MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Great Fight or Robbery? | Devin Haney vs. Vasiliy Lomachenko Instant Reaction

Episode Date: May 21, 2023

Brian Campbell has you covered with an instant reaction to Devin Haney vs. Vasiliy Lomachenko. How did Brian score the fight? How will Devin Haney look against Shakur Stevenson? BC breaks it all down. (00:00:00) - Intro (00:00:10) - Devin Haney vs. Vasiliy Lomachenko (00:34:00) - Chantelle Cameron vs. Katie Taylor Morning Kombat is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher and wherever else you listen to podcasts.     For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

oh yeah the undisputed lightweight boxing championship the summit we're talking about devin haney we're talking about vasily limachenko it has just gone down behind us in las vegas yeah we got a little bit of controversy but we also got an incredible fight high speed chess literally at its finest welcome into morning combat's instant analysis of tonight's haney lomachenko pay-per-view main event my name is brian campbell one half of course of your mk duo alongside luke thomas every monday wednesday and friday on youtube and uh we had to go instant reaction because we knew the stakes were huge in this fight. But I got to be honest with you. I still would have been okay if this was a boring technical chess match, right?

If this was, you know, a lot of people said ahead of time, well, well, Haney can talk a big game and push Loma at the presser. But ultimately this is going to be jab and hold. Even if it was that, I just want the best to fight, face the best. This fight is, is, you know, the top three of, of, of really the best fights you can make in the entire sport. It's the perfect showcase coming off of, of course, the Tank Davis, Ryan Garcia fight of what this lightweight slash 140 division can do and what it is and the star power and the fact that, you know, we may have between tanks, when Ryan Garcia star power and the two ability from these guys and the knowledge that Shakur Stevenson is waiting on deck next, we might really have our

own four princes or however you want to call them or categorize them. And of course that, that phrase is trademarked by Karen Mulvaney of the Showtime Boxing Podcast. But we may have something on our hands here. We really might. And I, and I get there's going to be a certain level of outrage down to the scoring tonight. Don't let that,

don't let that cloud or ruin what, what was a great fight because what made the four kings great we had four hall of famers all in and around the same weight class and they fought each other a total of nine times right can we get that in this era i don't know but i'll tell you what haney and lomachenko are going to see each other in the ring again you just have that feeling even if it's not next. And they probably deserve to be based on what was an incredible fight. But let's be fair, a very close fight with very close rounds.

Yes, you had big swings and momentum and ebbs and flows, everything you would want out of this type of fight you know when when a fight is so when you can meet in the middle ground where the skill and game planning and adjustments are so high but it's also at a fast pace and because of the stakes you also get people that are going for it that are fighting you know in in sequences and action style and educated you know non-reckless uh action style but still i mean that's the highest theater if you're a real boxing fan there's no, you know, non-reckless action style, but still, I mean, that's the highest theater. If you're a real boxing fan, there's no question. You know, what's my favorite example is I always say of high-speed chess. Of course it's Oscar de la Hoya, Shane Mosley won from the year 2000, but coach Phil McKagan and I were texting during this fight. He's like, you know, doesn't

this feel a little bit like Pacquiao Thurman? Yeah, it does. Another great pay-per-view classic that probably doesn't get the respect it deserves. And really, I think that fight could have gone either way. Ultimately, this fight, it could have gone either way. So let's break it down right here. You know I don't do spoiler alerts, right? Because why the hell would you tune into a post-fight analysis clip after a fight ends and think you deserve a warning?

But here's the deal. this went down over the 12 full rounds and with scores of 116 112 115 113 and 115 113 it's a unanimous decision for who yeah devin the dream haney 24 year old undefeated still your undisputed lightweight champion is that the scorecard your boy BC had no I had Devin Haney up four rounds to two at the midway point and really especially that sixth round in a fight that had so many adjustments and changes of momentum I thought that was really his high point of being more physical and going to the body but Loma made some big adjustments and you know the early part of the second half of the fight rounds what seven eight nine that area you know was a clear run it felt like for Lomachenko

I ultimately scored the entire final six rounds for Lomachenko but here's the deal so that makes my scorecard 116 112 eight rounds to four but there's a bunch of close rounds even after that run and maybe the only run in this fight where somebody indisputably run one rounds in my opinion and it was that stretch in the second half by Lomachenko outside of that you really could make a case in so many rounds the 12th round when when hate when you got to give David Devin Haney credit when a lot of us felt he was going back to that stool between rounds and maybe not getting the best advice from his dad, Bill or,

or, and not producing encouraging body language that would lead you to believe, you know, he would come out with a 12th round in which I thought he did a good job putting his foot on the gas. Could you score that for him? I think absolutely. I think there was two rounds before that where Haney kind of came on late

and had some moments. The whole point of here is out of these 12 rounds, I really feel like nine of them or, or let's say eight of them in that area could literally flip the coin. So I scored a 116-112 to Lomachenko. That old adage, Max Kellerman brought it up, the story of the fight. Yeah, the story of the fight was won by Lomachenko. He won the fight on my scorecard because of the constant adjustments in the second half, but most importantly, to be able to walk down the bigger, younger, stronger fighter who

was entering the midway point of that fight really on a nice stretch of momentum. Although to be fair in those rounds that I was scoring it, by the way, for Haney, having him up for two at the midway point, just constant mentions of people, you know, saying, oh my God, I've got it all for Loma. So, you know, I've got Loma four to nothing. How could you, you know, what fight are you watching? So the whole point here is these scores could really be all over the place, but for Loma to make those adjustments after it looked like the physicality from Haney might be too much and then start walking down the bigger man and acting like the bigger man you saw a full graduation here from Loma from a fight we don't talk about a lot and it's Vasily Lomachenko's second pro fight when he got a chance to fight for a world title and he took on Orlando Salido you know the Mexican Arturo Gatti right like the great

old rugged action warrior and you know that fight was in Texas with Lawrence Cole as referee who allowed Salido to go to the balls of Lomachenko just a ridiculous amount and what alone what did Salido do the old veteran of course we know the story he leaned on Lomachenko he was dirty kept hitting him to the body and even with all story. He leaned on Lomachenko. He was dirty. Kev hit him to the body. And even with all of that, I still think Lomachenko won that fight. I think he kind of got screwed on the cards and Cole's refereeing was just absurd.

But the story that came out of that fight wasn't was Lomachenko robbed. It was Lomachenko got taught a lesson by an old, more physical, more experienced fighter. Like, hey, Olympic darling, okay? Hey, the greatest amateur boxer maybe of all time, Vasily with the two gold medals. You know, this is the pro game and it's different here.

That's what Salido did to him. It's also what Lomachenko did tonight to Haney in a lot of ways, because as much as I thought Haney had the momentum at the midway point, I mean, no one's going to, you know, no matter how you had it scored, you had to have a good stretch of that score for Lomachenko. Maybe it's not as extreme as me going all six of the final ones. And again, two of those last three could have really, I was really just, I'm writing every round. I'm writing close at the end of the close round could go either way because ultimately this was a great fight and in great fights,

both fighters have big moments in the same round, executing their game plan or adjusting to their opponent's game plan. And as much as I've already said it, can we just pause one more time and call a timeout and just say this fight was fucking awesome. Like, this was a great fight. I don't think they got the score right, though. I think Lomachenko won this fight. I think ultimately you

you just happen to find three people and by the way these are very credible experienced judges you had uh you had dave moretti who's been around forever and doesn't get caught up in these type of things cheat them uh another las vegas guy and then i think it's david sutherland from oklahoma so these are solid guys they just happen at the end. This is what people that you put to people. A lot of times when you watch it, you put too much emotion into it, right? Like who won the story of this fight?

Of course it was Lomachenko. He was a Jedi master in the second half. He wore down Haney to levels where like, we were wondering if Haney was going to emotionally fall apart. Right. Not, not exhaustion, but sort of just like, man, this guy's picked up my timing. He's walking me down. One was walking him down as the smaller man. But it's a math equation.

It's 12 rounds and you're taught to judge each round as if it's its own fight, not carrying the momentum of the one before the expectations, based on the momentum of the one before, you expectations based on the momentum of the one before. You know, we know this. We talk about this all the time in this game. So this is not a robbery. I get that, like, you know, a lot of people even trusted boxing people are like, man, we almost had our no-hitter perfect game tonight in boxing,

and then, of course, we blew it at the end. They got the wrong guy, though. But it's really hard given how close this fight was contested, how great Haney looked in the first half in contrast to how Loma looked great in the second half. Um, it's hard to, to really,

I think there, there is that middle ground where it's, it's not a robbery. It's not corruption. It's not ineptitude. It's just, you just happened to find three people who saw it that direction in a fight that you could have gone either way. And, you know, they all had roughly the same view

there at that level. And you do always have to keep that wild. You have to keep that wild card out there, whether you're scoring from home or whether you're watching real close, like I get the chance to do covering fights. Um, you know, especially when the boxing media is like right up there in like the second or third row. So it's like, you know, you're scoring it almost like a judge. Although now there's really starting to push the media back to sell those tickets, do the old Eddie Hearn European thing. But when you score it in the arena,

you do see it differently from TV. Sometimes one side of the arena is different scores from who somebody on the other side, you know how that works and breaks down, you know, and the crowd can sway it. And, and it's just sort of like you can see who's walking the other guy down a lot more defiantly in person you can obviously see how much harder the punches land and and sometimes bother people in ways that you don't always pick up the right angle but

both sides can have blind spots but um yeah i don't think this decision is enough to cause the robbery band to come out and start banging that drum. I just don't. I just don't. I would love a rematch, though. And even though Haney tried to come out afterwards and, you know, do the the the very, you know, like I'm the man now. And by the way, you're the undisputed, undisputed champion. You just beat Loma. So, you know, there is some credence there, but just doing that thing, like, you know, I might move to 140. Yeah.

I'm going to guess it's a very hard cut because Haney's a huge lightweight. So I like that he hedged that at the end and ultimately said, you know, if it makes sense, you know, I'll fight at 135. And by the way, Bernardo was soon a VSspn perfect comeback question after haney said that you know ultimately who would you be willing to fight at 135 i forgot how he worded it but it was ultimately like okay you're basically saying you'd only come back down to 135 for huge money right okay so who who is that what does that represent you know and that's of course when he was able to drop shaker stevenson's name and gervervonta Davis so um I wish we would get

this is the rare type of fight where I think we do need an immediate rematch and it still could happen it still could be in play we have to see how this fight did on pay-per-view I don't think the fight did huge on pay-per-view you know what I mean like this is Haney's first dance it's more of a hardcore fans only fight although Although I'm, I'm glad we were able through morning combat to bring in more MMA fans. And especially, you know, they, you guys do,

I'll give you credit. You tend to listen when we're like, hold on, this one really matters. Or, you know, we did 40 minutes on it for better or worse. So however you like it to open Friday show,

maybe we did more. Maybe we did an hour. Cause it deserved an hour. All right. You watch it. It was great, but, um,

no, uh, no, not enough for me to to pan this and ruin my night okay seriously i had it eight rounds to four it ultimately goes eight rounds to four to the other guy on one card and seven rounds to five for haney and the other two so let's talk about this fight um the story of the fight the winner of it as i mentioned was loma because this he's 35 years old and he was the underdog for the first time in his career and there did seem to be moments in the middle section of this fight where it's like oh is he slowing down the body attack from haney that's the first major adjustment of the site was brilliant and he was able to hit land hard shots because you know in the first in the early rounds loma um i ended up giving haney

rounds one and two but ianey rounds one and two, but I felt rounds one and two, both of them could have been scored the other direction because just the same, Loma was doing a great job at using the darting footwork patterns or the erratic footwork patterns to get inside, to get on the opposite shoulder of Haney and then try to work offense just as they're about to clinch. So, you know, some of those complaints from Haney in the build-up um to the fight probably were strategic in that sense but Haney makes the adjustment and then Loma makes the adjustment on the back end and this is where when we do ask those questions yes we spent more

time asking the is Loma old question coming in and the answer you know demonstratively is is no you know I mean he can still get up for the big ones you know did he start late late against teofimo yes did he also get rocked in the 12th round against teofimo yes but in between he figured that out and he was demonstratively coming on he was doing that obviously in stretches here in the second half and that just shows like that's what legends do right you know maybe the jermaine ortiz fight is better explained by a combination of things you know the former sparring partner the fact that ortiz is better than people realized when that name was announced and maybe

loma going off to ukraine and serving on the front line and taking you know a long time 10 months out from the ring and then coming right back maybe maybe that maybe that's some of it too, or maybe he, I mean, we've seen it time and again, maybe you just don't get up the exact same amount. Obviously Loma had to get up for this one because Haney's a huge lightweight who could hurt him and also has ridiculous skill across the board. Like, like say this, whether you thought Haney won or not, how great was Devin Haney's defense in the first half of this fight?

And I get obviously that he kind of fell apart in the second half, but it's a math equation at the end of the day. How many did people score? You know, it seems like all three of these judges scored a lot in the first half of the fight for Haney and probably gave him more of the closest rounds in the second half. And then a lot of us realize you also,

to some degree do have to take into account the announcing. I do feel like the ESPN Plus pay-per-view broadcast was more pro-Loma and did tend to showcase his accomplishments more, not in an egregious way, not in a way where I would cook up a tweet because just as that was happening, then suddenly Haney would come back with something and Tim Bradley would be right on it. But in general, they were tooting the horn of Loma's side of it a little bit more, but also he's a 35 year old legend who was not the betting favorite against a guy who can do everything.

So it just kind of lined up that way and makes sense. But you know, Loma's a great one because you know, he had to get next level ready for this one because of that threat and danger. But to always have an answer, I mean, in general, they both ultimately always had an answer for each other. Three judges ringside thought he won, but they Loma in particular. I mean, he had the longest stretch of sustained, not dominance, but there was really no one sided rounds here. There was a couple of close, but those are Lomachenko rounds though, right?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like he, when he won, he seemed to have won those rounds by a lot more. And that can cloud, that can get emotional. If you're focusing too much on the story of the fight and not the math equation. That's why I think Thurman Pacquiao is the right comparison. And I think it's about time the boxing world takes me off the hook for scoring that fight. Like well-respected Connecticut judge,

Glenn Feldman did, who was also ringside where I was. And we both had at one 15, one 13 for Thurman. And it doesn't mean we felt that Thurman won the fight. If you were just watching it and said, who had the better fight back, you had the better fight,

but it's a math equation. And there were very close rounds in that fight. The ones that pacquiao won he won wide thermonique out the close ones did he he got enough to win seven five well you know there were people that thought that i think this fight is a lot more like that because of that scoring and the fact that we're not going to do the robbery thing that we love to do so that we can piss all shit all over boxing all again right spray all over is the worst it's or see they always break my heart man i almost sounded like ariel right there with that little like little bobby brady like turn of voice there but

shout out to ariel out there in dublin um yeah no um but what really t what really teases the emotional side of watching it without scoring it intently. And then, you know, you're like, man, I definitely saw Loma win. Didn't I? Well, yeah, he won the story of the fight, but also Haney was falling apart in that stretch leading up to the 12th. That happened. That is true. And this is where you, those questions coming in while we focused more on Loma's age, as I said,

and I never finished my point. We also had a legitimate question about haney at 24 yes he'd be linares jojo diaz like these are great you know these are very good wins very good wins and in most of those except for like the last round and a half against linares he like kind of dominated but this is pay-per-view right this is main event las vegas and you're in there with loma and and i'm glad that ultimately that you know this wasn't the night that loma got old because we got to see the the good and bad of both of these guys not really the bad but in in haney's case he had a couple rounds there where he was leaning toward the bad and i don't think he gassed out and i don't think he ultimately fell apart, but he was teetering a bit and his offense went down.

And that's that stretch where, where Loma really had some big rounds in succession there in that second half. I'm trying to look back at my notes to really knock that down and nail it. Yeah. Round 10 was a bit, so round round nine and 10 are ultimately those two that I'm talking to really 11,

nine, 10 and 11. One of those was close, but Loma had obviously big moments. But two of those three of 9, 10, and 11 were particularly wide in favor of Lomachenko. It plays with the emotional thing when you're kind of watching Haney fall apart. And, you know, Bill Haney, I think, is his dad who's his trainer, father, manager, you know, how he's guided his career certainly deserves so much credit. I mean, you know, Bill Haney is very smart guy, but I just don't think he had the best night in the corner this time, you know, telling Devin, he was up. I think it was after the 11th.

You know, it turns out he was so is Bill Haney lying, but you know what I mean? Or is that what Bill Haney thought was the right motivation at the right time? I mean, it turned out to be right. Again, maybe some of that is the ESPN broadcast, making us over nostalgic for the, you know, the old Loma is back thing could have gone either way. It really could have, but Haney did, Haney was teetering at the end of the day. Um,

crowd booed the decision. You'd ultimately understand that I'll get to the Shakur Stevenson thing there to close as he had some interesting comments as well. Uh, or just say that part now, Shakur Stevenson gets on the mic after the two, but both fighters left. And, uh,

yeah, he talks about wanting to fight both, but he's also like, oh yeah, that facility won that fight he might have he might have but i think that's why i want to see it again because it does matter so much i mean i don't believe there was a rematch clause and i do believe if you're haney you're thinking i want to survive in advance here why why am i gonna go fight him

again look how close it was look how hard this fight was um but you know there's a lot of money if they could do a tank fight which is not not likely to happen for a bunch of reasons um and spoiler alert I'll just say it now it's a great fight tonight I still think Shakur beats both guys like that that's and that's wild this is a great fight tonight it was great and i did think overall loma was better for sure um and haney kind of fell apart but let's again give him credit for that 12th round when he did put it back together but shakur i think is even more brilliant than we saw. But what did we see here ultimately? The great performances we talked about from Loma. Loma, was he salty in defeat? A little bit.

There was a little bit of the, you know, my God is better than yours back-and-back play, which, you know, is a throwback to Holyfield and Tyson and the, you know, fine, whatever. I mean, I'm down for shouting out God. I'm not, you know, usually into like publicly throwing my God against yours and doing that, uh, joust. But, um, the Loma comment at the end though, it was interesting. Um, when he ultimately said, Haney is a good fighter, but he is not a pound for pound fighter. If you believe Haney made the

Loma made the adjustments in the second half, like I do, I get that. That's interesting. The punch stats at the end of the day, by the way, had the advantage in punches landed to Loma 124 to 110. Obviously that can fuel your argument. Sure. But you have to take that with a grain of salt considering that, you know, like, look, if there's no 10, eight rounds,

then sometimes it's all romanticized. Sometimes it all well i watched that guy he had the better fight right yeah but what about the math exam i'm not saying 10 to 9 12 round scoring is the best way i'm not saying boxing is you know on the up and up all the time too or has the most educated you know people in the right spots um there's a lot going on in boxing but uh that that looks like what that fight was a very close fight i think if you're looking for something in the stats to bring haney's argument back in that he won how about he landed 41 of his power shots and he wasn't able to make his jab work consistently there were some good stretches where haney looked very good with the jab but he wasn't able to make that a weapon and, and really take firm command of the distance. And, you know, when, when Lomachenko started to adjust to that early,

well, first Lomachenko was darting in early, like I mentioned with some of those footwork patterns, but then he started punching his way in and that, you know, that was the change. I mean, again, the visual of seeing the smaller man walking down the bigger man, that's why it's easy to get romanticized on well that guy should have won but there were no 10-8 rounds at the end of the day and Haney did have that better connect or better uh yeah overall percentage on power punches and he did seem to land I don't know it did seem like ultimately I think in those two dominant rounds I mentioned Lomachenko probably landed the biggest and best punches of this fight, to be fair. But Haney did some very good work, those lead uppercuts, the body work, just some high-level shit.

I thought Harvey Dock did a good job as referee, and he's always a little bit more of the safer kind. week's uh roly romero reffing debacle was uh was in the ufc cage and uh and judging the same fight that adelaide bird was also so that was just like you know and by the way and steve mazzagati was the official timekeeper for the haney lomachenko fight so there you go the combat sports just swapping wives um almost literally because adelaide bird's married to hall of famer robert but i don't know if they're swappers or swingers. That's not something I'm into, if you're wondering right there. I did think I had a point, though, of where I was going. Oh, Doc had a good night.

He's conservative. But he issued the right warnings, I thought. And there was some stretch where Haney was toeing the lines. And I'm not against that necessarily. Like everybody got mad when Haney shoved Lomachenko at Friday's weight. I liked it. People either got mad because it was disrespectful. Yeah, it was disrespectful yeah it was disrespectful by the way or they felt that that's like ronda rousey going off on holly holm at that way in an australian we should have

saw that as like rousey's not fully focused she's kind of scared blah blah i didn't think that for haney i thought you know devin haney did a great job in this promotion of trying to be like okay like yeah loma you're the legend but dude i'm the champion like these are all my belts here like i'm not i'm not fucking bowing down to you or taking a step backwards at all now ultimately loma made him take step backwards in the ring and that's probably why you scored it that way but still um i like the way that devin haney handled that and i liked that times when he was kind of toeing the lines with the rules and making the referee do his job and harvey doc ultimately i thought police did well but also didn't throw anything in there that you know of toeing the lines with the rules and making the referee do his job. And Harvey Dock, ultimately, I thought, policed it well,

but also didn't throw anything in there that, you know, a point deduction unnecessarily, let's say, that could have really changed this. Because some referees will, you know, oh, God, Vic Draculich. Remember that guy? I mean, some referees will just out of nowhere just, yeah, yeah, you lost the point. And you're like, whoa, bro, that is a quick trigger.

But, you know, they all have different strike zones at the end of the day. Haney better early, of course. You know, once Loma started to counter Haney's jab, he took it away, though. And, I mean, how great, how great is Loma, really? Because this is a night where Haney's defense was on point, as I mean, how great, how great is Loma really? Because this is a night where Haney's defense was on point. As I mentioned, particularly in the first half of the fight and Loma's adjustment ultimately is to walk down the bigger puncher and act like the bigger man. I mean, that's what legends do.

That's what the great ones do. He's already doing things like at the like in a weight class over his head, like two weight divisions probably over his head against the biggest possible lightweight who also has the power to hurt you, but on top of that has great defense. And Haney figured that out and got inside. Yeah, I'm sorry, Loma did.

Yeah, Loma won this fight. I think they got the wrong guy. Not a robbery, though. Not a robbery. All right. Big comeback round, though. Not a robbery. All right. Big comeback round, though, in round seven for Lomachenko. That's when he started to get inside. And, you know, he started acting like the big man.

He's suddenly pushing and leaning. And his work on the break, ultimately, like Haney had a right to try to make that a mental game or to try to plant a seed in the referee's head because that's when Loma does great work. And it's not by doing necessarily dirty of holding with one arm and hitting with the other, although it gets close to that at times, a lot of times he'll hit, he'll throw punches just as it looks like both fighters are going to embrace. So it's almost like just as the opposite fighter kind of lets his guard down a little bit and actually opens the guard a little bit. And, you know, that's also teeing the line,

but I think a lot of times he'll lean on kind of getting the punches off quicker than you'd think. And he can surprise you, but him figuring out the timing of Haney in that second half was a monster part of what he was able to do. And of course he's setting traps. And then suddenly, you know, Haney's not able to get off his power shots. And then, you know, I really think Haney kind of went into a cocoon there for a couple of rounds in terms of letting his punches go until that 12 turnaround.

So did Haney pass the test? Yeah. There was a math way. You could have scored it for him, but you do have a little bit of that whole home feeling afterwards, because if they don't do this rematch, or if these two don't meet again before Loma walks away, but you know, also that happens sometimes it's like, if they don't do a rematch because Haney's going to fight Shakur next,

you know, I'm not looking to get in the way of that. And, but you know, it'd be different if he's got to do, cause he's got four belts. It could come into play with the alphabets where, Oh, you gotta, you gotta mandatory defense against this guy no one's heard of, or this guy no one's ever heard of. Maybe Haney already issuing the threat that he's weight-wise willing to move away shows that maybe the belts won't keep him there. And I like that. If there's a big name at 35, take it. But if not, let's not do that song and dance. You are the undisputed champion?

And, uh, sometimes the sanctioning bodies don't make it easy to be because they want you to fight the guy that no one's ever heard of in 30 days or you lose your title. Um, yeah, there you go with that.

Um, so I'm not going to get in the way of that. Damn. I would love obviously for Lomachenko to fight your next. I mean, that would be great. I actually think that fight would have a better chance of being made than the haney one for a few different reasons subtle reasons but i think you could make that uh you know loma chanko is a sneaky pay-per-view brand in a sense i don't

think as a leader no but you know as the a-side no but as the credibility and the legend side when you mix with somebody who does like a gervonta i think that's what could do very well actually you're not ryan garcia numbers but i think it could do very well but i don't think we would see that next i do want to see this another time i do i want to see if haney can grow from this performance event but never fully broke but the bend was it did it suggest negative things i say no because he's in there against loma and he was brilliant at times and there's got to be you know room for this you know i thought this was a handy loss at the end of this fight but i wasn't disappointed in him per se, because you've got to go for it. And he was at a point in his career earlier than most at 24 for sure.

But he has maturity. That's way, way, you know, in another category than most of his age and a focus and all of that. You may, you know, you may lose, you may go in there, you know, it's like Leonard Duran, right? Like one, like you may go in there and lose. You may go in there. It's like Leonard Duran, right? Like, one. You may go in there and lose. But how do you come back? I mean, can we talk about how big of a comeback win this is for Lomo based on the Teofimo fight?

Where, yeah, he was brilliant in rounds 7 through 11, or 8 through 11, but why the hell did you start so late and the comments afterwards from Loma were almost conspiratorial as to why he lost it was a little bit off right for his character we talked leading into this fight how he feels he's a much more humble man from that point from that loss and from not focusing so much on you know his his aura and his record and his resume but he fought tonight like like one of the all-time greats and i say that where glory is the only thing that matters and glory will get you effed up and not able to you know speak without slurring later in your you know in your middle age years for sure

but alum was about that life and that's why in some ways it's like okay if you didn't get the win i'm not you know based on what i saw with my eyes i'm not going to be picketing on the streets do you think though he deserves a rematch i really do um but if we get haney versus Shakur Stevenson next That's probably the I mean, Shakur versus Loma might be the best chess match we can make In terms of just that, right? But let's give Haney credit for the chess he played tonight Haney versus Shakur is a very interesting fight

Can Haney be broken? I think he'll improve from this. I'd like to see him... I don't know. I want to say... It's like a knee-jerk criticism sometimes for Haney is you want to be more offensive. This is why I don't want to balk so much

if you scored it for him. Because he was way more offensive than he normally is. He, I mean, he, he evolved in the first half of this fight. He, he went up to a new level against, you know, one of the greatest when the hardest guys they hit, right. Statistically all that, but there, there's some things inside. He's probably going to have to, you know, walk out and talk about and clean up and sweep up. And, and,

and I think he'll grow from that up. And, and, and I think he'll grow from that though. I ultimately think he will. I mean, 41%, you land 41% of your power shots against Loma and you know, he only outland you by 14. I mean, that's, that's, that's saying something right there. He went 12 rounds with the great one. Um, who's still great and deserves, deserves even with this loss, a pound-for-pound ranking once again. It's weird. This loss might be the best win of Loma's career. I mean, it really might, right?

It really might. I know that the Guillermo Rigondel fight meant more to Loma and maybe to, like, you know, boxing classics, historians, narrative makers about the – did that pro fight crown who was the greatest amateur fighter of all time because they were both two-time olympic gold medalists no no no that fight came like way too late at two weight classes higher than it should have been at so no we didn't you know but some people say oh that you know that was no this is loma's biggest fight tonight and he still got it didn't get the win though did not get the win uh quickly katie taylor got upset in dublin in her first uh appearance in her native land obviously you know the setup she's the undisputed lightweight champion but she moved up to 140 because the rematch with amanda serrano fell apart

and instead took on chantelle cameron who's also undefeated and also the undisputed champion. And it ultimately goes down as, I think it was a split decision or majority decision. I believe it was majority decision. One, one card was even, and then two cards for Chantel Cameron. Katie Taylor had big moments, but that fight looked a lot wider. And, you know, Katie Taylor's heart was on full display and like always. And, you know, she kept trying to figure out ways, but she also seemed off.

And I think you have to ask yourself in, you know, is this her getting old or was this just a bridge too far i didn't think this i was dead wrong way dead wrong in my prediction here on okay bet for this because i i didn't think ultimately that the size would matter that much because i i do believe she's more skilled than cameron but cameron also looked better in this fight than i've seen her in terms of not wasting the right hand, like making it matter. She has a great jab and she throws a lot of punches, but I think her power really bothered Katie. Either this was an off night for Katie Taylor,

and I don't think it ultimately was. I do question about the age part of it, how much that's slowing her down to a certain degree, but we know the shape she comes in and she was able to rally to some level, but the of chantelle cameron and coach phil mckagan my guy was texting me before i even started watching it saying man this looks like you know canelo against b-ball in some ways and he might be right but i really feel like this fight and i know we say that after every big women's fight during this recent renaissance turnaround era for women to finally get the close-up right is the way it's set up with the 10 rounds in the two-minute rounds i mean it just sucks it really sucks it really it really it really sucks and you know both of these fighters kind of fight they don't fight a

berserker style like delphine pursuant necessarily where you just square up and run head on to traffic, but they're aggressive and they've experienced champions in the two minute round system and know that you've got to be aggressive, but they're also not reckless. So I thought ultimately the, the advantage in technique would, would allow Katie Taylor to have to win a hard fought one, but,

but when it clean and clear, but credit to Chantel Cameron, who just, I mean, right off the start, she jumped on her, which I thought was interesting. You know, I thought that was the right strategy and really got off with punches, but to land that one too, I wonder if she hurt Katie Taylor earlier than we realized and being hurt and having to constantly kind of come from behind in that fight and try to, you know,

regain her senses and then try to find a path to rally. It slowed down Katie and made it look like she was either a little bit old or a little bit rusty on this night or, or what have you. I thought just the cheers of Ireland and it was a great, it seemed like a great atmosphere through the television screen for sure in Dublin there and Conor McGregor going nuts ringside, but she was never able to get out of first gear. Really? You know what I mean?

Like, like flurry, she had flurries, she had some big flurries and you could have argued how did I score? I think I scored seven to three for Cameron and the judges had to wake, you know, really close. I just don't see that because Taylor had moments. Cameron had rounds though like she had stretches and rounds she had minutes right where she was controlling and katie's head movement was just not there and sometimes it's just not there anyway because she's so offensive

and so dynamic and but she was just willing to early on, to sort of stand in there and trade. And she got overwhelmed, you know, just by a bigger fighter and a bigger puncher. And it was an interesting theater. What I don't love necessarily in that one is that there is an immediate rematch clause. And, you know, Katie Taylor's jumping all over it. Now she's doing that because she's a true champion right that's why con that's why canelo wants to fight uh b-ball it seems way more than he wants to fight benavidez right now even though we're all sort of like okay we saw the b-ball thing already was cool but dude i don't really think you're gonna win that um you know could katie

taylor yeah i think i think katie taylor is going to do better in this if i guess they are doing this rematch this fall it's It's contractually obligated. I just felt like there wasn't even a conversation about the consideration. I mean, you do have that Serrano fight to build toward. That was supposed to be this fight. You know? I mean, it's interesting. Interesting choice.

But they negotiated it in. Chantel Cameron agreed with it. So that's where we're at. But, you know, Katie's got to be she's got to come into it not looking like she out. She outdogged Serrano at some points in the second half of that fight after getting hurt in the midway. But I still felt like Serrano edged her out. But but if you scored it for katie i get i guess why i get why you know and and certainly she had to match delphine pursuant in both fights her sort of berserker style which just forces you into a brawl by brawling with her but being a more technical brawler i wonder if katie's got a box in this rematch with cameron but again this is where the 10 rounds and two minute rounds set up. It just sucks. It just sucks. You know, just as soon as it gets good. I mean, it sucks for punchers because nobody's got gaudy knockout numbers for the most part, because, you know, you can get somebody hurt, but sometimes you need that extra minute to finish them. And, you know,

10 rounds. I mean, yeah, I don't like it. I really don't like it. All right. That's it though. I don't know how many more times I can just sit in front of this camera and tell you, um, I think Loma won, but Haney gets the win, but what a damn great fight. What a division. Please don't, don't let this sour you. I mean, if, if you only watch boxing every so often and you just happened to watch two weeks in a row and it was the rolling situation and this, yeah, I get, I get, you could be a little bit jaded. I get that. Well, you know, maybe you got to make the decision right now. You enter you out. Okay. Cause if you're in, then, you know, we got some weird family members in this family and they've got criminal records and we're not supposed to talk about it. Okay. No, um, we got, well,

we have that too in boxing, but no, um, this wasn't a black guy. This was a great night. It's a great fight. I mean, that's a great ass fight. I, you know, I mentioned those two comparisons of Pacquiao Thurman and Mosley De La Hoya one. It just felt like that. Maybe the Carl Frampton, Leo Santa Cruz fights that people don't talk about anymore. Those two fights that were just awesome.

Um, this felt like a lot like that. in Leo Santa Cruz fights that people don't talk about anymore. Those two fights that were just awesome. This felt like a lot like that. I want to say that two fight series with Carl Frotch and Mikkel Kessler too, but that actually had more action than this, considerably more. That's great two fight series if you haven't seen that. But it looks like you have seen this fight and I hope you enjoyed it. Hope you enjoyed this post-fight wrap-up show. Shout out to Mikey Morma on the other side. If he's still awake, this guy always up working on MK.

We'll be back Monday. You're going to get Luke Thomas' breakdown along with mine as we look at this fight and look forward and future about what could be next for both. And we'll hear how LT scored it. I'm interested. I haven't seen his Twitter account. But we'll have more on this and the UFC weekend.

Hey, how about Mackenzie Dern, right? Right? Somebody said something like that. I'm shocked she didn't get that finish. Anyway, you'll hear that on Monday. I got it. I got it at some point. Turn this camera off.

So for, yeah, whatever. I mean, you know, it's like, I mean, you want, you know, just it's, yeah, it's probably, I mean, you just, it's probably a little.