MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC 255 Recap: Figueiredo, Shevchenko Win, Perry Loses | Morning Kombat

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

MK is back and on episode 86, the boys recap UFC 255 where Deiveson Figueiredo submitted Alex Perez in round 1 and Valentina Shevchenko scored another win. Plus, Tim Means outboxed Mike Perry, Katlyn Chookagian decisioned Cynthia Calvillo and Paul Craig forced Shogun Rua to tap to strikes. --------------------------------- 'Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit: store.sho.com   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat  To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Reveille, reveille, donks. It is Monday, the 23rd of November, 2020, and it is time, donks, for Morning Combat. Hello, everyone. My name is Luke Thomas. I'm from CBS Sports and one half of your hosting duo. He is the, let's see, let me see if I got this right. He's the mashed potatoes to my mac and cheese. He's the gravy to my cranberry sauce. I'm not sure what I am. I'm not sure what he is, but I do know this. He is my co-host and partner in crime. Also from CBS Sports, it's Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian.

Happy Monday to you. Yeah, Luke, I'm the sauce, okay? And the last time I checked, the sauce is the boss. Thank you very much. All right, Luke. It is my favorite holiday week, a week to give thanks won't be normal though luke everybody's canceling their turkey day plans rightfully so dr fotch but uh yeah what a time to be alive uh wait a second though you got but wait a second you got you got two kids

you got your wife in the house you got you in the house yeah i mean that's a small thanksgiving but that's a thanksgiving i got three dogs and two cat or three cats and two dogs as well luke yeah we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna have around you know maybe get some maybe do something fun and nice but uh yeah it's just a weird time i mean mike tyson's in a pay-per-view match this week what a time luke what a time it's and there's no judges and he can't win or he's not supposed to win by knockout which is also a thing we'll discuss later in the week. Yes, my family has canceled our Thanksgiving plan, so it'll just be me, some Colombian in-laws, and my wife,

as well as the animals in the house. Stood in a two-hour line on Saturday to get COVID tested. Was going to get another COVID test today because I was going to see my dad, who turned 80 yesterday. BC, I'd wish him a happy birthday. Yeah, I'd wish him a happy birthday on the air, but he'd never see it, so not sure exactly what the point is. But I wanted to be extra

careful, because obviously at 80 you're at risk, but the rest of the family said no chance. Shout out to the great Robert Thomas, whose satchel has helped produce this show. I mean, let's be real, let's be straight up about it, right? I would like to talk today

without reference to my father's nutsack, but you know, it's a little late for that, isn't it? All right. A couple of news and notes here before we get going. If you want some of this MK merch, because hey, BC, there are no Black Friday deals, but Black Friday is just days away at this point. Store.show.com.

You can get some merch in there if you so choose let's see what else we got out there if you want to try showtime you certainly can showtime.com 30-day free trial if you like it you can keep it if not you can pound sand uh give the video a thumbs up hit that subscribe button bc i i think we would we should shoot for a goal of 70k uh subs by december. I think that's very doable. Would you agree? Oh, very, very much so. What do you think that along with a year-end goal? Wait, so your year-end goal is 70 subs or 70 subs at the end of this month?

Just the end of this month. Just the end of the month. Yeah. I mean, look, can we get that to certainly 75 by the end of the year, right? Five in a month is strong, especially when, we'll talk about this, the only remaining title fight is a flyweight title fight. I think it's a little ambitious. It's doable.

It's doable, but it's ambitious. So we'll have to see about that. But I do think 70 by the end of the week, or December 1st anyway, is very doable. We need your help to get there. It's nothing Brian and I can actually do. We need you guys to click like and subscribe and all that kind of stuff. So I always appreciate that when you do. And look, just a reminder, you can click subscribe and then turn off notifications. If you're like, well, I want to subscribe to you, but I don't want to get emailed.

You know what? You can, you can, you can adjust that. You can toggle that. Jay, can you stay out of my ear? I know that's your job, but what's going on? He's asking me to bring my chair down just a little bit. So my head height is more level with yours. All right. Well, with that in mind, let's get this started. Five big topics to start the show. We start with topic number one. Okay. So Saturday UFC two 55 is in the books in the main event, Devis and Figueredo, your UFC flyweight champion retains his title by defeating Alex Perez by first round submission BC a lot of different moving parts here I did a post fight show if you want to check that out you can but now we bring you in good sir I could parse this question a lot of different ways I'll just ask it

in a blanket statement your biggest takeaway from Figueredo's win over Perez is what? Just that, you know, we had visions of what a potential Figueredo flyweight title reign could look like. And oh, by the way, this is just, you know, one more title defense. I'm not going too far. But this was just a double down of all the bad assery that this man has teased. Look, he's got swagger coming out of his a-hole, Luke. He is an absolute pleasure to watch and a bad dude but to go out there against a hungry guy looking to really you know double triple his fandom and make his career in one night and the ease luke the freaking ease in which he sort of set a trap and got him out of there was very impressive. Luke, it seems to be, and they did touch on this on the broadcast,

that Figueredo's biggest battle in this weight class will be the damn weight class. We'll be making weight, and he did it this time. If he can keep doing it, we really might have a potential reign here. This guy can get you out of there with his fists. He certainly can submit you on the ground, and he seems to carry with him a swagger that just says, I'll brawl if you can hang with me. I'll point fight you if that's the only way.

I'll do whatever it takes. But I'm going to get out of there and put another red stripe in my already blonde dyed hair. I'm really interested knowing the fun guys in this division, some of which he's already fought. But if he can go on a run coming up, that includes big fights against the Morenos, the Garbrandts, the Askarovs, the whatever. These are going to be some fun fights. And I think you're going to have to favor him, Luke, at this point from what we know right now in every single one. He's a bad freaking dude.

Do you have the confidence that he can keep making this weight? Because it did look really tough this week. Yeah, I was saying this on the post-fight show, which was, you know, this is a guy who's going to need time to make weight. You can't call him out of nowhere to get it done. Now, can he do it if he stays in the United States, doesn't balloon up, like keeps a weight at a, you know, a maintainable level for a little while, and then goes back down in the course of three weeks? I guess we're going to see. I don't know. I'm a little bit nervous about it, but I suppose that's more doable than being called somewhere out of the blue and then having to make it on short notice

because he already is kind of low. Actually, really low, obviously. So I guess we'll see. But one of the takeaways I had from this was I'm happy to see these other fights in the division, and some of them might be competitive. The Brandon Moreno fight, I think, will be very competitive.

I look forward to seeing that, and if Figueiredo wins against Askarov, as you mentioned, we'll see how it goes from there. But it's kind of a shame Henry Cejudo's not around because that, to me, would be by far the most interesting. I don't know if Figueiredo beats him. I suppose maybe he does. You look at this and you think,

who is a real threat if Henry Cejudo was still around? Who is a guy you could point to and say, this guy's got some things in his arsenal that I don't know if either Henry can match or understands or will be able to deal with. You know, that big power that Devis and Figueiredo has, that trickery on the ground that he has, the finishing ability that he has, the instincts,

that's a real threat to not just anyone in this division, but if Cejudo decided to come back, him too. So I don't know if that's the kind of thing that pulls Henry back. If he's looking for the biggest fight, you know, he wants to fight Volkanovski in a third weight class. It's obviously... Luke, he don't want to... Suhudo does not want this weight cut again. And as

much as I love Figueiredo, and I'm ready to tell you, there is star potential. With a ceiling. He doesn't speak English. He's 125 pounds. There's a ceiling there. But look, if Suhudo's going to come back, it's going to be history against Volkanovski, or it's going to be against a star Bantamweight on a run, like if Dillashaw recaptured the belt and they did a rematch,

or if, you know, whomever, right? Jan Aljo go on some kind of run, it would make sense for Cejudo. He's a clout chaser, rightfully so. That's not a disrespectful comment. He is. There ain't much to gain anymore by going through that weight cut. Come on. We know this.

Right. I suppose not. Still, I just mean, if you're asking me, what would be the most interesting fights you could make at 125 pounds, I would put that on the list. Now, Cody Garbrandt has certainly talked about getting down there. It was supposed to be down there. Perez filled in for him when he couldn't make it.

But now it appears, and we don't know this for certain, but it appears he might be a COVID long hauler. One of these folks who gets COVID and then doesn't just get over it right away or, you know, within a short amount of time, has lingering symptoms for weeks or even months later. And he described this on social media to a degree, having brain fog and blood clots and other complications that can come from being a COVID long hauler.

So I don't know what that means for his return. He said he looks like he wants to get back around March. We'll have to see what happens in this fight against Brandon Moreno, which we'll talk about here in December. But I'm just saying you have someone in flyweight now who is a dominant figure. I think a lot of us thought when the TJ Henry Cejudo issue settled and Henry went up to 135, there'd be this sort of open-ended title being passed around.

And that is still possible, of course, because flyweight fighting can be a little bit chaotic. But it does look to me, BC, like you have a dominant force now at 125, which I would say, all things being equal, is better than having the title passed around a little bit you want you want someone that the brand can focus in on and promote and he looks like that kind of a guy look can i interject can i have the temerity and maybe you produce the omerta to allow me to interject for a moment certainly how about how about how about those big luke thomas words right

that felt good look it felt very those are only big words if you read at a sixth grade level, but go ahead. We talk, rightfully so, about, well, look, if this man, Figueiredo, can put together wins, right? I mean, look, as you said, Cody Garbrandt is a monster challenge if he's healthy, if he can make the weight. He's got one punch, knockout power. We all know that. A lot of ifs there. But the name we're talking about is what if Cejudo decides to come back? Do you know who we're not talking about at all?

The greatest featherweight of all time, right? Or not featherweight, flyweight. Excuse me. Demetrius Johnson, the greatest flyweight of all time. Luke, what do you know off the top of your head of the details of his one championship contract? Because we just all assumed because Demetrius is, you know, he's been very open about his issues with UFC. When he signed with one, he talked up right, probably rightfully so about how happy he is, about how he never needs to win another big fight to win over critics. He doesn't care. He's done what he's done. Now he's just going to challenge himself, make money, blah, blah blah blah blah i've asked him on phone calls is he gonna fight in the ufc again does he care he gives you the answers that say no but luke he's still in his early 30s he's still among the best

active fighters in the game at this point when that contract does run dry if figueredo has four or five title defenses that now you're talking some some business not financial business but some business of a fight we would really want to see let's just not forget to mention mighty mouse's name knowing that look you know he if he comes back a couple you know a year from now when that deal is up let's say it could be interesting uh he ain't coming back by the way i have some breaking news not a whole lot to discuss because we've broken it down a million times but the ufc has now formally announced it is official official official official poirier mcgregor to january 23rd saturday main event ufc 257 bc the ufc just put out a tweet about it and yeah but that tweet is a little like

water is wet right we knew it we knew that yeah yeah but I mean the UFC hadn't announced it which is sort of the last all right but don't blow me off here you don't think if another guy sits in his chair at flyweight if this becomes the figurado era and I know we're asking a lot off of one win that DJ would want to come back again and challenge himself against the best? I don't think UFC wants him to come back. I don't believe that. I think their partnership has run its course, yeah. Well, one of these days, Luke,

the IRS is going to be calling your boy Shotfi, or somebody will. It'd be like, hey, remember when you claimed this? Remember when you claimed that you cured COVID? We got to do a little fact-checking now, okay? Can I tell you? Can I tell you? I get, you know, everyone knows what my email is.

I put it out, lukethomasnews at gmail.com. I get more anonymous tips, not about UFC or Bellator or anything. I get crazy anonymous tips all the time about one. How many of those I can substantiate you know not that many per se but uh they be lightened up the dms with one you know scoops so to speak and they're not they're not flattering i'll put it that way so keep your eye on that i suppose what do you think about the transition now the fact that ufc is saying figurato you want you want um uh brandon moreno you got him and you got him next month and oh by the way luke pretty giant news yon aljo is out this is you know this is your new filler

this is your new main event for that final pay-per-view of the year have we ever seen one man headline two pay-per-views in 30 days time before headline two pay-per-views in 30 days time didn't jones do it with bader and then uh shogun or was the bader fight the not a pay-per-view this is pretty you know are you sure wild yeah well it's certainly unprecedented in the modern era let me just double check that was on a pay-per-view, it was not the headlining bout. It was not the headliner. Okay. Yeah, fair enough.

But I mean, it was a pretty quick turnaround, just the same. But you're right. Maybe in a headlining role, not that case. And of course, why is the UFC asking him to do that? Well, because their pay-per-view headliner that they thought they were going to have, Jan Aldo for the Bantamweight title, for whatever reason, Jan had to withdraw. So they had nothing. So now they're going to end on this.

You know, I'll say this, man. UFC, all things considered, had a very strong year. I think a year they can look back on and be pretty pleased with how everything went, by and large. I mean, it was probably a hiccup a year or there, and how they got started in the whole COVID thing was a bit of a black eye, but they rebounded very well. Still, very 2020, as I wrote on Twitter yesterday,

to end on three flyweight title fights. Figueredo, Shevchenko, and now Figueredo again. But you know, honestly, this is the flyweight fight that most fight fans wanted to see. The Perez one was a fine one, given that it was, you know, all the circumstances there and with Cody and whatnot. But Moreno was the guy everyone thought was going to be the number one contender, or already was anyway.

He's ready to go. He won in short order. He didn't take a beating. Figueiredo didn't take a beating. They both fought on the same card. I'll say this. If you're going to do one in a quick turnaround, you're not going to get circumstances, BC, much better than this.

Yeah, Moreno looked great. And I know there was an injury that ended that bout for Brandon Royval, but Moreno was putting it on like he does. Look, it's going to be a fun fight. It's just interesting in the whole theory. You're right. There's enough money in the bank in goodwill from UFC. They had an incredible 2020. They fought the COVID.

They were industry leaders on getting back and doing it safely. There was a stretch there for four or five months where it was every single weekend, a banger, maybe an iCalvio thrown in between, but we certainly gave them respect and a pass for that. Now they're seemingly softening up the end of the year, and I've seen different takes. Some of my brethren at CBS Sports are like, you know, are they looking to load up the first quarter of 2021 financially, taking away maybe some of the big fights now, thinking our pay-per-view money's already in, we're already getting, you know, what else is there to gain?

I add to that potential conspiracy what we talked about the other episode was, you know, has Dana called up Donald and said, hey, can we get people back in arenas in a month or two and maybe have some inside info? Do you think there's anything to that? Taking Jan Sterling and saying, hey, guys guys maybe we should do this like two months from now where potentially we could put people in the arena and we'll put this flyweight thing now to just be a place filler i i feel like what happened was earlier in the year they were just thinking to themselves you know what are the biggest best fights that we can make let's blow this thing

out the best way that we can and then they ended up with a year-end situation where they were like, okay, what is left that we owe? Remember, because they have to offer you a certain amount of fights. If they don't, they have to pay you. And, you know, look, they want to keep all of their titles in rotation. I think they decided, you know, in this crazy transitory part of the year, or even when people were even settled in a little bit, but still, you know, the world is not normal, right right given what we've known normal to be most of our lives

let's just pack in all the greatness that we can and then here they were like okay we still got to get these flyweight fights done um and of course Shevchenko had an injury so you know kind of worked out that way I think it was maybe a little bit more of that than and I do think that the ESPN part of in terms of like, you know, we have to meet a certain amount of content. And then once we've done all that, let's just give what we have over.

I think it's a combination of the two, but yeah, I think there's a reason why they're ending this way. And it's because they had to give it house. They sort of front and mid loaded 2020. Well, let me, let me ask you this as a spinoff to that somewhat related tangentially if i can use

another luke word if i may uh gently tangentially is not a word the upper bound limits of my vocabulary uh if i if i may um luke is this is already a weird year next month you know we'll probably throw our two cents in for the awards fighter of the year fight of the year all that good stuff it's already a weird year where not everybody has fought twice or whatever, where, you know, we talked about in boxing, Teofimo Lopez may end up being your fighter of the year in boxing for one win,

because it's the best win by far. Figueiredo, I think right now, is your fighter of the year for 2020. And he's got one more chance, Luke, to do something else spectacular. This is pretty damn interesting. I think for all the things we just mentioned financially, maybe pushing off bigger fights,

maybe just saying, hey, Figueredo's already in shape. Moreno didn't get banged up. Let's do it again. They're also giving Figueredo his best opportunity to get known in a short time and double down on potentially being your fighter of the year in this wacky-odd 2020. It could turn out pretty well for him, Luke.

I think that's a great point, right? Because he fought the first Benavidez fight in Norfolk, Virginia, which was February, and then the second one some months later. This was the third fight of the year against Perez. So he could get, what, a fourth one? Yeah, all title fights. Four title fights, and potentially, if he has all title fights four title fights and potentially if he wins again four finishes i mean that could you know obviously we don't know what's going to happen

in that fourth one but it could be a like a break like this could be hennem barrow with a personality luke you know what i'm talking about here yeah i mean and he can make sushi and do your wife's hair it's pretty amazing what the guy's capable of doing so i think it's a great call he absolutely would be i mean is it the most glamorous division? No, but you turn in performances like that that many times, you know, you're just going to be up there in the conversation no matter what. So I like the call. Now, let's go to the co-main event.

Still a flyweight bout. Valentina Shevchenko, point number two here. She gets a win against Jennifer Maya and does so without much controversy, to be honest. She won 49-46 on all three judges' scorecard. That's exactly how I had it, BC. I gave the second round to Maya. Still, there was something kind of missing there. So the question for you would be, while she won comfortably, she was reserved, BC.

Should that win have been more dominant? No, there's nothing missing here. Let's wake up a little bit here, okay? She was reserved, BC. Should that win have been more dominant? No, there's nothing missing here. Let's wake up a little bit here, okay? It's not Valentina's fault. And I'm not the, oh, he's a big Valentina. Let me just tell you some truth here for a second, okay? It's not Valentina's fault that she's so dominant.

The division is so empty outside of maybe Andrade that she's going to end up being a minus 2,000 betting favorite. Which she was this time around. Those odds are meant to sway certain betting trends. She's not a minus 2,000 favorite against anybody. She could lose any fight. Probably not though. Right? She's dominant.

And it's also. Look. You had Jennifer Maya in the best shape of her life. At the best point of her career. Proving that she's pretty badass. She's tough as nails. And as much as it was impressive that maya took all the big shots actually won a round in round two by taking valentina down and

by holding her up against the fence there's a lot of talk luke about like is the division catching up to valentina no she dominated this fight and any other further talk about she didn't do enough to either go for the finish and be exciting. Could you have said that in the Liz Karmouche fight? Yes. Liz Karmouche decided not to try to win. Valentina at a certain point was just like, I'm going to protect, go the distance. I'm fine with that. Right?

That's fine. It was not a good fight. Not a good representation of who she was. You know what happened here after she lost round two? She got pissed off. She started loading up with left hands and she was bringing it most other women in this division would have been knocked out luke jennifer maya just proved and it just so happened that not only can she take a big punch she had some nice counter shots she stayed somewhat in the fight

but let's not paint this picture what it isn't this is a dominant win for valentina and by the way she's coming off an injury everyone that fights her is going to be geared up for the biggest fight of their life she's still who we thought she was she tried to win and finish it maya was just strong enough to go the distance despite getting her face disfigured luke what are we going to say negative here about valent please please here's what I would say about this I don't have any problem with the fight I don't have any problem with it it's it was fine to me um the thing that I would challenge and I'd also say let me let me add something on top of that in in Shevchenko's defense she doesn't control the way she's hyped you know yes to some degree she could wag the dog a little bit, but she doesn't really do that, right? She doesn't go out and make these grandiose statements.

She's very careful and reserved in what she says. She always gives her opponents a lot of credit. You know, she's not one of these sort of over the top public figures. So in that sense, the way in which she is hyped is not her call. And was she overhyped with this whole idea of like, nobody can touch her. She's a God among men, you know, Wonder Woman 2020. Yeah. There's a little bit of overhyping in that sense, but that's not in any way her fault. And I don't even take any of that stuff kind of seriously. That's just to sell pay-per-views. Okay. So let's remove that for a little bit, but I have seen people say things like, you know, that was a masterful performance and blah, blah, blah. Well, here's

what I would say. It was masterful in the sense that she clearly beat a number one contender without really any issue. Second round, Maya's round, but even then, Maya didn't really do a whole lot either on top. So yeah, so the fact that you can have that much distance between you and your contemporaries, fight over fight, and after a long layoff and some surgery, yeah, that's pretty masterful. But I'm not going to sit here and tell you that was some great fight. I don't know why we can't say that out loud. The fight was not good. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't good. In fact, you mentioned like in the Karmush fight, you could sort of forgive her performance. Actually, I did some digging on the numbers on this. There is no fight she's had that's gone to a decision,

and she's had seven of them inside the UFC, where she has had less round-over-round-over-round, three-round consecutive output than she had in rounds one through three here. She had a total of 15 significant strikes that landed one per minute for 15 minutes. Not a lot. That's actually exceptionally low. And if you look at her numbers overall, like her career stats, she lands 2.98 strikes per minute. So we're talking about one-third of her normal output. And that normal output, less than three,

that's below average in terms of the volume. It's very, very low. So even by her own reserve standards, she was really reserved. That part is number one. Number two, she targeted the legs of Maya only 4%. Again, for any fight she's had that's gone to a decision, that's the lowest ever. This was a very reserved performance on her part, and we should be able to say that out loud without any controversy.

Now, of course, hold on. Let me finish. Hold on, hold on, BC. It is extremely reserved. She is a reserved fighter with little exception, and even by her own standard, it was reserved. Here's the point I'm trying to make, and I'll pitch it back to you, BC, because I understand.

Listen, they can't all be bangers. It was a pragmatic, smart performance after a long-time layoff against a fighter who, to your point, listen, Maya was ready to go. Okay, fine. But we should be able to say, was that fight amazing? No. No, it wasn't. It was able to say, was that fight amazing? No. No, it wasn't. It was okay.

And there's nothing wrong with that either. I'm not trying to paint myself as the Shevchenko super fan. Look, my hands are free. You can see my hands, all right? There's no gable gripping going on right here, okay? Here's the point. When you use the stats in this case to back up your point, they don't tell an accurate story.

Why? Because in round one valentina looked to be trying to make a point by taking jennifer maya down and trying to wear her slowly and strategically into a vulnerable spot to either submit her or ground and pound her because of that valentina dominated the first round so not true that is not true at all round two in which shevchenko lost she spent most of the round fighting off the grappling so you're not going to get the higher output on strikes but to her credit when she got pissed off and realized Maya's a little bit stronger than she thought

rounds three four and five she went for the kill she went for the knockout I mean what what are we doing here Luke what the hell are we doing you see she landed eight significant strikes in the third round that is one of the lowest for her ever now rounds four and five much better 12 and round four that's a little bit more common and then round five she put it on her 35 that is even high by her you notice three or four she wasn't wasting strikes she was actually looking to set up knockout punches with the left hand listen both okay fair enough. But both of them in this case are guilty, which is to say dude, this idea that they were on top

trying to do anything other than hold position is simply not true. They were not trying to pass. They were not trying to ground a pound. You cannot pass from full guard. You can, but it's very difficult to pass from your knees. You have to get on your feet. Not one time did either of them, when they were in top position,

try to do that. Not once. I did not see one knee slice attempt from either of them. What they were trying to do was – Why didn't Herb stand them up, Luke? Then why didn't Herb do it? That's a question for Herb. That's not Valentina or Jennifer Maia's fault.

But I'm just trying to make a point to you. Dude, this is not Habib round one against Conor, where he is constantly working to wrap your legs, flatten you, push to mount, ground and pound. He is on your ass all the time working. That is not what happened here. Is that okay? It's okay. Just don't tell me I was watching a fucking masterpiece in something like a grandiose way.

I was watching a pragmatic fight between two high-level competitors, and that's all it was. Okay? That's all it was. Luke. That's all it was. Luke, you can stick the pragma where the sun don't shine. All right, bro. Okay.

I know what I saw. Anyway, look, good win. Oh, you know, fairly dominant when we can take any narrative the way we want, but here's the deal.

Luke, she's not losing that title anytime soon. Jessica Andrade will have a puncher's chance. I do want to see that fight. What's interesting is that Valentina believes Jessica should have to fight Lauren Murphy first. Luke, it would seem like good promotional matchmaking not to do that, to instead line up each one as separate title defenses. But Luke, after Andrade, who we all respect, you're going to have to catch her on the wrong night for her.

Have Valentina make a mistake. It's going to have to be a Matt Serra situation. Luke, she's 32. She's at the peak of her powers. I don't know how much longer she wants to do this, but I could see her retiring with that 125 strap. You? Yes. I mean, the fact that she can be off that long,

and while the fight was not some sort of scintillating affair, for Maya to only really get one round. And as I mentioned, dude, the same criticism you can make of Valentina, you can make the same one of Jennifer. She didn't really do shit on top either. She wasn't really doing a whole lot. She wasn't pressing the action. And that's the best she could do?

You know, that tells me that, like, if you get a Valentina where there's any kind of a stylistic advantage, um, not just overall skill advantage, but you know, a particular style advantage, or she's in rhythm and ready to go. I mean, the Andrade fight I look forward to, I hope that they make it. Cause that would be interesting, but it's hard to look at anyone and be like, that's the person that's got the edge. I don't know who has the edge, not now and not anytime soon.

And it's not an, I'm not trying to say when I say really positives about Valentina, I'm not trying to act like this division should even really be a division. There's no depth in here, Luke. I mean, let's just be straight up Jessica. I mean,

you know, Caitlin, like these are when they got to the title level, they wouldn't be at the title level in any kind of other era and another division. It's just is what it is. But with that said, I'm seeing enough to tell you as we talked the other day that valentina's going to end up being on that short list of the greatest female fighters we've ever seen

she is of that ilk luke i don't know this mega fumi maji do me that you love but uh the other ones she's as good or better than every female i've ever seen. Hope we can get that trilogy with Amanda. Who knows? Definitely not racist when you say it that way. Okay, point number three. Oof, I am not sure what to say about this one. Mike Perry loses to Tim Means. Now, that's not necessarily any kind of scandal. You see, Tim Means is a good fighter. In fact, we'll talk about what he is owed in just a minute, but let's start with Mike Perry because he's got the bigger name. And I think fans are a little bit more interested, whether perversely or not about what happens to him now, not overall in his career, BC,

but inside the Octagon, he's now a 500 fighter. Is this all he's ever going to be? Sadly, Luke, this, this win was a reality check. And it's the,

it wasn't that he didn't have a bunch of losses heading into his last fight against Mickey Gall. It's just that he seemed to have turned the corner. He fought that fight very strategically and seriously and he won it convincingly, thoroughly. It was a great win. And he was going into this weird territory of, well, I'll just have my girlfriend coach me.

And I'll be honest, you know, it played into this whole reality show thing. Look, when he's on a microphone, I said it the other day, I got to see him. I don't care if it's perversely, I got to see him. But, Luke, you have to have wins in there. This is a bad loss. And I'm not going to take anything away from Tim Means,

who used his skills and his size. And you can tell he took the fight very seriously. And I do respect what Tim said afterwards about fighting for custody of his kids, and I love it. But this is a bad loss for Mike Perry, straight up, Luke, because we thought he was going to float in that gray area between legitimate contender and gatekeeper-ish guy and kind of like he'll give the big names really tough outs and be a great B-side, but if you're going to live in that,

you've got to beat the guys below you. Tim means is below him. And even though Mike Perry put on a fun effort in that final round, Luke, he's three and six in his last nine, he's lost three of his last four. The leash will be very short when you have heavy baggage, where,

when they put you in with like, look, if he had fought Robbie Lawler and if Robbie Lawler had poured out what was left in, in Mike Perry lost, you're like, okay, he fought Robbie Lawler guys. if Robbie Lawler had poured out what was left, and Mike Perry lost, you're like, okay, he fought Robbie Lawler, guys. He's a former champion. He's of the ilk. Tim Meade's been around forever, Luke. But his best win might be Walsh-Tiago Silva.

He's not of that ilk, okay? It is what it is. It's a bad loss for Mike Perry. And I don't know how much more he's going to get in this type of fight if he keeps losing them because of the extra baggage he brings. Even though that same baggage, Luke, is what gets people like me to get in this type of fights if he keeps losing them because of the extra baggage he brings even though that same baggage Luke is what gets people like me to tune in because Mike Perry's a dirt hole but he's fun to watch dude that's the reality of it but you got to keep winning and you got to win fights like this Luke straight up yeah the question that I pitched you was is this all it's ever going to be I'll this. As long as he's doing this where he's not taking the weight seriously,

he doesn't have structure in his professional life, he's deciding that his pregnant significant other is a suitable person to fill a cornerman role. Again, I'm sure she's a nice person. It's not a knock on her, but this is probably not a job that she's suited for. I've been covering MMA for 15 years, trained for 10 of them. I'm not suitable in that role. So if been covering MMA for 15 years, trained for 10 of them. I'm not suitable in that role. So if you've done less than me, it's hard for me to understand exactly what

value you could be providing. But as long as that's going to be the case, this is all it's ever going to be. And probably it will get worse. If anything, it certainly will not get better. The best you could do is hope to maintain, you know, winning one out of every three. Well, one out of every three, you know, that'll keep you in the majors in baseball if you're at bat, but that's not the same record of success here that you need in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. And to your point, I think it's exactly correct, BC, which is, listen, if you're Jon Jones, man,

they'll move a fight over state lines on a week's notice if they can because there's so much incentive for them to do that. But if you're not that guy, and Dana White was not exactly throwing him under the bus. He was saying things like, you know, he's still a fun fighter and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, look, Mike Perry is always going to be fun. He's never going to be boring. It's not in his DNA to be boring. Win or lose, prepared or not, he will always be fun.

I think that is true. He just has that kind of appeal in the way he fights but you know I don't see how you can round the corner and becomes the best version of yourself not doing things that elicit that best version you're not doing any of those things and it's a shame because again I don't know what the ceiling is on Mike Perry I just know we're not anywhere close and if you don't put structure in your life to get there, you can't. And that's not true merely of Mike Perry, BC. That's true of the best fighters on earth. St. Pierre had to eat discipline and train with Faraz Zahabi, John Jones with Greg Jackson. He had to get blah, blah, blah. All of the best

fighters have always had to have structure, programming, discipline, cornermen that knew what they were doing and blah, blah, blah. This is, you know, it's a little bit more than a sideshow, but it's part fighter, part sideshow. And honestly, it's a bit of a shame. And to your point about Jon Jones, what can cover up the lack of structure is winning. Jon Jones kept winning.

You know, Mike Perry dabbing on the scale after video surfaced of him eating cheeseburgers and not caring about weight it was actually kind of again perversely humorous to watch if he had won we would have kind of forgiven it and said oh there's crazy Mike but he won maybe he used it to his advantage but he won he ain't winning Luke

do you think in a year what's most likely BKFC jail or finding a camp But he won. He ain't winning, Luke. Do you think in a year, what's most likely? BKFC? Jail? Or finding a camp? Because there is ability in there. He's a bulldog underneath it. And figuring this thing out.

Because, Luke, you know it as well as I do. He's an undersized welterweight. He ain't going to middleweight and finding success. At least not in the UFC. No. So if he doesn't find a professional team and and and really go for it there's gonna be it's gonna be a it's gonna be a bad ending it's gonna real bad real bad in a year I don't know what the answer is because I do think he's got enough talent to again he'll win on occasion especially with the right matchmaking I mean Tim Means was in some

ways a bit of a bad matchup not from a physical standpoint but means whatever else you want to say about him he's real technical he's always been a technician he's a bit of a bad matchup, not from a physical standpoint, but Means, whatever else you want to say about him, he's real technical. He's always been a technician. He's a bit of a fighter spider in that regard, where he has maximized whatever physical attributes he has by an understanding of what works in terms of best practices, and he's done his best to try and implement them. And that's carried him, you know, all things considered, pretty far, sort of in many ways the opposite of Mike Perry.

So if they match him up with contender series guys who maybe got contracts when they shouldn't have or he gets a big punch landed because he still has a big punch, I think he can win. It's just how many times fight over fight is that going to be available to you when you don't have the overall structure around to get the best out of yourself? And the answer is, so far, one out of every three.

It's unfortunate. Now, it leads me to Tim Means. The guy's been around forever. Tim Means business, Dirty Bird, whatever you want to call him. I've never heard a bad word about him in the industry. I've heard bad words about almost everyone. No one ever seems to say anything other than complimentary things about him as a person. certainly as a fighter bc he is limited i guess you could say because there's enough evidence on him at this point to say he's at a you know a top tier you know 10 inside the

top five kind of fighter but he is a technician should he get something more out of an experience like this yeah he i mean he should get a a bigger opportunity i guess than he's used to there's an arlovsky quality to him and i say this as a positive you don't get 23 trips to the octagon luke and linger for for as long as he has without being able to avoid multiple losses which means constantly evolving which means being a tough sob and as much as i kind of poo-pooed on tim not directly in saying this is a bad loss for mike perry and in a lot of ways it was given the total circumstance it's a great win for tim means he showed toughness he showed a you know great strategy execution all that stuff yes for a guy

that's been around forever yet is kind of lacking on giant wins uh it'd be nice to see him get a big opportunity i mean by big luke you know what we're saying a name it'd be nice to see him get a big opportunity. I mean, by big, Luke, you know what we're saying. A name. It would be nice to see him to get a name, right? Put him in a fight because he's a little different than Orlovsky. Orlovsky has found a way to be successful by dialing back a little bit. Tim means, you know, he's pragmatic. He fights in a smart, calculated way.

But you saw at the end of the third round, he'll also open up on occasion too. Right? He's a little bit committed in that way. So give him somebody with a bit of a bigger name on a pay-per-view where he can do that against. And if he gets a big win there, then Hey, whatever the, you know, we will talk about what could be a possible there, but let's see if he can build on something at this late stage. I just feel like we've, he's gotten plenty of chances, but it'd be worth it to see somebody get a win like this and then be able to like, say, I can take an incremental step up afterwards is all I'm saying. All right.

Now let's get to some sad questions here. BC topic. Number four, MMA legend Shogun who loses, uh, in his, it was the main card opener for UFC two 55, Paul Craig stops him via strikes. I think of what the second round tapping to strikes, which I guess he did sort of after the fact in the John Jones fight. And maybe it was a little bit late here in terms of where the ref stepped in and blah, blah, blah, but he got dominated and it wasn't especially close. Is it time for balding Shogun Hua to retire? Well, in fairness, just to build the foundation to this point he got the shit kicked out of him against john jones you know like that was one of the all-time one-sided

performances so i don't care if he tapped or whatever in that point this was shocking though how this went even though craig was winning and he looked good look i didn't think it was you know domination from the standpoint of like stop the fight i mean it this was shocking so physically amazingly no he doesn't look physically like it's time to go I mean look I don't even know how it's possible but he came in four oh and one in his last five which is insane because he takes a beating every fight win or lose or draw but Luke this is a it's a bad sign and I don't I don't wish to even though he deserves the benefit of the doubt I don't wish to give him the benefit of the doubt that we kind of gave Diego Sanchez when he got the

DQ against Michelle Pineda and we almost said well veteran move to survive in advance another day this felt like Shogun got trapped and he's just like yeah that's it I'm out and I'm not saying there's not uh you know look he knew he was he was beaten so why take extra punishment or get choked like but at the same time that's not who Shogun is Shogun's gonna empty the damn tank every single fight and his ability to keep doing that Luke is what has built this ridiculous 4-0-1 run in the last five entering in but to see him tap out on strikes when again I'm not taking those punches, but that guy's been taking those punches for years.

This didn't look that worse than anything I'd seen him in. That's a monster sign, Luke, that he's not willing to go through what he has to anymore to win, and that's when you know it's time. So physically, it doesn't look like it's time, but we talked about this with Woodley, with Lawler of late, when you can't pull the trigger, you don't want to it's time. But we talked about this with Woodley, with Lawler of late, when you can't pull the trigger, you don't want to, or you don't want to pay the price anymore to get there. Please, that guy's a legend.

That guy is in the room filled with badasses, Luke. That guy stands on top of the table and everybody reveres at the size of his bag. I mean, that guy is a man among boys in the history of this sport. No shame. But I don't think it's safe to go oh that's fine hey who we got next in line for him no no no let's have let's have an adult conversation about this luke that was shocking bj penn once said only a bitch taps out on strikes i didn't say that bj penn did right before he quit on his stool against GSP in the rematch. Do what you want with that. But there's a stigma attached to that move for a reason, Luke. I'm not taking these punches.

I'm a bitch. I ain't them, but they're them. And he's not that anymore, Luke. Did that make any sense? Not really. Yeah, I mean, I don't mind. People miss it. I wrote on Twitter at the time that, you know, Shogun tapped the strikes, that's not a thing I was prepared to write, as if this was some indictment of him.

I don't care if a fighter taps to strikes. To me, this sort of weird notion that you can tap to a choke and not to strikes, it means nothing to me. I don't care about that at all. One is no more dishonorable or honorable than the other one. They're both total strategic decisions. And listen, if you don't want to be in a fight anymore don't be in a fight anymore i only want people competing if they really can summon the will to do it and if you don't have it in that way on that night or that day or at all yeah then i i don't judge i don't have the fucking will to even step in there you think i'm in a position to judge a fighter you

know saying he's had enough especially after the long catalog of fights he's had and the wins? That's not the issue. But I saw people being like, well, he's, you know, it was a wise decision to save himself the punishment, which I agree with. But really, folks, it's too little too late. I mean, what ends up happening when we decide whether, decide, when we collectively have an argument

about who should retire we look at their success in the octagon and what we usually say is who are they beating and who are the how are they winning in other words like if you can just keep winning at a reasonably high level there's no reason to stop at least very little reason to stop and I don't really agree with that years ago somebody asked me what it would it would take for brain damage to be a kind of limiting factor in who gets licenses by commissions. And it's hard to know certainly right now what the answer to that is. But I wonder, BC, if at some point in the future, we'll have some kind of test or measurement that allows us to detect a certain amount of brain damage and whether or not commissions put a threshold on whether or not you can continue to get a license and fight

if it goes beyond it. Because to me, what is pretty clear is we're talking about a guy in Shogun who, you know, he fucked his elbow up. So forget just the brain damage, it's taken an extraordinary amount of damage to just generally his body. And I'm going to guess, not a medical doctor, but I'm going to guess a totally inadvisable level of brain damage as well, which we're going to have to worry about and see what the effects of later in life. You can probably keep winning in MMA if you're good enough naturally, and you've been good enough that long where you can have an extensive amount of damage to your body and to your brain, traumatic or otherwise, and still just win against certain kinds of competition. I think it's

absolutely possible. So I think if you're going to ask the question of who should retire, it's partly are they winning? I don't think it's a totally ridiculous question. It's actually quite valuable. But also, hey, man, how long have you been doing this? And what kind of damage have you taken? What's really left? What's really possible? When you add up all of the answers to those questions, BC, you get to me a point where you're like, dude, what on earth are you doing at this point? Yes, of course it is time to retire. It was probably time to retire a while ago. So while I respect the fact that he can still uh win saturday notwithstanding this this idea that he was saving himself on saturday extra damage folks the damage is done that was just leaving what little was left and while i applaud it uh that's not the issue yeah

that's it that's it look remember pre um endeavor pre-$4 billion sale? Look, UFC doesn't pay the fighters what we think they should to a lot of degree, but they would do that cool thing for the legends, the company guys, the Matt Huses, the Chuck Liddells, probably the Bonners and Griffins. Give them the yearly salary. Give them the honorary job. And I'm not saying a guy like Forrest Griffin seems like he's actually working a lot for the ufc but you know give him the retirement package which is here's an annual salary thank you for everything you've done shogun's a guy right now where you know i

don't know ufc's books but i'm gonna guess they're pretty damn strong uh can we find enough in there just give this guy a yearly salary to not fight can we give him can we put him on the chart the old chuck liddell plan before endeavor canceled that because that's uh in a in an unforgivable sport luke i'd like to see some kind of end reward on that for somebody like him who you're like oh my god thank you for everything you've spilled out but what's done is done here you go here's your golden handshake okay there you go that's it luke that's it yeah i appreciate that we see that's a very weird handshake all right last but not least we get to the part of the card where we have open-ended whatever you want.

So there was a lot of different interesting pieces to this card, main or prelim or otherwise. BC, who is somebody else that deserves a mention on this show, positive or negative, game ball or gasser, from UFC 255? I'm absolutely stunned, Luke, that Antonina Shevchenko, and by the way, I think it was like her 36th or 37th birthday, that she suddenly found a ground game, Luke. I thought she was going to get, you know, beat by Ariane Lipski.

And I thought, you know, despite the fact that Antonina had a good record coming in, we talked in the show preview in this fight. I didn't have great things to say about older sis. Her ground game was absolutely remedial against Caitlin Chukagian when she finally sort of stepped up to the elite level. I give her a ton of credit. She dominated Lipski, got the second round stoppage. Her ground game looked fantastic. Is, is a Lipski Habib on the ground? No, but Luke, this was a fighter later in her career. Who's constantly evolving. And obviously it can't hurt

to have uh Valentina as your chief sparring partner but I'll give Antonina a lot of credit big win for her a big win for the sisters on the same night to both gain a victory but I didn't see that coming Luke and as we already know this is a shallow division and I don't expect the sisters to fight each other but this is a win that sort of forces you to reset what her ceiling is. Yeah, it was a nice win. I have to admit, I was equally surprised, not really that she won, but that it was shit. It was kind of one-sided on the ground, wouldn't you say?

Yeah, dominant. It was a dominant win. I was like, whoa, what do I know about MMA? Filthy cash over here, bro, okay? For my shout-out one, I'd say I thought Alan Joban, if that is the end of his career, I thought, you know, I thought that was a guy that also tried to always maximize potential, right? You know, a guy, maybe he didn't get as far as, like, you know,

having a belt wrapped around his waist, but he always tried to be the best he could be. I always really admire that. But Joaquin Buckley, man, you know, it's funny. Joaquin Buckley got finished with strikes against Kevin Holland in August, and then later on fights Kasonganai, blows his brains out with one of the most incredible KOs

I've ever seen, and the UFC really decided to get into the hype machine for him, which is sketchy because partly he was training part-time when he fought Holland. He's obviously athletic. He's obviously talented. But we don't really know exactly what his ceiling is. And then you understand the UFC's position too, right?

It's like you don't want to ride the wave of interest in one of the greatest knockouts you've ever seen. Of course you do. So you're just kind of taking a gamble that maybe he can pick up on that, and he did. Jordan Wright, I thought, is a good fighter. And I thought was winning the first round up until he got melted and then comes out for the second which he should not have I mean

his corner totally failed him in that regard but whatever comes out for the second and then gets bludgeoned into uh you know quick defeat in just 18 seconds into the second round you know Buckley had I think he even admitted it he had a lot of pressure from folks to get out there and follow up on this tremendous win how the hell do you follow up a win like that I gotta tell you this win wasn't as spectacular it was pretty goddamn good it's a nice effort on his part and BC and he set up the cross fight I'm all in dude I'm all in I am as well look he could have come out and lost and just fell right back into obscurity he could have come in and wanted you know a boring decision but it's impossible to follow what he did with anything more spectacular yet this was pretty violent enough

where you're like maybe he's turned the corner maybe he's really damn good and I know you were a big fan of his pectoral muscles on Twitter Luke Luke. And, you know, his body's a wonderland. Shout out to Buckley. And, you know, shout out to a fighter as well, Luke. Not my favorite fighter, Caitlin Chukagian. That's a really good-ass win. And there was a lot of reason to believe, Luke, that she was kind of cashing herself out.

She's talked in every interview about, I want to fight as many times in this year as I can. Then I want to go have babies. Then I want to go, you know, plan the rest of my life. This was a short turnaround after the Andrade loss. I would have predicted upset special that Calvillo is going to come in there. And she, Caitlin used every advantage to her, uh, to her advantage physically, and really was a fought a great game plan. Luke, she's not done contending for a title for better or worse. And I say worse because, you know,

she kind of laid an egg against Valentina. You can ask yourself, what's she going to do anyway? She doesn't have big-time power. But this is a good win. I don't know if Calvillo took the red pill before, or the blue one before this fight, but she didn't seem like herself. And I think it was Caitlyn who made it that way.

So shout out to her. Shout out to the blonde fighter, Luke. Okay. Yeah, she did well. Chukagian, I think is how it's pronounced but i don't really know so uh but you're right totally agree i thought she she really surprised me with that win and uh um she won it with relative ease is a strong word but she was in control uh okay well that is it for our top five this is now a question or excuse me a portion of the show where I don't ask you questions,

you don't ask me questions, but the viewers ask us questions. It's time for DMs from dogs. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Hee-haw. All right, BC, we go first to D. Hager, J15. Who are these jamokes? I think that's Dylan Hager. I think that's one of our passionate i think that's my uh one of our

passionate ones all right shout out to that guy all right who wins in a fight between davison to your point bc and mighty mouse so let's say they signed mighty mouse today bc and then said you know what brandon moreno step aside you gotta fight mighty mouse who wins well on paper you you still obviously have to love mighty mouse but let me ask you luke because you are professor salt and pepper what does figuerito do as good or better than demetrius uh he's got better finishing submissions i think and you'd be like oh well didn't mighty mouse throw up brandon moreno in the or not brandon i'm sorry um uh what's his face i can see him ray board excuse me those are the end of the arm bar yes there's certainly creativity and Or not Brendan Reyn, I'm sorry. What's his face? Ray Borg.

Those of them at the end of the arm bar. Yes, there's certainly creativity. And by the way, folks may not know this. This is a true story. He has shown me the mousetrap. He actually did the mousetrap on me. I've seen it. I've felt it.

And it's great. Did you tap? Of course I did. Like, dude, it's a... Let me tell you, one of the best things a coach ever told me was, you could be the most experienced black belt in the world, but if somebody gets behind you and locks in a choke, you're probably going to tap or go to sleep.

I mean, there's only so much you can do. I've been telling you that. I've been telling you that for about six months, bro, one of these days. Yes, but you're a zero. You don't know what you're talking about. The point being is when Mighty Mouse is demonstrating something, yeah, he's going to get to the full end. I'm going to let him get to the full end of it. Anyway, so he is creative,

but to me he's a little bit more of a creative MMA grappler than he is like a pure jiu-jitsu guy. Like I've got a submission breakdown coming on Davidson's win. To me, that was basically what Jeff Glover did in the ADCCs, I think in 2013, 2011, over Hobson Mora. And it's a very special kind of guillotine that takes, BC, the only way to explain this is it takes the most deft hand to be able to pull off.

You have to have a very specific, careful kind of squeeze. And to get that, that man that is a super high level plus I'd say he hits harder but other than that Mighty Mouse has all the other pieces of the game I've not a little bit better a lot better than him and that's going to be a hard thing for Figueredo to overcome yeah it would be a fun chess match to see Figueredo come out there knowing he wants to you know uh surge and in attack and knowing that mighty mouse will play the long game with him it would be very interesting if figueredo could get mighty mouse to fight him to get him to exchange i mean it'd be a track meet as well that'd be wild look

remember remember john john dodson rocked him uh in their first fight john dodson could thump but he couldn't hold he couldn't he couldn't couldn't sustain the Alamo over the course of five rounds. And I think that's also something that really benefits a guy like Mighty Mouse. Hey, Tim Elliott had a few fun moments on the ground against Mighty Mouse. Remember that? No? And that's the other part about it. He had a big size advantage.

Figueredo would have a big size advantage as well. It's another key piece. It'd be fun to shoot, dude. It'd be fun. Influenced by 50 Cent, Luke. All right? You remember being in the club. Apparently.

All right. From at Aurelius92. BC, this is a great question. I think the answer is no, but I'd like to hear you explain it. Is Mike Perry MMA's white Dennis Rodman? Well, Luke, I'd like to remind you that Mike is 2% African American. Okay, Luke, I would like to remind you that. So the% African-American. Okay, Luke, I would like to remind you that. So the question should be, is Mike Perry MMA's also black Dennis Rodman?

In a way, yeah. There's some second-half crazy Mike Tyson in Mike Perry. There's some, yeah, I guess there's a little bit of why. Yeah, but hold on. Hold on, hold on. Dennis Rodman was, he was limited, but he played a role on a team, which, of course, Mike Perry is not necessarily, doesn't have that option because it's one-on-one. But Dennis Rodman was a fucking workhorse.

Dennis Rodman was a Hall of Famer and one of the great – in the argument of the greatest rebounders of all time, and by size, he probably is the greatest rebounder, but also a two-time defensive player of the year who can guard every position. So, yes, he's a Hall of Famer. Mike Perry, not a Hall of Famer. We're talking strictly from the idea of being a menace to society, a menace to yourself, a constant walking reality show.

Yeah, he's a – I have to see what shenanigan he's going to pull next. I mean, he didn't make Coach Latorre carry the spit bucket, thankfully. But did you hear her instructions? She was like, punch, punch. I loved it. Look, I loved it. Punch. I don't have anything bad to say about her.

She seems like a nice person, but I don't delight in that situation. All right, from at Tyson underscore calm. Will the Tyson versus Jones fight go as planned, or is somebody getting knocked out, BC? Luke, that is the million-dollar question. For as much as this fight, Saturday night, pay-per-view, Staples Center, Los Angeles, has the potential to... Look, that's why we're going to tune in.

It's a carnival. It's either going to be really great to see these legends back and have a little fun fight for as long as it lasts, or it's going to be sad, but there are, there are many different ways it can be sad, Luke. And that's a big part of it as well.

Is it going to be sad because they're too old or one guy gets hurt, or is it going to be sad because you don't get your money's worth? Because the California state athletic commission is clinging to this idea that even though they're wearing no haired gear but they're using bigger gloves 12 ounce gloves andy foster keeps saying there will not be a knockout they will not go for a knockout if any of them are caught the fight gets stopped instantly this will be a hard sparring match and obviously that is against the personalities of both and both Tyson and Jones have said multiple times like we're gonna kill it like I'll fight to the death we're gonna kill each other Luke um you have to believe they're gonna let him fight or you want to believe they're gonna

let him fight but referee Ray Corona is a veteran who works for the California state athletic commission. There is a big potential want want to happen here. If this thing starts to heat up a little bit and you look like it's going to get fun. And then they just go, okay, that's too much. Hey, thanks for coming out guys. Enjoy your one round. Like they can't do that. If, if we're paying, you know, if the people are paying, however much it costs for one fight, I know there's an undercard. I know you get one of the Paul brothers against Nate Robinson, but like much it costs for one fight. I know there's an undercard. I know you get one of the Paul brothers against Nate Robinson. But you're paying for one fight. We used to pay for one round of a Tyson fight if he's murked a guy. If we don't get the murk in this case, Luke, it's going to be bad.

It's going to be real bad. My recommendation on this is, look, man, I don't know what's going to happen. Could it be more exciting than my negative don't know what's going to happen. Okay. Could it be more exciting than my negative fucking ass thinks it's going to be? Yes, of course. Could there be a knockout? I certainly couldn't rule it out. I would go in just thinking of, okay, how much is this fight going to suck? And think of it in that frame.

Because if it's anything better than that and there's a decent chance it could be you won't go away disappointed it will exceed your expectation what i don't want folks going in there with is like oh my god dude this could fucking be awesome yes it could be but just put your put your mind in a negative space like mine is and when something good actually happens wow man you're like surprised. But if something shitty happens, which also, by the way, very strong chance that that happens, you're like, you know what? I was prepared for this possibility. I'm not nearly as upset as a consequence.

Yeah, they're going two-minute rounds, I believe eight rounds. I think the best-case scenario, Luke, is that, look, knockdowns are exciting. That's what, when we look back at our favorite boxing fights it's usually like people overcoming adversity they're not going to let these guys overcome a lot of adversity right there's going to be a quick hook to end this fight i think you have to hope that there's flash knockdowns and that a guy can get back up and still fight and be in it and that there's no cuts because they'll shut that shit down right away. Luke, I mean, best case scenario is Shamrock against Kimbo. It really is. It's that this thing goes, you know, two, three, four minutes at most,

but they both have momentum swings where they're in it without it looking like one guy's going to never walk or talk again, you know? Right. Yeah. All right. From, this is a good question here, BC. This is a tough one too, actually. This might be the hardest question to answer, but maybe the best one.

Here we go. From CubbiesFan80, what is the perfect plate of Thanksgiving food and, and this is the key, the perfect drink to wash it down? Yes. Yes. You and I have debated this thing, Luke, back in the day at length at length but uh uh i come from you know a line of french canadians luke okay my people the quebec the quebec icons the uh the vermonters you mean the quebecians the quebec icons um so luke uh that's half of

my family of course i'm lithuanian on the other side luke i knew you knew that so we love ourselves some freaking ass meat pie to me luke turkey is not even in the equation do i put pieces of turkey on the plate yes i know people love turkey soup or turkey sandwiches if that's how you get down go for it to me meat pie is the heart luke it's the the backbone the sack attack of the plate have you ever had meat pie? Yes or no, Luke? Does like shepherd's pie count as meat pie? No, I think shepherd's pie just has ground beef. Meat pie has mixtures of like pork, beef and chicken inside of it with a pie crust. I don't think that I don't think I've had that.

No, it's got like a cinnamon spice to it as well. And you put gravy on that. You put mashed potatoes and corn around that. Then you get the stuffing. And look, I like the crap can stuffing. That's how I get down. Don't give me the one with the big chunks in it. Give me the crap, all right? Put that around it.

Stuffing is like the Scottie Pippen of the meal. You got to have great stuffing, okay? But it's really what happens is the mash, the gravy, and the corn become almost like a floating moat for the, for the meat pie to swim in. And then around that, you know, you got a little green bean casserole. I got an aunt that aunt Cheryl makes the lasagna randomly.

I throw a little lasagna on the side, but really it's about the meat pie and the traditional fixings around that. You asked about the drink, Luke. I mean, it's between a glass of milk and a root beer for the perfect accompany. Are you out of your fucking mind? You had me on most of that shit.

Most of that shit, I was like, all right, I can get down with that. Fucking root beer. What are you, just trying to fucking singe your palate so you couldn't appreciate anything on there? What am I supposed to say luca uh uh glen gary glen ross that you're i mean what am i what are we going with this coffee is for closers bc uh okay well here's the thing my family doesn't really do thanksgiving as traditionally as other ones which is to say yes okay well i don't have thanksgiving this year but you know uh when we do,

we obviously have a Turkey. I mean, that's sort of the centerpiece Turkey is an overrated bird. You have to really know how, what you're doing. BC, you ever fried a Turkey? It's a super overrated bird. You ever fried a Turkey? I have had a fried Turkey that a friend of mine made once and delivered it to me on Thanksgiving. It's fantastic. Yes. Yeah. So I fried a turkey a few years ago. It's the best decision I ever made. I did it in peanut oil. You have to have the ingredients and you got to do it safely. I did it in the middle of my yard with grass. I had a sand pit around it. I made sure I put the right amount of oil in. I heated it with the right equipment to the right

amount. I slowly lowered with the right equipment, the bird into there. 18 minutes later, I pulled it out, peanut sauce, and I had injected fat and butter all into it before, and I had seasoned it for three days ahead of time. Wait, did you say peanut sauce? You put the peanut sauce on it? So is that like a Thai taste? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Peanut oil.

You fry it in peanut oil. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, and so I fried it, pulled it out. Dude, that's the best turkey I've ever had. I know a lot of folks are like, my Meemaw makes turkey in the oven. Your Meemaw makes fucked up dry wood, and you just lie to yourself and to her and the rest of your family. First of all, don't you ever use my Meemaw's name in vain at all.

I mean, I can't say how many times I've been to someone's house and they're like, dude, my grandma makes the best fucking bird. And I ate it, and I was like, holy shit, I might have food poisoning from just eating drywall. Okay, let me finish the point. You didn't get mad at my sacrilege of saying that turkey is the most overrated part of the meal, like by far, like I could do without it. Dude, we're in lockstep on that. I'm not one of these guys like, do you have to have turkey because it's Thanksgiving

and that's the thing you got to do? Yeah, sure, man. I won't fight you on that. On some level, you got to have it. Plus, yes, the leftovers and blah, blah, blah. But like, is turkey as good as beef to eat? Fuck no, it's not nearly as good. You know what? We should start, yes, the leftovers and blah, blah, blah. But like, is turkey as good as beef to eat? Fuck no. It's not nearly as good.

You know what? We should start. We should change in this country. Make spiral ham the centerpiece of the Thanksgiving meal. I usually have that on Christmas or on Easter, but spiral ham is badass, Luke. Well, here's what I would say. So finish the plate. The mac and cheese has to go on there.

I'm a big mac and cheese guy. I'm not a big green bean. I'm not a big green bean guy. I mean, I'll eat them, but I don't think they're not a very interesting veggie. So my mom has this. Do you mess around with yams? Do you mess around with yams or turnip or anything? Sweet potato, maybe.

But my mom has this special vinaigrette she used to make, rest in peace. And me and my sister and my brother all still make it. So we'll make my mom's sort of like a mustard vinaigigrette and we'll dress some kind of salad that we make with it um and then from there cornbread biscuit i feel like a biscuit is kind of essential with the gravy maybe some stuffing i'll take a roll luke but a biscuit would be a roll a roll is okay so yeah some kind of thing you could put in your you just can't have a slice of bread in there you got to have something a little bit different to to to sop it up. But I'll tell you for this year, BC, what I'm going to do is I know you've never had it, but just hear me out because

if you've never been to South America, you got to understand one thing about the whole place, whether it's Brazil or any other place, it's all kind of the same in one sense. They love their beef down there and they know how to do it right. It varies country to country, but they do it well. There's something where my wife is from. Where she is from, it's high in the mountains. It's actually higher than Mexico City. It's 8,500 feet. It's Bogota, Colombia.

There are no central ACs in any place you go. The only way to heat everything or keep it cool, it's cool naturally, so the only way to heat anything is with a fireplace. So they have a dish down there called lomo el trapo. Lomo el trapo is how you would pronounce it otherwise. You take beef tenderloin, you salt that son of a bitch like you never salted anything in your life. You pepper that bitch like you never peppered anything in your life. You take cheesecloth and you dunk it in red wine.

You wrap it. You get the fireplace going, BC. 15 minutes. You assault that bitch like John Copenhaven? Is that what you just said? I hope not. No. 15 minutes. 15 minutes. And you get one of the best tasting pieces of meat you ever had in your life.

You could put some rosemary in there as well. You get that, a glass of red wine, some Pinot Noir. I was like, you get that, a glass of Pinot Noir, not fucking root beer, and you are living the good life, sir. Easy to cook, easy to do. All right, let's course correct and remember that I come from a factory town. All right. There ain't no Pinot Noir anywhere. Okay. All right. Pinot Noir is like, dude, you can get a Pinot Noir for like $9. I don't know what you're talking about. I know that now, now that I live in the, uh, you know, in the, in the, in the snobby burbs, but, uh, you know, come on, Luke. All right. You gotta, you gotta go back to your roots, but look, I respect the game there. I like

the South American influence. I'm sure a Bo back to your roots. But, look, I respect the game there. I like the South American influence. I'm sure Abuela makes something fantastic. Luke, I bet I can hang with your people, okay? I bet I can. Dude, you'd love to eat. You would not have a bad meal down here. You'd just have a different meal. That's all.

All right, and last but not least, BC. Wait, you weren't going to ask Jay about how his tribe celebrates? Jay, we're going to get some manso here or whatever. Jay, you there? Jay, what's going on yeah I'm here do your people hey hey hold on hold on hey uh where where's Jay and why'd you replace him with

Skrillex um because he died did he did he die I don't think he died I don't know he's alive is he one of the alive ones they all die eventually at some point they all commit suicide what do you what do you eat what do you eat on Thanksgivinggiving i know this might uh disappoint brian but i'm actually like fourth generation american um so i know he treats the jews like they're different so you know they're

american too right what does that even mean i don't get it yeah it's like it's like like he thinks i'm gonna have some like you know uh oh yes well my uh my israeli uh parents who don't speak any English. No, I mean, my grandparents were all born in America. But anyway. You make the turkey out of clay. I get it, Jay. I get it.

Yes, exactly. And then we light it up. Oh, that's hilarious. No, yeah, it's a very American, very traditional American Thanksgiving. All right. You know, I'm not going to say anything bad in case my mother's watching because she. Oh, thank you you Mrs. Aaron For helping

And produce this show Originally years ago Jay real quick Can you tell Luke what song you were playing on acoustic guitar Before the show this morning That was Backstreet's Back The famous song by the Backstreet Boys Yeah it was a dark morning

That's your producer Luke You know that song is about 25 years old How old does that make you feel Yeah producer luke there he is yeah you know that song is about uh 25 years old could you believe how old does that make you feel yeah okay thanks jay great great talking to you jay always always a pleasure being thank you thank you yeah we have one more question by the way yes we do which we can get to when you leave thank you all right at under at dillio underscore two bc what's some advice you'd have for a high school donk headed to college well first don't get coveted but beyond that what else well i'm a college dropout luke am i the right guy to be giving advice here come on you know i mean really here luke right yeah yeah yeah you

and kanye yeah you and kanye um best advice i would have um, people say it'll be the most fun you've ever had. That's probably true. It's not entirely true, but it's probably true. But the thing I would say is take an opportunity to, um, study something that really captures your imagination. Uh, so for me, I went in a lot of different directions, but don't just like, oh, my dad said I need to study fucking blah. So I'm going to go do that. Like really take an opportunity to take classes. Even if you have to take a higher than 15 credit hours per semester load to do it, take extra really broaden your horizons, enrich the value of learning, and see where that takes you.

Maybe it doesn't lead to a major or anything else, but the best classes you'll take in college are the ones you are the most passionate about, and I don't mean bowling for your last semester of senior year. Yeah. If I had to go back, Luke, the advice I'd give is go to a warm-weather school. All right? That seems fairly smart.

And, look, go to a school with a major power basketball or football team. It just seems like that would only quadruple the fun. Right, Luke? I mean, it would. It would. Yeah. See, I didn't do that. In fact, Ben Roethlisberger crushed Mike Tomlin the other day.

Do you see they had some, like Mike Tomlin made some comment about like a Miami of Ohio because, you know, he's making something. And then Ben Roethlisberger was like, yeah, well, when we figure out whatever conference William and Mary plays in, I was like, yeah, that's a dig. That's a dig. And if you're going to study abroad, wear protection, right? Something like that. Yeah. Something like that.

That's a big help, you see. All right. With that in mind, sir, it's time for us to watch slapstick. Go ahead. All right. Hey, that's time for the factory town portion of this show. All right. We scour the globe.

Luke, the highs and lows, the good, the bad, the ugly and combat sports and beyond. It's have you seen the shit? Luke, have you seen what went on at LFA 95 Park City, Kansas? The Adesanya Slayer himself, Alex Pineda. Four years in the making. He's back in MMA. And, Luke, he sent Thomas Powell to the bottom floor. In fact, it got scary for about four or five minutes when Powell was not moving.

Luke, they call him Poetan. I believe that translates to Stonehands. Good God, I cannot wait for this man to get to the UFC. Will it happen, Luke? Will it happen? It probably will, but I would caution folks. He's a lot older than Adesanya, and I don't think he is quite as well-rounded. So you should have some managed expectations.

But if people want to strike with him, you're going to see a lot of that. I mean, look, that's a touch shot right there. He just touched him, Luke. Yeah, the timing is perfect. This is absolutely perfect. Bop. Bah. Jesus.

Wow. All right. Hey, let's go last Thursday. Bellator 253 on that undercard. New Zealand's J.J. Wilson needed just 20 seconds, Luke, to send Sergio Dabari on vacation. You impressed with the Maori kid from New Zealand here. Yeah, he does the old sweet. That is a similar execution of what Masvidal did to Till.

Yeah. The old switch step of the feet blitz. J.J. improves to 7-0. is he a ckb guy luke or no no i don't believe so all right all right luke i didn't really want to put any of this on the show because you got to go to a adult film site to watch it but were you down with what's going on in fight circus 2 over the weekend where they had all that weird stuff they had a three-on-one mma fight but i wanted to show you the prize they gave to the big fella called Panda for competing in this.

Did you see this conspiracy theory picture that says... No. Fight circus rules and Epstein didn't kill himself. That piece of artwork was what they gave the Panda for competing. Look, there was a spinny shit only fight. There was a leg kick only fight. There was, like, a lot of weird stuff. If you're wondering what a three-on-one MMA fight looks like,

we've got footage here. If we can advance the slide. Yeah, I don't... I'm torn, Luke. Because if you're going to watch this, you've got to go all in. And it's probably pretty gross. I saw Bob Sapp showed up. I mean, it's probably pretty gross, right?

Well, I mean, Thailand is a country where they've got you know kids the age of eight and nine fighting for uh you know to send rice to their family it's they've got a bit of a slightly different moral calculation on some of these things was that in thailand fight circus too it was i believe so yeah i could. I could be wrong about that. So if I am, y'all can kill me on dead wrong, but I believe that is correct. Yeah. I'm not going to Cam Soda for anything, Luke, okay? Come on. Come on.

Oh, really? You're too good for Cam Soda, Mr. Rick? Yes, I am. I am. Thank you. Hey, Invicta 43 over the weekend, Luke, did you see the damage that PFL champ Kayla Harrison left on the face of Courtney King? God, it looks like a horror movie, Luke.

Hey, so Harrison moved down. She's the 155 champ with PFL. She moved down to featherweight for this one, which is interesting. She said she wants to get another fight with Invicta before the PFL season. Let's show the finish here. Luke, it looked like Kayla didn't even get to enjoy it because of how brutal it was. I didn't think she wanted to be there, Luke.

This looks like the movie. I know, she gets up. Let's see if we can see the face. She gets up and she makes a face like, ugh, I feel bad. Yeah, like that. Yeah, that looks like the movie Carrie. You ever see that, Luke?

This is pretty gross. Oh, yeah, buddy. Wow, all right. Luke, is she trying to make 45 for uh for some future plans or what this is how much blood i come out of the bathroom with after i've been to chipotle it's just so filthy that's just i mean just no sell my uh my legitimate mma question all right yeah okay luke uh well hey it's time for our head kick of the week luke and that comes from karate combats brian van weisberg the german yes yes shout out to them karate combat folks who blew us off and tried to give a big name star to another competitive show after lying to us but

hey you know it's they make fun highlights though all right hey luke a lot of talk about shogun hua tapping to strikes you down with this big muscle-bound guy at Fame MMA 8 clapping to strikes? Clapping? Yeah. That choke's not even in. The guy can't even fit his muscles around him. Dude, people who don't know what they're doing, they just panic, and he panicked. But this fight was like the all-steroid championship of the world,

which, you know me, I'm all in favor of. Yeah, I think even Mariusz Pudzianowski objected to this. Look, this is, yeah, this is, all right. Hey, let's go to the gym, Luke. You love gym mishaps, right? Sometimes the gym rack giveth and then it taketh away. Oh, wow. So hold on.

That is a hammer strength shoulder press so you have in your front yard which you have in your front yard by the way and this fucking ape took two bands and tried to do i guess a like a like a chest fly the fuck is he do oh that is that's the back you know what he just got pinned on bc you gotta go to the gyms that have their racks bolted to the floor you understand that is a big difference brutal well speaking of weird moments in the gym luke are you down with uh i think we call this punjabi tip to tip as long as it's among friends whoa where'd that video go all right i guess we don't have it luke we don't have it we don't have it all right okay but look at these these rednecks like we're gonna go fishing

for king cobras bah down in the swamp all right uh hey luke these quote these crazy covid quarantine times they are allowing one thing uh wild animals are now kind of pop you know populating among us with less traffic i had a giant bobcat in my yard the other night and check out this giant rat in the new york city subway look this is insane so this is a take on there there was a famous meme where a rat was seen pulling a slice of pizza in new york i just love how the other new yorkers like don't even front on this they're just like yeah let this crazy motherfucker go do his thing and we'll work around god dude do you miss taking this is like this is where we would get off to at like 40 second or whatever yeah I don't miss that fucking subway for two seconds I'd rather eat out of a out of a stand-up urinal Luke then

ever go back to that believe Believe that. All right. Hey, our Street Fighter of the Week, Luke, takes us to Flushing, New York. That's Queens. So what we don't see was there was a little bit of a fight. Bro, I saw this. Yeah, there was a fight in the street. A guy got a stick involved.

So the fight ends. But the guy with the stick wants to get one more swipe in. So watch what happens. Oh, my God. I saw this, bro. These motherfuckers. Whoop.ers dude he took him through the front of the bakery luke good lord try the croissants bitch i mean the fight was pretty brutal they had sticks and shit and then this guy in the car was like no you're you're not taking out my front headlight.

Oh, my God. And, dude, apparently this was all over a parking spot in Queens, New York. Like, what are these fucking people doing? And it's amazing no one was killed. I like how the other New Yorkers are like, nope, I'm done, donezo. This lady in the store still walks out the front door rather than the giant fucking hole that was created by the uh the uh the mercedes here watch this we'll play it one more time this is a tuesday morning in bogota there's no big deal right they get busy in these other parts of the world man they don't

suffer shit like you know super gladly watch so he gets lifted here and uh you know it's an outing look at look at a lady walk out she's like no walking out the door fuck y'all i'm not paying for that yep all right all right let's go back to the cage the czech republic from the promotion i am fighter luke look at peter gabal with a looping left hand and then look at the little walk-off salute oh look is that like Hitler? What is he doing there? Boom. Nice head kick. Nice looper, right? But what's that celebration? It's very Third Reich.

I don't know if I'm down with that. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. All right. Well, it was a nice little walk-off, okay? Oh, I saw that. Some kind of hand signal. Yeah, I don't know. Let's keep it on the regional scene, Luke, where you know regional MMA, anything can happen.

Have you ever seen a tornado body kick KO before, Luke? I guess I haven't. Wow, that looks like it hurts. Man, look at those logos on the mat. They printed that shit out at kinkos five minutes before the fight yeah what's that cage six feet six feet by eight feet look that is uh some tightness going on there speaking of regional mma luke this is about the most bizarre ending jay i can't see because i have to watch it on fucking uh zoom three so it could have been the head i think i

think he hit him in the head i think think it was a body kick Luke or Jay. I mean, come on. I know you're a former, it would have been like the top of his shoulder. If it was, no, he hit him in the liver on the other side.

Jay, come on. You know, where you, where you delivers on your right side. We'll, we'll slow down the videotape after the show. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. Okay. Uh, speaking of regional MMA, Luke, watch this DQ for slap. First of all, Oh God, we're all over the place here. All right. Uh, Okay. Speaking of regional MMA, Luke, watch this DQ for slap. First of all, God, we're all over the place here.

All right. This is a different clip altogether. Luke, don't drink and dive this holiday season. Okay. Yeah. Do we not have the regional scene DQ for slapping? And then the guy loses his shit and then the referee beats him up? No, I guess not.

All right. I don't know, but this guy's a hero all right we'll try to retrieve that for next week shout out to this drunken fellow luke that would have been you uh thursday night but uh yep yep yeah all right i have no idea what's coming up next here we go oh hey luke here's the entry from our canadian friends from 2000 a cL highlight for the ages, former NFL quarterback Kerwin Bell spikes it off his own bag, Luke, and then gets sent to hell on the ground. You down with this?

Did they throw the flag on him or the person who, like, shoved him? I don't know, but young Aaron Bronstetter was probably going nuts. Probably a huge Argos fan, right? That is hilarious. All right. A bunch of fucking C-listers. Your father will not be celebrating Thanksgiving with you due to COVID this year,

but let's go back pre-COVID and check him out on the high seas. This is what Rob Thomas was all about. Look at this dirtbag. Yeah. Take a bite out of crime, Luke. Yeah, you got to corral that guy, Luke. Dude, old McGruff hasn't lost his swag or his appetite, I should say. He's going to need an assist, though, Luke, to finish that job.

I mean, look at his skin. It has transformed into leather. How did these chicks get on that boat? I don't understand how we got here. It's like, how would you describe this guy's skin? It's like the color of pink mixed with dehydrated piss yes yes i'll give you that all right this has been all over the place we're almost done here luke we usually save our uh tip segment for friday but check out this industrious youth luke he couldn't find a lighter or a match

so he used his toaster to spark a J. You down with this intuition? Ingenuity? He couldn't just use the oven? To stick his own head in there? Yeah, I don't know, Luke. No, no, no, no. But like the top burner. Yeah, well, it depends what he has, you know?

Yeah, I guess. Yeah, he got it done. I mean, let's close with this, Luke. From some more ingenuity, if you can't find a cereal bowl and you're jonesing for some Honey Nut Cheerios, Luke, how about asking a friend? This won't get weird at all, right? I'm never going to do this for you. I hope you understand that.

Oh, my God. He's going to eat it out of the other guy's mouth? Wow. I mean mean what the fuck yeah that that's that's the shit of the week live you saw it thank you very much all right let me let me see him let me see him like just fucking Oh, Jesus Christ. This is the stupidest show on earth. Yeah, why do we do this show so many days a week? Hey, speaking of that, Luke, we got a bonus for people this week, don't we?

Yes. So we are not obviously going to have a live show on Friday because we are supposed to have some kind of life. So be sure to go to, uh, the Apple store and leave us a nice review for the podcast. And when you do leave a question in there, our intrepid producers will pull them all together and then we'll use that.

And we'll have a special sort of kind of like a DMS from donks episode is the way I would describe that BC, but the two of us at the same time. Yeah. Yes. By the way, uh, we have odds and ends, BC. What are your odds and ends? Yeah, so Joe Rogan made his much-ballyhooed return

to the UFC booth, I believe, for the first time since what? Habib? Is that correct? Sounds about right. It's been a while. August or so? It's been a while. August or something like that?

Luke, apparently I'm finding out after the fact that I might be in the minority here. I loved Saturday Night's broadcast, and I might say the combination of John Anik, Joe Rogan, and Daniel Cormier, I think it's my favorite combination in UFC history. All three might not be the best ever at their specific role, but this combination is fun,

and I think it comes down to what you prefer. You know what I want? You know, I know enough, Luke, about technique and stuff. I don't know it all. I like when they tell me, oh, if this guy does this, he can get a submission. That's fine. But you know what I really want? I want fun. I want two dudes, three dudes feeling like

they could be next to me on the couch having a beer. These three are fun. The chemistry's off the charts. I think this is my favorite combination to ever do it i mean i love me some ja i love me some more ronaldo maybe more with the best of all time but this three together luke i loved it i loved it it felt great again yeah i didn't i didn't and it's here's the funny thing it's like each well john annick is he's usually good no matter what and he was good here and and to be clear it's not really a knock on Rogan or DC which is to say when DC is in the zone commentating he he he has given the best wrestling based commentary really of any UFC commentator ever and I think

that's a very fair statement and obviously Rogan's been doing this a long time and has a narrative to give along with various points of insight along the way. And again, you're right. Really, it just comes down to what do you prefer. I want them to have a good time, and I want them to – if they're not having a good time, you can't expect anybody else to. But I like it when there's a little bit of contrast and they stay on track a little bit more. To me, it almost sounded like a fight companion podcast

more than a commentary. It did, and that's, I think, why I loved it. And look, I think Dominic Cruz is probably... I think Dominic Cruz might be the best they have in terms of actually breaking things down. I know a lot of people love BizPing, and he can be fun as well. I just think these three men, they were just...

I mean, it was almost like John Anik was sitting back and letting it be the Rogan and DC show, but they were, it was, uh, they were on a roll, Luke. Okay. They were on a roll. But I mean, I mean, it should, I mean, again, it's also going to depend on personal preference, what the producers want it to sound like. There's a lot of moving factors or moving parts, I should say. But for me, I was a little too silly, a little too goofy. I am actually looking for as much insight as not as much, but I'm looking for a sufficient amount of insight that is possible given the

expertise of the people speaking. And I feel like you get that better when you have Rogan and Cruz or, you know, Dan Hardy and DC. I think those combinations tend to get you a little bit more of what I am looking for. I also feel like Rogan was a little bit rusty, which is understandable given that he'd been off for so long. I mean looking for. I also feel like Rogan was a little bit rusty, which is understandable, given that he'd been off for so long.

I mean, for folks who don't understand this, he used to do all the UFCs, all of them, even the fight nights, because that was just the way it worked. And then he got paired back to most, but not all of them. Like, he would do the Fox shows and the pay-per-views and blah, blah, blah.

And then it was just pay-per-views. And now, even, it's only some pay-per-views, because he's not traveling to Abu Dhabi for them and obviously a big portion of this year has been fights putting over there so he's actually doing the fewest amount of UFC shows he's done since he started maybe to be quite honest with you August was the last time right yeah um well here's the thing look every announcer who's been around forever hits a point where they're where they're post-prime. They're aftermarket.

They're even washed to a degree. I actually think Rogan's aftermarket right now. I just enjoy the shtick that comes with that that I don't get irritated if he misses things or if he's a little bit off. It only fuels the enjoyment more. Luke, who is your favorite team? I'm not saying an all-star team.

I'm saying, do you have a favorite team in mixed martial arts history? I don't know. I don't know. I think Morrow is great. We don't get enough of him in MMA. I know he's been doing a lot of Showtime boxing stuff, which is awesome, but I really miss him in MMA. John Anik's great. So either of those

two guys. If we're talking about UFC teamsc teams i like gooden hardy and dc uh i also like annick rogan and cruz if we're talking bellator you know obviously morrow big john and uh john uh uh john thompson strong trio we haven't seen enough of that trio that's a strong trio right there exactly so uh so that's sort of where I'm at. What about you? I think this three might be my favorite. And I've always gone to bat for this and people don't like it. I think Randy Couture is one of the best fight commentators of all time. I don't really listen to his work today because I don't watch a ton of...

Is he still doing PFL? I don't even know. But Luke, I thought when he was still in his UFC prime and was working on some of those mid-broadcasts, meaning mid in the transition to the modern period, he was uh you know still in his ufc prime and was working on some of those mid broadcast meaning you know mid in the transition to the modern period he was fantastic obviously i love me some old school jeff blatnik and stuff like that but uh give me give me give me a fun broadcast luke okay that's what i want that's all i want all right fair enough it's just again it's really going to be a function of what the what the producers want and what the individual i know you're a diehard goldie fan yeah you're a diehard goldie fan. Yeah, you're a diehard Goldie fan.

I've been so right about that. I've been so right about that guy from day one. I got so much pushback when I was like, I don't think he's very good. Everyone was like, oh my God, he's the best. And now you can't even find a defender. So, you know, head of the curve. Also for mine, I got a couple of these.

One, we mentioned the Cody Garbrandt thing, but the other one I want to mention was Lex McMahon has been a long time, uh, MMA manager. I think he's the promoter of Titan FC as well. And this past week or weekend or whatever, I'm not sure exactly what day it was. He said, you know what? I owe my fighters something, which is i should get in there and experience this for myself so he got into the cage bc and uh he fought in a pro contest there he is he's like 40 something and he won jack he won it right yeah look at him he won via choke from

the back so uh you know everyone in mma is expected to fight at some point which i think is a fairly ridiculous expectation but it's just sort of the way things are well he met the call he heard it and there he is and he got a i'm not sure what round it was i didn't even see the fight but i did see the result and i thought it was kind of interesting so shouts to lex mcmahon look at with cigar, BC. You got to respect that, huh? American flag upside down in the background. That's always nice. Anyway.

A lot of COVID waiting to happen in that picture. Yeah, yeah. But shouts to Lex McMahon for putting it on the line and getting it out there. And good job by him. He was quite aggro right there. Very Vince McMahon of him, Luke, to, you know, enter into the fray, right?

Yeah, I guess so. So, that's my odds and ends bc uh all right so we should talk about this wednesday we're going to have a show we're going to preview the uh the tyson and roy jones jr ridiculousness there is a ufc show this weekend if i'm not mistaken so we'll talk about that um and also be on the lookout i will be chatting with derrick lewis this week on morning combat as a bonus effort there. Also Francis and Gano,

you'll be getting a little bit of that Luke. I'm also going to be chatting with Danny Garcia and Errol Spence, a big week for, for a short week, a lot of interviews coming your way. And I don't want to declare it because last time we declared it, it was not true. Although not our call,

they're supposed to be the documentary coming out this week maybe even tomorrow but maybe maybe you know who really knows bc not you or me i know that yeah yeah uh yeah uh it maybe maybe we'll see it look okay we'll see uh as a sort of a standard disclaimer like and subscribe if you want to get some of this Showtime merch for your folks, Black Friday is coming up. We offer you no sales, but hey, you can go get it. Store.show.com. If you want to try Showtime, you certainly can. Showtime.com.

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no one's going to tell you to stick to sports, Luke, okay? So do you have any message for someone who's thinking about getting hit in the road, going to see their family during the holiday season and spreading that vid all around the globe, Luke? Well, if you give Grandma

COVID over Thanksgiving, call the funeral home and tell her she'll be in there around New Year's. So this is what I would say. Yeah, alright. Yes, be safe everybody. We'll see you on Wednesday of course. Always bonus. We got so much bonus coming out here.

You know what? People should pay us. Like and subscribe bro. Yeah, just subscribe already. I mean, look, what else do you want us to do, right? I mean, come on. So we got tons. We actually have a lot of content coming your way by virtue of bc's interviews the document the documentary the wednesday show the actual the planned friday show a whole lot of stuff so be on the lookout okay and also maybe look if we don't get to 75k before the new year luke here's our here's our plea to the people if we don't get to 75k

it's going to be a three-man show starting in 2021 and i think you know who that third man will be not the guy with the hat all right although he was wearing one today jaron we'll bring jaron in until we get to 75k okay yeah wearing a las vegas fuck fucking raiders hat. Not Raiders. I'm sorry. Golden Knights. I mean, what a dipshit this guy is. Jay, it's your time. It's up to the people. They want more Jay in their life?

Don't subscribe. Dude, why do you like the Golden Knights? Understand something. His favorite teams are the Yankees. I'm sure Duke. He hasn't told me that, but I bet he roots for Duke. The Dallas Cowboys. And now the expansion fucking Darlings. You are pathetic as a sports fan Jay no sir I'm a New York Rangers fan for life this hat was free uh so I have it

and it matches well motherfucker you could send me a Philly Flyers or Penguins hat I'm gonna burn that shit and make my Thanksgiving Loma El Trapo on top of it any any philly thing i would never i would never wear i would never wear red socks uh anything there are lines that that can't be crossed but the vegas golden knights if you remember were the new york rangers they like got a bunch of their players when they started they were like rangers west mk listeners the las vegas golden knights right here this could be your future could be yeah well and when the capitals played them what happened that's right stanley cup champions over here motherfucker how about that okay wow that's a hell of an nhl flex out of you there luke yeah took ovechkin's entire career uh for to get one

that's great hey we got one i don't want to hear shit anymore all right all right all right 4j 4malka 4showtime that's brian campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. We will see you on Wednesday, but plenty of content here on the channel all week long. And until then, may all of your gains be loyal. We'll be right back. you