MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Mayweather vs. Logan Paul | Spence Defeats Garcia | Hermansson vs. Vettori | Ep. 91

Episode Date: December 7, 2020

On Episode 91 of MK, Luke and Brian recap the weekend of combat sports, including Errol Spence Jr's impressive win over Danny Garcia in boxing (27:30) and Marvin Vettori's decision victory over Jack Hermansson in the UFC. Vettori says he wants Paulo Costa next and a rematch vs. Israel Adesanya (47:55). How serious of a contender is he? What's next for Errol Spence Jr (27:30)? Plus, the boys react to the news that Floyd Mayweather will be taking on Logan Paul in February (6:35). --------------------------------- 'Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit: store.sho.com   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat  To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is December 7th, 2020 and it is time, Donks, for Morning Combat. Hello, everyone. My name is Luke Thomas. I'm one half of your hosting duo. I am from CBS Sports, as is my colleague. He is the tie to my yule, because we're getting about that time, BC. It is, of course, Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian. Hi. I would have preferred cake to your urinal at any point as well, Luke. But I'm just happy to be here. There's a great franchise we've built called Morning Combat.

Hopefully you can recover from the pre-show headphones meltdown you had. Everything good there, Luke? We good? Yeah, now it is. Now it is. Nothing works until it's supposed to. And then doesn't when it, I don't know, it just doesn't work in any kind of consistent way. So it's a little bit annoying.

Now, are you back in L.A. tomorrow or tonight? How does this work? No, that's next week. week yeah okay very good all right well nevertheless uh you're trying to you're trying to get me more covet i mean what are you doing here what are you what are you doing right now am i trying to get you more covet no i'm not trying to get you more covet the numbers are bad out there luke i'd like to spend some time in connecticut for a while thank you yes uh all right well you know what? Glad to see you're back. Glad to see you're COVID-free, unlike much of America.

But, you know, that's a different story for a different time. A lot happened over the weekend. First things first, though, give the video a thumbs up. Hit that subscribe button. BC had live and instant reaction for you for Spence Garcia. I had a breaking news video yesterday for this thing we're going to get to here in just a second this mayweather news so we're giving you lots of free stuff the kayla harrison video will be back up today there was the thing i had to take care of

with it but it will go back up today so let me guess let me guess she made a pat tillman joke yes and legal called me it was like jesus again people i thought we were i thought we were through this i thought we had an understanding. No, it'll be back up today. So apologies for some of those folks and to her, but we'll get it back up. And a lot more content coming your way. Also, if you want to try Showtime to check out that Hector Camacho video, or excuse me, I should say documentary, which came out on Friday.

It was very good. I watched it with my family. 30-day free trial. You can go to Showtime.com. If you like it, you can keep it. If not, you can pound sand. BC, you saw the documentary. I saw it on Friday as well.

Man, what an era in boxing that was. It made me miss. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think we'll ever get back to that time. No. It reminds you how damn long Hector Camacho's career was. I mean, he fought everybody.

It's crazy and was a different incarnation of himself along the way. You know, just a drawing card for a while. There were points where he was top of the world, one of the pound for pound best. But what a crazy life. And I thought the documentary did a great job of capturing that. And if you want to try some merch, I don't have any on today, BC. Oh, no, I don't think I have any readily available. But you can go to store.show.com.

Great, you know, stocking stuffer, maybe Christmas gift, depending on what kind of stuff you want to get. You can get hats, shirts, mugs, the whole nine yards. I think that's all the plugging that we have to do. Okay, with that out of the way, we normally would start with Spence Garcia. We will get to that in just a minute. But as I indicated, there was breaking news yesterday, Brian. So we'll make this our one of six topics, but we'll do it here to start the show. Floyd Mayweather put out a statement on a video, I should say, as well on Instagram yesterday,

saying he is going to be in a boxing exhibition with YouTube bozo Logan Paul. It is on February 20th, but we don't know much else about it. We don't know the weight. We don't know the place. We don't know the venue. We don't even know the fight card. We just know that there is, for now, that. A lot to unpack here, but since I went first yesterday, of course you have the floor. What is your reaction to this news? I mean, it sort of is what it is in a way. Everyone sort of has to have a hot take link to this. Is this my preferred fight for either one or for boxing? No, but at the same time, it's kind of fun and it's kind of interesting in light of what we've had lately, which is YouTubers showing up on quasi-boxing cards, Tyson and Jones rekindling the magic of old

and coming back and gaining some attention for boxing, Snoop Dogg on commentary. Boxing is always, people, an S-show. Let's be really honest. That's what this great and ridiculous and awful and beautiful sport is. To me, this is just a more carnival exhibition extension of it. So I know there's a lot of fire and brimstone hot takes

about how this pay-per-view fight is ridiculous and will ruin the sport. Can we end that already, please? Okay. The great Larry Merchant said it best. Boxing, you can't fix it and it'll never die. You know, like you can't kill it. I mean, this is what it is.

Were we not here for Mayweather McGregor, which did 4.4 million pay-per-view buys around? Were we not here for Tyson Jones a couple weeks ago, which did pretty good numbers? The idea that this will somehow hurt the boxing business or put a stain on it is so far off and ridiculous. If anything, let's wake up for a second this helps boxing seriously no it definitely doesn't i know no it does it really does help boxing is it a preferred move if you're a traditional fan who just watched garcia and spence and you love the fights no it's not your preferred move it's a 44 year old retired champion going in there against a guy everyone

hates who's 50 pounds heavier on YouTube. But at the same time, it brings people out to care about boxing. It brings in a new young audience. I know it's not pure traditional boxing. I know it's a little bit of the ridiculous, but I don't see how this hurts the sport in any form. If anything, Luke, do you know what's actually good out of this the the pay-per-view pricing system that floyd put out there you know what's good about tyson jones it was 50 not 75 like spence garcia not a hundred bucks like all the big floyd fights of recent memory it was 50 bucks you know what's good about this floyd uh logan paul fight this system where if you buy it now it's something like 24.95 if you wait a month it goes up 10 bucks for

the first million for the audience for the first million buys it's 25 bucks then it goes to 40 bucks then 60 bucks and then i think 65 day of if you wait till the end it's 65 you know what that is that's really smart and that's a that's a potential progressive change for the business because we always say when a pay-per-view goes out there that we know the true ceiling of this boxing pay-per-view might be 400 000 because of illegal streaming and all you know and all that today uh we always say what if you put it for half that price would you double triple your audience would boxing feel like it's back right now if pay-per-views were the same price they were in the uk which is right around 30 40 bucks well look if you really want to watch this fight or you think you might feel the itch by the end of it,

you probably want to buy it right now for 25 bucks. That's nothing. That's a drop in the bucket. That's actually a smart idea that maybe could help real boxing moving forward. The same thing I'll say, Luke, about all the recent ridiculousness and circus fights, I'll say it again.

As long as it is not linked with real boxing, meaning prominent real boxing, and it's a separate thing but still part of the boxing universe who does this hurt please tell me right now who does this hurt i don't know the site but i think floyd was talking about going to japan didn't he have a press conference in in asia last month yep if it's outside the grounds of traditional united states commissioning and all that like Like we've seen this before. What a year and a half ago, Floyd beat up on a 20 year old featherweight kickboxer who, you know, like, like we've seen this before.

It's not that big of a deal. So, you know, when boxing is going to be hurt, Luke, when Spence Garcia becomes the co-main event for Logan Paul against Jake Paul, that's when you say, okay, boxing's hurting. They need the damn Paul brothers in order to get people to care about it. No, this is something left field and ridiculous. It's like and one in the NBA sphere. Luke, is there room for and one? Remember that great show?

The shoe line? Hot sauce. Remember hot sauce? Streetball? Yeah, hot sauce was one of my favorites. There's the damn professor. There's Mark Jackson's fat brother who passed away. I love that guy, all right?

There's room for all that crap. You can't kill boxing, all right? We've seen much worse than this. Listen, I am perfectly willing to, and I think it's totally true, that this doesn't hurt boxing. There's just really no argument you can make in a sound kind of way. If you find it personally appealing or personally off-putting, that's fine. You know, tastes are going to vary on this one.

But the idea that this hurts the boxing business, to me, seems quite ridiculous. And I actually feel like their pricing mechanism here, like BC, I don't know if it will work. My hunch is it will work probably at least at a bare minimum pretty well. But I like that people are experimenting with it. They're lowering the price point. They're finding unique ways. Does this overturn the pay-per-view market? Does it change things in terms of how price points work going forward? You know, that I don't know, but I'd be curious to see any kind of new innovator

in the space try something a little bit different. And if it works, hey, it's to the consumer's interest because if you get enough early, again, you get it for $25. So I think that's actually the most interesting part about it. But here's the thing that I think folks who are in favor of this or otherwise don't mind it need to accept. It's not for me. It might be for you or any of the viewers out there. Time will tell. Again, we don't even know who's on the rest of this fight card, blah, blah, blah. You know, we'll have to see all of that.

But here's the part that I would say. In the same way that it does not hurt boxing, the idea that it benefits it is fucking ridiculous. That is a lie that promoters like to tell to get you to buy this shit. If you buy this and you are primarily interested in this, it is not going to turn somebody into an advocate for making Spence versus Crawford. It is not anybody that's going to turn around and say, you know what we need to see? You know what really is important?

You know what I really just can't think enough of? I want to see Choco Letito out there again. It's got nothing to do with it. It's a side attraction. It neither hurts nor helps. It's its own entity kind of floating out there in the ether. They want to claim that this converts a younger audience into boxing. There is literally no proof of that whatsoever in any of the Pauls' involvement.

It has not changed boxing's fortunes or altered its demographics whatsoever. If you want to buy it, buy it. If you don't, don't. Boxing will be just fine or good or bad either way. But the idea that this boosts its fortunes is a total fabrication. Don't buy into it. Well, let's meet in the middle on that idea. I'm not here to argue that this helps boxing.

I'm here to argue against the idea that this viciously hurts boxing. Again, show me the day when a Spence Garcia becomes an undercard fight for a YouTuber. When that happens, boxing's hurting. We're not there right now. But the idea that it couldn't help Luke is a little ridiculous as well. Look, there are a lot of people who want to be boxing fans. They just don't make the best fights and make it easy to watch. Well, if you're a younger audience and you're a big Jake Paul fan or Logan Paul or Ron Paul, I don't care. Get all Chris Paul.

Get all the Pauls out here. If you're a fan of that and this brings you in, oh, man, the fights are fun. I want to see a real fight. They may go out and buy a damn pay-per-view. It also may make the powers that be, the people who are not going out of their way to make Errol Spence versus Terrence Crawford Luke the more success these odd ball pay-per-views have I'm telling you the more it'll push the real boxing promoters to put their best foot forward and work together and make things happen that's how indirectly I think it's better for boxing the more times 54 year old mike tyson

is going to come out and do a million pay-per-view buys or the damn paul brothers the more it's going to push actual boxing to do what they don't do put their best possible available fight on the marquee every single time so in the long run it could help boxing it's certainly not gonna hurt it so anyone who's not gonna hurt it's's on that show, get off my lawn. I know I'm the old man usually, but I agree with you. The claims that it's going to hurt it is totally... The sky is falling. This is going to change everyone's perception of boxing.

No, it's not. It's very much not that at all. The appeal is different. At the same time, Logan Paul's not going to get credit for forcing top-ranked's hand in some negotiation with Al Heyman. That is just ridiculous pie-in-the-sky shit. Now, the pay-per-view pricing... You don't have to like this, though.

Luke Thomas, you don't have to like this. But there's only four people on this earth who have a right to be mad at this fight. You want to know who they are? The people in the damn Paul family who are going to have to scoop up their son off the canvas when this guy gets creamed by floyd that's it okay that's the only thing and if everyone else it's either you buy it or you don't bro it is what it is i have to say don't you marvel a little bit at what uh floyd is doing i mean floyd sort of has always

recognized his abilities and we often said you know the pretty boy pretty boy Floyd, and who was it that recently said that? Teofimo Lopez really kind of acknowledged this. There was a period in Floyd's career, man, where he was fighting hammers, you know, very, very routinely. And then he was still fighting hammers, but a little bit at just the right time, where they're still quite difficult, still a good fight to sell, but, you know, is a little bit more manageable as a contest.

And then he retires, at least we think he retires. And then he comes back and he fights Conor McGregor, makes an absolute ass ton of money, then fights Tenshin Nasakawa, who is a decorated kickboxer, but was very, very small. I didn't realize how much smaller he was when he fought Floyd until they were facing off. And I was like, holy shit, he is way smaller.

And then now he's going to do this exhibition, and not a fight, but an exhibition, against a guy who is ostensibly much bigger, but is more or less, you know, uh, this was the guy in the class down by the boiler room basically. But you know, what's the threat to Floyd? Probably quite little. The pricing mechanism on the pay-per-view that could end up being a huge boon to them because you and I both know BC, a lot of fights are just walk-up tickets and last-minute pay-per-views. They're going to make a lot on that 65, I suspect. Dude, Floyd is finding the most innovative ways to get paid at a time in his life when

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Level up from bill payer to reward slayer. Terms and conditions apply. Yeah, oh, it's brilliant. Let's be honest now. It's brilliant. There's less danger in this fight than there was in the conor mcgregor fight only he used the conor mcgregor fight meaning floyd to completely take over the mma audience remember when floyd would come out ahead of that fight when we were talking about it and say i'm the biggest star in boxing i'm the biggest star in the ufc and people be like what are you talking about? They started writing about him every day, every week.

He's doing the same with identifying a moving market, which is social media and the influencers and all that. It's absolutely brilliant, Luke. And anyone, again, that links this to the whole idea of, like, aging stars shouldn't do this. I mean, good God, go revisit what Muhammad Ali did, actually still in the tail end of the prime of his career. He did exhibition boxing. The fight against Inoki sucked I mean right and there's a whole other side topic to that

was that the first MMA fight of all time all that stuff but he boxed Lyle Alzado the NFL vet who became a boxer for a short period in an exhibition he did all kinds of pro wrestling type gaga crossovers um all our great heroes from our grandparents days too by the way the joe lewis is the sugar ray robinson's all eventually ended up in pro wrestling just because you know trying to make ends meet and get extra money i mean it's there's nothing really it's shameless yes but there's a long detailed history of it in the fact that we're coming off of tyson jones with talk of tyson holyfield three and we just had the KSI Logan Paul last year. It became a big deal.

I mean, look, it is what it is right now. And here's the genius part, Luke. So many people are going to tune in just to see this kid get knocked out, and he will. And, you know, maybe there's 10% or 20% of the market who are going, I don't know, man, Floyd's kind of old. And those Pauls, man, they're in shape. You know, they're pretty good. Maybe you get 25% of the. Floyd's kind of old. Those Pauls, man, they're in shape. They're pretty good.

Maybe you get 25% of the market on those type of fans. I mean, either way, it's brilliant. It's going to work. It's going to sell. Jay is expressing skepticism about your ideas. Jay, what do you think? Jay, what do you got here? Okay, first of all, just for a second, are you not impressed, that a 44 year old guy

can get in shape to fight a guy who calls himself a boxer in his young 20s in less than two months no i don't know he's always in the gym he's always i don't care about that at all yeah but it's i mean it's that's still impressive and you have a salient point right now do you have something right i think you're crazy i think you're crazy if you think that 25 of the audience even the people that don't know boxing at all don't think that logan paul has any this is not uh as you've detailed on this show many times where floyd and connor they you know floyd made you think and connor made you think that connor had a chance this is not that yeah but floyd doesn't promote like other fighters a lot of other fighters

like oh my opponent has no chance and you're like well then why should i watch floyd is always good about being like you know that other guy is really really you should take him seriously the only problem is he's not he's you will not hear that you will not hear that okay we'll see in this promotion i don't know there's a lot of dumb people in this world jay there really is and there were people who went on the record picking connor would win last time around as well in addition so uh there's a market out there for this so even if it's 10 25%, the whole point of that statement I made was even if it's 10%, it's still the 90% just want to see

Logan Paul get knocked out and just want to see this farce. We need to move this conversation along. Thank you, Jay. I appreciate it. One more point, if I may, BC, very quickly. It was something I was thinking about yesterday. Now, I don't know what's going to happen in this exhibition

because the exhibition against Nasakawa was such, and then Floyd went in there and just brutalized it but that's japan where their commission oversight depending on boxing or mma is uh well either it exists or it doesn't i'm not sure what the rules were for that one but here in the united states in california they were very careful about you know you couldn't go for the kill i don't know where they're going to put this my hunch is bc if they're smart to avoid you know any kind of stringent commission oversight while still having one, you would go to Texas, right? Because Texas, I mean, even the referee had a mask under his nose for Spence Garcia.

I was like, they don't give a fuck in Texas. Texas forever. Believe that. You know, clear eyes, illegal commission, can't lose. No, you got to bring this. Let me get this last point out, if I may. I want to see what you think about it. I was trying to think about what the appeal is,

because if you watch this last point out, if I may. I want to see what you think about it. I was trying to think about what the appeal is, because if you watch this fight, ironically, or this exhibition, ironically, 25 bucks, what do you have to lose? You might get some kind of cheap fun out of it. Again, not for me, but I sort of understand that appeal. But the folks are kind of invested in a real sense. What would be the appeal there? My hunch is that, BC, see what you think about this idea.

I haven't fully formed it, but I want to poll you on this one. This exhibition space, right? This is what this is. Because Floyd announced it as an exhibition. He was very careful with the language. He didn't announce it as a fight. He presented it like a fight, but he announced it like an exhibition. It's almost like the bridge between pro wrestling and sport,

where it's got this, you know know it's sort of sold like a fight they do have to get in shape there's a commission oversight and yet at the same time at least in the case of let's say jones and tyson there wasn't a predetermined outcome but they were very very limited in what they could do you sort of got a sense that like it was it was not they were not acting but they were kind of massaging the whole process a little bit to get to a safe kind of landing there at the end. It's not quite one thing. It's not quite the other. And the thing, the reason why it works is because it's got huge star value, right? Two names you couldn't possibly put together,

bam, put it together. So it's like a sugar high of what really makes pay-per-views work, which is star power. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I think that's, that's accurate to a degree, but I think you have to do it outside of the United States, even with a shady state commission, even with a Tai Chi palace. I mean, there's a working 40-pound weight difference here, and I've seen some national pundits come out and crap on this in the last 24 hours, say, hey, don't get too comfortable with this idea until we see a commission.

No, you don't need a commission you go to freaking another country that's where floyd went for nasa kawa a feather weight in floyd a welterweight you know i mean like that's what you do um riddick bowe came back by the way in thailand a couple years ago and sadly that was a payday i what i'm saying is if you're taking it outside of the country it's's a bridge of nothing. It's an actual fight. It's just not set up by a, you know, a recutable, uh, safe commission. And again, if you hate this, don't buy it. But, uh, you know what it is, is going to be a little bit interesting. I don't, I mean, I don't care where you come in on this.

It's pretty damn interesting to see an old man fighter. It's stupid. This is, this is the gathering of the juggalos it's not that interesting if you want to watch it watch it but the thing i really object to no no no you mentioned one part about it people are always like if you don't like it don't buy it okay mission accomplished don't worry about that i'll take that pepsi challenge anytime we're not allowed to say we don't like it we're not allowed to crap on it you get to praise it i get to crap on it like this idea that my only way that i should voice my opinion is just to reserve my dollars fuck that if

i don't like something i'm gonna tell you i don't like it if i think it's stupid i'm gonna tell you it's stupid i have just as much of a right to say that as somebody who loves it so so let's where are all the free speech idealists now all of a sudden look well say well tell that to all your uh your right-handed friends that you get mad when they put things out there in the ether it's free speech luke okay so tito ortiz can say whatever the hell he wants so back down thomas okay he says but it is dumb so all i'm saying is look when guillermo rigondel first came on the scene and was just out boxing dudes a boxing writer named bill detloff guy i love a lot came out and said you know it'd be really fun?

If we just take Rigendale and put him in there against Welterweights. He's so quick, he's so untouchable. That'd be fun. That'd be the only competitive thing. I'm not saying Logan Paul is going to be competitive with Floyd. I am saying with Floyd operating in the obvious circus carnival stage of his career, I'm not against him going in there against bigger guys where their only chance is a functional puncher's chance in a larger body. Look, Nolgan Paul has no freaking chance in this fight, but I don't hate Floyd opening

up a new chapter in this carnival world and saying, what do you got? You think this big guy can beat me? Let's do it. I think there's an interesting element to that, Luke. You could be all high and mighty and act like it's not for you. This job will make you watch it. It's not being high. Dude, it's not elitist to say i like sport that's a fucking exalted position all of a sudden that's what the fucking sleaze at versailles say they want nothing but sport it's not some elevated position it's a totally sensical one like the idea you try to paint it as some kind of like

like this is what the you know effet fucking parisians only eat when they're eating their fucking brie and cheese and bread is ridiculous dude to like sport for what sport presents and to say this is not even close to that is a totally rational totally normal totally baseline opinion i don't know how you could possibly say it's the province of the fucking harvard rowers of the you know of the fucking secret say it's the province of the fucking Harvard rowers of the, you know, of the fucking secret societies.

It's not. Well, this is from a man who listens to cannibal corpse. So I think you can accept Floyd versus anyone at this point. Okay. It's not going to hurt boxing. It's not, it's not going to hurt boxing.

If you want to spend $25, believe me, it'd be fine. I'll say this last question for you, BC. If they don't put $25, believe me, it'll be fine. I'll say this. Last question for you, BC. If they don't put it in Japan, do we lose them? We don't hear you anymore, Luke. I don't think we hear you anymore. Jay, do we hear this guy?

Okay, hold on. Watch out. Meltdown 2 coming up over the headphones. Here we go. Am I back? Am I back? Woo-hoo-hoo. I think you dropped a few JC bombs, right?

And it went right back in. So, hey, praise. Praise, Luke. Okay? Thank you. All right in. So, hey, praise, praise, Luke, okay? Thank you. All right, last thing on this, BC, very quickly. If the fight is in Los Estados Unidos and not Japan, will you be upset? I don't see how it could be in this damn United States.

Although, they did let Tommy Morrison have that MMA fight when he had a positive HIV test down in New Mexico, Indian Reservation, in like 2006. Hashtag never forget, because I sure won't. So I know there's corners of this fine country where anything goes, Luke, but I am telling you right now this will be in Asia. Watch. Watch and see. Okay.

All right. Well, let's get to our first point thing. We went 30 minutes on this shit. Let's get to it now. So Errol Spence defeats Danny Garcia via unanimous decision. Judges had it 116-112 on two of the scorecards, and then one had it 117-111. Brian, let's go to you first on this.

I know you did an instant reaction. First, give me your score. Second, did this victory prove that not only Spence is back, but he's your top pound-for-pound fighter? Yeah, I'm going to go short here, Luke, because I actually care what you have to say, because you didn't put it all over the internet, which I like. You saved it for this show, Luke, you mother...

All right, Luke. Wow, no reaction from him at all. I had a 118-110 for Danny Garcia, or sorry, for Errol Spence, which is 10 rounds to two. Obviously, the scorecards were 8-4, 8-4, and 9-3. Look, this was a masterful boxing performance. Errol Spence proved what I said in the IA show.

He's not only back Luke, he actually might be better than before and better off for having gone through the scare he did. And the main reason obviously, when he is this dedicated, not putting on weight between fights, not living the party life and just back to living on the ranch

with the horses and the kids and focusing on his craft. He's a freaking machine out there. He can outbox you. He can outbrawl you. And I don't want to hear anybody put down the performance Danny Garcia put in unless you're going to criticize that in the championship rounds, he didn't go reckless and leave it all on the line.

He didn't do that to his detriment. Maybe that's why he doesn't win against the uber elites. But he came in in shape. He attempted the second most punch attempts, according to the Uber elites, but he came in in shape. He attempted the second most punch attempts, according to CompuBox, in his career in this fight. He went for it. He's a tough out in this division, and for Spence to come back

14 months later, no setup fight, no get well, and do this on the highest level, you are watching greatness. You are watching one of the pound-for-pound best in the game, and you're probably watching the best welterweight right now. And I think the only way you're going to prove that differently is when we finally make the damn Crawford fight.

Yeah, so I scored 118-110. I'm a little surprised by that scorecard. You didn't see any other rounds for Danny? I gave Danny 5-7. 8-9-10-ish rounds? Well, here, let me tell you this. I gave him 5-7, but I will say actively, this was a close competitive fight meaning it was clear with your eyes that spence won the majority of rounds and deserves to be the winner but danny garcia doesn't get bodied right

he doesn't get he doesn't get reckless he's a tough ass out where he makes you work for all three minutes it's a chess match in there he landed some pretty big counter shots maybe you didn't like his strategy maybe it wasn't enough but in the end i gave him two rounds but he was in nine of these rounds more or less yeah it's interesting he well you know what to your point even his father was like at the post-site presser was like he didn't throw enough punches he wasn't active enough that's how you win you got to do damage you can't do all this other stuff damage is what matters so like even his dad kind of recognized there was probably another gear he needed to hit and he didn't hit it.

Look, you know what? I was a little disappointed in the fight. And let me explain what that means. I'm not overall disappointed. In fact, I thought what Spence turned in was, like you, it's like, God, man, this guy can box his ass off. I thought his jab was on point.

I thought that, you know, he took a couple of rounds off a little bit in the latter third, but then ended strong. He was able to beat, for the most part, Danny Garcia in open space. He was backing Garcia up against the ropes. He was lighting him on fire. He did great work in this fight.

The thing that kind of, when I was, after the fight was over, I didn't have a sense of fulfillment on this one, BC. And I'm trying to, like, examine why. And just because I feel that way doesn't mean that anyone else should. I'm just trying to explain my reasoning here. It was that, what was the story in this fight? If Errol had never been in a car accident, right, you would have said when they made the Spence-Garcia fight,

there's not a doubt in your mind that Spence is going to do basically everything that he did. And I don't think asking questions about the car accident were unfounded because we all saw the security footage of the Porsche going ass over tea kettle a number of times. You know, this is a very traumatic event. But as we discussed on Friday, I believe, it was like, were it not for the wreck, one, you would never ask questions about whether spence

would do well and two it wasn't like you ever saw any footage of him doing rehab in in any kind of facility for his neck or his back or his ankle or his knee or anything he was more or less able to walk away from that and so you're like okay i'm not saying that those questions are irrelevant but the way in which they were blown up to create doubt, in the end, it kind of turned me off. And listen, when I say blown up, we're part of that. This is not me casting blame on anybody else. It's me saying we were participants in this.

In the end, this fight was exactly, I mean exactly, what you thought it was going to be. And the thing that I feel like a little bit is missing for me is, not that Spence didn't perform masterfully, but but one there was no real mystery or intrigue about it two three rounds in you're like oh right this is how it's going to go and then at the end these two between Crawford and Spence I understand Spence winning he has a well hold save that save that Luke okay with all due respect let me just counter you quickly maybe the womp womp feeling in the end was that even though it was competitive, and I thought it was entertaining, a fun fight, not a fight you're going to rewatch,

not an all-action classic, a tactical, high-level boxing match between guys who can hit hard and sometimes did. So I clearly understand if your takeaway is, you know what, it didn't really thrill me. It didn't. It was more of a showcase of one guy against a very tough you know tree stump of a guy in Danny Garcia but the whole idea that this was exactly what we thought womp womp well look if that accident never happened I actually would have made the same prediction which was eight rounds to four for Spence and I think we would have played up more that Sean Porter and Spence's

last fight really showed him different angles and pushed him and made it a split decision now i think the best thing spence did outside of answering the huge questions about the physical and mental side of the accident was kind of prove the statement he told me on morning combat was true that porter fight was super close in some ways because he wanted it to be he came out there looking for a knockout not listening to his corner not not boxing. Just like in the Mikey Garcia fight, he purposely boxed boring to try to make a different kind of statement. I don't know if you like the statements he's making or not, but when he commits to them, they're pretty damn good.

It just turned out that miraculously almost he was not like completely fine, but better than that, than what we thought coming off the exit. And I don't think you can be that quick Luke to just be like, well, maybe we played a hand in building it up. Fighters are never the same, Luke, off of things that seem insignificant sometimes in their personal life. This was a monster thing. He almost lost his life. I think personally the fact that he doesn't remember.

The crash was bad. But in terms of the physical injuries he sustained, he did not almost lose his life. That's not true. And this is my point well it was okay it was miraculous that he walked away with just missing teeth yes right that's miraculous i do i personally think the fact that he doesn't remember anything from the crash or that night or the three weeks that followed in which he was conscious in a hospital recovering i actually think that helped him luke There's not as much of a gun shyness to almost losing your life and all that. It almost probably feels a little bit like a dream to him, a bad dream, a nightmare,

but one that changed him forever, hopefully, and taught him a big lesson. So I don't think we contributed to anything wrong narrative-wise. I think he just exceeded expectations, to be all damn honest with you. And again, there's a small argument to make that Danny Garcia at the highest level is tough as nails but is he a bit of a front runner meaning if he is not in control of the fight can he rally back the only time I really ever saw him rally back and make it close again was the Keith Thurman fight when he scared Thurman into boxing by showcasing

his power against Spence you don't get that luxury because he's so great so Luke that's the only issue I think you could take is well I thought it would be maybe a little bit more exciting I thought it was entertaining and tactical but exciting is not excited the misunderstanding my argument I'm not claiming I wasn't sufficiently entertained because they didn't open up more I don't mind a a classic battle in fact there was a lot more sort of slugging going on at the same time on the mma side of things between vittoria and hermanson which we'll get to here in just a moment um so if i wanted more action i could have just sort of like turned to my computer on my other side of my table

i was more invested in this because i thought it was the bigger fight i was more interested i think the thing i'm feeling is maybe it's just a function of whatever expectation you have you had a certain set of expectations I had a different set I think they were somewhat overlapping but it seems like materially different in the end because to me he did everything I thought he could have done and was going to do and I felt like I'm not gonna say the media hoodwinked people that's just that's overselling it but I kind of felt like the reason that the fight had intrigue was very much oversold, that this was a fight you could have sort of set your watch to and the bus

just shows up on time on the route that it's supposed to show on. And then it goes off and we're supposed to say, wow, wasn't that dramatic? Well, yes, he is a very, very, if not the best fighter on the planet, maybe the best fighter in that weight class, certainly one of the best fighters in boxing today. But that's sort of what I expect from the best fighters in boxing i expect them to do exactly what he did and i don't know i just would you're to me that was to me it was just like it was exact it was formulaic everything kind of played out the way that it was supposed to without any drama without

any intrigue but don't forget to praise him seriously for recovering the way he did and almost being better for it. He's amazing. He's amazing. Is any part of your want-want feeling the fact that you could argue this shouldn't have been a pay-per-view, even if it does $300,000, $400,000? Look, Thurman fought Porter on CBS, right? Garcia fought Thurman on CBS, and they did monster numbers. If boxing, if the financial landscape was a little bit different

maybe this should have been a spectacular showcase showtime or hbo or live on fox fight and not a you know 74 95 if that is your argument i get it i totally get it if that's part of it i hadn't i hadn't thought of it necessarily on those terms but that could be that like oh i had to pay for this too. I don't know. Listen, it wasn't a bad fight. It was not a bad fight. And Spence is amazing. But it takes me now to point two, which is, here's the thing that also annoyed

me about this fight, BC. Would love to get your take on this, which is, Spence looked amazing. We were coming off the Crawford win. He looked amazing over Kell Brook, right? Everybody and their brother is saying this is the fight to make. Now, what's interesting about it is Bud Crawford was in attendance, not a mask on him, so he's going to get the Rona probably before too long.

I mean, I hope not, but, you know. Well, I'm not wishing it on him, but Jesus Christ. Here's my point. Both guys kind of dance around the idea that they want it, and I don't think either guy is afraid of it, BC. I think that's ridiculous. But do I really think that they want it. And I don't think either guy is afraid of it, BC. I think that's ridiculous. But do I really think that they want it? Spence is asked after he wins, and I know it's been a tumultuous time and the champ can say whatever he wants because he's a champ, but he gets asked about it and he's really noncommittal about who's next. Crawford's there,

but he's kind of doing a little bit of bullshitting. The most thing he did was just going to answer hecklers in his face. I'm not convinced either of these guys want it if they don't really want it well shit or get off the pot man because there's a big part of me that believes listen they do it but it really is not their preference that's really what i believe these days all right let me let me tell you some truths here both guys want it bad both guys understand the limitations in the sport right now and i'm not saying this to excuse the sport if you're a fan and you paid and watch this fight and you're like why the hell are we not getting spence crawford next yeah join the club these are the things that are wrong about boxing in the moment what i don't like is the people that get that and live in this world and then go out and

write the column saying if they don't fight next you know boxing is dead it's like well no this is sort of par for the course we live in this here's the good news we're probably going to get spence crawford in the next year and a half why because crawford's got one fight left on the top rank deal if this was a different world and setup meaning remember 10 15 years ago hbo was number one showtime's in the game but hbo was sort of your number one pay-per-view at the moment. And it was looked at as sort of, as Showtime was, as like any promoter can come on the network. So it's a journalist safe zone, meaning after the fight, if Terrence Crawford is in the crowd, he's probably going to be welcomed into the ring and we're going to have him and Spence go face to face and get you fired up for the future.

Well, we didn't see it this time. Why? In some ways because boxing's promotional and financial status right now is a little bit where the networks are almost acting as promoters and everyone's linked to whomever. But the reason why this isn't all awful news is we see the light at the end of the tunnel. Crawford's got one fight left, reportedly, with Top Rank in a deal that runs through next October. Both Crawford and Top Rank are swearing each other out publicly

and basically telling you it's over. So if you are PBC, Fox, Al Heyman, and you want Crawford to come in and face your big guys and be part of your team, but the deal's not signed, right? You're not going to go out of your way to sort of force a commercial for something and give leverage to somebody that has none at the moment i'm not saying this is like great you know but this is the reality of it all spence's best two options next are pacquiao and crawford crawford's not going to happen until he's out of

his deal and pacquiao is now a free agent he was with pbc for two fights he's a free agent now um i think this is just my 10 cents here two cents to 10 cents whatever you got nickel and dime me that spence purposely didn't mention either guy's name maybe i'm not saying al hayman picked up the phone but i am kind of saying al hayman picked up the phone and they had a conversation why because you're giving leverage to them to a certain degree at the table by mentioning them and saying you want them next i bet you errol spence al hayman pbc they're all gonna have a meeting pretty soon and the names that'll be on there is thurman can we i'm sorry uh crawford can we do it well not yet pacquiao well let's talk to his people and if not how about we get keith thurman in a comeback fight in the uh you know

the big early part of 2021 and how about we do thurman Spence next summer and if that's the plan Luke knowing that Crawford's next we can all sit down for a second relax boxing's not perfect the best don't always face the best we had to wait five and a half years for Mayweather Pacquiao for a bunch of really shitty reasons okay this is not necessarily that we're gonna get Spence Crawford it's gonna be the biggest fight of this era it's gonna be Leonard versus Hearns of this welterweight dynasty. It is going to be everything we want and need, but you've got to understand how the game works. And in the game right now, Crawford's still there,

and he's got one more fight. I don't like that Spence didn't mention their names, but I get it at the end of the day. I get it. There's a point you're making that as well. You describe the gears and how they work in boxing in a very, very important way. It's illuminating every time you talk, and I certainly take it all very seriously.

Take as an example, Tyson Fury fights for top rank Bob Arum, and here you have, on the other side, Anthony Joshua, who is, by the way, fighting this weekend. We'll preview the fight at the end of the week to get you guys ready for it. Here's the point I'm trying to make, BC. Even, I think, this weekend, or maybe even today or yesterday, Tyson Fury was out there taunting Anthony Joshua on Twitter, getting after him. He won't stop bringing up his name. And I understand you're going to tell me the mechanics of that

are very different than the one between Spence and Crawford. Fair enough. They are absolutely not identical. But some of the same impediments, many of the same impediments, including some of the bigger ones between them, are in play in very similar kinds of ways. Fury doesn't care. He makes it very clear what he wants. He does not mind giving leverage to his opponent. He does not mind it in the end.

And he does seemingly, at least in terms of a public campaign, he does much more to get the fights made. Now, will that be successful in the end up to in the end it's up to joshua he has to be a partner in this as well i don't know but there's a certain amount of additional restraint that these guys go through that is just so off putting that at least someone like tyson fury he doesn't do that to the public and i feel like there should be some acknowledgement i I'll validate what you say. And I will say this.

I would rather live in a world where both Spence and Crawford, after each fight, come out in the mic and say, I don't care how it happens, but I need to fight that other guy next. So, hey, promoter, make it happen. And look, credit to Crawford. He did that last fight. He had Bob Arum next to him and he said, talk to this guy. We need to make this fight happen. So that's good.

Again, would I have liked Spence to come out? Yes, and use those words. But also, Luke, he gets where he's at. He knows they have to come to him now. So he kind of sat back and said, yep, going back to the ranch, going to buy some horses, going to be with my family, and we'll figure out what's next. That's a message to everybody else that you're not getting 50-50 against me.

Come to the table. We'll see. Is this a fallout of the Floyd way of doing things? Maybe. But again, I mean, membership has its privileges in this wild, wild west. When you become a star, and this is now three straight A-side roles for Errol Spence in a pay-per-view, that all three were going to get sold, you know, above expectations, you're going to have that power. But yeah, Luke, I'd love the UFC setup, please. Yeah, the best are going to face the best. All I'm saying is we're going to get it. Luke, we're going to get that power. But yeah, Luke, I'd love the UFC setup, please.

Yeah, the best are going to face the best. All I'm saying is we're going to get it. Luke, we're going to get Crawford Spence. And I said this in the IA show, and I want to hear your take. No, I want to set you up, okay? I want to hold you from underneath and set you up here. I was a Spence guy in this matchup forever. And then I crossed back over into Crawford territory

because he is more dynamic than spence spence's southpaw he can do it all but crawford doesn't paint by numbers right he's he can switch stances he can create opportunities i feel like last night or saturday night was such a thorough performance i might be a spence guy again luke i'm telling you when he's able to box at that level you know the power punching's there. These two guys are old school. That's why this fight's going to rule. They are old school 1980s Four Kings. They want to go in there and fight, Luke.

I got Spence right now by a hair. Where do you stand in this great matchup, which I think we will get in the first quarter of 2022? This is BC talking. I mean, you know, another October from now is a long time. I mean, you're sort of making it have to be like not that big a deal.

And maybe in the end it won't be, but at the moment we say this, it feels like a long time, which is why I'm like, why can't Crawford buy out his deal? But okay, different conversation for a different time. My feeling watching Spence on Saturday

is that overall, if the fight went the distance, Spence might win more rounds, but he might get dropped a couple of times. Crawford would do what Danny Garcia did, only better. There'd be times where you see Crawford lay back and he's really kind of sort of thinking about it and setting it up, but Danny never really got out of that. Crawford would then make some adjustments and some switches, perhaps some substantive ones, stances, you know, whatever. And dude, that hook he hit Kell Brook with,

the timing on that, the little window in which he found a thudding punch to go through, Garcia doesn't have that. He doesn't have it nearly the same kind of way. So to me, if Spence wants to be more active and to take the lead, he would win the majority of the round. But the question is, how many times would he get dropped along the way?

What would that do to the scoring? And if anyone's going to stop anyone in that contest, Crawford's going to stop Spence. Spence is not going to stop Crawford. So, dude, it's a hell of a fight if they end up fucking making it. Or they're going to be 40, and you're going to be telling me in six years, BC. No, they're not. BC, it's going to be six, seven years from now. Crawford's going to be 40 years old, and you're going like dude buy the exhibition it's eight rounds two minutes sure they didn't

fight their pride but this is the chance to be the referee uh quickly let's just talk real quick uh because you know some people got into my comment section we're like how could you say spence is a better resume than crawford right now? Let's wake the F up, guys. First of all, I'm talking Welterweight, not 140, where yes, let's give Crawford credit. He brought all four titles together. At Welterweight, though, what the hell are we talking about? Here's who Spence is freaking beat. Mikey Garcia, Danny Garcia, Lamont Peterson, Sean Porter.

I mean, come on. Like, this is getting ridiculous. This guy's putting together a resume of this era that matters. Crawford's not there at welterweight. So Porter's in the driver's chair. He'll get the 60 against the 40, Luke, and he'll deserve it. Listen, we've done 47 minutes straight on boxing before our audience rebelled. We just lost our whole audience, Luke.

We just lost everyone. They have tapped out MMA style. So let's switch things up. Let's go to point number three if we can here and let's get into the ufc side of things it was the uh ufc covet 16 where a bunch of changes happened to this card which we'll talk about a little bit later but for right now let's talk about that amazing main event marvin vittori bc and we talked about it on friday i think i was the one that said it where you agreed to where we were like you you know, Hermanson

has done amazing things, but you know, maybe Vittori has been kind of overlooked in his career and I'm waiting for him to take a big step up. Well, that is exactly what this guy did. He wins in the main event, UFC Vegas 16 BC. What did Marvin Vittori prove to you on Saturday? Well, first, I just want to say that both guys proved to me that they're of a special elk. Cause they went out there for five rounds in a similar manner to what Dustin Poirier and,

uh, the, the damn, the damn CKB guy, you know, I'm talking about the white guy. Oh, Dan Hooker.

The way that Hooker and Poirier just empty the tank for five rounds in an important title positioning fight reminded me of how these two guys fought on Saturday. I was humbled. It was such a fun and an increasingly brutal fight. But yes, Vittori made a massive leap forward. Luke, out of everything he showed there, and it was a lot, right? Good ground game, increased striking in terms of just the swiftness and the setup of his punches and combinations where we just kind of,

or at least I, in my head, thought of him as more of just a plodding guy who walks you down. But most importantly, the pace and the cardio. Look, it's a leap, Luke. When you are somebody who can knock dudes out and you look pretty good, well, what are you going to do going five rounds with the champ? This is why I do like the five-round main event of the fight night cards. It doesn't work in every matchup and sometimes it really exposes somebody, but it also really can show you

if someone's ready. Marvin Vittori was ready because he had to go through hell. He had to take some stiff ass shots and I don't want to discount the balls on Hermanson to fight through all the things he did and we saw the picture of him in the hospital afterwards, but Vittori 1000% showed you that he is a legitimate title contender uh not right away he's calling

out afterwards paulo costa and i got a hard on from here to to uh you know cincinnati getting fired up for the idea of what that would look like luke but uh yeah um this guy look these are the fights that show you that and um there's another level to get to, which is would we actually believe he can win the championship? And he's got to beat the guy next in line to get there. But he crossed that first hurdle. He's of that ilk to contend for one. And I'm happy to see that for a guy who's had a lot of ups and downs

the last couple of years and had a lot of trouble getting in there. And him with the completely shaved head, he looks like an absolute freaking psycho. In fact, Luke, I don't mean to to be disrespectful but he looks like the damn ogre from uh goonies at a chunk you know when he's all bloody and the teeth and stuff but uh shout out great performance uh he reminded me of uh tom hardy's in this movie where he plays a dude in prison who's got a bald head with like a total cockney accent i forget the name of the movie but he reminded butcher or something i forget i was dead wrong it's not chunk who's the damn ogre and goonies

what's the guy's name before i get another dead wrong put on me i thought it was or was uh was chunk the fat kid chunk was the fact hey you guys yeah that guy yeah okay thank you all right well here's the point sloth there we go sloth. Sloth. Sloth and the Goonies. That's right. You see, people don't realize this, and I didn't realize it either until I looked it up. Marvin Vittori first fought in the UFC when he was 23 years old. 23. He's only 27 now.

He is younger, I believe. I might get dead wrong for this, but I believe he's either the same age or even a little bit younger than Adesanya was when Adesanya fought Vittori. I mean, he's very, very young. And he came into the UFC and he beat a couple of guys who were no longer in the organization. He had to draw on a couple of losses along the way. But we talked about this with Jan Blachowicz, who was a little bit more senior in age by the time he made it to the organization. But listen, sometimes when you make the jump to the big show, whether by age or by development or a combination of the two, maybe you're not quite, you're good enough to be there,

but not necessarily to stand out. And he gave Adesanya a pretty tough fight. But what it goes to show is from 23 to 27, you're going to make, if you are actually pretty talented, and he is, you're going to make big leaps. You're going to make big jumps. You're going to make big improvements. And I don't think the UFC necessarily match made him wrong,

given what he had showed, which was some ability but some limits as well. But now it's pretty clear that he and Rafael Cordero have really put in the work over these years and put in the time. Dude, that's a guy that's going to probably jump into the top five of middleweight. He was at 12 before the contest. What a signature win by him a signature performance and you know he has this bit of a meathead reputation and maybe he is but when he fights he's got at least in this particular occasion he had patience he had strategy that was involved he had execution

about to his strengths and you know working on the things that he was supposed to in terms of his defense responsibility there for the most part although those two kind of went at it in the end. I mean, it was such a really mature performance from him. That's the thing I want folks to take away. It's like, how good is Vittori's upside? Do we have it even scratched the surface? The guy is still maturing, but this was the first real moment that he rounded a big corner in his career and beat a real opponent.

And by the way, credit to Jack Hermanson, who had a broken foot and a broken face and still took at least one round on the judges' scorecards after being 10-8-ed in the first round. It may have taken even two rounds, depending on your individual scorecard. What hustle and grit and determination from him as well. Had some trouble with the single leg, but whatever.

Outback Jack landed some bombs toward the tail end of that fight. I mean, he was never really out of it. So you give him credit. But to double down on what you just said right there, let's not forget that Vittori took this fight on last-minute notice, was supposed to be fighting Jacare in a couple weeks. So, wow, this was UFC fight night COVID-16 for sure. And we almost saw Floyd versus Logan Paul pushed up to this card

just to make sure they had enough fights on there, Luke. It also is breeding opportunity. We saw that in Justin Gaethje. We've seen that in the three or four fighters who have jumped off and fought four or five times this year, the Kamzats and Kevin Holland and all those guys. But we're seeing it now in Vittori to be able to take advantage of the opportunity and then be better than we thought he could be.

And, God, I mean, Hermansen had won, what, six of seven coming in? That was a tough, remember that little gross bag with the two huevos in it and the gross liquid that you, you couldn't pay me $4 million to shoot that liquid, Luke. That represents what both guys brought to the table. You love to see that, Luke.

You love to see people rise to the occasion. I don't know what you give somebody when they lose a fight and put that much into it. I mean, did you see that video that's lingering, Luke, that UFC put together of the fallout of the Poirier-Hooker fight? And they showed how badly damaged both guys were backstage afterwards.

They had just fought the fights of their lives. And you're like, man, don't even tell me what Dan Hooker made for that fight because it was not enough. Don't tell what uh what this guy Jack Hermanson made either because uh I don't know how you live with yourself when you put it all on the freaking line like that and don't get the win but it was for our pleasure Luke and thank you to both guys lastly he wanted Marvin Vittori in a post-fight speech that was largely blurred out and covered up because of all the F-bombs. Still, it was spirited.

He wants Paulo Costa, BC. How did you go wrong with that one? Marvin Vittori taking on Paulo Costa. We talk about Marvin Vittori. He's interesting, right? He's still getting his strengths. You know, he's building brick by brick. But what is he really good at?

Strong, sturdy, good good fundamentals now more patient holy jesus bc how do you not love that call out dude and i don't know how he has this level of patience which you rightly uh you know affirmed him for remember we saw him in the hotel lobby earlier this year when his opponent couldn't make weight and pulled out he almost killed the man but yeah uh this is the i mean there's the ultimate test and you have to believe that if they make this fight paulo costa has a lot of explaining to do about himself after that that uh that egg he laid against uh adesanya so this is great and you know what's great about being opportunistic and getting this chance for vittoria is having the storyline with adesanya

is going to help him get there faster luke it's going to help making that rematch easier for the matchmakers. And maybe it's rightfully so for him knowing how hard of a road he's had to get back here and get back into contention. Got to keep winning. Being a guy like Costa, good Lord is not, you know, good.

That's not an easy night at the office for anybody, but if he does it, Luke, there'd be nothing stopping him from getting that out of Sonia title. Unless out of Sonia completely leaves the division. So yes, yes, there'd be nothing stopping him from getting that Adesanya title unless Adesanya completely leaves the division. So yes, yes, yes. All right. Point number four.

Speaking of the middleweight division, BC, point number four. Let's go to it now. Yoel Romero has been released by the UFC. I cannot get any clarity on whether he asked for it or not. But either way, they have parted ways. And in fact, he had three fights left on his deal. The initial news was reported by ESPN's Ariel Helwani. Okay, BC, let's go to you on this one.

Was this the right call for both fighter and promoter or just the right call for one of them? How do you view this news? I'm shocked. Let me first just sit in this puddle. I'm shocked, absolutely, that this would happen. Luke, does this signal, because we did see Dana white sort of say there'd be more to come for,

for a guy who a promoter who works so hard to get the, you know, train back on the tracks this year. And I, again, I'll give the UFC credit for days for what they pulled off. There was a lot of like, well,

nobody lost their job. Well, are we going to see a big round of layoffs here? Because if this is the first sort of first giant domino to fall um this is a surprising one now would it make sense from the idea of here's a guy who's older the window is closing even though he's a freak of nature and he's not slowing down he probably demands a higher you know amount of money than a younger guy coming in and we know dana loves the contender guys because they don't make anything and they fight their balls off so maybe it makes more sense long-term strategic

financially than we realize if it's followed by a bunch of similar aging names like i don't think chris weidman's gonna get let go but let's say chris weidman got let go after this you'd be like oh my god they are really like shogun right You'd be like, they are really looking to clean house and get the higher-priced guys who aren't as valuable anymore off of the ledger. Then it would make a lot more sense. But if this turns out to be just a one-off, Luke, it's weird. Look, I never thought UFC would let Corey Anderson go, who didn't bring them a lot of financial upside,

but they kind of let him go easy and said, yeah, go ahead, go to Bellator. We don't think you can sell anyway. Romero makes fun fights, Luke. I some you know a little bit of baggage with that with missing weight a lot and you know he didn't fight so aggressively against adesanya but uh this is really weird to me and it really begs the discussion now of where does he go because that window may be small but that window is going to be freaking explosive i think this is a big pickup for anybody lu Luke, whoever goes after him. I don't know what to make of this news in terms of what it means for you.

Well, Dana White said the guy had lost four or five or something like that. And if you look at it, he had lost to the current champion. He'd lost twice to the previous champion and he'd lost the number one contender. Now I thought he beat the number one contender in Paulo Costa. And I thought he beat Whitaker at least one of those times um i've never seen him lose a decision i've never seen it right exactly right i know what you mean so listen but the record shows what the record shows he's 44 years old and he probably does command a bit of a higher price tag than the you know another fighter with some kind of a sort of a similar ish record so in that sense it's not

all that surprising. And you're right. Like if they release like a Shogun or somebody a little bit longer in the tooth who's not quite done, but, you know, doesn't have their brightest days ahead of them, then maybe we'll all come to understand this a little bit better. Here is the part of the argument from folks who are worried about this that I'm not saying it's wrong because I don't know that it's wrong. But I'm skeptical about it being right,

which is, oh, what the UFC is doing is getting rid of these expensive guys who are still good and might be fan favorites, and they're going to replace them with a bunch of Contender Series guys in hopes no one notices. Well, to some extent, there probably is a little bit of truth to that no matter what. There is necessary turnover. The Contender Series has been really the UFC's main method of signing folks because regional MMA has ground to a near, not complete, but near halt.

So yeah, like there's going to be a lot of that used as a mechanism for even natural turnover in that sense. I think that's probably quite fair. On the other hand, BC, one, there are about 500 NBA players total. There are almost 700 UFC fighters. The UFC does not need more fighters than the NBA has players. Number one, number two, am I really supposed to believe by most estimates that let me back up a step by most estimates, the UFC has around 80, 85, sometimes 90%. You know, it's always in fluctuation of the premier talent in the sport. It's been measured a few different ways, but that is generally the way that it comes out. Am I really to believe that they're going to substitute that out

for cheaper fighters and just hope no one notices? Like they're going to really give away important parts of their organization to their, if not competitors, smaller organization and change the way in which they have a grip on the industry, I'm not saying there won't be painful cuts. BC, I'm not saying there won't be surprising cuts. What I am saying is, and we'll see what happens because I don't know, I am skeptical of the idea that they're just going to give away

big parts of their roster and this will change the UFC in some way where it becomes a much more watered down version of itself. A little watering? Maybe. A lot? Yeah. I want to see what happens first. Yeah, you got to give UFC a ton of credit from the standpoint of they made the brand the strongest thing, even to this day. You know, like they're less reliant even on a McGregor with the new pay-per-view deal. The brand is the strength.

We've seen it so many times. The contender series fights are really fun. And those guys are becoming contenders seemingly out of nowhere right away be in in people are expendable luke and there are a lot of aging names who who do i mean over he makes a shit ton of money have you ever seen his guarantees luke compared to everybody else he gets like 800 grand a fight or something something huge yeah with no upside but like a solid 800 grand when his opponents are making like you know 86 000 or something so um what i'm saying is guys like that i would seem seem like in this you know this tough times and look these are tough times every company's going through this and it's not ridiculous in your company

maybe you work at you know a and w insurance that bob from accounting around the corner man he's pretty good at his job but he's like 52 years old luke and he draws a salary of like 130 000 because he's been here since the 70s we can get a kid out of college for you know a third of that and that's just the reality of life so i do think we're going to see a little bit more of that i think they're going to be strategic though they don't want to put somebody out there in the market who can instantly raise the platform of a contending promotion. But none of these names we're throwing around can, unless, Luke, if you are Scott Coker, okay? And you have said, you know, I don't really need Anderson Silva.

We're doing our own thing. And they're doing their own thing just fine, by the way. But if you are Scott Coker, do you place two phone calls right now? One to Anderson Silva, one to Yoel Romero, and the third to whoever helps you set up your pay-per-views and you go, hey, I got a tentpole idea. We're going back on pay-per-view and we're going to load that card up with our best guys. But we're going to have Andy Silva and Yoel Romero and we'll see you soon, boy. I'd be there with all the shekels, Luke. I mean, as it relates to Yoel Romero, here's the part about it that folks have to accept.

Whether you thought he won those fights that he didn't, fine. Again, I thought he should have won a couple of them, but the reality is he didn't. If you're Yoel Romero, you've lost to the champion, the former champion, and then the former number one contender. You have a path back to the title, but it's probably a very, very long one. Or you've got to change weight classes, or there's a bunch of stuff. And maybe the UFC wanted him to do it, and he wouldn't do it. So they parted ways.

We'll have to see what the story is. There's a lot about this we don't know yet, too, which is complicating the analysis of it. But if you're Yoel Romero, you're still pretty good. I think even UFC would say he's still pretty good. Dude, you can go to another organization, a Bellator, a one or whatever, and maybe you win a title, maybe you don't, but you're still going to do well. You might get a decent amount of pay in the process, something either commensurate or pretty close to it. You're going to get sponsors that will make up some of the difference or exceed it, blah, blah, blah. In other words, there's a lot of reasons why a refresh at this stage for his career,

maybe that's not what you wanted or what I wanted, but it's not the end of the world for his career more generally. So we'll just have to see how it goes there. The one thing I would say about Bellator as being an option for him, and again, he very well may go there, Corey Anderson just did, as long as they're doing Thursday night fights, I mean, my understanding is eventually that this won't be forever. I don't know when it will change, but while they're on

Thursday nights, they're going to be limited in what kind of fights they're going to put on. They're not going to put on like big expensive ones because that's not the biggest time to get the biggest audience that Saturday night is. So when they make that move to a tentpole event on a Saturday, then you might see a lot more interest in your romero's or your silva's so just pointing out belt or may or may not sign him i don't know what their plan is but a marquee fight is something that's they're not really doing right now yeah i mean they're not you're right but if they do obviously in the sense of the viacom cbs merger when you're in the same family as showtime and big cbs and there's history there for both of going there hey if you're shot tree okay do you

call up and say hey you want to fight vitor belfort yeah you could do that you could do that uh but does one really have money i don't know if they have money they say they have money but they say lots of things we'll find out in court one day luke but um i will say that uh you know if if he wanted to go into boxing you all romero let's not forget that his brother was former cruiserweight world champion Yoel Pablo Hernandez, or I'm dead wrong. I'm close. I'm close, okay? I'm close on the name.

But I wonder if he might try effing around going into the box. Sorry, look, I got Zoe the cat here, and she's clawing the crap out of me. So I'm getting cut up here worse than, yeah, all right. Hi, Zoe. Oh, Zoe's a nice cat. She's nice. She's great, but she injures me a lot, biting and scratching, okay? I'm going to take that cat back to the pound.

How's that sound? She would take Booger downtown, Luke, okay? She would scratch his eyeballs out. Just because she has a bad attitude doesn't mean she's going to beat the Brock Lesnar of cats. You understand that? Yeah, I feel like I'm on the Tonight Show and I got a snake around my forehead. This is great. All right, let's get back to real life here.

Dude, first time we picked our cat up off the street because he was all sick and it was he was in bad shape and we took him to the vet and we heard him back there just screaming bloody murder when they tried to inspect him and then the doctor came out and the doctor go the vet he goes um how do i say this kindly your cat does not respond to normal methods of control i was like okay what do you want me to do about it they're like can we sedate your animal i was like yes fine yeah uh all the nurses all the nurses got fucked up back there trying to mess with him please your cat wouldn't last around which cat was this booger yeah it was booger you don't fuck around bro what's his what's his spanish name moco moco got it got it all right last but not least point number five and then we'll Booger. You don't fuck around, bro. What's his Spanish name? Moco.

Moco. Got it. Last but not least, point number five, and then we'll move on to some other parts of the show here, BC. Any standouts? We had a lot of things going on. We had a lot of small wins. We had a lot of big wins. We had a lot of things in motion. Give me somebody who had a standout performance from the weekend. Yeah, how about

on that Spence Garcia Fox pay-per-view undercard Luke, are you woke to this? The towering Inferno six foot seven, junior middleweight, Sebastian Fundora. I gotta be honest. He looks like a praying mantis. He had been a curiosity for us.

Boxing nerds for a while showing up on undercards. He's just 22 years old, but Luke he's putting together uh a fun stretch of fights here he had a step-up fight against nathaniel gallimore last year and he knocked that dude out and that guy's a tough sort of journeyman in this division and he came in here against uh this ahmed uh something guy uh shout out to that guy but uh habib ahmed yeah. And he sent him to hell, Luke, and he looks really fluid. Now, here's the deal. When you get a freak of nature, a guy 6'7", 154 pounds,

you're really waiting for him to get folded up into a suitcase. I mean, you really are as a fan. You're like, okay. But the fluidness of his combinations and the ability, Luke, just to do what he's doing in that picture, to stand ridiculously far away from his opponent and land stiff jabs and uppercuts, if he did not have legitimate power, as we're finding out,

he would have got solved a long time ago. He's got one draw, no defeats on his record, but he is now creeping into sort of quasi, you know, top 15 contention area where he's going to have to step up big next fight, but they asked him afterwards and he wants all the big names i'm not gonna count this dude out until i finally see him end up in a samsonite and put through the x-ray machine because uh he's he's fun and he can throw and i mean look i've always been a fan of these sort of i mean diego corrales remember when he was at

featherweight good god i mean i've always you know paul williams was at welterweight for a while at six foot", or whatever. I always liked the freaks of nature, but this is an all-new reality of it. A 6'7 junior welterweight, middleweight, but it just turns out he can punch, Luke. I don't know his punch resistance. Let's see somebody get it inside on that, but for now, it's certainly a fun ride. All right, for my standout performance, that was a great one, Fundora. It looks interesting. I'm going to go with Ilya Toporia, who fought Damon Jackson on the UFC card.

Just hit him with an unbelievable rib roaster. Actually, I say liver roaster. Left hand, and then finished him off with a right hand over the top. 23 years old, black belt. He's like Spanish-Georgian. I'm not sure exactly what his entire origin story is. Trains out of MMA Masters. He is that young. He is already this good. He throws a ton of heat, aggressive, and with a

high-level camp. MMA Masters doesn't get a lot of attention as a high-level camp, but they absolutely are one. A lot of good fighters come from there, and he is already showing to be, you know what he reminds me of, BC? Early career, early WEC, UFC run, Dustin Poirier. Just absolutely coming forward, throwing hammers, good technique, not totally formed yet, but pretty good. Great on the ground, unafraid. He is very interesting. He's undefeated, 9-0, and this is his, what, second fight in UFC. Just an absolute finishing machine. All of his wins, let's see, 1, 2, 3, 4. Yeah, all of his wins come by way of stoppage except for one when he beat Yusuf Zalal.

That was it. He nearly submitted him. This guy is a hammer. Be on the lookout for him. The way that his opponent fell from that right hand, Luke, it almost looked unnatural. It almost looked like, what the hell's inside that glove? So that's power that jumps off the screen.

So I'm certainly interested in following him. And now MMA Masters, they found Amanda Nunes, right? She used to sleep in that damn gym. Correct. Correct, they did. And I think Colby Covington's down there. I'm not sure about that. But Ricardo Lamas was there for a long time.

I mean, they've had a lot of good guys and ladies come out of there. So high-level jamming. This guy is just the truth completely. All right. Those are our top five, top six comments or topics really, BC. Time now for when the donks get to ask us a question. It is time for DMs from donks. Hee-haw.

Hee-haw. Hee-haw. Hee-haw. All right, as my nose closes. Let's go to Angry Suddy. BC, why do boxers have their fathers slash family members in their corner so much more often than MMA fighters? Great question. Great question.

Maybe because the sport of MMA kind of just started still in our modern era here. And boxing's been around forever. And it's such a national cultural sport, especially in a lot of these backgrounds where you do find this in Mexico, Puerto Rico. It's just such a handed down art craft. I mean, it's weird though you know and i went through this um last week doing the nbc sports fights and doing the fighter meetings beforehand which is always uh my favorite time luke because you get to sit down no cameras with the fighter and his coach and whatever and just sort of you know try to find some interesting uh tidbits about them for the

broadcast but a lot of the times the guys that come in you know they're these mexican kids and their dad's the trainer and you've seen it to so many great effects in boxing that relationship work and you've also seen it be disastrous and i always find it interesting luke how some dads are completely like no he's got to go out there and the fight's not over till my kids killed and other dads are like you know let's let's pull them the second that they get touched it's that whole dynamic dynamic is always interesting. I think that the dads are more likely from some of the more boxing traditional backgrounds and nations to just let their son get their ass kicked.

But I don't know why we don't see that in MMA. In fact, Luke, off the top of my head, can I even name one well-known relationship in the father-son realm? The Jordan-Meehan family. Or not McKee. McKee's are one uh me and Zara another yeah okay um there are some other ones as well it's because you're right it's because it doesn't have the same kind of tradition that boxing does by virtue of partly it's a cultural thing but also it's just young that's why a lot of time I mean it's not even

just family members BC folks may not realize this but but if you watched MMA back in the early to mid-2000s, a lot of the cornermen were just fighters' other teammates, which is to say you didn't even see old dudes, like older men, 40s and 50s, in their corner. You saw other guys in their 20s and 30s because that's all that there was. There was no first generation. Now you've got a few generations, or some generations. I should say how many is up for debate. But now you've got guys who fought for a little while

and then moved into coaching, or maybe dads, or whatever. You're starting to see a little bit of that turnover. But it was just, I remember distinctly back in 2006, it was someone was cornered by someone else who was the exact same age. That's all there was. So that's the real reason right there. Let's bring in Jay Aaron real quick. Jay, you once had a run on the Ultimate Fighter with Uriah Hall

until he hit you with a spinning head kick. Did your dad corner you at all during that run? No, my dad coached all of my basketball and baseball teams under the age of 13. Great. Can we get rid of Jay, please? Can we move on? Thank you.

All right. Let's go to Liam O'Brien, BC, of all the fight posters at the Wild Card Boxing Gym. Which one is your favorite? Great question. That's a great question because while I'm in there, I do nothing but sit there and stare at all the photos and posters. I don't have a favorite right now, it's spectacular the pictures are great there's so many celebrities on the wall they

do have a lot of a really uh fun sort of old school fight posters um i wish i had a better answer for you right now luke i wish i had any answer but i do i was just there on thursday and i was staring at them all have you been to the downtown boxing club in manhattan no no so they've got all the walls plastered with posters like from all different eras um that's a fun little place to go to and train as well you know eric kelly the guy that got the pool stick in his eye and fucked him up but he's got he's like there he's like a real shitty person to like people who don't train you know he trains down there or at least he teaches down there anyway eric kelly yeah i know that guy yeah yeah uh all right from at michael underscore woes well the pay-per-view model let me answer i didn't give that guy an answer um freddie loves koto there's some really cool koto ones i saw a freaking koto mosley one and there's

a lot of koto there's there's pacquiao stuff everywhere and there's miguel kotto stuff everywhere these days, obviously, along with Freddie. There's one picture though, of Freddie Roach with really long mullet hair. I think he was working Tyson's Corner back then, like in right in the tail end of his career. That's, I would love to have it in my house. Freddie with flowing long mullet hair. It's fantastic. All right, back to you, Luke. Michael Woes asks, will the pay-per-view model that's being used for the floyd versus paul exhibition be used in the future of combat sports it's an interesting gamble isn't it bc it really is because let's be really honest i mean you can argue luke when when we did see a may pack or a may mac are those two fights so big that we would all pay 100 good god we would have

paid 200 maybe but a lot of these boxing pay-per-views are are borderline under the whole idea of should they even be a pay-per-view and certainly luke i mean god i hate i hate the idea of people having to pay 75 bucks in hd it's like yeah there there's something to be said here luke i think you could see more fights that are tough to make because they're in that middle ground between regular TV or pay-per-view where the cable provider can't, doesn't have the money to pay for it, but it would die on the vine on pay-per-view. How about putting it out there for an introductory rate of 15 bucks and seeing if you can get a million people to put down 15 bucks on that, you know, and then, then you can announce, oh my God, we've sold a million. I mean,

here's the deal. The more you announce that something is becoming popular and must see, the more other people are going to go, oh, I should check into what that's going to be all about. So the most brilliant part of it, Luke, in my eyes, is that the price automatically goes up the second they hit that one million threshold because that becomes an announcement. That becomes like an event, like two weeks out,

two weeks in and we've already hit it, guys. So if you want to see this fight you better pay now because it's only going to get more expensive like yeah that's that is so brilliant to get more money but it's also brilliant luke to potentially create a market on pay-per-view that works for the fights that have no business being 60 to 100 bucks. Yes. Listen, if you can find a clever way to still make money, maybe as much, maybe more, and find a way to lower the price point for pay-per-views, you're not only doing a great service to the consumer, but yeah, you could revolutionize the way pricing structure works. Again, will it work, BC? I have no idea. But do I applaud people trying

to do something a little bit different? Absolutely. Let's see what works. Let's see if there's a cheaper and better way to do this, and everyone can still win. That's what I'm in favor of. All right, from Ilya745, can Luke and BC recreate the dirty dancing pose moment in the documentary sequel? Is that the one where, like, no one puts Baby in the corner

and then it's this number? No, that's where she gets the running start and then Swayze lifts her up I've seen there's a lot of fail videos by the way I should bring them in to have you seen this shit of of drunken males trying that Luke you'd have to be the bottom on that though okay yeah I'd have to be the power bottom I'm at a career high in weight at the moment of uh 232 luke could you lift me yeah you'd be okay if i did if i did like uh if i did like uh if you're running start and i could you know it wasn't a strict press i could do it uh your boy is out here lifting weights almost every day so i'm trying to trying to undo the damage of the quarantine the only thing for both of us luke is you know people

want so badly for us to get to 100k because they think you and i are just gonna like stand out in the middle of like you know the okay corral and pull down our pants and go tip to tip which is just not happening but um i'd i'd kind of be teabagging you if we did this and i'm not into that you know well i'll wear a mask um you know me i love wearing masks all right All right, from Arock Paul Jr., BC. French toast, waffles, or pancakes? What do you think? That's a very fair question. I love all three. Breakfast is the, the best meal in all of food, Luke.

And nothing is better than sloppy breakfast when you're traveling, hungover, or both. So, Luke, pancakes. Pancakes are the option. Look, I mean, I love the... Well, both. So Luke, um, pancakes, pancakes are the option. Look, I mean, I love the, well, here's the thing though, Luke gourmet, we've had this discussion before gourmet chicken and waffles. This whole revolution is just, I mean, it is just incredible how good, uh, fried chicken and waffles are with just soaked in syrup. Um, but you know, without the element of chicken, I got to go pancakes. I'm a, I'm a basic pancake guy, Luke. Okay. Give me some chocolate chips, some banana inside of them. I mean, come on, you know what? Without the element of chicken, I got to go pancakes. I'm a basic pancake guy, Luke. Okay. Give me some chocolate chips, some banana inside of them. I mean, come on. If we're going to go for it, let's go for it, Luke. You know what? I have long been

a pancake guy myself, BC. French toast, I only like when it's made in certain ways, but it's very, very good. Waffles, I have certainly had much more appreciation for now than I ever did, but I've just always been loyal to pancakes. Yes, it's simple. It's a flat little thin cake and you can stack a bunch of them there. But its simplicity is its beauty BC. You can put stuff on it.

You can put stuff in it. It can be sweet. It can be cloyingly sweet depending on your perspective. I don't know. All those descriptions, all those adjectives you could say about a woman too, Luke. I think there's a connection here. Could be true. You can stack them high.

All right. Would that be C? I was going to ask. I was going to follow up, Luke, and say, do you get bacon or do you get sausage with it? I mean, both would be great, but what do you prefer? I actually do not eat pork at all. And it's not because I'm not Islamic or anything

or one of the Abrahamic religions. It's just that I'm trying to eat less meat and pigs are smarter than dogs and have sentient emotionally complex lives and I just don't believe in eating them. So, there you go. Is this extending to hot dogs, Luke?

Because I don't know if we could be friends anymore. It does extend to hot dogs. I'd make an – I mean, you know, cows have these kinds of lives too, but I'm a little bit more willing to throw the baseball glove on the truck in the words of Dennis Leary. But maybe I could have like a beef one, you know. Great reference. Thank you.

I thought you were joining Jay's tribe by saying no to bacon and sausage. You know what the only problem is? I'm more of a sausage guy than bacon at like a diner if I'm getting pancakes and it's sloppy. But I want the thin cut sausage. You know what the only problem is? I'm more of a sausage guy than bacon at like a diner if I'm getting pancakes and it's sloppy. But I want the thin cut sausage. You know those certain diners where you order the sausage and they give you Rocco Saffredi basically and you're like, I can't do this.

I don't want this. You like the sausage patty. Yeah, I'll take the patty. But you know that thick thing and there's like a tail on it and it's got skin and it's just like, no, I don't not i'm not that's like though that's like the monster dump i took before the show that thing it met all those descriptions i don't i don't do that i don't do that no no uh all right well with that in mind let's move on to uh speaking of feces bc it's time for have you seen this shit is it not yeah it's, it's time for BC's Feces. It is, yes.

The best segment in all of sports. I look forward to this segment in ways I didn't used to. I'm ready for this one today, BC. All right. We scour the globe. You know what the hell we do here. Let's do it. UFC fight night in Vegas, Luke.

We had some fun on the undercard. Fat spinny shit gone wrong. Check out Jake Collier's attempt at a spinning back elbow against bloated John Volante. This is only marginally better than how we would fight. Well, yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, let's not mistake. You know, we're allowed to make fun of people

because we are in our basements, Luke, okay? But these guys actually sign up for it. I didn't know, by the way, that Collier used to fight at middleweight and was thin. Yeah, dudeke quarantine bro quarantine hurt him up yeah tough loss or tough break in life there okay let's move on here did you see this ko with the knee from gabriel bonitas and the damage that it did to justin james's soul good lord luke dude and you know the referee is holding him like a child who fell off their tricycle and skinned their knee. Like, oh, loving and shit, you know?

Man, even he could be like, look at him holding him there like, oh, Jesus, dude. That must have been brutal to deal with. As brutal as that was, Luke, we had a worst soul taking and it took 22 seconds 37 year old matt wyman joseph gordon levin picked him up and took him to the third stone from the sun luke this is what is going on here yikes that's the meanest thing a mormon has ever done oh god wow dude what is matt wyman doing, man? Yeah, let the boys be boys. I mean, even Rosnama Yunus is like, tuck your chin, bitch.

Like, what is happening here, right? I love Matt. He had a great run in the UFC, but he came back after five years, and all the fights have just been, even the one he survived, they've just been yugly. Dude, this was 22 seconds, though. This was just bad just bad you know this wasn't like matt hughes picking up trig and running them across as we hear uh bob o'reilly playing in the background you know this was yeah all right hey let's go to the aforementioned ring city usa nbc sports main event did you see brandon adams coming out as bowser from mario kart luke god

bless this man can barely get through the ring, but you know what? I appreciate that he's the final boss on this. Love it. Yeah. Well, he, you know, if you're going to come out looking like that, you better get a knockout win, which he did. So shout out to him. But he couldn't get the damn shell off.

He needed referee Jack Reese to help him. It was a near wardrobe malfunction, Luke. So that almost blew the gimmick. But shout out to Brandon Adams. Just the same. Let's roll on here, Luke, from Miami. We had a boxing card, Uniesky Gonzalez, his opponent, the guy in the white shorts came in 14 pounds overweight for their light heavyweight bout Luke 14 pounds, 14. He didn't come in 14 pounds heavy BC. He came in at heavyweight. Let me just, just say it. He didn't like, he came in at heavyweight. Yeah. Let me just say it.

He came in at heavyweight for a fight three weight classes below. The guy's name is Alex Theran, and yes, he got sent to hell by Uniesky. Shout out there in Miami. Oh, wow. Okay. Hey, really weird shit went down, Luke, at the Fame MMA 8 card. I don't know this lady's name, but I love it. What is happening here, Luke?

Let me guess. Some Slavic country this is taking place in? I don't know, but I think we need to be there. I mean, what is happening here? There's live women. There's blown-up women. There's roses. Yeah.

All right. MMA is weird. It's a weird sport with weird people. All right. Best head kicks of the week time, Luke. Let's go to Cage Fury FC. Check out Paris Artist. Oh, God.

Forget Paris. Wow. Yikes. Oh, my God. Please. They're sending the surgeon. You see that guy? That wasn't a ringside doctor.

That was a damn surgeon he came in in scrubs we're gonna operate on right there whoa hold that yep all right let's go over to one championship there's a fellow named bokang masunian and he's little but this pocket rocket can get you out of there luke watch this oh yeah wow from south africa i think he might be in the remake of the wizard of oz look but this is great wow yeah all right jesus let's go over to a k1 wgp kickboxing and our fella and poo rukia with a switch kick head kick KO, Luke, that defies description, brother. Jumping switch kick, no less.

Oh, and did he testify in church? Blah, blah. Whew. I mean, that's some walking Buckley shit right there, right? That's great. Wow. That's amazing. All right, yeah.

All right, let's head back to glory kickboxing here. You know what, Luke, for all the differences between us, men and women really aren't all that different at the end. Here's a kick to the taco, Luke. And it's, it stings, bro. It's still, it still stings. I'll tell you that much. Did you call it a taco?

Really? Is that what we're calling it now? I mean, well, it's not Tuesday, but yeah, I mean, I'm trying to be safe. Luke trying to be safer. Okay. That is a wow. Yeah. Woo.

Okay. Do you know what, do you know what? I forget what the word is in Spanish. You know what they call it here? Cause you know, we have to clean my daughter when, you know, she takes a dump in her pants. They, you know, they, they call it the clam. Yeah, I know. It's gross.

I mean, yeah. Okay. All right, Lukeke let's go over to uh the subway tracks this is death defying here this is impressive is this an ollie whoa luke why wasn't the train there to hit him it takes a lot of balls to pull that off i'm i got respect for this this is just goes to show you how long you have to wait for the train in New York City. That guy is, you know what? I tell you what. Antifa can skateboard. I'll give Antifa that.

Yeah. Yeah. He'll be occupying Wall Street after this trick. It's great, Luke. All right. Let's go on. Hey, Luke, you ever hear the term fire crotch? We got a new meaning thanks to this gentleman.

Check this out. So it's like a trick, right right it's like a party trick so he shoots it through his this is how he trims his pubes the problem is luke you can get a little on you and then it gets hard to get that that shit off look you know i doubt he was working with Lex, the impaler situations. Oh Jesus. Well, he looks, uh, he looks,

uh, Polynesian, but he now has the Irish curse. Just the same. All right. Hey, street fight of the week time. Luke,

let's go down to Sydney, Australia down under. Look at this little road rage incident here. This is fun. Watch this channel nine news, picking it up. Shout out to all our Aussie fans down there in Oz. I'm waiting.

Yeah, we'll play normal situation now. Cutting over here. What I love about it, Luke, is you'll find out is this goes from 0 to 60. I mean, this goes from I cut you off to it's on, like Donkey Kong. Okay, it's on. Put the parking brake on. We're going to throw here, Luke. All right, it gets out of the vehicle.

Get out of your Honda Civic there. Oh, look at this, Luke. Look at this. They're in traffic. Is this how Aussies do democracy? Hey, their COVID numbers are spectacular right now. I will say that. Do they have less than 50 in the whole country?

I'll never forget, Luke. We cut senior year in high school we cut class and we drove to the basketball hall of fame and we had 40s in the car and we were listening to dennis larry's no cure for cancer followed by led zeppelin one on cd and as we're driving on 991 in mass huge fight two guys pull over just like this start brawling guys got a guy in a in a guillotine it was fed when you're like 17 it's fantastic luke all right i have a friend who's uh who's very little he's like 5'3 he weighs like 120 he used to flip off everyone on traffic and then one day we were this was we were in georgia and he flipped off this giant redneck in his huge car and then the redneck dude clearly wanted to fight like you know it was honking the horn and shit and uh so my friend an absolute i mean you know you should have been honking the horn and you

definitely shouldn't fight him but like i you know what are you supposed to do at that point for him well here was his genius idea he just drove to the police station he thought that would be that plenty of cover Yeah, I do support that. All right. Hey, let's head over to the UK, Luke. They get a little crazy there. They like street fights, okay? We got another, you know, fender bender, some guys talking trash. See, you got to be careful, Luke.

You never know who's hiding. Who's hiding a little bit of like a K1 background or some shoot the box, right? Hands down. First person to throw is going to, oh, wait, oh, bop. Two piece. Oh, look at the shirtless guy. Shirtless guy's got, if you got a ponytail First person to throw is going to win. Oh, wait. Oh, bop. Two-piece. Oh, look at the shirtless guy. Shirtless guy's got it. If you've got a ponytail and no shirt and you want to fight in the street, you're going to win.

That's sort of the unwritten rules. Oh, but he gets the treetop. Rich Cronkleton misses with a takedown. Bah! Oh! I don't know if you can hear the audio there, Luke, but he hit hard. No, I cannot hear the audio. Jay does a bad job as a producer.

Thank you for coming. All right. Hey, let's head out to the streets again. You know a great way to break up a street fight, Luke, if one of your friends is into it? How about a flying dropkick, Luke? K-O-1. Check that out.

That's great. That's a guy who definitely has your back. Like, you can't accuse that friend of not doing enough you know no no no like you could have used more friends like that when you were wearing a wife beater on the uh dc club streets and you're the worst street fight i was ever in uh in terms of just how big it got and like how out of out of control one of our friends there was four of us but only three of us ended up throwing any hands. The fourth saw what was going down, and I'm not exaggerating. This was in Adams Morgan, so if you're from D.C., you'll get this reference.

He looked around and was like, man, fuck this, and went to the jumbo slice and got a giant slice of pizza to then come back when the fight was over and just enjoy his slice of pie. We were all pretty mad at him for that. Yeah, that's a very Jay Aaron move, despite his kickboxing background there at Tiger Schulman. Yeah, all right. Hey, Luke, let's score one for Corona masks.

I know people don't want to wear them. Dr. Luke Fauci gets upset. Check out this cashier. Luke, he got a little on him there, but if he didn't have the Corona mask, he would have been drinking that beer, right? What is that? Is that a beer? Yeah, the guy drops the beer, the-pack out and it just it just shoots it

right in his face see that's how that's how i'm gonna dude that's how i'm gonna pee the first time i come to your house i'm going to just indiscriminately mark my territory all over your asylum um so you see that how the the calmness of thatier, I feel like he's been in this spot before, Luke, right? He's like, at least it's not piss. All right. Hey, speaking of explosive chugging, check out this weirdo, Luke. I don't know. See, this is where the craft beer revolution goes a little bit too far for me.

When it's coming out this thick, I don't know. That is fucking gross. Yeah. Dude, this was like Jeff Wagenheim in his thirties. Right? Actually, that could be Jeff Wagenheim on Friday night. If you head up there to North Adams. I mean, come on. What is he drinking?

Do we even know? What is that? I don't know. I don't know. But well done to that guy. All right. Hey, let's keep it going. Luke, let's get into some gym etiquette here.

What the hell is this guy trying to prove? I could see you trying this, Luke. I mean, what are you doing? So he has a weighted dip belt. He has the bar over his head. It's called a safety squat bar. And then he's deadlifting conventional on top of it, which is the bar over the back of his neck. It actually makes you lean a little bit forward.

So he's able to lean back a little bit with the deadlift. And then the thing around his waist, I mean, this guy is just an absolute idiot in the most glorious of ways. Cool story, bro. I'm glad you attached that 45 to your bag and you're lifting it up. I mean, yeah, all right. Hey, at least you won't have a saggy one, Luke,

like we all struggle with at this age. Right, Luke? Like the mozzarella cheese on a piece of pizza that's being pulled away from the pie, my friend. Oh, gross. All right. Hey, let's get into one. I got one weightlifting fail for you.

Check out this hero. Okay, so that was a jerk. He tries to do it. Yeah, he is. He sure is. He's trying to do a behind-the-head split jerk, and ooh, he fucked that one up. Yep, yep.

See, that'll teach you just not to. Don't get in shape. Just get some edibles. Get a record player. Dude, don't do. I always you just not to don't get in shape just you know get some edibles get a record player don't do i always tell some folks don't do olympic lifts the shit is mad technical if you don't have a trainer you're gonna end up like uh tristan here yeah all right it's a tip to tip time luke did you see this uh brazilian soccer star ronaldinho posted a photo of him and mike tyson They're almost there. Just touch them. Just touch the tips, right, Luke? That is so funny.

Ronaldinho. Who could take more money from a dictator than Ronaldinho? I don't know. Yeah. Well, let's check out Ramzan Kiyondram's clientele list. Maybe we can rival that. He's on it. Hey, AEW star and bellator heavyweight uh jake hager formerly jack swagger almost went t on t with uh mjf maxwell jacob friedman you into this luke you know i'm not

into this all right uh luke i would do anything for love but i won't do this next move to a male friend this goes a little bit too far, Luke, okay? That's not, I mean, if you're dating, okay. If not, I don't know, right? No, that's all right. All right, all right. You know what's not all right is, hold on a second, hold on a second, leave it there.

Look at the visor on this winner on the right. Luke, it may not surprise you, but I used to wear a visor like that in like 2000. Yeah, I know with it too listen in 2000 it was stupid then but it was more popular now i like girls who wear abercrombie and fitch right you know i mean this dude definitely lives at home with his parents there's no denying luke you're a drunk guy of the week here he is luke we've all been to the atm we've all been to the ATM. We've all been to the ATM while drunk. But I don't know if we had this happen.

This guy could have used the Corona mask. Jay, hit the button. There you go. All right. All right. We're having issues here, Luke. We're struggling. Mention you're that old guy behind him watching.

You're just like, what the hell oh yeah that is great luke that is it's like dude you won what's the challenge where you take the bottle and you flip it and then it lands on you know upright and you win the challenge it's like the bottle throwing challenge this dude won man you know what i've never been this drunk i mean i've been drunk where i've passed out and stuff but like these dudes who can walk around like zombies where they're like there you always feel like if you had one more drink they would completely fall over but they don't and so they try to like

move through society normally and they end up doing shit like this have you ever been that drunk yeah yeah in fact yes Luke in fact I have alright I've been thrown out of many a club for dancing inappropriately on the dance floor while this drunk. Okay, Luke.

All right. Thank you very much. Let's move on to our last clip of the week. Luke, which one of these? I texted you this morning. Which one of these three, Luke? Whoever's rolling with these dudes ain't coming home, according to the picture. Luke, which one would you wear in public if you had to?

The Ray Lewis one. I mean, I'm not far from Baltimore, so you'll actually see those. to the picture luke which one would you wear in public if you had to the ray lewis one i mean i'm not far from baltimore so you'll actually see those the simpson one i guess you could get away with yeah he was there when a guy died he didn't kill him luke okay oh is that right is that what happened he just totally was that's what happened right. I said this to you. The only thing missing is the Ray Carruth jersey. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. And maybe the John Copenhaver fighting gloves.

Yeah. Maybe that too, Luke. All right. Yeah. That's all I got this week. That's all the shit that this show can handle, Luke. So I hope you saw it. Very good.

All right. Very good. As always. With that in mind, it is time. It is time for odds and ends. What do you have for us? What the hell did I have? Oh, yeah.

I had. What did I have? Do you remember what I had? No, I don't do your job for you. All right. Why don't you go first, Luke? I'll think about it. All right.

All right. So mine is we've been talking about this dude named Chris Lee. He's a judge in Nevada. And Chris Lee was in the Dolize and Alon fight. And he has been involved in eight split decisions. And in all of those eight split decisions, he's been the only dissenting party. Most of the fighters, the judges,

had it 29-28 for Dolize. One had it 30-27. I had it 29-28. And he had it 29-28 for Alon. You're like, well, that's not so much a scandal. The right guy won, and he was only a one-round difference. Right, but you've had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. The only times where you've been the dissenter, you've been the only one in that dissenting party. You've had no other person join you.

Again, I'm always saying this because nothing will happen but just pay attention to chris lee because he's going to keep getting assignments and dana was like eventually this kind of thing is going to fuck someone's life up and uh dana and i don't always see eye to eye but boy is he right about this didn't happen this time but it will luke what would they in in the year 2020 a luke Thomas and Dana White interview over Zoom put on the Morning Combat channel? What would that look like? I don't think, it's been a few years, right? Since you've.

I haven't interviewed him since he cursed me out on Twitter and then apologized for it back in like 06, 07, something like that. I think it was like 010 maybe. But yeah, I could probably set that up. I don't know if you know, Luke, but I've sat in the John Morgan chair before. I got connections over there. Yeah, the thing is, everyone talks about that. What would you ask him? It's like, does it matter?

If he doesn't want to do the interview properly and answer the questions, I mean, you could do it, but it wouldn't be that fun. The whole point is to talk to somebody who wants to like do it I don't like just to have a controversy an adversary I don't need that I'm looking for somebody yeah I don't need that I don't need you I don't need to be linked with a controversial guy you know Luke I'm trying to go places in my career thank you very much Luke my odds and ends this week uh so here's the deal we open the show by talking Floyd Logan Paul and look it's a question of of how much you're willing to tolerate. Would you like to watch an old fighter against a guy, young punk,

who's 40 pounds heavier? Well, Clarissa Shields, Luke, who's making a lot of interesting news down there at the Jackson Wing Camp, training with Holly Holm and Jon Jones, and shout out to her. She's working hard out there. She went public and said, you know what? I want to box Jake Paul. And I want to put all the money and shout out to her. She's working hard out there. She went public and said, you know what? I want to box Jake Paul,

and I want to put all the money and put it to charity to help the water in Flint, Michigan, where she's from, and I will knock him the hell out. Luke, I want to ask you two questions about this, okay? Because I know you're going to hate it and whatever, but I want to get the questions out. Number one, how far is too far? I mean, we talked about Joey Buttafuoco had a boxing match with frickin' Chyna of the WWE. you know whatever but i want to i want to get the questions out number one how far is too far i mean

we talked about joey buttafuoco had a boxing match with freaking china of the wwe how far is too far would you watch it and number two would she knock out jake paul i have to take a dump can we end the show like are you you're okay with tyson and jones you know you're i have diarrhea can we end the show you're begrudgingly okay with logan and floyd whatever would you sign off on on them doing with actual commission an intergender match jake paulissa Shields. Would you do it? BC, I have to go potty. I don't think you understand me. I need to speak

in a language you understand. I got to poop. All right. Well, it was good talking to you, Luke. Okay. It was nice. Nice. Yeah. All right. So those are our odds and ends. Let's give folks the heads up on this. You want to send us an email for Dead Wrong.

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homework do we have any homework for this week for the people are you or have you just blown that segment up you're just like whatever if i have something that really speaks to me i will but i don't also all right luke it was also, choo-choo, the poop train leaving the station. I'm out, guys. I'm out. All right.

That was a good show. Thanks. All right. We got a bunch of stuff coming your way. Kayla Harrison interview. BC's got a bunch of interviews happening.

Stick around. We're doing a Rafael Lovato Q&A on Instagram, so check that out as well. Details are there at Morning Combat. For Brian Campbell, Malka, and Showtime, I'm Luke Thomas. Until next time, may all of your gains levato q a on instagram so check that out as well details are there at morning combat for brian campbell malcolm and showtime i'm luke thomas until next time may all of your gains be loyal We'll be right back. you