MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Fury vs. Wilder 3 Recap | Dern vs. Rodriguez Recap | EP 214

Episode Date: October 11, 2021

On Episode 214 of MK, the guys recap the fight of the year between Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder where Fury scored an 11th round TKO in a dramatic fight. What did the result say about each fighter? Plus, Mackenzie Dern came up short against Marina Rodriguez. Was this worthy of leapfrogging Carla Esparza for a title shot? Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat  To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's on Showtime. Showtime for free. Go to Showtime.com. Get a 30-day free trial. Alright, BC. I think that is everything, if if I'm not mistaken ready to get this show started I'm so ready to hit this thing hard Fury Wilder 3 Luke let's do it let's do we got a lot to get to okay first things up number one topic let's do it wow ladies and gentlemen when when boxing delivers, does it not over deliver? That was incredible. Tyson Fury defeats Deontay Wilder via 11th round KO in what can only be described as an instant classic and what can only be described as absolutely thrilling for as long as the fight lasted. We're going to talk about Tyson Fury individually. We're going to talk about Deontay Wilder

individually. I want to start, about Deontay Wilder individually. I want to start, however, with the fight. Brian Campbell, you have been watching boxing for as long as the sun has set on your life. Where does this rank all time among great heavyweight fights? The good news is, is it's right there. What do I mean? I mean, Bo Holyfield won. I mean, even Thrilla and Manila, Ali Frazier 3.

Is this fight as good or better than that? You know, that's something very lofty. But this is in that damn conversation because it's very rare that the culmination of a great rivalry, and over the past nearly three years, this has become a great rivalry between two of the biggest most flamboyant over-the-top characters in this sport six foot seven versus six nine former champion against current champion contrasting styles all that yet they came together for a third time and it was better than the first two Luke this fight was special, not just because Deontay Wilder came willing to leave it all in the ring, which is what he complained about not being able to do

in that second fight, although that second fight was one-way traffic, as we remember it. Because of Wilder's willingness to put on 20 pounds of muscle and just go for it, you had an all-time great movie type fight. This was Rocky movie shit, meaning you didn't see a lot of great technique. You didn't see a lot of great, let's say

strategic adaptions, although there were some very key ones in there, which really led to the result. But you saw two guys willing to fight for it, not box. And while that may have been the norm back in the day, Luke, or at certain times in history, Hagler, Hearns, right? These moments in time that we remember. At the highest level, you can also get skill. You can also get chess matches. This was nothing of that degree. The twists in terms of drama and momentum changes,

it really, Rocky movie is the only way to compare it. Why is the heavyweight division the gateway drug of boxing to the casual fan? Because when it's at its best like you mentioned Luke, it grabs a hold of you and tugs. You have relatable yet over the top

cartoon characters who went in there and fought like it was a damn video game they didn't box they fought they put it on their sleeves they showed vulnerabilities they got up off the canvas and we got 11 rounds of two-way slugfest action five knockdowns and luke i heard your uh instant analysis for anybody thank you for catching that on morning combat late Saturday the first five rounds in particular I mentioned Hagler Hearns before I mean it was two guys going after it what a damn night at the office this is more than you could ask for this is the best representation of what this sport has to offer in the heavyweight division because of

their willingness to fight Luke which is what so much of this fan base really wants we all appreciate skill Luke but we want to see a damn fight and this had history coming in bad blood and boy did it deliver yeah I would in no way slander Joshua versus Usyk I love what that fight was we even praised it on the Monday after the Saturday where it took place for saying how good was this despite not even having a single knockdown. So it's a certain kind of fight. Boxing delivers many different kinds of fights even within a single division, even with a single calendar year. That was fun and cerebral and surprising, and it had its own kind of tension. I don't mean to take away from it. In fact, it's sort of like two sides of the same coin.

I like that both are brought. But this fight was very, very different from that. Now, the last half of that fight began to set into a rhythm. But the first half, the first five, maybe six rounds, depending on how you want to count it, certainly the first four, no doubt about that, were just some of the most drama-filled you could ever imagine. Dude, by round three I

thought for sure Tyson Fury was about to pick up where he left off because he dropped Deontay Wilder in the third fifth and then stopped it in the seventh in the second fight drops him in the third round here I'm like here we go right back at it but dude credit to Deontay Wilder we'll talk more about him in just a second but he had a feeling that if he could get one more crack at Tyson Fury, things could be different. They weren't different in terms of what goes on the BoxRec webpage or on Wikipedia, but they were very different in complexion, and it had everybody on pins and needles. I want to talk more about his strategy in just a minute, but him sitting Tyson Fury down not once once but twice in that fourth round. I went back and I looked, BC, about what people consider to be the all-time greatest heavyweight fights. And I have a hard time putting this up with Rumble in the Jungle or Thrilla in Manila.

Those are pretty special nights. But I cannot find a case where someone took a 10-7 and then went back and then stopped the other guy later in the fight. I can find instances where they got knocked down. I can find instances where they got knocked down. I can find instances where they got knocked down in different rounds two times, but not twice in the same round. When it was a 10-7, I'm like, dude, even if Fury wins this on the judges' scorecards, he's going to have to pitch a shutout from there on out. And he almost basically did.

But, dude, you want to talk about a historically unique set of circumstances that brought us to the result in that 11th round that we got. Dude, boxing and, frankly, sports, they just don't come a whole lot better than Saturday night. Look, real quick, you had mentioned on the IA pod that I was at the CBS Sports HQ studio in Stanford, Connecticut. So I'm in the green room, actually sitting next to Bryant McFadden, two-time Super Bowl champion, who was there, of course, to break down college football. I brought my two sons, my 13-year-old twins with me, sort of as they come to the office with dad, stay over in the hotel afterwards. I was so proud to have them on the couch next to me, watching the giant wall, big screen of one of those fights that you're going to remember where

you were when it happened. Luke, this heavyweight renaissance era that we're in, obviously it could not have come at a better time the last four or five years because of the era that preceded it with the Klitschko dominance and one-sided fights and not a lot of back and forth. And no one's saying this era, this group of guys, maybe with the exception of Fury, and we can get into that, have the same type of all-time great standing potential as the guys in the 90s or the 70s. But this era is special because of the size of the personalities and the bodies involved, their willingness to fight each other

in a period where a lot of the best big fights don't get made because of boxing politics and because of their vulnerabilities to make fights like this. I got to enjoy that with my sons, which is a special moment to me. And as you asked me earlier how this relates to history, we've seen great barn burners in the heavyweight division. Everyone will tell you George Foreman, Ron Lyle, rightfully so, was incredible. They both got knocked down so many times. That wasn't for a world title at this stakes of course we can point back to 2003 when lennox lewis uh basically got sent into retirement after surviving a war with vitaly kushko but luke that

was a five six round fight that sort of was abruptly over due to that viciously bad cut this was 11 and a half rounds of something so special does it exceed to your point thriller in manila or rumble in the Jungle or the first Ali Frazier? No. These two, Fury and Wilder, just aren't on the same skill level or historic precedence per se as names like Ali Foreman and Frazier. And those fights were not only so big, so great, such big stakes, but they were even more brutal and better but to get what we got right now it's like every storyline luke that you and i played into came to fruition the fact that fury was two years removed from fighting would he have the same motivation level would he come in the same you know fitness

level this wasn't the best fury we ever saw but on the flip side we said you can talk all that stuff about wilder being delusional but his truth might be good enough for him to get him back in there and be the very best of what he has left at 35. And that's what we got. It was a perfect storm of everything you would want. And, Luke, I think it's going to go in that same category as Bo Holyfield won of just one of those great two-way fights. You remember where you were, you remember the personalities,

and it just so happened to be the final chapter in a great trilogy. And also, it deserves to be said, I said this on the Instant Reaction show, so I don't know if you caught this part, but surely you must agree, dude, this rivalry, if you go back to where Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder were, at this point both of them, but especially Tyson, obviously, given that he was the winner in two of the three and really maybe all three. But, dude, these guys elevated their brands

through this rivalry. They elevated their standing within the sports community. They elevated the sport. They elevated heavyweight division. I mean, Usyk and Joshua did their part recently as well. I certainly do not wish to diminish that. But in terms of popular attraction in a more global scale, I would argue, obviously Joshua is enormously popular as well,

but I think Tyson Fury has reached a pretty special level at this point. But these two together, that rivalry, dude, it did so much for this era of heavyweights over the course of now three years and amidst a global pandemic. These guys were built for each other. They gave everything they had in this fight. I thought Wilder was a little bit better. I thought Fury was a little bit worse relative to what we had seen in previous outings. But either way, that mix made for such a combustible moment on Saturday night.

But we've got to give these guys credit, BC. They did a lot for themselves and the sport of boxing in the heavyweight division and how they conducted themselves. And the timing of it is key to what you're saying, what they elevated. So it's not to overlook the Anthony Joshua-Vladimir Klitschko fight from 2017, which was like the key master of old, Klitschko, sort of handing it off to the new guy, AJ, and they both knocked each other down.

It was a great classic fight, but it's as if the mainstream didn't necessarily see that on the same level. There was a little bit of a mainstream crossover, but that was the beginning of this new era. Now we're at sort of the peak of this new era. They know this rivalry because of how dramatic the first fight was and the personalities of both. Again, Pacquiao Marquez 4 is an exception.

Ali Frazier 3 is an exception for the final fight in a series to exceed all of the expectations, man, Luke, this is, these are the turning point moments where the, the casual audience is willing to put its eyes back into what boxing is doing.

And now it's up to boxing to keep them there. Traditionally boxing will break your heart and kick you back out on the street. Let's hope that this for now can create a stretch of two, three, six months, a year of people taking notice to the big fights and them delivering. Yeah, listen, I'm not here to bash Jake Paul. He's doing his thing. He's made a great moment for himself.

He's going to get paid. Everyone's got a right to either like it or dislike it. It is what it is. It's fine. But it's nice to see the best heavyweight in the world be the one that's also getting a ton of eyeballs. Canelo, when he fights, lifts the sport. Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder lifted the sport.

These guys are the highest end. It's nice to see the highest end of boxing do the kind of work that you know it's capable of rather than guys who are incredible self-promoters, but not really full boxers in that sense. It's just better for boxing that way. I want to talk about the fight itself, BC. Again, the first five rounds, I thought, were just some of the most incredible rounds you're going to see. But BC, do you agree with me? By the time we hit the sixth round, certainly by the 10th round, when Wilder went back down again, at that point, you knew he was in deep, deep trouble. Probably wasn't going to make it far past that. I do feel

like from the sixth round on, Wilder had moments where this is where you have to credit Wilder in the back half of the fight. He was gassed. I don't think the bulk did him a ton of good in the end, maybe some. I don't think it solved the problem for him in the way that he thought, but he did just punch back enough to keep Russell Mora off of him, keep the fight going, keep Tyson Fury, frankly, honest, but that was Tyson Fury's back half by a country mile. True or false? True. In fact, I scored this fight at the time of the stoppage, eight rounds to two in favor of Fury. I gave Wilder the opening round when his targeted body attack was fantastic, not just in jabs, but those overhand rights.

You know, I don't think Fury expected Wilder to be the aggressor and get off first, and he had to make an adjustment. And then obviously round three, which was a 10-8 round, there were a few close rounds after that, and certainly Wilder had big moments at the end of some of these rounds, round nine and particularly round 10. The round before, he got stopped. He had some late in the final 30 seconds.

He would kind of come on with some combinations where you're like, oh, wow. He's really never out of it until he's out of it. But, Luke, you made the comparison not direct but sort of related on, hey, you ever see those heroin addicts who kind of stumble around? That's where he, look, Deontay Wilder was in zombie mode from round three on when he got knocked down. It's just that when normally that is a beginning of the end for most fighters, look, that's where Wilder is at his most dangerous when he's wounded because it looked like one punch could drop him at any

point over those nine rounds that followed or seven or eight rounds that followed yet they never actually did which is obviously a tribute to him although he did go down that one more time in in the 10th round um it was just that i don't know why the judges had it so close meaning uh fury was leading on on the three scorecards by only four, three, and two points. Maybe some of those close rounds you saw either way. But unlike the second round in the point when Mark Breland threw in the towel, it was justified for all of us because Wilder was bleeding from his ear in just a one-sided, mangled mess. This was a guy who, I mean, Luke Luke we have to sit here and praise Wilder the rep The the damage to his reputation he did after the second fight with the excuses and the conspiratorial stuff

It's almost impossible to come back from that but we all need to stop in and bow down to this man for being willing to to fight with this type of passion. Passion is the word, Luke. It's a never-say-die. It's courageous. Even though he looked wobbled and tired and ready to go in round three, he fought at such a sustainable level where he was never out of it.

There is just something about the will in a person to do that, that Wilder not only deserves the credit in the aftermath, and I know people are upset he didn't shake Fury's hand. Who gives a damn, bro? He didn't rivalry. We'll get to that later. I do think that was utterly classless. I don't give a damn if he doesn't want to shake hands afterwards.

He left his heart in that ring, and I think rightfully you're seeing a lot of people tweet out, hey, maybe we didn't give Wilder the love during his run for just being vulnerable and exciting that that he deserved now the truth is Luke the foundational elements that he does not have as a boxer cost him in all three of these fights but really cost him in this one beginning with the third round so let me break it down like this round one I think we all liked his body attack luke i don't think that's sustainable for dionte wilder to keep up that level of pace taking the lead and i think once fury started to find a way to slow that down

and counter it i already saw wilder sucking big win by the end of round two okay but i think the biggest reason why he lost this fight is the adjustment that Tyson Fury began making in round four, which is to play the big man style and lean all over him and almost adopt the Vladimir Klitschko way of one punch, clinch, and then maul on the inside. I know that made for maybe the, didn't always have the most exciting tone, particularly, you know, from round six through 11 to see so much holding and Russell Mora had his hands full. But Luke, even though Wilder put on the muscle to be able to contend better in these moments, he didn't have the foundational know-how, knowledge, and just muscle memory to know how to keep Fury off of him. Fury's adjustment, Luke, in mauling him,

not just wore down the stamina of Wilder but most important Wilder can only punch and score effectively when he has distance to get the full extension Luke here's an interesting thing I I realized I don't think you can overrate Wilder's power right when he hits you good the fight's over 80 90 percent of the time i mean really tyson fear is the only heavyweight that can do this with wilder which is get into a war at this level and be big enough long enough quick enough but most importantly tough enough to be the last man standing what we did overrate was wilder's delivery mechanism to get to that punch he really needs space and he needs to load up on

the right hand. He's really ineffective outside of that. So it's not enough that Fury just took away his jab for most of the series by being so faint heavy in movement. His ability to rush in and maul and hold, it's not dissimilar to what Evander Holyfield did to upset Mike Tyson in their first bout. It's basically knowing that my opponent needs the space and room to land. And if I take that away from him, he is ineffective in those spaces. I think Wilder's ultimate ability to not be able to push Fury off and keep him away is what ultimately cost him this fight. Yeah, no doubt about it. I mean, here's the thing though, I disagree a little bit. We'll talk about Fury and Wilder in particular and how we view them and where they go from here

in just a minute. But in speaking about the fight what i will give dionte what i thought was missing was i thought that he was full of rage going into this fight i thought that he was full of hurt and pain and i thought that that would do more to derail him than elevate him turns out it did more to elevate him than derail him. So that part got wrong. Mea culpa. The part that I still maintain that I got right was that there was way too much of a skill differential in the second fight shown that even after a global pandemic and even after all the time off, that was going to be a sufficient window in which to develop the skills necessary to box with Tyson Fury. Now, I don't

think Tyson Fury was the very best version of himself. There were some issues about camp. The guy had COVID twice. Again, some people get it mildly, some people don't, but not great necessarily for boxing preparation. And I thought it took him a little bit of time to kind of get into a rhythm, even with that third round knockdown. But basically, here was the score for me. The body shots early were great. I liked them, but one, he went away from them. Two, I thought he went to them way too often at the beginning. And really he didn't keep building off of that. Once he got tired, it was kind of just being back to the one, two. He was willing himself to stay in those rounds, like the seventh, eighth,

and ninth round when he knew he was outgunned one guy had way more skills than the other one so the praise that i would have for deontay walters performance we'll talk about the man in just a minute is that he really just decided i'm going to give every absolute inch of my psychological will to push my body quite literally forward as much as i possibly can but the skill differential that you saw in the second fight that was the story of the third one as it relates to Tyson Fury now you're right he changed tactics what I mean to say though is this overall ability that he has dude the first time he fought the most devastating puncher of our era he did it on the jab on the outside and may arguably won it but

certainly had the draw right second time comes out just marches into him with that Sugarhill steward Kronk style, marches him over, wins inside seven. This time has to get off the canvas twice in a single round and uses jabs at long range from distance, this like jousting jab that he had. And then on the inside, dude, I went and I made notes. I took notes of every common position that he went to in the clinch. The one that he went to the most that was so crafty, he had an overhook on the right side, not a super hardcore one,

not an MMA wrestling one, but he would cover the left arm with his right. And then with this one, I'm going to try and back up just a little bit if I can. With his left arm, BC, he would put his elbow in the air like this. And with that, the right arm would have to wrap around it. Or if he wanted to come inside for an uppercut, he could. Or if he wanted to just reach inside and grab for a collar tie or an overhook on that same side, he could as well. Dude, he used that position. And by the way, he could bump Deontay Wilder off of him and then score with just a little bit of distance. He tore Deontay Wilder up in that space.

He got in so many free shots. At distance, dude, you're right. Dude, Deontay Wilder, man, how many times were that? I think it was like maybe the second or maybe the fifth round where they threw and then they locked on their biceps because they both threw at the same time. Dude, you trade like that with Deontay Wilder bad shit is eventually going to happen but in this space where you're right on top of them what a master class in the clinch from the gypsy king unbelievable this is where this is where him being a unicorn Luke having a 40 pound weight advantage a two inch height and reach advantage

against a fighter who's always the bigger man in Wilder that's why maybe he's the only one that could do this to him. So a couple things are true that we touched on. This was not the best version or even best performance of Tyson Fury, but he figured out a lane to be able to control the danger in ultimately the terms of the fight the best way he could with the tactics that you mentioned of shortening up the fight, of mauling. And look, this is just where Wilder's inexperience and just lack of a true amateur background came to the sport at 19. It's almost a miracle that he won a bronze medal at the Olympics just on power

and athleticism alone. But look, it's the same thing of like the first fight against Luis Ortiz, that round that Wilder was almost stopped in. He didn't know when you're hurt even to clinch. It's like he just doesn't have those basic instincts. If you could ask yourself, what could he have done differently? Well, obviously when he's getting mauled in those tie-ups, he's got to be able to be dirty.

He's got to be able to do something, use his jab, do anything to keep Fury off of him and give him a reason not to constantly close the distance and maul. So Luke, I think as much as we're going to rightfully say this was not the best Fury ever, but he gutted it out, I don't think Wilder properly used the 18 months to his advantage like we said he would need to, to better his chances.

He leaned on his iron will and kudos to him to the nines because that's why this fight was so crazy and dramatic. But he couldn't even establish a consistent jab, Luke, and whatever he did well to the body in the first round, the second Fury made adjustments in round two, not only did Wilder not go back to it, he was already gassing in that regard. So

a couple things, you know, to not miss out on when you look back on this fight. I think Wilder could have, we're going to give Malik Scott a lot of credit, but I also think they did not do with that, with that 18 months, what they could have. Also the, the way he distributed his weight. I mean, I get that BC, you wouldn't want to add a ton of muscle to your legs. Cause that by itself could slow you down. Maybe a little bit of muscle mass, you know, and maybe he did.

It's hard to know. And whatever did it not muscle mass, you know, and maybe he did. It's hard to know and whatever. Did it not, this could be my imagination. I'm not in any way asserting it is true. I'm just merely trying to make sense of what I observed. Did it not look to you, and this has always been the case a little bit, but even more exaggerated, he looked really top heavy. He looked like he had a big back, big shoulders, huge shoulders, big arms, big chest, and his legs are skinny. Now, again, it's always been the case, but it looked like really pronounced.

He got tired very quickly from all the muscle. No matter where it would be distributed, that probably would have been the case. But I don't know. It just seemed like it wasn't an overall contribution to athletic potential. It seemed specifically designed for one purpose, which, okay, you got some of that for sure.

But then once you got it, there was no going back to it. And now you're stuck with this anchor. Well, look, I bet it was designed to try to keep Tyson off of him in close range, but it's, it's as if once fury is once,

once while there is overwhelmed in the clinch, there's sort of like a withdrawal and an acceptance of that from him. You didn't really see him fight out of the clinch. That's why Russell Moore, who I thought overall did a very good job, and there were times that he was using every ounce of effort just to keep these two apart so there was a chance we could see some action. I mean, Wilder ultimately failed miserably with the added muscle, Luke, in doing anything to gain separation between the two.

No doubt about it. I also feel like one of the things I got lost in really good, and this is where the fight ultimately ended, man, Tyson Fury was so good, not just finding close contact, but about bullying Deontay Wilder against the ropes and leaning on him and pulling him and turning him, trapping him in corners. It speaks to the heart of Deontay Wilder that he just absorbed that, which ended up being...

Let me see if you agree, BC. I don't think this fight ever got to a point where I was like, okay, it obviously needs to be stopped here. Now, when he got knocked down the third time in the 10th round or 11th round, excuse me, that point I was like, okay, Russell Moore Mora didn't even fucking give him a count. He just called it. Fine. No problem. Even in that 10th round, I'm not saying that someone couldn't have stopped it in those points. I'm saying there was no obvious point where you really demanded it had to be there.

Would you agree with that and in general Russell Mora kind of managed that about as best as could be you know uh ascertained absolutely I thought the point that Wilder came the closest to being legitimately look I mean look he looked ready to go from round three let's not lie about that right but the point I thought to end round seven was his lowest moment uh Deontay Wilder where he really looked weary and and you could almost be like kid gloves ready to stop it but the problem for that argument was what i said earlier rounds eight nine and ten he flurried to end those rounds luke wilder got off the canvas in round 10 and had the better stuff over the final 30 seconds i legitimately thought he was catching fury at a point where he was maybe winded because Fury got the knockdown around 10,

kind of tested the waters to see if a finish was there, wasn't able to get it. And then Wilder, now that he had some separation was just putting it on him with hooks. So to Wilder's credit, he never let it get to the danger territory where this argument of throwing in the towel was necessary. Even more Luke,

when he got knocked out cold in round 11 i thought russell moore had made the obvious call to wave it off without a count yet wilder was still stirring kicking his legs trying to move his knees and get up luke tell me a performance where someone gave more i mean where someone showed more. I mean, where someone showed more of what they're made of. God damn. Yeah, this is what I was trying to tell folks who were saying, you know, everyone, people, listen, Tyson Fury is going to get the praise he deserves. He's the victor of this and the winner of this trilogy

in the most epic of ways. But that doesn't mean you can discount everything Deontay Wilder did. And this is the argument that I made on Saturday night. If you want to say that there should have been different ways in which he could have prepped, first of all, I still think he trained very hard for this. He did look to be in tremendous physical condition, whether or not it was the appropriate one for winning. But, you know, the guy was in the gym. Let's put it that way.

And he was in the gym very consistently, and he was obviously eating appropriately too. So you got that. What my argument was is once he made the walkout, and once he stepped in between the ropes to fight Tyson Fury, what else could you ask of him? And my answer to that is nothing. There is nothing else you could have asked of Deontay Wilder. Given what his skills are and given what his cardiovascular conditioning is and given what his heart is, I think you got the most out of everything. True or false?

100% true. And it makes me want to spin a little bit of a hot-button question. I saw a lot of debate on Twitter about it in the last 36 hours is this. Okay, Wilder's as crude or more crude than he's ever been in terms of game planning and skills. It's all will and power, okay? But with that said, Luke, would he have beaten every single other heavyweight on this night with that shape and performance and mindset that he came in with because even though you could tell me well Wilder's chin is a little shaky at times could I see Joshua finishing him

sure maybe Dillian White you know whatever but Luke we saw the two Luis Ortiz fights in which Ortiz who's you know I mean he's elite you know, I mean, he's elite. He is damn elite. Putting it on Wilder for rounds, yet ultimately succumbing once he got a little fatigued and he got hit with the big one. Luke, I love me some Usyk. I love me some AJ when things are going right for him. I'm really not sure there was another heavyweight on this night that could have finished the 12 full rounds against him than Fury, who, again,

not only did give him credit for his heart but to finish off Wilder on top of that within the distance just incredible I mean look seriously does Wilder end up outlasting out enduring and finishing every other heavyweight with that performance I want to get to that when we focus on him specifically specifically because I do have an answer for that. But certainly, I think it's a very, very, very fair and very... It tells you a lot about his future, which we'll get to in just a second. All right, so let's go to point number two. We talked about the fight here for just a second. Let's focus in on Tyson Fury.

We will get to Deontay in specifics in just a moment. But topic number two, Tyson Fury, dude. What can you say about this guy? We were talking about the fight and where it ranks all time among the best heavyweight fights. Well, where does Tyson Fury rank all time among the best heavyweight fighters, BC? Because now I'm not saying, oh, he's better than Ali. He's better than Frazier. He's better than Norton or Holmes or whoever you want to put in these conversations.

But I am saying he is beginning to enter a space where evaluating him in the all-time perspective is now not only warranted, it's absolutely demanded. So there are major pros and cons against his historical rank in this argument. But obviously, let's stop and say uh he he won this entire rivalry and on his on a somewhat of an off night for him he still finished off maybe the day most dangerous finisher in this board's history so like good lord you know what i mean this is why he is the face of this era and the fighter of record of this era what is against fury's all-time placement remains luke his lack of a deep resume. Anthony Joshua's resume in terms

of the names, the amount of names that he's beaten, I'm sorry, it's still better than what Fury has done. So Fury's given us two wins over Derek Chisora, who was a solid, you know, contender. The classic upset of Klitschko, which was, I mean, it ages so much better over time, and it was thorough, and it was amazing, and basically two and a half or three wins depending on your stance against Deontay Wilder the problem has been he missed almost four years of his absolute prime after beating Klitschko and even in between fights in this rivalry Luke you had the two years off most recently and even between the other fights you had you know stay busy come back you know surfing safari auto violin uh just you know not all-time

names that are going to end up on your resume but what keeps fury in this argument and really it's hard to keep them out and it's hard to say that there's a line in which you can't rank him above that is because in the mythical matchmaking in the you know in the eye test, Luke, I'm sorry. We can say all we want about Rocky Marciano, but he was like, what, 5'8 and 185 pounds. I know I'm off a little bit on both, but you get my point. It was a different time, a different era. Tyson Fury, 6'9 with a chin and an all-time great fighting spirit and quickness and speed and agility that's ridiculous for someone 6'5",

let alone 6'9". And oh, by the way, he transformed his style, and now he can punch. Not one punch knockout, but he can walk you down and maul you and punch. He's in a conversation, Luke, on a one-fight peak versus peak against every heavyweight of all time. I'm serious about that. You know, there is not a heavyweight that you're like,

oh, he destroys Fury on his best. No, there's a fight to be had there. He is a unicorn not only of this era, but of all time. So if he can stay on this road of collecting big victories, and by the way, his mandatory in the WBC is now Dillian White. If they make that fight early next year and the WBC stands firm and White refuses, you know, payment to step aside, that's another must-get big win that only adds to his resume. But he's going to need to make sure he cleans this division out right now and leaves no doubt. And Luke, he's

on his way to becoming a top 10 heavyweight. And if he can beat everybody, if he can beat a refurbished AJ, if he can beat Usyk for all four belts, if he can beat Dillian White, he already beat Klitschko and there's no questions asked left, you know, to be answered. You may end up putting this guy in the top five or six. And that sounds crazy because you got Ali, Joe Lewis, Jack Johnson, George Foreman, Lennox Lewis. I mean, this is a very crowded, rightfully so, Jack Dempsey conversation. But I think the problem against most heavyweights is outside of the 1970s or 1990s, there has never been a great heavyweight era.

Those are the only two. And while right now, Luke, we still can't really commit to saying this is a great era it's a hugely exciting era there are names there are fights to make but this era is better than a lot of those eras which produced a lot of those all time greats so if Fury stays the course

Luke because of that mythical matchmaking argument he has a chance to get into that top five, which is, you know, you do look, there's going to be people that hear that and go, you're crazy,

but, but really think about it and look at it. They don't make six foot nine heavyweights who can move like this and can also fight their way out of trouble. It's this, what you're watching is something historically special. He is, um,

he might be in terms of like... I don't know exactly how to word this, BC, but like, this dude is very much the total package, right? Your point is, I think, well taken. In order to get into these conversations about all-time greatness we have to have a resume that we can look at and on that resume there are some things lacking from Tyson Fury's as good as it is and it's quite good he's undefeated 31-0-1 but to your point you need

a Dillian White on there you need uh some of these other top contenders along the way and then once that fills out we can then begin to have a bigger conversation but what you're also not denying is that bc true or false i want to make my point here but true or false you wouldn't pick any other heavyweight over tyson fury would you at this point well no what currently active currently active yeah yeah currently he's i think he's the best of today's group and i think there's actually a gap luke yeah he's i think there's a gap too he's clearly the best heavyweight walking the planet right now. But more than that, dude, this guy does essentially everything. Understand something.

We talk about his size. He doesn't just have big size. He uses big size. He has a long jab. He smothers opponents when he needs to. And yet, when he needs to be fleet of foot and when he's L-stepping and when he has to be on his toes and use trunk movement and lateral movement, he does that too. You want to fight him at range? He can do that. You want to fight on the inside? He can do that.

Dude, Tyson Fury gave Deontay Wilder three tries to beat him. And Lord knows he came close a couple of times, but close ain't enough. This guy still won. And then on top of that, promotes the fuck out of the fight all three times beforehand, doing tours and sitting in studios and doing radio interviews and looking at a computer screen for hours and hours on end, answering questions over and over and over again. And for the most part, always did it with a smile on his face to say nothing of the comeback in 2018 when he was grossly overweight and an alcoholic and everything else he has said, suicidal the whole nine yards. You add in that.

Then after the fact, dude, he's singing into the microphone, partying with Steve Aoki and doing the whole bit, not even really being super mean to Deontay Wilder, who had a really terrible moment after the fight, I think, and not checking his in. I disagree with you there. What am I pointing out, BC? Dude, what can you say about Tyson Fury? Is he a frontrunner? No.

Is he a guy who folds late? No. Is he a guy who has an obvious weakness one place or the other? No. Is he a guy who loses mental focus even in a bad time? No. Where is the gap in his skill? I'm not saying he's perfect, but what I'm saying is, dude, you are looking at a prize fighter in full. In all the things you need a prize fighter to be in the modern era, charismatic, daring, giant, for heavyweights, giant, in your face, talented, good on the mic, committed, hard worker. Dude, he is all of that and then some.

It is going to be a very long time before you see somebody who can cross off virtually everything down the line on what you want a prize fighter to be. Tyson Fury is the apex predator, I think, across combat sports in that way. You know, we can get worn down by his comeback story sometimes, if you've heard it ad nauseum, and it just happens. Look, if any fighter had a cancer comeback story, which you know it just gets beaten down on the tv i get it never lose track of how absurd it was that he came back from what he did never lose track luke that coming into the klitschko fight in 2015 nobody gave him a chance luke because he was a

6'9 guy with what we thought pillow hands so to to see this conversion, it's wild. I mean, look, I don't think he beats Wilder in fights two and three unless he went through that Adel Valin scare because that was really where he learned out of necessity to fight and use his size and his weight and lean. I mean, he has made the adjustments

and stayed the course. And one final salute to both fighters, but particularly Tyson Fury. Do you know why we got this trilogy, Luke? Because it was supposed to be that Anthony Joshua versus Deontay Wilder was the heavyweight fight of this era. That was supposed to be the one,

but they went two years of chasing each other and blaming each other in a soap opera, and it never happened. Don't forget that that first fight in 2018 happened because Fury was sick of everybody talking about AJ and Wilder and knew he was the A-side in this whole thing and slid right in. And Wilder's like, you know what? I'm going to do this. Kudos to those guys. These three fights kept this era afloat while AJ was getting big wins, but losing his belt twice. And

look, Joshua's going to have a chance to come back. And for all we know, maybe he beats Usyk, and maybe Joshua versus Fury still is the biggest fight we can make in this era. But Fury has done everything we could have asked for him. So let's hope that he gets the chance to face everyone, you know, left standing in this era and leave no doubt. Last question before we transition to Deontay specifically but there are a lot of questions with Wilder being 35 that he might retire after this and we'll see we'll talk about him in just a minute but for Fury you know he's he's not said he wants to retire that's not what he said but he has said things like what are the belts matter

I've had literally all of them at one point or another really it's just me versus me at this point and to to some extent there is a little bit of truth to that. He's 33. He doesn't have a whole lot of time left. Are you worried he might only have one or two more fights left? Well, 33 means nothing at heavyweight. At heavyweight, I know. But with him, it's a little...

Did he take some damage in this rivalry in the first and third fight? Absolutely. But throughout his career, he didn't take a ton of damage year. Did he take some damage in this rivalry in the first and third fight? Absolutely. But, you know, throughout his career, he didn't take a ton of damage despite what he put his body and mind through physically during that time off. I do believe Luke, we're more likely to get less from him than more or too much in terms of the amount of fights. That's why I'm a little bit fearful for that legacy. I don't want to be like, you know, Andre Ward. Let's give Andre Ward as an example, Luke. Retired on his own terms as the unbeaten pound-for-pound king. Two-division champion. Great. All-time great. But what really kind of hurts Andre Ward from catapulting beyond

that into like the real all-time conversations is, you know, did he have enough super elite fights? He sat out for long stretches fighting for his contract like that i don't want that to happen to fury i do believe though luke once he gets that chance to fight for the four belts and be the undisputed champion of this era which i think he i don't want to say he needs to do but that would be the smartest move you can make to really plant your flag and leave no doubt and have your chance to be ranked as high historically as you can. I think if he accomplishes that, we may not see him again, really, you know, unless there's one big super fight a year or two later that could lure him back. So I think the road to get there,

we have to focus on because it may be what we have left. And that road may include Dillian White early next year, and then a two-fight series against the winner of Usyk Joshua like we may only have three fights left with him but to what you're saying I think mentally he is a fighting man as he says you know he comes from a lineage of bare-knuckle champions and that's what serves the will and backbone and fighting spirit for him to to get out of this you know as the last man standing. But I don't think he necessarily wants to do this, you know, another five, six, seven, ten times. No, Luke, I think we're going to have to savor what we have left.

All right, so let's transition to Deontay Wilder, who is something of a more complicated character in all of this. Topic number three, Deontay Wilder. As I said before, I had dismissed his chances. And again, by the third round, I thought, right, exactly, here's where we are. But he exceeded expectations because he just demonstrated an iron will. You see, he wanted the opportunity to go out on his shield, and Tyson Fury treated it like Brad Pitt in Inglourious Bastards talking to the Bear Jew. Oblige him. He obliged him. You wanted to do it? Well,

here you are. Congratulations. And then not shaking his hand or being sportsman-like after the fact. You see, I want to focus in on that. Not necessarily to start the conversation, but it's not that I think that the media or the fans should beat him up over it. Like, oh, what a scoundrel. You should do better. Well, you should do better, but here's the part that I think he's missing. You're right, dude. There is so much love for him as a virtue, I should say as a consequence of this performance, that he is actively pushing away.

And it's that rejection that I don't think is ever going to let him heal. Like, dude, you've got to get over the second fight, and you've got to get over now, frankly, the results of the third fight. As our friends over on the Showtime Boxing Podcast, Eric Raskin and Kieran Mulvaney said, dude, Deontay Wilder is 42-0 against anyone not named Tyson Fury. I mean, you can like that fact or you can hate that fact,

but it's a fact, okay? But to treat this at the end with no grace about what these two shared, about how much he benefited, frankly, from this moment, about what is still left for him, which we'll talk about in just a second, I thought it was, it's a shame, but more than that, dude, I pity him a little bit. He's rejecting the world when the world is ready to embrace him. I disagree fully, Luke, on both sides of that point

one um you say like you know he hasn't come to terms with the second or third fight look he doesn't need to in fact if he when he comes to terms with those it might be time for him to retire why because luke it's obvious from what we saw his reaction to the second fight his double down on those terms ahead of this third fight and then the performance in terms of will that he put out, he is fueled by being so far removed from the real truth, by creating his own truth. That gives him his edge. That gives him his spite. So why am I not concerned that he didn't shake hands and do the sportsman thing? Well, in one regard, Luke, he's become the villain in boxing because he's sort of pushed against,

because he was never accepted as the hero. So listen to it from this terms, and you may disagree and that's fine. There's really no reason he shouldn't have been embraced more by the American public. A six foot seven slugger, an American champion who's jacked

and covered with tattoos and great on the microphone and has a heartwarming story of only coming to boxing because his daughter had spina bifida and he needed money to pay for bills and he becomes this accidental Olympic medalist and all this stuff, Luke. And, you know, maybe it's because of where boxing was in regards to the American team sport landscape, or maybe what he says a lot when given the chance is there's racial undertones in, and I'm not saying anyone here has to agree with that,

but that might be the truth that he lives by. He was never embraced. And I know he gets caught up in the wrong way on, like, I'm fighting a foreigner, and I'm from the U.S., and the media, you know, and in the networks, they need to stand by me and not criticize me. That's all bullshit. But again, Luke, that's what fuels him.

He's never been embraced and loved in a lot of ways by his own country. He would fight on mainstream TV and not get big ratings. And you're like, what else would this guy need to do? So from his standpoint, that callous, that's what fuels him. The second he goes up to Wilder and Fury and hugs him and shakes his hand and says, no, that's when he loses that edge. Is it not sport? It's not sportsmanlike, but Luke, you know, it wasn't sportsmanlike. LeBron not shaking hands when he lost that time in the conference finals. Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons not shaking the hands of the Bulls in the 91 Eastern Conference Finals and just walking off

God we've seen it before and this is the damn fight game where heroes and villains are always sort of properly cast in. Dude hold on but BC I understand the point you're trying to make like this this is the same rage that propelled him but two facts you just have to acknowledge here first all that rage

didn't change the circumstance of the third fight it made it better it made it certainly more interesting it got him a little bit further for sure no doubt about it but in the end that round seven in the second fight with the towel notwithstanding in terms of just so the the the authorities being as it were intervening the third round the third fight went exactly the same in that sense more to the point dude as somebody who you know listen anybody who's exactly the third run in sense. More to the point, dude, as somebody who, you know, listen, anybody who's... The third run and the second run... I don't mean exactly that the contours of the

seventh round were the same as the eleventh. What I mean to say is, in the end, dude, you got stopped. And this time you went out on your shield. Well, now there's zero debate about it. Like, you got absolutely no excuse at this point to point to, although maybe he will. I don't know. We'll see how things go. So, one, it didn't materially improve your situation.

You go to Wikipedia, there's still a big-ass L on there the whole way through. It didn't change your fortunes, number one. And number two, dude, if you keep carrying the salt from that wound over time, I don't give a shit how much you put on the weight room. It will fucking bury you. You cannot use that all the time for success it will either extinguish itself over time or it will consume you one way or the other you can use this is the truth about young men bc and you know this you can use rage

and rejection to get actually pretty far but you cannot maximize yourself on the backs of those and as long as he holds on to the idea that everything he did was right and there's no lesson to learn, dude, you will fucking repeat it, whether it's against Tyson Fury or somebody else. Okay, so you're right from a therapist point of view. I mean, we saw Doc 5, right? You can't be carrying around that rage and anger and all that stuff. You need to heal and grow as people fighting's a little bit different luke and some people you remember that scene a white man can't

jump i'm in an effing zone i lie you know you most people play play worse when they're mad but you're one of the rare ones who plays better some people can just fuel and all that's real life luke you know what i am on the basketball court luke i'm certainly not athletic nobody you know what i am i'm a i'm a mental savant who comes after people and that's why i get into so many near You know what I am on the basketball court, Luke? I'm certainly not athletic. A nobody. You know what I am? I'm a mental savant who comes after people, and that's why I get into so many near-fist fights. Because, Luke, I've been compensating for a lack of athleticism by playing mind games with people,

including you in this show right now for years, brother, okay? But number three, Luke, if I'm that far down on my points, bro, that may work for general middle America. This is boxing. This is a guy who doesn't have foundational uh tech technique at all in fact i just criticized him for 18 months all he gained was muscle he did nothing in that 18 months that in terms was applicable to that fight you don't miss this luke there's one man that can do this to him and that's tyson fury everyone else

wilder probably stops late see i'm at that point right now all All right, so we'll talk about that in just a second. The last thing on this, I'll just say it. I don't think that the lack of the sportsmanship towards Fury is a thing where we should like, oh, what a lout. You need to be a better sportsman. It's the fight game. People say mean things to each other

and not everyone wants to shake hands at the end. I understand. What I merely mean to say is, the third fight to me, BC, looked like what he wanted the second fight to be not so much the outcome but the chances he wanted the way it was going to go changing things up showing more of himself putting Fury on the canvas and then being getting the chance to go out on his shield he got in a sense what he wanted and in the end it did not improve his fortunes. In the end, he still got stopped. In the end, it was still an L.

Dude, if you got to some place based on rage and rejection and fuck everybody, which I've been there a couple times, I'm not saying it's not valuable. It's actually pretty valuable. But the problem is it doesn't carry you to full potential. In fact, it hinders it exactly. And here is a chance for him to reflect on the fact that you got what you wanted. We got rid of Mark Breland. We got rid of all the people you said were poisonous. You got to go out on your shield. Now where are you? You're on your back looking up at the lights with another L on there.

Dude, what did it, how did it profit you? He also knocked down, he also twice dropped the best heavyweight of this era and four times overall in a three-fight rivalry, an unbeaten guy that no one's beaten and the only one to beat Wilder. I'm not saying this is great for Wilder socially, that he's going to be mentally healthy the rest of his career because he didn't shake this guy's hand. I'm saying to keep him who he is in this edge in the fight game, everyone else probably gets knocked out against him, Luke.

He found the one guy and he put his best foot forward in the third fight. And we can't argue that. This was not the second fight. The second fight was one-way traffic, and you know it, Luke. Right, but this is what I'm saying is the third fight was, I think, more of a representation of what he had hoped the second fight would have been. Not the ultimate outcome, obviously. He wanted to win.

But what I'm saying is he didn't get a corner who he thought was going to throw in the towel. He had a good strategy, at least from the beginning, right? Going to the body. Maybe that didn't work the whole way through, but it certainly put Tyson Fury off for that first round. He didn't know what the fuck he was looking at. I'm just pointing out, dude, if you're a true sportsman in this game, not sportsmanship, but a guy who wants to win, think about things. If you get your way, all right, let's try it your way. What did it get you? It's

of course, dude, incredible that he put Tyson Fury down two times in the fourth. All I'm pointing out is if you get your way and it doesn't ultimately change your fortunes, there is a moment as an adult man, you have to reflect on that and say, how much did I profit from this? Some, but not enough to matter in the end in terms of winning and losing. Now, let's praise Deontay Wilder because I don't want to end on a sour note. With all that being said, BC, I love the point that you raised, and I agree with you. What's next?

Joshua has to fight Usyk. They've triggered the rematch clause. They're going to do that one again. Wilder might end up retiring. But assuming he stays around, BC, and it won't be next because we all know about all the mandatories and all the obstacles that are in there. But if Tyson Fury can barely withstand the power of a guy like Deontay Wilder, I'm not sure Anthony Joshua can.

Gun to your head. If that version of Deontay Wilder fought the one we saw against Usyk, now granted he was lighter for Usyk and whatever, but more or less that version, who wins? And I've got to tell you, Joshua's the better boxer. I'm putting my money on Deontay Wilder. Yeah, I mean, look, I know there's a lot of people going, oh, wow, there's trash, and, you know, Usyk will outbox him.

Of course Usyk would outbox him. The question is, can Usyk, in the second half of the fight, take these shots? Wilder's not going anywhere in these fights unless you can get him out of there. I think, you know, obviously Joshua, if he fought Wilder, has the power to do that. If it was a combustible brawl in the early on, yeah, Joshua could get him out of there. I think, you know, obviously Joshua, if he fought Wilder, has the power to do that. If it was a combustible brawl in the early on, yeah, Joshua could get him out of there. But, dude, people don't have that type of will that Wilder showed and carry your power late like that.

If he wants to continue, and I would hope, Luke, if he does, that he takes a considerable amount of time because he took a beating in this fight. I mean, let's not sugarcoat that at all. There's still money to be made, and I do think he's still a player because he's not relying on skill. Look, there's not a fight in which he's trying to outbox anybody. The only fight of his life that he won that he didn't score a knockout was the first fight against Davern because he broke his right hand, so he tried with the left hook, and it didn't work, and he won that he didn't score a knockout was the first fight against Davern because he broke his right hand so he tried with the left hook and it didn't work and he and he won a decision so

he's gonna that style will actually serve him well should he hang on you know too long in a twilight I don't think we'll see a lot of him but I do wonder if the pride inside of him the warrior inside of him the the spiteful guy that he's sort of built it up to be by avoiding that handshake and giving sportsmanship its proper moment. You know, again, it's boxing to me, whatever. You know, this guy's been through a different path than a lot of us, which has built that callous of the way he sees the world differently. Well, probably incorrectly in some areas, but it's his worldview.

Dude, you know, whether PBC wants to eventually put him in with Andy Ruiz or he wants to wait around to fight the loser of Joshua Usyk or whatever, there's money to be made, and I think he's going to be live in a lot of these fights. I think the only question, Luke, is can he will himself again to be willing to do this? Because this was, let's not overlook what this fight offered Wilder. People think he's done now. Even though we respect him for the effort, the general consensus, if you ask anybody, would be, oh, he's done.

We've seen him stop twice in a row now. He's done. I think people will overlook that it's only Fury that can do that. What was at stake here was a lot. It was a complete repairing of his career. He could have, in some arguments, won the rivalry had he beat Fury here. I don't know if he can get to this level of desire, hunger, and commitment again. He would have to prove that to us, Luke.

But, you know, if we see him at the second half of next year, I think that's probable. Yeah, yeah, and I got to say, I mean, this is the thing we mentioned at the top of the show. It is worth reiterating. Against guys not named Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder is 42-0. It's just a reality. If he puts gloves on anyone not named Tyson Fury,

history has shown they simply don't last. And what he tried, what he tried, once he stepped through those ropes is a level of commitment you will seldom see. You will seldom see somebody who is willing to give that much of themselves in pursuit of, frankly, by the eighth or ninth round, I won't say a hopeless cause, but a pretty damn distant one. And he was still trying and he was still trying and he was still trying. I agree with you. He took a bad beating. He should take some time off. But this is the part that I mean, BC, in the end, in the end, dude, even through this loss, I feel like the world is ready to accept Deontay Wilder for

the great parts that he can offer boxing, which are considerable. I feel like the American audience finally got a bit of a wake up call about how dangerous he is. I feel like the American audience finally got a bit of a wake-up call about how dangerous he is. I feel like he showed his power. You know, he didn't carry it late in the sense that he gassed, but it's just formidable against any name, including the very best one in boxing that we have today. When you reject that, you reject an opportunity, I think, frankly, to grow. I think, if anything, dude, he elevated his name and his stakes.

And frankly, I think he became a much more popular figure in America by fighting a Brit. Dude, this is the last thing I'll say about Deontay Wilder. Like, dude, Joshua faced down Usyk and he fought Klitschko. And he's fought, to your point, he's got the best resume on paper. But there's something special about now what we know about Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder, not just fighting him three times, begging for the third fight. Could not wait to sign up against this guy. There is something very admirable about trying to beat the very, very, very best, especially when you're not quite handicapped in that sense, obviously, but when you have,

relatively speaking, much less boxing skill. This dude tried to put it on the line against the very best, not once, not twice, but thrice. Didn't come up with the W, but you have got got to respect that commitment. Yes? No? Yes. I agree with you. What are you being the robot for? Any final thoughts on Deontay no are you okay did you just get like did someone just die in front of you what happened

I gave I gave you my best alright people heard it alright that's the end there phenomenal phenomenal okay let's talk a little UFC BC I don't know if you had a chance to catch it. I'm hoping you did since it's on the rundown, but we switched now. Yeah, right, look, I'm a professional, all right? All right, very good.

Very, very good, very good. All right, so topic number four. UFC Vegas 39, I think it was, something like that. Mackenzie Dern came up short against Marina Rodriguez. We'll talk about Mackenzie in just a second, but first, for Rodriguez, BC, you'll get the first question. Was this win, in the way that it happened, worthy of leapfrogging Carla Esparza to get the title shot,

even counting the comments that Rodriguez made saying Esparza deserves it first? No, it wasn't enough. Look, this is a star division. Let's be honest. It's the best women's division in terms of consistent matchmaking and the amount of legit title contenders. It's also a very marketable one. Rodriguez is not a marketable personality or name and all that.

She has to do it with style and skill. To her credit, we've only seen her lose once, and that split decision to Esparza. This was a strong win. Five rounds, gutsy, overcame what I thought should have been a 10-8 round across the board in round two, in which she spent most of it on her back, even in full mount, even though let's give her credit for applying that choke early and really making Dern uncomfortable. I have so many good things to say about Rodriguez in her adjustments

and her ability to keep the final three rounds at distance on her best terms. She is a legitimate title contender, Luke. I actually think the fight to make is a rematch with her and Esparza right now, especially if we're not really sure Rose Whaley could end up in a trilogy for all we know if the second fight is great. Also, Ioana's in the picture. It's a crowded area. The story's Mackenzie Dern, though, Luke.

Let's be honest. Why is the story Mackenzie Dern, though, Luke. Let's be honest. Why is the story Mackenzie Dern? Because what we needed to have answered coming in here, because Mackenzie Dern is a potentially big marketable force, we needed to find out if her game was well-rounded and elite enough, even though it's top-heavy in one area, the ground, to be able to eat, to beat the perfect sort of potential elite gatekeeper in Rodriguez. And what we found out, Luke, is it

wasn't. And in almost a humbling way. Was it a competitive fight? Yes. It won fight of the night. It was fun. There was action. There were twists and turns. But Mackenzie Dern, not ready for prime time yet, Luke, in terms of beating somebody of this category. All right, well, speaking of Rodriguez first, I mean, her last three fights, well, since the Esparza loss, basically, which was a split decision, she stopped Amanda Hibas, she beat Watterson, and then she beat Dern here. That's a hell of a win streak.

I mean, title shot worthy, I agree with you. Probably not enough, either from a marketing standpoint, frankly, a meritocratic standpoint a little bit more work to be done you just don't quite have that case to leapfrog Esparza so that should stay in the way that it was I will say it reminded me a little bit a little bit just a tad of like Rousey versus home where you thought if Rousey could get home to the ground the differential was so enormous. Surely she would have her way with her. If you go back to that fight, Rousey did get home to the ground, if not

once, maybe twice. And there were some pretty precarious moments, but in the end, she couldn't get it done. And then there was, obviously she got finished on the feet. Dern did not. She had a little bit more to offer here and it went the full distance. But people keep saying like, oh, what Dern needs is her wrestling. Well, the wrestling is a big part of it. That's true. Obviously, on the ground, she needs no help whatsoever. But it just shows you in modern MMA, a couple things. One, on the ground, Rodriguez was no match for Dern.

But she showed enough submission defense and positional awareness to basically defuse a bomb for four minutes straight. If you're Mackenzie Dern and you have someone on the ground for four minutes, you probably feel like the fight should not go on at that point, and it did. It just shows, even with modern jiu-jitsu and the best versions of it, with Demi and Maya and Mackenzie Dern coming over, that can sometimes be against an opponent who is playing nothing but defense. They're parking the bus tomorrow from soccer.

That's not necessarily enough to win, first of all, you win the round, but not the fight. And the second part I'd say is, dude, it's not just the wrestling. The striking has to get you into distance with it. And then once you're there, your opponent needs to be confused enough about what's coming to make the wrestling better. To me, dude, this was a regression from the last fight. I thought she was showing really good striking, Mackenzie Dern um when she faced off against Nina Nunes she had that nice strip this one to me reminded me of like the random Marcos fights or the Hannah Cyphers fights though she won those fights BC but I didn't feel like the progression was still happening on areas I guess outside of jiu-jitsu yeah this was this was a setback in a lot of ways it's what happens when

you step up to the level of competition where to be fair you you have to be a complete fighter at this level to beat these type of fighters and does Dern is just not there Luke and I thought you you brought up it in look you don't want to you don't want to put too much negative on her because she she stayed competitive and even somewhat dangerous for five rounds and going to the five round level is always a leap at this point. But for Dern to have that level of dominance in round two and really not have Rodriguez close to anything bad, Luke, to get full mount again at a point in round three even

and be able to do nothing with it, that's tough, Luke. That shows that she is far know far far from a finished product her striking game is so dependent upon upon controlling the terms like things have to go mackenzie dern's way completely for her to have success meaning she can use her striking to get inside take you down and then just use that size and athleticism but when you've got someone stubborn defensively smart who can make adjustments and then can bring the fight back up to the feet, Mackenzie Dern's striking game offers no nuance up to this point. She does not know how to counter-strike whatsoever, does not know how to be

successful unless she's coming forward, looking to almost use her striking, and let's give her credit, she's figured out a right hand and knows how to use it as a weapon, but it's still a function of trying to get close to take her opponent down and i think when you factor in which you pointed out in the preview of this fight her very low takedown percentage she's still very raw luke and there are parts of her game that are quasi elite conditioning strength uh comfortability on the ground all of that and look you know she you know, she didn't fold. She didn't gas out. Although I think it was fair after round two,

she didn't have that same crispness to her cardio, which is sometimes a hard lesson. You can only learn in your first five round fight. Stipe Miocic had to learn that against Junior Dos Santos after some big success early and losing that fight in their first meeting. Uh, it's not enough to be afraid that Dern will never get there. She's still young and the evolution has been fairly consistent the last three four fights but Luke not there yet and and really not

that close yet to being there and so I think there there's uh there's a lot she's gonna have to go back and repair yeah I think I think that's right it wasn't a a disaster it wasn't a total loss but the truth of the fight to me is quite sobering on the ground I don't think there's really anyone in that division that can hang with her but even with that differential that doesn't mean I had people tweeting me like oh she needs this one takedown and it's finished dude no that's just not how modern MMA works man Marina Rodriguez is not the same as Mackenzie Dern on the ground and literally never will be. But one takedown, this is magical thinking at the modern game at the highest level. It's simply not enough.

And the sobering reality is like, dude, it's not just the wrestling. It's not just the striking. It's just development overall that kind of has to happen, that kind of has to work. I'd even argue while her jiu-jitsu was dominant, maybe tailoring that towards some other types of attacks, hunting the back more regularly or whatever it may be, than rather just, you know, she was doing a lot of knee cut passing on top, which again, I'm not here to say that my jiu-jitsu was better. It's not, or I understand it better. I'm just saying, if you got a guy down for four or an opponent down for four minutes and you can't finish them off, there might be some alternative ways to approach

this. Anyway, it was a bit of a reset moment, I thought, in the career of mackenzie duran she was beginning to build this is going to be another one of those moments where she's going to have to pivot off of and then have another growth opportunity on top of it rodriguez looks like we'll have to wait for a title shot after another bout she needs more skill look she needs she needs more skill i think she relied for so long on size and athleticism for this weight class and it it's not going to cut it against the elites. It's just not. It's not. All right, so point number five, BC. Last but certainly not least, who else from UFC Vegas 39?

Of course, this was the card over the weekend McKenzie Dern and Rodriguez were headlining. Who else from that card either impressed you in a good way, stood out to you in a bad way? Give me a shout-out of someone that deserves one, for better or for worse. Yeah, not a deep card coming in, and again, I give ESPN and UFC credit to not have it go against the Wilder Fury fight, and they put it on earlier in the day.

But Maria Agapova from Kazakhstan, Luka, women's flyweight, this is the kind of comeback win that she needed. The way that she lost to Shana Dobson as a minus 1,000 favorite after coming in last time with so much hype as like the next big thing here, looking like Ioana with the quick activity levels and the confidence and the swagger. Luke, this comeback win against Sabina Mazzo, the first Colombian female fighter to enter the octagon, was thorough, was devastating, was crisp on the striking.

I'm not saying that Maria is ready for title contention or anything like that. There are so many questions she still needs answered on the ground in a lot of efforts of her game beyond just setting people up with that left cross. But I don't think you can overvalue, Luke, mentally what the type of loss she had against Dobson can do to you as a fighter. I mean, she absolutely crumbled fatigue-wise, mentally, and essentially almost like tapped out due to strikes at one point. I mean, it was just like a complete like, I am done.

She came back, got in the best shape of her career. They mentioned on the broadcast that she had some personal setbacks. People had to give her money to be able to figure out her, you know, to do a full training camp. Whatever combination she did to come back, she put the wheels back on the car and she's back on the road, Luke. This was very good. I mean, that striking is going to be hard to beat in this division. Let's see if she can continue to grow with the right types of matchmaking to round out the parts of her game that need to. I mean, she had Mazo's number from the word go. That means they had a good game plan, and they had scouted Mazo well.

It worked, I don't know if to perfection, but it worked pretty goddamn well early, and they just stuck to it. And Mazo couldn't really make any adjustments. She was trying to feint to get Agapova to throw first. Worked on occasion, and when she did, Mazo, excuse me, to get Agapova to throw first, worked on occasion. And when she did, Mazo was beginning to land. But Mazo is one of these types where she got famous from these two sort of head kicks that went viral from LFA

or one of the regional shows. And the reason why is because when she can begin to get the hands going in rhythm and in volume, she sets up the legs and therefore she has the success that she has. But it's all part of A, overall and be high low if she can't ever really get going with the hands there's not much else there for her to adjust to a cop of a never letter and do that right hand that set her down she took every ounce of that punch and credit to a cop of a man jumping on the back see this is the thing i wrote on Twitter at the time. How many times have you seen someone take a nice punch,

and they look hurt, and then their opponent goes to take them down, and their opponent recovers? Here's a case where Agapova drilled her opponent, dropped her, and then clamped onto the back, BC. So even if the choke didn't work, I'm in an advantageous position to keep trying thereafter that's a much better tactical decision to your point where she just kind of collapsed against shana dobson the last time good improvement i mean she's only 24 and i think what's most important is she figured

out how to be patient without lowering her activity level like she took away the recklessness but she stayed she stayed dangerous and uh she's someone to watch luke there's still there's still a lot that needs to be done but she's someone to watch uh i would give a quick shout out if i could to damon jackson on the prelim card who defeated charles rosa via 29 28 and then 29 27 and 30 27 dude losing what could only be described as a medically alarming amount of blood charles r Rosa hit him with a spinning back elbow, and it cut him right along the side of the face, basically right over or above the temple in a vertical line, right? And this thing was, and not just,

to say it was leaking blood would not be accurate. It was billowing blood. It was surging blood. It looked like a geyser. There was so much blood that had spilled, which, by the way, when he was making a wrestling-heavy game plan that makes it even harder, it kind of acts in a gross way. It was a bit of a lubricant, unfortunately. So even with that,

he was able to get the win. He stayed. He didn't get distracted. He didn't get bothered. And Charles Ross, a tough competitor, especially in the way in which Jackson was trying to fight him, but he got it done. I'm sure that's been a bit of a rough recovery, but credit to him for not losing bearing.

You know what no man wants to talk about again? You ever look at the floor in the birthing room after birth? Oh, it's a murder scene. That's what the freaking cage looked like after that fight the rest of the way, Luke. We haven't seen that type of size stain on the UFC octagon in a while. You know, that's old school. That's like 2006 looking stains that we used to see. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. Okay.

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tuned. Should be fun. Alright, BC, it is time for us to entertain the questions from the audience. It's time for DMs from dogs. Hee-haw. Hee-haw. Hee-haw. Alright, BC, from Kieran underscore Edwards 2. That's a good question.

With Fury now breaking both the Versace robe and Drake curses, I didn't even know about the Drake curse, would him breaking the resume review curse make him the GOAT of all existence? I think so. So let's say he fought Dillian White next which if our MMA fans aren't aware Dillian White is a very capable out in this boxing game Fury would be a

clear favorite but White's big he's strong all that and we picked Fury for the resume review curse and he beat it Luke I don't know we're doing one before that Luke that we'll see if the curse is still standing but that would be remarkable if he could end all

curses. I was about to say, if we did one on him and he ended it, especially if we get to like 0 and 10 or something, we might have to just change the show to like Tyson Fury has got big ol' balls, you know, combat or whatever the case. I think you're right. Yeah. Alright, from

Tyson underscore calm would mark breland have thrown in the towel on deontay wilder i think he means on saturday night it's actually not a bad question bc what do you think it's not but i don't believe so people really need to remember how bad wilder was in that second fight in terms of like okay so he was dragon in this fight he was in zombie mode but again he had flurries of action at the end of so many of these rounds that he kept himself in the fight. He wasn't in that second fight in any circumstance. And Luke, he also had blood coming out of his ear in the second fight,

which he had upon the knockout here in the third fight. But, you know, you got blood coming from your ear, whether from a cut or internal. I mean, look, that seems to be next level. He had a busted up face. Um, I did see Mark Breland, by the way, after the fight, put out a video of himself inside a ring in a, in a hotel in Atlantic city, just shadow boxing. And he wrote great fight. I don't think there was anything negative there. I think he was just, just, uh, you know, but look at the end of the day, um, Wilder got what he wanted, but he also didn't put himself into a position where Malik Scott or JDS

or Don House would have had to make a really tough decision, Luke. Although, did you hear that they literally did not allow towels in the corner so that the fight couldn't be? I mean, that's just, okay, that's ridiculous, Luke. That's just so stupid. And, frankly, dude, I got to say, I saw this before. Like Malik Scott was like, oh, there's no way I'll throw it. Let me explain something to you, man.

You know, not that I'm encouraging lying before the commission, but the commission should not give a license to anyone who says, I'm never throwing this out. Sorry, you don't get one. You don't get one. You know, I don't know how to solve the problem of people saying, oh, I'll throw it, and they never do. That's a separate issue.

But if you're just pledging to never throw it, get the fuck out of here. I'm not okay with that at all. I mean, Balboa has to live with that the rest of his life, Luke. Exactly. The one thing I would say about this is there were definitely some weird spots in this fight, BC, where it got a little hairy, you know?

But it never reached that moment where you were like well maybe after the 10th maybe maybe they could have maybe you know uh reeland would have been like i'm not sending you back out for the 11th work he saved himself he had his best work to close the 10th while they're yeah yeah i'll say this a different referee and a different corner potentially could have but you're right the second fight he got knocked down in the third he got knocked down in the fifth and he was never in that fight there were moments in this fight several big ones in fact where he was definitely in it so a little bit different in that case we should hire mark breland luke when we're on a

topic too long you know sometimes you and i just argue and linger and our producers hit us in the chat like guys we should probably move on to the MMA so the core fans don't get mad we should just hire Mark Breland to sit in like the stat guy role and just have the towel ready I agree you can pay for it alright from Julian underscore B underscore I

I think should Wilder have taken a tune up fight before this one dude what would that have done for him nothing no fuck no no no look what would that have done the only way he he could have or should have is if they were literally trying to turn him into a boxer if they had thought the second fight was like okay we can't do this at the elite level anymore you can't just stalk people and try to knock them out late in the fight. They didn't do that.

Okay, yeah, they worked the body a little, and he tried his jab a few times. But again, once that became a fight, it was a fight. Nothing to be gained there. They actually benefited, Luke. They benefited from Fury not being, you know, the Fury of recent memory in this fight. Sure, sure. He was a little bit

off, I thought, in this one, but still obviously quite good. Alright, from at Scott.McCrate. BC, can you school me on the 10 count rule in boxing? What happens if it takes the ref, let's say, 15 to 20 seconds to count? Is that still considered a 10 count? One sort of note here,

BC, just to sort of like, you know what answer it go ahead what do you think okay um so here's where a lot of people get it wrong dc got it wrong on twitter i think even andre ward was sort of speculating was that second knockdown in round four when fury went down was that a long count was this dempsey freaking uh gene tony all over again no it wasn't here's what people forget it It's not 10 seconds. It's a 10 count, and it's at the discretion of the referee. The timekeeper begins the count as soon as the fighter goes down, and as you often see, once the referee gets into position, he turns around to look at the

timekeeper who's going two, three, and he usually picks up the count by three or four. From the moment the referee picks up the count, it becomes his count at his cadence. Does that lead a potential for a slow or fast count? Potentially, yes. But the potential controversy on that second knockdown in Route 4 was people put their stopwatch to it. It's like, oh, he was down for 20 seconds. Well, here's the reason why. Wilder didn't do what you're supposed to do, which is as soon as

you knock somebody down, you go to a neutral corner and stay there. He was a little bit too happy that he was close to a stoppage and was lingering and boxing rules are plain written. It's referee's discretion. If someone's not going to the neutral corner, he pauses the count, puts them in the neutral corner, comes back to regain it. So some people were saying, oh, you know, if it was a real 10 seconds, Fury wouldn't have gotten up. The thing about Fury on both of those knockdowns is he was clear-eyed. Clear-eyed. He was not, you know, wobbly on queer street, as they say, or they used to say, Luke.

Luckily, they don't say that anymore. He was hurt. He was dropped, but he was clear-eyed. So he was waiting for the count meaning is if the count was fast he would have got up fast but he's a veteran he knows to get up at eight the referee will rub off his gloves and then we'll continue so um the reason why we have that rule is if watch boxing from the 30s 40s or 50s when somebody knocks somebody out you could stand over him ready to deliver the boom again you know i'm

saying so like i'm glad they changed that rule luke and wilder didn't adhere to that rule so mora kept the count on his own terms and that's that's how it works dude i mean what do we what do we want here what are we trying to say here can't add anything better to that that's a great answer um all right another one on the boxing side i think folks. By the way, we never really talked about this part. I mean, we kind of mentioned it, but it's worth sort of saying out loud. I liked that the promoter did an all-heavyweight card. I'm not sure it worked out as they had hoped, main event notwithstanding, but co-main down.

Jogba and Sanchez wasn't exactly what we had thought. Hellenist, I thought, was the big winner on the main card. And then, obviously, that kid Anderson has a long way to go, but he looks pretty good. What did you make of them doing an all-heavyweight card? Did you like it? I loved it. It reminded me of the glory days of Don King in the 1990s when we had so many of these.

One of the best ones was Madison Square Garden. I think it was 96, a very underrated fight when Lennox Lewis, fresh off the knockout, fresh off losing his title against Oliver McCall, had to go in there against a prime Ray Mercer in a 10-round war. That card was all heavyweights. I love that, Luke. I thought that that was great matchmaking in that co-main.

F.A. Ajagba is not there, but his record told you he needed to fight somebody legit. He fought on beating Frank Sanchez, who has the Cuban school, along with being a puncher, and he relied on that. Yeah, there was a sketchy maybe knockdown when a jog, but took a knee, and Sanchez landed one more punch. But that was a strong performance. And as you mentioned, Jelenius came back against Kovnatsky and beat the brakes off of him a second time.

He fucked him up. Now, speaking of that fight, last question from SharkAttack316. Jelenius defeated Kovnatsky via DQ Saturday after Kovnachki was warned once, actually he was warned a couple times by the referee, to not hit below the belt immediately, then DQ'd after it happened a second time. No, he had a point taken, if memory serves. He was warned, then he had a point taken, BC, and then he was DQ'd. But the question is still pretty relevant, which is, why do we see officials make this decision swiftly and firmly in boxing, yet in MMA, fighters seemingly can execute multiple groin shots in one fight without ever being disqualified or even docked a point by some of

our best referees? What do you say, BC? It's not always like that in boxing. Go watch Abner Morris versus Joseph Agbeko. The same Russell Mora that we praised for his work in Saturday night's main event allowed Abner Morris to land about 79 shots to the balls against Agbeko. And even Jim Gray in the Showtime interview afterwards got on him, got up in that ass. And Mora was like, no, they weren't low. Good God. I even brought that up to Abner Morris last time I saw him, Luke. And he was like, don't bring that fight up to me, please don't do it. Luke, it was a swift judgment, by the way, just so people know, first of all, Kovnatsky now has lost twice when he was unbeaten to the same guy in the same way.

Luke, that style is not sustainable, by the way, to just walk into people and just throw punchers without any defense. You made a stiff puncher. You're going to get out of there. He did. I thought that the DQ was the wrong call, and actually they changed it. Even though it was announced as a DQ,

the referee afterwards told the commission that he chose to make it a TKO because he felt the fight was ready to be stopped anyway, given the swell on Kovnatsky's eyes. So a little bit of weirdness there, but the overall spirit of the question, Luke, he was swift. He went right after it. He didn't want that infraction infraction it happened again he delivered the boom and gave a point

and then the second time ended the fight i wish we could see more of that i don't like luke when uh when we can see eye pokes or groin shots that can really sway the momentum of a fight and not have any penalty behind it agreed agreed uh these are good answers from ubc i appreciate it okay well sir we go from the serious and uh the not so fun to the frivolous and fun idiotic bc take it away thank you luke um if this is your first time on this thing we have a segment called have you seen the shit in which your your boy BC scours the globe for the good, the bad, the ugly, the highs, the lows, the in-between in combat, sports, and beyond. Really, have you seen this shit? Oh, God.

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Let's go to Las Vegas, Luke. Fury Wilder 3. I want you to rate the walkouts. First, check out Wilder's mask, Luke. I liked Wilder's mask. I thought it was pretty cool. Relatively the last time, understated. But I like the red.

It got that blood red. It stood out. I like it. It's good. He had the robe with the hair on it it was pretty cool you know it didn't weigh 40 pounds so that was the big winner here exactly luke's tyson fury came out very spartan like i'll get to his cavalcade around him but what did you think of the gypsy king's almost roman gladiator look here well i liked his look but the uh you know the middle america yoga teacher who also is a vegan who lives in his van was a little bit not for me luke you're referencing the mvp on this

weird night uh this creeper left many wondering exactly who is he he had long painted black pointy nails he played a i don't know what do you call that a a sharif or sharif a sharif abdur rahim i don't know what it is that's what he played he played sharif's uh pipe there luke uh he was creepy a lot of people wonder i i chose by the way not to play the video of him dancing because i it was it creeped me out we just went with a still picture but look turns out we found out who it was let's go to ufc wel welterweight Michael Chiesa's tweet still buzzing about last night but I had a blast leading Fury out to the ring that's a good zing that's a good bit well that's a good I gotta say dude like here's the thing man you know everyone was like oh Brian Ortega came out with those purge

masks that wasn't for me but I appreciate attempt. I like that fighters are attempting to bring a little bit of dimension to their walkout. But dude, as long as they're under the thumb of no fun Dana White, you're never going to get shit like this unless you just watch boxing. Period. No one else is doing it like this.

I'd rather have this than not have this, if that makes sense. We didn't have this a few years ago, really. I mean, you had the occasional, there was that dude, was it Sharif Boghri? He used to fight on Showtime a lot. He would come out in a cage, dress like a panther or something, Luke.

But we don't see this too often. Really, I think Anthony Joshua's ring walks in those stadiums with the AJ on fire, that started to change the game a bit. I'm glad that we have it now. I like this pro wrestling bullshit. You? You know what? If the fights

deliver in the ways that these two have been delivering for us all three times, they can do whatever they want at the beginning of it as far as I'm concerned. You referenced Tyson Fury after the win, Luke. His shirt was still out, but he went to Wet Republic to join famous DJ Steve

Aoki for a nice shirtless COVID-free hug, Luke. Tyson Fury is amazing. He looks like a contestant who's six weeks into the biggest loser. Doesn't care. Just beat Deontay Wilder in a vicious boxing match where he was put down twice. Here he is after getting, I'm sure sure the least amount of medical care imaginable showing up to a covid party not caring the guy's had it twice i'm sure he's fine

and uh and just living life like he's arnold schwarzenegger after his seventh olympia it's unbelievable this guy's confidence his i wish i had his confidence i really do yeah you wish you had his bde that's his wife paris in front of him. And also, Luke, people look at his gut a lot and think differently. If you listen closely to the interviews like the one he did with Ariel talking about mental health, he was training twice a day, even before the training camp for this fight, just to keep his mental health in line. And the team feared that he was over training and might burn out but dude to keep

that 277 pound frame going for 11 and a half rounds at that pace that's something look you don't see heavyweights with that type of stamina man you know like really you don't no and there was a couple times where i thought he got a little bit tired especially if deontay maybe had a flurry of sorts but you just can't ever say he had bad cardio. He didn't. He didn't. He really is. He's something special, this guy. Damn near went tip to tip with that DJ.

All right, Luke, fight night in Vegas, UFC style. I mentioned Maria Agapova, Luke. She brought the swagger back after that KO loss. She still got it, Luke. Look at this. Yeah, she's a spark plug. And then this was the finish we talked about. Just violent and efficient as shit.

Look at this right hand. Boom. I mean, that is just too good. That is just too good. I didn't even give her a chance. Once she planted her hands. Here's a small little detail, BC. Watch this.

She drops her. Watch the right foot. The right foot of Agapova come all the way through so she can body triangle. You see the body triangle? She immediately had a body triangle before the choke was even sunk. Amazing. With that length, if she can become a submission prospect too as well, along with the striking, she's going to be something, Luke.

You mentioned Charles Rosa. The Featherweight had the war with Damon Jackson. Here's that sneaky Yair Rodriguez-style elbow, Luke. You see this, kid? Yeah, I was watching this live, and he hits it with a clean. Bop, just like that. And watch the blood just seep. You can't see here once they change once they change angles here and you could see where the referee tyone was like what the fuck yeah he would

go on to lose the decision rosa but he did land this ridiculous elbow luke i remember the first time i heard a fighter like brush off blood it was tim kennedy and strike force years ago and he was like dude guys guys i'm fine, I'm fine. It's just blood. I'm like, oh, that thing that gives you life? Yeah, it's just leaking all over the floor. Luke, co-main event, Randy Brown kicked Jared

Gordon right in the damn mouth. You see that shit? Damn. Yeah, I did. And he had fucked up toes. Not by this point, or maybe this was the one that did it. His toes got dislocated, and he had to fight through it. Pretty impressive performance. And Gordon had missed weight, so he was pretty pissed, or Brown was. Yeah, catch weight about in the end.

In the opening fight, lightweight Charlie Ontiveros wobbled Steve Garcia with this axe kick before going on to lose by stoppage himself, Luke. But this was a fun highlight. Yeah, it really was. He gets rocked here. But, dude, Garcia, credit to him. Good poise, good posture, stayed calm, got his wits about him, and then put on a savage ground-and-pound finish. Good work by him.

Antoveros goes to the same barber, apparently, as Johnny Walker, Luke. All right, to zone boxing from the UK. How about this dedication? On Saturday, former Canelo foe Liam Beefy Smith stops Anthony Fowler in the Battle of Liverpool. Good win there for the former junior middleweight world champion, brother of Callum Smith, and the fighting four Smith brothers. The next morning on Sunday, Luke shows up at his footy game and even scores a goal how about that luke can we advance the slide there you go well i gotta say they had interviewed on the zone dc united legend wayne rooney and he was sized for it because it was an all liverpool affair

um but i did not see this part yeah i don't have video of the goal but that's him suiting up the next morning i guess that's what happens when you win luke on the same zone card a fight of the year contender at 154 as troy williamson rallies in round 10 to stop cheese the big cheese ted cheeseman in brutal fashion i did see this this dude gets laid the fuck out boom Boop, boop. It was a good fight. Bop. Oh, what? Oh, boy. Woo. Yeah, he did the old, when they go back with one leg to the side and one leg out in front, and there's the towel, too.

Yeah. Yeah, that's when the show's over. The big cheese is flawed, man. He's a fun fighter. He puts it out there, but he leaves his chin out to be had, and now he's lost a few times. Luke, I don't know what's next for that fella, but he got sliced up Swiss style. Luke,

the best knockout of the week, or maybe the saddest, came BKFC in Oklahoma. Joe Riggs sending Melvin Gillard through the ropes in just 59 seconds of round one. Dude, Melvin Gillard is not even recognizable at this point. And he had a broken orbital from this, so I don't mean to diminish that.

I'm sure he got hit very hard. But he is out of shape. The guy's been in bar fights that were documented and got in legal trouble. I'm not even sure. He's on an epic losing streak. I'm not even sure how he's getting a license to compete. Bare Knuckle, they need to clean up some stuff. I mean, they come back from the unfortunate death of a fighter

by putting a 38-year-old Gallard who's lost four straight bare-knuckle fights and nine straight MMA bouts to close out his career there. That's what I mean. They're not executing on best practices here. Luke, a lot of talk about the Reebok to Venom transition in Poland, though. They're not fooling around with fighter advertisements here. What the fuck? Is that a tattoo?

So when you get a tattoo, they put on a stencil first. Is that a tattoo stencil? What the fuck is that? They're like advertisement temporary patches. It's very similar to like Bernard Hopkins wearing golden golden palace.com on his back back you see people don't remember people don't remember that you and i lived through mma2 did this for a while until ufc basically banned it but guys used to get their backs spray painted with ads on them from like one of the famous places was golden palace and they would just do that for money

and you'd be like wow man that's a little genius but it's a little sad a little sad yeah rico rodriguez told me that ufc never gives him any historical praise because they told him not to do that for his title his one and only title defense there when he lost the belt to randy what no he beat randy and then tim silvia he lost to tim silvia yeah and he and it was at mohegan, and they said no other casino ads, and he put Golden Palace on his back, and Dana tried to kill him, and yeah, there you go. Or maybe because he just wasn't a great fighter, Luke. That's possible, right?

Rico was good in his day. Okay. Hey, Luke, let's go over to a big week for Conor McGregor in South Florida. First, the Notorious caught a shark from his back garden. I don't know much more details to this. Do you think it really happened? Looks like a shark to me. Okay, I mean, did he catch it with a fishing pole, or was he

hanging out with some deep-sea divers? I don't know, Luke. Yeah, that part I'm not so sure about, but yeah, it's a big-ass fucking shark. McGregor, no stranger to fish scales, of course, Luke, but that wasn't the only thing that happened in the past week in Miami. He got a key to the city from Mayor Suarez some 19 months after he was arrested in that same city, Luke, for felony battery when he

broke that guy's cell phone. Can we zoom in here? Can we see the family smiling? BC, we should go to that club and get into a fist fight with one another. We can just pretend, get arrested, and then go get the key to the city there. You think that would work? Yes. I'd like you to get the key to old Marietta and then clean out your earwax and just throw it at him, Luke. And be like, I never knew you. I never needed you, okay?

I'm from Doha, bitch. Yes. Doha. All right, Luke. Luke, some guys have all the luck, but guitar players still get all the poontang. Watch this guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Look at the reaction, too, Luke. Slash put that out there. Don't look at me, okay? Okay, that's mildly disturbing. Yeah, I kind of enjoyed it, Luke, and the reaction was huge, too. Look at her. She loves it, Luke. I think she's angry.

All right, maybe we just got canceled. Luke, best fails of the week. Check out this chick trying to navigate the staircase at a college party. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. You know what? In fairness, it is hard to walk with doc martin's on when the beer is uh when i should say when the floor is covered in uh natty light and beast light yeah luke you

ever hook up after a chick threw up or caught a black eye or anything no comment okay all right hey luke that's not the worst fail let's keep the fail countdown going. Here's winter gymnastics gone wrong. Oh, boy. But, Luke, we know your favorite fails come in the gym. Watch this guy. This may be the all-time worst. I love Jim. He's setting up for the snatch.

Let's see. Oh! Oh, God. Now, I can't quite tell because the video is grainy, but it looks to me like he's got straps on, which is why his hands are tied to the bar, and that bitch just rolls his ass forward. I mean, look at that. I mean, this is how I feel every Monday morning

when we don't have 100K on there. Oh, look at that. Ass in the air. I'm going to put my ass in the air. Oh, that's bad. That's bad. ESPN's David Jacoby of Jalen and Jacoby fame tried to join the Bills mafia this weekend, Luke.

I mean, is there a dumber fan base than this one? Jacoby, a Grantland veteran. Shout out to him. You know, what's funny is the Bills are a good team. They beat the Chiefs last night, right? Like, they're a good team. And what is this? Will you stop? You work in television television get the fuck off the cooler i mean you suck get the fuck off

get what are you you suck we're shit if you're gonna do it motherfucker that table needs to be on fire and you need to disintegrate it with how hard you're coming down on that thing what is the lamest shit ever i i can't argue against that luke uh people think all we fit show or fails and questionable things like guys pulling a guitar out of their penis hole luke but how about this this wholesome video that's making the rounds after robbie lawler stopped nick diaz in their rematch are you good are you good in life no that's fucking different look look you know what i'm saying what can i do to help you look he he basically gave nick like uh like uh you know put the armor on them said what can i do in life to help you i mean

robbie law is a he's a real one luke i needed this from you after i had asked john jones a question in 2017 i needed this from you. Where were you? Nowhere to be found. Let's fucking get there. You know what I'm saying, Luke? All right. All right. Hey, leftover from Fury Wilder week. Did you check out the stool?

He's unbelievable. See, by the way, isn't this much better? Remember when Connor was going to fight Mayweather, and then he painted that mural of Mayweather getting stolen, and in the end he, you know, fat lot of good did him. This is, to me, a little bit more modest and a little bit funnier anyway. Big dosser. Yeah.

Luke, I told you last week that the Roley-Romero-Gervonta-Davis Showtime pay-per-view fight that Davis announced could be a fun build. Let's zoom in on this and see this troll job put out there by Roley. Testing out new sparring partners for the tank fight.

Same height, same reach, southpaw, and higher IQ. I found the whole package right here. Luke, he's sparring a damn toddler. Dude, he is going to get hurt. He's going to get hurt. He's going to get hurt. I hate to say it. I know we have to cover that fight. I'm happy to cover it.

I'm excited about it. I'm excited about it. And Roley makes it interesting, bro. He's going to get stretched. I mean, it's just the way he's going to try to do this stretching too. Okay.

Okay. It's going to be fun to watch Luke. All right. We'll see. I can't wait to get him on the show. Tank is going to send him to the land of wind and ghosts, but up until that moment, it's going fun yeah yeah uh luke let's see the strip club sign of the week your thoughts showgirl three the midget is

dude uh nick topalo was when i grew up nick topalo was one of my favorite comedians he's turned into something of a right-wing reactionary and not that funny anymore, but he had a joke. He's like, you've been driving down America's highways. The advertisements for strip clubs is no different than fishing stores. It's like live girls. It's like, oh, they're alive.

What are they, fucking fishing bait? You know what I mean? Like, you just, they get the weirdest shit. I mean, I love that there's no other details needed they just put that in the sign people know i gotta i gotta be i gotta get there i gotta get back there you know and they didn't say which midget just the midget like okay all right sweet the notorious one for sure all right luke rate my tat ass cheeks edition this is the andy ruiz one we've been talking about. Yeah. Tattoo on assy. Luke, I don't like this trend at all.

It's not really a trend. It's been going on for centuries. But it's a good tattoo. It's a very good tattoo. I know folks like. I mean, what is it? What is on his ass, Luke? So, well, you know what? The face there is a little bit of an issue

but people might be asking why you get the whole ass tattooed instead of just the lower back the problem is if you look at the human body it's shaped like a rectangle obviously you know there are differences here and there but more or less it's like a rectangle and when you cut it off at just the waist it creates actually a weird visual on the back the back it's not really designed for that when you sweep across across into the lower thighs like some of the Japanese style do, you actually get the elongated picture to fit more readily on the back.

And so that's why you would tattoo some of the ass and then the back of the thighs with what's called a Japanese bodysuit. This is not Japanese. This is sort of like, I don't know. You see sort of like I don't know You see like sort of American Gangster Almost a little bit I know you're more into actually grading

The technique and the you know I'm actually wondering how do they do it Does he lay on his stomach and they actually Spread his ass because they're like Real deep inside In fact there's a science to how deep you get The whole idea is to go into the crack far enough where if they're standing normally you can't see any untatoed skin yeah it's a real thing you're supporting this you're supporting a man like hey andy why don't you just get all fours we'll just spread yeah we got to get we got to get

as close as to the we got to get we got to get the grundle track we got to get as close to the anus as we can i mean what is it what water bro water please you know yes that is uh i would absolutely not i wouldn't get this tattoo but for the right back piece yeah i would absolutely get that you would get an ass tat sure uh maniche says spoken like a man who has an ass tat right now, Luke. No, I don't. I got ass pimples. Luke, if you get it, I'm not kidding. Plenty of blood. If you get an ass tat, like, first of all, I don't need to see it.

Just if you one day go, hey, bro, I got the whole ass done. Like, that's it. You're off the show, bro. We're done. We're done we're done yeah well what if i but what if i got one as part of a giant back piece that went also past my lower legs no no no no so you're just gonna be like you're just gonna be like yeah do you want me to lift my leg so i can spread the whole cheeks for you uh tattoo artist man like no luke come on this is all right luke not everybody loved it. Here's boxer Ishe Smith reacting to it.

I don't disagree, Luke. I miss my I miss his era, too. OK. I just think you're a little bit afraid of some man ass. And if the man ass is tattooed, I'm OK with it. All right. This week in food management, Luke, lots of people write in to say this is a BC move or at least the old BC before we had the black liver. Can we zoom in on this? Luke, this got a lot of play. First of all, I don't dress like that. I bet you Kevin Aioli has that shirt though, Luke. But what do you think

about putting the hot dog with the ketchup right on the damn counter? I mean, is it actually getting more diseased this way? I don't think so. No top on the cup, no straw, no nothing, but yet playing with a credit card. That's fantastic, Luke. I'd be more impressed if it was.

Do you use your phone for Apple Pay yet? I have before, but I don't regularly. Yeah, I've started to do that now. I feel like a real asshole, but it's just more convenient. I also don't put my hot dogs right on a 7-Eleven counter where there is COVID and AIDS, but you know. You'll also put your buns on a tattoo needle, so why not

put your buns right there and just eat them, Luke? Hey, that's not the grossest food management we've seen. Check out this hockey fan. Can we zoom in all the way, please? Luke? luke i got uh i got a coke zero here and i got uh three tacos with uh ground beef shredded cheese and a little bit of piss number six in your scorebook with the grossest piece of shit of all time wow yeah you deserve whatever you get on them fries. Yes. Okay. There's only one face I could give to that, Luke.

It's Belichick's kid. Can we show this? Yes. Thank you. I know. This guy looks like Miss Belichick definitely smoked in utero. I mean... Alright. Let's head out to the baseball diamond. Talk about missing the cutoff, man, and cutting the umpire.

Check this out. Oh, boy. Yeah. Take that for a while. Oh, damn. Yeah, wow. That's rough. That's rough.

Dude, get Mark Breland to throw the towel on this poor fool. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Luke, I do have to give you credit, though. You've said it to me once. You've said it to me a thousand times. Ain't no party like a Doha party. Check out these guys, Luke.

Yeah, this is not Doha. Just so that's clear. It's a little racist of you to think that, but okay. No, Luke, that's where you lived, bro. Dude, there's nothing about this that... Do you know anything? Do you think Doha is a series of tents and sand?'s where you lived, bro. Dude, there's nothing about this. Do you know anything? Do you think Doha is a series of tents and sand? Because if you do, you are deeply mistaken.

I'm not even sure if these people are Arabs, for that matter. This might be the Taliban, for all I can tell. Okay. Okay, Luke. I instantly regret putting it out there. This one should have made the cutting room floor. This one here. The only clip that ever did was that time they wouldn't let me show that circus performer die on Have You Seen This Shit, Luke, with the snake.

Yeah, I tend to not show, not to be in favor of showing animal and human murders, but maybe I'm thinking out loud. I don't know. All right. I'd consider attending that Doha party if they had good food, Luke. I'll tell you that. Hey, let's close on this, Luke. We can call this going on strike. I don't know how this happened, but this is your turkey of the week here.

Dude, how do you not get thrown out of the bowling alley shot putting it? Have you been thrown out of a bowling alley? I got close ones. I have not been thrown out. A buddy of mine did this, but in the reverse,

which was rather than just sort of overhanding it, he kept underhanding it. But he was underhanding it like literally he was playing softball with the neighborhood kids. So the bowling ball would go way into the air and then come crashing down onto the boards there. It didn't break any of them, but they were like, if you do it one more time, you're going to have to get out.

And so we stopped, but we were teenage kids, so what are you going to do? You just got athlete's foot instead. Yeah, all right, Luke. Apologies to all members of Cutter. Cutter, that's right. Don't be doing that shit again. Including your family yes yes uh okay bc time for oh you know what we can do odds and ends time for odds and ends what do you have for

odds and or ends uh look it was an all heavyweight pay-per-view card for rui ruiz good guy wilder fury three but they had some featured players on the undercard unfortunately uh our guy j-rock julian william Williams lost a split decision in his comeback bout. But, Luke, Edgar Berlanga, the knockout artist, who, of course, the top-ranked light heavyweight prospect, we lauded and remembered for going 16-0 with 16 first-round KOs before going to the distance in a win in his last bout.

Luke, he had a featured fight here. I forgot the fellow's name. I'm showing no respect to his opponent. Coceras from Argentina? Coceras, that's right. Coceras's eye got effed up, but he would not stop coming, Luke, with those right hands. Not only did Berlinga go the distance in winning another decision, but, Luke, he got dropped.

He got dropped pretty good on a flush right hand. So this turned out to be a rough night at the office berlinga you know big time power from new york puerto rican background friends with celebrities i love interviewing him i love the swagger but this was two fights in a row luke where he kind of took a step back and i know in this one he also injured his left arm and may have torn his biceps but no he did it's a face affirmed he tore his in the third round have torn his biceps. No, he did. It's affirmed. In the third round, he tore his biceps. That's a pretty bad injury. That is, that is.

But, you know, he took some shots late. And, Luke, I got to say, what he had going, that marketable run of 16-0, 16 first-round KOs, I mean, it put him on the map in a lot of ways. But you do have to wonder, you know, how much you tend to lose in not getting those rounds in the end. Once he got into a fight with somebody here who can take his shot and can also land back, these are now, like I mentioned, two fights in a row where he kind of took a step back. Not enough to panic.

He didn't crumble. He didn't get knocked out. But this certainly wasn't the showcase bout it could have been on regular TV ahead of this pay-per-view, Luke. Tough to see that. I hope he can bounce back. Yeah, he got the win. He obviously hits hard.

You could hear it when he was landing. It sounded harder than what Caceres would offer. But Caceres, dude, there was like several rounds. He was stealing on Berlanga, like landing flush. And you could tell Berlanga was like, I don't know where these punches are coming from. It was one of those moments where you're like, we've got to tap the brakes on this guy a little bit. So what are you going to do? For my odds or ends, I don't want people to lose sight of the fact

that BC and I, in two days, we're going to be in studio together. Why? Well, we have a lot of stuff we want to do. In part, we've got Bellator 268 this coming weekend. Nemkov versus Angliskis. Now, this was not the fight we had hoped it would be. We thought it was going to be Nemkov taking on Rumble Johnson. We know Rumble Johnson's going to be out for a while. We wish him a speedy recovery, whatever his issues may be. Angliskis is a guy who won on Contender Series. He's a big, strong kid. I don't think he's going to beat Nemkov, but who the hell knows? More to

that point, on the co-main event, Ryan Bader taking on Corey Anderson. The winner of these two go to the finals of the Light Heavyweight grand prix by the way the card will also feature it'll be in phoenix arizona benson henderson taking on brent premise henry corrales is on this card as well um there's some decent names here along the way and uh very very important fights davlet's on his back davlet's dan yagshimura dav against carl albrechtson yes from sweden so um again there's a bunch of good fights on this card it will be on a Saturday at the let's see the

Footprint Center in Phoenix Arizona and we are going to have some great coverage for you for it this week and I just want to put that on everyone's radar don't forget Bellator coming to Showtime on Saturday BC I also recording a resume review this week in Jersey we are also we are I won't tell the

people who it is but I'm saying we're doing it and we are doing it we also may be doing some other side stuff that people really like so hopefully Luke hopefully hopefully BC maybe you can set this up I'll say this now I haven't seen this video neither have you we got sent a video that's sort of a mk celebration which i'm told even mentions the 100k subs right yeah so once again thank you to all our new subscribers who got us over the top thank you all those day one ish people who loved luke loved us on the mma beat back in the day came along with us stayed the course 100k we made it baby use our promo code by the way if you always want to get some merch morningcombat.store

get your 20% off for the next 24 hours with of course thank you 100k but Luke a donk of sorts do we have the guys name before we throw to this video I don't maybe they can maybe they can tell us here in the chat feed from the producers we'll shout it out but maybe you can

just play the video and we'll say it Gillis the man's name is Gillis has apparently i haven't seen this sent in a tribute video to celebrate us getting to this milestone you got here with us folks let's all enjoy this together for the first time one two three four five six seven eight nine it's the m Commandments, what? Don'ts can't tell me nothing about this show. Don'ts can't tell me nothing about Luke, BC, my chocolate donks. Donks on the chat, get your donks. My simple meme donks.

Alright. Been watching MK for years. It made me an actual fight lunatic. I wrote some semi-factual tip-to-tip notes for new donks to get all the inside jokes. Like the review curse hosts. Rule nombre uno. Don't use no espanol. Let's look at every last one of them syllables.

There's possibly Colombians like three watching. So shut up if that accent sucks. Number 2, never let them know what stressed you. Less it's gas station food, kids are crying, or your liver's dying. Matter of fact, never mind. Tell your viewers every time just how shitty you're feeling and your reasons why. 3, never trust the UFC. Dana gon' make facts up. Won't jump, but acts tough.

But the rest of the scene's rough. See, 1FC sucks. And Bellator's all right, but' make facts up. Won't jump, but acts tough. But the rest of the scene's rough. See, 1FC sucks. And Bellator's alright, but they mostly washed up. Number 4, Luke, we never heard this before. Tell us all why you wanted Ariel to cry. Number 5, they wouldn't ship a hat, mug, vest, or cap. They didn't

care if you're in their hometown. It wasn't going down. 6, that BCBDE? We get it. Your art's coming out of faces, regardless if we let it. 7. Boxing is so underrated, and if MK never covered it, I would be devastated. Knuckles and blood is can't miss, like throwing sticks in a pool. Shit, I think that we'd be fools to exclude this. 8. BC, you'll have to wait on Luke. And after you wait your turn, he'll still interrupt you. 9. If you want some fun for free, watch Luke waxing poetic on Latina booty and room service diaries are worth

the listen the boys sitting and drinking debating and just riffing number ten a strong connection to the audience as much now as then despite the progression if they think I'm just slowing down say hell no cuz MK's only doing one thing and that's grow follow these dudes and you'll witness some great stuff if not pound sand keep watching the same stuff but MK's something special it's time you did a change up so stop watching all that lame stuff when Luke asked us to make stuff this is what I made up when BC said come on this is what came up I'm a P1 fan couldn't be

more grateful gotta go gotta wait on your notification. And stay up. Don King. Heavy hitter hot sauce. Congrats on 100K, guys. Thanks for everything. BC. 10 crack commandments to the 10 MK commandments, i gotta say that's pretty pretty good pretty

pretty good yeah that's that's some top shelf stuff i think he hit on a bunch of facts as well luke in that in breaking that down um thank you gillis jillies helis whole yeah giles gillis i'm not sure either but yeah yeah um wow what a real man that guy is, Luke. That was amazing. That's the kind of thing we've been trying to foster here is people who are P1s, who know what's up, who have strange abilities, but that's no different for me and Brian.

We're the exact same way. We just all love fights. One more time, thank you to everybody from Brian Daly at Showtime all the way down to the person who just clicked on sub there thanks to everyone who has helped get us to 100k we're not done it's kind of an arbitrary number but it was the first one that we really wanted to hit and you guys helped us do it and um we're just so grateful bc right we love you all thank you very much luke i would be remiss if

i didn't shout out matt snyder our great great producer. Him and I were not doing well personally lately. That's really just a matter of you being a dumbass, but yes. I mean, I did make a few distasteful jokes about his family, but, Luke, I really regret them in hindsight, okay? But our great staff, Gaff, Maneech, Sally, Al Wendling, Mikey Mormyle. I mean, we got some peeps, Luke. I mean, how about our guy with the flavor crystals uh uh nolan the sound guy i mean we got the best staff ever luke the power crystals you know what i'm talking about yeah we really do

we really do so i want to thank everyone who helped us get here big day don't forget the promo code to take advantage of it we're still giving back because you gave to us thank you 100k so thank you then the number is 100 then the letter k thank you 100k go to thank you. Then the number is 100. Then the letter K. Thank you. 100k. Go to morningcombat.store. 20% off everything right now. Hit it. We're going to keep it up there for 24 hours to thank you for helping us. BC. Quick shout out to Less Than Jake and Tim on the cams for a lot of our stuff. Also the documentaries. But Luke, we wouldn't be here today either without Pennington James, Jason Aaron, who I believe is playing a live show in New York City this week, his new original music. If you're playing in the subway and no one wants to hear it, are you doing an original show? I don't know.

I don't know. But thank you to everyone who's touched this thing and touched us in good, bad, or inappropriate ways. We appreciate that. And also, you want to leave us an Apple review? Whoever can come the best we're asking you to come on okay so if you can come and bring and make us laugh do what giles gillis just did um the best of the bunch gets a 50 gift card all right hit us up we got some goals in that area go to apple podcasts leave us that rating and review thank you folks

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We'll be back in studio on Wednesday. There's all of our social there. So for CBS Sports, for Malka, for Showtime, for everyone who helped us achieve a day that, again, they don't come easy. It took us over two years to do it, but here we are. We finally made it. It's on to bigger and better things. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Mil gracias.

We greatly appreciate it. For the King of Connecticut, Brian Campbell, I'm Luke Thomas. Until next time, may all of your gains be loyal.