MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Khabib, Tony Ferguson vs. Justin Gaethje, Jon Jones | MORNING KOMBAT | Ep. 37

Episode Date: April 6, 2020

On episode 37 of Morning Kombat, Luke and Brian discuss the latest developments with UFC 249, including a potential Tony Ferguson vs. Justin Gaethje fight. They also discuss the latest Jon Jones update and give us their top 5 recommendations to surviving the present moment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Reveille, reveille, dogs. Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life, this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell. This is our life. This is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell. This is Morning Combat. It is Monday, April 6, 2020, and it is time for Morning Combat. Hi, everyone. My name is Luke Thomas. I come to you right now from your nation's capital, Los Estados Unidos. I am joined by my hetero life mate and WrestleMania watcher.

You know him from CBS Sports. It's the one and only BC Brian Campbell. Hi, Mr. Campbell. Fired up, Luke. I'm dressed for the 90s, as you can tell. I know you got another job. You got a hard out. Well, I got one on right now, so let's do this thing.

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Put Morning Combat in that read for crying out loud. How was your weekend very quickly? It was good. It was good. Week to week, our emotions change during this unprecedented pandemic. out loud how was your weekend very quickly uh it was good it was good look it's it's it's week to week our emotions change during this unprecedented pandemic right a couple days ago i would have told you i've seen better days been the star of many plays luke but i'm back right now feeling good took a few steps back from the alcohol intake and the and the war movie consumption got to get back

on an even playing field right now. Level those emotions out. Because if you watch the news too much, Luke, or follow your Twitter account, it can get pretty dicey during this. But we're in this together, brother. And can I threaten the people one more time? Look, how much does this show cost, okay? For you guys, nothing, okay? You know what I'm saying here? So I like coffee and I like tea.

But to be able to enter a final plea, hit that damn subscribe button. Don't give me the runaround, all right? Thank you. Love the blues. Love the blues, traveler donks. Okay, let's get into it if we can. By the way, last night was the first night I did not drink. Can you believe it?

It's been a while. Hey, how about your haircut? Now, Luke is a member of the $100 haircut club, which does not come with any other, does not get handsy. I don't know where he's shopping, but was that a Mrs. Thomas production right there? It was. So what we did was I FaceTimed my hairstylist, and she walked my wife through the best that she could to get what I would call a high-end barracks cut. So it's not professional grade, but I stretched the imagination. But what you're going to get at home, it doable all right not bad not bad showing a little bit of that pepper

but you know you're not running from it so you know what i'm saying it has overtaken me like weeds on an unmanaged grave all right let's get to it now if we can brian campbell first up want to make sure i'm doing the old tilt-a-wh correctly. First up here, look at that. See, let the graphics come up. Yeah. So UFC president Dana White last night, weirdly responding to a troll tweet, although one that had gone viral, about UFC 249 indicated, Brian Campbell, that today is the day. Now, we don't know when and we don't know many details, but he did say that what he's going to do is announce the UFC 249 fight card today. In addition, there was a report by ESPN that indicated, one, they were looking at a West Coast potential site for these, that when this one goes off, several other ones behind it are going to be in the exact same location. And it could be, we don't know yet,

on Native American territory. Brian, let's go to to you first what do you make of this news well I make of it that the timing's bad for us as we go live every Monday at noon eastern this segment will be dated as soon as Dana speaks but uh you had the feeling Luke that Dana was not going to lose and he was going to push forward no matter what and look we've been up and down this road from the idea of is this right I've written the columns i have everyone's had their their speak and their piece on this i think we're past that now he's going forward with it he's going to make it happen i'm not going to boycott it i'm certainly going to watch it and i got to be a little honest with you luke because i'm always honest with you i don't think this should happen right now

but at the same time i watched wrestlemania over the weekend it wasn't live they pre-taped it because they had to but to feel good again like you got something live something that's real something that matters something that you can't press pause on something that's happening in the moment i felt pretty damn good luke if they want to be reckless and crazy enough to go forward with this i'm going to watch this so i stand with habib in his decision that it just doesn't make sense right now to go forward with this i do not like the potential of tony ferguson maybe ruining the habib fight by taking one in between but they're going to throw hands i'm going to be watching i'm

going to be working what else you're going to do to me lu'm going to be watching. I'm going to be working. What else are you going to do to me, Luke? You can't make me stop. No, nor would I try to. Look, this is the weird part about this whole situation, which is for media, it's not really clear what the right answer is. On the one hand, your job, depending on the job description, could be to cover it no matter what. Some of us have a little bit degree, a little bit greater degree of latitude. I don't really know what the right answer is. I have to kind of figure it all out. But to me, I'm interested less in who's on the card, although it seems like Ferguson versus Gaethje is a foregone conclusion because in that same tweet, I should note, Dana White said, there's no way Team Habib is going to be on us. That's the Twitter handle for Nurmagomedov. So

he's not going to be on there. So you feel like that's your main event. I just got to tell you, I find it weird, right? Because number one, I'm less concerned with who's on it than where is it. And then I'm really curious to see what the safety protocols are for this event, because folks are saying all you need is testing, but you don't. That's hardly sufficient. Do you have tests every single day? If someone tests positive, what's the protocol? By the way, if you have enough tests you have tests every single day? If someone tests positive, what's the protocol? By the way, if you have enough tests to test everyone every single day, which not just the fighters, but the staff and everybody else, why aren't those tests going to more needy people in more medically desperate situations?

So that's kind of weird. Why is everyone traveling? That's not great. I mean, there's a million other questions you could ask about this. The other thing I got my eye on about this, Brian Campbell, and it's sad to say, but it's kind of true. Not kind of true. It's definitely true. In the last 10 weeks, at least 10 million Americans have lost their jobs. Janet Yellen, head of the Fed today, announcing that she thinks that unemployment is somewhere around 13%.

I mean, we're headed towards numbers that you haven't seen since the 1920s, basically. So here's my question back to you about this. Let's say they can pull it off, and they just, from a hard-headed standpoint, they just might. You've already lost Khabib. That was confirmed. Now you're going to go forward with a location no one knows about with a card I guess we'll find out about today, but you've lost the majority of your star power. How can you put on a card and make money when you've lost the majority of your star power. How could you put on a card and make money when you've lost your star power, when you have historic levels of people losing their jobs?

I just don't know that it makes sense. A free show on ESPN? Maybe I could squint and buy it. A pay-per-view? I'm less convinced. You know, we're gonna have to see if they go forward with that idea that it has to be on pay-per-view. Who knows? Maybe they would try to take advantage of the potential audience at hand. But to ask you who's going to be on that card we're certainly going to find out when dana announces it and we all know dana has purposely now kept all the details from leaking out you know kind of turning against the media blaming certain members luke there was a video out there that people subheaded as dana responds to luke i don't even think he was talking to you i think he was mad at some guy from Forbes.

Yeah, he wasn't. Let me clear that up. He was not talking about me. He was talking about Trent Rainsmith over at Forbes. And look, Dana's making that decision. That's fine. But if he gets Justin Gaethje, Tony Ferguson, obviously that's a fantastic main event.

It would be pay-per-view worthy. If you stick with that same co-main that they have with Andrade and Nama Yunus, part two, maybe you add on rose and struke and overeem which was gonna main event the other card and you add on a couple of those fighters in between from those three canceled cards who were in shape who are ready willing and able to do it you actually could make a card so here's what i'm saying luke because i've been on both sides i've been in the middle the answer to everything is normally in the middle. I know Donald Trump just had that meeting with the heads of each pro sport, Dana White

included in that, Vince McMahon in the WWE, the commissioners of most sports. They were so into secrecy. Some of the news had leaked out. I would almost like Trump and Dana to get together and say, look, I know, Dana, you want to go forward with all this stuff moving forward. So let's not do it recklessly. Get your private planes out. Let's fly all the fighters into Vegas.

They're all going to stay in the PI. The fights are going to happen next door at the apex. Let's do this as safe and smart as humanly possible. Everybody's training in the same safe place. Everybody's eating in the same, same place and sleeping. And let's make some fights. If you have to believe luke at this point if dana's going to do it no matter what i almost say let's help him do it let's do it as safe as

possible rather than let's let people coming from all corners of the globe to some random reservation yeah well here's the thing i know for a fact california has canceled all combat sports as a commission through the end of May, which is why UFC San Diego is canceled, postponed, whatever the wording is. Nevada won't even meet to hand out any potential licenses or assign any ringside physicians or timekeepers or judges. So you actually can't do it in Nevada and you can't do it in California unless maybe it's on Native American territory. So when they say West Coast, I don't know what they mean. Would you go to Washington State, which has been the epicenter on the West Coast of the

outbreak, although the state's doing a pretty decent job of containing it? Do you go to Oregon, Portland somewhere? Maybe? I don't really know. Luke, you ever fly over the Rockies? There's a lot of open space out there in Utah and Montana. Right, but here's the key. Here's the key. Here's the key. So far, the UFC, I see a slow trickle of interest from mainstream sports entities paying attention

to this. Not much, not any kind of game-changing amount, but a little amount. But if they start going to a place inside North America where they're self-regulating, which I know they do in certain territories overseas by a virtue of necessity, but if you're doing one in the states where you don't have a commission involved, or by the way, even if you go to Native American territory, Mohegan Sun, that's not the case. I don't know exactly what the response would be from the mainstream, but I wonder if it might be different. On one hand, I kind of think they just

think we're all barbarians who deserve whatever fate comes our way. On the other hand, I wonder if that might invite additional scrutiny. It remains to be seen. Well, here's the deal, Luke. Since when does Nevada and Las Vegas have standards here? I'm not trying to make a joke in light of the coronavirus because I would prefer everyone to be locked down and quarantined and safe. But since when are we looking at that as the last bastion of hope here? I'd almost want them to make something work like I talked about. You don't want to go on an unregulated reservation with a poor commission.

Mohican Sun is a different story. In Connecticut, they're used to putting on these cards. There's a legitimate head behind them. But, I mean, history of going to reservations for fights. Remember Tommy Morrison in the midst of having HIV had that modified rules MMA fight fight in New Mexico. It's like, there's some bad stories on there. If we're going to do it, do it clean, do it right. Okay. And, and I'm not going to, and again, I'm going to double down on it. I kind of want to see fights right now. And if something's, why does it feel so right? If it's so wrong, Luke, am I just, uh, yeah, I'm delirious. Yeah. Listen, they,

they blocked me on Twitter, but I always recommend Fight Pass if you want to see fights. This is my attitude. And I've said it before, Brian, I think you might agree on this. We've got to move along. People ask me what I'm looking for. I'll tell you exactly what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a major commission, so that's New Jersey, California, Nevada, something along those lines, deciding what the protocol should be for this particular condition, figuring out that problem, and then having promoters adhere to it,

rather than promoters, be it UFC or any other one, flying by the seat of their pants and convincing people that they're doing the noble thing by paying fighters when they don't actually have to have the shows to do that. So that's all I'm asking for. Have a state figure out what the safe way to do this is, and then just follow that protocol. That's what they do on literally every other issue,

whether it's blood testing, eye testing, weight management, everything. They ask the state what's safe, and then they follow behind it. Why should this be any different? It shouldn't. And if it means you've got to wait a little bit to figure out what's safe is, well, then you wait a little bit to figure out what's safe is. That's my only complaint. I don't think it's fair.

I'm not against that. We want to talk about Habib's role in this, Luke, because they're kind of bit to figure out what safe is. That's my only complaint. I think it's fair. I'm not against that. We want to talk about Habib's role in this, Luke, because they're kind of throwing him under the bus right now. Make it quick because we've got to move along. What do you make of how everything's gone down for Mr. Nurmagomedov? You know, I certainly understand Tony Ferguson being mad, bringing back up the tiramisu, saying, you know, Conor says it's a game of chicken that Tony won.

You can't say that during these times. All right, let's take Habib off the hook here. says is a game of chicken that Tony won. You can't say that during these times. All right, let's take Khabib off the hook here. Guys, if somebody doesn't want to fight during this crazy epidemic, you don't have to fight and you don't have to get shade for it either, whether you observe Ramadan and can't come back until August or not. So can we get that conversation out of the picture? If Tony wants to risk it all and move forward and keep things going and cash a big check, that's Tony.

You can do it. That's fine as long as Dana can legally pull it off. But can we take Khabib out of that heavy spotlight of shade thrown at him? I mean, he made a decision for his family, for safety. It's nice to see a fighter do that once in a while. Right, and the promoter didn't do it for him, so he had to take matters into his own hands. I cast no blame towards him. And I would say that if being an undefeated Dagestani, who has been a champion in the most difficult weight class, where it is to be a

champion, has never lost in his professional career, never been cut, never even been knocked down. If that guy isn't tough enough for you, because the accusations, as I'm sure you've heard, Brian, have been that he's running. If that guy isn't tough enough for you, because the accusations, as I'm sure you've heard, Brian, have been that he's running. If that guy isn't tough enough for you, nobody is. Nobody is exempt at that point. Now, it brings us, Brian, to our second point, which is, okay, let's say they go forward. No matter what you and I think about it, it goes forward. It takes us to a situation where we have Tony Ferguson fighting Justin Gaethje in all likelihood.

We don't know that yet. We're waiting for Dana's announcement. where we have Tony Ferguson fighting Justin Gaethje in all likelihood. We don't know that yet. We're waiting for Dana's announcement. But that seems to be all indications of what's going to happen. As I mentioned before, we do know that Nurmagomedov is out. Okay, if that is the case, Brian Campbell, let's talk about the value of the main event. Because as I argued previously, you have maybe 13%, 15% unemployment, millions out of work overnight, and more is coming that way. On top of that, as it stands, it's supposed to be a pay-per-view.

And no one could impugn the talent of Tony Ferguson. No one could impugn the talent of Justin Gaethje as elite. Certainly that is the case. But here's the difference. One, what happens if Justin Gaethje not merely wins, but wins viciously? Now you've lost the biggest fight in, granted, five times. I know that they tried to make it. I give the UFC credit for trying to make a fight five times. I certainly do. But you now lose that fight basically in terms of its value forever, number one.

Number two, the bigger issue is this. Pay-per-view is a star-driven business. And Nurmagomedov is a legit global superstar. Legitimate. You lose him, it's not that you get a poor quality fight replacement, although there's questions about preparation. But the problem is you make a major trade-off in terms of what people are now willing to buy. Which is why I think you saw some of the fan sentiment turn after it was revealed that Nurmagomedov was going to have a hard time signing on.

I have to tell you, Brian, if they are this determined to go forward and they just want to have inventory, no one could complain about the quality of the fight in and of itself. But you can also not be a fan and say, I'm going to ignore the risks here. I'm going to ignore what the consequences could be if Justin Gaethje wins. And if you're the promoter, you can't say, I'm going to ignore the risks here. I'm going to ignore what the consequences could be if Justin Gaethje wins. And if you're the promoter, you can't say, I'm going to assume we're going to get the same kind of pay-per-view returns. There's virtually no reason why you would

expect Gaethje versus Ferguson to do, frankly, even much of a fraction of what any fight Nurmagomedov would have done, especially against his longtime rival if you want to consider him that in terms of the success they've had in that lightweight division I'm not saying it's bad Brian because it's not but boy is it risky I think there's a middle ground in play and we don't know their their financial bottom line right now if this has to be a pay-per-view and if this is part of the reason why Dana is pushing so hard, life or death, to make this happen, if it comes down to the endeavors, financial books, we don't know any of that.

But if there is a middle ground, it would be putting this on ESPN+. So you have the potential to get a giant audience. You're not charging them the 50 bucks. You're charging them the $5.99 or whatever it costs these days for that. And you'll still capitalize on the idea of being the only game in town and potentially birthing an entire new fan base. Look, WrestleMania went over two nights. I said it was pre-taped because they had to.

But it was a positive reaction online that I saw, even for the ups and downs creatively of that show, where I think people just wanted something back live. The numbers were great on CBS Sports and our coverage of it. It was our lead story on CBS Sports HQ with me sitting in a chair breaking it down. So I think that helps them from the idea that the hunger for something is starting to overtake our weeks and months of being nervous and condemning the fact that it's going to go on. That would help the interest level.

I hear what you're saying. It's a drop down from what Tony Habib meant. So pay-per-view sales, it may not have the potential under any circumstance to do great things for them But if they add those cards to the undercard, which we just talked about it's a pretty damn good card I know that empty arena may not ends up translating may affect the fighters. I mean short training camps anxiety all this stuff may affect what the fights break down as but you mentioned there we do give UFC and Dana credit for five times trying to make this but the counterpoint to the idea of your risking Tony I'll say this it's only a risk for Tony it ain't a risk for the UFC that Justin

Gaethje defeats Tony Ferguson why because we all know Dana wants Habib versus Conor to a fight. He's called the Ali Frazier of his sport. A fight he has guaranteed will break every pay-per-view record, boxing, MMA, whatever. This kind of takes him even one step closer to that happening. but you did see that sneaky tweet from Ali Abdelaziz last night sort of celebrating put the 100 emoji said I told you so you know he had been campaigning that Justin would fight Conor first to get a chance at Habib it's almost even better for him if he could take Tony out of the picture and then have an argument that Justin should fight Habib next yeah that's an interesting one the by the way you had previously mentioned Overeem versus uh Overeem versus Rosenstruck it's supposed to be Nganou versus my bad yeah no it's okay so if you put that on the card plus I mean Tyron Woodley seemed to still be out there campaigning I agree with you I'm not I'm not ready to declare I mean we'll have to see I'm not ready to declare that

the card will not be good because, as you mentioned, there's a lot of available resources there. But I don't know who's available, even in aggregate, who gets you close to the star power of Nurmagomedov. So while the card could happen, seems like it might at this point,

and while the card could have phenomenal fights, the other thing to consider here is you were talking about WrestleMania and the positive aspect, but that's all anecdotal. what kind of views did it drive i did not see even a fraction of the interest for this wrestlemania as i had in previous times and you would of course understand that as you mentioned it's pre-recorded but usually it's in a stadium and every website is taught doing breakdowns of it They will never cover it. And there's television crews and there's fans. It was nothing even close to that.

So like the event happened, but it kind of happened in name only. And so you have to kind of wonder what the results were in terms of viewership. I'm guessing they weren't that great. And you go back to being the only game in town. Of course, UFC Brasilia is not the same as Gaethje versus Ferguson. Not even close, especially as you noted, if there's a good supporting cast below it. But the UFC Brasilia card was not bad.

Granted, it was a Brazilian card and didn't have a ton of American names on it, but it had literally zero competition and it did not great on ESPN. And so this idea that like nothing else is on, we could take advantage of it. I don't think folks have fully wrapped their heads around the idea that people are concerned about their health people are concerned about their wealth and that distracts them so even if you have all these other factors

in play that's not a reason to not do things in and of itself but given some of the other considerations in play brian campbell i wonder if it's just too much too soon. And I know I'm playing negative Nancy here. I know it. That's your role in life. I'm pissing people off. But I'm just trying to – here's what I don't want, Brian. And I think you would agree and I think the viewers would agree.

I don't want MMA to make a mistake that's going to end up costing it in terms of PR or health or wealth. That's all I'm saying. I'm just trying to avoid that. You're a little bit country. I'm a little bit rock and roll. We're different, Luke. We provide both ends of the spectrum, okay?

The head and the ass all the way through. I did last week go off, and I still say that, breaking up Habib Tony, having a chance to risk it. I don't love it. But do you agree that Justin Tony, as a replacement, kind of a top 15 fight you can make in the sport, and Justin kind of deserves it since he was the outside guy looking in in this crowded lightweight title picture? Like I said, dude, if they make this fight and you're looking to your left and you see Toney,

and you're looking to your fight and you say Justin, could I then look into the camera or if you were next to me, could I look at you and say, oh, this is going to suck? You could never make that argument. Even if they were injured, you probably couldn't make that argument. You could make an argument about maybe it's less than what it could have been had they had normal training camps. Maybe it's less than what it could have been if they're healthy or whatever the particular caveat may be.

But you're talking about two credentialed, excellent fighters who are highly offensive, who have been around the block, who are, literally, one was a former champion. Well, both are former champions if you count World Series of Fighting. There's nothing wrong with that kind of a fight in and of itself. It's just a question about some of the larger circumstances. Now, Brian, we go back to you on this one. Speak.

Hey, Dana wore me down, so I'll give him credit, all right? He didn't extort me, but he wore me down he was relentless like he said and now i suddenly want fights again you win dana all right you win i'm sorry you won all right now speaking of some of the larger circumstances to pay attention to here john jones as we know was arrested a couple of weeks ago i think at this point was charged with a series of things two of them were dropped so the ones that only counted were the misdemeanor charge of negligent use of a firearm, as well as aggravated DWI. He pled guilty.

He got, I think, 96 hours on house arrest, essentially, in the middle of a pandemic, and I think about a year or so of probation. But the point being is, no jail time. Brian Campbell, should the UFC add on to any punishment he's got? And what do you make of the punishment that law enforcement handed out? UFC should 100% add on. And I 100% do not believe they will. Due to recent history, look, we were able to get Conor Habib,

the biggest fight in UFC history a couple years back. But it only came after ufc tore into basically a blind eye to the felony charges that connor was under in that bus attack with the dolly dana going on record so many times and saying connor already paid his punishment and legal fees and in you know times in court and all that and look that was a crock of crap for business in a play it worked out for them whatever they probably won't do it again but this is the time they should take real action what do i mean by that i mean a stripping of the title maybe even upwards of a year suspension and if that sounds extremely harsh uh hey guys wake up

there's a multiple time offender here in john jones this isn't just his second dwi i mean he had the felony hit and run he's had failed drugs I mean he's had everything guys so I'm not saying this again to damn John Jones in fact I'm on the almost on the John Jones side of this uh to the point of getting criticized last week on this show uh because I care about the man and he's in a bad spot and I'm hoping you know he hits that rock bottom like we mentioned and I think the only thing that's going to push him to that rock bottom is get him off of this name that follows him i do a podcast with rashad evans he calls him with love but he calls him teflon john he says nothing sticks to him he's right whether it be in the cage in the many close calls john has had he always finds a way to come out on top

and he's done that with usada he's done that with the law i don't want or need john jones to do jail time right now that was the sentence they gave him it's very light it's a slap on the wrist i don't know how he avoided it but i do need the ufc to stand up and be daddy here and basically say this has happened too many times you have created too many negative headlines for your own good for our own good. And to top that off, we care about you, the man, more than we care about you, the fighter, the cash register, the pay-per-view provider. So we are going to strip you, suspend you. It plays into positively that we're going into Corona season, although obviously Dana's fighting to put fights on.

But John probably would have been off anyway for a while let him get his stuff together force him to get his stuff together i do not need john jones going back into training camp uh too many offenses adding up sad story potentially sad ending let's cut that crap right down the middle and let's be a professional organization and say no enough is enough you lost the belt for the fourth time. It is what it is. Work your way back up. Help me understand what the argument is, though, if I can play devil's advocate. Is the point of stripping him in your mind, and I'm just trying to understand,

is the point of stripping him to say your punishment wasn't severe enough, we're going to add it on or is the punishment to say something to the effect of we have a certain sanctity around this title like give me the express purpose of why you would take the title away what are you trying to accomplish directly by doing that i would hope the ufc would police their own playground, their own fighters separate from the law, right? Like whether the law comes down too hard, too harsh, too lightly, they have their own standards of code. I know that's a funny joke to say. We're in the fight business. It's all about cash and checks, all that stuff. But at this point, because he's a multiple time offender, Luke, and because he had already been stripped in the past for a non-failed drug test personal

offense, you know, with the felony hit and run, that it's multiple offenders now, so everything doubles and triples, and it sends a message that we're not a lawless society. On top of that, it's also probably something that would help the person, the man, be forced to take this offense more seriously than the law ultimately took it giving him 96 hours of uh of house arrest and probation and community service time again i'm not saying put john jones in jail but that's incredibly light i don't think ufc should give him this punishment to make up for what the law didn't do i think they should give him this punishment because it's the right thing to do. What would an NFL player get with three, four big-time arrests?

They'd get caught or they'd get suspended from their job. Luke, what the heck would you get with four or five big arrests and failed this, failed that? You wouldn't be sitting in that chair. Actually, you would be in that chair. You'd be on YouTube on your own show. But you wouldn't be cashing that Showtime money, player. No, I certainly would not be, but here's the difference. If you're a NFL football player, like a Tyreek Hill, you're an employee. If you're John Jones, you're an independent contractor in the UFC. While they have a code of conduct on the books to the extent you begin to impose restrictions on them by enforcing what's on the books, you begin to blur the lines even

further between what it means to be an independent contractor and an employee. If they become employees, well then, player, it's a whole new can of worms that opens up after that in terms of what they're entitled to, including but not limited to, potential forms of unionization. So that is really something I don't think they want to go down. I would agree with you in general that the punishment was really light. Apparently, it turns out from reporting that I've seen from both Matt Grossman, a political scientist, as well as Stephen Morocco, MMA fighting, a lot of this desire to not put people in jail right now is a function of COVID-19. It's

spreading like wildfire through our penal system. That's kind of causing all kinds of problems, both on the correction side and the prisoner side, and they don't want to get involved in that. So that could be a reason why he's in the position that he's in. Okay, fine. I agree that it's light though. The problem for me is the challenge of what the point is of stripping him. If the idea is to strip him to send a message, I don't think he's going to get that message, Brian. I don't think that has any real bearing on how he'll treat future acts. If he wants to get right, it's because of the other things in his life. Now, if you want to do it to say, we as an organization simply don't tolerate this kind of behavior,

you have to earn your way back, you and I both know what's going to happen right after that. They're going to rebook Reyes versus Jones too. So it's not like there's going to be a big walking back. I understand your point centrally about the message to send. I take no issue with that. I also agree the punishment was light. But if you're trying to do it as a corrective feature to his behavior,

it seems like you're wasting your time. And I don't buy that that's a reason to do it. And given that you have the independent contractor versus employee situation kind of hanging over their head like the sword of Damocles, you end up in a situation where they just kind of say, law enforcement does what they do, and we just take a hands-off approach from there. Not good. Not good, Luke. I'm not accepting that. All right. Very good. Let's go to something else that's been just sort of weirdly out there a little bit. Conspiracy theorists.

They are everywhere inside, not merely MMA, but boxing. Brian Campbell. I saw over the weekend Danny Garcia, Amir Khan, and other ones were wondering if 5G wireless, among other considerations like vaccines, was causing the growth and spread of the coronavirus, which is somewhere in the order of, to call that scientifically illiterate would be charitable. Brian, I have toyed with this question a lot, so I'll go to you first on this one again, good sir. Why are there so many conspiracy theorists inside combat sports just for clarification you also had over the weekend nikita krillov saying uh you can get covet 19 from the television

so well i mean look why is this happening you've had every single fighter that had a microphone in front of them basically saying that this is you know the flu it's nothing worse um so look anyone that uh jumped out and specifically focused on the conspiracy that this virus was not a real thing and that it you know plays into all those other elements i'm not going to sit here and defend anyone who said that there's a lot of memes going around of people who've posted facebook messages and died a couple weeks later after basically saying the virus wasn't real but But in general, why do we see so many fighters play into this? Because fighters are outlaws. Fighters are free spirits in the mind.

Fighters are not conformists. And there's an extreme in both directions, right? There's an extreme to do what you're told and feel the safety in that and let others handle it. And then there's the other extreme of do what you're told and feel the safety in that and let others handle it and then there's the other extreme of i need to find out the truth no matter what and why i think both in the end are wrong that's why like politically i'm i'm i'm not just in the middle i'm i'm almost neither right like it's it's because i i do believe in certain conspiracies and i believe in the right lu Luke to be able to explore

those conspiracies. Now, look, you can go too far. Alex Jones is a great example. I'm not saying go tweet out in front of all your followers that 9-11 was an inside job and not expect some blowback. I'm just saying I support the people who don't always take everything for granted and at face value and have the opportunity and idea to sort of search for it. There's levels to that. You can go too far. You can expose yourself as crazy. Why does it happen more in fighters? They're crazy more often than not, Luke.

I say that with a little bit of love but also reality. So that's where it's at, Luke. Do I believe 5G is involved? No, but I went down the rabbit hole. I looked it up. I want to know too. I think we've seen too many things in our lifetime and before us, Luke, that are documented as having been cover-ups or, you know,

who shot JFK or false flags and stuff like that, where I think it's natural to distrust, uh, things from media where I'm employed to government where I'm a citizen and I vote like I, I have no problem with that to us. You know, if it's a, if it's healthy, healthily handled and structured, Luke, I know you're completely in one direction. You and I've had some conspiratorial arguments i've had some conspiracy my opinion before you've heard it over a cold one luke okay i'll why do you why do you characterize my opinion as being the opposite of yours with literally not without me even saying it first of all i know you right i'm the other half of your combat brain that's why this show works also uh we've had drinks and food and and debated some

of these things luke okay yes yes i don't think that there's anything wrong with skepticism of frankly any institution in fact skepticism is the kind of thing that are going to keep those institutions in check so i will never get in the way of someone doing that responsibly. The problem is most of these theories are just idiotic, right? I mean, what would it even mean that 5G was involved here? I've seen people say things like they're given the virus to take out a certain population so they can install 5G for some kind of population control. But you need not even go to these sort of cockamamie theories that don't even, they're not even coherent. You sort of cockamamie theories that don't even, they're not even coherent. You can actually look at the real fact of the matter, which is what China is doing, where they're importing and developing sort of facial recognition and other forms of tracking technology to keep tabs on people. It has the effect of, in this particular

case, we'll see how strong it is in terms of stamping out and containing the current outbreak that they have with this coronavirus. But it's actually a real threat. It's a legitimate, real threat that civil libertarians are talking about, that the cryptologists have warned us about, that software developers who understand this kind of thing, like people with credentials that you can reasonably trust in the aggregate are all warning you. That's a real infringement upon people's life and liberty. That's the thing to pay attention to. Coming up with the fever swamps

of what someone is saying on Reddit about 5G, it's literally stupid. And we should just say it outright. It's a stupid thing to say. You should not afford it any seriousness. I understand your spirit is a little bit different, which is fine, but not all conspiracy theories need to be weighted the same.

The second part I'd say is it's not just an attitude of rejection or rebellion. It's an attitude you'll notice from these fighters in all cases of they're out to get me, right? The whole 5G thing is about population control. They're out to get rid of a certain portion of the population. Bryce Mitchell, the government created this to cause chaos, was sort of another version of this.

It's coming through the TV to get you. It's not merely that we have an alternate explanation for this widespread outbreak. The alternate explanation is somebody's coming to get you. I think it's often why you see in these fighter circles, there's a lot of people who are, I wouldn't call, well, actually, wouldn't you call Ronda Rousey something of a doomsday prepper light, right? There's a lot of people who are super into self-defense and that kind of thing, which I don't begrudge them. I think that's probably a fine and healthy way to live by and large.

I'm simply saying it's a worldview. It's a worldview that it's not merely I have an alternate explanation. My explanation is that everyone out there you see is coming to get you coming to get your family and coming to get me and it's a little bit on the paranoid side but brian maybe that's why they're fighters they like to take matters into their own hands and fight back against the powers that be well that's why i sort of say that you have to be responsible and if you have a large platform and you're putting things out as facts then you're going to influence a lot of people negatively if you're way off and

you're going to create certain elements of fear whether your intentions are positive or negative i think whether you have a good message to share or a reckless one you've got to control how you present it and you've got to uh you know have facts or at the very least be like look this could be true do Do your own research. Look, I don't think it's different even to our own individual, uh, spirituality and who we serve and believe. It's like, I tell my kids, you know, this is the way I choose to live my life, but you got to find it out for yourself. You got to go live. You got to go screw up. You got to go get to a point where you need the man I call upon in the bullpen to actually

understand what that's all about. So taste and see in life, Luke. All right? Just don't hurt anybody. Don't go knocking on the doors in Sandy Hook. Back off a little bit. But also at the same time, Luke, don't be damning these people who may not believe everything the local news is telling them. All right?

Hey, local news. Join me at the Tin Hat Club on Classic Combat, Fridays at 10 p.m. Eastern. All right? Listen, listen. I'm not here to say local news is good or bad. It depends on your local news. I would just say two books I would recommend,

Carl Sagan's Demon Haunted World, to understand how perverse ideas can lead society astray without any evidentiary basis, and two, The Death of Expertise by Tom Nichols. Experts like anybody else are going to get it wrong, but in general, they're not. It is worth listening to them, and fighters want you to listen to them all the time when they have ideas about their performance and what they know, and you don't know shit about boxing, and if you've never fought, you can't say anything.

And yet, they want to say that people who have been involved as virologists and immunologists and epidemiologists and public health professionals who've been doing modeling and studying these situations for decades all of a sudden your 5g theory that you found on clown penis dot fart is somehow a better way to understand the world than what they're trying to tell you my hunch is probably not brian probably not that's all i'm saying all right look that's fine that's fine that's fine all right all right we got happy news now Brian we got happy news are you saying I just exposed myself as crazy Luke if you're saying it then say it to my face all right you're you're fun crazy

you're like you're like yeah nothing wrong with it crazy you know I don't think you're gonna go out there and start hoarding weapons because Alex Jones says his toothpaste cures coronavirus and something like that. You know what I mean? You're just, you know, you like to entertain all possibilities, and I can appreciate that. All right, let's get to this though, Brian. This was your idea, and I thought it was a great one. Everyone is kind of struggling right now to come up with ways to keep themselves busy,

things that they can rely upon in these strange and uncertain times to just get them through the day why not give people some quarantine recommendations so you and i have come up with our own top five list this could be survival kits all right survival kits. And this could be anything. Booze, movies, food, books, whatever. So, Brian, go first. Give us the Brian Campbell top five quarantine survival kit. There we go. I love it.

I love it. This is what's helped me to stay sane and get moving. Number five, quality bonding time with both the family and the Fast and Furious movie saga. Who would have thought it, Luke? I tried to avoid these movies like the plague, like a pair of jorts, or like buying a sports car with a don't you in the back. I don't mess with that crap. But here's the deal.

I got 12-year-old kids. My wife doesn't like, you know, fighting or anything too crazy, but she loves a little bit of this action So we we uh, we dvr'd them all we've been starting at the beginning and you know what look this is harmless family fun I love the crap out of it. Tokyo drift may have changed my life Shout out to han shout out to web scream and my dms telling me there's some han prequels out there Luke sitting down with the family every couple of nights, loading in another one.

I haven't even made it to the Rock and Cena portion of this franchise. I've been enjoying it from an outlet I never would have guessed. I don't usually mess with those type of flicks, but they're not that different from the crap I like, so I'm in. I'm in, Luke.

Very quickly, because we've got to move through these. Is it so bad it's good, or is it it's actually good? It's harmlessly good. There are chase scenes and racing scenes that do kind of get the blood boiling in a good way. There's cheesy action. There's one-liners. There's muscle dudes and hot chicks. It's kind of, yeah, it's kind of like, there's not a lot of soul to it.

You're not going to learn a lot about life. But, you know, I mean, it's kind of like watching sports you're not gonna learn a lot about life but you know it's i mean it's kind of like watching uh sports you don't really care about you know like but you would like i put on the nhl but oh it's pretty good you know i'm not gonna keep watching it but uh i can appreciate it you know it's gonna it'll get you through the hard times luke okay you me tokyo drift what do you think it'll never happen dk look jay get out of my earhole don't be afraid that luke has another job. All right, number four.

I've been drinking a lot of beer during this, and certainly I can always recommend Treehouse Brewing in Massachusetts for top shelf, but you need an all-nighter. You need a ride and die. Shout out to the folks over there in Oxford, Connecticut at Blackhawk Brewery for giving me this Ginja Ninja. IPA, Luke, made with ginger.

I know what you're saying. I don't need that in my life. I said the same thing. But not only is this the best can going in brewing in terms of I need to buy that by the picture and the colors, it's just perfect. Have you ever thought about an IPA with ginger in it? I don't have ginger anywhere else in my life, but there's a very soothing element to it, Luke.

It's helping me get through. Hold on a second. two answers to that one uh i would try it because i think when you cut ipas with a little bit of citrus notes it makes it sound tastes a little better and like sort of fruity stuff which i know ginger is not exactly it's a root vegetable but still you don't eat sushi they serve ginger with sushi i don't eat sushi and you can't make me i'll drop a california roll but i'm not going too deep down there all right all right unless you want to get i gotta tell you unless you want to live stream fast and the furious with me i'll put sushi all over my body luke like uh you can do that like uh what's his face's party when he blew all his money from beating anthony joshua

yes yes it's out to that would you drink this would you try it luke how about that can brother 100 two thumbs up two thumbs up i would absolutely try it, Luke? How about that can, brother? 100%. Two thumbs up. Two thumbs up. I would absolutely try it. All right, number three on the Campbell Survival Quarantine Kit. It's the 2014 album by a band called The War on Drugs called Lost in a Dream. And this is packaged with what has really been when times get the hardest for BC, I get in that car, I don't open the doors, and I just drive.

Rural back roads, Litchfield County, let the mind run. And I put this album on Luke. It would it fall under indie slash dad rock maybe, but it's a lot more deep than that. Uh, you want to talk about an album that really just, uh, gets to the heart of what's going on inside your soul with the way that the melodies roam and how deep some of these songs go and jam. And while it is lyric heavy, there's times that the music is speaking for itself. It basically paints a picture of what we're going through right now, Luke. It's melancholy, but without the infinite sadness. It's an understanding that yes, this sucks. We're all going through this together, but you know what? There's a silver lining in there. We can get through this because

we've been here before. Maybe not Corona, right? But I've been through that tough breakup. Remember that time my family member was in the hospital? Oh, remember that time I lost my job? I've been here before and I made it back. So when times get the toughest, BC gets out in that car, loads this thing up in the CD player, and you know what, Luke? I can go down that road, and it's just speaking to me. I mean, you know, I don't know if you want, again, if you want to join my Tin Hat Society,

and I'm creeping you out here, but it just grooves exactly the notes that my heart needs to hear. Does that make any sense to you, Luke? Because we can get through this, brother. Yeah. Sounds like, yeah, it's like Avett Brothers or something, right? No, but a little more acidy, psychedelic slash classic.

Yeah, I mean, look, there's a lot of genres being pumped in there together. But give it a ride, Luke. You may end up liking yourself better. I will give it the old BC run. Thank you for the recommendation. All right, number two, you got to eat a lot. You got to put on the shelving, as my boss, Karen Portley, likes to say. And you know what the crack I'm going for right now?

Keebler Grasshopper Mitten Fudge. And there's a reason here, Luke, and I can go through sleeves of these like it's going out of style. It's the only professional cookie that mimics the taste of the greatest cookie of all time, Girl Scout Cookies Thin Mints. The ultimate crack cocaine in the snack village, if you know what I'm saying.

And these elves over at Keebler have mimicked that taste, Luke. Don't even tell me you're a Samoas guy because it's not the way to get down, all right? It's flashy, yeah, one or two are fine. But if you're going to get down with the Girl Scouts, Luke. Don't even tell me you're a Samoas guy because it's not the way to get down, all right? It's flashy, yeah, one or two are fine. But if you're going to get down with the Girl Scouts, Luke, first of all, Coach Sandusky, get out of there. Second of all, you're going to be going deep on the mint sleeves.

I'm going to eat four, five, six at a time. This has been able to recreate that taste. Fairly priced well, too, as well. Is this in the Thomas Pantry, or you got some Colombian cookie made out of caffeine? Well, we certainly have the second one, but I have never had Grasshopper, but I do love a good Girl Scout cookie

with the mint and then the chocolate and the whole bit put together. A couple of things. The Girl Scouts would be just fine around Jerry Sandusky. It's the Boy Scouts that have to be worried. Second, here's my only gripe with this kind of cookie,

and it's a minor one. You can have two, three two three four maybe five if you're a real fat bastard and i wouldn't judge me or you for it if we decide to go down that route but it's not like you can have a whole like at some point the mint becomes too overwhelming for no no i can i can hear jimmy i can do that okay you can have a whole sleeve I gotta have a package and a half you know what I've always said this is a comparison the best fast food in the world is Taco Bell why because it doesn't make you 100% want to kill yourself after eating it Luke okay yeah you'll be in the bathroom for the next 12 hours but like if I eat McDonald's I gotta stretch out a coat hanger and go back down and try to retrieve it, right? I just want to jump off a bridge.

Taco Bell, I can go all night. This is in that category, Luke. Taco Bell is the greatest fast food the world ever made. If you eat McDonald's, you feel like you need to go into hibernation for the next 40 days and 40 nights. I couldn't share that opinion more strongly. Finally, you and I have come to an agreement where our level of enthusiasm is equal. I'll tell you what. I'm going to an agreement where our level of enthusiasm is equal. I'll tell you what, I'm going to give these a run. Still, I'm a little bit skeptical about my ability to do this as an

endurance eating contest. I have no doubt, however, Brian, they're delicious. All right, we all have our ups and downs and pitfalls. Number one on the Campbell quarantine survival list. I teased it last week, then I tasted, then I saw it. Wow, season three of Ozark on Netflix. Good Lord, Luke. I know every time we we see anything we have to call it the greatest thing we've ever seen right Season 3 might be one of the greatest seasons of TV I've ever seen going back to like seasons 2 & 3 of the wire Oh, I know what you're saying season 4 in the school. It's the best thing ever take that back Okay, it's a little bit overrated season 2 with it with the with the with the longshoremen

That's the way to live your life. Here's what season three got right, Luke. I know you're not watching this. I know there's a lot of people out there that are saying, don't listen to Campbell. He hasn't even seen Breaking Bad yet, right? And I also understand that Adderall's the poor man's Coke, but this might be my Adderall. So here's the deal. Season two, they didn't have it creatively. They filled the gaps with swerves, kills, big moments to just try to keep the chains moving. This not only feels like season one again, but they stretched some ish out and they will give you the feels. Yes, it has the insane ending that everybody warned you it would. But you want to talk about great acting from Brother Ben, from Julia, from the chick with the blonde curly

hair, Julia Garner, who's one of the rising actresses, Laura Linney's incredible, Jason, not Justin, like I said last week, Jason Bateman, incredible. It's grimy. It's deep, man. I caught the feels a lot. I got freaked out. Thank you, Jason,

in my ear. You want to talk about tense moments? This basically is 10 episodes that feel like one movie, and there are some tense ass moments, and they do it the right way, right? They take a couple notes, and they just stretch them, right? You know what I'm saying? And Luke, I'm rambling here, but it's fantastic. Will you? Will you?

I have heard nothing but good things about Ozarkark i will give it a try brian cable that you're i i will do it because you have recommended it so thoroughly but i must be honest with you you are not the only person to tell me wonderful things about this show i have no choice but to watch it's basically a a a good family that got caught up into bad luke and they're trying to get back and find that good again that's a mirror for bad Luke and they're trying to get back and find that good again. That's a mirror for what you and I are going through right now in this life. It really is not, but that's okay. Okay. Let me give you my top five, a little bit different than BC's, but the two together hopefully will help you. So the Luke Thomas quarantine survival kit,

I'm focused on slightly different things. Number one, for some fun, I like this app, Fandango Now. Now, you can put it on your television if you have a smart TV. There's other places you can get it on your phone or mobile device. And let me tell you why I recommend Fandango Now, because you still got to pay the prices that these theaters, or not theaters, I should say, these movie distributors are going to charge for you. But the reason why I like this app is, one, they get everything pretty quickly. Sometimes Voodoo gets stuff a little bit ahead, but in general, right now,

all the stuff coming out of the theaters that was going to be there or was there recently, they're pumping back home. Brian, I saw the old Ben Affleck drinks himself sad basketball movie, long way back, whatever the hell it's called. It's not bad. Who's your 2.0? How was it? Yeah, it's okay. It's not bad. Hoosiers 2.0. How was it?

Yeah, it's okay. It's worth a watch. You know, Ben Affleck drinks a lot and that clinches the basketball team. That's the plot. But it's okay because I got to watch it. But here's why Fandango is great.

In addition to just getting everything, and a lot of other outlets do, it's the way in which it's set up. It gives you the Rotten Tomatoes ratings for both critics and for audiences on every single film. It allows you to watch the trailer.

You can hold it for longer. It gives you the plot synopsis right there. It's just easy to navigate, and it allows you, before you watch a movie, to give you an informed choice. They also have deals where if you buy, let's say, Rise of Shitwalker, I mean Skywalker, but you can do that and now bundle and get all three of the most recent Star Wars movies as an example. It's just a great way if you want to watch movies, particularly ones that are more recent, to come to your house right there. Easy to navigate.

I really, really, really enjoy using the Fandango Now app, and I think you will as well, Brian Campbell. Have you used it before? I have not used it. That's how I buy my movie tickets on the road. You know, it's my thing right now. It's my thing on the road. Remember we used to tickets on the road. You know, it's my thing right now. It's my thing on the road. Remember we used to go on the road and cover fights?

That was my thing. So shout out to the Fandango folks. But the idea of watching a movie that's either still in the theaters or just came out right away, I'm in. I'm in on that, okay? Yeah, but the key, trust me, the key is you can go to other apps. Like you can go to YouTube.com slash movies, and you can just download them or watch them there. But it doesn't give you all the other information so easily set up for you right there fandango now is just a smooth well-run app that part i like a lot now uh second or i should say number four on my list

we talked about this i think last week brian but i've been playing as much as I could this whole time. I'm not a gamer, but Mortal Kombat 11, Brian, it is such a good game. Dude, I cannot tell. You know what's so genius about this game is I had played all the other iterations and it had been a while and then I picked up Mortal Kombat 11. This is what this game gets right.

It feels modern. There are so many different ways to play. There's classic combat. There's Towers of Time. You can play online. You can customize characters. There's training modes for fatalities and everything. You can just do so many different things. You collect different pieces of usable gear along the way. It's amazing. But it also has the feel of when you were in the arcade playing Mortal Kombat or Mortal Kombat 2. They have threaded this needle where it's entirely modern and entirely classic at the same time.

The gameplay, you can customize it just how you want it to based on skill level or interest or the kind of way in which you want to pursue the towers. And every time I play this this i enjoy it just a little bit more than the last one brian campbell i have not had a game bring me this much joy in a long time wow cannot recommend this more highly wow so how do i get this so that we can play each other luke we can simulate the the natural uh uh you know fight building between us and um because you and i we don't we almost drunkenly talked ourselves into a sparring match during the last classic combat episode but uh can i what do i where do i have to play this on my computer on

my uh i got a ps3 can i make this work does the male and female end connect because the people our listeners have said that it's no wonder your boy BC is a Johnny Cage guy because in his finishing move, a shot to the pills, Luke? I don't play with Johnny Cage. I just tear him up. I've been kicking ass as Raiden, and Raiden has a great fatality where he separates you and then puts you back together and then separates you again. It's amazing.

But the point being is I had to get an account on something called Steam.com. I had to download it there and then through there. I don't know if you can go console to PC. I'll look that up, but here's what I'll say. Whether you got a friend or whether you don't, obviously it's always better with friends. Mortal Kombat 11 cannot recommend it more highly. What a game they have outdone themselves with this one. Number three on the list, let me give a bit of a shout out. As somebody who's a bit of a book reader, Brian Campbell, and has been reading books voraciously during this downtime, if you want to call it that, I've had to often, like most Americans, buy my books now that I'm stuck here on amazon.com.

But that's not good for your local bookstore. If you're somebody who wants to make sure you take care of your local community while you try to find something to read, I've got good news for you. Go to bookshop.org. What is bookshop.org? This is a company that ends up working with local bookstores who, if they decide to then ship themselves, they're only going to take about 40% of the profit margin in order to get the website up

and to have all the shipping done. They don't take a huge cut and most are pretty bad at it. For 2,000 independent bookstores out there, I think less than 500 even have that capability. Bookshop.org comes in, takes 30% of revenue. So the store gets 30, they only take 10 of it. They don't take as much, but they handle all the other pieces, all the packaging, all the shipping, everything, everything they have online for you to find it. So it's a great resource to help local bookstores thrive in the current predicament without you having to rely. And look, we all shop Amazon. I shop Amazon. I'm sure you do. We're all hypocrites. We're all going to die of hypocrisy. I'm just pointing out, if you're somebody like me,

who's thinking about what the local businesses are going to look like when this is all over, what part can I play in my town to keep some of them alive? Bookshop.org is a great way, and I've been ordering from them, to keep that up for your local bookstore. And if they're not a part of that, they can sign up with the service right away. There's nothing stopping them. It is an ingenious thing and by the way it was in motion brian campbell before just months before this outbreak what a perfect time and coincidence to get a a system like this going between that and your local liquor store what a time to be alive during this luke i am drinking so much it's out of control brian i i had to pull it back dude that's

why i'm going to the to the uh the everyday the the ninja ninja it just chills me out here i you know got things got a little out of hand here i'll be honest about it luke all right all right i know you're not much of a reader so you'll hate this claim as well this is my last like less fun recommendation look we all can just drown in the sadness and bad news of reading around the coronavirus. Clearly, there's a limit to how much you should have for your own mental health, I recognize. But if you really want to find where's the best place to get news and to understand the impact of this current situation that we're living in, partly it's probably going to be your local news. A second place is going to be a guy

who has cultivated this on a sub stack. His name is Evgeny Mazurov. I almost mispronounced his last name. He's been a longtime tech critic. He has put together something called The Politics of COVID-19. You can go to covid19syllabus.substack.com. I'll tweet that link out if you can't remember it. It is every single day in multiple languages, whether it's about tech,

democracy, capitalism, society, anything. They cultivate all the very best reading from the most authoritative and interesting sources. I don't present that to you to be relaxing, necessarily. I don't present that to you to be relaxing necessarily. I don't present that to you to be a thing where you can kick your feet up and have a ninja ninja and just decide to fart the day away. No, that's okay though. But if you want to spend a little bit of time

getting really high quality reading in, bang for your buck in terms of the amount of time you have, it's all free. It's all right there. He curates it into one feed and it puts out a whole newsletter every single day. And every time I have gone through it, I have been overwhelmed by how good the reading quality is. Really important stuff, really smart, really interesting, all for free by a guy who knows what he is talking about. So politics of

COVID-19 on Substack. Be on the lookout. And last, Brian, but not least, here's my fun recommendation. Are you guys out there watching La Casa de Papel, as they would say in Spain, or as it's called here, Money Heist? Money Heist, Brian Campbell. What the hell is this?

So, this is a show on Netflix. Here's what I'm going to say about this show. The real name is La Casa de Papel, the House of Paper, essentially. They call it Money Heist here, so search for Money Heist if you're an English speaker. But it's a Spanish show. When I say Spanish, I mean from Spain,

not people who just happen to speak it. It's a show about a group of people who are all given essentially new identities and decide to go on one of the most ambitious bank robbing projects you could ever imagine. And a lot of it goes right and a lot of it goes wrong. Here's the best part about this show. It's not as good as a Breaking Bad. It's probably not even as good, Brian, as an Ozark.

But here's the deal. It's pretty entertaining. It's fairly original, and it's easy to digest. They just released the fourth season. You can get through this no problem, very quickly. It's the kind of show, to be honest with you, you can watch while also being on your phone and miss five minutes and still kind of figure out what's happening. It's easy TV, the way I'm pointing it out, but it's still kind of fun. It's totally unique and I gotta be honest, when I watch it,

I have a good time. Brian, if I'm gonna watch Ozark, will you give La Casa de Papel slash Money Heist a try? Yeah, well, they got me with the V for Vendetta masks, although it's modified. I'm in for that. Is it in English? That's Salvador Dali. Is there subtitles here, Luke? What are you doing to me?

Yes, of course. There are subtitles. All right, all right. Well, Jay says you can watch it in English, which is about the most racist thing he could possibly say. Can you imagine watching Martin Luther King with somebody dubbed over him speaking Portuguese? Yeah, Jay. No, thank you.

What do you think? Is it dubbed in Hebrew too, Jay? I'll watch that for you, all right? Was that racist enough? I'll give it a try. I'll give it a spin, Luke, okay? Okay, the rest of your stuff's very nerdy, but I can get into this, okay? All right, very good. Very good. So there are Brian's- I need less COVID reading in my life, not more, okay, Luke? Well, here's the thing. It's not about more or less. It's about the right ones, Brian Campbell. I get my COVID updates from at Danny Garcia on Twitter, so back off, okay? You know what? It's about the right ones, Brian Campbell. I get my COVID updates from Matt Danny Garcia on Twitter, so back off, okay? You know what?

It's not a bad place, I suppose. 5G hashtag. Okay. With that in mind, Brian Campbell, it is time now for DMs with dogs. Do they have the motion up there? From dogs. Whatever. DMs from with whatever.

All right, Brian Campbell, go first, please. Yes. This is from The mehan can if tony versus khabib had been the last fight to happen before they started postponing events would dana have had a different tune to putting on events it's a good question it's a fair question i would still say no because uh that you know we've we've identified dana's personality he's a fighter tell him not to do something he's going to figure out a way to do it i do however believe that there was an extra level of push given habib ramadan and the idea that they wanted to do conor habib too later this year if

nurmagomedov had won on april 18th that that probably fueled some of the boldness in what dana was doing but no, I think ultimately you're not going to just, especially coming off a year that he said was the UFC's greatest financially, they opened this year with a bang. I don't think you would have stopped him from trying to figure something out. Yeah, there's no way it would have stopped him. I mean, understand like, why is he doing this? In part, we don't really know. There is some speculation that it could be top-down pressure from endeavor because ufc as part of the overall portfolio has been really successful for them and so that's a

way for them to generate money amidst endeavors other woes maybe that's one of it but like every time dana speaks about putting on a show he does so in a way that it's like totally scientifically illiterate like there's you know, talking about it in the same way that you would about cancer or, you know, what's the necessity about all of this in terms of the measures in society and getting right back to work, or you just can't find any other expert in this field to ever say that that's a position you could adopt as a way to quickly solve the problem. So part of it also must just be that he just views this pandemic as something that will pass,

not a particularly historic moment in time that will realter the way the American and, frankly, the world economy works. And so maybe he'd have been a little bit less, you know, hardcore about it, Brian, but I don't really buy that. I think he would have done it no matter what. All right, from FroProblems11. you know, hardcore about it, Brian, but I don't really buy that. I think he would have done it no matter what. Uh, all right.

From fro problems, 11, which MMA fighter would you do a 30 for 30 on? And why Brian Campbell? Interesting question. So what have we seen given that treatment? What do we, well,

we saw Chuck and Tito. We really haven't seen a deep, deep dive. You would need a story. That's not just, Oh, this guy was a great fighter. Let's relive it. You would need a story that's not just, oh, this guy was a great fighter, let's relive it. You would have to have some kind of, you know what, would Fedor be interesting enough?

Fedor is such an untapped, like he's never been overexposed because you tried your best to ask him his favorite books to read and movies. The guy doesn't give you anything. So is he too much uh vanilla to even find a good story about in there you are still so bitter about that day i interviewed him yeah you are just letting people know i had the interview after luke that day in new york city

i had wanted to interview fedor on camera with a translator for so long why because i was gonna pop him luke not with a cap not not in any other way i mean i was gonna get him to laugh luke i was gonna bring it i was gonna open him up spread that apart and show the world what's under that sweater and then luke thomas comes in here with uh russian author's time talking about uh borafil and suddenly we find out from bellator pr hey fedor's done for the week in terms of uh interviews thanks luke thanks a lot yeah well you know what you missed nothing because he just didn't want to talk that day uh 30 for 30 so you're right about the fedor thing in the sense that there'd have to

be somebody where there's a bit of an ongoing mystery or people had forgotten um you could maybe argue for one for frank Shamrock and what he meant because he's been so ignored by modern UFC and what he meant. I don't think that would appeal to the mainstream, though. You know what I'm saying? That's what these documents are kind of about. You're right about that. You're talking about more known fighters.

I bet you could do one in Brock's whole saga. Yes. With diverticulitis and everything. Yes, great point. There's probably one you could do there and the crossover literally coming off the street and winning the championship more or less so yeah there's a that would work um you know certainly rousey's got a story that america jumps over so if there's some more chapters in her professional life in public life i'm sure there's an interesting

tale there oh who are we missing luke Because there's people watching right now They're like how come he didn't say Igor Troianovsky that guy that uh tapped out people in In Brazil before they had rules I mean there's is there some old-school fighter who also had an Ian Hynish type life story that we're missing Ian Hynish, I don't know. You could do Jose Landy Johns, Pele. That'd be an interesting one you could do. You could do... I mean, everyone's kind of overdone the Mark Kerr one. Kimbo?

How about Kimbo? Kimbo's another one out there guarding people in porn movies. And then out there just knuckling other donks into the dirt on YouTube. Because he was really the first YouTube star. Weks into the dirt on youtube because he was really the first sort of youtube star yeah we now have youtube stars everywhere kimbo was really the first one you know and last night after wwe's odd last man standing match between randy orton and uh edge which was 38 minutes and went on way too long i watched the original last man standing match kimbo versus sean gannon that's a gross little piece of business

there you remember in like 05 watching that on like grainy internet that was some like wild times certainly was um yeah so there's something about that you could do right uh those are easy calls all right from T John 224 there was a report that the NBA was considering doing a horse competition during this time is there any skills competition game you could see working for MMA well first of all I don't see that working for the NBA I mean they might be able to make a horse competition happen it'll be terrible television I mean it'll be really really bad it only works if you can shit talk your friend in person and then bet money and or like whatever it that that's the way horse works is that not the horse itself but the stakes so is there a thing you could do

mma wise yeah i'm sure they already have it luke it's called metamorris and submission underground all those all that weird stuff that you watch on fight pass yeah but you can't do that because jiu-jitsu has basically been shut down too so the answer is ordinarily probably but like do i want to see people hitting speed bags no no do i want to see them pushing weighted sleds no so i i don't i don't really know what it would be how about an arm wrestling contest between big mma personalities you'd watch that right right? No. I don't tend to watch people doing things they're not good at if I can avoid it. Okay.

Okay. Right? You know what I'm saying? All right. This is from Anvik. Luke, Brian, where have been your favorite vacation spots? Two of mine are Gu what top a columbia and danang vietnam uh what do you think brian what's your top vacation spot uh we were camping once

full week in a tent the full nine with the kids in uh maine at acadia national park and i'm a big uh mountain national park nature type nerd and you know have many dreams to visit the big ones out west one day hopefully soon but you go up there's long drive up to northern maine there on the coast and you'll find some life changing beauty luke from from you know from mountains to the to the rocky shore and all that uh there's some there's some stuff out there that's just insanely gorgeous great hiking uh that one was one that will stick with me forever now did you go camping or did you go glamping no we did the full the full thing i'd never kept more than a night or two at that point and we did a full seven days cooking all meals

basically showering down the road at the convenience store. I mean, we went for it. And it was challenging, but there is a pride at the end of the night, you know, when you had hiked all day, you'd cooked your meals, you'd cleaned, you'd done all this stuff, you'd had the fire. And then when you put your head down on the ground, there's that like, yeah, yeah. You know, it's a connection that we in our privileged padded world never never normally have with nature luke can i tell you that like all my years in the marine corps have completely soured me on camping like i just had i used to love camping and then i i was made so miserable by the united states marine corps in terms of my outdoor work

that i just have never there's not been one time since I got out when I was age 25, I've looked around and said, man, I really want to go camping. Probably because I was the only person I've ever known to be hospitalized for mosquito bites when I couldn't open my eyes after one time at Fort Apey Hill and I also got Lyme disease. Maybe that has something to do with it, Brian Campbell.

Oh, sorry for laughing once you brought up the Lyme disease part, Luke, but that sounded like a good story there. yeah i literally one time i was uh i was at fort a.p hill and i was in this tower because we were doing an artillery exercise so we were calling for fire on all the rounds coming in and uh we that night i remember and i had used like off trust me i wasn't like just going there with nothing and i remember i woke up the next day and i like I could have My eyes, but I'd only slept like three hours. So I didn't know what it was I was like, oh, I'm just tired

But then I would splash my face with water and I still could not open my eyes So now I'm starting to panic so then I walk out of the tower like hands on the rails and I find the the Humvee and I flip the They have these giant mirrors around and I it around, and it looked like Frankenstein had been stung by 50 bees, and I couldn't see, so they had to call a corpsman over, which is a medic, and they're like, we don't know what your problem is, so they took me to the local sick bay, basically, and what they basically said was, they counted almost 100 mosquito bites on my scalp. Those son of a bitch mosquitoes, they were using the off just as like a way to glide down onto my scalp to like ease the runway. I will say camping was the vacation of choice before we had money.

Now that we can afford like cruises and that kind of stuff, we've never went back. I wish we would. Life was simpler back then. Anywhere else, Luke? I've been to Mexico a bunch of times. I love me some Mexico. Culture, beaches, the people. The people are great. I love Mexican people, Luke. Love them. Okay. That's nice. I will say a lot of people might expect me to say Colombia because of my significant other. It's a nice place to visit. It's a really nice place to visit, as a matter of fact. I always recommend it.

But that's not my favorite. My favorite has got to be Madrid, Spain. It's a six-hour flight from the East Coast. And Spain is maybe the most magical place I've ever been in my life. I just, I'm not saying the Spaniards are all that nice. I'm not saying they're not nice. They're Spaniards. They're sometimes niceards They're sometimes nice

They're sometimes cold It's Europe But in terms of what you can see when you go there And how diverse the country is From the place in Barcelona Which is full of Catalan's To then the Basque region Which is utterly different

And then you're in the Salamanca area And Sevilla And it's all totally different The Spanish country is incredible But Madrid man Madrid is just one of these places It's just completely unmistakable. So my heart breaks for everyone obviously affected by the COVID-19 virus, no place more than our home here in the United States. But I also had some sympathy for the folks of Spain. It's a beautiful country. The food is,

there's no place in the world that has better food than spain i don't give a shit where you're from um and it is just one of the most incredible diverse interesting spectacular places to see in your life quickly luke while we're all sitting here collectively not vacationing and thinking about the where would you go if you can go to one place right now what's the number one on your list for me? Glacier National Park in northern Montana. That's my stop. That's where I got to end up sooner than later. Where is it for you, Luke?

Lebanon? No. Lebanon was hard to get to. Syria? Hard to get to. Libya? Why would you say places that are war-torn and shitty? Because that's where you were on your vacation.

You lived in Qatar, bro. I'm going back through your life with you doha is not shitty i don't know if you know that or not it's not um somewhere with a beach i'm dying to go to the beach man maybe maybe like aruba or something you ever been to one of those like uh islands in the caribbean something like that st martin yeah yeah i mean i just got back from jamaica last fall know, what part of Jamaica was I in? You know where I go? Because I've had a hard time between the earthquakes

and Hurricane Maria and everything else. I go to Puerto Rico. That's where I go. Nice beaches, nice people, a little bit of Spanish, a little bit of English. They take the dollar. I'll try my chances there. How about that?

All right. All right. You got a job, Luke, and I got shit to show you. We got to move the show along. Hold on. Last one. Last one. Here we go. Very quickly. You got a job, Luke, and I got shit to show you. We got to move the show along. Hold on. Last one. Last one. Here we go.

Very quickly. From Roxy DePue. That's two weeks in a row. Two weeks in a row. Is that a female, Luke? Do we have female watchers? Just Courtney, the person in charge of Showtime. Oh, sorry.

Sorry about that. Hi, Luke. All bias aside, what is the DC market value of your wife's haircut? And is it better than Brian's's do it yourself if the quarantine period is extended is a shaved head inevitable let's start backwards brian if the quarantine goes on till july will you shave your head no no no you keep doing the barracks cuts i will keep doing it i got i got more confidence i gotta slow it down i gotta watch more youtubes but i'm gonna fade this bad boy up i'm even gonna flow be the top with my uh yeah keep going yeah yeah all right

so brian i'll let you be the judge if my normal haircuts because of the rent in dc is so high are a hundred what would you rate this bad boy huh what's the cost of this thing huh first of all it's so lame that you would pay a hundred dollars for a haircut uh that's pretty good so um where i come from if you're paying like 28 that's a good a good-ass haircut. That's a good-ass cut. I'd say that's about a $25 haircut in most normal places, Luke. I mean, I got my haircut in New York City before it wasn't $100. What's going on in D.C.? You don't even get a hot dog or a Hummer? It's really just straight up a haircut for $80?

Dude, I used to know Marines who would go to these places where they would give you a haircut and a hummer and I'd be like describe the people who actually hand out the hummers then they would and I'd be like dude why would you want a hummer from that person that is the worst decision imaginable and they did

they'd love to get a haircut and then have some toothless woman in her 70s just give them the old you know this show't know the old how's your father this show just got real gross courtney it's luke's fault thank you thank you sorry about that all right well before we get fired for our hr violations let's get to it now take it away brian campbell oh hey we scoured the globe to find the good the bad the ugly in combat sports luke it's have you seen this shit it's been two we've been having animals attack people

let's get back to some fights check out this muay thai fight and this jumping shin ko have you seen this shin luke jason play the damn video already roll the effing video thank you brian have you seen this shin wow we are surrounded by imbeciles hey good thing we did that run through earlier jay jay press the play button just push play bon jovi just come on all right here we go yeah there it is oh you gotta see the replay i think the corner of my screen block that but that man is is not coming back luke he's got a one-way ticket to hell. Luke, look at that. Wow. Wow, dude.

He's really out there having a bad day. Look at this. Jumping switch. Wow. That's some Mortal Kombat-ish right there. That's some video game-ish. Yeah. Well, speaking of angry Asian people, hey, let's go down to...

Oh, look at that. One more time. What's going on here? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. That is a... God, what's that a it's not a sayonara it's a um oh yoko something i forgot the name of that's a real move from judo bro look at that judo toss judo chop look at that he tries to this guy this guy's got real judo moves look at this what country do you think this is a korean parliament i don't know but i love it i would love if our government had this just to settle uh i think this is called a tomonagi

yoko tomonagi wow wow i could i'm entertained by this all day all right hey back to real fights luke this is the greatest punch aversion move i've ever seen kick wow look he took the red pill look at that matrix ish. Luke, is that physically possible? Is that guy a magician? How do they do that? Dude, they're getting people who do limbo now. Remember the, you ever done a limbo at like a little hour or something?

Yes. Yes, I have Luke. So I, the spoon isn't bent. I think your mind is, isn't that what that, what Lawrence Fishburne taught us? Look at that. Wow. Yeah, no. It's not about bending the spoon.

It's to realize there is no spoon. There is no kick to the face. Look. I mean, if I could do that, Luke, I would talk trash to any person on the sidewalk, Luke, if I can avoid shots like that. I normally don't say that people do that better than Adesanya, but that dude does it better than Adesanya. He must do yoga. You know what I'm saying flexible guy luke hey let's uh hey tiger king's taking over

all our lives and shout out to david spade's podcast he's interviewing all those weirdos but the original tiger king is still mike tyson here's a little throwback video wow oh mike mike watch out watch out is he subduing is it wow luke you know he regrets all of this right well why not that guy almost scratched his balls off i mean look at that i love how mike was able to just take the thing down just be like nope nope uh have you seen my have you seen my ish i'm mike tyson yeah you got to be a little bit crazy to decide this giant wild animal in excess of four to five hundred pounds is a wonderful thing to keep around the house wow i mean i don't think wow

i mean i know michael jackson had some weird animals i don't think he handled them like that luke that's why he always used to invite those young all right enough on that hey luke we're gonna roll on to real mma here in kazakhstan there's a promotion called arash pride fc what the hell are they doing they're fighting on persian rugs luke and that guy's gonna send to hell get the vacuum out get the vacuum out get the get the get the thing luke get the shark get the shark out pick that guy i don't think those are persian rugs but they are rugs are those oriental or is it racist to call it that uh it's a little bit racist because the orient would apply everything from the arab to the chinese world which would be a little bit arman ashamov with the ko it's pretty sick ko but what do you think the reason you think it just

rained that day this looks like outdoor region this looks like two brothers in their living room yeah that's true they just happen to have a cage around it that's that's uh maybe this took place on the on the gw animal preserve with joe exotic back in the day you never know how do you want to bet the promoter was like we don't have any soft cushioning in case someone gets knocked out or is that water on the other side see that's a little rained i think it was outdoor and it rained and there was like a there was like a oriental rug store down the road and they're in yeah they were just like screw it let's just throw some rugs on there the show must go on dana must have been promoting it all right let's move on here luke check out this boxing ring walk i believe it's europe i'm gonna guess russia look at this

guy look at this lamb he's silent silence of this lamb oh dude this is not even as good as what lightning lee murray did lightning lee murray did this this. He came out with the whole mask and the cuffs. Did he have two soldiers with AK-47s here, too? All right. He lacked the AK-47 accoutrement. Yeah. He had the mask. I can't tell if this is a stunt or they just got this guy out of Rahway State Prison here.

Put the lotion in the basket already, Luke. Come on. This is great. Or else he gets the hose again. I know what you're saying. What is he? Some great big fat person? Yeah, she was a big girl.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wow. I don't know who this guy is, but he's my new favorite fighter. This is great. This is great stuff. All right.

We're going to move on for more-ish, Luke. Check out these two old bastards on the road. They're violating social distancing here, but look at the Natty Light 30-pack. Look at these guys. They're going to party like it's 1959. Watch this, Luke. This has to be a bit. No, I don't think so. I think they're just reliving how they took it to some broads during Prohibition.

Look at that. They got stories, those two, Luke. This is great. When I become an old B, I want to be this guy with the 30-pack of Natty Light. Love it. That dude's life is better than ours in every conceivable way. Oh, my God. He's seen it all.

He's seen it all, Luke. That's my new podcast co-host right there. All right. You love when animals almost destroy people here, Luke. Let's go to the horse farm. Rate this dad's ability to protect his son. We're getting a little too close to the animal. Oh, God.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God, Oh, my God. Luke, get it. Get it. Wow. All right. I mean, if it's kid abuse, I'm not, like, super-sized for that. You got to have a horse kicking some jackass who's taunting it,

not just some poor kid who doesn't know. That was kind of humorous, Luke. It was dangerous, though. We came close. We came close to faces of death. I like how the dad is, like, no-selling it. Like, here he is in a tug of war for his child's life. Glasses

and everything else. Finally wins. Look at him. Ah, isn't that funny? Ha, ha, ha. The mom's probably behind the camera going nuts. She's like, honey, I got it. I got it. It's fine. Everything's fine. Hey, Luke, remember that time I tried to show that circus performer and the snake killed him and then they were like you can't show death on this thing i'm like i show dongs every week you know i guess there's a line you can't cross all right luke

we're gonna play are we now are we now gonna look at the horse's dog what's up next we're gonna get play a game called bite or flight i'm gonna show you some food you're gonna tell me if you would take a bite out of it during this hungry corona season all right here we go number one jay mac and cheese chicken sandwich luke bite or flight bite yeah i'd bite the crap out of that look at little red onions on the bottom there i like that ish a lot all right let's move on let's go to uh india check out this street food bazaar in india i don't know what you call i don't know what it's made out of here luke is this indian pizza can you buy that at the new deli or the old one oh oh god bite luke you're gonna bite that no i'm gonna pass on the indian street food my guy yeah i ain't biting that issue i already have two two dogs and a cat i don't need

a tapeworm pet that was very force forceful how he treated that lady too. She deserves better. All right, we're going to roll on from here. We had to get a hot dog involved, Luke. Check this thing out, okay? Watch the specifics of how it's made. Tell me if you get any movement. Be honest, but check it out here.

Cheese inside the dog. Okay. Oh, you're going to fry it? fry it you're gonna bread it you're gonna put it in the uh in the mustard roll it with the fries oh we got some business here how about that a french fry doggy and on that look i dipped the crap out of that in ketchup i don't know what just happened in my pants but but I think it's explosive diarrhea. Oh, God. It could have been the other end. Do you see that cheese ooze out?

All right. I'm going to bite. I'm biting. Okay. Hey, let's move on here. They call this a blood sausage, Luke. Bite or flight on this one, okay? It's Korean pork tenderloin.

More siege is what they call it in Colombia. Yeah. I've had blood sausage a million times, yes. I'm not sure if this is not an adult film. I can't really figure it out, Luke. It's something here. Is this what your people eat, Luke? It doesn't look like that, though.

Blood sausage in Columbia is like this long, and it's black from the blood. That's a mouthful. That's disgusting. I am not biting that, Luke. And I've eaten some gross things, ill-handled, out of some gross gas stations. I ain't going down. I'm not kissing that girl after. I do not want to be a part of that, okay?

However you guys get down to Columbia. It doesn't look like that. It doesn't look like that. Did you and your wife have this on the first date, Luke? Be honest. I took my wife to a shooting range on our first date. That's a true story. Wow. Wow. All wow all right finally bite or flight on this luke you know we all love ourselves from baked beans dude what is wrong with you i mean honestly have you been hit over the head with a

shovel how did you find this and what would occur to you about this that you would think this is a thing you would want to share? You need a hug, bro, and not from me. Bite or flight. I'm going in. I'm going in, Luke, okay? I'm going in right now. Of course I'm biting. What kind of a question is that?

All right, hey, let's wind it down here. Check out this beer trick from this fellow who looks like McLovin. Are you more impressed by him taking down this pitcher or by his nerd friend's reaction on the left check it out yes yes dude that guy is amazing wow now that's a mouthful but look at that guy yeah you were all impressed with the dude who put the three coronas in his mouth fuck that guy this guy's your winner that's impressive wow shout out to that guy okay uh we'll head out to the uh the outback the safari right here luke you and i tip to tip that's the spirit we get down does this

qualify as a as african elephant tip to tip or what luke i grabbed that from from doc antler's uh myrtle beach safari instagram page there a little shot yeah i'm sure that these animals are being horribly abused that's what i love on this show abused animals are those two dating i can't really figure it out look i don't know how elephants get down but uh they're probably like brothers and they're being pulled apart to be serviced for two different animals and this is them holding on together it's probably a very tearful and awful situation that we're now well last one luke you mentioned your first date. We do have footage from your first date. You were using your Second Amendment rights.

Let's check this out. Cocked and loaded, Luke. Here we go. Oh, my God. Oh, God. I bet he's glad there's not a whole lot of recoil on that charging handle. Oh, God. Yeah.

Wow. Hope he's wearing a cup. Check out the future's so bright. That guy had to wear shades. He's loving this. That is awesome. Wow. That is awesome.

I think they're dating after this. You got to be. Wow. Dude, Nutshots is your favorite account. I'm not sure. I'm not convinced you're not actually running that account. Yeah, that's a fair point. But in these depraved times, Luke, we've got to make people laugh.

So have you seen that shit, Luke? It's great. All right, we're short on time. So. So have you seen that shit, Luke? That's great. All right, we're short on time, so let's jump right into it. Odds and ends, Brian Campbell, please go first. WrestleMania 36 was two nights. I've got to be honest, we didn't know how the empty arena would translate. For the most part, it did not translate great, although that Kevin Owens-Seth Rollins match, frigging fantastic.

Same with the ladder match. But the highlight, Luke, have you seen this-ish? The video of the Boneyard match, Luke. The Undertaker, AJ Styles. Here's what WrestleMania basically did. They went out in a graveyard with film cameras and basically produced a B-movie style action scene. There was bad Metallica playing behind them.

There was run-ins from tag team partners there was these amazingly bad cheesy one-liners called undertaker you old bitch i mean it was just mesmerizing television i'm all in on that kind of crap it was great i can't believe the people that run the show don't have footage to back up my enthusiasm right now thanks guys luke did you check this out at all it's basically a stephen seagal movie it just happened to have the 55 year old undertaker in it uh i've not i was told that a boneyard match is where two guys try to fuck each other to death is that true oh god wow wow wow luke all right yeah okay i'm not that's not that's not i'm not judging it i'm just saying that's not for me. Woo! Boneyard match. I'm not judging it.

I'm just saying that's not for me, if that makes sense. Boneyard match. I already saw Shevchenko, young Jaycheck. Yeah. Hey-oh! All right, last but not least, the President of the United States held a call over the weekend with sports commissioners from the various leagues. I think there were 10 people on the call, including Vince McMahon, Dana White, Adam

Silver, Roger Goodell, and many others. Now, we don't know exactly what the contents of the call were, Brian Campbell. However, it appears that one piece that did get out, unrelated to what we usually talk about, was that the president told Roger Goodell they were looking forward for football to start on time. With preseason kicks off around August, training camps before that season kicks off late august early september brian campbell do you think we have american football on time by august or september very quickly i think we do that's enough time where they can get a lot sorted out and i think that's the normalcy that they want returned to this country if you look across the board that's that's america's pastime right now the nfl everyone gets involved everyone makes money off of it if you're telling me we are full blast back by you know summer training camp i'd be very

happy i think fighting by the way not just dana april 18th i think fight he's gonna gonna be back in the next month and a half luke i really do maybe empty arenas for a while but uh i got i got an optimistic tone i've been rocking out to the war on drugs i think this thing is going to turn around luke i do not think we will have football by then. I do not think we're going to have football until 2021. That's my prediction. We shall see. Okay, if you want to follow us, we have to get out of here.

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of here yes uh this friday we're back guys classic combat is back showtime boxing is back from the archives saturday night 10 p.m eastern on showtime i don't know the greatest fight ever corrales castillo won 2005 you're gonna get a showtime rear and you're gonna get the boys from mortal kombat morning combat afternoon combat late night combat giving you a classic combat episode on youtube your fight companion. And it doesn't just stop. Yeah, Friday night. That's Friday night. That's Saturday night.

That's what I said. Friday night, right? Come on, Jay. That's what I said. Friday night, 10 Eastern. But Luke, it... No, I didn't... Ryan, you got to wrap it up.

Luke's got another job, guys. But we're going to have some great shoulder content to spin off of that to get you pumped up. We got interviews with Joe Goosen in the shirt who was in Corrales' corner. We got interviews with Tony Weeks, the referee, with the great hair part. Luke, let's relive, I don't know, the best fight of your lifetime, brother. Let's get fired up for Diego Corrales. Jose Luis Castillo won. Keep it locked to those social media channels for more information about that on Friday.

All right. For Brian Campbell over at CBS, I am Luke Thomas. Thank you guys so much for watching. Keep it locked to those social media channels for more information about that on Friday. All right. For Brian Campbell over at CBS, I am Luke Thomas. Thank you guys so much for watching. And until next time, may all of your gains be loyal. This life was all I ever wanted. I'm not leaving. Not yet.

I was hoping you'd say that. We gotta hit the streets, make some money. People like us must destroy people like him. Buckle up.