MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou | McGregor Enters USADA Pool | MK Jeopardy | Morning Kombat Ep 507

Episode Date: October 27, 2023

On Episode 507 of Morning Kombat Luke and Brian preview Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou. Does Francis have any chance? The guys also break down some recent headlines in combat sports. Next up the guys ...test out a new friday game before closing out the show with Dead wrong. Morning Kombat is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts.     For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Reveille, Reveille, dogs. Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life. This is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell. This is Morning Combat.
Starting point is 00:00:19 Oh, yeah, it's your favorite. Beautiful disaster flying down the street again. It's Morning Combat Friday, October 27, 2023. They put awards on our shelf a lot, right? Because we're the best damn combat sports show, period. You saw Luke Thomas right there air guitaring to 1997's Sound System album by 311. They're just a classic in the crossover psychedelic rap rock connection, but I'm Brian Campbell. You can follow us at the handles below and Luke Thomas.
Starting point is 00:00:53 Uh, we've got a show for them today. A lot of weird stuff today. We're going to play, uh, our own version of fucking Friday, right? Yeah. We're just not going to eat like fried bologna covered in AIDS or whatever he eats. I don't know. We're going to play a game called Stupid Jeopardy today, and it's exactly what you think. It's like Jeopardy, just stupid. Yeah, it's a beta launch, Luke, which would be apropos for at least one of us and Mikey Mormile of CBS Sports behind the scenes. It's going to be a nice little soft launch of fun trivia to see where we go with this in the future OKBED is back with a special focus on all things Fury
Starting point is 00:01:29 Versus Nganou We'll have the latest news including an update from Jon Jones About his future But Luke, this is the part of the show on Fridays Where it gets a little artsy The long extended intro We talk about our weekend. We put on the old Delta 8 hat here, one love all the way around.
Starting point is 00:01:50 You fired up for today or what? Yeah, I'm fired up for today's show. I mean, my wife's out of town, and so it's Halloween time. So there's Halloween activities I have to take my daughter to today and tomorrow and Sunday and Monday. And then there's Halloween itself. So all of a sudden Halloween has turned into Hanukkah. I don't know when that happened, but it's many days of celebrations here in your nation's capital.
Starting point is 00:02:14 So yeah, there you go. They're dad of the year. Indeed. We're a big fan of, of Tukey Thomas. Some would, some have said, Luke, if it wasn't for Tukey Thomas, they would fully hate you rather than just like day to day, partially in and out hate you. BC, I know this might come as news to you, but there's a lot of people who like me just fine.
Starting point is 00:02:32 I know that's strange and bizarre sounding, but you tend to amplify people who have a certain kind of opinion for reasons I don't fully understand, except I think you kind of sock puppet their ideas. But I do want you to know I get plenty of words of encouragement. So for those folks who are kind enough to take time out of their day to do that, thank you. Thank you very much. Are you saying I'm the silent dick inside the sock puppet of our fan base? I think you've got some kind of weird latent issue with me,
Starting point is 00:02:55 which you like to express by amplifying any critical voice around me as like a means of doing that. I have been willing since the beginning to let doc cameras into my therapy sessions and have you and i do couples therapy luke okay in uh in farmington connecticut where i go but that you see plenty of people have negative things to say about you i just don't bring it up on air have you ever noticed that well you tend to you tend to disparage me well enough on your own as we go through the show also fair also fair yes yes i've just mounted an army but you're right luke 100 something plus youtube subscribers can't be wrong guys luke thomas
Starting point is 00:03:32 is a very successful combat sports analyst i don't know about all that bc they called me this morning from the tow truck place and the tow truck that's getting my car from the place it got towed to after the police recovered it. And he called me. He's like, hey, are you going to help me to get your car off the lot? And I'm like, guy, they stole my fucking car. How am I going to help you get it? You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:56 And he was like, but I don't know how to get it out of the lot. I'm like, that sounds a lot like a you problem and a lot less like a me problem. I didn't say that to him, but I'm like, what the fuck do you want me to do? If you said that to him, he would have full on right to defecate in your trunk, in my opinion. The insurance company told me that their best guess was after the appraiser went and looked at it yesterday. They're like, well, he threw the baby seat out. We're going to get that paid for. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Slept in the back seat. This is exactly how they said it. They go, it's going to need a detailing inside. I was like, oh, Jesus Christ. I don't know what happened. We have found plenty of fluids in the back seat. You may want to just rip the fabric right out of there. Thank you very much.
Starting point is 00:04:37 Luke, this is great. Did you tell them, got my toe spacers to the tow truck driver at all, Luke, or what? No, I did not mention that I had toe spacers, and I don't't have any on but look if you need some i got some right here there it is ali brie hayes over your shoulder there if you've watched coco all right great show coming at you i've mentioned mikey more mild man we what would where would we be without that guy luke right less high probably in the shitter in the shitter in the shitter i wanted to talk to you guys though about a growing uh i wouldn't say it's a problem Could be a good problem to have
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Starting point is 00:06:05 Well, that's a perfect transition to this. Luke, I want you to know that this episode of Morning Combat is presented to our viewers by the fine folks at FanDuel Sportsbook. Hey, FanDuel Sportsbook, make every moment more. Luke, before we transition to OK Bet presented by FanDuel Sportsbook. I did want to remind the people that tomorrow afternoon, Saturday, late afternoon on the East Coast, what are we thinking? Maybe 5 p.m. Eastern time, BCLT MK Live, Fury versus Ngannou, fight companion.
Starting point is 00:06:39 By request, Luke, this is what they wanted. They will get what they wanted. Yeah, they're going to get some. Again, the timing might be a little bit flexible sometime around five maybe five explicitly but sometime around then bc and i will go live i mean bc we are you know as as news articles pour out about saudi arabia's crimes against women well less so driving but trying to live as equals and you know people with 10 twitter followers having to get 34-year jail sentences for criticizing the government. I will say we are complicit in this.
Starting point is 00:07:07 Here we are talking about this card and buying the pay-per-view and then making CBS reimburse us. We are contributors in this moral dilemma. We are. Yes. Yes, it is. Look, it's a weird weekend of combat sports being that we've got Invicta tonight, shamrocks bk valor valor bk is back tonight on their own website you're also going to get some little handfuls of boxing uh amanda serrano will be back to 12 round three minute fight exactly tonight on the zone will defend her featherweight
Starting point is 00:07:38 titles as part of the jake paul mvp prospect series and then of course there's some scattered i think oshaki foster defending his title on DAZN On Saturday ESPN's got a title fight But obviously this weekend has just Kind of become about what's going on The ESPN Plus pay-per-view lane Riyadh, Saudi Arabia And all things Francis Ngannou
Starting point is 00:07:57 Versus Tyson Fury or maybe it's the other way around If Tyson's the A side So that's what we are going to focus In on in today's segment And in fact this okay bet Segment that's what we are going to focus in on in today's segment. And in fact, this OK Bet segment that we're about to throw to. Oh boy, am I proud to say it's brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook. A reminder, hey, make every moment more with FanDuel Sportsbook. Right here, right now, it's an abbreviated version of your favorite Friday segment
Starting point is 00:08:22 where one day to close 2023, either me or LT will have to sit through a concert that they just freaking hate. And, you know, the hijinks that will come out of that and the life scarring will be fantastic. This one's called Okay, Bet? All right, LT. I think it's more, it's not okay it's like okay bet like that okay bet yeah yeah bitch uh luke last week here's your update we mentioned it on monday but let's see it in full bloom after your boy bc took over the lead for the first time in 2023 i proceeded to bet with my heart and my vibes
Starting point is 00:09:07 and i had the golden sombrero oh and five as i urinal caked myself last weekend you went two and four which is not 79 and 1 so luke even though you have one less win you have three fewer defeats three more ties than i do so you will get the advantage once again as the leader of this segment. But instead of going five picks head-to-head with fights that you'll probably not watch, why don't we do a fun little breakdown here on Fury versus Ngannou. Three categories. We're going to pick who wins. We're going to pick the method of victory.
Starting point is 00:09:58 And then we are each going to pick a round prop of where one fighter could potentially score a finish whoever wins out of that that will add to our standings and we will keep this train moving but luke before we get into these picks we did have the fury and ghanu press conference yesterday for better or for worse can i just say something can i just say something about this bc in the month of october i have seen more of john fury's naked body than i had any desire ever you know what i'm saying that's the weird just this month here's what's so weird so john fury obviously is the overbearing father of tyson but is like this old school, I'm a fighting man where I come from a bare-knuckle lineage, and I will fight anybody at any time under any circumstances.
Starting point is 00:10:54 But, Luke, for the last five years, he's been slowly trying to lure Mike Tyson into a fight. And I think in John Fury's eyes, since he's banned from traveling to the U.S. or many other places because he took a guy's eye out in a bar once, and apparently Saudi Arabia doesn't have those rules, I think this is, you know, he hasn't been able to go to a lot of Tyson's fights. I think for him this week is only about trying to lure Mike Tyson into a bare-knuckle shirtless fight, true or false?
Starting point is 00:11:22 I think that, well, yeah, I mean explicitly, mean explicitly right i mean he was kind of taunting him as you indicated yesterday which was somewhat surprising or maybe i guess maybe not i guess maybe not what's weird about all this and what's weird and originally in my opinion about yuri i'm sorry tyson mike tyson training in ghanu even though that was francis and ghanu's idol growing up and even though there's connections with Riyad Sison where this financially made sense, let's not forget that Tyson Fury, the six foot nine ish heavyweight champion, was born weighing only one pound, extremely premature, told by doctors in 1988 upon arrival that he would not live through his first year and john fury stood up to the doctor and said not only will my son live he will go on to win the heavyweight championship of the world in boxing and because of that i will name him after the current champion mike tyson so that's always been weird to me that like tyson fury is now going after a fighter who's being trained by his namesake,
Starting point is 00:12:28 while his dad, who named him after Tyson Fury, has largely been spending the bill to this fight trying to actually fight Mike Tyson. It doesn't make any sense, Luke. Yeah, it makes absolutely zero sense at all. And I don't know, I'll just say this. Tyson Fury put out a video, or there was an interview he did, maybe with Sky, maybe with TNT, I don't remember who,
Starting point is 00:12:47 where he was complaining that the British government doesn't give him a special line when he comes home through the airport and how nice the Saudis are to him. He was like, shouts to MBS.
Starting point is 00:12:57 It was the guy who had Jamal Khashoggi fucking hacked up with a fucking bone saw. You know? He's just like, dude, they might have beheadings at the
Starting point is 00:13:05 beginning of this it's just entertainment for Tyson Fury like he's all in the whole undercard is honor killing Luke is that what you're doing I don't think that's a good direction all right yeah let's take that back right now um yeah there you go hold on hold on so what I'm saying is to wrap it all up John Fury might want a Saudi check too it looks like you know what i'm saying that's right want a saudi check well hey there's a lot of saudi that was such a good joke dude that's one of your better jokes ever that was that got me that got me that was good i i wanted to properly mention luke that all of our bonus content at youtube.com slash morning combat which does by the way have an interview with ken shamrock ahead of tonight's card it's got ryan garcia oscar de la jolla but luke the interview you did with uh journalist
Starting point is 00:13:50 kareem zedan of many outlets uh i thought was really important the whole idea that like don't look now but saudi and abu dhabi in general are really looking to be the next las vegas and they could actually own that title like soon so that's a fun chat to sit in on yeah it was surprising and it's not just the Saudis um the Qatari government was using their sovereign wealth fund as I mentioned dude they just bought a five billion dollar um component of monumental sports which owns the caps which owns the wizards and owns the mystics in addition to other sports properties. They're getting into it.
Starting point is 00:14:25 And we just saw, dude, I mean, just think about it. We just came off a huge UFC event in Abu Dhabi, so the United Arab Emirates. And now the next weekend, the next biggest event in combat sports is back in the same region, the Arabian Peninsula is going to take on and already has an outsized importance in the sport about where the biggest fights are going. And what this all could mean about in terms of becoming an attraction, becoming a place. And where is the center of the MMA universe was Tokyo. It was not in the United States. So I have lived through an era when the United States did not have the dominant market in the space. We just kind of take it for granted because it's been that way for a while.
Starting point is 00:15:21 And listen, the UFC, we understand, has certain controls over the industries that's going to make any competition difficult. But, dude, the Arabian Peninsula, whether you like it, whether you hate it, whatever side you come down on, it's going to have a major, major influence in combat sports and sports more generally heading forward. Yeah, so get your passports updated if you are the kind of person that buys $900 tickets once they get launched. You'll find out. Let's see some of this hijinks.
Starting point is 00:15:44 Let's go to the press conference face off here luke it is going to be a fight saturday between furian and ganu 10 rounds it appears to be a boxing exhibition although no one will comment publicly i saw mike copped your vsbn sort of report that it is an exhibition luke what we can tell from this face off is fury's definitely not six foot nine, so I've stood next to Francis. Francis is about 6'5". He's definitely a little bit taller than me. But Fury doesn't look to be like a real 6'9", or 6'8".
Starting point is 00:16:16 Maybe he's like 6'7". Yeah, maybe. Beats me to know what maybe. He's still taller than Ngannou, younger, faster, more skilled. Maybe the only difference here is the power and obviously also the self-belief of Ngannou. So there's your face-off. But Luke, Big John Fury tried to steal the show, which means the shirt's coming off pretty quick. He also tried to block the camera entirely during portions of this face-off.
Starting point is 00:16:43 Can we watch this gold piece of video here please dude all he needed was a golden palace you know ad on his look at look at the handlebars on this 60 year old man dude he's willing to fight right now do you think he's on the gear who big john big john big john yeah probably not i, who knows? By the way, did you see the Wyatt Earp handlebar mustache he grew for this event as well? I mean, he's a real man. Let's be very honest here. He's a real man, Luke. He lives by a different set of life rules.
Starting point is 00:17:14 His whole diet's probably just hot dogs and Hummers, and I'm not against that. But, yeah, there's your intense face-off. I guess intense meaning not intense at all. I've got to tell you, dude, can I just tell you dude can i just say we're gonna cover this fight we're gonna have fun with it i mean it's it's a relevant fight in the sense that nothing about the fight is relevant but the the names are big and the consequences if they're you know things go awry are significant so like there's a reason to pay attention uh but dude i gotta tell you man like these guys are having too much fun knowing how much money
Starting point is 00:17:45 they're making and how little is on the line like they're way too chummy for me i don't need them to be you know constantly adversarial but dude because there's nothing on the line there's just no real edge to any of this shit right or am i missing something fully fully agree with you luke and this is a high price pay-per-view even even though I'm sure the guarantees and the site fees for having this fight in Saudi Arabia are just through the roof. It's why Fury would do it two months before an Usyk historic fight. It's why Ngannou would go out of his way to throw himself at it, whether you want to play up this is all about money for him, or whether it is about other things like honor and the dream of becoming heavyweight champion, even though, I'm sorry, Francis, the heavyweight championship
Starting point is 00:18:25 is not on the line in this exhibition. We mentioned Mike Tyson's part of it. There was a little attempt at a verbal dust-up during the press conference. Let's watch and react to this piece of business. This is a fight going down in two days. All that talk is useless now. We shall see. Who are you, by the way?
Starting point is 00:18:44 We shall see. Who are you? by the way? We shall see. Who are you? Tell them who you are. Who's this man? You know who the fuck I am. Who is he? I'm the black cobra. You know who I am.
Starting point is 00:18:52 At the end of the day, we're not here trying to talk. Two days in the world to see. Mr. Nobody. In two days, the world will see. Mr. Nobody out of a cupboard. I'm sick of this guy. Where are you from? Francis!
Starting point is 00:19:01 Francis! Francis! Francis! Francis! Francis! Francis! Francis! Francis! Let us know who this man is! Francis! Francis! Francis! Tyson! Francis! Francis! Francis! Francis! Francis! Francis! Francis!
Starting point is 00:19:14 We can all do it! Tyson! Tyson Fury is the best in the world! And they all here call me a liar! I'm here when I'm supposed to be the hardest man in the world! Let's get him on! Let's get him on. Let's get it on. To socialism.
Starting point is 00:19:29 Raise your rock. And the new heavyweight champ of the world, Francis Nogano. Dude, he can't even say it. I mean, boxing is struggling with this. Have you heard chris mannix's constant pronunciation of like ningan who like people are all over the place francis in fairness i didn't get it right for a while either so i'll let he he was without sin neither did mike yeah neither did mike goldberg let's be honest about that but uh luke i will say this um
Starting point is 00:19:59 damn that is a hell's angels mustache that john grew seemingly in about four days because didn't we just see him with the Dylan Dennis build recently? Yeah, that's the kind of mustache where you're about to warn someone about their diabetes. Yes, or you're about to piss in the sink outside of their podcast studio, Luke, either or. But here's the deal. Ultimately, I love John Fury's hijinks.
Starting point is 00:20:21 I mean, I really do. It's stupid. This is stupid. That debate right there was stupid that was dewey cooper by the way the uh former pro kickboxer and boxer who's now uh the striking coach of francis and ganu and uh i think he's part of that team combat league luke as the president but a little back and forth there where do you think john fury ranks right now in combat sports well we have a lot of crazy trainers dads dads who are trainers, family hanger-ons.
Starting point is 00:20:46 I would have always put Angel Garcia, the trainer and father of Daniel Smith Garcia. Angel Garcia has been number one for a while, yeah. Until, though, true or false, until he said the N-word that time at the presser, and now they don't let him talk at all, ever. Yeah, I'm telling you, that word will get you into trouble, it turns out. Well, yeah, it seems. There's a lot of folks of European ancestry who have have some difficulty understanding that but it's the way of the world uh probably for a good thing do you think anyone else right now is on john fury's level in
Starting point is 00:21:13 combat sports of like no so the other like no no no because the other noteworthy dad that's kind of in the role in the spotlight right now is devin Haney's dad but he's and he'll talk a little shit but he's you know he's a normal dude basically. Or Teo's dad Teo Fimo Lopez's father. Okay but Teo he's so inactive and whatever it's yes so his dad is up there too but you know Angel Garcia was like a consistent like you'd see him three times four times a year it doesn't feel like you see Teo's dad unless he's active which is not all that often so uh devin haney's that one but dude angel garcia and you know what i saw angel garcia you were there with me when everyone thought he was going to get pasted by lucas matisse and then and garcia won and and then angel went to like
Starting point is 00:22:02 every boxing media member and told them to eat shit I remember that well more importantly than that I don't know if you remember two days before the fight at like the public workout in the MGM Grand Lobby he went off on Marcos Villegas of Fight Hub TV and did this whole
Starting point is 00:22:20 rant that went viral about how nobody's given Danny a chance and Matisse is not the real Valentino Argentino you know we're the real deal and all that and he you could see the pressure was mounting I remember thinking like is this fight too big for the Garcia's but dude here's where you got to give a lot of credit Danny Garcia's tough as nails and he can box dude he boxed circles around Matisse even even though matisse knocked his mouthpiece out of his mouth and out of the ring late in that fight yeah for folks that remember matisse was
Starting point is 00:22:50 this dude from argentina who had just i mean a dominant puncher a dominant puncher and he was on a roll heading into that fight and dude garcia fucking schooled him a little bit i was like holy shit man so angel garcia let everybody have it after that. All right, we have one more piece of video here about surrounding Ngannou and Mike Tyson and the manifestation of this fight, and then we'll get into our picks shortly after. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Where would I start? You'll be to death. No, I think that's the end. I'm finishing him in his ass. Tremont's on. Tremont. You'll be the death. No, I think that's the end. Dream on, mate. I'm finishing him. I'm beating his ass. Dream on, son. Dream on.
Starting point is 00:23:29 I think this is a manifestation. You know, this is a dream come true. And I remember four years ago, the first time that I met Mike Tyson right here, my only request was like, whenever I fight Tyson Fury, will you be in my corner and uh people thought i was losing it i was crazy it would never happen that was a million years ago yes
Starting point is 00:23:52 that was four years ago july 2019 here we are that fight is happening and then um so i'm very excited. Manifestation! Manifestation! I love you, Mike. Seriously, but wow. I wish we had a soundboard that we could play. They used to call it the, what did they call it? I had one of these giant devices when I was at SiriusXM. They call it the 360 Instant Replay, and you can just program all the ones in there.
Starting point is 00:24:25 Oh my God. I have my podcast soundboard right in front of me, Luke, that I used to do on, on my CBS sports pod. I charge it, but somebody asked me for a cameo the other day and they wanted me to regale them with all the famous sound drops from my old boxing podcast.
Starting point is 00:24:40 So I broke it out and played them live. But yeah, nobody has sound drops like Mike Tyson. If you don't like that, turn off your station. Or who can forget Luke's such classics as, I only do interviews with women if I want to came with them. Yeah, it's like, okay, okay, Mike. I think we're going to call it a day here.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Thanks. Yeah, yeah, me too. All right, Luke, it is time to get into OK Bet. We're only going to do three picks today surrounding this fight fight you are the defending champion after last week's bagel that i turned in aldana style uh are you going first or second luke um i guess i have champions advantage since you just you know absolutely in your old just did that i mean in your comma right just shit the bed. I guess I'll go first.
Starting point is 00:25:27 I guess I'll go first. Okay. Luke Thomas, this might seem like it's automatic, but first is the main event. Seriously, who wins this? But before you answer, 10 rounds. We think it's an exhibition. We don't know if there's judges involved. Like, this really is the stupidest fight ever.
Starting point is 00:25:43 You can have judges in an exhibition. It just doesn't their their result doesn't mean anything right so if you let's say for example let's say Tyson Fury goes in there and then knocks Francis down every round and wins by like some wide score margin whatever number they come to like they can do that as an exercise but none of it matters none of it matters. None of it is recorded. None of it is in any way. There's no official result. It's just the weirdest shit. If it's not malt liquor, it's not a 40.
Starting point is 00:26:13 It's just more Budweiser. We've been here before, Luke. Malt liquor and Budweiser are legitimately different things. I don't know how they put sugar in it so they can add more alcohol. I don't know why this is. Okay. Anyway, dude, Tyson. How the fuck is this even a conversation about uber drivers luke they can be good people like we don't have it wasn't about uber drivers it was about uber delivery guys and once again your
Starting point is 00:26:33 misrepresentation precedes you it was about whether or not a professional athlete uh should be engaged in stuff like that anyway the point being is dude it, it's Tyson Fury. I mean, how are we getting anything else out of this, right? Like, who is the fucking guy who's like not on Ngannou's team, not on the payroll, who's like, dude, Francis has got this. Again, we all know the fucking score here. He's got one of these. You never know. But short of that, it's just no.
Starting point is 00:27:02 Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury. I'm going to echo you on my main event pick. I will not be picking the upset for purposes of this show or continuing my streak, Luke, of picking the big upset from Charlo through Volkanovski through me coming up last in this segment. What are the vibes telling you today, Brian Campbell? I'm going to go Tyson Fury right here. Did you see that Deontay wilder picked
Starting point is 00:27:26 in ghanu by knockout your thoughts wait where where did he do that deontay wilder did it i just saw it on a video this morning on social media i just saw god i mean he's probably just doing a bit so whatever like i said here's what i'll say i mean tyson fury in all likelihood is gonna win right i would love it if Francis won. Just because it would, dude, it would cause the levels of debate on boxing and MMA Twitter. Because again, I'll just say this. In the super unlikely event that he wins, no MMA fighter has ever really kind of shut a boxer's mouth. I know Conor's like, oh, those first three rounds against Mayweather,
Starting point is 00:28:08 you know, when Mayweather was just like, you know, letting him burn himself out. That doesn't count. I'm talking about putting it on a guy. Like legitimately this guy housed the other guy. If Francis did that, huh? No James Toney versus Randy Couture? In boxing.
Starting point is 00:28:24 In boxing. In boxing. Like, you know, giving him all of the advantages. Dude, it would cause a fucking meltdown on boxing Twitter. I mean, the amount. And because it would complicate the Usyk fight. Like, there'd be any number of problems with it. Just to see that, I hope Francis wins. I hope Francis wins only only for himself but not for
Starting point is 00:28:48 how it would screw up the usic fight let me give you the updated odds from our friends at fanduel by the way fanduel has amanda serrano who will defend her featherweight titles tonight in orlando against uh danilo ramos as a bigger betting favorite than Tyson Fury is Serrano is minus 3000 On FanDuel to win Tyson Fury as of right now is Minus 2000 And plus 1080
Starting point is 00:29:14 1080 is in Ghana so we're both Going to take Fury Luke let's go To method of victory I want to know We know that we're both picking Fury So is this by knockout is this by decision dq which way you going here i have not seen what the odds are on decision and obviously right now okay i am on fan book fan dual sports books website i'm under props for this fight and i can tell you luke that for method of victory uh fury winning by
Starting point is 00:29:47 decision is plus 490 francis winning by decision is plus 5000 and if you're just talking about uh let me see will the fight go the distance here we go yes plus 470 no minus 750 all right so the likelihood of it going the distance on a 10 round bout even though that's just two less than 12 i think is exponentially higher in other words like even if you if you added two more rounds to it it would make it more unlikely but again it would make it insanely more unlikely i think the fact that you know part of what they're doing here is putting on a show that's true in fighting more generally but it's obviously amplified in contests like this but you might say well look in real fights fury has put put out didn't he put out chisora or dillian white in like six rounds in the last fight whatever it was yeah so so you might be like well
Starting point is 00:30:40 if he could put those guys out that quick how can franc Francis last? Well, he can't. I don't think if Tyson's actually boxing him like he was boxing Dillian White with genuine intent and seriousness and throwing with all of that kind of purposefulness, I don't think that Francis could last. But the question is whether or not Tyson's going to do that, especially if he feels like Francis is slow, they want to put on a show, all kinds of crazy stuff. So I don't think a decision is that crazy in Fury's favor. I want to be clear about that. But forced to make a pick about it, forced to, like, really choose,
Starting point is 00:31:16 I'm going to pick, obviously, Fury winning. I'm going to pick TKO. And I'm going to pick round seven. Mark me down. We're not at the round portion of this countdown. Sorry, I apologize. I apologize. Sorry about that.
Starting point is 00:31:28 Well, then let me ask you this permission because for purposes of the show and the betting odds, it's plus 490 for Fury to take a decision. Luke, I think I'm going to go decision, but will I still be allowed to pick a round prop in the third category? If you want, if you want, but you would have to be like right on the money, obviously. Obviously. All right, so here's what I'm going to pick a round prop in the third category if you want if you want but you would have to be like right on the money obviously obviously all right so here's what i'm gonna pick luke let's let's
Starting point is 00:31:49 spice this up a little bit i'm gonna pick a decision here this fight is weird enough and remember it doesn't matter it literally doesn't matter so that you can talk yourself into well if it doesn't matter fury could go in there and fuck around and whatever happens happens and luke in the interviews this week fury has said that as it pertains to Usyk. We heard that soundbite from the Shaq Majorey interview that he basically said, whatever happens in this fight happens, and that's what it is. But Luke, I also think we have to be smart here. The Usyk fight is two months away. I'm not sure Fury has the same leverage to delay that fight that he would normally when in this fight is like provided by the Saudi government. They're putting the money down. They have set the date.
Starting point is 00:32:31 We found out, Luke, that this fight was only announced, meaning that Usyk Fury fight before this fight against Ngannou took place because the Saudi government and the contract controlled the rights to announce it on their terms and their own situation. Bob Arum was against it. I just think that all adds up to this. I know Ngannou has a chance to gas himself out, which would lead to the idea of a knockout being a better pick for sure. I know he'll be fighting if it goes the distance, 30 minutes of action, as opposed to 25 minutes in a five round MMA fight. But we've seen this ridiculously confident, self-believing man go through hell before in many aspects of his life. I'm not making the argument here that Ngannou wins. I'm just making the argument that he survives 10 rounds. Dude, he took a beating from Stipe in that first fight over the last four rounds and just gutted that out like it was like, this is where
Starting point is 00:33:24 I got myself. I made my bed, I got to sleep in it, and we'll see what happens if I can get to a rematch. We got to the rematch, he won the championship, but everybody's talking this week in interviews, Dewey Cooper especially, about Francis being told, don't fight gone in three weeks, you have a torn MCL and PCL, and we already know what that guy did and went out there and won the fight under any means necessary.
Starting point is 00:33:44 All I'm arguing for him is to go the distance i think this is possible because this fight could be weird enough where fury tries to be a showman but let's say he can't knock and gone out and let's say in ghanu stays dangerous with at least a threat of something big coming back could that lead to fury holding to try to lean on him and tire him out right yeah it could lead to a lot of stupid mayhem and because the fight doesn't count it also could lead to fury going you know what why am i gonna push and go out of my way to force a knockout when i could just create opportunities to get knocked out this fight doesn't count let's all take the money and laugh the way home i think think it's possible here for you bettors. Plus 490 on this one going the distance.
Starting point is 00:34:26 I'm going to pick it to go the distance. Still Tyson Fury winning. Luke, our third category is round prop. You are picking Fury via round seven. So if the stoppage goes right there, you'll get the point. I'm going to go with round nine for mine. If it is going to be a stoppage, I think in the 10th round, they would let Ngannou finish on his own record if he could.
Starting point is 00:34:49 But in the ninth round, if he's exhausted and he's kind of, you know, barely holding it together, could he be stopped on his feet? It's possible here, dude. I'm going to go ninth round right there. So we'll see, Luke, how this bonus all-star weekend of OK Bet actually affects the scoreboard. Do you think i'll be in the lead come uh is that even possible yeah it's i don't even know mathematically if it's possible
Starting point is 00:35:10 i haven't i gotta look at the numbers again but what i would say is this shit is so like this weekend is so bananas that like yeah i mean it's weird right because these weekends when they announce them they're like this is the most predictable shit on earth. And then you get here and you're like, well, of course, I still pick Fury. I mean, I don't think that's really in much doubt. But like the way in which it could go for Fury, that part does seem hard to figure out. Because if he's going to play possum, is he not?
Starting point is 00:35:38 Blah, blah, blah. You know, it's a little weird. It's going to be weird. There's no question about it. Final question to you on this, Luke Thomas. True or false on my conspiracy theory? Like this is your call me crazy bonus segment is this fight essentially saturday night going uncontested what i mean is there's smaller boxing cards on the zone and espn plus on saturday night but they're they're small they're they're niche hardcore cards is this the perfect storm
Starting point is 00:36:05 for fury and ganu because disney told dana stand down don't rush out a fight night apex card don't even rush out power slap on pay-per-view like stay the fuck away let's let this guy have his moment right now or is this completely unrelated and they picked the only hole on the calendar during the stretch i don't think it's quite as easy for the UFC. This is not the same way in which they put, initially it was supposed to be Vanderlei Silva versus Brandon Vera was going to be one of the fill-in cards. It ended up being Anderson Silva versus James Irvin, for folks to remember.
Starting point is 00:36:38 The UFC had a little bit of flexibility. I mean, they have a lot of flexibility now, but they had a little bit more flexibility to kind of just come up with stuff on the fly to make it difficult for other MMA promoters. But the thing about it is, here at BC, this is not Spence Crawford. I mean, I realize that everyone understands what that might mean, but let me be specific about what that means. Spence and Crawford are just two boxing names. Francis is an MMA name, and it's airing on ESPN. They're going to want to take advantage of the MMA fans hours and times. They're going to probably not wanting anything else to get in the
Starting point is 00:37:12 way of that, at least on their own network, if they can help it. So, um, you know, they picked a good weekend and I bet that ESPN is like you doing this doesn't grow our pie. It actually makes it less do us a solid and just let people do what they're going to do with it. And so it worked out the way it worked out. Yeah, yeah, pie. Good call. Like they said in Revenge of the Nerds, Luke, hair pie? You love that line, the hair pie.
Starting point is 00:37:36 It's great. It's great. It would define my youth. I want people to know, by the way, once again, that this OK Bet segment has been brought to you by the fine people at FanDuel Sportsbook. Make every moment more with fan duel sportsbook all right general topic time luke this is like when you know you're transitioned out of isolation and put into gen pop which um anthony joshua paid for the former not the latter uh let's go to gen pop topic number one john jones speaks
Starting point is 00:38:03 just days after we find out an injury suffered in practice, a torn pectoral muscle, the tendon off the bone. John Jones will not be fighting Stipe Miocic in a few weeks at UFC 295. Here's Jones speaking for the first time on his own social media channel, uh, apologizing and explaining what's going to happen next. Hey, what's going on everybody. This is your boy, Jon Jones. Just wanted to make a quick video, let you guys know how I was doing.
Starting point is 00:38:30 First of all, thank you to all the fans. Thank you to everybody who's checked in with me to see how I was feeling. Obviously, very sad situation, very upset. But I've been through a lot of things in life, and injuries is a part of being an athlete. I want to thank the UFC for getting me into one of the best doctors in the country, Dr. Alan Trash. Thank you to Dr. Alan Trash and his staff members over here in California
Starting point is 00:38:59 for seeing me so quick. I want to say thank you to Stipe Miocic for all the work that he's put in. Also, sorry to Stipe and his team. Like I said, this comes with the territory. Thank all my coaches and training partner, everyone who's helped me get this far. Can't even say get to the fight. But the goal is to get surgery tomorrow and get back to work as soon as possible. I guess it will be Steve and I at a later date, and that's my plan.
Starting point is 00:39:33 So it will be surgery and physical therapy for me for the next several months. But I'm committed. I'm committed. And my head is high. I thank everyone who's prayed for me. And I love you all. Again, sincere apology to the fans. I know some of you guys, it was a huge commitment to get out to Madison Square Garden.
Starting point is 00:39:57 Hopefully these other heavyweights, Aspinall and Sergey, put on a great show for you guys. I may even show up to the event to watch. But I love you all, and your boy Jon Jones is doing okay. I'll be okay. Luke, your boy Jon Jones is going to be okay. My best friend, Jon Jones. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:40:21 Would you say he sounded good? Sounded good, right? I have to say all things can. Yeah, I will say that he's. First of all, I thought that was a great message. You know, how much of is the truth? Whatever. You know, hard to say at any time with anybody.
Starting point is 00:40:35 But I thought the message was nice. He was apologetic to the fans, even though, you know, he doesn't have to be. These things happen. And he already had a sling, I guess, because he was trying to hold his arm and got surgery right away and understood that people were putting their heart and money to go see him. It was a nice message. It really was. I will say something that no one's really talked about yet that if I can be serious for a moment, I do wonder about. His brother, Chandler, have you followed the story at all all i saw were the the really troubling
Starting point is 00:41:06 videos on social media the very the conspiratorial ones surrounding what josh mcdaniel's and uh josh mcdaniel the former uh the coach and uh and what was the what was the specific thing he was accusing him of um playing a role in the murder of aaron hernandez that's what it was it was something yeah related to that. It was way bizarre. He looked like he was having a mental health episode. I'm not a doctor. I have no fucking clue what the actual answer is.
Starting point is 00:41:34 But I will say that if I had a brother who, and I will say Chandler has been very visible during John's career at events in supportive roles. I think they're all pretty proud of each other, which, of course, you could imagine they would be. Anyway, if I had a brother who I had that kind of a relationship with, but was also having a very public mental health episode, that would take a toll on a person, too. I just wonder what that all means for the Jones family,
Starting point is 00:42:06 and I hope everyone's okay. Well, I think also when you tie into what Volkanovsky shared about the want and need to have something to fight for, to have something to train for. He feels he's a better person when he's in camp and dialed in on that as his sort of main focus. It brings balance to every part of his life. And I don't, you know, overlook that.
Starting point is 00:42:27 I think that's super important. That's actually the reason why I've been arguing that Jon Jones won't retire, Luke. And I wonder if I saw a little bit of that in his emotional reaction here, because I do think some, even though Jon has had troubles in and out of the cage, in and out of activity, I think out of activity i think there is something grounding to john about being active and then when he's active he has huge success and i think the whole idea of being the goat being that dude that's probably the thing that best keeps john safe yeah but the thing is this don't you remember what he said to izzy when izzy did that when
Starting point is 00:43:01 the interview came out uh with that uh that i think it's some FM station in Australia again I don't know so I might be getting some of the details wrong but basically the revelation was he's like I'm not going to come back for a long time he's actually uh in Saudi Arabia now there was a picture of all the fighters it was like Pacquiao and Hopkins and Rampage and Izzy and lots of interesting for Mirakhan Roberto Duran Jr. Luke Roberto Duran Jr. so there's a lot of fighters in that picture so he's obviously doing that kind of stuff but the point he said john in responding to the news about that was like take your time the last three years have been great for me you know he really kind of seemed to relish the opportunity to take a break um i don't know i'm not so sure that like getting right back in there is quite as transformational in a healing way as
Starting point is 00:43:43 you might imagine that would be different for somebody who's been active john has unfortunately had many breaks whether they were usada fueled three month three-year retirement fueled uh and you know stripped of the title fueled like it's been a lot of that so i think consistency will be the key for john and i'm starting to believe again luke that even though i fight the battle that we don't really know what Jon Jones is as a heavyweight yet, and I agree with that. I do think that IQ, man, and some of the technical advantages that he'll hold over most heavyweights, particularly if that Gordon Ryan interview that you did got me jazzed up to the idea of Jon leaning more on the Jujutsu, having almost like a Glover Teixeira-type extended late prime because you're focusing on fundamentals.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Maybe he does run the table at heavyweight, even with some of these scary young names rising, Luke. I think you're doing a vibes bit. That's all I can feel, Luke. That's all I can read and react to are the feels, the vibes, okay? I'm not touching. Listen, it'd be great. It'd be great.
Starting point is 00:44:44 It'd be fucking great if he tries that i just i don't think he wants it dude i don't think he wants it all right i i think you're gonna find out that you were dead wrong luke here we go let's keep it going another big name in the news it appears that conor mcgregor is confirmed it's really true in the utah usada testing pool there was a lot of talk about it actually happening but then it didn't really happen or did it. Here's a tweet from Aaron Bronstetter, who team seems to be on top of most things. USADA has updated their athlete test results.
Starting point is 00:45:12 It shows that Connor has submitted the first samples in over two years. USADA sent out a release a few weeks ago, confirming that he has re-enrolled in the program. There you go. Seems much ado about nothing, Luke, but it is official the only spin-off question i have is it him versus chandler or is it going to be something fuckery
Starting point is 00:45:33 and what i mean is you and i had talked into existence the idea of if volk had beaten mahachev could it be volk versus connor for the damn lightweight title well now you got daniel cormier on the DC and RC show. I don't know if he's doing company man bid or not saying, you know what? You want to make Mahachev a star, put him in there with Conor next, regurgitate the feud with Habib all over again. Luke, is it going to be Chandler or is it going to be something even crazier? Introducing the new McSpicy from McDonald's.
Starting point is 00:46:06 It looks like a regular chicken sandwich, but it's actually a spicy chicken sandwich. McSpicy. Consider yourself warned. Limited time only. And participate in McDonald's in Canada. It's not like the Chandler fight is not attractive. It's not true.
Starting point is 00:46:26 It is attractive. We've been over this a million times. But the MMA world moves very quickly. Now, I don't know when they're going to bring him back. It looks like we've all kind of spotlighted UFC 300. I think BCL will say this. If nothing else gets in the way between now and whenever they're beginning to start making announcements about 300 he probably does fight Chandler but what I will say is if either he or
Starting point is 00:46:53 Chandler get injured in that process and they have to delay it again they're gonna punt they're gonna punt after that that's my prediction okay what about curveballs the one thing was what dc said mahachev versus connor which really would be the i mean it'd be an insanely undeserved title shot but it really would be the way that you get a guy to that next level of star power for mahachev how about instead of that let's not do that Are there other ideas that could trump the need for Chandler fight? I'll throw out two of them. Rematch of Conor versus Max Holloway, just for big time star power, exciting fight fun,
Starting point is 00:47:33 or number two, Luke, how about BMF versus Justin Gaethje, and then we'll allow Oliveira back into the Mahachev sweepstakes for that rematch. You do the BMF title fight at 300, giving Conor McGregor a chance to win a different championship. You wouldn't have to cut crazy way. It could just be balls out fight. If he wins,
Starting point is 00:47:55 that's a shot in the arm to his popularity. If he loses. Yeah. Who cares, man? Right. I think that's a great idea. That's a great idea.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Yeah. You could absolutely do that. Remember, he's already had the lightweight title, right? In fairness, he's already had the lightweight title. The one belt he doesn't have, in terms of people around this size or weight class, is going to be the BMF belt. He doesn't have that. And if he won it, dude,
Starting point is 00:48:21 then you can do him versus Diaz III for the bmf belt or him versus porie four for that same bell such a great point such so many older action stars right now you're so right you're dude you're so fucking right that's a great point i don't have much to add to that except two thumbs up and honestly would you hate that which seriously who the fuck would get a fight between, for the BMF belt no less, between Conor and Justin Gaethje and be like, no, I don't want that. Are you out of your fucking mind? That's arguably, even without the, you know, however much the belt adds is up to you. But forget all that for just a second. You could make a very clear case.
Starting point is 00:49:00 Listen, Conor versus Chandler, nothing bad about it. But you could make a case that Conor versus Gaethje, because Gaethje will talk shit too. He's not going to back down from Conor versus Chandler, it's nothing bad about it. But you could make a case that Conor versus Gaethje, because Gaethje will talk shit too. He's not going to back down from Conor, you know, and not be like all buddy and chummy at the presser and whatnot. Plus, he's going to get pay-per-view points. He'll get a big paycheck. And less likely to shoot, Luke.
Starting point is 00:49:17 Less likely to shoot. A lot less likely to shoot. Dude, that might even be a better fucking fight, honestly. We'll see. We will fucking see. I've got future promoter matchmaker status just lingering over my head. Also, like, asshole and, you know, white belt knowledge fan and all these other insults that you don't share with the public because you're such a nice guy and I appreciate that. Oh, I didn't say I was a nice guy.
Starting point is 00:49:41 I didn't say that. Okay. I'm just not quite as, like, specifically antagonistic as you are. All right. Well, while we don't know if Gaethje would go for that idea against Conor, although I think he would, Gaethje talked to ESPN's, I think, Mark Raimondi, and he has an idea of what he wants next, Luke, and that's a shot at the real one.
Starting point is 00:50:00 Here's the quote. Who do I fight? There's no one. I did what I had to do. I don't know what else I need to do. If they want put olivera in there then i fight him in september or next october i have no issues waiting again as i get older i he was basically saying if they put olivera back in against macho then gaethje would wait he says again as i get older i get to understand from now until the time i'm going to fight i'm going to be building strength i'm going to be working
Starting point is 00:50:24 on my cardio i'm going to be refining my skills. So I'll take as much time as they give me and I'll, I'll be that much, so much more ready and quote, sorry for the, uh, stumbling bumbling there. Uh, so Luke, he's saying no matter what, he's going to wait for Islam. Who should be next Islam or Charles for matcha or I'm sorry Macho? I will tell you, this process would not be fair to Chandler, and I really don't know what you would do about that. But if they gave the fight to Chucky Olives to get the rematch against Islam, and then, per your idea, just give Gaethje to Conor. There you go.
Starting point is 00:51:04 There you go there you go i mean i also wouldn't hate by the way a gaethje chandler rematch wouldn't hate it luke wouldn't hate it i don't think gaethje wants that though right he didn't seem he didn't seem all that buzzed about it did he no no he didn't uh do you think we'll ever get not next but do you think we'll ever get a Poirier trilogy? Is that necessary? I saw people asking about that. I don't detect a ton of buzz about that. Do you? I don't because I think it was shocking that he finished Poirier so coldly.
Starting point is 00:51:39 Right. And it was like, oh, shit. And relatively quickly. Relatively quickly. So, like, there's just not... We all... It was a great fight and a tremendous finish. And remember, it was the same day for folks... You know, it was the same day as Spence Crawford.
Starting point is 00:51:55 We all thought that... That fight was going to be a knockdown dragout. And it was a good first round, but nothing, like, super crazy. And then he basically polished him off in the next round, believe something like that maybe the third round at most i can't remember exactly uh but it wasn't the knockdown drag out we had expected and so for that reason it just kind of looks like justin is off to doing his own thing now and i think quite understandably i wouldn't hate it but there's just not a lot of market demand that i can detect i hear you i'm with
Starting point is 00:52:26 you on that one uh luke let's keep it going right here and close with this topic uh it's not yet i also didn't shower yesterday luke i think i showered the day before i know i didn't shower the day before that i've got a new working rule for working at home. And by new, I mean, I've been operating under it now since 2017. If I have to go somewhere where I guarantee to talk to people, I will shower, deodorant, toothbrush, all that Luke. If it's lunch out with my wife, I'll do that as well. If it's anything else, Luke, I'm going sweatpants, slides. I'm really just going into full-on POS mode at all times. I mean, what else? Look, I'm sitting here in pajama pants trying to create dick jokes on the fly.
Starting point is 00:53:11 Dude, your underwear by the time you shower must be... Well, I do try to stick to the code of if you're going to be gross, at least change your drawers every day and at least give yourself like a like a cologne shower every once in a while right or like get it you know what i got the gold bomb luke i get the giant gold bomb you know you get a two handfuls of gold bomb and you know you're you know wow you're fine by the way dude this is true when we were we would do like uh we would do these uh marine
Starting point is 00:53:42 corps exercises in the field where you know you would be in the field for weeks at a time. You wouldn't shower for weeks. Oh, that's awful. Yeah, you'd have to shower with wet wipes. You would just shower with wet wipes. That was the only thing that you had. There was nothing you could do. By the time we got back, dude, my underwear would absolutely smell like it was gangbanged by 50 homeless guys.
Starting point is 00:54:04 I mean, it was the worst that's that's bad imagery right there luke very bad imagery it was the worst smelling underwear you've ever seen you know yeah yeah i've seen a few luke that's pretty gross all right so here's the deal luke coming off of that stink bomb of a double header misfits the zone pay-per-view a couple weeks back. Dylan Danis, KSI, you know the players involved. I think we're correct when we say this larger bubble of influencer crossover boxing is bursting. Even Jake Paul seems to not be interested in, you know, boxing Nate Diaz again wants to go into the MMA route now.
Starting point is 00:54:40 I kind of feel like Logan is going to end up there as well, but we'll see what happens there. It does seem like, though, Luke, a lot of the retired real fighters are still trying to find work in somewhat of this extended space. So let me read you the latest headlines. Jorge Masvidal talked to ESPN. He said, quote, early next
Starting point is 00:54:58 year, he's teasing a boxing return. He said, no names right now, but I can tell you it's early next year, and I can tell you somebody is going to get killed. Wow, he really said that. End quote. Also, you have Luke Rockhold talking with the Schmo, although Luke, though, does want to focus on the influencer lane. And he said, I'd like to shut down the influencers. That sounds nice. That sounds more interesting. I don't see anybody who can beat me in that organization. I don't see one person. I guess if you're going to go full shame, Luke Rockhold, after quitting against Mike Perry, you probably have to go this way, Luke.
Starting point is 00:55:31 But you also shared a really cool headline with me that Karate Combat is going after name UFC veterans and is going to have an Anthony Pettis versus Benson Henderson main event and the threat of signing future big names. Like, like, uh, that's a good one. Silent sniper. Yeah. BC equals barely clean. Well done. Look, they want Jose Aldo. They basically want all the names that that showed up on that game bread boxing card, right? Like Jeremy Stevens, all those guys. So here's what I'm trying to ask you.
Starting point is 00:56:04 If the bubble is bursting from influencers paul brothers and a lot of like the the fringe bullshit of the larger boxing bubble is there a bubble still that could interest you of just exactly what you're seeing here retired ufc names whether it be bkfc whether it be karate combat just continually fighting each other in creative ideas here let me let me spin it back if i may to the premise of the question a little bit here yes because the way you asked it to me was like hey this bubble might be bursting and i think certainly this market is hard to decipher i i understand that i'm not declaring to you it's in great shape but But I guess what I
Starting point is 00:56:45 would say is, what makes you so confident or whatever your level of confidence might be, what powers that? Because the whole part about the story you're telling is, look at how enthusiastically other people wish to join the market. I mean, it's not like people are running from the market. They're running to it. So what if there's a sea change inside the bubble then? What if the change is, look, this over-promising bullshit and then the fight isn't actually a fight, that's not going to last. But is seeing, I mean, like I watched that Game Bread boxing card, Luke. It was interesting.
Starting point is 00:57:21 It really was. I'm serious. Like Aldo versus Stevens in a boxing match wasn't the highest level boxing match ever but it was competitive and kind of interesting it's basically like a better version of jake paul versus an ex-mma fighter you know what i'm saying like so yes i'm wondering if there's a pivot within the bubble because i think that's a smart move by karate combat to try to bring eyes over to their unique you know niche combat offering of standing striking and and i like their sort of open ring setup ken shamrock's using a very similar one for his bare knuckle thing with no ropes or no cage walls just you know wide open
Starting point is 00:57:56 like that um i think there's still life in the bubble if you know what you're getting if i sign up for jose aldo versus other big mma name in some form of a fight i know it's not going to be five star elite because these guys aren't in their primes but it's going to be interesting and it's going to be a fight right so yes and no but it brings you it brings you back to the situation that bellator found itself in circa you know 2016 or whatever, 2017, whenever it was, when they were having like the Chails and the Vanderleys and, you know, Rampage and even to an extent Fedor. Fedor's a little bit different because he's really one of the special guys in history, but even kind of he was participating in some of these like, what the fuck are we doing
Starting point is 00:58:36 fights? And then Chail versus Tito sort of being, you know, like an apex example of just weirdness that comes with all of that. Listen, what does it provide? It provides a shot in the arm for the event that you're watching. People will be more tuned in than they ordinarily might be if you're just featuring your either Karate Kombat or whatever event's native talent. You bring these people onto the cards,
Starting point is 00:59:00 these sort of aging vets, to get more people to watch. And it does have a short-term effect where it works, but there's two major problems. One, these guys are expensive, right? I mean, they're not as expensive as they once were, but they're not as cheap as up-and-coming talent who are very, very good, who your organization might want to feature. That's one problem. And the second problem is the fights are of dubious quality. But the real, real problem, if I could say this, is that it doesn't translate to long-term
Starting point is 00:59:26 benefit to your organization. We have seen this over and over. It's not to say that there's no case for doing it time to time, but any promoter who relies on aging vets to then, oh, people will be more tuned in. They're going to see our regular people. What ends up happening is that, yes, more people get seen in the process, but it doesn't ultimately work to convert a ton of fans in the end it's got a real sugar high kind of effect not long-term effect and so you know they're just kind of reinventing the wheel here a little bit but i don't know if they're substantively changing the market any kind of new or frankly unforeseen way i wish there was a little more organization in this space i wish there was you know even if it this space. I wish there was, you know,
Starting point is 01:00:05 even if it was BKFC, even though that's not my favorite discipline within this sort of idea of old guys who still have something to give finding competitive ways. Like I like Mike Perry versus Eddie Alvarez, but there's too many promoters and ideas that this space is open to. Now that creates an open market where if any promoter can you know get some investment money like bkfc is done and they've joined with you know what's left of triller and there's so there's more money seemingly coming in that you know you want to be you want to see these guys be able to go to the highest bidder and get a big opportunity to make it worth it especially if they felt they were underpaid in the ufc there's sort of that like
Starting point is 01:00:42 feel good part of watching them use whatever's left of their brain, you know, in potentially damaging situations. But, hey, they still got something left. Let's give them a chance. But, Luke, I wish there was one dominant promoter or discipline that would unify just so there could be organization, so there could be some method to it so like you know you could put an old guy title at place or whether it's retired ufc guys boxing you know there could be that like just so you have something to sort of fight for and storylines and opponents to build around rather than just like who's the promoter for this week's bs wannabe fight right you know what i mean i wish you could pull their powers is what i'm saying yeah i get that i get that i think that's reasonable i would just say I would just take issue with one thing you mentioned
Starting point is 01:01:27 Mike Perry's 32 you know Eddie is an aging vet I don't think that's in any way insulting but Mike Perry's right in the prime so him kind of competing in the way that he is still makes those fights a little bit more you know relative to the rest of the like the bare knuckle pack for example a Mike Perry fight I mean this is a this is a in prime combat athlete, I think is a good way to put that. And so for that reason, I wouldn't like, I know he's past being in the UFC, but he's not athletically past it in the way that some of these other guys might be. Would you have any care in like, cause I'm trying to think, okay, Masvidal comes out and says that, but what does that mean? What fight could he actually get? Right. If he's not, I mean, you know, maybe, maybe a Jake Paul, but I don't think, I don't know, maybe, but like, would, is there any market outside of the Paul brother industry? What if it was Masvidal versus Nate in a boxing match? Like, do you even care Luke or no? Like Masvidal versus Nate boxing?
Starting point is 01:02:22 Yeah. Would it have to be on a larger card with other fights of that level? Like, not be its own thing that we're focusing on? Again, guys, it's just going to be, you know, hey, let's watch two MMA fighters who were very good MMA fighters in their prime, very, very good MMA fighters in their prime, do something that they're not nearly as good at post-prime. What the fuck is the allure?
Starting point is 01:02:42 I just, it's not... To watch them still compete, Luke. To watch them... It's like big three for pro you know for pro basketball right again there's a market for it there is there there is something to that i just you know you have to get the people who are jorge diehards or nate diehards and there's there's many of them you can do something with it but also dude jorge versus nate and boxing would be expensive it'd be very expensive like that's another good thing to sell yeah i don't even know how how how masvidal afforded that card that had all those names on it luke i don't know how that's
Starting point is 01:03:13 automatic monster loss right but maybe i don't know i'm not whoever's funding it really luke maybe they have cash to burn or maybe other things hey Hey, Luke, let's transition out of that though and get into the first time ever. This is a soft beta launch emphasis on beta for us game that we're going to call stupid jeopardy that our great producer, Mikey Moore mile and some of our extended staff at CBS sports put together four categories, jeopardy style, only stupid jeopardy style, only stupid Jeopardy style. Three questions per category.
Starting point is 01:03:48 The board will offer questions ranging in 100, 200, and 300 points. Luke, we will take turns being in control of the board and being asked a question. But if we don't get it right, the other person can steal it and steal the points. Now, Luke, I have offered off camera. And damn, did you shoot this great idea down that I said something's got to be on the line here? So I said, look, if I win, I get to pick who you have to interview with like built in like safeguards. Like it's got to be 15 minutes long. You have to ask this amount of questions on these categories.
Starting point is 01:04:24 Like I imagine if I win and I'm like Luke has to interview David Appleton over Zoom. minutes long you have to ask this amount of questions on these categories like i luke imagine if i win and i'm like luke has to interview david appleton over zoom i think our fans would pop for that shit luke i think yeah i'm not i'm not doing that so there you go or i'm like you know if the fans vote for it and they want you know luke and average joe arts old aging dog to talk for 10 minutes luke i can arrange that as well okay i think that listen we're already putting our asses on the line for okay bet can we just do games for fun for once i like i like luke i'm such a competitor that i like there to be something at stake right something not always what am i winning sometimes it's just what am i protecting you know what i'm
Starting point is 01:05:00 saying what am i playing defense on you apparently man you're just not man enough to put a little skin on the line here. I just don't understand why we can't just have fun. We're already doing a game where the loser has to eat shit. We have to do another game where the loser has to eat shit? I'm not interested in that. I think it creates content, Luke, and content is king, right? We can create content without having to do that that's the whole that's the that's the beauty of this we already listen if we didn't
Starting point is 01:05:29 have okay bet and we you wanted something on the line i think it'd be fair but we already have that let's have some fun it's is there any chance your favorite coldplay song is yellow i took a girl who was interested in me once to a Coldplay concert, and she loved that song, but it just didn't work out. So I don't, yeah. Look, did you see what 2 Chainz said on the screen? No, what did he say? Loser takes a shower.
Starting point is 01:05:58 Oh, that's so good. It's so good. Winner has to brush his teeth his teeth loser has to shower his ass i don't know if we have an intro graphic luke but for the first time ever this one's called stupid jeopardy all right let's look at the four categories brought to us by mikey and staff MFF MMA trivia name that quote who is this fighter and miscellaneous madness Luke how do we decide who goes first um does does anyone have a coin we can flip I have the UFC 196 room key Dos Anjos versus McGregor do you you want me to flip that, Luke? Yeah, flip that.
Starting point is 01:06:47 Well, you got to call it first. Who are you going to pick? I'm going to take faces side. You're going to take white side, Luke, okay? This is a very, like the game itself, this process, also stupid. Okay, I'll try to flip it onto the shelf right here, Luke, so that we can see, all right? All right.
Starting point is 01:07:09 Yeah! right here luke so that we can see all right all right yeah it came up white side in hashtag kill whitey go for it luke all right let me see the board uh i'm gonna play the uh god who was that guy from vegas who like upended everything give me name that quote for 300 all right mikey is going to provide the question in our live chat here and i'm going to read it to you luke and don't forget i can steal if you get it wrong mikey we are waiting there we go here we go luke question number one for 300 the only thing i fear when i enter the ring is that someone will steal my things from the locker room end quote so apparently luke you have to name that quote here the only thing i fear when i enter the ring is that someone will steal my things from the locker room end quote i'm gonna go ronda rousey
Starting point is 01:08:00 oh incorrect luke i'm gonna try to steal. How about Conor McGregor? Oh, there we go, Luke. And your correct answer is? Mirko Crow Cop. I would have not gotten that. Luke, that was miscellaneous you named off, right? No, that was name that quote. Name that quote for 300.
Starting point is 01:08:22 All right, I take control of the board. Let's go MMA trivia for 100. All right, here we go. We're waiting. Yeah, a little faster on the connection here. Here we go. Okay, here we go, BC. Khabib Nurmagomedov and Tony Ferguson were famous rivals
Starting point is 01:08:41 who never officially met in the octagon. How many times was the fight officially booked only for it to fall apart five times five times five times five times luke yeah all right all right very good five times all right it's still but we're alternating so it's now my turn yes hey hey appy get up in the bullpen, brother, okay? Look at this, 100 to 0, Luke. Yeah, BC, it doesn't matter how bad I lose, I'm not interviewing that psychopath. All right, how about this?
Starting point is 01:09:12 How about if I win, I'll interview Appy for a set of... If you want, if you want. All right, let me see the board one more time, if I may. Okay, let's try, who is this fighter for 200? Who is this fighter for 200? Let's see what we can come up with. BC will ask me the question. All right, BC.
Starting point is 01:09:38 This fighter was considered a major what-if to fans in the late 2000s, but after just two chances in the UFC he was inactive for five years before reappearing with Bellator MMA in 2015 just two chances in UFC he was inactive for five years before reappearing with Bellator MMA in 2015 fuck me um category is who is this fighter
Starting point is 01:10:15 for 200 points okay so at first I was going to say David Terrell but that's not right um you know what I think majority rules if Mikey votes that you should have to interview Appy if you lose I was going to say David Terrell, but that's not right. You know what? I think majority rules, if Mikey votes that you should have to interview Appy if you lose, then that's two to one.
Starting point is 01:10:30 I didn't agree to this. I'm not changing the rules now. I'm going to just fuck, dude. Kimbo Slice? I don't know. Damn. Yeah! There we go.
Starting point is 01:10:43 You got it. I was going to steal that. That's 200 for Luke Thomas, putting him in the lead. All right, let's keep it going. I'm going to go with MMA trivia for 200. All right, MMA trivia for 200. I mean, by the way, this category is like not great because all of it is MMA trivia.
Starting point is 01:11:02 All right, here we go, BC. Who was the first ufc middleweight champion the first ufc middleweight champion okay if he gets it wrong i want to try to steal by the way yeah that's every question yeah not if i don't know the answer it's not man i got three guesses and one of them is the right answer i'm gonna go with um morillo bustamente you mean morillo bustamante no it's not him i'm gonna go frank shamrock fuck who is it evan tanner dave minet oh that was my are we talking about before or that must be after they created like the middleweight then light heavyweight division right is that what
Starting point is 01:11:53 we're talking about because i think frank was a middleweight champion before that all sales are final i'm being told all right okay luke all right uh my turn to pick yes yes you're leading 200 to 100 in this struggling game at the moment but i'm gonna name that quote 100 name that quote 100 nice and easy here we go nice and easy for 100 the quote is now we are throwing spinning shit uh it's got to be nick diaz nick diaz yeah there we go all right luke thomas go go in front in front uh let's go to mma trivia for 300 i think this will put me right back where i need to be all right bc is going for the big guns i like big ones and i cannot lie luke all right here we go the ufc has been around the world and then some but there are six countries they have only visited once name two
Starting point is 01:12:54 six countries they have only visited once that's a very interesting question japan no like fucking no they've been to japan several times i thought they were just one time there luke but uh apparently i'm wrong there all right then you know i might as well take the l here luke on this all right let me try let me try you can steal luke can still steal here. All right, I'm going to try. Uruguay. Okay. And they've only been to once. Croatia. Oh, wow. Look at this guy.
Starting point is 01:13:38 Yeah. So Uruguay was the Valentina Shevchenko fight, and I remember they went to Croatia because Derek Lewis fought on that card, and I interviewed him about flying to Croatia, and he talked about how he had to fly to go see more white people it was it was pretty great actually so Luke you stole that point which means you actually have control of the board and you're leading 600 to 100 which actually only angers me Luke that you were so unwilling to make this even more fun by putting legitimate steaks on the barbecue okay name that quote 200 please name that quote 200 the quote is if tyson griffin was a girl i'd say he has a badonkadonk but donk-a-donk. I'm going to...
Starting point is 01:14:34 I'm going to say Rampage Jackson. Fuck. How about Uriah Faber? Who is it? Who is it? Who is it? Joe Rogan? Actually, I know that sound. I know that quote now.
Starting point is 01:14:52 You're right. I can't believe in the moment. I had no idea, but I do know that quote. All right, Luke. It goes back to me, 600 to 100. I will go with, who is this fighter for 300? I need to bang. I need to start banging.
Starting point is 01:15:10 All right, BC. This fighter brought the heat with a unique judo-based attack compiling an 8-4 UFC record, but between a failed drug test and issues with Dana White following pulling out. This was Armenian-American great Karo the Heat Parisian. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. And bonus points, not really, I'm just asking you,
Starting point is 01:15:31 who's his head trainer for a long time? Edmund Tarverdian. No, Gokor Chevichian. Well, I think we're both right. I'm not even sure which ones we have left. Do we have any 300s left, Mikey? As we talked about about we've been keeping track in the rundown we have
Starting point is 01:15:48 miscellaneous madness remaining for 300 okay give me miscellaneous madness for two miscellaneous madness for two here we go Brian is going five rounds with a black liver and losing but joey chestnut downed a record how many hot dogs in 10 minutes this is a multiple, B, 76, C, 81, or D, 90? What is Joey Chestnut's world record here for the hot dog eating challenge?
Starting point is 01:16:36 So Joey Chestnut is an absolutely disgusting and abhorrent man who just gets bukkake'd by hot dogs several times a year. I'm going to say it's either going to be B or C, so let me say I'm going to go B, 76. Yeah! That's a big get. That's a big get, Luke Thomas. That makes the scoreboard now.
Starting point is 01:17:00 800 for Luke, 400 for BC, four questions remaining, and the control of the board goes back to me. Let's go name that quote for 200. No, doesn't it? Oh, yeah, you're right. It does. Go back. I'm sorry. Yes, yes, yes. Name that quote for 200. Alright, name that quote for 200. I will read you the quote, Brian, and you will try to give me
Starting point is 01:17:20 the answer. Oh, we already did that one. Alright, so you have to pick another one. Mikey, is there any other name that quotes? I have that category closed. No, it's just me the answer here we oh we already did that one all right so you have to pick another one uh mikey is there any other name that quotes i have that category no it's just who is this fighter a miscellaneous madness okay let's go who is this fighter for 100 all right who is this this should be doable let's see what we got and we're gonna answer here i'll read it to you which fighter has the most knockouts in UFC history? Derek Lewis. Wow.
Starting point is 01:17:54 Great job. Great job. All right. Miscellaneous madness. I'm going to go strategically. I'm going to go 100 here. Here we go. miscellaneous madness all right bc okay luke this curly fry was found by kim medford in february of 2012 at an arby's and is the world's largest curly fry. Was it A, 13 inches long, B, 38 inches long, C, 30 centimeters long, or D, 24 inches long? Yeah, but these are some long ass...
Starting point is 01:18:38 Curly fries. Curly fries. You know what would go great with these in a Jamocha shake, Luke? And then also just absolute regret. I don't know why this is 100. Whip it is the answer. Whip it, Luke. The world's largest curly fry.
Starting point is 01:18:54 I'm just going to go with what I think is the appropriate answer. I'm going to go D, 24 inches long. Yes. Okay. So I have a chance to steal this and then get the next question right to come from behind Luke and just hold the hand up up here, up in the air and just walk
Starting point is 01:19:15 off. Here we go. I have three remaining answers. I'm going to go with 13 inches long. But if it curls, I i'm gonna go with instead c 30 no no sorry b 38 inches long b 38 inches long oh yeah i should have just picked the longest one these are fucking stupid these this welcome to stupid jeopardy ladies and gentlemen one question remaining in stupid jeopardy luke this will essentially is this final jeopardy right here i mean this is it this is final jeopardy so if you
Starting point is 01:19:49 if i get this right i win if you get it right you win if we both get it wrong first it's my control the board on miscellaneous madness but if we both get it wrong i win so there you go it's true 800 to 600 and this is worth 300. Here's where BC walks off. Go ahead, Michael. Hello, Brian and Luke. You already know who the fuhook it is. You think it's so funny to insult my intelligence, but one of you didn't graduate college. My calculations say if Brian ate one less gas station hot dog per day in college,
Starting point is 01:20:21 his brain wouldn't have turned into a bag of strawweight mush. As for the other co-host, how about you drop the vape and pick up Rosetta Stone. It's Adesoyna yeah. But that's neither here nor there. Question 3. Which former UFC fighter won the 2021 light heavyweight tournament for his first major MMA championship before joining the cast of Big Brother Brazil in 2023? Smart Cage out. What the fuck was the question? Okay, first of all, who made that?
Starting point is 01:20:51 This former UFC fighter won the 2021 light heavyweight tournament for his first major MMA championship before joining the cast of Big Brother Brazil in 2023. First, can we comment on that video, Luke? Who made that? I don't know, but it was excellent. And the Smart Cage really, he roasted you there, if I can just be honest. Wow, Smart Cage just brought it to me. All right, so this is for me to win it here.
Starting point is 01:21:15 The former UFC fighter won the 2021 Light Heavyweight Tournament for his first major MMA championship. Before joining the cast. Of Big Brother Brazil. In 2023. Clock's ticking. Ryan Bader't i don't have a freaking clue ryan bader well i'm trying to think like now i've officially won the game but let me try to steal bader won the heavyweight tournament yeah yeah also like why would this former ufc fighter in 2021 uh like why would ryan bader be on the cast of Big Brother Brazil? I don't quite get that.
Starting point is 01:22:09 Luke, I couldn't find the Brazilian fighter that would meet that criteria, so I tried to match up the other elements. I'm not sure either, but I'm going to say... Damn. I'm going to say... Shogun Hua. No.
Starting point is 01:22:26 Antonio Shoeface Antonio Shoeface. Oh, we weren't even thinking. Luke, it was the damn smart cage that asked the question. We didn't even consider PFL. We talked all that shit about the smart cage, and then the smart cage outsmarted us. The answer was right there. This would not be his first major championship.
Starting point is 01:22:43 He already won several major championships. But the real question was, who won the pfl light heavyweight tournament in 2021 that's the real question but then they added these extra bonus hints about former ufc about big brother brazil and yet i come out with ryan bader wow luke i deserve to lose your final score and that was the jones versus robert whittaker of answers there, I really have to say. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Luke, some people did think that it should be Whitaker-Stipe
Starting point is 01:23:11 at UFC 295 based on your matchmaking history. But shoe face, screw face. So, Luke, you win 800 to 600, your final score in our beta launch of Stupid Jeopardy. Please, folks, let us know how stupid it was. Could it be improved? What should we call it? And will Luke ever have the man sauce necessary to, you know,
Starting point is 01:23:35 put part of his reputation and dignity at risk? At least part of it. At least part of it. I think we put our dignity at risk every time we go live, if I can just be honest with you. At least our job, yeah, a lot more than our dignity yeah you're right all right that is that thank you to mikey morms for i like that game that was fun i did like that game as well uh let's add it to the larger rotation we got another game we play to close every friday because we give you this email address morning combat at gmail.com and the same guy mikey he's
Starting point is 01:24:04 waiting for we don't see these emails but we do give you a chance if you hate us or you just hate something we said you get a chance to call us out look what's that called when you receive papers that tell you you need to be in court you've been served yeah yeah all right there go. But you better bring receipts, folks. This one's called Dead Row. I think, Luke, there's a more proper name for that. What's it called when you get served with papers? You're getting served papers. I don't think there's another term for it.
Starting point is 01:24:40 No, no, there's a word, Luke. It's like you love fancy words. Look, you spent your life protecting certain fancy words that you can inject in the conversation. Once again, they're not fancy words. They're actually different words that describe things in more nuanced ways, and people who are dull and mentally have had lobotomies don't seem to understand that they're not substitutes necessarily.
Starting point is 01:25:02 They're actually just sort of nuanced. I think you mean indicting, but being served papers is not the same as being not indicting there's another there's another word look we've probably got you know what i think we i know we have a good amount of lawyers in our crowd in our audience we do yes and i'd have to assume we do have a lot of people with checkered paths as well luke and by the way some guy did reach out to me. Oh, I wish I kept the DM. He said that he was jailed for 25 days a couple of years ago. And one of the biggest laments that he had during that sentencing, I think it was related to to drinking and driving. But I think that's what the guy said. But anyway, Luke, the hardest part, he said, one of the biggest laments was not getting MK access during that 25 days.
Starting point is 01:25:42 So I want I want him to know that that like all the divorced moms out there you've you know you've got a friend in in morning combat and um you know luke we can help our fans and listeners get through everything because we're all in this together luke whether you're sleeping you know behind bars or you know or whether you're sliding down them look right you know what i'm saying yeah all right mk cares if don't nobody also if it's gotten to the point where you're in jail from drunk driving you probably you probably need to be in there you know you probably need to be well look you've got to give people a chance to right their own wrongs okay well see here's the thing a buddy of mine got charged with dui and was found guilty but all they made him do was go to jail. Like, I mean, you go to jail, but then they made it when they sentenced him, they made him go to jail on the weekend. You know what I mean? But if you went to jail for 25 days, you probably deserve to be there for 25 days. You know what I'm saying? I don't think this man was fighting that either. I think he was just helping our conversation, Luke. All right.
Starting point is 01:26:45 Letting us know that we meant something to him, Luke. All right? Oh, no, I appreciate that. I'm just saying, don't be a fuck-up. Don't be a fuck-up. Yeah, no, Uncle Luke, that's a good toss out there, too. All right, number one comes to us from Donovan. He lives in the state of, I think, Washington.
Starting point is 01:26:59 Unless he forgot to put the D.C. down. He says, hello, happy Friday. This is for Luke. Recently, Luke said he says hello happy friday this is for luke recently luke said he was going to go as michael myers for halloween and stated he had everything ready for it they're gonna say jason vorhees i knew it they were gonna say jason vorhees including the machete dead wrong it's jason vorhees from friday the 13th that used the machete yes while michael used a knife keep up the good work do you want to do By the way, Michael used a lot of things, but do you want to know why I ended up going with the Jason Voorhees
Starting point is 01:27:28 but calling it Michael Myers? This is a true story. You want to hear it? I do. So I took, remember I told you I took Tukey to the Halloween store, right? So I took her to the Halloween store. Which is bad for her to begin with, Luke. She's going to get scarred from the-
Starting point is 01:27:43 Oh, no, she loved it. Are you kidding? She had the time of her life at that place. Because this store has everything. It has all the trolls and Ninja Turtles and Mario Brothers and then all the scary shit and everything else. So I go there and I was like, I want your best Michael Myers mask. They're like, okay.
Starting point is 01:27:57 And they pulled it down. It was like 70 bucks. It was really nice. And it couldn't fit on my fucking head. It literally could. I couldn't get it over my giant melon. So I was like, okay, give me your cheapest, shittiest Michael Myers mask. That also did not fit.
Starting point is 01:28:12 So then what I, but I already had the jumpsuit. I got the Michael Myers jumpsuit. So then I was like, okay, what do you have that fits the cranium of people whose mothers drank when they were in the womb? What do you have for that? Oh, my God. Luke, that's an aggressive joke right there. Well, my head my head i mean i can barely keep it upright you know it's just fucking enormous the only thing they had was the hockey mask so i had already told violetta i'm like oh i'm getting the michael myers thing she didn't know what it was but i kept saying michael myers and then she asked me at the cash register she's
Starting point is 01:28:43 like did you get your michael myers costume i was like yes yes I did I got the Michael because I'm not going to show her Michael Halloween or Jason Voorhees but they're right it's a Jason Voorhees thing but it only ended up being that way because my fucking head is too big there you go wow that's a very uh thank you for sharing a a tough subject Luke, to speak about. I also come from a family of very large noggins, Luke. I like to think that's because we hold a lot of useless information up there. But I mean, I got a weird shaped head, Luke. Most hats don't fit on me.
Starting point is 01:29:21 That's why I wear this one love hat, Luke, because it's so oddly shaped that it holds my all my insides in. Oh, look at that. DC baseball. I like that luke that's better than your fred durst fake yankees colored hat that you rolled out that one time what does that say oh there's the flag of dc yes uh this is before the wizard this is before the gnats went with the curly w which i cannot stand they had the dc logo it's discontinued and it's got the flag on it so So I bought it. You don't like the tribute to the Washington senators with that.
Starting point is 01:29:49 What? With that W no, I don't give a shit. I want the DC. I know what I cannot overstate this. Not a person who lives here calls it Washington, not a person. It doesn't.
Starting point is 01:29:59 It's not what you call this place. What do they call it? The district Luke, the district you call. Everyone calls it DC. Everybody everybody everybody calls it dc and no one in in connecticut would ever say new york city or manhattan luke they would say the city and you would never question what city they were talking about i know everyone that lives near a city thinks that they say that about their city but really you can only say that about new york city when you say the city the first thing you think of is new york luke there's no other cities that fit that i would i i don't yeah i
Starting point is 01:30:30 think i think that's probably true i just get really sick of everyone being like yeah we're gonna go to washington nobody calls it that nobody nobody calls it i don't think living in dc is sustainable with the prices the high crime and the uh treatment of the service workers from a joyful comedic standpoint luke you know what i mean i don't think i think it's great to vacation and visit to or or whatever go somewhere for but um i i think you should move out of there before it kills everybody for some reason wants me to leave even though they never really give me a great reason it is expensive and the crime has gotten bad, although that's relatively new. That wasn't the case as early as a few years ago.
Starting point is 01:31:08 I mean, you just lost your car, Luke, so we're not hearing any of these, like, oh, the crime's fine. No, no, no, listen to me. The crime's up. Crime's up. There's no denying it. Like, crime is up. But what I'm telling you is I've been here.
Starting point is 01:31:18 I moved back here after, you know, I grew up here as a kid. Moved back here in 2004. This is the worst it's been since 2004 by a long shot. Like it wasn't like that the full time I was here. It's just bad now. Okay, but would you agree, although it's an insult aimed directly at you, that D.C. isn't a city as much as it's a large fraternity?
Starting point is 01:31:38 And that's why you love it, Luke. There is a core of people here who kind of are like that, but none of my friends are in that well one friend is in that circle but i'm not really in that i don't i don't exist in that circle i don't go to georgetown cocktail parties i'm not involved in like hill east soccer teams i'm not i don't do any of that shit i live amongst the actual i know it's hard to understand there's like people who live here and spend their lives here that have nothing to do with the hill but i'm one of them and all of my friends are just like that so yeah i mean that's what real las vegans say luke about you know anytime you're
Starting point is 01:32:14 like well how do you live there it's gotta be crazy and they're like we don't go to the strip ever we actually have a yeah i know but las vegas one of the least walkable cities in america with terrible education like yeah it's not a flex. Those are true. There's true facts associated with that. There's no question. All right, let's continue the dead wrong. This one's from Timmy Poo,
Starting point is 01:32:32 and a lot of people wrote in with the same complaint. B.C., you no-good New England sack of rolling pig's flesh. You referred to Paulo Costa as Paulo Cruz at one hour and 48 minutes of probably the last episode. Now, I'd normally not call you out because I have some degree of sympathy for men who have been kicked in the head by horse. But you did again shortly thereafter by calling him Cruz. Now, cruise your ass on home to your cats and vinyls and break out the shoe polish to restore some semblance of your youth it's all in good fun daddy dongs i seriously have nothing but love and admiration for both of
Starting point is 01:33:12 you you're truly timmy poo okay first of all that is a hilariously brutal but perfect email um and i'll take that out but he's actually right luke i grew up with a paulo cruz uh portuguese kid who was good at soccer to fit the stereotypes but a great dude too i haven't seen him in forever and for some reason every time i see that name i think paulo cruz it's not the first time i've been on dead wrong for this exact sin luke but i guess it's a subconscious shout out to my hometown of naugatuck connecticut luke where for years factories willingly openly pumped all of their chemicals into the naugatuck, Connecticut, Luke, where for years factories willingly, openly pumped all of their chemicals into the Naugatuck River that splits the town in two, Luke. So you do the math.
Starting point is 01:33:53 There you go. All right. I can understand that. I can understand a mistake like that. Yeah, you got it. Let's keep it going here. This is from Brooke with an E. Do you think that's male or female, Luke, or should I not look? If's brooke with an e i'm gonna guess it's more likely a female okay at 141 59 of monday's show episode 505 bc states that amanda nunez nunes uh would go on to attain double champ status after henry sahudo that's dead wrong bc nunes achieved the double champ at 232 in december of 2018 so hudo achieved double champ at ufc 238 in june of 2019 yeah brooke whether you're a male or a female i'm dead wrong you're right i had the order wrong boy this is starting to get a little pedantic here luke right that's the point of it. That's the point.
Starting point is 01:34:45 I mean, I want dead wrong to be like your inner principles and moral code is wrong. And here's why not, you know, you put the champions in the wrong order. You know what I'm saying, Luke? I understand. You're looking for a big meaty complaint. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to be nibbling on your bone.
Starting point is 01:35:01 All right. Stop making me have to like, look for the meat. I don't, I don't, I don't want it that badly unless it was served in a, in a, you know, a yummy bond Luke with whip. It's behind the Arby's there. I can't believe that that's a real thing. Like,
Starting point is 01:35:15 I think RJ, if he just effed around today and was like, you know what? I got this 10% code live 10 right now for anybody that wants a discount during the show on morning combat. Store. But what if I just took the funniest catchphrases with no supporting analysis of why it's there and just put it on his shirt and it said whippets in the back of the arby's parking
Starting point is 01:35:35 lot would that sell luke that'd probably sell right let me tell you something i'd be the first buyer of that shirt like look what if it was like neither here nor that you know john uh john jones has philippians 413 right here what if in that same spot it was neither here nor there but in the same you know in the same that's really where that's really where your life was at that point when you're doing whippets in the back of an arby's your life is neither here nor there that's a great point luke uh true story we got one more dead wrong for you hi this is christos again the p1 donk from chennai india in okay bet at one hour and one minute of episode 504 lt picked his new i'm sorry lt picked his fellow countrymen to win however on shal jubilee did not come from the contender series but in fact from the first
Starting point is 01:36:28 season of road to ufc i'm pretty sure i said that explicitly hope he comes back stronger after his first loss mk forever cheers it's christus i really i could have said it's possible i said contender series but when i read that, I read it off the Wikipedia entry, which I recall having, it was like the, whatever weight class it was, Road to UFC Season 1 Champion. That's what he was. And then remember, his opponent barked at him, and he just fell apart. There it is.
Starting point is 01:36:58 If you feel like we said anything else in error, you can email us at morningcombat.com. Mikey says, i was wrong on friday but then when i talked about it on monday i got it right could yeah it very well could be true yeah there it is there it is right there thank you uh that's dead wrong uh let us know how you feel about everything email us at that address for fan subs you can talk shit about luke whatever you want to do we love you for it thank. Thank you. You love it, dude. What is up with this? What is subconsciously happening in your brain?
Starting point is 01:37:28 You know, Saved by the Bell is, I mean, just an all-time great television show, Luke, even for as absurd as it is. But it's like perfectly absurd, right? It's like that steamed cheese that ekes out outside the burger. But Luke, when the central tension stopped being Zack versus Slater and instead became cool kids versus Belding, while it was enough of a comedic philosophical turn that it was able to extend the series largely because you got like hot buff, you know, kids, teenagers, whether they're probably really 23 years old, you know, just doing fun and goofy shit. But Luke, when it was all about, I'm not here to love this man.
Starting point is 01:38:14 I'm here to defeat this man. That show was at its best. They were both chasing after the same prize, which was Kelly Kapowski, Luke. Born to, you know, six children in a house without a stable income coming in and that's why she couldn't go to the to the junior prom luke to be fair but i will say that this answer going anywhere i will say that luke hashtag fight forever this never fuck the mayweathers it's It's never going to end, Luke. The central tension on this show is also
Starting point is 01:38:49 the heartbeat of it. We're not both competing for Kapowski. We're competing to find out who's right, Luke. Who is the A-side? Who is the who dated down in the end luke that's
Starting point is 01:39:08 what we're trying to figure out through this show you know what i'm saying i mean i don't think it's much of a mystery yeah you're working i show up to the work being like you know hey i gotta work with my my partner today. Let's have fun with that. And BC shows up like, yo, fuck this man's existence. Yes, yes. I'm about to 86 this whole bitch's life. Luke, for as amazingly successful as you are, you retain a lot of haters. Like, haters love hating on you.
Starting point is 01:39:39 Like, not in, like, a shop level, but, like, they love hating on you, but also being like, I can't miss the episode, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's true. I can have a, this is, if I could be honest for just a moment, I have always had a talent. Some of it natural, some of it cultivated for pissing people off. I've always had a talent for it. And, uh, it, I will be honest. It started out unintentional. And even today, there'll be times where I'll be like, hey, the sky is blue.
Starting point is 01:40:09 People be like, yo, fuck your mama. The sky ain't blue, bitch. Why the fuck you always talking about a blue ass sky? You fucking annoying piece of shit. I'll be like, what the fuck? But whatever the reason, I have a talent for pissing people off and it follows me and you can notice it. But what can I do, BC'm 44 I am who I am you know yeah I mean I have
Starting point is 01:40:30 you know comedic levels so close to not being funny on a regular basis Luke that I've also created people that just don't you know most of them most of them are employed in the district Luke but you know they just they're just not ever going to buy into what I'm presenting for someone who lives in the nation's capital i do a lot dude your joke today about the honor
Starting point is 01:40:48 killings being once in a while yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well my jokes are only as good as your cell luke that's how a great duo works so maybe we do need each other in the end i don't know i like working with you let's we should tell the audience i like work i really like working with brian i mean that doesn't mean i don't want to push you into oncoming traffic at times sometimes i do well i will i will you know i mean luke i'd love i'd love to take you for granted you know what i'm saying yeah yeah rob thomas there we go another and there's no 90s dude the 90s counter poor mikey can only do so much but the 90s counter what the mikey only do so much, but the 90s counter. What the fuck? Mikey's producing, directing. I actually asked him if he wanted to come on air.
Starting point is 01:41:26 He's doing everything. My man's juggling plates in the circus. I mean, it's too much. I'm like, Mikey, you should come on air and ask these Jeopardy questions. I'm like, oh, wait. He's the entire show behind the scenes. I have to say this. I will say this.
Starting point is 01:41:38 We can review the Stupid Jeopardy. I love the Stupid Jeopardy. I think it needs to go a little faster. I think we need a third person on air with us to do Stupid Jeopardy. I think it needs to go a little faster. I think we need a third person on air with us to do Stupid Jeopardy. I believe that. Oh, like a host. Yeah, they wouldn't be on all the time, but pull them out of the bullpen for that. All right.
Starting point is 01:41:57 Well, we do have an extensive arms race inside that bullpen, Luke, if these people still like us. But Luke says 100% next time, yes. Okay. Now, Luke, maybe we'll put a little scratch on it too to make people invested, right? I mean, you know, people only put up with OK Bet, Luke, for two reasons. One, they love the FanDuel Sportsbook app.
Starting point is 01:42:18 I mean, first of all. But number two, Luke, they want to see me suffer through Abortion Rock, death metal, the extreme. I urinate red. Whatever your songs are called, Luke, okay? Robert Thomas. This is truly my father's name right here. The most ordinary name ever.
Starting point is 01:42:39 Is that your dad? That's definitely not. My dad looks like me. He's bearded and just, you know know a misanthrope all right all right um i don't know what else i've got for you luke uh we oh i want to remind people of a lot of tomorrow how about this first of all morningcombat.store as we talked about you can get 10 off if you order right now with the code live 10 live e-0 Check that out if you're into it I think you're going to love it Also, youtube.com
Starting point is 01:43:07 slash morning combat We just put out Oscar De La Hoya Ryan Garcia with a lot to talk about about his future He wants Teo next for the belt or Haney He's going right back into the Do the
Starting point is 01:43:23 gladiator bit Oscar Duarte as an opponent for ryan garcia are we feeling this about it are we feeling this about it we're feeling this he can punch okay he's aggressive mexican only i think he's got one loss only um but has not fought super elite names mostly fought fought in his home country. But the feeling is, yeah, this guy comes to fight. This could be fun. Ryan should win. I hope he does win for the standpoint of, like I said, he wants a belt against a big name next.
Starting point is 01:43:55 That'd be great. Yeah, that's great. Dude, I will tell you this. The audience has been roasting us today, and they haven't missed. They haven't missed. They haven't missed. They haven't. Maybe that's the third voice, Luke, that we're looking for, right? The audience is just shitting on us.
Starting point is 01:44:11 Speaking of shitting on you, go shower. How about that? You know, I might do that today. You can check out De La Hoya, loose-bend chat with a lot of interesting people, including Kareem Zidane talking about combat sports on the other side of the world and the extended Middle East, Saudi Arabia, all that. Don't miss that. And don't miss Saturday tomorrow. Let's shoot for 5 p.m. Eastern start.
Starting point is 01:44:36 And it's going to be a live companion morning combat goofball episode. BT, BCLT, making it look easy with tyson fury and francis and ghanu uh and that will also you know that'll include like a a rap too right luke you'll you'll like you'll wrap it up with them after the fight maybe uh very quickly i mean i won't do a whole lot but some all right yeah don't don't change your dinner plans or anything folks but tune in on saturday check it out uh you can all look anything else i'm supposed to say. I think that's it. We got the interviews, youtube.com slash morning combat,
Starting point is 01:45:10 everything BC mentioned. Tomorrow, join us for live fuckery, and yeah, should be fun. Should be a good time. All right. Thank you to Mikey Mormile of CBS Sports. Thank you guys for voting for us, for liking, subscribing, just for being weird and not being afraid to show us that. But just don't show us too much because then we'll excommunicate you out of fear
Starting point is 01:45:30 that we'll see your John Hall soon. But I don't want to see that. So all stick picks, please go to Mikey at Morning Combat at gmail.com. That's Luke Thomas. This is Brian Campbell. Thank you for tuning in to the best show they ever made. We're going to keep making it for you because that's what we do. Take care of yourself.
Starting point is 01:45:46 We are out of here.

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