MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - 🚨 Instant Reaction: Floyd Mayweather vs. Logan Paul

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

The boys react live from Hard Rock Stadium to the Floyd Mayweather vs. Logan Paul SHOWTIME PPV results. 'Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit: store.sho.com   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat  To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Reveille, Reveille, dogs. Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life. This is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell. This is Morning Combat. Live from the Hard Rock Stadium, this is the Mayweather versus Paul post-fight show.

Hello, everyone. My name is Luke Thomas. I am joined by my CBS Sports colleague, Brian Campbell. We are here in the cafeteria of the Hard Rock. Food court is the professional way to address this. Food court. Mayweather Paul has just ended. All right?

So we appreciate you guys joining us. We're going to get to all the results that just happened. Obviously, if you don't want spoilers, now you've got to bounce, but I'm sure you're here to actually not get spoilers. Nobody's watching this if they haven't seen it, okay? I always have to get it. People are sensitive out there. What the hell are we doing here? Let's get into it.

Tons of results, tons of analysis. First things first, if you're watching, please give the video a thumbs up. If you are new here, welcome. Please subscribe. We do a show three times a week, live at 11 a.m. in the East on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday, but tons of other stuff. And in fact, we've been here all week, BC, getting you ready in Versace robes, having a lot of fun. But let's talk about that Mayweather and Paul main event. So there was no winner. We knew that going in, there were no judges. That was not allowed. It went the full distance. And in fact, BC, I think you could

pretty well argue that two things. One, Paul probably exceeded most people's expectations. I'll raise my hand. Not to say that I think he's got a future in boxing. I don't. He's 26. And that's just the train left. But maybe he could keep doing this. That's the first one. The second one was, look look man, this was supposed to be, you heard Floyd say it all week, gotta be a lot of fun. We're gonna have fun. We're just having fun. It's all about fun and entertainment. Did you have fun?

No, it was a spectacle of a week. It was a unique event. You could not really compare it to anything else, and I'd be the one telling you, you know, it's got that unpredictable pro wrestling feel in terms of the promotion and the way the rivalries are setting up, and we had the gotcha hat moment, and then the fun unfortunately ended when they touched gloves and got in the ring, and that's the unfortunate here. Over eight full rounds, what are your CompuBox stats? 71 combined punches in the end. All this was missing

was the fun and entertainment that in a lot of ways was promised when you match up. When you do a carnival, almost freak show fun fight like this, you wanted to see what the difference in size would turn out. Floyd, by far the better boxer in here, but I didn't see outside of maybe shifts in the middle rounds where it looked like he was going for the finish, rounds four or five, I didn't see down the stretch that same energy, that same attitude. And it's because, of course, Logan Paul overachieved. He wasn't a slob or a mess out there.

He wasn't a pro fighter. But the thing about this era of Floyd's career, this is his entertainment era. This is his, I'm not going to do it serious anymore, but I can still talk up a good fight and bring the people in the building and get you excited. That lack of a boom when the difference between them was so large, it's hard to just look past that right now. Yeah, I'm trying to wrap my head around everything we saw. and get you excited, that lack of a boom when the difference between them was so large,

it's hard to just look past that right now. Yeah, I'm trying to wrap my head around everything we saw. So let's talk, excuse me, we'll start with why did Logan overachieve? Here are some of the reasons that I can pinpoint, BC. First, he did a good job legitimately of underhooking, overhooking, tying up Floyd as best he could. He got framed a little bit away a lot and kind of got hit, but I thought that he was able to, we even talked about it,

again, not doing the three stooges bit, but leaning on him, wrapping him up, tying him. He was responsible in those areas that if he wasn't, he would have been out of there in two rounds. That's right. You know, the transitions, the basic defense. He also, though, Luke, let's be really honest, stopped being offensive and going for the win fairly early in this fight. And what you had down the stretch

were two counterpunchers daring the other one to go first and dance. Fair enough. But I did think later on Floyd walked him down, which he did in the Conor bout as well. But let's sort of stick to this one. I thought he did that. I thought he had a ridiculously good chin. Floyd's never been exactly a power puncher, but still, he was getting hit clean and taking all of it. He doesn't look particularly marked up. I was surprised Floyd didn't do a whole lot more body work. That was kind of interesting, but between, I think,

the tying up, the good chin that he had, the jab, I guess, for Logan was okay, but I guess I would just say he found ways, both with his, I think, physical preparation because it does enable you to take some of the shots better and also some of the in-between

spaces you had talked about. It allowed him to preserve that fight and kind of wrestle with Floyd down the stretch so that he could survive. True, true. And look, there's no official winner. If you ask me, I was scoring unofficially. I had seven rounds to one for Mayweather. Everyone had about the same. The real winner in this is Logan Paul. I had seven rounds to one for Mayweather. Everyone had about the same. The real winner in this

is Logan Paul. I mean, he did what he shouldn't have been able to do, come in there and survive. Now, you just laid out maybe some of the reasons why. I know that one of the big reasons is he was a lot bigger, so there was that threat. And he had enough stamina, even though in the middle rounds it didn't look like he was going to get there, to again, not

lose because of an unforced error. He was never in a position to win it, not lose because of an unforced error. He was never in a position to win it, but he covered his bases enough, Luke, where he's the winner. But is that enough? When you're kind of promised fireworks, the fireworks never happen. No, I think definite moral winner, the ability to survive that way. It's an exhibition, and it's weird, and Floyd's been

retired for some time. This is just sort of, as he pointed out, the gravy portion of his career. Like, yeah, man, if you could go eight rounds, I mean, most people on the street wouldn't last, you know, 30 seconds with him if it was sort of a real encounter, but so far, I think that kind of longevity,

you know, it's pretty respectable, but like, a couple things here. It's like, did you walk away feeling like Logan Paul's a great boxer? I certainly did not. I walked away knowing that he was a prepared athlete as best he could be given the circumstances and had showed some ability to hold his head up high. But, like, is he a great boxer? No, of course he's not. No, and one thing we said, and I just want to quickly, one thing we said pre-fight,

Jake is the guy who's telling you outright I want to be respected as the real fighter. Logan was more about, I'm just happy to be here that I fooled you guys that I did what he called the ultimate finesse job just to get in this fight. So if that's the barometer we're looking at, when getting the fight, when not getting knocked out in the fight, even though there were moments where he was getting hit to the body, he seemed hurt in round 5. You know, he only really went offensively on a splurge to close round one. To Floyd's credits, but the crowd cheering, he was able to block and avoid all of that.

So it's like, okay, it's a brilliant technical and risk management performance by Floyd. But I want to ask you what his responsibility is at 44 in the entertainment era of his career. Yeah. Straight up. With all he has to protect, all the bragging rights. What were the bragging rights?

Reputation. Like, respect. If Floyd had lost or been hurt in any situation. It's an all-time meme, right? So there were certain things at stake. But he talks about a bank robbery, a televised bank robbery, right? That this fight was. It's almost like they put the money on the street for him and said, you know, pick it up on your way by. He didn't have

to go in there and get it, you know. Overachieving for a bigger guy, yes, but what's the responsibility of Floyd in this spot? A couple things got to be said. Like, did I think that that was a fun main event? No, I thought that was not. I mean, I didn't think it was a disaster. I just thought it was ultimately, in the end, kind of a boring boxing fight. Not the worst, you know. Not some terrible. The event itself was sideshow. But, you know, there wasn't some kind of train wreck in the main event.

There wasn't, you know, a thousand people in the ring. There wasn't somebody parachuting into it, you know, like the Gulotta fight. Okay, but answer my question, though. Okay. You've got to answer the question. I'm answering. I'm answering. So I didn't think it was all that entertaining.

The best fight's going to be right here, Luke, if you don't get to the point, alright? Okay, about Floyd. Like, I interviewed several boxers after his Conor fight, and understand something. Like, the Conor fight was an active pro fight, but it was supposed to be kind of after Floyd's career. He won that convincingly in very entertaining

fashion. If you've never seen, our audience has probably seen it if you're used to it, but if you're new here, if you've never seen the Tension Nascar it, if you're used to it, but if you're new to here, if you've never seen the Tenshin and Asuka fight, dude, Floyd just absolutely demolished him. Boxers I talked to at that time said they could really notice a difference between how he looked, you know, even in the Berto fight, and then, like, the aging was happening pretty quickly.

I guess all this is to say, like, Floyd, I thought, did a lot of standing around. His punching power, obviously, was going against a guy who was 190 pounds. It didn't translate. Look, I got a question for you of standing around. His punching power, obviously, was going against a guy who was 190 pounds. It didn't translate. Look, I got a question for you. It's one I just asked you. What is his responsibility in this fight to do?

I thought he could have put a little more effort into it, to be honest with you. Like, I'm not saying he wasn't doing a lot or trying hard. But, you know, here's the point. And there's a famous sort of Twitter personality in MMA called Gribaka Hitman. And he was right. Like, dude, the point of this whole thing is you want it to be a little bit weird, a little bit different, but Floyd's got to go in there and kind of deliver.

He delivered against Conor. He delivered against Tenshin Naskawa. And he delivered in the middle rounds here. Three and four, maybe. Five and six, even, but down the stretch of this, and it's because, again, Logan's cardio didn't fall apart the same way it did for Conor. Conor's cardio fell apart under pressure.

Logan had the size to at least, again, not be overwhelmed. But I think that's the key question we circle back to. And maybe you can tell me this last time you can say that, BC. But what the hell is Floyd's responsibility in here to be the A-side, to take all this money and come off with a safer, less active performance than some of his biggest mop-ups in his active days. Dude, this is simple. If you are going to engineer the matchmaking,

where it's not a pro contest, it's an exhibition against somebody who is supposed to be wildly overmatched, you are doing that because you feel like changing the equation in such a way allows you to pour on the offense to make it entertaining. That's really what, that's the trade-off you're making. It's not a traditional fight, but because it's not traditional, you can get a much clearer sense of engineering the outcome. It's still real, but you set yourself up for success. You have to deliver in one way or the other on that promise. You're asking what

his responsibility is. By hook or by crook, you have to reach that threshold. I don't think that he did that here. And I'm being extra critical on him because of this, because we were not promised competition in this fight necessarily, right? That was the hope. The hope was that Logan Paul could land something early, that he could give Floyd something that's hard to overcome,

maybe through leaning on him, using that bigger size. Some things that look, while he did great responsibly, defensively, and surviving, meaning Logan Paul, there was never that transition into offense okay so there was never a ton of danger on floyd outside of the threat of a counterpart that's true so in that regard when floyd when all you're promised is entertainment we didn't get that entertainment i thought it was a little bit you can tell me look and this is what i said off the top about pro wrestling if it was pro

wrestling you could script it this is a real fight fight when they touch gloves, and we all knew it would be. And you can't script it. But did either of the competitors lose what could have been a potential of turning forward to more business by, I don't know, maybe not walking to the ring with the gotcha hat on, doing something, Luke, that would make us come out of here going, okay, if I was, you know, maybe what we thought it would be, but I've got to see this guy versus this guy next. Can someone credibly make the argument

that given the circumstances, given the circumstances, could you have asked for more from Logan Paul? I don't think you can. I really don't know what that would be. You can be extra critical and say, if your only chance is to get... I've been a complete asshole to both of the Paul brothers.

I've dismissed them at every turn. I'll give him his due today, dude. I will give him his due today. Could you really say he could have done more? I don't think that you can. So, then where else are you supposed to look at that point? Well, if you're going to be super critical of Logan, and I'm not sure if it's fully fair. I mean, to a certain degree, yes. If his best chance or only chance

was to go for broke and get a stoppage, I kind of needed a little bit more offensive surge than the end of round one. Now, with that said, it's nitpicking because he had a certain amount of gas tank. He's not a professional fighter, and he stretched that gas tank out, and he overachieved with it, okay? And again, he never got lit up too badly outside of one shot at a time. It's just hard because you want to spin off of a big event like this, Luke. And we said this may be, we're calling it the Paul Brother bubble at the moment, but the bubble in this case is non-traditional crossover celebrity fights. This isn't the first time it's ever happened, right?

We've dug up ones we didn't even know about in the build-up to this. And of course it was Ali and Inoki, and we've seen all different kinds of weird stuff like this. But the reason why we don't see this stuff all the time is because not only do regular fight fans prefer the more traditional type of fights, but that bubble can be burst when the competition goes away. Now, luckily in this bubble, the Jake Paul, Tyron Woodley fight,

that's going to be pretty competitive. Either guy, it seems like, could land a knockout at any point in this one. For these two particular competitors, though, not necessarily the whole genre of fun crossover fights, but for these two competitors, did you come out of this fight wanting to see either fight again? And that's really what I'm talking about in a fight

that was built up for entertainment purposes. Yeah, I mean, a couple of things. Number one, I'm not the target audience for this. Everyone knows that. I'm not the guy who's ever like, oh, I think these are awesome. So in many ways, I'm the wrong person to ask that. I do think a couple things, though.

One, I think Logan Paul probably could turn in another one of these. I don't know who exactly they could pick, but I'm sure they could find someone suitable. And would people watch? Depending on the right matchmaking, I think you could. And certainly for Floyd as well. It'd be very foolish to underestimate Floyd's ability to be a draw at the box office, even after

maybe, from an entertainment standpoint, a bit of a disappointing result. But I will say that I think that Floyd miscalculated power against a guy that big. I mean, I do think Logan Paul has a good chin. But I also feel like, dude, you know, there was, what, a 40-pound weight difference in there, give or take, something like that, 35 or something? He hit him clean. He hit him clean. It didn't translate like it usually does.

And I think the size for sure played a role. Let's just put it like this, to be fair to Floyd. He said it as much in the post-fight interview. He was surprised. He thought this guy would crumble a lot easier, whether it was probably fatigue or whether it was just taking a flinch big punch. To Logan's credit, he didn't in that regard. So that's a big part of your storyline and analysis there.

I didn't get the picture though from the post-fight interview that maybe Floyd wants to keep doing this. You know, like, if he was going to fight Conor McGregor and it's massive business, if they were going to somehow get Jake Paul involved again, you'd need a storyline to light it, and we had

it, and it feels like it's gone, but I don't even know if Floyd would want to anymore, just based on hearing him. Look look he's a guy who is was perfect because he's so you know he managed everything to such damn perfection meticulous in every category meticulous enough Luke to know in there tonight that maybe it wasn't as easy as he expected it to be and maybe it won't be again and you could end up you know finding out that father times unbeaten, you know, finding out that Father Time's unbeaten record is always going to trump anybody else with an

unbeaten record, right, in this boxing poker game here. I'm sweating like an absolute mongrel up here. Can I have a napkin from someone? So, you know, Luke, let's talk about that, because the rain, it rained, and it fried my laptop, so it's been a trying night. BC was supposed to do a write-up, and he

couldn't because his whole laptop just went kaput. So I'm sorry about that, but work will pay. It is hot as balls up here. Good thing these lights aren't 1,000 degrees Kelvin. Jesus Christ, I can't even see. You don't have to bring him into it. Help me, Jesus.

BC, you're talking about the weather there. I don't think that was a factor by the time the main event happened. I was worried about it. We got lucky. In the Jarrett-Hurt fight, which we'll get to in just a second. But it pushed us all out. And then the crowd didn't show up. I mean, we knew they were going to show up to the last because they were all behind us here getting drunk and COVID.

And I had to dig that one in. I had to. It was that or that. We got the full taste of South Florida, though. We got the full taste behind us. I tease Florida. They've been nothing but kind to us. Outside here.

But they weren't that kind to us when we were setting up before. But that's another story as well. I'm just saying, for Florida, I'll happily come back. It actually had a really good time. But I was worried about it. The mat did get slick. But I didn't see any remnant of that by the time the main event happened. Or even, frankly, the Baton Jack fight.

Let's be honest. And we got lucky here. And I know there was issues with getting the pay-per-view and there were some issues with the stream. I hope that was all figured out by the main event. But the rain was a shocker. You can get sideways rain. You can get a slick

surface. I think it might be rain. Is your body overheating right now? I'm having hot flashes. Mano paws kicking in here for Luke Thomas. I'm having mano paws. All in all, in what could have been a disaster, they pulled it off. They pulled it off, Luke. Say what you will about that. Did they pull it off?

Is that a thing that they did? I'm not sure that they did. They pulled off a fight. It wasn't a fight. It was a fight. Yes, they did that much. I would love to have seen somewhere on the audience satisfaction level because it's funny.

We should talk about some of the other fights on the card. I thought Chad Ochocinco, he did get dropped, but he over-delivered based on what we had heard here on the ground. And then I'll say this, the Jared Hurd upset was upsetting to me because he's from the D.C. area. You know you throw that around as if everybody's from the D area and they go, oh, that guy's from DC too? That's great, man. Yeah, I don't care that people don't. I want people to know where I'm from. They don't care, though. Listen, if Desus and Mero get to tell everyone that they're from the Bronx

and they're more popular than me, I understand, by orders of magnitude, but I get to do the same thing. Point being is this. Dude, Luis Arias I thought had the performance of the car. Do you want to give out performance bonuses? You start with that guy, do you not? You do. And, look, this was a, in some ways, he said it himself at the press conference on Friday,

like kind of a must-win situation for him. He'd stepped up to higher levels in the past and lost. But I think the reunion with Mayweather Promotions and the Mayweather Gym and Floyd himself really turned out to be a turnaround for Luis. He had gone back to the Mayweather Gym, he told us, on Morning Combat on Friday just to kind of put in work as a sparring partner, rekindled the relationship, and then got back in there, got to sparring Floyd again, got to, you know, really taking his career seriously.

He went after Jared Hurd, and he got hurt, and he got countered, yet he was the more aggressive, the more daring, the more enduring fighter in this. It's not that this was a bad performance from Jared Hurd. In fact, afterwards, he said, I thought I won, you know? But it's a wrong direction turn for Hurd, and I think it's more about what Arias did than what Hurd didn't do or what the judges missed or in any circumstance.

This was the most confident, he's still unpredictable, he's still a little unorthodox, but aggressive and consistent Luis Arias I've ever seen. Yeah, I think also it's worth pointing out, Arias had a chip on his shoulder all week long. He wanted the fight at 154. It was supposed to be. And then because later on,

Hurd said he couldn't make the weight, they pushed it up to closer to 160. And we had Pizzagate. Pizzagate, a different kind of Pizzagate. Not the one from D.C. Wow. Gotcha, bitch. Gotcha.

But in all seriousness, so he was really upset about that. And also, like, he had also leveled up to higher-ranked opponents and then just fallen short a few times. This was a massive win for his career, biggest one he's ever had to date. And honestly, dude, when it came down to it, I did not see enough urgency from Jarrett Hurd at all. In the end, Luis Arias just wanted

it more. Sometimes, they talk about it in competitive amateur wrestling, two guys can be more or less equally skilled. Who wants it more? There can be no denying, Luis Arias simply wanted it more by virtue of the way in which he was competing. And Arias also had to overcome the low blows, and that's when it was raining, and he got slick.

A lot of slickness. So look, that changes something, but we had said coming in about Hurd, he was the favorite, but he wasn't a monumental favorite. In fact, he started to look like Hurd at, you know. He was minus 1,400. But he was a value bet in some cases in that regard. You know he was caught between two styles coming into this fight. He had been the straight-ahead mauler brawler.

He tried to box under Kei Kurama against Chia Santana on Showtime in his comeback fight. We asked what he would be here. Luke, I thought to get the very best out of him, he needs to be that train that's running downhill and just taking you out. The problem, and you kept pointing it out as we were watching this fight together, was he was far too open for

counter shots, and he became not a punching bag, but taking more damage than someone in his spot in this matchup you would have thought should have taken. You go back to the laura fight that that the guy like jared hurt had and um if you've never seen it it's on youtube it's just a spectacular fight you really you really owe it to yourself to go you look at fights like that and the lara fights not merely the best example of this but even in that one where you have a guy who when lara fought canelo who i understand is a very different kind of fighter but when he fought fought him, he was sticking and moving the whole time.

And he was doing that in that fight too, but it was a lot more infighting. But you watch Jarrett Hurd and he had a phenomenal victory there. He takes a lot of abuse, man. Those right hands from Arias were landing over and over. And maybe he feels like he can take them, but the body shots when they're all in tight like that, dude, even if he can get back on the horse and, you know, losing your father to COVID during this whole pandemic,

moving out to Houston and changing things up, I feel like he's still sorting out his life a little bit. You know, with the weight class, maybe he wasn't as much of a professional as he could have been. I don't know. I'm just saying it's something to think about. But the reality is, dude, even if he gets back on the horse, it looks like this new style is not translating. Okay, well, you know, you could go back to what you're doing. But I don't think he tried the new style.

He didn't try to outbox Arias. He went in the trenches with him. And by the way, let's say this, it made for the fight of the night. It was a hell of a fight. It was a war of attrition. Hurd did have his moments. It's just, in the end, they were relatively, for tonight anyway, they were relatively equal-ish boxers.

But Arias just absolutely relentless with the pursuit of the fight, pressing Hurd into the ropes consistently throughout, I was actually really kind of happy for him and very very very impressed by his hunger and demeanor I don't think we need a rematch it became sort of a narrative that was asked in the post fight interview

yes it was a split decision yes Hurd thought maybe he could have gotten more favorable scorecards I thought I felt like I know who won that fight and sometimes you know, do you want to see that again at 154 this time it was at middleweight? Maybe. I don't think that's the

worst call in the world, but I will say this. For a guy like Jared Hurd who wanted the J-Rock rematch, which he told us at the Versace Mansion, dude, you're further away from that as you've ever been. Maybe since the night of the fight itself. Like, that was a bad loss for Jared Hurd. Very, very, it's a setback for him.

But, again, that's the boxing game. It's kind of zero-sum. And in this case, Luis Arias rockets to the highest level his career has ever been, and good for that guy because he earned it, no doubt about it. Let's not gloss over Chad Johnson. You brought it up quick. But it did open the pay-per-view broadcast,

and it was four two-minute rounds, no judges, exhibition fight. You know what? I mean, that's a rollercoaster performance, but I'm going to take my hat off to Chad Johnson. I have more, let's say, negative things to say about how Brian Maxwell fought overall. Didn't push the pace, didn't seem to have a ton of a gas tank. I know he didn't have a great experience. He was 0-3 in bare-knuckle fights, 0-1 in professional boxing, but you and I sort of said, look, from the interviews, from sort of gauging, you can't just cross over the same easy, right? I didn't think Maxwell, especially

when he finally got to Chad Johnson in round four and dropped him and had him wobbling and seemed like if you just go on there and just jab him, he's going to go down. Didn't have the urgency down the stretch. So, there's no winner. I did have it, the first three rounds, 10-9 for Johnson and the last one, 10-8 for Maxwell, and I thought he gave the fight away.

I thought he gave almost every round away. But I'll tell you this. Part of that, at least, was Chad Johnson. There was a southpaw-southpaw battle. But, you know, from years of training, he was upright. He wasn't irresponsible. Not enough head movement. It would catch him.

If he ever wanted to do this again, it would probably, you know, catch up with him. But you have to be impressed. He stepped into that moment. He was the guy getting off first. He was the guy circling around. I don't think it was an embarrassing performance. It was sloppy to agree, but he finished that fight, and

if that was what he needed at this point in his life at age 43, then he's a winner tonight. There's no question about it. I think you can say a couple things about that. Number one, the worst case scenario would have been a Nate Robinson scenario. He got knocked down. People might remember that, but it wasn't especially revealing about his inadequacies or something. Okay, we have to give you guys a heads up here, just so you know, if you want to switch over, you certainly may, of course. The post-fight press conference with Floyd Mayweather

has already begun. Did we put the link for it in the description box? Do you know? We should have. Yeah, I believe that we did. So if you want to go to the Show Sports YouTube account, the post-fight presser for Mayweather versus Paul has begun. And if you come back, I'll still be asking whether it was Floyd's responsibility or not to Luke.

Yeah, that's fair. But for Chad Johnson, I thought he actually looked pretty good for the most part. He was landing some nice jabs. He had a couple of counters. There was that one moment, I think in the second or third, where they were just exchanging. I thought one of them for sure was going to get clipped, but they didn't. So in the end, you know, Brian Maxwell got a moment of redemption with that nice overhand right. And Chad Johnson, I think overall, definitely exceeding some of our expectations for sure, given what we had heard. And I also don't think he has, he kind of joked,

oh, I'm ready for McGregor. I actually don't think he has any designs on doing this again. I don't think he does it again, but I think that this was, all things considered, kind of perfect for him because he got, you know, he had some adversity and he got through it. Could definitely hold his head high, for sure. And look, we didn't know a ton about Maxwell coming in.

I don't want to kill the guy because afterwards you saw the joy in the post-fight interview for him saying, now the world knows who I am. Now the world saw a guy who had an NFL player player on the on the road he was just a little dude i even i even brought it up with him he was a little too deferential to ocho cinco you know what i mean like you the before the fourth round he was trying to dap him up and you know they were talking to each other and he just seemed like he had a little bit of pat berry miracle croak up in him he didn't really want to go for the kill especially if you not thought he was going to go and just unload on the guy.

But, you know, in the end, I think both guys can take something from that. Hey, I knocked Ocho Cinco down, and Ocho Cinco can say, hey, I went the full distance with somebody, and blah, blah, blah. You were kind of the Pat Berry to my Rose in the gym today when we worked out for MKDOT cameras.

I said you are the best MF-er ever. Yeah. I did say that. Yeah, damn right. You know, Rose and I are also both Lithuanian, so it's where champions are made. What's the capital of Lithuania? the best MF-er ever. Yeah. I did say that. Yeah, damn right. You know, Rose and I are also both Lithuanians, so, you know, it's where champions are made. What's the capital of Lithuania?

Anyway, back to the nature at hand. Very quickly, Badu Jack had a fight against a late replacing, I forget the guy's first name, even, last name, Kalina.

Dervin Kalina. Dervin Kalina. You know, that fight was a bit of a mess. It was what it was. Last minute. Sean Pascal popped for a gazillion steroids.

They had to get a last minute guy. Badou Jack doing Badou Jack things. I thought he looked fine for the most part. Got him out there pretty quickly. The other guy pretty quickly realized he didn't have anything for Badou Jack. You know, you can only get so many people on last minute. He's from, I believe he's from Venezuela originally. Fights out of Colombia.

He was unbeaten, but had never fought out of South America. Got stopped. It is what it is. But one key thing. Badou Jack is 37, and it's not the same guy anymore, but he's still certainly a credible out. He's already won titles in two divisions. Announced he thinks cruiserweight is the direction for him next to try to get a third title in a third division. We'll see what happens, Luke.

He's still a name. He's still a very credible boxer. Let's see if moving up in weight can, you know, sometimes when the speed slows down, you go up in weight. See if he can outbox those guys. I'm seeing a question online. I'll pitch it to you. See what you think about this as we get back to the main event here. I'm talking about Mayweather versus Paul. Someone keeps asking.

I see it all over my timeline. It's worth asking. People are saying, how much longer can this kind of celebrity boxing thing go on? Yes, great question. Great question. After an out like tonight, which, again, not some kind of calamity, but it wasn't raucous entertainment.

What's your answer to that? How much longer can it go on? We talk about the bubble. The key, and I've been saying this to you over text, and you're like, I don't care, I don't care. But the key to sustaining this bubble is competition and delivering upon entertainment, right? And that's why if this was was in some ways

for some people because of the reach, because you had two, you know, you had two monumental A-sides and then Logan Paul and Floyd in separate areas of the pop culture realm. So for some people, Luke, who weren't watching the last couple Logan Paul fights or KSI against, you know, whatever, Jake Paul or whatever, this may be the first time they tried this type of fight. Did it win them over? It's interesting, you know, in that regard, in terms of, you know, the hunger to see both moving forward. Does this kill it? No. Could Woodley and Jake Paul put on just a trash talk filled back and forth war and we find out the answers we're looking to find? What does Woodley have left? Is Jake Paul, can we take him for real? Is he getting closer to that? That could certainly

bring you back. But this isn't the type. It didn't play out what's fitting for this genre. And what is this genre? That's right, yeah. Dude, if that was a normal boxing fight, which I realize because of the height and the weight it wasn't, you would probably have a, you know, it was okay for what it was. You would be, you know, sometimes boxing's great. Sometimes it's not.

Sometimes it's right in the middle. But if that was a normal boxing fight with normal expectations, it'd be whatever. It was the promise of entertainment. And that's why I keep harping on that question about what was Floyd's responsibility. And not to just bury Floyd. People want to say at BCO, you're like Larry Merchant, you never give him a fair shake.

You didn't give him a fair shake in the Versace robes on Thursday either. Did I really not? You can go back and watch that for yourself. But what I'm asking for is, are we asking too much of a guy, Luke, who has been so perfectly calculated in everything he's done, including set up his matches in the second half of his career

when he was boxing's biggest star by far? Are we asking too much of him to go out of his way to finish a guy that much bigger in a fight where really he can only lose? One thing Floyd said in the locker room beforehand when he talked to Desus and Mero, he's like, I can't win, right?

They're all going to be, if I finish it too early, I can't win. If we go too long, I can't win. I'll say that. You're damn right. But membership has its privileges, and the privileges are the huge checks that Floyd's been able to cash in

by creating these big events and drawing eyes in. And I know sometimes people would say, oh, he's a boring fighter and whatever. And us hardcore boxing guys would defend that in a lot of ways. You know, I would never defend Floyd's way of winning a fight when he has to, especially when he was aiming to retire unbeaten. It's within the competitive scale. I've always said it. You want to play basketball?

You want to hold the ball and run off the shot clock? It's a style that can work. But this ain't that part of his career anymore. So are we asking too much of a guy who didn't take those chances, never really had to see him rally and come from behind? He had a couple of fights that went to the... He wasn't rallying here. No.

So are we asking him too much when it's either knockout or we're going to be upset with you to go for the knockout in a potentially dangerous spot? I just didn't see... He did walk Logan down for the latter third, or maybe even half of that fight. Not late, though. Not as late.

But also, again, Logan was tying him up. You've got to give the guy credit, man. You really do, so I'll give him that. But you're right. Again, this is the thing. It's like, how many times did you have a Floyd Mayweather fight where it was very defensive, and it didn't necessarily deliver on, like,

you know, it wasn't, I mean, who's the most action-oriented boxer you can think of, right? Arturo Gatti. Arturo Gatti. It wasn't Gatti, okay? But, you know, again, Floyd was having to deal with incredibly precise, high-level fighters. But Floyd's also a counterpuncher, and Logan didn't try to go after him. Fair enough. Fair enough. I'm just pointing out, I think Floyd got a, I mean, I don't know, we haven't talked to him.

I wonder if he got a slight wake-up call, not so much about, you know, does Logan Paul have a future in boxing, but about his own. He did. About his own, not going to say mortality, but age. He retired from boxing for a reason. Yes. And he absolutely had no problem with Conor McGregor, and he utterly demolished Tenshin Naskawa. He struggled is a strong word, but he had to work a lot more than he thought

he did. And think about it. He's a master of controlling all the details because he's so in control of all the details. He knows now that it's just not there where it was. That's why he humbly said, I'm not 21 anymore. And I'll give him that respect. If that is the wake-up call he needs to maybe not do it anymore, Luke,

then that's one thing. Now, I want to ask you about, as we move forward, marketing-wise, business-wise, would there be an appetite for Floyd and Conor, too, after this without an incident, just from the specter of Conor could press him more, he could bring out Floyd more? Honestly, I think with the state that Floyd, again, I want to be clear about this, Floyd was the heaviest he's ever been. He's been retired for some time now, so you've got to get him on a curve.

But based on the way he looked tonight, even if Conor loses to Dustin, how could you not argue that it would be more competitive than the first one? Maybe you don't think the outcome would be different, but it wouldn't be more competitive. I struggle to believe that, quite honestly. So I think that there probably would be a market for it. The question is, the first one was, what, 4.5, 4.5,

4.6 mil? The question is, how much less would it be than that? And under what rule set would they have an exhibition for a second one? Would Conor vs. Floyd 2 do that? That's not all the realm of possibility either, quite honestly. I am glad that this was an exhibition. I think if. Would Conor vs. Floyd 2 do that? That's not a L.A. Roma possibility either, quite honestly. I am glad that this was an exhibition. I think if this is going to continue,

even the Mike Tyson and Roy Jones type, which was an exhibition, they've got to be exhibitions. It's just a different time in fighters' careers. What was Liddell, Tito Ortiz 3? That was a real fight, right? That wasn't on the records, yes. A fight like that shouldn't as well, I think.

It's amazing. It makes me think about Pacqu think. And then, you know, this one. It's amazing. It makes me think about Pacquiao. He was two years less old than Floyd. He's got a big fight coming up against Errol Spence. Spence should win that. We all said that Pacquiao is for 42. Okay, Spence should be favored, but let's not talk many out of it. Favor is what I say.

Favor. That's a better way to put it. But it also makes me wonder, like, Floyd two years ago, right, in 2019, we all thought probably was, you know, after Nascar was in 2018, that wasn't long after. Floyd was in pretty good shape. You know, we'll see what the next two years look like for Pacquiao. Maybe this is the window where these guys, even if they can go past 40,

there's only a small window you can go past 40. The decline begins to creep in pretty quick. Just tell me what it would have felt like. I know you don't want to go down this road, okay? Tell me what it would have felt like if Floyd knocked him out cold, took out the hat, or at least a replica of it, put it over Logan's head as he was knocked out,

and then grabbed the microphone and was like, What you got, Jake, bitch? What you got, you hoe-ass bitch? You old bitch. You old bitch. Okay, now we'd be talking about Floyd Jake, right? Jake was there in the audience. Really makes you sad that there's no one playing the knockout game anymore?

Just running up and stealing on him? Not fair. You wouldn't want that because then the fight would fall down, but we don't want that. Anyway, that's it, man. I don't have much else to say. That was okay, I guess, you know? Sort of, not really. They rolled the dice.

Was I for rolling the dice? Yeah, let's have a fun event. We had an event. Did you have fun? We had an event tonight. My laptop got fried. You're a sweaty mess. We had an event, right?

I'm just sweating like a prostitute. We got to meet many Florida men, though, behind us tonight. Are they still here? I think that meeting was brought to you by COVID-19. Wow. Also, we saw the great coach and trainer and generally weird person. We love him. But Eric Alberacin, he was here.

He's been DMing. This is a true story. This is the coach of the Pitbull Brothers and a bunch of the people. He's been DMing. Cejudo, the brains behind him. Cejudo, yeah. He's been DMing. Cejudo, the brains behind it. Cejudo, yeah. He's been DMing BC and Instagram all night. Just drunken videos.

Drunkenly rambling. And what he's rambling for is this. We had AJ McKee on the Mayweather-Paul weigh-in show on Saturday. And they're hyping what's the fight's going to happen, right? For the featherweight Grand Prix and the championship, the million bucks against Pitbull. Coach Eric was a little upset, Luke, that we didn't give Pitbull that kind of same time, brother, so he went after our staff. He went after them.

What did he do, Maniche? Maniche, would you call that harassment or fun harassment? Fun harassment, yes. I told him we didn't make the call. I don't tell Bellator who to bring here. I love that he thinks you and I had the pull that we could say like, you know, hey, Steven Espinoza,

we're going to need to work Coach Alboracin into the broadcast. It's like, dude, we are two losers that they just let give our stupid opinions that very few people care about. We don't have the pull to get Pitbull over here. All right, I don't think Logan Paul ever fights again. How about that for hot?

Let's close it with some hot takes, brother. Oh, that is a hot. I like that take. I like that take. I think that's an interesting take. Because that's the best win he could have had, right? He's peaked. Dude, he won tonight.

And I'm not saying that to, like, give him certain, like, overpraise. You give him enough praise. But he won the fight in terms of the story and whatever moral victory. People didn't pay for that moral victory. I just want you to know that. But he did win that, Luke. Right. Okay. Alright. Well, give me another hot take. Give me one more, Luke, okay? What's another hot take?

Florida's great. I had a good time in Florida. Florida's hot as a ball. Did you have a good time in Florida? Did you have a good time? You? Yeah, it's not so bad, right? Well, I mean, that's part of it anyway. You know, north. I've been to Pensacola.

I mean, woo, don't go there. But, okay. Miami's nice. Miami's nice. I like Miami. Boy, the Latinos in Miami are just. Every time our producer, Matt, just takes off in the middle of our show. Bill Diffrin, hashtag.

You know, I always think we'll lose our job at the end of that. Like, he's running off to grab the fire extinguisher and just hose this set down. Be like, you guys are done. You guys are done. I can see in the distance is actually the guy from the Apollo with the hook. He's coming to just get us off. Yes. If you want more from us, we'll be going on to CBS Sports.

You know what? I love that fight tonight. Entertaining. That's what that. Please don't fire me. That's what that was. Okay. All right.

Don't do it. Don't say I told you so. Don't freaking do it. Don't look in that camera and say I told you so. You didn't say shit, you old bitch. What's up with the hostility? I'm on prednisone, Brian. Why don't you give more people poison ivy? I've got poison swamp neck. Thank you. See, people want to know about the curse

of the robe. They said, look... Yeah, the robe was cursed for sure. BC got a gross rash, right? Yeah. Okay. They say, what happened next? What happened next? Luke's gallbladder almost.

Oh, that already happened. I already fixed that part. Okay. And then what happened next? Maybe the fight didn't live up to expectations. Huh? It rained. We can't hear you.

My flight got canceled? Oh, there's the curse. Wait, that's a real thing that just happened? So Luke's flight tomorrow got canceled. What time did he get rebooked? Okay. My neck. My back.

My knee and my crack. You know what's entertaining? You know what's entertaining? This motherfucking show. This motherfucking show is entertaining. Take that Florida we live in, bro. Yeah, right? Suck a D up until you hit the bitch.

Please don't fire me, Showtime. I like my paychecks. I'm done. You want to call it a day? Yeah. All right. We want to thank everyone for watching. This was a very short post-fight show.

We are done here in Miami. My flight's been canceled, but I'll somehow find a way to get home, whether I have the panhandle or not. That's Brian Campbell from CBS Sports. You can follow us. You see everywhere there. We appreciate everyone who stuck around for us. And, yeah, oh, and by the way, we did hear about the streams.

Obviously, we don't have any control over that. We're really sorry to hear what happened. So I hope everyone who had an issue can get resolved. It was the robe. It was because we wore the robe. Probably. One more reminder, the Post Fight Press Conference at the Show Sports YouTube

channel, it is still going on. If you want to go check that out, please go do that now. That is it for MK. For Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas, everyone here, great staff here. Round of applause for the staff, BC. They did a phenomenal job, phenomenal job setting us up. No issues all week. We really appreciate you guys. So until next

time, no MK tomorrow. We'll appreciate you guys. So until next time, no MK tomorrow. We'll be back on on Wednesday. May all of your gains be loyal.