MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC 257: Poirier KOs McGregor, Chandler Impresses | Pacquiao vs. Garcia? | Ep. 110

Episode Date: January 25, 2021

What a wild weekend of combat sports and MK is back to cover it all. The boys recap a crazy UFC 257 event that saw Dustin Poirier knockout Conor McGregor in round 2. What's next for both fighters (6:2...5)? Plus, former Bellator lightweight champion Michael Chandler impressed in his debut against Dan Hooker and Marina Rodriguez, Joanne Calderwood & Makhmud Muradov all picked up wins (46:00). Also, Manny Pacquiao is in talks to fight...Ryan Garcia??!?! What do we make of it (57:50). ---------------------------- 'Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit: store.sho.com   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat  To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 It is Monday, January 25th, 2021, and it's time, diggity donks, for Morning Combat. Hello, everyone. Welcome inside our Jersey City bomb shelter fucking thing here we call the studio. We welcome you inside. It has been a long week for Brian and I. We are two old losers trying to capture our youth through the course of entertaining banter, and we've succeeded mildly in that in the last week. But here we are today to discuss UFC 257, answer your questions, look at some viral videos, and a whole lot more. I'm Luke Thomas from CBS Sports. That's my co-host here. Name co-host. No, that's Brian Campbell, also from
Starting point is 00:01:00 CBS Sports. Hi, BC. The sag to your balls? Is that where we go with that, Luke? You're the cue to my Anon. Oh, indeed. Indeed. Luke, I was asking you if the charcoal gray looks slimmer than the black. I'm trying to look less fat for the final show. I think you look fine.
Starting point is 00:01:14 I think you look fine. Because people don't know that you ordered, I don't know, $179 worth of Taco Bell last night. I mean, pretty close. Now, we didn't eat most of it. In fact, we just left it in my fridge. But they delivered it, and BC was actually curling how much weight there was to get in shape because we ordered a fucking mountain of Taco Bell. And then we went to sleep at 9 p.m., like two geriatric losers.
Starting point is 00:01:35 First of all, not in the same room, not in the same bed. We watched football together, and he was in my room. And then at halftime for Chiefs-Bills, he was like, I've got to go call the wife and kids. I'm old. And he farted on the way out and was like holding his rear end as he walked out. I was like, oh, boy. Luckily, documentary crews have been with us most of the week,
Starting point is 00:01:53 so this should be what a wild turn of events the last few days around team morning combat. Yeah, well, let's do this. First of all, thanks to everyone who might be new here who subscribed over the weekend. We did a lot of content in the lead up to UFC 257, plus a lot of content certainly afterwards. So for folks who are new to us, who came to us from our post-fight show, welcome. This is our more typical show. We do it three times a week at 11 a.m. in the East, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. But we do put a lot more content up there, interviews, live chats, and a whole lot more. Yeah, we're not only doing it and doing it, we're doing it well, right?
Starting point is 00:02:26 Let's see if they get the 90s counter. We got some new people running the back. We'll see how that goes. You can see all of the ways to follow us on social media. Should be noted, of course, that the good folks at Showtime make this show possible. So if you'd like to try Showtime, you can give it a trial free for 30 days. If you like it, you can keep it.
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Starting point is 00:02:54 some hats, some shirts, some hoodies, tons of good stuff. High quality. You have to live basically in a place where they can actually just throw it to you from the factory. If you either represent Queens or were raised down in Brooklyn, you could probably buy it, if not in the United States. Oh, I see the 90s references.
Starting point is 00:03:09 They put you back in studio, you start bringing them back. Yeah, I get the feeling it just comes out. Hey, how about this guy, Lou? I'm sorry, Sweet Lou getting me the coffee right here? Yeah. Wait, this is not the same guy who, thank you so much, Lou, who was re-racking behind the camera. Yeah, it is.
Starting point is 00:03:23 He's like, my keys are in my pocket. I said cream, not... The dude was jingling for five minutes. I'm like, I don't think it takes that long to find the keys. But, okay, we have a lot of stuff to get to today. UFC 257 in the books. We gave you our immediate reaction, but there was a ton we left out. So we'll get to that.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Plus, we have some boxing news to get to as well. So you ready, BC? I'm so not ready. I got the Dustin Poirier hot sauce, which by the way, there's a review of that on the channel as well. Oh, and please watch our room service diaries, all that, because we face fucked the camera most of the week. And I think it was consensual at the very least, right, Luke? Yeah. Well, also, we were going to do a room service diaries yesterday, but yeah, we're old. It was not going to happen, so no. And will you
Starting point is 00:04:04 admit that you blew off the documentarian team on Saturday? I had a hangover, and I told them to go pound sand. That's what I did. They wanted to watch you work out. They wanted to do a few weird things. It wasn't going to happen, bro. I just didn't have it in me. So, all right.
Starting point is 00:04:15 I'll carry it. I'll carry it for the sake of art. Thank you. It's not really art, but okay. Look, if I was arting in my pants right now, would you want to at least be aware of that? No. I want you to die. Okay. Let's get this going here. Five No. I want you to die. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:25 Let's get this going here. Five topics. Let's go to topic number one if we can. Dustin Poirier wins at UFC 257. Folks are like, this is not an upset. Yes, it was. He was a plus 200 plus underdog. That makes him, by definition, well, his win, his victory anyway, an upset.
Starting point is 00:04:42 But okay. Neither here nor there. He wins in pretty spectacular fashion. To the point where, BC, we went over this on Saturday night. We both had McGregor winning the first round, but then really Poirier laid the foundation for what he would build on in the second, and that eventually caused the stoppage. We'll talk about what happened to McGregor in just a second,
Starting point is 00:04:59 but let's rightfully focus on the hot sauce winner here, Dustin Poirier. He's the sauce, not me. That guy's the sauce. Certainly this weekend. What should and what will a win like this do for Dustin Poirier? How transformative is it? Yeah, I mean, it cements him as an all-time great. His resume coming in before this one was already spectacular, but this is certainly one of those moments where you stop when someone's still in their prime and still in their run, and you just kind of give them that extra shine and be like, we are watching an all-time great career play out right now. I mean, to go since the first loss to McGregor in 2014, essentially 12-2, and your only losses are a one-punch flash knockout to Michael Johnson and getting humbled and dominated by Habib Nurmagomedov, who everybody gets humbled and dominated against. It's all killer, no filler through that. And by going
Starting point is 00:05:49 back and beating McGregor in this fight and having it kind of be the biggest win of his career, he slayed all the demons of who he used to be. And he, you know, what should happen? He probably should be your UFC lightweight champion right now. I mean, UFC kind of bungled in the sake of the hope of getting Conor Habib to kind of bungled in the sake of the hope of getting Conor Habib to kind of bungled the whole title picture this weekend. We've been very open and honest about it. You can never lose having Conor McGregor at a pay-per-view main event in a very competitive
Starting point is 00:06:14 matchup in which you can lose, but I really thought that should have been your title fight. Now we know seemingly for sure Habib's not coming back. I don't know if I need to wait another fight to give Poirier his moment, because whether he ever wears that full title or not, and he's certainly deserving at this point, this win over McGregor is, to me, Luke, it's the full bloom. It's the full achievement of his promise.
Starting point is 00:06:37 He went back to the drawing board in 2014, and brick by brick built this thing, and he crossed the path on Saturday. Again, title or not, he's basically your UFC lightweight champion right now. Never be higher in the history books than Habib, rightfully so, but I think he cemented himself among the all-time greats here, and this is it, man. He climbed the mountain, right? He climbed the damn mountain.
Starting point is 00:06:59 If he fights Chandler next for the vacant belt and he wins that, there's still another great moment. But I think he already achieved it in a weird way, which is something he tweeted out just an hour ago. I am the champion. There's nothing wrong with that statement. Certainly nothing wrong with it at all. I mean, what's kind of funny is if you think about it, BC, if someone were to ask us, hey, do you think Eddie Alvarez is one of the greatest lightweights ever?
Starting point is 00:07:17 I would absolutely say yes. And there's a lot of reasons you could point to that. I mean, he had dominance in virtually every organization. He was in at least for a short amount of time, including the UFC, where he was champion for a brief time before losing to McGregor. But, you know, he was a champion in Bellator. He was a champion in Dream and everything else. Bodog fights.
Starting point is 00:07:34 Bodog fights. The guy held a million belts or beat guys who held them at the time. And so you ask yourself, you know, does his resume hold up to be put in that category? Not the best lightweight ever, but okay. But if you look at Dustin Poirier's resume, one of the things that's still missing is an undisputed UFC lightweight title. He, of course, was the interim title after he beat Max in that famous card in Atlanta. But I'm with you. The fact that he doesn't have it technically, I'm not going to say it's insignificant because it does matter on some level to have that versus not.
Starting point is 00:08:11 But this moment over the weekend was when he crossed into one of the elite lightweights of our time to one of the elite lightweights dot, dot, dot of all time. If Habib is around, that's the guy. But if he's retired, Poirier is the guy. And it looks by all indications that Habib is gone. In which case, Dustin Poirier is the best active lightweight on earth, whether there is a belt crowning him or not. That's saying so much given where we are historically in this division right now. After he lost to Conor McGregor and he fought Diego Fajardo,
Starting point is 00:08:35 you're like, okay, he has some promise up at lightweight. But every time these guys switch weight classes, a lot of times what you'll see is they do it a little bit late in their run or they do it to like desperation. Or, you know, get some fresh matchups, and they get some wins, and it's not a waste of time. But he did it early enough in his youth, so to speak, such that by the time he made the switch, he still had time to build.
Starting point is 00:08:59 He still had time to change. He still had time to learn lessons and right those wrongs. And there were still some bumps along the way, as you indicated, with Habib and Michael Johnson. But one of the things about Poirier that stands out to me is he had a lot of natural ability, but what he really had was a commitment to the idea that work over time results in something special. And it doesn't come easy, and it doesn't come quickly. But if you just keep working, if you just keep, I always say keep I always say swinging that axe that tree will fall
Starting point is 00:09:26 To me even with the questions about McGregor. Where is easy coming? Is he going? How good is he to me? It doesn't matter you can look around the rest of the division He's basically beaten everybody else that is there to be beaten. He only didn't get a chance to fight Tony That's really the only thing he's missing right right and again, I don't want to say that Oh, well, Olivera beat him. it doesn't count. I mean, that's Oliveira appears to be the next big thing as well, so we'll see how that goes. But right now, Dustin Poirier deserves your acknowledgement
Starting point is 00:09:52 as the best active lightweight and I think has entered the pantheon of one of the all-time great lightweights we've ever seen in the sport. I hope he gets a chance to get a title wrapped around his waist, you know, after the fact. I don't know if that will come. I hope he gets a couple pay-per-view, you know,spot, A-slot spots coming up, or A-side, if you will, on that.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Do you think he'll ever leave pay-per-view now? In terms of the commercial change, Nate Diaz, you couldn't imagine fighting on free TV. It just wouldn't make sense. Is that the space you think that he's in now? 100%. I think at his core, he's an incredible B-side to any superstar. But now it's his chance to try to be the A-side, to try to capture this championship and do it. And, again, we're not really sure if McGregor can come all the way back to where a trilogy is warranted.
Starting point is 00:10:37 I mean, a trilogy will probably happen more likely than it not happening. But McGregor's got to kind of come back and earn that. It's Poirier's time right now. I want to kind of see what he can do marketing-wise because, you know, you couldn't have more reasons to cheer for the guy in terms of how he's handled himself. And it's just, again, it was humbling to see Conor McGregor knocked out,
Starting point is 00:10:56 laying down in the meme against the cage. I mean, that meme's everywhere right now. That man sent him there. That man. That guy. And it just reminds me, too, it's kind of interesting, like, all of the blood and, you know, just ugliness and vitriol of everything you saw at UFC 229. This was the opposite of that.
Starting point is 00:11:15 This was, you know, even after the fact, there was tons of videos that came out of Poirier being quite gentlemanly towards Conor, not rubbing it in, you know, celebrating, but in a professional way. And listen, you beat Conor McGregor, you have a right to celebrate. Would you have preferred he grabbed the mic and was like, who's the P-head now, biatch? No. Would you have liked that?
Starting point is 00:11:30 Because it almost would have ruined it. This was not a quest to stick it to Conor. That's the whole part about Dustin that really stands out to me. This was not the Count of Monte Cristo. This was not a revenge plan because that would have gotten him back into the same psychological problems that got him hemmed up the first time. Yeah. This was about a revenge plan because that would have gotten him back into the same psychological problems that got him hemmed up the first time. This was about a quest of self.
Starting point is 00:11:49 This was about self-actualization. This was about your own struggles internally. And because he kept it so centered, I believe he was able to have the most amount of success as a consequence. Agree or disagree? I fully agree with you on that. Also, Monte Cristo is a fantastic sandwich,
Starting point is 00:12:05 except for the rye element. What is a Monte Cristo? Actually, I don't think I've ever had one. It's very greasy, but it's rye bread-based, and it's just not my thing, all right? It tastes disgusting. Isn't bread and grease like your actual thing? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:16 I mean, I can swim in it if I have to, right? But, yeah. Is Dustin going to get as famous from this as Nate got? No, because he's not, to steal Conor's nickname, notorious enough, right? He does it by the book, and that seems to hold you back marketing-wise to a certain degree unless the element of your success just overtakes that. Somebody like a Jon Jones or a Tiger Woods even, right, where they're not that cool in front of the microphone, but the totality of their success takes over.
Starting point is 00:12:43 He's never going to be that big, but again, he does have a window here. I mean, look at the potential fights we're talking for Poirier that are up next, whether they're the kind of fights he has to take because the guys are next in the rankings, like the Olivares, the Chandlers, or whether he can end up getting Nate Diaz himself in a pay-per-view main event, or end up doing the trilogy with Conor, or end up... Dude, you could name so many fights in this division, a rematch with Gaethje. There are so many huge opportunities here for Dustin Poirier to find out how far he can go star-wise.
Starting point is 00:13:10 Like, Luke, this win, to me, secured him maximizing his potential in this sport, right? He came full circle, but commercially, he's already overachieving in a lot of ways. Let's see how far he can push it. You're going to have to keep winning to do that, but it's out there. MMA Fighting's Jed Mishu in a lot of ways. Let's see how far he can push it. You're going to have to keep winning to do that, but it's out there. MMA Fighting's Jed Mishu, last piece on this.
Starting point is 00:13:27 MMA Fighting's Jed Mishu had a tweet suggesting that there's no one more deserving of this moment than Dustin Poirier. And I agree, but it's worth reflecting on why. Because there are lots of people who train really hard, maybe just as hard as Dustin, to be quite honest with you, who don't ever achieve this. Part of the reason, though, why I feel like he deserves it is, one, he did the work. But two, and I bring this up, and people, I don't think, maybe it's not that much of a point, but I feel like it is.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Dude, you just never hear anything bad about him, not even whispers. He never has conflicts in the gym. He never gets arrested bad about him. Not even whispers. He never has conflicts in the gym. He never gets arrested for drunk driving. The cops are never showing up to his house. His tattoos aren't even offensive. They're pretty damn cool. Some of them are pretty good, actually. Not all of them. Some are kind of bad.
Starting point is 00:14:15 But again, everyone who has good tattoos has bad tattoos. But to your point, there are just not many guys in the game who play by the rules. Who had to fight the guys he had to fight to regroup. All killer, right? Just monster after monster. And he did it piece by piece, hard as shit every time, never got in trouble, never had a USADA flag, never had to put out a statement about anything he did.
Starting point is 00:14:40 It's hard to win at LifeBC being the good guy, doing things by the book, and he did it. I know. I know. I would know that, Luke, all right? Dude, you are. I know you cheat on your taxes. Luke, I was going to say that if the future direction of this show goes, and look, the documentary cameras probably picked up some of the dark tension and the stuff we're working through here this weekend, but if you get impeached from this podcast one day and I go searching for Canadian replacements, would you at least pardon the tattoo artist
Starting point is 00:15:08 that worked on Amanda Hebus' dad's tattoo? No, guilty as charged. Because I still think that you owe that family an apology. No, dad's really sweet. My dad would never get a tattoo like that, but it doesn't make the tattoo good. That's a separate question. Not cool at all. Thank you very much.
Starting point is 00:15:22 All right, so now it leads us to, I think, one of the bigger questions, if I may. Point number two here. Conor McGregor. This is a real crossroads moment for him. He loses in the second round to a former rival, foe, but certainly an opponent who we're now saying is an all-time great. You jumped the gun on the rundown, Luke. This is your problem. Oh, I fucked this up. This is not a Jay issue. This is not a... Yeah, this is a Luke issue. You know what? I blame Jay just the same. Put a pin in that. We will come back to you. You can see it there on the rundown. I apologize. Okay, BC. I know you put out an article yesterday on CBS Sports. So with this in mind, we'll talk about McGregor in a second, although he is part
Starting point is 00:16:00 of this conversation as well. We have a great moment here at lightweight because Chandler needs an opponent. Who's next for Poirier? Diaz tweeting that he wants some of that Poirier smoke. How about Dobronkz becoming Leon Edwards in this? Yeah, there's a lot to talk about here. Okay, so let's start with the matchmaking process. Start with Poirier, maybe McGregor next, and let's work our way down through the rankings. How do you see the next stage of the matchmaking for this division?
Starting point is 00:16:24 I think what Dana White said after this fight is correct. The next fight to make for me is Poirier-Chandler for the vacant title. Now, just to interrupt real quickly, he didn't express a lot of interest in that. I'm going to get to that. So just on its surface, it's an all-action, awesome fight. It makes sense from this standpoint. Is Charles Oliveira more deserving? Yeah, he is, Luke. And I get that side of Dustin Poirier's reaction in saying, I've been there and back in this sport. I've had to earn it so much. You're bringing in a guy off the streets from another organization.
Starting point is 00:16:52 You're going to give him one win and cut the line. Well, here's the deal. That one win's pretty freaking awesome. He knocked out Dan Hooker in the first round, somebody who had gone five rounds with Dustin Poirier, who is screaming with title potential, yet kind of keeps flipping wins and losses on the elite level. But also, the UFC put Chandler in such an incredible spot to succeed.
Starting point is 00:17:14 Like, they put him up on the podium. They said, we're going to give you a really tough matchup, but your debut is going to come in the co-main event of a Conor McGregor pay-per-view with the potential of a win lifting you to maybe a Conor McGregor pay-per-view with the potential of a win lifting you to maybe a Conor McGregor pay-per-view fight for the title. I mean, there was no better prop-up attempt to make, say, Chandler, if you're the real deal, show us at 257. Luke, he knocked out Dan Hooker, did a backflip off the top, and then caught pro-wrestling promos calling out every big name. Like, at this point, he did everything you asked of him and more, and he's still probably a little
Starting point is 00:17:45 bit more marketable than Charles Oliveira. I think that's the fight to make. What I don't understand is Poirier's sort of extreme stance against it. It's a little weird, right? Okay, I get the structure of what he's saying, right? This guy didn't really earn it, and to Poirier's credit, he said Oliveira earned it. I would
Starting point is 00:18:02 fight that guy next. This shows you Poirier's not chasing pay-per-view buys. I mean, he's chasing the right things. But with that said, dude, he made four to five references of why he doesn't think he should fight Chandler next, why he won't fight Chandler next. And was it me, or did he kind of infer in the post-fight press conference that he's almost like, if you want me to fight Chandler next, UFC,
Starting point is 00:18:20 here, take the belt. You know what I mean? Like, I've already done it. Why so serious? I get, and honestly, there were fans who sort of echo what he was saying as well, that like, okay, Chandler did great. I mean, what could you say about Chandler? Like, everything, to your point, that was supposed to
Starting point is 00:18:36 go well about it, did. But that Olivera's done more work, and Olivera's been in the trenches. I mean, yes, to a degree, I think that is certainly true. In certain ways, unambiguously true. I mean, yes, to a degree, I think that is certainly true. In certain ways, unambiguously true. On the other hand, it would be to me a bit of a waste where you've got a champion in a rival organization that comes over with all of the questions, all of the doubt, and he aces the test like that. If it was close and even like a dominating decision,
Starting point is 00:19:02 I could still see the case for Oliveira. And in some ways, that would actually be more of a proving ground because you would have had more tape. But to go in there against a guy, and even Poirier mentioned it to Brett Okamoto, dude, even Poirier was like, that was impressive because Hooker's a durable guy. I threw everything at that guy and I couldn't put him away. Hooker's a motherfucker. He's a super motherfucker. And then for a guy like Chandler to just ice him in the way that he did, I think you have to reward that level of achievement.
Starting point is 00:19:32 I think you have to reward. I said it before. We said it on Saturday night. Dude, the UFC did this one right. There's a lot of times they do it wrong, but they did this one right. They signed the guy when it was the last but still good remaining opportunity to do that. They promoted the hell out of him even though he didn't have the fight, by putting him on the Fight Island thing, and he's talking to John Anik and blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:19:50 And then they book him in a fight against someone who was, we thought, going to be a very tough test for him. And he blew the doors off that guy. Now is the time to strike with that. He turned into Peter North. I mean, it was never ending. He did not have sexual relations with him. And then jizz a lake on top of him.
Starting point is 00:20:06 But look, like, the only questionable handling, again, was not putting at the very least an interim title on the main event because they did put Tony Ferguson and Kevin Lee one time with an interim title. Like, I'm still blown away that that main event happened this weekend and we didn't get a title on it. But, look, I think that's the fight to make. Again, I don't fully understand Poirier's sort of dismissal of it because I'm not questioning his toughness
Starting point is 00:20:27 or if he thinks this is a bad matchup or if he's trying to squiggle away because that's not who Poirier is. Again, he said Oliveira deserves it more. Let me fight him. And that's maybe even a more dangerous matchup in a lot of ways than Chandler at the end of the day. But for them being friendly, Poirier and Chandler,
Starting point is 00:20:42 and there's footage of them backstage hugging and pounding and stuff, it was just a little bit weird. But I still think that's the right way to go. In fact, I don't think there's a chance in hell they're going to do Poirier-Olivera. I just don't think that's what the UFC would do next. No. No, I certainly don't agree.
Starting point is 00:20:56 So then that would mean Charles Olivera has to fight Justin Gaethje. Of the people coming in off of a loss in the lightweight division, I think Gaethje is holding the most cards. He's got the most retailable value. I don't know if that made any sense, Luke. But the point is, he didn't suck as bad as we think he did against Nurmagomedov. He was maybe one leg-strick away from putting him in peril. I don't know if you saw that.
Starting point is 00:21:19 Well, you are committed to that. I'm going down. I'm Titanic-ing that. Near, far, wherever I am, okay? But I do believe that, you know, his wins leading into that. This is the guy right now. And, Luke, you and I have said it a million times. You can almost take any two in the top 15 here, and you're like,
Starting point is 00:21:36 holy shit, that's a badass matchup. Olivera Gaethje is a freaking badass matchup. How upset would you be if the UFC made Poirier Diaz next for the title? I wouldn't be upset because I get it, and that's what they do, and there is part of me that believes that they effed up the handling of Nate in the aftermath of the two counterfights. They just straight up
Starting point is 00:21:58 have effed it up, right? But you would really like to have seen him come in off a win. That's why of the fights I booked on the CBS Sports Story, I'm like, hey, if you need Nate Diaz to get a fight at 155 and you need it to be credible enough where it would warrant him getting a title shot next, maybe put him in there with Paul Felder.
Starting point is 00:22:16 I don't know if he's going to win it, but that's the type of fight where you're like, Nate Diaz, Paul Felder? Okay, he kind of earns it right there. Going right to it, Luke, would feel bad. Wouldn't make me feel as bad, though, as Dan Hendo at 46 getting the Bisping title shot. And by the way, he almost won the damn fight. It was close.
Starting point is 00:22:32 But that was really kind of... I'm going to read you some names to see what should be next. Dan Hooker. Kevin Lee. It's a crossroads opportunity. We don't know. Did Dan Hooker retire on Saturday night? If he put the gloves down, did he finally retire?
Starting point is 00:22:44 I don't see independent and subsequent confirmation of that, so I tend to feel that that was just a really hard moment for him. Maybe he dropped them on the way out and didn't realize it. Could be that. It's possible, okay? Listen, I'm sure he was feeling quite bad about it, but I would love to see him reconsider. He's 30.
Starting point is 00:22:56 I'd like to see him take some time off, but isn't Kevin Lee, the future UFC champion Kevin Lee, the perfect fight to kind of find out the answers of both of the guys that we need, right? RDA. Give him the most un to kind of find out the answers of both of the guys that we need, right? RDA. Give him the most unheralded guy in the division. Not Dobronks, but how about Fajeda? Is it Carlos Diego Fajeda? Yeah, he was very good.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Who is on a, what, at 35 years old, he's on like a six-fight win streak, and no, he doesn't have the knock- Including submitting Anthony Pettis. And he doesn't have the knock-your-socks-off type wins, but the Pettis one was pretty damn awesome. I would love that with RDA, and I think Fajita still has an uphill battle, even with a win there to get something huge. But if RDA wins that,
Starting point is 00:23:32 you could see him getting a really big fight. I mean, you could see him doing RDA-McGregor next. It's in play. I personally would book what you said on Saturday night, which is McGregor against Tony Ferguson. I really think that's the fight to make. It makes so much damn sense. It would be fun as shit. It's kind of the perfect fight to eliminate the loser
Starting point is 00:23:48 from the title picture moving forward. Would you be upset if they did... The reason why I'm not answering these questions is because I don't even know what to do anymore when they make fights like this. You're a little bitchy on predictions too, but we don't hold that against you, right? You routinely hold that against me.
Starting point is 00:24:03 You've got extreme gas from fast food. I just live with that, Luke. But the point is, though. Hold on. Let me ask a question, which is if they did the trilogy, so they did Poirier-McGregor three immediately. That's the next fight. And that one's for the belt.
Starting point is 00:24:16 It's shameful if they would go right to the Poirier-McGregor trilogy right now. McGregor just got knocked out. It wasn't a flash punch. He got beat down and knocked out in a fight that he was kind of winning and having moments. Sort of. He's just not deserving of a title fight right back like this. So, again, could I put it past UFC to do it?
Starting point is 00:24:37 No. But the point is, I think McGregor would have to fight a Ferguson or even an RDA, Luke. That was the fight that never happened from UFC 196. That's a pay-per-view main event. I mean, McG from UFC 196. That's a pay-per-view main event. I mean, McGregor against anybody next is a pay-per-view main event. We're going to get specifically into him next, McGregor, in terms of his future. But those are your two options right there.
Starting point is 00:24:53 And I think he can beat Tony, and I think the RDA one is actually a pretty good match. Last but not least, Paul Felder. I had thrown out there Nate Diaz as a fight. He is not fighting Paul Felder. Paul Felder is sitting at eight. Nate Diaz is going to fight the guy at eight? Well, if they're grooming him to go right into the title fight with Poirier.
Starting point is 00:25:11 So you're saying that you don't believe Nate Diaz would need grooming? I think Nate Diaz would absolutely need grooming, but whether Nate Diaz, just knowing him and his people, they're not taking a fight with Paul Felder. Do you think the UFC would make Poirier Diaz next for the title? And say F. Hughes Chandler, basically.
Starting point is 00:25:28 I think it's a normal possibility, yes. If Chandler does not get the title fight next, who do you think he should fight? Is it Dobronks? Sure. Yeah. Damn, that'd be a fucking sick fight. They're all sick fights. This is the one thing about matchmaking right now. I like basically all the ones you came up with.
Starting point is 00:25:43 But honestly, it's hard to go wrong. I mean, you can make fights now that don't make as much sense as other ones, but you can go in a lot of different directions than BC or I were going in, and I'd be like, yeah, those are all great fights. It's so much potential at the top five, top seven
Starting point is 00:26:00 or eight of lightweight right now. It's ridiculous. I'm getting hard thinking about all of it. Alright, well, you just made the show awful. Let's go to point number three. All right, this is the one I was supposed to do. You know, I was messing it up before. But Conor McGregor, I think, you know, maybe he's at a crossroads, maybe he's not.
Starting point is 00:26:15 I mean, that's, I think, debatable. But this is an interesting moment. Is the Conor McGregor mystique gone? And here's what I mean. Two of his last three fights in MMA, he's lost. Three of his last four, technically, if you count the pro boxing matches. He's done a lot of losing he's done inside combative sports recently. And more to the point, BC, I asked you a question,
Starting point is 00:26:35 and you answered it, I think, correctly, which was, is this win for Poirier going to do what it did for Nate Diaz? Now, there are some differences there. That was shocking and really out of nowhere Nate took the fight on last-minute notice We all know the story plus you know the Diaz brothers have this kind of cult following that I don't know Poirier had exactly the same and so he's a little harder to market That was like a validation of the Diaz brothers sort of anti establishment thing totally, you know graduating right?
Starting point is 00:27:01 I mean your Conor McGregor took everything I worked for and he was fighting with the deal with the UFC to that, to the RDA fight we'd been over when we did the retrospective on Conor's career. So for all those reasons, I think that's true. But there's another reason why I think it might be true, which is that is it as big of a deal now to beat Conor McGregor? Not really. Not really. Well, moving forward, no, it won't be. Certainly. Well, I mean, again, it's still going to do wonders for you.
Starting point is 00:27:25 But the question for you is this, BC, is the mystique on, what does it say that beating McGregor, while still impressive and uniquely important, no doubt about it, doesn't mean the same thing that it used to? No, it doesn't. So, look, in the aftermath of the fight, and obviously your analysis, your reaction to things can change, shocked by that knockout.
Starting point is 00:27:41 Not that it wasn't possible, but just, again, that moment of seeing McGregor down, you're now recalculating everything. And what I took in right afterwards on HQ on this set when we did the MK Reaction show is you know, I thought McGregor got beat by a better guy. And that's still true. Let's not waste too much time talking about McGregor
Starting point is 00:27:57 when this is Poirier's damn time. He got beat by an all-time great guy who figured him out and came around after a slowish start. I was, you know, look, McGregor won the first round. You go back and watch that fight. He had Poirier rocked at one point. In fact, Poirier in the post-fight press conference said, you know, I was really one punch away from being stopped in that sequence. I was hurt. Potentially. Potentially. I was hurt and maybe McGregor didn't realize it. So I thought, you know, look, he's not as good as this version of Poirier, but could he go back to the drawing board and get consistent
Starting point is 00:28:25 and take a bunch of fights in short time? There's still time. He's only 32. But, Luke, we went back to your room, and this is not the plot line of an adult movie here. I'm not going down that road. I'm saying that we rewatched the fight. You rewatched it twice in a row while we were sitting there. And the more I rewatched Conor in there,
Starting point is 00:28:41 the more I just had a different tune, Luke. You know, not over-dramatizing this, not trying to give you some giant hot take here, but I think the sport has passed Conor McGregor by. Permanently or for right now? Permanently. He's still young enough at 32 and
Starting point is 00:28:57 still has certainly a default level of hunger that, again, has defined him. I just don't think he has maybe the right amount of hunger that, again, has defined him, right? I just don't think he has maybe the right amount of hunger to catch up to where he lost. The inactivity we found out in the end, if he was in there against somebody that would have gone down with those left hands, and by the way, a lot of fighters would have, a lot of elite fighters I even think would have, we may not have had this discussion because McGregor could have gone in there and had a little struggle, but then
Starting point is 00:29:22 landed that left cross and you're like, holy shit, he's still got the power. I still think he does have the power, but I think when you specifically go back and watch everything from the footwork to the mannerisms to really the remedial level in which he reacted to calf strikes, which, yeah, is something that wasn't as prevalent the last time this guy was consistently active, you know, it feels like it has passed him by, and with the totality of the money he's earned and the fact that, Luke, it's hard to recreate that passion and intensity that you have on the original climb up the ladder. And as you and I talked about it, when he got to this point after beating Aldo,
Starting point is 00:29:58 he leaped. He went from here to here with the combination of becoming a two-division champion, with the Mayweather fight, with the whiskey, with the throwing the thing through the window against Habib. I mean, he got to a level that is just like off the damn charts. He double, triple, quadrupled his, you know, dynamic marketable potential. I mean, he went all freaking in. I don't know if he can ever come back.
Starting point is 00:30:20 And you can make the silk sheets, you know, analogy and you can do all that. But I don't know if he has the time hunger combination focus to get himself back up there. Because again, from the beginning, we were never really talking about a complete fighter. We were talking about a fighter who leaned into his strengths of striking and getting you out of there early. And I think that it might be too far. So that doesn't mean he can't win big fights. That doesn't mean he's not going to be in. You still think he can win in the UFC depending on the matchup? He can win in the UFC. Depending on the matchup, he's just a powerful guy who goes after it.
Starting point is 00:30:52 But I think you're going to see him in more competitive all-action fights, and I think he's going to lose against the super elite more often than not. I mean, here's, I think, what's going to be, we don't know, but we're trying to give our take here and our guess. Here is one possibility I think worth taking seriously if you're a Conor McGregor fan, which is that to BC's point, whatever ability he's got right at this moment, it's still enough, I think, to beat some pretty good lightweights, maybe some welterweights, depending on the matchup or whatever the weight class is.
Starting point is 00:31:18 We saw him do it against Cerrone not too long ago. I mean, he's still going to hit you in the first round, right? He's still going to find your chin. He's got big power. He's got good accuracy, all those kinds of things. So for that reason, he deserves to be taken seriously. It's not too long. I mean, he's still going to hit you in the first round, right? He's still going to find your chin. He's got big power. He's got good accuracy, all those kinds of things. So for that reason, he deserves to be taken seriously. It's not the issue. But here is one thing you really have to kind of just maybe internalize a little bit. One of the bad things that happened to Dustin Poirier in losing to Conor McGregor was how embarrassing it was and how
Starting point is 00:31:39 thorough it was and how quick it was. But the good part about that was he was, what, 25, 26 years old? He had time to pick himself up, dust himself off, and have the commitment at age 25, still that burning passion, to recommit himself to getting better at his craft. And by the way, it took a long time. Each one of those stages is developmental. You're never really done when you beat Diego Fajeda or Joe Duffy or Jim Miller and on through the list. He had to get better and better and better, which means he had to recommit and recommit and recommit. And doing that in your 20s when you still are burning with passion, to me is, I won't say easy, but that's the right time to do it. It's certainly the easiest time to do it.
Starting point is 00:32:18 Can you do it at 32 after you're rich, famous, and you've already conquered two divisions before, do you have it inside of you to recommit? Because he was talking about that leg kick from Poirier, like he had never seen it in training. He had never felt it before. Like as if he'd gone through this point of his MMA career and no one had hurt him that badly in the legs to where he didn't know how to adjust. It's like once in a while you'll get an elite boxer who can go up through the ranks,
Starting point is 00:32:45 be undefeated, win big fights, and then not actually get hurt. And then the first time you see him get hurt, they don't know how to clinch, they don't know how to do anything. He had that reaction to that.
Starting point is 00:32:52 Right. It was startling. And you might be saying, oh, he could definitely commit to the rebuild. The rebuild is... The rebuild is, in some ways, harder than the first build
Starting point is 00:33:01 because you've already done so much. Do you have the fire and frankly, the time to put in to get back the time you lost? We talk about all the time, BC. If you're St. Pierre or you're John Jones, yeah, you can take a little bit of time off and come back and still be dominant to a degree anyway over your peers. But that is reserved for just the very, very, very all-time Mount Rushmore greats. If you're not that, and by the way, 99.9% of fighters, including Conor McGregor, are not that. If you take time away, man, there's going to be a bill to pay.
Starting point is 00:33:33 Yeah, and you may say we're being harsh to McGregor here, but we're comparing him to a level of eliteness that very few of you can make that comparison. He's coming back talking a big game. He looked and said all the right things coming in. I said heading into this, he's going to have no excuse. He made 155? He put everything he had into it.
Starting point is 00:33:51 But yet again, rewatch that fight a couple times. Everything he had while, yes, facing a true elite, an all-timer against Poirier, it looked like, and I think that's why the McGregor's mystique lower third is so apt, it looked like he was living off the legend. And there's a great line in the 90s movie Beautiful Girls when Matt Dillon looks at Michael Rappaport and he's like, you know, be careful what you're saying. The legend will still kick your ass.
Starting point is 00:34:12 And yes, the McGregor legend will still kick some ass, even up to and including the elite level, but he's still living on the legend. And I don't know with some of his limitations that were foundational of not being a well-rounded fighter, if there's still time for him to get back up where he's legitimately competing with the pound for pound best in the sport and beating them, that window I think is closing or has closed. Yeah. It's either, it's either closed or it's closing rapidly. And the time to fix that,
Starting point is 00:34:37 uh, is not certainly on his side. You know, and you can, you can say, oh, you guys talked to a lot of shit coming in about how good McGregor was going to be. Again, we had a small sample size that we were trying to take all the facts that we had in the moment. And that small sample size is not going to carry you through the evolutions of this game. Again, it's not boxing with Mayweather coming back after a year and a half. And the sport's still relatively the same. He's just got to be focused in and top shelf shape and ready. It's a little bit more than that. And I don't want to make it clear.
Starting point is 00:35:10 People are like, oh, well, if you can achieve the heights he did before, it can't be that hard to do it again. I would really caution folks against thinking that. Rebuilding is the hardest part. Ask Dustin Poirier what was harder, to get to the Conor McGregor fight, the first one, or to get to the second one? And the second one, the rebuild, so that he could find himself back on top. Dude, look at what he had to do to get there. It was a climb of Herculean proportion. Can we also high-five Poirier for how he came back from that Nurmagomedov loss? Like, again, that was his moment to build up 25 minutes to make all things right. This is my time. I made
Starting point is 00:35:42 the full turnaround. And then he dropped, you know, I don't want to say he laid an egg, but he got dominated by Nubraga Madoff. And by the way, if he still fought Nubraga Madoff, he still would get dominated. There's no denying that. But the point is that could have crushed him and he could have easily said, you know what, I'm now just a veteran,
Starting point is 00:35:58 also ran, I'm going to go back, I'm going to cash a few checks, but I'm going to get out of this sport. Instead, he went back to the drawing board and had the same hunger. And it's like, I love the band Pearl Jam. I know you do too, correct? They're okay.
Starting point is 00:36:08 They've had an incredible career, meaning they've kind of stayed true to themselves but evolved in the right ways, and they're still an incredible live act. And, you know, all their albums, there's really no, like, shit stain. It's all pretty good. Yet at the same time, Luke, they will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be able to write an album as good as 10. Because you cannot reproduce that passion that comes from, I have nothing, but I feel like there's something inside of me and I'm going to fight until this art comes out of me and the
Starting point is 00:36:35 people understand it, Luke. It's probably why nothing will ever be better than this show right now during this season of this show. So you better get geared up for the documentaries because we're capturing it in the moment. But Luke, the passion to share this art. As soon as my art's done, as soon as it's out of me and the pictures have been...
Starting point is 00:36:52 Dude, you're so overplayed. My God, quit doing it. All right. With Conor McGregor and his mystique, we'll see what happens. Everyone I know is like, oh, you're selling him short. You know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:37:01 We'll see. If he goes up there and, you know, he was saying it's a level of inactivity. I do think the inactivity probably did not help. I certainly can understand that conditioning-wise, and I think conditioning your body to take the kind of damage. But also, he just looked to be,
Starting point is 00:37:14 by the fourth minute of the second round, he looked to be a step behind Poirier, and that happened really fast. He's got some work to do. And you give him credit, by the way. I always give credit to Conor for how he loses, but he goes right to what was wrong. He's such a student of who he is and preparing for a game
Starting point is 00:37:32 that he knows after a loss exactly what was wrong. Which means it was in his mind ahead of time, too, by the way. It didn't just dawn on him at that moment. He probably had some fears about it. But here's why we might be past a certain line, Luke, because it's one thing to know what you did wrong, like after the first Nate Diaz fight, and still have it in you to fix that. I don't know if he still
Starting point is 00:37:49 has it in him to fix what's wrong. He can still diagnose it, but it may be too late, Luke. We're going to have to see. Alright. Which brings us now to point number four. We did not get to this at all on the post-fight show, so now is the time, BC. There was the, well, the Amanda Hibas train came to a screeching halt,
Starting point is 00:38:05 but you know what? Marina Rodriguez, good for her, dude. She looked phenomenal. That win was, hell, she won twice in certain ways, and that's what I wanted to talk about was the Herb Dean non-sort of stoppage there. What happened? Okay, so if you guys didn't see, Rodriguez drills Hibas, drops her, and is beginning to follow up her landing a little bit.
Starting point is 00:38:25 And Herb Dean looks like he's going to come over to stop it. And then as soon as he gets over there, he actually does not pull her off. Kind of just like tiptoes around it. I think bumped into him a little bit. Yeah, he kind of took the teabag out and shook it in front of him, but never went with the, you know. And so, Rodriguez stands up, walks across like, hey, I won. And then Herb Dean, this was another thing. It wasn't like Herb Dean said, no, no, no, no, keep going.
Starting point is 00:38:46 He waited until she turned around. He just looked at her like, she's still there. I didn't know what the fuck he was doing. Anyway, so Rodriguez goes back across the cage to Amanda Hibas, clinches with her a little bit more, fires off a few more shots. That elbow was pretty strong. And Hibas just stood there and took it. She didn't know where she was.
Starting point is 00:39:03 And then he intervened. Okay, fine. So the right person won. All's well that ends well, I suppose. How much is Herb Dean to blame for that situation? Herb Dean's 65% to blame for that. I do want to throw another extra 35 at Marina Rodriguez, though. You do, you have to fight until the whistle or fight, you know, like we say in basketball,
Starting point is 00:39:22 you got to, you got to, Luke, fight until the referee is pulling you off of the other person so that was sort of Rodriguez's fault to just assume that's where we were at Herb effed up Rodriguez though it's like who's at fault for the Floyd Mayweather Victor Ortiz ending Luke at the end of the day Victor Ortiz right at the end of the day he's at fault I mean his hands were down yeah I mean it was a little bullshitty but you know a little question of morals yeah but at the end of the day, he's at fault. I mean, his hands were down. I mean, it was a little bullshitty, but a little question of morals. But at the end of the day, his hands were down. So at the end of the day, you got to throw some at Marina and be like, he didn't actually stop the fight. He came close. He was basically squatting on you, but he didn't actually stop the fight, all right? Yeah. I mean, okay. Rodriguez, the rule is keep going till the ref
Starting point is 00:39:59 pulls you off. The referee did not pull her off. In fact, the only time he pulled her off was the second time she went over there and was bombing on her and then he really physically intervened. So, Rodriguez standing up and walking across was premature. I can at least acknowledge that some blame goes to her, fair enough. Dean went in there to see if he was going to make a call and then rethought it at the last second. I understand, again, the job is not easy. But, you know, they do teach referees to make decisive calls. You're going to step in, effing step in. Here's one thing I did not see from him.
Starting point is 00:40:30 Again, maybe he did it and I just couldn't tell. He did not seem to me to say to Rodriguez, you know, or to Mandarribas, one thing that they commonly do before they eventually physically step in, they say fight back, fight back, improve your position, improve your position, show me something, show me something. He didn't give any verbal commands. He just kind of watched, and then he tiptoed over and almost fell on top of them and then let them go.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Do you think MMA needs a safe word? You mean tapping? I mean, do you need something from the referee to scream as he's coming in? But they're supposed to do that, so at least the person who is getting bombed on has a chance to say, I heard the referee, and I was able to make a call as a consequence you didn't have any of that here she reacted as if he said stop stop stop stop but you know it seems like he didn't so and we're living in a world where you know Dan Hardy put up that huge video going through a collection of failures of Herb Dean stoppages now to be fair if you want to like have a report card on any referee
Starting point is 00:41:24 you could find some bad ones. Yeah, as told me about Mark Goddard. Right, but blaming it on Brexit, I mean, what are we doing? I mean, that was just sad. But, okay, you know, how representative that is of the larger overall truth, do you think Herb Dean's a good or a bad referee? I think he's among the best, among the two or three. You're not bothered by what happened here at all?
Starting point is 00:41:41 No, he's going to have moments here. He's kind of screwed up here, yes. But, again, the fighters got to have moments here. He's kind of screwed up here, yes, but again, the fighter's got to fight until they're being pulled off. It was her fault that illuminated his error. He made an error. He's more to blame, but she kind of made it a lot
Starting point is 00:41:55 worse. At that point, there's really not much to save it. It's a sort of a shit show. Like, hey, guys, you're still fighting. Still fight. It looked bad, but you've got to share the blame in this case. Just to clarify, what is it he got wrong, in your mind? From a procedure standpoint? That he didn't follow through.
Starting point is 00:42:11 That he showed two-thirds of the attitude that he's about to finish it without actually touching and screaming. He came as close as he can. He showed it. Luke, I mean... I would have liked to have seen him give verbal warning, which he didn't.
Starting point is 00:42:26 Then when they separated, he didn't say shit. And yeah, the part of that is the Hudry guys just sort of assuming that Herb Dean's on top of me, that must mean that the fight's over, you know. By the way, speaking of referees, even though Dominic Cruz was way off going public with those comments on Keith Peterson that time, to Dominic's credit, though,
Starting point is 00:42:42 do you think there's a chance that Keith Peterson does smell like hoochin' bitches at the end of the day? Why are you being so weird today? This is like abnormally weird. You don't usually have this many family guy twist-offs at the end of a conversation. You told me this morning, BC, I know you don't have a lot left.
Starting point is 00:42:58 I know that there's not a lot left in that tank. Can you just spill that tank all over? Can you spill your sauce all over this? It's a little much, dude. It's a little much. I'll pull it back, Luke, okay? Just a little bit. I can go home right now if that's what you want. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:43:09 We need you here. But, you know, every single point doesn't need to be about your dick and balls. All right. Do you tell Miles Davis to go from a... You're not Miles Davis, guy. I got terrible news for you. Okay, so last point on this about referee Herb Dean. I don't think it's the worst
Starting point is 00:43:25 stoppage he's ever made not even by a long shot I do wonder if there might be an argument to be made that you know is there some level of reputational review
Starting point is 00:43:37 that is in order here given the accumulation of what appears to be often late stoppages remember Dan Hardy made that big compilation after that really bad stoppage
Starting point is 00:43:45 he had on Fight Island where it was super fucking late. The guy had to come over. It was Masa Randuba, Francisco Tronado, to come over and just fucking really belt the guy. I'm a little bit, I think it's worth acknowledging that there are some issues at play here. Who do you think is the elite core of the moment? It's still Herb and Goddard, right?
Starting point is 00:44:03 I like Herb. No, Goddard and Jason Herzog. Jason Herzog, to me, has really elevated his profile. Now, Leon Roberts had a really bad stoppage in the Aldo versus Peter Jan fight, no doubt about it. Oh, God, that was...
Starting point is 00:44:15 He fucked that up. But after that was over, he took himself out of the reffing circle for that trip and went home because he just wasn't in the right frame of mind. So I like his accountability there. I do think when he's at his best, Leon Roberts is an excellent referee. But to me, I'm going to go Mark Goddard and Herzog. Those are my sort of top two. Did Josh Rosenthal's career never recover post-prison?
Starting point is 00:44:35 California still uses him, but I'm not sure how. He doesn't get the high assignments, right? I don't know that he does, yeah. Well, high might be the operative word there, but I love that guy. I've reached out to him many times for an interview. He's always declined. I would love to get one. All right, moving on to now the fifth point. We have six of them today. Usually we only have five.
Starting point is 00:44:53 Just as sort of an overall note, BC, UFC 257 had a lot of top performers outside of the main and the co-main. Why don't you shout out someone? Who else on that card, prelim or otherwise, really stood out to you with a strong performance? We're obviously talking about Marina Rodriguez as well.
Starting point is 00:45:08 I'll say this. The women's flyweight bout between Jessica Ai and Joanne Calderwood, I don't think it was competed at a super high level to the standpoint of like, you know, yes, JoJo needed that win. Yes, she gutted out that win. Yes, that was a competitive brawl. I mean, it was kind of fun as shit. But I don't want to overly state what it was. It puts her back in line
Starting point is 00:45:27 to get that title shot that she had earned in the past against Shevchenko, but lost it when she stayed busy against Jennifer Maya. It was a gamble she took. Luke had failed. She came back and did exactly what she had to do, go in there against a ranked person in Jessica Ai and bite down and be willing to brawl. So it's not necessarily a standout performance, but yet Calderwood went through the mud and did what she had to do to win. And because of how narrow, how shallow this pool is, I believe Andrade deserves the next chance at Shevchenko. But I don't know if anyone else has a better chance after that
Starting point is 00:45:57 than Calderwood after this win. She's still got a pretty damn good resume in terms of defeating contenders heading into this. Certainly does. For me, I would go, there's a few different directions you could go, but I'm going to go Armin Saryukian. Now, the problem with Saryukian is that he has not polished his finishing skills,
Starting point is 00:46:15 whether that's with striking or taking dominant positions on the ground, finding his way to submissions. He is a guy who is built to win rounds, which is, by the way, not the worst thing you can be, but I would like to see him work on that. However, 24 years old, dominant physical presence. He did miss weight, so he needs to fix that, but that's been something that is not, to my knowledge, plagued him throughout his career. There's sort of a mishap here.
Starting point is 00:46:37 And then on top of it, to go up against a guy like Frivola. Now, Frivola was overmatched, but you had to make an opponent switch at the last minute. Dominated him with the wrestling. Dominated him on position. He looks to be a very serious prospect. Made his UFC debut against Islam Makachev and still fought pretty well for the most part. And then beat Davi Hamos, which is also pretty impressive. So he's got some work to do. Like the lack of finishing or really getting to even close to finishing is a problem.
Starting point is 00:47:06 You can win on position, but he's been in three round fights. That good win, though, considering the chaos of what happened to make that win. Totally, totally. So I thought that was extremely impressive by him. And at 24, he, like we talked about Poirier, at 25, 26, not even a loss here necessarily, but he has time to really build on his craft to get the most out of himself. I would like to see him try to do that. Now, I was very impressed by the way Juliana Pena gutted out that win against great wrestler Sarah McMahon, in which it looked like McMahon was on her way to winning on the scorecards
Starting point is 00:47:31 for grinding out Pena, and to have the patience and ability to move herself in a position to get that submission was great. And then I did like the spirit of the guts and the balls that she showed afterwards getting on the microphone and so brazenly calling out Amanda Nunes but I love it because that division's shallow and Pena's been sort of waiting for this moment you know as we talked about heading in she's had losses long time off she's had she never capitalized on the original uh sort of promise that she had that's a great win I love calling out Nunes but saying that the lioness is scared of her and then Amanda kind of you of tweeted out and ripped her.
Starting point is 00:48:06 And people were like, how scared can you be when you're 2-2 in your last four? And Amanda's like, scared? I've been waiting for you to come into contendership so that this is viable. She's like, you didn't even make yourself a contender. But still, for how shallow that pool is, once again, it's basically women's straw weights or nothing else in terms of deep divisions here in the UFC women's game. But she's looking good.
Starting point is 00:48:27 I mean, that's a division that we still want Aspen Ladd to come back from injury and see if she can make a title bid. But there's really no one else jumping through the roof, right? That's going to get ahead of this. I mean, it's really not out of play for Peña to be in this conversation. And also, it's like, what do you want a contender to do? They're there to rattle the cage. And maybe you feel like they're overmatched. Okay, maybe she's overmatched, but she doesn't feel that way. If she keeps winning, I mean, they might just jump her to
Starting point is 00:48:51 the front of the line, depending on how the division's going. You know, but this is what you want. You want a contender who has self-belief. You want a contender who makes noise. You want a contender who pleads their case. And in this particular case, dude, like, she got derailed there after that Shevchenko loss. Her whole, dude, I won the ultimate fighter remember she had beef with Rousey yes and folks were talking like you know she keeps winning and keeps moving up great interviews back then too she totally was very kind of crazy in the interview to be honest with you she was coming out like talking shit like and and there were people talking like oh maybe she'll fight Rousey one day obviously that's you know completely off the table for a lot of reasons but this was the first time in a long time where
Starting point is 00:49:24 you felt like okay okay, dude, Peña might be back on track here just a little bit. She was physically overmatched, we can both agree, but she was able to win because she was in good shape herself, and she was just tactically and strategically better over the long haul. She found ways to win that fight in impressive fashion, and that was a solid, solid victory.
Starting point is 00:49:42 McMahon, though, I think is having some issues late in her career about, you know, she's like Rex Grossman. Big arm, but a lot of interceptions. McMahon, though, I think is having some issues late in her career about, you know, she's like Rex Grossman. Big arm, but a lot of interceptions. You know what I'm saying? I'll give her credit at 40 for being that tough, and, I mean, she was in position to win that fight. She's in phenomenal shape.
Starting point is 00:49:56 She's still a tough out. I was ready to con her out, but I think she can still fight, Luke. It's interesting. Who else jumped out on that? Brad Tavares had a nice win over Shoeface. He was gone a while. By the way, shots to Eric Nixick. I think he cornered Dalka Lungiambula, who has the biggest traps I've ever seen in my fucking life.
Starting point is 00:50:13 He cornered Punahele Soriano, and Brad Tavares won all three. So Eric Nixick, a great coach. Shots to him. I think he was with BJ Penn in the parking lot, at least on the last one, right? No. BJ would have won if Eric Nixick had been there. Sadly, outside the Lava Shack, there was no Eric.
Starting point is 00:50:30 That's a real bar he fought outside of, dude. Every time I say that, it's like, damn. Did he get taken down in that fight, too, or did he take the other guy down? I don't know. It's just sad altogether. I've seen better fights in Home Depot. Anyway, so shouts to Eric Nixick. Those guys are extreme couture.
Starting point is 00:50:44 They do good work. And, you know, there was a bad loss, though. The Khalil Roundtree loss? Yes. That was a bad loss, man. That was not a good performance from Khalil Roundtree. And I saw people being like, the judges were fucking blind. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Okay, he won the second round. Everybody on my Twitter was like, I had it for Roundtree. That still doesn't solve that this was a bad loss altogether. Yeah, the part was, okay, Roundtree dropped him in the second, so fine, he wins the second. First one could have gone either way. Maybe you thought Rountree won it, but it wasn't a crime. But you're facing a guy who's fresh off of three losses by knockout. Right.
Starting point is 00:51:12 And who's kind of just squaring up and coming at you, and you run out of gas as he's walking you down. You had to know that if that fight made it to the third round, Prakneo knew if you lose a fourth fight in a row in the UFC, you're gone. Yes. You're gone. And so he fucking fought for his contract basically And he did and round tree just lost up also Nick Lentz who lost to move star who still undefeated by the way move
Starting point is 00:51:34 Sorry, Evloev Nick Lentz retired. Did you see this? I did not see that He announced that he had lost a shitload of vision in one of his eyes He leaves Dan hookers gloves in the center of the cage I don't know if he took his gloves or somebody else's but he had said said that previously to this fight he had lost some vision, and he was like, you know, he got some repair work done, but knew it wasn't perfect, but just wanted to see one more time, could I see one more time? And he was like, fuck no, I can't see for shit in this eye. He says he's lost 40% vision. He's coming in with rec specs, you know? Like you're playing racquetball at the Y? Yeah. Maybe. But he was saying that he's lost 40% of his vision in one eye. Damn it. That's the reality of the fight game right now. And he was like, I just can't. I can't win like this anymore.
Starting point is 00:52:13 Respect. Dude, seriously, respect to these freaking warriors, Luke, who got through some of this stuff. That's crazy. You know, because we saw this when we read the Spencer Fisher story and kind of reacted to it here. But you get to a point late in your career where I've only made a certain amount of money and I want to leave some type of stamp on this game that I've given my life to
Starting point is 00:52:32 and I want to try to max them out whatever paydays are left. These guys make some hard decisions in those moments, and, Luke, that's where we have to step back as basement keyboard warriors and be like, holy shit, these guys are tough as balls. I agree. I certainly agree. Thank you for not no-selling that. I'm not no-selling that. People got so bitter. Can we explain to them what I'm trying to do?
Starting point is 00:52:52 Well, Luke, but let's be honest, though. In the history of us hanging out, Luke, very often I tell you a long story while you're just like, big bouncing Latino booty, big bouncing Latino booty. And I'll be like, and I'll end this personal story. First of all, do you think your stories are better than big bouncing Latino booty. Big bouncing Latino booty. And I'll be like, and I'll end this personal story. First of all, do you think your stories are better than big bouncing Latino booty? But I'll end this personal story with a question, and I'll be like, Luke, Luke. And you'll be like, yo, what?
Starting point is 00:53:14 And I'm like. Okay, first of all, you think you're doing art. Most of your stories are inane and dumb. Second of all, I fucked up. But the key here is what I was trying to do was Dana was speaking at the time, and I was trying to get what his responses were in real time. I should have paid more attention. I was trying to make this a conversation. I apologize.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Listen, you gotta do what you gotta do, so I'm trying to be shorter about looking so that next time I'm a little bit more tuned in. But also, your stories are often very dumb. Just a reminder, most artists had to die, or at least remove part of their own body for people to find out how great they were. I'm not looking necessarily.
Starting point is 00:53:49 That's why I don't care about this debate between us. Well, I got so many subscribers and Twitter followers. BC, you should probably be doing this. Why would you ever use metrics to measure anything? I'm really waiting for death to be the ultimate sort of announcement of the art that I put out there. I'll make it now. We'll put it on ice. We'll shelf it.
Starting point is 00:54:04 Eventually, Luke, one of these days, people are going to find that. You've got a real martyrdom complex there. By the way, did you know, I didn't know this until I went to Amsterdam. They don't pronounce it Vincent Van Gogh. You know how they pronounce it? No. Vincent Van Gogh. Like hard. Not like gah. Gogh.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Super fucking, every fucking time I had the, because I had the earphones. That's your own face right there? I had the earphones on to go through the exhibit. When Vincent Van Gogh was 17 years old and fucking... Look, people thought... Here's the deal.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Some people think this is bullshit. It's documentary. It's all acting. It's pro wrestling. Dude, it's fucking real, okay? It's not real. It's a lot of acting. We had a lot of fucking issues this week, okay? Behind these cameras, alright? They made you eat acai and Nutella under the covers. I mean, we have... It's not real. Dude. A lot of acting. No, we had a lot of fucking issues this week, okay? Behind these cameras, all right? They made you eat acai and Nutella under the covers. I mean, could you be more fake?
Starting point is 00:54:51 I was preparing for the fight night with Art. Anyway, my whole point is, Luke, people thought there was a... They thought they picked out, like as if they're playing Operation, and they, no, I found it. I got it. I got the thing.
Starting point is 00:55:01 They found a real kernel of realness in our room service diaries when you and I both looked at videos of ourselves from just two years ago. Oh, yeah. And we were a lot thinner. Oh, we're so fucking fat. You could see it in BC's eyes the moment that he noticed how fat he was. Yeah, it's sad.
Starting point is 00:55:15 It's really sad. Again, Tupac, it's time for us people to start making some changes. All right, my wife's making me come back to a meal plan. I'm going to turn this shit around. I was on a good meal plan, but this week was a mess. Go back and look up that video of your boy Big Beige with the Big Brown beneath the belt with Brent Schaub and Luke. I'm going to get back to that thin, and when I get there,
Starting point is 00:55:37 I'm going to go back on beneath the belt. All right, let's do it. Okay, Brendan, get ready. I bet you are going to go beneath his belt, you fucking hero. Do you think his takedown defense is still there? For you. All right, last but not least, point number six, BC wanted this included. I don't think it's that big a deal, but he did.
Starting point is 00:55:52 Dude, you're such an a-hole. You're like, let's talk about which UFC 257 undercard people impressed us. Oh, but this Ryan Garcia, Manny Pacquiao, blockbuster pay-per-view, who cares, bro? Blockbuster pay-per-view. All right, so you spoiled it. They are appearing to fight each other, but the news came out even just this morning that Carte's a little bit before the horse. Tell us why you think...
Starting point is 00:56:09 Not that far. So here's the deal. It was an incredible pivot, and Luke called it out for Manny Pacquiao, who was looking for Conor McGregor to win on Saturday, and they were looking to make that fight, and Conor even said... He tweeted Conor right before the fight,
Starting point is 00:56:19 and then after the fight, you could tell he was like, Motherfuck. Conor, in one of those post-interviews, did say that that fight was supposed to be, he even kind of alluded that it might be next and that it was already signed and ready to go and then now it's off the table.
Starting point is 00:56:32 Pacquiao pivoted to Garcia. And even though Garcia tweeted or Instagrammed out that the fight was essentially done, you're seeing reports from ESPN Deportes in Mexico that it's not official, but they're really close and it's looking like September. Now, September is not the ideal time for me, who's excited as shit for this fight and the potential of it, Luke, but maybe if they're waiting out the idea of live crowds, maybe they're
Starting point is 00:56:56 going to get creative here, maybe they're whatever. Either way, this is a surprise. This is a gift. This is freaking awesome. This is the type of fight that when boxing's not shooting themselves in the foot, when they take a guy who might have necks but is a little bit too early in Ryan Garcia against a guy who's... Didn't you tell me yesterday you thought fucking Pacquiao was going to annihilate him? Can I get there? Against a guy who we're not sure may still have a lot left in Pacquiao, and there's so much at stake from the crossing,
Starting point is 00:57:26 you know, the passing of the torch. But Luke, a lot of times when we do this, the old guy is basically selling his name. He doesn't have a lot of chance. What makes this fight so potentially amazing is that yes, right now, I think Pacquiao's gonna knock him out cold. I think Pacquiao's gonna Ricky Hatton him. Yet I love the balls.
Starting point is 00:57:44 Garcia's taller and longer, but he's going to have to move up two weight classes. Luke, this is how you become a star in this sport, what Ryan Garcia's doing. Again, this is a dangerous-ass fight for him. And he's like, I'm going to move up two weight divisions. I'm going to take on Manny Pacquiao. I'm 22 years old, and I'm going to try to maximize right now. Luke, if he moved up two weight divisions and beat this version of Manny Pacquiao, who, yes, he's 42, yes, he hasn't fought in 18 months,
Starting point is 00:58:08 but he's coming off a win over pound for pound, unbeaten Keith Thurman, dude, that's like, he's going to get there in terms of the stardom. Let me make a couple of points. That's going after the damn brass. A couple of points. I'll believe it when I see it.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Let's see if they make the fight first. With a lot of this bullshit in boxing, it's like, oh, two guys, their names are attached to each other, and then the fight never happens. So let's see if they make the fight first. With a lot of this bullshit in boxing, it's like, oh, two guys' names are attached to each other, and then the fight never happens. So let's see what happens first. Second of all, they're talking about doing it in September. We've got to wait nine fucking months for this fight to happen.
Starting point is 00:58:33 Let's do a three-month media tour. Let's blow this shit out. All right, fine. And third, here's the other part about it. It's like, okay, fight against Pacquiao, I'm not going to poo-poo it for the reasons you articulated, but am I really going to say I'd rather see this than a fight against Devin Haney? I'm not. Do I want to see this over a fight against Tank Davis? I don't. Do I want to see this over a fight against Teofimo Lopez? I definitely don't. This is very much what
Starting point is 00:58:52 boxing does, which is, okay, I know what you want. Boxing is the king of the Christmas gifts you never asked for. It's like, okay, I know you wanted a bicycle, Timmy, for your birthday. Here's what I got. Ready? I got a skateboard that's got the Barbie logo on it, but it is useful for getting around the neighborhood. It's better than nothing. Is this open mic night at Caroline's? What are we doing? I'm not doing open mic night.
Starting point is 00:59:14 I'm just telling you this is what it is. It's all the Christmas gifts you never asked for. It's all the stocking stuffers. It's like, okay, it's fine. It's great. It's better than nothing. But this is definitely not what I asked for. Can you allow yourself to have a boxing erection?
Starting point is 00:59:26 Can you find a phoner down deep in there? Make a fight. In the black parts of your soul, can you pull out a phoner? Make a fight that people actually have asked to see. Luke, this is a gift. How hard is that? This is something you didn't think you would be getting. I'm not asking for this.
Starting point is 00:59:39 Does Garcia have to move up with a somewhat questionable chin against super elites? You think he's actually going to take this fight? Yes, I think. You think so? I do to take this fight? Really? Yes, I think. You think so? I do. The kid's got balls. Okay, I believe he is adventurous. This is not the same level of intrigue as he would be if he was fighting Devin Haney. Intrigue? It's not. It's not. Dude, Devin Haney does not move product. I love him. He's going to be a star. I don't give a shit. I'm telling you what fights I want to see, what fights are in demand, what fights are most important. Okay, I'm going to be honest here. This is not more
Starting point is 01:00:04 important than him fighting Devin Haney. I'm not trying... See, we've come closer this weekend, not farther apart. I'm not trying to, you know, like that episode of Oz. Remember when the guy shit on the guy's face?
Starting point is 01:00:13 I'm not trying to do that. I've actually not seen Oz. Oh, spoiler alert. Is it good? Yeah, but it's aggressive. It's rough. It's real. It's raw.
Starting point is 01:00:21 But what I was trying to say, Luke, is you would really rather see Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney than Ryan Garcia moving up two weight classes and taking the plunge against Manny. Why do you think he's taking the... Why do you think he's fighting Manny Pacquiao? Give me the reason. Opportunity.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Okay, what does that mean? You become a star if you go in there and knock out Manny Pacquiao. Right, so the reason why he's fighting him is the paycheck is bigger, and then the upside for visibility is bigger. He's not fighting him because it's a more relevant boxing fight. Luke, he would be favored to be knocked out, and you know this. Probably. Probably.
Starting point is 01:00:51 Although CBS's Brent Brookhouse is back in Ryguy. He thinks he would stop Manny. Is that right? Yeah. Because he is young. I mean, look, we thought Oscar De La Hoya was going to knock out Manny Pacquiao, and it was a buzzsaw through Oscar. Different situation, but we might be surprised here.
Starting point is 01:01:03 You know, Ryguy might just come in there and blister him. But you see him getting flatlined, right? Potentially, potentially. I'm just telling you, this is what boxing does. It's like, we know what you asked for. No, this is still pretty damn good. We didn't get you that. Here's the consolation prize.
Starting point is 01:01:17 No, this is like, you know. They're the king of door prizes, of stocking stuffers, and nothing else. It's really quite enormous. You're trying to say, it's like, I know you ordered the handjob, Mr. Kraft, but we'd like to go up the backside, too. This is where you're trying. Here is what they do. You go to a restaurant, you order steak,
Starting point is 01:01:29 they bring you Jell-O. You're like, you know what? I don't want to argue with the waiter. I'll eat the Jell-O. I'm hungry, it's fine. Motherfucker, I did not order Jell-O. I wanted a steak. Luke, your at mentions are going to be a boxing graveyard
Starting point is 01:01:39 if there was actually enough boxing fans to get your notice. Which, coincidentally, there's not. Which is why Luke didn't want this in the show, even though it's a massive story. But what do I know, Luke? By the way, you know, MWC in no context, they retweeted me. Do you think your stories are better than big, bouncing Latina booties? You have to reconcile
Starting point is 01:01:55 with that fact. You have to reconcile with that fact. Alright, enough of that. It's time for when you guys get to ask us questions. It is time for DMs from Donks. Alright, let's move to this BC here we go in a hurry No, but we're a little bit behind schedule not much. Will you do a shot of this and your coffee? Maybe I'll do a shot of in your face. All right from Dak at man
Starting point is 01:02:19 Oh seven how much potential future revenue to Dana white lose by Poirier beating McGregor Saturday night? I am almost sure Dana had a map plan for McGregor had he secured. Almost sure? Yeah. Did you watch any of the footage of Dana whispering sweet nothings? He looked like he was attending a wake. Did you watch the footage of Dana all week parading? Nothing to see here.
Starting point is 01:02:39 Habib's not going anywhere but back into the cage. Yes, they lost a lot. That's why in the post show on late Saturday, I did say, like, what do you think Dana's immediate reaction was? It had to be sadness. I mean, he's pivoted nicely. The division will go on. There's going to be some great fights to make.
Starting point is 01:02:54 Again, you can still refurbish McGregor to a certain deal, but you are not getting Conor McGregor, Habib too, where McGregor's fresh off a knockout of Poirier, which is what we kind of predicted and thought might happen, which is why even though Habib gave you every indication that he's not coming back, you still had to leave off some element of, can Dana literally be like, I will make the rest of your life happy if you just take this, you know what I mean? I mean, they lost out on a ton. The return of Habib was always an incredible long shot.
Starting point is 01:03:23 Now it's basically definitive he's not coming back. More to the point, it's great because you boosted what you had in Poirier's resume and visibility. And star power certainly took a dramatic jump. But that comes with what's left for McGregor. This is why I'm saying, I don't know who he's going to fight next. They might do the trilogy next. I don't know. They need to think long and hard about their next fight. Because if you don't get that one right,
Starting point is 01:03:47 McGregor, we talk about Poirier never losing two in a row as sort of a sign of his perseverance. McGregor's never lost two in a row. Well, if you count the boxing and then 229. Yeah, we don't count that. But not in MMA. He's never lost two in a row. You start getting to that territory, four of your last five fights you fucking lost, that's bad.
Starting point is 01:04:02 And that's why a conversation we did have on this death Saturday night was how many losses in a row, even under the guise of competitive elite, facing the elites, would McGregor allow his brand to dip into? Is he going to be one of those guys who doesn't care and turns into a Roy Jones and is like, dude,
Starting point is 01:04:17 I just love to fight. I'll fight wherever. I'm 38, but I just love to fight. Or is he going to be a guy that maybe loses three in a row and is like, dude, I got to put the I got to try to put whatever's left of this genie back in the bottle and walk away now. It will be interesting to see. All right, from attherealkcarter, what do you guys think was in the mystery bag? Yes.
Starting point is 01:04:35 I think it was an IV. Talking about the Atman Azatar guy who was scaling the balconies. They had some mystery bag. The guy got cut, but there was someone delivering something to him. Dana didn't seem interested when the press, I thought the press asked good questions
Starting point is 01:04:48 in the post-fight press conference. Again, no questions about the Dana four-minute video dropping an Oz-sized shit on all of us, in all of them, by proxy. But they did sort of push him,
Starting point is 01:04:57 and Dana's like, dude, I don't care what was in the bag. And then they were like, do you think that maybe you can prosecute Azatar or even the guy who supposedly jumped
Starting point is 01:05:04 four balconies to give him this. And David's like, no, no, no, cutting them is enough. And, you know, it's up to the Abu Dhabi government and all that, which I guess is a fair statement. But he didn't seem to want to, you know, conspiratorially frame this, Luke, conspiratorially frame this, drop a load of conspiracy on this, Luke, that there was something in there. Was there roids? Was there sex workers? Was there blow?
Starting point is 01:05:32 I mean, what was in there, Luke? An IV? Had to be more than an IV. Streaming instruments? Had to be more than an IV. Sandusky's VHS collection? What the hell was so important? Why would you bring that to Abu Dhabi?
Starting point is 01:05:45 Good Lord. All right, from at Rob underscore Brands. Who should be happier about Chandler's win? Dana for having the investment payoff or Coker for gaining validation for his roster? Got to be Dana. Yeah, yeah. Dana for having not only the keen eye.
Starting point is 01:06:00 No one's going around today and being like, wow, Bellator must be so great. I mean, it definitely makes them look better than the alternative you see. Well, look, Coker and company got a little tip of the cap when they said former Bellator champion in the cage, and they promoted this big, but Dana took a chance, and again, Dana
Starting point is 01:06:15 didn't take him and put him in a fight night co-main event against the number 11th ranked lightweight to find out if he's good. You know, they were like, no, here's Dan Hooker and a possible title shot if you win, as we talked about earlier. So if Dana made that commitment to this and the guy hit a frickin' home run, Dana looks like a genius. I mean, just ask yourself, who gets more out of Chandler now?
Starting point is 01:06:34 The UFC where Chandler fights or Bellator where Chandler does not fight? Yes. Right. The answer is going to be UFC where Chandler is fighting. And the crazy thing is this division did not need him. It's already a gratuity, you know, a spoil of riches here, and yet he may end up being the champion for all we know in the end. Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
Starting point is 01:06:51 I mean, yes, it certainly does not make Bellator look bad, Dane Stretch's imagination, but UFC is getting the most out of the current version of Chandler, to be quite clear. Do you give Chandler a puncher's chance against Poirier, by the way? Sure. I don't think you would favor him, right? Over the long haul, no. Poirier is just too experienced. But Chandler is puncher's chance against Poirier, by the way? Sure. I don't think you would favor him, right? You would not favor him. Over the long haul, no.
Starting point is 01:07:06 Poirier is just too experienced. But Chandler is a motherfucker early, man. You lose sight of that, you're in trouble. And by the way, people are like, oh, Poirier is durable. He is. Michael Johnson finished him at 155 in the first round. If he can do that, if Poirier is not minding his P's and Q's, yeah, dude, Chandler. Chandler's ability to set up his big punches and his takedowns has grown rapidly.
Starting point is 01:07:28 Has the rest of his game. You know, I think that there's still something locked in place there from who he has been for a long time. But his initial foray into his offense, dude, he's been working on that. Folks are forgetting, he changed stances on Benson Henderson and hit him with a side that he didn't see coming. Now he's going low and then high and then he's skipping the timing in between. Like, dude, he has gotten way more sophisticated with that. And I will say, even though
Starting point is 01:07:51 it was a limiting thing when older Dan Hendo did it with the H-bomb, I love the cocking of the right hand. It's very much like... You like seeing it down here. It's very manly, bro, to just kind of be like, I'm chasing you with this thing and I'm going to hit you with this thing. Alright, from Cookie Toss Boss. I don't even want to know what the fuck they do.
Starting point is 01:08:10 Who does Diaz have a better chance against? I'm assuming he means Nate. Connor or Dustin? Is Art Art? You see what you have done? You have dumbened our audience. That'll work. Diaz has a better chance against Connor, Luke. Let's be honest'll work. Diaz has a better chance against Conor, Luke.
Starting point is 01:08:25 Let's be honest, right? Diaz has a better chance against Conor. Yeah, I think Dustin would fuck him up. Because Dustin's a more complete fighter. Look, there's something I said coming into this fight, and people made fun of me and stuff, that Poirier's a better fighter than Conor coming in. Overall, yes, he is.
Starting point is 01:08:38 He's a better, more well-rounded guy. And if they had to actually fight on a give and take, I would prefer him again. But I thought Conor was going to have enough to buzz him early. It proved right. It proved that, you know, except for the Conor having enough, Conor came close. But the reason why Poirier won that is because he's a more complete fighter.
Starting point is 01:08:55 And he's a more complete fighter than Nate. Yeah, I mean, in your mind, how does the fight against Dustin and Nate go? I don't know exactly. But I like Dustin's chances coming in as a favorite. I like him to be able to, I mean, the angles on his hooks. We were watching that fight early and saying, you know, that right hook could be key for Dustin Poirier, the way McGregor's darting in. I mean, I think he can land and probably cut Nate early, and it's going to be up to Nate to really try to make that a fight
Starting point is 01:09:22 to try to give him a chance in it. But I think if you're telling me those two are going to stand and bang, kind of like Emporio right now. Also, like Jorge Masvidal, I think, who's a good training partner of Nate's. Excuse me, what am I saying, of Dustin. He would probably have a lot of insight on what worked, what didn't, what things to look out for. Also the leg kicks of Dustin.
Starting point is 01:09:39 I mean, do we have to have the same conversation about Nate to the same degree of Conor of all the inactivity and stuff? The game is just slowly passing him by a little bit. He's still going to come back on the legend. He came back against Masvidal, lived on the legend of being tough as balls. He came back and beat Pettis too, remember? Right, but even in the Masvidal fight, he lived on the legend of being a badass.
Starting point is 01:09:56 That's why even in a largely one-sided fight, there was a lot of people who were like, man, I would see a rematch. He was coming on. He was because the legend, bro, alright? The legend could still kick your ass if you're not careful, Luke, but the legend, you can't live on that.
Starting point is 01:10:08 Okay. Like one day you're going to live on the legend of dissected. It was a great franchise, but it's dead. Luke, we got to figure something out here. All right. And not my fault.
Starting point is 01:10:16 All right. Last but not least, uh, from D Hager, J 15 Hager. Fantastic guy. One of our longterm listeners. Could the NFL have booked a better Superbowl than Mahomes versus Brady? Dude, we just had that talk. Yeah, we did fantastic guy. One of our long-term listeners. Could the NFL have booked a better Super Bowl than Mahomes
Starting point is 01:10:25 versus Brady? Dude, we just had that talk. Yeah, we did. Yeah, they fucking lucked out. So the first time in NFL history, the home team is going to have the host city. So it's going to be in Tampa Bay. You've got Tom Brady there, the all-time great against Mahomes, who is, to me, the best player in the NFL. He's the dynamic, young, future
Starting point is 01:10:42 Brady of the future. Returning champions. And he's the defending champion. And it's Brady, first year on a new team. Look, when this happens, right, when Johnny Unitas went to the frickin' Chargers
Starting point is 01:10:51 or when even Joe Montana went to the Chiefs for those two years and they were really super competitive, but they didn't get to the damn Super Bowl. I mean, this is
Starting point is 01:10:58 insanely impressive. People frickin' love Brady. This is central casting the way it played out. I hate Brady. Okay? Central casting. I know you were cheering hard against those Bills because you kind of have a thing against
Starting point is 01:11:08 middle American tough white, right? That's not your... Except it's fucking... That's not where the Bills are from. They're not from middle America. They exude the passion of Omaha. No, they exude the passion of the fucking butthole of America. Anyway, you didn't want the Bills in there as. I didn't even really want the Bills in there.
Starting point is 01:11:26 You know what I mean? F Canada, right? And look, you want to bring as many eyeballs as you can from the TV, come CBS, whenever the date of the damn Super Bowl is, company man here. Yeah, this is the right damn matchup. Yeah. I mean, call it the case that it would have been better
Starting point is 01:11:42 if you had the Giants versus the Rams or something. Two huge markets, okay, maybe, but you've got the defending champs with one of the most dynamic players the game's ever seen against this old fraud called Tom Brady that people seem to like. I don't quite understand why. Yeah, it'll be great.
Starting point is 01:12:00 Who's, again, host city, never happened before. Now, look, if you found out that Tom Brady's maternal grandmother was Colombian, would you change your tune like a fraud, Luke? Would you suddenly not announce it but secretly start to protect him? No, but if his wife was, I'd have to bite my tongue, bro, a little bit. You know what I'm saying? But that's too far away.
Starting point is 01:12:25 That's too many relatives in between, you know? Okay. With that being said, BC, it's time on the show where you introduce us to dumb shit. Yeah, that's what we do here. So you know this segment, right? It's really the best thing going in combat sports. We scour the globe, Luke, for the good and bad, the highs and lows in combat sports. You can run the animation in the back.
Starting point is 01:12:44 And beyond. It's called. By the way, this is the first and bad, the highs and lows in combat sports. You can run the animation in the back. And beyond, it's called. By the way, this is the first time we're going to watch this in a while, where we're going to be talking at the same time that the events are happening. Usually there's a delay. Remember that. No delay this time. Amazing. All right, Luke, here we go.
Starting point is 01:12:59 It's UFC 257 time. Luke, what was more dangerous, the potential for injury and Michael Chandler's backflip off the cage after stopping McGregor or the amount of COVID that was passed around by those celebrating? Luke, watch closely. COVID, COVID, COVID. I mean, he nearly blew up a knee. And watch these white guys just all kinds of COVID-ing each other
Starting point is 01:13:19 coming up here, Luke, all right? Look at these guys. Pull that mask. I love this shit. It's like everyone in the arena has to wear a mask. You're all taking your fucking masks off
Starting point is 01:13:28 and none of you are social distancing. Can we just call it what it is? Like this shit, I mean, you know. So you'd rather attempt that backflip than hug those guys in the crowd
Starting point is 01:13:34 is what you're saying? I would rather jump into a pit of cobras than being with that fucking crowd. All right. Speaking of UFC 257, middleweight Andrew Sanchez gave us a hell of a
Starting point is 01:13:43 stanky leg dance. You see this on the undercard here, Luke? Yeah. The result of your guy Murak Muradov. Bob, Bob, Bob. What's his name? What's the fellow's name who landed this punch? Mahmoud Muradov, yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:55 Oh, shit, player. That ice is slippery. Be honest here about stoppages and stuff. If a fighter does this in either boxing or MMA, do you think the fight should be stopped right there? Not necessarily. Not necessarily. Not necessarily. But you definitely, look at Herzog. Herzog's doing the right thing.
Starting point is 01:14:09 He's like, ah, take a nice, close look. Because it's possible to recover after this. But if they hit you with this bomb and then a follow-up bomb, at that point, you might want to just close the show. Very reminiscent of that weird Britney Spears interview on 2020 that time where she was crying and then out of nowhere the MK Ultra kicked in and she went back to like full brainwash mode
Starting point is 01:14:29 and started like laughing and giggling. You know that interview I'm talking about. I don't. All right. Well, speaking of Andrew Sanchez, Luke, your thoughts on his fighting mullet? I don't, I'm not one of these. It is what I understand.
Starting point is 01:14:39 Does everybody know that if a mullet is ironic, it's still a mullet? Like, I don't understand how that's supposed to, like, nullify it from being awful. All right. I mean, look, it still says something in the fight game. It says you're reckless. It says, you know, you're Mike Pyle. You know, you may live in a double-wide,
Starting point is 01:14:56 but I'm still fighting in this cage. Yeah, but it's sort of, I mean, it's sort of like, listen, you know, it's giving in to, like, what the cauliflower ears tell you about yourself. You know what I mean?'s like oh I've got cauliflower ears I might as well just let everything else go
Starting point is 01:15:07 but you don't have to do that when they cut a tree in half if you count the rings it'll tell you the age if you look at a man's cauliflower ear closely you can see the story of his life right
Starting point is 01:15:16 no and also I just I mean can we stop with the mullets like they're not funny like they're just it's just a bad
Starting point is 01:15:21 you just have a bad haircut that's it showtime championship boxing for Mohegan Sun over the weekend the co co-main event, Ra'eese Alim at 122 pounds, dropping and stopping a very tough Vic Pacias. Victor Pacias going down here. Luke, it was the third knockdown of the fight. Referee stopped it right there. We're going to talk more about this main event later, which blew us away, but big win for Alim.
Starting point is 01:15:43 They're the beast. Yeah, I was a little bit surprised. You were talking a big game with Vic. I did not know much about him. And then parries the shot. Bow! What time. Dude, here's one thing that you see the best MMA fighters do, and certainly obviously a good boxer will have it no matter what.
Starting point is 01:15:56 Their timing on their punches. One more time. Watch the right hand. Not this one. Watch the right hand timing off of the left here that Alim lands. Watch. There. Damn. It is. The window is so narrow, and they get it every
Starting point is 01:16:11 time, dude. The Bud Crawford one that he hit on once his face recently. Who's the last guy Crawford fought? The Brit. Kell Brook. Kell Brook. And by the way, Alim was the underdog in that fight. Was he really? And he's a 30-year-old prospect. He was the dude who was working in the grocery store for like six years. That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:16:27 He's talented. Love that. Luke, it's obviously this next guy does not live in glass houses. Or maybe he's just super powerful. Check this out, Luke. It's like, I went to Best Buy to just go get some AA batteries. I mean, what do you do? Do you walk away at that point?
Starting point is 01:16:42 Here's also the question. Do you feel like Shaq after breaking the backboard? Or are you just a goofball asshole? Which one are you? Luke, I could see you doing this. I could see you, like, and it's not your fault. You open them at the right way and they hit. And they're like, sir, did you get your gains?
Starting point is 01:16:57 The best part is he was definitely, you know, he probably had earbuds in, listening to, like, Final Countdown. Boom! Oh, fuckballs. Hey, Luke, our Street Fighter of the Week. You're going to love this because a white guy gets sent to hell. Check out this Asian security guard taking no BS. Maniche, play
Starting point is 01:17:18 that shit. Didn't we watch this last week? No, but there's versions of this every week. He elbows him, right? He just does not want to hear the slobbery bullshit coming from this kid. Hey, hey, bop. Oh, good God, Luke. Yo, those balloons did not break his fall. Where is that?
Starting point is 01:17:37 Somewhere where White's getting slept by security is not unusual. One more time for this. What do you think the conversation is right now? Hey, hey, I have my wallet in there. by security is not unusual. One more time for this. What do you think the conversation is right now? Hey! Hey! I have my wallet in there. This is you, Bob. Luke, some would say
Starting point is 01:17:54 that was Japanese MMA getting me back in that video. You know what? There should be a meme about that. There should be a meme. You got torn up for that shit. Luke, your favorite new segment, Scorpion King tryouts have returned for the sequel to the movie.
Starting point is 01:18:06 Check out this guy. First of all, he caught this big fish, and then the fish pulled on his dong, and he got, oh, that's payback right there, Luke. You want to end this fish life? What kind of fish is this? I don't know, but he got payback in a big way. Look at this. Oh, shit. That's fine.
Starting point is 01:18:23 Can't walk anymore. But, Luke, really, the best scorpions are done by drunk white women. Roll the tape. Here we go. Luke, you and I should probably try this next stunt after a couple drinks. What do you think? Oh, ladies. This always ends bad, right?
Starting point is 01:18:36 You know, again, they're white, which is. They want to show off their flexibility. Bop. And I like how it was the hefty one who landed on the other one. That was like a pro wrestling finishing move right there. Yo, how's that fucking, what is this? This is a late spring donkey fucking yoga you guys are doing here? You ever try to take a public selfie and somebody walks right in the middle of your shot and gets in the way?
Starting point is 01:18:59 Check out this dude by the water. He's had a couple pops out of those white cans coming in. And this boat just comes right through his party, Luke. I mean, come on. This is me having a conversation, and here comes you talking about your balls. They should meme this one. Luke's like, hey, let's talk about elite lightweights. Guys, I haven't masturbated in five weeks.
Starting point is 01:19:21 No, this is actually like me texting my wife this week about important life things, and then I get a text from Luke that pops in and overwhelms the conversation, and it's just a big, big booty. Got that big, big... I've never had another man mad at me for sending him women twerking. You sent me some graphic bullshit, some third-world adult film. I don't need to see that, okay, Luke? Thank you.
Starting point is 01:19:42 Luke, jumping into 2021 like this guy, you got to be careful. It's not been an easy year for anybody so far, Luke. Oh, that is, first of all, I mean, you know, listen. He is white. He's white. I mean, this is dub tea. Hold on for just a second. This is the Mona Lisa of white trash right here. You're jumping off the roof. You've got the grass yard with a car parked in the back.
Starting point is 01:20:14 Look, right there. He thought he was going to bounce off of that into the pool, Luke. He has a trampoline next to an above-ground pool. And they grew up under power lines. Look at that, Luke. And they grew up under power lines. And they're droopy, too. My man's got droopy power lines. All you needed was a hound dog scratching in the back
Starting point is 01:20:28 with getting the fleas off. This is my people at its lowest yet best form. Guys, not Colombian by any means, Luke. All right. Woo! OK, Luke, people wrongly think that we're all about nothing but drunken fails in this segment. Not true.
Starting point is 01:20:42 Check out this good news moment featuring a young girl finding out from her rich dad that she was gifted a new car, Luke. Check out the reaction here. This is a beautiful moment in upscale white families, Luke. Alright, you did so well on your... You got an Audi? You did so well on your college exam that I'm just going to give you
Starting point is 01:20:59 an Audi because, you know, you don't party a lot. You're just fantastic. Right, Luke? I mean, this is... What the fuck? She was still drunk from the night before, Luke. She opened the door to celebrate. She was like, oh, thank you. Why am I feeling so dehydrated?
Starting point is 01:21:17 And she's rich, too. Look at that. That's a big-ass paved driveway. They got the ribbon on the Audi. That's a nicer car than I've ever owned. She passes out face-first right into the front seat. I got the ribbon on the Audi. That's a nicer car than I've ever owned. And she passes out face first right into the front seat. Oh, oh, oh. I thought she was barfing. Oh.
Starting point is 01:21:30 Bop. Face first. Yeah. That's actually Ashley. She works on our show. That was from her, yeah, tough break there. All right, Luke. Nice car, Ashley. Let's go over to full contact karate. Look at this guy doing his crane kick. Oh, god. Going all kinds of Andy Silva on.
Starting point is 01:21:47 That's me and diarrhea every morning. Are you saying when you wake up? People were like, dude, why are you chugging the Pepto-Bismol? I'm like, listen, you don't understand the struggles. Yeah, you're shitting blood while eating bacon, right? Thank you. Okay. Luke, you got to be careful because, you know, cutting down trees,
Starting point is 01:22:06 because a tree is a living being, right? It'll give you a little bit of payback if you do that. Oh! Pop! Oh, that's got to hurt, Luke. Oh, and he's got the, did he let go of the chainsaw? Oh, he almost could have chainsawed his face off. Yeah, that could have gotten bad.
Starting point is 01:22:22 He got lucky there. Oh, I mean, he'll never have children, but that's incredible. All right. Hey, Luke, let's go to some actual art. I mean, are we art? That's up for debate. How about this guy doing art? We are not art.
Starting point is 01:22:32 Check out this guy's painting. This is Killian Art. That's cool. With the four kings of boxing from the 1980s. Duran, Hagler on the top, Hearns, and Leonard on the bottom doing the little kings. I love that. I would pay a lot of money for that. That's cool.
Starting point is 01:22:46 Yeah. Shout out to that man right there. Drunk moment of the week comes from this Eagles fan, Luke. Fly, Eagles, fly. He's seen better days, Luke. Yeah. And look at the beer. Oh, that is just...
Starting point is 01:23:05 You know what? God bless the people of Philadelphia. I hate everything about your sports teams. Yes. But you know what? My man was... And he's still drinking the beer. Down for the cause.
Starting point is 01:23:16 Have you ever seen that scene in Ghostbusters when Bill Murray takes the tablecloth and he yanks it? He's like, the flowers are still standing. Love it, love it. Hey, Jim Fales time, Luke. These are my favorites. This is your wheelhouse completely, Luke. Check out the motivation in this.
Starting point is 01:23:30 Oh, Jesus. The ambition, Luke. You fucking idiot. You fucking idiot. That's dangerous. What is he trying to do, Luke? So he's got basically one of those things you jump on. He put a bumper plate on top of it.
Starting point is 01:23:43 Then he's got a Bosu ball, which he has upside down, and he's trying to land on it from jumping from his feet. This gentleman is a fucking idiot. They took a Bosu ball in the balls, Luke. That is, yeah. On the back of his head, too. Hey, Luke, how about this weightlifting
Starting point is 01:23:59 move? I don't know if this is real. I don't know if this is impressive, but I'm impressed. What the hell is going on here, Luke? He's got enough weight, this is for a lat pulldown. Is that zero gravity weightlifting? No, he's got enough weight so that he can, he doesn't need to sit in the chair,
Starting point is 01:24:14 and he can then use his lats to pull it, where he just sort of holds his core in place. This man's core can fuck, right? Yeah, he's strong as fuck, yeah. Damn, I thought he was, this was like on like a spaceship going on, you know, the moon or something. No, he's just, he just put enough weight on there to balance fuck, yeah. Damn. I thought this was on a spaceship going on the moon or something. No, he just put enough weight on there to balance himself, basically.
Starting point is 01:24:28 All right. Hey, Luke, check out this old guy on the BMX bike. Again, I had to check if this video was fake because this is so damn impressive. This has got to be like Tony Hawk when he becomes middle-aged, right? Oh, no. No, no, no. This is not a fail, Luke. Old white man.
Starting point is 01:24:40 Here we go. Oh, shit, Grandpa. Oh, shit. This is how. Oh, shit, Grandpa. Oh, shit. This is how you bang, isn't it? Oh, yes. This is how you bang right here. Yes, yes. The thrusts aren't long, but they are mighty.
Starting point is 01:24:54 Yo. Dude, that's insane, right? Look at Gramps. That's not like Kyrie Irving in an old guy suit. That's like an old. No, that's a regular old dude. This guy in the 80s was probably the fucking king shit. I like how he kept
Starting point is 01:25:07 the pants from the 80s too, no less. Still got it. One more for you, Luke. That was sick. I love a slam dunk that really brings down the house, Luke. Check out this situation here. A little basketball can get dangerous. Whoa! Shit! Damn!
Starting point is 01:25:24 Damn! Yo. Damn. Yo, man. This school got some real issues with the infrastructure. Daryl Dawg going chocolate thunder on you right there. Wow. All right, Luke. That's the shit for the week, okay? That's it?
Starting point is 01:25:35 That's all you got? Yeah, some weeks, you know, depends on when I've been eating. Some weeks I certainly get a lot of shit. We don't have that guy who normally drinks like five beers at once? Ronnie Deutsch. Yeah. What happened to him, man? Love that guy. No, he's still performing. I mean, he'll die eventually, but I love that guy. normally drinks like five beers at once. Ronnie Deutsch. Yeah, we still have him, man. Love that guy. No, he's still performing.
Starting point is 01:25:46 I mean, he'll die eventually, but I love that guy. That's the shit for the week. I hope you enjoyed that, Luke. Thank you. Okay, and with that in mind, BC, we're time for odds and ends. What do you have for odds and ends? Showtime Championship Boxing this Saturday had that triple header. It was more about the 122-pound division as a whole,
Starting point is 01:26:00 and what a frickin' victory in that main event. Cool Boy Steph, I accidentally called him Schoolboy Steph, apparently during the weigh-in stream on Friday. Yes, you did. Went the full 12 rounds with WBO champion Angelo Leo at Super Bantamweight for that title on the line, two unbeatens. Luke, this turned out to be a 12-round frickin' war, a thriller in some ways.
Starting point is 01:26:23 The scores ended up being wide for Stephen Fulton, but this fight was as competitive and sort of brutal as you could have hoped. Both guys came in, said they were looking to kind of steal the night, kind of steal the division and make a statement, and I think you got to give a ton of credit to Stephen Fulton. He can box and brawl, but he fought Angelo Leo's game by getting inside, going almost forehead to forehead, phone booth, and yet he almost was like savagely brilliant. There was a technical base to what he was doing. Even though it was high volume, it was a lot of almost brawling.
Starting point is 01:26:57 If we can show the footage, I mean, we should have rights to this, right? That's not the fight from Saturday. Don't we own the rights to this fight, guys? Isn't this a Showtime product? Yeah, you would think they would have it. Anyway, Luke, he squared up and got into the phone booth with Leo and was landing beautiful combinations, pivoting. There we go. There we go.
Starting point is 01:27:13 That's it. I mean, look, this was 12 exciting rounds. And you want to talk about a statement that the West Philadelphia Stephen Fulton made, Luke. If you could get him into a unification fight with somebody like Luis Neri, who has a WBC belt. Big puncher. Big puncher. Or MJ Muraka.
Starting point is 01:27:30 Akmedaliev. Akmedaliev. God, I cannot say that freaking name. Murajan Akmedaliev. Murajan Akmedaliev, who has two of the four belts. I mean, look, this is a fun division as it is. Schoolboy Steph, as I incorrectly call him, made a hell of a statement. Did you get to see the fight?
Starting point is 01:27:42 I did. I actually watched it after the fact yesterday. He looked awesome. I don't know what's. Did you get to see the fighter? I did. I actually watched it after the fact yesterday. He looked awesome. I don't know what's up with the cowboy hat or the rat tail. Those are a little bit unusual, but you're right, dude. He is a very versatile fighter. He was willing to take on the shots coming back and just stand there. He met Leo on Leo's terms and beat him for it.
Starting point is 01:28:00 So Philadelphia now has a title holder for WBO, I guess, sort of. That counts, right? No, no, he's a legit one. He's a legit one? It's the WBA, which will give you four champions per division. I still think Akhmad Aliyev is the best guy on paper that I've seen. You go to YouTube and just type his name in. Watch the Danny Roman fight where he won those two titles.
Starting point is 01:28:17 It was a war. It was a flip the coin when they went to the cards. He's talented, and he's wild and heavy-handed. He's got an unusual kind of Russian boxing style with hooking punches. So that would be a fun fight. That would be a fun fight. I still think he's the guy in that weight class, but certainly schoolboy Steph, as you love to call him,
Starting point is 01:28:33 he looked tremendous on Saturday night. I got to see him against Neri. He didn't call anybody out. Neri's PBC, right? Neri's PBC, and so is Brandon Figueiredo, who's probably the most marketable guy in this division. He's got the WBA secondary or third title. Yeah, some fun fights you can make.
Starting point is 01:28:49 Danny Roman lingering, a lot of good stuff coming at 122. And then for my odds and ends, I will say that there is a, it's not officially official, but it looks like they're planning for UFC 260 to have a non-title affair, of course, between former champion Tyron Woodley and Vicente Luque. Now, Woodley, of course, between former champion Tyron Woodley and Vicente Luque. Now, Woodley, of course, coming off of three losses. This is a big fight for him. Luque had a bad loss to Wonderboy,
Starting point is 01:29:11 but has since rebounded two fights in a row. And Luque's something like 9-1 in his last 10 or something. Yeah, he's only lost to Leon Edwards and Stephen Thompson since 2016. I mean, that's pretty incredible. He's had a lot of fights since then. If Woodley is going to regain, find what's left of him, he's going to have to fight in this one. I mean, he's going to have to figure out if he's ready to...
Starting point is 01:29:30 This is the thing about Woodley. He's not fighting chumps. He's fighting nothing but good guys, but... But he only wants to fight on his terms. And he wants to... And also, Luque, while as talented as he is, he has not proven to be championship caliber at welterweight, which obviously is very difficult. It doesn't mean he's a bad fighter.
Starting point is 01:29:43 He's a great fighter. So this is something of a step down because he fought Usman, champion, Covington, interim champion, and then he fought Burns, who's fighting in a championship bout coming up. So all of them have had either titles or title shots. That's something that has eluded Luque, so this is something of a step down.
Starting point is 01:30:00 So now you lose to that guy, which, by the way, again, I'm trying to be clear about this, Luque is a step down from championship caliber, but that's still a very, very tough challenge. Because he ends up in a brawl every single fight, no matter what he does. And he rearranged Mike Perry's face too. Like, he can go the distance. He's
Starting point is 01:30:15 battle-tested. That's Ocean's Daddy you're talking about. Here's the thing about Woodley. I don't know what kind of shape he's in, especially after this video got out. I guess he was in some straight-to-DVD movie. Well... Do we have this? Hold on. There are a lot of people who have criticized him saying, you know, his title, Elite Run, ended when he got a little too into the TMZ show, the rap music. Luke, he's acting now, and this video has been making the rounds, so to speak.
Starting point is 01:30:37 Can we throw to this now and see maybe the reason why Tyron Woodley isn't the same fighter? Luke, can I get you to watch this? I've seen this. I don't know that I need to watch it again. Basically... Is that T.I.? Yeah, it's T.I.
Starting point is 01:30:48 I don't know if T.I. actually has that blotch on his face or if that's new. Here's the basic premise. T.I. is some sort of, like, an important gangster, and whoever Tyron Woodley is playing... Is that guy in The Wire they just showed? Yeah. Whoever is playing him...
Starting point is 01:31:03 The character that Woodley is playing has apparently done him wrong. And now TI tells Woodley to walk the plank. And you're like, what does that mean? Okay, well, here he is. And there's a damn raccoon in the cage. There's a raccoon. Okay, that's kind of weird. There's a car in the kitchen. I thought they were going to make him kill the raccoon with his bare hands. But no, they're not going to do that. You're going to see his bare ass here. That's Tyron Woodley's butt. There we go. And he's going to, I guess, stick his unit in the face of the raccoon.
Starting point is 01:31:34 This is going to end worse than the Covington fight did, Luke, right? Yeah, and everyone's kind of horrified by this. So this raccoon just Nate Marquardt-ed him on his damn dong, Luke. Yeah, this is... You know, his commitment to the art right here, Luke, is heavy. This is not what I would call masterpiece theater. Is that Marlo Brown from The Wire? That's one of the guys there?
Starting point is 01:31:57 Am I screwing up? Yeah, I don't know. Okay. I don't know. Not Marlo Brown. The Marlo guy. The damn guy. Yeah, all right.
Starting point is 01:32:04 Luke, it's been a freaking long week. I'm ready to go home. I don't have much more to give Brown. The Marlo guy. The damn guy. Yeah, all right. Luke, it's been a freaking long week. I don't have much more to give. I'm ready to go home. It's been a good... It was a fruitful trip. They say our room service diaries, which you and I thought was the shits, they say it's the best...
Starting point is 01:32:17 I thought when it was over, I was like, wow, that was a real mediocre episode. And people loved it. People loved it. I was like, all right, let's just keep producing mediocre shit, I guess. That's really what the name of this, you know, Morning Combat. We produce mediocre shit.
Starting point is 01:32:29 Would you say, though, it's correct to frame the overall narrative of this week, not McGregor, but you and I, like, we had the dark tension. We had the adversarial thing going. But the circumstances of the true politics surrounding this here, this table, this misogynistic table, it has kind of forced us to realize that we might be better off together. No, it's forced you to realize that I was right all along,
Starting point is 01:32:56 that this phony division that you like to foment is not real, and that, you know, a lot of guys claim to work in factory towns and be a part of factory town life. Only one of us has worked in a factory. Did you tip the lady who cleans your room? I've never done that my whole life. You do that all the time?
Starting point is 01:33:14 You do realize if you don't do that, they make next to nothing on their jobs, right? I can call in after the fact. You should definitely do that. You see, some of us are in touch with the plot of The Working Class. Others use it as a shield for ignorance. Luke, you and I have had good moments, highs and lows.
Starting point is 01:33:29 I wasn't sure if we were going to recover from that Andreas Escobar joke. I really wasn't sure. No, we were fine. I stepped in a bear trap. A little bit there. You put your dick in the raccoon's cage. From now on, we're going to reference that as the thing you don't want to do. You put your dick in a raccoon cage, and you've got to be careful
Starting point is 01:33:47 with that. I do want to say thank you to our fan base, our people, because we put it on them, Luke. We were arting all over the screen, and they backed it up. They liked, they subscribed, they're buying merch, Luke.
Starting point is 01:34:05 It's this kind of Hunger Games-esque going on because some people are Team Luke, some people are Team BC. But again, you better be Team MK at the end of the day because Luke and I have, I guess through the counseling of the bomb shelter, Luke, we've found ways to fix this
Starting point is 01:34:20 marriage right now. I didn't know when you were fixing. Well, there was another man who was getting in the fixing. Well, there was another man who was getting in the way, okay? Oh, right, right, right. He was getting in the way a lot.
Starting point is 01:34:31 There was no escape from that guy until now. Yeah, but no, seriously, for everyone who has, if you're new here, welcome.
Starting point is 01:34:39 If you're OG here, you're just as welcome and thanks to everyone who watched everything from the McGregor career preview that we did to the hot sauce review to the post-fight show to everything in between. We really, really appreciate it. We have tons more coming for you.
Starting point is 01:34:54 And this was something of like a, this was last minute. I don't want to get into all the things we're supposed to do, but this plan came together actually quite at the last minute. But I have to say, doing the studio shows, BC, I think you agree with me, we can do the shows on Skype. In fact, on Wednesday, we have to. But there is no substitute for this. No, there's just something, seriously, in the air that melds our chemistry. It raises our game, Luke. We bring it. And I think you've fallen back in love with me this week. And
Starting point is 01:35:20 I can really appreciate that. I never fell out of love with you. Thank you. I just wish to have a sexless marriage with you. All right. If you want to get some MK merch, please do. You can go to store.show.com. Plenty of stuff there.
Starting point is 01:35:33 Valentine's is around the corner. I don't know if that would be a useful thing for you, but maybe it would. Who never knows. Put your lady in a damn MK sweatshirt, okay? My wife wears it all the time. The hood loves it. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:35:43 Bill and Jen of RV Adventures, they're wearing that shit out right now. All across America. Yes. If you want to try Showtime, you certainly can. You can go to Showtime.com, get a 30-day free trial. If you like it, you can keep it. If not, you can go and do something else with your life. And we promise, at least I do, Luke, I promise never to be this fat again.
Starting point is 01:35:59 I mean, Luke, your arms are ready to just incredible Hulk that sleeve right there. RIP to the future of that sleeve right there. You're just going to, I mean. You worry about you. You think you can worry about me. You worry about you, big guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:13 But the point being is, of course, if you, we're getting to show time. Oh, you want to email the show, morningcombat at gmail.com. We will do. We're behind on fan submissions. We've got a lot of them. We're ready to bring those out. If you've got artwork, send it to us. Dead wrong, please. Dead wrong for Friday as well. I don't think we did one last week, so we're really behind on fan submissions. We've got a lot of them. We're ready to bring those out. If you've got artwork, send it to us. Dead Wrong, please.
Starting point is 01:36:25 Dead Wrong for Friday as well. I don't think we did one last week, so we're really behind on that as well. We will get to that this week. And then, of course, one more time for the social, if you don't mind. Morning Combat is the same everywhere. YouTube.com slash Morning Combat. Morning Combat on Instagram. Morning Combat on Twitter.
Starting point is 01:36:38 Our names there for Twitter and Instagram are a little bit different, so take a screenshot and give us a follow there if you're still with us. You own the IP on that, right? I used to. I think I gave it to CBS. I had to. It was part of the deal. So take a screenshot and give us a follow there. You own the IP on that, right? I used to. I think I gave it to CBS. I had to. It was part of the deal. So what are you going to do?
Starting point is 01:36:49 BC, any final thoughts before we head out here and go home? I have to take the train, midnight train to DC. I'm going to get my orange 2020 Subaru Crosstrek and put on some satellite radio. Not necessarily the Indigo Girls, OK? I know the direction you think I'm going here, right? I got in the car car and it was like, here is B-Sides of Cat Stevens
Starting point is 01:37:08 from 1978. You know, it keeps, yeah, it grounds me. I'm like, I would rather hear just the fucking roar of the air. I just want people to know, the ROG, our day one-ish, you've helped us get here, but we haven't even begun to bloom.
Starting point is 01:37:23 When we get back to fights that you got to be there, that it's safe to be there, that the crowds are full, when we get through this COVID cloud, Luke, okay, right? We are going to change the way this game is covered. We have already changed the way, okay? You're not watching this show if you are just a fan of fights. You are a connoisseur of art in a lot of ways. And I think that that'll be our stamp, our stain on the business when all is said and done, Luke. Doing things differently, artfully, passion, being willing to leak it onto the screen. I have to take a dump. Can we go? As soon as I can take a dump, I need to go. All right. Please
Starting point is 01:38:02 stop. Please just stop being weird for five fucking seconds. Okay. That's it for us today. We'll talk to you guys on Wednesday. Thanks to... Thanks to everybody, but there is a documentary of this week. You'll see it. It'll probably take a month or so, right?
Starting point is 01:38:15 Yeah. It'll be out in a few weeks or so. Until then, give the video a thumbs up. Please hit the subscribe button. Welcome to all the new subscribers. And until next time, may all of your gains be loyal. On Super Bowl Sunday, CBS raises the hand of the champion while lifting the spirits of our frontline heroes.
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