MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Jake Paul Trains With Jorge Masvidal | Tito Ortiz | Caleb Plant | Ep. 112

Episode Date: January 29, 2021

On episode 112 of MK, the boys talk about all the latest combat sports news. Luke and Brian discuss Jake Paul training with Jorge Masvidal ahead of his Ben Askren fight (6:50), Mario Yamasaki planning return to MMA (16:35), and Caleb Plant vs. Caleb Truax (51:40). Plus, Tito Ortiz could be removed as Huntington Beach City Council Mayor Pro Tem (16:35). ---------------------------- 'Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit: store.sho.com   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat  To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

oh yeah this friday january 29th 2021 this right here your combat sports home known as morning combat hey it's morning somewhere right my name is brian campbell the beige one the bbc hey okay i think he's got that bde as well today right yes thank you. Thank you. Representing CBS Sports Showtime. Whoever will pay me really at this point, okay? And the guy next to me, you know him. Some of you love him. He's big. He's opinionated.

He's a hairy bastard. CBS Sports own the best in the world at what he does. Luke Thomas. Luke, it's Friday. Orange background. No J. BC in the director's Friday. Orange background. No J. B.C. in the director's chair. How are you, bro?

I'm doing well, good, sir. Happy to be here. It's a Friday. Not a lot happening in the combat sports world in terms of events tomorrow. A little bit. A little bit. We'll get to that. But it's freezing cold here in the nation's capital.

Is it butt cold up in Connecticut as well? Yeah, in Connecticut we have a feels like today of negative nine. Is that what you're dealing with? It's below freezing here, but not quite that. Still, enough where it's like, do I want to walk the dogs for very long? No, I do not want to walk the dogs for very long. Luke, they used to say, right, the old timers, it's colder than a witch's titty. Yes, I've heard that expression.

I don't really know what that means except to say that those things must have been cold. Those slapjacks must have been. Luke, why do we always have to start with misogyny, right? I mean, can't we evolve, please? I mean, listen, if warlocks had titties, we would probably talk about how cold they are as well. But I guess that they don't, and I guess that they're not so here we are well we yeah i mean we don't have much to report today but some people think luke that's when we do our best work right so let's see what we got today a couple housekeeping items please like this video please subscribe to the freaking rocket ship

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There's much hipper merch on the horizon, they say. But, you know know they've been saying a lot of things too including how do we get this merch to our passionate fans overseas still haven't figured it out luke you know the industrious ones they smuggle it but everybody else just whines remember what willie nelson said in half baked luke do you know how much condoms cost back in the day don No, we never used them. Yeah. All right.

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What do you like? You're going to find it there. The Comedy Store, Doc Brendan Schaub's in that. Hey, he was on was on rogan did you just check that out luke i've not seen it yet no all right well you know it's there on that website uh so that's all we got here luke you got any other uh you got weekend plans there's not a bunch of fights this week before we get into the headlines you got anything uh what are you gonna hunker down and hibernate this weekend no no yeah not a whole lot going on i think it's supposed to snow here on Sunday, so we've got really just one day to go out,

and it's going to be ass cold. I don't know what we're going to do. I think we're just going to... We don't have any real plans, to be quite candid with you. It's COVID. What the fuck can you really do when the outdoors are below freezing? And by the way, I don't live near a mountain where you can just go, let's go skiing.

It's like, that's not really an option either. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what we're going to do. It's going to be nice and boring, BC. All right, all right. Maybe you'll put on your favorite song, Ass Titties. Ass Titties, right? DJ Assault is a legend in these parts.

Don't you dare besmirch that name. All right, all right. Shout out to everyone in your fine family, including Mocha and Uncle Felipe. Great stuff. All right, let's get into the show this week. Here we go. Luke's favorite topic to kick off, right? Crossover celebrity boxing.

Yes. The aforementioned Jake Paul, who has signed on in April on a Triller pay-per-view to take on former MMA star and world champion Ben Askren is digging deeper into the MMA playbook Luke to train For boxing. What does that mean? That means he has joined the camp. I don't know if it's permanent I don't know if it was one day but video has emerged that Jake Paul is joining forces with Jorge Masvidal to prepare him For a quick KO of Ben Askren. Now, Luke, the video was weird.

Apparently, we don't have it right now. My fault on that. I saw it. It shows Jake Paul being taught by GameBread the running move that he did to hit Askren with the flying knee, only instead of the flying knee, since this is boxeo, it's sort of a flying Superman punch. Your reaction to this bullshit, Luke? I mean, let me just pull back the curtain here a little bit.

I was thinking about this this morning. What does it say about us that we're leading the podcast with this? Seriously. That we're trying to troll our audience hard and troll you at the same time? Okay, the trolling me part I get. It's one of your favorite things to do. All right, check that off the list. I mean, I don't't know what to say about it i don't even know if we should be like talking about this like here's my question to you and i was thinking about this too it's like

are we going to include every piece of minutiae or detail about what the paul brothers do now i mean i i get you can't like you can't escape it on some level you got to include it i think a little bit but this to me seems like a fairly minor detail a pretty dumb one at that and it's like we're leading the show with it i don't know if that's such a such a smart call bc well you know i don't know if this first of all you know i don't have producer credit so i certainly didn't make this rundown um you certainly you certainly when the producer who did make the show was asking for topics your boy you went silent so i don't know what happened i was in a uh day three of the diet uh from our fat weekend uh were you bitter uh carbs withdrawal i was i was like a

you know an ex-heroin addict i was not in a position to approve topics, Luke. So I really have no idea what's coming next. But I will say, Luke, there was no shortage of offers being thrown out there to the Pauls or the Askrens to prepare for this fight. Do you think... Jake, put on your serious cap for 30 seconds. Is there anything Jorge can do to prepare Jake Paul to knock out Ben Askren?

Yeah, sure. I mean, we talk about best boxers in MMA. Jorge's on that list. I mentioned this yesterday on yesterday's live chat. And you might say, well, the part that's weird is like, it's not that Jorge doesn't know how to strike. He quite obviously does. And it's not like he doesn't know how to box.

He quite obviously does. But it's like, I mean, as qualified as Jorge is on many different forms of combat wouldn't you go to a pure boxer if you're going to be in a pure boxing match I guess maybe not because you know what the hell is Askren going to do you know he had two UFC fights where he didn't land a single significant strike um you know it's like getting unorthodox with it in ways that Jorge can I suppose make sense but I just find this whole thing fucking stupid

and I vote I would like to motion that we only give attention to this fucking fight to the extent there is any kind of a major headline like the fight is off or here are the results or something like that because this is this is

and it's it's my fault but this is the world's dumbest story all right well you we are only making it dumber this is the only motion i think you have for this fight i got a little bit more interest but uh do you have a uh of the two celebrity paul fights on the docket. Does either one interest you more? No. Dude, no. No, no, no, no. No. No, no, no, no. As my daughter goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

We are trying to align different parts of the world for some kind of yo mama contest. And the meeting in the middle only happens in a place where both guys aren't good at it. Like, that's the only way to make it happen. That's, what on earth could be the fucking appeal unless you're 15 or you are in a traumatic car accident? I don't understand. Now, I've done some brain damage from drinking, BC.

Okay, all right, you you know guilty as charged there don't don't tell Spencer Fisher that Dana White please yeah exactly so you know I'm on the same level as him exactly we've done all the same things and we have sacrificed on the altar of athletic achievements just the same way but in all seriousness it's like dude I just I'm trying I'm trying and I can't I just oh Luke have some fun this is not the way I have fun I have fun watching Max Holloway that is how I well look yeah I can't do it look, oh, Luke, have some fun. This is not the way I have fun. I have fun watching Max Holloway. That is how I am. I can't do it.

Luke, part of your job, I mean, you disagree with my interpretation of your job, which is to make educated predictions, and I get that. There's a gap between us there. That gap will probably always be there, Luke. Maybe that gap fuels our chemistry and will eventually become our demise. But, Luke, sometimes you have to talk about fights and fighters that you don't love. I mean, I do that every day.

I don't like, I don't want to get an early feeling here since you won't entertain us with your thoughts. Do you, who do you think is going to win this damn Paul Askren fight? I mean, just to be clear, I don't mean to be demeaning towards what,

like, here's what I'm, here's what like here's what I'm concerned about I'm concerned that if we get in the habit of just magnifying everything that the Paul brothers do that this will become just a force of habit it's like oh the Paul brothers farted on Instagram let's make sure we talk about that because they tagged Dylan Dennis in it or something like I just

want to make sure we don't get down that path like who's going to win I have no fucking idea who's going to win for all the reasons aforementioned. Neither of them are boxers. One was a hugely legitimate athlete but certainly has been through it a little bit. Again, including hip surgery. The other one is Dennis the Menace

meets car crash victim. Meets fetal alcohol syndrome. I mean, I don't even know what to say about this guy. Are you calling him a Sid survivor? This is not good television. I'm just saying, I want to make sure, very careful about this show. Do we have latitude on this show?

Producer credits or no, we have latitude. We can choose what the fuck we want to talk about. I've got longitude, if you know what I'm saying. B-D-E, Luke. I like how you wait for other dudes to tell you you have that, as if that's some kind of proof of it. But listen, in all seriousness, I do think the story here that's kind of interesting

is Jorge never pumping the brakes on aligning himself with this. And I guess the answer to that is what? The dude is trying to maximize celebrity. That guy has it. So just welcome him into your home, so to speak. Is that the idea? Yeah. Yeah, that's it, bro.

That's it. I did, look, I would not be doing my job as a journalist. This is not me attempting to troll you, although sometimes that's a gray area. But if the Paul brothers you found out were 25% Colombian, would your analysis change? A little. A little.

At least we're showing our cards here, Luke, okay? Yeah, but here's the truth. I said it before. I said it before. People are like, you can't take them seriously. You can't do this. I will repeat this to the end of the earth. This is true for them.

It's true for anybody in the world. I will take you seriously when you do something worth being taken serious. Take a real fight that's a real challenge, that's a real part of a cycle of growth for a professional fighter, and I will take it seriously. But that's not what they're doing. This is all fucking circus act how many clowns can we fit in the car and

they're going to get rich doing it which we talked about it's a real lucrative thing although I guess I don't know what's happening with the older Paul brother and Mayweather which we talked about I guess on Wednesday but at least for this particular case I do think it'll make these guys some money and so I sort of understand it but on some level it's like dude

if you get to sit in this chair we get on just some but on some level it's like dude like if you get to sit in this chair we get on just some level on some level we get to be tastemakers a little bit we should tell the audience this is bullshit because it is and we should tell them it's dumb if you want to watch dumb things i watch dumb things sometimes everyone does okay but that's what it is it's dumb all right uh mr no fun left uh is back but uh that's fine we can we can pivot to more clowns look speaking of clowns uh you ever get this this this tubi app t-u-b-i it's free app it's got movies and tv i only downloaded because it was a documentary i was looking to find to be they've got uh i think it's like think it's like a Pluto TV, Fubo TV type deal. They got Killer Clowns from Outer Space on there under the cult classics folder.

Are you a big fan of that? No, I will cop to it. I've actually, I know of the movie. I've never seen it. Is it good or like, what is it? It's so painfully good. Painfully bad, but good. Yeah, it's a trip.

Look, it's a ride all right is it like uh do you remember do you remember in the 80s what was big was like i think 90s to an extent too remember leprechaun and all the leprechaun series dude those were badass i stand behind the leprechaun just like i stand behind some of the earnest library like slam dunk earnest you know i mean come on earnest was basically just like who was he like the white Tyler Perry? You know, because it's always like Ernest goes to prom. Ernest goes to jail. Ernest goes to space. And then Medea does all that shit.

A lot of people think if Ernest was still around today, he'd be co-hosting the show with you, Luke. All right, Luke. Speaking of clowns, let's move on here. Former UFC champion Tito Ortiz in in the headlines you may have remembered from his recent political foray getting voted in in california and his native huntington beach in the city council mayor pro tem the hell does that mean mayor pro tem luke yeah basically he's the guy who it's like vice mayor so to speak like if the mayor can't do the job he would fill in

anytime you mix latin in here it confuses me right you know there's like a trial coming up somebody's pro bono i'm like dude i've been pro bono for a long time bro all right all right i had i had cinemax as a kid uh luke there's rumors here that he could be removed now look ever since he was elected there's been a uh and if you wanted to troll him hard all you had to do was follow the headlines because he's getting thrown out of public meetings he's doing his typical tito extreme extreme right wing takes mixed with let's let's call a spade a spade because dana has for years is tito the most intelligent man in this world luke no um he's going to be removed as quick as he was voted in. Luke, this is William Henry Harrison territory here who died a month into office as US president. Your thoughts, Luke?

I find the story fascinating. I find the story of a guy who banked on existing celebrity, what was left of it. Certainly still know good name recognition and obviously he has fame just not just exclusive to mma remember he was on a season of the apprentice with president or former president trump anyway and um and you know has sort of been making the rounds in media for a long long time and dude i will say this about tito like he's always been a very naturally good instinctually understanding how to self promote I think even his critics don't understand that like you know if you follow like Bohashina Depot on Twitter the guy can't string together a sentence to save his life do you remember the one

for the um for the uh not the affliction card but the uh well he did the affliction you know post by interviews which was a disaster but do you remember when he was supposed to fight Chuck the third time and he was talking to Radio Raheem and he was talking about Chuck reaching for those grapes? Do you remember this? I can barely recite what he was actually trying to say because it was just completely garbled English. But the truth is he actually is a very good...

He just understands naturally how to promote himself. And so I think that's actually really expanded how far he would have ordinarily gone, given his abilities, which at some time were considerable, but have been gone for a while. And so he ended up doing this thing where he emulated Trump in every kind of way, not so much for the grandiosity of the office, which was president, but for his local one. And it was just obviously apparent to anybody on the outside. This guy is just totally, I mean, this guy is way out of his depth. And he was still able to get elected.

I saw some reports from local Orange County media being like, hey, why'd you vote for this guy? And a lot of them were like, hey, he seemed nice. He was popular. He seems to love Huntington Beach. They didn't really give it any consideration or didn't know him in the way that the MMA community might. And it has been a disaster. It has been a disaster from the word go. He is documenting all the places he is getting kicked out of, which have, whether you like it or not, you know, what is a business supposed to do? If there's a

mask ordinance on some level, they have to comply. It's not like they have a choice. He goes to these places, they ask him to wear a mask. He refuses. They tell him to leave. And then he puts it on social media, which totally backfires on him. He has, he doesn't understand this. It's one thing to be Tito Ortiz, MMA fighter, but you have switched. You are now public servant. So now he's Tito Ortiz, public servant. And dude, constituents are going to get in your fucking face and they're going to say really mean and nasty things to you. And he is obviously having a very hard time doing that. He has checked out from meetings. It's like, dude, there is just a string of people out there who think that politics is some kind of performative art on a grand stage for media.

When actually, you know what it is? It's where do stop signs go? Do we have any issues with the water supply? Here's the zoning board meeting. We need to get rid of these potholes on Highway 59 or whatever. It's actually you have to govern. You actually have to do things. He is so out of his depth that three months in,

you have the mayor and two other city council members begging him to be removed from the role of not only pro tem, but they want him kicked off the council altogether. Now, I don't know how successful that will be, BC, but it's like this weird reality he's been able to craft for himself of identity. And my dad told me this one time, like what the word sophomore means in actual, is it Latin or Greek? Whatever the origin of the word is in Latin,

it actually means having the form of substance but not any actually substance inside. And that's what this is. It's the form of some identity. Hey, I was a guy on TV. I had a really successful career as an athlete. I've been in the public eye for a long time. And then inside, it's a totally empty suit.

And he's having a hard time understanding that. He's having a hard time dealing with it. And dude, there is national media all over this guy for every mistake he is making talk about biting off more than you could chew yeah this is this is comical uh luke are you making a case indirectly for monarchy for the idea that the p you give too much freedom to the people to vote in the people they want and this is what happens, Luke? No. I think elections have consequences and they got to live with it.

But if it were a place that I lived, I wouldn't vote for this guy for dog catcher. I mean, he is utterly incompetent. Well, he does have a good double leg, Luke. I could see him getting in on a Rottweiler, Luke. I mean, dog catcher actually, Luke, if you really want to suspend that joke and go into it, it might actually be his future.

Luke, I referenced earlier in the show that I have brought back to life a former CBS Sports State of Combat recurring series, Storytime, with the great Sugar Rashad Evans, where we go fight by fight in his great career. And he tells us incredible details including that time he pissed his pants in the ultimate fighter finale against Brad Imes during the fight Luke and nobody saw it we did record an episode yesterday from his first fight with Tito Ortiz in 2007 you have any recollections of this one it was a draw this was a draw correct yes yeah didn't Tito put it on him early and then Rashad kind of came back late

is that how it went yeah Rashad took him down late you know Tito had a guillotine to end round two Rashad though uh with with uh the announcers all over him made a flurry in the final minute to take him down and put it on him to scrape the draw and what's crazy Luke is um you know that was a couple months after Rampage knocked out Chuck and Rashad not getting that loss instead getting a draw propelled him into that run where he beat Bisping

he beat Chuck and he beat Forrest for the belt and it sent Tito who was fresh off being knocked out by Chuck in the rematch to like six losses in seven fights so it's an interesting fight in the growth and career of Rashad Evans. A lot of cool details there. I encourage everyone to check it out.

Luke, while I have the area here as host to promote more of my own things, since we don't really have a strong rundown today, Luke, I did interview Eddie Alvarez this week, and he is getting lit the hell up for making the claim that he, even at 37. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before we pivot into Eddie, you don't have any thoughts about how weird this whole story is? Oh, Tito, okay. Yeah, I mean, it's a joke. I do tend to understand why people are like, screw politics. I hate it. It's divisive. All these guys are crooks to begin with. So when a celebrity emerges, even a Donald Trump, to be honest, it can open up the doors.

Remember when Howard Stern was running for governor of New Jersey in the 90s? You know what I mean? At that time, you're like, yeah, let's get somebody wild and crazy in there to break up and be a maverick. Right. We love that term. And just, you know, yeah, but Tito's not that guy. So this is um predictably sadly hilarious Luke this ending right I mean here's the part it's not even the ending yet like

we have to see I mean it would do we're just three months into this term we got to see how this whole thing plays out there is a long I mean the drop to the bottom on this one could be much worse than merely uh the mayor and two council members asking for him to be removed from this. But I just find it like this weird reality check where you can use... It's like, you know what it is to me? It's like the Paul brothers using YouTube to be like, oh, RKSI, I'm a rapper. Well, you're kind of a rapper on YouTube. It's not really real. And then in this particular case, they're fighting Ben Askren,

which is a real fight in certain ways, but not the way that is necessarily intended. And then actually trying to do something with it, with a real career, then, oh my fucking God, here is the storm. This is why people play act. This is why people pretend. This is why they posture,

because the actual act of doing the hard stuff, they don't have the stomach for. Yeah, this ain't Ronald Reagan making the transition, Luke, from acting to governor of California and eventually. Not everyone can make that switch, bro. Schwarzenegger made it a little bit. This ain't even Arnold Schwarzenegger or Jesse Ventura, Luke, who had pretty good success in their own right taking politics seriously right do you do you remember i remember when jesse see but jesse ventura was a little bit weird because he was uh you know that was just sort of a weird moment you're see you're automatically using the word weird to put him in

a box because as a former what uh navy seal or whatever he was he was like he feels like he see he knows where the bodies are buried he has seen how the machine works luke so he was he was like he feels like he see he knows where the bodies are buried he has seen how the machine works luke so he was very open to trying to expose that and he's certainly doing it now with podcasts and tv shows so you automatically want to throw him exposing truths is that what he's doing in the lunatic band you and i had a text exchange about this last night luke yeah jesse vittoro i thought the most interesting thing he's done more recently has been that he sued the guy who claimed to be like the American sniper whose name I forget,

who, remember, in his book essentially defamed him and Ventura sued him. Ventura sued this fucking guy, which is very hard to win on and did and actually won because it turned out he just made up a bunch of shit in this book about i mean who knows what all he made up but certainly about

ventura he made up a bunch and uh he won that shit outright i thought actually it was good for jesse ventura but here's what i mean like even schwarzenegger made up shit too luke the government's made up a ton of shit that jesse's tried to expose as well has he is that what he's done is that how he spent his time maybe you're too close to the flame having been you know grew up in dc having been in the marines it's sort of like luke is every um mason part of the illuminati no right right some of those guys are just you know they raise money for kids and they do nice things and they have a weekly club they go to they don't know what the top's doing right luke i would expect more from you in the conspiratorial understanding and the wake-up and the knowledge.

But the problem is, Luke. The problem is I'm not more to dumb ideas in the way that some people are. Here's the point. Schwarzenegger was a little bit different than Ventura because he was a little bit outside of the establishment as well, but he was much more of it relative to Jesse Ventura. And so I think that enabled him to do what he did, but both of them had some difficulty governing as well. None like Tito Ortiz, who, you know, Schwarzenegger's my hero personally,

but Tito Ortiz, boy, he is, I mean, out the gate stumbling over his feet. No, Schwarzenegger does have skeletons in the closet, Luke. There was a maid, you know. Yeah, that one's always been weird. It's true. Like, I don't deny the story, but it's like... I was always surprised by some of the choices he made in his life, if that makes sense.

Like, you know, sometimes you just gotta bend the maid, I guess. You can't throw a perfect game in life. It's not possible, Luke. I just wanted to say that you and I had an interesting text exchange last night where the extremists nowadays, the 2020-2021 extremists, Luke, they've taken all the things I've loved. I feel like going on a Nate Diaz rant, you know? Hey, far, far, far right-wingers, you've taken all I've worked for here.

I can't be a conspiracy guy anymore because they've ruined that genre. Can I even be a Christian anymore? I feel like they've all ruined that genre too look okay you know so in other words you can't be a conspiracy theorist or theorist excuse me without also at this point in current current modern times unless you hate jews and all other races is that the idea yeah it used to be like oh that guy either he knows something or he's a little crazy, but he's got interesting theories about the Oklahoma City bombing or 9-11. Now it's, you're a friggin' racist and you just stormed the Capitol steps. You know, they took that from me, Luke, okay?

Yeah, you've got to be the guy who rolls up to Comet Ping Pong and is like, I'm going to go find out where all the kids are. And then you realize that you're a fucking idiot and it's actually just a pizza place and then you go to jail for it, you know? Like, one day I'll expose what's really going on in the basement of the Denver airport, but I can't do it publicly anymore. Our people are going to think I'm crazy. Anyway, Luke, we got to get out of here before the sponsors cancel our show.

Luke, I did want to bring up quick as a, to plug my Eddie Alvarez interview. And by the way, it was a bigger news announcement for one championship than we realize. It's not just that April 7 card, which is a Wednesday night, 10 p.m. Eastern on TNT, where both Demetrius Johnson and Eddie Alvarez will be. You know, look, there's a big move for one. It's live primetime in the U.S., but it's going to be a series of Wednesday night shows throughout April, which is interesting, but Eddie's getting a lot of hate here from my interview where he says even at 37, he's the guy to beat Habib.

Luke, everyone says that, right? I know. So how I formed the question, just to be fair here, is I said, look, you knocked out Gaethje and he got destroyed by Habib. You had close fights with Dustin and he got destroyed. You had a fight with Conor and Conor got destroyed. What would happen if Eddie would have gone in there? And by the way, it could have been Eddie and Habib at UFC

205 in 2016. Luke, he still believes that he's the guy because he's not great in any category, he says, but he's pretty damn good across the board. And he did reference the Gleison-Tibau fight in which Tibau didn't get the credit.

BC, when I think of very relevant fights, I think of the Gleison Tebow fight. You know what I mean? Well, the judges didn't give him the respect he may have deserved, Luke. I don't know about his bloodstream, but he may have deserved. What, 2012, 2013? I'm sure. Anyway, Luke, let's forget about this version of Eddie who's one in one in one hey my daughter's having a fucking meltdown like Godzilla and King Kong right outside my door despite

repeated entries to my family for them to stop that yeah put the ducks on the tv you know it'd be fine Luke do you do you give any credence to 2016 Eddie Alvarez being the guy that maybe could have done this no fuck no I mean. I mean, 2016, you mean? Yeah, I mean, 37-year-old Eddie's not going to do it. I'm sorry. He's not going to do it, all right? No, dude, no one was going to do it. No one in this era was going to do it.

I mean, you fight a guy 100 times. Could you get a couple of wins along the way? Yeah, sure. I mean, it's not a 100% chance he wins every single fight, every single time, every single night, if you expose enough, if you have enough opportunities to do it but like in general you know who's who's up here who's down there habib was the best fighter of his generation in his weight class and it's not especially close and it's not especially controversial i can understand why fighters say this i mean the a they probably believe it right

you got i mean you can't go to me like i can't beat that fucking guy you know i mean you have to believe you can beat him and so they're going to say that and you know um in terms of asking questions it's sort of a fun way to go about having an interview i suppose so you're going to get these responses but like just sort of taking a step back here you know just sort of ask yourself what your most prized possession is, like whatever that is, your house, your car. I mean, physical possession, not like some sort of hypothetical thing or theoretical. So let's say my house, right? Would you bet your house on Eddie Alvarez in 2016 to beat Nurmagomedov?

I sure as fuck wouldn't. I would absolutely pick him to win, and I pick him to win just about every time. If I lose the house, okay, I lose the house okay I lose the house but I like my chances on Habib and keep my home look final note on one and again look you know we've we've we've razzed on that organization plenty of times but we've also you know I mean we left out a little bit of hope if they can bring this to the U.S. and excite us so we're not chasing some stream and they can put on fights we care about, they can carve a niche. If you were looking for more front yard workout equipment and you went on Facebook Marketplace

and you saw, damn, this is a great-ass deal. Holy crap. The guy will ship it to me too, but then you see the seller's name is Shatri Sityongtong. What do you do? You know, I'd make sure I buy through PayPal because it would be easier to get a refund that way. I was actually tweeting about it today. I was going through the One Championship YouTube channel.

And I guess in October they put out this, like, hagiographic video over him, over Chachere. And, like, there are parts of his life where, you know, his family lost all their money. And his mom had to move into his dorm room in college for a time. I'm sure that there is a lot to be said for that about having a hardscrabble background and using it to fuel success. Okay, fair enough. But they really sort of dig into that, number one.

Second of all, they just go on to make a series of claims that are just totally refuted by actual real reporting with numbers, with data, with documents, with testimonials that doesn't in any way show what they're showing. It's like, dude, everything from this company, everything. They had fights that came out today. Rougaroug won. The guy from Lamb Wrestling in Senegal was amazing.

And there was a bunch of other stuff that came out that was pretty cool. Like, their product of all products, BC, is actually the best situated to compete because of how unique their rule sets are and how unconstrained they are by athletic commissions. And yet, everything they do is so mired in myth and exaggeration. Frankly, outright falsehoods and some mix of everything else in between you just it's hard to know what you're getting at any given time i like their rule set i think it's good i like the diversity and how they have fights with rings and cages and this size glove and that size glove i think it's fun what they do but they are just utterly unreliable people

in every way yeah i mean that's that's that's that's not it's it's harsh but it might be fair all right more to come we'll see uh luke speaking of potentially unreliable people hey big news this week this isn't our rundown famed or is it infamous referee mario yamasaki has announced he has intentions to re-enter an MMA cage in 2021. In an interview with MMA Fighting, Luke, he said he hasn't worked about, of course, since February 3rd, 2018 in Brazil. He's waiting for the pandemic to be over so he can start applying to athletic commissions again. And he says, maybe not the UFC, but Bellator, PFL, ShFL Shudo other promotions so I can be back in this sport it's going to be up to the

athletic commissions to accept me and license me and start giving me fights to referee and quote Luke this is almost Mazagati territory in terms of someone who draws the ire of one Dana White did Yamasaki in his exit did he get a bad deal is it is it overblown that this guy could end up killing a man I like the heart weird thing he does I like that fake Instagram or Twitter account with his name on it what are your thoughts on all things Mario Yamasaki yeah

my thought on this round yeah look I'm actually a little bit more welcoming of his return than others. I saw Michael Chiesa, who obviously had to deal with Mario when Mario made the stoppage in the Kevin Lee fight, which to this day, probably not one of his better stoppages, no matter what side of the aisle you're on. Mario is obviously Brazilian, but I know him and his brother really well. They lived in D.C. for decades. Him and his brothers are institutions here. They have multiple Yamasaki academ lived in D.C. for decades. Him and his brothers are institutions here. They have multiple Yamasaki academies in D.C., Maryland, and Virginia.

I know a lot of the black belts who teach at these places. Here's the thing about Mari Yamasaki that a lot of people lose sight of. One, in terms of his contribution to the martial arts in this country, I don't know about Brazil, but I would assume it's something kind of similar. Dude, he's done a lot. He has been very, very instrumental in spreading jiu-jitsu here in being a part of the infrastructure to get more tournaments and to help you know with law enforcement that kind of a thing like him and his brother have done a lot there that doesn't have anything to do with the question about how he is as a referee

but this idea that he's some fucking terrible person, like I don't, sorry, no, he's not. He has made some really regrettable decisions, I think. But here's my point, BC, and I wonder if you agree with it. He took time away, which I think was probably necessary. When he, he made many mistakes, but when he was in the Priscilla Cachoeira-Shevchenko fight, he not only let it go too long, but he made the mistake of, I mean, this is why I like referees talking to the media because you actually get a real keen understanding of what someone thinks. His reasoning for letting it go on was that he wanted her to go out like a warrior, which is like barbaric, has nothing to do with the rule set. I mean, it was a red flag of all red flags. He had no choice but to stop at that point.

You're going to be a danger to somebody. But what I will say is this. I don't know what he's been doing. But if you take time off. And then you recommit yourself. To additional training. And then we'll start you off on a smaller show. Chuteau Brazil.

You know maybe some Bellator undercard or something. Really recommit to the process. We talked about with Conor McGregor, it's not the same thing, but this idea of how committed are you when you stumble to taking a step back and reteaching yourself and relearning and getting best practices down again

and really just perfecting the craft. If he is interested in something like that, I believe he is deserving of a second chance yeah yeah interesting um so dana destroyed him of course after that that shevchenko fight you mentioned um it was interesting in his quotes luke in the mma fighting interview where he said basically anywhere but ufc what do you read out of that that he just sort of doesn't want the the derision that he'll face by coming back? Because it's weird, because look, again, I say this is Mazzagati territory,

because that's the guy Dana hated the most, only Mazzagati's never really gone away. He's not refereeing anymore, but he does work for the Nevada State Commission, so he's cage-side at so many big UFC fights, wearing the referee shirt, kind of like working the clock and all that, Luke, one of those ringside officials. I'd love to see the interactions between him and Dana. But if you're Mario and you want to do this, dude, go right back into the UFC. Redeem yourself. No?

Nah, I mean, maybe eventually. I mean, what I would say is if I was him and you took the time away, I would go to some kind of new certification course right just get back out there you might know a lot of it but there might be some things you just need to resharpen really become a student of refereeing again and then again as I mentioned start slow shoot oh some of the LFA something like that and then as that begins to get better if you've really shown like wow man, Yamasaki really is so much better than he was before,

then I think you could open yourself up to the conversation of UFC because if you just go right back to UFC without really proving you've made a change, you're going to be subject to unfair scrutiny. That could fuck you up and get in your head. The last thing you want to do is bring that to a fight. You got to bring calmness.

You got to bring assuredness, decisiveness, knowledge. You got to bring those things to bear as a referee in a fight. And if you're not ready to do that, this is not the place to begin to experiment with that. So prove yourself. And you know, if he gets to a point where more is warranted, well then more is warranted. And if not, maybe, listen, maybe he can have a second career as just doing some of the smaller stuff without incident. That wouldn't be the worst thing in the world either. It doesn't always have to be the most grandiose heights. It just needs to be where you can do a capable job.

Let's see where that is. Yeah, I mean, look, if he's just doing it for the love of the sport, then do it wherever they'll have you. But, you know, I was once featured in a disparaging video put out by the UFC taking down the media, and I'm going to waltz right back into an arena one day, Luke. Full-on billionaire strut, all right? Mazzagati and I are going to walk right up to Dana and be like, how you like me now, you old bitch?

Right? Okay, okay. I actually don't think you're going to do that, but I would love to see it. God, I got fired up right there. All right, Luke, speakingew. God, I got fired up right there. All right, Luke, uh, speaking of interesting headlines. Um, so UFC fighter, is he Bantamweight fighter or featherweight?

Casey Kenny, Bantamweight fighter, correct? Bantamweight. He's going to be fighting, uh, Dominic Cruz. Yes.

Good call. He was on a, uh, Sean O'Malley's podcast, I believe, which had some wild topics, including, uh,

heroin and other things. And eventually they got around the topic of uh would you smash UFC featherweight women's fighter Megan Anderson and Kenny was uh didn't like the idea then they did some very you know guy talk and it got out to the internet Luke quicker quicker by the way than my slamming of your interest in risen uh but this is much more serious luke in a lot of ways because then megan anderson saw it and she tweeted uh you know not only her dislike of of the terms in in the conversation but uh you know the whole idea of a co-worker talking about another co-worker and oh by the way this guy's on the next card i'm

fighting when i take on amanda nun. Luke, there's lines, right? And look, sometimes I've been an absolute goofball for the sake of comedy and gotten near those lines. And it would have been very regrettable, Luke. And it was with the whole Japanese MMA thing when people misinterpreted me jumping over those lines when I necessarily wasn't. So maybe we all have to pull back here in a lot of ways luke um all i know is that i hope we can learn from this situation but this is pretty disappointing across the board your thoughts yeah this is interesting this one is different this one is is somewhat unique as a story because first of, let's be clear about something.

They don't enforce it, and whether they should or they shouldn't is entirely a matter of a separate debate for a different show. But, like, by the UFC's code of conduct, such that it exists, and it does, and it apparently is still on the books, although, you know, if you have a sign that says $65 an hour for a speed limit and no one ever enforces it, is that really the speed you know but a different case to be made uh by the code of conduct what he did is absolutely a problem uh against it and enforceable by punishment um so to be clear about that you're like oh well you know did he break any rules technically yes now i don't think the ufc is

going to do anything about it other than maybe have a call with him. But it really gets to this really interesting case, BC, about a couple of things. One, what should you be allowed to say on a podcast without reproach? What do people really say in private versus public? What can you say about someone who you essentially work with? I mean, to call them co-workers is a little bit of a strain because they're independent contractors, but they are all, I mean, you can be independent contractors and you can still be co-workers. You don't necessarily have to both be employed as that designation by the person paying

your checks for that to be a situation that you couldn't necessarily tolerate or would want to tolerate or want to give any justification to. Here's what I would say about it, BC. I think it's kind of interesting. On the one hand, I think mostly I side with Megan. I mean, you're going to put out something for public consumption. It's not a private conversation anymore. People are like, oh, that's how guys talk. Well, that's true.

That is how a lot of guys talk. I've been in and around enough locker rooms and around other dudes to know in private conversations is how they do it, but you're not having a private conversation, are you? You are asking the world to tune in, and when you do, the world's going to have something to say about it. That changes the equation immediately, number one. The second thing I would say, though, is what I do find kind of interesting is there's not really a defense to it. But you could have this conversation on this podcast about women in this way as long as you didn't work with them. Now, people might tune in and say you're disgusting and you're a pig and you're rude. But the reason why he gets in trouble here, I think, is because you brought it in-house. If you were having a conversation, for example, about female rappers or just artists or actresses, again, the conversation might be lewd and lascivious and gross, right?

All those kinds of things about what you want to say about it. But I don't think you'd get into this kind of trouble. The reason this is in trouble is you crossed two boundaries. One, it was disparaging about a coworker, and not in a way that's like, I'm going to fight this guy, about just unnecessarily just spraying the block. And two, there's sort of gender issues in the workplace here, and it's just that, it's the workplace.

I think that's what really makes this like the trifecta of fail well i think what escalated this luke and look is the whole thing inappropriate yes especially on a public forum and then look spin it back on me luke is is he bought sneaky i think i said that once well yeah she is okay but uh should i be talking about that probably not but luke i think it was that that kenny was negative right that that that's what made it the all the worst and pushed it out to the masses because you know they asked if he would smash and he yeah but i don't think that's true either i mean if he was like i'll say i'm not saying if he would have been like hell yeah i would that it's any better but i don't think it gets out there if he was like, you know, oh, absolutely. She's a beautiful coworker, right?

No, because he was like, not, no, no, not my, no, no, right? Because of that, then suddenly you really double down on how misogynistic this is and that this conversation shouldn't be taking place. I don't know if I buy that. I mean, I buy a little bit. I buy the idea that because it was negative, it amplified it in ways that maybe if it was positive. By the way, when we say positive, it's still negative, which is to say you're still talking about how you want to fuck or not fuck a coworker. Dude, like maybe shelve that one for not when the thing is hitting the record button.

That's just me thinking out loud. But okay, yes, the fact that he was like, you know, I don't want to fuck her. She's the grossest thing since blah blah blah blah uh yes that certainly maybe uh exacerbated it a little bit but dude if he had gotten on there and been like yeah dude i'd fuck her brains out and blah blah blah blah and said all this like really you know very graphic things that still would have been a bad and b i think that still would have gotten him in trouble. The fact that he answered it in any kind of a way other than no comment and then like, okay, how about this? If he had been like very passive about it, you know, either, eh, she's attractive, you know, whatever, or she's not attractive or whatever, maybe not a big deal.

But if you go into detail in a negative way, like you don't want to, or detail in a positive way, again, which is, again, dude, you can't in the workplace be like, yeah, I want to fuck my coworkers. Yeah, you're right. You can't do that. You can't, yeah. So, yeah, you're right. I mean, I can't be like, hey, you think our producer Maniche has a huge hog or not? I can't say things like that, Luke. I don't want to be part of those conversations. Yeah, I mean, you only want to have it about yourself, which makes it weird and kind of uninteresting but also probably safe for public consumption uh as a general rule gentlemen of the

world you want to stay out of trouble don't talk about how you would or would not fuck your co-workers on your wildly or at least you know at least public fucking podcast maybe don't do that but i will say bc and i've gotten in trouble on it a little bit on my radio show like guy talk which kind of went the way the dodo bird by virtue of some of the problems that like opie and anthony had where they were like having people bang in a church um you know a lot of guys in private do talk this way i think it that should be acknowledged and also would it have been as bad if they had been like, you know, because Michael Kiesa and I have a very playful thing going where we're like, who was a bigger teen heartthrob? The girl who played Topanga or the girl who played Kelly Kapowski.

We've never gotten into a whole lot of trouble about that. But I think it's because we were like talking about as, you know, pimply faced teens. Who's prettier? I mean, there's a look. Seriously, there's a difference between soft and hardcore, and even in terms of jokes, who's prettier or even stupid me

going, oh, she's kind of sneaky. That's different than would you smash, right? I mean, there are lines. There are levels. I remember when the World Cup was around for the last one, the Italian team, the men's Italian team, they all had Hugo Boss do their photo shoot before they left for the tournament.

Or no, Italy was out of it. Man, what team was it? It wasn't Italy. It was, I don't know, Argentina maybe, whatever. Some team where all the dudes are handsome. And I saw a bunch of women on Twitter talking very sexually suggestive about it. And I really asked myself, you know, dudes do this kind of thing, but would the standard be the same for men?

And sort of I asked myself, you know, I don't know what the answer to that question is. I tend to stay away from most of that stuff just as an abundance of caution. I don't think, I think there's a way to thread a needle where, again, if they're not coworkers, which completely eliminates the situation, and you're talking about the opposite sex, there is a way to gently have a conversation about the level of attractiveness and to what extent you respond to that.

But you've got to be very delicate with it. You've got to be kind of minimal with it. And you're definitely, definitely not a good look to do it about hey you know jenny who takes the calls at the front of the office dude i'm trying to fuck that this weekend putting that on fucking podcast like it's just the level of risk management there yeah you know not great you might want to get a patreon or cancel room service diaries luke before something bad happens, all right? Okay, Luke, thank you.

This is why when you ask me, hey, is so-and-so sneaky, I'm like, try to just move around it, bro. Try to just not step on that landmine. You don't have to step on landmines. You can just walk around them. It's pretty easy. Okay, okay. Let me just go on the record, though, and say you are my co-worker.

Wouldn't smash you, Luke. All right, Luke, our last topic of the week is an actual fight this Saturday, depending on your level of interest in it. PBC on Big Fox, IBF super middleweight champion and the unbeaten possible future star, depending on your belief in him, Caleb Plant against another tough out and another Caleb in Caleb Truax. Who the heck's Caleb Truax? Look, he's a former sort of tough out journeyman boxer who had his moment in 2017

when he went to England and upset James McGale to win the championship in a fantastic performance. They had the rematch shortly after that, a very close fight again in which Caleb Truax lost. Now, later in his 30s, Luke, this is sort of his last big moment to go for it. There's been some good trash talk between these two on Twitter going back a few years now. The Caleb Bowl is finally happening. I think the key sort of interest is really moving forward. If Caleb Plank gets past this, Luke,

and this is a tougher matchup than he has enjoyed of late. And what I mean by that is Caleb Plank came out, won his title in early 2019 against Jose Uzcategui in a very fun fight. He took some damage. He showed you the toughness. Caleb Plank has incredible footwork, quick hands. I'm a big fan of his future. But Al Heyman and PBC very much gave him the prop him up matchmaking treatment after that.

He took on the Subway guy Mike Lee. He took on some guy named Feigenboots. He took on a lot of fights where he was propped up to absolutely dominate. I'm not here to tell you Caleb Truex is a upset special on Saturday, but it is a tougher matchup to set up for the future, which is Caleb Plant looking to unify, looking to take on a David Benavidez, looking to get into the Canelo sweepstakes.

Luke, be honest here. Would you have any interest in this on Saturday? No. I mean, minimal interest. You're big on Caleb Plant, so I will watch for that reason. If you're wondering about the odds, you can find Plant around anywhere

from minus 5,000 to minus 10,000 as a favorite that gives you any indication. 10,000? Bro, 10,000? Yeah, Truex is anywhere from about a plus 2200 to a plus 3,000, depending on where you want to look. Yikes. So not a competitive bout.

I mean, if you don't know anything about it, it's like you've got Truex inside fighter to some extent, you know, smother you volume guy just makes it gritty and grimy where a plant is a lot more finesse. And certainly the better boxer of the two. Plant really hasn't beaten anyone to my mind with a big name. So honestly, here's what's interesting about this. You've got Canelo who has to fight Yildirim in, I guess, February. And then the idea is, by recent reports,

Saunders in May, which would leave his September fight open. And you're thinking Caleb Plant might do that. But if I was Plant, man, I think David Benavidez is the forgotten guy in this division. I would love to see that matchup. I don't know if there's any interest or possibility for it, but it'd be kind of fun. But it's like this particular fight this weekend, this is a shit main event.

We should just say it. It's not interesting. It's a setup for bigger things, which unfortunately in boxing you get often. It's sort of like I have to watch this watered down fight to get me excited about the potential of a future fight. It's the king of stocking stuffers, bro. It's the king. Yeah, this is a stocking stuffer fight.

You get to see a world-class guy and kind of judge how he'd do in the future. I will say, though, if Plant falls out of the Canelo sweepstakes, you're right. The Benavidez fight is the fight to make. Perfect style matchup. And, oh, by the way, they really don't like each other in this footage online of Plant getting into a beef with both Benavidez brothers because his brother Jose, who, excuse me, was stopped by Terrence Crawford a couple years back. They don't fool around in the Benavidez family.

So I hope we build to that. Hey, there's nothing else going on in sports this weekend. I'll be checking out the Caleb Bowl to find out what's going on. Also, I'll say this. One last thing. We covered it live. We did the Showtime weigh-ins for Benavidez's last fight where he lost his title on the scales. Dude, that was a damaging moment for him.

He became forgotten after that, and it really kind of surprised me. In 168, Plant was asked who could you face next if, in fact, Canelo has two fights in front of him and you want to stay busy. People asked him, Benavidez is out there, blah, blah, blah. But, like, most of the people were like, oh, I'll just wait until September or maybe the Charlos will come up.

Like, the idea that, like, Benavidez is a figure that you got to tangle with. He represents this division, blah, blah, blah. Like, I know that you know and then the real fans know Benavidez is an absolute handful when he's on. But, like, losing your title on the scales and the performance was good, you know, and then the real fans know, Benavidez is an absolute handful when he's on. But losing your title on the scales and the performance was good, but Jesus, man, he really suffered major, not damage, but he just became invisible after it. Yeah, and the problem is it's the second time he's lost a title without losing in the ring.

The first time when he had that bad test for cocaine and he had to kind of regulate where he's at in his life. He's young, he's big, he's aggressive, in and out of the ring the first time when he uh had that bad test for cocaine and he had to kind of you know regulate where he's at in his life he's young he's big he's aggressive in and out of the ring uh yeah he's got to come back with a big win luke to to get our attention i think he's uh i saw a rumor that he's going to be in there against ronald ellis coming up which is a it's a good bout it's a good bout it's a it's a tough bout but uh yeah i want to see him against i want to see everybody against the best luke i love that final. Final quick note on Caleb Truax. I always have a soft spot for him because he is – you know, he's a guy who was at a certain level, and then he made that leap and won the title, and he's very friendly on social media.

I always call him Boxing Twitter's own Caleb Truax because he's kind of like a regular dude. He's one of us. Luke, he has his own beer out there. There's a local brewery in Minnesota which has grown leaps and bounds since the two of them first started doing business called Lupulin, and they make an eight-count IPA, which has a picture of him on the cover of the can. He was involved in the brewing process and all of that, and it's a good story that's blown up pretty big

because although I don't have access to Lupulin on the Northeast, apparently across the Midwest it's making some moves. So if you can check out the 8-count IPA, you can support our guy, Caleb Truax. Luke, it's time. Last thing, I've noticed you have a soft spot for grinders. You know what I mean? Those guys who just have these rough fights one after the other, phone booth guys. You have a real, you know, those are your people.

Right, they are my people because those are hard scrabble people who represent the factory town image luke and really maybe maybe they were tabbed for greatness all along but they didn't realize it for a while luke because of the realities of their surroundings but they still made it i believe i don't i believe in your talent you know that you don't got to convince me, but you're trying to suffocate my talent often, Luke. Oh, is that what I'm trying to do? I'm trying to suffocate your bad jokes, not your abilities. No, I mean, look.

Look, there's art flying out. Hey, Luke, I just took a painting. I just finished my first painting. I don't know if I should show it on air. Show it. Yeah, fuck yeah, show it. I want to see that thing. Let me see it.

It was very experimental. It was late at night, but maybe next week I'll unveil it. No, fuck that. You cannot bring that up and not show it to us. Let me see. No, I don't want to get derided. Right in the early point of my career where I'm really letting my art speak for itself, Luke. Okay, all right.

Give me some chance here. All right, all right. But you've got to show it eventually. You can't do that to us. I'll show it next week. I guarantee you I'll show it next week. Luke,'s time for um you want to see luke get mad it's time for your favorite segment and it is called dead raw listen listen all i ask is if you're gonna say i'm wrong please be right it's a very it's i feel like it's a very fair standard you

know what i mean look uh don't say wrong shit. Well, Luke, some people, I think, are right in saying, Luke, just take the damn L already. They're not right. I went through. Are we going to bring up this fucking Brazil thing again, or should we leave it alone? Stop trying to backdoor with your legal east and your William and Mary sweatshirt and try to, you know, no, Luke, take the damn L. And that's the point of this segment, by the way. Take the L when there's an L. We don't take ourselves so seriously, Luke, that, you know, we say a lot of shit into the ethos and sometimes it's wrong okay

luke all right here we go with the first one uh this surrounds eddie alvarez here's a message from one of our viewers bc fyi eddie alvarez lost his one championship debut to timothy nasty you can right not so you can via tko but he he did beat Edward Furlong of Terminator fame via rare naked choke in his last one match. I think you may have confused the two when discussing Mighty Mouse's one championship title fight. So I had the win and the loss flipped, according to this viewer, Luke.

I don't really watch much. He beat Edward Foliang, who's, I think, Filipino, out of Team Lakai. Second of all, what happened to Edward Furlong? Dude, that boy had one role, the role of a lifetime in T2, and then nothing. Luke, could you back me up on this? My kids and I were flipping through the movie potentials because we watched Con Air, I told you. We're ready for the next action movie step-up, and Terminator 2 popped up.

I'm like well hold on we should probably watch t1 first we have to find it and i was trying to explain to them when t2 launched i was in eighth grade went with my dad on saturday afternoon luke that thing was like so damn ahead of its time as an explosive next level futuristic almost action movie with some of the greatest cinematography and soundtrack and like i mean it was just in your damn face luke tell the people how instrumental that movie was to your youth terminator the original terminator was big but not you know not game changing per se it was it was don't get me wrong it was a Hollywood blockbuster Schwarzenegger at his peak blah blah blah it was all those things but T2 was the game changer T2 was the one where

whoever had heard and watched Terminator 1 it was like the Griffin Bonner where then you told everyone else around you did you fucking see this movie and it got to mothers and grandmothers and cousins and friends and coworkers. That was the run on the water cooler everyone talked about seeing. And dude, I'll even say to this day, obviously the graphics from T2, are they as good as the modern graphics? No. But I will say, even now, that movie holds up. You watch Terminator 2 now, it still holds up.

It's still interesting. It's still good that is an all-time one of the best action movies ever made in any language at any point and guns and roses off the use your illusion soundtrack getting you could be mine on there i mean it was just it was awesome luke and linda hamilton like she was in fucking linda hamilton was kind of like a bit of a delicate flower ish you know she hadn't taken the red pill in Terminator 1 until obviously everything went awry. In Terminator 2, dude, you see the fucking shape Linda Hamilton was in?

Yeah, yeah. She totally owned that role. There could never be another person to play that role except her. She's unbelievable. Good thing she's not one of our coworkers, Luke, so we can keep an eye on her. So, yeah, I'll take the L on Eddie Alvarez here on the misappropriation of his characters, but do encourage you just the same to check out the interview in which he says,

look, he sent Michael Chandler to hell. Luke, he revealed in that interview that before Chandler signed with the UFC, Eddie called Chandler and said, look, let's do that trilogy, bro. And he says Eddie didn't want nothing to do with it. I mean, well, he had bigger fish to fry in the moment, Alvarez. I'm sorry. I mean, I understand Eddie's point. And like a third fight would have been cool.

But, you know, if you're Michael Chandler, you know, I understand pulling that trigger on the UFC. So, you know, just something we'll just never get, I guess. All right, Luke, your boy BC was dead wrong again when talking about Monte Cristo sandwiches. You asked me what was in them, and in the moment I was struggling. I mentioned rye bread. Here's a message from our viewer.

BC is a Cumbie's hot dog eating Philistine, so I'm not particularly surprised he doesn't know what a Monte Cristo is, but that shit is 100% not made with rye bread. It's a ham and Swiss cheese sandwich dipped in egg and cooked like French toast. If you make it with rye bread, you are a domestic terrorist and should be flogged with MK mugs. I don't know who sent that message in, but that's hilarious. Luke, I've eaten plenty of Monte Cristos in my life. What sandwich am I confusing it with? The one with the rye bread. It's kind of like it, but it's different.

The one with the corned beef and like a thousand island dressing yeah ruben ruben okay sorry sorry to jay and his tribe the ruben is what i was talking about i love the elements of the ruben i hate the rye bread monte cristo sandwiches on the other hand do kick a lot of ass can i tell you i don't know if i've ever had a monte cristo i don't think i have oh but i don't eat ham so i don't know if i'll ever had a Monte Cristo. I don't think I have. But I don't eat ham, so I don't know if I'll ever have one. Would you ever do, what's that Disney cartoon where each dog had an end of the spaghetti? I would like to be on the other end of your Monte Cristo. Well, we won't meet in the middle. That's kind of awkward. Lady and the Tramp? Yeah, there we go. There we go.

Okay. Just to have you experience it, Luke. Okay. Maybe that was weird and awkward. I mean, I'm going to report you to HR for that one, but okay. All right. All right. Let's move on for more L's here. Apparently, Michael Chandler knocked out Conor McGregor, according to BC, on Have You Seen This Shit on Monday. Someone emailed me about this.

I don't remember you saying that. Either do I, but obviously I was referring to UFC 257 when Michael Chandler made his UFC debut and knocked out Dan Hooker. I probably mentioned McGregor because all them lightweights were filling my brain at the moment, Luke. Okay, I'll take the damn L. Okay, that might have been more a misspeaking than an L, but all right, I appreciate your spirit of accepting.

Well, you know, my thing is I'm going to believe the viewer because, Luke, we're nowhere without these viewers. I know you want to live and die over not saying Ronaldo even though there's video proof of it. There's not, but okay. Luke, do you want to have a retort on that? Do you want to speak to the people? This is one of those things where if you even bring it up,

you automatically just take the L by default. So it's like, all right, people are going to believe what they want to believe. You're claiming the video that we ran on Wednesday's Facebook. You asked me for a retort. May I give it very quickly? Yes, please. Very quickly? Please.

$500 to the person who can find me before that video ever calling Cristiano Ronaldo anywhere in audio form, Ronaldo. $500, I'll PayPal you overnight. That's not what they were talking about, bro. They were talking you overnight now don't that's not what they were talking about bro they were hold on let me fit bc that's exactly what they were talking about i'll explain it to you if you let me retort what you offer to do very simply find any moment before that video uh where i was just reading the the the instagram shit where i do that there has never been a point where i thought he was portuguese and there's never been a point where i ever called him ronaldo other than to note BC, do you know what they call Randy Couture in Brazil?

This is true. Handy Couture. They call him fucking Handy Couture. That is a real thing that they have. I've heard them actually do it. So that's not me calling them that. But if I say they call Randy Couture Handy Couture in Brazil, am I calling him handy couture? No, I'm acknowledging in a different country, that's what they say.

Do you know the Germans don't call themselves German or use that word at all to describe themselves? If I articulate that, am I calling them something different or am I acknowledging that's what a different language does? If you go back and listen, if you want to be interested in good faith interpretations and actual literalism of things, I note that's what they say in Brazil, not what I say here or any other place.

This is easy if you have listening comprehension skills, but if you want to force an L where one doesn't exist, you can try. 500 bucks. This was a much sober, intelligent reaction to this. you've just presented yourself for the first time on this topic as maybe right maybe maybe it was uh what's

that guy's name who sent you to hell on wednesday uh applesauce mcgee fuckface yeah exactly uh you know i thought he was brilliant in his execution but maybe you maybe you were right all along i did say it i did say it in the sense of this is what they say in Brazil, but, dude, I've literally never done it in my life. Hand to God on my mother's grave. Look at me. I'm looking at you right now. All right, let's not go there.

On my mother's grave, I've literally never. 500 bucks. 500 bucks to the person who can find it. All right. Much love to Mrs. Thomas. We don't have to go there on this one, Luke. You did take an L, though, in eight days ago when you and I did the Conor McGregor resume review, and I sort of threw out there,

hey, wasn't that crazy McGregor-Aldo promotional tour ahead of UFC 189 when he ended up fighting Mendes? You thought maybe it was after. Here's the message from our fan. Luke was wrong about the Conor-Aldo press tour leading into UFC 189. That was the eight cities five countries in 12 days mania in preparation for that fight unfortunately aldo got injured we all know

what happened with mendez there was another smaller tour for their actual fight ahead of ufc 194 luke you're gonna take that l i'll take the l you know what i totally forgot about that i will god no wonder that was that's why it was so devastating when uh mendes had to fill in on last minute notice because they put all that you know what i'll take the l i did i completely forgot totally and i think i i think i took your recommendation that i was wrong and ran with it yes so i think all of that stuff happened in front of 189 stealing the belt doing the favelas bit. And I think that's what fueled, in hindsight, Conor saying, you know, if Aldo comes back at 194, if he shows up to fight him. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That's right.

You're right. You're right. I'll take the L. I fucked that up. Very nice. Very nice. All right. So also, Luke, they're coming at you again.

Luke got Tyron Woodley's losses in the wrong order the other day on MK. He lost to Gilbert Burns. And then Colby Covington. You think I didn't know that shit? Not the other way around, like Luke stated. I mean, is that really an L that I'm reading them not in consecutive order, but that I'm stating that they existed?

Did I say that those were in consecutive order? That's the only way those would be wrong. If I said, he lost in this order, I just was listing the ones that came to mind. They don't want to be learned. BC through the BC. Is it not true that like doing this job? Sometimes it's like hard to recall information.

And sometimes you'll do it with a pocket here and a pocket there. And then you have to kind of trace the steps back in your mind. It does happen. It really does. Luke. I mean, look, as we learned in the Risen debacle,

everything you say on this show can and will be used against you. All right. In the spirit of the, I think it's a bullshit one, but I'll take it. I'll take it. All right. We got one more, Luke, and it's all about Bosu balls from Have You Seen This Shit on Monday.

With that out of the way i write you says this viewer to contribute with your to your dead wrong segment in the ufc 257 instant reaction pod you mentioned someone having a bosu ball turned upside down you can't turn a bosu ball upside down bosu is an acronym for both sides up or both sides utilized. Luke, what the hell is a BOSU ball? What are we doing here? It's a plastic tray, so to speak, in a circle, and then half of a, like a, those big giant balls you can sit on, right?

So it's sort of like a half-inflated ball with a plastic tray. Did not know BOSU stood for that. This is definitely, of all the L's I'm going to take this week, this is the most unambiguous. This is straight up L. He is so right. Did not know this. Now, the reason why I said it was upside down was because if you've got just the plastic side, then the balloon on one other, if you flip it on just the plastic side, it's sturdy to the ground, right? It's like a surface touching another surface. If you flip it over and you've got the ball side to it, you know,

it's not sturdy, but there's handles on both sides for just that reason. I used to do push-ups off BOSU balls with the ball side to the ground, or you could put the flat side and you can do all kinds of ab exercises and core exercises. He's right. They're not the same side. It's not equivalent on

either side, but there is no such thing as upside down. Didn't know BOSU stood for that. He's right. They're not the same side. It's not equivalent on either side, but there is no such thing as upside down. Didn't know BOSU stood for that. He's correct. That's the L I have to take. You know what was most uncomfortable as a teenager in a gym where I didn't belong? I'm wearing gloves. I don't want to be there.

Is again, when that stereotypical blowhard guy who screams and wears short shorts and that large tank top and when he would call me over to spot him when he's putting up like 475 and i've got arms half the size of this luke is the fact that my bosu balls would be so close to his face during this transaction luke i don't want to be there at all yeah i i normally don't do that on uh they've they've changed the way that the modern bench uh if you get like a really nice bench rack you don't do that on a, they've changed the way that the modern bench, if you get like a really nice bench rack, you don't have to deal with it as much. But this is why it's like, dude, I'm going to get a spotter on like incline bench or,

you know. Yeah. You know, something like that where I'm not even going to do like lateral raises where the guy gets behind you, you know, like the scene from Ghost, you know, your dick to butt. He's like lifting your hands up to the side you know those are those are times when you can just maybe just do less weight you know this this feels too much like jail i didn't order the tossed salad you know what i mean look i don't i'm not here for that all right i feel you player let me yeah okay uh look there's only time left for uh one more thing on friday and it's a segment that we do when we can and it is called tip to

tip or just the tip or something involving a tip. I literally never know what this segment is called. So the whole point if you're new to this area is look we want to shout something out. We want to give a recommendation. We want to give advice. We want to give a tip of the cap to someone or

something out there. Luke can you go first here? Yes I saw two movies during the last week as I tried to recover from the last week of bodily destruction that BC and I undertook for utterly regrettable reasons. One was really good and one was not really good. One was good and one was indescribably bad. So you could put up both of the names on the screen if you want because I'll just go piece by piece here. Okay, so I'll go in order. Let's go with the one that was really bad.

Psycho Gorman. Now, I bring this up only because, you know, there's not a lot of movies that are coming out every week and you might be looking for something new to stream. And I was on Rotten Tomatoes and, you know, their ratings have just become utterly unreliable but this is the key it had good ratings especially good ratings from critics and even decent ratings from fans so i was like okay all right i'll give it a shot it

was a b movie you know not a b movie but like a independent movie it is the worst fucking movie i have ever seen in my life to the point where if I ever see the director in person, I promise to go to jail for fucking him up with brass knuckles on my fingers when we make contact. This guy doesn't deserve liberty or democracy. Send him to North Korea and never let us speak of him again. I could not fucking believe the reviews on this. And I thought, I was like, okay, you know what? It's going to be like clown penis dot fart says I love psycho Gorman. And then I went and looked, it was like variety magazine, Austin Chronicle. And they try

to tell you that it's satire of existing film genres. No, the fuck it is not. It is a failed satire of existing genres. There's no comedy, even though they try. Not an actor you've ever heard of. And I don't mind the fact that it had a cheap budget to try to play with that. In fact, I thought they did a pretty good job with most of it. I'm warning you, they might pitch this to you as like a movie

that's like, ooh, this is irreverent and fun. It's not irreverent. It's not fun. It's a giant waste of money. Don't ever see Psycho Gorman. And to anyone who made that movie, please, like Nermal in Garfield, get in a box and ship yourself to Abu Dhabi, please. The one that was actually a little bit better, actually a lot better, was Promising Young Woman

BC. Now, this one is a little cliche. There are parts of it you're like, you're kind of rolling your eyes a little bit. But I'll say this, You got to watch it till the end, and the way they make the movie twist by the time it's over, definitely worth your time. Now, if you buy it now, it's 20 bucks. I don't know that I would pay 20 bucks to go watch this, but once it goes on sale on streaming, where it's now just a few bucks to watch it, you're looking to kill a couple of hours, and it's got a decent ending, promising young woman, give it a shot. Well done, Luke. I regrettably have a second tip where I say the first 10 minutes of your live chat this week, Luke,

was a freaking debacle. Can you get a sound engineer on that, please? Yeah, well, you know, I am the sound engineer. But that's why there's always a debacle because i'm not a sound engineer i'm just trying to play i'm like the i'm the jake paul of sound engineers when i actually have to be a sound engineer you see what happens all right it sounded like in instrumental uh you know uh 70s rock there it sounded really weird speaking of that luke we all know i am going deep right now during this quarantine on a 70s vinyl record uh exploration of a decade i thought was largely forgotten

besides the big hitters stones uh zeppelin all that but now i'm going so deep luke and i'm going places i never thought i would be now stay with me here um i got little tastes of jazz rock through steely dan through some chic Dan, through some Chicago albums, through Jeff Beck's instrumental run in the late 70s, through even Joni Mitchell. And it really, in Joni Mitchell's jazz run, the Hegira album, on through some of the weirder stuff, it really opened my eyes to the idea of fusion, Luke. I knew I needed to really go next level. I'm not ready yet for the full leap. I thought into actual jazz,

but I discovered the jazz fusion band. That is the bridge for that. And a tip of the cap, not only to Joni Mitchell for employing many members of these bands during some of her jazz albums, but for one Canadian journalist, yes, Aaron Bronstetter for a vinyl connoisseur himself. And in expert on this, for pointing me out to a band that doesn't get any love anymore, Luke, called Weather Report.

I specifically picked up Black Market, which has a regrettable cover based on race relations, and Heavy Weather. heavy weather uh luke this is some of the most ambitious incredible jamming jazz rock fusion shit you ever imagined i got there because of jaco pastorius the greatest bass player of all time the fretless wonder the artist himself who did work with joni mitchell but what i discovered was you know wayne shorter on saxophone jo Joe Zwinnel on the keys, and this is just a bunch of elitist, genius artist instrumentalists who are constantly trying to one-up each other within each song with the back-and-forth play. Look, I'm not sophisticated enough in these categories

to really give you a full understanding of why this is awesome. But if you're a open-minded rock guy, you like a little fusion, you like a little jazz rock, and you're looking for a bridge to potentially get you into actual jazz, I'm in the middle of that transaction now. And Weather Report is banging. You put that shit on, it drives you up on your feet. And it's really taking me, Luke, into deeper crevices of my own understanding, into my own brain, taking these solo journeys into my, uh, Luke, I, again, I don't have the words to tell you what I'm feeling, but, uh,

I never knew this band existed. I never knew this kind of music was out there. They lied to us on classic rock radio throughout our lives about what was supposedly good and not. This ain't no cheesy yacht rock I'm trying to serve you up. If you got any sort of inclination into this area of music, Weather Report will blow your asshole in. Boring. Yeah, I don't care the fuck about that shit Steely Dan has a song called My Old School

where they reference William and Mary but it turns out it may not even actually be about William and Mary it may be about Bard College where the two donks met

so I don't even know why they would mention it but there you go fuck William and Mary fuck Thomas Jefferson alright fuck TJ he ain't what did he do own slaves you don't know shit didn't you tell me but there you go. Fuck William and Mary. Fuck Thomas Jefferson, all right? Fuck TJ. He ain't, what did he do?

Own slaves? You don't know shit. Didn't you tell me you went to the second oldest college in the history of this country? I did. It is the second oldest. Well, I went to the third oldest, Nogtuck Valley Community Technical College, Luke, all right?

No, buddy, you went to the oldest, the School of Hard Knocks. Don't you love that on Facebook? I'll see that. Some dude on Facebook, inevitably, you went to the oldest, the school of hard knocks. Don't you love that on Facebook? I'll see that some dude on Facebook, inevitably, you know, some donk who is mired in QAnon and wears a bandana unironically. And every time it says like education, so-and-so high school and then college, school of hard knocks. It's like, okay.

So is that your way of saying like, what exactly? It's my way of saying that i was um i was raised by factories luke you're like you know there was they got the old mythology wrong it was romulus and remus and and bc those are the three all drinking from the wolf's titties just like you thank you thank you that's our show for the week. Do you even know what I'm referencing? You know, I've been there a little bit, Luke. My brain doesn't work as fast as it used to. Okay, Luke, can you just let me off the hook here? Can you not?

Can you, you know, I'm going through a lot right now with this attempt to not be fat. Okay? Thank you. Thank you. Luke, that's our show for the week. Thank you for joining me. Please, a lot of great stuff out there. Showtime.com. Get your 30 days free.

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Luke, is the storm coming, though, so to speak, from big fights on the horizon? Yeah, I was looking at the UFC's calendar. They are going to get busy starting next week. I've got to say, I'm waiting for Bellator to get going. It's going to be February before they've had had anything so I guess I don't even know do we know when their first scheduled show is I don't think so and I think that's the same with Showtime boxing we know some kind of you know that you're hearing all the reports you're seeing all the things Broner's got a new opponent there's some big dates coming I want to be uh I want to hear that all

right let's do that yeah Jaron Ennis Jon ennis has his next fight coming up boots can't wait to see that you hear those rumors of the opponent sergey lippin that's that is a test and a half that's like why don't you come in my kitchen okay it's called hell let's let's let's find out how good you are we're firemen we live in the fire look are you a fan of teddy at' shameless crossover directly into MMA content? I mean, listen, as a guy who's trying to get into boxing, am I really in a position to tell Teddy Atlas what he can and can't do? That's a fair point. As a guy trying to get into jazz, who am I to tell you what to listen to?

I will say, listen, anybody, I always say this, people come to MMA or boxing or combat sports at different times in their life when they're ready. He appears to be quite ready for it. You know, is there some kind of careerist element to it? Maybe. But if he produces quality work, I've not seen anything recently, but if he produces quality work,

then who gives a damn? Ryan Garcia got a Gatorade deal, so shout out to that, Luke, okay? Let's get that back. Yeah, but like the GSP deal where it was only in canada you didn't see shit down here all right all right well i guess we're just gonna keep hating uh keep hating on everybody uh look the documentary the second documentary of uh of uh donkeymentary 2.0 is is in the works right now i don't have an active release date i'll have to follow that up but good, Luke, there was a lot of drama that week. Let's see how much they – let's see the size of their balls, right?

How much do you want to capture and put out into the world? Because we certainly gave. We gave – well, I gave. I gave a lot, Luke. Yes, you gave more than I did. That is true. This is more your project than it is mine. I sort of go along with it, but this is definitely – like all the the stuff about, like, here's my warmed-over takes on combat sports.

That's not really art, but this is a little bit closer to that, so we'll see how it goes. You mean just being yourself with a camera on you? Yeah, but you're not just being yourself. I mean, you were acting, you were setting up scenarios, shooting all kinds of B-roll. That's not being yourself. That's reality TV, which we know is fake. No, no. They said show up at this time and just art.

Yeah, but you didn't. You're being phony for the purposes of a Spinal Tap documentary. The question is, is it art in the end? Probably. All right. Okay. Well, we're going nowhere right now, Luke, so why don't we get out of here? For our great friends at Malka Showtime and CBS Sports, there are your social hooks on the bottom.

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