MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC 289 Recap | Nunes Retires | Oliveira Stops Dariush | Lopez Upsets Taylor | Ep. 452

Episode Date: June 12, 2023

On episode 452 of Morning Kombat Luke and Brian break down UFC 289. What does Amanda Nunes' retirement mean for the divisions she holds titles in? Where does Oliveira sit with a win over Dariush in the title picture? The guys also break down Teofimo Lopez Jr.'s win over Josh Taylor. What's next for Teofimo, Is he really retiring? As always we close out Monday's with Dm's from Donks and HYSTS. (5:30) - Nunes vs. Aldana (22:00) - Amanda Nunes Retires (38:20) - Charles Oliveira (54:00) - Rest of UFC 289 (68:15) - Teofimo Lopez Jr. (93:00) - Dm's from Donks Morning Kombat is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher and wherever else you listen to podcasts.     For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, Zoe. We're three seconds into the show, and it's just cat anus. Here, let's just have it. Let's just do it. Hey, everyone. It's a Monday edition. It's a do it hey everyone it's a monday edition it's a post ufc pay-per-view edition post ufc 289 morning combat hi one half of your hosting duo my name is luke thomas i join you from the capital of estados sonidos right here in washington dc joined by the king of cat buttholes himself brian campbell hi brian campbell hey luke hey how fun

first of all shout out to zo Zoe the cat here, Luke. You know she's a walking time bomb of injuries and stabbings and biting, but she's very beautiful and fluffy. She's Himalayan, Luke. You know what I'm saying? Which, you know, so was Tenzing Norgay, just so you know, Luke. Maybe she's sherpa-ing me through this podcast today. Cats aside, Luke, how fun was this weekend for combat?

It was pretty damn fun right what a weekend even the stuff we kind of panned a little bit with the climbing munguia sergey derivy and chenko fight ended up being pretty great in the end actually i agree i agree dude same thing with that uh of you know the gadi family's threatening to kill floyd we'll get to that later today too what a wild weekend i will say this i will say this bc the ufc 289 co-main was great and the 289 main event wasn't bad really by amanda's fault but i didn't get a lot from it right like we'll talk about here in just a second but how much did you enjoy the main event enjoy uh wouldn't say i've been missing it luke you know yeah yeah that's sort of what i mean all

right so we have a lot to get to plus teofimo lopez looking great and then retiring that's a lot of weirdness so he's back in a big way what the what a weekend right oh yeah we buried the shit out of him last week and then he came in there and looked great uh so we have a lot of look did you see that espn interview that came out after our show on friday that was just yes it was a disaster yeah disaster but you know hey on the night right as josh taylor said on the night teo the better man what a wild weekend luke all right let's do it i'm ready a lot to get to here so if you uh you're joining us here on youtube hey great thanks for joining us thumbs up on this and the whole nine yards.

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Hey, Chewy, let's bang. All right, without further ado, let's kick this off. Topic number one, we start with what you would understand, UFC 289's main event. I just asked BC if he enjoyed it. I didn't love it from that standpoint. From that standpoint, they left a lot to be desired. But of course, Amanda Nunes defends her bantamweight title in what looked like to me a very overmatched, certainly mentally, Irene Aldana. BC, I'll ask the question this way. What did the result say about both competitors? For Amanda, it turns out she was as great as we thought she was.

Whoa, that is that's a soul, brother. Wow. OK, sorry about that. Sorry about that. All right. We'll start all brother. Wow, okay. Sorry about that, Luke. Sorry about that. All right, we'll start all over. Here we go. Luke, it ultimately said that Amanda was as great as we thought she was. I think this double downs and supports the idea of what I was arguing with, that the first fight against Juliana Pena was an aberration.

She fixed that in the rematch. And, Luke, this was absolute domination. Separate from the retirement for a second. You saw after the fight when she brought in that decorated Brazilian grappler by her side to celebrate and said she had really put in the work. This is what Amanda Nunes has done throughout her career. Fill in the blanks. Round out the rough edges. Evolve her game to the full level.

She did what she wanted. Now the threat of Aldana's punching power even though aldana ultimately laid a massive egg in this fight it was still there after the first round when amanda got rocked but i really liked the way amanda navigated that eventually realizing aldana was just not going to throw back and she really stepped on the gas and took control mixed in the takedowns very effectively look this was a thorough performance across the board. But there's that other half of the equation, Luke. I hate to say this because I do have a lot of respect for Irina Aldana.

I have a ton of respect for the boom of Mexican MMA at the moment. But she didn't come to win. She was rattled. She had a moment in the first round, never could capitalize on it. This was about as, I mean, this is what Amanda does to be fair, right? Think the Megan Anderson fight. Anytime people can come in with confidence, a game plan, they feel her power. She shuts them down. The reason why this was so disappointing from Aldana, in my opinion, was over the five rounds, what did she show you? That all she, all that hype talk

she said about my number one aspect of strength of why I know I can beat this is because I'm Mexican. I have that heart. Luke, she does have that heart. She took incredible punishment and kept hanging in there, but she never put a foot on the gas. She never gave herself a chance to win. To see that break out over 25 full minutes when she's showing us she has the chin to take big shots and try to break down the machine

once again like Peña did against Nunes, the fact that Aldana could not, would not, I'm really not sure. It's incredibly disappointing. It does not take away, in my opinion, the Nunes victory. It does not take away from the grandeur of Nunes' retirement and celebration. But for Aldana, she's way than the the performance she indicated out there on saturday night and that was tough to see knowing the work she puts in and our expectations was that this was going to be a step up from the original scheduled trilogy bout against pena

in terms of danger didn't turn out that way in the end no it certainly didn't on the amanda side bc i really i think i agree with your analysis i don't really take much from her what does she do she shows up again with that one sort of slip up against uh Giuliana Pena in this most recent um grand run she's been on and it's hard to stay on top for any number of reasons in that particular case she had a misjudgment about what she was capable of through a certain series of obstacles decided she could overpower it in the end she fell short but then getting back and doing the kind of work that was required for a champion put her right back on top and and maintained her that way so she did the things that she was supposed to do that she is essentially in control of I would have liked to have seen her put away Aldana given her reserve she was but I get that if you already

know you might be retiring getting that W especially in a very dominant way is pretty important I mean this is not anything we've not ever seen before, but we should also make a point about Amanda Nunez here. Like she wins fights with her jujitsu at times. She's won fights with her wrestling. She's won fights with her striking dude. She won this fight before it even started on vibes. Like she had Aldana so intimidated. It made Aldana being who she normally even is very difficult.

And I ordinarily would point to like stats to say, for example, Alexander Volkanovsky, when he fights his opponents, one thing you often see show up in the stat line is that he suppresses their overall volume. Certainly that shows up in this contest, but it's, again, not taking away any credit from Amanda because she did the kind of thing she ordinarily does.

But Aldana's attempted volume was a third of what it normally is. And it was all because she was just... I mean, dude, she did the Joshua Clotty against Manny Pacquiao bit. Remember that? Where he just put up his hands and then sat behind this and then just basically didn't try to win at all while Pacquiao was sort of like teeing off as best he could. That's what it was.

It was Joshua Clotty versus Manny Pacquiao all over again. And I'm sorry to say, I agree with you. That's not the best case. That's not, that's really not a great showcase of who Aldana is. Okay, that's saying it nicely. Can we be blunt and fair, Luke? She laid a fat egg and if she doesn't bounce back from this and I'll give her the chance to, and I hope she does,

this is the kind of thing that's going to eat at her forever. I mean, what, who should feel worse, Luke, the performance of Cyril Ghosn against Jon Jones or Aldana against Nunes? I think I have to take the latter. She just didn't put herself in positions to try to win the fight. How do you do that after hurting Nunes in round one, after proving you can take her power? How do you just go into that shell? I'm not a fighter. I'm not criticizing her and saying you should have done this and that. I'm just saying I'm disappointed for her, knowing the pressure on her shoulders,

the momentum of her coming into this fight, the country behind her. This is going to be a tough pill to swallow. This is a, I mean, we should be honest about it, again, because that's the job here. It's not to be offensively critical. It's to be direct with the audience. This is one of the, if you put a list of the top five worst performances in a title fight,

certainly in the women's side of the game, this would be right up there with some of the worst ones I've ever seen. Now, there have been other cases where guys, to your point, Cyril Gunn got finished very quickly against Jon Jones, who was terribly overmatched. You go back to Nate Quarry getting kind of snuffed out by Rich Franklin. That was another sort of a performance where one guy was really well ahead of the other one. This was something like that. She survived because of the defensiveness.

But this is a, you know, if not the worst performance in women's history for a title fight in the conversation. I mean, it's really that bad. And, you know, she said something like afterwards, like, I figured out what the block is and it won't happen next time, which probably is true. I don't know that in any way I can dispute it. But if you're 35 years of age and you have a bit of a dud in a title fight, you're going to have to do a lot of work just to get back, and in all likelihood probably won't get back at all.

I mean, that's really the reality that she's facing. I wouldn't want to go down here and be seen real quickly. I wouldn't want to say, oh, it'll never happen, but like force to bet, gun to my head, my gun to my head would say that's that's going to be her last title shot we're going to talk about the future of these two women's divisions in the wake of amanda's retirement later in the show but what's going in aldona's favor is the fact that there's going to be a vacant title now for at 135 and this is still a very shallow division at this moment but yes you're going to have to.

She's not going to be fighting the number one contender next and be back in there. She's going to have to go back to the drawing board and earn it. At 35, it is asking a lot of her, but let's give her credit and see how she'll bounce back from this. But also, BC, just to go back to the part about Nunes here, I don't want it to escape. Don't you agree?

I mean, part of what is being a great champion is um being able to correct for mistakes is one having a high level of skill obviously is two being able to rally out of deficits is three but the challengers talk about this they talk about sometimes when you know getting announced in the main event makes them get a little bit rattled the first time that ever happens to them well the first time they're in a title fight or whatever there can be all the and then the aura of the opponent in front of you Amanda Nunes had that part right where people talk about you don't have to just beat that fighter you have to get over your own insecurities about whether or not you're ready for this moment and what that challenge represents Amanda Nunes is such a

establishment figure of power at women's bantamweight, obviously as the champion, but more than that, she was shook. I think it overwhelmed her. And to be a fighter like Nunez, who can do that to opponents, also speaks to sort of her legendary status at this point. And here's why I feel bad for her, Luke. Even if these sort of stereotypes aren't fair and shouldn't be still hung around, the Mexican combat sports stereotype is go out on your shield, right? Think of Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. Eat three to connect with one, right? Just constant pressure, risk it all. You know, she's the one who had touted that superpower being that Mexican strength. I know it's in there. We've seen that, that willingness. She just took a beating for 25 minutes without much in return. But I think for her own self-respect,

for her own reputation, she would have been better off listening to the corner and just letting the hands go and let what happens happens because at least she would know that she gave herself the best opportunity to win in the biggest moment of her career. That didn't happen. And that's why I feel bad, Luke. It's not that any of us are not immune to stage fright or performances going under because of ourselves. You've got to get out of your own way every single day in this world, right? I feel bad for her that in this moment she couldn't, even though the corner was really pressing on her to do exactly that.

I mean, here's the thing. I've been critical of corners in MMA where they're like, oh, they'll justify a lot of very questionable um situations in fights in service to this idea that it's a title fight this is your only chance you better go out and risk it like when both knees were blown from Tiago Santos against John Jones I often had to hear hey you gotta let it go man this might be his one and only time and I I'm a big I'm a, I question a lot of the wisdom of that because I think the reality is not only does it really make your chances

of winning in that fight not very great, but you're going to really affect someone's long-term quality of life and they're really not going to be able to rehab their career potentially on their age. So I'm not one of these people who's like, you should just do anything on the altar of it's a title fight and whatever. But here's the thing I don't get, BC. I don't even mind that she was really, really, really reserved for the first three rounds

or even two and a half rounds. You know, if you want to have a game plan of just kind of shell up, not take a lot of damage, get a ton of reads, and really kind of begin to just open up a little bit, but then step on the gas in the fourth and fifth, knowing you're going to get hit a little bit, hit a lot probably even, but that's going to be your best chance to surprise her, to blitz her, drain her a little bit,

and then put a push on the end because we know Amanda Nunez has probably not got the very best cardio in that division. Aldana has really, really good volume and really good ability to do that because you're going to get hit anyway. Because here's my point, BC, she kind of slowly opened up at the end and was still so kind of shook that she was kind of running into problems rather than setting up things more

naturally. It's not that I even mind that she was reserved in order to preserve herself, but even when there was a strategic opening very, very late, she still didn't take it and yet still ended up getting beaten up in the process like she got all of the worst of the outcomes with like none of the other redeeming parts that sometimes come with it it was just all bad in the end it really i'm sad to say it really blew up in her face yeah i mean look do we go back and be hypercritical of how she got here i i was hypercritical of her loss to holly home without which with how the ease in which she was controlled on the ground and i did get a lot of haters going man this guy bc won't stop simping nunas don't they realize aldona had a bad covid reaction ahead of that fight she had a foot injury that may have all been true luke true but against

the two most elite names she has faced now you know she didn't like and lay an egg against home on this level but she came up empty in a fight trajectory wise she probably should have won coming off of the ketlin vieta knockout do we look back on her resume and really see anything outside of that ko that i mentioned that tells us she could have done this against amanda were we asking too much of her were we lumping her into a group of Mexican MMA momentum that she wasn't necessarily served for? That's not fair, probably in the aftermath to add extra insult to injury here.

But this is a shallow division in this era. It wasn't always. Amanda cleaned out this division with one Hall of Famer after another that she finished. But right now, you can get to the top quickly without a monster swing of a of big wins against people was she of this ilk luke um if you if you lay an egg to the extent that she laid there's always a real question about whether or not that's true it's very hard for me to be like oh you know listen i was i think i think i got all of my picks wrong for okay bet i mean i'm truly no better than a colobus monkey flipping a coin at this point but neither here nor there I'm not upset that she got the title shot I'm not upset that they didn't have

a lot of great options in this division and that there may have been a somewhat overstated case for her but it wasn't egregious in my mind I think you could have done it and they did it and i didn't i didn't complain about that again they want this was supposed to be the pena trilogy i think most people were just glad to get something fresh to be honest with you so there's that part and also she does have the two wins the yana santos win of the ground and pound i believe that was a little bit early but nevertheless it was a it was a win and then the macy chaston fight bc remember she had that amazing uh back heel to the liver from her back um to the standing opponent and then she just kind of heel struck her then and then got up and did it so she looked like she was like i don't know doing interesting things maybe had leveled up was figuring out new attacks or just you know really in this zone offensively i

think you could have made that argument but then when you show up and you're have a you have a guard that is designed for close range contact to catch things on and you're far apart enough where they can't even kick you and so because your hands are locked you can't really faint all that well you do a little bit but not much and you do that for the majority of the fight you got to be fucking kidding me man like you're not you're just never gonna beat you're not gonna beat anybody good much less Amanda Nunes doing that you know what I mean look do you think Macy Chazon goes to sleep at night saying if only I was a Latino Luke would pronounce my last name correctly yes dude I really can't overstate it there is something I mean this will not come as a great surprise to the listeners and the viewers that there's

something wrong with my brain but there is a particular block with her name that for some reason i have such great difficulty putting that into the smoothed out brain that i now have at this point and locking it into the memory bank there is something going on there okay your brain's beautiful and and i look forward to to matching up with your brain the next two days by the way luke as we uh as we jump on all things spence crawford for the press tour it's going to be a fun couple days back in the studio but uh that's another topic for another day all right uh also just one last thing on amanda nunez a little bit of stance switching we saw there she played with it a little bit a lot of it working to great effect well i'll just say the one time where amanda nunez got tagged remember that first round

where she switched stance and then tried to go in at an angle and then got intercepted because she overcommitted on that spot, and Nunes got clipped for it. And I'm like, well, dude, that's more of that shit, man. But there just wasn't. The lack of a jab from the beginning, right? You talked it up correctly. You felt the first Peña Nunes fight was more than just an implosion.

You really talked up Pena's aggressive accurate pushing jab that that constantly gave Amanda issues and she didn't show great head movement that night if you're Aldana that's got to be without a question your default spam you got to be all over her with jabs to back her up she wasn't she pulled the Josh Claudy she tried to counter i get why right she has a beautiful counter left hook but you don't you know if if you don't use it luke you're probably gonna lose it all right quote the quote the bc never never more please never more all right with that in mind let's go to topic number two we stay with amanda nunez but we have to have

a different kind of conversation now that the the fight is over, subsequent to that, she announced her retirement from mixed martial arts, and you can understand why, of course. She retires as both the bantamweight belt holder and the featherweight belt holder. By the way, that featherweight division Dana White kind of indicated, didn't say it affirmatively in a, there's no way it doesn't get continued, but seemed to indicate it was not going to continue. But BC, the question for you is as follows now that it appears to be over we shall see what can we say about amanda nunez upon her retirement what what what are what is the truth of her story in her career uh sorry luke i

had my uh airpiece fall out there if you can you give me one second here luke i mean you know it's only live tv hold on sorry about that yeah fix that thing is your cat still beating your ass what's going on over there you know it's hot in here i've been trying to find the yeah all right back to this uh luke can you re can you reteam me up here sure very simple question now that amanda nunez has retired what what is the truth of her story in her career what can we say about her yeah um you know a giant i mean look at the end of the day Luke it's always going to be hard to a lot of times to compare accomplishments on the women's side to the men's side in certain points based

on different factors it's like you know when you look at women's boxing as well it's like you know who are the pound for pound greatest of all time like Layla Ali Katie Taylor, Clarissa Shields can you accurately compare who they are skills wise and what they've accomplished to Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali right insert Katie Taylor, Claressa Shields. Can you accurately compare who they are skills-wise and what they've accomplished to Sugar Ray Robinson,

Muhammad Ali, right? Insert the name. I don't know. I'm not sure. I think Amanda Nunes has busted through that ceiling if it's there in MMA. Look, I don't know moving forward how we are not. Every time we mention the upper table, the GOATs,

the John Joneses, GSPs, Anderson Silva, Fedor, right? Mighty Mouse, whoever you think belongs in that. Amanda Nunes belongs there as well. Why? Because her path of destruction that she laid behind throughout her career, separate from her personal arc, which I think Dana talked about correctly in saying what a beautiful person she is, how hard she's worked coming from nothing, moving to the United States from Brazil, Luke sleeping on the mats at MMA Masters, like, you know, dirt poor start. But look at where she is now financially together, beautiful family growing that she met in the UFC. That's all great.

But a lot of times when we compare greatness, it's, you know, who'd you fight and who'd you beat? Let's talk about who she fought and who she beat. I mean, look, the dominance she left behind against elite foes and former champions. Finishes of Ronda Rousey, Misha Tate, Holly Holm, Chris Cyborg. Victories twice over Jermaine Durandamy, former champion. Twice over Valentina Shevchenko, one of the greatest of all time. Redeemed herself in a GSP, Matt Serraway way dominantly against Juliana Pena. She's the greatest of all time on the female side.

And I don't even, I think there is levels to that. I know Scott Cogar always throws cyborg back in there. Cyborg's longevity across multiple organizations is incredible, but did even the great Chris cyborg face the same level of competition as Amanda Nunes? No, this is as great of a career as you

can have. You know there's so many ways you can lose in this game. You know how impossible it is to put together the runs that Silva, Mighty Mouse, and all the great champions have done. We're going to look back at Amanda's, you know, just five, ten years from now, and I think double, triple, quadruple what it says, what she accomplished. And that's not always the case. As great as Ronda Rousey's run was of beating, you know, big names one after another, 15 seconds, 12 seconds, 13 seconds, captivating America, becoming a legitimate pay-per-view brand. I think her resume to a large degree each day as this sport evolves, almost in a Hoist

Gracie type way, lessens. Not the impact, not the pioneer side of it, not all that, but who'd she be? How great was she really? I don't think that's going to follow Amanda Nunes because Luke, the constant evolution, the constant nose to the grind that she's put in. There was a time. Yes. We talked about her not having a gas tank against Katz and Gano. Oh, she fixed that, right? There was a time we said she's got big power, but is she a slick boxer? Okay, maybe not slick, but she can switch stances. She can figure it out. She's a black belt on the ground. She's using offensive wrestling. She's an absolute complete fighter and a monster in there and somebody who rises to the occasion in the big

moments and violently finished his competition. If she wasn't this great, would she have outpointed Valentina Shevchenko twice, including a five round chess match? No. Amanda Nunes was everything. And the idea that somebody is just going to come up behind her in three years and lap her resume and make us forget about her. Look, I can't see another female fighter for a long time coming in and tearing down this path of destruction that Amanda did with this level of longevity and this level of hall of fame names one after another on her resume. I think that, uh, we don't separate the men's and women's anymore. When we're talking about the goat table, it's John it's it's it's, you know, all your other

heroes, Anderson and GSP. It's also Amanda Nunes. And I really want to make sure people understand and believe that because what we saw over the last decade was really unreal. There's simply no doubt about it, BC. For me, man, I try to like think about like what role she played in the sport. Everything you're saying, I agree with. But what I would add on top for just for me or the way I sort of visualize it is, dude, Amandaunez was like this machete slicing through dense vegetation all at once right because you had she's the she's the first great women's fighter that the ufc produced now there's been other like very strong contenders for that but i mean like really truly great to your point on the level of those other names that you mentioned but i call her the machete because you had the ronda rousey experience coming out of Strikeforce and then ballooning in 2013, 2014, really,

and then beyond. And this is a time when, especially 2013, when Amanda Nunes is not even ranked inside the top 10. I went back and I looked. And remember, she didn't come out of Strikeforce. She lost her last fight in Strikeforce, then went 50-50 on a pair of bouts in Invicta. That was how she ended up in UFC.

So it wasn't like she was tearing down everything right at first. But once this grand establishment began to grow at 135 off a 1,000-day run as champion for Ronda Rousey, all of a sudden upset the apple cart by another known figure coming from boxing into MMA and Holly Holm by another figure who was a strike force darling who had then ended up as champion and Misha Tate where all these things had kind of happened Amanda Nunes came through and fucking laid waste to all of it set it on fire all at once went through and smashed all three of those women stopping all three of them all three of those women, stopping all three of them, all three of them in violent fashion, and then went up to 145 and decimated everything up there

with that machete, just hacking through everything all at once on this fucking path of destruction. Dude, she was terrifying. She was Godzilla in Tokyo about to breathe fire wherever she wanted, and God help you if you got in the way. And of course, against Peña, she tripped up because, as we mentioned, one of the hardest things to do is every time be ready. Every time have a target on your back. Every time have all of that tape study that your opponent can overcome. She couldn't have a perfect run in that sense. No run really is. GSP's had his faults, blah his faults blah blah blah we all know the story but bc for me um easily the greatest women's fighter of all time i went back and i looked at chris cyborg's resume here's what i'm gonna say amanda nunez has a better five like okay here's a real

great litmus test right and all respect to chris cyborg who's been doing this for so long but tell me her best five wins because i can tell you the best five wins from amanda nunez not only have chris cyborg on it but the other fucking names on there are enormous figures in that division and everywhere else mcgooey fujii can't say that a lot of women can't say that amanda nunez has the best resume has the best collection of wins, bar none of any women's fighter that's ever competed, and that's just the facts. And look, outside of the disputed second fight with Shevchenko, it's largely a path of extreme domination.

Like, that matters. That certainly matters. The evolution that we talk about, I mean, she was just not a complete fighter when she joined the UFC. But if we're talking about the pinnacle moment or what's the, when's the most I was impressed by her, it's the cyborg fight, Luke. I remember, you know, specifically being cage side for that and really wondering as great as Amanda was, what happens if she gets in a slug fest with cyborg? Can she carry the power up there? Can she take, you know, somebody who may be the only female

fighter ever who hit harder than her well i'm not sure about that last fact anymore because i was cage side for that she lured cyborg into a war which was really in hindsight incredibly intelligent knowing sort of this weakness of cyborg that once you hit her cleanly she's willing to sort of drop the guard and just go after it i don't remember look i've been cage side, you know, for some great ones, right? Maybe not some of like our other brethren who are there every weekend, no matter where the UFC is going, and they've seen it all. But that was one of the loudest, most insane pops from a crowd

I had ever heard when Amanda did that. And it's not because Amanda is the most popular fighter of all time. Insert Darren Revell comment, right? You know what I mean? It's because that was such an incredible accomplishment. And while I still feel like as fans, we were robbed at the idea of them doing a rematch with Cyborg exiting the UFC shortly after that,

and not on great terms and all that, but still, even with not doing a second fight, they fought head-to-head in Cyborg's division, and Amanda knocked her the hell out in an incredible fight. That to me will always be the mountaintop moment of this is somebody that's determined, but also smart.

You know, if it was just the power, Luke, if it was just the frightening power that she brought to the female side of this sport, she still wouldn't have had this level of longevity. She wouldn't have been able to beat all of these Swiss army knife she fought. Man, I mean, it's weird. I didn't even see it coming. Like we know at this age it's possible, but with Peña cage side, with Peña talking a lot this week about still getting that trilogy next, this one caught me off guard. And we're going to get into a little bit later and have you seen

the shit with some of the wholesome family moments we got in the cage afterwards. But altogether, Amanda had one of the best exits Saturday night in terms of great feelings, in terms of putting all the emotion down there, putting the belts and the gloves on the ground and yelling into the microphone, double champ forever. You couldn't help but stop and feel great for her because there's no holes in her resume. In my opinion, there's no asterisks. It's just greatness. But you see, I'm glad you brought up the Darren Revelle thing. And there was a lot of comments he made. He wrote, he had a back and forth with Dana White at certain times, and he even wrote columns or did podcast appearances, but it all starts from a certain tweet, December 29th of 2018. And here's what he wrote quote. And Darren Reve revel for folks who don't know has been kind of like he's a what is he now he does like gambling he does a business it's like the business side of sport yeah he's a sports business slash slash gambling expert i guess you can say right and

and often pilloried but okay here's what he wrote quote between rousey and cyborg amanda nunez has single-handedly killed the most valuable women in the sport, brutally damaging to UFC. Nunes isn't in the same marketing ballpark as either of those two. You know, I'm actually, like, glad we can reflect on this for a moment. You know, listen, here's the reality. I'm not saying that what he, it's not like everything that he's saying is true. There's a certain level of marketing appeal that Amanda does have that is valuable. But here's what he misses. Even if he's right about that, that it was damaging to lose

Ronda Rousey's marketing potential at its peak and then Cyborg, everything that had built up for her, even if he's right that he took all that and from home and from Tate and from everybody else. Dude, this is what I said on Saturday and I would love to get your take on this. Amanda Nunes was so great. She left the UFC no choice. No choice. Because if you are as talented as Amanda was and you were beating the names that she was beating,

and to your point, BC, beating them the way that she was beating them, she was owed a level of reverence that it doesn't necessarily matter that it was bad for business. Because if you just want to be taken even halfway seriously or understand what the talent in front of you is generational, you are required to give that the oxygen that it needs to breathe and see where it goes, even if it's not necessarily the best for your marketing business Nunes made them do that indeed indeed and it's it's those comments

look like you said were there some truth to what Ravel is saying yes people like Ronda you know and Cyborg to a smaller degree just have bigger brand, a bigger jump through the screen than Nunes. But that comment also in hindsight kind of reeks of like, oh, she's beating all the really good looking women. And, you know, this is not what the UFC wants. She's beating all these great fighters. No, she is the great fighter.

It turns out, okay, she is that. And, you know, is she a monster singular pay-per-view draw? Well, who is Luke in UFC history seriously who is who is that singular draw that it doesn't matter who they're fighting people will tune in and people will tune in in droves it's Ronda Rousey it's Conor McGregor it's Brock Lesnar it's at times for a beat for a stretch John Jones and GSP but it's nobody else after that to be able to be very fair with you. So that's always been an unfair comparison to begin with.

But yeah, that's just another hurdle she has had to clear. And Luke, it doesn't even get into the personal side and the ambassadorship of not only just being a great female fighter, but outspoken in the gay community and building a family within UFC grounds. I mean, this is in every aspect, an American dream story of somebody coming to the States with nothing and building them up and look at the life she has now. I don't agree a lot with what Dana says, particularly in the past year, Luke,

but everything he said post-fight about who Amanda is now and why he's not surprised that she would walk away on top. It rings true. She beat the game, and she beat the game dominantly and and is there a better resume you could have is there a better exit situation than going out on your terms and they're not saying but wait you didn't fight that person but wait you didn't do that she did it all luke the only person that's saying but wait is juliana pena and i think you know collectively even if silently we all agree that that's just, you know, because there's nobody else.

Danny Segura had an interesting tweet to your point, BC. He's got a gazillion retweets. He wrote, Amanda Nunes retires with money, health, legacy, and on top of the fight game. He writes, you're looking at a winner. Few leave with one or two of those things, and almost nobody leaves with all four. Again, money, health money health legacy and then of course status in the fight game at the time in which you retired i would quibble a little bit with that i think her legacy is great certainly on top of the fight game too laying down two belts

and being like you can fucking have them back you you you lames can't take it from me i'll just have to donate it to you like as a charity cause that's a beast and with money i think she probably made some good money i do think that her health was probably a little bit more compromised than we realized i just don't think you can fight until your 30s even at a high level even as successfully as she has without a few problems she kind of indicated that she had had some health issues that uh that folks around her uh it made them want her to retire years ago she just kind of kept fighting through it but i think the general spirit of what he is saying is true she retires if she doesn't come back we see she retires in a way that's like dude you want to look at what a successful mma career looks like they're

not going to come much better than this no they're just not going to come much better to close on this i love i love her own version of dunking in the post-price press conference where she's like, whoever wins this belt after me, it's a fake belt. Whoever beats that person for the belt after them, they've still got a fake belt. I mean, you know, you can argue with her, Luke? Can you argue with her? No, you just can't.

Not anytime soon. Not anytime soon. All right, BC, let's talk about what some folks are calling the real main event, although Benil Dariush hated that description of it. Nevertheless, the co-main event for UFC 289, where Charles Oliveira gets back to, I won't say rare form, BC, but I'll say top form, in having some struggles with Benil Dariush throughout the portion of that round, but in the end, getting a stoppage and doing it absolutely brutally. So BC, after stopping him in the first round there, here's my question for you. Should Charles Oliveira be next

for Islam Makachev? He should, he should Luke. I do think that the silo with the, with the BMF rematch is separate. Meaning if they needed to insert the winner of that into a Makachev fight for marketing purposes or no one else better at that moment, they could have. But how are you going to deny Charles Oliveira, Luke? The champion has a name and it's not Charles Oliveira at the moment, despite his very bombastic post-fight speech and jumping of the cage and running into the crowd. But that doesn't mean it can't be him again. I know he got dominated by Mahachev in ways that

we didn't see coming, but let's give this man some respect here. He mentioned throughout, that's not me. That's one bad night. I almost in hindsight support his want to not even watch that fight, not even allow those bad moments to come back up again. I didn't see struggle like you mentioned against Darius. I saw moments where he was okay with the fight going to the ground. And yes, Darius is competent enough as a grappler that there were some, he had to work for it. I mean, it wasn't easy, but the reason why I predicted him to win Luke was from the standpoint that he's better. He's better than Darius. And the motivation he had coming in to remind us of that, you could feel it. You couldn't deny it. Him against Mahach having a rematch. I love that Dana loved it so much that he basically said, I don't make fights

after, but yeah, let's not play games. This is the fight I want. I think it's the fight this division deserves, even with the one-sided nature of it, because what we are watching in this second half of Oliver's career, the all-time leader in submissions, all-time leader in finishes, and now, and now, three wins off of Jim Miller for the all-time leading winner in UFC history. Luke, there are going to be people that say, hey, BC, don't you jump on whenever a compiler takes over the lead, if it's Cerrone or if it's Arlovsky or if it's Jim Miller. And I know the word compiler in this case just screams disrespect, but it's not really what I'm trying to say. I am trying to swim through it.

If somebody like Charles Oliveira of championship pedigree ends up taking over that record, you know, that's a monster block on his Hall of Fame resume, in my opinion. He's already secured that. He's already in the afterlife from the standpoint of what he has already accomplished. But the key point of this Darius fight is he's not done, Luke. And I am not going to count him out. I know the odds already came out for the idea of a rematch against Islam. And, you know, Mahachev rightfully so after that performance is a solid, strong, almost overwhelming favorite. You cannot count this man out of it because nobody in this game has the combination of being that dangerous, but being that poised and comfortable

with courting danger, with forcing you to fight his fight, which is what he did against Darius right off the start, jumping, spinning. I mean, it was Charlie Oliveira's shit. It was fantastic, Luke. But he still got it, and he still got it in a massive way. I don't know, man. I did not expect to be coming out of this fight, even having predict Olivera to win that I would be this jazzed up for him getting a second chance at Mahachev. But I think it is the right fight right now in the division. It makes a lot of sense in Olivera's career arc. And I think we're going to see theater when they do it a second time. It has to be Charlie Olives. He, I, you know, I thought the way that Islam beat Oliveira was so thorough that I'll be like, dude, I mean, yeah, beating Benil Dariush would be tough, but, you know, maybe he could do it in a way that would get, you know, that would make me believe hard to do. Yeah, no, not that hard. Not that hard in the end. He did it in less than a round, it turned out.

And when I say difficulty, I don't mean like he was getting his ass beat or something, but he failed on a takedown. He settled for full, and then he tries to go for like this reap off of this deep half grip, and then he was trying to do backside 50-50. And all of it was getting shut down by Darius. I know it kind of looked like, you know,

the thing is, sometimes Oliveira doesn't get that close with these leg entanglements, but he ends up just making guys defend it all the time like whack-a-mole. And so he's got them in this process that just goes on and on and on. But the reason I said that is because Darius actually did a really good job systemically shutting it down. Okay, but neither here nor there, because this is the point about Charles Oliveira. I was like, dude, obviously he looked ready to go. But one thing, you mentioned the jumping stuff. Actually, he cut that out.

He didn't do the run, jumping, spinning, a run, jumping, switch knee that he always does. He kept his feet on the canvas. It wasn't as wild, Luke. But he set a tone, is what I was trying to say in the first minute, that like, I'm coming after you. This wasn't counter-punching Charles Olivera. Yes. He had the exact same intensity, just a smarter application. Sure. That's what I'm coming after you. This wasn't counter-punching Charles Oliver. Yes, he had the exact same intensity, just a smarter application.

That's what I'm saying. You saw the exact same Charles Oliver just not doing the dumb shit that got him in trouble in previous fights. So he ironed out some of that stuff. And then when things didn't go well, he's just, dude, he is constantly attacking. Oh my God, you have to solve so many defensive problems

before you can even even get your offense going how about this underneath after he kind of he failed in a takedown he settles for go underneath okay that one didn't go his way he starts working his guard the leg entanglements don't go his way and he goes back to full and then he's still kind of winning the striking battle underneath i didn't really notice it in real time because i was paying attention to some other stuff but like in even under uh on bottom position he's still doing all of this stuff better than dariush can get through and dariush has by the way some pretty good ground at bound on top of it and then on top and then when they get back to standing bc the head kick plus the two right hands that followed up forcing him at an angle. Dude, he can take a fight that goes from a

defensive lull to you're in trouble in an instant, in an instant. He can make the fight go from safe to your drowning before you can even finish blinking your eyes. That is what makes Charles Oliveira so special. I said this on Saturday Night BC, and I bet you agree, which is maybe we kind of thought a little bit, at least I did, after he lost to Makhachev. I thought Makhachev may have written the blueprint on him because it was so bad. Yeah, good luck following that blueprint because if Benil Darius can't do it, not many guys can.

But here's the thing. Here's where a big reason why I like this rematch so much is because it's going to challenge Charles to show us how great he really, really, really is. What I mean by that is he tried the same strategy that had had success against all that straight run of elite brawlers, of the Poiriers, of the Gaichis, of Kevin Lee before that, of anyone he was able to lure into his type of fight. Makhachev just doesn't play those games, right? Oliveira found that out the hard way, but now coming back, refining his game to your

point, just enough to not be reckless against Darius, but to still be constantly a problem. I want to see what type of game plan he can concoct this time around for Mahachev. What parts of his greatness can he bring out of it that he didn't think he needed to use that now he realizes against somebody that poised, that defensively sound, that rock solid who has better striking than we realized and obviously has a lights out ground game either wrestling wise or now submission wise we saw. I want to see. I want to see what he can really do because the stats have piled up around him as we mentioned where you just can't deny Oliver anymore whether we're talking about the the debate of who the greatest lightweight

is of all time okay still habib but oliver is certainly right there but i think oliver has a chance to really put himself high up there you know in the all-time list and and i don't mean necessarily like upper table but he has it he is still operating at a level right now that it is not impossible that he ends up with the championship again. Not betting-wise, there's reasons for it not to be a pick-em for sure. But dude, we are going to have to ask a lot of him in this Mahatchev rematch. And I want to see if he can answer that bell. Because his mental toughness, which you need to get to this level.

But the mental toughness to reinvent himself, to come back, to go on the run he had, have an end, and then come back like he did against Darius. This guy's next level, extra special. And damn, again, I'll say it, I'm surprised I am this jazzed up for a fight that was so one-sided just one fight ago,

but it's the fight to make, and I can't wait to see it. Stay with the blonde hair, Charlie, okay? You're a, I mean, Luke, you know what vibes he has? He has those vibes where, you know, you go home for the weekend at college thinking everything's okay and your girlfriend ends up in his bunk bed.

Those are the vibes he has right now that he brings to the cage and I love it. I can smell that a mile away. I just love it. You love being the cuck? Is that what you said? No, no, I know. I just love that spirit.

I mean, he walks into the party with his pants already off, Luke, okay? That's the spirit he brings to this show all right yeah yeah he certainly does uh yeah he I I it's funny given how close the fight with Makachev and Volkanovsky was I know a lot of folks might say that especially because Volkanovsky excuse me because Makachev versus Oliveira was not that competitive the first time but I have a very different feeling about it which isn't to say I don't think Volkanovski could get it done with a second attempt. He was pretty close the first time. I think he probably could, but this one made me reimagine what Mokachev versus Olivera could look like. And again, you might still favor to your point,

Mokachev, no matter what, but this Olivera sharpening up, he's dude, he just constantly take, he, he's not really at the point where he's adding much anymore bc have you noticed that like he's not he's added so much already to his game it's really not about that now it's about subtracting some of these things right that's when you really know you're at the level of refinement because he can do it all the question is let's get you to make some slightly better decisions on some other places and see what that does for you. Holy fucking shit.

It does a lot, man. Because you don't have to teach him new things. You don't have to get him ready for all that other stuff. You just have to make him make some better choices and some better circumstances.

So the fact that you can now reimagine what Makachev-Olivera looks like to me I think is extremely exciting. And also, let's just talk about the, you know, get down to brass tacks here a little bit. I don't even know if McGregor or Chandler

are going to fight. And obviously if McGregor wins via spectacular KO, you would imagine he's going to move to the front of the line very easily, harder to say with Chandler, but not out of the realm of possibility. And I know next month we have Dustin and Justin too, and all respect to both of those guys great fight love it not going to shit talk it even for a little bit but the reality is Oliveira beat by finish both of those gentlemen yes the only acceptable choice is Charles Oliveira next yeah I want to ask you one key question because I mentioned that I in hindsight I kind of like that he's like forget that much I'm not watching it did you you like, though, the post-fight

interview where even when DC teed up, hey, Mahachev just tweeted about you and said, you know, there's levels to this game. Charlie still acted like, I don't even hear that. I'm still the champion. Hey, crowd, who's the champion? He was teasing the line of going too far with it right there.

Did you agree with that? I'm not sure that I really paid too much attention to that. I will say this. That was, he was trying to speak English. So shouts to him for trying to do that. I know that's not easy. So I appreciated that. You know, I think he was really happy to be back.

And sometimes you, you know, Anthony, it reminds me Anthony Joshua after the second Usyk fight. Now he had lost. So that's different. He just boxed 12 rounds. That's also different. But you know, he just me Anthony Joshua after the second Usyk fight now he had lost so that's different he just boxed 12 rounds that's also different but you know he just said some weird shit this was like the happy version of that yeah you know what I'm saying yeah it's sort of like no guys that fight never happened but it never happened right but here's what I'll say here's what I'll say BC it's not just like we're making a case for him based on him beating

a very good opponent I know he didn't show up on that way on Saturday night in the way that he would have hoped in the longer sense, but Jesus Christ, guys, Benil Dariush is a very skilled, very good opponent. But the thing that stood out to me, BC, is Charlie Olives, you knew this already, but we were questioning where it could go after the Makachev defeat. He has really turned himself into a fan favorite. The Canadians were going crazy for him in Vancouver.

I know the fans at home care more about that fight than some of the other ones, including the main event. I really think, yes, he's got a case because of what he's done. He's also got a case because you're not making a big tradeoff. I don't think Conor McGregor, notwithstanding, you're not making a big tradeoff in pay-per-view possibilities with that. I actually think you could do really good business with Charlie Oliveira. Absolutely. And, you know, what else would you want if you're a fan? An exciting finisher who's also, you know, elite in terms of his skill set across the board,

but brings the fight constantly, Luke. You know, Charles, to be fair, he'd do Bronx better than a horny Jeter after the postgame with gift bags. You know what I mean? He didn't do the Joe Namathath i just want to kiss you i just want to kiss you yeah yeah yeah yeah joe you had a few there buddy huh you've been that was pre-twitch imagine that moment in the twitter era luke that moment i mean i was i called everybody i knew after watching that live you know what i mean i had i had to put the bong down for a second and pick up the landline and be like, guys, did you just see what I did or am I really high right now?

You know what I mean? Wow. They made a website after that. Remember that? Kissing Susie Colbert? Yeah. Colbert, whatever. How did she pronounce her last name?

Yeah, Colbert. And I was like, you guys are making a website based off of sexual harassment that happened on camera. I know. Dude, I know. So that was probably like 2001 ish and we just instantly just put the sexual harassment side away and was like man drunk name with rules right yeah no yeah turns out no it turns out no but all right yeah uh okay bc any other final thoughts on

charlie olives and menil dairy by the way for dariush i think what are you 35 years of age in all likelihood, I'm not going to get back here. I think he's still got some good wins left in him. Oh, one thing I did want to say, dude, both of those guys looked bad at the weigh-ins. We didn't talk about that because we didn't get a chance to see it. Both of them looked really bad. Now, here's what I'm going to say.

Oliveira was like smacking his mouth, trying to smile, and that was like because he had cotton mouth so bad, which was terrible to see there was video or a photo anyway of of did you sort of pointing out his wedding ring in the space between his finger and the top of the ring i'm not gonna say that it's a factor in the way that like i'm trying to undercut all olivera's win because my argument's gonna be it looked like both of them were severely drained from the weight cut so it's a wash in the end but here's what i do wonder do we think that dariusha's chin is affected by that weight cut like in a real way it could be could be he also got hit pretty pretty flush luke with uh charles olivera shots but i mean you know yeah I mean the dude weight weight cutting is so god it's so freaking brutal barbaric and gnarly and and unsafe and unhealthy and I know everybody does it my neighbor great high school wrestler doesn't like crap I mean it's just part of the

fabric of these combat sports but damn is it not safe not smart not built in for a long longevity in this game or even on this earth to make such extreme cuts. Yeah, it had to affect him to some degree, but I don't think that's the reason he lost, Luke. He lost because the champion has a name, to be fair. You know what I mean? Champion does have a name. Yeah, it's Islam Machef.

Yeah, all right. That's why. It's Reggie Jackson. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. All right. Let's go to topic number four here bc the ufc 280 car 289 car excuse me it of course did have some other fights um you know i'm not gonna sit here and say that the fights were of poor quality i don't think that's quite true uh

and the canadians seem to be quite happy with it but you know there wasn't a lot on there that i loved what did what else stood out to you look there there were two things that were like i mean you ever go over somebody's house to eat and you can tell that they know how to cook but they've got one ingredient that's way too prevalent like overwhelming garlic or something you're just like man this would have been good in front instead for that i'm guessing as a white person that that ingredient for you is salt. In this case, Luke, it was a little bit too much Canada and a lot too much full set on this card, right? A lot of Canada is a wonderful place with wonderful people. Let's be very honest.

But it was a lot of Canada up in my face. I mean, it's no different than Patty and Molly running circles around the London cage. I get it. People are allowed to have their moment. If we ever do a pay-per-view in Connecticut, Luke, I'll be there on the front row, like with my, you know, CT with the CT shirt on. But shout out to Mike Malott. Shout out to the crowd that almost killed themselves reaching out for him.

We'll get to that later. He is somebody to watch. He's aggressive. He's fun. But, but you know i get it you guys have free health care you're really happy but you know luke i mean am i just being a jerk american who was up too late on saturday i don't know maybe i am no it's like if america was uh a woman at mardi gras it's like great you have flashed your breasts already we don't need like you can find that you keep doing it but we've already seen them thank you no seriously nice way look I want to ask you I I'm sure you covered this in some form in the post fight show your extra credit but should

we really be dialing into Mike Milata as a future breakout performer or just a potential ticket mover for Canada? I actually think that there's some upside there. I do. His opponent was like a 34-year-old fighter with a 9-2, 9-3 record. Not that it was like a poor one, but this was not exactly like, hey, he's beating the very best of his

division at the moment. Fog it, right? I know he's had to deal with that all his life. I don't want to add to it. Because I grew up in the 80s with everyone asking me or telling me they were my father. Luke, I am your father. All right. But to answer the question about Mike Millat, I think there's some potential there.

He's worth taking seriously. He's a good athlete. The Canadians love him, obviously, being a Canadian. He does have some good skill. Everything he does is physical. That guillotine was really nice that he finished it off with a good presence of mind. You know, there's a lot there that actually could be something. Now you're asking me how far can he go?

I don't know, but I don't think it's fair to be like, do I get like sage Northcutt vibes from him? No, not at all. He looks to me like much more of a genuine article to the point where it's actually worth pursuing to see what there really is there. Cause it could be something we shall see all right i gotta shout out dan eagay here luke because when he lost three in a row when he lost four or five against very good competition but you know i was very critical of i was critical of him ahead of this matchup but he did come off a

resounding ko of jackson last time out that would go against my idea that maybe he doesn't have the top end power to be able to you know do, do this against the elites. But I will say this, he turned in yet another very good performance. He's only 31. And yes, it was his power that ultimately won him this fight, the clean, hard punching that always stopped a game Nate the Train from trying to build up momentum and trying to lead anywhere. In Luke I do think it was a mistake for Lanwear who told Ige at the press conference yeah I'll shoot first I'll take you to the ground and submit you I do think it was a mistake for him to avoid bringing the fight to the ground so willingly and trying to trade throughout but damn credit Ige he stood in there against a red hot opponent one who is not easy to beat because he's so hard to finish and while he

didn't finish him luke he disciplined him he beat him up danny gay's coming on and and i was overly critical to the to mr 50k there but uh i'll happily eat some crow here luke he is dangerous he is a he's he's moving product right now he's coming on i'm happy to see it um sometimes luke sometimes somebody goes through a losing streak and you sort of go, man, I want this guy to be something. But he's fallen short at a few different turns. What he's been able to do, him and his team, after that losing streak and turn it around.

And yeah, big sexy there, Eric Nixick, part of that team. Happy to see it for those guys, Luke. I was waiting for Nixick to text me after and be like, dude, you were wrong. I was, coach. I was wrong, all right? Yeah, fair enough. Speaking of being wrong, how about that fight between Miranda Maverick

and is it, dude, is it Jasmine Jasudavisius or Jazdavisius? Jazdavisius, yes. Jazdavisius. That fight was actually fun. I've got to say, I had been high on Miranda Maverick coming into the UFC. And again, we talked about this on Friday.

She had the loss to Erin Blanchfield, which is like, okay, Blanchfield is a hammer, right? That's no big deal. We talked about this on Friday. She had the loss to Erin Blanchfield. Which is like. Okay. Blanchfield is a hammer. That's no big deal. She's only 25 years old. And then the loss she had to Macy Barber. Was very controversial. She moves out to Colorado.

To go to Elevation Fight Team. I had. Still had some high hopes. But I don't know man. Like this one. Made me rethink some of those things. Which is again. I want to be clear. 25 years old.

I'm not in any way declaring that. Oh. There's no chance of her becoming something great. There's still actually quite a bit of a good chance but for the time being it looks to me there's still some some development issues that have to happen she had trouble making uh her entries from range were just not really getting the job done her coach is telling her not to wrestle she continued to but the real story to me is jazz davisius leveled exactly fucking big time here she looked ready for this challenge well studied for this particular opponent nothing surprised her she had answers and aggression for

everything breakout performance in my mind for her this shows the growth luke i've watched her career i actually watched that episode she was on the dana white contender series and it looked like okay we may have something here and i'll dead wrong myself not out of montreal luke fighting out of ontario so correct me ahead of time on that. But I will say, she hadn't fought this complete of a performance before. This is a big leap, her and her team. And it was the straight hard punching that essentially kept Maverick from ever gaining momentum control, trying to take the lead and establish it. And, but the fact that Jasmine dominated her on the ground, each time Maverick tried to shoot,

whether that was to change the momentum or to just avoid getting beat up, right? Jazz Divisious just shut her down. The takedown defense, the sprawling, but the ability to turn that into offense and top position. She's coming on Luke and she's not young. I think she's like 34,

but she's big for this division. If she can keep working that jab and, and you know, none of her punches are looping. It's straight to the point, stiff, hard punches. This could be interesting moving forward. This was a really good win for a fighter that works really hard, but hadn't really shown any plus parts to her game, in my opinion, after the contender series. You know, struggled a bit at times won a couple

fights she looked like she's putting it together now and it's good to see yeah i really i thought what she had turned it was very impressive and to the point you raised jazz davisius 34 merinda maverick 25 so there's a big gap in terms of well not so much in terms of mma experience but uh she's a more developed person in general maybe developed athlete as well at. At 25, I think Maverick still looks like she's trying to figure some things out, so let's give her some space to do that. But there was that. Quickly, on the Chris Curtis-Nasurdin-Imovov fight,

it gets stopped. This time, the referee, Jason Herzog, sees it, so it ends up being a no contest, so it doesn't cost Curtis the win, but both of these guys don't get their win bonus as a consequence, so they ended up getting paid like they had lost I suppose it's the right outcome BC but it is amazing to me that

there's like this online chatter that like oh in fact Curtis quite easily could have continued he just should have lied about not being able to see and it's like I get that fighters sometimes do that or in fact many cases they often do that they often do that. Or in fact, many cases, they often do that. They often do that to their fucking detriment and end up getting their ass kicked for it. Like the times where everyone's like, pretend you can't see or pretend you can't see, just lie, get through it, and then just try harder. Bitch, you're going to get fucking hurt doing shit like that.

So I really don't understand the argument about like Curtis looking for a way out. He's never done's never done that dude he was not looking for a way out he was almost crying trying to argue with the referee to keep the fight going or to give him more time all that rubbing his eyes on the referee herzog shirt i mean no it wasn't that but you know it's like what what do we want out of these fighters we rightfully criticize the shit out of tj dillashaw for coming in as as broken goods and figuring this might be my last title shot i'll just wing it no you you robbed from yourself and unfortunately you robbed a big win from from sterling in that regard

i'd rather see this luke i mean look i get that you know if you're game and you want to play the company man role and you want to always be opportunistic we talk about this a lot right everybody everybody wants to prove that they're tough and they're chris lieben and cowboy serrani and they can fight two weeks after they were just in a war to fill in but that always catches up with you i mean look i think it caught up with tony ferguson in a huge way how quickly he tried to come around from that injury that pulled him out of the habib title fight the the fourth or fifth time or whatever that was like there's a price to pay for doing that um I think this played out the way it should have it's certainly bad luck twice in a row for Curtis but he shouldn't have to go through the rest of the fight like that in a situation where it's not his fault you know I mean yeah yeah I know people

said well don't tell the referee that you can't see but sometimes they do that on instinct um I agree that they shouldn't i will say this for fighters they should have the presence of mind to know that even if it's accidental or you think it's not a big deal to tell the referee that you can't see once you do tell the referee you can't see or you're actually using his shirt to wipe your eye you know they're getting them to come back from that to not stop the fight will be difficult right just as human beings if they see you using your literal clothing and saying i can't see i think he was doing that in his mind to buy time that's what he was trying to do but

also he did note on twitter like you can have this clash of heads or an inadvertent headbutt and there could be different timing for whether or not you get five minutes or not in this particular case he did not get five minutes so yeah well you know i mean what did terry silver uh teach us in kk3 luke you know author of the quick silver method man can't see he can't fight okay i mean what do you what do you want from this guy luke he didn't poke himself in the eye if If he's just being honest, even if he's scared, if he's scared, I mean, wouldn't you be scared, Luke, if the referee's saying, you're ready to go back out there and you can't see out of one eye?

You can't see for shit, yes. He's supposed to just lie and fight with one, like you're Joe Frazier or something? No, no. Or Michael Bisping, Luke? You could do it if you're like, oh, I'm good at takedowns and this guy sucks at them and I can rely on that way to win but you can't rely on that way to win against Imavo if you got

to stand up with that guy for the most part probably or deal with his takedowns which you saw a little bit in that round as well yeah dude if you can't see you should not fucking fight like people being like Chris Curtis quit out there Chris Curtis will box your fucking ears off, bitch. Yeah, Chris Curtis will kick your ass, bitch. Luke, I got to say one thing. You know, I'm an up-and-coming combat sports fight announcer, as you are. So, you know, I tend to nitpick. I'm mostly a failed version of one, but you're still up-and-coming. Yeah, I mean, I'm on the sport line, the same thing, Luke, but I'm trying hard, right?

But the whole point is this. You know, we all have our favorites, and I've talked up a lot that I really think Dom Cruz has become. Although he's not everybody's taste, he's become my choice for that third seed of the X-Fighter spot. I think it should be John Anik in the one spot. I think DC over Rogan for my personal entertainment in that second spot. But I've always been big on Dom Cruz. But I got to say, Paul Felder called a hell of a pay-per-view card on Saturday. And I've always liked him and I've never disliked him as an announcer.

But I think Saturday I really took notice, paid attention closely, and felt like he complimented the other two beautifully. His explanations in a simple way for casual fans on the air is very refreshing. But at the same time, he can do the deep dive breakdown of what's going on. I think he is really starting to elevate himself, Luke, that he may be passing Dom Cruz soon on my own personal choice. If they ended up going, this is the A-team, DC, Anik, and Felder. And obviously, Rogan's still there and still adds a lot, but I wouldn't be against that. Shout out to Paul Felder for making waves in this. It's not an easy job, Luke, not an easy job to do. And they only

call about 19 fights a night, you know what I'm saying? And he's not an easy job, Luke. Not an easy job to do. And, you know, they only call about 19 fights a night. You know what I'm saying? And he's doing a great job. So I wanted to shout that out. Yeah, Paul Felder did great. I thought there was hardly any complaints I heard about him on social media. I think most folks really liked the call. I would actually argue that, like, if you go back and you watch

some of the UFC's smaller-tier shows where you end up getting Brendan Fitzgerald, Paul Felder, and Laura Sanko, typically, for example, you might – I think Dan Hy does some of those calls. I can't remember. But in general, when you get the Felder-Sanko combination, that's the best combo, I think, to learn something new. For me, it is, certainly. When I listen, when those two are together, it doesn't say I couldn't learn something

from DC or from Dom. You can. But I'm saying for a full broadcast, Felder and Sanko together, that's the one where you need to get the notepad out, where you can learn a whole lot of new stuff. And look, I don't have a problem with Rogan. He's still classic. It still means a lot when he's there. I just think him and DC together bring out the worst in each other.

So I think if you have that straight man or woman in the third spot, and in this case it was Felder, who also can be humorous as well and be cheeky and funny I think it worked out great I like it I like it yeah keep it going and I like Brendan Fitzgerald too Luke not he's a he's a solid solid Brendan Fitzgerald is like criminally underrated yes how good he is he is very very he has a very bright future in MMA or other places so he's really good I like him a lot all right uh with that BC, BC, let's turn our attention, if we can. I want to remind folks one more time,

we did talk about the entire prelim card on extra credit that's already up. I recorded that bitch at three in the morning, so go watch that. Have a gander at it. We're going to bring that back, certainly for pay-per-view nights and some other big ones as well.

I'm going to get you that instant reaction right after it's over, okay? All right, but with that being said, point number five, BC. Let's start on the boxing side of things with Teofimo Lopez. Wow, what a return to form. Made BC and I absolutely shut our mouths, but it wasn't just us. He was the betting underdog heading into this contest,

and a lot of people thought his entire life was in turmoil. BC, I know the scores were close i don't know if you want to get into it but in our mind here's what i'm going to say a very clear unanimous decision win eight rounds to four was how i had it for lopez bc where did that guy come from where has he been explain what happened to me on saturday night yeah it's really hard because you know after the fact, when he puts in a performance that elite, I mean, that that's that's almost the version he was against Lomachenko. And I'm not saying Josh Taylor had a great fight. He didn't. Josh Taylor is a

great fighter who was humbled and disciplined. But it's because Lopez raised his game when it mattered most. The guy Lopez was in the last two fights at 140, who was just uneven, who was just, you know, remember that after the close win over Sandor Martin, do I still have it? When he needed it most. And look, I'm not saying that his life still isn't in turmoil. I know in hindsight now we have to figure out

how much of that craziness in the buildup was real, how much of it was legitimately alarming. I'll tell you what's truly going on. He's legitimately going through a bitter divorce right now. He seems to legitimately be in turmoil over the custody battle for his son and losing half of his money. And it seems like the day-to-day life of him being the son of his very over-the-top fighter trainer, like that's just constant turmoil. Watch the Mark Kriegel ESPN interview. If you haven't, that came out last Friday,

the two of them are arguing. I mean, Tao saying, I want to die in the ring. I mean, like literally he's romanticizing the idea of, I want to die in the ring. It could not be more disturbing.

His father tried to jump in and be like, no, stop doing this. Stop like, you know, talking like that. And Tao was like, see what I have to deal with.

We had more than enough reasons to be concerned about his mental status, about his future, not as a fighter, but as a man. I think we still do. So I don't want to lose that. I think he is going through inner turmoil. The differences, like the great ones, and I don't know if he's going to end up on this level of a Floyd Mayweather or John Jones, who is historically very few people, but I always bring it up, Luke. They're unflappable. Their life could be chaos, but when it matters and the lights are the brightest, they come out and they shine. This was a breakthrough performance for a 25 year old who literally looked like he was on the brink of destruction.

And I don't think one great win as this was fixes everything, personally. He said it afterwards. I don't want to talk about my next opponent. My next opponent's in the courtroom trying to win back my son. That's serious stuff. But let's not look past how freaking brilliant this performance was. I did see Ring Magazine come out with a feature ahead of this fight, Luke, that I felt in the moment was not disturbing,

but a little bit, you know, off-brand where they were like, Teo's fooling everybody. He's the maestro. In hindsight, Luke, I'm not really sure how much of this was him purposely putting out a crazy narrative so that we wouldn't talk about what? The personal issues he's going through?

The fact that he hasn't looked great lately? I't know i don't know what the what the balance is between how much of this ahead of time was him literally showing us a cry for help of how hard his life is and he just happened to be able to turn it up when it mattered but from a boxing side not a personal side he turned it up in a pound for pound way. Josh Taylor is as big as you can find for a skilled opponent at 140. And Josh Taylor had a tremendous first round backing Tao up with those long shots over the top and the big jab. From that point on, Luke, Tao completely disarmed him, disciplined him, did what he wanted with him. Do you remember that moment after round one when Tao's dad was like, disciplined him, did what he wanted with him. Do you remember that moment after round one when Tao's dad was like, figure him out already. And Tao said, don't worry. I got it,

dad. I got it already. I thought that was going to be a major, like, you know, big red flag moment. No. Do you know how Tao Fimo won this fight? His dad would say afterwards that he had screwed up in recent fights, trying to get Tao to be the the boxer to do what we said he probably should be doing more of to get out first with a jab. Teo won this fight how he said it in the post-fight interview by countering the counter puncher. When you get a guy like Teo who is so fast, so accurate, but has an IQ that's seven, eight levels above his opponent as he showed in this one, he took a great dangerous fighter in taylor and made him a shell of himself luke you said you gave four rounds to josh taylor i watched it a second time i cannot find more than two for him this was a dominant performance yet the judges

had it seven five seven five and what uh nine three the third one the nine three i can understand dude i i don't get it you know how many times do i defend boxing and say that's not corruption it's just you know indifference or it's just somebody was bad at their job i think all three missed this and it does make you nervous that what if this fight had been closer what if taylor stepped on the gas in the championship rounds could he have pulled out a draw or a split decision it would have been bullshit luke tail was everything he said he was and everything he used to be on this night for a 25 year old now who has a seat at the table in this division with a world title who could make fights you need to see against any number of names from pro grade jose ramirez to Tank to Ryan to Devin across the board and more.

What a tremendous bounce back performance when he needed it most. Look, I don't know if he can keep the train on the tracks. I don't know if him and his dad are still the right combination in terms of fighter and trainer, but he pressed pause on all that shit that gave us tremendous concern for him as a human being and whether or not he really is doing okay behind the scenes as a boxer, he's doing just fine. And let's shout out a guy we respect a lot, Steven Breadman Edwards,

who seemed to be one of the only people who came out publicly on Twitter, had this fight and said, I saw all the interviews you guys did too. Mateo can and probably will win this because of the skills. I just did not see Josh Taylor having this much trouble with the speed and timing. But Luke, if you are trying to walk forward and be the bigger fighter and be the counter puncher, and every time you go to throw, you're getting stinged with hard, aggressive, leaping fast shots.

Yeah, that could be enough to shut off the valve and force you into a defensive posture. And that's what happened on Saturday. Let me ask you, just in terms of the fight itself, because I think that's a great summation of what's happening outside, but more to the fight itself, when did you realize Taylor was in trouble? By what round? About four or five, to be fair.

Really? Yeah, I think that's right. Tell me what you saw. Yeah, I saw just what I said. Look, first round when Taylor was reading him, you got to see what Josh Taylor does great. And I don't want to discount a 16-month layoff for Taylor and the fact that he's coming off a very, very, very flat performance against Jack Catterall. But I know what makes Taylor tick. I've watched that run of beating six straight unbeaten opponents. And by the way, he beat one loss to Victor Postol before that. So this has been a tremendous run. He can box just as good as he can fight, but he loves to be in charge of taking the lead, whether it's behind the jab

or whether crowding you and countering you. And Tao's footwork, Luke, his IQ, his ability to set traps and then leap in and just disrupt the rhythm of Taylor. It was off the charts. It looked like the confidence Tao showed in the first six or seven rounds of that Loma fight. And then again, in round 12, when he stopped the momentum and put

that exclamation down by hurting Loma, he's confident. He's dynamic. He's obviously in great shape and still so young, but do you realize how hard it is mentally to push away? Not just all the personal BSs not just all of that all the media saying you don't have it anymore you're done and i don't regret the column i wrote or the things we said because he was acting bat shit crazy to be fair just off the charts and he might still be i hope not luke but inside that ring he was a genius a technician he took a guy who just two fights ago was top 10 pound for pound and your undisputed champion and made him look average luke damn bro right yeah by round four or five i'm like taylor cannot figure this out and did you see the look on his face

full frustration in fact afterwards luke theartan tornado did not have a single excuse because he knew it. He was, he was not the better man. He got dominated. This, this boxing shit is a, is a tremendous theater of the bizarre and the unpredictable Luke. I I'm happy from a boxing standpoint that Taylor's that Tao is back. I'm happy that he is, you know, that we're not talking about the, the, the fact that he was a shooting star and then he flamed out brightly. But, dude, I think we're going to look back at this fight and just say, you want to see the greatness of Teofimo? Look at the way his mind operated. Look at the way he sniffed out everything Taylor does right.

You're going to hear a lot of I told you so's from him and his dad, you know, for a while now, Luke. But, you know, in a boxing sense, they deserve to say that. Holy shit. Really? Holy shit, Luke. Right? Like good Lord. We kind of had it coming. I mean, we weren't against Lopez, but we were very skeptical that he could do this. I just didn't see this coming given everything else we did see, which to the point you have now made quite clear has been just a disaster. I can't, I can't overstate what Brian is telling you about that interview that came out with Mark Kriegel. It's a disaster. And one of the things

he said that you kind of like skipped over very quickly was he didn't just say, look what I have to deal with. What he had said was every time he tries to say something for himself, his father tries to talk over it or make him change what he is saying. And what he said to Mark Kriegel was, um, I'm never,, I'm paraphrasing, I'm never allowed to say what I want. I'm never allowed to author my own words. Isn't that so frustrating? That's like a deep thing.

That's like an existentially deep thing that he has going on that he has to overcome. And then he goes out there and does that? I mean, it's just you can't believe it. But I think that they're right with the approach, dude. The approach was, you know, Lopez, it shouldn't be like, it's not that he can't follow a game plan or be more of a precise boxer. I think he can do those things.

But letting him be loose and free and use his athleticism to compute answers quickly, that's where he does his best work. And I think that's what you saw here something that frankly frankly dude i hadn't seen this version of lopez since he fought lomachenko that guy's just been not there that's the difference to me like this dude is not the dude who fought cambosis like not at all this was so much better so much clearer so much more thoughtful so much more menacing and cutting angles and finding delayed timings and smothers and everything he needed to to get the job done

and not succumbing to the jab. Took the jab away after one round from Taylor. I thought the jab would be a huge weapon for Taylor, and it only was for three minutes. That's it. So to me, BC, the chaos to me just can't long-term be a good thing. There's just no way to say that.

But I will say it is extremely impressive that he was able to be what he was amidst all of that chaos. And that speaks to his amazing skills. Well, I think, Luke, I think we can say, look, we didn't give Tao a lot of credit that he wanted for how he gutted out the Cambosis loss. Why? Because all he did was talk about it,

that it was a conspiracy against him. All he did was complain. You guys aren't giving me credit for almost dying and fighting through. But in hindsight, Luke, that's not him. That wasn't him. He told me on the podcast, you know, a couple of months later after that fight that he fought like an animal in that first round because he knew he didn't have the wind to go the distance.

He knew he was compromised. He had a tear in his esophagus that may or may not have come from that body shot from the mountain man, Luke, in that viral video during training camp. Just want to remind you of that. But the whole reason why we missed this wasn't just the crazy comments. It was the flat fights last two times out. He didn't know. He was trying to be a boxer, but wasn't committing to the jab.

He wasn't dynamic and next level. Maybe it was the higher level of competition that forced him to train harder and raise his game. Or maybe, Luke, there is some element of him playing maestro with us. Again, I don't think all that personal stuff was made up. He's legitimately

going through that turmoil. And I think the Mark Kriegel interview, and I want to give Kriegel credit, because he stood in the pocket there as Teo's standing up yelling at him and almost playing armchair psychologist and saying I know how hard this is for you to live up to the expectations of your family to carry your family on your shoulders I actually think all that is real and you saw that come out but what I do think Luke is Teo played us from the standpoint of let me throw out that comment about killing him let me throw out that comment about dying in the ring let me ramp up this comment about this so that it could

take the pressure off of his game and also keep him in the headlines. I think that this three fight stretch where he stopped being the guy who beat Lomachenko, I think Teo did not like watching Gervonta become an absolute superstar. Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney, Shakur Stevenson, all of these guys in his class of young breakout fighters were getting all their flowers and big pay-per-view moments. And he was, you know, stuck trying to go to a new division and figure it out. I think some of this was him bringing more attention on himself to motivate himself, but look what it did. Luke, here's the real question here. That version of Tao from Saturday Night, is that guy a problem for Haney, Tank, and Shakur? Yes or no, in your opinion?

That version of him. Yes. Yeah, I think you're damn right. I think, who else fights like this? Nobody. You can't. You know what I mean? Like, it's ridiculous how good he is

when he can produce that version of himself damn man yeah i mean i'm not gonna make a roy jones comparison because i think that would be way way off but there's a little bit a little bit of that improvisational roy jones magic that he has and that that has given him like you wouldn't teach his style it's too difficult to follow it's just his own kind of thing. But he makes it work. He made it work to great effect. We slept on him.

So, BC, it leads to the second part of this conversation, which is he kind of indicated he was going to retire. The only thing that could bring him back, he told, I think, Sean Porter on his podcast over the weekend was, you know, I've made $100 million, a nine-figure deal. I've made $100 million for ESPN. That's what it would take to bring me back. It's like, well, Tao, I want to see you get paid,

but you didn't make a hundred million for ESPN. I can assure you that. So what is next? So here's the deal. Tao's issue, if you watch the interviews closely leading into this fight, were financial. Him and his dad claim they brought the big Bud Light sponsorship to top ranking ESPN,

and they don't feel like they're getting rewarded for that. They felt that they were promised a pay-per-view fight in this instance and also promised to fight at the big arena in MSG. Instead, they're in the tiny theater upstairs and it's off pay-per-view. Now, Luke, you could just as well argue that being off pay-per-view but on ESPN brings bigger eyeballs, but it doesn't bring more money. And maybe it's because the same night ESPN had the UFC pay-per-view and I don't know if they wanted head-to-head pay-per-views going on. But the whole point is they feel like they're criminally underpaid. Now they are over-enhancing their brand, I believe, even with this performance.

But I do wonder what this means moving forward for his relationship with top-ranking ESPN and whether they can restructure a deal and get him more money to keep him happy or whether this does lead to him trying to force his way out of his current deal by doing this, by threatening retirement, by saying all this stuff. Because again, if you watch the interviews closely in the lead up, he did touch on these things. He touched on how moving forward, I'm not going to accept this type of money. I want to start my own promotional company. I want to do this and that. We could be looking at issues here, Luke, I think, unless top rank throws a little bit more cash on it or what. But you want to talk about future matchups across the board. And by the way, 140 also has, you know, names like Roley Romero and Adrian Broner, who we'll get to later. So like there's all different kinds of

matchups available to him. All of them are great. But i think in addition to figuring out his custody battle outside i think him and his dad need to figure out the issues between them and i do think teo as a fighter with bob arum and esp in a top rank need to figure out the divide between them um does he deserve more than the 1 million he said he got paid for this taylor fight yeah i agree with that but him saying i want 100 million i mean that could just be him throwing a huge number to try to meet in the middle. Of course, it's public negotiation. But I do have a little bit of fear in that regard title and, you know, this type of buzz behind him. But they do have to figure out some of those money issues. I mean, well, you think Bob Aaron will just dig in and say, no, dude, you're under contract. That's what it is.

Take the money or, you know, or leave it. I don't know. I just feel like the guy needs to, I mean, it's amazing that he was able to persevere in spite of what has gone on, whether perceived or real as a problem. Right. gone on whether perceived or real as a problem right um so that to me is the part that is really impressive and for which i am like honestly grateful almost in a way to see this version of teofimo lopez back again but who could really look at this and say this is an ingredient for success this is setting him up for his best long-term self like to the point that you raise some some resolution needs to happen. Like there

has to be something steady or happening in his life for him to see the fullest version of what he could be. As long as he's doing this, he's just fighting uphill and God bless him. He did it amazingly well on Saturday, but it's still uphill. And I don't even know if he wants it to your point about the retirement as well, BC. Um quickly, if I can, one final note. Jaime Munguia and Sergei Derevyanchenko on DAZN had an absolute slobber knocker over the course of 12 rounds. BC, there's been a lot of criticism of Jaime Munguia's resume and his run to this point.

The vast majority of it, extremely fair. So question for you is as follows, or I should say statement rather, rate Munguia's performance against Derevyanchenko. Interesting. Look, there's flaws. Defensively, most importantly, Jaime Munguia, it can be a mess.

Obviously, he's big. Even for this Quay class at 168, I mean, he was a weight bully at 54, but this at 168, he's big even for this quay class at 168 i mean he was a weight bully at 54 but this at 168 he's still big yes he has power and his chin is through the roof so overall look i'm going to give him a seven and a half and that's because you could make the argument again that derivinchenko won this fight if you want to know how i scored it i ended up scoring at six rounds even but with the late knockdown 1144-113 for Munguia. Two of the three judges had that. The third judge had it wider for Jaime.

Unfortunately, it plays into the trend for the 37-year-old Dervinchenko that we've seen. When he goes up there against the elite, he puts forth a balls-out, incredible performance of heart mixed with technique, but usually comes up just short. Unlike the Golovkin fight, which I felt Dervynchenko won, this one was, like I said, I had it even. It's really up in the air. It could have gone either way. Munguia's going to get big fights after this, in my opinion.

I think they're done with the let's match him softly. But I think behind the scenes, they do understand, though, Luke, I don't know if he's going to win these big fights. Whether he gets Canelo, I don't know if you saw in the locker room afterwards, he got a phone call from Jose Benavidez Sr., the trainer and father of David, and they said, look, we'd love to make this fight. I think a lot of people are going to want to make the fight against him because he's a 42-0 Mexican fighter with a good fan base behind him. I don't know if you heard that crowd in Ontario. They were chanting throughout in California. But Luke, he's vulnerable. And Derevyanchenko fought his ass off and poured

out the jug and again, could have gotten his hand raised. But Jaime Munguia is a warrior. He bites down, but he's got a lot of holes in his game for the elite level. I don't think he gets an elite win from here on out. I do think he'll make a lot of money. He's got that glossy record. I hope he's ready to match himself big moving forward. But I want to say two things before I throw it back to you. One, this may end up being your fight of the year. If you have not seen this, get onto DAZN and check it out. And two, Luke, that DAZN announce team, they don't get a lot of fanfare. It was Corey Erdman filling in for Todd Grisham. It was Chris Mannix and it was Sergio Mora. They called the shit out of this fight. Mora in particular.

This was high theater a tremendous fight the golden boy announcer afterwards comically said this is one of the greatest fights in boxing history when he announced the scores which i think was way too far but this was a great great fight and i only reason i give him seven and a half as a score luke is because how many munguia's defensive issues at this weight class are going to be a problem against punchers there's no question about it yeah dude his defense like his there's just no head movement really at all at all and derivinchenko i dude derivinchenko was hitting this dude with a sledgehammer repeatedly like it was shocking how much damage he was taking in that fifth round how he hung on and didn't even take a knee to your point

about Munguia's chin holy god damn that chin is absurd but dude he gets hit way too easily Canelo would decapitate him there's not a doubt in my mind a lot of the big punchers at 168 I think would do some do some damage to him but they would be fights, and I think that there is some interest in making them for all the reasons that you articulated. One note about Derevyanchenko, BC. I mean, let's go through his losses here, right? The Munguia fight, you could argue he could have won, right? The Daniel Jacobs fight, there are some folks who think he won.

It was a split decision, in fact. The Golovkin fight was a unanimous decision. I thought Derevyanchenko did win that contest. Now, I thought he lost cleanly to Jamal Charlo. I don't remember the Carlos Adamas fight. Maybe you do better than me. Yeah, it was a majority decision, and if he would have used his jab more, he could have won it,

but credit Adamas had kind of like a breakthrough performance there to get by him. Yeah, so what I'm saying is he's had these losses, Jacobs, Glovekin, Charlo, Adamas, Munguia, all of the names he's fought where he either really should have won or was just up against it coming up short. But in the end, he has five losses. He has a 14-5 record, and you just wouldn't know it.

He's been the guy that gave. I mean, I remember what a boost it was. Certainly it's a boost now for Munguia. It was a boost for Charlo. That was during the pandemic. You and I called that in September of 2020 at the Mohegan Sun and then the Golovkin fight uh boosted him as this guy where yes he lost but he was the guy that was kind of underappreciated by boxing he just would have been that dude this whole way but Munguia is going to get lit up like a Christmas

tree by any good fighter at 168 he faces but goddamn if it won't be a good fun fight before that um you know so let's get him in there I suppose here's what's weird though I want to say by any good fighter at 168 he faces, but goddamn, if it won't be a good, fun fight before that, you know, so let's get him in there, I suppose. Here's what's weird, though. I want to say, how do we explain that Munguia's last seven fights were against, you know, average to really sub-average competition? I wonder if it's the people behind him. He's co-promoted by Golden Boy and Zan for promotions,

Fernando Beltran there in Mexico. I wonder if they just see what we see, Luke.'m not sure but at the same time a year ago he was talking about maybe going up to 175 and challenging b-ball which is wild i think the fight to make for him as he progresses here is 42 and 0 is edgar berlanga who cut ways with top rank signed by matrim sport on that side of the fencewise, they both have a lot of questions. There you go, Luke. There you go. Madison Square Garden, let's do it.

Okay, there you go. Yeah, you could do something big there. That's interesting. Wow, I hadn't thought about that. And honestly, McGill would win that one, you think? Probably, yeah, right? He probably would win that one. It's hard to say.

From what we know now, yes. But Berlanga has a ton of talent. But, yeah, he's on a bad run of decision wins where he doesn't look great. They're both questionable talents. I mean, look, Munguia's chin, A+. His warrior spirit was there. I liked a lot of the things he did offensively. So, like, I'm not saying he's a broken, you know wheel i mean he's 42 and oh but he i mean damn dude i mean he's got a whole

of famer eric morales in his corner who you know certainly fuels the balls but they got to work on some d something here man come on like like brian campbell got to get to work on that D. You know what I'm saying? Wow, Luke. Wow. Get down on some D. Dig down, dig down. Yeah. All right. Speaking of D, let's go to DMs from the Donks now because our top five topics are over.

Let's do it. Yeehaw. All of that fun stuff. All right. This is where we put up questions on social media. You guys fill them up. Our producers pick them, and then we answer them. So BC, from Nazner Rock, thoughts on Peña versus Pennington

for the vacant women's bantamweight title. Apparently, they were poised to fight each other in the tough finale, but things didn't quite pan out that way. Now they are number one and number two in the division, respectively. Book it or keep it? Sure. Why not, BC? What do you think?

I don't love it. And I'm not discounting Rocky Pennington's win streak that's put her back into contention, Luke. But I don't think there's any buzz for a Pena-Pennington fight. And I think they've got to come back strong. Here's the deal. We all think 45 is going to get folded. We all believe it should.

Dana more or less said it on Saturday. Amanda was keeping that division alive. They're not going to do the UFC women's heavyweight idea. I don't think Kayla's walking through that door tomorrow, right? So here's the deal. I think you got to make the 135 thing a splash. So I'm going to give you a couple suggestions, and I want you to tell me what you like, Luke, okay?

Because I'm sorry I don't like Peña versus Pennington. I don't think that's elite MMA. I'm really being serious here. They're tough outs, but I don't think so. You're going to hate some of these, but get ready. What about Valentina Shevchenko versus Juliana Pena in a rematch? Yes or no? At 135.

Yes, for the title. Yes. Okay. What about they've never fought each other, and I have been telling you for three years that Holly Holm is not done getting title shots at 41. Holly Holm versus Julianaiana pena for the vacant title okay doesn't home have a fight coming up she does yeah that's the problem here's the other thing

that i think aaron bronstetter tweeted out aaron blanchfield has come out and said that she would be willing to move up in weight because the the flyweight title picture is crowded at the moment what about aaron Blanchfield versus Juliana Pena ding ding ding number one answer or what Luke yeah I'll take it I take it I mean you guys know me I'm usually very skeptical about fast tracking people even like the Bo Nickel types but in the case of Blanchfield I might be willing to look the other way on that one I feel like she could already do some damage I think her she's been training since a very young age so she her she's going to peak earlier and then probably get out of the sport a little bit earlier relatively speaking than a lot of other folks so even though

she's very very young uh bc yeah i wouldn't if they're really looking for it they i just don't feel like they'll go that direction because they want to keep her on track at 125 but i wouldn't be mad at them if they pulled that trigger. Yeah, she's 24. She would be the youngest female champion in UFC history if she won. It wouldn't break Jon Jones' overall record, but that would be interesting. Luke, what do you think is most likely of those four matchups we just talked about?

What's most likely from the UFC? Pena and Holm, maybe. Something like that. Probably. I mean look like home has not been bad lately she you know what i mean like right i know she did have a loss in that stretch of late but it's not like that's a is that it's just a very it's just a very weak division it is a weak division so i mean look tell me if i'm wrong here pena does have star value in her so that's why we're including her name in all of these right she delivers on the mic she she makes it special dude if they roll out pena pennington man that feels like to me it feels ah this is gonna sound really bad it feels like

montano versus modafari for the title luke it doesn't feel like a like a you know what i mean it doesn't feel like an exclamation point on the division. That's why I'm bringing in Blanchfield or Valentina or something. I mean, imagine if Shevchenko becomes a two-division champion. That's not a bad idea for the company, right? Yeah, I agree with you. Making it more exciting than that, I think, is pretty important, actually. I'm with you. I like either a Shevchenko or a Blanchfield call,

and either one of those I'd be okay with. Okay. All right, from DonnyTSP. We kind of those I'd be okay with. Alright, from Donnie TSP. We kind of talked about this a little bit, BC, but does it seem like Miranda Maverick is regressing pretty significantly? I think it's a little strong, but he writes, quote, she looked like a lock

to be a title contender for a few fights ago. Now she looks like a completely different fighter and not for the better. I wouldn't say completely different. Well, I'm going to push back on lock to be a title contender no she has not yet luke look yeah also that's yeah also with that but that i don't know that we ever said that i think we said we she had some serious potential yes but lock to be title contender maybe that's a little strong um but yeah i just think it's headed in the right direction which could also be she's at maybe like

this might sound like oh it because it's because of who she's training with now but that's really not necessarily true at all she could be in one of these parts of her game where she's learning a bunch of new things and it's kind of messing with her style and her identity and how to build it the right way in the plateau and you have to push through that to get to the next stage and it just takes a little bit of time so it could just be a little bit of that going on not necessarily like ultimately things are headed in the very wrong direction uh more than just a bad stop again 25 years of age i think people need to be a little bit understanding of that but did she show on saturday even if it was a bad night at the office and it was right she's shooting in the third round when she needs

a knockout like it wasn't a good night um i just i don't know luke like she didn't show a dominant skill you know what i'm saying like she just like she looked lost um if she can't strike like she's got at the baseline put together better striking like the shots were looping just just straight jabs were just breaking her down like i don't know luke would you rather see her amp up her ground game or or stand-up to try to move on? Because it's tough. She's in great shape. She's got a great attitude.

She's a smart fighter, but it's not coming together. Honestly, for me, the biggest thing I keep going back to, and I said it before, I sound like a broken record, but it really is the issue for me is her entry. So she's often short and at a reach disadvantage. I've seen this now in a few of her fights. So getting in from the outside to the inside has been a thing that you would imagine is pretty central to her game,

both to get to the body lock takedowns, which she sometimes prefers, and also just to land your punches and then get out. And what I've noticed is that the entries have become just a little predictable. The faking and the fainting has not convinced her opponents so they can see it coming. Not putting together the combinations good enough to make them work when there is.

And if you just can't navigate the space between, I mean, dude, the control or the management of the real estate between two fighters is maybe the most important skill. We don't really see it that way. We see other things as most important. But if you can control that really, really really well it just sets you up for so much different kinds of success i think she's having a challenge with that yeah there'll be a problem for her what about um miranda maverick versus king casey o'neill loser leaves town match luke you ready for that i don't know about loser leaves town but you could do that fight uh all right bc from joel watch walkton once these active fighters are all retired who do you think will have

retired with the most wins jim miller at 25 currently draws olivera 22 currently john jones at 21 portier 21 rda 21 max holloway 20 bc i'm gonna say olivera or definitely is going to be my number one answer i think max Max Holloway at 20 could surprise us a little bit. I mean, the thing about Max Holloway is he's still so ridiculously young, right? Despite the mileage, he's showing us that he can reinvent himself. Yeah, him or Charles, Luke. I think that, I mean, to be fair, Luke, wouldn't you want the all-time wins leader to be more of a title contender than a then sort of like a you

know gatekeeper ish who was able to build long longevity right which you know it's funny like i saw i did i saw dc taking a beating over his jim miller hall of fame take what do you say and i gotta tell you i don't really understand why he was taking a beating over it i get the argument that if you're going to let folks in who have resumes like Donald Cerrone, which is good for different kinds of reasons other than the highest level of achievement, then you can't keep out Jim Miller. And I think that argument is fairly strong,

but it just sort of gets back. Let me just do it again. Go back to the Amanda Nunes test. Tell me Jim Miller's best five wins off the top of your head if you could. I mean, most people can't do that that and this is exactly what I mean like the fact that he's got this length of achievement that does deserve to be acknowledged and potentially even consecrated somewhere I get that I get that but like I don't think that place is the hall of fame I think it's

something else right uh and I think you, you got to be honest here. Cowboy has a couple of things going for him. He was, you know, he was elite in the WEC in a very good era. He was, you know, at times pretty damn elite in the UFC, but also he's, you know, a star, like a character. And also he plays directly into what the company wants. This, this cowboy, this gunslinger who will fight anybody at any time. And you can put into a main event,

even when he's past his prime and he can carry it. I know that that like the star side of it doesn't always come into play, but it does matter to a certain degree. It's like Luke, when Arturo got, he got in the boxing hall of fame, you know, 10 years ago, whenever it was, even though he had been a, a world, you know, a title holder in the division before and had been at that level, he got in because he was a superstar action movie brawler who brought so much joy to people and was this great character.

And there were people like, oh, now we're letting in that level. I think sometimes you make an exception. I think Cowboy, you know, doesn't have the same exact legacy of an Arturo Gatti, but there's some similarities to some degree. I'm okay with Cowboy, you know, doesn't have the same exact legacy of an Arturo Gatti, but there's some similarities to some degree. I'm okay with Cowboy getting in. It's not that I'm not okay with Jim Miller getting in. I would love that guy to get, you know, nothing but bouquets of flowers on the way out. But you got to have a line, Luke.

They got to have a line, you know, Baseball Hall of Fame, Don Mattingly. Yeah, maybe he gets in down the road as a veteran, or maybe he's already in and I just didn't realize it. But to him, to me, he was always that line. At his best, super elite. Injured, couldn't maintain it. You know what I'm saying, Luke? If you've got somebody that compiles together great win streak

but was never top five in their division, never a real title threat, that's not Hall of Fame. Cowboy was super elite at certain points. True or false? True, right? He fought for a title. Jim Miller's never he fought for a title jim miller's never even fought for a title so yeah that then that answers it you know what i mean like yeah you know what i mean like you never even fought for a title off the top of your head what's a better

cowboy win than eddie alvarez in his ufc debut like there might you know that might be his best win jim miller doesn't have anything close to that he just doesn't have a win like that no again that was the eddie alvarez's uf. But to your point, he was well experienced. The cowboy chewed him up. So take it for what it's worth. Again, what he has done is special and deserves special recognition, but not the most special recognition. All right.

Right. From Jack underscore MA cool and Mac cool. I don't know. We just got two season there. I don't know what the fuck for. Okay. With the Olivera win, he's won 12 of 13 with 11 stoppages.

What are some other insane MMA runs that compare with that stretch? BC like, no, I mean, dude, 12 of 13 with 11 stoppages is about, is just absurd to Charles Olivera's at 20 stoppages. The only person in all of,

you know, pride UFC strike force, WC history. That's ahead of that is Mugler croak up with 21 Oliveira is almost certain to pass that it looks like so he's going to be the all-time stoppage leader for dominant MMA organizations which is fucking bananas and going to be the all-time wins leader Luke and yeah and be the all-time wins leader so like what he's doing is like just shocking and insane um I would say that you always kind of like bag on this but

like again mugumi fujii her first i think 21 fights she won no problem so she had 21 fight winstreet going into that that's a pretty good once against two against the very best fighters at the time again against two no dude she beat some good fighters she beat some good fighters along the way she eventually lost to Zoila Frausto in Bellator, but that wasn't until she was in her 30s. My point is not to bag on her. She doesn't belong in this discussion. Rather than ripping off the greatest win streaks of all time,

and we all know who they are, I would rather intercept this question from Jack McCool and ask you this, Luke. How does Charles Oliveira ascend the top of the all-time lightweight pound-for-pound rankings ahead of Habib? Is it by beating Mahachev to win back the championship? That's a big one. Like, getting two cracks at him

and not being able to do it hurts his argument, right? It turns him into, like, because what that would do is, what that would tell you is, on any given night, he basically could beat anyone. But against the very best who were very particular about how they fought, he couldn't. So he had to get it done against just a shade off the best. He'd be in between the very, very best and then just a shade off.

He'd be some kind of in-between category. And I do think that would hurt his argument. If they never fought again then that changes it too because you got to figure out who could he beat to then get to that next place i would say if he beats makachev and becomes the all-time wins leader as well yeah i don't know man that puts him in a great spot the one thing against habib whenever we're talking about you know comparing greatness is getting out early meant he didn't face as many truly elite names as we would have wanted to.

Some of that is missing two years in his prime with the injury. Some of that is Ferguson falling apart five times. Like we get it. There's been some bad luck mixed in. Right. But that means that there's an opening there. Seriously, there is, there's an opening there. I mean, you're right. If, if,, you're right. I mean, if Charles wins a second championship in this division, then that may mix with the finish records and the overall most wins if he gets there to do that. But could you make an argument right now that he has a better resume

than Habib, yes or no, right now? Yeah, you could. I mean, this is the part that people get wrong about the Habib argument. Like, it is true that to never make so costly an error or to be not good enough that you never lost along the way in a in the amount of fights that he had like that is a very very commendable thing but like and for example like in the same amount of fights Charles has stumbled right Charles has L's long before and it wasn't just who you beat in the UFC like Charles lost you know

I'm saying in that time that Habib had spent in his career to get to was it 29-0 whatever it is 28-29 like in the first 29 fights Charles fell short of that but that doesn't mean that because Habib stopped it there that that same

level of difference between them would continue in fact there's no reason to think that whatsoever they could have gone on very different paths past that we just don't know because he didn't but people use the fact that he was error-free earlier in his career to say that his ultimate upside would be higher past the place where charles kept going and you simply don't know that you simply don't okay final thing i know you're not gonna like this but we always say like what percentage chance would get habib back up in the bullpen and right now if i asked you you'd probably say like two percent out of a hundred that he ever came back and fought right like almost guaranteed not gonna happen but what if

charles comes back and knocks maha chev the hell. I mean, just flatlines him, Luke. And then gets on the microphone and says, I'm the greatest lightweight of all time. I'm better than Habib that batch. I look at, come clean up your mans. I mean, is there anything incendiary, Luke, that could draw that man to cross the picket line again and come fight for his honor of his extended team and

family or nothing short of being really ruthless and engrossed right yeah i don't i think the even of that i put the chance at five percent 95 chance it doesn't happen okay okay you know what i'm saying all right last but not least from volley jerry with fans falling from the sky this weekend. What other bloopers can you recall at events? The ice bucket is an all-time classic. I think you might have this on. Have you seen this shit? I don't know,

but the barricade breaks. Did this happen at FedEx field when Jalen hurts was walking through the, the quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles. And I was like, dude, if your arena is in FedEx field condition your arena sucks the sweat off a dead man's balls I'm just going to be honest with you Canadians that really is a terrible place to be so in Philly also at Veterans Stadium that

big army navy game when the when the thing collapsed and all those cadets piled on each other and all those people got injured Luke yeah dude have you seen the soccer stadiums and like just the shittiest parts of south america just one collapses on i saw a bullfighting ring collapse in columbia and i was like it's sad but you know luke what's the ice bucket thing they're referencing there i feel like i should know that what is that when there was a while there were one time someone spilled a bucket of ice inside the cage and there was this three stooges skit that was required to get it cleared and then someone made a account called Spilled Bag of Ice and it has lived on since.

Okay, does this qualify Justine Kish? The old Oswerio Silva taking a dump in his pants? When she ished, and unfortunately, Luke, it came out like all over the octagon after she got submitted um um is that like you know they had to come in and disinfect that correct or we just keep we just keep going i think you just keep on rolling bro i mean you know just let it breathe baby yeah okay um yeah that's a disaster okay that's a debacle i i've seen a strike force show this was a long time ago

like or maybe it wasn't even strike force i don't want to say so it could have been like an elite xc show but it was something big enough where they had aired on tv and then uh fighters ran into the door and the door came open i've seen that shit that was dairy you almost fell out the cage you see that i still haven't have you seen this shit unfortunately i forgot yeah yeah they opened it he kind of fell back like that a little bit uh that wasn't great um yeah i mean i've definitely seen stuff at sporting events where like you know entire sections collapsing or just like well must suck to live in that place and then you just never think of it again you know yeah yeah all right on that note luke let's go from shit to shit i scoured the globe is that wait is that it for dms is that it that's it we're done

all right i'm here to tell you I got some good shit today, okay? It's up to you to decide that, but Long Island Luke agrees with me. Here we go. I scoured the globe for the eyes of the world. He is also a simpleton like you, though. That's the problem. Oh, wow. His dad's from Australia, Luke.

Show some respect, okay? Scoured the globe for all the shit that's fit to print here. It's called Have You Seen This Shit? Let's do it. Let's do it. I mean, I don't know if folks know I'm kidding when I do this, because I kid it sometimes on the the air and then people get bitter but i hope luke knows even knows that i mean he is a simpleton but i am kidding about this is a roast culture

luke okay i would like you to apologize to the paquettes but this is a roast culture okay luke here we go i hope they understand that ufc 289 from vancouver and Mike Malott got these Canucks so fired up, Luke, they broke the damn barricade. Let's go to the videotape. Let the bodies hit the floor. Was there any injuries, Luke? Not many, but here's the thing you have to think about. It's like, dude, Mike Malott just walking past, like he just snapped his fingers like Thanos and they all died.

Look at him. Dude, that could have fallen on a fighter. You know what I mean? Like, yes, all those people could have been hurt, but then the fight gets affected itself, and then what are you going to do? Yo, Rogers Arena, get your shit together. What the hell?

Shout out to Shaq Majorey. Luke, that was a hometown coverage for him. You see him at the press conferences representing? No, I didn't watch the presser. All right. Thank you. Let's go to this wholesome victory. Luke, we talked about Amanda Nunes retiring on her own terms. I didn't watch the presser all right thank you uh let's go to this wholesome victory luke we talked about amanda nunes retiring on her own terms i didn't see this i turned off

the broadcast by this point they had a noon's family victory lap luke that was wild your thoughts on this dude good for them good for them if she hasn't earned this who has yeah right let's let's get out reagan luke the the their young beautiful daughter there look at this luke just just a hoedown i love it i love it she she has she has she has a someone holding her belts as an official jewelry collector i mean get the fuck out of here if she can't do this nobody can nobody can period and luke they have a second child on the way and as john annick said on the broadcast it's um i mean i can't believe we're saying this but it's true amanda's eggs are this

yeah apparently the details of um lesbian lesbian procreation is very disconcerting to mma fans which i would like to say i don't understand but i actually do because this is beautiful though this is great i'm happy i'm so happy i that film. I can't imagine losing sleep over that, but some people do. Some people do. Luke, you know that UFC weigh-in show gets pretty wild. Here's our buddy Dean Thomas talking about Canada's finest cuisine, poutine.

There's something fun about saying poutine. I can't wait to eat the poutine. That's like, get my tongue eat the poutine. It's a not dirty, dirty word. That's like... Get my tongue on that poutine. That's like that and the whole booty together. It's a not dirty, dirty word. Like moist. Oh, God. You guys are crazy, man. Well, you could have very moist poutine.

This is too much. If we're doing it right. This is too much. It's got gravy on it. If you're doing it correctly. You guys are crazy. It's too much. DC, what's wrong with these guys? They're crazy, man. I don't know.

That's good. I don't mind, man. They're just talking about wet vagina is really what they're doing. Let's just be honest. The first thing I do is make them toss my salad with syrup or jelly. Yeah, yeah. They can't say that. They can't say that on that show.

And we probably can't say it on this show, but I'm just going to say it anyway. Wet vagina. There you go. Look, poutine is fantastic. You know that's my type of raccoon shit right there, right? Like, you know, they could serve that in a gas station. You know what? I got to tell you about poutine.

I like it. I like it. I'm not going to say I about poutine. I like it. I like it. I'm not going to say I hate on it because I don't. It's delicious. It's not like it's not like the best way to eat fries. I'm just going to say that. Not the best way. Well, Luke, we mentioned there was a ton of Nelk Boy full send podcast

collaborations going on in that arena in Vancouver. And this soundbite from the Nelk boys came out. Luke, apparently Dana is a boss with really huge balls. Let's listen in. Fuck, bro. He is just such a boss, bro. He's the biggest gangster in the game. Just the shit he talks about behind the scenes,

just different deals that are like people trying to fuck him or fuck the UFC and how he'll never let it go to like uh woke yeah and shit like that talking about other leagues yeah it's just crazy how like that guy is the biggest balls bro yeah like it's tough to be at like that level and like just be like that confident in your own you know decisions oh for sure it's like you have different people in your ear and like people telling you to pussy out too but like he's just like his way is the fucking way he goes with his gut every time his guns yeah yeah which is dope and he sticks to what like he thinks is right yeah that's fucking rare but that's what makes him such a boss hit everyone fucks with him too yeah like no one ever shits on dana You can't. And if they do, it's like, he'll call you out.

Yeah. Some media, like, he even posted about some media outlet, like, twisted his words. Yeah. And he posts about it, and he's like, I didn't fucking say this. Yeah. Like, just wild. Never want to be on that guy's bad side. No.

But he's such a good guy. You know what happens when you're on that guy's bad side. Fuck that, bro. Yeah. No, it's fucking pretty cool that we're fucking friends with him he's just the fucking man can we end this misery luke why are dana 51 year old dana white's best friends all 20 year old influencers why luke why oh wow what were they drinking i mean but i mean uh they put out their own cell uh seltzer alcoholic seltzer called, what is it, Dad something?

What is it? We drank it during a pregame. Oh, that's what that was? Happy Dad? Yeah. I mean, Luke, there was a lot of fellatio going on in that podcast. Yeah, dude, I was amazed at the lack of a gag reflex from either of them. That was impressive.

Yeah, Luke, I wouldn't want to be on that guy's bad side. Oh, boss with big balls, Luke. Dude, his testicles are enormous. You really got to see these things. Yeah, you should probably see them. Luke, it's Valentina time. We all love the former champion. Real recognized real in the crowd in Vancouver.

When Valentina and GSP posed for a pick Saturday, Luke, could you imagine what their kids would look like? Just dominance, right? They'd look white. Well, Luke, imagining what your kids would look like with Valentina became a trend this week. I mean, my kid is white as snow. I'm just saying, they'd look white. Let's go to the videotape here

from the Q&A. Let's see what this fan has to say. Hello, my name is Connor White. I'm from Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, and I've got two questions, both for Valentina. One, are you single? Two, do you want my number? Woo! Got to shoot your shot.

Woo! I love you! Woo! Thank you. I am single, and I am not sure about the number okay thank you that's not a no hey guys

when you show up to fan Q&A's try not to sexually harass the women you're asking questions to Canadian MMA fans are horned up but I love that that dude had to read it off of his phone. Luke, he couldn't remember. Are you single?

Do you want to bang me? I think those questions are pretty easy to remember, Luke, but wow. And that goofy laugh. Why is a guy from Nova Scotia wearing a Denver Broncos hoodie? I mean, what are we doing here, fella? And, Luke, by the way, you want Valentina's number. You can get it by gunpoint from Coach Pavel. Okay, Luke?

All right. You know what I'm saying? You got to earn it the hard way there, fella. Yeah, you're going to have to beat Antonina to get her number. Okay? Thank you very much. All right. And you ain't.

You ain't. All right. Luke, that was very similar to the you're just too good to be true serenade of Holly Holm a few years back. You remember that one? Yeah, they just love showing up and being like, hey, can we just sexually harass you right here in front of everybody? And everyone's like, yeah, isn't that wholesome? Yeah. Yeah, she fielded it well, at least.

But that's Canadian MMA, Luke. In this industry, here's the problem, is that if you work in the industry, the women just have to laugh it off. And so there are people who are none the wiser who are like, oh, they're laughing it off. It must be no big deal. When, again, I don't think the world is going to collapse because of it. But if you're showing up to fan q and a's and then asking

the women for their numbers you know you're a fucking doofus just want to be very clear we never get solicited like that at our live show q and a for parts luke all right i wonder why yeah i know you get the town drunk to then challenge me to a beer drinking contest and they forget they're in one in the middle of it with me. Yes, yes, yes. That is true. Luke, big weekend for Conor McGregor. I'm sure you've seen it, but McGregor was at game four of the NBA finals in Miami, dressed

like Jorge Masvidal, and he knocked out the Miami Heat mascot who needed to go to the ER afterwards. Luke, your thoughts? I'm a little bit with dana on this one i did see this clip that he put out on social or not sorry that uh i think mike bond had asked him hey did you see it and he was like dude who are these fucking people who are negotiating that mascots take punches from pro fighters including deontay wilder wilder fucked up someone on like uh one of the i think espn de puertas he messed up some mascot on there

he fucked him up real good you know like i agree like why are they doing this shit now the second one was a little gratuitous though right like i mean should connor stepped into both shots and gone full speed look i mean we're talking about i feel like you can lay him out with the first one and you can get an excuse but then he hit him with the ground and pound and i was like man i don't know if it called for that you know well Luke, it seems we've debated lately. Is Conor living the Spartan life or is he on the loose, wet and wild? Does this look like a guy who wants to get in the ring and fist fight another man? So on that topic.

I want to say something about this because it's like every time we say that or every time someone like us says it, everyone's like, oh, you don't know his life. He couldn't train. Guys, I'm not even saying I don't want him back back I'd be happy to have him back and competing and whatever or if he wants to live his life and never come back I respect it I honestly like I've got no dog in the fight about like how much I want him back I'm just saying look at it does it look to you like a guy who wants to get in there and do the things that you have to do to get ready for a fight and then to fight itself no it definitely does not look that way you know robbie fox of

barstool luke tweeted out that he talked to dana offline and asked about connor returning and dana said he's definitely coming back and fighting they just don't know if it's the end of this year or early next year which really is starting to support the whole USADA argument of like, is he waiting for his body to flush out before he can enter that pool, Luke, right? Doesn't it feel like that? Maybe. Maybe it's that. Could be. It's weird. I don't know. All right. Well, Luke, you probably didn't watch episode two of the Ultimate

Fighter season 31. The only redeemable part, Luke, was Conor McGregor showing up at the Tough House and wilding out. Let's look at the videotape here. Yeah? You? You are the man. Everyone hung out downstairs. He's an entertainer for sure. Yeah, I'm just going to get down the stairs to get in on that.

He's as advertised, I should say. He's got a fantastic energy, and he's really motivating both teams just to be better men, to be good fighters. Luke, he's motivating them through pints of beer and whiskey there, Luke. Not everybody really excited about it. Here's Cody Gibson, former UFC fighter who's part of this season. I like Cody Gibson. Luke, he was not pleased about Conor staying up at the house and partying and keeping them up.

Let's go to this. Accurate portrayal, I guess. They didn't show Conor staying up at the house and partying and keeping them up. Let's go to this. I hear it portrayal, I guess. They didn't show Conor staying at the house till 2 in the morning that night of that haircut. I was pissed off because I had to weigh in the next morning. And I just couldn't go to sleep because you got this Irish guy running through the house screaming till 2 in the morning. So I was a little bit... I think his Instagram documented that better than The Ultimate Fighter did. Sometimes he was like what you see on TV.

Sometimes he was completely different. I've listened to a few different coaches and different guys that were on the show that have had interviews about it. It's almost universal how you hear people describe him is bipolar I mean like you don't know what you're gonna get and each day was different um he was either gonna be eccentric and kind of over the top and you're almost like is this guy like coked up right now or like he would be laid back and he wouldn't even really he kind of just would blend in in the back like you know so you never really knew what you

were gonna get whether you were gonna get a nice guy or a not so nice guy you know so you kind of were always not sure um and it changed frequently so yeah it was a that part of it i mean yeah i don't know it was hard to read him for sure like you just didn't know what you're gonna get i don't really have a lot of respect for connor as a man um damn wow that took that took an aggressive turn i mean he straight up said dude looks coked out i mean that's that's, wow. Okay. There you go. DC, are you aware of the Cody Gibson Google me bitch fight? Do you know what this is? No, I don't.

No? No. So he got into some street fight, I think, at the end of his UFC run or like somewhere in the middle slash end of it. And I don't think he, I don't even know if he won that street fight, but he famously was on tape saying Google me bitch to the guy because he was trying to explain to him like I fought in the middle slash end of it and i don't think he i don't even know if he won that street fight but he famously was on tape saying google me bitch to the guy because he was trying to explain to him like i fought in the ufc um but uh i didn't know what was gonna happen to his career after that i was actually really happy to see him back he's a smart dude goody gibson yeah so yeah they show him as a hard-working family man in that show they're really trying to put

that over um let's go to your ko of the week luke it comes from the soccer pitch and interestingly enough damn shit yeah wow right hit her with the old uh superman punch golly the old gsp there leaping uh yeah wow that's incredible let's keep that's not legal in the in the soccer that i watch i'm certainly no expert but that's not legal. No, not legal at all. Luke, when you walk through first class to get to coach, you have a way of just crop dusting the more, you know, the well-endowed public who had the opportunity to sit in nicer seats than you. We have a visual representation of what it feels like to sit in first class as Luke walks by. Are these Turkish football fans?

It's also what it looks like to be in the morning combat studio with you, Luke. That's also what you say about a very specific instance where it's like from walking through first class into coach. The reality is, even if I have been lucky enough to sit in first class, I'm just going to spray them too. Everyone is going to get fumigated. Just, just know that.

Oh, okay. Hey, I got a great Christmas present idea for our buddy, Ray Flores, Luke, right? What do you know about Ray?

He loves Hasbulla. There you go. Let's go to the videotape. We should totally. I hope he's not watching. We should get him this. Look at this. Dude, I got to tell you, you know what has died in terms of like showing up on my timelines

and don't say pornography because that's not true. But I don't see hardly because that's not true but uh i don't see hardly any hasbulla and i never see liver king anymore are those is liver king still around i don't think so luke he got ousted as a uh steroid abuser so that's what happened he did he certainly did that's been the end of him big weekend for teo fimo at msg here's a little highlight package to illustrate his brilliance. Watch this, Luke. I mean, he leaves his feet, and a lot of that is very not recommended, but good Lord, he makes it work.

I mean, they can't hit him, Luke. These footwork patterns are off the charts here. He's dancing, you know? And then he stings like a cobra. Yeah, it's more just he is creating uncertainty with the feet and then he tags him with the jab. But this is all like, yeah, I mean, Jesus. Very risky, but he got away with it jab but this is all like yeah i mean jesus very risky but he got away with it here boy let me tell you i don't think you could get away with that kind of stuff i mean remember taylor's 32 you do that shit against tank tank will light you on fire for that

here's a post-fight rant he did in front of the media ringside suggesting possible retirement let's listen 25 years young seven-time world champion two-time linear world champion two divisional world champion i mean two hall of fame careers in one at just 25 you can't tell me i'm not great you cannot tell me i'm not the double greatest since muhammad ali this is what i do this is what i do best now just to steer it up i might retire look the double i can say he's not the best since muhammad ali i can definitely say that big win though big win and that retirement is only about money and it's not real we all know that but great win he's allowed to to poof out a little bit and do that let's go elsewhere in

boxing luke over on his own women's fighter ch Cherneka Johnson weighed in wearing only body paint. Your thoughts, Luke? Not going to complain. Yeah, I'm not going to complain. Yeah, there you go. We showed it, though. Okay, here we go. I always see these guys who complain about women wearing yoga pants everywhere.

I'm like, why would any straight guy complain about that like what would be the what would be the angle there that would make you think that you wanted to see less distraction luke a distraction okay a constant yeah thank goodness great dude whoever i mean it's just baffling arguments uh we mentioned munguia and dara vincenco put on a absolute classic luke here's a little highlight from when they went to war the first two rounds were insane by the way dude Munguia just getting absolutely pinata here man

dude Derevyanchenko is a dog man 37 though man I don't know how many of these he's got left I don't know Adrian Broner made a big comeback on the high live front on in south florida friday night by the way speaking of moist poutine what did he have to say bc well he came out with his whole team wearing free tank t-shirts luke your thoughts on this political statement

yeah i gotta tell you tank situation does not immediately scream to me great sympathy but uh takes all kinds, I suppose. AB has long been a mentor for Tank. A lot of people don't realize behind the scenes, and Tank always shouts him out and gives him credit for that. Luke, Don King put a ring on the highlight front on, put the Ukrainian colors on the ropes, hung Ukrainian flags from the top with his logo in the middle of it.

Is that too far? I mean, you tell me, Luke. Why does Don King care about Ukraine? I don't know. Let's go to AB, Luke. He fought a boxing lawyer, and he ended up getting a decision. He looked pretty good in the first round, though. It looked like he went for the KO.

What do you think of this? I mean, at least he's throwing punches, right? Man, this is... Who is this fucking guy? Yeah, Hutchinson. I mean, he's like a journeyman boxer and a lawyer. I don't know, Luke. But here's the post-fight interview that went very viral.

Let's listen in to this. It wasn't everything I... Well, it was everything I wanted, but it wasn't everything I needed. Right now, I need some pussy. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Okay. well it was everything I wanted but it wasn't everything I needed right now I need some pussy oh god oh god oh god okay all right before we get to that who do you want next in the ring TMI hey man listen man this is my first time on Don King pay-per-view so I gotta give it to y'all anybody can't get it Africans Africans, Americans, Dominicans. No disrespect to no law firm out there, but attorney just got it.

Anybody can get it. Is there nobody special that you like, that you're asking for, or looking for, anyone with the title? Anybody with the title. I see, what's his name? Romello? Rotardo? What's his name? Romello? Retardo? What's his name? Roley.

Oh, Roley? Shit. Um, I like the winner of Tiafemo and Josh Taylor and whoever, whoever else got the belt. I want all the belts. I don't just want a Louis belt, a Gucci belt. I want the WBA belt and WBO belt, WBC belt and IBF belt too. Don, what do you have in mind for our young man, Adrian Broner? What do you have in mind?

What's next for him? Well, right now, you know, there's this guy named Oscar De La Hoya. You know, he sent out a waiver, and he wants to meet with us. We're going to talk about it. Nah, let him know. If he want to come over here, we got a fish in that point. Okay, we got it. Whatever he say. That's whatever he say, because we're the problem here man and oscar you heard

what he said you know i mean come over here get that fish net and i'm gonna kick whoever i asked you put in the ring with me look the fish net is a reference to oscar's infamous night out with that hooker and oscar posted a video from ringside of the munguia fight and said we definitely want to make ryan garcia against adrian broner your thoughts that's a waste of everyone's time which means it's definitely going to happen i think it's perfect i mean it's a trash fight but i think it's kind of perfect i think it's an absolutely trash fight but it may happen also that thing he said about what he he got everything he wanted and everything he needed and what he needed funnily enough that is what bc says after every mk show honestly that

i was so weird for me to hear broder say it because bc gets off the mic he's like i need some of that too and i'm like yeah we all need we all need that we all need that moist poutine bc okay wow all right uh would you be him against roly would be i i would have to give up all you know illusions i'd be against that fight yes who he who he remember boy adrian broner has some of the most interesting social media posts and post fight or even pre-fight comments so for example that one time he thanked abortion for existing for helping him yeah okay moving on manage his family planning i'm not even doing a bit he did that so uh yeah glad to see adrian's back bc yeah he's back uh look we've got a nice meme on the internet about how keith peterson is put together it's apparently not made yeah that's a little mean but a little fair uh if i could be honest

uh luke big moment last night sunday night pay-per-view exhibition boxing 46 year old floyd mayweather against john gaudy the third i'm going to set this up by saying Gotti was holding like crazy. Kenny Bayless warned him a million times. Finally, Bayless had enough. Let's see what happened. Uh-oh. Good Lord. Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. And then 87,000 people I mean you messed with Floyd there are more people in this ring than were attending Floyd's last fight with Aaron Chalmers so Luke the fallout of this has been messy to say the least

John Gotti III by the way there was a couple altercations backstage between the two teams John Gotti III, by the way, there was a couple altercations backstage between the two teams. John Gotti III put on Instagram that, like, this rivalry is never over. Like, we're enemies for life. So that's got people thinking, is this going beyond boxing? And then I believe Gotti's sister posted just abhorrent things about Floyd and his family that border on racism.

And it's just ridiculous. They didn't border on racism. They took a deep swim in the oceans of racism and came just they didn't border on racism they took a a deep swim yeah or the oceans of racism and came out soaking wet if this fight wasn't gross enough the fallout luke just you need a shower right away i hope we never do that here's the thing it's like where was the where was this fight oh it was in florida yeah it was at the high lie uh front on at the yeah dude i mean listen they fought at a high lie arena in florida in an exhibition bout with the grandson of a gangster and floyd mayweather whatever the fuck he's doing with his life at this point like there was no other way for this to go

this was the way that it had to go this was the way it was inevitably always going to go uh i was thinking about this though bc seriously if you count the money he made fighting Logan Paul the answer is probably going to be a lot but I think just for the sake of argument discount that how much money in just exhibitions has Floyd Mayweather made so you could count the tension in that Scala fight and everything

after that but not counting Logan. What does he have? 7 or 8 of them? 6 or 7 of them? Probably an average of 20-30 million of them? Probably an average of... 20, 30 million? I would say an average of 5 million per fight, right? Because he's not getting stupid money for these. Yeah, so he's probably close to $30 million.

And then again, with the Logan Paul flight, which did like a million pay-per-view buys. I mean, he claims he made $300 million against Manny. I saw the $100 million guarantee check that he flashed at the press conference afterwards to us. It was legit. He made reportedly $100 million guaranteed against McGregor plus pay-per-view extras. I mean, you would think he would never have to work again.

I don't understand this tour, to be fair. But like I always say, all of our heroes across history have done stuff like this. It's just what people do, Luke. But it's getting weird. It's getting weirder every day. Luke, Amanda Nunes and Marlon Maraich retired this weekend but they weren't the only mma heroes antonio bigfoot silva somehow got sanctioned to fight in france at kingdom fighting one in grenoble which by the way is the hometown of andre the giant for you wrestling fans out there

he got stopped for the 11th straight no he didn't get stopped he didn't get stopped he lost oh he lost he lost for the 11th straight time luke he's been knocked out cold in every fight discipline in recent years finally it's over no it's not over he he retired from mma he didn't say he was retiring from everything and uh he could easily just take another MMA fight if he wanted to. But he could box again, according to this little thing he's doing. He could kickbox again. He could do slap again. No, no, no, no.

Do you think Dana has enough nerve to put him in the slap? You don't think so, right? No. I don't think Nevada will say. I mean, who knows? But even I don't think Nevada would sanction him. All right. Let's keep it going here, Luke. This is lengthy but i don't even i don't think nevada would sanction him all right let's keep it going here luke with this is a this is lengthy but fun i maybe i don't know work smarter not harder on the construction site luke we should all be learning from this guy

those are some interesting butt cheeks i mean you know if you don't have a tool belt luke you can just um stick it up your ass yeah i guess i guess he's been using some of those glute builders that all of the instagram ladies use uh you know very impressive uh big week for fellatio luke let's go to college baseball crowd well this has been a really interesting show oh boy oh boy that is uh boy that's boy that's you and jason aaron most of the time when i let's go to the nhl pitch luke or whatever they call it the ice Boy, that's you and Jason Aaron most of the time when I run. No, no, no. Let's go to the NHL pitch, Luke, or whatever they call it, the ice. The trend continued.

19-year-old Wyatt Johnston is coming straight down the esophagus of the Wilds' throat. Yeah, wow, wow. That must have been something. I hope it was consensual. He did the old send he just let him have it you know i want you to i want you to know luke on my drive back from verona new york for friday show box car and i stopped at one of my favorite gas stations you know that truck stop loves you ever go there it's like a truck no i've never heard of it while you're shopping they're like driver number two your shower like, driver number two, your shower is ready. Driver number two, your shower is ready.

Luke, I decided I was so inspired. I decided to create a new segment called Gas Station of the Week. This is actually a place in the outer banks of North Carolina. It's called Biscuits and Porn. Well, this is a winning formula. Let me just – oh, yep, there we go. This is a winning formula, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, apparently the food's really good, Luke, but you can also get –

You mean I can get a bacon, egg, and cheese and a magazine full of double Ds. I mean, what's – I don't know what the downside is. Yeah, yeah, that's great that's great uh luke big news out of i want time i want time what do what's the what's like the nastiest truck stop you've ever been to i got stopped at or i stopped at like a stuckies i think in like north georgia or something oh yeah on the way oh yeah and i had this woman who must have had four or five teeth proposition me for sexual acts in the back of it. And I was like, dude, just don't even breathe near me, you absolute heathen. I don't even want to know you.

You should hear my real stories about the worst gas stations I've ever had to go to the bathroom in, Luke. I've seen things that you just, wow, wow. We don't have time to break it down. Dude, this lady blew me a kiss. I mean, that's how gross it was. She would have blew you more than that, Luke. I'll seen things that you just, wow. Wow. We don't have time. This lady blew me a kiss. I mean, that's how gross it was. Oh, she would have done. She would have, she would have blew you more than that. Look, I'll tell you that much.

Uh, Hey, big news in soccer. Luke, our, our, our occasional colleague, Kate Abdo signing a four year exclusive deal with CBS sports paramount. I would love to get a four year deal. And also Luke rate her boxing form. She's got some straight punches. She trains under Deontay Wilder trainer Malik Scott in Los Angeles. She's actually got some form, Luke.

Yeah, yeah, she's doing all right. All right, shout out to Kate. Let's keep it going, Luke. It was showtime kick practice at the old gym not everybody could pull this off though there you go that's decent oh there we go tried to get try to get a little too nifty with it huh look you ever wonder if you were one to two poor life decisions away from being an entirely different person right now in your life? Or even alive. There's a guy named Gizzy Gobbler on the Internet.

I swear this could have been me if I had made a wrong turn halfway through. Let's go to the videotape. From the side. No sleight of hand. What's up, guys? It's your boy, Gizzy Gobbler. I'm back at it again, slurping hot dogs in my parents' driveway. Up to no good, on a Sunday.

Ain't no sleight of hand, tell them haters, get outta here. No sleeves, no shirt, no problem. Three Glizzys. Oh no. Here. Where'd they go? Tell me, tell me I'm hiding them. They're in your lungs, right? That's what everyone thinks?

Oh yeah, oh no. No, I swallowed them boys. No're in your lungs, right? That's what everyone thinks? Oh, no. No, I swallowed them, boys. No hot dog has known victory over me. BC, I dated a couple of glizzy gobblers in college. Did one of them drive an 18-wheeler and were missing teeth? Is that possible? Wow. No, they weren't that bad, but they were some glizzy gobblers let's be oh be very candid about that how do you do that that's so

disgusting at least chew them at least enjoy the process he was yeah he was eating them like they were like dude i don't even eat starburst with that much abandoned i still chew a little bit this fucking guy was just letting them go you know uh luke you're always talking about gains being loyal how loyal are these gains let's congratulate this deadlifter on 600 pounds luke okay all right i mean power lifting is truly a stupid sport let's just be honest about that and finally luke we show too many fails in this space. How about we pour one out for this scooter skateboarder? Big win here, holding this together.

Look at this. That's not easy, Luke. That's extremely difficult. Yeah, that's pretty impressive, right? Well, let's see the dismount here, because so far, so good. Oh, you fucking oaf. That's the shit we got this week. He American history X'd himself.

Yes, yes, he did. Yes, he did. I have one more. Oh, I do have one more. Luke, let me set this up. Thank you, Long Island, Luke. Luke, you remember, I mean, when we talk about donk of the year potential on some people, some people, it's just, oh, I made a good meme

or I'm making you awesome merch ideas, which, by the way, Average Joe, I love it. You know Christian DeGiro, right, Luke? He came to our... Yes, Christian DeGiro, yes. He came to our live show in Vegas. He told me I'm an amateur fighter. He put MK on his balls that time and won a fight.

He had another amateur fight last night. Let's look at the videotape here. Look at this man. Look at this warrior. Oh, he did the Jon Jones Machida bit. You're damn right. Oh, snap. Dude, look at this guy, man.

Look at his crotch. MK on the balls right there. Man, we got to get this guy man look at his crotch mk on the balls right there man we got to get this guy a sponsorship we got to we got to do something we got to make some christian daguerreo like gear that people can buy or something i don't know we gotta do something for that guy first of all christian my hero daguerreo okay damn right do you think he will ever let us corner him coach latore style for one of these fights luke i mean this is this would be our dream right well i don't know the answer to that but the only way he would is if he's stupid so we're gonna find out we gotta interview this guy at least i mean this guy's coming on i mean if you're coming on luke you know what i'm saying he's coming the hell

on congratulations christian all seriousness uh bright future ahead of you congrats man that's amazing yeah yeah really really excited for you you're you look like a true warrior and we appreciate it that's the shit i got this week luke what a show what i mean who else gives you two and a half hours of absolutely brilliant bullshit like this i don't know i don't know the answer to that but here's what i do know i'm gonna cbc tomorrow because tomorrow is stage one of the two-day Spence vs. Crawford media tour. There's going to be an event tomorrow in LA and then an event Wednesday in New York City. So here's what's going to happen. I'm going to see BC tomorrow.

We're going to host that stream from our Jersey City studios. And then we'll be on location on Wednesday. So for Wednesday's show, I think we're going to have something a little bit different prepared for you guys. There will be programming available to you. It's just not going to be a normal live show. So stick around for that just the same. Did I miss any part of that, BC? No, I think people, they would prefer that we got all lit up in a hotel room

and considered banging on camera and told dirty jokes and stuff. People like that kind of content. I don't know. All right. Well, we can probably provide something as simple as that. So be on the lookout for just the same. As a reminder as well, extra credit is currently available up to you. I don't know if it's available on the podcast platforms yet,

but we'll make it that way. We also have the post-fight show and everything else. BC, I saw you wrote a column on Teofimo Lopez. That is up at CBSSports.com. Is that right? Yeah, post-fight column about trying to make sense of that tremendous performance within all that chaos, Luke. Look, I was moved by that performance.

There's no question, man. A lot of questions still, but damn, right? Pretty amazing. So catch BC and I tomorrow from the swamps of New Jersey on the Showtime Sports YouTube channel. And then, of course, again, Wednesday for the live presser in New York City. BC and I will be there as well for that. And, of course, if you have anything else you want out of Showtime,

Showtime.com, you can get a 30-day free trial. If you like it, you can keep it. The store, morningcombat.store for everything else you need. And the email, morningcombat at gmail.com. BC, if you are done, I am as well. I want to thank everyone who watched. Thank you to CBS Sports, to Malka, to Showtime. We'll see you guys tomorrow for Spence vs. Crawford Day 1.

And until then, may all of your gains be loyal.