MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - 🚨 Jake Paul vs. Tyron Woodley Results | Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: August 30, 2021

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It is now, what day is it today? August? It's 30th, I guess, technically speaking Hello everyone, my name is Luke Thomas I am right here in Cleveland, Ohio, just blocks away from the Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse because Jake Paul versus Tyron Woodley is now in the books. It is official. And on this morning combat post-fight show hosted by me, Luke Thomas, Brian Campbell will be here momentarily. Right now, you can catch him on CBS Sports HQ, delivering some of the information there. He will come and join me.

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Here we go. Jake Paul has defeated Tyron Woodley. The official scores are a split decision, which frankly I did not understand at all. But okay, let me read them to you. 77-75 Paul, 77-75 Woodley, and then 78-74 Paul. Of course, giving Paul the split decision victory over Woodley. I have to tell you, my scorecard, I could find maybe three rounds for Tyron.

Not a whole lot more than that. I candidly don't understand the scorecard that has Woodley at 77-75. I'm looking at it here. I've got it up here for Tyron Woodley. They gave Tyron every round starting from round four on. It's Judge Phil Rogers. He gave Tyron Woodley none of the first three rounds. Obviously, Tyron won the fourth.

That's where he landed a huge shot. I think we can all agree with that. And then after that, rounds five, six, seven, and eight all went to Tyron Woodley. Don't frankly understand the scoring on that. But okay. What can we say about the fight? Well, I was in Miami for the Logan Paul and Mayweather fight. I see that online, and there's always an attempt online to like who can be the most cynical.

Believe me, there's plenty of negative things to say about this fight, and we will. But I think the first thing I would say is this was better, for sure. It was better promoted, and this was a better fight than Mayweather versus Paul. On the other hand, if you are an MMA fan, that had to be a little bit frustrating, especially after what you saw with Tyron in round four, because here's some things we could conclude based on what we saw. We knew ahead of time that Tyron had a big punch if he could land it, which we all knew there would be some issues with that, but provided he could score, it would have a big impact. I think that proved to be true. There were some questions about his

cardio, but I got to tell you, I thought Tyron showed up in shape. I think he took it seriously. In many ways, this was a big departure from the Ben Askren fight in terms of what the opponent was potentially offering him. But this is just the reality, and I think fans who understand where Tyron Woodley was at at the end of his career were kind of worried about whether this might surface. He just did not have enough volume for me. I don't have the CompuBox stats in front of me. I'll see if we can get them before the end of the broadcast. But there was just not enough effective volume on that. And there was a, the biggest takeaway I had from the fight beyond just that Tyron looked,

it looked to me like in preparation, he did a professional job. It looked to me like on the night of execution, there just wasn't enough there. I, this is a, we, the first thing beyond just the lack of volume is,

did you guys notice that Tyron had to lead the dance a lot? I don't think that was necessarily by choice for two reasons. One, when he had Jake Paul against the ropes, there was sometimes he was able to take advantage of it and score some big shots, especially in that round four. And by the way, in the post-fight interview with Ariel Helwani, he said, you know, the ropes kind of held him up. I don't necessarily think that that's wrong. That actually might be true, but still, the luck didn't work out necessarily in his favor. That was the first thing. He just wasn't really able to make an effective game plan out of the necessity that comes with

cutting someone off, controlling the space. The bigger piece, though, was Tyron Woodley, and I mention this in the pre-fight stuff as often as I could, in MMA, especially at the end, but this is true in large part throughout his career, he loved to back up. He liked to back up and liked for fighters to walk into his range. He was very good at judging distance that way. He was very good at judging timing that way. He was very good at level changing and creating a threat and then going over the top.

Did you notice every time he backed up, Jake wouldn't follow? That's why a lot of times when you watch two fighters go at each other, you'll kind of see them move together. You didn't see that here. There'd be wide spaces apart from them in certain reset moments because Jake and his team scouted Tyron well. They were not going to walk into any of those kinds of issues. So what they were trying to do was they were trying to get Tyron to reach. You notice a couple of times he had difficulty, more than a couple of times, I think throughout the course of the fight, I thought he had some difficulty closing the distance.

So he would go to the body jab, but he would get left check hook countered on that. He would go to the double jab overhand right, but a lot of times you could see Jake would see it coming. Jake had to do a lot of moving on the outside, I thought, which was going to be exhausting. He looked to me like he was gassing after round two, but the problem with what Woodley did was there were intermittent – I mean, Woodley was the one, in my mind,

introducing danger into the exchanges. It was really about whether – the check hooks were landing. There were some big punches. I don't want to say that Jake Paul didn't land some big punches. He definitely did. But it seemed to me like there was a stalking kind of danger element to what Tyron was trying to do. And they're just...

Even though Jake Paul had to move on the outside of an admittedly smaller ring, he was able to do it at, I'm not going to say a leisurely pace, but he was able to do it at, I'm not going to say a leisurely pace, but he was able to do it at enough of a relaxed pace such that I don't think that any fatigue issues that maybe could have presented themselves, they didn't from Woodley.

It was a bit of a frustrating effort from Woodley, if I can be candid. Again, I don't want to take away from him the good things that he did. And I'd be curious to get some of your scoring if you want to leave it for us, either in the comments or you can tweet me at LThomasNews in my pinned tweet in the comments there, what kind of score you had. But it was a, you know, it was a tale of two performances is not quite the right way to put it, but I'll give Tyron all the credit for what looked like an adequate, more than adequate, very professional, preparatory job.

But when it came time to build on the momentum, I see that the one judge, Phil Rogers, had rounds four through eight for Tyron Woodley. I frankly don't understand that scoring. There's only on the other judges after round four. Round four, clear round for Tyron, fine. The other judges gave Tyron, one of them gave Jaime Gallara,

no, Gallara, I don't want to mispronounce his name if I can avoid it. He gave Tyron rounds five and eight. And then the other judge, I can't read the handwriting here because it's all chicken scratch, but Dana something,

I can't read the last name, DiPaolo it looks like. They gave Tyron none of the rounds past round four. So one judge rounds five to nine, all Jake Paul. Another judge, six and seven to Paul, and then five and eight to Woodley. The other judge, four to eight, or at least five to eight, all Ty to Woodley. The other judge, 4-8 or at least 5-8 all Tyron Woodley.

Totally inconsistent scoring across the board. Truly. On the first three rounds, again, Tyron easy winner for round four. The first judge gave none of the rounds to Tyron. The second judge gave none of the rounds to Tyron. And the third judge

gave only the third round to Tyron. So a degree of unanimity there, but it's in the back half of the fight where all the scoring goes haywire. Now, the reality about the job that Tyron did in backing up Jake, the backing up is supposed to count, at least under the modern criteria, only insofar as it's truly effective.

But that's, I think, where things drop off. I would need to see the data to be more sure. But it just looked like to me that he didn't have enough volume to really change the behavior in terms of how Paul was circling and what choices he was making along the ropes. He had a lot of freedom to move. And it didn't wear him out because there wasn't enough volume. He didn't really slow him down with the body work. There was a lot of headhunting from Tyron. I did think that Tyron was, especially early,

you know, defensively responsible. Maybe even a little too defensive. But he was backing up. He was parrying shots to the body. The jab to the body, I thought Paul had a lot of trouble kind of getting going, especially early. A little bit later, he had a little bit more success with it, especially when he did it in combination.

The best combination that Paul had was a jab, then a right straight to the body, and then a left hook over the top. That was, I think, the most impressive combo, and that was the best way he could find his way in. He would occasionally catch Tyron with the timing. His jab was okay, but Tyron, man, the lack of volume there. I mean, this is the issue with what he did losing those four fights in the UFC. If you're an MMA fan and you watch this channel, you've seen all of those fights, so I don't need to go over them, but what I would say is, and before that,

too, there were some volume issues, but what you just saw there is, like, this is what I meant about when I was asking Tyron at the media day, you know, what do you attribute those four losses to? And his answer was, well, lifestyle this and lifestyle that. And certainly, I take him at his word that that probably played a role, and I thought he came in tonight prepared in as much as one could be. But the reality is also that he has changed as a fighter. And I think we have to say that out loud.

We knew this in the MMA context. We were wondering, is there any kind of way to unwind this? Is there any kind of way to put the toothpaste back in the tube? And maybe in parts you thought that he was able to do that. Maybe you could make a case that he did. But overall, it wasn't nearly enough for me. I don't really understand the split decision scoring by the judges. I think the judge, Phil Rogers, got it.

If that's, again, what the handwriting says, I can barely read it. But if that's the name, then he really got it wrong. I don't understand that. Other than, yes, I get that he got rocked in the fourth round. But not quite the redemption story that I think he was hoping. Although he did try to get a second payday, which I don't even know what to say about the end of that fight there. So he's getting interviewed, Jake Paul is, by Aaron Ohawani,

saying all the things about Cleveland, this is for you and whatnot and everything else. And then he gets to interviewing Tyron, and Tyron makes a case that there should be a rematch that he thought he won. The split decision makes the argument stronger for him, but I don't know if there's much commercial appetite for him. Again, don't get me wrong.

This fight was better than the Mayweather-Paul fight, but you just got to call it like you see it. You had a disappointing performance from one of the headliners in terms of just volume, not doing enough. Win or lose, whatever, but not enough volume. And the level of ability is, frankly, for pro boxing, pretty low. What would be the hook to run that back? And then Jake Paul says something I don't even understand, which is, oh, if you get the tattoo, we'll do it again. Dude, didn't you guys already agree to do the tattoo? Why would you double down on the demand that they already agreed to, to give an opportunity that from a commercial standpoint, I don't know how much interest there is necessarily. We'll talk about Tommy Fury a little bit later because he did not have the performance I think he was looking for, but we'll get to him a little bit later. So I didn't understand that at all. I'd be curious to know if you guys are interested in a rematch, especially an immediate

one. I thought if Tyron won, that'd be huge business. I thought if it was controversial, like Tyron really went in there and just gave it an admirable performance. And he gave an admirable performance in certain ways, but with sufficient volume, like the only thing left wanting was not his effort, but the judge's recognition of it, I think you could run it back. But if the issue is,

and my thing came off my back here for the production folks, but no big deal. But if the issue is there is a perception that there wasn't a sufficient amount of effort in the striking department, one, that's going to leave folks lacking in terms of entertainment factor, and two, why would the second time be different?

I mean, that's what really didn't get answered here. What would have happened the second time around that would lead anyone to believe that it could go in a slightly different way? Okay, There was a big punch that rocked him in the third. I thought Jake Paul, given the circumstances, showed a, I'll say good chin. I'll give that to him. I do think that the ropes probably held him up in the fourth, but there's no way to know. It doesn't count. So the referee didn't give it to him, so we can't hear it. It's not part of the scoring criteria. These glasses are fogging up under these fucking intense lights. Good Lord. So that's just going to be one of these unknowns that we have to live with. I guess the question

is, did it live up to the hype? From my time at Showtime, which has only been about two years, this has been the best promoted fight I've ever seen them do. They've done some bigger ones in some certain ways, but I think this is the best promoted one. This one had most of the size and scale of Mayweather versus Paul. Not exactly, but it had some of it. And it had two guys who were much better as rivals and that had the capacity, given Tyron's power

and sort of some of the unknowns about Jake, to deliver better action. And it thought that it did, but maybe not enough to demand an immediate rematch of this, which we'll talk about the YouTube implications for this as well. Boys, I'm sweating, sweating like a prostitute in church. I mean, could it be hotter in here? Let me get some water here.

Hold on just a second. Sorry about that, folks. All right, let's talk about Jake Paul here for a second. Were you all impressed? I'll say this, man. Look, as long as you understand, you the audience, me the media guy, everyone else, as long as you understand what the end game is here, there's room to like it, but be cognizant of its limits. Let me tell you what I mean here. Look, man, Jake Paul is never going

to be a world champion boxer. It's just not possible. If he were a heavyweight, you could maybe figure out a way to find a title around his waist. I was there when Seth Mitchell, you guys may not know that name, he was a football player, D1 for Michigan State. NFL didn't go the way he had hoped, and he sort of turned to boxing after getting out of it and made a bit of a run, made a little bit of a noise. He was an A-plus athlete, obviously, but took to boxing pretty late, post-22. I think he was like 24 or so when he had first started. And so he took some time to get to training, took some time to get the experience. And by the time he was ready to headline, they could find a couple guys for him to do

okay, but ultimately he was never able to get to any kind of a level that they had hoped, even though he was sort of promoted. And this was a time when there weren't a lot of great American heavyweights. This was about 2011 or so. It's just too late. And even that was the heavyweight division. And that was a guy who was a proven division one athlete. Guys, Jake Paul is not going to be that guy.

It's not possible. I mean, some sanctioning body might find a way to give him some BS title, but that's not what you're looking at. You're looking at low level boxing here. That's what it is. Okay. And that's not an insult're looking at. You're looking at low-level boxing here. That's what it is, okay? And that's not an insult. That's a fact. It's low-level boxing.

So if it's going to be low-level boxing, it has to have everything else kind of around it, right? It has to have the pomp and circumstance. I thought you got a lot of the pomp and circumstance tonight. I thought that Cleveland crowd was rocking. I'll give them credit, man. They were rowdy from the opening. Dude, we had to go around the concourse.

We got there around, I want to say 6.45 in the evening. We were walking around trying to get oriented and find where the media section is and everything. And there was some kind of amateur fight going on, or I should say a prelim fight card going on, and the crowd was completely into it. So Cleveland was all in. But it has to have some of the things around it. So you had the big audience.

You had the big walkout from Tyron. He had a rapper there with him. What was the rapper's name? It was Gaffer. I forget his name. Who is it? OT Genesis. As you can tell, I'm not especially cool.

So anyway, he had the big – that's the best walkout I've ever heard from him. That's the best pop I'd ever heard from him. That's the best pop I'd ever heard from him. And, uh, so I had all of the theatrics and everything, and I thought it had some of the action. I thought there were times when Woodley would land a big punch and he would, you know, he'd bow out or he'd get hit with one and they would, you know, taunt each other between rounds. It had, it had some moments look for low level boxing.

You know, I'm not gonna say it doesn't get better than that. Cause you can get chaos at low level boxing, but you know, that was okay. It was good for you. It was, there was some intensity there, but to build on that with what you already got in the same direction you've already been, I don't know. For Jake Paul, I thought that again, if you just understand that this is just something he can do, as long as they can find if you just understand that this is just something he can do as long as they can find the kind of challenges that people are interested in.

It's got nothing to do with high-level boxing. It's got nothing to do with, like, I'm going to take on Canelo. It's got nothing to do with any of that. It's almost entirely for entertainment and business purposes. Not exclusively, but almost entirely. If you understand it in that context, I thought that Jake showed some admirable things. I thought he showed better overall boxing ability.

He did go the distance. I thought he was going to gas. I thought that Tyron was going to make him pay for it, but he didn't. Showed a decent chin. Good chin, I thought. And he promoted this fight like a motherfucker. You got to give him that.

He absolutely, I mean, that's where he shined, right? He's an incredible self-promoter. That's really what it was. But in terms of like his future, you know, it's not that they can't find someone with a big name like a Tommy Fury or maybe they'll do a rematch. I don't think that they will. But the biggest issue for me is it's like

if you're going to offer the audience this level of boxing, it has to be concretely enjoyable. Can't be on the fence. You can have fights that go to split decisions, but they got to be thrillers. You know what I mean? People need to get the bang for their buck. And if you're fighting UFC, uh, former UFC fighters at the very end of their run, in this particular case, a guy who has a lot of athletic ability, but has already shown us that he likes to back up. He's reserved with volume. He doesn't throw a lot. And you get a repeat of a lot of that in these contexts, you know, the longevity is going

to be in question about it all. I think, you know, listen, do you have respect for Jake Paul? I think you got to have some respect for him, certainly, right? Four fights, Tyron Woodley came in shape, you know, that's a difficult athletic endeavor that he undertook. But folks always ask me, like, whenever I do radio shows or whenever I do, like, CBS Sports HQ hits where Brian Campbell is, as a reminder, he'll be here soon, and we'll talk to him, see what he thinks about everything. Whenever you do stuff like that, they always ask you, like, oh, do you

take Jake seriously? I'm like, I never really know what that means. Like, do I think he's going to be a future weight class champion at, you know, a cruiserweight? No, I don't think that at all. I don't think anyone with half a brain thinks that. Do I think that he tries very hard? Yes. Do I think he's got some level of professional boxing ability? Obviously, he's got some. But I don't know, and I respect that. I think most people who are being reasonable about it would respect that. But I don't know that there's a whole lot more you can say beyond that. Are we supposed to say anything more? Every one of his other gifts is about what kind of audience he can attract and why that is, you know, allegedly

we'll see, bringing in new audience members or changing up boxing a little bit. We finally got eight rounds of footage up boxing a little bit. So, I, we finally got eight rounds of footage on him. I thought he had a good game plan. He had better combination work. He had better footwork. And he ultimately just had more boxing skill,

offensively and defensively, to avoid, for the most part, the big strikes from Tyron. He took advantage of the lulls in action. He had a decent jab. He had good combinations, decent check hooks, good, okay timing. He had enough of the boxes checked. I mean, listen, everyone wanted to be like,

oh, Tyron's got all this experience and he's got all these accolades in MMA. And it's like, right, but then you would see the tail of the tape, just the boxing tail of the tape. And Jake is bigger. Jake is taller. I think their reach, I said was equal, but I think Jake actually had a two inch reach advantage heading into this contest. He had three professional fights. Woodley in this context had none. And one guy was 24. One guy was nearly 40. Now, if you didn't know their names and you didn't know their backgrounds and and you didn't know their backgrounds, and you saw the tail of the tape just like that, 24 versus 40, 74-inch reach versus 72-inch reach, you know, weighing in the same,

but one guy clearly bigger, right, height differential the whole nine yards. What was it, like a three- or four-inch height difference? This guy has three competitive competition wins, I should say. This guy's never done this before on a pro context. Who would you have bet on? Who would you have said would be the one to do it? This was always Jake Paul not trying to finesse the public in that way, but create a plausible scenario

that he could sell to the public that would be challenging enough that they would be intrigued enough to buy it with personalities they cared to be involved. I think the personality part of the show delivered pretty heavily, certainly in the run-up to the fight. Even after the fight, there was a little bit of it. But for me, the competitive action was fine.

It was fine. But I don't know how much more appetite there's going to be for this kind of thing. So it's not going away overnight. This was in no way bad for Jake Paul, in no way necessarily bad for YouTube boxing. But I'm waiting for that day where you got the knockout with Ben Askren, but there wasn't enough juice to make you believe it meant a whole lot. It kind of came a little bit too easy. He didn't really look the part. I'm waiting for that day where you can get the thunderous KO, the emphatic note, the thing that really sells it against

anybody that anyone cares about for any good reason. And so far that's been hard to manage when you look at fights at this level. It's because you've got people that are either inexperienced or you've got folks that, you know, have too much experience, almost, to put it that way. Let me go through some of the other results here on the card. You know, let me jump around because I'm not sure how people are dying to talk about the co-main event. Amanda Serrano was the best fighter on that card

in terms of pure boxing ability, but we'll come back to her. No, we'll come back to her for just a second, Gap. Let me start with the one that opened the card because that's sort of the most relevant one in terms of what might be next. And again, if you're new, thumbs up on this, hit subscribe. Happy to have you here. Waiting on Brian Campbell to come down

after his hit on CBS Sports HQ. The Tommy Fury U.S. experiment, not off to a strong start. To me, the strong fight tonight was the Baranchuk-Montana love fight, which was so unbelievably good. Dubois looked amazing. Serrano had, you know, we'll talk about her in just a second. And again, I thought the main event was much better of the two Paul brothers, but, you know, it is what it is.

But getting back to Tommy Fury, Tommy Fury was a guy who came in here with a lot of buzz but a lot of criticisms too. The buzz was from his last name, and the buzz was also the fact that he has developed a bit of a following in the UK from being on one of the more popular television shows, Love Island.

If you looked at his opponents, his last one was a lot more respectable, but he had three opponents, all of whom had not only double-digit losses, they had no wins. I mean, there was something like, they had a combined record of like 10 and 110, something insane. Terrible, terrible win and loss record. And so there were folks wondering, okay, he's got decent power, he's got a name, certainly looks the part, what can he do? And so there was all of these questions about, is this really just sort of a manufactured

hype job? Now, I think he's still early enough in his run where I'm not ready to declare that he is a manufactured hype job. However, what I will say is that was not the performance that he necessarily needed to win the Jake Paul sweepstakes. Tyron doing this whole bit at the end of the fight kind of changes it a little bit because I wonder if their continued rivalry via what they say to each other is enough to drive interest or, you know, matches in Tyron's direction? I don't really know. Or maybe he wants to go

to that route with Tommy Fury because, hey, the Tyron Woodley business is old. We'll have to see. But you would have thought that Tommy was supposed to go in here and he had vaunted big power. He was taking on a guy that was 0-1 boxing, 7-5 in MMA, who was significantly smaller than him.

And listen, let's be clear. Fury won every round. There was supposed to be, initially, I was told by Anthony Taylor, initially eight, but he got signed as six, and then he got bumped down to four from some commission issues. So it was a four-round fight. I mean, you were training for a six. They bumped it down to a four. You've got a four-round fight. I mean, you were training for a six. They bumped it down to a

four. You got to step on the gas. And again, he cleanly won. Tommy Fury cleanly won all four rounds. Let me say, I've interviewed the guy a couple times now, at least seen him around and talked to him. He could not be nicer. He could not be more professional. He looks the part. I think he's doing, honest to God, I mean this. I think he's doing his best. I think he's trying. I think he's training. I think he's getting out there and just trying to make his way the best way he knows how. The problem is, as we all know, he's just not his brother.

That's an unfair comparison because most other heavyweights, maybe none of the other heavyweights, are his brother. But the reality is it's a far cry. He should have knocked that guy out and stopped him within a couple of rounds. The fact that it went the full distance, which was granted, only four. And yes, Fury hit him with some big punches, to be clear.

He was landing on him. Again, no controversy about who won. But we were expecting, you know, if you're watching great white sharks eat seals, you know, the seal getting a moral victory is sort of, it doesn't really, it doesn't do much. Like you came here to watch some seals take L's. You need the great white shark to hand it out. You didn't get, you didn't really get that. Um, and you got, here was the other part too

that like I thought his power was going to carry against a guy who, you know, this was not his opponent, Anthony Taylor, that was not his optimal weight class. And I didn't see

a lot of evidence of that. I did not see, I did not see fury. And in his other previous fights, you can go and you can watch, you'll see that there's, it appears to be decent power again

against overmatched opposition, but still, the power was there. I didn't think Taylor was overmatched in that same way, but I did feel like the size disparity should have let Fury have his

way with the power, and that just wasn't the case at all. Anthony Taylor was quick. Anthony Taylor was quick. Anthony Taylor was defensively a little bit more responsible than I thought. He was able to move in ways that I thought was surprising. But I thought for sure Fury was going to get him out of there, and no chance. So hardly a disaster for Fury.

But if the goal was to, in your U.S. debut, go in there and wow people, the power wasn't necessarily there. Again, go in there and wow people, the power wasn't necessarily there. Again, he cleanly won the rounds, but the guy was so much smaller. I don't think there was any knockdowns, if memory serves.

There was no knockdowns in the fight, and some of the technique kind of felt like it was better than the technique for the most part in the Paul and Woodley fight, but it just wasn't what I think folks were hoping for. It wasn't necessarily that. Now, it sounds like I'm bagging on the whole night. I thought in general the night was, for the most part, a pretty big success. The fans appeared to be happy with what they got.

I haven't talked to them yet about the main event. I thought that there was plenty of action on the card overall that delivered. But there were some key things we were looking for ahead of time. Is Fury going to shine in his U.S. debut? Is there going to be a finish? Are they going to live in the shadow of Paul versus Mayweather where it was interesting that Logan could last that long, but getting stolen on for however many rounds it was and, you know, it was interesting that Logan could last that long, but getting stole on for however many rounds it was and not being able to launch any kind of effective offense,

it's a moral victory, but it's not much more. Are we going to get more than that? In that sense, there was a bit of something better here, but I don't know that there was enough. I don't know that there was enough for Tommy Fury. We're going to see. It's going to be very interesting to see what happens with this next matchmaking. Do we have any update from the presser, by the way?

Have they started it yet? Let me know to the crew here. Let me know if we see any quotes from Jake Paul about Next Opponent or anything like that. Jake's not up yet? Okay.

So to the extent that we get anything, any statement of doesn't sound like Tyron's going to retire, but let the extent that we get anything, any statement of, doesn't sound like Tyron's going to retire, but let's just say we hear anything like that or whatever, we'll give you guys a bit of an update right here on the broadcast. And again, we're still waiting on Brian. Do we know how far away he is?

He's doing the hit right now? All right, that means he should be here in just a second. Yeah. By the way, again, I'll give credit to the Cleveland fans. When I was there, those were not traditional fight fans you see at shows. They were younger. It was mostly male, for sure. That's usually the case.

But you could tell it was a demo that was a little bit, I don't know, a little bit more hip-hop. How would you describe that audience, Gaff, tonight? Huh? Yeah, 14 to 25. You could tell they game a little bit online, right? They've, you know, some of them, let's just be real, you know, it's a good thing that the gathering of the Juggalos was last week so they could be here for this one. Let's just be honest. Let's just be honest. Probably some insane clown posse fans. Shouts to ICP. They seem like very nice people. But it was

a little bit of that. Alright, here's BC. Coming on in, dude. I didn't want to get to the rest of the car without you. I kind of talked about the main and the co-main. Here he is, Brian Campbell, host of Morning Campbell. At least that's what it's been the last two weeks. What can't it kick my ass, right? Alright, good sir.

As a reminder, if you're watching us now, thumbs up, hit subscribe. Alright, BC. Yeah, let me get this handsome sound guy here to hook me up. There we go. As we do this, I'll give you the floor. Your reaction to the main event. It was a fun event all week. I don't want to say it was not a fun event.

The fight had drama. It was fun. The fight had more skill than I think we expected coming in. It was better than Mayweather versus Paul. I was entertained. It was better than Mayweather versus Paul. I think the key questions all surrounded Logan Paul. And I think, you know what?

To a large degree, he passed the test. We expected a more exciting passing of the test. I expected Luke a brawl, maybe get a little sloppy, a little extra sloppy, right? I thought both guys for their lack of overall combined boxing ability, showed a good amount of it. Responsible defense, decent stamina. There wasn't some out-of-pocket, falling-apart moments here, Luke, as I'm talking to you, and you're looking deep into that screen. I'm listening. I'm listening. Please.

But look, would you agree with me on this? Jake passed the test and proved that he's getting there. He's not a legitimate boxer. He's not ready to fight for world titles. It's only his fourth pro fight. He's not ready to fight for guys who are even remotely close. He is a celebrity fighter. That's what he is.

He's a pretty darn good celebrity fighter, A, and he's only 24 years old, and that certainly helps him with the size advantage in these type of matchups. But Tyron Woodley let him off the hook. Yes. I don't know if that's because Woodley knew he wouldn't have the eight-round stamina.

He's been doing that for a while. Whether it's a failure to launch or just a lack of understanding on how boxing rounds are judged, which could fall into play. When he does not establish a jab, he does not have a chance to win rounds in which he's not defiantly hurting Jake Paul. Now, I don't know where or what grounds that third judge who had it in favor of Woodley by that wide, I don't know how he got there.

I can tell you how he got there. I looked at his scorecard. He gave Tyron every round from round four through eight. Yeah, so here's the deal. Tyron won round four. I gave him round 12 for trying hard in the last minute with right hands, and you can even argue that could have been a Paul round, but I think I was pretty much in line with Steve Farhood the rest of the way where Woodley's not jabbing. He's attempting one punch at a time, and as you saw the second half of that fight, especially, Luke, Woodley telegraphed any attempts at power punches. It was very much a square up, right-handed,

almost like MMA Superman style punch, where he's getting almost a running or jumping start into a lot of these. They were telegraphed. Jake Paul's ring IQ is a lot better than I think people realize. But particularly that round four into round five when Jake maybe still could have been hurt.

I don't know how Woodley expected to have a chance on the scorecards without that type of understanding the scenario and emptying the bucket, emptying the tank. Even in the eighth and final round, I didn't see body language that said, I need a knockout to win this fight. I saw some guy who was just sort of okay with like,

you know what, I went eight rounds against this young kid and I didn't get knocked out. I thought it was posturing for him to ask for a rematch and try to push for that and try to play the business pro wrestling side of it. I think it was even worse when he accepted the non-legitimate tattoo bet. Why would

Jake Paul offer that first of all, in any capacity whatsoever? I think Jake Paul was trolling him and laughing at him. But also, just as a general rule, it's like, dude, you already won this bet but he has to do this irrespective of anything else. Unless this fight had been awesome in which there was action, they both got knocked down

and got up, we don't need to see it again. Even though they promoted it very well, but a big part of that promotion is, I've got to pay to see because I don't know what it's going to look like. Now we kind of know what we're dealing with here. I want to give Woodley credit for surviving. The skills he showed to survive, I didn't necessarily know that he had. So I'm going to're dealing with here. And look, I want to give Woodley credit for surviving. The skills he showed to survive, I didn't necessarily know that he had.

So I'm going to give him that credit. But he's going to put his head on the pillow, Luke, and be upset that he let Jake Paul off the hook. Dude, he's been doing this in MMA for a while. I wouldn't call this, I would not say that this is tantamount to the same kind of listlessness that we saw against Usman or against Colby,

which, by the way, were just completely different because there was a lot of wrestling involved. I get it. I'm not comparing that, but the idea that he would give away rounds due to low volume, dude, that's not new. That's not new. I didn't even see an avenue for him to get... After round four, I didn't even really see him come that close with any big shots.

I didn't really see an avenue where even if he hit a grazing shot, he wasn't following it up with more shots. I think that had he done that, maybe that's where the gap in actual boxing skill with Jake Paul having focused on this for longer would have come out and maybe Tyron would have gotten caught.

And maybe because again, neither guy really overextended in goofy fashions to leave themselves out there to get knocked out. And I give them that respect. I think that's a big part overall of what the Paul brothers have done to show this game respect. Sometimes it doesn't equal huge excitement,

and this fight had some slow moments. Floyd Logan was slow as shit throughout. But, like, which would you rather have? Would you rather have this genre that the Paul brothers are the front of be just, you get knockouts but it's sloppy, bro. I kind of like the respect shown where I was able to enjoy a dramatic fight that didn't have a ton of action because

it was like, you know, who's going to make that change that can win this? I moderately enjoyed it. I think that's fine. I certainly did not hate it at all. I moderately enjoyed it. But this is sort of the thing for me. It's like dude, I'm happy to grade the ability on a curve. I understand what I'm looking at. It's not championship boxing.

I am well aware of it. I mean, guys, the guy can barely, not barely, but the guy can beat basically almost retired MMA fighters. That's not a high level of boxing. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't have hands. Here's what I'm going to say. I've not seen one of these YouTube fights

yet where I've walked away, including the KSI one, which was on DAZN. I've not seen one where I was like, damn, that action was sick. Every time we're like, that was okay. When is it going to be the time where one of these guys, unless it's, I guess they have to be completely overmatched, but this is the problem

with having someone who doesn't have a ton of ability. They don't have the promise to be able to deliver stinging knockouts or vicious beatdowns unless their opponent is a pre-diabetic castation attendant. Like, that's a bit of a problem. Shout out to Ann Easton Gibb. I didn't know that was him. Did you think the fourth round

right hand that hurt? Do I think the ropes held him up? Yes. Yes, I do. That it should have been ruled a knockdown. Yes, I do. I do. I don't know if that's the most egregious reffing error, but the way in which at least the replay looked to me, he was held up by the ropes. It wasn't one of those ones where he was dazed, but it would have been

off of his feet with the shot. And to that third judge who screwed up, that's a shit scorecard. That's a terrible scorecard. And that's not phoned in. No one paid him to do that. That doesn't fit any narrative. That's just a shit scorecard. That's a terrible scorecard. And that's not phoned in. No one paid him to do that. That doesn't fit any narrative. That's just a bad scorecard. I wonder though, because there was two rounds I thought after round four where Woodley actually was the aggressor. I don't think he threw more punches, but he actually was making Jake back up. I thought Jake was getting a little tired.

I'm like, man, Tyron, you are so close to being able to win this round, yet Jake would come back with shots to the body, would come back with one punch here and there. And I'm just like, you know, I know how to score a boxing round, despite how many of you may agree with that. You know, the activity has to go to Jake. It has to. But, you know, I guess if you're a judge who's in a state that doesn't have big time fights and you gave that fight to Tyron Woodley. But I guess the last thing I want to say is because I want to get to some of the other pieces about jake's future but the last thing i'll say about this is i don't think it'll be your last thing i think you're a fucking liar no no what

i mean to say is what is the appeal if you're not already a jake paul fan right like why should seriously after everything that happened if you're not a jake paul fan why would you care about this fight what would be How would you sell not a rematch per se, but like why folks should tune into Jake Paul again? Because the lesson I'm taking from this is he is definitely better than his critics want to admit.

There is certainly, certainly no denying that. After eight rounds, you have to say at least that. But dude, it seems to me his, I don't know what his ceiling is, but his current level of ability is, I can beat guys who lost their last four in the UFC and got their walking papers. Like, that's not enough.

Who I have a size advantage over. And I couldn't finish him off. Yeah. So this is you saying. It's not a high level, bro. Well, look, after Logan and Floyd, I thought that was a step back for the genre. It didn't work.

And I thought it had a chance to put a flat tire on what they were trying to build here. You think this fight tonight, because there wasn't a knockout, because Woodley almost comically didn't do enough, that it also has that same potential to kind of slow the interest down slowly? I have a hunch, and I can't really prove this, but I have a hunch that, listen, if you watch, you go to a boxing show, whatever your next real boxing show is,

full-on real boxing show, and watch the undercards, you'll see people with these kinds of records, 0-1 versus 3-0. It's quite common, actually. And sometimes the fights suck, and sometimes they don't, but there's no one there. No one is expected to be there except their corners and maybe some of their teammates.

It's kind of a learning thing. That side of boxing is almost never sold as the entertainment side. They wait until they get much better. Well, now we're trying to fast forward. I don't know if you can actually do that. We keep waiting for the genre to produce a really great fight.

It is possible to get that at this level, but all the concessions we're making to put this in a place where it ordinarily would not go has yet to produce it to my knowledge. What you're saying is like when secondary football startup leagues happen, the XFL, the whatever the other recent ones were, you know, be

honest. If you don't know the players, you are tuning in and hoping to see crazy action and scoring, right? Just batshit craziness, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, or that's it. Or fights. You're not going to come out of there and go, you know what? For minor league football players,

they can block really good. So you're saying getting lost in the fact that Woodley and Paul may have over-exceeded what we thought their technical, real boxing skills were were just showing that ain't going to keep selling this bubble unless we get some sloppy knockouts unless we get some definitive um i'm getting better each fight i'm the face of this i'm jake paul and i'm gonna knock

you out i i think so on some level dude if you're asking people to accept what you're doing as an entertainment product it needs to be sufficiently entertaining. With the real part of boxing, you make a concession knowing that they have a high level and it can be sometimes difficult, blah, blah, blah. You don't get any of those guardrails when what you're asking for is to be

pushed to the front of the line. Again, I understand not everyone can be. I'm just wondering, are we in a position where this genre can't really consistently deliver it in a way that the real side of boxing can't? I think you have to increase the threat of danger then. At least that's what you're going to have to do.

But if Jake Paul's going to manage it, he's going to manage it in such a way where the danger is always... You're saying, hey, Jake Paul, you can't be a point fighter. You can't be a pay-per-view star and a point fighter when you don't have the backup skill. It's weird, because I respect the effort he put in tonight. He put in a real effort. Do you think he didn't go for a finish at any point? I don't think he went for a finish. No. I don't think either guy. Tyron

was kind of looking for some home run shots, but not in a very strategic full-throated way. They don't have the ability to really do that. Okay, Jake Paul didn't get a knockout, which has to take away from what you thought his high-end expectations could be. But did he do more to impress?

Forget about the marketing moving forward, just in his performance. Did he do more to impress you or more to show you how illegitimate he might be? Both. Both. We didn't know hardly anything before this. We had the three fights. There's not a whole lot.

I don't know what to say about them. There's not much. This is the first time you got some real footage on the guy. And there are some things. He clearly has better abilities than the MMA fighters that they're lining up in front of him, like he does. And I think that's not insignificant. That's admirable.

And the youth and size. You can't overlook that. Fair enough. But it's also quite clear at 24 years old, this is never going to be a whole lot more than what it is. Okay, then does Tommy Fury interest you considering he's the same size as Jake? We were talking about that earlier, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, let's be honest. That's not a good performance from Tommy Fury to me. He had a guy with three weight classes below him. That was disappointing as shit. I mean, you got to put that guy in the canvas to... But is there any way that gets him a better chance at a potential Jake Paul fight? Because I was wondering, based on some comments from Jake... Look, Jake putting Tommy on

this card shows you that they're potentially interested. Yes. But then I saw Jake going, well, you know. Yeah, I'm losing a bit there, too. All right. Well, you know, it's got to make sense money-wise. It's got to make sense height and size-wise. Look, he threw those extra words in when we talked to him,

which leads you to believe if Tommy Fury goes out there and cleans this kid's clock, maybe he won't get the call. Does this blah performance from Tommy Fury, which really has you questioning how deep his own boxing career could go at just six fights, seven fights in. Maybe he's the perfect mark then. I never had a ton of interest

in him necessarily. For no other reason than I'm not in the UK and a lot of his popularity is driven as a function of that. Obviously the Fury name is international in boxing, but it's going to have a little bit more cachet at home. And, you know, Love Island is not a show that I would watch whether UK or otherwise.

I bet you your wife watches it when you go to sleep. Oh, she 1000% watches. But I bet she watched some like the Peruvian version because it's the original. No, no, she watched. That would be a Thomas House movie. No, no, no. She watched the Brazilian version of Too Hot to Handle.

There you go. Because apparently they're sexual. You refuse to let us Americans enjoy anything if there's a foreign original out there. Why don't you enjoy that pube that's sitting on your microphone right there? How about that? I mean, is that a foreign original here?

I mean, you know. I heard it both ways. Let me do this. Let's run through the rest of the card here for just a second. Tommy Fury did not really impress me. I don't think most people thought he was very impressive, but your mileage may vary. Daniel Dubois. I mean, could have had gone any better.

It was perfect. It was the right opponent to do that too, although Guzman had... This is the difference between Tommy Fury and Daniel Dubois. I mean, there's many differences. This was a showcase fight for Dubois. Let's not forget. Let's not plan like it was. It was a showcase fight for Tommy Fury, too. True. And he failed to deliver and raise that needle.

Dubois did. He took care of business violently like you should. And that's about three knockdowns against. Cusimano was hungry. Giuseppe, you know. Had never been stopped before. No. But, you know, his three losses had come against some fairly journeymen.

Journeymans. Heavyweights. So, this is kind of what was supposed to happen, and credit to Dubois, he did it. I get a little upset of the narrative of get ready, folks. He's the next big thing. We already saw him step up to a next big thing fight. He's been around.

Now it's the time to completely rebuild from that Joyce Lawson. He stopped Bogdan Dinu, and now he quickly stopped this guy. This was more about put him out there than let him learn a lot, but all in all, he passed the test for being just 23. He's going to be in some big fights down the road.

Okay, lost that Joe Joyce fight, but he didn't get knocked out. He quit because of the injury, and give Joyce credit. He landed the bigger punches. He caused the injury, but Dubois is going to have his time. So that's a bright spot on this card. For sure. Also, I thought the best fight on the card, bar none, Ivan Baranchuk and Montana Love. Dude, what a win for Montana Love.

Baranchuk, Jesus Christ, BC. This guy is a feral animal. Now, would you make that Jesus comparison because Jesus didn't tap and he was... Is that where you're going? Is that why you bring that into all of our conversations all the time? You don't want me to say the evil joke I have.

Okay, but if I have to hear you say Christ on crutches or something just ridiculously blasphemous, again, on this show that has my name? Yeah, where's your name? Morning Campbell? I don't see that. I can say what my friend says when he calls people like, he always says something like, they're as Christ, fast as Christ, fat as Christ. Whatever is

your deity, I mean, it even could be Latin women. What if I just damn them every time something happens? Can we ask you about Ivan Baranchuk and Mo Salah? Look, that was great theater. I mean, it was a ball to the wall 140 pound bout and it's like Baranchuk gave us the 2020

fight of the year and he got knocked out cold, giving us the best fight in showbox history a few years back against Abel Ramos. He's known for this. I think the problem is, unfortunately, he might have to retire. That's a harsh statement to make a guy in his early 30s who just was champion a few years ago. He was not expected to lose tonight, so first of all, it's an upset.

Second of all, dude, he got stopped. I mean, that is a guy who doesn't have big power. Again, somebody who's not a big puncher. That's the key. Who's not a big puncher. And the thing is, Baranchik has always fought with balls. I mean, he fights with BD. He looks like a Bond villain as we established the other day. He just keeps coming.

Regular shots rock him. That was tough to see, but if you're Montana Love, you had to walk through some crap to get that. He's a southpaw. He's tough. He was feeling it in front of the home crowd. That was fun to see. Is Love, because of this win, obviously the biggest win of Love's career for sure,

any sense about what kind of fight might be on the horizon for him when you beat a big name like Brescia? Well, he said he wants the belt next. Now, obviously, in boxing, there's more belts per weight class, so there's more opportunities, but I think he's not going to be far from a title shot. I mean, he's still relatively young, but he took out that two-and-a-half-year block of his career

when he was in prison. But this is a win that you really can't go backwards from that. You know, this is a win over a former champion who brings so much toughness that you're pretty much going to start getting in line for your opportunities. And also, credit to Baranchuk and also Love, Baranchuk had him hurt a few times, and Love rallied in certain spots and showed toughness and heart.

That was a fun fight. And ultimately, here's really why he won. He had better boxing skill. He was the more technical of the two. I think a lot of the reality of Baranchuk is he kind of just got by on some boxing ability, but then just outrageous aggression

and pressure. And that's why he got stopped against Jose Zepeda in his last fight. And Zepeda's not a big puncher, but a slick boxer, but had to brawl with him, but just had the tighter technique. And you know, you remember that knockout when Baranchuk got knocked out by Zepeda last October for the fight of the year. I mean, that was like, lights were out.

Like, that was the end of the... You and Rafe did a whole podcast just on that fight. Yeah, it was that good. But fun outing there. I gotta get this thing. Don't move, don't move, don't move. There we go. Look at that pube, you fucking gross piece of shit.

Well, the... Yeah, yeah, I guess so. You dirtbag. All right, co-main event. It's been a long week. It has. I know,bag. All right. Co-main event. This has been a long week. It has. I know. We're almost done.

Co-main event. Amanda Serrano. Dude, those two-minute rounds, they suck ass. Yeah. I mean, this is every fight. It's every fight we say this because it's true. Every time Serrano was building momentum at the end of the round. Mercado, by the way, tough as shit.

I'll give her credit. Her whole left side of her face was completely fucking jacked. Serrano, you heard Al Bernstein say it. We had previewed it also on the show. A phenomenal body puncher. Just maybe one of the best in all of women's boxing. All of boxing. Yeah, clear win for her.

But was it the showcase for her? Well, she had a tough opponent. So I think, of course, you want to say, I'm going to steal the show, and I'm going to come out there, and I'm going to get a better knockout than you. But if your opponent is biting down and going for it, and look, Mercado actually had moments. I thought her counter right hand was good, even though she got outworked

and any time she tried to make it a fight, I mean, Serrano's punches beat her up. You saw the cut. You saw the red face, all that going on. But I don't think Serrano won the night, but I think given the platform that she had, she came out and showed you that at 32. I mean, she's, like we said, if you're at worst, the third best pop for pound in the world.

Yeah, you're pretty good. And title-wise, you're actually the most decorated fighter in women's boxing history. I mean, I was just happy that her manager and brother-in-law didn't start a fight after. He seems very level-headed. He seemed close this time.

Quite calm, not caffeinated at all. Did you hear what he was saying to the other corner? No. About you're not Mexican enough. No, well, that too, but also how to translate it, show some balls, sort of. I've said that to you a few times after the show.

No, you haven't. You've never said that. Stop trying to softy it up. Just say it. Why don't you take some more L's from Josh Thompson, guy? How about that? Did I take the L or did I rally? You got off the canvas.

It was Andy Silva round five son and stuff. Okay, you took me down. I didn't tell you about the rib injury, but I'll finish you. Okay, we have some questions here from the listeners. I put them above a Twitter thread. You and I didn't really get about the rib injury, but I'll finish you. Okay, we have some questions here from the listeners. I put them on the Twitter thread. You and I didn't really get to see the broadcast. Was Ariel on there at all? I thought Ariel was going to fight tonight.

He was on so many parts of the broadcast. I even asked. I called my Showtime producer. I'm like, who's Ariel fighting tonight? Because he was everywhere on that broadcast. Hey, were we on the broadcast? Oh, no, we're in the basement of a dying hotel. I was...

Brent Brookhouse and I opened the broadcast. They showed our stories. We're in the basement of a dying hotel. It's okay. All right. This comes to us from Oliver. Which of these, if any, would be most interesting? Next.

Woodley rematch. I say no. No. Tommy Fury. Yes. Nate or Nick Diaz. Fuck yes. But it's not possible, but yes.

Maslow or Gregor. Yes. Granted, those on the contract with the UFC probably can't happen, maybe besides Nick. Well, you know, I talked to Jake this week. You were there? I think you were there, yeah. About, like, you know, how do you force Dana's hand to want to get involved?

If he had knocked out Tyron Woodley in, like, the third round of a competitive fight, that would have been a monster step closer to Dana. How many more times do I want my UFC guys walking out there? So why don't I work with him and put up somebody that'll beat him? I'm thinking about this now. The problem with what he did with Woodley is it was enough of a step up that you have to be like, okay, man, this kid's got some ability. I'll give it to him.

But it's not enough of a step up, especially in the relatively reserved way that Tyron fought to make you think, wow, he must be fun. My point of saying that is you're not pulling in the UFC opponents anytime soon. That's right. Because you're going to need the

business to force that hand. They'll be honest. We had a bunch of these. We had like 90 of these. We'll have to get to all 90. No, but what opponent do you think makes the most sense? Were you scared at all? Not scared, but that Jake afterwards was like, man, I need to take some time off.

I'm 24. I got to figure out what the future of my life is. Did that make you feel like he's going to be looking for an opponent soon? No, but I think he'll fight either end of this year or first quarter of 2022 for sure. Because the money's there. Listen, you can say whatever you want about the fight.

This is one of the best promoted fights I've seen in a while. It was very, very well promoted. Everyone did their part. Okay, then who's the opponent that will make people care? That's the reality. The one thing you can say for Tyron is, you can say a few things, but the one you cannot take away from him is he did a

very good job as the B-side in promoting this fight. Dude, these guys were good rivals for each other. I will absolutely say that. From W. Kamau Bell, the comedian and television host, if you were close to Tyron, how would you advise him to continue his fighting career? More boxing, sign with

MMA promotion, or just be done? What's the last stop on that lonely combat highway? It's called BKFC. There's a storyline with Hector Lombard, right? You know what I mean, right? Maybe do it. Maybe do it, right? There's probably some big money for that.

Get that. I mean, look, they asked me that on CBS Sports HQ. Like, okay, well, what's going to be next for Tyron? You know, bare knuckle with Hector Lombard, maybe? I don't HQ. What's going to be next for Tyron? Bare knuckle with Hector Lombard, maybe? I don't know. What else could that mean? Okay, he performed well this week. He fought well to not get knocked out, but he kind of cost himself the fight.

You're not winning a fight because of that performance. I think a lot of fans feel this way from Sean. Quote, I personally believe that Tyron looked relatively impressive considering it's his pro debut. He could have easily turned up the pressure and volume and put Paul away. Paul simply won the fight because of Woodley's inactivity and Paul had a

subpar performance overall. Here's the problem I have with this. I generally understand what the person's saying, but Woodley didn't turn it up. Yes, he could have if he was a different person, but he's got a lot of competitive miles on him. I think he's got some mental scars on him as well, which, by the way, if you're 40

and you've been fighting for fucking forever, you're going to have some of those. You're asking him to be something he's not at this point. Yes, could a different boxer under different circumstances do different things given the openings? For sure. But Tyron's not that guy, at least not right now or anymore. It can be easy to... So Tyron cost himself the fight. We're not right now or anymore. It can be easy to...

So Tyron cost himself the fight. We're not arguing that. But that doesn't necessarily mean that because Tyron kind of left the door open of a possibility to win this that Jake was awful. Because what I mean by that is Tyron still left a threat of the punches and there was a level of drama and it was a test of Jake's gas tank.

Tyron cost himself the win, but he competed at the very least. So I think that because of that, you got to give Jake a nod on this was a good night. Overall, it was a good night for Jake, overall. Someone asked, should Jake quit boxing while he's on top and move on to his next money-making venture,

or is it worth it to see this thing through making his money in combat sports? Do you feel like he felt like what it could be to be maimed now he's willing to he signed up for these fights of course he's going to be knocked out but in the spirit of that question look even if you look jake's too smart not to know the truth the truth is that the if he keeps climbing the ladder and keeps challenging himself he'll find that challenge yes that's the truth. The truth is that if he keeps climbing the ladder and keeps challenging himself, he'll find that challenge, right? That's the truth. So to the spirit of that question,

what is he actually fighting for? I don't think he's fighting to find that, right? No. So he's not necessarily daring to be great in the purest boxing sense. For a celebrity, he's pretty, he's kind of daring to be great for a celebrity, right? For sure.

Who you wouldn't expect to do that, okay. For sure. So because of that and that foundation, I don't think he gets out now, but I think he's only looking at fights where that scare isn't there. But you got to be smart in how you sell that, though, because you have to sell the danger and the threat. Yeah, but again, if the danger is so narrow that he's going to have yet another really close fight.

It's not going to sell. It's not going to sell. Dude, you got to start putting some people on the canvas, man. That's just the reality of it. So you need someone then, sorry, so you need somebody with more danger but also more vulnerability. Woodley wasn't vulnerable enough. You need a Baranchik type.

Wait, Woodley wasn't vulnerable enough in the end. Baranchik's high level, but you know what I mean. What if I named you a couple names? Let's hear it. I want you to just say the outcome. Jake Paul versus Anderson Silva. What's the outcome? I don't know. What's the outcome? Just so I know where Jake is at.

I think Anderson boxes him the fuck out. Knocks him out or boxes him? Stops him at a bare minimum. Jake Jorge Masvidal. Jorge fucks him up. Jorge can box. Jake Oscar De La Hoya. Jesus fuck. Are we doing this? Really? I'm looking at

the players out in the landscape, okay? I'm just asking you. Dude, is Jake going to fight Vitor? I'm just asking you. If so, shouldn't steroids be mandatory? I'm trying to get a level on where he actually is. It's low. Would Oscar knock him out at 47? Oscar knocks him out, yeah.

Mike Tyson? What the fuck kind of question is that? Okay, I'm trying to get a gauge here, all right? Mike Perry, bro. Even Mike Perry might knuckle him to the canvas. I don't know. No, he probably beats Mike Perry. How do you feel about Woodley reacting the way he did post-fight, even after the Paul Bros showed him love and respect?

I thought it was kind of a bad look, and that he should have taken his LN payday gracefully. It was desperate. It was the desperate acts of a man, I think, who had instant regret that... I mean, look, I don't think he could... I mean, you can't tell me he went to those scorecards thinking that he had done enough.

Maybe hoping? Maybe he thought he had done more in some of those middle... I don't know. I can't imagine that, Luke. I can't imagine that. So everything, all that behavior we saw was a desperate attempt to try to secure another fight. And it's not that, Luke. I can't imagine that. So all that behavior we saw was a desperate attempt to try to secure another fight. And it's not gonna happen.

I never understand these comments. This person writes, any semi-decent boxer would have finished Jake multiple times. He let himself be walked down way too easily and he really isn't elusive enough yet to fight the majority of the fights. Yeah, dude, who thinks he's gonna beat a halfway good boxer? I certainly don't. He's the best celebrity. That's all we know. That's all we're saying.

For celebrities, he can box his fucking ass off. He's a good boxer for celebrities. By boxing standards, he cannot. No, so that's not what we're saying. And anyone that's hearing the way that we're talking about the matchmaking future and going, you're a freaking hypocrite. If Floyd was trying to find the

low-danger, high-reward guy, you'd be calling him out for it. I'm not talking about Floyd now. Dude, Floyd fought motherfucking, you know. Floyd then was in real boxing and was the best of our era by far. I'm talking about a celebrity guy who might want to keep the train on the tracks with circus fights, right? Right, right, right.

Of course there's a little bit of show and tell with the mirrors to try to sell. I think if Jake Paul's going to do this, he's got to find somebody who can be a decent B-side. Because Tyron was an excellent B-side promotionally. He's got to find someone who can be a decent B-side who he can knock the fuck out. Well, that person has to offer more threat of a knockout than even Tyron, but be way more chinnier than Tyron. Dude, sell a pay-per-view that's not a million, but it's six, seven hundred thousand. You're still going to make a fuck ton of money.

And you're using that one as a commercial for the next one, right? That's exactly what I'm talking about. Okay, so who's that guy? Because Tommy Fury did not look freaking good, dude. But that looks like another... Hold on, we can keep going through this. Doesn't Fury, Tommy Fury versus Jake Paul in your head, that might go decision. That might be another one of these, right? I'll say this.

It's a lot more competitive tonight than I thought it was before. It's a shitload more competitive. They might do that for that reason, dude. Like, honestly, it's before. It's a shitload more competitive. They might do that for that reason, dude. Like, honestly, it's competitive. It's a huge, huge fight. It's celebrity-wise. In the UK, like, here's the fact.

I don't, it's hard for me to believe Tyron did enough to really make an even remotely strong case for a rematch. No. He just didn't. Never mention that again. Don't anyone ever mention that again. A lot of questions about Woodley retiring.

A lot of questions. These fights, it's just inevitable. You have to deal with it. These fights invite the it's all fixed experts, the guys who know so much about fighting that they can spot. I would want to just, I'm interested in seeing an at-length Woodley interview in which someone would ask him, like, do you regret not? Yeah, but you'd have to do it with, like, footage here and be like, dude, you went, like, X amount of seconds, like, 40 seconds.

Well, I think it was obvious. There was no freaking jab. He would, like, paw twice, and that'd be it, and then it'd be done. That was fixed. Total waste of time and money. It wasn't fixed. It was just bad game plan. Here's one thing I'm not sure.

I picked up on this. I'm not sure if you're fully picking up on it yet. There is palpable frustration from the MMA fans that I see online about Tyron's effort. They think that Jake was served up, ready to be taken out, and that Tyron just totally misplayed it. Rather than, dude, that's who he is now. You're asking him to do things he doesn't really have the capacity to pull off. That's not who he was in the last fight. He went after

Luke A. And he got fucking submitted. Dude, Tyron not throwing a lot of volume and taking long stretches off of just completely... Dude, did you not watch both of the fucking Wonderboy fights? There were a lot like that. Let me ask you. Are you saying he went into the scorecards thinking he won fights? There were a lot like that. Then let me ask you, are you saying he went into the scorecards

thinking he won then? That's what you're saying. When the final bell of round eight... Maybe. Because he was the guy walking... Again, we know what it's supposed to mean, but he was the guy walking Jake down a lot. But just not really throwing anything. So I think maybe he thought that was enough.

And I was trying to land the bigger shots. Mixed with, I didn't get knocked down and I kind of knocked him down and yeah, but I don't know. Odds on the tattoo footage being released tonight? I don't think Woodley's getting the tattoo. Would you get a tattoo? I love Luke

Thomas. I think it should have been like, if you got knocked out you might have to get the tattoo, right? Yeah. Although that's adding insult to injury at that point. Someone asked me, how much longer does this bullshit go on for? Was this a good night or bad night for you two boxing? Good, not great. Good.

Good. But to the... That was okay. Well, no... The overall card was good. That fight was okay. But that fight was entertaining to a degree, though. To a degree.

And look, I think the week was fun. The week was great. The week was very good. You know what the fight had? It just didn't deliver on. And that's why people are frustrated. There were real moments, especially early, of tension. There was real tension in the fight.

But the problem is it just didn't amount to anything except that big punch from round four for Tyron. That was the only really... Think about it. Take that out. What's the other punctuated moment of that fight? There's a couple of times where they kind of clashed or a big punch landed or something like that. Jake had more...

Jake had more... Jake was more... Yes. Look, Jake can throw combos really well, going to the body and then coming back up with the left hook. His check hook is pretty good, too. Again, on this level, it's really damn good. I thought his check hook was surprisingly good

the whole time. The Barstool guys, not good at betting, it turns out. No, not good at all. They had a bad night. They may have also no-sold all of our jokes on Saturday's show. What are you going to do? That's okay. They wouldn't be the first or the last.

It was almost like a shop like no-hitter. It was just like, BC, I'm not fielding your shit. Tyron Woodley's first name was pronounced 75,000 different ways. I think it was just Tyron every single time except for I think one time Ariel got it right. There was like a one Tyrone I heard.

I did hear a Tyrone, yeah. I think that might have been Jake Paul. But they didn't get his name right. Phoenix Cardavali shouts to Phoenix for not letting Jake Paul steal your mic. It's the number one rule. You can ask Ariel. You can ask anybody. Number one rule.

Ariel had a battle with... Who was it? James Toney, the boxer, head of the Randy Couture fight. The one who tried to take his shirt? Yeah, yeah. Ariel held this grump. Never let him take your microphone, ever. Yeah.

It's good to see Phoenix on there. And, you know, Jake Paul wore... I'm sorry, Logan Paul, he wore a Cavs jersey on the air. Yep. It's very pro-Cleveland of him. Hey, were those guys from Cleveland? They would never let you know, you know? Did you think it was interesting that Woodley got split cheers and boos?

I did. Really surprised. Dude, I think MMA fans are really bitter at him because A, they wanted him to win, and B, they think that, like, oh, all he had to do was just turn it up. And I understand what they mean by that, but he's just not that guy anymore. I mean, look, both – So they're frustrated.

Would you say that both were keeping the threat of their knockout alive for the other one to kind of pull back and not throw it to him? I thought as time went on, the only – I said this at the beginning of the show before you were here, that as time went on, the only real danger was coming from Tyron, because I noticed that Jake was happy to, like, bop-bop and then move, you know? So, no, I think that was mostly Tyron. But, again, it was just so, you know, I'm going to chase it down,

or I got the guy against the ropes and I'm not pulling the trigger. That was the thing that bothered me, dude. It was consistently he would get Jake's back against the ropes and not let go. Dude, that was your time to let go. But, you know, his skills aren't there. Had Jake won by knockout, I think you would have actually wanted him back in the ring soon because you want to keep that momentum going.

Yes. Because this was lessons learned, but it wasn't an overall entertaining blockbuster type of exit feel. You were saying December you think he would come back? Late, late. Fourth quarter this year, first quarter next year. I mean, I'm wondering if they try to wait for the perfect opponent. You know what I mean?

They try to kind of start manufacturing and figuring out where that's going to come from. See what MMA fighter gets their contract shredded. Oh, you're available now because the promotion has moved on? See if Tito Ortiz has some moments against Andy Silva. Dude, Jesus Christ. Are they going to do Jake Paul versus Tito? I don't know.

I doubt it, but who knows? I think Anderson Silva outpoints him. Who, Tito? Jake. Yeah, Anderson Silva's going to beat Tito and or Jake. Pretty confident with that. In a boxing match? Yeah.

All right. That's it for us, dude. Cleveland was... It was hospitable. It was a little dangerous. Yeah. Dude, I went to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for almost three hours today.

It was awesome. Did you have fun? I had so much fun. They got this interactive garage area where you could pick up a guitar that's plugged in, and it's playing over the whole speakers and the plate, and you could just rip into it and teach yourself a song on the stereo. And then they got a piano you can do that at. They got drums you can do that at.

So you went there to play Guitar Hero? I did it for a little bit. And then next to it, they have karaoke bands. So you could come in and tell them what instrument you want to play or if you just want to sing and what song you want to do. And they have people that work there that are bass player and piano and drums. And this giant dude in this giant pink shirt got up there. And, dude, he belted out Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me by Elton John.

No shit. And by the end of it, dude, he had a crowd of people just coming out of nowhere in front of this. Someone sings that song right, you get some people tearing up in the audience. It was similar to Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure in the mall. Is that a George Michael song or a fucking... Sorry. I mean, they sang it together that time, right?

Yeah, I guess so. But it's not a Nelton song? Anyway, do you remember that scene in Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure in the Mall when Beethoven's got that jam session going and Genghis Khan's knocking shit out with the bat and stuff and they play that concert until the cops come? Yo, fuck Bill & Ted. Am I right? The new one.

Yeah, the new one. The new one sucks ass. I don't know if this was a big week for Morning Com, but we may have taken steps back as a brand. In terms of our internal relationships with a lot of these people, we may have taken some steps. It all goes back to that frat party that broke out. You know what? We've evaluated the fires.

We should evaluate ourselves. We had a very Tommy Fury performance, I feel like. Wow. Don't you? Wow. Don't you? Wow. Matt, did we have a Tommy Fury performance?

I mean, people were expecting big things. People wanted... They were already booking the territory in the future. When does Ariel and Luke get to work together at the same time? I got a lot of those messages. I bet that date, though. I bet it was good, though.

Ariel and I did not go on a date. We had a conversation. That's what we did. You wish we went on a date. You fucking creep. You know what I mean? The thing is about the two weeks where I was where it was Morton Campbell Can we end this? It was very comfortable

so if you guys need to get back together in some Harry Met Sally type way. If it's me and him you get the boot. You get the aboot. The thing is though, right? I've already established myself as a solo option. I mean, this guy had two weeks, right?

I'm not going to see you again for a while on the road, right? The timing could be perfect. By that point, none of us, we're not going to work for Showtime anymore. It's going to be great. We can just go do other things. Hey, if this is our last show together, we went out on top. We kind of went out at the bottom of a hotel that's dying. I don't have much more.

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We'll throw that up there. It is Morning Combat is everywhere. And then you can catch us on Instagram and Twitter. We are going to be back this week with live shows. We'll react to some of the stuff in the UFC and everything else. That's Brian Campbell. I want to thank everyone here from the Malka staff who made all the shows and all the CBS hits we did here possible.

So thanks to all of you. Thanks to Matt, our intrepid producer, who was, he was kind of here. If he didn't have his phone, you know, I don't know what he would have done this week. But he was, you know, he was here for some ways, I would say, you know, not totally right. I think this is our last show.

Yeah, it probably is. All right. Well, with that in mind, that's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you guys so much for watching. Until next time, peace.