MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Jake Paul vs. Tyron Woodley | Vacation Stories | What We Missed | Morning Kombat Ep 195

Episode Date: August 27, 2021

Luke Thomas and Brian Campbell are bringing you a BONUS Thursday episode of Morning Kombat. The boys will talk Jake Paul vs. Tyron Woodley, share some stories from their vacations and discuss some of the latest news they missed while out. You won't want to miss it! Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit: store.sho.com   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat  To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You hear that? Ugh, paid. And done. That's the sound of bills being paid on time. But with the BMO Eclipse Rise Visa Card, paying your bills could sound like this. Yes! Earn rewards for paying your bill in full and on time each month.

Rise to rewards with the BMO Eclipse Rise Visa Card. Terms and conditions apply. Reveille, reveille, dogs. Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life. This is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas.

I'm Brian Campbell. This is Morning Combat. Oh, yeah, they say Virginia is for lovers. We wouldn't know that because we're in Cleveland, Ohio. Does it rock, Luke? You're going to have to decide. Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas, Morning Combat in the echo chamber here known as this former turn-of-the-century speakeasy here. Do you remember that scene from Pulp Fiction where they were like, bring out the gimp?

Yes. That's where we are. That's where we are in the bowels of this place. But happy to be here in this uh do you remember that scene from Pulp Fiction where they were like bring out the gimp yes that's where we are that's where we are in the bowels of this place but happy to be here in Cleveland Ohio I know what you were saying wasn't this week supposed to be about reunions right well the first one is happening right here because Luke you and I have not done a show together forget about proximity brother have not done a show together in two and a half weeks. Luke, in 2021, God bless you and your family, who goes on a two-week vacation? You know, the Canadians are coming.

It's Woodley Paul fight week. You know, to just pick out, open the calendar and just, you know, shoot a fluid out and whatever bingo chip and fell on, you know, the cow might shit. We'll get them in here. I don't know what you're asking.

I don't know what that means. Was that English? It was a combination of a lot of, you know, I them in here. I don't know what you're asking. I don't know what that means. Was that English? It was a combination of a lot of, you know, middle-class. I took two weeks because I didn't take a vacation in 2020, and if I didn't, my wife was going to leave me. So there you go. I've been there. Yeah, I've been there.

We must protect this house. Pretty simple calculus. Luckily, Luke, and we'll get into your vacation and all that and catch up on our two-weeks missed. Your boy BC was able to hold it down. But we're back together, and the event, of course, this Sunday night. Showtime pay-per-view. Jake Paul, Tyron Woodley, your boys

BC and LT have been on the ground covering all that shit. Sucka, including Wednesday's outdoor workout, public, you know, media workout and interviews, which was a great time hosting that with you, even though I sweat just an inordinate amount. I didn't believe that my body could produce that much sweat.

You looked like a dad who had to give over his financial information before divorce court. I mean, it was bad. No more Rumpelstiltskin jokes, please. And then Thursday is today. And you and I hosted the final press conference, which got a little bit hairy in there, which we're going to get into and really break that down. It's your lead story on freaking TMZ.com right now with your boys in that third graph from the top. And, you know, we'll be hosting Saturday's weigh-in, and it's a wild time here in Cleveland.

So let's start right there, Luke. Your impression a couple days in. Does the land lead you to believe anything people here are miserable uh cleveland sucks i mean it's fine the people are very nice but there's not many of them like you go to a downtown i've discovered this like i've been to a few downtown midwestern cities they're they're empty i don't know how else to explain it. If you go to downtown Chicago or downtown LA, well, downtown LA is actually like half-skid

road, but New York, Philly, D.C., there's people. There's nobody here. It's weird. It's very interesting. I didn't even know the Cleveland Indians were going to be changing that name to the Guardians. How did you miss that news?

This is a tight circle, a bubble here that is my life of all things combat sports. Now, wrestling is making a comeback in my life. I don't have the time to read your sports headlines. Every morning, you've got to open up something and check out how that Washington football team did.

Portly is usually the answer. I couldn't care regarding that. You and I will be, by the way, taking in an Indians game Friday night. That's right. Some of our friends and family are at showtime. Here is how fucking spoiled we are. I asked him, I was like, hey, do you want to go to the, is there a ball game in town for the time we're here? He's like, actually, there is.

Red Sox, baby. And he was like, but, you know, I don't want to go get tickets and sit in a thing. I was like, you know what would be great? What we should do if Showtime pays for a, not a studio, but a, what do you call it? A suite. A suite. A suite. Then we'll go.

And then sure enough, our producer greets us. He's like, hey, we have a suite at the ball game on Friday. We're like, Indian paint right here. The only problem is we're going to put you in a post-World War II hotel. That's the only problem. This hotel is just. It's fantastic. But Paul Woodley is what's getting

us fired up this week, and I mentioned reunions. Good Lord. Has the good Lord helped just open up the flood of storylines and non-fiction goodness for what will be documentary number 5? Even less than Jake, our documentarian, not even on the team this week doing this documentary.

Our normal guy who makes the doc is actually following Tyron Woodley 24-7 for the all-access show. So he will have a hand afterwards, as he always does, in taking all this chicken shit

and trying to bake chicken salad out of it. Yes, that's right. But he won't be the guy following us around. So maybe it'll be like when the new Star Wars movies

get the different director each time and then suddenly you've got episode 9 and everybody's standing around like there are things caught between their legs. So maybe doc 5. The 9th movie is just Chewbacca

playing the trombone. Chewbacca's like, fuck! Chewbacca will fuck that ass up. I wonder if doc 4 was a surprise hit. Because there was a lot of pressure coming off of doc 3. It was abstract. It was BC holding that shit together.

It was like physical comedy and shit. Those docs do barely any better numbers than your boxing interviews. I mean the amount of attention you give them is really disproportionate. Doc four, a surprise hit. I mean I had famous people reach nuts. Our producer is, oh they're nodding

when I said that about the numbers. Yeah, you gotta get those numbers up, player. Well doc five's gonna get a little bit saucy. We've got a lot, You know sometimes you just... You got the doc cameras around, anything can happen, and you happen to pick up something juicy as shit.

We got it. Can't wait for the people to see it. Reunions about two worlds collide. Rival Nations. I think you're markedly dead. You just all of a sudden got dead in my ear. That was just your soul, you know? Just, just...

My soul left whatever was in my body. That was just your soul. My soul left whatever was letting me waste my body a long time ago. USA and Canada are going to have a rematch of that Olympic hockey final

from a little bit more than a decade ago. This week, we'll see what happens on Doc 5 and see the end of that. We're getting a chance to catch up.

Look at what Jake Paul and Tyron Woodley. By the way, we don't have a rundown for this year. It's like Coach Peters, the Naugatikai football coach. Not a great gym teacher.

State championship winning coach, though. Do you know what his gym classes were? Roll out the balls. I've got to go game plan for Friday night's game. You guys do what you want. Was he a Sandusky acolyte? Yes. No, no, no.

I thought you meant like the hardworking people of Sandusky, Ohio. No, no, no. I was talking about something much worse. We are the factory types. Not that type, though. Now, you know what we need in the background is more people walking around. Yeah, just staring at us. Just comfortable Gaff coming and going.

Gaff's been an MVP this week. Shout out to Gaff. I know. Can I tease my producers? Is that okay with you? Look, there's a lot of things I want to talk about this weekend. We're talking about the press conference today. There's a lot of things to talk about.

One of them, though, is this event brought together in multiple worlds yet so far in a good way. All of our MMA media brethren are on the ground this week. There's a few boxing guys,

but it's much more MMA heavy with Tyrone Woodley, former UFC champion. I'm not sure I agree with that. So far. You mean on the ground?

On the ground so far. All I'm saying is it feels like people are happy to be there. You usually get that feeling right when you show up to cover Fight Week. If the fans and the media, are they happy to be there or are they just going through the motions?

This one feels like people are happy to be here. No one knows if Jake Paul's for real. You're obviously polarizing the split if you think he's entertaining and fun or you think he's an absolute douchebag. But I feel like people are coming together this week because it's bringing in so many different potential audiences. Tommy Fury's on the undergird, so to speak. Women's Go Made About. in so many different potential audiences. Tommy Fury's on the undergird so to speak. You know, Women's School made it about a lot of different

parts there that I kind of like the, this is like a wedding with multiple weird families. Yeah, it's actually a good way to, I like that.

It is a wedding between like disparate families from different parts of the world. I actually feel like on the ground, and there's no way to really measure, I mean Showtime would,

like the PR people would know better. I actually feel like it's pretty close to a 50-50-ish kind of split with media. In terms of predictions for the fight? No, just in terms of who's here. Today at the press room,

I was looking at who was there. There were the MMA sides. You had Casey Lydon from MMA Fighting. You had Ellie Sekback was in the front from boxing. Schmo, baby. Schmo, he's crossing over. He does a lot of boxing now, too. So does Marcos Villegas from Fight Hub. He does both boxing and MMA. too. So does Marcos Villegas from Fight Hub. He does both boxing and MMA. You can pronounce it that way.

I do. But in any event, I felt like it was a pretty decent cross-section of both. But you're right. You know what's funny? Maybe you disagree with this because you cover boxing much longer. I always feel like when I go to MMA events, I get a little tense with the media. I go to boxing events and there's beef, but everyone's a little bit less on it. Sometimes the feeling can change depending on what network is putting on the fight, depending on which promoter is the lead promoter. Sometimes you do have those UFC type feels where it's just contention between media and But see for this one, Jake and

Tyron have done an absolute ass load of media. Anybody who wanted a one-on-one with him has basically gotten him at this point. So like media aren't like trying to shove each other out of the way to be the first one to get a microphone in the other guy's face. We know that Jake is not only

the co-top billing here in the face of this whole celebrity crossover boxing movement. He's got his own Showtime pay-per-view deal. But he's also like the co-producer of this event, co-promoter of this event. I'm not sure how much we can say, but he's 50% in control of it. He's wearing a lot of hats and he's pulling it off. And how it went down, I'm talking to our boys from Submission Radio, shout out to Casper and Dennis. And they had asked me, you know, will this one live up to the commercial expectations?

You know, one thing I said was, you're going to need something juicy. Or you're going to prefer. You're going to want something juicy that happens in one of these press events. It was unplanned and not the juice we expected to get. But we talk about, you know, this is a nontraditional fight city in Cleveland, so we make Cleveland jokes about the despair and the loneliness, but I like that it's a different setting. It's a special night, special time, and sort of special fight within your typical boxing pay-per-view realm.

And then today we got a, I don't want to call it a special outcome, because Tyron Woodley's mother was unfortunately verbally accosted, and there was nearly a riot that local security, local police showed up. I mean, you know, we were lucky it didn't turn into something crazy, but I talked about being the lead story on something like TMZ.com. It got there, right? The news got there that there was something wild that went on. What do you think that effect will be twofold? The intensity of the fight, and I thought the press conference, by the way, that led up to it was good back and forth, made you laugh

it was whatever, but in terms of the intensity of the fight and in terms of the potential pay-per-view buying off. I don't think there's any doubt that it helps the pay-per-view buys. How much remains to be seen, I guess we'll never know or we won't know until all the buys are in, but there's no denying, and by the way, some folks are going to say, oh this was

staged and blah blah blah. I'm sure that the cynicism is generally warranted. I don't think that's necessarily true, but certainly I can understand why people might believe that. That's fine. I wouldn't really argue with it. What was interesting to me was Tyron afterwards said, no, this doesn't add anything. I had maximum competitive preparation and fire for this prior to this. I do, and it wasn't Jake who did it.

Jake was actually in the back. It was actually some of his dudes and his people. Jake has a large extended team all dressed in Cleveland Browns, bright orange and dark brown. The worst color pairing on earth. They were everywhere in, you know, Beefster. And then we saw Tommy Woodley's sister getting that dude's face. So basically there was a dude in the...

There were several. This is the difference between MMA and boxing pressers. In... I should say UFC and boxing. In UFC, unless it's a really big presser, they will absolutely control who is in there. In boxing... They'll step back and let something happen, but it's not a counter fight.

They are weary of the commission's fining. I always go back to, but I remember when Lamont Peterson fought Amir Khan, and this was at the time when Khan had Khan's army following him everywhere he would go.

Lamont got a questionable decision in that fight, and at the post-fight presser, Khan's army was there. So basically, like the boxing pressers, they'll just let in entourages, fans,

whoever, randos. I mean, the same guy who talked shit to Conor McGregor wearing the loud sport coat was also in attendance today. He was there. He was playing peacemaker, trying to keep Tyron back, having the relationship through Dean Thomas' radio coach in Miami.

But it was just a wild fight. Boxing is the events. They're always more of a circus. Every time. And I thought... It lands the whole night. And I thought today really hit the mark with the trash talk. And it was corny at times, but it was funny.

Both, meaning Tyrone Woodley and Jake Paul, were pretty edgy and smart and on point in terms of establishing. Tyrone feels overlooked, and he feels like you're just being a clown. I mean, Jake Paul was shirtless with a lot of ice, tats showing everywhere, wild beard. Where did you fall on the line between the extremes of trying too hard and lame or like man this guy's so cool he just can't help but keep doing cool shit where did you fall in terms of the look and feel that pissed off Tyron Woodley

see for me I think I said this briefly on the broadcast before we were interrupted by that whole melee which was my first reaction when the presser was over was I thought that Tyron basically handled it as well as he could have. This is, in many ways, the Jake Paul show. I did feel bad for Tyron, which is, Jake Paul, and I didn't feel bad for Tyron that Jake Paul said mean things, because that's just the game and you just got to deal with it. I did feel bad

that, like, if you're new to this or you're a Jake Paul fan or you kind of know who Tyron Woodley is or like the last four fights is all you really know about him. I was like, dude, Tyron Woodley in his prime was a motherfucker. He was a great fighter. And you even heard Jake Paul say, I'm going to show you that being a UFC champion over here, me in boxing means absolutely nothing.

I don't respect what you did. I don't respect shit about you. I was like, dude, I felt bad because I was like, dude. When Tyron was on it, he had a great fucking career. It ended badly or whatever for UFC, but I don't know. Did you not feel a little bit like he's being disrespected up there? Here's what's interesting, though. And because Jake Paul is so polarizing,

you could watch the pre-melee part of the press conference, just the talking, and you could be on either. And if you're on either side, I bet you're a hundred percent on either side, meaning you either think he's the lamest Jake Paul, the lamest circus clown sort of guy who rolled out of bed and just kind of stumbled into this. Or you could see him as this meme ahead of the game, entrepreneurial genius troller who just constantly knows how to light off these firecrackers to pick piss people off. I mean, he was on point from that regard. So I think that it could baby face up so to speak to steal a wrestling term and making Tyron Woodley almost the the man the one that more people are cheering for and then you have that melee which again wasn't Jake's fault it was an extended member of his team

who talked some trash and gotten Tyron's mother's face allegedly and yelled you know talk talk some crap to her and said some pretty inappropriate things. But it was when you see the headlines of like Jake Paul's teammate messes with Woodley's mama, that's going to make Woodley a sympathetic, you know, and you're already going to have enough people just wanting to see Jake Paul get knocked out, whether they they're a boxing purist that doesn't want to welcome in or whether you're just a hater of that culture and all the things going on with the YouTube social media influencers. I feel like Tyson, Tyron Woodley kind of won in different ways from this press conference. If there's victories to be had, I thought it

clarified some of the roles. We discussed this yesterday at the media workout, which was Tyron spent a lot of his UFC run as like a chip on my shoulder, me against the world, up against management, kind of like an F you to everybody. I don't get the credit I deserve. Taking on someone as polarizing as Jake Paul, that kind of flipped. Think about it. I'm not saying she's the most popular person, but who has

the highest likability rating in all of MMA? It's Tyron Woodley's mom by a country mile. Holly Holmes is pretty close in that regard too. Maybe. She gets white baby face pops when she shows up at public workouts. That's fine. White meat baby face cheering for the

good of the world people that come up. That's fine. Whatever you want to say, going against Tyron Woodley's mom or at least bringing her into this whole thing, even if you didn't know who she was, you're just a boxing fan, you're going to be like, dude dude what the fuck is up with that like it kind of clarified that they're whatever and you know if you're a jake paul fan you won't believe this but it kind of clarified that jake paul while he's running the show is a little bit rubbing people the wrong way and that

tyrant is uh adopting a role where he's presumed to be much more likable than he was during his ufc okay you know what I liked about Jake Paul's performance in Thursday's press conference? I mean, he's all freaking in. The sleep line was pretty funny. He has a stupid amount of confidence in BDE, to steal a term from the show. He really does.

I mean, he has an excessive amount. So either he really is just a loudmouth badass who's going to figure out a way to knock out Tyron Woodley and talk to all this shit leading up. Cause he's just like, man, I can't lose. Or this is going to be a humbling loss on Sunday night,

because I feel like the more that we've seen from Tyron Woodley, whether it be workout videos, whether it be the interview you and I had with him, which is available on YouTube morning, YouTube.com slash morning combat, all the interviews that we did. I just feel like tyron woodley is uh yeah okay so our video is playing on the tmz site yeah that's not bad not bad i you look

you want you want clicks you want energy you put bc there and just unleash yeah that was the really the magic there right yes we're sweating up that people don't even understand i know i played the i played the fool on Wednesday. I sweat in the public square with the tent. People didn't see the tent around us. It was hot as balls, and my shirt and my body did not stand up to the pressure they were on. But what overshadowed their failure was my willingness to fight through it and dominate. So that's established, right? You were a sweaty freaking mess today.

And it wasn't even an outdoor situation. It was like a two-block walk. It was not two blocks. But it wasn't like you were a little. Dude, literally. I know I don't have ground to stand on right now. You don't. And everything you've said in the last two minutes has been false.

Everything you have said, literally. You don't understand the BC you are receiving. You took two weeks off. You left a barren landscape in the morning combat universe. Although I thank you to our friends in the business who helped filled in some of those gaps and the cracks and the holes. Um, but Luke, you, it's like you left me there with this giant machine of just BBE that I can plug in and just blow up. And I'm just getting blown by this machine, Luke. And I am full. My head is huge right now. Yeah, I know.

You shouldn't be because you should see my DMs about you. Would you say, okay, let's put our cards on the table. Would you say that I'm the Jake Paul of MMA media? No, you're nothing close to the Jake Paul of media. I'll say this. It was funny because- We got that same BDE though, right? You definitely don't. I was funny. I was looking at my DMS from the show. Well, I'm just, you know, on vacation. And I told BC this at the airport, they were split right down the middle. I mean, 50, 50, not 51, 49, 50, 50. I would get one that would be like, Luke, you ain't missed fucking BC is captain of this ship. Fucking find another job.

I'd be like, damn, BC must be killing it. And then I'd look at the next DM and be like, how is this colobus monkey hired alongside of you? Fire this loser immediately. First of all, I get that there's people that, I mean, they don't have any personality or understanding of art. So I get that there's going to be a,

not even a 1%, maybe even like a 15, 20%. I'll give you the credit. You have built up a large audience and in that large audience as the hardcore MMA fan, they only want the technical breakdown. Sorry, guys, dissected, not coming back right now. And this guy, not man enough to fight, to bring it back. Yeah. That's the issue. Wow. That's the issue. Get a little on you. Some of that BDE. So my point is you're always going to have is you're always going to have. Look at me. You're always going to have.

No one has ever accused you of having BDE that's a female, ever. Wow. Ever. You're always going to have that percentage. I'm going to ask your wife if you have BDE. But that percentage aside. When you're out there and she tells you to mow the fucking yard. I think there's some people that just, they're missing what I'm doing.

They don't even get the reference of what I'm doing. That's true. I'm just talking into a funnel of ridiculousness. When I basically gathered what I was, I was like, well, BC must be being himself. Honestly, that's kind of the way that it should be. It should be that the two bring different things, and then when it gets together, it's like bacon soda and vinegar. It just explodes, bro. It just explodes.

People want us to be friends. I don't want to be friends with your ass. I like being friends with you, actually. I'll say this about Tyrone Woodley before we completely get off of it. I feel like heading into this week, I was a little bit like, yeah, he's going to get run over. And I still think that's probably – I still think he'll probably lose. Are you getting a little bit of we're overlooking him vibes?

A hundred percent. That's what I was sort of trying to point to just a few minutes ago before I had to really put it out there. How well I kept this shit, this shit and the ship afloat with this guy just gone from the hemisphere. I will say that, um, Tyron Woodley has won me over with his confidence poise,

which are things that like we already knew about him coming in. So it's like, that Tyron Woodley has won me over with his confidence, poise, which are things that we already knew about him coming in. So it's like you got this guy that they both have questions that can only be answered in the ring, yet Woodley's already answered a lot of these foundational questions that we don't know if Jake has. Oh, Jake's got BDE with the shirt off in front of the microphone. But what does Jake have in round three? What does Jake have in round four?

I feel like there's more of a safe bet in certain categories from Woodley that we are just dismissing maybe because of 39 years old, four straight losses in the UFC. The assumption, which I have fallen on that sort of, oh, well, you know, Jake Paul's a lot bigger. He's a bigger boy. Well, he is a bigger boy. But as Woodley's trying to say,

I'm only four inches shorter than him. I'm at that walk-around weight all the time. This whole thing about Jake Paul is enormous. No, he's not. He's about normal for an athlete at 190. There's nothing particularly unusual about his size in that sense. But would you say, between the words they exchanged and all of the public incidents and the media moments this week, all the interviews they've done elsewhere,

that Tyron Woodley's story is properly being told this week. His chances of potentially winning this fight are now, as you look at the odds, which are very close, being properly sold, that if Jake Paul still comes over the top and knocks him out, it will be looked at as even more impressive if it's done right. Like, it's building up now where Tyron's getting, he's not over, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know.

Like, I mean, yes. Sort of, sort of. I still, you know, on Showtime, obviously having access to some of the footage from UFC about what Tyron did hurts the storytelling, right? It's hard to tell without exactly seeing. And he was good in Strikeforce,

but that wasn't the very best of him. He didn't use his hands in Strikeforce much. And then when he did against Marquardt, it went quite poorly. So the point is this. In that sense, it's kind of hard to tell what Tyron did. I don't know.

I don't know. Yeah, I mean, listen. When he beat Askren, I was like, dude, this is a clear setup where you just want to beat someone who was a UFC fighter that was an Olympian. You could say, wow, you're beating UFC fighters. But, like, the guy was retired, had a hip replaced before the whole shit. Tyron's not in that ballgame, but this is the point I wanted to make.

Like, yesterday, when we talked to him, and even today, all these interviews, when we asked him what went wrong with the last four losses, he was like, well, I was caught up living the lifestyle. And it's like, okay, he's answered questions to your point about, you know, what, what can you show when you're an animal of adversity and how high can you climb those broader questions he's answered. But about the last four fights, there's a lot of unanswered questions. Like on the one hand, I am very much of the belief that like, I don't know, I feel like we're kind of overlooking towering a little bit. I don't know which way and how it's going to go but the other part of me is like dude am i supposed to believe you're going to lose four times like that and all of a sudden just turn it around because jake paul's relatively novice in boxing maybe but i haven't heard a sufficient answer for me to think that he could turn around that that problem or maybe what we said on day one when this fight was announced is still true

that it's perfect matchmaking because we don't know what it's going to look like. Like, I could entertain both scenarios of dominance either way and completely believe it from what I know coming in. But I think the best case scenario is that they hurt each other. They both have to get up off the canvas. And we kind of see in this moment who's the tougher one and more suited for this. And I don't know, like, I've said this all along. Like, the guy who wins may not be the better boxer of the two

because we're at such a low novice ability that you can just swing for the fences. I see what happens. This is the part I want to say. It's a great, I really agree. I think that's a smart, smart way to put it. PC. It's like PC. Did I say PC?

Yeah. That's that could not describe me. Okay. Piss Campbell's new name. Uh, in all seriousness, someone might win this for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with demonstrating superior boxing skill. That is entirely possible. A finish, by the way, is even possible in that way. That's wild.

So when you think about it that way, it's like, you know, does it prove a whole lot for Jake? This is the thing I was wrestling with for the last couple of weeks is what does a win, a non-controversial win, but what does a win over Tyron Woodley actually mean? Forget about what fight it sets up. In the ring, what value can be conferred upon Jake based on those results? And it's very hard to understand and know. If it was a blowaway first round knockout,

I don't think he would get as much. It would fit into the theme still of your fighting non-boxers and older fighters and stiffs. If he could overcome some type of adversity in a fun fight. Because the fun fight element would carry the genre forward, right? It'd be like, well, man, win or lose, I want to see this. That was what the problem was with Mayweather and Logan. It was like Mayweather was supposed to knock him out, didn't.

And so Logan overperformed in the sense that he didn't get finished. But he underperformed in the sense of entertainment completely. And it was boring. It was basically boring. These two, they got to get after it. This is the one. This is the one. I feel it in that regard. And it's not me wishing it for our own numbers or paychecks.

It's the fact that I think everyone understands and realizes, and maybe that's why there's such a big media turnout, that this has some very interesting future long-term implications, but just the actual fight itself. And now you add what happened today at the press conference. This has the potential to be wild. Luke, it's switching gears to a degree,

but it's still in the same ballpark of the themes we're representing. When you were going through your DMs while on vacation, was there any fear giving your large distrust of management, even with companies that you currently work for at times, because of how jaded you are as a person? That part of you was like, man, I hope BC didn't do so well solo that maybe just the time being away, Willie Pep, like maybe I just wore out my welcome because of his performance.

Like that BDE was so strong, brother, that like maybe I come back to same chair. Just doesn't, it's not as comfortable. Are you asking me that was I worried in my absence that they would realize they could do the show with you alone? Absence does make everyone else's heart that normally deals with you fonder. No, I got to tell you, I looked at the subscription numbers in my absence, and I realized pretty quickly that the ship would sink if I'm not here. Okay, all right.

Well, it's great to have you back. Are you going to wait until this evening's Room Service Diaries Cleveland style to tell your horror story with vacation. Should I tell it here or should I tell it on RSD? It's up to you. You are a content creator. I can tell it here. I can tell it here since you brought it up. So basically, BC knows the whole story.

My vacation was a nightmare. It started out a nightmare. It did not end up one. But long story short, my wife and I had planned. She hadn't seen her family in a couple of years because of the pandemic and everyone knows the whole story. These are the Colombians. That's right. For context. So we were flying to Columbia on my first day of vacation and my wife, the flight luckily was not till 4 PM. And my wife woke up with the baby around 6 30 and she woke me and she goes, I can't smell or taste anything and i'm like oh

jesus fuck all right i said look let's just go get a covid test and see how this goes and because she's fully vaxxed with pfizer and um so she went and got a test and uh sure enough she was she had covid so did she have the the delta brand or the uh? She did. So then the doctor tells us that the kid has to get tested and everyone else in the house has to get tested. So Felipe, who was there. Uncle Pepe. He has Moderna vaccine. He did not get it. Strong genes.

Strong genes. I got tested. I did not get it. My daughter got tested. She did not get it. So we had a call with the pediatrician and everything else. We had to get tested every fucking day. It daughter got tested. She did not get it. So we had a call with the pediatrician and everything else. We had to get tested every fucking day. It was a fucking awful, uh, but it was pretty miraculous because within three days, all of her symptoms went away and I never got it.

Felipe never got it. Uh, the nanny didn't get it. And abuela abuela is in Columbia. And, uh, the more important one is the only one who was unvaxxed in the house was my daughter. She did not get it. So the doctor doesn't really know, but his best explanation was what probably happened was that the viral load that my wife was shedding, uh, was so small that a, my vaccine and natural antibodies, whatever stopped it. And then the, the kids obviously are, they're much more resistant to COVID than adults. And it, it resisted it as well.

So the vaccine, the doctor believes, again, who the fuck knows, but he believes that it was important because otherwise everyone in the house would have gotten it. It was a tense situation. I'm so glad that it worked out well, although you did use viral load on your wife in the same sense as I could not get away from that. I didn't say jizz load. I said viral load. I'm like, Tommy Fury's DMs? What's going on here? The long story short is then we had to call andizz load. I said viral DMs. What's going on here? But the long story

short is we, then we had to call and cancel everything. Here's what, let me give a recommendation. If you are flying anywhere and they ask you, Hey, do you want the little insurance on your ticket for like 10 bucks or whatever it is, 20 bucks by that shit. Cause what happened was when my wife got it, she calls up Avianca, which is the airline, and they're like, unless you can prove it with your insurance, because she bought the thing with the test. So if you have the insurance with a positive test, they give us a 100% refund on the tickets. I was fucking blown away by that.

So, folks, whether you're vaccinated or not, when you travel somewhere, buy the ticket insurance. It will save you in the end. True or false, though, and thankfully your wife turned out fine, although COVID did cancel the Colombian trip. It did. You switched gears and said, let me go to a place where they don't recognize COVID and still have a vacation, so you flew to Florida.

Florida. So what happened was we waited for my wife to get two full days of full negative PCR tests. So that happened after about five days. She had no symptoms after three, happened after about five. We were just chilling at home like nothing happened. So then we figured out, all right, let's go to Florida. Here's what we looked at. The kids in Florida are back in school. So we looked at the availability of the parks, Hollywood Studios, Magic Kingdom. Everything was wide open. All the hotels, wide open. Everything was wide open. My wife's a meeting planner. I said, get to work.

Make me a sandwich, bitch. Not quite like that. So she went and booked everything, and so we went to Florida. We stayed at a great hotel about 10 miles from Magic Kingdom. Had a great lazy river in the pool. There was hardly anybody there. There was hardly anybody else at Magic Kingdom.

And that was my daughter's first trip, And it was, uh, she seemed to love it. She seemed to have a freaking great time. So it wasn't much, right. You know how this goes. They don't tell you this when you're a new parent and I say new within, you know, a kid is still not really speaking the language fully. A child is how a dad would describe. You don't go on vacation for yourself. You go on vacation for them. You don't get a lot of rest. But the kid was happy, which made me happy. The child, yes. And I should ask you, my wife is completely fine.

I'm fine. We never got it. Are your folks okay? They are. They're doing well. Very happy. I mean, look, with the extreme level, especially that my mom had, there's a recovery period and breathing.

It takes time. It takes time. But very, very happy for that. Happy that things turned out well for your wife. You know, you are, you are the Dr. Luke Fauci of the show. So I didn't want to be playing any Atlanta songs in the background. I'm being honest with you. Is that ironic or coincidental? We had, we had, we had the reality. The reality is with the Delta variant, it can break through some of the vaccines that broke through hers. But the good news is my wife barely

had any symptoms. I never got it. My unvaccinated child never got it. And we were able to then pivot to go on vacations within about a week. So pretty great. I would like to build the legend of Pepe just for a second or for as long as you'd hang with me on this. Does he swipe? What does that mean?

Swipe right to say yes to chicks to potentially bang them? Oh, is he on the apps? Yeah, is he on the apps? I mean, his English is pretty good, right? He's fluent, yeah. He's not going to watch this, so I'm going to say this. Dude, Pepe just laying pipe all over different continents. Dude, this guy's got like three girlfriends in Columbia.

Uncle Pepe just spreading the seed. Dude, Uncle Pepe is fucking murdering the game. He's John Fury. He's like the Aioli of this in a lot of ways. You know what I mean? It's just incredible. Wow.

Something like that. Shout out to Uncle Pepe, indeed. Wow, what a guy. I'd love to get him on the show. I'd love to get your brother on the show. One day, Luke, this is your life. I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this.

Felipe would come on the show. Oh, shit. Yeah, Uncle Pepe would come on the show. Okay. My brother. Nah, nah. I'll put it this way. Between my father and my brother getting them on the show,

you have a much better chance with my brother than you do my father and my brother, getting them on the show, you have a much better chance with my brother than you do my father. Getting my dad on the, you'll get my dad on the moon before you get him on this show. Okay, that's interesting. Let's see if I can pull some connections there. Why don't you DM my brother again,

see if that works. That didn't work, but yeah. All right, so Luke, we were off for two and a half weeks of doing it. Can you speak at least, because there were some people that were upset and I don't think their long-term upsetness was justified, but the last 24 to 48 hours, they have called us out for not letting them know that there wouldn't be a live show on Wednesday for no instruction, no tweet. Our social media team could not put out a tweet, Luke. Am I blaming them or directly you,

who sometimes feels like you handle the load of these social ideas? It was a little bit disconcerting that you didn't care about the average fan who had to wait out two full weeks for you. Then we don't tell them about Wednesday. We don't tell them about this bonus show. It's kind of been a little bit of an SS, if you will. And I'm not talking about Steve Smoger, the Hall of Fame referee. I'm talking about shit show.

Yeah, it's been a shit show. I'll apologize for that, that I didn't oversee that happening. Can you apologize at all of the, you know, we know that you had to protect this house. I'm not talking about the structure of this, which is not strong. Which you are challenging. Not even our marriage, your marriage. You've got to make time for family. So I love that, Luke. But there's people that are going to say, the Canadians are coming.

It's a big time in media right now. We got to bang, bro. Yeah, we haven't done a great job with anything. We did not do a good job. I don't feel like coordinating the vacations. We didn't do a good job of how those shows were going to go. We didn't do a good job. I don't feel like coordinating the vacations. We didn't do a good job of how those shows were going to go. We didn't do a good job of figuring out this week. And did I mail in our two vacation Q&A shows?

There's a possibility that I did. There's a little bit of mailing in that went there. So I'm not going to put all the blame on you. But I can't be mad about it. You got to do what you got to do. I understand that. But here's what I can say. For all of the things that did not necessarily go as smoothly as they should have for the

last couple of weeks, Train is back on the tracks now. We are doing this show. We're doing a show tomorrow. We're doing the weigh-ins on Saturday. We'll do a post-fight show for MK on Sunday night. We are doing a room service diaries, a documentary. Things are back. Things are back in a big way.

Okay. We went on lockdown. This piece just fell right into my lap. That is interesting. I'll work on this while we're talking. Hey, I'll touch your lap. No, fell right into my lap. That is interesting. I'll work on this while we're talking. I'll touch your lap. No, no, no, no. Why?

Is something wrong about that? No, there's no BDE with that. By the way, I just want to put this out here. I want to say it on air so everyone knows and not pressures you. Dying Fetus is playing at the Webster in Hartford, Connecticut on November 18th. I want him to go with me. He is resisting. We would film it for the documentary.

If you want to see that. I'm not a big fan of abortion rock. If you want to see that, me and BC go see Dying Fetus November 18th. I want you to email the show, morningcombat at gmail.com. Cast your vote. That Webster Underground Theater is in a bad part of Hartford, and it's got a history of rocking. I've seen at that venue. You've been there. Oh, yeah, many times. But you got to be careful where you park. I mean, it's a thing there. I saw Twisted Sister there. I saw Sebastian Bach,

Dickie Betts, Bob Weir and Rat Dog, and I feel like I've seen a couple metal bands there as well. Sebastian Bach is not... It's metal technically, but it's not... Yeah, but there's some theatrical sort of singing. That's the kind of metal my wife likes. Okay. She's big into... Does she like Slaughter? Because that was the last great metal album

right before Nirvana flipped the... The kind of metal she likes that you wouldn't like would be like European black metal. You don't like that. But the American hair metal stuff, like 1980s in your face shit... Stand by this. They're kind of the Jake Paul of this scene. Poison in the

80s could have been... They were cheesy as F at times, but they could fucking rock, dude. I had front row tickets to see Poison in 02 and 03. Heavily, heavily in the weeds for those shows, but they kicked ass, Luke. And that's their

washed up period, okay? Prime Poison, you're not into that? You're not feeling CC on guitar? No, my wife dragged me to, not a Poison show, but she dragged me to who was the guy, John Karabi? Who did he fill in for? He was like a part-time lead. Was it Motley Crue? Was he a

We have some of our camera crew. Who is it? I can't hear you. Speak up. Motley Crue? He was the brief lead singer, right? Yeah. So I saw John Karabi at like the soundstage in Baltimore. He was whatever. But then my wife took me to see, I think this was in the Nissan Pavilion,

or maybe it's Jiffy Lube Pavilion, whatever it's called now. I saw Motley Crue there at one of their summer shows. I left the bitch. It was one of the worst fucking shows I've ever seen. See, that music doesn't typically age well in terms of the performance of it. And I got lice at this place, even though it was outdoors. So that's what you get when you go to motley do you think you'll catch covid here in cleveland this week it's a gear if i i mean my wife had it in the house that i didn't get it so we are following to a core and a t all by matt am i gonna get am i gonna get covid here

yeah probably probably uh luke this show has been a little bit off the rails i'm not looking to end it anytime so i don't even know what time it is, but I like to entertain people. We've been on for about 45 minutes. You have a very important meeting this week. Can you get into that? No, no, no, no, no. Not today. Not today.

You've got to wait for that to happen before we really get into it. We'll see. We'll see how it goes. Don't do that. Don't do that. I'm sorry. Sorry. Don't do that.

We don't have commercials here. I can't breathe through this. Just throw it to commercial. I just like to put you right in the fire. We asked, I want to say this, we asked Tommy Fury about his DMs, and he was like, oh, I don't, you know, I can't breathe. Just throw it to commercial. I just like to put you right in the fire. We asked, I want to say this. We asked Tommy Fury about his DMs, and he was like, oh, I don't even check them. Tommy Fury, you're lying. Yeah, bro.

Can you imagine the people, the women throwing themselves? If he didn't check them, he'd been like, what's that? I don't know. Is there a way you can email each other privately through an app? He wouldn't have known. Although I did look up his, I mean, he is madly in love with molly may madly in love with her okay that she finished i think she won the season of love island where he was runner-up they're still dating did you hear the intensity and i think all marriages should be like this although he's not married right of how much the commitment and love he has that's why he said said, I ain't even going in those bitches, those DMs.

I don't need them. I am a man who is satisfied. I looked that couple up. Luke, that's a beautiful couple. Dude, if I looked like him and I had his money and his fame and I had DMs like that and I was 22. And eyes like that, Luke? I would be just burning a trail through the United Kingdom. You know, you and Pepe would go on a,

me and Pepe just laying pipe. You Pepe and Ron Mexico would be that tree. I would be taking over the world. Yes. Wow. Did anyone hear that? That was what Mike Vick called himself at the airport. Wasn't it?

Yeah. That was his code name. When he would, when he would sex up the women, tick tock, you don't stop. He would call himself Ron Mexico, you know? Oh, that's right. name. When he would sex up the women, TikTok, you don't stop, he would call himself Ron Mexico, you know?

Oh, that's right, that's right, that's right, yes. He got caught at the airport with the weed bottle, I forgot about that. Yeah, and then there was like a thing with

dogs, I don't know if you heard about that. I did, yeah, it made white people very mad. Rightfully so. Yeah, of course. This is not a story of color, Luke,

this was a story of, yeah. All right, Luke, you missed the return of Manny Pacquiao, a big fight in your absence. Did you watch that? Do you have any opinions on how all that went? I didn't see the Ugas fight. The only thing I saw was I did see some of your

post-fight analysis about it, and I saw the scores and what everyone else had to say, and I read a lot about it after the fact. The only real takeaway I had about it, for someone who didn't see the fight, was just that Ugas is very talented. he deservedly won as I understand it like a clear scorecard for him that Manny Pacquiao made it competitive in spots

but more or less that was Ugas's fight the only real takeaway I had from that was dude Manny got lucky and I saw I know there was the video where his eyes are so fucking swollen he can't even open either of them his wife's feeding him soup like This is fucked. I mean, this is crazy. Okay. Dude, and I know Spence had the eye surgery because of the retina, but he saved himself from a beating. Spence, I think, was going to do bad things to him. See, I don't know.

I think it's still the stylesman fights thing. Do you have a belief in Manny Pacquiao that I don't think is warranted anymore? I think Pacquiao would have been able to get Spence into a brawl and that that would have given him his best chance to compete. I don't think he would have won, but to compete at fairly even terms. If Spence had decided, I'm going to play you from the outside and just outbox

you, could he have? Yeah, it's Spence, man. Okay? But I think Spence, like against Porter, would have let his hands go because Pacquiao would have been coming at him from certain angles that are not natural and hitting him. Spence dropped Porter. Oh, I know. Spence can punch, but Spence also, after the fact, was like, man, I got too caught up in going for it there.

I think that's what Pacquiao saw when he watched. Okay, so maybe Pacquiao, even if you want to say this, Pacquiao would have performed ably against Spence in a losing effort. This is my point. The main objection I had to the Spence and Pacquiao fight was everyone was making a story

about how great Manny Pacquiao's resume is, how he's taking on contenders is amazing this late in his career. And I think all of that is true, but I don't, I'm not going to call it a setup fight for Spence, but to me, it actually sort of reaffirms what my initial suspicion was, which was everyone wants Spence Crawford. Then they made Spence versus Pacquiao. And you were like, this fight is great for a lot of reasons. And I'm like, right. But it's the fight you didn't ask for. Because we would have gotten that.

And it would have been exactly what we thought. Dude, who was the guy? Singletary? They are who we thought they were. Right? That was actually Dennis Green. Dennis Green, yes, from the Cardinals. Mike Singletary was, I need winners.

Yes, that's what it was. From the 49ers. So the point being is, dude, the fight was what we thought it was going to be. There was no real mystery about it. I give credit to Ugas for coming to late notice and doing what he did, but to me it's like boxing fans being like, oh, can't you look at it like a magic eye

and get some value from it? Not fucking really, no. Wow, okay. People did want to know what you thought about Kelvin Gastelum's loss to Jared Kananir in a very important fight in the middleweight division for UFC. How did you score that one? I scored it three rounds to two.

Cannoneer gave him three, four, and five. Yeah, that's how I scored it as well. Gastelum has to go back to welterweight. He just has to. The guys... So you don't think he... My theory of if he just... If he makes his wrestling a threat at middleweight,

he's going to have to get in better shape for that. But if he can makes his wrestling a threat at middleweight, he's going to have to get in better shape for that. But if he can make his wrestling a threat, it will open up his striking. Some people are like, BC, that's the most casual take I ever heard. It's not a casual take. They're like, you can't do that at middleweight against these guys. I'm like, what if he got in shape and he made it more about cardio

and pushing that pace, and that threat of the wrestling could open up his left hand so much more than I'm just going to follow you around. I think there's a few problems that Gastelum is wrestling with here. One, I think it's totally on point. I completely agree. Second part is,

I do think he has to go back to welterweight. I really, really fundamentally believe that he's just not suited to beat the very high level guys at 185. And maybe he can't beat the very, very best ones at 170, but I like his chances there a lot more provided he is in good5 and maybe he can't beat the very very best ones at 170 but i like his chances there a lot more provided he is in good shape and the cut doesn't drain him the third thing i would say is and i talk about this guy a lot but once you take the pill you

can't go back there's a dude by the name of coach barry robinson he has coached several ufc fighters before dan hooker and some other ones but he has talked about something i brought it up on the show before called the rhythm step and dude it's not just this idea that you do this one particular step that you can pick up on. Kelvin Gastelum resets striking exchanges in such a way. I'm not his coach, and I'm not here to tell him how to live his life. But if somebody like me could pick up on it, there's a problem. Every time he stands on the outside and he wants to close the distance to joust, he does the exact same kinds of things.

He picks up the Oreo cookie. He twists it just a certain way, and every one of his opponents sees it and times it every single time. Chick, chick, chick. Alligates her blood. He can punch. He's athletic. I think he can make reads.

I think he's very talented. I do think also, to Aaron Bronsetter's point, you look at his resume, Kelvin Gastelum's resume. Dude, he has fought nothing but the best over two weight classes. You must give him credit. Yeah, but my point, though, on the show. So the last thing I'll say is his striking when he's executing on offense in close range, I like.

To the extent he has to distance close, he gets timed constantly. To the extreme, I rock a mic like a vandal, lie at the stage and have a jump like a candle. Right? I don't think that's the lyrics. Say it one more time. No, I don't have to. So what I'm saying there is that

at some point you are who you are in terms of your record, and Castellum's entered there, but do you not give the same praise and respect I did in Canadaoneer for figuring out the technical advantage there and winning the fight the way he did? He got better since the loss, bro. That's exactly right.

Canoneer is a testament to one, getting to the right weight class. The guy started out like fucking what? Light heavyweight? Heavyweight? Heavyweight, bro. And now he's down. That's right, because this is his third weight class in the UFC. So now he's down. That's right, because this is his third weight class in the UFC. So now he's down there.

Plus, he moved from Alaska to MMA Lab in Arizona and has made profound changes and developments to his technical progress and acumen. And it has paid clear dividends, even against Robert Whitaker. He had him in trouble in that, or at least, you know, made things difficult for him in the third round. But the first two rounds, he was like a step behind. I think he's trying to figure out how to...

Okay, but Whitaker is very good. Exactly, but I think he went back to the gym and was like, how do I fix what I did wrong? There's no doubt in my mind, and that, to me, is the difference. You've got... Gastelum has all of the athletic tools, and at this point, the competitive experience, I think, to give anybody trouble,

but to get over that hump, there has to be a new dimension to his offense. And I think he's got to clean up some of the things he does that makes him traceable and timeable. Now with this connection in friendship with Henry Cejudo, why doesn't he move to the captains, Jim? Dude, it's like he's training with Cordero. It's not like Cordero doesn't know how to make UFC champions. He does. At some point, though, it stops being the potential effectiveness of that coach.

Some fighters, boxing or MMA, they need the change. They need the constant switch. It's why some people are in one marriage for 30 years and some people

are bouncing around like Uncle Pepe, just laying pipe, just laying that shit down. I mean, Latin America, just watch out. Uncle Pepe's on the move. It's true.

This is the only thing I would say. Is it true that professional relationships come to a point where the two participants, coach and fighter, run out of, dude, you're not my coach. I don't know why you think that. No, no, I'm saying, like, this eventually, we will be so sick of each other's jokes that this show is gonna it's gonna it's gonna fall apart it will burn it'll be spectacular but the point being is to your point yes is it true that there becomes a point after even a successful relationship the coach and the

fighter just can't get anything out of each other anymore yes that's true it would it would require me to be at king's mma for me to diagnose whether or not that is the case. I just like saying Al Barassin. I like pushing him into our show because of his style preferences. And he's also a really smart guy. He's one of those people, like me and Billy Hoyle, who have found a way,

that's Woody Harrelson's character in White Men Can't Jump, to, you know, I mean, it's hard goddamn work making something this brilliant accessible in a way that feels so basic and simple, right? Yes. So, like, you know, Eric's got the glasses.

Oh, he must be a clown. No, he's a genius under there. He is a mad scientist. Yes, he's a genius. I agree with that. Well, genius is a strong word, but incredibly capable. I mean, he was hammered at the Logan Paul for Mayweather fight and just drunk calling you on video chat over and over.

Constantly sending me videos of just drunken language I did not understand. By the way, speaking of El Baracin, we should tell the folks who we saw today and talked to today. A.J. McKee, Bellator featherweight world champion, who Sunday night will be a part of the desk

kicking off the broadcast for Paul Woodley along with Logan Paul and Brian Custer. So that should be an interesting team to set the stage for that fight. Dude, that kid leveled up, man. But in talking to AJ, and I know there's stories out there and he confirmed it to us.

There was an interview he gave with Ariel and MMA Fighting that essentially broke down like, you know, they want to get paid from Bellator. They want to rip up the contract, which in which he has three fights left on now. And let's not, you know, let's get,

let's, let's figure out his true payment now. And what AJ told us was, you know, he hopes that happens and that could open the door for that potential of some crossover boxing, which it's something he's very interested in and talking to him quickly, Luke,

he has no care about the weight experience level of these opponents. Like he wants to do big shit. He wants that smoke. Yeah. So that was, that was fun to hear. And talking to him quickly, Luke, he has no care about the weight experience level of these opponents. Like, he wants to do big shit. He wants that smoke. Yeah. So that was fun to hear. He's a smart kid, man. That dude, obviously, everything he already pulled off is pretty incredible.

He's not done wowing us, not even by a long shot. I don't know exactly which way and which organization and what it's going to look like. Well, you had him break down to us. Yeah, he gave me all the details of how he beat Pitbull, and it was illuminating. It turned out easier than he ever could have expected. Now, he hit him with the perfect shot at the perfect time. We're not here. It says nothing bad about Pitbull, but it was as if he was like, I think I know what I'm going to do, and then the fight was just over.

Two things I took from the conversation was, one was they had scouted Pitbull really well. They knew what he was going to do. And then as he did those things, they made reads and adjustments off of it. Because I was asking him, did you know the head kick was going to be there? And the short answer is basically yes,

that it was either going to be to the body or to the head, but they knew that he was going to move into it and that they were going to be able to set it up with ease. And sure enough, they did. And I mean, that was it. I mean, he's a brilliant kid. He's going to do big things in the sport. He's also here supporting somebody from his camp, the Body Shop,

MMA fighter turned boxer Anthony Taylor, who's 0-1 as a pro boxer, 7-5 for MMA. He's done work in Bellator. He's, of course, a training partner. Yeah, but Tommy Fury, who's fighting him, Tommy Fury was talking about Jake Paul. He's like, you've got to stop fighting MMA fighters. And I'm like, Tommy?

Tommy, you're kind of fighting an MMA fighter on Sunday. So Tommy Fury will be fighting Anthony Taylor. The hook is that he's a sparring partner in Puerto Rico, part of the extended Jake Paul camp, but he comes from the body shop with the McKees there. So that was interesting to see. And they had said, you know, that loud, cocky, brash

figure you saw, that was him from day one when they met him. So it's cool to see the connections in this game, Luke. It is. He was making noise. That dude is trying to make, he DM'd me a little while ago. Anthony Taylor? Yeah, he did.

Did he ask for stick pics? No, no. He wanted to just talk. And I was on vacation, so I couldn't do anything about it. But yeah, he likes to rattle the cage a little bit. He likes to make noise. I don't know if he's going to beat Tommy Fury,

but he's a self-promoter for sure. I have to say, Luke, when this pay-per-view card was announced, and it's not only a weird night. It's a Sunday night. I like the start time, by the way, 8 p.m. Eastern, but it's a five-fight main card. I think when the fights were announced, you were like, oh, okay, I like that guy. Oh, Mander Serrano, okay, cool. Oh, but it's a five-fight main card. I think when the fights were announced, you were like, oh, okay, I kind of like that guy.

You know, oh, Mander Serrano, okay, cool. Oh, we got the Tommy Fury thing. But I think as we saw these fights, the storylines play out at the press conference today, I kind of got excited about each one, at the potential of action. The Dubois fight doesn't have any juice right now. It doesn't have a ton of juice,

but Giuseppe Cusimano from Sicily there, he seems ready to bring it. He does. That was the guy who's promoter. I'm interested in seeing Dubois because I think he has a lot of ability. He's only 23. Yeah. Obviously, the opener with Fury and Taylor is going to be fun.

But, dude, we're not talking about it, and I get it because, you know, I looked at the numbers on our interview with her, and, you know, it just didn't do very well. Guys, I cannot tell you. I'm not exaggerating. I'm not doing a bit. I'm not doing showtimes bidding. You can go on YouTube and just type in her name and you'll see all her fights. You can go take the Pepsi challenge. Don't by all

means BC. I'm telling the audience, do not take my word for it. Dude. Amanda Serrano is the best boxer on that card by a mile. It's not even close both in terms of decoration and what she can do. She is a fucking force. And on top of that, she has an action-oriented style. Her output is insane. And I keep saying this. She is a vicious body attacker. She drops multiple opponents with hard work to the body. I am like, you know, they were doing that bit between her and Jake, like, who's going

to have the most exciting KO? I don't know. I don't know who's going to have a KO. I don't know who's going to win. Well, I'm pretty sure Amanda Serrano is going to win. She doesn't get the credit. We're talking about at worst, as you pointed this out, right? At worst, third best woman boxer on the planet, arguably has a case for number one, seven weight class titles. She can go from 115 up to 140, even 147. And she's an action fighter. I don't know what's to dislike about that. Yeah, and she's still in her physical prime.

I believe she's 32 years old. And she's, I mean, she's coming off maybe the best win of her career against Daniela Bermuda as a champion from 122 who was moving up. We'll see her defending those two titles at featherweight again against Yami Mercado. And it's Puerto Rico versus Mexico.

But I love, so you got to expect action. That's the point there. But I love where the confidence in Amanda that she realizes, Luke, that like she didn't get the backing of like one network or one promoter that was like, I'm going to make you a star and get you paid at the level and get you the exposure that you deserve. She's always been coming up the hard road that you could see the joy in being in this opportunity. And it's cool that Jake Paul, who trained with her to a certain degree and made friends with her in Puerto Rico, was able to put her as the co-main event. I support that. I mean, it's the most real boxing fight in a lot of ways on this card,

but she feels that you can tell that she understands the opportunity here and that she's not going to go out there and fight reckless, but she gets that if I can go out there and make some big time noise, this could be the launch for me into those money fights that I've wanted, but have been unable. She was really close before the pandemic in fighting Katie Taylor for all four lightweight titles. They didn't end up sending enough money

to her. Eddie Hearn changed the price and she pulled out because she felt like she deserved more. If they can make that price right, this is the kind of exposure she needs. Let's say she goes out there as we're waiting for Jake Paul and blows away Mercado, people are going to take notice so it's a great time for women's boxing we didn't talk about this because of the melee afterwards but this is what i want to bring up on the post fight like way or post weigh-in show that we did

she said guys remember i we don't quit talking about the bet with jake i can't bet a lot i'm a female boxer i don't make a lot of money she's fought in mma she's undefeated mma too because she can't get fucking paid. She can't get the attention she deserves. She's a supreme talent. I think you're going to see that on Sunday night. I really do. I hope, your point is, that this is a push to something so she can

get some fucking coin, man. Absolutely. She's had three MMA fights, I believe. Two of them were with Kombache Global, and in one of them, Luke, she's 2-0-1. I don't know if you've seen her draw. She's dominated the two fights. She's won in MMA. The draw I've not seen, actually.

But the draw, she got taken down in the final round and put on her back. And she was in full mount for like four minutes getting lit up. And she had to show like every inch of that boxing championship heart and pedigree to survive that. She survived that. She got the draw.

So was it two 10-9s and a 10-8 the other way? I believe so. Something like that? She was fairly dominant early herself, but the fight turned, and she was lucky to survive that. But it just shows how freaking tough she was. I'm just saying, I don't want to take anything from Clarissa Shields. She's earned everything she's gotten.

She deserves more, if anything. That's why she's in MMA. That's what it is. Exactly. It's not either or. I'm just pointing out, dude, the worm is starting to turn for Clarissa. The worm needs to turn for Amanda Serrano. She is stupid

talented. Yeah, absolutely. So I think maybe I mean we do have a UFC fight night Saturday night. We'll preview that during tomorrow's regular morning combat episode. Tomorrow is Friday 11 a.m. Eastern, your regular morning combat time slot. We'll have a full regular fun show for you from this location.

And we'll get into it. And you do have Giga. God, I'm never going to get that right, am I? Giga Chikadze? Giga Chikadze. Why do I want to say Giga? And then I want to say like Giga. GG, the movie with J-Lo and Ben Affleck?

Oh, man, I got to put a pin in that. Or Gigli was the movie called. Gigli was with J-Lo and Ben Affleck. That's what I'm talking about. Courtney perked right up. She knows. Is that right? It was a bad movie, though, right?

Horrendous. Horrendous. They're back together, though, right? They're back with a bang, if you will. Oh, yeah, they're banging. Yeah, there's no question. I don't even know what we're talking about anymore. I did have a point to make.

Oh, there's a UFC fight that's decent on Saturday. But this card is largely going unopposed this weekend. This card, Paul Woodley in the combat sense, is your top story. Yeah, folks were asking why it's not on Saturday.

It shouldn't be on Saturday. It's a little weird. It should be kind of separate from everything else. And yeah, I think there's potential things that they can gain commercially for going on Sunday night.

But I just think it's become the top story. It's taken over. It's crossover in a big way. Today's melee certainly helped that. I can't lie. I'm really excited to see what the fight looks like. I have that just basic fan common interest of just like, is Paul really that good? Like, you know, Woodley can't be that washed.

Like, this could be a war. It's wildly unpredictable. I don't think, here's what I'm pretty comfortable in saying. It's not going to end the way Paul versus Askren did, where the person who lands the first big shot wins. I don't think that's true. We're going to get a fight.

But beyond that, fuck a fight now. Should be a wild crowd. I hear the, the tickets are flying. Cleveland's ready to represent. There's a couple of local fighters. Charles Conwell is on this undercard.

Unbeaten Montana Love is going to have a big fight against Ivan Baranchik on this pay-per-view main card, both from Cleveland. But Cleveland has shown up and shown out for Jake Paul. So, Luke, do you want to address just the overall temperature of the haters? Like, we try not to give them the light or shine. You block them. I even block them, too, when they really make some really inappropriate comments. But, you know, there has been, even from

some listeners that DM me specifically, they feel like, you know, DM, you know, maybe documentary four, which was an entertaining success was about selling out, but it's a tongue in cheek selling out. Yeah. We put on the ropes. People think you interviewing Jake Paul yesterday, I don't know what they expect. They're going to walk up and slap him in the face but people think because you showed that man some respect after originally saying that you hate that shit that you are really selling out that they must really be paying you well at showtime because your ass is down here in cleveland milking it up for this honky-tonk fight i mean the fight is not championship level it's kind of silly uh i'm here because i'm paid to be here. All that's true.

At the same time, I've said it for weeks at a time and you can believe it if not. If you don't want to, it's okay to. Whatever choice you want to make. You know, this is not going to be good boxing. It's going to be, could be interesting fun, but it's not going to be good boxing. It's going to be a fight. It's going to be a fight. Right. We don't have to shill for that.

But it's true, dude. When Jake Paul had the MMA world tap dancing at everything he was doing and now dana white is constantly dude the pay issue is only a big deal it's not because the lawsuit is sort of moving along in a way that's catching news it's only happening because predominantly yes fighters are complaining but because jake paul is making reporters ask dana white about what Paul said. That's just a fucking reality about it all. And then on top of it, dude, when he had MMA fighters, you know, fucking huffing and puffing at him for weeks on end, I could not believe they were doing that. And I said on this show over and over and over again, wow, man, this kid is actually surprising me. He's kind of funny. Would I want to dress the way he dresses with the ice and everything else and wear my hat like a jackass? No.

That stuff doesn't appeal to me. But, dude, he's got 50% control of this show. He's bringing in Amanda Serrano by choice. Not this show. He don't control shit. Yo, J.P., you don't control shit on this show. The Sunday event, he's bringing in Amanda Serrano as his co-main event. He's forcing fighter pay into the

public consciousness in a way that it hasn't been to this point. Tyron's going to get a record payday. It's silly and not really all that important, but it could be decent, if not good fun. If that doesn't appeal to you and... Why don't you just skip that preamble and just tell him to fuck off? Yeah, S-A-D is what I would say. I don't care.

I don't care. L and the T want to get with me cool for the hell of it, right? For the smell of it. They want the bod, here's the hot rod, right? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Make me want to shoop. Baby, I want to shoop.

Can we get you Adderall, please? Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm. Oh, my goodness. And they're coming this way, MK. Luke, can you tell the people, now that we finally have a working schedule for where we'll be this week, where we'll be appearing,

we're doing a set at Caroline's in the comedy store also the day after. Tell the people where we'll actually be tomorrow, when they can tune in, where they can see us. 11 a.m. right here on youtube.com slash morning combat. Like and subscribe as always. We will do a show. We'll preview the weekend's ufc fights we will get you ready for paul versus woodley and

anything else we might do a what i'm told is a historic list of dead wrongs we'll probably all from my solo runs you ever been like so broke you didn't pay a bill you're like fuck it man i just have to pay a bill when that next big check comes and then the check comes and then you do have to pay your fucking bill before they shut the water off. And you're like, dude, how the fuck did my water bill get to fucking $400? It's because you didn't pay it. Well, we're going to get that $400 water bill tomorrow. Also, we'll be all over CBS Sports HQ tomorrow.

Multiple stops breaking down this fight, setting the stage of what's going on this week. Tonight, we will be recording a room service diaries. A lot of people, oh, these guys must go out and do a shit ton of drugs. No, those are done completely sober. Very sober. So, Luke, will that go out tonight? What's the plan on that?

That won't go out tonight, but it'll probably go out tomorrow. Okay. Hopefully, we can get that out on the streets. Oh, Morning Combat put up a tweet asking, do you want to see Luke Thomas take Brian Campbell to the Dying Fetus concert in Connecticut? No. So far, 90% have voted yes.

90%. So guess where you're going, fuckface. Dude, I do not support this. Oh, where's your art now, pussy? This is not art. I don't support this. Yeah. Okay.

Like, I mean, you want to talk real music, right? Okay. Damien the Donk had a dying fetus on his belly. Yeah, Damien the Donk's got some dark tattoos, but he's a good bloke, that guy from the 209. Have you listened to at all his new podcast? No. Two guys, one pod. No, no chance.

Two donks, one pod. That's like asking me, did you listen from front to back, killing on adrenaline by a dying fetus? No, you've of course not done that. It's a funny watch, those two. Shout out to the other guy. So yeah, that's that, Luke. At this point, if I kept talking, it would basically just be a ramble,

and I don't like to mince or waste words on this show. Yeah, here's a tweet from Casey Lydon to our point. Boxing fight weeks are just a lot more fun than UFC fight weeks. You never know what's going to happen. I think that's why Conor fight weeks in his prime were so batshit crazy and fun for UFC. I mean, seriously. But he didn't say Conor. He said like

run-of-the-mill UFC. Yes. Well, look, we have a dynamic personality in Jake Paul. There's no question. Okay, we can close the show anytime now. I'm losing my voice have a dynamic personality in Jake Paul. There's no question. Okay. We can close the show anytime now. I'm losing my voice. Yeah. That's me in the corner. That's me in the spotlight. Losing my voice, Luke, okay?

And religion. Michael Stipe. Why don't you go to Athens, Georgia, Kenneth? What's the frequency? Yeah, alright. Big week for reunions. Big week for healing. More to come this week. Big fan of all you out there. Thanks for staying with us. I know we let you down in terms of announcements or timing.

We fucked it up. We're not always there when you call. But we're always on time. No, we're not really on time either, but we're back. We back. We back in a bit. You know, like Pepe at 2 a.m. tonight. You up?

You going to come? Que tal? Come on, bro. Okay, we brought it. Shout out to our great team who put up with just mayhem this week. Okay? Thank you. We love you guys.

Some of these guys, I don't even know their names, to be honest. I feel very Luke Thomas-like right now. They're peasants. I don't care about them. All right, for Luke Thomas, my name is Brian Campbell. Friday, 11 a.m. Eastern, back where we belong in the prime time slot. Until then, may all your ex-lovers stay satisfied.