MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Topuria & Barber Shine At UFC on ABC 5 | PFL Controversy | Carlos Adames | Ep 457

Episode Date: June 26, 2023

On Episode 457 of Morning Kombat Luke Thomas and Brian Campbell react to the combat sports weekend. The boys start off with UFC on ABC 5. What are the guys thoughts after Ilia Topuria's dominant win over Josh Emmett? Is this the first time Maycee Barber showed us her true potential? The guys also break down PFL's card on Friday and their decision to remove Natan Schulte from the playoffs. Is this a justified call? The guys close out the main topics with a weekend boxing recap before Dm's from donks and HYSTS. (8:20) - Ilia Topuria Dominates Josh Emmett (32:00) - Maycee Barber Defeats Amanda Ribas  (48:10) - Rest of UFC on ABC 5 (52:40) - PFL Controversy (73:40) - Weekend Boxing Recap (96:00) - Dm's from Donks Morning Kombat is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher and wherever else you listen to podcasts.     For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm Brian Campbell. This is Morning Combat. Hey, it's the first of the month. Wake up, wake up, wake up, Casio Chex and get up. It's not. It's just actually the 26th of June, but I wanted to say it anyway. Hi, everyone. June 26, 2023. Welcome to another edition of Morning Combat. The best show in combat sports, mostly on Zoom these days. Hi, everyone. My name is Luke Thomas.

I am merely one half of your hosting duo. I join you from the capital of the Estados Unidos right here in Washington, D.C., joined by the man with the gangster lean and a bunch of imaginary titles. He's my friend and yours. He has unbelievable CTE. It's Brian Campbell. To be fair, Lukeke they are at least established titles you can call me the laird the laird of london okay luke thank you very much yes the laird of london you didn't get laird in london i know that i was there with you you were

you were just you were quite barely did barely did in the lower 48 too, Luke, but what are you going to do about that? You know what I mean? Yeah, all right. Hey, we had an interesting weekend of combat sports, did we not? Nothing is trending on YouTube in the U.S. for combat sports other than slam ball meets MMA because combat sports is a little bit down these days. But, you know, when I say that, people think I'm imagining it. I'm actually not, but it's real. Nevertheless, we did have some interesting action over the weekend.

UFC on ABC 5 will react to Ilya Teporya's big win over Josh Emmett. We, of course, had on top of that some PFL controversies. We'll get to those as well. Hey, dicey, dicey, Bapa. What are we doing, Smart Cage? Come on, right? All right, all right. Skits and bits already.

Skits and bits already. But you get the idea. There's actually a lot. Plus, there was some decent boxing over the weekend bc and i called some of the prelims for the carlos adamas and julian j rock williams fight so we have a fair amount to get to here today thumbs up if you're watching on youtube uh it costs you nothing to be a subscriber here it's completely free just click it and you're done that's it super simple and then of course on top of that if you're listening on your favorite audio podcast platform uh you can uh give us a nice review there bc how was the rest of your

weekend did you do anything yesterday with the fam after we parted ways yes my mom is up visiting from florida so you know mini golf you know take out i mean it was you know it's the it's the full family affair good times great oldies luke okay thank you um bc i have to tell you i went mini golfing yesterday too with the fam and it was a bit of a disaster did toques lose her ish well yes she definitely did i mean she's like yes it did she did explode yes it did happen you know she's definitely four but uh i i'm not here's the thing. I just don't know what the right age is for when kids are ready for, like, structured gameplay. Right, right.

And I keep getting that one wrong, which is on me. It's on me to get that one right. But I just, I don't know. What would you say is a good age to send kids to that? Well, we have a running joke in our family related to mini golf that one of my twin sons, because of the, I mean, I've said it before,, whether I'm on a basketball court or have a controller in my hand, or I'm competing for podcast awards, I sometimes fall victim to my own over grossification of a fighting spirit and competitiveness that we were marveling yesterday as a family, that this is one of the first times

we've played mini golf without at least one of my sons crying out of anger and frustration. So that's, you know, that's a good developing sign, Luke. Okay. There you go. Yeah. We weren't quite there, but like, I like to, I'm not, I don't, I don't like to like hardcore compete, like who is number one, but you know, my family likes to just sort of take it easy. I like a little bit more structure and yeah, it didn't quite work. Mostly for my fault, but it didn't quite work mostly for my fault but it didn't quite work what are you did you did you say anything aggressively mad in spanish like i caramba tooks okay we don't

say simpsons phrases if that's what you mean um we don't do that um i mean really what are we doing here i'm gonna do this it's it's i caramba i mean that's the thing that's the thing that bart simpson says not like that was my first point of reference, Luke. I'm sorry. I grew up sheltered. All right. So, no, we didn't do that. But then we did get bubble tea later and everything was right in the world.

Oh, dude. Bubble tea does fix. It does fix a lot of things. Tell you, Tukster gets a mango bubble tea, less sugar because obviously she's a kid. Boy, she will be your champion for life. Let me just say that. So there you go. All right. So we have a lot to get to. to as I mentioned all the standard accoutrement is already there

You've oh showtime.com 30-day free trial if you like it, you can keep it. If not, you can bounce that's there Also, i'm hearing good things now. I don't have anything to announce today bc I don't i'm not announcing anything, but we did have some conversations in studio with some folks behind the scenes on Saturday. I am under the impression, BC, correct me if I'm wrong, that we're going to have our merch sorted probably very soon. Yeah, I got two letters for you. R.J. Dunkel Gangbang, Luke. Okay, yes, yes. don't go gangbang luke okay yes yes uh uh you know this is a a willis reed level comeback here from the great one and um i'm told luke that the old the old donkle jobber himself is back on the

job as of like today as of like last week as of like yesterday so if if rj could reach out to average joe art and we can really you know spark a new merch revolution i mean you know that'd be fantastic all right so we got some stuff to work on but i'm told that that there's some significant improvements coming towards that so i'm very excited to hear that and of course if you want to email the show morningcombat at gmail.com hey we got to say thanks to everyone who tuned in for the prelims that we called on saturday bc and i will be back calling the prelims for the next uh boots ennis fight which will be july 8th i want to actually we should mention a note here before we get the show started very quickly so bc and i are

not going to be in las vegas for international fight week this year we wanted to go um it just didn't work out there were corporate travel hiccups luke that's the answer but but here's the good news here's the good news so that day on the boxing side july 8th i believe is the day which is a saturday obviously bc and i will be together in atlantic city we'll be calling the boxing prelims for that and then when that is over we're going to watch the ufc fights together and we're going to do a post fight show together uh either from our hotel room or some other place so we actually are going to have live results for you together just not from las vegas because bc even when we go to vegas we're still just in our hotel rooms on saturday night yeah doing the post-fight show a lot of times those trips are more about the content you can consume during the week but we're

still going to cover the absolute shit out of international fight week we'll be in studio that friday july 7th and uh we're coming at you big we just happen to like juggling jobs and paychecks and you know they're like hey you want to call the prelims ringside in lanc city we're like uh hey yeah yeah yeah please let's do it sign me up all right bc anything else have i forgotten are you ready to get this party started i just want to always shout out our great listeners luke you know you and i are running competitive not really competitive scams, but just the same, Luke. Cameo.com slash Brian Campbell, my only pipes. Just off the hook, Luke, right now.

And it's because of those fine people out there that want a little BC sprinkled into their, you know, happy anniversaries and birthdays and life advice. Thank you, folks. You're keeping me well stocked with vinyl records while my kids recover from wearing braces thank you so much there you have it all right the brian campbell special and by the way uh the tukester started her first day today at summer camp so oh yeah see how that goes yeah we'll see how that goes um okay with that out of the way bc let's get this party started shall we topic number one where else would we start UFC content UFC was back on ABC for the fifth time in a headlining contest between featherweights Ilya Tsyporia and Josh Emmett and

BC I'm not sure what to say about this other than when you look at the scorecards of 50 44 50 42 and then ultimately 149 45 which I don't quite get, but okay, it doesn't even really matter. We're talking about domination is a somewhat strong word, but Josh Emmett was really never in this fight. Ilya Teporia shined. So BC, my question to you is as follows, true or false? I'm sorry, what am I saying? First time asked as follows. Here we go. What kind of qualities did Teporia show you in this win? And I mean by that is did he show you championship level quality this time yeah and on a macro level he showed me that he is the next featherweight championship contender to wake up and take notice of but specifically on a micro level what skills did he show us well look he scored a 50-42 for only the third time in UFC history. I think Chris Lee even gave him a nice 10-7 round, Luke. First time we've, an absolute badass, but just pouring out full

levels of elite refinery from the standpoints of boxing technique, setup, defense. You heard Dom Cruz on the broadcast constantly call out the slight little back steps just to be just out of punching range of Josh Emmett. Now, to be fair, styles make fights. And in this specific matchup, the style contrast, including speed, really fell into the favor of Teporia. But what he did with that advantage, this is championship level. I had coach Phil McKagan texted me after going like, is he ready for Max in Volk right now? And the answer, Luke, after this performance, you're damn right he is. Is he going to beat those guys? The future is going to tell.

But what we needed out of this close-up against an absolutely true elite in Josh Emmett, a true title contender, fresh off the destruction last time for Teporia against Bryce Mitchell to get us to this point, we needed to know. We know he's coming, but is he built to last? Is he built to get to the top? Luke, after Saturday afternoon on ABC, I think we have to all say in unison, this absolutely is the next great threat

to the featherweight championship. Yeah, he's the next big thing in the UFC. I mean, I just don't see how you can really question that, at least at the present moment. By the way, remember before this fight, or maybe even before the Bryce Mitchell fight, I guess after the Jai Herbert fight or somewhere around that time,

folks were talking about Ilya Toria versus patty pimblet like yeah that would be a very i said at the time but on this show that would be a horrible fight for patty you would all right what about what about ilia versus patty and molly at the same time uh that different story i mean but it wouldn't be a gimmick because everyone would want to see it bc we don't do that We don't do those fights here. We just don't do gimmicks here. We don't do gimmicks. I mean, that's just not a gimmick.

I figured out if you just call something not a gimmick, all of a sudden it's not a gimmick anymore. Yeah. Slapping. Not a gimmick. Not a gimmick. It's real combat. Okay. It's real.

They signed up for it. Don't look at us. They signed up for it. All right. Hey, it's sanctioned. It's regulated. You know what I'm saying because they signed up for it. Don't look at us. They signed up for it, all right? Hey, it's sanctioned. It's regulated. You know what I'm saying? Not a gimmick. Not a gimmick at all.

It only came from hip-hop radio stations giving away prizes, but definitely not a gimmick. All right. Neither here nor there, BC. In terms of Ilya Teporia, he's 26 years of age. He landed 152 significant strikes on Josh Emmett, in my view, did not lose a round. Again, you saw the scorecards, 50-42 and then 50-44 on the other side. Not only that, in the third round, he then scores three takedowns with three minutes and a half of control time. He out-wrestled Josh

Emmett. He outstruck Josh Emmett. He clearly out-fought Josh Emmett. He was leagues above Josh Emmett. Now, you might say, well, you know, a guy like Yair put him away. What does that say about how they match up and everything else? Well, I just want to point out something again. 26 years of age. Dude, Ilya Teporia is not even in his prime yet. In my judgment, it is simply a matter of time before he gets a UFC belt. That is how confident I am. At 26 years of age, to have this much skill and not a lot of miles. He's only 14 fights into his career. He's undefeated. He has

double-digit fights, but not a huge amount, right? Still in the teens, lower teens actually for that matter. And then to that point, his striking was already very good. He was already very powerful, but BC, look at how good the defensive decision-making was. Look at how good it was in terms of picking the moments of engagement versus disengagement, sticking to a game plan, keeping a cool head and everything else in between. Ilya Teporia, in my judgment, there's just not a doubt about whether he's going to be a champion. The only question is, does it happen in 2024 or 2025?

And then to that end, who does it, pardon me, happen against? So BC. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you just say there's no doubt that he will become a champion? It just comes down to what year it is. I mean, look, here's what I'm going to say about that. He showed us he's of the ilk to contend and be a monster threat to become champion. And I had nothing negative to say about that performance, but you're saying outright him doing that to Emmett tells you he will be a champion. Him doing that to Emmett, showing the improvements, like even from the Bryce Mitchell fight, there's an improvement from that in terms of defensive soundness.

At age 26, BC, that's the point I'm trying to make at age 26 to be this good this far ahead of the rest of the pack tells me could he beat Max tomorrow maybe could he beat Volk tomorrow I'm a little bit more skeptical about that I probably am skeptical in both directions but in another year's time, do I think he can beat those guys? Yeah. There's not a doubt in my mind. He can beat those guys. You were just very matter of fact about it.

And I'm like, damn. All right. I mean, look, it was a fantastic performance. I mean, look,

even look, I think he actually needed those rounds. I don't think the fight should have gone on. I agree with Ilya that it, it could have, and really should have been stopped at the end of round four. It's not that, I mean,

the reason why it wasn't is because of Joshosh emmett's reputation his incredible toughness and the fact i believe that you know there were certain points in the final i think was the end around four where he started to actually land a couple big shots emmett and you're suddenly like are we going to close the door on the potential of this big rally i wish they would have though because of how violent and destructive the one-sided fight was but even in the brief moments where josh emmett loaded up and landed one big desperate punch even on top of that luke taporia showed us an iron chin his poise you and i were watching it together rounds one two and three were just like damn look at the poise and patience it was like scientific but i'm actually

happy for him in the long run even though i wish this fight didn't go on for Emmett's health, that Toporia got that five-round block out of his way. He got to show you that over five rounds, he's not going to get too tired. He's not going to give in and get lured into a brawl. He's going to stay the calculated technician. So maybe everything you just said about we could be seeing the next champion and you're saying almost matter of fact. I mean, what am I going to say against that, Luke? It was absolutely brilliant from start to finish. Well, the thing is, I just don't know what they're going to do about Max,

which I want to talk about in just a second. But BC, here's the point about Volkanovski that I think you have to make. And listen, who's been higher on Volkanovski than me? Like, dude, you know, I've been riding this train for a long time, but he's 34 years of age. He'll be 35 in September. Now, again, that 35 demarcation line, I know I talk about it a lot. It is not some magic number, especially a guy as talented as Volkanovski.

He might be able to continue to reign after that. But BC, at UFC 290, he's going to fight Yair. And we are both kind of of the mind that he might stick around to fight Max again, or he might stick around to fight Teporia at some point. But he's probably going to go to 155. So some of that equation may not even be relevant anymore. So he's probably going to go to 155 so that some of that equation may not even be relevant anymore so he's either going to be too old or in a different division for him to be at his best or even and again if he's in 155 it doesn't even matter anyway

so it kind of leaves you with like maybe he'll stick around but it's probably going to be max and i think max is you know proven to be next level durable um and i think would give toporia a very very tough fight but by you know let's. Let's say they fight in a year's time, just thinking about how rapidly this guy's getting better, and I really want folks to focus in on that. It's not just a matter of how skilled he is today. He's at the stage of his career, and he apparently has natural aptitude for learning how to fight in ways that a lot of other pro fighters do not the level of improvement he is going to have between now and a year is hard to overstate now of course that will

eventually run out he'll probably he'll probably peak earlier and get out of the sport earlier who knows i'm just pointing out he is improving he's already this good and he's improving in the most important fundamental ways at warp speed how many times on the show for example do i talk do I talk about another guy who's 26 years old in Armin Saryukian? And I'm like, let's pump the brakes a little bit with him because he's obviously very skilled. But there's still some things that are not quite coming along. Dude, every time you watch Ilya Teporia, you can matter-of-factly see. Dude, he's not so much. We talked about this.

Who was the guy we were talking about this before, BC? It's not so much that he's at the point now where he's not so much, we talked about this, who was the guy we were talking about this before BC, it's not so much that he's at the point now where he's adding things, he's at the point now where he's subtracting certain problems from his game by getting better defensive sensibilities, understanding engagement, when to follow through, and maybe it made him slightly less of a potent force than he was, you know, in other contests, but it made him a much more difficult one to solve. This guy is, you know, prodigy is a strong word. I wouldn't say that, but he has clear natural aptitude. He had, I'm going to say it one more time. He has not even entered his prime yet. Holy shit, folks. If this guy doesn't have a title winning future on him, I don't know who does.

I honestly don't know who would. A lot is going to depend on Volkanovski, as you mentioned. You and I, we welcomed in Chuck Mendenhall, Luke, and filmed a pregame preview over the weekend for this fantastic card coming up. And I hope Volk win or lose against Yair unless it's a close loss to Yair for Alex where there's dispute and he really wants to, you know, feel vindicated to clear that record.

I'd love for Volkanovski to go up to 155, seek the Mahatchev rematch and seek, you know, a second chapter, a new life and a new division to try to add on to his greatness and max himself out. Think of the core that we have right now. Max has still got it. Yair, win or lose against Volk is at the very peak of his game. Teporia has just knocked on that door. Ortega is going to have a couple of huge fights left. I think Featherweight's ready for a reset. And I don't know exactly who falls next for Teporia because it's based on a

few different things, but it's going to be a fun future at Featherweight. And it's almost like it's weird. I'm actively telling the best fighter in the sport volkanovski to leave the division and it will get even more fun if he does when do you ever say that so let's let's game this out bc you've got max with an upcoming title fight super not titled i'm sorry an upcoming uh i think it's a main event slot but certainly a fight against korean zombie now you've also got volk and Yair let's posit a scenario where Yair wins and to that point wins convincingly stoppage or something right what do you do with Teporia then okay um I'm still of the belief because of Max's stature name the level that he is at, that if Yair wins under any circumstance that is not controversial, that you stop what you're doing and give Max, provided he would beat

TKZ in Singapore and not get hurt, which is, you know, more likely or possible, very likely. I think Max versus Yair in a rematch of a great action fight in which Max won, but it was very close, is the fight to make. Under that scenario, Tepurio would have to wait under that scenario, Luke. I think that opens up the door if Volkanovski did not leave the division to make a fourth Alex Volk fight

under the only circumstance of where it would work with Holloway having regained his crown. But again, I don't think we even get there. I think Volkanovski's going out, but i'm still going to stand on this and say max has shown us that he's still great he can beat anybody in this division but volkanovsky if yair wins this that's the fight i want even with this tapiria breakthrough but tell me if if you know if as usual luke i'm way off on mma you tell me i don't

think you're i don't think you're way off, but it does create a real big problem. Cause here's the thing. The neat answer would be Volk beats Yair, goes to 155, drops the belt. The winner of basically Holloway, TKZ, faces Teporia for the vacant belt. That's actually like the cleanest scenario.

In Spain or no? Cause Teporia said he's only fighting Max in a non-title fight if it's in Spain obviously if it's a title fight it could be anywhere but they got a chance to blow Spain up here with what Tuporia is doing yeah I would hope that they would put it in Spain I want to talk about that in just a minute but I'm just thinking like matchup matchup the best case scenario is Volk wins drops it and then you can reconstitute it if he wins then I think they're going to give Yair a rematch. You know, you beat the number one pound-for-pound guy in the sport, they're just going to make you do it

twice. That's just how it goes. Even if you win. You don't think so? No, dude. If he wins and it's not, again, disputed, could have gone either way, Volk's out. He's out, dude. He's going north. So you think he's out no matter what? I do. Again, unless it's like unless he's like, I know I beat Yair.

It was a great fight. Let's do it again so I can prove that to you. Now, Luke, I could be wrong. I'm not in the brain of Volkanovski. I thought Adesanya would already be out at middleweight, and he's still sort of lingering, figuring out his future. Alex could just as easily say, you know what? Tapuria is exciting me and surprising me. I beat Yair. Let's do that. But yeah, I do think he's out, Luke. Nobody, Mikey jumping in

saying he'd love to see Yair versus Tepuria. Nobody would kick that out of the bed, Luke, but Max is still here, and I love it. Also, don't forget, Ortega is coming back. The rumor seems to be Giga Chikadze, so damn, Featherweight's fun as shit. I mean, it never stopped being, Luke.

It doesn't always get the fanfare of bantamweight and lightweight, but you're talking about Arnold Allen looking for a recovery fight. You're talking about, you know, Cater still there. This is fun. Evlo, Ev, Mitchell, this is a fun division. I want to talk about something about Ilya Teporya that I noticed as well this week. I mean, I guess I had maybe picked up on it before, but not really.

It was crystallized for me on saturday bc i know you joke about people having popularity from countries outside the united states as if it's not real but it is quite real in fact when did i ever do that luke do you see tajikistan they're going nuts anytime their fighters dude spain is a much more relevant large and important market than Tajikistan. And I think I'm just giving respect where respect is deserved across the globe. Cause they turn out for their fighters. Okay.

Yeah. You could add up the top five NFL players in terms of popularity, and they still wouldn't match the level of popularity that Sergio Ramos has. Oh God. Before we go any further, Luke has not in, dude,

that's not in any, hold on. That's not in any way an exaggeration. That is OK. But you have I'm not talking about the Caribbean island, but you have a bone air the size of the Eiffel Tower for the idea that this this elite footballer would come and infiltrate the UFC and show everybody, you know, how great Teporia is. Well, here's the thing. You don't understand BC. This man has more followers than the entire NBA combined. That's cool, Luke, but it's not moving me on the level. Well, here's the thing. I was talking about this with some other journalists yesterday. I had some phone conversations. If he wins a title, if and when he wins a title,

I think everything will coalesce at once. But he's certainly much more popular right now in Spain than he is in the United States at least for you but dude something I noticed this now I want to say this up front my Spanish is not good it's not good at all so if any native Spanish speaker thinks this is wrong by all means speak out but I don't think they're going to disagree with this one which is I noticed how to pour you talks in English and BC his English is pretty good. Actually. Like he seems very conversational with it.

It is. I just cannot overstate this. Ladies and gentlemen, that is not how he sounds in Spanish at all, at all. It is. If it is, as if he is a different person when he speaks in Spanish.

And I know he's obviously natively Georgian has kind of adopted Spain and they have adopted him. And it's this working relationship, dude, he's got like, he's obviously natively Georgian has kind of adopted Spain and they have adopted him and it's this working relationship dude he's got like he's his voice sounds different he's got way more like machismo and swag when he talks in Spanish his English is this very diet version of what he normally sounds like so he does for example if you look at the media scrums that he did uh post fight if you look at the English scrums that he did post-fight, if you look at the English language numbers, they're very so-so. If you look at the Spanish language numbers, they're enormous. They're huge. They're huge. So what I'm trying to point out to you here is, BC, Sergio Ramos showing up doesn't do much for any American fan. I totally get that. But what it

shows you is on the leading edge of what's going on over in Spain, and I would say more broadly Europe and in many ways the rest of the world, but starting with Spain, obviously. If Toporia can keep going, dude, he might be a breakthrough massive European star. Spain is dying for a guy like this. They don't have a big tradition of it. He is way more popular there than we realize,

and I think that that could lead to some pretty big goings-ons and i just want to i just want to say one more time if you've heard him speak english you do not understand what he sounds like at all in that other language very different do you think sergio ramos backstage at vice star in jacksonville was like what the who the fuck are the nelt boys why is everybody putting seltzer in my hands i mean like why is dana at the blackjack table and not here right now? What is going on? My understanding, my understanding is that after that presser, they flew to

Portia and Ramos flew to like Miami together to go party. They didn't even stay in Jacksonville. Do you think they went and partied with, with, with Messi, Luke? Cause isn't he going to be playing in Miami? Yeah. By the way. So I've talked about this. Ramos has, I think 59 million followers on instagram do you know how many um messi has

no i think he's got 424 million as it stands which is that like is that like the paul brothers and mr beast combined luke i don't really follow the trends that would be like the paul brothers plus mr beast plus a lot of other things. Plus Keith Lee. Yeah, yeah. That'd be a big number. Keith Lee. He's a TikTok guy, I think. By the way, Keith Lee at the BET Awards last night. It was good to see him walk the red carpet, you know?

Yeah. By the way, Mikey's saying, Messi joining Inter-Miami made that IG account pass almost all the other Miami team accounts like overnight. And of course, you know, once he leaves, they're going to turn back into a pumpkin. I just want to say something. Like, I just feel likegio ramos being here doesn't say anything about the american market fair enough but it does tell you what's happening else other

places and what that could lead to with some good opportunities you're talking about hey if he's going to fight max he wants to do it in spain ladies and gentlemen you put that fight in spain it's going to be massive massive over there can't overstate that enough when you reference all of these quote other places that it's blowing up your groin would be one of them luke when you saw ramos come out you were i mean you were like doing like a like a dance ramos is one of the greatest uh defenders in spanish football history uh one of the greatest defenders in real madrid history and uh the greatest defenders in Real Madrid history. And, you know, he's fucking royalty,

if ever there was one in the sporting world. Which team did you jump on again? Was it Barcelona or Madrid? It's Madrid, you fucking dope. You know that. Sorry, I was just trying to set the record straight. Yeah, you're just trying to be a dick is all you're trying to do. You just don't like it that there's these sporting figures

that are, like, infinitely more popular than American sporting figures. Because if they don't, like, play here, like, all of a sudden it just doesn't count it that there's these sporting figures that are like infinitely more popular than american sporting figures because if they don't like play here like all of a sudden it just doesn't count i guess i don't really understand that i don't know if i'm a natural ignorant american or if my you know daily battles with stress and anxiety just forced me to create this bubble that doesn't include celebrity footballers luke okay yeah yeah well the other guy who showed up fernan torres only has three million followers on Instagram. So yeah, what an absolute piece of shit that guy is, right? Yeah. He's a nothing.

Okay. But that's that. Hell of a win for him. Okay. Big question. Big question right now. Forget the matchups. Forget the scheduling.

If Teporia fought Volk tomorrow, what are the betting odds? And what are you feeling? Like, can he actually, you're saying it's basically a matter of fact that he wears a championship. He looked freaking awesome. But I did bring up that point about styles, Luke. Because what Volk did to TKZ, for example, he's not necessarily going to do to every other elite fighter. Do you think Teporia could, not at puncher's chance,

could beat Volkanovski tomorrow. So we're talking non-puncher chance? Non-craziness, right? Non-Matt Serra. I wouldn't favor him, too. I wouldn't favor him, too. No. But you're saying he is in that fight, and he's a problem for everybody. Yeah, I mean, think about it, dude. Volk has been dropped by Ortega. Volk's been put to a knee by Max a couple times he got dropped badly by chad mendez let me just explain something to you if any of those guys can drop volk fucking to oria can put his

lights out like very easily so yeah i do recognize he's a threat but it is hard at like right today to pick against volkanovsky like he is you know, the level of fight IQ is like some we've never even seen before. So I think it's where it's where to pour you is growing into. That's all. I just want to remind you that we have not seen the last of Arnold Allen, nor his evolution. Luke, he's going to be coming back to bang after this injury, right? That's fair. And like, again, he gave Max all kinds of problems in that fifth round.

So something to keep in mind there. To your point, to your point, everyone talks about the kind of the twin sort of heads of dominance of Bantamweight and lightweight with good reason. But, dude, you start looking around at featherweight, man, there is a shitload of fun fights. Yes. Especially if Max moves on. Sorry, if Volk moves on, there's a new champion and you get some fresh permutations in there. No doubt about it. All right, BC, let's a new champion, and you get some fresh permutations in there. No doubt about it. All right, BC, let's talk about that co-main event.

So Amanda Hibas took on for point number two here. Amanda Hibas took on Macy. Wait, wait, what does Mikey want? Give me a quick ranking. Yeah, I like this question, Luke. Right now, what are your pound-for-pound rankings on UFC divisions to watch? You could extend it globally if you want.

Bantamweight touches a lot of promotions in a high level. But, you know, right now. So just UFC or like in general? Either or, Luke. Whatever you feel provides a more entertaining answer. Definitely going to. I mean, the easy answer is lightweight and bantam. After that.

Well, after that, women's strawweight is probably the third best division in terms of just start to finish pound for pound competitiveness. It might be 145, to be honest with you. It might be, because what are you going to say, 170? No. No, you're going to go 145. I mean, 145 is a big fight, but light heavyweight, heavyweight? No. Okay, but real talk here, and this does transition nicely to the co-main event, the women's flyweight division 125 that we have constantly been talking about out of nowhere.

Is it creeping up to like a top four or five best division in the sport or slow your roll, BC? Well, I got to say, some of the things that we were typically anticipating just didn't show up in a very good way. So let's talk about that for just a second if we can. 125 was the division let's talk about the co-main event from UFC on ABC 5 point number two Macy Barber earned a finish over Amanda Hibas in that co-main event so BC I'm going to ask the question this way I thought she looked unbelievably good true or false this is the first time you've ever seen in your mind Macy Barber as a potential title contender. I'm going to say false on that because I do want to remind people that before the injury slash flat performance slash first loss against Roxanne

Mataferi, which was a monster betting upset at that time. We were grooming her to have a chance to beat Jon Jones' record as the youngest UFC champion. I saw big-time flashes there of future. Now, at that point, to be fair, Luke, that division was not what it is today, but did have a more dominant champion at the time on top. And I do think, looking back, if Barbara had won that fight against Matafuri, she would have gotten offered up to Valentino way too early and it would have gone bad for her. But I saw the flashes back then. Things fell apart as we've talked about ad nauseum, the two fight losing skid, and even on the four fight win

streak that led her into this, there'd been flat performances. There's been, you know, moments where she shined in certain key aspects of the fight, but was vulnerable and others. I predicted aggressively that she was going to win this fight, but I didn't necessarily see it going this way with the big stoppage. Luke, I'm here to tell you that she's back where she needs to be mindset wise, aggression wise. Look, when people said, when I was saying, take the plus money on her in this fight against he boss, a fighter that I really think is good. Uh, and I was saying, because of the aggression her in this fight against he boss a fighter that i really think is good uh and i was saying because of the aggression you know i get a lot of bbc your white belt streaks continue no at this level of women's fighting sometimes it is some of those keys that push you through her aggression is what pushed her through to not just overcome the busted nose

and the fact that it wasn't was not a perfect performance out of her still some defensive holes still some things you don't love, but she does have a superpower, I believe, in that aggression, in that want, in that willingness, in that drive that allows her to raise her game to another level when it's activated. It got activated in this one. She was mentally there to win no matter what. And she not only outworked, outlasted, she stopped, he boss. This was a dominant, strong statement. It does now allow her to enter an already crowded, in a good way, surprisingly crowded, so happy crowded top 10 rankings at 125.

But I don't think it was perfect. I do think she's got to go back to the lab and continue to work on her game but that intangible was back Luke on on on a really strong level and I think when she leans on that and refines her craft around that yeah she's a future problem but I don't think she's a future problem even after this win right now she's gonna have to continue to work and grow uh but I have seen that spirit before you're telling me i had a modifier you didn't remember brett okamoto was like he almost had aaron pico level of like anticipation about this young prospect banging the drum she was one of those early

dana white contender series fighters who were like this is what this promote this is what this league is all about get them through there get them launched in it was too early but i've seen this spirit before and it's back in her luke yeah i mean i appreciate that you know i do my own scattered report bc i'll just put it that way oh i love whatever brett says i follow yeah yeah yeah i know and then when he drops his pants you also follow because you know that's who you are but it's okay well i'm i'm gonna bring brett on and make you answer for these comments just so you know okay i like brett dude me and brett get along just fine it's you're the one who wants to bang i'm not me i mean i can't help you with that you know you understand i was in a business relationship with brett similar to the one i'm in with you now as

his editor luke you know we work together to break through the the ceilings at espn that were at the time pushing combat down so when you go through a lot of euphemistic ways of describing you want to bang him i just you know when you go through war with somebody, Luke, sometimes you look back and be like, that's my guy, no matter what. I just want to point this out, too. BC and I figured this out over the weekend because he had a short but a very effective run with Peter Rosenberg. So I had a little moment there with Brian Campbell.

I tried to explain to him the two best things in terms of shows you've ever been on have been with Washington, D.C. guys. Peter Rosenberg lives in New York now, but he cut his teeth here. We were on the same radio station. He's a Maryland guy, Luke, okay? He's a Maryland guy. He's a D.C. guy.

He's a D.C. guy. You think D.C. is basically the entire Mid-Atlantic. To be fair, you do think that. Why don't you ask Rosenberg what he is? I guarantee you he identifies as a D.C. guy. Anyway, I'm just trying to point out, we have saved your bum-ass life. Okay, neither here nor there.

Wow, Luke, you know, history may tell a different tale about where you were and who you are after meeting me, Luke. Okay, yeah. Listen, that's fair, too. That's fair, too. But listen, getting back to Macy Barber, I was high on her. Like, a lot of people were coming off the contender series

in some of her first early UFC fights. But then when she hit the kind of roadblock that she hit, I didn't think it was some kind of death sentence or anything like that. Again, she is very, very, very young. Getting back to the point about Ilya Teporia, the difference is that Ilya Teporia has never taken a back step. And even though he's been challenged in fights, he then persevered through, again, 14-0 undefeated, right?

So that's a very elite path that not everyone can or will walk through. And, of course, I don't hold those two losses against her in terms of what she can actually do, but I was waiting for this one, right? I was waiting for this one. I was waiting for a fight on a big card, or at least a relatively big card, on ABC, it's a big spotlight, right, that kind of a thing. You're in the co-main event role. It's an important fight to see who's actually going to be,

not for a title fight, but getting pretty close to some of those title fight implications, maybe one or two more after this. So it's a really important kind of contest. And more to the point, I wanted to see her somewhat challenged and then really bulldoze through. Some of the things I'd seen previously, like in the Miranda Maverick fight,

was kind of like eking things out. she didn't eke anything out this time she put it on amanda hibas really going back to what work and i want to say something else too this is going to sound surprising but i see it on tape all the time like a lot of times fighters get confused with a game plan that's not working and they're like oh oh, I got to stick to the game plan and whether it works or whether it doesn't. Now, I think that they had done this on purpose, but I just want to point out something. It looks to me like they had clearly seen something was working and they wanted to stick with it. 86% of what Macy Barber used as a target for all of her targets, 86% of them were to the head she lit amanda he boss up she found something that worked and kept going to it now this is to me an issue with amanda he boss's

striking defense it could be a lot better than it is right there's a big problem there she does not move her head very well at all but the killer instinct from Macy Barber the brutality of it all the willingness to push through getting taken down a couple times fighting right through it there was just an urgency there was a meanness there was a grittiness to it in combination with the skill so I'd seen that grittiness against overmatched opponents I'd seen some skill to kind of eke out you know get just just kind of cross that finish line. This was the first time to me, especially with those stakes,

where things really began to come together. And also, you know, I think she's really entering her full woman strength period. Like she looked like she was physically able to deal with some of these challenges, locking up with Hibas better than she had in the first. I'll tell you for me, this was the first time I saw her as like,

okay, now she might actually become a real title contender. Yeah, and that is a fair, because like I said, even though she showed us those flashes ahead of the Roxy fight, I didn't believe she's then going to beat Valentina with that. But Luca, let's be actually critical here, not of Barber in victory. She was largely fantastic and shocked a lot of us by pushing through with blood streaming from her face and getting a violent stoppage and an aggressive one in that regard. But she's talking, she's being opportunistic, and this is what a fighter should do.

She's 25 years old. She's got a five fight win streak. She is talking about when they said, who do you want next? in the press conference later, she kept bringing up Alexa Grasso, the champion who she lost to in a close fight that she felt, you know, could have, could have gone the other way, or maybe that she looks back and realizes what the growth she's done now that she can get over that Hill. The circumstances were obviously different then also Grasso's got Shevchenko most likely next in a rematch in September. Also this top 10 is filled with, with rising names. So Luke, she, Barbara was ranked 11 coming in. She beat the number nine. He boss, I do think this catapults her,

but not only do I think she won't and shouldn't get, you know, the champion next, or even someone ranked right under that. I think she would really benefit. Like I'm not, you know, a flyweight five wins in a row is a lot and again she has the name the look the highlights of her bloody winning the fight that if she gets a huge fight next no one's going to say anything but i think she would benefit a lot more fighting one of the more veteran names in the back end of this top 10 think lauren murphy think caitlin shukagi and think the jennifer amaya, because even though five in a row is impressive, there's been two split decisions in there. There's been some levels of inconsistencies.

I do think if you rewatch this Hibas fight closely, there's still some inconsistencies within there that she overcame by being so aggressive. If there is levels to this game and specifically in this division, I'd like to see her fight some of the more durable, hard to stop type fighters like Chukagian and Murphy who can really kind of stretch her and test her and make her show more of a top of this division does have elite practitioners from Grasso to Shevchenko to Blanchfield Tyler Santos that I'm not I'm not sure she's actually

ready for that yet Luke in terms of going in there with a great chance to win I'd like to see a little bit more in between and I think the rankings dictate that do you think her her potential star factor trumps that I mean there's not a real path to the title right now, to be fair for her. Yeah, there's not. And again, these are un-updated rankings. So these are the old ones. There'll be some new ones out later today or tomorrow, but they have Macy Barber sitting at 11, Amanda Hibas at nine. So it moves her up to probably, excuse me, it moves Barbara inside the top 10. But again, we've been over this before you got grasso sitting at one shevchenko at two and then fioro at uh at one then fioro at two and then santos

at three she'll fight aaron blanchfield who's at four and then after that it's andrade uh and then a bunch of other ones and i can't pronounce caitlyn chukagian's last name lauren murphy jennifer maya you know these are names that have already been up there and then you know probably i'm not going to get another title shot. So it's not too, too far. It's a couple, two more after this one maybe to get up there. In terms of your question about the – are you asking basically if the popularity is going to make a difference here? Is really what you're getting at?

Because you would agree that she does have to continue to work and grow. The game is not finalized. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Definitely not. I mean, again, this to me was a breakout performance and a clear growth of the evolution to this point but i would say that there's again even in the case of ilia support there's still some steps to go not just in who you beat but in who you have to be in order to beat them and who you have to be in order to get

to those next spots so this to me was just yeah So this to me was just, yeah, this was to me, this was to me like finally putting into practice all the things that you had seen flashes of against either overmatched opposition or really tough fights. There was a little bit of a little peek at it. To me, everything kind of was like whoosh, came together here all at once and just gave you a better glimpse of what's possible going forward.

But you see, we do have to ask about Hibas though your cat which you know just i mean the level of uh well this is zoe luke so i'm waiting for the violent turn at any point okay i'm waiting for it it's coming i want that cat to scratch your fucking eyeballs out i mean just turn you think twice about it and then she'd come back asking to be pet again right after luke she's a you know she's an independent woman okay what do you know if there's something i like looking at it's your cat's butthole constantly on this show i mean i just can't get enough of that really it's so great uh bc i'm gonna say it's about amanda he boss she got some questions to start asking herself no it's not some disaster she wins one she loses one she wins one she loses one so she's 50 50 in her last four not the end of the world but in terms of making real progress it just feels like to me she's like she was doing this weird

thing where she was like putting her arms out all the way after every strike and almost like she was like mentally a little bit i'm not gonna say afraid but overwhelmed by the pressure a little and it just i don't know i thought she was just trying to get herself in the flow and sort of like you know after you release the jump shot and you keep your hand up there for a while i think she was just trying to get herself into that mode but luke so let me say this let me say this most of the time let me say one thing on one thing one thing most of the time when i see people do this when they put their hands out like that for long extended periods i see that in situations where they're sparring someone else and the other person is a heavy

hitter. That's where I commonly see that kind of thing. To your point, it could be nothing. I just want to say that's where I usually see it. All right. Well, look, you mentioned the defensive holes. It's real. She's a, she's a good fighter across the board, but as we talk about a lot, that can be a detriment at the elite level. Thank you, Zoe, especially in a division that is now deep where she does not have a dominant skill, especially not at 125. She's not small for a flyweight, but I think the advantages that she had when she used to make the really tough cut down to 115 and she has flip-flop divisions a bit during this streak of juggling wins and losses,

I think that's where she's got a chance to be more elite. Now, I can't speak to that weight cut because I'm not going through it, Luke, but if I'm going to say where does she go next, what can she do, what can she be? The foundation is strong. She's a very good fighter in a lot of ways, and she's game as shit. Even though she's been stopped twice by, I think, by Rodriguez at 115 and now here at this high level, uh, you know, the foundation to make some changes to it is possible here, but I'm not sure it happens at one 25. And if she doesn't pick up those defensive holes, then, you know, she can hang around against good people, but inevitably going to get overwhelmed

and beaten. I think that's right. I think that's basically right. It's, again, still young enough in either case to make some meaningful improvements and some meaningful changes, but they are certainly in order. But you see, let's go to the topic. Trainers? She's got her dad in his tattooed arm of Emily Whitmire. Does she need to like, but she has been doing it.

See, everyone asks those questions whenever something goes wrong, and you're always like, oh, it must be the trainers. It could be. It could be. It could be her own preparation. It could be other issues that no trainer can fix. I doubt getting other looks would be a bad thing for her. I doubt getting to go to ATT would be some kind of disaster.

I certainly think it would be a little bit. She had that jiu-jitsu coach from ATT in her corner this time. Pahumpa, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's good. That's great to have. It's just, to me, it's not the issues with her jiu-jitsu or her judo.

To me, it's the issues with her striking. And I don't know what exactly is ailing her beyond what I can see on tape. But in terms of what produces that, it's a little hard to say. I'd go with the Noguera brothers if I was her moving forward. Especially mid-Nog, right? The one you hate the most? Middle Nog. Very underrated Nog. Two of the three of those brothers,

Luke, are properly rated. There's only one that's overrated, to be fair. Which one was your favorite Smothers brother, BC? The middle one, too. Yes. Topic number three. Dick is the answer obviously luke but you can't say that in 2023 i'm doing smothers brothers fucking bits on the air now we should be canceled and fired immediately all right bc let's get to it

now ufc fight net emmet versus teporia we talked about the main we talked about the co-main give me someone else who stood out on this card for reasons good or bad. Well, Luke, was there a ton going on on this card? Not necessarily. But Brendan Allen scored another victory, this time subbing Bruno Silva in round one. And he did use big names in the post-fight interview, particularly the champion Israel Adesanya, in trying to categorize himself as essentially having, you know, the kryptonite or the right type of game here that could upset the apple cart atop the division.

He's 27 years old, Luke. This is now five wins in a row. He beat the, you know, the Alves, the Jocos, the Andre Muniz's and Bruno Silva. I do want to see him now step that up against the next level. He's not ready nor next for a title shot. I like the the hoots puff from him luke but i'm impressed with what he's putting together the only loss of recent memory was by stoppage to chris curtis in 2021 but he's seven in one in his last eight how serious

are you taking brendan allen with the with the davy crockett hat luke uh he's starting to knock on our door here like I said with Shavkat Rachmanov dudes who wear dead animals on their head yeah they mean business they mean business whether it's a country boy from Tennessee or a dude from Kazakhstan it doesn't matter so here's what I'll agree with you I think Brendan Allen is really beginning to come along I think there are some issues um about striking defense that could potentially be worked on again no one is a perfect fighter but he he is a very, very good one. His ground game just looks phenomenal.

He made that one look a lot easier than I remember. I think I had Bruno Silva as my underdog pick, so that blew up in my face. He certainly proved me wrong, proved a lot of people wrong, and I think just shows that he is definitely a middleweight force now to be reckoned with. And hard to say exactly what the next steps are, just shows that he is definitely a middleweight force now to be reckoned with. And hard to say exactly what the next steps are because middleweight is in a strange place. We'll see what happens at UFC 290. But he might not be farther from a title shot than we –

I'm sorry, he might not be far from a title shot either, especially the way he's been looking. He's got some big wins in front of him to do, obviously. We're not at that level. But I'm just saying the momentum he's riding is high it's legit what can we say right eye of justin taffa luke yeah how about that eye i wish we had a picture do we have one for have you seen this shit no i i was grossed out by it i don't want to see that dude that was like they were talking about that i mean that finger got submerged in that eye and by the way because it's a no contest now justin taffa gets half of his

purse which seems fucking absurd if you ask me but the fighters all say fighter pay is great and it's the mma journalist causing trouble so i'm not sure what to say about that anymore but what the hell do we know luke we you know what i mean yeah i mean i mean there's the thing it's like you want to advocate for these guys but then they don't want you to advocate for him not just in taffa specifically but to their point i i am a in front of a keyboard i'm a warrior i'm in my I mean, there's the thing. It's like you want to advocate for these guys, but then they don't want you to advocate for them, not Justin Tapa specifically. But to their point, I am in front of a keyboard. I'm a warrior. I'm in my basement, and I'm holding a cat.

So, yeah, who am I, Luke? Well, I mean, look at who you've tethered your career to in reality. Yeah, just absolutely horrible decision-making. Yeah, this is great. Yeah. Yo, that cat's about to fuck you up, bro. Yeah, probably. But, you know, all the women in my life do, Luke, right? You know, it's great. Yeah. Yo, that cat's about to fuck you up, bro. Yeah, probably. But, you know, all the women in my life do, Luke, right?

You know, it's great. None of them are Latino either. It's weird. Okay, BC, on my end of things, you mentioned the eye of Justin Taffel. One more thing I'd like to point out here, if I may. How about the career of Zolgus Zuma Gulov? So he made a very interesting, like, name for himself with a horrendous haircut of late.

BC, this was his third split decision loss in a row. Split decision loss on Saturday to Josh Vann. Split decision loss to Charles Johnson. Split decision loss to Jeff Molina. He got knocked out by Manel Kopp before that. He did have a win over Jerome Rivera, which he won. And then before that, he had two decision losses to Amir Al-Bazi and Haolean Paiva. So he is now one and six in the UFC with four losses in a row. Again, three by split decision.

I'm going to guess that, you know, dumb haircut and all that might be it for him here in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. He makes fun fights, though, Luke. You know, I mean, he's got fights that he seemingly cannot win. No, but they are fun and he makes me smile when they announce him and he's you know yeah hold on my dog is going nuts your dog is going bananas yeah my hold on hold on one second here i'm home alone and this is great all right all right do your thing i'll reintroduce the next topic and then we'll set you up for it all All right, so let me set this one up. Topic number four.

Here we go. The PFL made a very interesting decision. So it goes something like this. On Friday night, you had Hauschman, Fio, and Natan, I think, is it Schulte or Schulte, who were in a contest together. I think it's Schulte. Were in a contest against one another. Now, here's the part about it.

They are like great friends in real life to the point where they're each the godparent of their respective children and have cared for one another financially and in all other kinds of ways. And the way the seeding works in PFL, of course, is that in the second half of the season, the PFL does the matchups it picks them so they were

the ones by their own model and their own choice essentially who put these two together knowing that they were best friends knowing that they were more than just that they were like really like bonded in life and sort of very deep and profound ways so I will be honest if you didn't see the

fight you don't need to watch it but it's fucking terrible who is this dog I can't hear you you cannot hear you did mikey there we go no i did this is my wife's dog sasha luke i want to get into serious pfl topics but she was you know she screams at the neighborhood all day and you know she tries she gives me the look of death if i try to hug my wife we got a lot of issues with female animals in this house. Let me get my dog. Hold on. Let me, you know, let me set this up and then I'll get my dog.

But then let me, let me finish this. So they had a fight, uh, Natan Schulte and Hauschman Fio, and it was terrible. It was really bad to the point where they were wondering, like, was it fixed? Now the Georgia commission said that they don't have any issues with the fight. I mean, yeah, I've been, may have been terrible, that they don't have any issues with the fight i mean yeah i've been may have been terrible but they don't have any was the fight above board issues bc clearly these guys were not trying to hurt each other as much as they possibly could have hold on let me finish let me set it up and i'm gonna throw it to you first it didn't look to me like they were giving you know they were really trying to damage one another i'll put it

that way introducing the new mc McSpicy from McDonald's. It looks like a regular chicken sandwich, but it's actually a spicy chicken sandwich. McSpicy. Consider yourself warned. Limited time only. At participating McDonald's in Canada. So, fight ends.

Shulte wins. Okay, you think he is now heading into the playoffs. Burgos fails to make it. Then we wake up the next day and lo and behold, Burgos is in the playoffs. Schulte is out. And their argument was Hauschman, Fio, and Natan Schultz basically in their contracts, AKA, or I should say, but they're probably their bout agreements. They obviously have to give their full fledged effort and they didn't. So they removed them, but it's not clear, BC, that that's what's allowed in the rules. Again, I want to set this up one more time.

Here is what their contracts say. During the regular season, the PFL bases its points awarded on commission rulings. If a fighter wishes to appeal a commission ruling during the regular season, they must do so within three business days, blah, blah, blah. The PFL will honor any subsequent changes made by the commission, which they did not make any, as long as the commission comes to an official decision in the normal appeals process, blah, blah, blah. The PFL will honor any subsequent changes made by the commission, which they did not make any, as long as the commission comes to an official decision in the normal appeals process, blah, blah, blah. They do have some other pieces of their contracts, BC, which say, quote, the PFL may amend these rules at any time, end quote, and that they hold some sway to, oh, here we go, they have some, quote, discretion when it comes to awarding points after the fact for bouts.

So here's what I'm going to say, BC. It does look a little bit unclear about what regulatory mechanism they're using to enforce this. Burgos is a fan favorite. Schulte is not. What do you make of what happened here? Well, I'm reading the official PFL statement that they put out, and it's clear this is what they're leaning on for the regulatory reason, saying all fighters in their PFL fight agreements. And here's the quote, agree to use their best efforts, skills and abilities as a professional athlete to compete and defeat any opponent, end quote. So Luke, even if they're leaning on a legal binding contract that they feel like they can enforce, I guess no similar to the people who say, hey, sign a contract with your

employer all you want, but at any point, can they legally wiggle out and get rid of you? They probably can. This isn't to me about legality in that case, if PFL has an actual case here. This is about the look. This is about the aesthetics. The aesthetics suck. The aesthetics feel manipulated, overbearing in a season right now in which PFL's identity is largely staked, not just in the future of launching its pay-per-view division and how well both Francis Ngannou and Jake Paul fit into that and can it lead to increased ratings and attention and recruitment for the future and free agency and all that. It's tied to the idea that what are they trying to be? Different than everybody in their format, but fighter friendly, especially against the

big one that they've already told us they are competing against, that they're gunning for. The big one is UFC. Right now, if there's any issue with UFC, it's fighter treatment and leverage and all of that and pay and PFL is now doing something that you wouldn't even put like that you would expect Dana to have done manipulating the rules in a case where it's like what does it look like on paper that fight sucked did it it sucked but now you're saying we're just to judge. We're going to jump in and say, you know what? You didn't try hard enough. And that sucked. So under our contract, you can be

gone. Hey, let's grab the exciting former UFC guy that we did bring in as a, as a big free agent in his prime and just plug them back in. So everybody's happy and entertained. Nah, that's bullshit. That goes against meritocracy. That goes against the actual thing that happened, which two guys agreed to a fight. The promotion agreed to put it on. They went through a commission to do it. And the two guys fought. Was it fun? No.

Did they use the best, the very best of their abilities to try to win? I think we can all say no, but they did throw punches. They did take each other down and they did fight. Luke, this is where a promoter, in my opinion, only has so many as far as they can go. You don't want a promotion with complete control because then you fear that there could be

manipulation and impropriety behind the scenes. So why do we have an athletic commission? To control the things that a promoter shouldn't, the outcomes of what happened in a cage. They agreed to promote the fight. The fighters went to agree to fight it. Luke, not every fight is going to be a banger. You can put whatever you want in a contract. The job is to go out there and try to win. It's not to try to gauge whether they tried hard enough. There's a lot of fights where people don't end up trying hard enough. Why? Because they're injured or they don't want to risk the knockout or you know, they're having a mental block or whatever. Bad fights happen all the time for a million reasons. These guys agreed to fight. They did the

best that they could based on their friendship. I'm not saying it was the right choice, but why did you put them against each other in this spot? If you knew this had the potential of happening, if you want to, after the fact, go into the locker rooms as the promoter and rip these guys and say, you're going to have no future in this promotion. If you fight like that, and we're not going to give you bonuses and blah, blah, blah, fine, whatever. You can hold them back in the future and not put them in the tournament next year. You're going to go the level of changing the result, maybe not the result on who won, but what that result gives you at a time that it's just going to scream, oh, you're just grabbing the former UFC fighter with a big name and putting him

in there over these two. What are we doing here? You're going to allow this level of manipulation. All that does is scream the potential of future impropriety, that you can make a judgment call on that. What? Because you put in your contract that everybody's supposed to fight their hardest? Yeah. Everyone hopes they do. That's why we have bonuses for fight of the night. That's why we have parts of the prize, the winning purse,

that you can gain more through a more aggressive performance. Every promoter wants their fighters to fight balls out, right? The UFC has been the biggest one behind that. But you can't manipulate the shit in the structure that you set up, which is this regular season and this point system. You can't just go, oh, we want the more exciting, better fighter who will bring it next time. You agreed to promote this fight.

The fighters agreed to fight it. Whatever happens in that cage, unless someone cheated, is what happens in that cage. What the hell are we doing here? This is the worst look you can have, especially when you are telling everybody by signing Francis, we're going to start our own,

not fighters union, but our own, you know, seat at the table for the fighters. Well, now it's time to use that seat at the table, Luke, because this is bullshit. This is absolute bullshit. It's the worst thing you would want. Remember PFL had that scare?

Was it PFL, Luke, who had that scare with the betting when there was a card that was pre-taped and they still had live betting on it? Was that them? Yep, that was them. That's the type of scare that they should be lucky that they jumped away from, that they fixed the glitch, that no one's saying, oh, is this place on the up and up? A decision like this, to me as a fan, screams that you're not on the up and up because this is what you're willing to do.

Just throw out the rules and make it happen. It's different when you do a ranking system and you go, I know we have a ranking system, but I'd rather have the number eight guy fight for the title next because he's the most exciting. That's promotion. That's part of the job. But you built a structure of a tournament, which in theory goes against that. It's meritocracy.

It's like whoever's going to advance is going to advance you set the fight up they went out there and fought you can't pull them from the tournament because they didn't live up to your expectations come on you put on the fight shouldn't the smart cage tell you this is a bad pr look the fuck's going on here pfl this is dude i'll tell you what happened i guarantee this is what happened here i guarantee it they made that fight like they booked it and they did not think that it really mattered that these guys were close or that it wouldn't really affect it or they probably thought naively that it would actually make it better or something like it would be you know oh it'll be the final from the movie warrior or something where you know they'll

just give us even more not realizing that it's going to fuck everything up. To me, it's naivete about how the fight game actually works rather than any other explanation. That's really what it comes down to. To the point that you raised, BC, I don't have much to add beyond it. Again, there might be a legal mechanism for what they have shown or not. It looks to me like there probably is not one, but they've got enough. We retain discretion at all times, blah, blah, blah, sort of catch all jargon to potentially protect them.

But here's the point. Even if that's true, the reality is this decision clearly goes against the stated ethos of everything the PFL is supposed to be about. and that's not what we put on them that's what they put on us they have spent quite literally now years years telling us that not only was their format uh more equitable and and fairer but that it was because they were a quote fighter first organization ladies and gentlemen substituting burgos in and taking out the rightful winner of about because you just don't like the fucking results is the opposite of fighter friendly. It is the opposite of fighter first. It is promoter first. It is ratings first. It is our bottom line first. It is everything every other promoter resorts to in the end because we

see here's the actual result. Tournaments and MMA do have a very solid history together, but one of the realities that Bjorn Rebny went up against and his tournament model was slightly different. Guys competed much more quickly over time in most cases than you do in PFL. The result he came to was, and this is something that we knew in 2014, 2013, was that you can do tournaments where guys are fighting once a month or once every couple of months, and that may or may work, and that might be cool. But the best way to do it is to do them all in one night. The one night tournaments are the ones that really matter. And of course, those are very difficult to do in the modern age. When you have commission rules,

you can have a two-round bout and a three-round bout. It's much harder to do. But the only way to really do them correctly is to do them over a single night. All of this shit where you're spacing them out, it just becomes very, very difficult. They ran into a situation where they had results that they didn't like from their own model,

and they just decided, fuck it. We're just not going to pay attention to it. And then Schulte can eat shit. That's really what they basically said. We don't give a damn. And yeah, the fight sucked, but the fight sucking is not reason, especially the fight that they booked.

The fight they booked sucked. That's not reason to change a fucking thing. God, this has happened before. We have seen fighters go into a fight that they have to take against a teammate or somebody close to them, and they don't go all out on that level. Heck, Luke, there were times people used to say Venus and Serena didn't go all out on the level that they could or should. But I remember Chris Bird defended the heavyweight title in 2004 against DeVero Williamson on Showtime. They were old buddies, training partners.

They didn't go after it. It was one of the worst televised title fights of all time. Even Mike Tyson and Corey Sanders, or was it, no, it was the guy, the rhino, Clifford ATN. Mike knocked him out but didn't want to. Helped him back up afterwards. Admitted afterwards I just gave him a payday because he's a friend of mine. I mean, look, this stuff can happen.

But I would, I can't believe I'm about to say this. I would almost rather PFL behind the scenes do more chicanery than this to have fixed this and say, sorry, Natan Shulda is injured. He can't fight in the next round. So Shane Burgos is next. Even if the injury is bullshit. I would almost have more respect if I found that out to be true after the fact than how they've decided to do this. Because it's just like, it's manipulation. I got the, you the you know i didn't watch this card live but i got the email with the results and i was reading them and you know the initial that if they did this a day later

it's a horrible look in every possible way it's just here's a question for you and i mean this genuinely here's here's a question for you and i i have not thought this through but i think it's important to ask and i saw that um natan had put up a post together and then tagged a bunch of people in it and one of the people he tagged was Francis Ngannou now Francis Ngannou just signed this massive deal blah blah blah and remember he also got put on this advisory board he's going to be in the chairman of PFL Africa but he was one of these guys he's's supposed to be this symbol of, Hey, here's what happens when a promoter puts fighters first. That's what, that's what the sales angle is of everything Francis is doing. Now,

it's not Francis's job to fix this. I don't even know if he could, what should Francis do? What should he say about this? If, if this whole idea and, and I, and I believe structurally it's real The whole idea of okay well Francis will also Be the fighter representator In our you know whatever Meetings fighter you know Situations where we're debating stuff

Then this should be how you activate that How you start that how you find out if that is Bullshit or not because if it's not and I don't think it is Then it is time to get together In a room and if Francis is the chosen Representative by PFL per the deal of signing him, then he should do what a union representative or a leader does, talk to Natan Schultz, figure out the situation, talk to both fighters, and then come back and argue.

I would think if Francis is using logic, and he seems to be because he seems to be about the right things, that robbing Schultz of a chance at a million dollars because he didn't fight exciting enough against a friend as much as as a fan. You don't want that right as a promoter. You don't want that. But can you actually suspend both fighters and take away his chance to win a million dollars in that? No, that is bullshit against what a fighter does. Luke Francis should at the very least in this role be able to present that to the promotion and figure out what they're going to do moving forward.

But I would hope that there would be enough of an outcry. Maybe people just don't care. It's not huge names, but I would hope there'd be enough of an outcry where they would back this up and announce, yeah, we made the wrong decision here. We made the wrong decision because this is, you know, if that is the end result that could happen by Francis sitting on a board, then that's great. Let's do it. Let's have those meetings. But you know, if that is the end result that could happen by Francis sitting on a board, then that's great. Let's do it. Let's have those meetings. But, you know, maybe that is also just more bells and whistles than it actually is.

I'm not saying this is, you know, that Francis isn't responsibility, but it actually kind of is if that's the role he's trying to play, right? Yeah. No, I think you're right. I think Francis actually should say something here. I really do I think if you're gonna be if you're gonna present yourself as a fighter advocate not like that's what you are first first he's a fighter okay I don't think he has to come out and blast the executives I don't think he has to come out and say this is the biggest travesty on the history of the world but I think he should say yeah I think it's unfair I don't think you should be doing that again I'm

just gonna get back to it man like their whole pitch is hey were you left by the side of a road promotionally because matchmakers didn't favor you well this is a place you can you can get around that and then they match people up with like they're the the godfather to their children and then like we didn't get a fight that we liked as a consequence well look in the mirror bro like you're the one who you you set these guys up to fail they failed you i mean the fight did suck i don't deny that it did and then you're the one who, you set these guys up to fail. They failed you. I mean, the fight did suck. I don't deny that it did. And then you're going to penalize them for your bad decision making? Dude, that is like, that is everything you don't want a promoter to do.

They did in one fell swoop. And the best part about this was, BC, this was all avoidable. They set up their own problems. Was there no one in the executive team who's like, hey, I've been watching MMA. This was all avoidable. They set up their own problems. Was there no one in the executive team who's like, hey, I've been watching MMA. Wow, this is certain disaster. Did no one fucking do that?

Like, how did you get to this place where someone who knows what they're doing in this business thought that was a good idea? Because here's the reality. No one who knows this business would think that's a good idea. Period. Is there something we're missing about this? I mean, you know know i like to cover all all opinions all sides to a story did the promotion find out information that they have not made public that the fighters had planned this ahead of time to not fight aggressively and then you know they find i mean i don't know but that to

me doesn't even change the equation they put on a fight the two guys came out and fight and threw punches and wrestled there's more than one way to win a fight. The two guys came out and fight and threw punches and wrestled. There's more than one way to win a fight, right? Going just for the knockout is not the only way. I don't think these guys went out there to try to hurt each other. But again, it was a contest. Two guys fought. One guy won.

I mean, we've seen fights before where one fighter has a mental block or doesn't want to do it anymore and just kind of doesn't try. You're going to penalize the winner's advancement because of that? No. Well, I mean, both guys in this case clearly didn't want to do it anymore and just kind of doesn't try. You're going to penalize the winner's advancement because of that? No. Well, I mean, both guys in this case clearly didn't want to like deeply damage the other one. Maybe they did find that out, but here's what I keep coming back to.

Like the Georgia Commission was like, it's a sound bout as far as we're concerned. Yeah. So like, dude, I'll say this. If you're a promoter and you found out that your fighters were colluding to fix the result, you have an obligation to tell the athletic commission. Yeah. People under your watch. Again, I'm not saying that this is what happened. I'm, I'm theorizing a hypothetical, but in a hypothetical example, if I'm a promoter and I find out two of my fighters are colluding, first thing I'm going

to do is cut them. And the second thing I'm going to do is report him to the commission because you don't want anything to do with that if that's your business. That is cancer in your business if that is real, where you're tolerating a lightened version of fight fixing. You cannot in any way accept that. So if that's the case, then act on it. Yeah, and to close on the bad optics here and the PFL role and their new identity as being fighter first, they went out of their way, it seemed, to allow Brendan Lachnan a new home to compete, rightfully, after what happened to him,

which was getting screwed, showing up on the Dana White Contender Series, using wrestling to win a fight, and then being called out by Dana afterwards, who under the structure of that series has the ability to reward the more exciting winners with a contract and tell other winners, sorry, you know, get back in line. Well, PFL was the one who raised their hand and signed him. And they've kind of used that angle as part of the marketing side of Brendan Lockton, who's also a very good fighter and won

the championship last year. But it's like you gave him the home because that greedy promoter you know uh prioritized excitement over who he thought was a good up-and-coming fighter for his promotion and now you're doing the exact same thing exact same thing yeah here is a uh statement from the georgia athletic and entertainment commission regarding the bout between uh natan schulte schulte and then haushman fio the The Georgia Athletic Commission placed both fighters on a seven-day mandatory rest suspension. This is an injury suspension, basically, following their bout from June 23rd.

As for the PFL suspending them, that is their decision as a company. That's it. I mean, you guys booked a stupid fight, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I don't know what else to say here. All right. BC, with that in mind, let's go to the topic. Does that make you question the intelligence of that cage?

No jokes. All jokes aside. I mean, shouldn't that be the voice of reason, the ombudsman who raises his mechanical arm and says, alert, alert, alert. This will look badly on us. Alert. Yeah. Guys, this is fucking stupid. They should just call that remember we need more toilet paper in the men's room at the atlanta arena this is stupid let's go bc do you remember

back in the day like when we were like let's say late 90s kind of early 2000s there were like a bunch of different search engines that were all like before google like took over there was like altavista yeah yeah i'm gonna start calling it the ask jeeves cage that's what i'm gonna start calling it just the ask jeeves cage because it's just fucking worthless uh all right neither here nor there but bc topic number five last but not least we call the prelims for the carlos adames julian j rock williams fight a middleweight contest 160 pounds on showtime championship boxing for the interim middleweight w, 160 pounds on Showtime Championship Boxing for the interim middleweight WBC strap. BC, here's what we're going to say.

Adamas was winning, and even J-Rock and his trainer, Steven Redman Edwards, acknowledged at the time of the stoppage, which, by the way, was very, very controversial. We'll talk about that in just a second. But here's the question. Up until that, and they acknowledged that Williams was hurt, how good did Adamas look before the referee intervened? I think very good. Not perfect, not perfect. Okay. Uh, but he's not a perfect fighter.

The key about this version of, of Carlos Adamas and Luke, we didn't even, we talked about the Bob Santos relationship, you and I in the preview of this, but I don't think we even really had the full statistics at that moment. This is just the second fight with Bob Santos. And what has both produced for Carlos Adamas, the ability to take all the things that he does well, the danger he has as a guy who switches stances so often, power in both hands, and just siphoning that to be as dangerous as possible. Sometimes there's defensive holes in that. Sometimes when Jay Rock had big moments, Adamas wasn't throwing enough, but for the most part, we can question the stoppage and we should,

but Adamas did appear to be on his way to winning that fight. And when you consider that this division is like empty, I mean, Jamal Charlo probably fighting Canelo this fall, probably getting out. Golovkin moved up, Munguia moved up, like who, Andre moved up, like who the hell has left? Nobody, you know, Janabek, right?

I mean, there's a couple of guys hell has left? Nobody, you know, Jana Beck, right? I mean, there's a couple of guys lingering. Carlos Adamas, I believe has done the work with the Maceus Montiel fight. And now there's Julian J. Rock Williams to fight to, if not announced that he's the best middleweight in the world. I mean, Jana Beck would have something to say about that, but then at least show you, he may be the most exciting and the guy who is coming on and trying his best to maximize what he brings be the most exciting and the guy who is coming on and trying his best to maximize what

he brings to the table i thought overall adamus looked great but part of that luke is i think julian j rock williams really came to fight at 33 really exceeded our expectations and even though the ending separate from the disputed stoppage which i i get that you can't separate that but what's the what's always going to be the lingering thing about J-Rock? That his punch resistance isn't at the elite level that it would need to be to beat some of these killers. That may be true. That may always be true.

But I thought J-Rock gave himself his best chance to win, made great adjustments, showed incredible character to survive some really tough moments and stay in that fight. And I think to fuel the anger that him and Bredman had, even if I thought Bredman went over the line a bit at times inside the ring, they may actually be right with a lot of their criticisms. And he, Luke, J-Rock, seems to be a reborn fighter to some degree. So I say that now about Adamas to tell you that that fight was, was maybe harder than a lot of us expected to be in Adamas to me shined in the end. He is fun as shit to walk, name a fighter who's fighting with more Moxie and just like,

I am destined to show you how great I can be at the moment. And, uh, Teofimo Lopez. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's it. I mean, I, I am really impressed by who Adamas has become not perfect, but dangerous, flashy, mean. I mean, I am really impressed by who Adamas has become. Not perfect, but dangerous, flashy, mean. I mean, look, he fights spiteful. He fights angry. I think that, you know, middleweight wise, he's the big gun at the moment in terms of the guy I want to see the most fight. I think that's where I'm at. I'm at the place where it's like, do I think he's the best guy in this weight class?

Probably not. Probably not. But do I think he's a fun guy in this weight class? Probably not. Probably not. But do I think he's a fun guy in this weight class? Do I think he drops bombs? Do I think he goes for it? Do I think he takes sometimes silly risks, but great for the fight and great for our entertainment value? Yeah, I do.

I actually think that you bring up the fact that he's improved a lot. I don't want to, I don't want to take that away from him as well. Again, he's a far cry from the guy who lost to Patrick to share a low these many years ago. He's, he's gotten far cry from the guy who lost to Patrick Descherello these many years ago. He's gotten significantly better. But again, BC, do you see him as best in class in this weight class?

I don't quite see him in that way, but I take your point about fun, going for it, mixing it up. He had Williams nearly finished in what round? Was that the third or the fourth where he nearly put him away? Or maybe it was the fourth. And so he had moments where he was putting it away or maybe it was the fourth um and so he had he had moments where he was putting it on williams but then you know williams would kind of claw back and make it an interesting fight and then obviously the stoppage was a little bit premature we'll talk

about that in just a second so i don't see him as the best guy in this weight class but i see him as a reliably good reliably fun guy and maybe that's enough maybe we should quickly look at the rankings here i'm going by espn's middleweight rankings just to kind of illustrate that. Even if you are right, Luke, he may still end up being the best middleweight in that regard. Right now, according to Mike Hopper and ESPN, Gennady Golovkin, the number one ranked middleweight, but he's all signs appear to be moving up. He's dropped his titles. Janabek Alimkanouli, I'll always butcher his name, who has the, I think he's got one of the titles, Luke.

He's number two. Munguia moved up to 68 at number three, so you got Adamas at four. And then the names after that are not going to blow you away. Liam Smith, Falcao, Madramov, old Arislandi Lara, Chris Eubank Jr., who's so unpredictable, and Zarafa, who's a blown-up junior middleweight, but still a good fighter.

My point is, Adamas might actually end up being the best, and he's fun as shit. Look, before we get into the stoppage, this fight was great until the stoppage. It was dramatic. There were back-and-forth ebbs and flows. The crowd, of course, in Minneapolis was very good. It had an old-school feel.

This was great theater that, once again, like the co-main event on Saturday on ESPN, seemed to get stained by premature referee decision-making. that once again, like the co-main event on Saturday on ESPN, seemed to get stained by premature referee decision-making. Wait, which co-main event? Oh, you mean on the – Erickson Lubin. Erickson Lubin looked very good against Cuba Luis Arias. Luis Arias, yeah.

Dropped him in the fifth, but Arias waited for that count to get to nine, stood up before ten, and the referee still waved it off, even though he was clearly up and was alert and there. Now we get to the main event, Luke. This does combine with what we saw from Tony Weeks and some of these other recent runs. At the very least, I think we have a trend going right now, and I don't think it's horrible refereeing

or conspiratorial refereeing, whatever, with money behind the scenes. I think there's becoming a movement to stop fights earlier rather than later a very noble move given what can happen in the ring but it's too early too often lately jay rock may have been honest on his way to getting stopped but he was not only in that fight he was in those sequences that led to the stoppage luke i don't know if we have video, if we can throw to it, but it was just not a good stoppage for what was really going on in that fight. Yeah, not a good stoppage at all. I was going to ask you what you thought of it.

I thought it was terrible. And dude, his trainer, if you guys don't know who this is, well, I don't know who the MMA equivalent would be of Steven Breadman Edwards. If you don't follow him on Twitter, you should. Very, very very very bright guy really knows a lot about the fight game ins and outs he was the trainer for jayrock here he was losing his mind at referee mark nelson and then they interviewed him afterwards and here's what he said bc he basically argues listen not only are you getting these early stoppages that are fucking these bouts up it's always in favor of the a side and adamus was the a side here williams was the b side williams had one fight

at 160 bc and i called that this was the second one it was for a title obviously an interim title but a title just the same and they stopped it in favor of adamus you go back to the roly and the barroso fight they stopped it in favor of roly and on and on and on. Do you think there's something to the idea about a sides getting favoritism with early stoppages of their opponent? So let's talk about this because when I said on Twitter and I only took the tweet down because people were missing misinterpreting, I said, bread man took it too far. And I do believe he did. Well, you and I were texting each other in the moment as this fight was happening. I'm like, Oh my God, breadman's about to put hands on somebody, which would have meant like expulsion, right? It would have been a very bad move for him.

I think he went a little too far in there, but was his message wrong about either the stoppage or the overall treatment in this case in the recent trend? It's not wrong, Luke. The real answer is how, to what level is it right? We already unfortunately have this overall feeling in boxing with these scorecards. And how many times do we see it where the scores happen in one of the three judges or two of them, or just wait,

like, you know, 10 rounds to zero or whatever. And you're just like, no, that's not, that's not it. Does it more often go to the fighter who's on the A side?

It does. So when they're competing, when they're complaining about this A side stoppage here, I want to say, no, this isn't the moment. The referee who is a very good referee by the way mark nelson is just trying to protect the fighter and i think even if you read

tony weeks's full interview that he gave michael woods of new york fights about that rolly stoppage unless you're just dead set on him being you know have gotten money behind the scenes you can also understand the sterling stopages in general are going in the direction of care, of prevention. They're getting it wrong, but it's in the right side. But what about that A-side thing from Bredman? They announced the scores afterwards. It was a close fight.

Steve Farhood on Showtime, Luke, had it. I think he had only two points up at that moment, Adamas. But then the scorecards are released, and one judge had it 8-0 for Carlos Adamas. Right. Insane. Insane. Look back on that. At the very least, you've got to give Jay Rock like three rounds. At the very least. Right?

I mean, I'm not saying that fight was a draw. Jay Rock said in the interview, look, it was a 50-50 fight at that point. It wasn't. Adamas had surged back ahead after. Because I think, look, Adamas almost punched himself out twice trying to finish Jay Rock said in the interview, look, it was a 50-50 fight at that point. It wasn't. Adamas had surged back ahead after. Because I think, look, Adamas almost punched himself out twice trying to finish Jay Rock. And I think it was Jay Rock's stubbornness that made this such a good fight. But to have it 8-0 is insulting.

The other two judges were closer to reality, but not even really there. Is there a larger problem on the treatment of A-side fighters? I'd like to say there isn't, Luke. But we continue to have these things pile up. Now, do I believe Mark Nelson stopped the fight early than it should have because of the A-side? No, I don't. I do think, though, we are having too many moments which can be thrown into that basket because these are horrible stoppages to the financial futures of the fighters who are putting it all in.

And I love that it's angled towards saving them. But we always say this about boxing. Whenever there's a bad, unfortunate ring death, which happens more often than you realize, or there's somebody getting hurt really bad. You know, I think Magomed a bunch of years back is, you know, well, what can we do to change it? Well, anything you do too far means you're taking it away

from what the sport is, boxing. There is huge inherent dangers built in here but i think it's an all or nothing thing i think it's either you outlaw the sport which is not going to happen i don't think you can clean it up too much i don't think you can safen it up too much it's still a fight at the end of the day and jay rock wasn't down in that round and was still throwing back and was blocking punches he was throwing a punch when the referee stepped in and even when you're always going to lean on that i'd rather it a punch too soon than a punch too late i don't want to be in the shoes of anybody who's connected to when we

have these awful moments of ring deaths or when someone's changed i don't want that responsibility as a as a judge referee promoter broadcaster or even a fan it sucks i'm never going to be fully secure with who I am as a boxing fan because of this ridiculous price that they often pay either full in death or sometimes partially in a very changed life after fighting. But at the end of the day, it is fighting, right? And at the end of the day, there has to be an allowance. That's why I get mad when a guy gets dropped and a ref just waves it off before even giving him the 10 seconds to show us if he can shake it off we're going in the direction where this isn't boxing anymore and if there's enough reason for these guys to scream the a-side

argument we're doing something wrong we are at this moment luke because j-rock should have been allowed a chance to to show his recuperative skills which he showed earlier in such bold and really smart ways that the holding, all of that. Look, one thing he'll say about Jay Rock, he is an old school technician. He is a veteran. He understands his game. He was in that fight. So was Barroso against Romero too.

But we got to get out of the way of this shit. And sometimes, Luke, what do we love about the late Steve Smoger, the great Hall of Fame referee? These are fighters' referees. Tony Weeks was always a fighters' referee. But, Luke, he was the referee when your boss, Italy, got into physical trouble there against Morrell, and I don't envy that. Did that change his decision-making?

It might have, Luke, but this is also a very, very dark sport, and I don't know if you can actually change that. How much can you change the NFL rules before it becomes touch football, Luke? They're right. It's the same conversation. Yeah, at some point it is just what it is. I'll just say this.

The commission model is maybe the one that we have to use. I've said it a million times, but it's a terrible model. It has all kinds of problems that are deep and profound. And then, you know, J-Rock had a tweet yesterday saying I had to fight five people. I had to fight Carlos Adamas. I had to fight the ref and I had to fight all three judges. It's a little bit strong, but I understand where he's coming from. Yeah. BC lastly on this are actually on the boxing weekend recap. Edgar Belonga gets a 12th round, a unanimous decision when he beat up Jason quickly drops him four times. I watched the

fight this morning. Here's what I'm going to say about Berlanga. He looked fine. They're talking about a fight with Jaime Munguia next. I don't know if the promoters are going to be able to make that, even though they're both under the DAZN banner. But one way or the other, I'll just say this. Did this look to you like he was quieting some of the criticism that has developed? Because he didn't look bad, but he didn't look great either.

Yeah, the answer is yes and no, but I think unfortunately i'm leaning more towards no so let's set the stage right we talked about the deal leaving top break on mutual terms signing with eddie hearn and now he's getting this big push and he can fill theaters in new york city which he did at msg there he's got the puerto rican family he's got everything you'd want but that 16 fight first round knockout streak hurt him really badly as a fighter and his growth and development to his credit he took the year off here went back to his original trainer and luke i don't know if you saw between rounds there if you're watching close enough is the original

trainer was like verbally accosting him a lot to try to wake him up did berlanga right some of the wrongs and fix a good part of his reputation. Yes, he dropped Quigley four times, including twice in the final round. Luke, I had the okay bet that this would go under, so I was agonizing watching that final round where Quigley survived. And let's add in that Jason Quigley, who had been average for most of his career after being a bright prospect, fought the best fight of his career, the best game plan under trainer Andy Lee, gave himself the best chance to win. And by doing that, muted some of the potential ways that Berlanga could have taken over this fight so the good is that Berlanga survived in advance he won he won dominantly

scored four knockdowns all of that but the bad news Luke is it's it's it's the work in progress thing is I don't think he's that far toward progress still I don't think he's that far different from the guy who went to the decision four times to end his top-ranked career and looked kind of flat doing it. He was way too inconsistent, even with a year layoff where you give him some room to show you something. And we're talking about huge names. I mean, look, promotionally, Canelo signing with the PBC has to crush

Eddie Hearn and Berlanga because, you know, that's the fight to make. But you mentioned, can we even make these other fights? The two names that Berlanga wants the most, and he brought them up after the fight, is either Jaime Munguia or Gennady Golovkin. And, you know, both of those two are flawed in certain ways where it's not out of the realm that it's a very good fight and that Berlanga can win it. But he's not, you know, what Berlanga can win it but he's not you know what Berlanga was supposed to do was blow through Quigley and you know Luke maybe if one of those two 12th round

knockdowns had led to a stoppage we would have a different tune but if you watch this fight close enough dude he's just not there I think that knockout streak certainly delayed his growth I know there's questions about his commitment and in his fight IQ and all of that he's got a long way to go. I don't know if he gets there before he ultimately gets cashed out though. And that's a harsh thing to say out loud, but I'm not sure. Could he beat Munguia? Sure. But Oscar and Eddie Hearn are not working together. It doesn't seem right now. Maybe DAZN would make them, but losing that thing you're building to at the end of the rainbow, which is Canelo in the short term, that doesn't either Luke and he's also not in a position to win that fight or even look all that good he's pretty good he's not great Luke I don't know if he gets there I don't because I don't know what the real hiccup

is behind the scenes but he didn't show growth in this time he was walking down Quigley which at times made sense it's not like I think that's inherently a bad thing all the time but like Quigley was kind of on his horse he wasn't doing a I mean he was doing some ring cutting but like not faking or fainting not like setting things up just kind of on his horse. He wasn't doing a, I mean, he was doing some ring cutting, but like not faking or fainting, not like setting things up, just kind of going and then like hoping a big shot landed, which at times it did. There's times where you can see him put combinations together. Like, okay, that's great.

There's just not enough of the in-between things that like, you know, that make a boxer like they're really special version of him. Yeah. He had a couple of rounds where he worked behind the jab and you're like, okay, this is him. He got rocked one time by Quigley, too. He did. Quigley's not a puncher at 68 under any means.

The problem was too often because Quigley was showing him fresh boxing looks through Andy Lee, which, again, not only did they do great, I'll say it all the time, Sergio Mora on his own, one of the most underrated analysts in this game, I thought he called a great fight, and they were right. Quigley fought out of his ass. Eddie Hearn said so afterwards, but what that led to while he's boxing out of his ass was Berlinga following him around, not punching, looking for one big shot.

There's not going to win. There's not going to win. If Berlinga is ready to beat Glovekin and Munguia and do it dominantly, he would have blown Jason Quigley away in four rounds, Luke. He's not the guy that that knockout streak suggests. Is there still time? Yes. Is the foundational skill there? Very good. It has a chance to be, but the new trainer didn't fix it because they were yelling at

him all fight to wake the frick up. And they were using the F word a lot, Luke. That's a warning sign. That's a warning sign. It is. And, you know, there's not all the, all the big names at 68 are in PBC. We all know that. So is there a world where Berlinga could beat Golovkin and Munguia

in somewhat big fights and raise that stature and do something across the street? Yeah, maybe. But there's no guarantee he would even beat Munguia, Luke, because what happens if – I don't think he would beat Munguia. I don't think he would. I think Munguia luke because what happened i don't think i don't think he would beat munguia i don't think he would i think munguia would would hurt him uh you see very quickly because we got to get to dms we got to get to have you seen this shit why is oscar so relentless these

days about shitting on eddie hearn i don't fucking get it at all i i don't know if well okay it'd be a natural explanation to say when canelo and oscar got divorced right what did what did canelo do he looked at the landscape went right to eddie who was on the same network of the zone right i mean canelo could have walked away from the zone for good they didn't they didn't come through with the full 365 million deal that he signed they basically got to a point where they said we can't keep paying it we can't finish it and he still came back to the zone because he felt Hearn had the best offering for him.

And it really was, he was the star for a while there at the zone outside of the Caleb plant fight. I'm going to guess it's that where Oscar's like, you know, my guy divorced me and went to you and look, you made it worse. Oscar's armed with this Luke, maybe something we didn't talk about in Canelo signing with PBC. Once the B-ball fight fell apart. and once they couldn't do Badu Jack Eddie Hearn didn't have a viable offering

for him at 168 or anything and what the reporting behind the scenes from from both Mike Coppinger and Dan Rayfield suggests is that DAZN was like we took a loss for the John Ryder fight we take a loss whenever you fight somebody that's not you know Golovkin or whatever they didn you know, that all the offer wasn't there in this regard. There was the, there was no money there. The money was in PBC. That's, you know, ultimately I think while he's doing that and, and getting closer to that Benavidez fight, but I think it's Oscar just like, look, you took my guy from me and you ruined him. Now that's, that's too strong and not accurate, but that would be Oscar's argument in this case. And it's petty and it's ridiculous. And, you know, does, doesN have the upper hand at the end?

Because both promoters are signed exclusively with them. And maybe DAZN's got a leg up for allowing Oscar to let Ryan Garcia fight on Showtime. I'm not sure. But I don't think it would stop a Munguia fight from happening against Berlanga. But it's weird to see Oscar go to these lengths. Now, to be fair, Luke, is what Oscar's saying about him true, that PBC doesn't like Eddie and doesn't want to work with him, Top Rank hates Eddie and doesn't want to work with him?

Eddie always says, well, that's because I'm so successful. Like, what do you make of Eddie Hearn in America right now? Like, he's got good fighters, he makes good events, but he's not, like, selling big houses in the U.S. when it's not AJ or Canelo, right? Yeah, I mean, I like Eddie Hearn. I think he's not aj or canelo right yeah i mean i like it he heard i think he's a pretty good promoter actually i think i i you know he's one of these guys who when he shit talks like bob arum or something he's always like i'd still do a deal with bob in fact he still wants

to do a deal with you know with uh oscar if if it can be uh made so i actually really appreciate him as a promoter he sort of gets that you got to mix it up and get dirty a little bit but at the same time make sure you make all the big deals that you can so i agree with that i i i've often said that like i don't think his u.s push has been um quite what it is over in the uk and i don't think that's altogether unfair bc i mean i got a little bit of pushback when i said it the first time a few months ago but i feel like it's largely largely panned out um yeah i don't know what someone's mikey's asking is he one of the more fighter friendly promoters in the game I feel like it's largely, largely panned out. Yeah, I don't know. Mikey's asking, is he one of the more fighter-friendly promoters in the game?

He is the most fighter. Yeah, I would say that he is. No, that's the key to his success. Well, the real key to his success is what him and his dad did in the UK and how they, since Anthony Joshua won the 2012 Olympics, have turned boxing in the UK to a destination, a night out, a party, almost an elite event. People show up in suits to that at times in the UK, but how he's been able to stretch this, to take over America, take over being a, you know, in quotes of how,

what degree you think he has it's by being fighter friendly. He understands that he gets it. That's why him and Canelo are still close and they would work together. If Eddie had the right fight and I don't want to downplay it. I think he's great for the sport. I think he's doing great. Look what he's done. Taylor and Serrano in New York City. I mean, that was, you know, old boxing heads still say that was the, if not the number

one boxing in arena experience they've had. It's right there in the conversation. But I just think across the board, Eddie hasn't taken over like maybe some of his words had said so. So some of what Oscar's saying is rooted in truth, but there's also weird pettiness and jealousy. I mean, it's Oscar, Luke, right? It's Oscar.

I mean, Oscar needs to worry about keeping Ryan Garcia happy. But okay, BC, let's move the show along if we can. That's it for our top five. Let's go now to DMs from Donks. We put up social posts on Sunday. You guys fill them up with questions. Our producers pick them, and then we answer. Let's do it.

Dude, why does it sound like that donkey is... Remember that video in the 90s that used to get thrown around, Luke, of the horse? And I don't want to go further, but you know that video I'm talking about from like the mid-90s. You know what I'm talking about? That's the one that you're in? Well, there was probably some urine exchanged in the transaction but no i was not in it luke it's got to be as gross as that two girls thing you're trying to make me uh two broke girls or whatever you still need to watch it okay uh bc from cole underscore brown 858 what do you think about one championship using a ring rather than a cage for some of their m bouts. It has kind of a pride vibe.

BC, I actually have an update on this. Yes. A buddy of mine explained this to me. Here's what he says. The Thai government doesn't allow one to use a cage at Lumpini, which is one of the more... So Lumpini and Rajadamnern are their big Thai stadiums. This being Muay Thai's sacred ground and all,

which is why all events there use the ring. In January, they started running weekly one Friday night fights out of Lumpini, consisting mainly of Muay Thai and kickboxing. So for whatever reason, they put the bowler versus Malik in fight there, I guess because they wanted it to be in a good time zone for both India and Russia, the respective sort of nations that the fighters were representing. And then the fight night on Prime videos

are the ones that happened in a different time zone. Now, there's some other reasons about maybe why they did that, but it just comes down to that. They actually can't put a cage in Lumpini. So the question is, like, why wouldn't you put that fight on some other place? I don't know. I don't know what the answer is about why they had to put it

at that part of the calendar, but they did. I mean, competitively, there's pros and cons there's advantages and disadvantages as a viewer luke i get the the pride throwback and that's cool and if that's enough to make people feel like it's more of a war or something special and that's great but i think you know effectively the cage is the better format for this sport and yes it is you made a comment when we were watching that fight live and that fight being malikin against buller on friday morning uh that it it you know the ring is not holding them well i mean that's part of the uh the cons of it yeah and also like if you are if you don't have great striking footwork and your opponent does oh that's a bad place to

fucking be yeah that's a bad place to be be. That's a bad place to be. Or anywhere, really. All right. Jimmy underscore Reed. Is Ilya versus Max the most exciting fight that can be made at 145, not involving Volk? I got to say this. Ilya versus Yair might be the most exciting, if I'm being honest.

Ilya versus Yair or anything involving Ortega, you really could match him with any of these guys. I mean, look, I know people are talking about BCA. Stop bringing up Ortega. Nobody else is. I love him. He's still a viable contender, but he makes great fights and probably great post-knights, Luke.

Probably fantastic post-fights, right? Just next level. But dude dude he makes great fights so i'm always going to bring him up in this case but you're right yeah here versus ilia no disrespect to max who makes great fights with everybody as well but you know if i'm going to pick what i would flavor in terms of what's the best action fight you can make i'd probably say that yeah okay max versus toporia for the title would post Volk would be a special night at the office, Luke. That'd be a big fight.

It would be huge. Huge. All right, from Leo the Lion Levy. Got enough L's in there. Can you guys list the top five best chins in the UFC of all time? BC, what do you say? The Diaz brothers have got to be on that list. True. Mark Hunt has to be, that list true mark haunt has to be

in roy nelson and mark haunt have to be they have to be foundational aspects they have to be uh yeah roy nelson in particular but yeah big nog although he showed more of it in pride right big nog's chin is just is there's nothing like it luke there's nothing like it big nog's chin is one of the most legendary things of all time there's nothing like it nothing when we did that fade or deep dive and i got to re you know reimagine those moments like holy shit that guy's got a chin on him uh i would say dan henderson dan henderson's got a big ass chin yeah um josh emmett yeah josh was pretty good Max Max obviously Max has a great chin um who are guys that had great chins I just I mean for for a time Vanderlei Silva had a good chin it just got worn down as they all do about chins because you mentioned Diaz brothers as your first offering and I'm not

going to sit here and say that Diaz brothers don't have bad assery and their punch resistance but I've always felt there's a difference, not that there's levels, but there's distinctions within who has a great chin. Because some guys have flash chins, think Eddie Alvarez, meaning you can floor them, right? There were certain boxers on the way up, bright prospects, but they got dropped, flash knockdowns a couple of times. You can have a flashish chin,

but does that change your overall reputation on true will and resistance to be able to get up and continue and hang in craziness? I mean, Eddie Alvarez is a dog. No one's going to ever say it. To me, he's got one of the best backbones in this sport's history, but you could hurt him quicker than most, right? Poirier, too. I'm not really talking about that.

I'm talking about guys who can take a punch without being knocked down. So you would not put Eddie and Poirier? I'm serious. Eddie and Poirier, you wouldn't put them in that they have flash chins but they have wills that are next level they've both been stopped with strikes no okay okay which doesn't say they don't have good chins they do we're talking the question here is all timers all timers i don't think they have all timer chins um i think they have just very very good ones so yeah uh all right bc a female fighter who develops a reputation solely based on their chin or not solely but a huge part of of why they

can hang in there because that's a superpower emmet is an elite fighter luke because he has that chin to be able to hang in fights and still get what's her face who is the who is the one forty fiver cyborg beat the fuck out of in UFC? The Canadian woman, I believe. Felicia Spencer. Felicia Spencer. She beat the living dog shit out of her and she hung around. Yeah, she's teaching now, Luke. I'm sure she did.

She did have a great chin. Mikey bringing up to that. The fans are offering in the live chat within the misogyny and racism. Luke Mikey swam through and found it. Yeah, dude. Number one with a bullet. John Jones has to be, has to be, has to be, has to be mentioned in this conversation. And Mikey says Marvin Vittori.

Yeah. How the hell we forget that so quickly, Luke? How the hell do we? How the hell do we? 100% rock chin. Absolute fucking iron chin. Sick chin. Yeah, yeah.

All right, here we go. From It's Not Cage Fighting, has flyweight become the best women's division in the UFC, BC? That's a question for you. Yeah, so let's have that question. Has it right now topped 115? I think you can make that argument. Some of that also is like, look,

Rose just might have left 115 to go to 125. People are now parachuting in. Why? Because there's big business, because there's big names. 115's key has always been that I think from 1 to 10, the top 10 has always been very strong. There's always been like four or five women who you're like, I could see them winning the title.

And there's also been legends who have fought each other multiple times and built this sort of Mount Rushmore of the division's history of Ioana, Rose, Whaley, Andrage. Who was the other one I'm missing, Luke? There's another one. Oh, Esparza won the title twice. I mean, there's been great fighters that have come through here, but yeah, at the moment right now, 125 is the best women's division in the game. It is. It is. I think that I don't, I don't think that's that crazy right now. I mean, you know, six months ago, that might have been crazy. But, dude, times change quickly in the sport. Things move rapidly.

So, yeah, you might be right. You might be right. And it kind of should be because people have always said the reason why 115 has been like overwhelmingly the best UFC female division in history has been because that's just the perfect weight class where you have the largest number of women that size who are also really good and have been training forever and have gotten to that level. But weight cutting is not easy and people grow over time. So it should be natural that eventually 125 would maybe not catch up, but would start to fill up of people who say, Hey, it's only a 10 pound difference. Let's move up. And especially when that was a barren division where you had a much shorter ride to the hey, it's only a 10-pound difference. Let's move up. And especially when that was a barren division where you had a much shorter ride to the title,

it has finally caught up with us. 115 is not easy to make. Fair enough. I don't think that's crazy at all. Especially when people fill out muscularly, that changes the weight cut, right? It does. And, you know, on the men's side, too, when you're 24,

it's one thing. When you're 31, 32, it's a very different one. All right, BC, last but not least, from Telvin Kipapa, the goat. Oh, Hawaii's own. Oh, I love that guy, yeah. But it says Cole Brown 858 on the screen there. Mikey. That's all right.

Last but not least, if you guys had the chance to book a MMA fight between two celebrities, who would they be? BC, who would they be? You mean after Musk versus Zuck? Yeah, I would actually keep it Musk versus Zuck. Winner gets shot into outer space. Loser gets shot to the bottom of the Mariana Trench. We've got a little bit more on that in Have You Seen This Shit,

so I won't go there. And just to clarify quickly here, I'm not standing on the street corner saying I want this fight, okay? Did you get some pushback? Oh, yeah, a lot of it. I just want to let people know nor you know i think it's only it's disrespectful to the ufc and elite mma to roll this fight out i just felt like while we were debating it that there was a certain inevitability

that if the fighters if the two guys actually wanted to do it the two lustful billionaires yeah right that to see dana that giddy means it actually could get done so let's actually talk about it rather than just shit on them and the people who would be interested in it. I also do agree that if it was happening, I couldn't turn away from it. I'd have to get involved in that. I mean, yeah, it would have to be. But I am not asking for this, nor do I necessarily want it. I was just playing off of Luke's anger to try to have an interesting discussion. But is there a celebrity? I remember when Joe Roggan was going to fight uh wesley snipes at one point i was like i remember i forget what ufc was but there was one ufc where on the

air you can verify this unless they edited it out on fight pass but there is one event on the air where joe rogan was like uh you know my friend wesley snipes is watching it's a real offer um they got reasonably close that's a little different because you have two guys with martial arts training and then one guy you know obviously with a significant amount of martial arts involvement, even that would be gimmicky, but, um, you know,

let's say there was an action movie star, and I'm sure you can fill in the names of the modern ones that are in there, you know, physical twenties and thirties prime who I'm not thinking of, but what, what if we put in, you know,

a Paul brother against like a leading bad-ass action movie star? that's kind of, I'm the wrong guy to ask this because it's like i've seen so many fights there's no mystery to me here it's like two guys who are inevitably going to be shit at this which two guys who are shit would you like to see do this and it's like yeah that doesn't do anything for me i don't know how to answer that um mikey is offering michael b jordan versus mark walberg since they both did boxing movies okay michael b jordan's probably the name i'm thinking like like an in shape in the moment leading actor who's just sick on ped just i mean he's just he's a shredded machine luke what if he is shredded as shit.

Seriously. Everybody could pause the show or fast forward if they don't want to hear this, but Michael B. Jordan versus Logan Paul in a straight-up MMA fight. Could that happen? Would you care? And would Dana break glass? Dana's already said that if this Zuck thing happens,

it would be a main event of a UFC pay-per-view. I just don't see any way these guys do this and then take the rep the perceived anyway reputational harm that would come from a loss or worse like do no one wants to be nate robinson no one wants to be nate robinson nate trained according to people that knew nate nate had never boxed before and had trained for like a couple weeks and thought real didn't realize what he was getting into obviously right right if these these guys are michael Jordan, B. Jordan has to be a great athlete. He's in that sick shape at all times. Obviously, he has to work hard along with the absurdities they're pumping inside of him.

Seriously, imagine him and Logan Paul if they went all out and all in. I think if you show up to fight and give your best, you're not taking a reputational hit unless you get like one punched and you get smeared across if you get one punched and these guys by the way they suck ass but the possibility of getting one punched is real um yeah it would be bad for you which is why this whole thing is so stupid you think a 50 year old uh you know bag of milk from apartheid fucking land is gonna do something interesting like how fucking out of your mind do you have to be to think something like that's just the dumbest shit ever it's going to be the worst fight you've ever seen um so i don't know if you get i'm serious

about this like old guys the zuck thing it's it's it's a next level sort of stupid but if you got a prime in the moment athlete and they were given the c and they were super i mean they have to be uber famous but they were given the cm cm punk thing where it's like okay go train at a real gym we're gonna put that real fight it went horribly that was also a late 30s cm punk and they were at that moment lusting for the attention i'm saying if somebody like logan paul michael b jordan who in great shape agreed to do this one time I don't think this is the stain on the sport of the Zuck Musk level um and I think well I don't know I don't I think I think if you had someone like Rogan now Rogan's in his 50s too but like let's say Rogan was back in his 30s or something you know black belt jiu-jitsu was a taekwondo competitor actually a very good one

I could look the other way on that one for sure I think that one's actually reasonably worth you know doing or entertaining at a bare minimum. But it's when you've got these guys in Zuckerberg, it's like, dude, don't you have a company to save? Why are you – your shit is like going down the tubes by the day. Instagram too. TikTok is eating your fucking lunch. You got work to do, homie. You should be not training with Lex Friedman and doing a little more work to save your company.

But okay, neither here nor there you know these are these these questions are like completely uninteresting to me because it's like dude like if you go to a gym dude if you want to see musk versus zuck i'm not doing a bit what it would look like go find your local jujitsu gym on nogi night and then just go watch the the beginners class that's what you're gonna get like what is so mysterious but this is where i take the other side and start arguing with you you're not we want we're not expecting high level striking or jujitsu fine it would be super rich people get punched in the face it's what max kellerman always argues that boxing is the actually the best sport of all time because if your four favorite sports broke out in a city,

everyone runs to the fight. Yeah. You run to the fight, dude, and this is what it's all about. You'd run to see these guys show you the balls of doing this and see who we can laugh at. State it though.

State it very clearly that you're saying, Oh, it's a, people would want to see it. No, no, no, no.

Tell me why you want to see it specifically. What is interesting to you the only thing interesting to me in a zuck thing would be the the car crash can't avoid have to see what they look like are they gonna really come out and beat each other up like what is this i don't expect to be entertained i don't expect that this is a good thing for the sport but if it was happening and we couldn't stop it luke which to be fair maybe my other mcgregor had that feeling for a while before people actually were like okay let's get excited about this and figure out what it could be um you'd have to watch that's that's why i don't think you could completely just drop a deuce on this like you would have to watch it luke and what you'd be looking for

is the ridiculous it's ridiculous i mean i would watch it because it's my job i don't think you'd have to watch anything like that again i'm going to say one more time you go to any gym find the beginners class you're going to see exactly what you're going to get between these two you're going to see some guy who showed up from his office you're going to see some guy who showed up for the 6 30 p.m nogi class from his office take on some other 30 year old guy who left the job for the 6 30 p.m nogi class they're going to do armbar drilling for a little while they're going to run around then they're going to spar it's going to be shit yeah that's what you're going to see nobody's expecting that that part

wouldn't be shit luke you need to get past that you need to understand that there's not a damn person on this earth that's like man i want to see if if zuck can pass his guard you think he's got a numeral platter going so hey, honey, get me another one of them beef jerky. Mikey brings up people buy barstools rough and rowdy, and that's a bunch of bums fighting. Right, but those guys show up to get mocked. So are these guys in the end.

They don't realize they're going to get mocked. You know what? Put Musk versus Zuck on rough and rowdy, and I pull back almost all of my criticisms. Okay, but the point is, they don't know they're gonna get mocked. They're just there to get attention. Yes, they do. They book these guys who are eminently mockable up front, dude.

That's what they do on purpose. Zuck would probably think he, Zuck would be pressured to show that he's a real jujutsu. Look, he would care, but no, come on. No one's- That's the thing, all these guys wanna do this, like you see Musk's tweet. He's like, I have trained in judo and then uh no contact no rule street fighting no you didn't you're an out of shape apartheid fuck stop lying to everybody you're not going to do this

none of this is real you're just making it up no one believes you no one thinks you're a badass work on your shit please i wish you would take that fervor and assign it to correctly pronouncing the non-Latina UFC women's fighters last names. That's true. That is a fair criticism I will make. What do you want? I got my favorites. What do you want? Let's get into the shit, Luke.

Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. I scoured the globe for the ups and downs, the highs and lows, the good and bad, the ugly, the in-between. From combat sports to elder abuse and beyond, it's called Have You Seen This Shit? Well, isn't that convenient, Luke? Zuck Musk fever is sweeping the nation, and Dana White has already made T-shirts uh Luke if this doesn't

come off then this is Zufa boxing t-shirt 2.0 but how do you react to the smile atop that t-shirt desperation yeah it is it is desperation it is it is yep I've said before dude the only reason the only reason we're doing this is because we don't have a mega fight on the horizon. So they're just doing this to fill. It just tells you what's not actually happening. Because if we were having the Spence versus Crawford version in MMA, all the conversation would be about that. But we don't have that. So they're just doing this.

Two videos from now, we're going to run sound when Dana talked to, or we're going to show you a quote from Dana when he talked to Pat McAfee onee on the show but one of the things he said on there luke is i'll be on the phone with both guys right after this and we're going to talk so maybe this is like all those dinners with habib where he just kept backing up the truck more and more and it didn't work out but luke a lot of people going hey dana what about the hypocrisy in this let's let's go to this videotape that's one of the big problems with boxing right now it's all about these gimmicky type fights and that's just not what i do here it's not what i do i i put on fights with the best fighters in the world a few moments later i was talking to both elon and uh mark last night both guys are absolutely dead serious about this if they

really want to do it and they're serious and we can figure it out and figure out a way to pull this off i would absolutely positively do this. Build a real card with real guys and they're the main event. They're the main event. Now let's go to the quote from the Pat McAfee because he did kind of softly question and be like, well, isn't this a gimmick? You said you don't do gimmick fights. Dana's quote is this ain't a gimmick fight. Gimmick is MMA guys doing boxing and getting beat. We have a fight between two. We've seen it already.

We know how it ends. This is a fight between two of the most powerful, richest in the world. Who will win? Who has seen this before? Nobody. It's also a crossover fight that literally everyone will watch. While the latter, I believe, is true, the former is this isn't a gimmick fight yeah so um you've said to me offline that you think dane is just because of the espn deal just bored as shit and that's why

we have power slap and that's why we have this i think he's bored with regular mma i mean i don't know that i've not spoken to him and i'm sure I did, he would tell me to go fuck myself. And okay, that's his right. But, you know, when you're like I do during the course of the show, I got another email about Power Slap 7 or no, it's on July 7th. Power Slap 3, whatever it is. I don't even know. AFW, baby.

The Wolverine is back. It's like, dude, like this is where all of his attention is gone, largely. It's around saying things about francis which you can you know we've already talked about that promoting slap and now this it's like have you have you heard him talk about a lot i mean obviously it's you know in fairness it's a couple it's a couple weeks away between um ufc 290 but like honestly i feel like he's you know again i'm just guessing it just feels to me like he's a little bit bored with not so much high level mma or the super highest level but like regular day-to-day stuff it seems a little bit bored with not so much high level MMA or the super highest level, but like regular day to day stuff.

It seems a little bored by me. I want to, I want to close at this point. Cause you know, rightfully you get a lot of Dana paraders that'll come out at us on social media. And again, I always get it when it's just the people that like,

look, I don't care about any of this. I care about fights. There's fights on every Saturday. Leave me alone. That's the case. It's probably, you know,

just move forward. But you know, people are like, oh, your butt hurt about being in that video, blah, blah, blah. No, it's probably you know just move forward but you know people like oh you're but hurt about being in that video blah blah no it's constant lying it's constant contradicting i mean like everything he said is about boxing shitting on it he's doing right now boxing says promoters don't work together he says and they get in the way of the biggest fights he's literally getting in the way of francis and john right now but i get he can lean on his excuse of we tried to make

it francis didn't want it okay okay but why would we care so much unless we're butthurt about that video? The video's a joke, first of all. But here's why. I thought Ben Folks on Twitter actually summed it up the best. Because Dana's the only leader of UFC that speaks on the regular to the media. You don't get quarterly calls with Ari about Endeavor's future where the media can ask business-related questions. You don't get any close-ups with anyone, really.

I mean, the matchmakers don't have a public profile and a give and take outside of mixed tweets that we talked about that time. So when you're only public deliverer of the message, because people are like, don't you guys get it? You've been covering combat sports forever.ers lie they say shit okay but ufc has a control over this industry like no other and the only guy that speaks publicly is constantly talking in circles lying or outright contradicting himself and that's all we get so you know what i mean and look to be honest when we do get dana it's hey dana obviously

this is a great fight for that guy what'd you think uh what what do you say what well i don't make fun of him for his hearing loss i mean i thought i thought yes i thought he looked great and you know okay dana so what's next to that guy oh you know we don't we don't make fights on the night of the fight you know that already that's all we ever give him anyway on top of this it's just sort of like, look, there are realities of covering this game as a journalist, which they're trying to move all journalists out in favor of entertainers. That's a fact.

In favor of entertainers and influencers. And I get that. I get that the direction is going for sports media. And I'm not trying necessarily to stand on the corner and say, protect sports media because we're entertainers too, Luke. That's what it is. We're getting a paycheck to come out here and be provocative but that's our only access to give and take and answers and clarity look there's no ombudsman for ufc that you can email and get

your things sorted out right like it all points up the chain and they don't speak so when you do speak and we're constantly catching you in lies who can quote dana accurately in a story anymore like accurately nobody it's not possible independent yeah independent uh short of independent verification that you know it's just hard to know what is going to be said it's true the only thing i'll add to this is because i know this must be a fun segment i want to keep it fun i'll just say it's like dude it's our job not to be like you know we're the journalistic truth tellers like we're gonna get shit wrong too obviously yeah but the job is to to the best extent possible with an honest relationship with the audience to check up on promoters whether it's the pfl doing what they're doing whether it's scott

coker and belt or chatri like i feel like i spit venom you know no matter where it needs to go so um in this particular case this is a little more on the silly side than anything else. But to me, it just speaks to the fact that like, we don't have any of this big shit going on. Endeavor is using this product to make maximum amount of money, not necessarily in conjunction with fan interests. If people don't like us saying that, I don't know what to tell you, but you have a choice to go and consume other media.

So do that. Sure. Yeah. Well, let's get back into the fun. Luke UFC in Jacksonville gave us some moments. David Onama sent Gabriel Santos and by proxy MK superfan Dominic Sarno, who told you and I that Gabriel was coming. He sent him to hell, Luke.

And how about Onama doing the Adesanya emoji afterwards? Yeah, I didn't love that. I mean, a great knockout, by the way. Great knockout. But then doing this shit, like, come on, man well it's it's it's you know wow that's a big win for him though that's a nice finish luke look at that uppercut the uppercut was beautiful the finish was great like good for him he looked awesome this is uh he's on a putting together like a decent record now but just taking the izzy bit like it was it was awesome when izzy did it but like you gotta

you gotta at a bare minimum here's my problem with it at a bare minimum he didn't remix it you gotta remix it a little bit you know and if you can't think of anything just show your hog luke right yeah just walk around like that you know all right hey lightweight's trevor peak and jose mariscal i much of must have butchered that my must have uh you tweeted this out look they put on a striking clinic during this one sequence let's look in on it i mean here's what i'm going to say everyone's clowning this shit and with good reason this is massively better than zuck versus uh musk right i mean just like kind of look like pena nunes one or no or two no this is this is spence versus crawford in a world where musk versus zuck exists

that's all right well i'm not i'm not shitting on peak and mariscal because they did make this a fun ass fight here's a particularly fun sequence from it as well oh boy oh my god just bombs just i mean this guy he's just winning on toughness you know god bless him hey trevor peak to be all fair i mean this guy came from's just winning on toughness, you know, God bless him. Hey, Trevor peak to be all fair. I mean, this guy came from like meth and jail to get to this career, Luke. And, you know, he went out and poured it out on Saturday. He gives you what he's got. You can't say that. I mean, look at him. He gives you what he's got. It's just that, like, you know, it's hard to be like, Hey, this is the place where the best fighters in the world fight. It's like, well, sometimes, you know know well luke real recognized real backstage and boy were you happy to see this footballer sergio ramos who sat cage side

just just loving on taparia dude i mean i've said this before you can make an argument that this is the most uh famous sporting uh famous athlete um who's ever attended a ufc fight um ever more than jim brown at ufc one globally famous sergio ramos is massively more famous than him math people like what about tom brady one more time sergio ramos is several orders of magnitude mike he dropped mike tyson on us he's right so mike tyson's an interesting one because here's what i would say i would actually agree like we were kids in the 80s dude mike tyson was like a fucking god i mean it's hard to like top what that meant so all time at his peak yes i do think mike tyson was more popular today less so well luke flyweight joshua van jammed all the buttons on the controller at the same time against Zuma Gulov. Luke, look at this.

Damn. Zuma Gulov's tough as shit, bro. I'll give him that. Look at this. Boy, that hair just swinging in the wind. Did he throw both hands at the same time? I mean, that's just offense. I've seen that.

Dude, you know who I was watching the other day who did that? Emmanuel Augustus. He would do one of these punches at the same time in a boxing match. Like, he was nuts. You remember Pacquiao did that to the side of Claudio's head when he got wounded by the referee in that awful fight? Yeah. I forgot about that.

I've mostly put that fight out of my memory. Luke, Jack Jenkins had a big win, but how about his corner man, Luke? Is this the best haircut in UFC history? You know what? Fuck it. If you're going to go bald, just have the worst haircut on earth just what do you call that that's not a mullet he doesn't have put that one up again put that one up again mikey i mean this guy just fucks that's what i know that's what i know bc he just has sex you know that or he has a grosser search history

than even you which is probably you know what he should do he should shave his balls in a similar way just have like one patch where all the hair comes out, you know? Yeah, it's great. Wellness check time. Luke, we do this once in a while. Let's check in on Johnny Walker. Are they the Unibros? It looks like the comments whenever I tweet something very true.

The Unibros. They'd be a good tag team in WWF, Luke. That's great. Hey, Fat Joe made a large public declaration during the 2023 NBA draft. Let's listen in. What player do you like most that's been drafted tonight? Anybody stand on your mind? Is it Wimbayama?

I tell you the truth. I can't go against Wimbayama. He is what he is. Right. But I tell you, I like Dick. I mean, Luke, who doesn't? You know what? Good for Fat Joe.

People should be allowed to be who they want to be. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. People should be allowed to be who they want to be. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. Shout out to Grady Dick of Kansas. Yeah, he was talking about that dude. Yeah, the one, the guy who has like the world's worst haircut and then the world's worst suit, but it seems like he's a cool, fun guy. You know?

Yeah, yeah. A very big dick in the NBA circle there coming in. Huge. No doubt. Shout out to Fat Joe, though, for coming clean. Luke, you've long told me that vapors are closers right right i guess yeah coffin closers here's new york giants uh football head coach brian de ball during the hell yeah bro hell yes dude first of all correct me if i'm wrong i know mikey is our resident like actual giants fan you rep them but you're a

bullshit connecticut carpetbagger so you don't count. Oh, wow. Mikey's from Jersey, bitch. Come on. Mikey, Mikey, correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't this guy have, like, not like obviously didn't win the Super Bowl or anything, but didn't Brian have, like, a really good first season as a head coach?

Like, he kind of had a decent turnaround, didn't he? Yeah, he had a good year. My man had a good year and said, give me the vape pen. Hell yeah, high as shit. Hell yeah. Let's celebrate with a family barbecue luke let's go to the backyard this one's about to take a turn this is gonna end real poorly here we go hey honey save the cannoli please i mean you know save the hey one more time one more time on

this mikey like my man has been smoking that probably for seven or eight hours yeah here she comes does she know that there are breaks on that thing does she know that i can also offer luke as much as this is a sad turn of events for any dad in the backyard isn't like you know a captain of a ship supposed to go down with it that's what happened on the titanic luke right i've seen a lot of they all got incinerated um yeah i mean shouldn't shouldn't this guy have stayed the course and defended that? I mean, you know, those ribs were, I mean, you know, the sauce. I mean, they're done. They're just covered in gravel and piss.

Hey, PFL 6 in Atlanta gave us some controversy in a really shitty fight. They also gave us some sick KOs. They did. If you think we're PFL haters, we ain't. Let's go to reigning welterweight champion Sadabu Si in round three against Shane Mitchell. Amazing. Perfectly placed.

Perfectly timed. Reset. Steps backwards. Just a wonderful shot from him. Won the season last season. Hard to root against that guy. I think Terry Edom just rolled over in his grave watching that, Luke. I think Terry Adam's still alive, BC.

Yeah, well, you know, reputationally I'm talking about. All right. Let's go to welterweight Carlos Leal. He went clubbing against Delano Taylor in this All-Brazil showdown. Oh, did the old stank. Damn. We be clubbing. Dude dude jesus christ you know the the the smart way this is not an all brazil affair bc taylor is from jamaica oh i there we go i i

read that flag wrong sorry luke taylor not not from brazil sorry read that too fast uh don't you think red stripe the famous beer of rio de janeiro there you go don't you think though that uh the the smart cage should blink in red lights whenever the fight should be stopped when it's getting too gnarly just so these referees you know why do you need referees if you've got an actual smart cage is really absolutely hey let's shout out lightweight clay collard he clinched a playoff spot with the second round stoppage of stevie ray luke there's been a continuing good story in combat sports yeah well not so much the destruction of stevie ray who then retired following this but your point clay collard who by the way i think clay collar is fighting shane burgos if memory serves

from the seedings which you know as a fight bc you wouldn't complain about no but um clay collard had this he washed out of ufc had this resurgence through the pandemic through boxing now goes back to mma and is having the wins and the moments of his entire career, he is absolutely what everything PFL is supposed to stand for. Indeed, indeed. By the way, I got great shit the rest of the way. What have you seen this shit? I'm going to tell you in real time, Luke. Here we go.

Finally, PFL gave us welterweight Magomed Karamov smearing David Zawada across the smart cage in round one. Oh, just leapt into range and got him. Magomed Karamov, by the way, one of the better fighters in PFL history. He's good. He's really good. Indeed. Indeed.

He kind of looks like Magomed Magomedov, but that's not who he is, Luke. He's Magomed Magomed Karamov. That's right. Don't you fucking forget it. All right. Hey, Luke, we all can't wait for July 29th Spence Crawford you know at Showtime pay-per-view but what the f kind of stretch was Errol Spence doing here and does that make those two common law married so this is how

BC and I warm up for MK I did see like the most cynical boxing fans quote tweet that video and go Crawford TKO for sealed it. There it is. Look, there it is. No, I mean, here's the thing. It's like, dude, is there a way to stretch with another man that is normal looking? You know what I mean? Like if you want to get actual physical stress, like if you go even you go to a chiropractor, it's still weird ass positions, you know? Yeah, that's true.

That's true. Let's go to the parenting move of the week. Let's head to the ball field. Okay. All right. What is this, Latin America? Look, that's the US of A. That's Major League Baseball right there. Dude, I think I told you about this before.

I think the legal drinking age in Colombia is like 18, something like maybe 16, something like that. But, dude, I didn you about this before. So I think the legal drinking age in Colombia is like 18, something like maybe 16, something like that. But dude, I didn't realize this. So we had a party for one of her relatives, my wife's relatives, when we were down there. It was a birthday party. It was one of their birthday celebrations. And we went to a bar.

And then a bunch of her family members brought their kids. And the kids are like 13, 14. And I'm like, how the fuck are they in this bar so the way it works in columbia is yeah you got to be 18 i guess to get into a club or something although you know they get around that too but if you show up with your parent to a bar they'll just let you in and drink so these fucking 13 and 14 year olds were boozing next to me and i'm like dude this is a this is a weird experience here, but they think it's normal.

Alright. Well, there you go. We've always, you know, look, Port-A-Johns, they're a lot like regional MMA. They're gross as shit and anything can happen inside of them. True? I've seen abortions in Port-A-Johns at heavy metal concerts.

Actual abortions. I'm not a part of this conversation at the moment. Thank you, but let's go over to the old Port-A-Pot at heavy metal concerts. Actual abortions. This conversation at the moment. Thank you. But let's go over to the old Port-A-Pot Luke and see what happened here. you should be you should be allowed to murder someone for that yeah that was gonna say that i don't even know if i should have showed that on this show luke that's some cruel shit i hope no one copies that move but that's uh just showering and someone's push them door first down is the ultimate just oh my god oh yeah the door first bit that's the one that you're like wow you know what i don't even want to say it i don't even want to say i don't want to get fired there's no way you

don't end up covered in fecal material there's not a chance right yeah in your mouth in your eyes up your nose in in your ears. Yeah. We used to do different stunts, like try to ride our bicycle down the stairs. You ever do that before, Luke? I can't believe he's white, BC. It seems so uncharacteristic of him. A little frat house fun there for you.

Hey, Luke, you know what people really want to play in this? Hashtag rate that tat. Let's bring in the resident tattoo expert. Here is NBA champion Nikola Jokic's brother's tattoo of his brother as the Joker. It's okay. It's not great. Are you serious? That looks badass.

What's wrong with that? Go back. Look at serious? It looks badass. What's wrong with that? Go back. Look at the flame on the card. It's a little bit mangled. It's a little hard to see the hair on top. No, let me finish. The hair on top does not look really like hair all that much.

The face is okay. The middle finger, look how big it is relative to the rest of the fingers. Like they're kind of mangled. The shading is a little bit off under the chin. There's a lot that's wrong with it. I think that was to size, Luke. He's like seven feet tall.

Like I said, it's not terrible, but it's just okay. All right. For our last one, I don't want you to rate the tap, but the technique. We never rate the technique in mid-tat, Luke. So tell me what you feel about this. Oh, no. They're not. No. Sk mid-tat, Luke. So tell me what you feel about this. Oh, no. They're not. No.

What the fuck? Are you shitting me? Degree of difficulty 10,000, Luke. First of all, no helmet on these two idiots. I would say it's Florida, BC, but the terrain doesn't look like it. Hey, the guy has gloves on. At least that's sanitary.

This is going to be the worst tattoo ever. You said you have a couple on your body that would look like this. Look, you've told me that. I mean, not quite this bad. I mean, I got some bad ones, but what the fuck is this? This is a drive-by tattooing.

Yes, it is. What are your thoughts? Oh, my effing God. All right, let's go to a- Oh, my God. What? I've seen UFC fighters with worse tats than that. I definitely have.

That's the worst tattoo I've ever seen. It's better than the damage. Darren, the damage. Elkins, is that what that says across his chest, Luke? No, even that one is better than that piece of shit. That's the worst tattoo I've ever seen. Holy fuck. All right.

Hey, people have said, hey, we don't need more of BC, your restroom fight of the week. So let's go over to the urinal, Luke. Look at this. This is great. What are – oh. KO'd. KO via urinal cake.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. My man loses his left shoe. Watch. And then it bop. My man has urinal cakes knocking this fool out of his shoes and socks. All right. T-shirt of the week, Luke, goes to this fisherman. The worst day of fishing beats the best day of withdrawing from heroin and...

I mean, that's probably true true it's probably true wow that's you know what i can't even say that's wrong i can't even say that luke you ever head to your local uh grocer to the meat section and sometimes you're like yo what's going on here uh would you eat this i'd eat the shit out of that you and fat joe luke or what yeah after the nba draft we're gonna cook that up cook up some dick all right let's check in on abuela luke it was her birthday over the weekend it was oh god oh god oh Oh, God. Oh! First of all, why does she have the haircut of an Ewok? That's what I want to know.

Oh, boy. Abuela, come on. Come on. That was not taken at your house. I'm not being... No, it was not. Luke, is this next move genius or crazy? Because there's a thin line sometimes between that. Here's a fella on his way to a job interview with cargo shorts on

and he's got totino's pizza rolls filled in his cargo shorts this gentleman deserves to be hit by cars now luke i said job interview he could have been on his way to like a public restroom for all i know but uh yeah he just left a wawa that he had shoplifted which i support but uh luke people want to see more jokes here's your joke of the week from this young boy george washington i bet he's like rock hard right now dude really gavin how many times it's so good all right it was like gavin how many times are we going to tell you to stop talking about erections

luke does this make you harder flaccid be honest um wait there's a good ending. Watch out. She makes me weep for her parents. Okay, there you go. There you go. And Luke, if you didn't already need it, here's your reminder that soccer fans are the worst people in history. This is an Everton fan. Oh, my God. fan oh my god the dirt bag toffees look at that's what they call themselves the toffees that's the slang anyway or the you know the golly dude you know people get on you for uh

for bandwagoning that spanish team people get on ariel for bandwagoning that Spanish team? People get on Ariel for bandwagoning some Forest team, Luke. You know this team? No. Oh, either do I. Nottingham Forest? I don't know. Nottingham Forest, yeah. They're like a second or third division team or whatever. Alright, alright. Luke, our final... I don't even know. I don't keep up with English football. Our final video of the week

combines two of the best things about this segment. A neighborhood street fight and elder abuse. Let's go to chaos in this waterfront area. So this gentleman is trying to throw rocks through his neighbor's windows. He's so pissed off. Only one thing can save the neighborhood from this man. Luke, what do you think it is?

Oh, wow. Oh, my God, man. That's assault. that's murder dude they ran over him like the wicked witch of the west on in uh wizard of oz man so the extended version of that video shows him throwing attempting to throw rocks through multiple houses so just some crazy guy in the neighborhood yeah and he broke a window right there i have no idea what the backstory is on this, but this guy saved the, look at, look at Chub Rock. Just save the neighborhood. Dude, this fat fuck rolled up on this golf cart and was just like, I was on the way to get meatball subs. And I just saw him and, uh, my true hero. Uh, Mikey said the, the guy who was run over was saying, please let me out. I'm done.

Underneath the back. Yeah, I bet you are, fucker. You're underneath the golf cart. Thank you, Mikey Mormile for CBS for compiling all that shit. That's what I got for the week. I have a phone call in seven minutes, so I have to go. So, BC, let's remind everyone. Thank you for watching today. We greatly

appreciate it. Thanks to everyone who tuned in on Saturday's broadcast. Again, we'll be on that july 8th broadcast before ufc 290 so you can catch everything all at the same time uh let's see let's keep going here for just a second showtime.com is the label that pays showtime.com get a 30-day free trial if you'd like it you can keep it if not you're welcome to bounce you can go fuck yourself uh let's see morningcombat.store which which which might be turning around here a little bit. So good news. And then, of course, most importantly, but not to forget, morningcombat.gmail.com to, in fact, reach the show.

BC, any final thoughts before we take us out here? Do you think that Zoe the cat or my wife's dog Sasha was the MVP of this episode? Zoe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Zoe. That bitch. Good shit. All right. That's Brian Campbell. zoe yeah yeah yeah zoe that bitch good good all right oh happy anniversary today today russell and heather luke from georgia remember they got married by elvis and they brought him

yes today is their two-year anniversary in georgia congrats congrats folks very good congrats to them we appreciate their patronage and it's a big day for them all right that's brian campbell i'm luke thomas thanks to mikey morms and the ones and twos for helping us out today and doing a great job. We are done for the day. We'll see you Wednesday. And until then, may all of your gains be loyal.