MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - OG RSD: Spence-Crawford Press Conference | First Concerts | Judging & Reffing

Episode Date: June 14, 2023

OG RSD is Back! The boys are in Jersey City to cover the Errol Spence Jr. vs. Terence Crawford press conference. The guys discuss Yoel Romero vs. Vadim Nemkov, The first concert they went to and much more. You won't want to miss this episode. Morning Kombat is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher and wherever else you listen to podcasts.     For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi everyone welcome to another superfluous edition of do Luke and Brian get fired by 24 hours upon release Jersey City Diaries is that what we call this yeah we are in a Jersey City hotel as you can see is has all the amenities red shoe Diaries 1.0 coming at you also a great Showtime show by the way How many times have you gotten bedbugs from being on the road? You know, I never have. At least not knowledge. Oh, you've definitely had bedbugs. I mean, how do you know if you have bedbugs?

Do you have you waking up with like a constellation of bites around your ankles? They're kind of close to being like an ant bite, but not necessarily as severe. I try to talk myself into thinking that maybe I weed whack too aggressively at home and it's just late. It's late growing poison ivy or something. Not this dirty hotel's fault. Luke, do you know why this shirt came in so clutch right now? Because it's clean? No, it's actually, it's not.

But because I had Thai for dinner and I spilled, you know, of course I like ate it while laying on the bed with my head on the pillow. Like just the worst, right? Like the worst possible, you know, of course I like ate it while laying on the bed with my head on the pillow, like the, just the worst, right? Like the worst possible, you know, version of myself. And I spilled all over, but the viewers can't tell. They could spend the rest of this episode trying to decode what is tie dye and what is tie food. And, um, yeah, I kind of backed myself into a corner with their way. I didn't really have what was your order i think um pad thai with chicken and two thai iced teas which are incredible you get down with that

those like uh i don't do the iced teas all right they could change your life a lot of sugar in them and cream according to my wife but they could change your life do you like bubble tea yeah i mean it's gimmicky but i enjoy it i. I like bubble tea. Like my daughter. Love bubble tea. I don't think they had that shit when we were smaller, at least not in gringo places, right? No, I don't remember bubble tea. Wait, is gringo only identifiable with the Latino and Hispanic? Or if I'm talking about the Chinese or the Koreans, am I a gringo in their eyes? So, wait, to the, I don't understand.

Where are you traveling and who are you asking? Like, if I'm trying to pronounce a Spanish name, I would be like, well, here's my gringo version. Yeah. But does it go beyond Spanish. Is that Spanish only? Are you asking, can Americans be foreigners in places where they, people don't speak Spanish? Yeah. Is there any other country or culture that they use a term like green? Oh, I think the Brazilians do. The Brazilians do. And then the Portuguese I think do as well. Um, so anything from the Iberian peninsula and then their colonial. You ever want to go on vacation to like a real bullshit country

and just figure out what's going on in there like Andorra? Dude, I never told you about this. Like Andorra is the... It's that place in the mountains between Spain and France. Yes, yes.

The principality, I think. I don't actually know what to give this principality. It's a real country, Luke. Yeah, hold on. You got me off track. The first time actually want to get into principality. It's a real country. Yeah. Hold on. You got me off track. The first time I tried

to go to Lebanon I just did the absolute asshole thing where I didn't properly check what I needed to do to get there. I thought I had but I did a very lazy

check and it will open my face because You pack weed? Is that what this is all about? No, no, no, no, no. You don't necessarily you have to get a visa to go and I thought it would be one of the situations where you like so for example when you go to Turkey this is what I want I don't know what it is anymore you we landed like you need a visa I'm like what the fuck am I gonna do now you just go buy them at the

kiosk like it's literally you just it's like buying a Coke from a machine. You just can't believe it. They just spit out a visa. You're like, wow. Okay. So I thought it'd be like that, uh, for, I don't know, whatever reason. And it was not. So we get to the airport and, um, they're like, there's no direct flights to Beirut, obviously after, uh, the Marine barracks got bombed. So one of the places you can go to to get there is paris so we had a flight to paris and then paris to beirut and they're like listen you can get on the flight to paris you just can't go to beirut and my wife was like i was like what the are we going to do now all the hotel reservations everything yeah and i was like what the are we going to do dude my wife is a corporate event planner she's like I'll take care of this dude we had hotel car service in Paris in Paris all done everything set up by the

time we got there and and my wife had like an itinerary plan I couldn't I was like she got bitter at me because we didn't plan the wedding but I didn't plan the wedding and I'm like what the fuck do you the fuck you want me to do like Like, I'm only going to get in the way, which is me being lazy. I'm admitting that. Like, I am definitely using that as an excuse, but it's also fucking true. Do you mark your territory around the house

Dutch oven style to let her know of your male dominance? No, but I do like going to places where... People do that? No, where I can just pee on the seat. I'm teasing. Yeah. Or am I? Hey, you know

what we did today? We hosted... We didn't have sex. It's still our viewers' dream, right? We hosted day one of this two-day Spence Crawford tour.

They were in L.A. We were here in Jersey City. Tomorrow we'll be in Times Square with them. But, you know, that shit got me really excited about the fight. Like, I shit got me really excited about the fight.

Like, I obviously was already real excited about the fight, but, like, the pure fan in me was like, yo, this fight's going to be awesome.

I don't even care, like, how popular it is or how far it crosses over. Just the night. The only thing that matters is these two in the ring. Hey, Tui, right? That.

It's going to be banged up. How excited are you about going? I mean, that's not a nice thing to bring up. It's not a nice gesture. No, my wife travels one weekly year for work,

so I certainly have committed to always keeping that week and taking care of the animals and the kids and all that. So I won't be going, but I'll be working from home, Luke. So you better carry the water, okay? Carry the ball there in Las Vegas in Sin City. Who do you think they'll match you up with i hope someone ridiculous like you and six takashi six nine breaking down the fight that'd be sick yeah um did you see him get his ass beat in an la fitness i did not see that you didn't see this no

this was not long ago dude this was like a month i'm not attracted to him. Like, I don't follow his bullshit. You know what I mean? No, I'm not either. But the dude, like, hardcore snitched, right? And again. Snitches get stitches. Well, that's the thing, right? So he does all of this, and you think, oh, my God, like, the amount of people he sold out to get out. Surely it's curtains for him. That's such an old guy phrase.

I like that. Yeah, I know. That's what I like at this point. You all right over there? Got bed bugs? Yeah, I was trying to find... No, I keep spilling water because I'm a mess to the human race.

I can't find the paper towel I had reserved. What I was going to say was the dude then gets out of prison and goes on a taunting tour where he goes through the streets of New York, other cities, LA, blah, blah, blah, touring, and then bragging about how, you know, here I am, come get me over and over again. And so finally, like, that didn't result in anything. He didn't get shot or whatever.

He eventually ends up in an LA Fitness. I'm not sure what city it was in. I can't remember that detail because there's LA Fitnesses everywhere for people who are watching from some other place. And these three guys beat the fuck out of him. There's video of it too. Was it sadder than Dylan Dennis getting choked out by that waiter or cop or whichever? It's a little more...

Rent-a-cop? No one was drunk here, so it's a little less sad than that. But the weird part about it was, if I read the story right, the guys who beat him up weren't even really involved. They just found him repugnant. They were just dudes at the L.A. gym or the L.A. fitness dance spot or whatever,

and they just beat his ass out of principle. I'm like, I don't know that I would go to jail for that kind of reason. I might just let him go work out. Some celebrities, they're targets for shenanigans, but they bring it on themselves luke you know what i mean like then like charlemagne the god get jumped in public like people like i think someone ran up on him people don't jump on run up on skip bayless though do they do they just look at that as just comedy then i mean you are beating up an old man at that

point yeah yeah also that is amazing how has, how has no one gotten out the cell phone camera and been like, hey, eat a bag of dick, Skip Bayless. Maybe he goes like directly from studio to hotel or back home and like that's it. Like doesn't, you know, the more famous you get, the less you like stroll around publicly

and like flaunt it. Like you're not walking around the Las Vegas strip when you've got a, you know, self to respect, you know. Yeah, that's true. A reason not to. I bet he seems to lay low. You never see like Skip Bayless you know, self to respect, you know. Yeah, that's true. A reason not to. He seems to lay low. You never see like Skip Bayless was spotted, blah, blah, blah.

Meanwhile, my friend who lives in Tampa is like, hey, Ric Flair is drinking at that local bar from my house again. I'm like, go say hi. Yeah, Ric Flair. You know what I noticed going back and watching tape recently? On Ric Flair? No. I'm not sure

if all of these were pre-pandemic some of them were some of them were during the pandemic but everyone was complaining about the Apex shows

and then I go back and I watch tape and I don't know what event it was I can't remember and the wooing was out of control and I was like

you know what God bless the Apex God bless the silence you know what the Apex is? The Apex is the quiet car of sporting venues. It's a library-like atmosphere. Yeah, no. Remember when they had that mini celebrity section

when they first started letting people come back into the Apex? What's his face? Machine Gun Kelly. Yeah, and it was like Paul Anka, 86 years old, sitting there. And you're like, really? Old crooners coming out? Which, honestly, it sounds like a good idea. Here's what I don't get about the Apex.

Everyone complains about what it is, which is like this warehouse vibe. And I get that. I do get that. But if you're the UFC, surely you must hear some of this criticism. I guess you blow it off. But my point is this. If I told you you had an unlimited budget and I said you have to keep the Apex basically what it is, which is a production

facility. That's why people hate it because it's a production facility. You have to keep it a production facility and we can't lose, like once you get going, I don't want you to alter the set in such a way where operations get all messed up. It still has to be turn key. It's really what it is. These seven-hour events they can just do. But make it cooler. Make it cooler. Make it cooler.

You can't tell me like an interior designer or obviously this is a different kind. An architect almost could come in and make a more amphitheater-like feel there

or change the seating up. That's a good point. They really, they're like openly being honest with you that we're mailing it in, but they're not there or change the seating up. That's a good point. They're openly being honest with you that we're mailing it in, but they're not jazzing up the mail-in. They're not just putting lipstick on the pig. They're just like, yeah, this is the shit that we're doing. We're not going to explain why, though, and hopefully no one in the media specifically

raises their hand and asks that. Why does nobody ask that? I don't know. You're going to have a small audience who can be in person. Fine. We grant that. Can we make it cooler than what just seems to be almost like a... Again, I've never been to the... Oh, I've never been in that room in the Apex. I've been in the Apex facility. You can't make

it a little bit cooler? Even for example, so for folks who may not realize this, we haven't done one since last year, but we went to last year's um media day which was in the apex it's this gigantic facility off the highway you know they really i mean it's i get why they love it you know it's it from a work functionality standpoint it is like such a blessing to have and they had this long room where the fighters would go at one end where they are on the microphone and then everyone sits at these tables and this was made during covet they just never really changed it up all that much but like even that room was like enormous it's it's the room right past you walk in and it's all of the ultimate fighter jerseys all on one wall and

stuff like that and there's like belts too you walk past that it's down there well my point being it is like it's fine the functionality is crazy high yeah but it's just all it it's just utterly without personality 100 that's my issue and you know i before that change in the access to the media day you know they made it covid friendly by making it more of a press conference um i missed the one-on-one availability from this standpoint oh my god dude that has changed mone availability from this standpoint. Oh my God, dude, that has changed MMA media. From this standpoint, like from two standpoint, one, it made it more fun to cover the card because you were getting one-on-one, no, they'd be short, you know, five, six minutes, whatever, sometimes even shorter, but you really get a feel like you're covering it.

Like whatever time, you know, later when you go on your podcast or you do a news hit or whatever we do for CBS Sports HQ, you feel more connected to the storylines and the flow on every fight. The other part about it ultimately is, you know, I probably lost that. No, dude, I think you make a great point. One of the fun things about the fight game is the late night, long-winded scrums sometimes, you know?

And, dude, the best thing that used to be for your career was to get that gig, to get the gig where you got sent to do that show and you got to go to media day and then you and the fighter are on camera together. That kind of thing is how you built your brand. Exactly, exactly. And they have taken that.

Again, they don't have to do it any other way than what they're doing. It's their fucking show. And I'm not pointing the finger at them being like, F you. Like, this is probably way more efficient. It just takes longer. Now, it used to be two sessions filled with fighters. You'd wait in line for each one. And, you know, if the line was super long, you might be like, forget it.

I'm not going to wait in that line. You have to apportion your time, whatever. And that wasn't a perfect system. People would abuse the power. People with no views would take, you would take 25 minutes in front of you. There's a lot of BS in that. But the access is there, and it took place in a shorter period of time. Now, if you go to that media day as a reporter, you're there for like six hours straight.

And dude, also on top of it, you could feel the buzz in a room where people are coming and going and like blah, blah, blah. And again, I get all the reasons why it went away. I'm just saying that is one thing. Like two things have devastated MMA media among other ones. One, like that kind of access on screen. You can still find ways to do it, but the ready access and what that position meant has been completely lost or undermined. I thought of the other reason I was going to tell you about why I missed that so much. Because coming directly from boxing to when I started to help out at ESPN.com as an editor

and writer and MMA and then kind of took over the job and suddenly I'm doing it full time is do boxing fights, pay-per-view, big weeks, even the highest level ones of the year when there's a good organization, you don't get the access like you do covering a UFC one. So when I transferred over and covered my first full UFC fight week on the ground, it's like, holy shit, you get one-on-one with any person you want on the card. In all of the press events, you not only get a closer seat, better access, you actually get to ask questions, which in the boxing ones they didn't used to. So it's like they give you on-time, efficient as possible, in and a machine WWE is also like that and it is impressive to see dude boxing is not like

That at all. It's a wild wild west a lot of times you see the you know, the bloggers the youtuber guys come Right, it's less. It's less structured and no in boxing You can use your power better than you can in UFC to leverage exclusives You know when I was with the ES, like, you used that as a... See, I never was able to do that. You were able to walk right in and be like, yeah, I'm going to get my own thing over here. And you can play that baller move,

but, man, dude, that first taste of it, which I'm trying to think the first... But I'll tell you what, covering boxing while I was doing UFC in some of my earlier years was a great learning lesson because I remember being like, dude, boxing is like a fucking zoo.

It's a fucking zoo. It's a free-for- all. And you really appreciate how just much more structured the UFC environment is. I know a lot of fans may not view it that way, but trust me, like they have the most, what would you say? The UFC, typically I would say, typically it's a little bland at times, but it is the most buttoned up promotion I've ever seen. It's the most buttoned up promotion by far. seen. It's the most buttoned up promotion by far. I remembered my first full fight week. I've been to UFC fights before this, but just covering like one night.

I need to fix the camera. Keep talking. The first full fight week. Actually, wait a second. How about this for indoctrination? Wait, wait, wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second.

So the crazy thing is, like I had gone to a couple of UFC or Bellator events when I first started getting serious into combat with ESPN. You know, I did like the ultimate fighter finale with the straw Weights. That was a really cool show to be at. But it was UFC 196, my first full fight week. Me, Brad, I think we had Rash Markazi, three of us on the ground going after it, go to every single event. Dude, that week was insane. Were you there in Vegas that weekend? Which one? Conor and Nate won. Holly Holm against Misha tate in the coal main you had um nunes versus nunes and shevchenko i think we're both on that card in separate fights or no that was the first

time they fought each other that's right did i go to connor nate one i did i went to whatever ufc it was because i did a immediate breaking news report on the ground with ariel me and sean el shadi when we found out that Connor Nate one or maybe Connor Nate two I think had fallen down something something like that I can't remember but dude what I was gonna say on top of it was now I've kind of forget but someone something else I've heard damn I made media beyond losing that Dana turning on them he wasn't ever necessarily like therefore he's always like I know people are like wow he's reached new lows and it's like not

really like not really that's a good point I mean there are videos that we have forced ourselves to forget that he put out mainstream like 12 years ago right that were just so that he had a video like the famous one that got him in trouble there was a couple of them there's a Lord Ita hunt one the loretta hunt one i remember vividly the day that the loretta hunt video came out and then it was a real homophobic one that was on that level i forgot who loretta hunt one that's the same one so the reason why he did it in loretta hunt one was loretta hunt was making a point about managers and what ufc might be doing to undermine the ufc managers both input and in certain cases supervision and there was a question and the

question is fair on Dana's side which was why are is your manager in the back you know why is your manager you know these are spots for credentialed people now it turns out you may actually want your manager back there in the event that they try to force a deal on you any promoter like as a rule wouldn't you want that a fighter has the opportunity should have the opportunity to have a manager with them before they sign any deal? You would want to give them that opportunity. But he argued against a bunch of things in the piece. But rather than making it about that, what he basically did was he went after her for having anonymous sources.

And he was like, whoever was an anonymous source who doesn't put their name on it, you're an effing the letter F. And so it was about the practices involved in telling that story and he and he dropped that dude that was like a real big thing like that was he got deep shit for that one uh at least i mean you know it was amazing it was still considered a little more outlaw yeah it was sort of like oh that's what they do there yeah but like the media i remember the the mainstream media this is still true to an extent, to an extent, I don't think as much, but they really liked Dana. Like at that moment in time, what Dana meant for them was this kind of new power executive in sports who knew the rules of how to excel in this new world they were in, the television world and media rights and all that kind of stuff, knew how to play that game, but also had a bit of an edge to them.

And everything had felt so buttoned up at the time where everyone was doing corporate speaking. Here comes Dana. Fuck this. Fuck that. I like this. I like that. And they really responded to that.

They really liked it. So when that crisis hit, first of all, I think altogether there was a bit more of an apologetic tone, relatively speaking. I mean, this time there was just absolutely nothing. Well, I mean altogether there was a bit more of an apologetic tone, relatively speaking. I mean, this time there was just absolutely nothing. Well, I mean, that's not true. But still, he had to bend the knee a little bit more at that time. And then the media cover for him at the time was that, hey, he made a mistake and he's owning up to it. And again, even then I didn't think he should lose his job.

But I remember that day vividly, vividly. The question is, would they do that now? I don't know he should lose his job but I remember that day vividly vividly the question is would they do that now I don't know if they would do that now as much I mean even he's way smarter now and adjusted to times to not let that happen like he couldn't justify that here's the thing dude we grew up in the 90s like I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I haven't said that word a gajillion

times because of course I have so you know I was like you know when that happened I was like dude we're long past the point where that's acceptable obviously but like it's a little hard to pick up a big ass rock you know and be like pay the penalty you know um what about me so there's that um anyway yeah you know we also interviewed Yoel Romero today. Mm-hmm. Dude, I, I cannot get enough of him. Like, he's just one of those athletes that, like, he's such a, equally, he's a ridiculous character and, like, this inspiration badass.

Yeah, yeah. Like, he's so many things at once, like, humble, hardworking, but also, like, a cheat. He had some cheating moments. Like, he's always kind of, like, on the edge of just the same. But, um, I don't know. That was a fun interview to just really hear him at length with the interpreter

just like hear a bit of his soul you know what I mean like yeah I don't know do you love him like I do yeah BC starts out

the interview by telling him he loves him yeah from the heart you know what I mean he knows I love him

we have had moments before him and I you know what I mean we kind of made out in a sense like in a sense like in terms of like you know one love I, you know what I mean? We kind of made out, in a sense, like, in terms of, like, you know, one love, brotherhood, you know? Yeah.

You guys had, you definitely gargled his balls, I can say that. That is way too far. I can absolutely say that. I mean, like, dude, could he really win the Bellator Light Heavyweight Championship? I mean, this is going to go out, what, tomorrow? So, before the fight? I mean, never say never, but I feel like Nemcov would have to fuck up like for that time

okay is in a higher division and he did say not cutting down anymore is like so much better for him does he still have the explosiveness to have a moment

like the moments he produced against Rockhold Wyden like all these dudes you know like so I'm trying to remember like I didn't go back and rewatch the fight

but like when Couture hung it up I was at that event but it's been so long. This was the one in Canada where GSP fought Jake Shields. Machida against... Yeah, Machida. That was rough to watch.

Yeah. So Couture was basically the same age. He was 47 at that time. And I remember, like, what was the difference between that Couture and one just a few years before that? Chin. Chin is the answer there.

He just became much less durable almost instantly. I mean, Brock punched the shit out of him with that one. Look, he took a world of damage in all of his career, but what I'm saying is like year to year, you didn't notice much difference, and then all of a sudden there was a big one. I wonder, you know, we'll build up. I've said versions of this before, but tell me,

am I being too over-the-top fanboy romanticism here? Like, because Randy Couture's not in the good graces of the UFC and he's doing PFL work, like, obviously his legend doesn't get told like it should through UFC's lens or mouth or voice. That's why, didn't PFL produce a documentary on him that's on ESPN Plus? I think they might have. But the whole point is, like, I feel like this younger generation of fans that are coming in should be, like, given the DVDs and, you know,

go watch the Randy Couture run. Like, you gotta, like, American hero. Like, he could be that enduring badass over multiple generations of MMA and UFC fandom, yet he doesn't have that Chuck Liddell feeling. You know what I'm saying? Like, Chuck's kind of a, I mean, Chuck's doing theiddell feeling. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Chuck's kind of a, I mean, Chuck's doing the Mohawk with the big, I'm sorry, Chuck. Someone's got to go here. But it's still Chuck Liddell, you know what I mean? Yeah, you've got to respect it. Why don't, is it just because the UFC doesn't sing his legend? Is that the only reason why? Dude, he's awesome. The legend of Chuck Liddell is awesome, man. Yeah. You know what i mean like even you don't have that respect like for who chuck yeah like on that

captain america level of like fucking chuck man he can like he can do anything dude the difference the difference was couture served in the army that was the difference oh it's because you're a marine you can't give him that full respect like just give it to him you know what i mean i know you want to give it to him no No, I want you to give him some flowers. Do you remember that? No, but to answer your question, Couture, you know, it's all marketing and

bullshit, but he was like a precursor to Brian Stan, who was like all in on that identity. Yeah, but he was a way better fighter in terms of elite levels at their prime. Couture? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. By a country mile. I mean, he won a title in two different weight classes. So, yeah, for sure.

He's one of 17 double champions in MMA history. Well, among major organizations. Do you put David Branch in there? You do. Because there was World Series of Fighting. It was light heavyweight. That actually got him back into the UFC, I believe, right? If memory serves.

And then that went so-so when he got back. But do you remember that Chuck Liddell cameo he did where he was like, Dear Dylan, your friend Steve says I'm so glad you've come out of the closet. Enjoy your life as a homosexual. I was like, this is a little bland, Chuck. I think

you're having a go at you, my guy. Oh, wow. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's like the most ordinary names, like Steve and Rick. It's like Rick says, congratulations on being a homosexual. You know, cameo, Luke, it's something.

It's something, you know. How many people have sent you pictures of their wang? No, they don't do that. They send a request, and then I provide the wang shots. That's how the transaction works, you know? Oh, that's great. Dude, you know what I didn't know? Let me ask you a question. Who's the most batshit, insane, maybe in a good way, maybe in a bad way,

person on wrestling Twitter? Who's like the fucking... Of active people or like legends I guess active like who is just fucking out there I don't follow that closely anymore and I mean when they're WWE superstars they're not necessarily allowed to like carry on these like all like real life personas okay well okay so who's like out of the business who's like super ridiculously insane? There's a lot of them. I can't give you like

one that just sums it up but there's a good amount of them. I saw one today I cannot remember his name. Boy, this gentleman was animated. Animated.

It's like I'm so far removed from that I can't even find like the go-to reach of who that should be anymore but you know I did have a good run look back in Pro Wrestling person i didn't think i'd ever stumble back into it you know and it happened and now i'm glad it's over but it was something you know it's a it was a

love affair that i don't regret okay luke like that cheryl crow song my greatest mistake you know dude you've been talking about cheryl crow-stop today. Yeah, yeah. Earlier today, Luke's like, you know, under no circumstances at all would I sleep with Sheryl Crow in my Lance Armstrong. He had this whole bit about wristbands and, you know. BC just asked me would I bang Sheryl Crow because that's what he asked me in workplaces. You know, I had an EPO punchline. I just couldn't deliver it. I couldn't play it.

And I was trying to think that through. And I'm like, it's not really my type, you know? Yeah. Not really my type. Have you seen her at a concert? No, I don't think so. What was your first concert that you, like, and when I mean first concert, I mean like what your parents took you to, unless they took you to an awesome one.

What was like your first concert where you picked and you went? Okay, so my first real concert was a free Fourth of July concert with Blood, Sweat, and Tears, but I wasn't into the music. I don't mean that. I mean everything was like... Okay, then I got dragged by my dad and some relatives to a...

Do you remember this band called White Trash? They had a one-hit wonder ska hit. I Hate Everything About You? No, they were on par with Ugly Kid Joe, but they had a song called Apple Pie. Not Cherry Pie. Yeah, she is my... No, they were on par with Ugly Kid Joe, but they had a song called Apple Pie. Not Cherry Pie. Yeah. She is my heart.

No, that's Warren. This is, it sounds like I've never heard of that, but if you put it on the song, you'd be like, oh, I kind of remember that. I'm sure I have. I went to a concert with them, and it was actually pretty awesome until the band started opening up cans of beer,

taking two drinks, and then firing it out to the crowd. There was cans flying everywhere, and my dad was like, we gotta go right now. So I'd say the first concert that I actively pushed to go to now that you probably make fun of me but um at that point that was like freshman year high school i was real into like 60s oldies you know what i'm saying like like you know all the all the big hits of like 63 64 65 66 like the all the names all of them i went i was like dad we got to go to this oldie show it's going to be awesome at the civic center tommy james and the shondells junior walker and the

all-stars uh lou christie leslie gore like all these like you know the kind of music that'd be on at your dentist office luke okay but i have to say the concert was awesome except for the overabundance of middle-aged people dancing in the aisles it was almost jimmy buffett like it was really like pushing it where i was like, I don't know if I want to be here anymore. I saw, it wasn't my first concert, but I saw Drive-By Truckers.

Who did they open for? Was it the... Charlie Daniels? No. Was it the Doobie Brothers? Who was it? That would be pretty badass, actually.

I left after Drive-By Truckers. I was like, nah. Who's the group that their mushrooms are their symbol? The Allman Brothers? Allman Brothers. Excuse me. You skipped out on the Allman Brothers? I did skip out on the Allman Brothers. That's the group that, like, their mushrooms are their symbol? The Allman Brothers? Allman Brothers. Excuse me.

Dude, you skipped out on the Allman Brothers? I did skip out on the Allman Brothers. That's Oteel. He was in the band. I know, I know. I like it. Actually, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. I like the Allman Brothers, but I was just out of there.

It was in Virginia Beach. I was just like, I'm gone. I bet you that was a... What year was that? That was a while ago. Like, oh... 2002? No.

Like, oh, 2006, maybe? Something like that that because I saw the Drive-By Truckers for the first time in 2002 Central Park they used to have that summer concert

series for free and it was Drive-By Truckers opening up for Charlie Daniels it was badass dude that's pretty good I'm not a big

Charlie Daniels guy but when he he puts on a show when he does The Devil Goes Down to Georgia that song honestly

dude he breaks the shit out of the bow on the fiddle and goes nuts dude I'll watch just about anything on shit out of the bow on the fiddle and goes nuts, you know? Dude, I'll watch just about anything on a stage if the person on the stage is a real showman.

Cabaret theater as well. I mean, okay, you're starting to get, you know. I'm not trying to go into wine mom territory. I'm just saying the stuff that I'll sit through

that I ordinarily wouldn't if someone was just ordinarily playing it without much more than just the mechanical act of playing it but like if someone's really putting on a show

you'd be surprised what you watch you know or what kind of stuff you'll at least give a shot I think you'd be surprised you know

I think I think he'd fuck you up yeah yeah dude you just can't stop I know you know you just opened you know it's know. You just opened a door.

You're like a stump to Schwab. If someone just gives you this input, you have to, you know. You're the Brendan Schaub rain man. No. I think that's what you are. It's really more about the art of comedy than Brendan Schaub. I don't know that that's true. It's pretty singular about it.

For us artists, it's more of a. How bitter were people that you didn't land on the wheel when I had that written? How bitter were they? I don't know. the wheel when I had that written how bitter were they I don't know I got enough cats in my house you know what I mean I don't need to keep

what movies did I see dude I saw a documentary recently that was you know I didn't ask you what movies you saw I mean that was a nice pivot but I didn't ask you

I know I'm just telling you no but you said it up like oh BC you were asking me about this I was like no I guess you weren't nevertheless I'm just going BC, you were asking me about this. I was like, no, it really wasn't. I guess you weren't. Nevertheless, I'm just going to tell you, bitch, because that's what I do. I saw Chimp Empire on Netflix.

Have you seen this? I have not seen that. Or heard of it. It's this documentary crew that spent months and months and months in this dense jungle in this Ngogo forest. And I think, if memory serves, Uganda. And it's the place where, basically, it's the densest chimp population anywhere in the world. Okay.

And it's the most amazing footage and the most amazing sound and incredible narration. Now, obviously, they're telling a story, so you wonder to what extent there's actual fealty to the truth. But I'm told that the broad strokes of it are very much true. Does this end with a journalist getting eaten and destroyed? It doesn't, but there is some death. There is some death. Chimp life is brutal, bro.

What do you think is more dangerous in terms of risking your life, being a solo free climber or studying chimps and like that role that Sigourney Weaver played in that movie? I don't know what the math on that is. I'm going to bet it's more dangerous to be with the chimps, bro.

They'll rip your balls and face off in them. Like instantly, right? Yeah, yeah. And they're strong as fuck too. Yo, you know what I used to be real into in elementary school

and now I look back on it with horror? Fecality? No, videos of animals like in the African jungle fighting. Stare down. You know what I mean? How would this animal do against this one?

Then you look and there's video of it. You know what I've noticed, though? It's like faces of death for kids. It's good. It is. But here's the thing. I've noticed I can watch certain forms of death. Like when a cat...

For example, when a jaguar gets a croc. Yeah, I'm not into any of that bullshit. Okay, I'm not into it, but I can tolerate it. But when a snake gets a horse, I'm like no i'm good i'm like i can't there's certain forms of animal death that i can tolerate and other ones i can't more you know inevitably we're going to end up at a cockfighting match if we keep you know if you keep entertaining that dude my uh my in-laws when panama took me to they have like, the big thing in life down there, as I understand it, is everyone's got like, when they live in the city, they all have like, it's like

here too, but like it's much more pronounced. Everyone's got like a country getaway, right? It's like a real big thing is going to the countryside on the weekends and stuff like that. And he took us to his countryside house, which was lovely. I mean, it had two pools,. What is not to like about it? But on the way, he had to pass

a fully functional operating cockfighting ring. Yo, that's... And dude, with the imagery painted and you can see the amphitheater. They weren't having

a cockfight when we drove by, but they were just closed for the day. Okay, do you... It's abhorrent to me, right? I'm just like, oh, God.

Do you have any sympathy for people who grow up as that legitimate part of their culture where they come from? It's hard for them to look at it as anything but that, even though I'm still like, that's ridiculous. Here's the thing. The poorer you go to some of these places, these things are not always

directly correlated, but my experience in life has been that when you go to some of these places, these things are not always directly correlated, but my experience in life has been that when you go to some of these poorer places and they're still using animals as tools in society for transportation, for farming, and again, some of that is still done even in the most advanced ones, but I mean much more rugged, difficult methods. You'll see, in my lifetime, in our lifetime,

they banned use of horses for transportation in Bogota. And so they had to pay farmers, like, that was their only means of using these fucking things. They had to pay them to tend to, like, to, like, this humane farm

and, like, give them money so they could buy, like, something to replace that with. But what I'm trying to make is when you see people who come from, like, circumstances like that, like, dude,

when the people are when life is that rough and the value of human life is so low the animals don't have a prayer like they don't have a prayer so here's my answer no i mean i still believe in animal ethics and i think it applies more consistently even no matter what i'm not one of these like cultural relativists that like, no, harming women and throwing acid in their face in other countries is great. No, it's fucking bad. And so animal abuse is bad.

But... Can you be reformed from that? Sure, of course you can. I mean, look at Michael Vick. I mean, I don't think he's drowning dogs, is he? No. I think he's, you know... Boy, people were bitter about that remember he had the inspirational comeback year with the eagles where he was like the best

player in football yeah it was shocking yeah but people were mad as shit about that i mean what is the um statue of limitations on the court of public opinion on that i mean he went to fucking jail what do you want him to do like yeah i mean you know you could see it both ways though i know would you be like hey um my dog is barking outside. I'm not home. Can you just go let him in? Would you trust him? Okay, all right.

No, no. I don't know if you trust him. Yeah, why is Coach Sandusky in the living room? I mean, there's no more recruiting visits at all, you know? It's like, just stay away, right? I told you I saw John Wick 4. Yeah. I didn't see any of them, Luke.

I think I failed in not seeing any of the Taken movies with Liam Neeson. Are they good? I think I've seen one of them. How many are there? I think there's a lot more than you realize. Is it like Ernest Goes to Camp? I think it's like a Portmanteau and Furious franchise at this point. Ernest Goes to...

Yo, Slam Dunk Ernest was decent. I'll say that. I don't... It was. It was It was Yeah That's an old man reference like a bitch

Yeah God damn Would you believe that I had more than a few copies I mean more than a few volumes in the Ernest series

on DVD like when I was in like middle school like absolutely I did you know Oh my god dude Yeah Well I think it was still VHS when I was in middle school what a horrible thing vhs was right

yeah except you know what you know what my dad was too clever beta he got beta max yeah yeah he did he's like with the way he got it and he kept saying the cartridges like they're bigger and he was like this is what the rest of the world uses which was true and i'm like dad he's like the kind of guy who at parties like will not call soccer soccer he's like no it's football i'm like dude you're from cleveland just fucking call it yeah so please is he more pedantic than you oh my god dude if you think i'm bad like i would love to interview him but you're never gonna let me why won't you let me it could be it could be part therapy and energy for both of you never gone to a museum until you've gone with my dad.

When I say stop and fucking read every single exhibit description, piece by motherfucking piece. And critique it too. And fact check it in real time. You just cannot imagine the level of detail. Every time I go to a museum i'm like holy fuck it's like it's like a ufc on fox card starting that prepared you to watch tape of mma fights 49 times to find the secret inside of it you know what i mean sometimes yeah sometimes yeah um luke you know what we never talk about pornography uh no um ufc fights in the past that we like really love like we always talk about the big ones but what we never talk about? Pornography? No. UFC fights in the past that we really love.

We always talk about the big ones, but you never talk about the in-between ones. You're like, you know, I love that fight. Dude, my memory is just like, there's so many fights we have to. I mean, I think about some of the ones I had the most fun in. We talked about this one before. Brock Lesnar, Shane Corwin. Yes. Still my favorite pay-per-view still.

Dude, that was just different that Lesnar run was different man you know what I mean like that it was almost like you're watching a movie

it was so kind of like bizarre that he could be that good just transferring over yeah yeah yeah and then I had skepticism because there's a lot of people at that time

where like what people don't realize is some of like the earliest I guess people do realize this but it's worth reminding them that like right around this time. So through, when was Brock Lesnar? Like 08, 09.

Up through that time, there was a lot of really basic but noteworthy experimentation. Boxers versus kickboxers. And I mean well past UFC, like in Japan under boxing rules or kickboxing rules whatever and sort of seeing what would happen and you just saw like a lot of crossover

completely fail now obviously we have better ways of judging these kinds of things so like even though Lesnar was huge as shit and you'd know he wrestled collegiately

you'd be like okay he's good but like you know surely he's going to just fall apart you know once Heath Haring stuffs a couple of takedowns

nope dude nope no remember when Haring did an extra roll over after getting knocked down him to just fall apart you know once Heath Herring stuffs a couple of takedowns nope dude nope no remember when Herring did an extra roll over after getting knocked down and Brock went

full on running shoulder tackle and then still fucking that's the greatest moment of all time like that was such an incredible moment and that wasn't

skill per se but that was like I had not seen athleticism he turned into a bull he literally came in like shoulder first just like goring him like there's a reason why those runs are magical and by those runs I mean Lesnar He turned into a bull. He literally came in like shoulder first, just like goring him.

There's a reason why those runs are magical. And by those runs, I mean Lesnar, Rousey, McGregor, right? And you can, I mean, at times, Anderson Silva had that type of feeling too. And GSP too, people forget. And Jon Jones too. But like, it's next level feeling for Lesnar, Rousey, and McGregor, all for obvious reasons. It's so captivating. And that's why it brings in so many casual fans, because it's like you need to have that much doubt or hate for the athlete as they're doing remarkable, ridiculous things and they're beloved.

But you need those haters too, because then everybody comes out. And of course he lost to Frank Mir and I was like, oh, right. Yeah, okay, now that's who he is. And then Heath Haring had a really bad showing against Jake O'Brien. But I remember at the weigh-ins, or like, yeah, the weigh-ins, I was like, dude, Heath Herring looks fucking big as shit.

Yeah. And then you get out there and he is big, he was. But Brock Lesnar is like, orders of magnitude, a different athlete. And you know what Brock's run had? It was so exciting. Here's what Brock's run had. Here's the special sauce on Brock.

He was, because depending on who you were as as a fan like if you were wwe fan this was like oh my god my favorite wrestler is just kind of crossing the street into this with no experience outside of collegiate wrestling which turns out to be a huge advantage along with the athleticism and all that but he was a freak of nature to watch and at the same time like an inspirational likedog story, right? Because he had no business walking into the title picture at the number one MMA organization in the world at that moment and actually winning the championship. Like, that's ridiculous, right?

It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And I remember he beat Min-Soo Kim before this on K-1. And I remember everyone got that wrong. Everyone was like, oh, Min-Soo Kim sucks. And yes, he was not a great MMA fighter. But Minsoo Kim was like, I believe, an Olympic silver medalist in judo. Certainly a very decorated judoka out of Japan, obviously. And Lesnar just fucking cut right through him. I was like, holy fuck.

What were we talking to recently that said Lesnar was supposed to be fighting somebody else and then the UFC stepped in and blocked it? Was that an on-the-record conversation? I don't know. I don't know. I'll have to think back in the archives with my brain, Luke. I'm trying to remember who Lesnar was and who else he could have fought in that time. But no one would have known because it was such a surprise that he kind of just made the move and came in.

I remember the diverticulitis uh press call that he made that's another thing that has stopped so dana used to do these big announcements on press calls and the media calls right and like so getting on those calls was a big deal and uh all that shit's gone now they just control it completely like they've really diluted the functional need. Like, to what extent is MMA media useful? They have really taken a bite out of that question. Dude, I forgot. Do you remember they had a call when Mayweather McGregor was announced?

Like, that night. Oh, yeah. They did a late-night media call. Yeah, I remember the press releases because they were coming from every direction. Okay, so I was on that call. I forgot what I asked Dana. Yeah, I remember the press releases because they were coming from every direction. Okay, so I was on that call. I forgot what I asked Dana. It was one of those where I know I'm asking a question that has some life to it that they're not going to like.

I forgot the topic. It was kind of a dick question by me, but it was to try to get into that conversation. And Dana was like, that's the stupidest question I ever heard. He totally just shit on me. Just returned, spiked it right in my face. So do you remember when they had the press conference live on Fox to announce that and Joe Rogan had to wear the suit? Yeah, that was awkward. It was like the first time Joe Rogan ever put a suit on in his life. It looked very awkward for him.

Is that why he dresses like a busboy? That's your favorite. That's your favorite. I mean, it is kind of like, it's well delivered. That's where he's at these days. But anyway, I got one of the questions on that. they were they let media call in they only took five questions in retrospect i hate my question but at the time it at the time it made more sense because we didn't really know a lot about how mma and boxing being on the same night we had some idea about it but like it was

still a little bit different i asked them about going head-to-head with pacquiao for their debut and they were like yeah we're not concerned and I was like okay it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't you know inflammatory no no no it was it was normal yeah yeah but it is intimidating and you're like what in your early days of covering to like get up at the you know I think about all those gigs are gone dude all those gigs are gone and it. All those gigs are gone. And it's more than that, too. What gigs? What do you mean?

Like, what made media useful in the aughts? And it was this ability to be the conduit between the sport and the fan base. And there still are obviously ways to do that, but it has been completely eroded on every corner. MMA fighters now interview each other on their own YouTube channels, right? They're doing their own breakdowns are doing all kinds of stuff. There's a massive presence in that way Yeah, and what they don't have to go on media tours to announce things or they're they still will in certain occasions Right, but they don't they're like how much of that like this guy's completely taking a backseat and like these things about being on press calls or

you know um being at these events and they could have telling people on the ground what it's like like they've removed all of that but would you say though because it is intimidating your first times like at any time to be fair like at the press conference where there's all the eyes you know the cameras on you too like that's intimidating um i was going to compare that to something else i forgot i had one time i was trying to interview lucas matisse and i was i just could not get a word out yeah and his trainer was like yo ask the fucking question and we're leaving okay that's that that sucks that sucks dude but so so right then i but you know what i kept trying to do i was i was so nervous this was mayweather packing out byiao by the way because Matisse fought on that card

and I was I was trying to be like Luke Thomas SB Nation for blah blah blah and for some reason I was just so nervous to do it

I just kept fucking it up so finally Casey who was my camera guy he's like man just ask him the first question so that worked

I was like so what's up with blah blah blah and it worked fine after that I know what I was going so what's up with blah blah blah it worked fine after that I know what I was going to say I just lost it again

you are an absolute piece of shit yeah yeah really bringing it bringing the heavy load to today's program I know what it was

oh I know it now so you said a thing of the past it feels like a thing of the past now is conference calls like when there's breaking news or anything.

They don't do that anymore, right? I guess there is some kind of Zoom setup sometimes, but not even really. Not really. But you remember calling in, and since it's not visual, you're not seeing their reaction, you can ask extra spiteful or dick questions. Do you know what I mean? What I'm saying is you automatically raise your balls a little bit more. Dude, the Howard Stern guys for years would get on the call and they'd be like,

yeah, here's a question. How long is it going to take for you to lick my balls? Howard's the best. Yeah. I'll always pop for stuff like that. That's just hilarious, man. Dude, this went on for fucking years. They'd have to mute the call and all this shit.

Oh, that was great. was great yeah i mean media in general it's a weird time dude they've absolutely decimated that role that's why i like you know it's like dude how like what kind of stuff can you do in mma media unless honestly like dude there's not i mean it's I would definitely I would say this if you want to get involved in it you need to be very different and you need to get

results right away and if you don't don't fucking do this shit like don't I mean what if you're really good though if you're really good sometimes

what the fuck does that mean sometimes you have to build no it does sometimes you have to build inventory you have to be a lot more than good dude okay

you have to be a lot more than good I'm not saying they have to be great the next day I'm saying no I'm saying you have to be Sometimes you have to build inventory. You have to be a lot more than good, dude. Okay, but... You have to be a lot more than good. I'm not saying they have to be great the next day. I'm saying... No, I'm saying you have to be lucky. You have to be a lot of things. The business has to be conducive. And also, seriously, how many people in MMA media are making what you would consider to be a good living? Dude, you can count them on your fucking hand.

You can count them on your hand. And that number's probably going to dwindle. How much money can actually be made doing this? We are doing okay, certainly for now. But like- Are you trying to say we're newspapers? No, that's not what I mean. What I mean to say is you always have to think about, and I think about this with MK all the time. In fact, I know we could be doing a much better job with it, like our usefulness. How useful is what we are doing?

You know, if the guys... In terms of our voice in the industry? No. In that sense, I think what we do is very useful. Even when we're wrong, we're at least giving an alternative perspective that needs to be aired. Fine.

I mean usefulness and like, hey, how would I get my news if i didn't have x how would i understand fights if i didn't have y how useful are you in that way and mma media because just the way things are structured now and this involves us too they're just a lot less useful you don't need you don't need us as much as you once did um i accept that i accept the challenge but you've got to figure out how to be useful. And that's where I think, dude, that's where I honestly feel like long term, right or wrong, just being critical in this industry makes you

useful. It makes you enemies, but it makes you fucking useful. Look, you have a purpose in this space. Yes, to get yelled at. Even if you hate this space to get yelled at by motherfuckers do you see who

Jack Slack was arguing with today I didn't see it he was arguing with some you know what's amazing to me about like combat sports fans

is that when they pretend to be sports fans it's like dude you can be a combat sports fan and you can be a sports fan

and that's especially true in England, for example. Yeah. Right? But in the States, a lot of combat sports fans are just that. They're not really fans of other sports. So you don't think it's a natural tie with NFL or NHL? You don't think there's a consistency there? The demos overlap on paper, 18 to 24, blah, blah, blah.

I think in the real world, the overlap is fairly small. Yeah. I think they're different. It's like a biker crowd. It's different. What? It is. Dude, these are not bad people, but they're not the same as families in a long-standing

tradition. If your dad has an Affliction t-shirt and tight jeans and a possible coke habit, then you'll fit right in. You'll fit right in, bro. Yeah. Yeah, you'll fit right in. But anyway, I mean, listen,

we have a good deal. We have a good gig. Dude, this was... But here's the funny part about it. When I first got in the business, none of that good stuff ever existed either. Like, that all kind of materialized as you know the business moved along it's just that it didn't last very long like you know how the boot you're saying the boom period for breakout MMA

media slash entertainment dude it's not it's not that hard to get a gig on television talking about I'm not gonna say it's not that hard what I'm saying is it looks incredibly hard it looks hard sorry I'm saying it the wrong way what I'm saying is it's not especially rare in the industry to be able to get a job talking about college football right there's a lot of places there's newspapers that still do that has a beat reporters they have net regional networks there's radio stations that still cover this stuff college radio stations there's television stations there's like a lot of that where a job is available.

Some more lucrative than others but there's a lot of jobs. Dude, how many jobs are there where people get paid to talk about MMA? And how many of them are lucrative? And how many of them are at long-standing institutions?

Right? These places that are bedrocks of community. Dude, like there doesn't fucking exist. It's, like, almost doesn't exist. It's a very, very, you know. But do you, like, want, you know, to have a reputation, a legacy, Luke,

as a, you know, tough journalist who went after truth? All these good virtues, I'm not making fun of them. All that shit is bullshit. No, but do you care? Like, do you look at this as just, this pays the bill? Like, you're passionate about it, but do you, do you care? Like, do you look at this as just, this pays the bill? Like, you're passionate about it,

but like, you know, it's a means to the end. Or are you like trying to leave an imprint, Luke? I think it's extremely foolish to think we're going to leave an imprint. I think it's just absurd. The passage of time,

we won't, none of this will be remembered in 10 years, much less 20. And that's just the reality. People still talk about Luke Thomas as pissed all the time. Don't this will be remembered in 10 years, much less 20. And that's just the reality. People still talk about Luke Thomas is pissed all the time. Don't you dare. They do in a strange way. But here's what I mean, dude. What you have to do is sometimes what you do can set a tone for others and things can build. Certainly in your time, what I think is most important is to the best of your approximation and the best of your abilities to

tell the truth and have an imprint on reality as best that carries you. But then realize there's going to be extreme limits to that. You're going to have pushback on it. And when this is all over, like, oh, people will remember what you've done. People are not going to remember a fucking thing you did, dude. And everyone's like, oh, these guys

are the goats are going to stand the test of time. No. People are going to break their records in 50, 60 years. There's going to be another, oh, let me finish. There's going to be another Messi, there's going to be another Ronaldo,

there's going to be another Michael Phelps, there's going to be all these things. And everyone is going to forget all of this stuff. Like, this, like, grossly inflated sense of self

that we all have. Yeah, I mean, that's not incorrect. I mean, I get it. You know, it's just not true. All you can do is tell the truth while you have the ability to tell it.

That's it. I like that speech, even though it sounds like the guy from Corey Haim and Lucas wrote it. I was thinking about it, too, because I used to be obsessed with these questions about leaving an imprint. Then I realized it's just not going to happen. So that doesn't mean you can't have an imprint. That doesn't mean you can't do big things. But it just means you've got to have a little bit of humility about the big universe you live in and how fast it moves and what all that means. And dude, it brought me closer to my wife and kid.

Having that realization. Because what actually mattered was the fucking time I was spending with them. That's what actually fucking matters. That's damn right. That's damn right. If anything, Luke, and I don't think this is vain,

I don't care if people remember us, but I want them to always remember how they felt. Yeah. With us. People who really like our shit will remember. Yeah. They will remember that. What I mean to say is like,

do we cast some long shadow on society? Dude, we're in a fucking hotel room in Georgia City. Yeah. Talking to a single camera, microphone, camera, like. Oh yeah,

where's the second camera? You said there was going to be a second camera. The battery is dead. I didn't check it because I'm an amateur. Yeah. I did say it was a maybe first of all how many roughly how many poor life decisions away do you think your life was from you being it like a successful adult film producer but like you don't

really have you know a soul or morals or anything like two chicken shit to do that okay two chickens didn't do that but like that sounds something else equally you know reprehensible not that far yeah really not that far yeah i almost went like full-time officer in the military i toyed with that idea but that was like yeah i mean like i love movies when like they break down like the one moment that turned their life you know there's a bunch of them and you're like and you know you kind of you can see in the movie what it would look like if you went this way or that way i always wonder like is there actually a decision that we made in our adult life as men that literally was that moment or would we have ended up where we're supposed to

be anyway eventually even if there are a couple of moments there were a couple of moments i remember that i told you i've told the story a million times, but the first ever live pro MMA show in D.C. was MMAC in May of 2007. And I interviewed the guy who was the promoter for that, for Bloody Elbow at the time, because it was a big deal to have that. Like, wow, there's going to be a pro. There didn't used to be, I mean, it sounds obvious,

but there didn't used to be MMA shows in your hometown. Now that there are, it should not be taken as a given. I remember the days before that. So I interviewed the promoter, and I remember I asked him, who's doing your commentary? And he was like, oh, we're missing somebody. And there was a thing in my brain that just told him to tell you you could do it, and I said it, which was a fucking lie. I've never done it before. I was absolutely terrible at it, and blah, blah, blah.

But I guess I wasn't terrible at it. I was okay at it. But what the networks at the time wanted was they were looking at jiu-jitsu like it was an absolutely foreign language. And so what they wanted was someone who could look at it and tell us just... You were translating. Yeah, just tell us what the fuck this is. So I didn't need to be like

Fernando Fabiano Busque who's like the goat train I don't have to be that I just have to be like hey that's triangle you know who you

should try to be Jeff Blatnick he was good he was really good I interviewed Jeff Blatnick let me just say this quickly

at a time when we don't look back as like the golden era of MMA broadcasting by any means it's almost barbaric to go back. The guys tried their best. There's some notable names that passed through there, but Bruce Beck I liked.

I liked Bruce Beck. But my whole point is he stood out even back then, Blatnik, as being— he was enjoyable. He wasn't over-the-top entertaining, but he was enjoyable, educational, and you really believed that he knew his shit, you know? Yes. I interviewed him in Times Square. The first— and you remember do you know what beat the streets is uh no beat the streets is this event that usa wrestling puts on where they put on

real wrestling matches between high level guys including other nations like and it first started out as in time square and now they do it in all it's in new y, but they do it in these ways where it's like very seen and visible. It's like a big promotion for USA Wrestling. I went to the first ever one. Bubba Jenkins did a rap. There's video of that. He rapped like a fucking song fresh out of college. And then I interviewed Jeff Blatnick in person.

And I asked him, it was a great interview, and I asked him, because he comes from wrestling, obviously, and I asked him, should MMA judging ever adopt a more points-based system, a la wrestling, like two points with a takedown or whatever? And he gave this very, very impassioned reason why it should never be that way in MMA. And you had to say, of course it shouldn't be, but you should hear his answer.

Yeah, the detail. And remember, he was also a person who helped write some of the rules for MMA so this is a guy who was really at the front lines

of this and he was so adamant we should never do something like that and his answer is really is it fair to say

people like Blatnik and Big John McCarthy are like like silent MVPs in the evolution of the

sport or is that too much praise I love Big John. Even if he definitely tore up like a bathroom vessel boy, especially in Tokyo, he won't tell us the stories.

A girl never kisses and tells. What did you ask? About Platnick and Big John McCarthy being silent heroes in the history of, you know, because they don't probably get the credit

they deserve for campaigning for the sport, right? Behind the scenes. Yeah, I don't think that they do. I mean, they did for a time,

but you know, that's what I mean. People forget. Like, that's why people write shit in books because otherwise it will just go away.

Good point. Did Platnick call a fight under the Zuffa era? Definitely SEG. I don't know if he translated fight under the Zufa era? Definitely SEG. I don't know if he translated over to the Zufa era. I can't remember

if he was there still. I cannot either. Some of those UFC 40s I have not seen in a long time. Yeah. I did recall the one time

when Arlovsky fought Paul Buentello when Matt Vaskirjian was the play-by-play guy. Yes, yes. Do you remember that? I remember that being like, who the fuck is this guy?

He's famous for doing MLB stuff. He's good, though. Yeah, he's really good. But he actually was surprisingly good for that. I mean, when you look back at the legacy of Goldie, do you miss him? He swung big. He had big moments.

He wasn't for me. He had big moments, though, right? Like, did he deliver when it mattered? I think he loved MMA. I think he loved MMA. It wasn't for me, though. You don't have a favorite call from him? No.

No. But I'm not going to sit here and talk shit about Michael Goldberg. Like, I've had enough of that, you know? You've done enough of that, you know, you've done enough of that. I, there was a time when it's funny because now they really are in like a full effect, but there was a time when, um,

he was calling half guards, certain things, Turks, and they can look very similar, but they were clearly in the case. There was, there was sometimes obviously they were Turks but in many cases they were not Turks, they were just

half guard and that used to irk me a bit but you know You don't have to end friendships over that and I certainly am no better at that job so again, he who is without sin cast the first stone Would you I know it's not realistic

you're not going to do it. But do you think you would have enjoyed being an MMA judge or referee? I still might do some of that stuff. Oh, you still think you can do it? Not refereeing, but maybe judging. Okay, let me ask you this question. If you went all in, you still have a full-time job, but I'm saying you went all in on your heart commitment to judging, to getting certified, to doing as many amateur bouts as you need, how long do you think it actually would take under most ideal circumstances?

Like you are very good at it right away. They can see that. They can see the passion. How quickly could you call, will you get your first UFC fight? You think it's like a long time? You mean like assuming the UFC is coming to town on a reasonable level? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, how quickly could you close that gap? Is it 10 years or is it two and a half years? From what I've seen from the really good judges, I would say you're looking at ready for your first UFC, right? So we're not talking UFC main event necessarily. No, no, no. So I would say if we're talking first UFC event for the really, really good judges, I think four years

five years is probably almost every weekend you're working on your craft or what? I don't know every weekend but yes frequently frequently

you know you've worked your way up from amateur to pro pro to you know main event main event to blah blah blah you know

and worked your way up and maybe did a Bellator show something else like that so yeah I would say like the good ones have got, like, right around that four- to five-year mark.

They've got really, they're really dialed in, you know. Okay, MMA referee is definitely a job I would say it's not for everybody. Like, it wouldn't be for me. I wouldn't want that responsibility. But how often do you think even really good MMA referees that have done all the big fights, like, are kind of overwhelmed with, like like anxiety about the job and are like you know almost dreading the the fact that like they are responsible for so

much everyone talks about the job being hard and it's like okay that's 100 true but here's the fucking problem if we're going to say over and over and over and over again that MMA judging is hard, then, I should say, why aren't we putting into practice things that allow them to make up for error like other referees and umpires do in other fucking sports? It's the same thing with the Supreme Court I saw this guy who he talks about what do other high courts look like in other countries and what models do they use

and one of the things he comes to the first thing he realizes is they have a different system of rights where one right is not

I'll get to it hold on one right is not I didn't do anything I know I know but I saw a look on your face I had an itch

right here on the back of my head the point I'm trying to make is you have to figure out how to manage conflicting rights. Like, what system do you use?

And, like, there's this partnership system. And now I did lose what the fuck I was talking about because of your stupid face. Dude, I was not asking for help. I was, you know. What was the question? I was very relaxed. What was the question? Oh, about judging?

Yeah, about. Well, I'd ask it through the lens of a referee. I talked about the anxiety. Oh, referee. Like, how much. Like, you know, is there PTSD in that? Right, right. So it through the lens of a referee. I talked about the anxiety. A referee. Like, is there PTSD in that? Right, right. So here's the point.

Our system of law is very different. Rather than competing rights, we just look to judges with this notion that they're supposed to the most clairvoyant, clear-headed, rational kind of way, like they're fucking Vulcans or something, is just bullshit. They're not those kinds of people. You certainly need trained people and competent people, but the Supreme Court's people, their judgment is no less political than anyone else's. It's no more informed in terms of being a good judge of things than anyone else's. So that part is whole bullshit.

This is exactly the same thing with being an MMA referee. Dude, they're quite obviously going to get shit wrong with a fair degree of regularity. Who gives a fuck? Who gives a fuck? Give them an out to the best extent possible to correct for that. That's what we need to do. So these consequences are not so, oh my God. Are you off?

I thought I heard in that. I thought I heard that you were offering, why do we not have three officials watching a match instead of just the referee? So I know, for example. Like a volleyball chair, like looking in. You should have one there, right? Right. You have the line judge and then the head judge in tennis, whatever the different names are.

I know in racquetball, there's an A judge and a B judge. It's things like that. There are systems in place where one is hierarchically bigger than the other one, but there's a lot of different rules going to play. It seems insane to me that we haven't done that, especially because the consequences are fucking grave in certain cases and dire. And we're like, well, they done goofed. On to the next one that was an

interesting thought because even if it's just for like championship fights think of how the playoffs in the in baseball they put the extra umpires down the foul lines like just to like make sure they get it right in the key moments you could definitely have somebody sitting with a photo where the camera guy is on top of the cage looking in somebody um on a monitor i don't know like you just feel like there should be instant resolution on some of this stuff rather than missing it altogether right there should be a process for correcting for error like on a better one and a better well some states have instant replay oh my god motherfuckers there should be so much more we're doing but that costs money and that's the other problem, too. Like, dude, again, I keep saying it.

Maybe handing the keys over to the commission was what MMA needed to do to survive. But holy shit, man. I mean, they are going to drive that Buick slow. They're not going to change anything. They're not going to update the cassette player. They're not going to do shit in that fucking thing. Would it be fair or unfair to frame the recent issues that hardcore

MMA fans have had with the UFC matchmaking to the idea that maybe Dana is spending too much time with 20-year-old influencers at blackjack tables and not as much time with the matchmakers getting this shit to look good and feel good dude

we gotta get we gotta like we gotta buy unfair we gotta buy a prostitute who will then blow one of these influencers and then she'll like she'll be she'll wear a wire is that what you're saying yeah we'll either we'll either blackmail them to get us. I just want to be in those rooms when. When they logic it out? No, no, no, no. When they're just tossing money to the creators. You know what I mean? Here's this bag of 250K.

Just set it on fire if you want to. We're going. I want to be in the room. So we've got to pay a hooker to blow one of these guys. Wow, okay. To get us in the room. I think that's a little too graphic and intense right now. What's your plan?

Yeah. I don't see you trying to find any solutions, BC. Wait, you want to blow them? That's fine. Go blow them. Wow. Dude, do you think it's more stress to be a boxing referee because it's more closely aligned with death, unfortunately, of a guy taking one too many clean punches?

Yeah, dude. You've got to bear witness to savagery, round after round of it, man. I read Tony Weeks gave his first interview, and he said that. Oh, yeah, I read it too. Yeah, he felt like he may have missed that the knockdown was not a clean punch. It was clearly a push. And he thought because the guy was 40, he had just been punched clean, and then he was taking a couple decent shots.

I mean, obviously, he's not trying to bail himself out. He accepts that he probably made a mistake. No, he was a little bit defiant. Yeah, a little bit defiant. He was a little defiant. Maybe I misread it, but I thought he was saying, yes, he admits he didn't have the best angle, and then he admitted later that the punch, the punches Rollie were throwing didn't land.

But he did stand by that he had seen, what's his face, get knocked down. And so he was going in with the mindset that he got knocked down. It's like, dude, how the fuck did you miss that? And if your answer is you weren't in the right position, well there's the fucking answer what was the name of the guy he fought um ismael barroso barroso i mean tony was really framed it as he had care and concern for a four-year-old and he basically specifically said if it was a 25 year old fighter look what that got him but so do you think it has to be connected with what weeks was why aren't we talking about pornography why are we talking about pornography?

Why would I want Tony weeks? Yeah, I like Tony weeks. I don't want this controversy to be linked with him All right. Oh god. That was an all-time bad stoppage. I mean, they just don't come much worse than that Yeah, he fucked that one up big damn, right? Yeah Answer the pornography question oh by the way were you into the Beastie Boys Check Your Head record when they played their own instruments

and were kind of like an alternative band I was never a big Beastie Boys guy I didn't go too deep I was a little bit in the early 80s yeah like

No Sleep Till Brooklyn and all that stuff what's the one with the airplane on the cover the best one Paul's no Paul's Bout the cover the best one Paul's Paul's Boutique

is the other one which is amazing as well this is License to Ill License to Ill maybe I don't remember

yeah I forgot but yeah apparently the answer is no Luke yeah I wasn't a big everyone loved Sabotage I don't hate Sabotage

but I don't like you know and then what was the other one Intergalactic Planetary Planet intergalactic yeah I mean that one is kind of catchy but he was like I'll stir fry you in my walk and I'm like you won't you won't because I'm not going to listen to this you okay see I didn't draw the line there I went to the next one the four boroughs I kind of drew the line after that but um yeah I didn't you know I

haven't gone ham on them I've've always hated the whites, BC. It really has been a long statement. Did you have any connection? I was hating Whitey before hating Whitey was cool. Wait, did you have any connection with Colombian culture before meeting your wife? No, no, no, no, nothing. I knew nothing about South America in any kind of informed way until I met my wife. And even now it's obviously quite conditional.

Do you feel confident that if you flew to Columbia right now alone, you can completely navigate the entire process on your own? Yes. Yes. And you have never feared for your life? My life? No. No.

The lives of those around you? No. No. Like, sometimes you wonder about your property. Okay. Okay. But no, not my life. Never that.

Dude, the green goes down there, man. You know, they don't know what the fuck they're doing. Like, these people go down there and, like, my wife was telling me, like, you know, certain things, like, don't wear certain things that they just know. You're creating yourself as a target, you know. She was like, don't wear fucking Birkenstock. I don't have any, but She was like, don't wear fucking Birkenstock. I don't have any, but she was like, don't wear fucking sandals in Bogota. Like, don't fucking do it.

And sure enough, we went by this place where a lot of Americans are, and there were so fucking many. Yeah, what do you think you'll step in? The Newark train station? Yeah. You'll catch that? It was like that, and it was, you know,

don't walk around with your phone out like that. You'll get your phone snatched, shit like that. You know, and these fucking gringos, they just don't know what they're doing, dude. They think they're going to Europe. And it's like, well, actually, that's not even true because, dude, pickpocketing in Spain is a

epidemic. But the point I'm trying to make is, like, you know, these are poor people in certain parts that live in South America, man. And that changes the rules up a lot. And, you know, that live in South America, man. And that changes the rules up a lot. And, you know, these are fucking hungry people, man. You travel like a dumbass. You're going to pay for it.

Traveling too aggressively internationally scares me. Like, my wife, at one point, we were going to, like, fly to Costa Rica and drive two hours up the mountains. Nah, fam. And she's like, you can do that fine. And I'm like, you know, I probably could pull it off, but it intimidates me still on the level that driving on the other side of the road would intimidate me, too. Yeah, I don't think I've done that.

I've obviously been in a car that was on the other side, but I don't know if I've ever driven one. But, dude, this is the trick to traveling. I don't know about, like, parts of Asia or the Middle East because it's been so long since I really did that. In a part, that was reason. I mean, I haven't been to Israel in quite some time. So, you know, I don't know about that.

But like through South America, what I can say is the one key to doing it right, if you don't like have a better clue, is like just make sure before you go to a place, you have some kind of organized service for whatever you want to do. So if you want to go from the hotel, excuse me, the airport to the hotel, don't wave a taxi down.

Again, there could be an airport where you can wave a taxi down. It's not a big deal. But if you just want to be certain about it, arrange your travel ahead of time. Go to a hotel with a concierge. Don't go to some fucking hostel where they're not going to help you or whatever. Some Airbnb where you just have to punch in the numbers and no one directs you around town. You might get shivved too. Yeah, you might get fucking one of these.

That was a little too, like you were kind of into it. So go to a place where there's a concierge. If you want to go on a boat tour, don't go to the fucking dock and sign up. Sign up ahead of time and then meet someone there. Have a chaperone essentially for these things and you will be fine. You will be fine. Luke, what does your life look like at age 60? Oh God. Pathetic.

Oh, come on. You're not even a kid. Just crying and masturbating in the shower. Okay. Well, this is, wow. I mean, you could be a grandfather at that point. I hope I'm not a grandfather in 17 years. My daughter's only four. That's a fair point. Okay. I'm not asking for that equation to work out. But, Luke, what does it look like? Are you still doing this shit? I don't know how that's possible, honestly. I don't know if the audience will have me 17 more years.

17 more years of this? They want me for 17 more years? I don't believe that. Is it possible that at age 60 you could be on, like, year 15 of your return to YouTube? Your, you know, whatever forum or platform is the main thing and you are back, one man show, trust, don't,

DTA, don't trust anybody. You know what I mean? Like just the Luke Thomas Express. Could be. Could be. I mean, I don't know. But who, dude, what the fuck is the internet

going to look like? What is media going to look like? You're going to have to put on the goggles to watch the Luke Thomas show. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, dude, I don't even, I mean, this is,

we got into the worst industry. I mean. Luke, I'm in the entertainment industry. I don't know what industry you're in. You're in the adult entertainment industry. Oh, no, no, no, no. Oh, man. I want to call more fights.

You know how fun calling fights is? Yeah, I know. That's what I want to do, too. Damn. Dude, they don't have many of those jobs, I've noticed. You can't just go on hotjobs.com. I want to be a poker. I want to call fights. There's like three of these jobs.

And everyone who has them is like great at it and been there a long time. You're like, fuck. I want to swim in that pool, though. I do. I want to swim in those checks. Even if I know you're going to piss in that pool, just not even care, just constantly, right? What app would you say you use the most

to watch whatever you watch the most? Where are you spending it? I don't like the direction that this is going. No, I'm saying Netflix. Oh, I thought you were talking about Parallel Plus.

No, no, no. What app do I go on the most? I would say Twitter. No, for viewing things, like actual entertainment. Oh, when I'm making the choices just myself, I would say YouTube is my number.

Really? Does it count the times that I'm listening to records then watching on YouTube with the sound off 90s NBA basketball games? Because that's pretty much my life at this point. I don't think that counts. Is that a sad existence? It's a little.

Jesus. All right, a little bit sad. Okay, so if that doesn't count, what was the original question again? What app do you use to watch the most things? Okay, if that's not the setup, then I would guess Prime. Because they have the best music documentary selection compared to any other app I Used to subscribe to a subscription within that subscription for like even better music documentaries for like seven dollars a month But that was like this game a look ups, you know excessively the most expensive thing you ever bought drunk online

I've never had the excess funds to do that I did it once I didn't have the funds either just to be clear yeah I mean I mean sometimes I had them but I didn't that was a bad thing yeah I did it yeah I kept it too it was a it was a tiny grill but it was expensive it's was like 200 bucks. You still use it? No, it was a long time ago. You still have it, though? No, no. I kept it for many years after that, but I don't have it now.

Yeah. You should move outside of the District of Columbia and get back into the real... Why don't you go gargle your El Romero's balls? Get back into the real United States. Look, what about a... What's not real about my neighborhood, motherfucker? Nothing. What about a... This is not real about my neighborhood, motherfucker? Nothing. What about a...

This is not... You're not running from anything. This is just a reintroduction of Luke to the United States, okay? I'm not sure how much I want to make that.

You go... You commit to three years in the Midwest. You can pick the area, but you have to take the family, you know... Dude, St. Louis is depressing.

You could do Illinois out in like a Chicago and suburb. Chicago is great. I like Chicago is depressing. You could do Illinois out in like a Chicago suburb. Chicago's great. I like Chicago. You would? Here's cities I would live in. Okay, so let's say that I woke up tomorrow and I had $25 million in my bank account. Hold on, hold on.

But seriously, now you get to just pick. No, but that's the difference because when the money gets to that level, now you're talking about the coast in California, Hawaii. You can do crazy shit without money. Okay, I don't mean it in that way, but I just mean here are the cities I could see myself living in if money wasn't a tremendous issue. Okay, how about if you were doing two and a half times better than you are now? Okay, two and a half. Okay, okay.

Okay, that's pretty good. I could live in New Orleans. I think New Orleans is one of America's best cities. I could live in Chicago, though it gets fucking cold, so we'd have to be in Cartagena for six months, but I could call it home.

What about Charleston? Charleston, South Carolina is extremely charming. I wouldn't necessarily want to live there, but it is a wonderful, amazing place. I was impressed.

I was really impressed by it. Florida, you can just sing into the ocean. Okay, but what about the western side? Just kiss your parents goodbye. What about the western side, but the white sand, like Naples and that kind of shit? No, no can just sink into the ocean. Okay, but what about the western side with the white sand

like Naples and that kind of shit? No, just let it go. Just let it go. Just let it sink into the Everglades. Oh, wow.

So forget that. That's not for me. I could live in Denver. I like Denver a lot. I think Colorado is pretty special. San Diego

is great. They say if you go there, you don't ever want to live anywhere else but there for the rest of your life. Luke, it's like a disease that gets on you. San Diego. I've only been there for one half day of my life,

so I can't give you that answer, but the food's tremendous, Luke. Like on the mom and pop diner level, it's just tremendous. And the Marine Corps has obviously a big presence there, which I like. And then honestly, I mean, you know, I could be persuaded into living in L.A., but I wouldn't choose it, you know, at all. The city where I want to live the most, and this has always been true, I think New York City is the greatest city in the world.

And I've seen some great fucking cities. I think New York City is the greatest city in the world. And it's just too expensive for people like me. If you're doing two and a half times, dude, you could... If I was doing two and a half times, I could afford it. But even then, dude, like, okay, even if I was making... I wouldn't say you'd be rich at that point, but... Even if I was making two and a half times what I'd be making,

I'd be living nicely in New York. I would hardly be one of the wealthier people in New York. Like, far, far fucking from it. You'd pull it off, but it wouldn't be, like, overly glamorous. Yeah, you'd be comfortable in a way that people who didn't understand the context would think,

oh, he has an okay life and not really, I think you're actually pretty rich, but that's it. Like, you couldn't live

ostentatiously. I'd have to live in like, you know, the middle of nowhere to do that. Dude, I think living in Manhattan, for example,

would drive, would drive my stress levels like an anxiety through the roof. Nah. I love New York City. I fucking love New York City. It's a great city.

I mean, New York City is my city. I mean, I've had, you know, I've had a rocky relationship with it at times and didn't appreciate it or didn't know it and took it for granted. But now, I mean, I love it. But with that said, Luke, it's a wild ride. I mean, it's a rough. It's a one and a half. You know what I mean?

It's like when you speed up podcasts. You know what I'm saying? By the way, I have friends who are like, yeah, I listen to your podcast. Well, on two times speed or whatever. I'm like, no, that doesn't mean that you're not showing me respect. So I listen to us on 1.1. No, I've said this before and I mean it. If it's somebody that you care about and you listen to it on anything faster than the speed it gets delivered in,

then, you know, it's disrespectful. Just don't listen at all, all right? Don't listen. And listen to us on one word. Because, you know, like there's, you know, there's a mood, there's a vibe to the show. Dude, you're not writing speeches out there. You're just jacking off. You can get high off this show if you watch it, you know, if you watch it the right way.

You know what I'm saying, Luke? And, you know, we want to put our hands to the screen and massage our audience in a way, right? And just take them on the rollercoaster ride of emotions through the ups and downs, the highs and lows of men,

the growth, right? That's what our documentary series used to provide, that glimpse. But I think all that's dead. I mean, Jake, where's documentary number eight? What are we on, eight, Luke?

Where is it, Jake? Who cares? They did like five people watched them. Okay, but they were tremendous, right? They were tremendous. They were art. True or false, there was some art there. There was some art.

Yeah. But I had a couple of great lines that never saw the light of day. Yeah, they were a little aggressive. They were fucking great. Yeah. We got to call it a day. No, but you look back on that series and say, you know what? I certainly made it better, but, you know, did I consistently bring my A game every episode?

Dude, I don't care about bringing my A game to that shit stack for five seconds. Well, there's certainly times when you're not providing, like when you don't sell for it, that it's just perfect. But there's definitely some of those docs, I remember, where you're just like, yo, fuck this, I'm not. You were like, you Nate Diaz that shit. You totally were like, counterculture, fuck you. You know what I mean?

Made for great material. You're like, die, you know? And let's see your phone case. Is it the Metallica cover? No, no, no. This does make me think of Jimi Hendrix every time I see it. You know, it's kind of like a...

Was the cover of Load, was it blood and semen serious question um i hope not right i hope not that's what was that the more i think about it like metallica is amazing the prime run is amazing dude i have had you know like anybody else like stretches of time in my musical fandom with certain albums like Appetite. Or not Appetite, like And Justice For All. I'm sorry. But they're kind of lame, especially the older they get.

Yeah, dude. You know what I mean? They're kind of lame. Metallica used to be like, dude, I used to love Metallica. They were, even through my 20s, they were still maybe my favorite band ever. And then, Not as lame as Kiss, by the way. But kind of lame. Dude, I think people who like Kiss just

shoot them into a rocket and never, like, leave Earth. And I actually know people that care about that, love Kiss, and you have to, like, juggle that, you know? To me, it's a litmus test. Like, if you like Kiss, you don't deserve life. I mean, how far away is Kiss from ICP? I mean, really, right?

Dude, juggalos of a different era is what they are. Just fucking juggalos. You're right, generations. Just generational juggalos. We paint our face, dude. Get the fuck out of here. Kiss has the worst music ever made. Suck a fat dick. I don't know. Beth is kind of a jam, though, right?

But what I would say is Metallica, they just turned into dad rock. It just got, I don't know, it got a little goofy. I kind of checked out. Do you like Master of Puppets better than Injustice for All? I think the best Metallica album is Master of Puppets, yes. Okay. I like that you said that.

And I know that there's a lot of people that will say Kill Em All, but even though I... Kill Em All is the rawest. It can't be your favorite. Yeah, that can't be like the... It's not the best. But there are people that you said that and I know that there's a lot of people that will stay at Kill Em All but even though Kill Em All is the rawest it can't be your favorite it's not the best but there are people that will say that Master of Puppets was them absolutely

I think Pound for Pound Master of Puppets is the best but I think Injustice for All has high just some high moments Injustice for All

was just such a fuck you record Shortest Straw dude that thing Harvester of Sorrow Harvester of Sorrow bangs dude that whole album bangs people donester of sorrow yeah harvester of sorrow bangs dude that whole album bangs people don't do people put it in like the back and black conversation where it's

like start to finish no filler they put they put the black album for metallica which is to be not fair because that's when they really begin to be something else yeah you gotta call it a day dude because i gotta call my kid you know i i could do a um a living podcast if you want 24 7 you need to figure out even though i've gone oh and five 24-7. You need to figure out, even though I've gone 0-5 twice on OK Bet, you need to figure out what concert you're going to. That's what you need to figure out. I've got a lot of time to get back into this, but I'm out of here, Luke. Say goodbye.

Oh, there's the wipe I was looking for. Bye. Later. Hey, I need my microphone, Dick. I'm a little bit of a dick.