MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Ryan Garcia's Shocking Upset Over Devin Haney, Mike Perry Interview | Morning Kombat

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

One of the most shocking boxing results in a LONG time happened this weekend and the boys are back break it down. Ryan Garcia stunned Devin Haney via majority decision. How did Garcia do it and why didn't any of us see this coming? Was this the greatest troll job since Ali-Liston I, thus necessitating a full apology from the media for its aggressive concern of Garcia's mental well-being? How bad of a loss was this to Devin Haney's P4P reputation and where do both boxers go from here? Plus, Dana White's UFC 300 victory lap, PBC announced a Gervonta Davis/David Benavidez doubleheader PPV and Mike Perry joins the show LIVE! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Wow, yeah. Hey, how are you? We're back at it with an absolute bang. Monday, the deuce-deuce of April 2024. A tradition like no other. Morning combat on your Monday morning. The king of CT, Brian Campbell, coming at you across from me. Salt and pepper to the ninth

degree over there. Living large from the D.C. It's Luke Thomas. What's up, buddy? How are you? I'm great and it's great to see you. It's great to be here. Manhattan Metal Lark Studio. Shout out to DraftKings. John Skipper's here. Shout out to John Skipper just outside this studio.

And shout out to us doing what we love. Thank you to our great audience. And Luke, we are coming off an absolutely breakthrough, incredible Garcia Haney pay-per-view over the weekend. We've got Mike Perry in the building on this show today, 1215 Eastern time to get you fired up for Saturday's Knuckle Mania pay-per-view. And of course, I've got an iconic batch of shit coming your way. But, Luke Thomas, how you doing, man?

Tired. Very tired. My family was gone. I did not go on vacation with them. So you had nine days at home as a bachelor taking care of the animals, walking around pantsless, and acting like you were cutting through first class on an airplane by just sharecropping your entire house and the walls.

I would say not sharecropping. I would say crop dusting. Crop dusting. Similar, though. I would not be getting the better end of the deal if I was sharecropping. But just the same. Dude, I got to tell you, back-to-back UFC 300 and then Haney Garcia, it's just a lot to deal with. I know.

I came from vacation to the Baddest Tour starring Nate Diaz and Oriyama Oswalt. So it's been a wild week just the same. Which was kind of bad, the Baddest Tour. It was interesting. We'll get into a little bit of that as the show progresses. Can you hear me okay? I can hear you just fine. But don't forget, obviously all things Haney Garcia coming your way. We'll have Mike Perry.

We'll get my reaction to yet another Dana White media takedown video and big 300 victory lap that we got coming our way which is interesting are you amazed that once again i didn't make the cut i mean at this point luke they're either purposely jabbing you or they just don't give a damn about you it's either they really can't stand me or they really don't know anything about me like who has more who's more aware of your coverage right now your Your siblings or Dana White?

It's a fair question, right? It shouldn't be. The answer should not be Dana White, but it's 100% Dana White. Long Island Luke on the ones and twos, and of course morningcombat.store. You can go right now. RJ Dunkelbottom will be there. You can pick up that. Fantastic. What about, Luke, if we get a MK hockey jersey? Would we

sell it? Dude, I would wear the shit out of an MK hockey jersey. It's also playoff season. It is? Are you a Rangers guy? No, I was a Whalers guy, then I became a Bruins guy, and now I'm just a guy. The Rangers are playing the Caps in the playoffs, so I didn't know. Yeah, Ovechkin's still netting, huh? It's possible, possible he's going to catch Gretzky in the season.

It's possible. Netting Yahoo. Yeah, all right. Heyossible he's going to catch Gretzky in the season. It's possible. Netting Yahoo. Yeah, alright. Hey, let's get into the damn show here. Topic number one to start things off on this big Monday morning in NYC. MK on the DK and all that. Meet me on the D. Thank you. Alright, here we go. Ryan Garcia

of course nearly broke the internet Saturday night. Barclays Center, Brooklyn, New York. DAZN pay-per-view as a monster underdog against the eight-in-one favorite, unbeaten, pound-for-pound ranked Devin Haney for what we thought would be a WBC lightweight title. Garcia missed weight, potentially purposefully. We'll get into all of that.

But at the end of the day, Ryan Garcia got the last laugh, dropping Devin Haney three times in route to a monster majority decision upset that led MMA sites over the weekend was the biggest news in combat without question. So Luke putting aside, if you can, cause we're going to get to it, but putting aside the pre-fight narrative about mental health and all the

theatrics from Garcia, I want to know how he did it. And even more specifically, why didn't we see this coming on Saturday that he was going to win a decision against one of the pound for pound best. Very quickly. Let me just make one point if I may, about why we know that Garcia couldn't win the title because he missed weight and folks are like, okay,

but didn't Haney then basically forfeit it as a consequence? No. So what ended up happening was for folks folks who may not realize, it was not a junior welterweight fighter or super lightweight. It was not at 140. It was originally scheduled at 140, but after Garcia missed by a pretty substantial margin, 3.2 pounds, they had to make it a non-title catchweight. Which caused some wrinkling in boxing because in similar situations in the past, they make it so the champion could lose the title, but the challenger who missed weight cannot win it.

And in this case, Mauricio Suleiman of the WBC basically just said, no, Haney's still the champion. That ruffled some feathers. Yes, which I realize is a controversial call on its own, but if you're just wondering why Haney is still the champion despite losing. That's why. Okay. Brian, you were not here this particular week in question where in this very studio... The honky-tonk man was in here apparently. Yes, he was. During the course of that broadcast with one Chuck Mendenhall,

we were talking about Haney Garcia and I had said specifically, Devin Haney is going to tune Ryan Garcia up like a guitar. And, well, it turns out that that may not have happened exactly. And, in fact, it didn't happen at all that way. In fact, it went the exact opposite of that way. So let me just say this first. I saw what Tim – do you see see Tim Bradley who was one of these guys

who like me was it is here's my Tim said I would quit if Ryan Garcia puts you so here's the mistake that I think Tim is making

and Paulie Malignaggi was the same thing and Chris Algieri too so I'm in some decent company but a lot of them are trying to say okay I got it wrong but I'm not going

to do that today I got it wrong and let's try to figure out exactly what I got wrong because your question let's try to figure out exactly what I got wrong. Because your question was, why didn't so many of us see it? It wasn't just media. Now I was loud and arrogant and dismissive. So you had a reason to spoiler alert. You had a reason to, okay. That is true. And we'll talk about some of the elements here that there was reason for skepticism about Ryan Garcia about that. I don't think there's much debate.

However, clearly underestimated what Garcia is capable of doing, even in whatever state he was in. Sure. Second part. I cannot speak for anybody else, but I can speak for me. I think Devin Haney is a talented fighter, And I think at 25 years of age, it would be very foolish to say someone that disciplined, that hardworking, with these kinds of wins and the momentum he had coming in here, will not recapture glory at some point in the future. But I can just say personally, I did not fully respect Ryan. I did not fully appreciate Devin Haney's

defensive lapses, which Ryan feasted on. Yes, in shocking manner. And so therefore, I didn't understand both guys, which meant I didn't properly understand how they matched up together. My biggest takeaway, BC, and there's so many different directions we could take this

conversation, so I don't know exactly where you want to start, but my big, big takeaway, like, how did I get it so wrong? How did I see it so far apart from what actually played out? It is that I didn't understand what Ryan Garcia was capable of, even in a, whatever state you want to say he's in. And I also overestimated what Devin Haney had accomplished. BC, I'm going to say this. Except for George Kambosis, show me a good win that he has with anyone in their 20s, or I should say at a bare minimum, in their prime. Right, but I'm not going to discount the Lomachenko win by saying he's not in his 20s or his tier prime.

So I was like, again, what did I miss in the Lomachenko win? And I went back and I looked at it. Devin Haney, first of all, he got rattled a little bit there at the end of that fight. But the point I wanted to make was Lomachenko was noticeably smaller. I know they're the same weight class for that fight. But just from a frame versus frame, it wasn't the same. Dude, the pop that Ryan Garcia had is much better than what Lomachenko has, relatively speaking, obviously. And the size difference between them, everything.

So Devin Haney could not stand up to the firepower. And some of the defensive lapses that I look the other way on, and everyone brought up the Linares fight. You don't even have to go to the Linares fight. You can go to the Lomachenko fight. There was a lot of times he got caught, squared up. And you always wonder, like, how does Devin Haney get caught standing out at range and just gets his head popped back?

It's partly because of his stance. It's partly because of his anticipation. Ryan Garcia, for anything else you want to say, and I want to pitch it back to you on this, BC, so many different elements here. That's my Devin Haney takeaway. My big takeaway from Ryan Garcia was I didn't like that he wasn't forced to lose weight, but at the same time, coming in and whatever drinking he was doing could not have boosted his performance. There are still some questions about this performance, the shoulder rolling, the fighting and spurts. No doubt. It was also a

close fight that people don't want to recognize that it was a close fight in terms of scoring. Not in terms of visual impact. But Ryan Garcia and Derek James had a very good game plan. Ryan's left hook is one of the most devastating left hooks in the entire business, but it wasn't just the left hook that won him this.

They made adjustments. We'll talk about them throughout this fight. Ryan Garcia was flatly better than Devin Haney. Maybe he was bigger. Maybe he was, I don't even know if he was sober for the fight. Right. But he was better than Devin Haney, not just because he got the knockdowns,

but because he could build on them and show an array of full weapons. Everyone wants to make it about the left hook. Played a monster role. That is not the only reason that Devin Haney touched the canvas three times. Yes, because Ryan's always had that left hook, and he had that left hook against Gervonta.

The question was, could he use his delivery system to land it and then avoid the big mistakes that would lead to him. Like, why do we so aggressively pick against Ryan Garcia here? One, there was a legitimate debate about whether he lost his mind. And we're going to have that debate in topic two. And it plays a big role, not just in the narrative, but also did he get in Devin Haney's head? And I think to a large degree, he did.

But Luke, the reason why we counted Ryan Garcia out so aggressively from a betting odds standpoint and from a prediction standpoint was this. He's super talented enough physically to get himself to the dance. No one's ever argued that. Anyone that says, oh, he's just an Instagrammer, just a wannabe model. No, he had a very good amateur career and physically his tools are off the charts, but he had yet to put all the tools together in a big fight to give us confidence that he wouldn't implode. So now he's going in there against somebody who's unbeaten, one of the technical best in the game.

And somebody who had 25 just has, or had a level of in-fight maturity that, that is more like a prime 33 year old pound for pound. Great. So we couldn't have seen this coming because we couldn't have anticipated the real reason Ryan won this fight. He won this fight, and it's crazy for me to say it now

based on his antics, with maturity. He won this fight with in-ring maturity, something that was never there. That's why when Gervonta Davis landed that big punch early, it took him out of that game completely. He went from trying to be a hunter and being confident

to being, you know, a shriveled up, let me just, you know, wait for the ending. And once he finally opened up a second time, Gervonta got him out of there to the body. In this fight, there were so many subtle points of maturity. When he hurt Devin Haney in round one, he didn't rush in for the knockout and gas himself out. When he would land successful shots later in the family.

You can always make the argument that there was a big opening there to finish Haney. And maybe if he was a little more aggressive, he could have, but him not being overly aggressive in that allowed him, in my opinion, to fight 12 rounds, to be able to stay that poise,

to keep his weapon there and not overexpose himself. And ultimately it was what he learned against, uh, Gervonta Davis that I think fueled the maturity of why he won this fight. He learned just like Canelo against Floyd. Ryan learned a big lesson in boxing etiquette and leverage from an A-side position against tank. Ryan had to bend over backwards to make that fight happen.

He had to make the zone, take a backseat to showtime, right? All these things, but most importantly, the rehydration clause. For a kid that big, who's one day going to be a welterweight, super welterweight, maybe middleweight. I mean, he's, you know, big, long, big shoulders. He was compromised. He came in this time and basically said, I'm not going to let somebody compromise me again.

He learned the ultimate hard lesson that he had to in that fight. And this time around, he was the one who forced the size advantage against Haney. We remember Haney put on, what, 25 pounds extra in rehydration against Progray. You know Team Garcia knew that. There's a lot of complaints, right? Lomachenko said it himself after the Haney fight.

I'm fighting a guy that's really like three divisions bigger than me. So what did Garcia do? No, he didn't sign once again at a catchweight or a rehydration clause and came in. He purposely rigged the system just like Floyd Mayweather did against Juan Manuel Marquez, just like Danny Jacobs tried to do against Golovkin and almost, almost pulled off an upset. He purposely missed weight to give himself that physical advantage. But Luke, this upset would never happen if Ryan Garcia, in my opinion, didn't start maturing and listening to training for the first time in his career.

He looked really good for a couple fights under Eddie Reynoso. But the narrative became that it doesn't matter what world-class trainer you put in front of Ryan. If he's not going to listen to him, you can get all of them. You can get Freddie Roach. You can get anybody in here. There seemed to be something about fight number two with Derrick James and maybe the idea that Ryan was using this wave of attention and controversy to distract everybody from what was really going on behind the scenes. But you know what was really going on behind the scenes, Luke?

Subtle defensive updates that removed Ryan from the one reason that we thought he would implode. One big technical error, or maybe if he hunted Haney and couldn't find him, we thought he'd get frustrated and he would eventually self-destruct and implode. That never happened. And it was aided by the weight advantage and it was aided by that left hook in round one, which disciplined Haney and had him coming from behind. 45 seconds. But Luke, I rewatched this fight twice. So I got it, what, 47 more times to get up to a true expert speed?

46, bitch. You already watched it once the first time. I didn't know what. No one told me to be math. I really saw so many subtle improvements and you could say when you're looking at are they really improvements or is he just ironing out his major deficiencies whatever they are he took a major leap forward from the standpoint of poise and all of these elements the skill was never the issue now he's still a limited one he's still a limited one punch fighter but you know what he wasn't doing this

fight like he did against tank and everybody else backing up with his chin up and his hands back he did it once and got caught with a big left hook in round three and he looked so mad and he did the mani pacquiao punch your gloves together and he got fired up and he did not make that mistake again we don't have this great story and by the way i'm not mad that ryan won this this is great in boxing boxing's too predictable at times at the highest level. He flipped it upside down, and now it's chaos, and it's great. But Ryan doesn't get there if he doesn't mature in the past year since the tank fight. And obviously, we didn't see it coming, but how could we with the smoke screens he was putting out there? Kudos to Ryan.

He got that done. But I think it was the— There were some people who anticipated a Ryan Garcia win who are just bullshitting. Listen, I got it comically wrong, like confidently and arrogantly wrong so i picked it out one punch knockout for what i'm saying is when people like me i think you have a responsibility to be like okay here let me audit all the things that i got wrong there's a lot of people pretending that they actually picked garcia that they actually didn't and now they're just jumping on you know sure mistakes jumping on that haney sucked and he always sucked which couldn't be further from the truth. But Luke,

when we were handicapping this and we, we, we tried to highlight the truth that really the best bet you could have made from like a standpoint of potential money you can make was Garcia by knockout. We knew he had the puncher's chance of coming in. Right. I thought it would come down to like one punch that he would need one big one to really hurt Haney and give him one shot at finishing him.

I didn't see the sustained kind of smart poised beating that he ultimately gave, even though I thought Ryan lost a lot of rounds in between those knockdowns. But Luke, if I had to answer the question of how did he actually do it? We said, is there, you know,

we made the star Wars reference. We said, is there the one spot on the death star that Ryan could, could, could find and hit that as great as Haney is at distance control at defense at technique and all that, Luke, he did find the one thing. Because you know how they always say teams that press hate to be pressed?

You know what I mean? Fighters, I've found, that are in the elite level and they're used to having a wide speed advantage. Don't like when that gap is closed. Have an issue with that. That's the one time Haney had issues against Linares, who even though he was aftermarket and in his 30s still has that quick check left hook

and can surprise you. Same thing happened against Lomachenko, even though in his mid-30s and a lot smaller, had that speed that constantly caught Haney off guard, although I think Haney made great adjustments. This is the one kryptonite of Haney's game, and maybe it was the fact that they had the familiarity of six

amateur fights and the fact that that gave the familiarity of six amateur fights and the fact that that gave Ryan, we thought would be inflated confidence. We thought it'd be the wrong type of confidence, the confidence that doesn't necessarily recognize how much Haney has actually grown since they were 16 years old. But instead, somehow Ryan focused in on the one punch that he has that is next level and the one way to break down the defense of Haney. And that is with that rapid hook, check left hook, but he has to throw it as Haney is throwing. Haney would lead with the jab, come over with the right.

That's when you saw Ryan get in there with that check hook. And the fact that Haney couldn't catch up to it was mind-boggling, that he couldn't game plan around it since he's not Deontay Wilder in terms of rawness, but Ryan's got one punch, right? He does. I don't agree with that, actually. No, after watching the tape. Outside of when he squares up to go.

When Ryan is going downhill, he's dangerous as hell. When he's taking the lead, when he's squaring up and throwing combinations, that's the only time his right hand, in my opinion, is violent and valuable. Because he leaves that chin out there and says, Pinata, come get me. But as you saw, when he squares up and throws with those quick combos, he's dangerous. Outside of that, Luke, he doesn't use his right hand. I really don't agree with this at all.

Just break it down. Okay, so here's, again, I'm trying to learn from what I didn't see. Well, actually, I did see this in the fight, but I didn't see this before the fight. I didn't see it coming. So one of the big adjustments that Ryan made in this fight, so as you indicated, round one, Devin Haney, we have to talk about this too,

Devin Haney could not tolerate the punching power of Ryan Garcia at all. So that left hook comes right around the corner and it's, he's got him on skates. He survives and credit to Haney, by the way, I thought rounds two, three, four,

and five. He had won arguably six cutting off the ring. And I thought, Oh, this is how the fight's going to go. Ducking under the right. One of the key battles that happened was Haney had to figure out how to get out of the way of the left hook,

at least for that portion of the fight. It eventually all collapsed under him in the second half. But what he began to do, as you'll note, he began to duck to the backside knee. He began to get an anticipation he would faint or throw and then immediately duck to the backside knee. Garcia caught this. So Garcia, rather than going jab, hook,

he would jab or sometimes double up on the jab to force that same reaction out of Haney, and then he would come and follow with the chopping right hand over the other side. He caught him multiple times doing this. So what I'm trying to— Late in the fight, yes. Yes, more towards the second half of the fight. When he had him hurt, yeah, and it was excellent.

What I'm trying to point out to you is, I don't know if that's a staple weapon that he'll have in whatever subsequent bout he may go into. The point I'm trying to make is, here is a very clear case of Ryan Garcia landing his trademark weapon, someone showing a defense to it, and then him building a strategy to counter that defense. This happened multiple times to very good effect, and in fact

Haney had to go away from that, from the ducking, because that stopped working. So my point I'm trying to make is, again, what weapons does Ryan have? We may have to take a bit of a wait and see approach here. It looks like under Derrick James, they're not getting rid of what works. They're staying with what works.

But it looks to me like they're building around it in fortified ways, and that made a huge difference. And I saw a willingness to use the right hand that hasn't been there in recent fights. And it's not shocking, by the way. Oscar De La Hoya and Miguel Cotto, natural southpaws that fought in an orthodox stance, it took them a while for the right hand to become a weapon. I still don't think Ryan's is there,

but I see the development and the maturity under Derek James that's now starting to bring it out. But my point is, in reality, for somebody as great defensively with distance control and the mind that Heaney has at 25, he never should have got hit that many times. No.

It could be that he has, Ryan has his number. And by the way, like remember when Aris Lendi, Laura was on top and Alfredo Angulo of all people knocked him down twice and got him into this big war. It happens. Sometimes people just have the weird cadence, the off, you know, the can throw you different kind of shots you don't see coming. Madonna obviously was perfect and just being awkward in that regard. just have the weird cadence, the off, you know, that can throw you different kind of shots you don't see coming. Maidana obviously was perfect in just being awkward in that regard.

But in this case, there was one punch that was going to hurt Haney. It's just that I think that Ryan was way faster than Haney anticipated here. And I think Ryan has sharpened his skills under Derek James, where that left hand was consistently touching him. And here's ultimately the difference why I think Haney fell apart in the second half of this fight where he hadn't previously. We all knew that Ryan would be a potential handful in the first couple rounds, especially if he was going to fight extra rabid, which he didn't, by the way. He was poised and controlled.

He did fight confidently. Oh, yeah. And like I said, when he hurt him in round one, he didn't. I just want to add on to it. When you had said that he had fought in a more mature way and then you defined what that means, I do agree with that. I would add on to it. When you had said that he had fought in a more mature way and then you defined what that means, I do agree with that. I would also add to that, I thought this would lead to recklessness. So something else that I misjudged.

Exactly. I knew he'd be confident. I didn't realize the confidence would actually elevate his game against the guy who could not hurt Ryan and keep him off of him. And so it actually emboldened and made Ryan better rather than making him reckless and therefore hittable. Fully agree. Didn't see that coming. At the end of the day,

Haney should have been in our thought process. Good enough. Okay. Maybe he gets dropped once. Maybe he gets hit in the first round. Like you did with that left hook, but to figure it out and to how you laid out your right through rounds two through five,

Haney did figure it out. He ducked under that left hook, got inside, but Luke, he would get inside to land one shot and then hold. And ultimately, I think this is where he lost the fight. Let me explain it. What made Andre Ward great,

the undefeated retired Hall of Famer, was that even though we looked at him similar to Haney and said, okay, doesn't have big time power, not a knockout guy, obviously Olympic gold medalist, he's so skilled. But Luke, the difference between Andre Ward and his competitors in his biggest fights. Mikkel Kessler to kick off the Super 6 tournament. Karl Frotch in the finale of that tournament.

Sergey Kovalev in Ward's final fight. You know what the difference was, Luke? His ability to act like the bigger man and fight better on the inside backed up these bigger sluggers. And he found that they were vulnerable and they were where he wasn't. Luke, outside of the body work that Haney did when Ryan was turning his back to him completely, which we will get to,

it was a very dangerous strategy from Ryan. Outside of that, do you know what I didn't see all fight? I didn't see Devin Haney go into the body. Really, outside of a couple distance shots, Floyd Mayweather style to keep that distance. I didn't see him doing that. He's not a big body ability to fight on the inside, which is what took Andre Ward from a potentially very good fighter to a

hall of famer is something I think a lesson that he can only learn in the ring. So even though at 25 and even at 23, I mean, Devin Haney was arguably the fighter of the year last year, along with the new way they were in the race tight neck and neck. He always looks so much more mature than he should have been. He almost fell apart against Lomachenko late,

but he put it together in that final round and held tight and won a disputed decision. This was the lesson that as great as you are turning pro at 17 in Mexico, and he's always mentally been ahead one step ahead, I think this was the true lesson that he had to learn in the ring. And it was a perfect storm

that Ryan purposely came in overweight, had the physical advantage, and got to Haney early, and it just started to crumble. I'm still shocked that Haney fell apart in the second half. I'm also shocked that he showed enough heart to make it to the finish line. Another portion of this fight, first of all, there's so many elements to the story, but one of them has to be Harvey Dock, the referee.

I mean, here's why this is, we'll talk more about this in just a minute, but here's why this is such a bad and devastating loss, is that not just did Haney get knocked down three times and then quite literally badly beaten. His face looked a mess. There were some concerns about whether he had a broken jaw. He said on Twitter he didn't.

But nevertheless, he looked in rough shape when it was over. On top of that, BC, he had to hold on and wrestle his way just to survive some of those rounds like you look around seven and ten i believe when he gets rattled if there's still two plus minutes left in each of those rounds and there was clenching throughout the fight but in those desperate moments hanging on it looked like desperation it was desperation it was exactly desperation he didn't desperation. It was exactly desperation. He didn't even go for it in the final minute around 12 with the fight on the line.

In some ways, he was actually lucky to make it to the final bell. I wasn't sure he was going to be able to at certain points. It would really, really set him back. But getting back to Ryan Garcia here and all the things you've brought up and what makes him so successful in this regard, I do want to say this. People were asking how much does the 3.2 extra pounds matter,

and I realize that what's happening right now is that because Ryan proved people like me wrong and proved the world wrong, he is kind of surfing all this glory, and people, when you bring up the fact that he didn't make weight and didn't really try all that hard, they're saying, oh, you're just being a hater. You're getting in the way.

I'll meet them halfway on this. I don't think it's wrong to bring up the fact that he not only missed 3.2, the real sacrifice that he gets to avoid was just that, was the drain from having to make those last few pounds and what that would have potentially done to him. Let me ask you on that topic. Haney just moved up from 140. This is second, I'm sorry, from 135.

This is the second fight at 140. Didn't he look the last couple of days press conference way in like this was an extremely hard. You look gone. So Ryan not putting himself through that after doing that. I do think that plays a role that played or I'm saying it was a perfect storm of everything. However, I will say this when people talk about like all of Ryan's physical advantages. I'm not suggesting that him not making weight didn't play a role.

It did. What I'm also suggesting is he was seen in New York clubs drinking this week. He later said at the post-fight press conference, he drank every week. Part of the bitter pill for team Haney to swallow here is that you can say that Ryan had some physical advantages due to the weight miss and I won't fight you. On the other hand, what you cannot say is that you got a fully prepared, fully in shape, Ryan Garcia. Ryan also said to Chris Mannix in his post-fight interview that he had trouble going 12 rounds. You can just watch the tape. He's fighting in spurts. So for all the talk about Haney receiving physical advantage, excuse me, for all the talk about Haney receiving physical advantage, excuse me, for all the talk

about Ryan Garcia receiving physical advantages for not making weight, I'm open to that. At the same time, you also have to reconcile with the fact that you got a guy in there who was drinking his way through preparation that cut down what you had to face at the same time. I'm not saying it's a wash BC. What I'm saying is for as bad of a loss as it is for Devin Haney and for as much as you might want to couch it in, well, Ryan was bigger. Ryan was a drunk, and he still looked this much better. That is a tough thing to accept.

He stuck to the strengths, stuck to that left hook, never crumbled like we thought he would. You got to tip your hat to Ryan, but I want to reiterate one thing. For anyone to say, oh, you guys are stupid, how'd you not see this coming? We took an educated snapshot of the facts, but it wasn't like we never thought Ryan could do this, right? That's why it was tough

to see him get criticized by his own promoter for not getting off the canvas against Tank when he might have been able to get back up and fight. It wasn't great seeing him almost implode a few times outside the ring and inside the ring. But Luke, if you can take what he has, incredible natural gifts, again, a very good amateur background and the foundation to be great, and you can mix it with a world-class trainer

that he's going to listen to and the hunger that seems to be inside of Ryan to get into great shape and to at least like, Luke, he showed a survival spirit in there. I'm not going to say, you know, he didn't show a warrior spirit against Tank, came in with a preexisting rib injury. We didn't get to really see him in his element. But like, if it all comes together for him, if he's going to buy in, if he can iron out the craziness in his personal life and he can actually continue to evolve like this, this quickly, he really could be something more than just an attraction.

So that's why it's like part of you is obviously surprised, but it's also like, yes, finally, he's finally putting it together to a certain degree. I don't think that's wrong. I have complicated feelings about that too, BC,

because on the one hand he performed quite ably. I mean, this was in many ways, Ryan Garcia's best performance. It's certainly his best win. Without question. But at the same time, here's the kind of thing I want people to understand that I think is true upon subsequent viewing of this. Now that we have wrapped our minds around and processed what happened.

On the one hand, the offensive ability he showed, I didn't see. And the offensive iterations he was able to make, as I previously highlighted, really impressive stuff. On the other hand, not being able to fight a full 12 without having to, by his own admission, take time off. By his own admission, not having the cardiovascular conditioning. By his own admission, drinking through the course of the week. What I'm trying to say is we're calling it his best performance. If it is, and I'm happy to say that it is because of the outcome. What I'm,

I also think folks should be honest and cognizant about is a lot of folks want to compare Ryan Garcia to John Jones, right? Okay. John Jones never missed weight. Okay. Never. But I want to tell you, Ryan did this on purpose.

We got to get to this point. Ryan did this on purpose. Okay. We'll get to it on purpose. No, no. I just mean you need to come to this point in your head. Let's not act like he fumbled into this. He strategically did this.

Yes. Fine. He pulled the Floyd. He did it on purpose. I won't argue that. I won't argue that. All I'm trying to point out to you is I want to call it the best performance based on a few factors plus the outcome without looking the other way on, hey, did this guy really maximize his training?

No. By his own admission, he didn't. And so for that reason, I think we can still be critical while also acknowledging our faults about what we missed. As we transition from the physical of what happened in the ring to some of the narrative and the mental playoff, I did, though, want to talk quickly about the scoring. Majority decision.

One judge scored it 112-112, and it was 115-109. 114-110, I'm on board with. And 115-109. Luke, how did you score it on a rounds level, on a score level, and what were your thoughts on the score? Okay, so I lost track.

I was watching in real time, and I lost track once we got to the deep. Once he dropped him twice in rounds, or three times total, but then back-to-back in rounds 10 and 11, I had lost track. Also, again, getting back to Harvey Dock, we haven't had a conversation about it. Taking the point. It would be a bad night.

And Harvey Dock is usually pretty good, by the way. Harvey Dock was the referee in Haney versus Lomachenko. He's one of the best in the world. He's a conservative referee, and he's one of the best in the world. Again, he was the referee in Haney versus Lomachenko. You don't hear anybody complaining about that for a very good reason. But he took the point from Ryan when Ryan was punching on the clinch, and he was. But it's like, dude, Haney was hanging on to him for dear life.

What do you want Ryan to do? So that was a foul, but you can't offer that, in my opinion, in a fight that big without a warning or without, like you said, acknowledging the fact that Haney was on a run of holding that was getting— I'm not saying Ryan should have punched him the way he did. What I am saying is, under the circumstances, I kind of get it, and a stern warning would have been better because it was Haney hanging all over him. I forgot your initial question that I was trying to respond to. About whether you—like, which end of the scoring do you think was more accurate? So I thought 115-109, where Ryan wins eight rounds, is egregious.

That's high. I don't think he won eight rounds. Now, to be clear, the rounds that Ryan won were definitive. And that's what people still don't understand. And the rounds that Haney won were fine to marginal. Yeah. So in real time, I scored it 112-112. Okay.

I mean, I'm hardly in a position to talk based on how arrogantly I got it wrong. At the same time, and I'm not licensed as a judge either, you talk to people who have actually done it or are licensed through it, and their major takeaway is the average boxing fan, some hardcores notwithstanding, and media too, don't really know how to properly judge boxing fights. They don't understand. Guys, they don't put in a score and then add it up at the end in the sense of, oh, I'll change this one and match that one.

Around finishes, they put their score, they turn it in, it's locked for the rest of the fight. They cannot go back and change it. That's what it is. You know that this fight achieved its promise of bringing in a casual audience and an MMA audience for the mentions of how many people tell me that I don't know shit about boxing like they're prime Roger Mayweather. Look, I scored at 112-112 at one 12, one 12 mathematically. That's even that's a draw. Do I think Haney won the fight? No, but as Luke just said, it's like,

we have to do this every big fight when people are screaming robbery or, or you don't know shit about boxing. I had it six, six rounds, but then because of the, the, the knockdowns, he won. My score indicates that I had at seven, five Haney in real time real time. But to be fair, I'm tweeting in real time. I'm giving live scores to CBS Sports HQ. We're all sort of caught up in everything that's going on. I'm preparing my post-fight column with notes, all that stuff. But Luke, this is more comparable to like a Deontay Wilder fight where he's often losing at the point of scoring a knockout

or even the same scenario we had in Ngannou versus Fury where obviously Ngannou had the biggest moments, but that's not how fights are scored, folks, okay? And if I win a round just barely, and you dominate me but don't drop me, I'm sorry, the scoring is the same. For better or worse, usually worse. But in this case, Luke, I rewatched it.

I think six and eight are the swing rounds, and I think upon rewatch, I can give round eight to Garcia, where I originally gave it to Haney. And the points about six and eight being a swing round, I think, are Ryan got off in both rounds points about six and eight being a swing round, I think are Ryan got off in both rounds in the first 15 seconds, landing a multiple punch combination, but then doing nothing the rest of the round as Haney was cornering him, cutting off the ring.

I mean, Haney did something brilliant from rounds two through five that no one's given credit to after getting rocked early. He took back the control of the fight. He limited it to one punch at a time when Ryan can only throw one punch at a time. He's not dangerous one punch at a time. When Ryan can only throw one punch at a time, he's not dangerous, right? He's dangerous in flow with combination.

So in that regard, it was brilliant. But in round eight, Haney did not do as much getting inside, going to the body as I thought he did. So if I swing that round, I now have it seven to five for Ryan, but he would get the slight 113-111 with the knockdowns. Harvey Dock had an awful night, Luke. It wasn't just the point out of nowhere.

Some people think Harvey Dock went too far, and I think the two slips from Haney in round seven after he got knocked down once. You could have called one of those a knockdown. Actually, upon rewatch, I don't think either a knockdown. There was no punch. Haney was aggressively trying to fall forward and hold Garcia, which, again,

it would have been on Dock to warn him, which he never did. But Dock also did stuff the other way that I didn't like. Initially, when Ryan was turning his back, he was warning Haney not to punch him in the kidney area and the side of the ribs. And here's the deal on the spinning around. Obviously it looks horrible and the people like, well, I don't, people don't normally do that in boxing. Yeah. There's a reason. There's a two part reason. There's a reason guys don't show their back in boxing. Number one, you can get hit with a punch you don't see coming,

which is the number one reason not to turn your back or compromise your vision. And not every referee is going to save you. If referees are warning, like Harvey Dock was warning Ryan to stop turning his back, and you don't listen, they might let you just get hit clean to learn your lesson. There is one difference here with Ryan Garcia. He would turn away in other fights like this, but this time one of the slight differences, not every time, but many times, he would do it into the ropes, so there was no way to get to the other side angle of him.

Okay. It becomes a problem when from the middle and I turn, you can come to the backside and... But it's a twofold issue to try it like that. It's not just the idea you can get hit with something you don't see coming and the referee may not bail you out, but number two, if you turn your back on the action at any point you are no longer intelligently defending yourself and the referee has all rights to stop the fight right there and it's tko loss and when guys are getting hurt and they even show a hint of that a lot of referees will just stop the fight so we don't need to see that from ryan and that did open up body moments for haney i thought he stole round six from it even if haney overall was not going to

the body and i think that's a key why he lost. Luke, the scoring, though, to close, it's just one of those things that when you really understand how boxing is scored, Ryan did nothing in any of the rounds that he didn't land big shots in. He just did nothing. He got slowed down, cornered, and Haney was at least landing one punch cold. And I'm not saying I love that strategy, but that's more than Ryan doing nothing. People have to come to terms with that. Just because you watch a fight and somebody scores flashing knockdowns,

it doesn't automatically mean they won it. Ryan almost left that back door open in a big way. He risked. After the two knockdowns in round seven and ten, I was like, okay, if Haney rallies the last two, he should win this. The third knockdown, I thought that that was over for him, basically. But you're right that even with the two knockdowns through ten rounds, he still was potentially going to lose it. Now, let me ask you this one yeah we gotta have a difficult conversation here let's talk about what people are calling the troll job something i still don't

agree with but maybe you do question for you was this the greatest troll job since ali liston won thus necessitating a full apology from the media for its aggressive concern about garcia's mental well-being. Or did Garcia learn how much better he operates when the pressure is on and unhinged chaos becomes the norm? What do you think? People hate when we ask divisive questions and then give middle-of-the-road answers. But, like, the true answer is yes, yes, and yes, and all of the above here. Meaning this.

A lot of people coming at us on Twitter, and this is great because it's, again, Ryan flipped the script upside down. Now we've got all this great stuff to watch and talk about, and I'm happy for Ryan, by the way. But this whole idea that we owe Ryan an apology. If we predicted he'd get tuned up by a guitar or I predicted he'd get – Yeah, I was going to say, I think I do. I don't know about you. I predicted he'd get one punch knocked out.

So, yes, I owe him an apology on a bad prediction. He brought himself up to a level of coming close to fulfilling his potential in a weird way but yeah but do i owe him an apology for writing a column that i was concerned about his mental health and tweeting that like they need to save him from himself no people are telling me wow ryan achieved uh shutting you you ignorant boxing media up who constantly lie and don't tell the truth and constantly try to fool people. So he shut us up by completely fooling us in the scariest way possible. So look, do I think it was a troll job against Devin Haney? Yes, I think it was a troll job. I think aggressively Ryan tried to do the skit with the beer on the scales to just try to put out that he's insane.

He's not properly prepared for the fight. The same thing we all thought all along. And I think it actually worked against Haney. So if you want me to give Ryan credit, I will. But am I going to give Ryan credit for fooling all of us who cared enough about him? And we're actually publicly saying, you know what? At the end of the day, him taking clean punches to the head might not actually be the best potential scenario here. No, I'm not going to apologize for that.

Obviously, the New York State Athletic Commission, Oscar de la Hoya, golden boy promotions, DAZN, whoever are the adults in the room, I'm sure they did their due diligence to check him. And Ryan did have to pass mental tests and all of that. But Luke, I can act like an extreme creepy sexual man around your family members for a day, but I can't come the next day and be like, oh yeah, guys, I was just kidding. And be like, Luke, you still need to look me in the eye and have the same respect for me. You'd be like, no, get, get away from my family members. You creep show. I saw you putting your hands on my wife's legs. You know what I'm saying? Like you can't just act insane and then go, I was just acting insane. And then we're like, oh man, you got us. You need to be insane to act

insane like that. So what I actually think is what Ryan admitted after the fight was actually true. He talked about his divorce and the chaos he was living through. And yes, I do think this was a situation not completely similar to Floyd Mayweather's arc, but think about this about Floyd, the great Floyd, the guy who was always able to press pause on everything and going all the chaos in his life. And if you followed Floyd's career from start to finish, it was always chaos. His ability to gain control amid the storm inside the center of that ring is what made him great. He would always control the terms of it,

limit the danger and the damage. Ryan's not that type of fighter, but Luke, I do think Ryan was able to create a perfect storm. How much, how often do we talk about fighters that they need to be the biggest con men and salesmen to themselves? They need to talk to themselves.

Every single prize fighter brainwashes themselves. He brainwashed himself to be in game seven crazy mode. He amped it up in certain areas to fool a bunch of us. But Luke, there's still chaos in his life. I just think in this case, the chaos produced in this season, the best version of him. But when you hear him talk afterwards about,

yeah, I was smoking and drinking and all of that. This is not sustainable, Luke. It's sustainable for the very few, maybe John Jones, but that had this ride has had a lot of highs and lows in that. I do fear for Ryan on that. When I tweet, wow, maybe it was a big troll job. I mean, from a stylistic standpoint, I mean, from a getting in his opponent's head, but like, I still got major concerns about the way he's living his life publicly, this crazy

and aggressively. I mean, look, if we did a laundry list of the things that came out in the past few weeks and actually looked at them as a whole. Folks forget, wasn't it his people that tried to get him admitted to a psych ward? I mean, it wasn't boxing media who tried. It wasn't us. It was his people in his inner circle. This is a guy who claimed he had seen Bohemian Grove and was kidnapped in a forest and forced to watch child pornography. I mean, this guy went and said every – there was that female influencer who said she felt harassed by him.

She had a video of it, yeah. I mean, the whole – like, this idea that he wasn't acting in aberrant ways, again, what that relationship ended up being to his performance seems a little bit more tenuous than certainly I thought it was going to be. But BC, I want to be careful because again, do we owe Ryan Garcia an apology? Ryan, put the camera on me here. It's already on me, Ryan. I said you were going to get tuned up like a guitar and now it is me who's getting tuned up like a guitar on social media for it. But okay, I earned that. What I will say is BC in defense of some of my apprehension, I am happy to admit, like I was trying to dissect, like what exactly did I get wrong? I got wrong about what Ryan is capable of.

I got wrong what Devin Haney is. He's much more defensively deficient than I realized. And so that interplay between them, I got wrong. What I don't think is wrong and what I will still hold on to is, was Ryan able to be successful despite these circumstances yes he was fair play to him shut us all up on that level you're gonna have a hard time convincing me that drinking every day in your camp is a recipe for long-term either happiness or certainly prize fighting success nightly live

audio segments on Twitter, where again, even if you're trolling, you're having Alex Jones and Andrew Tate on one minute talking about craziness. And I know Ryan's for the children, and some of that might certainly be real, and that's great. But at the flip side, he's also recruiting women to come meet him in his hotel room

on these live Twitter spaces for night after night. It's just bizarre behavior from start to finish. Listen, he's clearly under a lot of pressure for what's ever happening in his life. And we can only wish him well in dealing with that. So I am a little bit concerned. On the one hand, BC, this victory, it's going to propel. He was already a star, but this really put him over the top. I mean, this was a monster.

It wasn't just a credible win. It was a credible win when no one thought he was going to be able to do it. And so he does it. But what I'm a little bit concerned about is, is the success that comes with this going to send those bad habits into overdrive? Or is it going to help him to deal with it now that he's achieved something that perhaps was lacking before? Also, I saw Paulie Malignaggi say something about Ryan Garcia,

which is he's the best fighter he's ever seen that's never had a world title. I don't know how true that is, but certainly he's in the conversation. Yeah, no, no question about that. I just think he was able to, it's potentially a short-term formula though, like living life this crazy and partying this hard behind the scenes. But like, you know, you did hear Bernard Hopkins in the post fight press conference echo what we're all thinking. What could it be like if he put it all together and lived the spartan life and listened to the coaches could it be him act reaching for and getting the best version of him or luke is he one of those people that the best version of him will always come from chaos you know what the best version of manny pacquiao was when he would shoot and dice in the evenings with his friends and womanizing that's just the truth

but all these comparisons sustainable also all these comparisons to floyd and whatnotizing. That's just the truth. But it's not sustainable. Also, all these comparisons to Floyd and whatnot and Floyd's cast, Floyd didn't do drugs. No, Floyd's discipline was just... Like, his discipline is next level when it comes to stuff like that. So again, like, all these comparisons, oh, John Jones, oh, Floyd. There's meaningful differences in all those different directions. I just want to point that out. Do you want to get to

some of this media or not? Yeah, that's my transition. But hearing Ryan, by the way, say afterwards that, like, I've been through so much worse than this in my life. What happened this week? He said this week was so crazy we could make a movie about transition. But hearing Ryan, by the way, say afterwards that like, I've been through so much worse than this in my life. What happened this week? He said this week was so crazy. We could make a movie about it. But he said I was bent through so much worse in my life that this was nothing.

It showed me that he does have a survivor mentality. It showed me that he can compartmentalize and really just focus and hone in. And we got the best of that out of there. Let's get into some of the victory lap from Ryan. And he deserves it, by the way, on the fallout of how he acted and now how he's able to celebrate here.

Here's Ryan at the post-fight press conference. Y'all must have forgot, right? Let's listen in. You know, this is why people need to stop believing everything on the Internet and stop, you know, living in a false reality. At the end of the day, there's a lot of real shit going on. You know, the last thing you should worry about is a kid acting crazy on the Internet. Real shit is going on in the world. Open your eyes.

Kids being hurt. Nobody caring. Everybody looking at it like, oh, he's just crazy. It's a conspiracy. It's this, it's that. At the end of the day, that shit was real. And I out there put my reputation online, had everybody thinking I was crazy. But at the end of the day, who's the crazy one now?

I didn't really want to say this, but it's the truth. Everybody needs to acknowledge like yo i'm tripping y'all was tripping not me you guys were tripping i wasn't i was the one that was actually with sanity because i'm like yo they're hurting little kids let's help them that's called being a real man because i don't give a fuck what people say about me that's right i walked through the fire and still held it down and still beat fucking Devin Haney and still drank every day and still beat him and I did everything. What the fuck? Hey what happened? False reality right? Drank every single night went out on the first Monday and a Tuesday and drank

and what happened? I won. He did calm down on me. Not necessarily am I proud of that, but I'm just saying. It was a statement to show you, you guys can't really fuck with me. That's right. I do whatever I want. I still win. Right.

And I give him that respect that he's able to pull this off. Of course, the mental journey he went through. It's nuts that he can do that. But we weren't tripping. I was tripping. No, Luke. He made us. That's what I'm saying.

He purposely made us. So I don't need to apologize for the bear trap that you set for me and I got caught. You know what I'm saying? Like, I care about him. Also, just like we got to be very careful with correlation and causation. That he did those things and had success is not proof that you can always do those things. Sure. And have success.

And also, even in his post-fight speech in the ring afterwards, it was a mixture of good and weird and wild and wacky still, so I'm not sure. We talked about the media who got it wrong. They didn't mention Luke's name in this or the Dana video, but here's his dad, Henry Garcia, calling out who did get it wrong. Paulie Malignaggi, piece of shit. Timothy Bradley. Timothy Bradley.

Chris Algieri. Steve Kim. Maybe Mario Lopez, maybe. But they're all piece of shit, okay? Oh, shit! And I'm so glad they fucking lost. And Ryan proved them wrong. Yeah, Timothy Bradley sucked my dick.

Right. No diddy. By the way, a second later, after that video cut off, the PR person for Golden Boy, Ryan was trying to leave. She started screaming, Stop following him! Let my fighter go! If any of you follow him, I will never credential you again. Really?

She put down the law. It was wild. Finally, Luke, I got a quick tweet to throw to. This seems to be the message Daniel Garcia is trying to send, that he was trolling. He says, imagine, just imagine a guy that trolled nonstop. So to close quickly on this, Luke, like 60% trolling and 40%? Not even. I think it's, I think, I agree with the way you put it.

I mean, here's what I would say. He was clearly acting up at a bare minimum on fight week for effect. I mean, that can, that clearly I think is true. But this idea that like he's Sasha Baron Cohen and he's one guy one time and another guy another time

and there's two polar opposites. I don't buy as true. I think he takes the volume of what he is and turns it up to a 10 when there are cameras on or when he wants to pressure on him to be at his best. That's right. But I don't think he's being somebody he basically is not. I think he's being a more outrageous version of who he already is. And by the way, he's great for boxing. version of who he already is. And by the way, he's great for boxing.

He's a big matchmaker. He's a gambler in terms of the fights he takes, and he's got the guts. And then we found out the combination of everything else to actually pull it off. Because, Luke, this is topic number three that we transitioned to, the whole fallout, the whole idea of, like, where would Ryan be today, Monday morning, if this was a second consecutive, you know, disastrous one-sided loss on the highest level. We didn't get there. So, Luke, we hit a lot of the Haney points, but he was unbeaten, number five pound for

pound on my CBS Sports list coming in. And we, like we mentioned, rarely ever seen him took a misstep. I don't think it's long-term disastrous, but where would you like to see him in the rebound to try to give him the best shot to regain all that? I mean, let's just... one 47 time to go up. I'll let me, let me just repeat one more time. If I may,

this was really, really bad loss for Devin Haney. This is not just a bad loss. This is a very devastating loss. Now to the point that you raised at 25 years of age, given what he's already done, he'll, he'll get back to some big nights where his hand is getting raised.

He'll do some great things. He's going to fix the glitch in the gym. He is. We'll see. Because it wasn't his chin. It wasn't. He bit down and got through it. I don't think he's chinny,

but I don't think he's super durable either. I think he's got a Poirier chin. He's got a flash chin. He'll be there, but you can hurt him. I think he showed great resilience. Don't get me wrong, but his natural durability, I don't think he has a ton.

But I'll just say this. This was devastating. I mean, I talked to Steven Breadman Edwards, who certainly knows a lot more about boxing than I do. I remember after Errol Spence lost to Bud Crawford, and of course we all remember that fight. It was very one-sided in Bud's favor. And I remember talking to him about, like, where would you rank Errol after this? And he made a point to me. He's like, listen, if you're a pound-for-pound guy and you lose devastatingly, people want to say, oh, well, you're a pound for pound guy and you lose devastatingly people

want to say oh well you got beat by another pound for pound guy but his point was is if you're pound for pound you shouldn't lose like this ever now this fight was not quite as one-sided which ended up being a bud barely took it i mean bud lost the first round on that fight and never looked back and then finished him off and scored a stoppage right but dude you've got a guy in devon haney to your point on everyone's pound for pound list in certain cases inside the top five, and he just lost to a guy who's never been a champion, who was not ranked inside the pound-for-pound spot, and he got whooped.

This is a devastating loss for him. It is a lesson in any number of things that we've kind of already touched on, what the weight meant, how he should have handled it. Okay, it's a short-term devastating, but I think he's already got the skills, the mindset, the IQ, and the foundation to quickly... Now, look, he's

got to make some adjustments. I mentioned the Andre Ward style of infighting and maybe spinning Ryan Ward. One of the times he got knocked down, he got knocked down from inside fighting. Yeah, when he was hurt, it fell apart. Look, I'm not absolving him. And also, one more time, he's known for his jab, right? What's Devin Haney's number one weapon?

Yes. It's his jab. Ryan took it away with the comment. Ryan took it away, and I want to point out something. Everybody who does tape study on Devin Haney talks about this. Everybody. Even I knew it was a weakness. I just didn't think Ryan would get to it as often as he did.

What happens is you'll see when Devin Haney jabs, he brings his hand up sometimes. A lot of times what he does is he pulls it back or he drops it down, and then he'll reach over his front toes. He has a wide-open target all the time. Lomachenko was able to find it. He just didn't have the firepower. It's like, dude, how do you have a deficiency that noticeable to anyone on tape? And then you go into a fight with Ryan Garcia.

Can I answer your question? Because there are a couple people on the planet with the reflexes, speed, and power combo to land that punch. Dude, even whatever you thought about. If I'm Derek James and I'm Bill Haney and I'm Devin Haney, you can say anything else you want. You have to know the left hook is coming. Fact or fiction. Okay, you know it's coming. Fact or fiction.

I was like, fact or fiction. I'm going to ask you. I'm going to ask you. Fact or fiction. Fact. I haven't asked you. You don't even know what I'm about to say. Fact or fiction.

They had a proper game plan to deal with Ryan Garcia's left hook. Fiction. Fiction left hook. Fiction. Fiction. Yes. Fiction. They did not. What helped derail him was getting hurt in the first round. He made the adjustments from two through five.

But him being unable. Look, people had a lot of things to say about Haney's power, and I defended it. There is a limit to Haney's power. He's finding it at 140 right here, Luke. Yes, that's true. He was unable to back up and hurt. He couldn't hurt Garcia at all. But not able to hurt him. So that's a thing.

But I'd bet your beard that pretty strongly that Haney wins the decision, the rematch, that he takes away Ryan's left hook completely. Kind of mucks up the fight, but does what I'm talking about. Targets the body early. Fair enough. I only want to just make this point, and if you want to weigh in

on it, you may, certainly. The only thing I want to say is, I don't think they had the very best game plan that they could have. They did not have a proper, they did not properly take away what was Ryan's most known and potent weapon, and then more to the point, I don't think that in the end they didn't handle

the weigh-in situation as well as they could have, that's a separate one, but one more time, aside from George Kambosis, who had an inspired night against Teofimo Lopez, he doesn't have a win over somebody noteworthy who was in their prime. It's a lot of older guys like Linares and Lomachenko who was oversized. But he destroyed Progray for the belt. Destroyed him in his debut.

Progray was also in late 30s as well. This is what I'm trying to point out. What are we doing here? He's 25. What are we doing here? All I'm trying to – I'm trying – dude, if you... Everyone's going to be different. Yeah. I feel like I whiffed big time on this.

Yes. So I don't want to overreact, but I at least... I'm trying to find the pieces of what I missed. And I think a big piece is there were defensive lapses in what he was doing prior to this that he got away with.

He got away with it, yes. Because Linares couldn't capitalize. Yes. Or Lobacheco didn't have the firepower. 100%. Or whatever. And then he got away with because Linares couldn't capitalize or Lobacheco didn't have the firepower or whatever. And then he got here and it all got completely blown up. And I missed that. I think it is a lesson.

He can only learn the hard way in the ring. But the amount of fighters on this planet that have that level of explosive speed and turns out has that accuracy and that reaction time that Ryan has. We always knew he had it. It's just executing it the way he did. Holy crap. He did it. It's just executing it the way he did. Holy crap. He did it. I think Haney can fix this.

Now, will they run it back right away or does Ryan go after Teofimo? I mean, Ryan's at a point, obviously from this win, he can do anything and he can kind of cross over to any network and bring them in. He's in a huge spot.

Luke, he talked about, he had a dream that he moved up to 54 and beat Fundora. And he says, I want to do that. He's calling out Crawford. What do you think he does? Because Oscar gambled and they won big. i think they rematch at 147 i think a rematch at 147 because

remember this was not a super uh a junior welterweight fight right this was not a 145 it was welterweight fight basically catch weight certainly but do it at 147 put both guys at 147 you've already had uh we, you would imagine both guys could relatively easily make it. I think that the rematch would be huge. Ryan's blown up. Haney's still a tough test. The belts are still kind of hanging out there. This idea that

Ryan, and again, I don't want to, listen, I don't want to make the same mistake twice, but I feel like Ryan Garcia versus Boots Ennis, I don't love that fight. I don't love that fight. Don't do that. No, no, no. I don't love that fight for Ryan Garcia.

No, don't go anywhere near that. I think he'll eventually rematch Tank, obviously, and this raises the stakes on him against Tank. He would have to force Tank to come up and wait. That's the issue. And that's the major issue, because Ryan's not going to do the catchweight thing again. I wouldn't want him to go after Matias for a title,

because I think that could be a trap for him. Also 140. He's not going to go 140 anymore, but here's the deal. I think they should inquire about Teofimo who has a fight coming up, a kind of like a stay busy mandatory. I think they should, uh, inquire about making the Haney rematch at 147. I like that idea.

Ryan has another potential option. Can we throw it out quickly? Long Island Luke. And it is Connor Ben, the big UK star who called him out. And then we saw Ryan saying, let's run it back. And then boy, did he ruin the spelling on spleen right there. But he'll still fracture and eat it. But Luke, you're going to hate.

And look, I want him to rematch Tank. And I think this now makes the Tank rematch viable. But do you know what he should do next? You're going to hate this? You're going to hate this? Because you always hate me when I say this. If the answer is pornography, I don't want to know more. No.

Oscar's really smart. Are you going to say Crawford? Oscar is really smart as a promoter at times when he's in the right place and he's moving forward. Manny Pacquiao is the fight right now for Ryan Garcia. Right freaking now. At 147? Yep. Right now.

Right now. Man, he's been out a while. He's like 45. Right now. I mean, I'll be honest. Is that my number one fight that I want to see for Garcia No, you want him to be a superstar in a fight that he actually still could lose. Seriously. He still could lose Not not as likely but yeah, he could he could I don't want to see Connor But I don't know I just I'm not into the Connor Connor Ben. I'm not into Where are you on the rematch at 147 with Haney? I like it

But I think that's gonna make a better Haney when he's allowed to. Haney's huge, too. Ryan was bigger in the ring. But look, at the end of the day, let me say this. Final comment on this. Ryan not only out-punched Haney, he out-thought him. He succeeded in getting Haney's head. He did.

That's why he won. He won it with maturity and knowledge. He put it together. Shout out to Ryan Garcia, but we do have to roll on. Okay, so let's do this. Point number four, BC. Let's change gears to a little bit of UFC if we can. There was a media video, which, by the way, got completely drowned out,

in part because it wasn't that bad and also because of this Haney Garcia madness. So, BC, you were featured in this. I was not again. We have it, by the way. We have? Okay. Well, let me ask the question, and then we'll roll it. But here's the question. BC, to what extent was Dana White justified in taking a UFC,

not just a UFC 300 victory lap, but then at exposing everyone who wasn't initially blown away by the main event announcement? Hold that question. Let's see the video. What's up, guys? As we rolled into UFC 300, the MMA experts weighed in on what they thought of UFC 300

and for all the fighters that were on this card when I said it's the greatest card ever assembled in the history of combat sports, this is what the media thought of you guys. UFC 300 makes no sense is any fight on this card 300 worthy no this is the most diabolically disappointing ufc 300 announcement ever it feels kind of thrown together it doesn't feel like the culmination of something big we were continually told that it's gonna knock your socks off it's gonna be amazing what did dana say about this? Right. We're going to blow their socks off. I wanted my jaw to hit the fucking ground. I did expect a little bit more from the company to blow us away. Nobody got blown away. Nobody. We need people that know the sport to be running the show because this is pathetic.

UFC 300, the worst promoted fight card ever. Worst put together fight card ever. Justin Gaethje and Max Holley for the BMX title, which I think is the corniest nonsense on earth. Wei Lijian against Zhao Nian. China's going to get all excited, and I don't think anyone else really cares. UFC 300 will be a disaster. Are you kidding me, Dana White? The most monumental card that there's ever been. You've had a whole year to prepare for this. Aren't you trying to make sales? Don't you want

people to actually buy the pay-per-view? This ain't it. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a regular decent pay-per-view. What? Oh, yeah! Hey, this is Bigoretto! BC? Oh, hold on. BC? Yeah. Your reaction.

How dare he come after Big Mac 0826? Dude, you know what? When he went after Prince of Doge, I was like, he's really, he's going after them all here. Does Dana White deserve to take a victory lap? Look, what did I do in the weeks leading up to that card in the instant reaction afterwards and MK the next Monday sat here and applauded Dana. So I loved UFC 300 so much. It reinvigorated my own fan process as a journalist here that I said it afterwards and I'll say it again. Well done, Dana. But if you're going to take a victory lap in this fashion again,

I mean, at least use the facts. It's clear Dana is continuing his continued aggressive further movement on F the media, right? We're moving the media out of the seats. We're bringing in the YouTube influencers who will sit in this large echo chamber and smell his farts and never complain, right? So I get, look at the verbiage on how he teed up to the video when he said, because the media didn't respect you, the fighters, and they're framing it like that. I know. Like he's the one on their side or something. By the way, it was the media, Mike Bone, who publicly pushed for the fighters to get extra large bonuses at 300.

So it's obviously not the media. The same media who's publicly trying to help the antitrust lawsuit and pushing for the fighters and we're the only ones that are apparently doing that. We're against them. It's laughable. But just like the video, the COVID video, it and pushing for the fighters. And we're the only ones that are apparently doing that. We're against them. It's laughable. But just like the video, the COVID video, it's really disappointing for me. Not that Dana White doesn't deserve a big victory lap, but it's like, tell the truth, fight the actual points of where people were against you. All the videos you just showed there, they're actually right.

Because once again, you're taking out of context clips, just like on the big COVID video, when you took my own comments about what? that you couldn't come back during COVID? No, that you were callously not listening to the governor of California and saying, I don't need to do this with state commissions. We'll go to Tachi Palace because we still owe them by the way. And it took the governor calling the only boss, apparently that you have the, the, the Disney people that signed the checks to force you to stand down. That's what we were against. But you did this thing, this fake news thing.

What does Dana always say in recent weeks, months and years when he does constantly rip the media that all they care about is lying, clickbait and doing all this gotcha stuff. Dana, isn't this exactly what you're doing again? Showing out of context clips when we reacted to what? That UFC 300 was going to suck? No, that your own building up and telling us that UFC 300 was going to be the biggest card of all time and that the main event was going to blow us away. What did we react to? Back in January and February, we were having an honest

reaction to what, that the biggest card ever was two months away and you still didn't have a main event. What we want at the end of the day is truth. You know, where we were to applaud and enjoy the Dana White victory lap. If it came out at any point during this and was honest and said, folks,

our goal was to give you Connor versus Chandler for that. When we got closer, we realized Connor wasn't in the right physical and mental state and he did have the movie tour to promote roadhouse. So it just wasn't going to work. And we didn't figure that out until the last minute, but we scrambled and we still put together arguably the deepest card of all time.

That's exactly what happened. But if you want to sit here and me, not at any point, whether it's back in January or even now defend that for the biggest card ever, you rolled out Jamal Hill, Alex Pereira, and, uh, out Jamal Hill, Alex Pereira, and Weili Zhang in a fight that obviously was big, but should have been in China against Yao Shan'an.

Are those two fights acceptable atop your marquee for your biggest fight card of all time? No, it's laughably not. It should have been with what they stuck with, by the way, which was a very deep and amazing card on paper. It obviously, and it proved in the cage, it should have been Max versus Justin in that main event for the star power and for the potential of exactly what happened. But Luke, there are two things that we respond to as fans and journalists in terms of grading the UFC, the cards on paper and how they lived up afterwards.

Just because the card lived up afterwards, absolutely incredible, doesn't always mean that anyone who criticized it on paper was wrong. In this case, it was very good on paper. And we said that go pull the other clips, but to just continue to come out here with straight lies, continue to try to turn everybody against the media so that they're just not needed. And they're out of the building and out of the picture completely is laughable. And maybe, maybe Dana should, I don't know, act like you've been here before. Put out the press release that you did with all the stats. It's impressive.

I'm actually proud of it. I'm happy that this sport did that. The fight card was incredible. But maybe it's the company you keep. Maybe you start hanging around with more humble killers who succeed, who are less worried about rubbing it in the face of Big Mac 08246 and Brendan Schaub and instead focusing on the next big project and the next big card that you're going to wow us with because your reaction was kind of like an old bitch or actually to be fair, Dana was kind of like

a young 20 something influencer who spends all his time at craps tables, which turns out it's the exact company you seem to keep all the time. And that's cool too. But like, act like you've been here, bro. I'm here to celebrate your touchdown dance let's just tell the truth for once and maybe uh aim for the right reasons and the right arguments when you try to prove that we have a new cycle here luke this show used to be all day just about damn near every day where we had to respond to whatever the news in the moment the news in the moment in january was this big card's coming,

and we don't even know if we have a main or co-main event, okay? Dana should know he's used to having to constantly fill time. Look at the Fight Night card this weekend. There's a reason why we're not previewing it, right? Yeah, it sucks. Exactly. So come on now. I just can't believe how wounded he is by the comments of MMA YouTubers.

Dude, if you want to have a dream board in your basement with all of our pictures And that's what motivates you to be a killer do it. You don't show the public that I don't I don't I just don't I mean, I also just don't get it. It's like I Understand bristling at criticism that you might feel is unfair But in the case of like for example, he said, you know negative things to say about me But in the case of Jesse on fire Apparently that clip that they pulled was him mocking people who were upset with 300 out of context it wasn't him in any way suggesting it so he got he got he caught some strays for no reason

now do i think people were a little bit over the top and complaining about the jessica androge fight or the bmf fight or bo nickel on the main event our main card anyway i i thought that there was some criticism that was a little bit over the top fair enough but i just dude it's like dude i don't care if half the people in that video including you bc live or die so like this idea that you know i'd be wounded by their comments like dude of all the things that are going to force me to lose sleep at night that shit is probably at the very bottom of the list i cannot believe a guy who is worth this much money, who has had this much success, who could have taken the time to make a video to thank UFC staff, fighters. Again, to your point, an enormous. Thank the fighters for settling so that you can continue to be a monopsony.

Yeah, a monopsony. But like of all the things that could have gone, you're focused on the opinions, including me, of people who are utterly irrelevant to your business outcomes. How are you this old, this successful, and this wounded? It makes no sense. Yeah, old bitch. I mean, just to close on that, Luke, he's using a January argument to fight something that happened in April. Can we show the tweet from January from Dana? Tell me if this is true or false.

This was a quote. This was Championship Rounds. From Championship Rounds, but Dana did a live Instagram, and Luke, everyone will go crazy for the UFC 300 main event. And it was a good... This is a petty argument

because the fight ruled and sorted the playoff. But on paper, come on. And also, listen, remember, they announced the main event, first of all, a month before, after trying a million different other things to get him,

or they tried Jon Jones for the main event, that didn't work. They tried a bunch of different rabbits out of their hat, and it didn't work. Fine. They ended up getting Panetta vs. Hill, which at the time we had said was what? It's good. I'm not going to blow my socks off, but it's a perfectly fine main event, and it ended up being

a bit of a destruction in the end, but I just... Again, somehow missed the cut, BC. What's your theory on why I'm missing the cut? I don't know. I don't know. It now seems purposeful, okay? Of course it is purposeful.

Maybe you need to pull Burt Kreisler and take your shirt off and put the camera on me and do the full, like, let me cook. Do the full, like, let them bang, bro. I don't know. That's all I got for you. Let's keep it going. All right, yeah, we can do that. Mike Perry to come in a little over five minutes, folks. But, Luke, topic five, we got a little bit of a latest news roundup of the week.

It's hard to do this once a week now, by the way. We do have big plans on expanding, so stay with us. But Luke, the baddest tour hit this past week. Four stops. And it was just bad. New York, Miami, and closing in LA. You and like 10 other people and me are the only people that watched all four stops. Stop that. I don't believe in that. I did get the opportunity to host it. The fight

will be on FanMail pay-per-view on June 1st. And look, it was weird and wacky and wild. We have a couple highlights to react to. Here's Nate Diaz in front of his home crowd last Friday and the final stop of the tour in LA about four minutes into the broadcast. Hey!

Hey, it was a fun tour. I'm going out here and all this shit all over fucking USA. And I'm done with all this shit. I'm cool off all this fucking talking shit. I got a whole team to represent. I don't want to do none of this. I never did want to do any of it. Fuck this nigga and fuck his team, bro.

I'm out. I got to go. Honestly, true story. That's how BC ends all meetings. So does he get a pass? I don't know. I don't want anybody to get a pass. I mean, it's 2024 and people are just, you know, hating gay people and saying the N-word again.

So here we are. It killed the whole press conference. It did deliver the viral moment. But it's Nate Diaz. So so luke was that completely unpressured from professional or was that on brand and what this fight honestly here was my reaction because i saw the las vegas stop and then i saw the subsequent l excuse me subsequent new york and then miami and then also it ended in la this was the la stop thank you for watching i appreciate i did watch and i tweeted about it i'll let everyone know every single time and And people were like, are you being paid to watch this? I'm like, I'm actually just watching this to support BC.

But here's what I would say. Here's the problem that this tour kind of highlighted. That moment that you just showed, when it ended up being shared on social later, is of anything that happened in the previous four dates, the biggest thing that there was. Nothing else ever came close they did a bit of a media scrum on vegas they were there for ufc 300 weekend because it was actually the week before and that got a little bit of publicity but not much this one got the biggest the problem is that this tour i i don't know what it accomplished typically when

you're doing a tour like this you're doing it to generate media attention, to begin to drive narratives, to really begin to make a big splash. And while the tour looked nice from the visual presentation that I saw, you did a great job hosting. It did have some big names and Nate and Jorge. It didn't seem to do the job that tours want to do,

which is to reach the next level of media to raise awareness. It just kind of seemed stuck. is to reach the next level of media to, to, to raise awareness. It just kind of seems stuck. Wasn't it the same thing as from UFC 244? It was for the BMF fight. It was like, we have two verbal counter punchers that kind of need the Connor to poke the,

poke the bear. One guy needs a straight guy for the other one. One guy. So one guy can act out. And, but in this case they never had, they, they,

they don't play off each other. All that. Yeah. It didn't quite work out. Nate did give you some Nate on-brand moments. Here's a second one quickly. This might have been the highlight of the tour. This was in New York, which was a very pro-Nate crowd, by the way.

His fans travel. Not in Miami, but definitely in New York, yeah. It was Nate's 39th birthday, so the fans serenaded him with... Thank you to him. That thing could have been just raised with Finn there. He could have been completely heart attack city. Saturday, June 1st. He is about that life there. And finally, Luke, um,

it was a tough crowd in terms of, uh, is this thing on? Remember the issues I had in DC with the service workers, just not necessarily. They didn't love your bits. They didn't love any of them. I tried to get over some things that just didn't really work. You bombed like a motherfucker. He might be Indica on the microphone, but when it's time to throw down, he's Sativa for days.

You better believe that. The fifth most strikes landed in UFC history. Nate Diaz I mean that was about two and a half minutes before he walked off the stage so guys he might be like Indica on the mic but he'll be like

Sativa in person quickly Luke it is official now June 15th not in Houston like was rumored at the MGM Grand Garden Arena. The third PBC on Amazon Prime video. I'm sorry.

I'm prime video. Pay-per-view is going to be the star studded double header. You can see the poster there. Gervonta Davis will defend his WBA lightweight title against unbeaten Frank Martin. And David Benavidez will move up in weight 175 to fight for an interim title against former champion Alexander Vodcik. Both fights are very good. Leonard Ellerbe tweeted that there's going to be some really good main card fights to

fill out that pay-per-view. Your reaction? I think people who are saying Frank Martin is some kind of scrub. Including Gervonta, who said he's ass. Have it totally wrong. I think Gervonta will win. I'm expecting him to win. But I think Frank Martin's going to make it fun and competitive.

Is it the fight that I would want to see the most? Gervonta and Shakur Stevenson had a huge back and forth over the weekend. I'd rather see that. However, I'm happy to see this fight. I think it'll be a fun test. Do you like this model? And that's the other part I was going to say. It's like, is this the fight I want from both guys, either Gervonta or David

Benavidez? It wouldn't be my first choice, but to get them as a... it's not a doubleheader in the way that we had the Charlo doubleheader. But it kind of is. But it kind of is. You get two of boxing stars, one the preeminent star, one on the rise. You get the African-American fan base,

you get the Hispanic fan base, you get the crossover fan base, you get everything that you really want to make this work. I'm really excited for it. I actually can't wait, even though for the two individual fights, I'm like, Oh,

you know, I'd rather see Benavidez Canelo. I'd rather see Stevenson take on Gervonta. I actually love this. And I'm super excited for that June fight. Mike Perry will be with us in just a matter of seconds, but to close, uh,

should I care about this? PFL officially signed 11 and one Irish free agent, Paul Hughes to an exclusive deal. I don't understand why the UFC is passing on all of some of these top European prospects. Cedric Dume also just resigned with PFL. Cedric Dume is going to be one of the top prospects in the sport. Paul Hughes might be irrespective of weight class or nationality.

The number one, he was doing, he was one of our, I think he was either our first or second hammer of the month. Him andia support you were hammers of the month we'll retouch this at the end so i'm just gonna say great signing for pfl i'm a little surprised that ufc didn't pick him up but here we are let's talk about a great signing let's talk about one of the biggest names faces attitudes in all of combat sports a real pay-per-view star. He represents BKFC. He's known as the Platinum One, and this Saturday, he will be

headlining in Los Angeles, BKFC's Knuckle Mania 4, a pretty loaded pay-per-view card, seriously, up and down, against former UFC title challenger Shaggle Alvis. It is Mike frickin' Perry. There he is.

Look at him. Luke, you know he's my favorite guest of all time, even though he's nearly assaulted me on the mic a few times. I think he hung up on you once. Yeah. I might catch those hands one day. Hey, Mike, you look fantastic, brother. I'm always excited to chat with you.

But you're escalating success the last few fights, the last few years, man. I'm like, I need need some merch i need them i need to put up some mike perry stuff on this show congratulations on everything how the hell are you feeling entering yet another sort of wrestlemania tentpole event here for bkfc thank you guys so much for having me um wrestlemania is the funny funny way to put it because ain't nothing fake about this that we do. I'm very happy to be headlining such a stacked card full of, of incredible fights. These fights are going to be amazing. Um, you know, I'm, I'm so excited, man.

I'm, I'm ready. I'm prepped. Uh, I got more training to do throughout the week. I got some weight to cut. And I got a tough opponent, a little rockhead brick wall in front of me. I'm going to demolish him and break him down. And it should be fireworks. All right, Mike, I got a million questions about the fight, but I got to ask.

We saw you on Bisping's podcast. You were a little bit mad at us i want to talk about this we never treated you like jake paul that was never ever ever our intention so can we talk about that for a second man the mike bisping one the last time i did the mike bisping one i can't even remember what I might have been mad at you guys for. I'll tell you. Okay. So here's what had happened. You made the move from UFC to BKFC, and as BC just indicated, you took over the sport.

What we had noted was the guys you were beating were established kickboxer like MVP or a much bigger guy like Luke Rockhold, but they were in their later 30s. And Bisping suggested, I don't know if he meant it maliciously, but he suggested that we were treating you like Jake Paul. But that's not fair at all because you're also an MMA fighter who crossed over. You're just better at it than those other guys, not a guy like Jake Paul who is taking people who have never done what he's been doing

this whole time. So I just wanted to clarify, we never, ever, ever wanted to compare you to Jake Paul. Hope you understand that. Or at least I didn't. I don't know about if this was loyal. No, I wasn't doing it either. Fuck off. That's okay.

I mean, look, Jake Paul's doing great things. He is, that motherfucker is taking everything I work for. I want to fight his fucking ass. And you know what's the real money fight is me. And I, you know, these guys, I don't know if they want to do bare knuckle. I don't think they do. I can't put words in other people's mouths. This is my game, and it is different than, you know, like could you imagine seeing Ryan Garcia versus Devin Haney in bare knuckle?

No, you couldn't imagine it. I don't think either one of them would be up for that obviously they get paid the big bucks to put the gloves on the eight ounce gloves are a big punch um you know and i i got a little hit list that i'll be ready to call out after after i handle business this weekend um you know look luke rockhold just won a fight against Schilling, and he hit him with that lead right hook that it was kind of a check hook from a southpaw stance, and I slipped and rolled that thing and came up with my own punch. There was a little bit of a a weight uh a hydration clause on luke i want that to be known uh because we saw how ryan garcia performed not having a hydration clause and uh you know he came out to

fight that was that was commendable and you know shout out to luke he took the fight um eddie alvarez was smaller and he was quick and he he gave me a couple shots, but he quit. He quit, man. He didn't take that beating like a man. He should have came back out there. And this week, even though Tiago has been trying to be nice to me, it's like he doesn't want to make me mad or something. There's nothing he can do about that. I'm coming in furious and ferocious.

I'm not going to let him give up. I'm going to beat him, and he's going to have to face the pain. I will face it. I will face the pain like a man, like a madman, if you will. I live for it this moment. I train all year to get to this moment to where I get to enjoy my time in the ring. And, you know, shout out to all the fans that will be in place this week. I will speak with them. I will talk to them. And I'm not even from over there in L.A., but when I get there and i have my opportunity

i am ready to talk and i'm ready to back it up i'm gonna walk all over him and i'm not gonna leave the press conferences like a local town nate diaz did they didn't hate on him for it though they they started hating on jorge when he did man. My head's all over combat sports. I am the king of violence, you know, so it only makes sense. And I'm looking to put on a beautiful show this weekend, the best of my life. Mike, go for it. One last one for me here. Mike, from your perspective, when you look back at the fights against Alves, Rockhold, Page, Lane, Seals, you won them all.

Why have you been so successful? Why are you so good at this in ways that the people they're trying to put up against you just cannot be? I've always been a brawler, boxer. I've always loved boxing. I've always loved the swagger to it. You know, someone posted my Danny Roberts fight, my second UFC fight, a while back on Twitter. It was like all the good parts. It was like almost eight minutes. And it's like they skipped all the in-between parts of like us setting things up.

But, you know, and it was still eight minutes of raw action. Just, you know, yes, I take some shots, but it's the way I roll them. It's the way I deal with them. It's the way I work my range and distance. And, um, uh, you know, obviously the toughness is a big part of this. Um, and we know that tough fighters do tend sometimes that if, if one, if another another opponent is is too sharp on the outside you know like when i fought tim means for example he was able to poke me on the outside i kind of gassed my arms out trying to choke him in the first and and um i just didn't have the foot speed that i have now to close the range with my head off center slipping and get inside to land my own vicious shots.

And, you know, Tim was able to poke me on the outside. Now, Tiago and me are very similar in stature and size and length and reach and uh very upper body-esque and he's got two bare-knuckle fights uh he's got the experience in bare-knuckle and uh so do I so I mean I think this should be a great fight and it it pumps me up to you know to have this match up in front of me a guy that's that i can look myself in the mirror and be like you know it's me versus me and um even though he's bald and i have a beautiful head of hair um you know it's it's me versus me in there and and everything i've done uh leading up to this point all the work um i just i just want to perform the best i can and that's you know that's

a no-quit attitude look if you would just dye that beard you could look as handsome as this gentleman i don't think so incredible mike i want to ask you about the science of what you do you gave me an incredible speech a couple interviews ago about always being mindful to keep the inner bitch inside of you down and obviously certain creatures have a sixth sense. Certain animals know when a storm is coming or what have you, or they can hear a dog whistle that no one else can hear. What are the telltale signs when you can feel the inner bitch of your opponent is starting to come out?

And those are the moments when you amp up the pressure and you feel like you have someone ready to go. Because once you sort of get those first instincts, I can see the change in the fight. I can see your demeanor seem to focus in even more. What are those signs that that man across from you just doesn't have that same dog? You know, I can't say that I look too much at my opponents. Like I said, you know, I'm kind of looking at myself and, you know, winners focus on winners and I've been beating these guys. And that's kind of one thing about it is, you know, all the pressure, all the momentum building up because I continue to win. You can't let those, any doubt, no doubt. You know what I mean?

You can't let it crowd your mind because there's still work to be done. And there's much more that I can gain from continued success here. And, you know, I don't want to start over. I'm in a good place and I want to continue it. And, you know, the beauty of being in a good place is that I can perform to the best of my ability because I'm hungry for the fight. You know, the opponents I've had have helped with my hunger. I have tough, dangerous opponents in front of me. I mean, you mentioned MVP. MVP is an incredible athlete.

I'm so happy to have shared the ring with him. And then, you know, I mean, he goes on, has two fights since we fought, and he looked great in both of them. And he's on his own journey trying to, you know that ufc gold and and props to him for it um i i can't say that i'm you know at the end of the second round there's videos that bkfc has posted and it's like the end of the round and we go to our separate corners but i think that's the end of the first round that they keep showing because at the end of the second, I remember, like,

I shoulder-blocked a punch, and I pointed at Eddie and was like, ha-ha, I got you. I figured out your range. And he must have been distraught going back to his corner. He felt that pain in his face, and he just didn't want any more of it. And that's not fair to me. After all the shit you talk, and he's still talking shit. He still thinks he's like, oh, but I did this, but I did that.

But you quit. You gave up on yourself, on all the fans, on everyone watching. You quit like a little punk-ass bitch. And I am going, I want my chance and my opportunity to face a savage like myself, and I see that in Tiago, that he will not give up, and I am going to have to make him lay down. He is going to have to face the fist. Oh my God. I'm so fired up from that, that speech right there. Hell yeah. Mike, I want to ask you something because what we

love about you and it does seem like you are the happiest you've ever been. And I love seeing the family pictures. Congratulations on the birth of your second child, everything in that, but your ability to be intense and incredible and real also mirrors up nicely with your ability to always kind of be one step ahead of us and always kind of kind of have this comedic flair to know where to direct it. You mentioned Ryan Garcia early earlier. Have you been following the build to that Haney fight at all? And what do you make of Ryan? Is he this maestro that's almost doing some of the skills that you're great at or do you think he was actually in his own peril and that was sort of spilling over in terms of everything mentally he was dealing with heading into that fight i'll tell you what he he he threw me for one i thought you know what man i guess i was talking out to barbara's today and we were talking about it apparently he had a fight between tank and haney and uh i didn't know that and i just remember how he performed against

tank and i know that there was a hydration clause and they made him stay small and suck down tank must be teeny tiny and uh you know that's just not who we saw against Devin Haney I mean he came to fight and Haney was too patient uh just waited too much and I saw Haney fight Prograce live and his patience worked for him in that. Pro Grace never really had the attack. And Ryan, he's got some snappy shots. And, you know, I would say our technique is quite different. I like what Sean O'Malley said about Ryan Garcia's game plan. I thought that was very true about how he turned his back. And, I mean, that's boxing.

So, you know, I just think you watch my fight on Saturday and you're in for a different kind of show. I'm ready for this show. Knucklemania 4, Saturday night, Los Angeles. Tiago Alves in front of you. Mike, I want to ask you about this growing star that you're building, the second chapter to your career. Where are you at, as much as you can say contractually,

because if someone did come knocking, whether that's crossover boxing, legitimate boxing, UFC return for the BMF, you're in a position where it could be any of these, all of the above. Are you in a position where it could be any of these, all of the above. Are you in a position where you can capitalize on that? Are you looking to take this Tiago Alves performance and potential win

and package it into something even bigger next time around? Absolutely. Absolutely. A hundred percent. Like I said, you know, I mean,

I have that hit list and I want to win this fight on Saturday and call it out in the ring and let it be known where I would want to go. And I think it will be intriguing. Obviously, a couple of the names are already known on there. And then there's a third name that that no one's going to expect. And when I went on Saturday and I dropped these three names, you know, that's the lineup. That's how I want it in that order. And I want to get it done.

You know, I want to get this done on Saturday. You know, I'm willing to sacrifice my hands in there on Saturday to get the dub, you know, and I'm going to explode my fists on his face. And if they hold together, then I'll be right back in the training camp. You know, I feel amazing after the last fight. I definitely relaxed. I definitely went into vacation mode. I'm definitely going to do a platinum family vacation after this fight because they deserve it. Family time is much needed. But I would like to stay in shape, make a turnaround, and have these big fights happen that we've been waiting on for years. And stop delaying on the people. And at least if from any side that these things aren't

happening, it definitely won't be my side. And besides, I have been out here getting after it for the past couple years and I've been winning and I've been, you know, staying active, you know, at least two fights a year, which isn't like, oh my God, you know, when I came into the UFC, I fought three times in four months as soon as I got in. It's different. Now I'm more, I can be more patient. I can take better care of my body. I can prepare myself better. I need, you know, six to eight week camps is to get me into platinum performing. You know what I mean? Like the fans deserve that. I have to go through hell and training in order to give the fans the show, the Mike Perry that they want to see, not just some guy who's been slacking, you know? So if I go and enjoy some family time and a platinum vacation after this big

event on Saturday, I'll be hungry to smash these other guys. Oh yeah. Okay. Mike, in terms of, let's compare it to MMA for just a second. In terms of bare knuckle training to MMA training, and then bare knuckle fights to MMA fights, can you help us understand the injury and just wear and tear differences that you've experienced between them? I would say, man, you know, like, when I grappled, people always trying to wrench on your neck, always trying to get my neck. And my neck is strong, but damn, I'm sitting there, you know, I'm sitting there.

They got this whole person hanging off of my head and neck. And in training, you know, I always train with the same idea and mentality that I would fight with. And I'm not giving up if you ain't got me. And, you know, I get myself hurt in situations like that, or my legs, I'm not, not an amazing kicker, or I, you know, I never really was an amazing kicker. And I used to have more flexibility in my legs, I still work on my stretching. Even though doing the boxing, I just, my leg definitely tightened up and I started making sure that I stretch out. Road work can hurt your knees no matter what sport you're doing, but definitely grappling, you know, having a big body, you know, twist your legs up and try to tackle your knees could affect those and and you know but boxing still a lot of work on the shoulders and rotator cuffs and you still got to do PT get some cupping get some

ice baths in and you know just take care of. Diet is a big part of it as well. You know, fighting is fighting, and I think, you know, Brian mentioned it. You know, I win this fight on Saturday. We're talking KOV versus BMF type stuff. We could do a UFC return. We could do a big boxing fight. And winning is winning. So I think I could beat anyone with the mindset that I bring into a fight, which is, you know, punch you first and ask questions later. All right, let's talk about Tiago Alves.

The biggest threat that Tiago Alves poses to you is what? That big bald head, man, up against my hands. When I hit him in the head, you know, I got to squeeze my fist really hard. And he throws, you know, he throws a one-one- one two a lot it's like a pity pat jab it's not a very powerful jab but then you know kind of push me around maybe um maybe he's gonna go to the body a lot of people haven't i plan to go to his and i had a training partner who's a damn brick wall for sure i hit him in the body so hard and looked at him like, how did you just eat that right now? And he definitely did.

So I'm prepared to go to Tiago's body. Maybe that'll be a little softer than his head. I don't know. He looks a little fat maybe. And I got to watch out for the uppercut. I don't think I'll be there for the uppercut, though. Considering based off things I've watched and seen, you know, Tiago hasn't boxed someone like me.

And I think because, like you said about the Jake Paul thing, it's funny because, and I'm not talking about older, retired fighters. I'm still fighting guys who got it. I'm right around their age. Jake's younger than me. It's MMA fighters boxing. I think I'm the

best boxer that was ever in MMA and that's why I'm having these success in these brawling boxing matches. I've kind of warmed up to the no glove thing don't get me wrong I can still throw down with the gloves but I'm warming

up I mean with no gloves it's like this is my world right here and I'm finna hit you with this thing and you are not gonna like it he's 2% african-american and 98 percent dog platinum mike perry always always a pleasure wait you got more for one more so this fight's at 185 mike what is what is your best weight class you think where do you feel 100 the best sorry about that that's all right well i

performed one time at 185 and um i felt like i was cutting weight that week you know i i built myself up i lifted weights i ate a lot three four times a day to make sure that i had 10 pounds to cut at least i did the same thing this time now the difference between that fight uh who was against a taller opponent I love fighting a taller opponent where I haven't really liked fighting a shorter opponent but me and Tiago are the same height so you know except for my hair I'm a little taller because he's bald but but um you know, except for my hair, I'm a little taller because he's bald. But, you know, I think I'm – and also Luke was bigger, right? So he, with that weight discrepancy, like he maybe could have put on a little bit more weight. He was still 205 in the ring. i was i weighed in at 185 i was

like 187 or 188 in the ring so he still had lots of weight on me and um i mean if he could have gotten bigger eight more been more relaxed more comfortable i don't know. But Thiago and me, I think, are the same size. We're both going to be about 189 in the ring after we weigh in and eat all night. But at 185, when I did perform there, in my opinion, it was damn near perfect. He hit me

with one left hand, I took it, and then I ended it. This time, we shall see. I'm always far in big guys. I'm a bitch for the heavyweight guys that I train with because I'm fast, I'm low to the ground, and I can hit about as hard as they do. So, you know, that's what T.I. goes up against, man. I'm like a fast heavyweight.

This is the way. This is. This is the way. He hits like one, two. It goes down Saturday night. Yeah, Mandalorian. Show it. There it is.

This is the way. I love this guy. Knuckle Mania 4 live on pay-per-view this Saturday. Mike, thank you for the time. Always great to chat with you, brother. Best of luck to you, okay? That's Ocean's dad right there. Enjoy the show on Saturday, boys.

We will. Thank you, Mike. Damn right. Thank you for having me. Perry, yes. Luke, I got to ask you quickly, a little quick, do you care about this card Saturday night on pay-per-view? Okay, go ahead.

Knuckle Mania four. First of all, do you care? First of all, Mike Perry is appointment viewing, as far as I'm concerned. Especially in bare knuckle. He is very, very good at bare knuckle. Sure. And interviews.

And interviews as well. That's right. So that's the main event fight, Mike Perry against Tiago Alves. Co-main event. Interesting story here. You remember Lorenzo Hunt, who's tearing it up on the BKFC level? He's a full-on BKFC guy. Yeah, so he's their cruiserweight and light

heavyweight champion, and he's going to be fighting for the heavyweight belt against the UK's Mick Terrell. Do you care? Three-division champion potential. For the three belts, I kind of care, yeah. Okay, for... Or maybe that's for... There's also a heavyweight bout. Ben Rothwell against Todd Duffy. Do you care about that?

I actually like both of those guys. Yeah, me too. Yeah, yes. Yeah, okay. Former caveman boxer Alfredo Angulo against, I thought it was Joe Riggs. It's Jeremiah Riggs. I cannot believe Angulo can get a medical clearance to fight. And also, they'll let him bang once more,

Julian Lane also. Yeah, I'm less interested in that. Did you see BKFC also got in trouble? Front Office Sports had a, they did some show in Montana recently, and some guy who won was in his 40s. Not some prominent guy, but just a guy on their card. Turns out he's a member of the Aryan. Actually, I don't want to say that.

Turns out he has ties to people who are notorious neo-Nazis and or members of the various Aryan gangs. Is he dating KGB Lee? I don't think so. No, but who knows, right? Fairly insensitive. That wasn't great that BKFC did that. Shout out to Mike Perry right there. Wow.

Love it. Love it. I'll be checking that out Saturday. What do we got this Saturday? We got BKFC. We have an Apex one with Nicolaou versus Alex Perez. Which is a fine fight. It's just whatever.

The car is bad, though. Don't say it's a fine fight. We do have breaking UFC news. It's not a fine main event, though. Let's be fair and honest. It is not a fine main event. No, it's a fine fight. Just not a fine main event.. Let's be fair and honest. It is not a fine main event. No, it's a fine fight, just not a fine main event. It's a decent fight. Very quickly,

this is in my inbox. WWE and UFC joined forces to bring NXT Battleground, I don't know what that is, to the UFC Apex on Sunday, June 9th. It was reported on the dirt sheets a few weeks ago, but this is interesting. We want less UFC in the Apex.

Yeah, they call it, by the way, this marks, this is from the press release quote, this marks the first ever WWE event to be hosted at the state-of-the-art state-of-the-art 130,000 square foot event and production facility, which is home to UFC Fight Night events, Dana White's Contender Series, and more.

So here's what they're probably going to do, or at least what I hope they do, because don't forget the UFC PI is modeled after the WWE Performance Center, which is in Orlando, Florida. And inside of there is where they have always shot TV for NXT. And look, that's a very small warehouse, but they pack it with stands and you get a very intimate wrestling fan experience there. If they would just put more seats and put them closer to the octagon and not have like the VIP area where Paul freaking Anka is hanging out at Zuck is over there. Like, imagine if they pack the crowd. Like, remember the old tough fights, right?

Where you had the live live fans in there. Yeah. The old place. I went to the old one. If they set behind Francis. If NXT brings this model in, I bet you UFC adopts it. It's smart. You could put a couple hundred people and make them loud. I've always said, if you're going to have it in the Apex, you can

still make it an intimate theater-like show rather than just, hey, we're having fights in a warehouse. Want to hang out? You know what I mean? Two different fields. Are you texting in the middle of the show? I was texting my man Bernie Barmazel, PR Maven to the Stars, for thanking him for getting us Mike Perry. As always, love talking to

Bernie. But that's an interesting bit of news. The A the apex continues to uh find new recent new uh lives and identities here so are you ready for the shit because i got some shit for let's uh let's see bc's feces all right let's see if we can close this uh this great episode with an app by the way fans have been asking what about like um let's have this talk so well they've been asking first of all they've been asking about a friday show and i've told people bc and I were talking about it. Like we have to build back, but I want to add a couple elements. They want, they're asking not so much about dead wrong, but they're asking about fan. But what if we snuck in fan subs instead of DMs one time, if we had a lower amount of topics to talk about, look, here's the deal. Obviously folks, when we left in February,

I have to say it one more time because people are still filling Reddit boards about this, about our missed promises. We had imagined a world in which we'd come back full strength, full deal, full team ready to implode your ear holes and your face, a few of your holes actually, to be fair. Right? What was that old bowling ball technique? I probably went too far. The shocker?

Yeah, the shocker. It just didn't go our way, but we are building back to there. There were things that got in the way. Easy, easy. In terms of paperwork and corporate and stuff that just took extra time. We've been through this a million times,

so yes, we will get there. People think we're like, you know who we should fuck over? MK fans. Yeah, they're like, I can't believe Luke and B.C. didn't give us like five shows during 300 weeks. Pay me for it. I would love to.

There's ways that could happen. Yeah, we're getting there. We will be there. Okay. Seriously, this summer, late summer, fall, like we're going to be banging. Yes. Hey, Tui. Okay.

I'm having a very positive feeling. Yes. So what I did is I scoured the globe yesterday for like the highs and lows, the good, the bad, the ugly. Tell the folks about the one you couldn't get. And the in-between. But it wasn't censored, right? It was a license plate

that said ass boss in the state of Maine. It's just... Did I tell you I have Maine plates? Yeah. Yeah. So no,

we didn't get censored this week, but this is all the shit you missed. And dude, our censor is back, the one who was on vacation last week. Does he know how many killings and live dicks we've seen? You should know that when you weren't here, our censor is back, the one who was on vacation last week. Does he know how many killings and live dicks

we've seen? Censor, you should know that when you weren't here, we fucked around. Yeah, it was Faces of Death, it was Brossers, it was a lot of things going on. We basically just watched pornography on air. It was awesome. Yeah, alright, here we go. This one's called Have You Seen This Shit? Luke, I could have done a whole segment on weird clips from Ryan Garcia in the last like seven days alone, but this is actually the most endearing one that I give him credit

for that I watched about 5 million times and I think everybody else did. This is the highlight of the week from Ryan Garcia. NGQ, doing what I do. All white, looking nice. Doing what I do. All white. Looking nice. Okay. Come through. I don't know if Ryan Garcia is taking the fight serious or not.

Dude, it looked like a skit from The Office. But now when you watch it back in real time, or not real time, but watch it back after the fact, I should say, you know, Ryan being in this goofy ass mood. I don't think it hurt the mood. I'm just talking about the mood. I don't think the mood in any way hurt him. It turns out when, when we talked about his demeanor ahead of the tank fight, which was more serious and calculated, that didn't bring out the best of him when the stage got bright

and he got hit with a big shot early. He did seem more. He was more focused, but he also, he seemed less erratic. This was about him getting his head to where he needed to be yeah you're right you're impossible which is what he did on on saturday night uh but this is his victory lap time he deserves it you know i love celebration videos with the team in the locker room. I actually laughed at that, but did you notice like he didn't actually celebrate all that much after winning and even in the post-fight

interview it was almost like this calm almost like sociopath coolness to him that was just sort of like yeah i did that you know what i'm saying like it was like i hadn't thought about that i thought he'd be in tears i thought it would be like such a blow-off from all the pressure that he kept tight all week i honestly think that like he's drinking this way because he's under pressures that the fight itself as well as it went for him can't relieve properly. You know what I mean? But dude, he earned it. He can't say he didn't earn it.

Big win for Goldenboy and Oscar De La Hoya, their survivors. Which is also funny too because everyone's like, oh, the boxing media really discounted Ryan. I'm like, dude, Ryan was on the outs with these people, what, five months ago? The idea that they've always had his back and they've always been in his corner, get the fuck out of here with this religious bullshit. Canelo told us when Ryan pulled out of that camp the reason why.

It was harsh and direct, but he told us the reason why. He was like, he was not a serious fighter. He's getting there. I'm not saying Golden Boy hasn't done anything good for him. That's not what I'm saying. But this idea that they've always been in his corner, shut the fuck up. No, you haven't. Eddie Hearn is the promoter of Devin Haney, by the way, and Henry Garcia, the father of Ryan, took the victory lap to the hallway.

Did you see this piece of business? He changed tones real quick. Big respect to Ryan Garcia. He was amazing. Well done. Well done. Oh, really? Fuck you. Fuck you. You're my son, you piece of shit.

You're my... Fuck you. You know you're a piece of shit. And that's what you get. Now what are you gonna say luke campbell who can't fucking devin haney you now who you got who do you got who's drawing this how about you know he's good you're running this is good it's a good performance. Sorry. I know you're emotional. Man, sorry. It's his fault.

When you win, I'll give you all the respect in the world. Okay, give Ryan the respect. I just told him. You did? Absolutely. This is how we work. Sorry. Don't worry.

I was starting to get it. Zero to 60, back to zero. He was like, who you got? He was like, Jerron Ennis. And he's like, how about Pitbull? First of all, Pitbull versusbull versus crew versus uh garcia i hadn't even thought about that that's a crazy fight that would be because think about it to to snuff ryan's left hook you have to get inside that's what people does exactly what he does

he's tough and he's durable he went the distance with tank folks forget that too banged up roly uh but then dude geron ennis is a whole other can of worms i'd actually wish now ryan doesn't have the title so there's he can call the shots in a lot of ways but you don't need a title just fight roly wouldn't that be fun man team bat shit versus stay busy and fight i mean you'd have to bring pbc and al hayman it's difficult but it's honestly though like i would i would favor ryan in a fight like that i think i would too but it would be interesting it would be a spectacle uh finally luke this is the a badass picture i wish i got the photographers uh that is so fucking amazing i again dude as somebody who just didn't see it It would be a spectacle. Finally, Luke, this is a badass picture. I wish I got the photographer's. That is so fucking amazing.

Again, dude, as somebody who just didn't see it coming and then to see this. But that's not why I post this. Look, fashion is, you know, in the eyes of the beholder. What do you think of his crocheted boots? They were interesting. Yeah, bro. The shoes of Devin Haney. They didn't do him a whole lot of good, did it? I liked what he wore against Loma and against Progray.

I was hip on his kit. I liked his kit. Also, he had the shiny gloves in the Loma fight. You know, the red ones that really glisten. And he looked just kind of dull this time. The whole thing was kind of dull for him. Dull to bad. Yeah, yeah.

I'm with you on there. Speaking of the baddest tour, I saw Josh Gross backstage. Put the picture back up. That's how BC talks to the homeless in the subway. You should see it. I got to catch up with Josh Gross backstage. I haven't talked to him in forever. Where did you see Josh Gross backstage? This is how, put the picture back up. That's how BC talks to the homeless in the subway. You should see it. I'll stop that. I got to catch up with Josh Gross backstage. I haven't talked to him in forever.

Where did you see Josh Gross? In LA on the Baddest Tour. Also, Milton was there. Milton McCroy, the boxing coach of Logan Paul. Remember him? Coach Milton? The trainer? The black guy?

Yeah. Yes. That was good to see. And a few, Danny Segura I saw in Miami. It was fun to catch up with. I saw some old MK people. I saw Tristan in New York. Did he knife you? No, but I was wondering what rabid animals he has fun to catch up with. I saw some old MK people. I saw Tristan in New York. Did he knife you?

No, but I was wondering what rabid animals he has added to his landscape there. I love that man. Let's keep it going there, Luke. You know, runaway bull clips, we put it on there. I see them at the PATH station. We put it on there to see people get handled, but I don't like it when BBLs take smoke on that. You know, Luke?

Oh, no. What the fuck? Oh, no. She about to lift. Oh, Bertha got trampled. What the fuck? Oh, that's, see, yeah. You know, here's Oh, no. What the fuck? Oh, no. She about to lift. Oh, Bertha got trampled. What the fuck? Oh, that's, she, yeah. You know, here's the thing, though.

You feel bad for her, but it's also like, bitch, why are you running with this giant fucking animal? Like, stop fucking with the bulls. I mean, she could just be going to the market and somebody got loose in Columbia or something. No, she was an active participant in this. What country, you think? A poor one. A poor one.

Okay. Okay. Wow. in this uh what country you think a poor one a poor one okay okay wow uh luke our fight of the week did not come in an octagon a cage or a ring it came at the nikki minaj concert in the upper deck oh boy oh bullshit now let me okay so our nikki minaj oh whale tail there it is oh whale tail makes a big appearance okay so nikki Nicki Minaj fans, they're called what? Barbies? Barbs? What are they called? Babs?

I'm not in this culture. Something like that. They have a name. I'm not in the popular pop music culture anymore to understand anything. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of whale. Oh, wow. It's like a hockey fight and a gang initiation at the same time.

With the extreme pink, I thought it was more of a Swifty thing, but this is straight Minaj here. Do Swifties fist fight? I don't know what they do. I guess Nicki Minaj fans, they definitely get busy. Yeah, they're getting after it here. Wow. Well, Big Bertha there, I can see what she's wearing on her undies. Does this turn you on at all, or does that just get awkward? I don't want to get fired, but you can imagine what my answer would be. Oh, wow. All right. Oh, look at Big Bertha. That was combat-like,

but here's the week that was elsewhere in combat sports beyond Haney Garcia. I got one for you from PFL Chicago. Not a big crowd, but there were some knockouts. Five people watched it, but it was a good show. How about Shamil Musaev giving it to our boy Logan Storlie, South Dakota's own. Look, he may have KO'd him four times in this sequence alone. I know.

Logan Storlie, by the way, four-time All-American out of University of Minnesota. He was also, I mean, dude, look at that. Dude, he gave him the Dan Hendo favor. But here's the thing about Musaiev, right? Now, I'm not an expert. I would just say I have some questions about his physique. It looks like he has potentially at some point in the past dabbled with something that affected his chest tissue.

Are you talking about left nipple gyno? Yeah, potentially. I mean, I can't make a medical diagnosis, but I would have some questions about that. That's interesting. I mean, I've seen a man with that before that once held the title of very large. Who? Israel Adesanya.

He did. He had a saggy eyelid, but I've got like a, like a saggy eyelid. You always make fun of me. Like the whole egg chin thing. I mean, it's not a saggy eyelid.

You just have a weird tick when you eat. Cause you're a fucking mutant. That's true. I said, I have one PFL highlight. I actually have a weird tick when you eat because you're a fucking mutant. That's true. I said I have one PFL highlight. I actually have a second one. You got me to look this up. You mentioned the video of Gabriel Braga, whose father was murdered. This was the finish in the celebration that he delivered.

What was the story? That was interesting. So his father had been in his corner for other PFL fights. You could see him break down right here. His dad was in Brazil and had his bike stolen. And he went to go retrieve it. And when he did, he went to some very poor area. I believe he went to a favela and was fucking murdered for it.

He was murdered. I mean, guys, I mean, it's Brazil and people are going to. I just always say if someone steals your shit, let them have it because it's not worth your fucking life. You're talking about the ATV Brian Carraway, right? Yes. It's all seriousness dude if someone like dude if people have often said this like if someone put a gun in your face to give them your car i'm giving you the car yeah it's not worth my life or my child's life anyway poor bastard he he got murdered and so i think that was dude i think that was only maybe six or eight weeks ago this was his first fight back without his father and he won it with the first round left hook. Good for him.

That's a, that's a thing. I'll never not be. Remember when I always use the reference of Brett Favre, the Monday night game where he just threw like 45 touchdowns in the first half, absurd. Everything was just,

just land. And I love those moments when people get T boat or Jeremy Lind up to like another level where you're like, why are you doing playing basketball? So while my dad was murdered. Wow. Let's keep it going here on the combat recap. Let's go to Dynasty Combat

91, Luke. And there's KO via... This is the sport of kings. Yeah, via vomit. They caught that in the strike. I just want to point out, it's like, dude, you just... This is the most MMA puke ever, because it's electric blue. Do you think it was disinfected, or they just took a towel

and they carried on? Dude, I mean, I doubt that there was a shred of disinfectant on that fucking... Would you be upset if they had like a rabid dog that was like the cage side dog? Who just ate it? And they just send the dog in to just lick it up. Because that's what my dogs would do, right? Yeah, the dogs eat the puke. Dogs are disgusting animals.

I love them, but they are fucking heinous. My wife's dog eats her own poop, Sasha. And I have lost respect for the dog because of that. And then I get yelled at for losing respect for the beloved. So I had a dog who would eat my cat's dog eats her own poop sasha and i have lost respect for the dog because of that and then i get yelled at for losing respect for the beloved so i had a dog who would eat my cat's feces and i'd be like dude oh yeah i'd be like dude there's food way better than this i don't know if you know this but there's food way better than the feces that comes out of this other animal so this weekend karate combat gave us luke rockhold versus this is what mike perry was referencing joe shilling look at it is. Look at this.

A little bit of a ridge hand he hit him with. He's unbeaten at Applebee's, Luke, but Joe Schilling on the wrong end of this karate combat. Hey, first finish. He was exonerated for that. Yes. I'm not saying he didn't have it coming, the guy that got it, but this was his first KO, I think in like almost a decade, Luke Rockhold.

He had not won, I think, in this fashion since 2017. Was that Weidman or David Branch? One of those. David Branch. Yeah, interesting. David Branch, which is, I think, in this fashion since 2017. Was that Weidman or David Branch? David Branch. Yeah, interesting. Which is, of course, an MMA fight. So we know how much you are just so anti-Ray Flores and your hate for Hasbulla. No, no. Love Ray, don't love Hasbulla. What about

Hasbulla's rival, Abdu Rozek? Do you have an opinion? I've only ever heard of him once because of you. Remember that time he was in the crowd and Saudi Arabia had the spotlight on him? And I wouldn't have even known who that was but for you. Luke Rockhold's victory lap included calling out Abdu Rozek and then tossing him around like he's a toy, Luke.

The thing is, I'd call this exploitative, but I think the guy loves it. I mean, if he, look, if Abdu Rozek showed up to our live show, I'd pick him up the same way and walk around and hug him. Remember when Mike Tyson picked up Hezbollah? This is how I hold my daughter. Yeah, see, that's a little... She's four. Yeah.

Alright, there we go. Let's keep it going here. Speaking of Mike Tyson, Luke, remember he picked up Hasbulla like a baby and tossed him around? I think he honestly thought that that guy was like six. Yeah, he's fighting, of course, Jake Paul July 20th, and he's getting in shape. He showed up in his home section of Brownsville, Brooklyn with fellow

Brooklynite, former heavyweight champion Shannon Briggs. And I don't know what this is, Luke, but it caught the Internet's attention and I smiled a lot. This is Brownsville on a Saturday, bitch. Don't think it's not. Mike loves it. Look at that. Let's go, Seth! Let's go!

Yeah, dude. Brownsville, home of the brave. That's where my favorite rapper is from, Sean Price. I'm aware of the understanding that there are levels to tough places you can grow up in New York City, and Brownsville is in the extreme. It's funny. Bedford-Stuyvesant was where Biggie was from, but that's now very, very gentrified. I don't know about Brownsville as much, but I think Jamaica, Queens is still pretty fucking rough.

Thank you. Thank you for that what about your neighborhood in dc safe uh it's not georgetown but i wouldn't call it unsafe all right be careful lifted in the front yard you never know dude you know what so i've been to tell you this you get monica sell us i actually meant to tell you about this so i was lifting in the front yard and my kid plays with my neighbor's kids they have one kid that's older one kid that's younger so they all play is that that bitch that won't share? No, no, no. It's a different one.

So they come over to my house. They want to play. And then the mom comes over to come get them an hour later or something. And she's like, oh, you're out here working out? I'm like, yeah, I sure am. She was like, do you like working out here? I'm like, well, I actually feel like a psycho working out here. And you know what she said? She goes, you know what? Someone could get that impression.

I actually think it's very impressive that's what she said her eyes say body for days as she was looking at you her mouth said very impressive but her eyes said body i'll tell you off air why that can't possibly be the case oh wow okay all right uh let's keep this great segment going here luke you wanted elder abuse you mentioned that last week i want to see some old people who just get flung check out the home Home Depot parking lot here. This is an interesting one. Oh, you fucking morons. Oh, no.

You fucking morons. Oh, no. Bye, bitch. Suck a dick. Yeah, is that my car right there? The orange Subaru? No, that's not it. That's not it.

The Lilith Fairmobile. All right. Dude, there's one in my neighborhood. Someone in my neighborhood, I think it's Melissa Etheridge, drives one of these. You should come to her window. Yeah. Come to my window. Luke, your two favorite things you could argue are what?

MMA and metal, right? And pornography, yes. Matt Brown has put two of those three favorite things together. Matt Brown is a fucking legend. Holy shit. Okay, hold on don't say anything what music is he playing

that sounds like Megadeth not a bad guess it's Slayer okay that's the only time I will ever accept quarter squats

is when you're doing that by the way show it one more time let's see if BC knows his way around a gym okay BC what kind of bar is he using By the way, show it one more time. Let's see if BC knows his way around a gym. Okay, BC, what kind of bar is he using? With that extra impact or the dip at the end of it?

I don't know what that's called. Okay, so you see that the handle position is out here in front of you. This is where the handle position is, and then the way it's come out lower. It's called a safety squat bar, SSB. When we worked out together for the doc cams in Miami that time, you gave me a tutorial as if you were a community college professor. That's the only thing I've got is community college level knowledge of the gym. That's it. They'll make bongs out of anything these days, including pizza.

They've been making bongs out of shit like... Including pizza. Once again, combining two of your four favorite things. Let me fucking explain to you that if there was a pizza joint that was like one of the slices in this pie is a makeshift bong, I'd be ordering every day.

It's up to you as the consumer to find which one it is. I don't want to have to do fucking engineering. No. Send me a slice that's a fucking bong. In between hits, you want to take a bite out of it. Exactly. It makes a lot of sense. All right, Luke, this is me when you asked me to hang out on the road happy graduation and he is going bc you want to hang out and he could go oh that's kind of how i felt when i left higher education yeah i mean this

guy i think i'm fucking done the The second he graduated. The second. Yeah. I had friends who continued on to grad school. I don't know how they did it. Oh, I had a lot of friends who did mushrooms on graduation. On graduation day? Yeah, like at the ceremony. I was still in the Marine Corps when I graduated, so I couldn't do drugs. Yeah, I mean, I wasn't at that level of hard drug use at that point at 17, but that was interesting.

It's not doing whippets behind an Arby's. Which I can tell you from experience is as glamorous as it sounds. I'm an experienced whippet. Let's go to our haircut of the week, Luke. Just burn this motherfucker alive. Which stadium is that? Is this the Maracanã? What is this? Yeah, I mean, it's in... It is!

It is the Maracanã! I got it right! What does that mean? Maracanã is like one of the most famous stadiums in soccer in the world. Is that where the Olympics were? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the Olympics played there as well. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

That was your haircut of the week. We got to skip your ass boss license plate of the week, but we can go on to the next thing of the week. How about t-shirt? Is a overweight lady with a Cubs jersey on and underneath it has a shirt that says, I'm here for the gangbang. Well, that's why that guy threw up electric blue. Dude, what would it take for you to join in on one of those things?

Okay, this is too far. Was she in your Marine Corps group? No. She's too overweight to be in the Marine Corps. But that is a similar kind of experience. All right. The regional MMA moment of the week, Luke. I forgot what this is, but I wrote down Diddy Celebration.

Oh, yeah. Watch. He gets behind him here. Watch. You'll see. Oh, this is like Adesanya on Costaa right yeah oh wow oh but you know again i cannot tell you i spent the first 15 years of my career and people like dude mma is so gay i'd be like are you out of your mind no it's not let me explain something to you mma is the gayest sport oh what are you

craig jones now come on it's the gay dude look at this it's so homoerotic this and jujitsu are the two absolute gayest sports alive. Okay. That'll be our last episode. But before we do, here's your poor parenting move of the week. Oh, Jesus fucking Christ, lady. Oh, boy. One, two, three tumbles at that fucking kid.

Dude, hold on to your fucking kids. When you day drink at the old, yeah, that is. Dude, you got to be on your P's and fucking Q's, man. All right. Luke, how many YouTube subs do we need to get to before you are willing to try this in public? Where we both are willing to have. Clear the dance floor. White boy's got to get busy.

The time of our life. Like we've never felt. Oh, is he about to go eat some dirt? Oh, fuck me. Right. Oh, shit. The white boys have felt. Oh, is he about to go eat some dirt? Oh, fuck me. Right. Oh, shit. The white boys have swag. Oh, he cleared those.

Suck the landing, too. No one got injured. Luke, this could be us one day. First of all, Barstool Albany is the only thing going on in Albany. I just want to point that out. Second of all, I got to say. Look, he tucked in the shirt beforehand. These two honkers pulled it off.

Well done. You know, I normally like to clown the whites on this show, but I got to give him a hand on this one. That was actually well done. Luke, there's very different variations of American pro football. Have you ever played Capture the Hog before? Is that like a, okay, what are we doing here? Oh, that's a tackle.

Just grab that. And Capture the Hog, that's a tackle. He's down. Yeah, Capture the Hog, yeah. I don't know if I want to play a, that's a tackle. He's down. Yeah, capture the hog, yeah. I don't know if I want to play a game that's predicated on sexual harassment. And finally, Luke, we had a big fight announcement coming up in Saudi in a few months when on the undercard we see Deontay Wilder against Jaleh Big Bang Zhang. And they teed up old Big Bang.

Okay, hold on. Before we play this, let me just say this. I'm not going to spoil it. I cannot believe that they did this like dude is he in on the joke can't be can't be let's go to the videotape chinese power alabama power we're going to ban each hour hey toey we made it! This is Brian Campbell in every meeting we have about the future of MK. We are going to bang each other. I mean, really, all you ever hear from our angry fans, and we had a lot of them during our time off,

was, when are these two just going to put the arms down and bang for once? Just bang. You know, there you go right there. First of all, Big Bang Zhang might win that fucking fight. There's a lot of pressure on him. I'm actually, of all the fights on that prelim card Well, not really hard with the main card whatever the five and five not counting the main Did you like when they showed up with like the movie hockey masks with like the I thought that was fucking pretty I'm telling you

I'm telling you what? Sports washing everything. I'm not saying it's not a relevant conversation if I'm just saying though. What has Saudi money? Done to in particular heavyweight boxing but boxing more generally dude it has it has been incredible what they've done two saudi adjustments to speak of from turkey al-ashik here before we close one he announced on twitter that he's now going to target the smaller weight classes like below welterweight all the way down which is interesting two he's partnering did you see he posted that picture with him and Louis DeCubis Jr., who more or less works for the PBC, right, for Al Heyman?

And it looks like he's going to bring his first fight card to the States in Los Angeles and do Terrence Crawford against Madrimov for one of those titles. That's an interesting development. How good is Madrimov? He's good. I mean, he's not Terrence Crawford good. I like the idea that Crawford's moving up in weight. And by the way, he's not young. It's been a long time since he fought Spence. It's an interesting development how good is madrimov he's good i mean he's not terence crawford good i like the idea that crawford's moving up in wade and by the way he's not young it's been a long time since he fought spence it's an interesting matchup but this is this is we always said you

can do big things in saudi arabia and there's as long as the money lasts and looks like can last for a while but like we're not using pbc what's going on is this the beginning of chopping that door down could we get tank against haney or taking i mean not haney anymore after that you know i'm saying? But like the fights that we thought were going to be too hard to make because somebody's going to demand a side money when there's only a certain amount of money. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Could Saudi fill that gap where we can finally see tank against all the people that they think he's not fighting. Right. Is this, I don't know, but I certainly hope also, he said, he's also, he said he's targeting Crawford versus Ennis. He publicly said it. He wants to have Bud Crawford fight Jerron Ennis. I got to tell you, like, Jerron Ennis versus Ryan Garcia would be big,

but I would rather see Crawford fight him. Of course we'd all rather see them fight each other and at 147, although I don't know if that's possible anymore. Did you hear what Boots said in his initial media tour after signing with Eddie Hearn and Matchroom Sport? No. He said that he sees his career ending with a light heavyweight championship win

175 in winning titles in each division on the road to getting there. That seems ambitious. That is ambitious as shit. Now, is it different than, like, Oscar De La Hoya going as high as 160 and starting out at, like, 130? I mean,

Manny starting out at 106 and topping off at 150. I mean, there's been incredible leaps. Roy Jones but this is... Yeah, I'm shaking the table. The table, like, look here, watch it. I don't know if you can hear it. Can you hear it? Like, it rattles in a mix. We're going to work on that. But that is the show for this week.

And I think, you know, we had the 300 recap last week that did crazy numbers. Thank you to everybody for tuning in. I think we're on a good momentum swing as we continue to build. And by the way, a week from this week is Canelo versus Munguia, PBC on Prime Video. Well, fight week isn't a week. Yeah, a week from today is the start of that fight week, which is a great fight, by the way.

We're fitting to be there in Las Vegas. I think we're going to be there, yeah. So it should be a lot of fun. By the way, also, it's the same day as UFC 301. Yes, in Brazil. So we'll have to figure out how we're going to do our coverage. Which is one of the, right now, unless they put Pineda Pereira on there,

it is one of the worst pay-per-view cards on paper ever. We have to be honest. Just be honest about that. I will be honest that the pay-per-view card is not inspiring, but I will say that the main event is actually very good. Yes, I like Erseg. It's very good. Again, the question of should it be a main event?

I don't know. But is Pantoja versus Erseg a good fight? Yes, it is a good fight. What is your early movement on Jose Aldo coming back against, what is it, Jonathan Martinez? Yeah, I kind of like, I think Martinez will be up against it, and a guy like Aldo, even with the time off. But I don't hate it.

I don't hate it. There you go. That's the show for the week. Cock and balls. Follow us on socials if you can drop that down. Yeah, put the socials up there. Long Island Luke. Look, we know there was a gap, right?

We were going to have to rebuild, but we're getting momentum again. We're building, and it's all because of you fans. So we are going to bring fan subs back soon. Let's work on this. And also, let's remind everyone, if you didn't catch the live show, whichever one you can on YouTube, youtube.com slash morningcombat, you can catch us on the DraftKings Network, 5 p.m. in the east today on Monday. Fantastic.

This is great. What are you going to do with the rest of your day? I'm going to sit on the train for four hours. I'm going to go back and see my family. I've been gone for eight days, and we were on family vacation for the week before that, so I miss my animals. You know what I mean? A real man realizes... You're going to sit down with him and eat some feces together? Probably, but no. Reggie Jackson,

he needs his dad in his life, and I respect that. The single mom thing isn't fully working out for him. Alright, very good. Want to take us out? Yeah, alright. Thank you to Long Island Luke and the great new team here at Metalog Behind the Scenes. Hey we saw Jake Von Fuckface Jake Von Amsterdam is here

filming content for a future something I don't want to tease people. He's the one if you're asking who this is, this is the guy that filmed many things the documentaries where we went to the house and everything I don't know, there could be some new people, I don't know that's true he's very forgettable. YouTube.com

slash Morning Combat. We still have the full documentary series. If you missed that seven episodes, go check that out. For everybody here, Luke Thomas, Long Island Luke, all our great staff, Matt Snyder. We love that guy too. Thank you to everybody. And a week from today, we will be back

and we will be setting the stage for Canelo Munguia. We'll be recapping the UFC Fight Night card, previewing you 301, and we're going to be back and ready to bang too. So that's it. Big bang. Zang. We are here to bang each other.

We out.