MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC 283 Recap: Hill def. Teixeira, Moreno Stops Figueiredo | Ep. 400

Episode Date: January 23, 2023

400 episodes down and a whole lot more to come. On a milestone Morning Kombat episode Luke and Brian recap a huge UFC 283 event. Jamahal Hill battered Glover Teixeira en route to winning the UFC light heavyweight title via unanimous decision. Even though he won, did Hill prove he's the best 205er on the planet? Brandon Moreno stopped Deiveson Figueiredo via TKO after the third round and once again became the UFC flyweight champion. What did he prove in his convincing victory? Gilbert Burns ran through Neil Magny in under a round to score the head and arm triangle submission. Should he get Colby Covington next as he was asked? (13:00) - Jamahal Hill wins UFC Light Heavyweight Title (39:20) - UFC Brazilian Legends (51:40) - Morena stops Figueiredo (65:00) - Gilbert Burns (72:00) - Andrade Brutalizes Murphy Morning Kombat is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher and wherever else you listen to podcasts.     For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Big Ray, just the same. Oh, Luke, you know, I just feel happy to be alive here Monday morning. It was a really entertaining pay-per-view, in my opinion, over the weekend. I agree, yep. A lot to talk about, both good and bad. What are you wearing, an MK hoodie there? It looks like you have one of those. I got the MK hoodie, yeah, yeah.

I wasn't sure if you were trying to cosplay as a druid at all. No, no, you know I normally come in every day exhausted, but I'm like really tired today, dude. I got to tell you, it's tough, man, because you have to stay up late for these pay-per-views. So I had to do the pay-per-view post-fight show on Saturday. Then I had to do the rundown for Monday because we have to have it in by a certain time. And then i had to record some extra stuff before i could go to bed and

make it to bed to like 4 4 30 um and then you know i'm a dad so my wife let me sleep in a little bit but i got up at like 9 45 10 but then the night before i had to get up at 3 in the morning because dude i got this old i told you i got the old dog remember the ice dog piss when it got cold outside yeah she got stuck on i don't even know how this is possible. She got stuck underneath the couch on Friday night at like 3 in the morning. So she woke me up yelping. So I had to go downstairs and then get her out and put her in her bed and keep her calm and then I didn't get the chance to sleep.

Dude, I'm tired as balls. Wow. You understand that? That's America's dad right there, Luke Thomas. Good work, though, Luke. That's important work, okay? It's very important. I guess. The dog's fine if everyone's curious and there's not much we can do about it but uh anyway did you have a good weekend otherwise bc real quickly how was showbox on

friday gotta say i was watching you guys sounded great on tv and i will tell you that main event freaking delivered for at least from the viewer's perspective it definitely delivered yeah we're gonna look at that on have you seen this shit later in the show but what a way to kick off the the the 2023 season of showbox the new generation i mentioned on friday six unbeaten fighters on the triple header so that's like you know point proven on what this series is all about but you said it david stevens and sean empel they've you know they fought like the future of their careers were at stake which sometimes can happen on showbox because of how important it is when these young prospects face one another to figure out who's going that way

and who's going that way, Luke. And to have a main event end with a KO with two seconds left in the final round when we weren't sure who was up on the scorecards. And that's a tiny arena there at the Wind Creek Casino in Bethlehem. But the crowd just on top of the ring. I'm not going to be romantic and emotional here, but why I'm in this job, moments like that. Moments like that.

To be there standing, screaming into a microphone as the crowd's going apeshit as two guys just went for it. No one got slapped either, Luke. What a night. What a night in combat sports you know i'm still feeling it we got to get the show started but i'll just say this too man i don't know what's going on down there in texas but ronnie shields can't miss i mean this guy lately yeah miss it's right now and he walks into the room he was there in dc too for the davis and

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So let's talk about the biggest UFC 283 headlines. We start, of course, with your main event. Jamal Hill defeated Glover Teixeira 50-44 on all three judges' scorecards, giving him, of course, not just a unanimous decision win, but as well, he now is the UFC light heavyweight champion. BC, even though he won, and I realize that folks may hear this, either watching this now or they're going to hear it on a podcast, I'm about to ask a loaded question, but it opens up the door for a lot of different conversations here.

So, BC, my first question to you, loaded as it may be, is, even though he won, did he prove he's the best 205-er on the planet? No, he certainly didn't do that. And how could he in one night in this situation? But I do want to echo the spirit of what you're saying. I had a lot of misgivings about what could happen in this fight and what that would mean to the UFC's light heavyweight division, which, you know, we could all say it's been a little weird and bizarre lately with the draw and Uncle Iev and Blahowich and, you know,

Baratska getting hurt, Jon Jones being away for three years, all that stuff. I was worried that, you know, Glover would win and retire. Jamal Hill would win a disputed decision. We would end up, you know, going here. Okay. While this sucks,

the number seven guy just fought and didn't become the champion. Who's next. What are we going to do next? Instead, Luke, I think I got what I wanted, which there's a very legitimate champion of the world here at 205 pounds under the UFC banner.

And it's Jamal Hill. And it's like, I'm tempted to lead off with how insane the heart and chin, just stupidly insane, the heart and chin of Glover to share because he nearly damn stole the show and defeat. But it's because Glover fought insanely. I mean,

just courageously, just ridiculously that it actually brought out every single category that Jamal Hill would have needed to do exactly this, climb the ladder at 205 and become the UFC champion. And he was pushed, even though it was a largely one-sided fight, he was pushed to the near limit in a few of those categories, from cardio to takedown defense to getting out of submissions. I mean, across the board, Luke, I may not be fully sure, and we'll only know if he keeps defending this title, where he actually figures in, you know, along with Prochazko

or Vadim Nemkov and Bellator or whoever else you like when it comes to the best light heavyweights in the world. But in terms of retaining that feel in the division that, you know, if not the exact right guy, one of the right guys has the title. Jamal Hill jumped through my TV screen on Saturday night with that performance. And to see him break down in tears and be that emotional because of, I mean, what a whirlwind turnaround to get this opportunity and then to go there deep in hell with Glover

and pass every single test across the board. You know, he's older than we think. He's 31 years old. A lot of times we think of Jamal Hill as just a newcomer. He was 11-1 coming in. But everything about this performance was mature. And I didn't necessarily see that coming, even though I picked him to win. I assumed it would be more of, hey, they got into a war.

And, you know, he caught Glover, which is obviously not easy to do. Rumble did it. Very few have ever done that. But what else can you say, Luke? There were many situations where if he wasn't fully ready, he would have gassed out. He would have been submitted. He would have whatever. He had to earn it, and boy, was I glad that he had to

because now I know for sure this is one of the best light heavyweights in the world, and he's going to have a chance coming up to prove that he actually is just that the best yeah i'm with you i think on fight night right after it was over during the post fight show i was like you know i don't know if he beats on kaliaf maybe he does right like i'm not when i say when i say i don't know i genuinely mean that like i'm not expressing skepticism i just can't award him the automatic victory let's see what happens if he fights anthony smith or or uh returning alexander rakicic or Ankhalaev or whoever, whoever these guys end up fighting. And if Jamal Hill beats them all, then that's an incredibly impressive feat,

and we'll cross that bridge when we get there. But I did think on Saturday night, and we should say it too, and certainly me, we had expressed great skepticism about his ability to either defend the takedown or get up underneath or even survive under Glover to Sheriff. He was able to get the takedowns, and that just wasn't really true. He was able to defend everything, body locks. He was able to defend trips, double legs against the fence, single legs with the left leg forward, single legs with the right leg forward. It didn't really matter. He was able to stop

15 of 17 takedowns. Only two of 17 got through for Glover. And even on the ground, he was never necessarily overwhelmed. And a couple times he got out of the mount and was able to even reverse position and get on top. So if you just look at the ability to build a game, it becomes survival, defend, attack. He not only had lights out defense, for the most part, he was able to turn, in certain cases, defense into offense. That's what you're really looking for. And again, he wasn't like, I'm not saying he's like, you know, an A-plus level grappler at this point. But defensively, you know,

even though we got it wrong, it should also be noted, historically speaking, and this is not just true, this is true by a million miles, that was his best grappling performance for Jamal Hill ever, ever. He has never performed quite this well. He has had times where obviously people haven't been able to get takedowns, but Tiago Santos, I believe, got, I'll double check here just a second, I believe Tiago Santos got almost six against him, right? And that was just a fight before. So it's not like this has

been, you know, I think, yes, I'm sure he steadily worked on his game, but he had a breakout performance in terms of his defense in that way. So I really thought this was a very, very strong, thorough, credible performance to your point, BC. He didn't gas. His striking was as good as we thought. I can't believe Glover didn't get knocked out. We should talk about that here for a second, BC. How amazed were you?

How amazed were you that he was able to survive? Because honestly, I would not have thought if he had taken that much punishment, he'd still be standing. It's not just amazed, it's almost scared. And I saw some of that, you know, the human factor creeping in of like, you know, you could stop this after the fourth round. His eyes are cut, swollen, and a mess.

He took, to your point, I mean, look, he may have eaten seven, eight, nine knockout punches. You know what I'm saying? Like the kind that finish folks of of many different levels and abilities and it's a refuse to lose that that seriously was scary now he showed that against rohotska and took heavy trauma and eventually kind of just collapsed and it was like he was willing to give more but his body was done this time you heard him talk about it after the fight and i think you saw it if you watch the countdown and all the you

know lead up to the fight he had no stone no corners caught no stone unturned i mean he came into the best freaking possible shape at 43 you ever could have to where his gas tank was stupid insane but you know his quotes after i'm so happy he retired and and by the way if he had won this fight it's like he probably would have retired anyway as well so we would we would have been in the same spot of you know who's the real champion but you know he said it best he said uh i'm too tough for my own good like he's he was tough to a level that i was watching through my fingers a little bit down the stretch and really worried you know what this was going to do to his retirement and the in the in all the great years he has left with his family

because you can't ask for anything more than that from somebody giving their very best effort. I mean, Luke, I think you'll agree with me. As much as the fight didn't even need to go to the fifth round and no one would have been upset, he goes for the takedown early in the fifth. He gets full mount forget about wondering

when he's going to get knocked cold when is that dog inside of him going to stop trying he never guessed he went to full mount and then he still seemingly one clean punch away from Staggering Hill the entire fight

we've seen toughness on insane levels, you know, all across the board. We've seen so many inspirational, courageous performance. I don't think we've ever seen the full combination that we saw here because it wasn't just the willingness to endure pain. It was the stamina, which was just insane. That's why I love that he did that performance because we got to see how good Jamal

Hill is but I almost don't want to praise him this much because I think he went too far you fight like that on a regular basis your career is going to last about three years yeah I mean I described it on Saturday night there's a term unfortunately the origin of the term comes from dog fighting but when it comes to human fighting at least regulated human fighting it can be a valuable insight as well there's a term called gameness in fact there used to be a company that made geese and other jiu-jitsu gear called gameness but the term gameness means pursuit of the fight despite the physical consequences and i mean i just don't know how you could have much more gameness than what glover to share showed on saturday it was a losing effort in every way to bc's, the fifth round,

even though it was kind of perfunctory to see him mount an offense, and a good one, at least in theory anyway, at the very beginning of it, was just remarkable. It was completely remarkable. It was as if nothing was happening to him. He was never psychologically deterred.

And that was after a third round, BC. Dude, that third round, he took a beating. A beating. Like getting stopped. deterred and that was after a third round bc do that third round he took a beating a beating like getting you could have gone you could have gone 10-8 in round three and four if you wanted to right right i mean it was headed towards bad territory and he somehow hung on because that's who he is so to do all of that through 25 you know and we'll get to the lauren murphy situation later bc i was like if they had thrown the towel, I would not have been mad. I guess you also can't be mad at them because they had to know that that was probably, I mean, the corner probably knew that was Glover's last fight.

Did you hear on the broadcast? They had Hackleman, who wasn't officially in the corner, John Hackleman running to the cage to try to tell the team, like, stop this, stop this, you know? Yes, yes, which is a big deal because John Hackleman's not like queasy in that way. If he's calling for it, it probably is pretty necessary. But either way, it's the last fight of his career. It's the last round of his career.

It's in a championship fight. I guess let him go out there, right? I guess that's the idea. But I also tweeted this on Saturday night too, like no shade whatsoever, Jamal Hill. But it's pretty remarkable about the late Anthony Rumble Johnson's power that he was able to put Glover's lights out almost instantly.

Yeah. And Jamal Hill was hitting him with good shots all night and couldn't do it. Great shots, dude. Great shots. It tells you a lot. No, it really does. And Jamal Hill can bang, which we already knew. But, you know, some of that is, I mean, what, you know, how do you define what makes a chin?

Like some of it is, you know, I believe is sort of already there, has to be there in the beginning, a toughness level, a want. But it was that focus. Like Glover had like insane level focus mixed with the confidence, the toughness. But, you know, we had him on our room service diaries couch and hearing the story of like how he got to the U.S. from Brazil and how dangerous that was.

It's like, you know, and G, who's one of these just special people, Glover to share is one of these special people. So in the end, he ends up retiring after an insanely amazing performance. And let me just remind you full mountain round five, like could have turned that thing around in some wacky way, but he leaves on the same night that Shogun Hua does, that Jose Aldo breaks down to tears when he gets the Hall of Fame nod. Like, in that regard, Luke, I love that because Glover's so understated, and, you know, he came to the title late in his career, almost like a Michael Bisping type situation,

where we don't tend to put him head-to-head with Big Nog, Jose Aldo, Anderson Silva, you know, Vonderlei, whatever your Brazilian heroes are. But winning the championship, having the reputation he has, and now closing his career with this twilight of just insane action and, you know, he's in all of these fights. Like, he belongs with those guys at the end of the day. And, you know, maybe the accomplishments he's just short or, you know, he's in all of these fights. Like he belongs with those guys at the end of the day. And, you know, maybe the accomplishments he's just short or, you know,

he's not as charismatic as a lot of these guys, but it's the same. They're cut from the same cloth, Luke. I mean, the Brazilian fighters have such a great history of just being special warriors. And damn, I was happy that this happened in Rio because Glover hadn't fought in Brazil since 2014. So it was just kind of a perfect storm in that regard uh one more note because this is mostly about the victory of Jamal Hill um two parts to you one who do you I mean I realize it's very fresh but who would you like to see him fight next does the Magomed on Kalaya fight make the most sense that's part one part two of that BC is, is, you know,

there are some questions about how much the fans have fully taken to Jamal Hill, right? Because he came out and expressed... Well, these are two separate topics, Luke. Let's break these up. This is good shit here. All right, so first things first. Does the Magomed on Kalaya fight make the most sense?

I don't know, because, you know, we all now want to see him against Yuri Prohotska, who we all thought, Luke, was going to be out at least a year, right? And now you're hearing rumors from Yuri's camp that he's like, and Jamal Hill references it, that he may be able to come back as early as six months. Now, look, I'd want Prochazka to take his time, although we haven't seen Tony Ferguson rush a turnaround. John Cena in the pro wrestling world comes back at insane level turnarounds. I mean, maybe there's some PEDs involved in that.

Don't look at me. But I would like it on Kalaya from a competition standpoint because outside of Prohazka, who's injured, not coming back right now, I think on Kalaya, probably the best light heavyweight in the world, but didn't show that fully against Jan, didn't seize the moment, and needs to go in there and do it against somebody like jamal hill but the reason why i say i'm not sure luke is what do you do about jan blachowicz it's like whose fault was it that that fight was a draw you know he came out there and he you know he fought to a draw

with uncle i have i mean it's like no one's going to sanction that as an immediate rematch but we kind of need to see who's coming out of that i I guess, you know, it's been done before. Didn't you come out of that being like, okay, Ankalayev should have been the rightful winner. But I can't reward him with that. Even though if you asked me, who do you thought won? I didn't think it was a draw. I thought Ankalayev won by a point.

But to answer your question, I don't think you can reward a guy for that. I don't think Ankalayev put his best foot forward in the end you know that's the criticism we have of him at times that he can absolutely dominate but but it takes his time and getting there you can't take your time on the title level in that type of scenario but look if they go that way i do have no problem with it and we do have a video to throw to did you see the social media media post from one yuri prohotska who heard his name being called after Jamal Hill won when he said, look, you said you can come back in six months. Let's do it.

Here's Prochazka's response. Congratulations. I'm coming. I'm coming. I'm coming! Was that you on your wedding night talking to your wife? Wow, okay, that's inappropriate there. That's inappropriate, Luke. Okay, wow.

But that man is aggressively coming, Luke. I mean, seriously, could he script himself any better, first of all, as the perfect foreign movie villain, and then just being ridiculously weird with the double down on the, yeah. He's coming. The I am jizzing. I mean, look, are you okay with that decision by UFC to just go, yeah, who cares about the draw? Ankle eye is probably better. Let's do it.

I mean, I don't even know. The division's a mess. Like, honestly, someone tweeted me this. I forget who it was. Somebody had a funny a funny if not interesting if maybe even good idea or a good uh thought which was they kind of hoped that Glover this was pre-fight they hoped that Glover was going to win right and then retire okay so you still have this problem but then you could just do something of like a mid a mini light heavyweight

tournament to like really sort this all out now Now, obviously, Jamal Hill performing as well as he did kind of takes that out of the equation, but it doesn't make for obvious matchmaking. Here's my view, BC. This is my view. Now, if you pull up the rankings, I'm going to get to the secondary part of it. But the first part is I think Ankalayev should be next. That's just my opinion. I think Ankalayev should be next. From there, the question is like, what do you do? Yuri, to me, might be ready for the second or third excuse me third or fourth quarter of the of the year so that's potentially on the back burner but if that's not in place the he can fight the winner of that fight fights Jan Blachowicz

and then after that see where Rakic is because he has to come back from injury against Prochocka that's a way you could do that or Prochocka can just wait in line. But if he wants to get busy, he could take on Rakic earlier than that, obviously, because he's going to be looking at a similar time frame. Or you could just have Prochocka wait and then do Rakic and Smith again to see where both of those guys are, and then the winner of that can move up. Where are you on any of those matchups? What's most important?

Ankulayev would be most important luke because i think he's showing overall the full body of work that he the best i mean when's rackets ready because he was hurt right he was hurt as well i'm not sure i'm not sure what his exact time he hasn't taken a fight yet and i see i follow him on social media he's still kind of like getting back in good shape i guess here's the real question i want to ask you how many names would you be okay with and wouldn't complain at all in terms of like, hey, UFC, that's too far down the rankings or whatever. Like if Anthony Smith gets the next title shot, you okay with that? Well, they were supposed to fight, but that of course is now under very different circumstances.

Yeah, I would, Smith is sitting at six and you've got Ankaliev and Blachowicz ahead of him in the rankings, which I realize are coming off the draw, but still, and Rakic is sitting at six, and you've got Onkelayev and Blachowicz ahead of him in the rankings, which I realize are coming off the draw, but still. And Rakic is sitting at five. We don't really know his story. Glover is at two. You can't go Smith. No, what are we talking about? I love Smith.

It has to be Onkelayev or Blachowicz. And I think Onkelayev, personally. But, you know, depending on how things go, I don't think Smith is necessarily that far away. Okay, the last part of this was about like, listen, if you win a UFC title, that's a really difficult, highly commendable thing to do. You know, it doesn't matter who the person is. That's just extremely difficult to do. And then to win it with frankly, not a ton of MMA experience. And then to do it so thoroughly against a very battle-tested veteran in Glover Teixeira. I mean, these are all highly, highly, highly distinguished feats, okay?

But there is this question about how much the fan base takes to him, in part because of the uncertainty in the division, and the other part is, BC, he kind of expressed sympathy for Dana White hitting his wife. I mean, he didn't say it exactly that way, but what he said was, she hit him first, so definitely hit her back, it's okay. His argument was, no one should hit

anyone, but if she does hit, then you can, I guess, retaliation under his rule is totally acceptable. He also seems to be a big fan of Andrew Tate. This has pissed off a lot of people. I wonder what you make of any of that and to what extent that will impede any potential relationship with the fan base, or perhaps not. I think it will impede it. I mean, look, I was surprised how many people tweeted out.

MMA media included it, and while it wouldn't have been my choice of a move to do, you know, I get the spirit of what they're saying. They're like, oh, great fight and great performance. But now we got a division with somebody, you know, on top who's got piece of shit views and they share the tweets. And, you know, the tweets of his, of Jamal Hill's take on, you know, domestic assault and the whole she hit first thing and really doubling down on that. Yeah, I didn't agree with that either. That's cringe to me. And look, and I guess another part, his celebration. And look, you're really pulling, you know, splitting hairs here being critical.

But you asked me, dude, I got it. I almost got emotional when he got emotional because, you know, I know how unheralded he was and how people were, you looking over him and even me i was harping on you know i got a number seven guy when this weird situation fighting for a title which is why i was so happy he got the chance to show over five rounds how great he actually is but he went from very humble crying to what the fuck you're gonna say now and and obviously that can add on and and pull people wrong way. I do feel like he's in this weird spot where, you know, could great performances and knockouts just, you know, quiet this and win people over? It could. But I think when we look at fighters and when they, you know, come out of nowhere sometimes and suddenly achieve greatness and they're a factor, they're a player in this larger title or pay-per-view, you know that we focus on that we hyper focus on we either want them to be you know extreme baby faces or we want them to be the kind of villains where it's like

they're strategically doing it to piss us off and you know it's like pro wrestling you know uh type of scripting there well people don't want a real villains um you know i i don't want to harp on that because it's not that i don't think it's important. I think, you know, the views that he shared publicly are abhorrent and was the complete wrong response to that. The very public Dana white situation. But I do think you have to separate it from, from the actual performance itself. Like,

okay, you may not agree with his, you know, attitude or, or, or things he said or behaviors, you know, who cares at the end of the day compared to what he does in the cage.

I try to do that. I try to do that in music, Luke, when you, when you, you know, who cares at the end of the day compared to what he does in the cage. I try to do that. I try to do that in music. Luke, when you, when you, you know, you may have somebody who, who doesn't always do things you like,

but man, their art is so great. I can separate the art from the artist in that regard, but I do think from being beloved and how that might translate into like him being a ratings grabber, he could get there just by being who he is, who is in a smart action fighter who goes in there and takes people out. But I wonder if he might want to try to actually try to repair some of these,

some of the ways people look at him from some of those misgivings or relationships. Now, if he doesn't care, I want him to come out and say that. Go ahead, be the, you know, be the villain. Tell us you don't care. But I do think if he doesn't say anything about this stuff, he may have some trouble winning everybody over. But got to ask yourself does that matter luke because the more you're a villain the more people tend to tune in anyway not that i think jamal is i i yeah i don't know i don't know i think he's been underexposed from you know interview wise where

i don't truly know who he is you know what i mean besides just the controversy here controversy there yeah i mean there's that i mean, the full picture of the guy, neither you or I have a great one of it. That's the first thing I'd say. Second of all, you know, I try on fight nights to make sure that, and I didn't bring it up on the post-fight show at all. Like, I didn't bring it up at one bit intentionally

because the guy just won the UFC light heavyweight title. It was about fight nights, so let's keep it about fight nights. But on Monday's MK, I want to reflect a little bit more. I mean, the dude's got views that I would consider to be, you know, bare minimum questionable and probably retrograde is a better way to describe it. But, like, here's what I want. And I honestly don't even know the answer to this anymore, BC. I generally don't.

The more this seems to get a light shined on it throughout the entire sport, not just among the fighter class but among other participants in the industry the amount of people who have absolutely insane views or completely backwards or not keeping with the times or otherwise morally deficient uh hashtag people who hang out with kadyrov you know i don't even know what to say anymore like jamal hill relative to people who hang out with kadirov like that's not great but then i mean to me that's not even nearly the same level of uh problematic such that that's a word behavior like it's so you can't turn over a rock in this industry and not find worms like the entire forest is this way so i i'm not in any way trying to dissuade people if like what jamal

hill said was bad which i completely disagree with every single part of it. And I find the idea that anyone could believe a single word. Andrew Tate, it says convincing is like incomprehensible to me. But nevertheless, you know, take that into account. Make that a larger view of how you want to view it. But at least on fight night, you know, that's a really difficult achievement that he had. And I thought that was relevant to focus in that way. I think there's way, way too much good to focus on in this performance and one other thing from the

performance luke do you remember when hill came out it actually went back to the first face-off it was in uh ufc embedded episode one did you see that face-off they did outside the arena and it got like really intense yes and they you know they hugged afterwards and it was kind of just for the moment but i started watching jamal hill close throughout the week on how he handled being in the spotlight. Luke, how many times do we see somebody who, like they finally get that title shot after being a contender for years and sometimes you can see they don't look

like they're comfortable here and sometimes that doesn't matter. But he not only looked like he was comfortable. Dude, did you see walking into the cage, waiting at the door for Glover to get in and then staring at him and pointing at him in that moment you know i think our first thought was holy shit is this a a guy who's who's so nervous he's trying to show everybody that he belongs and he doesn't believe

it i remember in the moment thinking no i think it's actually the opposite his mental like focus and stance he took there dude that impressed me because it didn't look like bullshit and turns out it wasn't by the way but to i mean think of that who is this guy right anyone that regularly buys pay-per-views but maybe doesn't follow the sport week to week might not even know who he is yet he walked on the scene you know pointed at the toughest guy across and was like you know it's not about bowing down to glover here it's about i'm about to kick your ass and seeing the performance afterwards it makes that moment looking back a lot cooler and I think a big part of what makes Jamal Hill able to do what he just did was because he is wired to to uh so you know in terms of self-belief and being able to stay cool calm and poised and deliver with that intensity like very

few can especially in their you know debuting pay-per-view moment there yeah i just want to point out something a lot of times like fighters will get assessed pre-fight and someone will note oh look how much confidence they have but to me that usually is just a bullshit thing people say to be nice to someone when they don't have much else to say but it wasn't the case here and to me bc he had a very different kind of confidence than he usually had. He looked a little bit more sure of himself, much more leaning into the conflict itself. And to me, now having seen his performance and understanding it, to me, they put in a lot of homework around his very particular weaknesses.

They leveled up clearly in the gym, and he knew it. He knew he had leveled up in the gym. He knew that he had done the work necessary to put him in a position to win. And he was very confident about that growth. To me, when you focus on someone's confidence like that, that's different. That's very acceptable. That's real. I just don't like it half the time. Someone's like, yeah, he's coming in with a lot of confidence. Get the fuck out of here. The lazy ass analysis. But this was real.

This was a very much reflective of personal growth that he couldn't wait to show. And sure enough, he showed it. All right, BC, let's talk about the co-main event here. Excuse me. Before we get to the co-main event, I apologize. Let me get this off my screen. Before we get to the co-main,, let's talk about three Brazilian legends that were involved on fight night. Number one, Jose Aldo goes into the Hall of Fame.

But more to the point, BC, let's start here. Glover Teixeira and Shogun Hua retire on the exact same night. Shogun Hua lost on the prelims rather badly. Glover Teixeira did not lose, or he lost badly in the sense that he got beat up, but he showed a ton of resiliency through the whole thing. He didn't look frail in that way. So BC, taking all that into account, let's start first with Teixeira and Hua. What are their respective legacies in the sport?

They're certainly different and and you know as we talked about a big part of glover's success was was backloaded in that regard but it's like you know these are the the it's it's a it's a trope i keep reaching for lately but these are the last of the cowboys luke these really are i mean these are the guys you know in shogun's case he actually came from that era, the prime pride run that he had that, you know, not only was he still around today, but as we talk, I mean, he, he somehow stayed relevant in his twilight. It was, it was ridiculous, uh, to the fact that these guys are still around today and now going away, they had a Durer evolution, you know, years damage, all of that. And at the

end of the day, they are about doing exactly what Glover did and I'm sure Shogun would have tried to do if he didn't get stopped early which was just leave it 11 let it all hang out you talk about gameness the whole idea of not being overly worried on the on the cost on the damage it takes I mean look there's people with great chins in history or recuperative abilities and then to me there's the Brazilian legends and the, you know, the chins don't last forever. And Shogun's been stopped a couple of times in recent years, but dude, it's just when you it's,

it's the chin mixed with the attitude and the toughness and the backstory. And, you know, certain regions can identify themselves in certain ways. And right now the folks from Dagestan in that area are certainly doing that too. But man, these guys are just about it, about it. I was glad they got to go out together on the same night in different ways. UFC's return to Brazil, you know, first time in three years. There was just something pure about it.

And I think that's it. What's their legacy? Outside of everything they both accomplished, Shogun, I think a little bit more than Glover, but, you know, who's comparing notes here um it's always been that pure ability that like if you're paying money to see them you know you're going to get the best of them and they may walk into to the buzzsaw like Shogun did against John Jones and that that's just what happens in this game but man are they about it about it and to have the type of longevity that they had not just Shogun in totality but for Glover to actually figure out how to be the best of himself in his you know early onset wash it

years that we're enduring right now is is that's a huge part of what made him great yeah for me there'd be two different ones with with Glover I mean I don't know if folks realize this he went on a I mean I'm sure some do, obviously, but just as a reminder anyway, he went on a 20-fight win streak from 2005 to 2014. 20 fights in a row he won. He didn't lose a single one in between. Now, that's not just UFC.

In fact, a lot of that is not UFC, but the point I'm trying to make is, when he went 2-2 to start his career, and then after that, he went 22-2 before he met Jon Jones. An incredible achievement by itself, the kind of thing he was putting together very quietly. He had a very quiet start to his career. He had very quiet moments throughout large parts of it. I mean, here's the funny part about it.

He started when a lot of other of his Brazilian contemporaries started, around sort of post-9-11, 2002-ish, around that time, and then wanted to build a career from there but he missed the heyday of pride he didn't get it early enough of a start to get a call up over there and he missed the early UFC boom post 2005 as well he did not make his UFC debut until I think 2011 or 2012 let me verify that yeah he lost he what he lose like five years of his prime because he UFC wanted him but he couldn't get the visa to get the visa issues which you talked about he didn't make it till 2012 I mean Shogun had already become a pride champ and a UFC champ and then lost the UFC champ before Glover even made his UFC debut

he lost years of his career but it should be noted when you think about the Brazilian legends especially at light heavyweight Shogununs, Vanderleys, Aronas. You could go to, let's see who else. Renato Sobral. You could go on and on and on. What about the king of the streets? Yes. No, no, no, no, no.

Marco Hulas was heavyweight, but I'm talking about light heavyweight. Oh, he could have cut down to 205 if it wasn't big. He could have. He could have. Also, Little Nog goes in that. There was a general class of Brazilian excellence that came out at that time, especially at light heavyweight. Glover never really got the credit as being part of that, that there was a general class of Brazilian excellence that came out at that time especially at light heavyweight Glover never really got the credit as being part of that but he very much

was part of that class it just took him a little while longer by virtue of how much time he lost with all his visa issues and then getting back and obviously getting a title at age 42 years old that's the first thing I'd say the second part about his career that really stands out to me BC is just very simply he is a testament to what happens when you are perseverant and you make commitment to martial arts development just a part of your life. You know, his success, some guys got success in 2005, like Shogun, and some guys got success later in 2007, 2008, 2009, again, that Brazilian class and whatnot. And he never did.

He had to wait until 2022, 2022 to get, well, or 2021 even. What year was it when he finally beat a Prohokia? 2022. June of that year. He had to wait that long. He had to wait 20 years into his career to finally get the acclaim that he deserved. That is a testament. And that only happens when you're a blue collar guy as part of your identity and you pack a lunch every day and every day you go to the gym and just get a little bit better and a little bit better and a little bit better. So I think of him as that Brazilian class BC and I also think of him as one of these lunch pail guys who is just a testament to what happens when you don't fucking

quit. For Shogun BC it's a little bit different. He did burst early. He is one of the most important legends in all of Brazilian MMA. He's one of the best Brazilian, frankly, I'll write MMA fighters ever. He had arguably the very best calendar year any MMA fighters ever had in 2005. I'm going to say flatly, he had the best run through any tournament any fighter has ever had through the Pride Middleweight Grand Prix. He did fall on hard times and should have retired probably a long time ago. But in terms of his upside, part of one of the most important Brazilian rivalries of all time between shoot-to-box and Brazilian top team, best tournament run ever, arguably best year ever, and a real dynamite savage

when it came to making very dangerous Muay Thai a part of finishing, a part of high level fighting and not just him of course Vanderlei and others Anderson Silva but he was a big part of that too indeed and and you know keeping with the trio there Jose Aldo had already retired although he has a boxing pro boxing debut coming up on UFC Fight Pass but that took me off guard almost as much as it took him off guard I think uh you, that's typically how UFC does it, where I think Jose found out while he was sitting in the arena, Luke, on the screen that he would be, you know, is he the headliner?

If not, right up there for this year's Hall of Fame class. But to see him break down, not just like once for a little bit, but like they went, they almost threw to a commercial and threw the camera back at him and he was still broken down luke like damn dude you know like that like that how does that not touch you you know you think somebody like joe you think anytime somebody gets so much stardom and you know and championships and acclaim and all that that how many times have we seen people change you know maybe separate from harboring an escaped uh uh politician luke that's about as pure of from a pure gentleman a moment that that you could imagine to see how much that actually meant to him and uh you know like anderson in the modern era was the was the was the flashy one

you know that represented brazilian mma but jose aldo was the the you know the the the clock ticking every time consistent destroying one um I was a little surprised to see that get to him like that but I loved it man I loved it yeah I mean I think during the time you could argue like Demetrius has gone on to do things better in MMA than Jose I'm not necessarily making that argument but certainly one could but and again they didn't have flyweight at WEC when when Demetrius was around but just as a matter of fact Jose Aldo to me they made Uriah Faber for a long time to face that organization but the real face that organization yes was Jose Aldo he's the best fighter in WEC history he's one of the five best fighters ever in my view you could have him even

higher than that if you wanted to he's one of the very best premier talents ever to come out on planet earth sub 155 he showed what could happen when you marry dynamic athleticism with um you know obviously he had all the various parts of the game because he was a it was a brown belt world champion not a black belt but he beat cabrinho in into getting in the world championships at brown belt before they both made it to black. And he was one of these guys, like he came out with this devastating leg kicking in Muay Thai. And then I remember when Gray Maynard went to go wrestle with him, was like mind blown at how good his defensive wrestling was. He was good at defensive wrestling before any of the very good strikers really in MMA were as good. Because there was guys who could strike and had defensive wrestling,

but not guys who you thought of primarily as strikers who could do it. He did it. I mean, we are talking about the very highest level of excellence in the sport that this guy achieved. It was a 10-year undefeated run. Basically, they just don't come much better than Jose Aldo. Facts. Sorry.

Did he deserve a McGregor rematch and not get it? I thought so. But, you know, the sport moves on you know it was cool to see him uh mention that you know he looks back at Conor so positively because you know Conor got him his biggest payday you know ever and elevated his you know brand in that regard so uh you know that story mixed with when he told Oscar Willis at the post-fight press conference that Conor put red panties on uh Jose's door the night before UFC 200. It's kind of hilarious, Luke, to a certain degree, if you care about that stuff. But no, the King of Heel, Luke, the King indeed. It's funny,

you just said top five. And, you know, I always sort of have a working upper table top five, not that it really matters. It's just my own personal hierarchy. And I get a lot of lot of slander from people saying like dude you got to reshuffle that deck and put jose in there and you just said top five but it's like you can't only have five i wonder though if i have been wrong because i typically reserve that that space for anderson george john fedor and who am i missing there, Luke? Demetrius. Demetrius. And then you have to ask yourself, did Habib enter that,

or did he come just short? Did DC enter that? I would not put Habib over Jose Aldo, I don't think. I don't know. I have to think about that. Did Cormier pass that when he knocked out Stipe in the first fight, or did he lose it? There's a gray area. There's a lot of great names, but I wouldn't be wrong if I decided to reshuffle the deck and put him in there in that top five.

I just don't think people understand all the ways in which he contributed to the growth of MMA, not just as a popular attraction, although there's some debate about that because he was never really a major pay-per-view star. But in terms of the skills he was able to showcase, like we didn't even talk about his boxing, his ability to slip punches, reangle and pivot off the front foot body attacks by combining things that the guys just weren't slipping punches

like they you see it fairly regularly now to you know of some success some not jose was doing that fucking 14 or whatever but it was years ago at this point way ahead of his time way ahead of the rest of the crew everyone like the reason why he was so dominant was everyone had to play catch up for years for years it took that that long for the division to even figure out what possible ways you could even slow a guy down like that so i just don't think folks really appreciate how much he contributed to the technical maturation of the sport especially for the lighter weight guys, really had a very direct hand in it. I love when he came over from the WEC.

They're like, we're not even going to have him fight for the championship here. You're the UFC featherweight champion. Go ahead. And he went, he went ahead. How could you do anything else? It'd be so disrespectful. All right, BC, let's talk about the co-main event. UFC 283.

So Brandon Moreno actually ends up stopping Devis and Figueiredo via TKO. Basically, it's after the third round. The third round had ended. A fourth round never began. It was in that middle space. So they give it to him at basically five minutes of the third round. He is now once again your UFC flyweight champion. BC, very open-ended question, but an important one to you.

What did Brandon Moreno prove with this win? I think he proved that he won this rivalry that in terms of the overall performances he's the better fighter of the two in this you know now historic uh chapter series between them and if there's was any argument needed above the fact that he's two one and one against figueredo. His wins, his two wins, are the only two stoppages and are largely one-sided. And, I mean, this one was one-sided to the point, Luke, that I actually saw people coming back around again and DMing me and going, Hey, wait, did we overvalue this series? It's actually not one of the greatest rivalries. Only the first fight was great and the third one was slow and there were two one-sided stoppages.

And I was like, slow down, people. I really enjoyed this rivalry, okay? Maybe it maybe it's not you know the greatest in history but i think you know you get to that point as an emotional fan because moreno came out and handled it he mixed in the wrestling smartly he made adjustments on the feet and striking he used volume for the fact that figueredo's especially with that hard way cut i don't think you can say it enough can't you know can't can't go crazy can't can't go balls to the walls and really flaunt that power on that same level more than one strike at a time. Considering the upheaval in Moreno's corner in camp on the way in here

with James Kraus out and Saif Saoud in, man, that's just a mature performance to come back and one-up and one up the guy who's, who's given him trouble along the way. Um, I, you know, I didn't learn a ton. It's not that he made a, an overly ridiculous leap. I think he just fixed some of the, some of the things from the third fight and, and, you know, I mean, look, look, Figueredo's 35 and, you know, that punch took a lot of starch out of Figueredo that left that left hook that closed his eye. And of course, there was a brief period where I thought it was maybe from the the the eye poke, which followed it. But I really enjoyed the investigative work of the UFC team to point that out that it wasn't.

Yeah, man, he's the man at flyweight. And, you know, he kind of needed Figueredo to truly make him. But he came back in and the belt is his. Figueiredo's moving up to 135, and now we get to see if Moreno in this division, which has been all fireworks and parody since DJ got traded and Cejudo saved it, let's see if he can put a run together.

He's still very young. We'll have a big push marketing-wise with the Mexican heritage, but very mature performance. Yeah, I have a few things about this that really stand out to me now danny segura tweeted this on saturday night you know it really is important to note this because what i'm about to tell you like even 10 years ago was really unfathomable just completely unfathomable which is that there were before saturday night four ufc fighters of mex of Mexican descent for Mexican nationals that are going to

be fighting for UFC titles. Brandon Marino was the first one and he won subsequent to this. We're going to have Alexa Grasso taking on Valentina Shevchenko, as well as Irene Aldana taking on Amanda Nunez. Plus don't forget it's an interim title, but still a very worthy opportunity for Yair Rodriguez to take on Josh Emmett. Dude, by the end of 2023, it is at least conceivable. Unlikely because it's, you know, just hard to predict all four are going to win.

But you might be able to say you have four Mexican nationals as champions in one calendar year for the UFC. That is crazy development for that part of the world. I knew that they would eventually come around and be big players. They're just, you know this from boxing, BC. I mean, I don't even need to tell you how important Mexico is to the history of boxing. It's one of the premier places in the world for developing, finding, and enjoying premier talent. But the reality is, on the MMA side, they are making vast improvements in very, very rapid ways. This is a historic time for Mexican mixed martial arts.

And I just hope all fans can appreciate that. When every one of these hot spots gets stronger in MMA, the talent pool gets better, which means the fights get better. The game gets bigger. You got to love every part of that. That's the first thing I'd say. Game begets game, Luke. It certainly does. And game recognizes game.

And I think we should all recognize Mexican MMA could be on the precipice of something bigger. We shall see. The other part, though, specifically about Brandon Moreno, BC, I went back and I watched the fight this morning and I took notes on everything I saw. You know what really stood out to me is that it wasn't like Brandon did anything really super special this time. I didn't see anything especially crazy from him,

but what he did do was very, very clean fundamentals. What I'm going to say here is I believe both guys leveled up from this rivalry. Now you could say, well, Figueredo didn't look all that great necessarily on Saturday night. Compare the level of detail, which he approached the game in this fight with the first one, and they're just radically different. Even he improved. But Brandon Moreno is just almost a new fighter at this point. He had a lot of the raw ingredients, but it is such a smooth, well-put-together package at this point that it really is just remarkable.

What won him this was destabilizing inside leg kicks, well-timed takedowns, right hands over the top, or combinations left to the body right over the top, or when he was able to judge distance with hand fighting, that leaping left that you saw. He threw it about 13 seconds before it actually landed. He missed the first time, and then he adjusted the second. And BC, all of it came from understanding range and exactly the very particular kind of footwork setups that Figuaretto does, Moreno found them all out, knew exactly what was coming,

had planned for them all, and was able to either get out of the way of most of the trouble or just cause it on his own by getting that hunched over stance. He would jab at open air. He would bait attacks. It's all not easy. Not easy. We've talked about this with a Gordon Ryan's game.

Nothing about his game is easy, but it is simple. It's not based on anything super crazy flashy. It's not based on anything where you're doing. He's wild spinning this and acrobatic that it's just super solid fundamentals on distance, timing, footwork, all those things put together, building it, knowing the opponent. And he built all of the previous opponents, uh, excuse me, all the previous fights he had against this guy. He put that together, mixed it with this well, I should say, strong understanding of fundamentals, and it just resulted in a close fight,

but really, one guy was just better than the other one throughout the entire course of it. It was Brandon Moreno. I am amazed at just how far he has come along we shall see how long he can hold on to that title BC especially if Cejudo comes back and maybe he goes to 135 or 125 we don't really know but I gotta tell you man these guys built themselves up through this rivalry Moreno built himself up in particular but they raised the stakes for the rivalry and do they rebuilt flyweight and when it really really needed it not by themselves but certainly you can say the rivalry lifted it this was a really grown man

performance from brandon moreno indeed indeed and and you know he's he's becoming a some of his parts guy you know he's becoming a complete fighter and you wonder if the switching camp which we assumed might be a negative ends up being a positive to get a you know completely new look from a completely you know new smart brain to to try to help make subtle changes because you know moreno won the he ended up winning more fights than figueredo in this rivalry but i think overall because you could have made a better case for moreno winning the decision in the draw on the first one than you could have figured out so i think all in all it just came down to very little things and when he was able to adjust those little things he had the potential to be dominant in certain stretches of this rivalry and when he didn't it was still pretty close and

figure it out you know edged him out but look it's hard man you know i can give figure it out credit for making the way and and you know he had that window there to be something and he maxed it out and he came back and won the title back in the trilogy. And no one's going to hold that back. But it's like, damn, if only this weight class was, you know, 127 pounds. What would you know if he had more of a gas tank? What would he look like being that destroyer? He'd probably look like how he did in the Benavidez fights.

Right. I mean, it's like, you know, when he can be when he has the gas tank to go through some crazy exchanges and stuff. Figueredo has so gas tank to go through some crazy exchanges and stuff figure it out so many ways to finish a fight he's been a revelation for the division and for my entertainment purposes i got a lot of questions on what he'll look like a bantamweight but didn't he scare you into thinking he was like retiring taking off the gloves luke that was a little scary for a second yeah and then he was like i'm just gonna go to 135 bc i said this on saturday night would love to get your response to this like dude figure it was obviously a talented guy right um but 35 years old going to 135 and umar nurmagomedov isn't even

ranked inside the top 10 man good luck trying to climb the ranks in that division bro yeah 35 years of age it has the potential to be an uphill battle uh we're gonna have to see if his power carries and stays on that on that threat level at 35. If it doesn't, yeah. I mean, he's tough. He's got a good grappling game. There's a lot he can do, but his style was tailored to being such a bully in that division. You know, that it's like sometimes that gap is just too big. He's got a lot of questions to answer with the age mixed with that,

but he's still operating at such a high level, even with the age, Luke, that you give him a chance. Give the man a chance, all right? Yeah, I think that's fair. BC, do you have any idea who you would want to see Brandon Moreno up against next? Juicy, I think it was Juicy Ayrton. Was it Pantoja or Formiga backstage? I think it was Pantoja. Yeah, Pantoja's

due, bro. Pantoja's due. He wants to. That's who you go with? That's who you're going to go with? Yeah, have they fought each other? Because it's been very incestuous in this division at the top level where they tend to all fight each other. Let me get the correct record here before I speak out. Okay, yeah. So Moreno lost to Pantoja by decision way back in 2018. It was the fight that led to Brandon Moreno being cut.

So not only do you have that whole sort of storyline factor playing out, but at 32, Pantoja's coming on with the three straight victories and two of them being submissions. Yeah, it's got to be him, right? It's got to be him next because, you know, there are a lot of people that said, hey, you didn't need a fourth fight between these two. Pantoja had already earned it. But, Luke, if Moreno does win, dude, you got to get a Kaikara France rematch going

and, you know, him against Royville, him against guys he's already fought, like, he could put together a run, and as we know, every fight's gonna be fireworks, dude, I love this division. I love his division too, and I gotta say, these guys, flyweight fights weren't always this fun, I think we should say that out loud. Yeah. People are like, oh my god, the UFC cut flyc cut fly weights and yes maybe they cut them prematurely but you also have to acknowledge the fights certainly this generation it may not be a permanent fixture i mean divisions and their

quality go up and down over time but i'm sorry like these two guys these fights are much better than early stage flyweight fights there was a lot of wrestling guys didn't have a hard time hurting each other there wasn't a lot of power necessarily i feel like the weight class just has overall globally more talent in 2023 than it did in 2013 when it started it used to be fun because they they looked like they were mice running through a trap it was like you know not it was like wild but to your point no there wasn't a ton of finishers now i think you know we don't we god demetrius johnson earns needs deserve so much more credit than anyone ever gave remember there was a guy ahead of his time you remember that stretch where where dj was just getting decision wins and we're like not only is

he not marketable he's not a finisher and then he just comes out there and like knocks uh benavidez out in the first round of the rematch and just you know starts effing around and getting lost second finishes i mean damn dude let it luke let for the rest of my life and any mma bullshit that spews out of my mouth anything involving an upper room and top five and all that shit if you ever hear me start to forget and misstep and and never keep dj where he's deserved and belongs and by the way still going and still great you know kick me right in the old cajones luke okay because i deserve that because DJ, he earned that shit, man. But yeah, Flyweight wasn't that much fun when he was on top.

But I don't know, is that his fault? That's the forever debate. He was fun. That's the problem, right? Like, he was fun on top. And yes, you could argue Cejudo was there as well and beat him in the second one, although that's kind of crazy. I'm just saying, like, to me, the general quality of Flyweight, forget about demetrius johnson fights who is the outlier of all outliers

i mean it's very it's very unfair to hold him as your standard the general the general level of flyweight fights i you know they're better now they are they're much better now this this rivalry is you know a little bit also an exaggerated example but i think is more emblematic of what you typically can get these days versus what it used to be now look name name name a better ufc flyweight fight than henry cejudo versus joseph benavidez uh the the first one between these two maybe well i wouldn't have fouls i mean that's not exactly right but second one maybe i don't know um no not the second one. Third one, maybe. Yeah, third one's different, though. Okay, neither here nor there. BC, we're going to point number four now.

Gilbert Burns, speaking of dominance, Jesus, Lord have mercy on poor Neil Magny. Gilbert Burns just ran through him. I don't know how else to say it. I got a ton of respect for Neil Magny, but he was overmatched. Gilbert Burns did. Once his grappling got going, he did whatever he want to ended up with a head and arm triangle submission in the first round BC he called for Colby Covington next two-parter one did he restore confidence in you about him still being a very top contender

at Walter Waite and two if it is the case should he get the Colby Covington fight next? Yeah, it may end up being the right fight under both scenarios. But, dude, at 36, coming off of a war with Chemayev, again, one that probably should be argued more of how close it actually was. Like, this is a fight he took kind of because he had to stay busy against a big name. I expected him to win, not to the dominant level that he did, nor that Vegas set him up to. I mean, Vegas on not to the dominant level that he did, nor that Vegas set him up to. I mean, Vegas on top of this one, they knew better, Luke. This was that perfect type of fight where you're like looking at the odds and you're going, man, Magny's tough. He's tough

to look great against all this shit. Oh no, Gilbert Burns with the curly hair is a different story. So what he ultimately restored was not just like, is he a player in the space he would prefer? It seems to operate in meaning action star. He wants Covington. He wants Masvidal. He wants to be in that. I want to make money in the pay-per-view main or co-main, whether I'm in a title fight or not, but dude, the ease in which he relied on his original strengths of,

of takedowns into grappling into submissions, dude, he's still a title contender in my eyes especially since you know that the division was turned upside down with the upset of edwards and now we need the trilogy right there um maybe colby's the right the right fight either way luke but i'm not sure he's done fighting for a title dude gilbert burns especially you know you heard the comments after of like i could do that what i just did a magni to anybody. He fell in love with how well-rounded he got, rightfully so. He became a legitimate striking threat. And oh, by the way, he dropped Usman in the first round in the title fight. Sometimes we forget that. But if he leans a little bit more submission first, Luke, there

is a short amount, a short list of people on this earth who, who can, you know, fight that off with, with, with ease. Um, dude, he's still a threat for this title. Tell me I'm wrong, Luke. Uh, you're not wrong. It'd be interesting to see what happens in terms of the Colby Covington fight. He might get it. He probably should get it, but I have a feeling that they don't really know what's going to happen with Colby. I don't know exactly what his return time is under what circumstances he has been very very quiet for the most part and here's the problem dude you've got below muhammad sitting at four you've got gilbert burns sitting at five i feel like they're headed for a fight because even pre-fight you had uh you had burns at one of the pre-fight press conferences or media days getting out there

and saying you know i don't even understand why this guy's ranked ahead of me blah blah blah and of course below had a response and below is on the run of his life it should be noted to this point as well you might end up with those two and then those two trying to figure out what happens up top i don't know i don't know exactly what's gonna happen with colby covington but i'll say this man if if you were sleeping on gilbert burns wow he's kind of washed and blah blah blah nah fam nah not at all not really true even a little bit he looked amazing and if you can show the slides of the finish of the choke one more time it should be noted here for head and arm triangle he's not even in close to the optimal position in fact he's stuck up

against the fence so he has to be kind of on top so this is where he launches it over and then you'll see when you get him fully to the side look stop it there for just a second look at this that is not even close to an optimal position for head and arm triangle you actually want to be much further off if you can be the fact that the fence stopped him from angling out the way he needed to to fully get it and yet still was able to to tap a veteran veteran like neil magny tells you this dude knows every every centimeter of where a choke just needs to be exactly to get it right and was able to pull it off a master of sport in jiu-jitsu and overall looked like he still had all the athletic dynamism his setup to get it he switched stance into a right-handed stance to get the body lock so the entry was smooth the finish of the body

lock takedown was smooth the finish of the body lock takedown was smooth the choice of the body lock because it gives him pinning top pressure when he lands was smooth like dude this guy is very much very much still a high level operator so i don't know exactly how this is going to go colby could play fuck fuck games bc and make someone like burns and and below have to fight which by the way it wouldn't be the end of the world but i would like to see burns versus covington i actually think it's a real tough test here's the and make someone like Burns and Bilal have to fight, which, by the way, wouldn't be the end of the world, but I would like to see Burns versus Covington. I actually think it's a real tough test of where Colby is still at.

Well, here's the deal, Colby. You've got to basically pick your poison because you fuck around with your own fuck-fuck games, you'll end up playing Jermia and be offered nothing else, right? You know what I mean? Could be. So you've got to kind of pick what you would prefer in that regard. But, you know, I wonder if Gilbert could have a Glover-like run, right? You know, look, no one's saying he's necessarily going to fight for another title.

He'd have to beat, like you said, somebody on the Muhammad level. But, dude, especially if he leans into that side a little bit more, man, still got it, still going. I'd love him against either Usman or Edwards in a rematch if he ends up getting to that point. But we'll see, Luke. But that's a big win, man. I mean, because, like, dude, Magny just looked as kind of, you know, against Daniel Rodriguez.

Magny got a Magny-type win where you're like, okay, okay, this guy's still a player, still that guy. But it wasn't that guy in this fight. Damn, right? And the last thing i'd say is too like gilbert burns needed to have a win like this right i mean if you're as over if the other guy is as overmatched as he's supposed to be in theory and you're coming off of a loss and you want to establish yourself as like a still a guy to be very taken seriously you had to go in there and dominate him and he didn't like beat him up in that way

but he fucking dominated him i mean he dominated him from basically the moment he put his hands on him until the ref told him to get off uh and that was what he needed that was a really that was exactly the the needle that he needed to thread and i thought he did it as about as ably as a an advanced fighter could look if you had to set the odds for who would who's going to come out of this division and fight the winner of Usman Edwards three who's the leader in the clubhouse you don't know who everyone's fighting next you don't know if they're going to win but who's the leader in the clubhouse in your eyes boy that's a great call it's going to depend partly on what Leon says obviously right um they're not going to give a title what Leon says, obviously, right?

They're not going to give a title shot to Jorge, I don't think. I'd be very surprised by that, but one never knows. They might. I mean, it's the Dan Hendo bisping clause, Luke. They could just pull that out of nowhere, you know? Probably, I might say Bilal, honestly. You don't think Comzat? Here's the thing.

There's little whispers that Chumayev's next fight is going to be at 185, in which case he's out. Okay, so I'll say it this way. If he's in the running at welterweight, actually in the running, it's him. But from what I'm hearing, it's not out of the question, but it looks likelier that 185 is next. Who would he fight? Costa? Well, I don't know is costa gonna stick around i don't know what's gonna happen did you see him in the uh in the secret juice muscle shirt cage side i did that was very he's he's

he likes to troll old boho sheen he likes to troll all right bc uh point number five here we'll wrap up for our top five which is let's talk about the feature fight on this card it was a flyweight women's fight Jessica Andrade taking on Lauren Murphy the scores of this one these are scores you should never hear and I'm going to explain why the scores were two 30-25s one 30-26 folks the only reason you should ever hear a score like that is if someone had a point deducted. If someone ends up taking a beating where they lose 30-25, 30-25, 30-26, either the ref or the corner or both fucked up. Yeah, in a three-round fight.

This is a three-round fight. By the way, our own friend of the show, Aaron Bronstetter, compared the combined head striking totals from the first Zhong Wiley and I believe it was the Yoni and J check fight, right? They combined the totals to the head. It was only 20 more in a five round fight between two competitors, 180 basically to the 160 head strikes that Lauren Murphy absorbed in a three round contest BC whose fault is it that this fight was not stopped earlier.

Trainers 100%. And I don't even, you know, I didn't investigate it. I didn't see if they talked afterwards. I don't even know offhand. Who is her trainer? Actually her husband is one of them. I'm not sure the other name. I mean, you know, you're always going to make that argument. Like you always say of how well they know them and all that. Here's the deal, though. You have to know your own fighter in the other sense.

How are they going to win this? Look, what makes Lauren Murphy very good for this division? It's a combination of two things that are going to be very blunt. One is the good side. She's a well-rounded mixed martial artist who's tough and stubborn. You saw how tough and stubborn she is that she took that assault and finished it, but she's not a finisher, especially on the elite level in her own route. She's in her own mind.

She's not a big knockout threat. She's not someone who's known for pulling submissions out of nowhere. So, you know, part of why she's been able to stay elite is because of how hard she works into her late thirties and how well-rounded her game is. But this is, you know, part of why she's been able to stay elite is because of how hard she works into her late 30s and how well-rounded her game is. But this is, you know, until recently, a very shallow division, just the same, which is the other half of that argument. Where in, you know, this is one of the across the board in its history, Luke, it's one of the worst divisions UFC has ever promoted in that regard. I like now that it's it's we got some fresh, you know, it's going in a good place.

That's part of it. You have to know what she's capable of what do you win what's the you know let's say i've said this argument in boxing so many times in the last decade what what what is the moral victory worth what do you win it's a loss you know what i mean who cares that you're able to say at the end of the day i've never never been stopped or I, I fought that former champion, but I wasn't stopped. What, what, you know, what, what's the, what's the, what's the receipt at the end of the day? She wasn't in this fight. It was, that's the thing about the Glover to share a fifth round. I washed it through my fingers in part, but that's a title fight. And that's a guy with a reputation for being tough. And by the way, when you have a reputation for being tough, you'll end up using every inch of your chin because referees like to give you you know give you some latitude and some room there that's a different story she wasn't in this fight there was no threat of one or two

punches turning that around i hated it i hated watching it and this doesn't even come into play luke that in our okay bet uh head-to-head league i got absolutely run over for the second straight one and if they had stopped it i would have saved a little face with the prediction of the andrade knockout that notwithstanding um i mean go what are you gonna do look you're gonna tear into them you should tear into them here i mean i'm not gonna i like lauren murphy a lot i'm not gonna tear into her and uh i'm sure that her husband who was working in her corner in that capacity i'm sure he didn't want bad things to happen to her.

So, you know, I've tried firing brimstone from this, and sometimes I will resort to it no matter what. This time, I really want to appeal to the value of the argument. I would like to win on the value of ideas. We have really, really, really got to start understanding what it means when people say, they're actually right in the wrong way. When people say their corner knows them better, dude,

that means there's a conflict of interest basically, or pretty close to it, right? This argument that the corner knows them better is so very much beside the point and actually backwards logic. What actually ends. I mean, it's the exact argument that gets trotted out when bad things happen, right? What's like that your defense of them is that that like the the last thing protecting them was you and you couldn't do it like we would do a worse job i don't really i don't believe that someone who didn't know them as well

would actually do a worse job what could be worse than letting them continue to go out there and take abuse it's actually the worst case scenario and in in the worst case scenario, they try out that argument. And it's very revealing in a way that I think, I'm not saying her camp did that, but you, Daniel Cormier introduced it into the public consciousness, at least for this fight. But we've heard it many times. The corner knows them better. They're able to make better decisions. It's the opposite in many, many cases.

Because they know them better and because they care about them deeply and because they train about them, they believe in their character and upside to the point of irrational commitment. That's the reality. It actually inhibits them from making a more sober assessment of the state of things. To your point, not a dynamic finisher, not necessarily a knockout threat, not someone who's known in the case of Lauren Murphy to jump guillotine or something like that and really can get that clamp very quickly and anyone's in danger anytime she's there. That's not really the way in which she fights. She's very good. She's very decorated. But those aren't her particular traits.

She's taking a record level of abuse. Again, two 30-25s. If the idea was true that because they knew them better, we simply wouldn't end up in these circumstances. That argument is used to justify, frankly, unnecessary abuse. And it tells you that is the connection. The greater you know someone, the more you believe in their upside, the more you believe in what they're capable of, to the point of irrational commitment, the more you're willing to let them go out there and only take abuse in real time, justify it after the fact. The idea, one more time for the people in the back, the argument that because the corner

knows them better, you get better outcomes is matter of factly false. It is not true. If you're going to justify leaving her in there you must have a better argument than that because that one clearly clearly is the opposite of what they intend for it to mean didn't we learn this already in pennington newness only that fight you actually had a fighter asking out in the corner saying no so it's like even worse but you know that's a title fight so sometimes we suspend you know certain fears uh out of the idea of having your moment this wasn't a have your moment fight i mean

nothing about it and then i hate that it's even overshadowed what jessica andrage did which has come out in the higher of the two weight classes she populates when we were like wow why is she back in here and looking dominant gnarly as hell i look, this is a big win for her on the idea of if she wants to stay at 125, she's still a major player. Yes, I think that's true. And I think Lauren Murphy probably still has winning days in front of her. Again, it's more of the five-round beatings where you begin to get worried about someone being changed for the future, although three-round fights can do that sometimes too.

I guess we'll have to see. To your point, Lauren Murphy, and it's a good part in many ways, that she is very hard-headed and stubborn and forward-thinking and driven. Maybe this will be all for naught. But just the reality is this. In MMA, there is either an appetite or a tolerance of abuse that is distinct to me from fighting for sport, and I think a lot of people have a hard time telling the difference.

I'm not going to say that you or I don't get that wrong time to time i think we all get it wrong time to time but i'm going to just be very clear there is not enough awareness of the difference between weathering abuse for no good reason and what fighting and competitive sport looks like it shouldn't be as hard as it is to me to distinguish between them but here we are apparently it is i think the people in the back hear you now luke okay all right i just you know i'm very tired it's like justify here's all i want bc you're gonna send her back out there and again her corner didn't necessarily say this but again dc introduced it into the consciousness if we're going to send

fighters back out give me a different reason you know what i mean just give me a different give me something like um i don't think this is too much punishment like just tell me your judgment is off or something but don't give me this bullshit like we have this bond that gives me profound insight into the actual state of their medical condition dude it does the fucking opposite it makes you blind here's a question i don't think this was in play in this one, but in general, does the corner get access to the performance bonus in terms of their percentage cut? I know the manager might. I don't know about the corner.

That would be situation dependent. Also, let's just say this, too, in defending the corner a little bit. Referee Osirisa not having a great night not a great night for him he's had a few bad nights but this one was he's got a cool name at least very cool name osiris is his name i mean that's odb territory right but the point i'm trying to make is he was the guy who messed up the terence mckinney mouthpiece situation earlier in the night not giving it back to him in a readily enough fashion and then also was the one who just presided over this

beating and it's like dude what the fuck are you what are you waiting on my guy like this is you know where this is going but maybe he has a valley tudor background luke there's different standards there i guess so i get maybe he's maybe he's a fan of power slap league i don't know bc i can't really tell you but bad judgment i can tell you that uh a lot of bad judgment in this MMA space lately, Luke. Yeah, by the way, BC, are we going to get to the, they want to talk about the KO at Showboxing. You want to do that first? It's on the highlight.

It's on the rundown here. Well, no, we teased it up top and said that it'd be in Have You Seen This Shit? Okay, they put it here. I'm just telling you what they put in the rundown, but okay. All right, BC, I want to remind folks, we're getting closer to the end of the month, and you know exactly what that means. Almost time to

select the first ever Money Lion Hammer of the Month. Well, not the first ever, but the one for this month. For those of you who may have missed it a few weeks back, of course, we're going to start highlighting undercard fighters, whatever, who don't get the recognition perhaps they deserved. So our sponsor Money Lion agreed. We came up with the Hammer of the Month, which invites you guys, the viewers,

to nominate which undercard fighter simply blew your mind and deserved to be rewarded for it. I think there are six days left to vote. So you can go to moneylion.com slash morningcombat to learn more how to enter. And again, I think we have for last week, Umar Nurmagomedov,

Nurmagomedov, Royman Villa. And I think I put in this week, BC Ishmael Bon or Ishmael Bonfim. Who do you have? Yeah, I had somebody from this week bc uh ishmael bond or ismael bond theme who do you have uh yeah i had somebody from uh this week as well the heavyweight gialton almeida luke who uh who made it look easy talk about bc and lt making it look easy uh dude he's coming on in this heavyweight division gialton almeida and as long as i pronounce that correctly uh he may end up holding that hammer luke by the end of this month We'll have to see what people think.

We shall see. So you can hold your phone up to the screen right there. You can get the QR code. You can go to MoneyLion.com slash Morning Combat to learn more on how to enter. Get them in diggity donks. Look, he's a scary animal for this division. He can wrestle, dude. Almeida?

Yeah. Yeah, he's a beast. He's a beast. All right, BC. Time for the diggity donks to ask us questions. It's time for DMs from them. Hee haw, hee haw. Good stuff.

All right. Would you say that we've got mail? Viewers? We certainly do. That's in the DMs probably, yeah. BC, I love this question because I think it's a great one. This comes to us from at therealwill underscore 74. What are your thoughts on the UFC 283 crowd?

First of all, kind of sparse. But beyond that, he writes, pretty distasteful to shower Moreno with trash after his performance, but maybe worse than that leaving prior to Glover's in-cage retirement. BC, what do you think? Yeah, I didn't love it all around. So, Luke, I heard rumors on Twitter. Who knows if it's true? I wanted to bring it up that they they say ufc overpriced the tickets on the local level there

which kept out a lot of the real fans and left some empty patches because you'd have to believe in real of all places first ufc card there in three years uh 17 brazilian fighters on the card you'd have to believe that's an instant sellout right yeah and they didn't and it was it was i'm not going to say it was poorly attended but it and it was i would say it's decently attended maybe even good yeah definitely not great but beyond that look what are you going to say about them throwing trash at brandon moreno i mean it's classless would you say what was there anything in that when he was doing his post-fight interview i was uh looking something up not fully paying attention didn't he do some type of Viva La Mexico,

almost aggressively back at the crowd? He said, Viva Mexico perros. Viva Long Live Mexico dogs, is what he called them. But I think he's not talking to them. I think he's talking to like, because they'll say Viva Mexico cabrones, which means like. Are you crushing your bills?

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It felt like—because, look, they had booed him it turns out unjustly for beating their guy and they thought it was an eye scratch and the replays when we really focused on that we found out it was the punch that you know led to the end of the fight after the end of the third round but i get a crowd just being upset and then if he said something there that they may have taken the wrong way you know it's like i understand it luke but no it's still that's still a classless reaction. I'm glad Colby wasn't there, Luke, and there was no boomerangs involved. But in terms of the Glover, did they, so did they leave?

Here's what I'm trying to figure out, because I heard this accusation. Did they leave during the fight thinking he's going to get stopped soon? Let's go ahead to the exit to start the car. Or was it while he was about to talk and they just were like oh we'll see you later thanks glover i think some left early but what really happened was remembered like it was it was pretty much academic by the time it was over so then more leave and then they interviewed obviously because he was the winner jamal hill first and i think they just streamed out after that it was by the time they got the

mic got to glover to share there was not a lot of people there dude this is like i'll just say this this is why i say every time when american fires go they're like i love being in brazil and they're getting booed you'll fucking stop doing that man the brazilian mma fans i'll give them this they they gave shogun hula a standing ovation so i did like to see that i thought that was great you know like to recognize the moment there for one of the all-time best. But dude, the Brazilian fans are nationalists, right? I mean, and every fan base is to an extent,

but they're like hardcore nationalists. Like you're either Brazilian or you're not. And if you're not, you can kind of go F yourself. You know, they're not, it's not, I don't know why other audiences try to even pander to them or why we consider them some of the best. Like they're the best if like a brazilian guy wins or brazilian lady wins but other than that they're not even

close to the best which is not really true like in ireland i don't think you would get something like that you would get you would get you know booze in the right circumstance or some people walking out or whatever but in general i just don't feel like you get the same overall level of disrespect for anyone who's not strictly Irish in that way. The Brazilian fans are very, very much. You're certainly right. I just think there was something there were some elements to it. If they didn't get the full picture of how the fight ended, then that comment.

I get it. But the totality of it, Luke, I don't know if that's true about the tickets, but I hope that's not a direction it's headed because, you know, I've seen that in boxing routinely. And, you know, I mean, I can't tell you. Remember the tail end floyd mayweather's pay-per-view run there were certain nights it's like i remember particularly his final fight before the mcgregor fight the andre burdo fight where you know there wasn't boxing fans in the arena there was like floyd fans so there was a tremendous rematch in that co-main event it was a classic it was roman rocky martinez against orlando salido and they put on this war and i think it ended in a draw and i remember just looking around and the crowd is just like not here for that luke and i hope that's not the

direction it goes because you know this was a special night in many ways and you want to see passionate fans in there who love the sport just as much they love their country and you know and the fighters who fight under that flag so i mean look it's business luke that's what that's what happens right i mean it's business i guess so but i'm just tired of people like what are some of the best crowds in mma it's like with the brazilians well sometimes sometimes that's true it's not really the best what's the best city globally i mean what's the you know the rankings of best cities globally in terms of just making that fight feel incredible is it is dublin and london like one and two luke

yeah i think they're up there i will tell you now this was a certain time and place i don't know if it's true anymore but i was there when saint pierre fought jake shields with that giant crowd do that toronto fans they were good. They were real good. And the Canadian fans don't pull shit like that either, at least not in fights I've been to. And the MSG crowds usually have that extra level feel too. It's a certain something something there for sure. For sure.

Okay. Maybe Moncton. UFC Moncton too. Yeah, I don't know about all that. Gave me a certain feel, yeah. From at stand underscore them underscore up underscore mma i mean just the worst name ever why is there a culture in mma where trainers almost never throw the towel to protect their fighter this person writes it's way more

common in sports like boxing yet mma corners consistently adopt the if he dies he dies approach dude that's actually a good it's a good question because i will say i'm happy in general in boxing that things have been going more toward safety referees even i mean referees even sometimes piss me off they don't even do a count they jump in t-bag the guy and wave it off and you're like okay i would have liked to see him have a chance but the ref felt that guy took enough punishment i'd rather lean on the safe side right um. Why don't we, why is it, why is there not a culture for throwing in the towel, which is a part of boxing and it happens a lot, right? I mean, it's a,

it's a, it's a big part of it. There's, there's the referee, there's the, I'm sorry, there's the cage side doctor stoppage between rounds. We're used to that, whether it's, you know, the BMF title fight or the one we saw with uh with moreno just on saturday have you ever do you can you remember a scenario in ufc in which that's happened at the elite level where in the middle of a round a coach has like stood up and tried to get in the cage like is that even legal yeah in certain states i think all right it was a time where certain states had banned it might be more universally um uh acknowledged now it's you can do it nevada

certainly where or and this was under Nevada rules that Cab MMA uses. So it doesn't necessarily have to be between rounds. Yeah, you can be in the middle, I think, at certain times. I think the two biggest ones are, one, MMA is more volatile relative to boxing. So if someone's four rounds deep and it's an eight-round fight and you've just seen them getting whooped and, you know, if you're their trainer and you know what they've got and they don't you know which way this is going to go the chance they're going to land a big punch is infinitesimal just just close the show the other

one too is this bc and you know to me it's really been in many ways we have been lucky dude like in boxing if you watch it long enough you're gonna watch people die yeah now you're just gonna watch people die the guy here what was it 2020 2019 at the mgm national harbor bc uh just across the water from me here uh maxim um what was his lesson glasov was that his name something like that yeah i think so yeah he you know and this was a bout that was not it should have been stopped for sure and it was bad but it wasn't like i've seen worse beatings you know and i just went dude once you watch that man you get a much different appreciation for the the the precariousness of all of this oh that's not the guy's mma everyone's got like a

balls out fuck you i can overcome anything attitude and we're just we're just courting disaster basically it's mac apologies it wasn't maxine vlasov who is another boxer it was maxine dadashev and excuse me apologize for that yes it was the top of my tongue but you get the idea absolutely all right from at fahey dot liam boy you know this guy is not from america when he's got liam in his name i don't know a single liam from the united states if you see liam where are they from england maybe i guess australia Australia something like that Liam's one of those names where like the Americans just don't do that we don't name anyone Liam all right if it's with four ounce gloves BC does Fury speaking of Tyson Fury absolutely destroy Francis and Connor now BC you know this he could be all just saying a bunch of BS but he was asked

about it recently I think he was ringside for one of the fights this weekend i think it was eubank smith fight right yeah liam smith chris eubank yeah and so they asked Tyson Fury about it and he mentioned i'd love to fight Francis Ngannou four ounce gloves let's make it spicy what do you think bc i mean i think he would i just wonder in this specific scenario is he is he trying to push that narrative today to try to get Usyk to take less in the contract that they're currently negotiating? I don't know. But I do—look, we talked about it a lot in the past, Luke, related to the Singanu situation. I do think Fury's crazy enough that he would almost want more danger in this because he knows the lure of more danger would bring in more eyeballs.

I wonder if he just feels like that'll get the best out of him. Let's go in there. I'll show you. He always says he comes from descendants of bare-knuckle champions. The question there, though, seemed to be more from the viewer, more about how does that impact the fight? Do you think that doubles down on Fury's advantage, or does it bring Nganou back in because there's less padding?

I actually think it brings Nganou back in because there's less padding like what i actually think it brings in ghanu back in a little bit because um especially if they mess with the rules with like dirty boxing and stuff yeah you know because if they if they i mean this is all very pie in the sky but i think that changes it but i'll say this the reason why i think that that matters is because you know for for sure francis's knockout power translates with four ounce gloves i think it would probably translate with 10 or 12 but like it's just a very sure thing and dude tyson fury gets you know all he does all that ducking and dodging and shit but he takes risks sometimes and he gets hit he gets hit he's been dropped you know many times uh and even a cruiserweight who's it steve uh cutting him yeah yeah he dropped he dropped tyson fury

yeah that was a shocking moment. I mean, the whole ring shook. It was wild. See what I mean? So like, Francis, I would still bet on Tyson Fury to win or whatever, but yeah, it changes a little bit. Do you think Fury would rather do this than put his title on the line, not because he's afraid to lose his title,

but more like he's just thinking, what's the best way we maximize eyeballs and money on this? I mean, we were texting this morning right and you would introduce the idea that he could be saying this to put pressure on usic to sign up quicker or you know uh you know tyson fury likes to bullshit with the media so you have to be very very careful but i don't know he does seem to be interested and if he goes out there, BC, I'll say this. This is the question I would have for you. Actually, if he beats Usyk, am I wrong in thinking it makes the Francis and Ghanu fight more likely?

Oh yeah. A hundred percent. I would believe that there's nothing stopping because there's nobody, there's nobody extreme waiting, knocking on the door. I know Joe Joyce just signed up to fight Wong, Zhang Weili. What's the guy's name?

Zhang Zhelei. I'm sorry. I got it. He's fighting Zhang Zhelei. You know, and if he wins that, let's say he called out, I mean, look, he's going to be in play as well if he keeps winning because of the, you know,

big crowd he can draw in the UK. But AJ is not ready yet. So yeah, I think this is the fight for Fury to go do something different make money and you know if they make it an exhibition with mixed rules it doesn't touch his real boxing side at all so yeah I think he does

exactly that there you go I gotta take a whiz so bad Luke and I'm like do I stop the show and take a whiz live or do I just let me answer the give me like 30 seconds of your life all right okay okay all right so then we'll go to at Jonathan to Doreen to Darian I don't know how he pronounces but he says we often praise the fighter with a good jab what differentiates a good jab

from a great jab uh to me it's just going to be the variation of it is one thing right for how many different ways can he do it how much uh offense can they set up behind it um do they use their it's also not just the jab itself but the lead hand acting as potentially uh hand trapping or pinning or Errol Spence is the king of this he blinds with it he pins with it he he does he pulls down with it he'll parry with it and then behind it he'll jab to the body he'll mix up the jab to the head it's like in what ways is both the jab itself varied and valuable to what extent does it stick to what extent does it blind how very how um how much variety is there in the use does it come from the hip does it come from the shoulder can they vary between the two so a good jab is one that can do some of those things that you can notice as actually reasonably

affecting the contest or the round or any particular moment in the fight a great jab to me is one that has a very dominating effect over the entirety of the fight that a lot of these successful offense is built around it and it usually happens when it's used in a variety of ways when it can be both a timing jab a a power jab, a dipping jab, all different kinds of jabs. And that jab is just has this pronounced effect over the course of a contest. I don't know if there's one rule that separates them. Perhaps individual boxing trainers have them. But to me, it's like a good jab is one that you can definitely use to win. A great jab is one that really defines the complexion of a fight. BC, would you disagree much with that?

Yeah, the difference is you use it as a weapon, right? Yeah, well, that's what I mean. Some is to blind, some is to power, you know, so some is to really genuinely hurt, some is to trick, some is to use it to pivot off. You can do so many things by someone who knows what they're like errol spence to me i thought i mentioned it with the pinning the parrying the blinding the power to the body upstairs putting everything else behind it he's really really crafty yeah you

could have an educated jab and be really smart and know how to use it to do different things and that makes it a great jab or you could just have an old school power jab think lennox lewis right and that's a think kanadi golovkin that's a, think Gennady Golovkin. That's a weapon that you not only use to set up your power shots, but that is one of your power shots. So that's ultimately the difference. But yeah, Luke, I mean, there's still a lot of evolution

that needs to take place in terms of boxing in the MMA space, right? We're finally just seeing some added wrinkles and certain guys or girls stand out more, but it's a long time coming. All right, and last but not least, from at CubbiesFan80BC, since it's a Wish You Were Here theme, what's the all-time best song that clocks in over at 10 minutes?

So this is our boy Josh Ameluk. He's a big time listener here he's the one who is the uh wish you were here album cover tattooed on him slash on the other arm so i saw this come in over twitter last night and i was like oh i hope i hope the producers pick that but um he said the wish you were here thing because that was the uh do you see the album cover they put with our faces on it they tweeted it out luke yeah it's pretty great it's incredible it's pretty great. It's incredible. It's incredible.

So I love this question. And my knee-jerk reaction is always going to be In a God of DeVita by Iron Butterfly, like seven minutes of hypnotic, psychotic, you know, psychedelic rock.

But I actually took the minute and looked at this, Luke. And I could have, if you would have asked me without looking up, I probably would have said like Coma by Guns N' Roses or The End by The Doors.

But here's my real favorite. I love these type of ideas. Songs that were were written for the studio performed and put on an album they just happen to be long as shit 10 minutes or more you see that all the time in jazz jazz fusion even progressive rock think like yes and rush but in terms of regular rock here i go luke one sunday morning by wilco elton john's funeral for a friend slash love lies bleeding which is the first track on goodbye the elbrick road and is like elton's attempt at doing like prog rock mixed with incredible jamming amazing listen to the lion by van morrison shine on you crazy diamond by pink floyd which is sort of the you know the influence in this

question how that's the first and fifth track. Both of them are over five minutes, performed like a suite there. And I got The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys by Traffic and Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands if you're looking for a ballad from Bob Dylan. Luke, do you have any, you know, bite-your-tongue death metal classics here

that clocked in above 10 um i would say you could do stairway to heaven led zeppelin i think that's over 10 right i don't believe it is i believe it's in the seven to eight area oh um then the only thing i know for sure i mean i'm sure about this stevie ray vaughan has a cover of Voodoo Child. Yes. And it's from Carnegie Hall. And I think that one is post 10 minutes or right around it. And that one is.

Yeah. I mean, if we're bringing in live tracks, that changes the entire conversation. But if we're going by studio production. So, yes. I don't know many songs that are like over 10 minutes. It's rare. 7.55 is the length on Stairway to Heaven, but it's sort of in that category for sure.

Great question from our guy Josh right there. Big time music fan. And that great question leads us now to a great portion of the show where we look at BC's feces. Oh, our producers write Freebird. Get the fuck out of here with Freebird. Well, first of all, I don't think that is 10 minutes,

but if it was, Luke, it would be number one on the list. So maybe you can get the fuck out of here with freebird well first of all i don't think that is 10 minutes but if it was luke it would be number one on the list so maybe you can get the fuck out of here with freebird which is the greatest guitar solo in rock history not because it's one solo it's three it's three guitarists and dude when that when that when that solo kicks in in the second half of the song luke and they just go into the jam portion not only is that literally the greatest moment in rock and roll history listen i'm all i listen i'm all about i'm all about you know leonard skinner talking about hey i hope neil young will remember a southern man don't need him around anyhow oh that was that was amazing that was amazing but it's not the greatest rock solo in history okay you're you're really missing this so it's it's nine minutes and five seconds

you're really missing this because you're probably caught up on some memory of the chorus of the first half of the song mixed with your anti-southern politics because you know you grew up there half the time so i get that i just told you i liked him when he was shitting on neil young for so my point is this you're wrong the guitar so i don't i don't put it in the list of greatest guitar solos because it's three guitar players playing three separate solos mixed together but it's gary rossington does the most insane part oh it's it's it's incredible luke but it's not 10 minutes um so i was going to tell you that i had it keyed up at my wedding you know when they announced the wedding party and you come into like the reception hall right was this was this before or after someone played cotton eye joe well before because that was a big hit on the dance floor luke after but uh i had it queued

up where you know right when we opened the door and they said for the first time the guitar solo on freebird kicked in with the three guitars and and you know how long is uh how long is november rain uh that is not 10 but that would have been on my list uh it i believe it's in the lower nines or high eight that's eights that's up there that's up there yeah yeah i mean those are those epic sweet type of songs it's just ah they're they're great so many good ones in rock history luke okay all right well take us through so you're so many oh 8 55 for november rain oof uh okay take us through your bc species yeah i scoured the globe um this weekend like i always do but i didn't do it last week, though.

To, you know, search highs and lows, the in-between, the good, bad, the ugly, all that. And combat sports and a lot from beyond. They call this, have you seen this shit? Oh, oh, oh God. Oh God. So look, you didn't go to like, you know, some guy playing guitar at a bar and try to yell out free bird and then he's like here's a free bird like you didn't you didn't do that exchange you didn't no i'm not totally brain damaged all right here we go ufc 283 luke from heo uh did you see mel quiz i l costa Costa going ham with Bruce Buffer

during the introduction ahead of his UFC debut? Yeah, I should have saved some of that energy. Yeah, it didn't go his way in the end, but that's about as fired up as I've seen someone get. I mean, going nose-to-nose with Buff there, that's interesting. Yeah, it's a little much for me. I hope you hit your bone theme brothers parlay on saturday because ishmael bone theme stopped me from uh another bad

or kept me going down the road of bad picks in our pick segment here what he did to terrence mckinney was just oh god that was gnarly just i mean fooled him with the right knee and then sent him into the land of wind and ghosts with the left good night i hope mckinney's okay we know he's going to come back and look to throw big what did you make of his dispute with barstool sports i didn't know the origin of it but i saw them send him him to hell on twitter yeah so basically what happened was i guess one of their guys picked against him nothing like too bad what i could see i could be wrong but what i saw was just you know standard he's not going to win types and he didn't take too kindly to that fighters please don't like find people saying things about you on twitter that you don't have

to respond it's just too much bandwidth to give to someone but in any case yeah i guess he responded to it then he gets knocked out like this and then robbie fox of all people who i know put up a headline being like you know despite challenging barst Sports, he gets knocked out in the first round. Poor form by Barstool or not? Yeah, it is, but that's sort of their lane in some degree too, and it gets them attention. They're already in a gray area in MMA space to begin with because their form of journalism is open celebration and cheering,

and you and I have met Robbie Fox. He's actually really cool. It's like you want to almost not like him, but he's really cool. So I have respect for his hustle and who he is. But they bought in on Patty. They literally bought in on Patty and Molly Meeple. So it's a different space. But, yeah, I also don't like that.

And, you know, the kind of celebrating on this guy getting, you know, you know i mean look a guy that goes in the cage and gives his all and gets knocked cold yeah we may celebrate that here and have you seen the ship you know i never want to go to that next level of like you know clowning somebody for going in there and giving their all like are you kidding me i'll say this i don't i didn't agree with it but i will say that like that was them getting something of a taste of what it's like in bigger sports because we have this sort of treatment where mma fighters i mean listen they get savage don't get me don't get me wrong but not so much by the press relative to what nfl players get by the nfl press or what nba players get by the nba press i mean they get a lot more scrutiny but it's usually a little bit

softer how about the soccer harder i'm sorry? Soccer press is crazy too, right? Oh, they're insane. They'll call you a bum, disloyal piece of trash. I mean, they go crazy. But what I wanted to make was I didn't agree with it. I would never write a headline like that, but that's what it's like. I mean, they would do that if an NFL player went at them on Twitter and then got a quarterback and then got sacked and pulled out of the game they'd hammer them they'd hammer them so well

unless i see bar still showing up uh you know courtside like in acting as hard to shannon sharp i won't have respect for him okay sharp goes hard on shannon sharp's there to take all the receipts he's you know you want to cash him right now i'm here bro okay shannon sharp's like 155 years old and looks like he could bench press the earth. I mean, he's shocking. He brings a different flavor to this hot take business that we're in, Luke, where he'll actually show up at your game and be willing to tell you about it. Was he one of the greatest tight ends ever?

You know, Super Bowl winning player? Like, yeah, he's great. All right, let's go to uh bruno the hulk fajita luke heavyweight making his ufc debut not a heavyweight excuse me uh luke this ko won at robocop was like damn bro yeah this one surprised me too robocop i thought was winning this fight but this is what commonly what happens so i picked a robocop to win because what was happening before this happens a lot with him where he was getting touched up and he kind of switches stances a lot more than is advisable and he gets kind of like

he's a little bit loose with his positioning but he's clever too watch the finish one more time I want you to pay attention to something he uses the fake of the right hook right there to step closer and show it one more time if you can pay attention to the right foot of Fajita, right? Let's run it back. He's going to step, watch him step to the outside. So he's here.

He uses this hook to take a step forward and to the outside, which creates a direct lane for the left, right? Watch him dip, step and go. It's nice, nice, nice work from him.

You can't take it away. As you mentioned last week, he had looked good in that contender series. Dude, this was a night for everyone Brazilian to come out and make something happen, Luke. I mean, there was literally a Brazilian fighter in every fight, and two of the fights had country versus country there. You would have thought the Brazilians in attendance would have been happier, but I guess not.

Dude, we may have to reexamine our Hammer of the Month and add Bruno Fajardo to this too, Luke. Yeah, he's on that list. Well, do you take him off after this celebration dance, Luke? This is what I really want to know. Is it some kind of samba that I don't know? I don't know. I don't know, but it was a little surprising.

Is this a Fortnite dance I should know about? Hey, have your moment, Bruno. Okay? We're not supposed to talk about that. Hey, in fairness, that fucker came in on less than two weeks notice and put out Robocop with one punch. Yeah, he's the Hulk. He's the Hulk.

Indeed. Hey, Johnny Walker had a big win. Stopped Paul Craig. Craig. Excuse me. Paul Craig. And Luke. Can we stop that?

It's Craig. I mean, I'm sorry. It's our word, too. It's Craig. Yeah, you're right. It's our word, too. It's it's at a swing. You.

Yeah, you're right. That's our word. OK, you know, you know, people not stupid. This is you getting the argument exactly backwards. Do you know people here from America named that? Of course you don't, motherfucker. It's from Nigeria. That's the point.

It's like i know people i know people named grasso i can call her that all right no but see i don't once again not understand the argument i admit i got that one wrong that one's grasso i get that one wrong luke do you understand this argument johnny walker was so excited that he stopped paul craig and he showed us the full money anybody wants some can get some luke the whole team helped out i mean can he stop gyrating and cavorting like an Instagram thought on his way to the cage, please? I would really. I mean, dude.

Less. Johnny Walker, look at me. Less of your dick and balls would be great. Okay. What do you think about on Wednesday, February 8th, Luke, at king's place in london if when they announce me to come out for the live show that i got our cameraman holding holding me like this as i'm in a speedo with uh yeah it's gonna have to be the cameraman because it's not gonna be me okay okay luke there you go uh walker also celebrated with his worm dance he didn't do the full dive that hurt his shoulder last time and

dc still called him out anyway but uh you gotta be an athlete i was like you gotta be kidding me with this yeah that's uh if you act like that in public what is he like in the sheets luke that's the question right why don't you go why don't you go bang him and find out yeah hey speaking of johnny walker he's strong as shit luke why don't you why don't you comment on this 661-pound deadlift he pulled off? Did you see this? Let's see him. So it's not really a deadlift. It's a trap bar deadlift, which is not the same. Luke, I don't know a wrist lock from a wrist watch, all right? Let's see.

Does he set his lats? Sort of. Not really. Let's see. He's strong, but that's not a real... that doesn't really prove he can do 661 phil sims would kick your ass for how you talk bad about his pull-ups okay you can okay here's here's the luke thomas challenge please go find between now and wednesday show a deadlift expert who tells you i'm wrong that that's the same as deadlifting from a conventional bar that goes straight across

versus the handle position being this way from the side. It's actually more of a squat than it is a traditional deadlift because it's a hex bar. You don't know what you're talking about. B.C. If Ronnie Coleman says gloves are just fine with him, Luke, I'm not going to argue with the man. OK, 99 percent of the other industry will tell him, you know, he's not wrong, but it's needless. Luke, we mentioned it early wow what a moment there in the showbox main event a triple header from bethlehem pennsylvania

to kick off the 2023 season the show's been going every year since 2001 bringing in prospect versus prospect in this case unbeaten david ste Stevens against unbeaten Sean Hemphill. Luke, at the time that round eight, the final round kicked off, we didn't know who was ahead on the cards. This fight was in the balance, and Ronnie Shields coached David Stevens. 11-0 coming in from down the street in Redding, Pennsylvania, gave us a magical moment. Let's go back and relive it here.

Here's the audio. Getting asked to leave. My match will run. There's a big left-hander right behind it. Another combination. Down goes Hemphill. Three, four, five, six, seven. He's got time to finish him.

You want to continue? Walk this way. The third time, Hemp Hill's been down as a professional. He's in. He's going to let it go on. Hemp Hill is done. Not going to take much. That's it. That's it.

He got light. Oh. Dynamite. A physical dynamite in Bethlehem. Unbelievable. That's how you make your name known in a star-studded division at 168 pods. 22-year-old. That was magic.

Is that you talking over everyone there? Are you surprised? No. great uh loved loved my broadcast team as always uh steve farhood barry tompkins rel marquez you heard us on there but luke barry it was a great call it was a great call i'm teasing you i can't say this enough about my colleague he was my he was the first boxing announcer i ever knew in the 80s when i got into this sport barry tompkins back then working working for HBO, then ESPN. I mean, he's worked everywhere, Luke. He was the voice of boxing for me as a kid. You may remember, Luke, he was the voice of boxing in Rocky IV. He called Drago versus Balboa there. To be in the spot I'm in in my career now and be blessed to do this job and to have him sitting

next to me at 82 years old and you heard how good his fastball still is right there in the big moment man that's a that was a special time on friday night and it was you know it was a great fight and twitter was buzzing and it's just another great moment in showbox's 21 22 year history there but uh dude that that's a you know i texted you after that's a that's a different kind of drug being right in the midst of that you You know what I mean? Having a part in that. Two seconds left in the bout. Two. Two seconds.

Whew. Reminds you why you love the sport. It really does. It's one of those moments, right? Although I will say this about the referee. I appreciated that because you see this. I'm told that Muay Thai referees are actually very gifted at this. They're very gifted at catching the falling like KO'd or whatever fighter's head

before it can slam to the mat they can kind of catch their fall and he did that here which i thought was very impressive the one thing he didn't do bc which i was i didn't know the fight could have been stopped the first time i made it more dramatic in the end that he didn't and again he did catch the guy but like typically and i'm not a trained boxing referee but one thing i always always watch for them to do is they'll take the wrists of the boxer. They'll kind of shake him to see how sturdy the response is. And then a lot of times they'll back up and say, walk to me.

He didn't ask him to walk to him. And so Hemphill was still kind of lean and gangster lean. He made him take a step to the side instead. He made him take a step to the side. I know, but I mean, if you're bouncing against the ropes though, to me, it doesn't count. Like you got to be able to move off of him and he paid for it but i think that was referee awareness because you know you could have stopped after the first

knockdown and there were a lot of people that came out on twitter and said that was sean clark the referee from pennsylvania a lot of people came out and said you know oh we should have done this should have done that but if if even though the time shouldn't factor in, meaning when everyone remembers 1990, Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. against Meldrick Taylor, Taylor winning until the final 10 seconds. And Chavez knocks him down and he gets up and Richard Steele looks in his eyes and there's two seconds left on the clock, three seconds left, whatever it was. And Steele's like, no, I'm stopping the fight. You don't look right. And people are killing him going, man, you got to know the situation. You know, if that goes the distance, two more seconds, Taylor wins the fight.

And the true call should be that time shouldn't take part. The true call should be if you look at somebody and they're done. I do wonder if that was the ref, though, just going, okay, he looks good enough. Let's see if he can finish. There's two seconds left. And boy, he got caught with a whirlwind combination there. But the referee catching him, I mean, does that make up for it, Luke? He was a little liberal and let him go, but then he caught him.

Yeah, what I would say is, I don't know if it makes up for it, but it certainly shows that we have to be careful with our criticism of the referee. I think in general he did a fine job. I careful with our criticism of the referee i think in general he did a fine job i think the last part of the judgment was questionable but it shows you that he caught him but you know he wasn't if he had like just say keep going then just let him crash through the ropes or something that would have been bad but he was there he was on top of it questionable call but not a not a terrible one now the guy who won david stevens i had him ahead by a point entering the final round.

Most people, though, had Hemphill ahead. And so most people thought that was Stevens rallying from the brink to save the fight. Turns out he was up by three points on all three judges' scorecards. So it was like, I don't want to say the drama was unnecessary. You know, neither fighter knows in that moment what's going on. But they both put it in their hands and had a great round and a great finish to that fight damn damn you love that stuff so we'll see what david stevens can do he's only had 12 pro fights just 22 years old but that's a big uh knock on the door of the bigger names in the division down the road uh let's keep it going boxing this weekend uh we

didn't preview it luke we probably should have but liam beefy smith and chris Eubank Jr. had a crazy trash talk filled lead up to their fight. And surprisingly enough, Liam Smith, who we know he won a title at 154, but he's up at a bigger weight against a much bigger puncher. Dude, he sent Eubank to hell here in round four to take the upset KO victory. Are you moved at all, Luke? See, he made him walk to him,

although that wasn't much better. He falls over again, but does he count him here? No, he just waves it. Okay, yeah. I was surprised. I was surprised. I wasn't surprised Smith won, but I was surprised he stopped him in, what was it, four? Yeah, absolutely.

I couldn't believe that. Absolutely. And, you know, Liam had accused Chris Eubank Jr. of being gay leading up to it. And the press conference got a little messy there. And then, you know, Eubank came out with a gay pride armband on during the weigh-in, which was a nice nod back. And then he accused Liam Smith of cheating on his wife. Look, it got pretty gross, but everybody was cordial after him.

Again, this is what I mean. It's like everyone killing Jamal Hill. I'm not saying you shouldn't kill him, but it's like, you know, which one of these guys doesn't have retrograde ideas? I'm not saying you shouldn't kill him but it's like you know which one of these guys doesn't have retrograde ideas I'm still trying to figure that out and you know the experiment that's going on with Chris Eubank Jr. with Roy Jones Jr. as his trainer I don't know I didn't love it this time it's just like you know very few people can be Roy Jones because of how just incredibly blessed he was athletically and how hard he worked on his craft and he just

did things that you know you would never advise of a young boxer to do chances he took positions he put him in because it's roy jones and his quick twitch fiber was insane you know chris eubanks a good athlete and he can punch but he's not that he did need an overhaul yeah he did need a style overhaul but what he really needs is a pure boxing style. He got really far on just being a barbaric puncher, and this transition is just not working. I don't know. I don't know what he has left, Luke.

He's still young, but I don't know how. That's the other part, too. I'm not quite sure either. It's interesting. Hey, let's transition into when there's a pinata involved, and we laugh a lot in this segment. Usually, Luke, here we go. This is great.

Oh, right into the drink. Oh, right to the pills. And then he got to soak them there. And then there's that woman's ass who I definitely wasn't looking at. Dude, this lady went like full, you know, three, two count type of cut on that, Luke. She didn't have a blindfold either. Hey, why don't you go party in more indoor pools when it's bright and sunny outside you fuckos well that's florida living luke okay uh all right hey let's go to the karate uh karate show here

you like this luke when they break boards and shit no not really oh shit oh look at the guy in the background what is is he doing, Luke? He's doing kettlebell cleans. So those are kettlebell cleans. During the event? What is he praying for rain? So that was a snatch. He just did a snatch. Yeah, he's doing kettlebell snatches.

All right. I guess so. This looks like a high school talent show or something. Damn, that guy got served. Wow. Okay. There we go. Hey, combat sports stars have varying reactions to when you erect a statue of them, Luke.

Deontay Wilder visited his statue in Tuscaloosa. Is he still having sex with that statue? Yeah, he is. So he made out with it when they unveiled it, and he went back to get some inspiration. I mean, it's his statue. Luke, you can do whatever he wants to it, but he gets very intimate with it, you know?

You know, that's second base where I come from, Luke. I got to tell you, there's something going on here, deeply psychological, and I'm not sure I really understand what it is, but it's intense. It's intense just the same. That's right. Dude, that statue

meant everything to him i will say that let's go to mma gsp got one in his hometown of saint isidore quebec uh we've seen him there before luke but he went back recently to put that the other gsp and rnc that's a little different than what Deontay did, but it's still intimate, Luke. It's still pretty aggressive. Did he squeeze the nipples of this one? I bet you they were harder than a witch's tit, Luke.

For those who don't know, there was a while where everyone on Team Jackson's, including our own Rashad Evans, when Buffer would be calling their name, inviting out of Albuquerque, New Mexico, and George St. Pierre would do it too, they would tweak their nipples to turn the high beams on or whatever. Yeah. And it was fucking weird.

It was fucking weird. It is weird. Hey, good transition to more weirdness. BKFC had some gnarly press conference moments in the last week. This was the promotion announcing Knuckle Mania 3 that's coming in February, and Lorenzo Hunt and Mike Richman they had a moment here let's watch take that fake ass gold

off I can see the green on your skin right here take that fake ass gold off blah blah blah I don't know why you took this fight I don't know why they sanctioned this fight this is a terrible because they don't think you're shit I just wanted everybody to see

what Mike Ritzman is up against. We are two different, totally different people. Two different men, two different weight classes, two different monsters. He should have stayed. If you got, you can't be that stupid.

You can't be that stupid. You're stupid and shi- Oh boy, oh boy. Where's Dave Schaller when you need him. Luke, does that make you want to order the pay-per-view? No, can't say that it does. But I feel like this is what should happen by law at every BKFC presser. I think so. I don't know the gentleman. Mike Ruchman, by the way, former Marine.

Yes, not an ex one, that's for sure. Remember that dude, Clay Burns? He's a boxer. His nickname is Third Degree Burns. He wears Marines-colored, inspired boxing. He was on the show Box Undercard. Remember we saw that dude that time in Brooklyn? Oh, yes. Yes, I do, yes. That guy reps the Marines hard, boxing out. He was on the show Box Undercard. Remember we saw that dude that time in Brooklyn? Oh, yes.

Yes, I do, yes. That guy reps the Marines hard, Clay Burns. He does. He does. Luke, then Hector Lombard won on Friday or Saturday, whenever this fight card was in Florida. And some dude came out and pulled a pro wrestling run in. I don't even know this guy's name.

Maybe you can tell me. Let's watch this. And you see a clown jumps over the fence and, you know, attack you, what you gonna do? I'm pretty sure you're gonna do the same thing. You shot your fucking mouth. You shot your fucking mouth. Ah, fuck. Nobody don't want to hear you talk.

Ain't no fucking talking. You ain't no fucking talking. You ain't shit. Watch out. You ain't shit, bitch. Get this, brother. Bro, you see that? Ain't no fucking talking. Let's not say something. Ain't no talking. Let's not say something. Look, who was that? That was in Lorenzo Hunt, right? I don't know who that was.

I mean, I saw Luis Palomino putting the table back together. Shout out to Luis Palomino. And yeah, I mean, this just feels like... This promotion is the equivalent of the movie Roadhouse, Luke. Remember when Jeff Healy band was in there behind the fence? They should just make it like real pro wrestling. And what I mean by that is the fights are real or whatever, but then just sell it being like,

yo, this guy banged so-and-so's wife. That's really why they're angry at each other. Hey, let's go back to one championship luke they had a uh bantamweight muay thai title bout involving you know this guy nong oh yeah nongo is a is a is a horse man this guy is a fucking beast look what he did to aliverdi ramzan off yeah he uh he did terrible things to him four ounce muay thai in the it was this was in lampini stadium which is like you know a cathedral to the sport of muay thai that and the rajadamner and stadium and uh yeah he hurt him bad he hurt him real fucking bad dude he folded him up man

yeah non-no doesn't play he doesn't play yeah damn doesn't play. Yeah. Damn. All right. Hey, look, it's time to rate that tat. That always gets you fired up. Israel Adesanya has added both a neck and face tat to the collection. I got to get your thoughts here. So the neck tat I like a lot, actually. It's really well done. I do like the neck tat, but I'm not a big fan of

the face tats now I will say this if you're going to get them getting them on the curvature of the eyebrow is actually a fairly unique way to hide it Mike Perry has it also I guess he's got one on the right side of his eye now maybe i'm

misreading that um yeah i'm not i'm for the face i'm in and when it matches the facial structure and it's kind of on the perimeter of the face i don't mind that but when you start getting into like the center of the face that's when i don't really like it that's aggressive yeah it's very aggressive but he's about that life luke okay so. So the neck tat is sick. I like that. What if he got a circle around his right nipple? Would you like just to say, like, I'm in on the joke? Would you be into that? Nah, because then it's a little too like owning the joke too much at that point.

Luke, I've been told that we have Mr. He boss potential for the next one, but this will be up to you. You know, Amanda Serrano's brother in law-law slash trainer slash manager jordan maldonado he got a tattoo based on a kind of like a motivation bet that if amanda unified titles in her last fight he would get her on one arm and get both sisters and he's married to amanda's older sister on the other. Your thoughts? Well, it's fresh, so I see how it's purplish, so we need to see how it's going to heal. Don't love it. Parts of it are okay, but don't love it.

Could you go back to the other one here, Long Island Luke? Yeah, that one I really don't like. It's way too dark. I will just say this getting portrait work like that is you have to have a really really really really special person do that the correct way and uh i just don't feel like people pay top dollar for it like they should okay if i ever get you or not you you and i on me luke with the mk logo i want sean brady's guy so it's funny you mentioned that actually sean brady and i've been talking i think that guy's gonna end up doing my sleeve which arm my left arm that's why my right arm has like bits

and pieces and stuff and this one has nothing i'm left-handed i've actually been saving everything for a single sleeve um have you been inspired at all by our cameraman on morning combat tristan completing his sleeve on his left arm yes but he i don't know if he got his like it it runs the full length of his sleeve but i don't know if it's like a sleeve design it just is a bunch of designs that like ended up kind of becoming a sleeve the way he connected it was cool though there's a lot of spirit animals on that yeah i mean he put some thought into it don't misunderstand me he clearly put some thought into it but it's a little bit different also his is black and gray like no i'm not i'm not i'm gonna get japanese okay if you don't love

that last one you're bound to love this one do you remember former heavyweight boxing title challenger arthur spielka of poland he got knocked out by deontay wilder yeah um luke he went the full ass the full thing he did it luke okay i'll say this it's a really well done tattoo so really well done tattoo i just i gotta tell you like the marijuana leaf with the hannya mask with the raiden um it's a little much for me i'll just it's there's a lot about it that's much i mean that's that's creeping up the old uh you know i mean i'm not into that look it's not my it's just not my thing i mean it's not even that it's like the hannya mask uh like with the negative spacing of the marijuana leaf it's well done but it's like artistically who

the fuck would want that on their back um well even even the direction that you love which is this and then maybe not this tattoo but this style i like traditional japanese this is this is neo traditional shit i don't even mean the technique or the color of the patterns i mean just putting a scheme down your lower back and ass to me unless i'm a professional fighter where i'm always showing you know from my waist up bare back all the time then it's really part of your uniform and you can make it look badass. But if I'm me, Luke, average Joe, who's going to look at my ass? I'm not showing it off.

Why am I going to waste the pain, money, time to put in this, Luke? Is this guy playing on being naked a lot? So you could see the dead bodies of conquered other shoguns that you have ostensibly slayed. Well, I even have that question to ask about anybody you know. Put it back full screen. put it back full screen put it back full screen those are those are the it's an army of dead shoguns he's either leading or he's killed i think he's killed okay but seriously answer me this if i'm getting a tattoo it's for me because i want it to look cool i want other people to see it and when i

look at it i want to like you know whatever emotional connection i'm building there i want to feel it right but if i put something on my back and i don't regularly have my shirt off explain that luke explain why that's awesome because it more naturally fits the body in the way japanese suits will go either through the buttocks through the back of the thighs or all the way to the back of the ankle right that's the whole idea it's a it's a continuous scape and just stopping at the belt line is actually an arbitrary way to stop it actually flows much better with the body all the way through and you can scale the art through that in a much more dynamic way if robbie lawler attempted to finish off his lower back and he asked you to be the consult on that for advice would you would

you do it for free i tell him to go to zapatat and just just get it off i mean you don't need it anymore all right let's wind this thing down. We're giving them a lot of ourselves today, and I've enjoyed every single second of it. Let's go to this throwback. Rolling Stones on stage. Check out how Keith Richards reacts to this fan trying to pull a run-in on old Mick.

That just goes back to business like nothing happened i love that he held on to that guitar like it was the last needle of heroin that he was going to get that week yeah but look at his reaction he's not to kick not to push not to run he just takes people don't understand i i don't know i don't the kids today just don't appreciate this. Dude, I'm going to be very, very clear about this. We're now living in 2023 BC. Tell me if what I'm saying is in any way exaggerated. Comedians, late night hosts, you name it in the 90s. And I'm talking late 90s, early 90s. We're making fun of Keith Richards for being so strung out on drugs that he had no future.

And here this motherfucker is in 2023 still kick him i remember dennis larry's no cure for cancer when he went on that rant about keith richards said kids should not do drugs keith we can't do any more drugs because you already did them all you gotta wait till you die and smoke your ashes if only he hadn't stolen from bill hicks luke that i would be allowed to say that that's the greatest. I've never told you this. I've actually read two books on Bill Hicks and I have all of his albums. Oh, wow.

So he stole, so Dennis stole everything, right? Yeah, he did. Well, he stole no cure for cancer. I don't know.

But other stuff too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, let's go to the Swedish national hockey team. Here's how they warm up in the tunnel. Your thoughts.

Perfect transition. All right. That's a little much. That's not what we do for pre-MK. Alright, pre-game oil changes right here. Hey, let's go to the kid's birthday party. Check out

Spider-Man's asshole. Do I really want to? Oh out spider-man's asshole do i really want to oh spider-man's got itchy butt huh no he's got he's got the kid yo cochino wash your hands little one oh boy okay all right hey you love gender reveals more than anyone luke i got abudget gender reveal for you. Your thoughts on this one. This is going to be great. They should all be low-budget.

What the fuck? What do you think it's going to be, Luke? Blue or pink? I, oh. It's a boy. It's a boy, dude. Yeah. Oh, my God. oh it's a boy dude yeah oh my god all right hey time for mma fighters just send just shoot that family into the moon just let them live there uh i don't know if that was done in satire or or real i'm kind of scared

if it's if it is real let's go to mma in the Wild. Here's Cyril gone impersonating the 209. Not bad, right? Actually, this is pretty good. He's got that sort of loose mannerism. Yeah, that's pretty good. Let's go to the gym. Here's Islam Mahachev showing that there's more than one way to do

things, Luke, okay? You need to wear gloves to get fit? You can that well he's wearing actual mma gloves is that legal under your terms uh if he's doing it cross training yes floor presses his floor press looked terrible by the way uh two weeks ago luke ufc fight night in vegas did you hear that rant that abdul razak alhassan went on going after our guy new manza let's let's go back to that before buckley's last fight against chris curtis him and chris kind of made a an agreement that they wouldn't shoot for takedown so that's exactly what he did within his bitch ass for my power it's like i don't want this fucking guy doing that i'm gonna take him you you're a bitch buck go take him. Ew, you're a bitch, Buckley.

I hope you see this. You're a bitch. If I see you in the street and you talk shit, I swear to God, I will show you the fucking African way. I will smack the fuck out of you, I swear. I'll treat you like a, mm, you're a bitch. Sorry. Yes, I want to rematch with that fucking bitch. I think you're going to end that.

I'm sorry, I've ruined the game, Dad. It goes on and on in that same theme i'm told it's two minutes and 30 seconds uh luke that was very similar to that rant you heard that taxi driver do in the streets of dc that time no the streets of new york yes yes where i left the village idiot on 14th street and then the cab driver got in a fight with someone crossing the street and he told him don't f with me mother effer i'm third world and threatened to stab him dude al alhassan wanting to show him the african way by the way i read that new manza said on ig that he's going to cut down to welterweight good move i think it's a good idea or at least i'd be curious to see how it goes

because i think his frame is not ideal for uh 185 interesting uh here's sean strickland catching up with the detroit urban survival dude yeah but then they had the dust up afterwards no no no pun intended because this guy's called dust i don't know i don't know if it's uh i don't know if it's a bit but where Sean was kind of antagonizing him or actually the guy was like we could fight in the desert and I would win and Sean's like are you out of your fucking mind and he's right I would absolutely kill him

by the way getting an update on Twitter show us how much I know about Japanese I still have some work to do quote those aren't marijuana leaves but Japanese maple leaves which are in line obviously with the fuller design so there you go hey let's go to the living room here luke we haven't had any white people take really hard falls yet this week my favorite oh look at this hefty big call just oh god yo big bertha you gotta practice your break falls young lady

uh smoke a movie i just i just want to take a moment to just look at this it's like look you're Oh, God. Yo, Big Bertha, you got to practice your break falls, young lady. Smoke them if you got them. I just want to take a moment to just look at this. It's like, look, you're a big fat person, okay? Just acknowledge it. You're a big fat person. And not only that, you're like top heavy. You look like Danny DeVito in Batman 2. Get the fuck off the thing with wheels.

I mean, just stop. Just stop. What is she, some great big fat person? Yes. Dude, I like how she even had the chair to help her and was still like, nope. Yes, she's rather large, sir. Yes, indeed.

All right, smoke them if you got them time. Remember we called Gus Johnson vaping, Luke? Introducing you to Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel. Where was he this past weekend? Or they're already eliminated. It was last weekend. Oh, did you see that? Oh, dude, he might be puffing on that marijuana.

You think he's getting high as balls during that game? I hope. I hope. That would explain the offensive scheme, right? I don't even know. Well, I don't know. You think I watch American football, Luke? I watched five minutes of American football this weekend. I'm falling off the cliff. All I do is watch fights, Well, I don't know. You think I watch American football, Luke? I watched five minutes of American football this weekend.

I'm falling off the cliff. All I do is watch fights, Luke, and listen to 70s records. I know, I'm the same way. All right. Hey, great gift idea for Tukey, by the way. Your thoughts if Uncle Brother, I'm sorry, Uncle Gringo drops this off, Luke. My first vape. Dude, I told you, I haven't vaped in a while.

Aren't you proud of me man like i'm it's just a struggle dude i'm having a hard time with it but all right well the next time i see you luke i guess that's i guess the next time i see you might be london here's what i plan on doing to your hotel room because we got a lot of uk fans that are like uh i'm holding i'm packing heat. We're ready for you. Not that kind of heat. Holy Jesus. Holy Jesus. Is this heaven? That's a lot of product in there. That is a lot.

Is that heaven? It can't be because there's juggalos, but other than that, it looks like heaven. Look at all the clouds, Luke. Yeah, it looks very heavenly in there. Wow. BC, is this what it's like to walk into High Rollers BJJ? Very similar. Do you think you could actually stand up after like 10 minutes in there?

I hope not. All right. Hey, if we can't get that many product or friends, we can form a much smaller circle here. Let's check out these guys. Why? I would have so much more respect for death cults if this is the way they went, you know? Look at that guy.

He's getting hammered out. Yeah, that guy can't swim in these type of waters. Finally, even Granny is using Luke, of course, to help her glaucoma. can't that guy can't swim in the in these type of waters uh finally even grammy is granny is using luke of course to help her glaucoma granny getting high as oh whoa so sorry sorry first we got this lady i forgot i i read out a circle she looks like a nasa scientist apparently granny's going to be in next week's batch yeah luke this this spring breaker is uh wow yeah right she just looks like she's a you know

five beta kappa at uh carnegie melon and we got one more for you this is all the shit i got this week luke enjoy it one more for you you fucking dumb piece of shit fuck you all right that's uh that's fucking car By the way, BC, he's white. I can't believe it. Seems so out of character, you know? That's your feces from BC's for the week. Hey, we should remind folks, we didn't say the top of the show. Dan Hardy's joining us at our live show.

Yeah, this is big. February 8th. February 8th. It's going to be BC, LT, and DH. Dan Hardy's going to be their designated hitter. So come see us. Get your your tickets a proper outlaw yeah proper outlaw also bc we have to figure out our drinking plans because i know we're gonna have to but i don't know what we're gonna do yet so i don't think we can drink on state i don't know we got to talk to we got to talk no no no i don't mean so much there i just

mean like while we're in London kind of thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But look, there's going to be even more. Dan Hardy's just the beginning. We're going to release more names in the future. Yes, it's true. We're building this thing steady as she goes.

But we said it before. We'll say it once more. QR code in the bottom of the screen. Guys, the tickets are running low. Everyone's very happy right now. We have sold a lot of these, and that's because of you guys being so passionate. Whether you live down the road there in the King's Place, King's Court area of London, or whether you're like the Paquettes and you're like, Nova Scotia, goodbye.

We're coming. We're coming on, okay? Or you're, you know, Yuri Prochazka. I'm coming. I'm coming. Yeah, yeah. That was more Arnoldnold than yuri though uh david appleton's gonna be there all all all our people are gonna be there if you got a chance to do it folks i think you should okay big time fun interviews uh the mk fool you

know foolery and fun and games that you expect uh it's gonna be a fun 90 minutes of your life and you know maybe we'll all go out for a pint after, Luke, unless we find these people to be extra creepy and then we'll go hide in our hotel room like normal. No, they're just going to follow you home like the Pied Piper of fucking weirdos that you are. I'm going to go the other way. So it's going to be fun.

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This is the time to get on it where you can hear BC on show box. You can get military MMA and then regular Showtime championship boxing. So a lot of good stuff. BC, any final thoughts where we exit today's show? Yeah. Our new, our new GTA shirt,

MK GTA on our morning combat.store website. It's one of RJ's greatest. So check that out right now. You may find yourself wearing it pretty soon but no thanks to Long Island Luke Gaff Mikey Morms behind the scenes we love you guys and you know these people that watch us Luke it's you know sometimes you gotta pinch

yourself today was episode 400 we didn't have a big you know big bouquet of flowers for our fans we just gave it to them like they would expect normally only this time it was two and a half hours but I just want you folks to know like every, every milestone matters to us. This has been the craziest run. I hope it lasts, right?

I hope it lasts, Luke. But even if I hate you tomorrow, I've had fun. Same. But I am tired of doing this show for today, so let's call it one. All right. For Malka, for Showtime, for CBS Sports, that's Brian Campbell. Get your tickets February 8th. I'm Luke Thomas.

Until Wednesday, may all of your gains be loyal.