MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC 256 Recap : Figueiredo-Moreno Draw, Oliveira Wins | Yoel Romero | Anthony Joshua | Ep. 93

Episode Date: December 14, 2020

MK returns for episode 94 as Luke and Brian recap a massive weekend of combat sports. They breakdown the Figueiredo-Moreno draw at UFC 256 and debate whether it was the right call (4:55). Plus, Charles Oliveira dominated Tony Ferguson, should he get the winner of McGregor Poirier II (22:15)? Breaking News Yoel Romero signs with Bellator (39:25). In the boxing world, Anthony Joshua stopped Kubrat Pulev in the ninth round, will we see Fury vs. Joshua (48:25)? --------------------------------- 'Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit: store.sho.com   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat  To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

it's a heshy appreciation Monday right here Morning Combat. It's the 14th of December 2020. Hi everyone, my name is Luke Thomas and this show is already off the rails and it's 5 seconds in. How are you doing? We are coming off of a week of UFC 256, Joshua vs. Pulev, and a bunch of other stuff. I'm from CBS Sports and I'm joined by my co-host, who is also from CBS Sports. It is the inimitable Brian Campbell. What up, BC? Yo, Luke. I'd like to say what's up to our audience of diehard MK subscribers and watchers.

And also, what's up to the large population that won't be watching today, Luke? Because they got their fill from the show on your personal channel yesterday. So shout out to them as well. You're so wrong. If anything, it promotes it. It is absolutely absurd. All the topics we're about to talk about, you've already heard them. Let's do it.

It's morning combat. If that were the case, then it wouldn't work for me on Mondays when I used to do it off my post-fight show. It actually is not true. It's a totally incorrect way to think about it. But you know what? It doesn't really matter because we still have to get your opinion, BC. And maybe that's the most important opinion there is. But first things first, we have to thank the folks at Showtime that make this show possible. If you want to try Showtime, you certainly can.

Showtime.com, you can get it for 30 days for free if you want such a thing. If not, you can go F yourself. If you want some merch, by the way, we will have some codes for cheaper merch. I think soon, if not already. For store.show.com for MK merch. I will share those codes with you when we officially have them ready to go. But expect that if you've been looking for that kind of a thing. Unless you live outside of Los Angeles.

In which case, you'll get nothing. But there is that. And then, what else, BC? Like the video. Hit subscribe. We did some good progress with what else, BC? Like the video. Hit subscribe. We did some good progress with the instant reaction vids over the weekend. Thanks for everyone who checked those out. Yeah, a lot of different stuff.

What am I forgetting? You know, maybe you already do the 30-day showtime thing because there's a lot of good shit to watch, Luke, all right? There is. I'm going to watch. I missed it yesterday, but I'm going to start watching that Bryan Cranston show, Your Honor. I'm looking forward to seeing that. That looks good the com dude everyone's telling me now about this comedy store docuseries uh we're in between back-to-back weeks of showtime boxing

i mean come on there's a lot to check out on there uh you know thank you for all our folks okay also you love us on mk be sure to check out luke and i on cbs sports hq your 24 7 streaming all sports network uh where we are regulars on there interviewing people giving our analysis Be sure to check out Luke and I on CBS Sports HQ, your 24-7 streaming all-sports network where we are regulars on there interviewing people, giving our analysis and our takes post-fight Saturday night. So a lot of good stuff in the larger ViacomCBS family, Luke, okay? We're moving product. Those are the labels that pay us. Let's keep going after it.

All right, well, with that in mind, we've got to get this process started because we had two big events over the weekend, as I mentioned, UFC 256 and Joshua versus Pulev. Let's put boxing on the back burner for just a moment. And let's start with the last pay-per-view of 2020 UFC 256. So BC in the main event, Devis and Figueredo and Brandon Moreno fought to a draw. Is that the right conclusion for this? What can only be described as epic flyweight main event yeah i think it is in the end depending luke upon where you stood specifically on round two

i went back and re-watched this absolute instant classic this morning uh you know didn't have twitter didn't have other things you know looking for my attention here i've watched it in black and white i've smeared peanut butter on the screen. I've watched it without the announcers. I've seen it every way you can, Luke, 48 times at least. And I'll tell you this, that I thought it was guaranteed that Figueredo won round one, guaranteed that he won round five, guaranteed that Moreno won rounds four and most likely three with the point deduction.

I think the real swing round in this is round two, a completely even round. Both had equal amounts of moments. Moreno probably got it on many people's scorecards because of those two takedowns. Maybe not. It seemed back and forth. If you had Figueiredo winning round two, you probably had this fight to draw, Luke, with the point deduction. And if you had Moreno, he certainly had a strong argument to be made uh it's one of those luke where everyone wins on a draw and that is so rare in sports because it's normally it's in the fight game the whole you know kissing your sister type of feeling uh not hopefully none of us have had that feeling luke

outside of west virginia but uh this fight was great. I thought that they were both properly elevated, and Luke, can I give three or four real quick shout-outs to really what made this fight just frickin' ridiculous? Please. Alright. Moreno's chin and balls, of course, but even deeper, Moreno's poison presence, Luke, there was a great tweet. You know, they

run those Twitters on the air, and most of the time it sucks on the UFC broadcast, except for the time they ran mine at the start of round five but they ran one from Anthony Pettis who was just like you know the the glare of the lights on the title level it's just different not everybody shows up and that is so true we've seen so many guys look great on the rise and they get there Luke and they either can't produce the best of themselves or the best of themselves isn't good enough let's let's focus on one of the pure things that we love about this game when we watch somebody say they're going to

do something and in this case Brandon Moreno step up and do it at worst I thought he deserved a draw that he got his performance not only showed you that he's super elite but he was in there with an absolute killer who was loading up on every single strike. And Moreno, good lord, took that well. And let's flip it to Figueiredo real quick, Luke, before I throw it back to you. Here's a guy who should be absolutely exhausted. He cuts weight from such a high starting point. He goes hard for five rounds, throwing knockout punches basically every single strike, and yet he was the fresher guy in round five

that seemed to solidify not losing his title with his performance in that round. There is so much man in that cage on Saturday night. I cannot believe the gas tanks of both, the heart of both, the chins, but specifically Moreno's presence, Luke. You know, we don't know. Is this him moving forward?

We don't know. But on the night that he needed to be, he was worthy of the moment. And considering how great Figueiredo's been this year, we can't overlook that. This wasn't a great fight because Figueredo, you know, had any sort of negatives. They both brought their A game, and it was on par with each other. I think it's worth focusing on Brandon Moreno for just a second. Folks, man, I realize this. This is his second draw in five fights.

He had a draw against Askarov in in 2019 and now he's got to draw again against uh figueredo and it was kind of interesting bc is you know if you're the promoter probably what's best for you is for figueredo to be this towering figure this towering inferno like what's his name the six six donk from the spence garcia card fun fun i forget his name anyway yeah you want a towering inferno right you want someone in that division who just stands apart because it's easier to market that way and i understand that it would be great to see that but it also is kind of cool that like there's actually a little bit more depth in this division maybe than we realized

it had a lot of figures that got cut and that's unfortunate it'd be nice if sahuda was still there it'd be nice if demetrius Johnson was still there, but that's not the world we live in, and even Juicier Formiga, if he was still there. But what we have is still pretty good, if not better than that, and everyone is sort of leveling up kind of at the same time.

Not at the same pace, per se, but everyone is taking those leaps and bounds of growth by virtue of their youth and the game itself, having best practices being shared more readily. I'm just sort of pointing out Brandon Moreno won, as I mentioned, second draw in five fights. Two, he had a three-fight losing streak, then won in a three-fight winning streak. Sort of shows that the maturation process is uneven. But how can you watch this fight and say, is he the best flyweight on earth? I didn't come away with that impression, but in your interview, BC, he said, what's going to carry me forward or my huevos, my eggs,

but he doesn't mean eggs. He means testicles, baby, please. And buddy, they were not necessarily on display in a literal way, but in a figurative way, did you not feel, BC, at any point in that fight that there was no way you could look at it and say, oh, well, Moreno, you know, he might last, but he's out of it. I never thought he was out of it. He always fought and matched Figueiredo's intensity for 25 minutes. So if you had him win, if you had him not winning, fine, there's a debate to be had there. But you could never look at that fight and say, you know what, one guy's kind of pacing the other one here he was there ready to fight ready to win believing he could win for 25 minutes I kind of feel like this was the moment that the flyweight division needed not so much just getting a champion because remember even that was an uneven process where

figure out how to beat Benavidez twice for that to happen this was the first really happy moment for this division since all the chaos all the confusion all of the disorder and it comes from only a great fight but a maturation process and a standout performance even from the guy who was on the sort of losing end of things in the sense that he wasn't able to get the title obviously figueredo keeps it in a draw really a nice moment for that whole class i mean it validates every every idea we had about the debate of keeping it and believe me because dana sat on the throne without taking a piss for so long kind of dangling it out there there were many times where i was publicly saying just get rid of the division already just make a decision right i'm so glad that they kept it because there are so many savages here competing at such a high level. By the way, I did want to throw a tiny bit of shade

to that third judge who had the fight even, but gave the fifth round to Moreno. I thought Moreno matched or exceeded what Figge was doing for basically the solid four rounds in such really stunning ways. I mean, look, there were moments where Figueiredo was like, F it. This guy wants to mess with me. I'm going to bite down and give it to him. And I thought he gave every possible thing he had, every strong and creative strike to be like, alright, you hung around this long, eat this. And Moreno

kept eating it. The only thing he sort of did wrong, Luke, was carry a stupid high pace for four rounds and then have a moderate one in round five in which Figueiredo was able to outwork him. The third judge did give that round to Moreno, though, but if he didn't, it still would have been a draw. It would have been a split draw as opposed to a majority draw.

So no harm, no foul in the end. But you nailed it. Look, this fight, but really this year as a whole, Luke, was validating to the flyweights. It wasn't without controversy or second guessing, especially when Figueredo missed weight, as you mentioned, with Benavidez. But now we have a potential breakout star, certainly in Figueredo. We have a supporting cast of guys who, at any time, they can win the fight. You know what I mean?

I want to see Askar Askarov at this freaking level very soon. Cody Garbrandt wants to parachute in. Who knows what's going to happen next, Luke? I did want to ask you super fast, and we're going to get to our year-end awards in a couple weeks, but there was a lot riding on this fight for Figueroa. Figueredo. Figure me out.

Sorry about that. I think I just had a seizure. Luke, what I was saying is, Figueredo, if this fight didn't happen, he would have been my fight of the year. If he lost, he probably would have lost the award. What does a draw do to that? I was wondering the same thing myself I still think it's enough to get it because of the level of activity and all the previous wins and then this one was at a bare minimum exciting and he didn't lose and again I feel like the two acceptable outcomes

here would have been a draw or a figurado win I I'm a little bit less inclined to agree that an outright Moreno win is the way to go I did feel like the commentators got a little bit less inclined to agree that an outright Moreno win is the way to go. I did feel like the commentators got a little bit lost in how well he was doing. And I understand that to a degree, right? I mean, he was, you know, it depends on one's expectations. But it was somewhat surprising he was able to get the takedowns Moreno was. He was able to, you know, totally do well in the scramble. You thought, okay, maybe Moreno will hold his own on the feet. Maybe he won't.

But on the ground, that'll be a bit of a rough area for him. And it was actually kind of the opposite in many ways. So I think that there was an understandable case to be forgiving of the commentators for getting a little too far into it. But I didn't agree that that was a win. I didn't agree that he won that fight or that was a plausible case you could make in the end. But getting back to Figueiredo, yeah, I still think so. Now, if Kevin Holland comes back and next week beats Hamzat Shemya,

which seems unlikely that they're even going to make that thing, but if that was somehow able to get done, then it'd be interesting because you would have a guy winning more fights in much quicker succession, albeit not at the championship level. So then who would get it? But without that really happening, and even if that happened, it's just hard to overlook somebody fighting at a championship level so then who would get it but without that really happening and even if that happened it's just hard to overlook somebody fighting at a championship level basically every time and the worst you can say about it is he had a draw in maybe that division's most exciting fight

ever you know it's still kind of figueredo it's just not in a landslide let me steal the mic from you and just say yeah right there are different levels If it was a flat draw where you said, wow, maybe you shouldn't come back after three weeks. He was flat. No, this was a performance where both guys completely elevated to the point where we're going to have this debate right now. What do we do with this fight, Luke? Where does it fit into the potential fight of the year rankings?

Is it the greatest 125 fight of all time? I said on CBS Sports HQ because it was 1.30 a.m. and I was delusional that this felt like the fight of all time. I said on CBS Sports HQ, because it was 1.30 a.m. and I was delusional, that this felt like the fight of my lifetime. In the moment, there was just something so special about it, from the point deductions to the uncertainty of the scorecards to the savagery. I don't think it's

better than Ioana and Whaley, who gave us their lives. I was sitting there front row. I was nervous as heck. There was an alien coming out of Ioana's skull and I still would have IG'd her. But, Luke, what do we do with it? I would say I went back and I rewatched the women's fight. I even forgot that that was this year.

That seems like such a life. Anything pre-pandemic just feels like it took place in 2019. But I went back and I rewatched it. And I agree with you I think that the fight of the year is is Ian Jacek and Wiley Zhang and the reason why is one they had overall much higher output if you look at the amount of significant strikes landed in Figueredo and Moreno it was a bit mid-130s which is extremely high but in the case of Zhang and Ioana it was 160s and higher so they had much higher output plus in the fifth round this and Ioana, it was 160s and higher. So they had much higher output. Plus,

in the fifth round, this fight from Saturday, it kind of, you know, it died down in the fifth a little bit as both guys got somewhat conservative. It was the opposite in Ioana and Jay Cech and Zhang Wai Li. I mean, they stepped on the gas pedal in the fifth and went after each other. So BC, it's hard for me to believe that the best women's fight is not better than maybe the first or even second best men's flyweight fight i mean that's a little bit imprecise way of saying it um but going back to the pudding that fifth round differentiator for me is what sells it for the women yeah but don't qualify this is the best flyweight fight in ufc history i mean come on men's this is i mean really straight it's a it was for the title five freaking rounds of savagery and drama i mean

it was okay yeah it's fine it's fine i mean you know you could put johnson and dodson too up there i think had a fair bit of drama as well um i mean yes so hudo benavidez was pretty good not for a title but that was pretty damn good that was a contender that year that it happened. Also, let's not forget this year that the Hooker-Poirier five-round war was also in this conversation. Yeah, I mean, this was the best fight at the apex

since Poirier versus Hooker, right? Would you agree with that? Yeah, definitely. Definitely would agree with that. I mean, look, that's the one thing I texted you re-watching. This is a modern classic, straight up It's not a, you know, I said I love you On the first night because I was caught up in the moment No, this is the goods right here

We're going to be re-watching this Luke for years You and me together Dana White said BC that they want to run this one Back immediately, is that the right call? See you know That's a good question because I hadn't even thought about that Yeah, it is Because you can't penalize Moreno Now there are times right, Cole? See, you know, that's a good question because I hadn't even thought about that. Yeah, it is because what are you going to,

you can't penalize Moreno. Now, there are times, I mean, like, look, it's very rare that you get a draw in a championship fight, right? The stat was

that the last time was the Wonderboy Tyron Woodley one from UFC 205 and that did get an immediate rematch, but it's very rare and there are times

where you get a draw but you still feel like you knew who won. Again, it's pretty much a draw i've been pretty much a draw that i'd love to give 10 10 for round two luke i really would because it was that even so it's pretty much a damn draw i think you got to do it i think you got to find out um this would not be the time to substitute cody garbrand in for star power because the winner of this rematch is going to have a chance to be their own star so let's let's run it back yeah it all depends on the calendar and what's available and when they want to put it because you're right the Cody Garbrandt thing just kind of looms large to me yes you need to do a rematch when I say immediate I

don't mean next month it could be first quarter or something in 2021 remember these guys only had three weeks to prepare for this now they fought each other for 25 minutes. How would it look a second time? There's a reason to think that one direction or the other, it could look pretty different. They could adopt a pretty different strategy to see where they get. Moreno could build off of those takedowns. You never know. Figueredo could build off of something else that he was doing really well. It's just with Cody Garbrandt, it's hard to say, right? We know that he's still dealing with some of these COVID symptoms like brain fog and blood clots. Is he going to be ready? If he, it's hard to say, right? We know that he's still dealing with some of these COVID symptoms like brain fog and blood clots. Is he going to be ready?

If he is, I got to say, BC, you know, you just know this game as well as I do. They're probably going to sub him in. So it really is, where are they putting in the calendar? And then to what extent is Cody Garbrandt going to be ready? The winner of that fight will probably get Brandon Moreno if they end up going that direction. It just sucks because we still don't have an answer of who's the best flyweight in the world

right now. Like we think it's Figueredo, but good God, we just saw Moreno empty his life into that cage. So I want to get that answer, Luke. Okay. I need the sequel. All right, let's do it. That's the last thing. I said this on the instant reaction, BC, so don't get too bitter about it. Wait, which one? The one on the MK? It was on MK. Oh, okay. It was on MK. But it's true.

It's like, I think Figueredo was beginning, not to believe his own hype in some kind of way where he wasn't crossing his T's and dotting his I's. The good news about Figueredo's size is that he has to do the work to get his weight down. Otherwise, he just won't even make weight for this. So he almost has this like ball and chain that is requiring him to put in the amount of effort in camp through diet, through training. So in that sense, you know, I'm not too worried about things. Well, here's what I mean, BC. He was walking into this fight, you know, really believing, again, not his own hype, but you could just sense his confidence was at an all-time high. And why shouldn't it be? You demolished Benavidez twice.

You beat Perez. Blah, blah, blah. The list goes on. And I'm glad to see that he has matured into the talent that he has. But at the same time, I feel like this fight was one of those things where it's like, dude, if you slip at all in this game, whether through fouls, because by the way, dude, he had a ton of fouls in this fight. Or, you know, you're just not on your game that day.

One of these young, hungry flyweights is going to take it from you. And Brandon Marino got this close to doing it. Well, here's what's crazy is, just to close on that point, to be able to keep that up, which is walking around with 0% body fat and inflating 20 pounds after the weigh-in um it almost explains and fuels his style as a finisher because it's not natural to go five rounds with after that kind of cut with that situation that's why i cannot say enough about the pace figueredo kept up for 25 minutes and that he was the fresher fighter in

the final round of this fight but luke while you you can argue, and Sugar Rashad did on this show, that the short turnaround was better for him to keep the weight off and make it, you do wonder, being too active, is that going to be a problem? Because physically he's taxing himself so much to make these weight cuts and now having to go five hellacious rounds. Is it better to take more time off to rest and heal, or does that always restart the process of this very difficult cut? I'm not sure what the right balance of that is moving forward.

I still have fears that he consistently can make this, but, God, if you can go five rounds at that pace against a killer like Moreno, maybe BC should shut up in his basement, right? Maybe we should stop having this conversation. Yeah, we'll see how it goes. If he just keeps making weight, like Habib eventually just figured out how to make weight it's over for a lot of you folks out there uh okay let's go to point number two bc so tony ferguson not only

loses in the co-main event at ufc 236 256 excuse me he got dominated i want to start on the positive end of things bc and that means acknowledging the victor here. That means acknowledging Charles Oliveira, BC. He wins 30-26 on all three judges' scorecards. He turned Ferguson's arm into almost broken spaghetti in the first round. What is your biggest takeaway about the Brazilians' performance? Yeah, good question because it feels like Tony Ferguson owned the lead-up to this fight,

and he's owning the post-fight narrative too in opposite ways. But look, the biggest takeaway is that Charles Oliveira continues to show me in the past couple years that he's better than I thought he was, and maybe even way better. I mean, this is an insane eight-fight win streak. Not insane in the quality per se, because we did talk about that coming in

had he had enough legitimate elite level threats to to feel comfortable picking him against Tony Ferguson on paper I said no because I was living under the rule that no matter what you just can't bet against Tony he's that surreal different weird special all that but what Charles Oliveira did just nobody does that to Tony and nobody except Tony Luke really does what he's doing right now which is in the sports most dangerous division the deepest division where maybe I didn't love all the names he's beating because they weren't top 10 guys they're still tough as nails because this division 155 just produces nothing but killers I mean he's rolling through these guys he's got the UFC submission record by like three over Damian Maia,

who's been around a lot longer. He is absolute world class. And it's not just the well rounding of his game. It's just, I mean, look at him with the damn silver hair. It's just, he's walking around with so much confidence that he's an elite stud that I'm at the point where let's find out. I mean, like give this guy a title shot. I don't believe Habib is ever fighting again.

Give this guy the winner of Dustin and Connor. Like what else do we have to say about him, Luke? He is everything right now. And I want to find out if that means he beat an older Ferguson or he really is everything and he could legitimately be holding this title six, nine months from now. Yeah, he'd be a hell of a fight for Habib as well you know on the feet could hold his own on the ground maybe he wouldn't be able to fight off the takedown but so what so what if he couldn't fight off the

takedown at that point it'd be an extremely interesting fight to see how they would match up I don't think that we'll get it I think you're right I don't think there's any way that Nurmagomedov comes back or at least it seems unlikely at this, but it is something to ponder about how that would go. But just speaking about this moment on Saturday, let's just say it outright. You can't make this claim ahead of time, but there is reason to believe that Charles Oliveira could become a UFC lightweight champion. It's not crazy. It's not crazy at all. He might be, we can't declare that he is, but he might be the best guy in the world at 155 pounds. To be on the run that he's been on is pretty impressive. To do what he's been doing to the guys before this fight is pretty impressive. And I know we'll talk

about Tony and his state of things in just a second, but I rewatched that fight three or four times now. In the second and third rounds, there's a lot that Tony does right to defend himself. And still he couldn't really get much going at all because Charles Oliveira was in total and complete command. So in addition to sort of just saying that this guy could be the best 155-pounder on earth, again, I'm not saying that he is, but he's not far from that consideration. Understand, excuse me, this guy made his debut about 10 years ago on the card which was UFC Jones Matyushenko this was August 1st 2010 BC August 1st 2010 the fight that preceded Oliveira's debut was Rob Kimmons versus Steve Steinbeiss and you might be like, who? Right. That's the point. This guy began his UFC run in a completely different moment in time in MMA.

A utterly different world. He made his debut, I guess, on Facebook. But the main card was on Versus. Right? This is a totally different universe. And he was a very different fighter. Sometimes fighters start this early in the UFC, and then they wash out, and maybe they come back.

He stuck around, and we talked about it on Friday, BC. He had his ups and his downs. How many weeks in a row, whether it is Brandon Moreno, whether it is Marvin Vittori, or whether it is now Charles Oliveira, do you have to see, and I don't mean the proverbial you, not you specifically, BC, where fighters start in the UFC at a very young age, and they're good, but they're not great.

In fact, they've got some pretty noticeable flaws. But if they stick around long enough and they get just enough wins to hang around, and remember, Moreno washed out for a time, but if they come back and they keep building on what they have and their youth is not so much a hindrance but a boon for their future, look at what they can become now just because someone is young in the UFC doesn't mean they're ultimately going to become the next world beater but you've got to be careful about making a label about who somebody is or what they can be

when they're 23 years old when they're 25 years old this guy is now 31 BC and I want to make one final point here I'll pitch it back to you which is you can know how to strike and you can know how to wrestle and you can know how to do submissions, but that doesn't mean you actually know how to fight because there's something broader about fighting, which is recognizing certain opportunities, knowing when to push, knowing when to hit the break, knowing what kind of strategy you want to use at a certain time, right? Having a calmness about the process, getting rid of stupid rookie mistakes. Dude, he is so far past all of that. His range command was excellent here.

He knew exactly what his task was, and he carried it out to nearly perfection. This guy hasn't just improved as in all the different pieces, the composite martial arts of MMA BC, but overall his mind, his experience and understanding how to fight. He is a legitimate threat to that title. And he is a threat to anybody at 155 pounds. Luke, you have the cadence of a college professor. I'm very, you know, transfixed and I'm there and I'm with you. You just did a better job than I did of sort of explaining my opening point. I mentioned Olivera's confidence that was sort of the musk that attracted me, but it was sort of there was an unknown element to it.

And I think that after listening to you say that, I'm realizing there are two different kinds of confidences in the fight game. There's just the balls out, I'm going to refuse to even acknowledge the things that I haven't done yet or don't have or the fear that should be here. And I'm just going to be a warrior and walk through and go after it. And someone like O'Connor McGregor, right, had a just next level, deep, magical level of confidence that he was able to envision things before he achieved them and that kind of stuff. That's a special thing to itself. I feel like Oliveira's got the other kind of confidence right now, which basically says,

I've been here before and I failed. I've done this. And he's got the other kind of confidence right now, which basically says, I've been here before and I've failed. I've done this. And he's got the experience of two separate two-fight losing skids and kind of being written off at various times, where that fuels if you put your complete game together, mentally, physically, emotionally, your training and nutrition. Where he is right now at the super elite, full speed ahead levels, we're seeing the very top ceiling of what he can be be and it's fun to watch when you see that because here's

a guy that goes in there with the confidence not that i'm going to be this badass and and take you out but that everything you show to me i prepared i've seen it before and i know how to beat it it's scary look when somebody is riding that level of belief in themselves it can get scary and it's very fun to watch so i think he's's riding that, but can we flip the switch on Tony here? Um, I don't know. So then the same question, your biggest takeaway from him. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to come on here and write the old bit. Uh, certainly not right. These are two hellacious back-to-back tough fights. Justin Gaethje, Charles Oliveira, both would have either given him the title or put him in position to fight for it in some ways. But there's a saying, Luke, I don't know if you're into like YouTube boxing breakdown

analysts, but there's this divorce lawyer in California named Richard Dwyer. He used to play a lot of his sound on my boxing podcast back in the day. He's got this quote, Luke, don't fall in love with a fighter who no longer exists. And that's a quote based on the idea of you know holding somebody to their aura and their legend when the magic is gone and um the tony ferguson of the 12 fight win streak luke he doesn't exist anymore and that doesn't mean at 36 that he's donezo but it means for now on this super elite level and this narrative that we've been holding for so long of when's tony finally going to get that chance to cash in on everything he's built, the win streak, the pound-for-pound ranking, the badassness,

bringing the damn baseball, doing all the weird stuff that he does, giving you gifts after the public workout. We never got to see him freaking cash in on it. And that was really my biggest takeaway almost from the whole card, even separate from the flyweights, was that I felt like, Luke, we saw something end and something else begin. And maybe that beginning is Charles Olivera now be taken seriously as a major title threat,

but he took Tony Ferguson spot in that conversation by the way he dominated him. And by the way that Tony, while yes, looking flat, yes, looking not like the prime version of himself, every Avenue that he tried to open up just got shut right in his face luke not the same guy anymore and it's sad to see not sad to see because i'm some tony super fan but you want to see somebody have the chance to prove that they are that guy he got so close to getting that chance for reasons outside of his own control and i don't know if he's ever going to get that chance now Luke yeah I there's

not a whole lot I disagree with except I would partly listen I'll say this in terms of what opportunities he might get going forward you would have to be a little bit concerned because even when he was on that epic winning streak the poor guy couldn't get a title shot we could say it on the show very easily he deserved bigger opportunities than he ultimately got. And I'm saying that not right now because he's owed something by virtue of tenure. He was owed something when he was on that win streak. And yes, I know some of that was just injury getting in the way. And I'm not saying the UFC didn't try to make the Habib fight.

They tried five effing times. There's just a lot of circumstances that were just bad luck. But in terms of what he was able to cash in on to use your words based on what he had accomplished the game did him wrong a little bit whether it was by accident or by intention it just did and I think we should say that out loud and I am on the other hand if you're our Tony fan if he wasn't getting those opportunities when he was winning and now he losing, and he's losing quite badly. He didn't get finished in this one, but he got pretty much as close as you can without getting finished.

Utterly dominated. 30-26 across the board. I mean, Jesus Christ. That is bad, right? Well, not just that. Just dominated on the ground, like ragdolled and sat on, Luke. You haven't seen this. No, you just haven't seen this no you just

haven't and it was funny i was i here's the thing from ebc and i did say this on my youtube channel but it bears repeating because i would love to get your impression of this it's not science in fact what i'm about to tell you is very much just like i don't really know what it means but bc you ever see things in life where you have a hard time like if someone asked you to defend it you couldn't really defend it but it just still sticks with you. It still seeps into your mind, and it has a powerful effect. I noticed at the beginning of this fight, or even before it, when Bruce Buffer was introducing each guy, Tony wasn't doing the things he normally does, right?

He just kind of slightly, you know, staying warm, kind of pacing, but not really. I went back and looked at the Cerrone and Pettis and Lee and all these fights. And in them, he does the hand roll thing. And he does the level change, takedown slide on each side. Eddie Bravo wasn't there. Rashad Holloway wasn't there. And he just kind of stood there relative to what he normally does. And then I want to marry that with what he told you last week, which was a good interview.

But he had seemed, and we had both agreed, that he was on the other side of the whole title picture. We didn't know if that meant he was retooling for a different kind of campaign or if something was missing. Well, between what he said there, and he didn't look bad in the second and third rounds, BC. I want to be clear. He looked really bad in the first. He was utterly controlled in the second and third, but he didn't look bad in the second and third rounds bc i want to be clear he looked really bad in the first he was utterly controlled in the second and third but

it didn't look horrible okay but you just put all that together what did i notice it just felt to me like the fire the the el cucuy swag i didn't see it did you no no and it makes you wonder a few things and yeah you referenced we tried to play armchair psychologist with Tony from that interview which is you know that's a fool's that's a fool's mission under any circumstance because Tony's either next level so far ahead of you or he's just behind the left field fence and isn't coming back but no I wasn't able to really gauge it seemed like a more jovial and fun Tony I mean look I've interviewed Tony before in interviews that didn't get big traffic

where he's basically sent me to hell, Luke. I mean, you may have had, you know, all kinds of up and down history with him as well, besides him giving you gifts. And when he has that edge, yes, you see a different version of him in the cage. Do we chalk this up to two really tough matchups? Maybe. But, no, he's lost something. It's clear he's lost something.

And moving forward, you know, is he going to be a celebrity BMF guy moving forward? I mean, you know, he's going to get a big fight next because you can't be in the lightweight top 10 and not get a big fight. There's so many big names. But, you know, I'd almost want a Kevin Lee rematch. Let's get our two guys back together, Luke. And that's the right kind of litmus test right now to see where this guy is. Because I don't think he's, you know, where this guy is because I don't think he's got you know in the moment but I don't think he's getting back here I don't think he can get back

there Luke name wise you can always linger and get a title shot you're always one big win away name wise but but the fire man that that's been put out I mean here's the thing we you and I were talking about this yesterday we were trying to come up with the rundown and even a little bit on Saturday night we were texting back and forth which which is, you know, my theory, BC, you watch a lot of boxing, so you would have a better sense about this than I would. My theory is that in MMA, because the production is controlled by the promoter and because MMA is kind of a very small town, people, like, don't want to acknowledge decline. And I want to be very clear, you know, be very clear. There's still a lot of possibilities about where this career could go, but I think if you're a Tony Ferguson observer,

at a bare minimum, you at least have to take seriously the idea that decline is upon us. And MMA fans never want to have that discussion. And in part, you get it, right? Because you don't want to take anything from Charles Oliveira. And you don't want to be insulting

to Tony Ferguson either. But don't you feel like in boxing, BCira. And you don't want to be insulting to Tony Ferguson either. But don't you feel like in boxing, BC, that if you begin to see signs of decline, people don't hesitate to point it out? No, no, right away. I mean, in boxing, I almost feel like it's even harsher than MMA Twitter, which is ready to write off everybody. Even after a win, people are getting to be written off. In boxing, guys fight even less.

They fight against elite guys even less. So it seems like even more of the barbershop conversation of is this guy done? But, yeah, there's legit slippage here. And the reason why you don't try to overplay it is out of respect, but also there could be bad night at the office, bad fight camp, bad year, right? There could be a lot of that. And that's why I think we celebrate so much when guys come back and make comebacks when we didn't expect it. But Luke, how about this? What fuels decline? What fuels somebody becoming washed? Well, damaged, certainly. But how about high stress?

Tony lives, operates, and peaks under extreme amounts of stress in his interviews, in his quick and almost remarkable comeback from injuries, in his weird-ass training point of view. So, you know, you mentioned the best we've seen of Tony, he's pacing before his name is even announced. I mean, he is a rabid animal. That's the damn best of Tony. The Tony that came back four months after destroying his knee in the Fox studio to fight Cowboy or Pettis, whoever it was, that's the best of Tony. But you can't do that for that long. So you mix in age 36 and you mix in Luke that you can,

I mean, look in your personal life. You can only be an over-emotional badass for so long. You get to a certain point where you're like, you know, I'm going to chill out a little bit. Maybe his body's chilling him out a little bit right now. And, you know, you can live off the legend as much as you can, but the proof, Luke, right, Floyd? Floyd's got hair, by the way, right now.

I want to get to some breaking news in just a second, but let me ask you this. To what extent do you put stock into the theory, claim, and obviously it depends who's saying it, to what extent did the beating he took against Justin Gaethje affect his performance on Saturday Night PC? Yes, I'll get to the breaking news in just a second yeah yeah wow wow wow uh Luke it's part of what I just said it's damage plus stress equals decline you think it had a role you would you would agree to have a role

I would agree yeah he took a hellacious beating and the weird thing was Luke he was almost in that fight more than he was the Oliveira one even though he took insanely more damage right he had more offensive moments in there against Gaethje but he left he may have left uh whatever was left in him that allowed him to get to that crazy peak he may have left that Luke all right we have three more points on the rundown let me take a moment here to get to some breaking news BC um so this will we'll make a separate video out of this afterwards for the producers who are watching. All right, so let's get to this. This is not part of our normal rundown.

This is breaking news. This comes to us from ESPN's Ariel Helwani. Quote, Yoel Romero is headed to Bellator. Romero has agreed to a new deal with Bellator, sources say. He is expected to sign imminently. He'll debut for the promotion in 2021 at 205 pounds his debut date and fight aren't set yet sources say let's go through this bc if we can that means if ryan bader sticks around a light heavyweight who just lost the title there you

have vadim nemkov you have ryan bader you have cory and Anthony Johnson, Phil Davis, Yoel Romero, and who am I missing? Lyoto Machida, who can fight in both weight classes. Gagard Musasi. Gagard Musasi, who can fight in both weight classes. Holy crap, Luke. He's going to light heavyweight, bro. He's not going to make the crazy cuts. This is his retirement portion of his career, right?

Or the Shady Acres portion, where he's just going to sit back, relax, have abs in his mid-40s, make 205. make the crazy cuts this is his retirement portion of his career right or the uh you know the shady acres portion where he's just going to sit back relax have abs in his mid-40s make 205 easy and hopefully luke makes some fun badass fights look i think he has a lot left in the tank despite his age from the idea of being a legit title contender and obviously moving to bellator in theory gets him into those conversations quicker. But we just laid out. These are legitimate names. I mean, if somebody like Phil Davis and Machida are just tests at this point, Luke, in the larger division title picture,

we're going to see some very interesting fights now. I mean, you know what I said when they signed Rumble last week on our show? I was like, man, imagine if we can get Rumble and Romero under the Bellator banner. But that's just wishful armchair matchmaking. No, Yoel Romero is now with Bellator and he's fighting at light heavyweight. These are the right guys to sign if you're Bellator, even though you try to go out of your way to not present yourself as the way station, the last stop. BKFC is the real last stop for combat guys. But the in-between soft last stop used to be Bellator

for guys like Stefan Bonner on the way out of the UFC, Tito Ortiz, blah, blah, blah. You can still sign those names, but sign the guys that seem to have more left in the tank. Rumble Johnson's got some stuff in the tank, Luke. Romero's got some stuff in the tank. Bader showed us he had a lot left in the tank. I like what Scott Coker's doing right now now even if just from the standpoint of fun matchups that you

need to tune in for this is how you do it these are the right names this ain't bonner this ain't ortiz luke i need to see these fights i mean well if you're scott coker who do you want to sign right you want to sign somebody that's got a little life left in them depending on you know exactly what your ambition is you well it's 44 but we both know that's not a normal 44. That's a very abnormal. You would think, what, if you signed a three-fight deal, you'd get three decent fights out of the guy at a bare minimum, potentially a lot more than that.

So in that sense, he's good to go in that one. Two, I don't know how affordable he is, but he's affordable for Bellator given their needs. But three, this is the most important one, BC. If you're Bellator and you have a free agent signing, you want to sign somebody that the fans can not only get excited about based on certain matchups in the division, and you now have that, right? But on top of that, just somebody that the fans kind of love.

People love watching Yoel Romero. They will follow Yoel Romero. He doesn't have the hugest popularity relative to whoever is out there as an A-lister in MMA, but people just know, man, when UL Romero fights, Adesanya fight notwithstanding, it's pretty much action guaranteed or craziness guaranteed or something unusual worth tuning in for guaranteed. If you marry that strategy with what he's doing, which is Bellator can't compete across all the divisions that UFC has. UFC will have the majority of the best talent in those divisions most of the time.

But if you could pick a division here or a division there, a little bit of space here, a little bit of space there, you can actually do something pretty legit. Listen to this again again if Bader sticks around Nemcov Bader Anderson Davis Johnson Romero potentially Musashi Machida that's your 205 pound division dude that you could do an effing tournament with this yeah that's a legitimate real division and hey Luke um so Scott Coker just pulled a 180 and I think he made the right call as long as financially obviously he didn't break the bank we don't know that, but in where he said at first, I'm not interested in UL, but now I am at first Luke,

he wasn't too interested in another legend who can fight at 205 pounds, but Andy Silva is still out there. Free agencies in Luke. All right. Okay. Come on now. Come on. Listen,

Romero might be expensive, but a tournament, bro, you want to do a tournament bro you want to do a grand prix and get people to care tell me this right now okay just just spend your time dude i was like you're telling me do i want to see nemkov versus anderson silva i would watch it but it's not competitive all right all right but when strike force announced the heavyweight Grand Prix. True or false? It wasn't just a carnival asterisk, you know, guilty pleasure. In that moment, you were like, holy shit.

TV ratings wise and fighter rankings wise, this is as viable as what the UFC could produce, right? For that division. Yes. At that time for that division. So if they run that division yes tell so if if they run out a 205 pound grand prix and let's just go the extra mile and say they got anderson silva and

you had nemcoff bader silva romero rumble johnson machida phil davis musashi you're telling me this couldn't have especially with light heavyweight in the UFC being down from a star point standpoint at the moment, not from a good fighter, but star point. You're telling me that wouldn't have the same impact that that great announcement of the Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix, and that's considering, by the way, Daniel Cormier wasn't a part of that,

and our hope was that we would get like Overeem Fedor. That was big at that time. You're telling me this wouldn't be as big? Look, it would be. It would be, bro. Yes, but you would have to. And I know, Jose, and we work for CBS, but I just feel like if you're going to make that kind of a tournament with these kinds of names, it's got to go on Showtime or Big CBS.

I don't know that it's necessarily the right fit for a Thursday night tournament. I know you lean on this a lot as an argument. They're not going to put it on CBS Sports Network on a Thursday night. Them are tentpole events, okay? Uncle Scott knows what he's doing, all right? All right, all right. In that sense, yes. That's a thing you could do, absolutely.

No doubt about it. So you've got to love the signing for Bellator. I mean, there's all... And if you're one of these guys, BC, at this point now, right, with all the names we've listed and we didn't even mention Liam McGeary and blah, blah, blah,

if you're one of those guys, you're like, okay, there's a bunch of good fights for me. Tournament or no tournament, I don't have one fight I can chase and then I'm fighting Schlubber McGee and Applesauce Fuckface the rest of the year. You have legitimate names. People can care about the entire way. And if you're El Romero, you don't have to worry about making weight.

You don't have to worry about making weight you don't have to worry about making weight Luke, Lukey let's take making weight a little bit further do you have to worry about the same level of drug testing either? uh you know my view on that

you know my view on that buddy I don't give a shit I don't care at all it does nothing for me so know, I don't give a shit. I don't care at all. It does nothing for me. So, uh, you know, take them. Don't take them. And by the way, just for full disclosure, because we are always honest, I'm not getting this excited because we're Viacom CBS. We own Bellator Showtime, CB, like all that.

So yeah, it's, you know, it doesn't hurt. I'm a, I'm a fan of carnival shit. We know that I love putting old star names together i love making fun stuff i want a world where ufc has competitors that are fun that give you a reason to want to go out of your way to see it i loved me some strike force i have loved bellator at different points i'm cheering from this from that standpoint luke because i think there's still life to be made in some of these names and if you you match them again, I mean, look, that heavyweight Grand Prix, not the Strikeforce one.

How about even the Bellator one? It was fun. It wasn't the best. You had old chail and shit, but it was fun, Luke. Okay. No, no. Listen, the UFC is going to have the majority of the best fighters, which means, you know, in all likelihood, they're going to have the majority of the best fights.

But if you're a real fight fan, there's plenty of good fights to have. Forget UFC and Bellator all across the world. But yes, especially in Bellator as well. You know, I'm not the biggest fan of staying up late to watch Honey Marks fight. I just want to be honest about that. But staying up late to watch... Now who's now Ronnie apparently, which I didn't know. But staying up late to watch these guys, like thinking about the possibilities there.

These are fighters that can compete at a high level and in a weight class accommodating of their size at this stage in their career what is not to like about that so we'll see how things go but bellator's cooking with gas at 205 pounds all right bc let's get back to our rundown if we can and let's go now to boxing anthony joshua defeats kubrat pulev in the ninth round with what I would call a good performance. Not super great, but very good. Good. Very solid. Okay.

BC, what did you learn about Anthony Joshua from Saturday's fight? Yeah, not to double on the points I made in the instant analysis, but I tried to keep those short and sweet. I learned that this is who he is and who he is, meaning a who learned from the defeat to andy ruiz the first time around learned that if you overextend with a chin that is not rock solid you can get caught super heavyweight era i think he learned effectively from that scare some fighters are never the same some instead put that little nugget in the back of their head of warning and fear and sometimes they change their style a little bit vladimir klitschko the second half of his career was all about safety and defense and i didn't love it entertaining wise but luke he made a hell of a lot of money and he almost set the damn record for heavyweight title defenses he had some like 22 of

them so you can go a long way learning from the hard lessons you have to learn in this division to still stay on top and look Lennox Lewis probably did it the best we've seen him starch twice but he learned how to come back from that alter a style a bit Emmanuel Stewart in his corner was a big part of that who also helped Klitschko and he figured it out Anthony Joshua I believe will figure it out and I think this was the rightful first step. I say first step because the rematch with Ruiz, he wasn't that confident. I mean, he won. It was clear. But he was safe.

He didn't want to mix it up. In this fight, Luke, he mixed it up when it made sense to. Kubrat Pulev was never really in this fight from an offensive standpoint. But defensively and from toughness and caginess he was there the whole time and that's the reason why Anthony couldn't walk him down like he did in round three when he had him hurt and get him out of there in rounds four five six and seven and if you want that out of him you got to reconfigure who you think Anthony Joshua is he's not just vulnerable from the Ruiz fight right he got dropped against Klitschko when he ran out of gas. He got hurt really bad against Dillian White.

Other people have done things to him. His ability to wear it on his sleeve is part of why we love watching him. But he ain't perfect. But the things he does very well, you cannot find that in the heavyweight division. A 6'6 guy that strong and athletic who can finish you with both hands, who also can outbox you at worst luke you're looking at the second best heavyweight in the world so there's really not a lot negative i'm going to say about this you could come in here with the argument that maybe this

knockout should have come in round five rather than round nine or ten but i'm going to ask you to sit in there with kubra pula who can very credibly land right hand counter shots and say that you know to yourself if you've been knocked out before he's uh he's figured out this is the the half safe half dangerous model and i think it's going to be who he is moving forward look yeah i mean here is my read on this i actually feel like he split the difference between the second ruiz fight and you know i'm not quite i'm not quite the klitschko fight but at least the the general tenor of how he once competed before losing to andy Ruiz which is to say there were times when you could tell he was willing to press on the gas and that was

when he found openings and it was a little bit safer to do so but there was still a degree of not wildness but you know offensive minded focused on finishing right he wasn't just content to hurt you and then still lay back if he had hurt, he was looking to get the show closed. He was just willing to take his time to hurt you rather than sort of forcing it in the way that he did before. In many ways, this was one of his more mature performances. I actually liked what I saw in the sense of you still got remnants of the old AJ with acknowledgments that AJ has a lot to lose if in fact he ever did lose again. And that's not a path he really wants to go down especially not against a Kubrat Pulev if it happened against a Wilder or a Fury biggest

fight in British boxing history some might say certainly at heavyweight then okay it's a little bit more forgivable but you can't do it in a mandatory that's the place that's just it's not allowed so I actually sort of liked what we saw there in many ways certainly more preferable to the second Ruiz fight here's what I come away from, though, BC. You mentioned at worst the second best heavyweight. See, I'm still not so sure about that. I mean, let me explain what I mean. Is there any denial that he is a better boxer than Deontay Wilder?

No doubt about it. If he fought Deontay Wilder, is there a perfectly reasonable case to believe that he would win? If they fought ten times, maybe seven, eight of those times? Yes, in fact i do i think he is that much better i don't know i don't know i mean look wilder's gonna have a puncher's chance against everyone joshua included yeah i'd favor joshua but that's still a tough fight my whole point was outside of that and fury i mean who are you gonna favor over him okay so yes in that sense i just wanted to be clear i didn't see anything in this fight as as measured and in

control and yet fun in that third and ninth round I didn't see anything from Joshua that told me a he's gonna beat Fury or be that uh the way in which I felt he matched up with Wilder previously is now different now again that doesn't mean he can't win in either case per se I mean with Wilder with Fury I'm skeptical he's skeptical he can win, but it is possible. With Wilder, you might say he's a better boxer by a mile, but that may not matter in the end because of Wilder's power. So in that sense, nothing really changed for me in that way. I didn't come across like thinking his stock had gone up.

What I did see, though, was he's not haunted by the demons of the first Ruiz fight BC. He is impacted by them, but not in a way that makes him less enjoyable to watch overall. Right. But he's always going to be vulnerable. Like if he fights Dillian white and a rematch, he'll be there's chances.

He's going to be vulnerable there. Right. You know, like there, he's always going to be, if he fights Luis Ortiz, he'll probably win, but there's going to be moments where you're like,

Oh God, that's who he is. I mean, we've got to embrace that now. Right. Okay. So with that being said, it gets to point number four, which I want to jump to. Does this mean, BC, that Tyson Fury, who made a video on social media

declaring that he had no other choice and want or need in the world than to fight Anthony Joshua is that the next fight that is going to get made for both men uh no they but they're all talking a big game right now and I like that I like the confidence that everyone's talking about Bob Arum tweeted or putting out there with Sports Illustrated that you know the framework of a deal is already said. Eddie says, let's try to make it next. Everybody, you know, even Joshua, I know you kind of rightfully criticized him when he was a little bit noncommittal, but he didn't say he didn't want the fight. He's like, hey, if that's what the fans want and that's the next fight, let's make it.

Dude, that's such a bullshit answer. Okay, it's not what I'm looking for, Luke. It's certainly not, but it's not avoiding it, okay? He said if it's Tyson Fury that's's next it's tyson fury that is next i think he's making it sound like he's making it sound like tyson fury is but one egg in the carton of a dozen eggs they're all the same eggs dude there's a reason why they are not the same eggs the reason why he's trying to do that because the negotiation financially luke is the big battle for these guys i understand but then tyson fury goes out and makes shit unequivocal which is so

much more thrilling so much more interesting and so much more interesting, and so much more fun. That should be acknowledged, too. All right, let's talk turkey. Joshua's got one more mandatory against Alexander Usyk. It's been due for a while. Usyk has said that he doesn't want to step aside. Also, Fury's got a mandatory, which is supposed to be Dillian White, but he got knocked out by Povetkin. Supposedly, they're going to have a rematch soon.

It was supposed to be in December. It got but he got knocked out by Povetkin. Supposedly, they're going to have a rematch soon. It was supposed to be in December. It got moved. That'll produce a mandatory challenger. How do you get around the mandatories in boxing? Luke, you either pay them millions to step aside, or you give up the title and say, F your title. This super fight that I want right now is bigger anyway.

I don't need it. I do not think you can F your title at the moment because of how long and how rare it is to have a real undisputed champion. We've had three belt undisputed champions back when those three belts were the only ones that mattered in the late nineties, right? Early two thousands. We had Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, et cetera. Vladimir Klitschko was a three belt champion, the recognized champion in the four belt era, but there was always that extra belt floating around European guys you never heard of. The reality is the best thing that could ever happen for the sport

is that the freaking heavyweight division has one name one face one champion no questions asked not this lineal crap or oh well technically he's the wba regular no no we want one champion i don't think you can give up the belts here this fight fight is so freaking big right now. How big is this fight? It's the biggest you can make in boxing that doesn't include some type of carnival, Logan Paul, Floyd Mayweather, Conor McGregor type BS, okay? Conor McGregor versus Manny Pacquiao, probably bigger in the end. In terms of actual boxing, biggest fight you can make. In Britain, where their fan base is a thousand times better than in the U.S. for boxing,

this is the biggest fight in british history i mean it would do a stadium filled with as many people a couple hundred if you can put in there right it's that freaking big um so luke short of just each guy taking their mandatory fights this spring which are by far not a gimme for either man i mean alexander usic might be the boogeyman in the end of this division. If he can do, you know, the type of boxing he did at cruiserweight, we're going to have to see it first to believe it, but maybe you pay them both. Maybe you say that post COVID, if we get there and hopefully, uh, Dr. Luke Fauci mailed you your vaccine today, Luke's Luke. Um, if we can get there, there may be so much money at stake that you can pay either guy a good amount of millions to step aside and tell them, look, it's going to be better for you to fight me after I fight Joshua or Fury. I don't know. But in 2021, before the fight, I said, hopefully by the end of the year, maybe early 2022, you laughed at me.

Seeing everybody this in on it right now, Luke, leads me to believe that second half of 2021, we're going to see this. And will it be next? I still can say no until I know that everyone's going to play ball, take their money, sit home and allow this to happen. We're as close as we've ever been. Hopefully they learned from the theatrics and the stupidness of not making Wilder against Joshua for that two year period that was so damn viable. Let's do this, Luke. This is a freaking great fight. And I think the argument shouldn't be, is AJ too safe or is he not the same? He's not the same, okay? The argument should be, what did that fight against Pulev do to your expectations of what

it will look like when he does fight Fury? That's the question I want you to answer. Yeah, I mean, it didn't tell me much in the sense of who I thought would win and not win I mean here's the interesting part to me about this I don't have much to add to what you added you kind of just laid out the situation for folks there's mandatories either they're going to pay him to step aside

or they got to do the mandatories dropping the belts doesn't make a whole lot of sense given what the fight could represent if they got them all together blah blah blah and also by the way Usyk might end up beating Joshua that's not the I mean I don't know that he would, but it's not the craziest thought. The only thing I would add is, and this is what I really, it really gets to me about defending Joshua's attitude. I get it like if you're Joshua's manager,

that you want him to act the way he did when he was talking to the press after the fight. But you know what I get? You know what the sense is and the difference between him and Fury? Joshua even had this message that went on the big board before he made his walkout about, I'm so glad folks are at Wembley, which, by the way, was just a COVID Petri dish that night. I mean, my Lord. But OK. You know, and then the first thing afterwards is like you ask the fans like he wants to have this relationship

where he's together with the fans and everyone's enjoying the moment. He kept saying, I hope everyone has a great time here at Wembley and watching at home. Really almost like the maitre d' of the evening, hoping that everyone at the dinner party or the dinner itself is having a good time. Whereas Fury is different. Fury says, no, no, no, no. I'm together with the fans, but it's not just us sniffing our own farts. It's us together against you. And that's what Fury never, excuse me, that's what Joshua never does.

He never takes that moment and then pivots it. You know, Fury's the guy that shows up with the big gang, except the big gang's all got baseball bats and they're ready to scrap on behalf of Fury. Joshua just wants to have a dinner party where everyone's getting together and, you know, you can't walk through the front door if you're not willing to just be a part of that experience. Gotta tell you, I love Fury's attitude a lot better.

Yes. In theory, yes. I don't want to be an AJ apologist because he didn't make the Wilder fight when it was able to happen. Again, there was so much soap opera bullshit in that that it's really hard to know who was telling the truth and who wasn't. But you mentioned AJ the Mater D. I mean, he has fought three to four times in front of crowds between 80 and 90 000 in which he came out luke to a giant a and a j behind him that was lit on fire

and he came up on a ramp like a rock star so he does have a certain connection to fans in sort of almost making boxing like like a concert so So I guess I can defend that. You want him to say the name? Okay, say the damn name. He said the damn name, Luke. Okay, we got to make this damn fight already. Oh my God, this is a big ass fight. And for everyone that's saying, look, at the end of the day, I'm going to pick Tyson Fury to be AJ because from the beginning, I'm telling you, Tyson Fury is the generational heavyweight of this era but I don't think this Pulev performance took me out of that anymore in terms of AJ's chances look he's gonna have a great chance to win that fight like Tyson Fury is not immune to getting hit and getting hurt and AJ's six foot six and jacked with quick hands he

can hurt Tyson Fury you certainly want to favor Fury to outbox him. I don't believe we can look at who Fury was in that second Wilder fight and believe that that's a scenario that's going to keep happening. He fought a great game plan. Wilder was not there that night, and it was a beautiful stoppage.

But that's not going to be what's happening every single fight. So it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun to get there. Real quick, Luke, we held Deontay Wilder over the damn coals for all the excuses he made. I don't know if you saw an interview that Alexander Usyk did in Russian in which he came out and said he believes Derek Chisora was wearing loaded gloves in that fight with him. He believes the referee was against him.

And he's also calling out the commission in England for having very loose ropes. And Usyk won the fight. So he's not making excuses as to losing it, but maybe into why it was that close. Should we be publicly taking a deuce on this guy? Ooh. Is it because we like him more, Luke? Because he's white?

Yeah, we do like him more, yeah. We can't criticize him? I mean, what, you know? Yeah, I mean, if you're the guy who wins all the belts in your weight class and there's nothing left for you and you move up and you win against the guy who you're the guy who wins all the belts in your weight class and there's nothing left for you and you move up and you win against the guy who you're complaining against, people are going to be pretty favorable towards you. I don't know.

I'd have to think about that one for a second. That's an interesting case. But he's definitely... And I liked Fury before... Excuse me. I liked Wilder before the second Fury fight. But then afterwards, it was just like, ugh. Last thing on this on Fury, though.

Yes, can AJ knock him out? out of course AJ can knock anybody out but like if he needs to fight safe like he did against Klitschko Fury can and if Wilder couldn't put him down with that punch in the 12th round or whatever round it was 11th or 12th round in the first fight I you know does Joshua really stand a chance maybe maybe he's a little bit more concerted with and and you know strategic with his approach but i tend to like furious chances pretty significantly in that fight oh yeah oh yeah uh all right last but not least tons of other standouts from the weekend including on ufc 256 bc i would love to know who you thought else deserves a shout out let me guess back to the boxing card it's huey fury uh no no no that was a little bit of a extra sloppy there uh in the lunchroom with uh marty who's walk let's completely stay at ufc

256 here luke because there were so many other standouts i mean let's talk about it kevin highland had the the year of of almost all years for somebody who didn't fight for a title i mean he's legitimately in your fighter of the year, at least discussion area for what he did and his ability to not only manhandle and finish Jacare in such stunning fashion was mind-blowing given the ridiculous confidence he shows, but the unique way he did it basically off his back, Luke.

Is this guy special? Or is he just a loud mouth on a win streak? I mean, there was something that jumped through my screen that was like, I don't think I can, you know, like when a guy's rising, you're sort of like, all right, let's wait and see. But in the back of your mind, a lot of times you're saying, all right, I don't believe, I don't believe it. I don't know what to believe anymore after this performance.

Yeah, Jacare's 41, but he was supposed to be that husk of wood that was going to make it really hard for Holland to win this and look great doing it. Luke, he won it. He looked great doing it. And now he's calling out Kamzat to fight him tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Inject me, please, please, Luke, please.

That was pretty damn impressive. That guy can find offense virtually everywhere as you brush your teeth like a weirdo with your finger is that how you brush it at night too just we gotta rub that on my gums for a second luke i mean are you kidding me imagine if they had the balls to do that yeah next week holland uh jim jimayev we'll find out who's the best damn young stud in this game i I mean, come on. That's a ballsy call-out. I know he's telling the guy to come up and wait a bit,

but that's a ballsy call-out, Luke. Certainly is. I'm going to point to, and you may get to it on Have You Seen This Shit, so I won't belabor the point, but, you know, there's a lot of ways you could go. You could go Cub Swanson doing amazing stuff, but Rafael Fazaev, BC, I'll make it fast. He is shorter than most of these guys at lightweight. He is less reach than most of these guys at lightweight.

And he is just knocking full. Well, he didn't knock out Mark Giacchese, but he beat him. And here against Renato Moicano, my God. He went high-low, side-to-side, and then changed rhythm through the course of the distance closing in the combination and then sent this dude to the land of wind and ghosts. Now, was the stoppage all that great? No. I think it's forgivable based on the way that Moikano landed when his head bounced off the canvas and the hands kind of came up a little bit Chris Ione is doing his best job not the cleanest

stoppage I understand Moikano if he's upset about it still at the same time BC just talking about Fazaev they gotta stop they gotta stop striking with this guy for right now maybe the elite guys can handle him like that I don't know but the rest of these donks at this level as he climbs the ranks get on the wrestling shoes when you're on the mat training for this dude because it will go poorly for you if you stand too long dude I need the hat I need the t-shirt

I need the action figure I'm ready to just like shamelessly jump on board here because that I mean if it had come against any donk, it's still impressive. Luke, tell me if this is wrong. About three minutes, two minutes before that knockout, the narrative really was, oh, my God, Moicano at lightweight is pretty freaking damn good. Yeah, he's got the weird, touchy-feely neck tap, but maybe he can star in Mr. Faber's second weed thriller. But, like, this guy's really good and responsible and unique and creative,

and I actually liked early on how Moicano was kind of no-selling these wild strikes that are flying by his head and staying poised. You can't stay poised cooking in this man's kitchen for too long, Luke. He's going to shove the food in your mouth, all right? He's going to push it down your throat. Wow. Luke, what a freaking year right you know the mvps of this year in mma are going to be all dana and covid and all

that but in a year that should have been awful and the sport of boxing obviously did not produce a great year right we saw very few really big fights it was hard to keep the thing on the damn track the best thing ufc has done for us all year even separate from the flyweight division was give opportunity to these itchy guys who were willing to fight four or five times and and prove that they're next it feel like every week we find another one we almost had another one with Billy Q but he lost this time I mean it's like every week there's another person jumping out that's fun Luke that's why you can cut old rich guys who are on the way out right because you got these young studs coming up right

now i mean it goes back to the jds and we didn't talk about against cyril gone and then jacare it's like are those two more expensive than cyril gone and kevin holland yeah probably but kevin holland and cyril gone just stopped them both with strikes so this argument that the contender series guys are cheaper and that's who they want it's like well sort of but that doesn't mean what you think it means. All right. With that in mind, BC, it's time for you and I to stop asking each other questions. It's time to get to the folks who ask us questions, the donks out there.

It's time for DMs from donks. There's the animation. All right, BC. Someone has a question for us here from Teeper Ramsey. Hypothesis. American wrestling is overrated. What does that even mean? Evidence. Habib greater than Justin.

Oliveira than Tony Oliveira, of course, is Brazilian. Anderson Chael. Please discuss. What does that have to do with him being Brazilian? They're trying to say that all these American wrestling stars got dominated by non-Americans. Yeah, I know, but it's from the domination of American wrestling affecting best practices.

The argument is absurd. Are you saying it's promotional malpractice to present that question? In the case of Habib, there's a rooted tradition in that part of the world to have their own wrestling, so that's a little bit different. And they do have a slightly different game that those guys play, particularly as it relates to the fence line. But in the case of the general level of wrestling overall, if you watched MMA 10 years ago, it was all Americans just dominating with this shit. Now, the best practices have gotten out there. And as a consequence, you're seeing Europeans who can wrestle quite well and blah, blah, blah.

But not only is American wrestling not overrated it's not as dominant as it once was but it's one of the most important contributions to mixed martial arts ever so you're saying it was just a matter of time right? with international basketball catching up with the US in 2002 it was just a matter of time

that's exactly it who's the best female MMA wrestler in the game today? I don't know offhand what that answer is. Would it be Sarah McMahon? Really? Silver medalist in the fucking Olympics? Like, yeah. Well, I'm saying in terms of their ability to bring it to the cage

and be at that high, high level. Like we say, like, GSP, you know, Habib, two of the greatest, you know, MMA wrestlers we've ever seen. That's a great question. They're not Dan Gable. I mean, Cyborg is up there. She's pretty good when she wants it. Let me think.

That's a tough one. That's actually, you know, just pure, like, let's see here. Carla Esparza? Andrade's decent takedowns, right? She can knock you out with her takedowns. That's true. I'm not sure. That's a great question.

It's a really good one. Gedalia's got good takedowns. We'll revisit it in the future, Luke, okay? Yeah, okay. Very good. Misha Tate. Hey, did you see Misha Takedown Tate is training again at Couture's? In Vegas?

Does she still work for one? Yeah. She didn't announce, like like i'm coming back to fight or anything but she announced uh on instagram that she's like back training again and if and so it's interesting she's only back from singapore what happened i don't know the situation but i have read the bloody elbow report on cha tree and one luke not awesome not awesome you know what BC, they figured out weight cutting, so everything's fine. I mean, every claim they've ever made, probably not true, Luke.

Probably not true. All right? Yeah. Probably. Probably. All right. At Cody.Tafoya, has Head Tron... Oh, you got to be fucking kidding me.

What a stupid-ass question. You thought Luke had long-winded USADA takes. Here we go. Here we go here we go go ahead linguist go ahead no no you can go first ass face has head trauma caused brian campbell to be a shithead i don't know if it's a head trauma but i've really taken a lot of head trauma in my life luke all right yeah listen i actually was very nice about this yesterday you can be mean but in the interest of helping people understand this there is no controversy around her accent I suspect that there are a lot of people who don't

know others who are dealing with various complications that come from language immersion either trying to learn another language in another country or having proficiency in different languages but having one of them impacted by the social circle you keep, which could be the way in which you utter words for their length, intonation, blah, blah, blah. I tweeted out a couple of scholarly articles about this yesterday. It's actually called language accommodation, and there's two kinds called convergence and divergence. She has what's called the convergence of language accommodation. This is a well-documented phenomenon. It can even happen between native speakers like for example they talked about megan markle who was married to

was a harry well the former prince whatever the fuck her name is and um she is from california obviously and then if she has spent so much time in england she was changing the way in which she was pronouncing american but it happens over time in those situations i think people are in making the assumption that it happened so fast that she went from zero to a hundred. It didn't happen fast. The best videos that they have showing this is a minimum

of several years. I mean, my fate well, he's not anymore, but for a time one of my favorite bloggers back when blogging was a thing in the aughts was Andrew Sullivan. This is a guy who grew up and spent the majority of his life up to that point in England. He was British. If you listen to him now, his accent is virtually gone.

Now, I understand what you're talking about here. You're talking about a long period of time. Okay, but I'm talking about a massive change in the way that somebody speaks, where they go from sounding British to almost entirely American. Again, and by the way, this will be different depending on some languages have greater accommodation

than others. Some social circles force it. But this is just a function of the fact that she largely lives in a world, in an English-speaking world generally. But she has her entire social circle as a function of Portuguese. And so when she goes back to English, she is going to have some adaptations related to the way that all of them speak English, given their Portuguese background. It is not a put on. It is not an act. It is not a scandal.

It is a well-documented phenomenon. Y'all got to cut or fucking break. I'm not going to try to act as arrogant as the people who make the joke all the time of this. But it did seem like it happened overnight. And it was so much of it. It didn't seem like it happened naturally, Luke. It felt like it happened like I am purposely trying to show you that i am real and authentic my dad is from here so i will you know like no i don't i don't okay hey luke uh she didn't she didn't she didn't

really win that fight though right i know she was she was fighting female hermes but she didn't you know she didn't look like she won that fight sort of i mean i wouldn't have i didn't i didn't look like she won that fight. Sort of. I mean, I didn't think anyone put their stamp on it. But I will say this. I wasn't overblown by her stand-up, McKenzie's. It's pretty simple. She doesn't have a lot of weapons. Charles Oliveira's got a lot of weapons just standing. Forget about the ground.

I mean, she gutted it out. But this fight makes me believe that her run as a title contender is farther away than shorter term. Yes, I would agree with that. I mean, she, you know, several hurdles for someone transitioning from jiu-jitsu to MMA. And one of them is, can you get comfortable striking? Okay, she's definitely comfortable striking. I don't think you could take that away from her.

But is she, like, super well-skilled? It's pretty meat and potatoes you know and when you consider how advanced her grappling is it's not you know there's a massive divergence all right bc uh at pastor blin is tony's lack of perceived structure as you read your phone around his training there's breaking news dude i'm checking to see if there's more of it but it was just it was just uh romero's managers confirming the news. Okay, that's all I have. You're just looking at TikToks of women dancing. All right.

Is Tony's lack of perceived structure around his training starting to contribute to his decline in performance? Is it time, BC, to maybe look at appointing a head coach and not have such a randomized training schedule? It wouldn't be a bad time. it necessary i don't know it depends on how tony can regroup recharge figure this out but when you are unorthodox for so long luke um and you begin to naturally slow and decline think roy jones jr you may you know to be unorthodox you typically have to be a great athlete or be a slugger right usually it's it's i'm a great athlete so i can break the rules i can do wild things and stuff

it's gonna be harder to pull that off when you're slowing down so if that's the case um adding more structure more tradition uh could could could help the long term here but tony not gonna do that this is tony right he's gonna go down and Luke he will um he will burn out before he fades away right I just feel like if you got a coach in there I mean maybe on some level if the coach had a real uh you know a minimal amount of influence about something very specific like there's one little thing they want you to work on. Could that be helpful? Yeah, I think that could,

but some guy come in there and just trying to like rewire how everything works. I honestly wonder if it might make them worse, you know, cause he's so used to one way being the way. And now you're seeing all the problems with that one way at the end of the run, not the very end of the run, but you know, as the run begins to lose some of its magic, you know, just going all the way in another direction, BC, you know, you might take away what makes it like, you might do more good than harm or more harm than good by changing everything up.

He kind of look, it's a joke, but it's true. Kind of needs a coach Latore kind of needs a, a, a mascot. I mean, we'll give coach latore some postpartum time post uh you know post uh post post coital there to uh recover and come back in the corner luke after you're a sick man and you need psychological counseling but you know somebody that isn't there so much for strategy but is there for whatever you need to fuel your weirdness or your passion or whatever for mike perry it's it's his woman who he worships to be like you're doing great honey for other people it's weirdos like josh fabia reading your uh horoscope before you go out for the next round luke okay all right like

yeah everybody need every weirdos need something luke okay he needs to find his own weirdo in there right that that sounds more right to me than just coming in like let's just have structure like we've never been in the military just trying to do it at age 37 is not going to work all right at saint john underscore ca uh bc this is from showtimes boxing arboleda goes down a second time face first good or bad ref stoppage to wait for the third knockdown a little late for me yeah they could have stopped it on that second knockdown there in the what is it the ninth or tenth round whatever there's a final round of the fight against chris culver

uh but i think even though the guy went face down there's the old adage right uh the the old showtime color commentator the great ferdy pacheco the doctor used to always say if they fall down face first you don't have to count. You know, he famously said that in the Maurice Blocker, Felix Trinidad fight. But typically when they go down face first, because they're not cold, you go down face first, but you get back up. It's a difference. You know, he read each referee has a different strike zone, but you read the eyes of the

guy. They now in boxing, of course, make you do the dance, you know, walk, do basically the DUI, you know, read the alphabet backwards, walk sideways, walk forward. You're good. You're good. I mean, look, I will say this for how far we have come. You want to go back in the 1950s and sixties and watch a boxing match, Luke, somebody get a knockdown.

The fighter in a lot of cases allowed to stand pretty damn close to where the fighters knocked down. And the second he's back up, they restarted and the guy goes, and i'm glad that we're so far removed from that of course but i think we're in a very safe era for as safe as you can make this without ruining it without making it something other than boxing and i'll still rely for the most part although we have a lot of scabs and and clowns in this game i'll still rely on the ref to be able to see something in a guy and say, he's got a chance to turn this around.

Maybe you saw something, Luke, all right? You love old people and all the mistakes they make. Man, you've got a boxing-sized chip on your shoulder, Luke. You hate the fact that you hate all, I mean, you hate it for all the right reasons, right? I mean, those are the reasons. I mean, I'm an addict. I can't get away from this sport, Luke. I get it.

Okay. Thank you. Okay. And then last but not least, BC, this is an interesting one from, from Anvik. How likely is it either of you are on someone's list? I lost Ebu Shemi in Billy Madison. Who wants to kill you, BC? Oh, that's the thing in life, Luke.. In life, Luke, it is a tough juggle

because our show is a little bit more off the rails than traditional shows, Luke. And as you've found out through the years, fighters have very big egos and small... They don't take criticism well in a lot of cases. You really are one joke, one sentence away from potentially getting sent to hell in a public setting by a fighter um but you do try to avoid luke creating mortal enemies in this game right or

and just you know for the sake of it just driving the the joke or the nail through someone's heart um i hope we don't ever have somebody who has us on a list with a shotgun and some lipstick playing ELO's telephone line, Luke, as they go. Glad I called that guy. But you're probably more likely than me, although there aren't seemingly the same consistent people who hate me online. But I think they're just big fans of you, Luke, and traditionalism, right? Really? And conformity and structure and lack of fun and just sort of like i want the news

give me the news and maybe those are the people that watch on sundays luke on your personal channel instead of this show so who am i talking about yeah you're you're welcome for posting that because it actually boosts traffic here over the long run but here's what i'll say i think it takes a little bit of arrogance to think that people dislike you that not you. I'm using the proverbial you to dislike you that much. I mean, people will hate you and me. Yes, of course that, that part is true, but so much so that they like really fucking hate us. You know, it always reminds me, like, I don't get on Facebook much anymore, but sometimes when I do, I'll see people I went to high school with, you know, being like, you know, rise and grind, shake off the haters today. And I'm like, bitch, you know, you are an accountant.

You don't have haters. No one gives a fuck about you. No one on earth gives a fuck whether you live or die. You understand that? You don't have it. You have to be like, do something to have haters in life. You don't have fucking haters. I don't know, Luke.

I'm from a factory town. Some of my Facebook friends, ex-high school people, they tend to post a lot of drama, Luke, okay? They told somebody off the Walmart. That's just having an ordinary life. Haters are when you have like a dedicated group of people, a noticeably sized group of folks, not just the people in your fucking family or town where everyone knows everyone else's business who are like really into fucking hating you. You have to do something for that.

Most people like, you know, shake the haters the haters off bitch you don't have haters you don't have anything going on in your ordinary ass fucking life i don't know if we have haters such an elitist take what is it i don't really think i have haters i have people that like i mean yes there's plenty of people if you want to search around and disagree or dislike me i mean that but you guys keep trying you know you know who has you know who has a note of that guy hold on let me finish you know who has haters bc like joe rogan has haters you know why because joe rogan has an insanely popular podcast and maybe some of those criticisms are right maybe some of them are wrong he's got haters you got to do something to have haters who else has haters out there uh Fucking Jon Jones. Jon Jones has haters.

All right. Princess Di had a lot of haters. Okay. Yeah. They fucking killed her over it, basically. I will say, Luke, if you don't start spotting that homeless guy soon, at least for one set, you're going to find a big hater in your life. All right.

You're going to find him in your house, brother. Okay. So please. I'm just trying to tell you, it's not an elitist take you want to have a positive attitude on your monday mornings to go out there and carpe diem and seize the day great but people just like to imagine shit like oh it's tupac me against the world no tupac had haters you just have neighbors that don't like the fact that you irregularly mow your lawn those are not fucking haters okay the fact you got a big ass squat rack in the middle of your yard. Yeah. They're just, I have sent BC the pictures BC. Can you

describe the front yard gym to the folks? It's I mean, it really looks like the, the, the prison yard where you're allowed like one hour a day to go out and play basketball. Yeah. It's great. I do. I got to replace that wood fence I have with just chain link and barbed wire. I got to do it. I got to get a guy at the tower, a sniper at the tower, ready to shoot me at any time I try to break free. Woo!

Yes. All right. All right, with that in mind, let's go to someplace where we can be haters, BC. Yes. Happy to steal the show. Actually, this is how we will make people's lists. By laughing at these videos, Luke,

we scoured the globe. The highs and lows, the in-between, the good, we will make people's lists. By laughing at these videos, Luke, we scour the globe. The highs and lows, the in-between, the good, the bad, the ugly, all that good stuff. It's have you seen this shit, Jay? Thanks for jumping in. Maybe Jay's upset we haven't called on him. Jay, can we call on you quick to troll the fans? Jay, what is going on in your wall in the studio there? It's like on... Is that lava? What's

happening, Jay? Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot. Those are nano-leafs. They're very small right now because I'm very small in the frame but they're great they make colors i have no haters oh wait you don't have you have people who mock you but you don't have haters except for everyone who works with morning combat or watches it yeah i'm pretty sure if you check the chat right about now you would uh be able to pick out five or six that besides them and your ex-wife jay you're doing great all right no everyone loves you okay no she loves me she gets bc i'm sorry not bc sorry jay real quickly what do you make of my haters thesis like to really have haters you have to do

something pretty special in life um i don't know there might be people that hate you like a lot i get your point but i think you might be underselling how much people might dislike you no they dislike me i just don't give a fuck and i don't really pay a lot of attention well i pay some attention to it but it doesn't mean there's not a man sitting on lipstick jay when can we expect your new documentary to come out uh sometime between now and the time i die or maybe after all right well you had a good run on top all right jay Jay, thank you very much. No, it was good. 2015. Jay, time to hit the button now. Here we go.

Hey, let's start off with some UFC 256 feels, Luke. We talked up Rafael Fazeev as an absolute monster. Can we show this four-piece with a muffin and a side of slaw? Slaw? Slough? Slough? Luke, this was nasty. I mean, can you give me the breakdown on this this was yeah i mean

look he goes left to the body he like darts in left to the body then goes right upstairs and then the left upstairs is delayed he doesn't go boom boom boom he goes boom boom boom you know think about it we see a lot of great one punch knockouts and they typically end up in this show you don't see a lot of like that four punch combo thatouts, and they typically end up in this show. You don't see a lot of that four-punch combo that Conor McGregor finished Eddie with, and you certainly don't see it at a quasi-elite level. This is a piece of artwork right here, Luke. And he's shorter than all these donks.

It's just good to see a guy in the UFC who has got Z's and V's in his name, but has a full mustache in his beard. You know what I'm saying? A little diversity there. He's also got a bit of style. Can we show the hat? I know we showed it earlier on the weigh-in pick.

This is kind of cooler than Habib's, right? Well, aren't these the traditional hats they wear in winter? I don't know the name of it, but it is cool. Looks like what the chicks were wearing in Spies Like Us. Great movie from the 80s, by the way. All right. I'm all in on the Fizyev hat. I would wear it chicks were wearing in Spies Like Us. Great movie from the 80s, by the way. All right. I'm all in on the Fizyev hat. I would wear it.

Thank you. Let's move on. Hey, Luke, we mentioned Cub Swanson, and he certainly had an impressive finish, but he's added to his tack game over the years. I don't think he gets the love that he enjoys. This is one of the better packages in the game. Am I right? Are you talking about his balls or his tats?

No, no, his tats. There's so much bad tat work in this game. All things considered, look at the full man. That's pretty solid, right? Yeah, I mean, the work he's had done subsequent to WC is significantly better than the work he had done pre-UFC. I don't know if he goes to TJ. I think TJ gets tattooed by that guy Bang Bang.

I don't know if he goes to him or not. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Bang Bang has done time. Thank you. That's probably where he learned the art. He's a good-ass tattoo artist. I'll tell you that. Now I'm on Bang Bang's list. All right.

Well, hey, shout out to the body of Cub Swanson's work right there. It is a wonderland. Hey, Chase Hooper came back, Luke, to open this fight card with a really big win for his growth. But how about this Imanari roll? Is that what it is? Or is that a sushi dish to uh set up the submission it's an iminari roll he did it press for that that's beautiful uh i i am but it's like you know again oliver made his debut when he was 20 21 so you know you got to cut the kid a break but my man's got a lot of work to do if he wants to stick around he's's obviously dynamite on the ground, and this was amazing,

especially because he was losing this fight, right, for the most part. So, shouts to him. The kid's tough, and he's got sick ground skills, but if he doesn't fill out the rest of them, not everyone's going to fall for this. What happens sooner? Chase Hooper takes another bad L, or Joe Rogan republishes your interview from the JRE podcast on YouTube.

It's all up on Spotify, including the video. You can go. I checked it out. He had to take it down because of some Spotify rules. So the clips are up on the JRE clips channel. And then the full thing, video and audio is up on Spotify. Luke, this was a highlight. So nice.

I have to play it twice. I don't care that we did this on Friday. Jay, can you hit it? UFC 254. Luke, this was a highlight so nice, I have to play it twice. I don't care that we did this on Friday. Jay, can you hit it? UFC 254. I mean, this guy Magomed dropped Matus on his damn head, Luke. How is he alive, bro? Bro, these guys are made of something different than you and me, man.

I mean, that's death. That's death. You have the video, Jay, or just the still? All right, just the still. Let's move on. I was going to say he almost got scorpion there but that wasn't the worst scorpion of the week luke did you see this these are not good friends i mean who would you rather be matthewis mattoos or this chick is this where is this Philly? Yeah. Bach. Oh, God.

That was me asking John Jones a question at the 214 presser. Yes, it was. Yes, you got this. This is UFC staff handing me the microphone. Bach. I don't like you, Luke. I'm not going to answer your question. Okay.

All right. Luke, speaking of scorpions, you can call this guy Dwayne the Rock Johnson because he's the new scorpion king of the slopes luke this is not going to end well so get ready wow my neck my back oh no no just my back yeah no just my back i'll never walk again that was a good run though all right hey let's go over to Cage Warriors. Check out this stupidly insane multi-combination punch knockout here from Michal Figlak. Check this body of workout. That's not a real name.

Give it to him. Give it to him. Oh, my God. I mean, that's even better than the Fizzy F one. That's insane. Looks like he faded him over to the right and then finished him off that way. That was nice. Polish power.

Wow. All right. Hey, let's move on to the batting cages. Hey, Luke, good news. 364 more days until hockey tryouts. This is why you don't drink and bat. If you fall down in the line of fire. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Get young Coach Latorore out of there what's going on here look come on i gotta tell you though see here's the thing you know she's not in like the 65 mile an hour batting gauge because the ball has arc to it you know that's that's what is that the 15 the 25 not that not that bad that's slow pitch softball basically 40 says is that, the 15, the 25? Not that bad. That's slow-pitch softball, basically. 40 says Jay. That's not 40 miles an hour. All right. Can people hear Jay? I have no idea.

I have no idea. All right. Hey, tip-on tip-time, Luke. Did you see this picture from UFC middleweight champion Israel Adesanya and Andre Galvaio? Luke, it's a phenomenon. Double two-handed tip-to-tip.anya and Andre Galvaio. Luke, it's a phenomenon. Double two-handed tip-to-tip. It's Andre Galvao.

And, yes, I saw it only because 50,000 of the viewers sent it to me. How could I miss it? Okay. Speaking of tip-to-tip, Luke, who needs a fist bump when you can go dick-to-dick? What are the Bills doing here, bro? You know what? Josh Allen's a stud. I mean, they're winning. All right can go dick to dick. What are the Bills doing here, bro? You know what? Josh Allen's a stud. I mean, they're winning.

All right. Shout out to that. Hey, isn't that Ariel Helwani's favorite football team? You'd have to ask him. You'd have to ask him. All right. Hey, Luke, this got sent in by us by a viewer named Eduardo Reyes on Heroes of Gujitsu.

They had a little tip-to-tip moment recently. I have no idea what this is, Luke. Which one of these two is you and which one is me that's got to be me on the right rugged you know like intense you're very you know serious on the left yeah i think that's fine all right hey luke what when you look in the mirror i'm not sure you see what you're supposed to but okay keep going i see what i feel look you know like it a feeling. It's more of like a feeling. Fair enough. Fair enough.

Yeah, you're wrong about this one, BC. I mean, Luke is clearly the devil, and you're the small white guy. Jay, can they hear you call Luke the devil there? Yes. No, no, no. This time they could hear. Okay. All right.

Let's go to ACA, MMA, and Russia, Luke. If you want to recreate the closing seconds of Holloway-Lamas, don't do it with Levon macashvili good night wow these georgians bro they're different man they got longer these fucking guys i'm telling you georgia just all of a sudden exploded into mma yeah i mean look at wow yeah you can't stand and bang with a guy like that you cannot do it all right hey let's go over to one championship luke this following highlight was watched by a world record 84 billion people oh my god that's assault brother did you see that shit luke yeah usually that's the that's uh forbidden in certain tie boxing

competitions but like s1 allows it and i guess one says you can do that shit too good lord jonathan that's that 12 to 6 banger right there yeah i think even even matt hamill heard that one god wow all right luke uh boxing in germany on saturday this man's name is cw roman press he scored a fourth round knockout to remember wow luke that anthony joshua uppercut player yeah let's raise a pint of uh fine heffenweizen for that that pivette gandillion white fucking night night ender lennox lewis michael grant yeah that's a beautiful also uh arlovsky and matt ushenko same punch aj klitschko beautiful beautiful uh speaking of fights in germany luke i need you to focus your eyes this entire video on the chick with the red horns and the yellow

outfit um i've seen the devil luke and it's this chick watch the shit that she starts okay all right no one's gonna tell her how to dress where to be where to go okay boyfriend's trying to calm her down she's starting fights she's drinking too much right oh wow oh take some of that oh yeah right okay ferocious people are like who brought this chick she's taking down two guys luke but it doesn't end there look at her take a bite out of crime right about now oh oh wow single white female luke now does that make you nervous or like aroused uh a little both okay all right all right no word yet if she has Latino roots, Luke, but she's fantastic.

Okay, she's all yours. Luke, we know that training methods differ by country. Can we go over to the Dagestan desert here with Zabit Magomedsharapov? Luke, he's throwing rocks to get. And if he runs out, he can just pound the sand, Luke, right? Is this traditional? What's going on here? I don't know, bro, but this dude's going to be a money puncher and or shot putter yeah yeah yeah keep you know what

like like the front yard jim bc sometimes you just gotta take it back to mother earth you know what i'm saying i hear you about that hey luke you always get on me for my dated references well how about this one looks like the faa has finally tracked down db cooper and luke he's not going quietly they got him cornered where do you go next luke how do you get out of this look at that cop down there he's like i was supposed to be off today and all right he removes the shoes you fucking mongrels just won't let me have a day off because you are who you are. And I hate my life. And, you know, where's my taste?

He's bitter that his taser won't reach that far. You know what I mean? Yeah. Probably not going to end well, right? Trying to climb the edge of the tip of the wing as the authorities are closing in, Luke. They're going to hit this dude like they do. You ever seen those bears that climb trees? And the bear can't get down.

What are you going to do? You're're gonna reason with a fucking bear so they just trank gun it they're gonna tranquilize this fucking mongrel this guy's got something in his hand he's getting closer he's giving him one last chance oh no you know what hold on bc let's take a take a guess here. What do you want to say? What was this guy on? Ketamine? You know? Oh, PCP, probably.

You think so? That's acid. He was subsequently added to the no-fly list, Luke, but mostly because he'll never walk again. All right. This past Saturday, Luke, top-ranked boxing in Las Vegas. I don't know if you saw this co-main event, but can we pour one out for Masayoshi Nakatani,

the guy who lost to Teofimo in a close decision, and Felix Verdejo, the one-time stud prospect from Puerto Rico for top rank. Luke, this was supposed to be a setup fight for Verdejo to fight Teofimo. Verdejo knocked down Nakatashi twice, Nakatani, and then late in this fight, the tables turned. Did you see this dramatic war that they put on?

And you've been shouting it out, and so have others online, but I never got around to it. Look, one of the better fights of this year in boxing, it's been a bad year for boxing, but this is Nakatani getting off the canvas twice, scores two knockdowns, and finishes Verdejo. He hadn't fought Luke since the Teofimo fight. That's 18 months because he had some kind of broken jaw and a broken orbital bone or something. He healed.

He got back in it, and he went through the wars. He went to the hospital afterwards, too, with a lot of damage. That's a man right there. It's a different breed. He's a different breed of person. Amazing. All right. of damage um that's a man right there okay it's a different breed he's a different breed of person all right amazing all right hey luke a lot of people ask me about whether my prep for this show has changed now that we do three episodes a week and uh check out my boy wong lee tau this is how i get ready luke it's called the fine art of logging you're not it This is me having to deal with all your takes. Do you think this is how a chasey lane prepared to work with Rocco?

Luke? Yeah. I mean, it's life-size, right? It's like, it's true to form. Yeah.

It's just, yeah. All right. Well, there's that Luke. Okay. Um, Hey Luke,

people say this. Have you seen this as all, you know, knockouts and dong picks and us making fun of people? Let's have a good moment of the week. Did you see this little piece of business that happened out in the open water? A seagull lands on the ship. Goose is the guy.

That's a pelican, not a seagull. Pelican. And he picks him up. And Luke, sometimes like the difficult people in our life, they just need a hug. Luke, I'm in on this. You? That dude's going to get bird flu and fucking cause another pandemic. As long as this is the extent of how much they're going to touch, Luke,

if this is a good moment and this guy's not going to take this thing home, then I'm in on this. If you want me to ruin your day, you should look on YouTube of the video of the pelican who eats a pigeon in front of a kid at the zoo. No, that's right. And you can see how pelicans have those big ass like jowls and you can see the pigeon flapping

in the jowls trying to get free before he gets swallowed alive. It's great. Luke, if we have learned anything from this awful segment on the show, it is that skateboarding is dangerous and that's why us old white guys don't do it. Let's go to the videotape here luke uh break a leg sir yes in fact snap snap a leg in half luke take it home with you all right prosthetics they've come a long way but not enough to help bad skateboarders yeah i like how it bonks him on the head on the way up

it's a reminder about what a fucking idiot he is and in closing this week Luke you know all those people who say amateur wrestling is boring because there's not enough action can we move to Asia already what the hell's going on here Luke boy that's they're just hand fighting and clubbing now they're just fucking swinging

MMA is the shit this is why they're so hand fighting and clubbing. Now they're just fucking swinging. Oh, you. Dude, MMA is the shit. This is why they're so good at MMA in Russia, Luke. This is how they come up in the amateur wrestling game. I mean, this is great. Bro, that is a fucking. Look, that's great. Who says wrestling is boring? Fuck these people.

Look at them. By the way, they're hand tying. They're doing what's called clubbing. You know, where you can like, you put a collar tie on, but you do it really fucking hard. It's almost like you're slapping and punching, and then it just gets carried away. Where are these two gentlemen from? I'm guessing a place with a low GDP. Well, it's at wrestling underscore Russia, so I'm going to guess Caucasus, Luke,

because that's the go-to right now. They pick live fish out of the water and just take a bite out of it, right? These are different people, okay? Dude, these motherfuckers, they don't play games, bro. They're not worrying about wearing masks, okay? Fuck that. Bang it. All right.

Hey, that's it, Luke. That's it. You've seen it. You've seen it. All right. That's great. That's great. I love that.

All right, BC. With that in mind, it is time now for Odds and Ends. What do you have for odds and ends? Yeah, this may not, on paper, coming in, the Showtime Boxing Card Special Edition from Saturday night, may not have been star-studded, but you give a guy an opportunity at a main event, and he jumps through your screen.

That's what Chris Colbert did, not Colbert. He came in there at 130 pounds, good-looking name. This was a headlining opportunity and he delivered luke if you want to get people's attention sometimes you have to have swag colbert had that with the pink hair pink gloves ridiculous trunks but all you are is ridiculous if you can't back it up this was a thorough performance he switched stances throughout he landed clean power shots against a real tough guy in arboleda and when the opportunity was there to finish him in round 11 three knockdowns including there's the second

one that we debated earlier in which arboleda uh you know found himself and got back to it and then the stoppage shortly after against the ropes look 130 is a sometimes we look at it as an in-between division but we know politically in the boxing politics to fear that we just saw tank Davis and Leo Santa Cruz at one 30. We got Gary Russell jr. Who wants to move up and wait, let's add Chris Colbert now to this larger conversation. Cause here's a guy who wants your attention.

And this was spectacular. I mean, this was a great performance on Saturday. Yeah. Sick. And I like to get up and it was so so good did you see the tweet from our guy steven a smith about it luke yo y'all i just finished watching this kid featherweight chris colbert let me tell y'all something lightning quick spectacular boxer closest thing to floyd mayweather

i've seen as a talent might be too small for Gervonta but skill-wise can fight with anyone he's special Luke I'm only here to say positive things about Chris Colbert I love that victory I'm not here to go Floyd like what are we doing what are we doing here Luke remember when he said Cerrone lost because his butt cheeks got tight remember that and everyone was like yeah, that sounds so true. And I'm like, wow, this is really sad that we're entertaining this. Okay. Hey, good win, though.

Good win. Good night at the office. Steven gets paid very well for bad opinions. That's a great, great hustle. So congrats to him. Real quickly, I'll call a bit of an audible. I'll get to what I got to for the producers so they can run it in just a second. But first, two things for odds and ends.

We didn't get to it Friday, but it deserves to be noted. The judge in the class action case, the lawsuit from the fighters against the UFC, he certified the class. What does that mean? Well, before it was a bunch of people who were suing, but if this was not certified as a class, they'd have to redo the whole thing individually in lawsuits. Now they get to do it as one giant group. And you're asking, well, how big is that group? Well, because it takes place, the court defines a certain time in which the harms were done. It's anyone who fought at a certain date in the UFC. We're talking 1,200 fighters eligible. They can opt out if they want, but it's a big deal because there were two different kinds of certification. There was bout certification and there was identity certification or identity

class and bout class. The identity class was about claims related to likeness rights and getting money that way. Judge tossed it, but they were only asking for about $50 million in damages. It's the bout class where that gets certified. They're entitled to potentially billions. Now, what might be next? UFC is going to appeal it. If it gets appealed and overturned, then the whole thing starts over again.

My hunch is that it won't get overturned. You want to react to dana's comments luke i'd like to hear your take on dana's dana's like i know nothing about it i was like he goes he goes it's so little of a threat it's not even on my radar basically is what he said well in the sense that is it anything imminent he needs to get up today and worry about no is it something it something he can even think about in terms of the law strategy? In that sense, I understand what he's talking about because we're talking about lawyers and economists debating what is not monopsony. That's not Dana's job. That's not my job. That's not your job. That's for the courts to decide and for the economists to either convince or not convince the judges. In that sense,

it is very removed from his life. Whether or not you want to call it a threat is very different. And in fact, here's what's kind of interesting about it, BC. I suspect that if they try to appeal, which they will, and either the Ninth Circuit doesn't hear it or rules against UFC, they are 1000% going to look to settle. And at that point, you know, again, that would still be a function of everyone in UFC who has a role to play there understanding what proper compensation would look like but um they're not going to let this go to trial there's no way they let this go to trial because if they go to trial and they lose it could if not bankrupt them cost them way more money than settling would and New York Times had a good article about it saying the way in which they're defining

the fighters, how they want money, which is wage share. You know, no one's really tried a big level monopsony case, if not in a long time, if maybe ever. So that could have ramifications for other kinds of jobs and other kinds of industries with similar levels of arrangements and how people are grouped. And could somebody at Kinko's, for example, sue their boss and claim wage share? There's a lot of different ways in which it has ramifications beyond just fighting. So we'll see what happens. Long way to go. So Dana's right in that sense. And again, what's he going to do? He's going to argue for monopsony or not?

It's just removed from him. But if they lose the appeal on certification, then it becomes a very real threat. But in news that fight fans care about, we didn't get to the UFC 256 in the fifth point, but I just wanted to make sure we got it in here before the show closed. How about Gavin Tucker? 34 years old, guy lives in a fairly-ish remote part of Canada. You know, he had a bad loss to Rick Glenn years ago, but has

really rebounded. And man, Billy Quarantillo is nobody's pushover. And old Gavin Tucker gave him the business for the most part. I mean, it wasn't a beatdown, but it was a bit of a schooling BC, just showing real high-level skills in all the different parts of the game. Remember we were talking about Oliveira, and I said, you can have X, Y, and Z skills, but it doesn't mean you know how to fight. Well, Tucker is a perfect example of this. Yes, he's got the composite skills, but being able to blend them and being strategic and having a mind for it,

he did it. He looked awesome for the Saturday performance that he had. I think that's why sometimes your physical prime may be when you're, what, 25, 26, 27, but your real prime as a fighter a lot of times is in that 30 to 32, 33 area because the mind catches up with the body and the experience level and all that, Luke. Look, Billy Q loves to put pressure on it. He sort of just closed, you know, all the openings that were there. Billy Q just thought he'd overwhelm him like he'd done to put pressure on it. He sort of just closed all the openings that were there.

Billy Q just thought he'd overwhelm him like he'd done to everybody else this year. But well done from Gavin Tucker. A lot of tats, Luke. A lot of tats. Yeah, yeah. A lot of tats. Okay. Tits for tats, Luke, okay?

Toys for tots, BC. You should donate this year. It's a Marine Corps program. Everyone can get behind that, right? Giving toys to poor kids. What's wrong with that? Semper Fi, never die, Luke, okay? Okay.

Hey, what's on your shirt today? Does that say Black Zillions? What are you wearing right there? Yes, it says Black Zillions. No, it's Civilization Tattoo. It's a place that I've gotten many tattoos over the years, and I'm actually getting a tattoo coming up here very soon, BC. How about that?

All right, all right. One for your daughter. I'm going to get my biggest one to date how about that what on your arm right yeah on my arm all right there's a lot of flesh there from all them gains right all them gains uh all right i gotta catch a plane luke let's okay let's remind people reminder reminder because bc has to go on a jet plane. He's leaving us. We don't know when he'll be back again. But for the time being, we're going to do a year-end special, and also that involves getting some questions from you donks for Christmas,

which is what we need. So go to Apple Podcasts, leave us a review if you're so inclined. Five stars would be – thank you very much. Leave a question in there. We get enough of those in there. We'll put together a special episode for you guys. So the content flow, the fire hose stays open. So you can get as much of that as you want.

So please go do that. Okay. Yeah. We will be dropping an episode on Christmas filmed before, like we did on Thanksgiving, but you send it. I'll answer it. That's my deal for you. And then Luke, we're getting oh so close.

I want to tease this a little. Okay, do it. To episode 100. This will be a celebration like UFC 100. It has to be our highest rated, most downloaded, most pay-per-view buys of any episode ever, Luke. We are assembling right now a guest list that would blow people's minds for a special episode 100. I can't leak the names yet right mostly because we want to make sure they actually want to be on it but this is going to be awesome luke okay it's

going to be spectacular we're going to crack cold ones we're going to put the future of our jobs on the line and just be real okay uh okay very good i agree with I mean, I don't want to tease it too much because a lot of ways it could go, but if it goes the way we want it to go, it's going to be one of those. All right, for Wednesday's fan submissions, we still have to do socials. It's Wednesdays, and of course, dead wrong, morningcombat at gmail.com, the official email of the show. Hit us up there at any point you want. We are also on social media more generally.

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And then of course, to Showtime.com. If you like it, you can keep it. If not, you can go pound sand. And then, of course, store.show.com. Be on the lookout for deals coming up soon on merch or you can just buy merch full price now. We don't get a cut of it either way, so it doesn't really matter what you do with your money in that sense. Okay? What did I forget, BC? Let them believe that this goes directly to

your little one and Abuela and Uncle PP. Come on, it all helps. Can you stop being, it's not quite racist because you don't mean it that way, but, you know, when you're constantly getting the names wrong of people who don't have languages like you, it's Pepe. Felipe, can you say that nicely, please? I don't make fun of your relatives. You want me to start?

I can. Well, yeah, there's a lot to make fun of on this side want me to start i can well we yeah we yeah there's a lot to make fun of on this side of the tracks luke okay we all we all breathed in the same factory fumes drank out of the river all right you know we're lucky you're lucky today will you stop valorizing this shit you're fine you're okay your life's good you make i know your checks are you make nice checks you're good uh by the way tell the folks where you're going so they know to be on the lookout and plug in their DVRs now. Yes, please.

Thursday night, NBC Sports Network, 9 p.m. Eastern. Another episode of Ring City USA, a really great up-and-coming contender boxing series. We've got Charles Cromwell. Charles Cornwell. Sorry. I'm sorry. My name is all over the place right now.

A rising stud. He's been on Showbox a bunch of times. He'll be Charles Cromwell. Wow. I'm sorry. My name is all over the place right now. A rising study has been on Showbox a bunch of times. He'll be Charles Conwell. Wow. I'm Brian Crumble here. I'm sorry. He'll be there in the main event on Thursday night. But just a fun series from the parking lot of the wildcard gym there. We're going to preview the shows later this week. I got some big time guests planned this week as well. So you're going to be seeing a lot of me from inside that quarantine Los Angeles hotel room, which I'm not allowed to leave at any point for five straight days.

So that's great. All right. Bring a lot of underwear, Luke. I'll be there, okay? All right. Well, enjoy your eggs in a weird little thingy that you carry them in. There you have it.

We'll be on the lookout for it. We will talk to you on Wednesday, good sir. We've got some interviews coming this week, so be on the lookout for those with some A-listers too, buddy. I know what's happening this way, so be on the lookout for it. We will talk to you on Wednesday, good sir. We've got some interviews coming this week, so be on the lookout for those with some A-listers too, buddy. I know what's happening this way. So be on the lookout for it. Thank you guys so much for watching. Thumbs up.

Hit the subscribe button. We'll see you guys on Wednesday. And until then, may all of your gains be loyal. Thank you. We'll be right back. We'll see you next time.