02 I call Tutu. Who? The man who has his own portion of the jail named after him. Oh, yeah. You can do that too. H.E. is him, Luke. You know that. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:20 Yeah, man. I mean, I don't know what's happened at factory X. I don't know what the situation is. I'll just say if what's been suggested is true, then they're going to have a lot to deal with. If it's not, I mean, they might have some legal options about how they can move forward about what's been said about their gym. So this is a, this is a, dude, it's the strange, it's a strange situation.
Starting point is 00:52:49 It really, really is. I don't know what to say about it, except stay tuned, man. To close on this, Luke, you know, I've seen some writing from Kidnade and Zach Arnold on the MMA draw about how dangerous a scandal like this is. And I don't disagree when you consider such a large portion of the audience for Fight Nice Warehouse cards, you know, are betting. How could this get worse? Is there a scenario where you're no longer going to be allowed to bet on these fights or will the UFC and the FBI make sure that never gets them? Well, I mean, it's hard to say. I think partly what we just indicated was some of these pre-fight IC 360 flags,
Starting point is 00:53:26 I think are going to start carrying a lot more weight. That might solve an enormous amount of problems, again, because we don't really know the extent, but potentially that could be quite useful. I think something else to keep in mind, though, BC is, you know, we haven't even had a conversation here about what it means for judges and referees in a year where some of that has been crazy. And I know there's been some suggestions about, you know,
Starting point is 00:53:47 what X or Y referee has done, but we don't really have enough information to say exactly what the truth is. Again, some of the stuff needs to be investigated by the proper authorities, and I guess we'll just have to be patient and see. But that, I think, is still potentially a problem that will need to get at least some answers on. And, you know, I don't know what happens to the future of sports betting. I've seen that, you know, because of the NBA scandal, I've seen some suggestions. Because, like, people have said, oh, the MMA scandal is the same as the NBA one,
Starting point is 00:54:17 but they're actually quite different. that Terry Rozier was accused of like, you know, messing with people's prop bets, not turning over game results by, you know, this continuous effort the whole way through to like sabotage or whatever in terms of games. Whereas in the in the MMA case, there's a situation where it's like, hey, are the total fights being fixed, right? That's a very different, which I think honestly a somewhat more substantive problem, least in terms of what they're attempting at a bare minimum, you know, could there be an end to prop betting or something like that? have no idea. Again, this is the other part, 2BC, how do we know this is not happening in PFL? How do we know this is not happening in boxing? Is anyone really looking into it with the same kind of, you know, laser focus that you're seeing in these situations? This is a process both in MMA and I think more broadly in sports that's going to unfold and we're going to have
Starting point is 00:55:12 to see what happens. I mean, there's levels to things. You know, there was speculation here that's that $16 million moved with the line switches for this Dalgarian fight and the large amount of bets that were placed, maybe it happens on like much smaller levels in boxing or PFL and those other situations. But like when that much amount of money for a fight of this little significance, when those two things come together, that's when it's going to raise those flags and and lead to this. Yeah, we'll see where it goes here. Let's go on a topic number three.
Starting point is 00:55:44 John Jones took off his comedic eye patch and came out of hiding this week to appear on something called the No Scripts podcast where he proceeded to take a squat on Tom Aspinall like that gross episode of Oz calling Aspinall everything from a one-trick pony to overrated to a quitter. In fact, his comments were so spicy. Yeah, you already knew it. We called up our friends at Cuervo for something we like to call shots fire. and of course shots fired brought to you by quervo now is a good time to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila we got a couple pieces of sound here surrounding jones here's the first one as he breaks down aspinall's nearly one round no contest against cyril gone or serial gain at ufc 321 talk to me about what you saw in his fight with gun i mean because
Starting point is 00:56:42 God looked like he was controlling the fight. Was Cyril gone? Yeah. Tom's a great athlete, but I do feel like he's a one-trick pony. I believe that his wrestling in Jujit, too, is incredibly overrated. He has a beautiful one, too. I got to learn a lot about his patterns in his last fight. That's really about it.
Starting point is 00:56:56 That's the one thing that he's setting up real nice. He couldn't touch Cyril Gain at all. That's the way I felt. I felt like Gain was just getting warmed up. Gain's hands was down. He's shaking his shoulders, bouncing around. He was touching him. He was touching him.
Starting point is 00:57:08 That jab. He was so comfortable. I think Tom was looking for a way out, and he took it. He needs to change his game. Long Island, Luke, do you also play the one about quitter next right now? Thank you. Tom, when Tom gets hurt, it's like, he's like immediately incapacitive. Immediately.
Starting point is 00:57:28 He shut down. It's like, you poke my eye, and then he's like, immediately. There was no like. He never tried to look. It was rag on the eye immediately. Dude, I was the silliest looking cat on national TV. He's just trying. He didn't try.
Starting point is 00:57:40 He didn't try. Same thing with Curtis plays. When he hurt his knee, there was no limping, there was no trying to get up. It was just like immediately. Yep. Burn my village. I can't go on. He doesn't have the dog in him.
Starting point is 00:57:51 That killer, he'd be killed. Immediately quits. Yeah. When he got tapped out with an ankle lock, there was no trying to fight his hands. There were no trying to, he immediately quit. You see the pattern of it. Immediately. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:02 And I noticed the profile pick change and then you had someone on your horse too, similar. Yeah. I'm just having fun with it. You having fun with the eyepatch? I'll have a phone with it. Yeah. It's like, you know, he had at it with me. He had a long time coming at me. So it's just to keep the fans engaged.
Starting point is 00:58:17 Of course. It's just to keep things fun. So Luke, considering it was only five months ago that John Jones retired to despite rumors of generational money being offered to Unify Belts Against Aspinall, did this interview confirm that Boni just passed Ronda Rousey as the most insufferable fighter in UFC history? Or does he have a point with his criticism? I mean, I just, who cares, bro? I mean, I'm with the fans on this one. I don't know why we're talking about this bullshit. Like, what do you want me to say? I mean, is there something to what he says about Tom? Maybe some, yeah, sure. Tom does have a nice one too.
Starting point is 00:58:59 He's very athletic, but he could be overrated relative to the public perceived him, although that's something that might be crashing. There's something to be said for that. But it's like, even if all that is true, then why the fuck did you run from him? You know what I mean? like it doesn't it's just a really weird situation where it's like could there be validity to some of the criticisms that john is sharing about tom particularly in light of the last fight of course of course there could be some truth to that you know john is a keen observer in general of his
Starting point is 00:59:26 opponents um but it doesn't to me it's like dude the guy is clearly he's just an opportunist You know, he's an opportunist and, and, you know, and I'm not intro, I can only speak for myself. I'm not interested in him fighting again. I realize that the fan base will decide that and Dana will decide that and it doesn't matter what I think. I totally get it. But I saw the best of his career. The last part of it has been terrible to sit through.
Starting point is 00:59:58 These podcast interviews make it even worse. Like, if he's going to fight, fine. I'll wait for that day and I'll cover that like anything else and we'll discuss it at the time. But he, I just don't, I just genuinely don't care what he has to say and it doesn't move me one way or the other. Yeah, my response was fuck off after watching this. This is what we call on pro wrestling go away. He, Xbox, he like get off my screen. He. Also, why is he talking to the microphone like this? Yeah, at least talk Damon Martin style and like eat it, Luke, right? Just like, you know, talk to the microphone. There should be a fist between your
Starting point is 01:00:33 face and the microphone not 10 feet okay all right very good all right well john jones would go on in that interview to say he actually took uh he said it was his fault how that aspinall thing happened and fell apart but claims that he believes dana white will will turn it around and allow him to fight again here's john jones talking about that potential return the big card you keep talking about that you want to be on a white house card right yeah who do you want for that you want perera I like to fight Alex Pereira at the White House. Yeah. I feel like he's incredibly respectful.
Starting point is 01:01:06 I feel like he's a household name in America, an M&A. Everybody knows who he is. He's a champion. He's in the conversation of being one of the greatest fighters of all time. It would be a blockbuster event. I think the whole world would come out. I beat many Brazilians over the course of my life. Many.
Starting point is 01:01:24 It's the people that have beat the most. Either way, that fight were to go, no one loses in that fight. It generates so many millions for the sport. There's just no losing when you have such high level people competing who respect each other. And I think, too, like, when you talk about the White House and having the greatest American fighter of all time, I mean, how can you have a White House card without literally the goal, the goat? So it's like, this is something that can be such a big event, especially with you headlining it, whether it's Pereira or if obviously we saw what happened with the Aspenov fight most recently.
Starting point is 01:01:55 Look, a lot of gla-g-g-g-g-g-gla-g going out in that interview. I got to say, I took Umbrage aggressively with the Pereira is polite, Mark. Hey, here, by the way, I believe, is the only time Tom and John have been seen on-camera each other.
Starting point is 01:02:12 Let's see how impolite Tom was here. We're going to do this thing. I would hope so. I would love to you, ma'am. I would hope so. Respect, ma'am. All the best. All the best.
Starting point is 01:02:19 All the best. I do a quick picture. Sure. Yeah. Let's get it. A face off. No, no. No, no, okay.
Starting point is 01:02:24 I was shit. I was sitting there with a straight face like I wasn't scared. But deep down the side, bro, I was terrified, bro. Terrified. Look, how could you be literally the greatest fighter of all time and then be this awful on the other side? I'm not even talking about the arrests and all that BS. Like just being a damn bitch about this, right?
Starting point is 01:02:47 Like, come on, bro. Once again, dude, I don't know why we're doing. I just don't care. I mean, again, if he fights in the White House, we'll take a moment to like talk about what that means and blah blah blah and if it's if it's if it's Alex okay when that becomes a relevant thing that we have to present to the world then we'll present it to the world but as it stands i like the john jones podcast or could not be more boring if they try well oh oh it ishmael bonfee missed weight by five pounds holy shit oh boy i will
Starting point is 01:03:17 have you know luke that the nelk boys podcast which recently had b b bennett and yahoo on it just had eric Trump on it and Eric Trump said John Jones has to be on this card. Has to Luke. That's cool. Has to. All righty then. Hey, speaking of timing here, now is a good time to remember where tequila's story truly began. Yeah, I'm talking about 1795.
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Starting point is 01:04:12 And Luke Thomas, speaking of drinking responsibly, next Thursday, November 13th, 11 a.m. Eastern live and direct from the Metal Arc Studios in Manhattan. It's UFC 322 pregame preview brought to you by Cuervo with BCLT and the MacLif's Oscar Willis. Your, yeah, yeah, horned up indeed. Luke, your expectations of what the three of us can produce. My viewers yesterday on the live chat basically surmise, that there's a you know what actually this is a sponsored segment i don't want to get
Starting point is 01:04:56 i need to be careful they basically just said i'll i'll treat it euphemistically expect the unexpected when oscar willis comes into the studio that's that's the nicest way i can say it and i think it's probably a pretty fair way to look at the world because oscar is nothing if not a, I mean, this is just the worst person in the world. He's the Osama bin Laden of everything. Dude, can you imagine his browsing history? Can you imagine such a thing? I call him Oscar Wild.
Starting point is 01:05:29 And by the way, his off the record stories about hanging with Connor that he can't tell people, those are the best. Not even just Connor, dude. A lot of other people, too, he's got, people ask me like, oh, you know, there's a lot of secrecy in the sport. Wait until Oscar does his tell-all book. Just you wait. Just you wait.
Starting point is 01:05:47 Yeah, there you go. that. MK, of course, brought to you by Cuervo. Now's a good time to enjoy the tequila. That invented tequila, we're going to have a lot of fun next Thursday. Do not miss it. Not just for Oscar Wild, but that card, MSG, it's freaking loaded. So we'll take you top to bottom. It's an A card. It's a very, very, very, very good. From the title fights that atop the marquee to the star power, the depth, everything, the arena. Let's freaking go with that one. All right, topic number four. We don't have to linger too long on this. You already know, Jake Paul Gervante Davis, it's canceled, November 14th on Netflix. Since then, we've seen Jake enter a war of war with Francis and Ghanu.
Starting point is 01:06:29 We've seen Jake announce that he's going to postpone his return to sometime in December, and we've seen everyone from Nate Diaz jumping out and saying he's accepted the fight. Now, officially no new opponent has been announced, but the fallout of this announcement did create a mini debate as to whether the civil lawsuit pending against Tank for, domestic violence was actually the reason why the fight was sacked, with critics calling out Paul's virtue signaling of saying the fight isn't happening because he runs a female first boxing promotion.
Starting point is 01:07:01 Look quickly on this. How much of a role do you believe the actual poor ticket sales, not to mention the apathy for this fight in the boxing world played in this fight getting canceled? And we can throw up the, this was the ticket master seat map as, recently as October 28th, those blue seats are the ones that were still available. Do you believe the narrative here? No. I mean, it's obviously a stupid pretext.
Starting point is 01:07:30 I mean, I'm not one of these people that thinks, like, the charge of virtue signaling is thrown around way too much. Like, sometimes people are just generally trying to be good and people like, oh, you're making a big show of it. But in this particular case, it seems a well-applied term. Because, dude, none of this was exactly not known about Dravante before the fight. I mean, the guy was already on fucking, not for the domestic violence part of it, but he was already on probation. Like his, this was, this was just the latest chapter in a long string of them. And remember there was a recent amount where I think it was recent charges that were dropped against them because the person in that particular case,
Starting point is 01:08:08 the alleged victim refused to, I think, move forward with the case. So they, I think, they ultimately had to drop it but like this was well known dude do is it my am i misremembering didn't jake paul in some of the press conferences yes tease gervante about domestic violence like this was super well known so this is obviously a bullshit pretext that i mean we talked about it before gervante you know i mean was putting no effort into this it seemed there i think people were, I don't think Jake really understands how much he turned people off with that Mike Tyson fight. It was a disaster. And the Chavez fight. That escalated it too, Luke. Yeah, I mean, there's just been a lot that people have been like, we've kind of seen what the Jake Paul
Starting point is 01:08:56 experiences. We don't really want to do this anymore. Again, we were participants in it for a while too, but it seems like it's, unless it's going to be something other than what it's been, it's really run its course. And the, the market was responding in a way that they just didn't have any interest. Again, and Dravante wasn't making it easy for them, by the way which he was going about it. But this is just obviously a bullshit pretext thing because, you know, I mean, didn't Jake Paul fight in Saudi? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:21 I mean, like, dude, you're willing to do business with a theocratic monarchy. Like, please stop with this pretension of what this all means to you. I mean, I tweeted out that it was, you know, obvious that the ticket sales were, where the major reason. And Nekisa Bedarian of MVP tweeted back at me and said, that's funny. and I know Ariel has like said if any of you back to you yeah yeah he was like that's funny as if I you know it wasn't true and then I know Ariel's made the case that like it was never going to be about the live game because of the money they're getting from Netflix but in whether they would have papered the arena or not which does happen a lot in boxing I'm not going to act like it doesn't people were just done people were just done with this stupid fight and rightfully so here's quickly the Jake tweet in which he announced it attacking Jervante basically saying uh Tank is a actual walking human piece of garbage. Working with him was an absolute nightmare,
Starting point is 01:10:14 the unprofessionalism, the bizarre request, the showing up hours late to shoot. Okay, hold on, hold on. He's right about that part, B.C. Yeah, he is, he is. He's absolutely 100%. We've had to deal with Tank on the Showtime side with shit like that. He is tough to deal with.
Starting point is 01:10:32 Dude, the Ryan Garcia Press conference in which you and I vamped for 90 minutes and didn't know we were going to until they were counting down in our air. three two one he had not even left the private airport in miami at that point to come to the new york press conference so that is what you're dealing with jake paul would just go on to you know talk bad about him and all that uh luke here's the interesting thing there were reports that jake offered of course uh contracts to everyone from ryan garcia to andre ward to francis and gano but francis and gano talked to tm z sports and he seemed like he wasn't interested let's listen how how can how can they go from like uh the one
Starting point is 01:11:09 Davey to Francis and Ghana, come on. Like, the way different and everything, it makes no sense. It makes no sense. Did you say I reach out the other day and tell me how they need a replacement for Giovante? Then I say, okay, what can I do for you? He said, yeah, we're looking for a replacement, but I still haven't get it. I was like, okay, then what exactly can I do for you? Like, we would think about you, the fact chick.
Starting point is 01:11:37 I'm like, what? I'm like, who's Jake? I was so confused. I'm like, no, bro, come on. Don't disrespect me like that. He sent out some number. I'm like, it's not about the number. I'm not just interested.
Starting point is 01:11:51 He makes no sense for me. Is it flattering, at least, that they're thinking about you? I think it's disrespectful instead. What's flattering? Come on. I mean, I get it if he's saying it from a standpoint of, don't reach out to me as a last minute opponent with some small offer. like actually announced that you're willing to fight me,
Starting point is 01:12:12 pay me what I deserve and build to it. Because look, I mean, the argument for me is that that's the fight where Jake can recruit, that's the fight where Jake can best, outside of fighting for like a legitimate cruiser way title, that's the fight where Jake can get the most street cred back, even in a loss just for taking it.
Starting point is 01:12:30 Like if he actually would, if he cares about actual boxing street cred, like maybe he would get a little if he rematch Tommy Fury, which is his only pro loss. I think the Angano fight is his Super Bowl, and I've said that from the beginning, because that's a fight in which I would think almost anyone would pick against him and assume he would get hurt and knocked out. Yet if he can win that, I'm not of the belief he's of the world title level.
Starting point is 01:12:53 To me, the Angano fight is like the crossover bubble celebrity Super Bowl. We did see a back and forth on Twitter between these two. We can briefly check it out here in which Francis said, choose your words wisely, boy, I agree that you need someone to discipline you. for what you did to Mike Tyson, but stay in your lane. Jake would say, my lane helped your lane. I spoke up for you over and over again. No more.
Starting point is 01:13:17 Look at yourself in the mirror. God don't like ugly. Maybe the truth is you are a fake holier than now actor. When it's always been just about you, maybe you use your platform to speak on the youth of our country, posting a flag ain't it. Instead of doing TMZ interviews like a con man to talk about me, reality track, I sleep you in boxing and John Jones does in MMA, I guess.
Starting point is 01:13:39 whatever, that's pretty lame. L.T., we also had Nate Diaz coming out with this IG post in which he said, he accepts the rematch. I'm not going to act like you care or I really care, but if it's not in Ghanu, is there any other opponent where you might do anything but turn the channel?
Starting point is 01:13:58 Joshua. Even though that's murder? Yeah. Okay. Sweet. All right. I mean, do you agree with me that that in Ghanu should be the fight that like they should build to this now and Don Davis should
Starting point is 01:14:13 get involved too put in the damn smart cage however you do it this is the fight for Jake long island Luke hates this fight long on Luke why do you hate a Jake Paul Francis and gone your fight no I you guys were saying in the group chat I don't know why Francis wouldn't just take this and I said because it's a lose lose for Francis either he beats Jake Paul and everyone goes well no shit Francis beat Jake Paul or you lose to Jake Paul and everyone's like oh god Francis lost to Jake Paul so there's like sure if he wants a big payday that's that's the benefit obviously
Starting point is 01:14:44 but if you're set and near Francis like why even why even put yourself on that level it's kind of like what I was thinking with Tank Tank you have all this money maybe he's spending it all but like why are you wasting why are you tainting your legacy by doing this when you have
Starting point is 01:15:00 plenty of money I don't understand you see I'll just say this if he made Netflix money and then stretched Jake Paul, Francis and Ghanu would be a hero in MMA for the rest of time. He really would. He really, really would. That is topic number four. Hey, topic five, finally.
Starting point is 01:15:20 Oh, freaking finally. We've got a fight to get excited about in boxing and considering the absolute urinal cakes being presented to us in the boxing schedule over the second half of this calendar year, Saturday's DeZone showdown from Fort Worth, Texas, matching top June middleweights, Virgil Ortiz Jr., the unbeaten from Dallas, and Erickson Lubin, the former title challenger who has only lost at the highest level to Jermel Charlo, and in a fight of the year against Sebastian Fondora. They're going to touch down and trade punches this Saturday.
Starting point is 01:15:57 Ortiz might be fighting for a chance to face Geron Boots Ennis and his next bout, although Eddie Hearnan and Oscar Dale Hoyer are going back and forth a bit this week about that. Lubin, by the way, this would be the biggest victory of his career and would send him directly into a title opportunity as they'll fight for the interim WBC title at 154, but it's really about putting themselves in position. Now, the odds are pretty wide, according to Draft Kings, Virgil Ortiz, a minus 1,000 favorite. We do see that a lot in boxing, though, plus 600 for Lubin, but we know this is going to be exciting and we know a lot is at stake. Luke, in your opinion, as we watch the face-off
Starting point is 01:16:42 here between the two fighters from a recent press conference, what's the most exciting aspect of this matchup in your eyes? I'm going to say that Lubin is a puncher. Do you agree with that BC? Heck yeah. Yeah, he's a puncher. Now, obviously he's got that first round lost to Charlo or whatever, but in general, and you know, he got beaten up by Fondora over the course of time and busted up his face and it's swollen up, look like he had been stung by a thousand bees. But in general, like Lubin is pretty skilled and definitely a good puncher.
Starting point is 01:17:11 And B.C., I'll say this, I think Ortiz, I'm not going to call him a slickster, I don't think that's quite right, but he's got a few more tricks than I think he gets credit for. But when you marry that with the kind of pressure that he puts on, you know, you kind of wonder if Lubin's going to be able to stand up to it.
Starting point is 01:17:28 At the same time, he does make himself available for counterpunching or, of, you know, a big shot from a guy like Lubin. Lubin is a puncher. You know, he's a puncher in, you know, in a sport where everyone is. So he's, he can crack. What does that do to Ortiz if he starts to get hit with some of those? Now, again, BC, just putting my cards on the table,
Starting point is 01:17:47 I feel like Ortiz and the odds speak to that. Obviously, he's kind of going to overwhelm Lubin, but it could definitely be a little bit touch and go if Lubin is able to get into a rhythm in the early rounds. I agree with you. Lubin's been on a nice run since that wild. all action loss to Fondora back in 2020. He stopped Luis Cuba, Arias, a very good, you know,
Starting point is 01:18:11 gatekeeper type fighter. He took a close decision win over unbeaten Jesus Ramos, and then he stopped unbeaten Ardrell Holmes Jr. in the 11th round to get to this point, despite the odds against him. Of course, Ortiz, the bigger name, the brighter ceiling when you consider at 27, he's 23 and 0 with 21 KOs, never got to face the elite that welterweight because he was avoided. Then, of course, he had that two-year gap in the midst of his prime when he had that
Starting point is 01:18:39 muscle disease. What was that called, Luke? Ramboiosis. Oh, Rabdo myelosis. Rabdo myelis. Rabdo for short, Rabdo. Which killed his weight cuts, threatened actually his health. He did come back, though, in less than two years ago.
Starting point is 01:18:55 And the run he's been on at 154 has been great. Stopped veterans, Frederick Lawson and Thomas DeLorme, got up off the canvas twice to out dual Sergei Boeuch in a fight of the year contender. But really it was his last fight in February of this year when he went in there against former champion Israel Madramov. And for the first time at the highest level, showed that his boxing and his IQ with Robert Garcia in his corner is on the same level of his two-handed punching ability,
Starting point is 01:19:21 his body work, his square up and brawl ability. So we're going to see action. We're going to see fun right here. Let's first hear from Erickson Lubin and then Ortiz during their face off with Todd Grisham. A lot of people do not want to fight this guy. He has been avoided, and yet you've been calling him out. What are you seeing him that makes you think you can beat him?
Starting point is 01:19:41 I feel like he's a great fighter. I just feel like right now is my time. I feel like I face the toughest guys in the division. And I'm just ready to prove myself. This is my third undefeated fighter in a row. And top 10 contender. And I'm just looking to solidify myself as the best 154-pounder. when you heard his name being mentioned as a potential opponent what did you think i thought uh that this
Starting point is 01:20:08 was a great fight you know he's like like we've been saying uh he's been in there with the best and uh you know we that's i just want to fight the best that's really it you know i don't got anything against anybody i'm just a competitive person now luke ortees was supposed to fight uh boot tennis for geronis his 154 debut he says he signed a contract He claims boots pulled out of that, took on that guy, Lima, that no one had heard of. And by the way, he destroyed Lima in one round. But Erickson Lubin does believe that Ortiz and team are looking past him talking too much about that Geron and his fight. Even though at the press conference, Victor, or Virgil Ortiz refused to even mention Geron and this is name.
Starting point is 01:20:53 Here's one more clip here from Lubin talking with Brian Custer. This is an opportunity for me to shut everybody up. Tell us what you meant by that. You know, with Virgil Ortiz and boots, you know, they're looking past me. You know, they're looking to create fantasy matches way before, you know, anything like this happens. You know, this is a big fight right here. This is Virgil Ortiz's biggest fight, biggest test in my opinion. And this is one of my biggest fights, you know.
Starting point is 01:21:21 But I fought the cream of the crop of the division. I fought Fonduras. I fought Charlo. I fought Ramos. And, you know, me fighting the guy like Virgil Ortiz, I'm just. I'm highly prepared. Like I'm extremely prepared for this fight and I'm looking to mess up all those plans.
Starting point is 01:21:39 I'll see what happens here, Luke. I think it's going to be explosive. I think you obviously have to favor Ortiz. The odds aren't wrong in that regard. Given the fact that Lubin's only two losses, he did get knocked out. That does factor in. But if Lubin tries to make this a war early,
Starting point is 01:21:54 I think that's going to be his best chance to compete in more of a firefight, even with that chin, because I don't think he can out box or, cheese. I don't think he can outbox or tease either. Certainly not over the long haul. Do I think he can win key stretches? I do, BC. Lubin is one of those guys where we kind of thought when we were first, when we first started working for Showtime together, Lubin was one of the guys that we thought, hey, this guy might actually turn around and do something. And he's not been some kind of dramatic
Starting point is 01:22:20 failure, but he hasn't exactly fulfilled the promise. Nevertheless, part of the reason why he had that promise was because I think some of his technical abilities. He couldn't make this interesting. I just feel like When Ortiz has his foot on the gas and he's moving downhill, we've seen Lubin, not quit or anything, but just get overwhelmed. And I feel like that is probably what's going to happen. But we'd be curious, I mean, to your point, B.C., if Lubin got this win, this would be hugely restorative for his career. Yeah, the title holders in this division, of course,
Starting point is 01:22:53 Sebastian Fondora, Bacram, Mertazalev. And then the two other title holders just signed to face each other, Zander Zias against that other guy That no one's ever heard of Luke They're going to unify titles What's the guy's name? A bass or something like that I don't know much about that dude
Starting point is 01:23:09 But the oddly Oddly enough for as much as Ortiz has been avoided And has never actually been in a title fight The fight against Ennis If he advances to it Would be the biggest fight in the division Between arguably the two best fighters And there wouldn't be a belt at stake
Starting point is 01:23:25 So Luke maybe we do have a problem with these With this sanctioning body bullshit You know what I'm saying? like this is all a bunch of bullshit um oscar de la hoia at the press conference this week did challenge boots said don't even come to the fight we know you're not going to take uh the fight against ortees and then uh boots quote put a tweet of there of uh oscar talking in a very a video of oscar talking in a very zesty voice luke to sort of uh pile on him but i hope they make that fight if ortees advances in early 26 boots versus ortees would be a that that'd be that's as good as it gets
Starting point is 01:23:59 here in this division but check this out on Saturday on the zone the undercard blows but that's just what it ultimately is all right those are our five topics this week now we turn to some fan segments and you can reach out to our program using the email address morning combat at gmail.com say hi to mikey please no explicit photos it's your opportunity to complain say hi to the show or send in your dead wrongs and fan subs and we kick off this friday a fun segment here by stand in trial. I'm Budzman style. We don't always
Starting point is 01:24:36 get it right. You guys are there to call us out when we get it wrong, but you better have a receipt and you better not be a bitch. It's called Dead wrong. All right. Long Island, Luke, you got thank you on Long Island Luke. A boss Barow
Starting point is 01:24:57 is that other 154 title. the whole thing. I don't even know how I got the belt, Luke. This sport used to be great, but now it sucks the horn. Okay, here we go. The first one, Luke, from our boy, Das. You know that dude, right? Back up on that ass and give these motherfuckers a blast from the past. Das says Aloha donks on Monday's November 3rd show. There's no time stamp, as I'm
Starting point is 01:25:19 sending this during the live stream, but during the end of topic three, while recapping other fights from the apex, B.C. in discussing the man who submitted Cedricus Dumas says Dakota Johnson came in 6 and 0 with six first round knockouts. Maybe it was a slip of the tongue or maybe B.C.'s mind was subconsciously on other things because Dakota Johnson is an actress known for, known for 50 Shades series, whereas Dante Johnson is now a 7 and O prospect credited with. six KOs and one submission. Apologies. I know this is very pedantic, as always, very appreciative for all the combat sports coverage in chat live stream. So, Luke, Dante Johnson, not Dakota Johnson.
Starting point is 01:26:08 I must have had 50 shades on the brain. And did you hear that Dante Johnson was going to turn around on a one week notice and be on this Saturday's card with the Nevada commission said he's medically not cleared to return? I don't think he got touched against Cedricus Dumas. Am I wrong? who i think they're probably acting out of an abundance of caution giving everything you know what i mean so yeah you're probably right but i did get that wrong thank you daz for uh getting up on that as
Starting point is 01:26:34 our second one is from simon he says on monday show during the dms luke referred to retired mhm a fighter tom ducanwa as fireball kid but ducanwa's nickname is actually fire kid the fireball kid is tachinori gomi yeah take that out luke All right, I accept the old. A ball in my way, you understand. Okay. This one's from Mathis. He says, hey, I'm a long time listener, but a first time emailer.
Starting point is 01:27:03 And at one hour and 25 minutes on Monday when discussing feather weights, BC explains why there are some contenders at the top who are still aren't known to the casual fan base. He says, quote, no one really knows about Lorone Murphy, especially not until the spinning back fist. BC, if you're going to rep. French Canada, you have to do better. Go rewatch the highlight. It's spinning elbow, clear as day. Elbow flush to Aaron Pico's face.
Starting point is 01:27:34 Anyway, love the show. Keep it up. Mondays and Fridays are the best ways to start and end the week. I take that out, Luke. It's a spinning back elbow. But it's all spinny shit to me, to be fair. All right, whatever. Yeah, I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:27:46 Our final dead wrong comes from Adam, who says, at 148.06 of Have You Seen the ship? BC said, never pass out at a Johnny Rockets diner. That is dead wrong. The place where Jake Paul's next opponent passed out is that in and out burger. Same color scheme, though, to be fair. You probably didn't know this place because BC only knows Arby's and Luke only knows the Joseph A. Bank restroom.
Starting point is 01:28:15 Love the show and the weird sexual tension between you two. If we ever end this show, I think there's fans out there who still wanted to end in sex. Our fans are going to come to us like Robert Redford and offer to have us bang for an enormous sum of money. Just so unnecessary to be fair. I mean, it's just not even- Charlie Sheen would do it, right? Is that what you told me? That is true.
Starting point is 01:28:38 By the way, Charlie Sheen's interview on all the smoke with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson was tremendous. But yes, Charlie Sheen did cross over there during his crack years, Luke, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if he was ever in through the outdoor, but that's, you know, it's a decent, that Ludd Zeppelin album, to be fair, right? It is.
Starting point is 01:29:00 Full in the rain. Okay. All right. Oh, baby. Oh, yeah, right? Come on. Long Island, Luke's rocking out to that. I know it, right?
Starting point is 01:29:13 Long Island, Luke. Okay. Oh, Luke, what is L.T. Do you have a favorite Led Zeppelin album or does our classic rock talk stop here uh i don't know if i have a favorite album but you know i certainly like and respect them greatly okay thank you for that thank you for that uh our final segment of the week allows saul to update you on his life and maybe we'll see the piquette cousins back together hey this one's called fan submissions you've got mail viewers
Starting point is 01:29:44 thank you gaff pierre for that uh speaking of saul of louisville fame He says, twas the night before Halloween, and Arby's was on my mind. Come to find out, they got a Thanksgiving sandwich. Tried to go behind the dumpster to really get the full flavor, but they locked up the dumpster. So I grabbed my whipped cream can and went home. Then came Halloween and a small miracle happened. My MK shirt arrived just in time to hand candy out.
Starting point is 01:30:15 I sat on my front porch and hooked up my VHS TV combo and watched silence of the lambs and terrifier mk all day look who lives better than saul seriously my man is literally eating in the back of an arby's doing whippets that is that is so good tremendous wow saul's the best the best the best the best arguably the donk of the year this year are very arguably we'll see what happens though uh our second fan sub comes from john who sends a video with no comments at all. Was there supposed to be audio there? I don't know if I fully...
Starting point is 01:30:57 It's the meme where he says, I'm tired, balls. You ever seen that one? Yes, I have. From the Green Mile, yeah. That's not wrong, though, okay? That's definitely not wrong. I can't comment on that, but it may...
Starting point is 01:31:10 There may be something to that, B.C. All right, our final fan sub comes from Andrew? Is Andrea a man's name or is this Andrea? Is this an Americanized woman? It's typically a woman's name. All right. She says greetings Long Island, Luke, D.C. Luke and C.T.E.B.C. I'm one of your very, very, very few female viewers and a longtime fan.
Starting point is 01:31:34 MK since day one, I've been following Luke since 2017, and I even laugh at BC's dad jokes. Save to say, I should probably seek therapy and I desperately need to be. a life. The 321 pregame preview with the always brilliant Chuck Mindenhall inspired me to this classic meme hoping to make you guys laugh like you've been making me laugh over the years. Luke, what does this say? They're talking about your phone cover and they're doing a forest gump bit where he was talking about shrimp. Not BCs. Yeah, it was Chuck's phone. Oh, it's Chuck. I apologize. And it's Brooke Trout, Lake Trout, Cockrook Trout, Rainbow Trout. That's about it.
Starting point is 01:32:17 She would close here, Andrea, by saying, all the best to you, Dong's greeting from Austria. It's Andrea, and I would love to hear Luke trying to pronounce my name in German, she says. Strudel. Is there a special pronunciation for Andrea in German? I don't, I couldn't, I couldn't even fake a German. I don't know how to do that. Luke, would you have consummation?
Starting point is 01:32:46 with Andrea from Beverly Hills now 2 and O, even though she was in her mid-30s playing a high school teenager? Yeah. That was the one with the glasses who had the hard on for Brandon. By the way, I drove through Austria once in 2001. It is a beautiful country. I would assume.
Starting point is 01:33:02 Did you see Arnold's house where he was born? No, no, I didn't get down there, but it's on the list. Okay, okay, good stuff there. Those are our fan submissions. You can reach out at morningcombat at gmail.com. if you want to make fan submissions great again
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Starting point is 01:34:19 of england no i went before the show okay you're more you're more in like your prince andrew era right now didn't he just get like i don't know what the word is but like defrocked or whatever for it for de royaled whatever it is for that i don't know because in yeah in that country they took seriously his connections to uh that man luke yeah probably also them just realizing it's eventually the stuff's going to get out and it's going to make him look bad so it might as well cut ties now you know might as well just get him out of the family so he was married to fergie right that's my understanding but you know there are people who obsess about the royals and i think that's lame you know what i mean yeah dude they as i told you when i toured buckingham palace and was making uh prince harry jokes like
Starting point is 01:35:02 you know that's my prince uh they did the people that work there they were not happy much like the dc employees they found you not very charming at all yeah that they were not ready for that level of humor but um you know shout out to prince harry just the same all right uh let's say goodbye to our producer director here long island luke uh you know his podcast the main card minute you know his program called prop quiz when does this air uh 50 minutes on the dot guys tune in over main car minute danny sigura versus jose youngs it's a banger back and forth matchup tune in to see who faces ben the bane also full card watch along tomorrow 4 p.m eastern time tune with gaffney with Gaffney my boy
Starting point is 01:35:44 that's great stuff you think BC let me ask you you think that do you think Long Island's ever going to get married yes yes I do I've never met his lady though no Sita you won't bring her on the show that's never going to happen right I feel like she would gladly come on the show
Starting point is 01:36:01 I'm not going to really why because my wife is like no go do not talk about me do not show me on this show my wife's the same well see I like how you guys keep your your wives separate so that's kind of what I always thought I would do, but she's always like, oh, come on. I'm like, all right, chill, chill.
Starting point is 01:36:17 Okay, let's, I mean, LT, we should set this up, right? We should be. Yeah, I would, I would like to, I would like to interview her. Now, would you rather interview her or his Australian father? Her. Okay. Okay. He probably ignores both of them in equal amounts, but
Starting point is 01:36:32 the lady's going to have better stories, I think. Yeah, I think so. If she leaves me after the interview, like, do I get any compensation for that? You had it. fellow you had it coming all the merch you can wear how about that there you go uh l t uh we're ending early today it is what it is do you have any like messages of hope to the listeners out there you want to like uh thank you for listening we greatly appreciate you as you've seen you can you know follow like the show
Starting point is 01:36:59 all kinds of fun stuff there uh i will not have live coverage on saturday but i will have some coverage on sunday but the main event probably unless anything other strange shit happens but hopefully it does not and uh then i'll see you on monday by the the way, my kid is off from school on Monday and effing Tuesday. And my wife, B.C., is leaving for a business trip on Saturday. And remember, because our government is not functioning quite rightly, all three DC airports, VWI, Reagan,
Starting point is 01:37:30 and Dulles are all having flights canceled or limited. So fun times, fun times. Yeah, yeah, good luck to your wife on her travels. And hopefully we get Monday's remote show with some Tuky appearances. That'd be great. I'm not putting Tuki on the air anymore. No, look, obviously she'll put herself on the air. I mean, this is how it happens. Let's be fair.
Starting point is 01:37:50 Yeah, fair enough. Okay, yeah. She's got that Reggie Jackson in there. She storms in like ice looking for, you know, hardworking dads. Yeah, yeah, good stuff right there. All right, folks. Next week, of course, UFC 322 next Thursday, 11 a.m. Eastern, it's pregame preview with Oscar Wild. Do not miss that one. It's going to be a great time.
Starting point is 01:38:08 We'll see you back on Monday to recap it all and set the stage. for the week to come. Seriously, watch Ortiz Lubin Saturday on DeZone. It's going to be a banger. It's going to be fun times. Sometimes boxing still matters, but not that often. For all my coworkers here on the show, L-T-L-I-L-L-I-L, the great Matt Snyder, right? Great, great guy behind the scenes, have met him.
Starting point is 01:38:30 I'm Brian Campbell. Take care of yourself. Have a great weekend, folks, all right? Pain, right? Pain, let's go. Let's get out there, okay? Let's do it. We out.
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