MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC 308 Recap: Topuria KOs Holloway, Chimaev Submits Whittaker | MORNING KOMBAT

Episode Date: October 28, 2024

What a weekend! The guys are back in studio to recap a historic UFC 308 event that lived up to it's hype. First, Luke and BC react to Ilia Topuria's stunning KO of Max Holloway. We already knew Topuri...a had the potential to be great. But after becoming the first man to knock down and knock out future Hall of Famer (and fellow P4Per) Max Holloway, does the MMA world owe Luke Thomas an apology after the results of UFC 308? Max Holloway fought his balls off in defeat, gave Topuria issues in first 2 rounds (despite judges barely rewarding him for his efforts). Who should be next for Ilia Topuria and Max Holloway? Does this lock up Fighter of the Year for Topuria? And would it be wrong for Ilia to receive P4P No. 1 votes after his last two performances?  In the co-main Khamzat Chimaev silenced critics, restored hype by breaking Robert Whittaker's jaw in Round 1. Although he entered as the No. 13-ranked middleweight, was Chimaev's dominant performance over a former champion and living legend like Whittaker enough to justify UFC to allow him to skip past even Sean Strickland for the next shot at DDP's 185-pound title. Plus, the guys discuss the Magomed Ankalaev, Shara Bullet & the rest of UFC 308 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Reveille Reveille Boys Look at us now tip to tip Oh Jesus Oh ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho Do you want a margarita? Yes! My God! It's us doing what we love for Morning Combat. Do you want a margarita? Yes! Oh, my God!
Starting point is 00:00:29 It's us doing what we love. Two, three, two, three. It's time to bang. Informa. I lick it bum-bum-down. Hey, we're back at it. It's Halloween edition of Morning Combat combat live October 28th, Monday, 2024.
Starting point is 00:00:50 That's a Mario to my right. It's me too. Cheesy. And we are, of course, I having a little fun here, Halloween celebration, but we're back with a very important show because Luke Thomas will be
Starting point is 00:01:02 providing live fellatio upon Ilya Teporia as we break down UFC 308. And a very special guest, 1230 p.m. Eastern, stick around for pound-for-pound ranked 24-year-old sensation, Jesse Bam Rodriguez, who's back in November on the Boots Ennis doubleheader there on DAZN. We'll be chatting with that fella. So we're going to have a lot of fun. We'll have you seeing this November on the Boots Ennis doubleheader there on DAZN. We'll be chatting with that fella. So we're going to have a lot of fun.
Starting point is 00:01:27 We'll have you seen the shit on the way out. Luke, you were the one that said, BC, we got it. We got to dress up. We got to do this. We got to do it. Okay. So if you're going to do it, you better do it. And you did it.
Starting point is 00:01:36 I did it. I got Mario with a little extra belly here. Those are some high nips you got right there. I got some big old nippies here. Yeah. Some pizza pies right there. Yeah. Yeah. Some pizza pies.
Starting point is 00:01:45 This is my outfit that I'm going to use to go and just fucking stunt on the block on you hoes out there. Especially now that Ilya Teporia won, and I just got one thing to say, BC. Yeah, what's that? Suck on my fat nuts. Suck on my nuts. Do you know what? Suck on my fat nuts. Suck on my fat nuts. Do you know what? Suck on my fat nuts. Suck on my fat nuts.
Starting point is 00:02:06 Woo! If only you had the balls to pick them by knockout, which you didn't. I didn't. If I can be honest, in a moment of seriousness, in a true moment of seriousness, two things I didn't imagine. One, I honestly didn't think he was going to put his lights out and he did two dead serious watching max laid out like that bothered me a lot more than i thought it yeah watching robert whitaker tap in a half second bothered me a lot when you put those two together what a horrible night but that was more confusing than it was it was because i was like we talked about this before like usually chokes over the jaw you can
Starting point is 00:02:42 kind of set your watch to one mississippi two because they have to kind of grind it, but that was like immediate. So I was like, what the fuck went wrong? And then there's a picture of like half of his jaw missing and you're like, oh, right. And then Chris Barnett heard himself celebrating. I mean, it was just a rough night for my favorite fighters. Yeah, Chris Barnett.
Starting point is 00:02:56 Well, I mean, it's like, dude, you're 5'5 and 9,000 pounds. It's not a great combination for joint health. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, there you go. So we're going to have a great show for you today for sure. I'm excited about it. We're back where we belong here, back in the studio. You can buy merch, by the way, if you like the show that much,
Starting point is 00:03:13 by going to morningcombat.store right now. Getting 10% off using our code LIVE10. That's L-I-V-E 1-0. We've got some of the best merch in this game. You see, I've got a question. How do you pronounce the name of Bam's opponent? I think it's Guevara. It is.
Starting point is 00:03:30 So I asked my wife because there's no two dots over the U. Yes. Which would make it, that would make it Guevara. So I asked my wife, here's what she said. You ready? Casares. No. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Pedro Guevara. Guevara. Pedro Guevara. Yeah. Guevara. Guevara. Pedro Guevara. Yeah. Guevara. Guevara. That's the dulcet tones of Miss Thomas. There she is.
Starting point is 00:03:51 Shout out that lady. Let's bring in the third member of our team there on the ones and twos. They call him Long Island Luke. And he had a great performance this Saturday on the main. Did he perform Felicia? I think he did it on himself. On the main card minute over there. Long Island.
Starting point is 00:04:10 Luke, how are you feeling today on this? How are you? Did you dress up for Halloween, bitch? I didn't. You know, I considered it. I was talking to my girlfriend about it. I've told him I'm not on camera on Mondays, so I've felt it. How do we how do we fix that? It's a Ken question.
Starting point is 00:04:22 You know, we got to talk to the guys back. He's high. I mean, I don't know. He's baked. But uh yeah we had a good weekend on the main car minute we did hit the bet generator ilia taporia by ko under two and a half rounds explain explain to the fellows what the bet generator is so i basically put a blind poll in the live chat you just vote for a b c or d you have no idea what you're voting for and then i reveal each column as we go so they voted for like a let's say and that ended up being like A, let's say, and that ended up being Ilya. Then they voted for C and that ended up being KO.
Starting point is 00:04:49 They voted for B. That ended up being under two and a half. We take the final prop, even if it sucks. By the way, Whitaker fight. We had Whitaker over three and a half by sub. So it's really far off sometimes. But when it hits, it hits. All right.
Starting point is 00:05:02 Do you think Long Island Luke dressed up as a degenerate gambler and pothead? Because I think he wins. Your costume is guy who uses meth. You nailed it. There you go. We love that guy. Luke is too excited this year for the big Thursday night Halloween. It is.
Starting point is 00:05:18 It is. First of all, she dressed up yesterday for a Halloween party on our neighborhood park. Oh, wow. I mean, we have to read Halloween party on our neighborhood park. Oh, wow. I mean, we have to read Halloween books to her every day. She's begging to watch The Nightmare Before Christmas, which, by the way, is a fantastic movie. You love Tim Burton. Dude, that movie took three years to make.
Starting point is 00:05:38 They had to do it piece by piece. The soundtrack is good. Like, that's an amazing movie, but it's getting a little tiresome, so I'm ready for it to be over. And as I've told you, we get absolutely run over with children in our neighborhood so you should let her watch edward scissorhand nah i let her watch corpse bride which tim burton also makes okay she liked it and we watched frankenweenie which is also i don't know if it's tim burton but it's tim burton-esque uh and she liked that as well i love that title that's great frankenweenie
Starting point is 00:06:02 yeah the dog's name is fucking sparky and then they the movie's called frank and weenie i don't get it but whatever i hear a weird echo in my ear i don't know i hear a weird echo as well yeah i don't they'll figure it out probably not but that's fine you know i mean shout out to the team back there big fans of them um yeah i mean look it's time for all of us to eat a eat a big old plate of that uh georgian spanish humble pie coming up But there's our socials. You can follow us, including our own YouTube channels. Thank you as well to the extended MK community for all the support across all of that,
Starting point is 00:06:32 including Long Island Luke's mission over there on the main card minute. One big happy family right here. But without any further ado, oh, I got to show off the... Yeah, look at these tats you've got. Now, will I get... You could absolutely be a UFC fighter like this. Look look at that huh will i get will i get stabbed at all on the way home is really the uh you know when i when i make that train change over there in new haven um will i will it would
Starting point is 00:06:57 it be a problem i think it'll fit right in if i if anything about new haven uh yeah you'll be just fine there all right thank you very much all right hey let's get into our show right now let's do it topic number one you already knew what it was ufc 308 went down in abu dhabi so you knew it was a loaded card and it featured one of the best main events on paper boy did it give us something to talk about there bonnie ray yes ilia toporia did the thing third round knockout breaking open a very competitive first defensive as 145-pound title against living legend Max Holloway. But it got violent from there.
Starting point is 00:07:33 In fact, Luke Thomas, we already knew Ilya obviously had the potential to be great, if not break through our TV screens as the next face of the UFC. But after becoming the first fighter to not only knock down, how about knock out Max Holloway? Does the MMA world owe Luke Thomas? I don't know. An apology at this point?
Starting point is 00:07:56 That's what I wrote in it. What say you, Luke? Because I've seen you've gone on Instagram. I feel like you're using this victory by Ilya to right a lifetime of wrongs that people have done to you. First of all, I do hear that echo. If there's anything that can be done about that, it is detectable. You heard it too, right?
Starting point is 00:08:12 Are there headphones on the ground there? Yeah, but the volume's off. It shouldn't be. I don't quite know what it is. I mean, here's the thing, right? I saw some people replying, well, Ilya was favored to win. Not super significantly, but I think it was a minus 200 or so to win. So it's not like picking him is you're picking the favorite.
Starting point is 00:08:31 But you'll recall on April 15th when we did that morning combat in this very studio, this was just off the heels of UFC 300. What I had argued was it doesn't matter who fights Ilya Teporia next. It's the wrong time to fight him. And we all love Max. And again, watching Max kind of stretch it out like that was terrible. But this is what I mean. This is the guy of the moment. He's
Starting point is 00:08:51 arguably, I don't know if he's pound for pound number one, but he's probably no worse than two at this point, given what he did in 2024. We'll talk about it later. I clearly believe I think you're a fucking Rube if you think anyone other than Ilya Teporya is fighter of the year. Let's slow down on rube. It's a debate, okay?
Starting point is 00:09:06 If you go back in April 15th, yes, by now I think it dawned on people more so that Ilya was very good. But I made this declaration back in April following UFC 300 because as good as Max is, this is the time of Ilya Teporia. He's by far the best featherweight that we have. Again, he is on the precipice of becoming pound for pound number one in the sport if he's not already there. If you go back to the comments on IG, Brian Campbell, they were all like,
Starting point is 00:09:34 Luke sucks. He doesn't know anything. This take is going to age like milk. The whole nine yards. I went one by fucking one on those. I was like, how'd you like my prediction now, you fucking... Like Steve Buscemi and Billy Madison just one by one. Just showing up. I'm like, according to MoviePoopShoot.com, it says that you didn't like this. That's what it was. This is the point I wanted to make about Ilya. It was obvious
Starting point is 00:09:56 that he was good, right? Everyone could kind of see that he was good. There was denial about how good he was because of some of the legitimate questions about Max's durability excuse me about Volkanovsky about Volk's durability because he went out so easily but the point I tried to make was it didn't matter that he came back that quickly obviously it didn't help him but no one is going to stand up to his punching power his accuracy and his ability to find the target he could have taken three months, six months, nine months, three years, six years, nine years.
Starting point is 00:10:29 It didn't matter. You can see if somebody has the power and the ability, because it's not just power, the ability to put Max Holloway's lights out, Volkanovsky doesn't have a prayer. I saw that he was this talented a while ago. I am glad it has now dawned on the rest of some of these jabronis who are a little bit late to the party.
Starting point is 00:10:49 Welcome. The water's warm. Let's put a fence. Let's put a limit on the amount that you can bathe in your own urine here and celebrate. I will bathe in my own urine! You think just because people didn't think that Teporia would knock out Holloway that they don't think Teporia is a great fighter.
Starting point is 00:11:06 I didn't think he would knock out Holloway either. I said he would beat Max. No, but your reaction is saying that. So let me speak for the mob out there that has just eaten scoops of humble pie and say let's not take it too far. But I think it's the old Larry Merchant quote that I love to use that he said at the end of Manny Pacquiao versus Miguel Cotto that rings the most truth here.
Starting point is 00:11:25 We knew Taperia had the potential to be great. He's better than we thought. That's what we saw against Holloway because those were two. I mean, look, Max Holloway fought his ass off in rounds one and two. I didn't think the judges properly fully reflected that. It may have been that flash knockdown at the end of round one that upon replay was a slip. They may have ruled that a knockdown.
Starting point is 00:11:44 Maybe that's why two of the three judges gave Ilya that first round. But no matter how you sliced it, Max was in that fight, landing big shots. In fact, there was a point at the start of round three that I was like, man, this is as beautiful a high-speed chess duel of elite striking talent that I've seen in a long time. Kraft versus Kraft, that was great stuff. But Ilya didn't just blow open that, you know, fight that was on pace to be, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:08 maybe a contender for fight of the year just in how it was playing out, the genius of it, the speed. And look, he busted through. That right cross that hit Max right in the nose as a knockout punch would ruin, you know, 90% of active fighters. But the way that he chased him down
Starting point is 00:12:22 and then looped in that left hook above the guard yes all the things you said about him were true I think for a lot of us we had to see it again we had to see it without the potential of asterisks of maybe did Volkanovsky come back too quick after being head kick KO'd and we had to see it against Max look at what he did holy shit you were right any feelings people had watching him were right. And I think the more I learn about him and the deep dive I did ahead of this, and Max even said it himself afterwards when they said, look, you know, are you good with Ilya? And he's like, oh, I love him. I respect him. It was a lot of theater to play up this fight to make it bigger that we saw some trash talk back and forth. But Ilya is not only the craft inside the cage, seems like a class person outside of it
Starting point is 00:13:02 and seems like he really takes you know the the the humility side with family and all that super serious and the amount of effort and care look i mean you saw that close-up they did uh leading in with his house and that all the stuff he has in those white coat doctors and the next level that he prepares i mean this guy is absolutely luke the real deal and there can never be doubt anymore after this 2024 year. So, like, holy shit. And it wasn't just me reacting this way. Long Island, Luke, can we throw to the cage-side reaction?
Starting point is 00:13:32 This is Volkanovski, Marab, Kyle, Boraglio, Ohio. Boys, big shots. This is Alex thinking, I might be next. Oh, do I want that next? That's the question. Dude, Rob's at every fucking place. Dude, he's everywhere. Yeah, I mean, first of all, do you remember when Max beat Justin and Ilya was cage side
Starting point is 00:14:01 and everyone pretended that Ilya was scared? The most bullshit overreaction that ever lived on the internet guy just was like normally looking around. They're like, look at this bedwetting pussy. Yeah. How did that work out for all you fucking jabronis who were doubting him? Listen,
Starting point is 00:14:16 I don't know. It may have been like two guys to be fair. No, it wasn't dude. Everyone does this. Everyone goes after me. And then when I get proven wrong, they all jump on me.
Starting point is 00:14:24 When I get proven, right all jump on me when i get proven right they do this fucking bullshit game where it's like dude it's like five people shut the fuck up it was uh she's talking to too cheesy right now that's right i don't want to get stabbed by too cheesy no there was people coming out of the woodwork too and i understand it i understand it there was for people who may not have been as invested in like who's the next big guy they weren't maybe paying as close attention obviously there again there were some questions about is this the best Volk had to offer in terms of resistance with physical and then whatever mental difficulties there may have been from being recently KO'd I understand I understand that I
Starting point is 00:14:58 understand that but it was over the top however I want to question one thing I don't know if he's a good humble family guy or not Ilya Teporya. You had mentioned that Max has said he does this stuff for you guys, which is most certainly true, this kind of shit-talking thing that fighters get forced into to build a career. That is obviously true. I have no idea. But I'm going to make the same point after the fight that I made before the fight,
Starting point is 00:15:21 which is I don't know what kind of person he is. He might be a milkshake duck. He might be somebody who is good or terrible, I don't know what kind of person he is. He might be a milkshake duck. He might be somebody who is good or terrible. I don't know. Max? He might say the N-word at the mic at MSG. And then all the fans will be like, yay! Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:33 I don't know who he is. But in terms of what he offers in the cage, it has been very clear to me for a long time, he's fucking awesome. He's awesome. And again, I didn't think he would put Max's lights out, but I did think he would beat him, and I thought that would be the thing that finally got people to say,
Starting point is 00:15:48 we have to stop denying him. Also, I'd like to make one more point, if I may. Please do. People being like, oh, he fought an old Max. He fought an old Volkanovski. Once again, shut your whore mouth. Shut your whore mouth. All right, all right.
Starting point is 00:16:01 What are we doing here? Seriously. He did not fight an old Volkanovski he did not fight a guy who was well past his prime in max holloway he took the belt off of volkanovski and again we have a resurgent max holloway here who just had the win of his maybe not the win of his career but one of the best wins of his career just before this upper weight class what he probably has done is initiated their decline that's a big difference versus getting someone who's already on the decline being the guy that tipped him over to send them into
Starting point is 00:16:30 decline it's two different things that happen there you got to watch fight sports long enough to know the difference suck it bitches woo it's a me mario it's a me i sound like Jar Jar Binks don't I oh shit oh shit it's my day it's my fucking day forget about the mileage not only is Max 32 still he was one of the top 10 pound for pound fighters coming in
Starting point is 00:17:02 that's what made this matchup so special and fought his ass off again over those first two rounds so we were one of the top ten pound for pound fighters coming in. That's what made this matchup so special. And fought his ass off again over those first two rounds. So we were shocked. Volkl was shocked sitting sideline. I want you to watch this take from Dustin Poirier. He was just as shocked on the UFC desk. So you've been in there with Max twice.
Starting point is 00:17:20 You've got to be impressed, though, with the still undefeated Ilya Tupor. I am more than impressed. I'm blown away, man. Not that I didn't think it could happen. Of course it could happen. Teporia is an incredible boxer, big power, sits down on all his punches, great technique. I just didn't think it would happen. Just look at, you saw him standing in the octagon with that rose in his hand.
Starting point is 00:17:36 Now it's time to give him his flowers because he is everything he said he was. He said what he's going to do, and he went out there, and he did it. He knocked out first man in the world to knock out a legend in Max Holloway, one of the best 45-pound fighters that's ever walked the earth. Now, Luke, I think, to bring up what we were talking about earlier, I think this lifts Tepuria as the favorite for fighter of the year, and I think he will end up winning fighter of the year. But I do want to say, even as incredible as these two victories were
Starting point is 00:18:06 to put him in this spot, it's not a slam dunk to me because Pereira did defend the title three times, twice against former champions, all three by finish, in a 175 day span. So I'm not going to discount that, but yes, I do believe this puts Tepori in the driver's seat. This was
Starting point is 00:18:21 as big of a breakout year. I mean, you beat two guys in the top 10 for pound for pound, both by vicious KO in the same year. That's huge. But what about that other thing that we touched on? Would it be acceptable, and I'm going to do mine right after this show on the train home for CBS Sports, my top 10 pound for pound,
Starting point is 00:18:39 would it legitimately be acceptable to have Ilya Teporia as pound for pound number one, considering Islam Mahachev, Jon Jones is going to be the last guy in that room, we already knew that, and Pereira in that mix. Could you see Teporia gaining votes for number one pound for pound for most? By the way, someone's got to tell Matt Ryle he doesn't get the captions right on the tweets. He fucked it up, but okay.
Starting point is 00:18:58 That's an off-camera conversation. I want to kill him on the air. That's actually why I said it. Shouts to Matt Ryle who can't listen. Okay. Can we back up a point? Do you want to get into on the air. That's actually why I said it. Shouts to Matt Ryle, who can't listen. Okay. Can we back up a point? Do you want to get into Fighter of the Year now? I think we just nailed Fighter of the Year. I was going to ask you.
Starting point is 00:19:13 We didn't. We need to have a conversation. Well, we're going to have that conversation ad nauseum in December, but what do you got to say about it? Go ahead. A couple of things I think are really important to describe and understand. Let me ask you a question very simply, and we don't know the answer to this,
Starting point is 00:19:24 but what does your gut tell you? Could somebody back-to-back beat Ilya, excuse me, could somebody back-to-back beat Volk and Max coming in on short notice? Could even Ilya Teporia do it coming in on short notice? I seriously have my doubts that anybody could do that. I don't think you can actually do that. That's the first thing I just want people to start thinking about. But more to the point, people need to understand strength of schedule matters. What Poiton did is, I mean, there's no denying what he did is extremely impressive. We're talking about the upper elite here, right? Sure. We're parsing whose elite was better, not is one guy good and one guy bad. But makes Poiton uh close to the top of the list is that he beat
Starting point is 00:20:06 more guys he beat three and he did it on short notice essentially in a couple of those instances but the problem is this again I don't think anyone Ilya Teporia included could beat Max and Volk on short notice I just don't believe that that's actually possible. But the bigger point is, those guys, like, dude, Yuri Prochocka, I know we love him. He doesn't use defense. The quality of a win when you beat a pound-for-pound guy like Max Holloway and a pound-for-pound guy like Volk, that is infinitely more difficult than, yes, beating good fighters on difficult circumstances. That's ultimately what you're arguing for Poetan he didn't beat as good a fighter he beat a lesser quality of fighter but on a very difficult circumstance yeah it's two of the greatest calendar years I've ever seen going head to head I mean it's insane that's right so but the point I want to make is at the end of the day
Starting point is 00:20:57 somebody could go in there and do again this is my hunch that you could go in there and obviously beat the guys that Poetan did on short notice. I don't think many people could do that. Poiton did. I just don't think it's flatly possible to take Max Holloway on short notice and KO him. I don't think it's possible to take Volkanovski on short notice and KO him. It simply cannot be done. It is a much more difficult task to accomplish what Ilya did, even if it's two wins versus three. Let's be very clear about that. Yeah, Ilya gets the nod.
Starting point is 00:21:24 And as close a race I've seen since they screwed over Adesanya in 2019, I agree with that. But what about this pound-for-pound top 10 as our sound guy Ken is going to come in and just get rid of that snap, crackle, and pop that's going on? Look, I'm still going to have Islam at number one, spoiler alert. But, Luke, do you think it's all right if I could speak like too cheesy would? Like Chet Hanks? I mean, really, I'm asking you how big is your erection? How could, could this man be number one right now based on that, based on, on this year,
Starting point is 00:21:53 based on where we're at right now? Islam's not overly active, is he right now? No. He's not, although he's not been inactive. His year wasn't as good as Volk's. So there's, or excuse me, for uh to pour you so there's that i'm a little hesitant to put him pound for pound number one i still feel like the body of work overall for islam has been a little bit better um this is just a little bit more to it uh i think
Starting point is 00:22:20 ilia needs to get another win over a top contender or somebody else that the public would recognize as somebody else who is a credible challenge and or somebody on that pound-for-pound list in order for that to really happen. But I'll say this, he's number two. This is going to speed up UFC getting into Spain. Before the fight, Dana said, we're looking at Barcelona and Madrid,
Starting point is 00:22:40 and we want to be there at some point in 25. Is Ilya Teporia's next fight on Spanish soil? I don't know how it's not, right? Other than if there's a logistical challenge, right, because they can't find the right venue. We've kind of discussed this before. I'm not saying you couldn't take Ilya Teporia to Barcelona, but it's a little weird to do that.
Starting point is 00:23:01 It's not quite as straightforward as some folks might think. But I do think it happens. And the basic reason is this. I know that they wanted him to fight Volk at UFC 312. That's a hell of a turnaround. I mean, it wasn't a super brutal fight, but I imagine he's going to want some recovery. If I'm at his star level, I'm not accepting that. Also, you have to fly to fucking Australia.
Starting point is 00:23:19 And like you said, I'm not going to his backyard. Devin Haney did it against Kambosis because it made sense at the time. Because the money was coming australian pay-per-view and the belts the guy had the belts you wanted to go do that there was a rematch clause okay i understand that but that's none of those factors are really in play here and it seems to me it's like dude you've got a guy here be very clear about it this is the moment right now right now is the moment to make good on the star potential of Ilya Teporya. That's a perfect tease to get us into the next topic, which we will in a second.
Starting point is 00:23:50 But one more thing. Can you show the video of Teporya walking back with his lovely lady and the belts on his shoulder? I mentioned I'm not seeing many missteps from Teporya publicly, except for maybe that one. Yeah, I don't like this at all. Dump that fake-ass WWE shit in the trash. Like, I know Dana said afterwards that Dana now regrets not putting putting the bmf title in line and you definitely could have i feel i actually align with dana's original statement real title fights don't involve bmf but i get the symbolism of what your boy's trying to say by wearing that but it almost downgrades what was like one of the
Starting point is 00:24:20 greatest breakthrough performances i've seen in a long time. I didn't like it at all. Again, of all the missteps I've seen, this one to me was very annoying. And I know he did say nice things about Max Holloway after the fight. And I genuinely believe he does understand Max Holloway is a legitimate credentialed opponent of the highest order. But going and wearing that belt like that when you just KO'd a guy, to me is very disrespectful to Max Holloway. Also, you're above that. You're a champion.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Now you should be calling out the next champions, which he did, and we'll get to, but like F the BMF. You're the legitimate champion. I didn't agree with that. I didn't. It bothered me, actually. The idea, though, of maximizing the star power now of a guy who could legitimately be the successor to Conor McGregor and the lineage of sort of
Starting point is 00:25:02 face of the franchise. Let's talk about topic number two, the idea of who should not only be next for Ilya, but also for Max. We'll get to that. But although Dana White appears to be dead set on booking Alexander Volkanovsky next in the title rematch for Toporio, and we'll get to the why in a second. Luke, the question I was going to ask you is, is it time for UFC brass to think bigger for Ilya about his next fight? Considering everything I said about the next star and consider this, in this modern era
Starting point is 00:25:29 of UFC where the financial focus is different and people can argue that's why we don't see as many crossover stars anymore. Luke, he's not only the one that breaks that mold, but he breaks the mold because he can advance into markets that they want to get in badly, like Spain that they've never been before. Maybe even Georgia, if we keep seeing more great Georgian fighters break out of there. Is it time now to look beyond
Starting point is 00:25:49 the featherweight division, even though he's only one title defense in, given we've got something close to another Conor? I mean, I'm not comparing the numbers. I'm just saying we've got a spark that is as fresh and real as any star on the rise we've seen in a long time. Can I tell you, I don't even I mean, the Conor comparisons are inevitable. It it's 145 he did the belt snatching the tattoos look
Starting point is 00:26:10 similar like i get the connor comparisons and even the one i'm about to say doesn't really make sense because of some other issues that ilia has had but to me the way in which he mowed through the top of 145 the way he did bc, it's much more Jon Jones than anything else. Conor never defended the 145 belt. This was the title defense of Ilya, and he, by the way, knocked down Max Holloway, first guy to do that, and then knocked him out, first guy to do that. He did both of those achievements.
Starting point is 00:26:38 You can't lose sight of that. I really disagree that this is more Conor. To me, it's a little Conor. Well, it's more just because Conor was the last, so it's a little connor it's actually well it's more just because connor was the last so it's like this we're watching i understand but i mean in terms of like what he's doing to the division sure it reminds me much more of what jones did on his rise now that being said i listen there's no denying that a toporia versus Islam fight is wanted by the fans. And the job of any promoter is quite basic, but sometimes difficult, but basic nonetheless. Put on fights that people
Starting point is 00:27:11 want to pay money to see. That's it. That's why Netflix and MVP is putting on Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson. It's a stupid fight, but people want to pay money to see it, and therefore, it will get made. For that reason, BC, you could make that fight. And you could also make the case, we already know that Teporia's power carries up to 55 because of the Jai Herbert fight. It's not difficult to make an argument to say, could Teporia win that? Does he have a legitimate chance at winning that? I think he does. I think most people now at this point would say he's a real threat to Islam. I don't want to see that fight next. I really disagree with that for a couple of reasons.
Starting point is 00:27:46 One, are we really going to have three super fights for Islam Makachev all be against 45ers? That's a great point. Like, I mean, that seems a little bit much to me. He had two Volkanovski fights, now Tuporia if they make it. Seems much more I would rather see, if it happens, Islam Makachev versus Shavkat Rachmanov. That to me is a lot more fun. I don't know if that fight makes sense either. You mean provided Shavkat beats Bilal for the title. Again, provided we get to a place where Shavkat
Starting point is 00:28:12 is the champion. So that's the first thing I'd say. How many times is he going to fight 45ers before we've had enough? Second of all, guys, I think people are very much discounting how tough the 45 contenders are we'll see what happens between mozart of loyve and aljamain sterling that might not be the sexiest fight
Starting point is 00:28:32 whoever wins that one to get to teporia but that's a tough fight either way sure more to the point you got volk waiting in the wings more to the point diego lopez has a date with destiny too and i don't think he's quite the fighter that Ilya Tepori is, but he doesn't have to be. He's dangerous as shit everywhere. That, to me— And he has two fan bases, in a sense, because he's Brazilian, but he fights out and represents Mexico.
Starting point is 00:28:54 And they can put that fight on any kind of Mexican holiday because they both speak Spanish. Obviously, one's Brazilian and lives in Mexico, so he's semi-adopted. Ilya's not— Ilya's been adopted, too. Well, they're not going to adopt the Spanish guy, but he is capable of engaging with Latin American media in a way that can boost profiles.
Starting point is 00:29:10 That, to me, is the fight to make. You could do the Volk one if you wanted to do it again. I'm not really sure what the appetite is now that you've seen what he can do to Max Holloway, but the idea that we're just going to fuck off on all these really good featherweight contenders, and frankly, let's be clear, really good featherweight fights, important fights.
Starting point is 00:29:27 When you accept the belt, what you are saying is, I'm going to give this next contender a shot at it by being active. I'm going to keep the division in motion. And right now, BC, would you not agree? It's all jumbled at the top. You got Max, you got Lopez,
Starting point is 00:29:42 you got, again, this semi-ish, number one contender-ish fight between Sterling and Evloy. And all of those guys are dangerous. All of those guys are good. All of those fights are good. What is the rush exactly? Because it's rare to get somebody that's this red hot
Starting point is 00:29:58 with this much buzz who can be potentially both things at once. Your biggest face in the franchise, biggest pay-per-view star, and your best fighter at the same time. This is a spirit of something coming that we haven't felt since Conor. And what did Conor do as soon as he knocked out Jose Aldo? He was looking north business-wise. Let's move up. Let's fight RDA next.
Starting point is 00:30:16 A fight that didn't happen, but that was the direction he went. Ended up with two Nate Diaz fights. But Luke, it goes against everything I want, in a sense, because I'm sick of every time somebody wins a title, the next conversation is, should they move up right away and try to become champ champ? Because it becomes almost like one championship, where that's probably more gimmick heavy to have interesting main events,
Starting point is 00:30:34 but they just constantly throw their champions against one another. But I just think Ilya is of that rare mix, where when I see him talking trash to Conor McGregor, and we're going to show that in a second, I'm like, I kind of want some stupid crossover fight like that. I kind of want to see the fan in me, not the journalist in me, not anything like that. The fan in me right now is so blown away at what Ilya just did that my first thought is,
Starting point is 00:30:57 can you do that against Islam? And it goes against everything that we don't want, which is what you said, Mahachev, fighting only people moving up in weight, champion versus champion unnecessarily. But when you've got a star of this potential and magnitude, I not only rush him to Spain, I'm literally thinking now, Luke Thomas, what is the biggest B-side I can put him in with? Even if UFC doesn't think like that anymore, even if it's not about one big pay-per-view overachieving
Starting point is 00:31:22 and carrying them financially for six months, it's not about that. That's not the model overachieving and carrying them financially for six months. It's not about that. That's not the model anymore. But that is what sparks interest in casual fans and sparks a new revolution. They have to realize what they have here in this potential star. I just think if anyone would – there'd be reason to break all the rules. It's your guy right now. It is.
Starting point is 00:31:39 I think you put Ilya – I mean, I guess Volk's going to compete in Sydney, right? At 312. I got sound to give you pieces on that if you want. Let's go first to Dana White on why Volk should be next. Volkanovski is one of those guys. We're not going to say no to Volkanovski. He's been that guy for us anytime we needed him. You know, he was on this run like Adesanya and like Alex is on right now. When things don't go our way and you got to call a guy,
Starting point is 00:32:07 Volkanovski has always been that guy. He really was. And, you know, for him to ask for it's nobody. I don't think anybody's in this room going, oh, this is ridiculous or crazy. And who wouldn't want to see it again?
Starting point is 00:32:20 So there's Dana saying, let's go with the company man, Volkanovski, who deserves it. But Volk's got a caveat at why it might not be next let's listen how would you feel about going to Spain waiting for for the fight in Spain and and all of his fans over there look man I'll be honest I love Sydney you know I'm like I want to fight in Sydney but Madrid sounds good too as long as as long as
Starting point is 00:32:41 I'm not waiting too long that's a big problem for I just want to, I would love for him to have his moment in Spain and like, you know, and fight there and that. I just, hopefully we're not waiting years for it. You know, that's the only problem. If they could get that done as soon as possible, you know what I mean? Mate, he deserves it. So Luke, he's saying yeah,
Starting point is 00:33:03 but he's also giving you that caveat of he doesn't want to wait too long, Volk. He wants to just get back and be active. He's not going to wait for Spain to open up and pull a Michael Chandler and sit out. Which I understand. But Ilya, though, doesn't seem to be talking a lot about Volk. Here's to Ilya on Mahachev. Thank you. Just over here, Ilya.
Starting point is 00:33:21 In a hypothetical fight against Islam, how do you see that fight going? If it goes to the ground, do you feel confident that you could out grapple him or would you try to keep it standing? My mindset is always the same. I'm always looking to achieve things that no one could. So someone could submit him, I will be the first one to submit him any specific submission? now I heard some love from some idiots but it's going to happen dude I'm just telling you
Starting point is 00:33:56 when I hear him say I'll be the first to submit Islam the fan in me wants to see that right now even if it breaks all the rules but there's the other player involved and that is Conor McGregor who put out a bunch of tweets about that and then brett okamoto told the ilia about it here's his interesting reaction did you know he tweeted about you yeah yeah conor mcgregor wrote good little fighter too small for anything substantial he was getting chewed up in there i don't know what to say he i'm telling you him yeah he's a fake he fakes the comeback
Starting point is 00:34:29 every time he insults everyone in the ufc he's like i don't care about anyone i don't respect anyone bro you you're sick you have some problems to fix in your in your mind you know you need to take some classes of respect or have to trade to the people because you're gonna end up really really bad when when you follow this kind of values in your life you're gonna end up really bad so ask to god to don't cross the paths with me never ever because i'm gonna fuck you up whenever i'm going to see you fucking a little bit. So, Luke, basically, Teporia's like, F off, McGregor.
Starting point is 00:35:12 It seems like, obviously, he'd be willing to do that. Is it? We don't do that fight next, right? We don't do that fight. That's not the fight. Let's just be very clear. Ilya Teporia smashes Conor McGregor at this stage. Oh, yes. But it's like, if you want to make somebody
Starting point is 00:35:23 from an overnight star into a quadruple global star. So, Ken, that TV's on. That's the one that's making noise. We're hearing the echo off of it. Yep. There you go. All right, so you say let's stay in this division. I would like to stop playing.
Starting point is 00:35:38 Did you see what Conor McGregor said, game? Okay. Because it just seems deeply irrelevant. Then I agree. Diego Lopez, I want much more than a valkyrie match i don't think valk is going to improve on that i don't i don't think he does either he could make it maybe go a little bit longer depending on how things go but dude and we didn't really talk about it it's not just a function of like is ilia powerful yes of course
Starting point is 00:35:58 he has tremendous knockout power but it's a little bit more than that he has a very very patient but unique ability to problem solve based on what you're giving him establish patterns change patterns he's an accurate puncher but the thing i want to point like how do you get someone who's accurate and powerful how do you make good use of that you have to have them with a decent fight iq and they have to be able to problem solve based on what they've been given. And it doesn't matter whether it's Max, it doesn't matter whether it's Volkanovski, he problem solves his way into landing things of significance. None of it
Starting point is 00:36:32 is by accident, none of it is fortuitous, although there was a little bit of that because of the way Max defended, but in general he finds targets and lands on them cleanly because he is able to do that with solutions he's concocted in the middle of the fight that's why i want to see him put on his back by somebody
Starting point is 00:36:53 like maha chev and see him work his way out of that i mean i know we gotta wait we gotta take our time we gotta see what happens here uh it seems dana's gonna do volk anyway but will they make will they make Ilya go to Australia and will he accept it? I don't think he accepts that in Australia. Like, you're going to make Ilya go all the way. I mean, I'm usually the guy that's like when fighters are like, I'm the one who calls the shots now.
Starting point is 00:37:15 I'm like, no, you're not. Like, you're absolutely not. However, I do feel like Ilya is probably, I mean, because he can unlock a new market and he just did what seemed to me almost the impossible basically over the weekend. I feel like they're not going to be too upset if he's like, hey, I'm not going to fucking Australia. But what they might do
Starting point is 00:37:35 is they might make it an interim title for whoever headlines that Volk card. They might do that. Oh, so Volk versus Diego Lopez for the interim title? Right, which doesn't make sense in the sense that your champion is not in recess. Yeah, that's a number one contender fight. But it's basically a glorified number one contender, yes.
Starting point is 00:37:50 There's one other name that wants to be in the sweepstakes. Let's see the tweet here from the living legend himself. Dustin Poirier says, I want Max or Ilya next. Luke, would you agree that it would make a lot more sense, potentially, for Dustin to fight Max next? I mean, he's not in the Ilya conversation, right? It'd be weird for Ilya to go up to 55 and fight Dustin. In a non-title fight, yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:10 So let's not do that. I don't quite understand that. Let's hear from Max Holloway, and we'll talk about what could be next for him. He believes, Luke, a third fight with Poirier is the perfect fight, considering Dustin's talking about it being a retirement fight.
Starting point is 00:38:22 It's not Dustin Poirier's last fight, but I think if you can be his last fight and get one back, it would be sad, but at the same time, you know, a win for you. Hey, that'd be nice. The Diamond, sign me up, bro. I love that guy. I got nothing but respect for the guy,
Starting point is 00:38:37 but he is up 2-0 against my ass, and I don't have the best luck against people 2-0 against me, so I guess I got to try it again. So, Luke, I want to ask you this. Max said afterwards in the cage that he'll be back. And look, for the reinventions he's had, the renaissances, it's hard to doubt that, even with this devastating loss.
Starting point is 00:38:56 Do you want to see Max stay in contention at 145, play the pay-per-view main event BMF route, or move up to lightweight full-time? And I'll include the Poirier fight as a possibility in this discussion. Play the pay-per-view main event BMF route or move up to lightweight full time. And I'll include the Poirier fight as a possibility in this discussion. I think Max has some interesting questions to ask himself here at this point because here's where he seems to be to me. I do not need to see him at 45 anymore. He can make that cut, right?
Starting point is 00:39:20 He can do it. I didn't have any concerns that he would somehow not make weight for this fight. You knew he would. But what toll it exacts on him, he'll never tell us, but I have a feeling it's probably significant. And I would like to see him go to 55. In particular, because he won the BMF belt at 55, I feel like it should be defended at 55. Fresh matchups. Fresh matchups as well.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Or, in this particular case, not a fresh matchup, but a great matchup. It's like Pacquiao-Marquez. You can just run it back a number of times and who gives a shit? Literally put him against all those aging, all-action, lightweight big names. Chandler Gaethje again, Poirier. Here's the thing for Max I hope that he considers, and I know it's probably like the last thing he wants to hear is all of my Ilia Boosters.
Starting point is 00:40:00 You dressed like Mario with a giant Toporia boner. That's the last person he wants to hear i know but i in all seriousness again it is impossible to root against max holloway it's impossible to not like him and so what i really hope that he and his team consider is i don't think he's done that's really not what i'm saying but what i am concerned about bc is especially if he goes to 55 and you're going to take on some even harder hitters at that point, again, his durability will be less compromised because of the weight cut, but I'm a little bit concerned that he can go on a place where he can win and lose and win and lose and stay in big fights,
Starting point is 00:40:34 but he's absorbed a lot of significant strikes in his career. He's been doing this for a very long time. And so I hope what he has in mind is a clear goal about what is left and that it is attainable and that if he gets to a place where it's pretty clear that attaining that goal is impossible, that he hangs it up. Very clear what I'm saying. Not saying he's done, but I am saying I don't know if he's too, too far from that if what he cares about is preserving any kind of long-term health. I have watched Max hand out beatings, and I've watched Max take them. And I've never quite seen the one like he got on Saturday. But I've seen some—the second fight against Poirier was really, really bad.
Starting point is 00:41:17 Yes. He survived because he's Max, but this is what I mean. I don't have an appetite to see a bunch of those. You don't have an appetite for destruction. That's really where you're going. Well, I don't mind an appetite to see a bunch of those. You don't have an appetite for destruction. That's really where you're going. I don't mind him being in tough competitive fights. Neither guy was taking a beating in this one until Ilya landed a
Starting point is 00:41:31 devastating right. If the fight had looked the way it had looked for the first two and a half rounds, you can fight a lot of those. You know what I mean? What I'm not interested in seeing is more of him stretched out. What I'm not interested in seeing is a fight where he gets a 55 dominant puncher where he can't, I mean, maybe this has changed, but in that fight with Poirier, it was just a lot of abuse over many rounds he was taking. I feel like he's accomplished
Starting point is 00:41:54 so much. Let's be very clear about it. He's an automatic hall of famer. He's an automatic all time. Great. He's a credit to the fight game. One of the few guys you can just actually believe is a good dude in real life. Who was with me when we saw Max at his hotel room before the fight with Volk, the 276 fight? I don't know if anybody here was that. I think Gaff was with me. Gaff was, yeah. Gaff was with me. Dude, he could not have been more accommodating.
Starting point is 00:42:17 He had his whole team in the suite. They were all sleeping there. His kid was there. His wife was there. Like, everybody, Max is such a good good dude i don't mind him continuing if he's got a plan and something he can execute i don't want to see him just fight i'm with fighting sake and i don't want to necessarily see him against poirier after he's lost the first two and coming off of a knockout loss so luke the fight to make is easy connor versus max part two
Starting point is 00:42:44 bmf title on the line. I'd take that. Max coming off of a knockout loss against a bigger fighter. Let's do this, right? You're going to have to fight at some bigger catch weight or whatever Conor can make. You know what I mean? This is provided Conor can stop this 365-day streak that we've talked about. The Cal Ripken, Lou Gehrig-like streak.
Starting point is 00:43:03 I don't know if he can, but this is really the perfect matchup for both. But that's just me talking there. Let's go to topic number three. Speaking of dominant performances, good Lord. Remember when I picked Robert Whitaker by knockout because I thought Hamzat just couldn't get his ish together? I'll take that one. Humble pie, indeed.
Starting point is 00:43:20 Hamzat silenced critics in a big way by breaking Robert Whitaker's jaw and getting an early tap out in round one after taking him down 14 seconds into it. We never got to see what bloody knuckles robbed there. What's his nickname that he hates? Bobby Knuckles. Bobby Knuckles. He doesn't like that, though.
Starting point is 00:43:38 I know. He's like, I'm the Reaper. I'm like, eh. There we go. Okay, but Luke, although Chemayev entered as the number 13th ranked middleweight, was this performance against a former champion and living legend dominant enough that you would sign off on him cutting the line even past Sean Strickland to get the next shot at Drikus Duplicy for the title?
Starting point is 00:43:59 Yes. So you talked me in. It's my fault because I agreed. I'm not blaming you, but you did talk. You convincingly talked me into picking Whitaker instead of Hamzat on Friday's show, which blew up in both of our faces. Luckily, it didn't blow up in my wallet, but yeah, it blew up in our faces.
Starting point is 00:44:13 It blew up in our faces. It was as one-sided as can be. I just, listen, it's not like, the argument is not Hamzat has a great case and Strickland doesn't. That's really not the argument. Strickland had a very close fight with him, had a rebound fight against Paulo Costa that was also not very interesting, but he won it.
Starting point is 00:44:36 And again, if you want to go back and watch the fight between DDP and Strickland, it's not hard to score three rounds for Strickland. You can do it. The basic question, can you find three rounds for him? Yes, you can. You absolutely can. So in that case, he's got a strong argument. However, Hamzat just blew past Robert Whitaker
Starting point is 00:44:56 in a way that no one has. Not Wonderboy Thompson, which was all the way back at 170. Not even DDP in his destruction of him. Not even is he. He stopped him in the first fight, and it didn't look quite like this. He ran through him. He ran through him like diarrhea.
Starting point is 00:45:13 I mean, it was just... Wow, that's... I'm just... Slippery when wet, right? I'm being facetious, but Whitaker offered almost no real resistance. I mean, he did a little bit to stay alive, but he just got crushed in the...
Starting point is 00:45:28 It was the Tiananmen Square tank versus the guy in front of him. Wow, you got a lot of these today. You're like more Ronello over here. Okay, but how do you describe somebody who is an all-time great at middleweight, a former champion, looking like Hamzat was fighting you or me out there? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:44 I mean, I'll say this quite honestly, and I don't mean it just because his teeth got messed up. Even before we saw that, that Robert Whitaker, Hamzat made him unrecognizable. He made him absolutely unrecognizable in how he just bodied him. And so you've got this guy. Now, I don't know what his visa issues are this week. He denied. He told Shaq that it's. Yeah, I mean, fighters say lots of things. Dana's also confirmed that. and so you've got this guy now i don't know what his vc shoes are this week he told check that
Starting point is 00:46:05 yeah i mean fighters say lots of things dana's also confirmed that i mean dana doesn't dana doesn't say did he did he confirm it he didn't really confirm it to me but things could have changed recently and again depending on who wins the presidential election next week there could be a big change that happens anyway so there are some questions about where any potential fight with hamza would be and on what schedule and that does create some complications but just like fight for fight Hamzat versus DDP is a fresh matchup oh yeah it's a highly interesting matchup and what I want to really get back to is did you get clear answers about some of the questions that we had around Hamzat no you didn't but isn't it more exciting when you don't?
Starting point is 00:46:45 When somebody can get all the way to the title level without having answered all those questions, like Conor on that rise? This is what I mean. It's like, I often make this point where you'll see someone come off the regional scene and they'll have seven fights and it's all first round KOs.
Starting point is 00:46:57 And someone will be like, isn't this guy great? And you'll be like, yes, he's obviously great, but he hasn't fought anybody. And yes, some of Hamzat fights, like the Gilbert fight and the Kamara fight, they went the distance. But in general, he's obviously great, but he hasn't fought anybody. And yes, some of Hamzat fights like the Gilbert fight and the Kamara fight that went the distance. But in general, he's beating guys, former champions, all-time greats in his weight class like they're nothing.
Starting point is 00:47:12 It's a fresh matchup. It's an interesting challenge. And DDP looks to me like he might have something for him that can get us some answers in that third, fourth, potentially fifth round. To me, it's actually a slam dunk, even though that's tough on Sean Strickland for everything you said.
Starting point is 00:47:24 But we already almost missed out on this phenomenon potentially fifth round. To me, it's actually a slam dunk, even though that's tough on Sean Strickland for everything you said. But we already almost missed out on this phenomenon that is Hamzat when he's healthy. I don't know if we have to put him in that category of motivated BJ and 2013 Belfort. Like, look, I can't really explain how Hamzat can be so up and down all the time with health, with everything, and then just turn up and absolutely kick the shit out of people, regardless of their status or resume or history like he does.
Starting point is 00:47:48 But he does. You take advantage of that. This guy is one of the rare guys in the roster that you're like, pay-per-view headliner, will carry numbers every time. Look, he moves numbers on everything he touches. Remember we did that Gilbert Burns interview ahead of that fight and that thing did monster traffic? It did that because of Chumaev.
Starting point is 00:48:03 He's that bad guy at the end of the movie who can if you can put a belt around him in any division you do that now is the time nobody expected that he ran right through him let's hear from a doctor this is david abasi an orthopedic surgeon breaking down just what happened there to whittaker if you guys weren't already terrified of this guy comes at camaya you could see what he did to Robert Whitaker's lower teeth and mandible. A lot of confusion over the early tap by Robert Whitaker right off the rear neck of choke,
Starting point is 00:48:34 but DC then shows this photograph of the aftermath of what happened to Robert Whitaker's. You can see those teeth are basically floating back there. Our lower jawline is composed of this bone called the mandible, and likely he has a fracture, probably two fracture lines, which causes this piece to then go floating. You can see the forearms there below basically cracking and destroying that jaw backwards. This is an unstable mandible fracture,
Starting point is 00:49:03 which will require fixation with plates and screws, where they'll make an incision right here, peel back that lip, and then realign the bones and fix it with plates and screws. All the best to Robert Whittaker, but dang, come on, he was an animal. Now Luke, you would tell me of a Whittaker interview where he would say that was some like an injury he had as a child. Someone caught him outside the hotel in Abu Dhabi. And what he basically said was he had some, he didn't elaborate, but he had some kind of an injury when he was a kid. And it was basically fine until the Drikus fight.
Starting point is 00:49:34 Drikus fucked him up too. And I guess whatever they had done to hold it together was quite literally just holding it together. And now it's all just fucked up. By the way, when you shot your snot rockets, did you hit my stuff? No, I shot this way. I had to shoot a booger out of my nose. My wife gets so bitter when I just do this on the ground. She goes, Cochino.
Starting point is 00:49:53 You're a Cochino as shit right now. Look, this Chimaev finish got everybody excited, including Abdu Rozek, by the way, but including Dana White, who came running to Chimaev cage side here. There's Rozek. By the way, he was in White, who came running to Chemaev cage side here. There's Rozek. By the way, he was in the same building as Hasbulla,
Starting point is 00:50:08 and they didn't fight to the death. I mean, they're a bunch of frauds, those two. Did you see Dana run them down and hug them? Dana knows what he has here in this guy, Luke. Hamzat is special. He is special. But let me ask you that question that I couldn't answer before. By the way, two of his cornermen were Ramzan Kadyrov's kids.
Starting point is 00:50:21 That's confirmed? That's a true fact? Oh, yeah. Dude, you've got a guy who is a—and I've seen people be like, dude, Ramzan's just an ordinary run-of-the-mill politician. Yeah, he's just a normal guy. I'm like, does your mayor round up people and slaughter them and exile them from the city through force of military action? Is he banned from the U.S. Treasury from doing business in the country? Or are you just a fucking idiot who says random things on Twitter?
Starting point is 00:50:47 Okay, before I carry on, though, what is your confidence considering Chemayev's up and down last few years with inactivity, injuries, illnesses, potential visa issues, everything that we talk about, the weight miss against Nate, all the inconsistencies, his son's surgery of late, which seemed to really pull him in emotionally and challenge him. Is this something that he can sustain? Him being at his very best, is it sustainable in the UFC right now?
Starting point is 00:51:13 Again, we didn't get answers to all of the questions, critical questions that we need, but I felt like something similar with Ilya Teporia. If you're going to do something with this guy, do it now. Light the match. We'll see what happens next. Hey, let's hear from Chemaev.
Starting point is 00:51:31 He was asked how his grappling would fare against the champion, Du Plessis. I want to get your thoughts on Drikas as a champion, his run so far, and what do you make of his grappling? What do you think? How I done with this guy, Rob? How he done? What do you make of his grappling? What do you think guys? How I done with this guy, Rob, how he done?
Starting point is 00:51:50 Rob took him down. So Rob took him down. So there is Salam Aleikum. Look, if they made that fight next, is this type of one way finished potentially in play for Chemaev against DDP? I'm not asking you to predict who wins, but is this possible? Can he reproduce what he did to Whitaker to DDP, considering when they fought, Whitaker took him down
Starting point is 00:52:12 and they sort of traded big grappling moments? Again, we just didn't get answers to all of these questions. Yeah, but grappling-wise, could he hold that dominance over DDP like that? I think he can do that to anybody. But if Whitaker doesn't have that injury, how much longer could he have maintained? That's a question you have to ask yourself. And two, does DDP have that?
Starting point is 00:52:33 I don't know. But, dude, DDP, we've said it before. He even said it. Is there a method to his madness? Not really. But he finds ways to win. Also, how about this? Hamzza could end up beating DDP and then there's the Bo Nickel factor which he's still far away we don't really know where that is but
Starting point is 00:52:51 you would at least think like he's got something for him in that department however Chimaev has got big power as well but he's eventually going to find someone who can take him past the third round and what that looks like is honestly anybody's guess it's we're going to talk about stupid break glass fights for toporia giving his stardom and talking about connor then i guess we should talk about this absurd fight that i never considered until now here's chamayev talking about poet on luke title run looking like do you want to clear out the middle weight division or would you prefer to sort of go up to light heavyweight and challenge Alex Pereira? Well, I'm talking about three belts from a long time ago, so of course I want to go up.
Starting point is 00:53:38 But what then awaits, what do you see once? I don't know, man. So if they give me... First, I have to, in my weight class, need to take the belt. So then I'm going to think about it as well. I mean, we can't put him in a light heavyweight title fight when he hasn't fought for the middleweight title yet. But I hadn't even thought of that. Do you love his just no hesitation? I will take that guy down too and beat the shit out of him.
Starting point is 00:53:59 I mean. Because that's a style contrast. That is insane. I know. Of course it'd be interesting. Damn. But one thing at a time. Video game stuff.
Starting point is 00:54:10 One thing at a time. But here's the question. If he doesn't end up fighting DDP, what do you do with Hamzat? Who does he fight in that instance? Long Island Luke. I'm Dana White right now, and I say, okay, we're going to do Sean, DDP, two.
Starting point is 00:54:22 Tell me who you think Hamzat should fight next. What do you say? Say it. Bo Nickel. After he beats Paul Craig. Izzy, dude. Izzy's out there. No, Izzy.
Starting point is 00:54:31 See, if I'm Dana White. There's a short bullet thing there, too. If I'm Dana White, I'm giving Hamzat the title shot right now, and I'm doing Izzy, Sean, two in Sydney. That is the right call. That's the right call right there. That's an interesting one. Long Island Luke is damn right.
Starting point is 00:54:43 That's a great call. Because Strickland Adesanya, it could be the co-main for that it could also be its own in my opinion it could be almost its own pay-per-view main event without a title i know that people don't love that does sean take that a co-main i mean if it's five rounds but no pay-per-view point well he wouldn't get anywhere because there's another champion but if they say dude you're not getting the title shot he'll take it stay in the mix that is interesting uh let's see sean's tweet about the idea of jamaia of cutting him in line understand one thing i am next in line it has been said it's been written january february me and ddp are scrapping go back to chechnya and wait a few
Starting point is 00:55:14 months wait sorry uae you're not allowed in chechnya but hey crypto scams while you wait end quote those were the thoughts of sean strickland not necessarily listen he says a lot of shit that's insane. Every once in a while, he'll have a banger out there. Every once in a while. Honest question, though. Is Tony Hinchcliffe one N-word away from being added to the Golden Hour podcast? I mean, that'd be a murderer's row lineup, right?
Starting point is 00:55:43 That'd be unbelievable, right? All right. Yeah, there you go. So interesting stuff in the middleweight. I don't know how to answer that. Yeah, in the middleweight division. Hey, let's move on from here because we do have to. Did you watch their fight companion with Eddie Bravo and Job? I did not watch it.
Starting point is 00:55:56 I did not. Because that hungry wolf took over the Reddit spaces after what he said last night. It didn't make a lot of, I didn't see a lot of clips come out of it. Yeah, I wasn't i wasn't focused on it at that time but i have to get back to you let's go to topic number four which is mago medankolayev shara bullet and the rest of ufc 308 luke we talked about it coming in ufc challenge mago medankolayev that if you want the next shot at poetan even though you kind of already deserved it last time uh you're gonna have have to be exciting against Alexander Ratchage.
Starting point is 00:56:25 Well, it was a hard-fought, competitive three-round unanimous decision for Ankhalaev. Dana would say afterwards that he thinks that's enough. Luke Thomas, is that enough to drop this charade and finally get Poetan versus Ankhalaev? Yes. Yes. I mean, the reality
Starting point is 00:56:41 is Ankhalaev, I don't think, I think it's probably fair to, Ankhalaev, I don't think, I think it's probably fair to say Ankhalaev didn't necessarily wow anybody on Saturday, but the response would be, number one, he didn't really need to wow anyone. He could have already gotten a title shot based on what he had done even prior to UFC 308. And then you add in that he beat a quality light heavyweight in Alexander Rakic without much issue, I think is a fair way to put it. It was competitive, but not, you never thought Onkaliev was in trouble. You never thought Onkaliev had no answer. It was just kind of one guy was ahead of the other one. And it sort of stayed that way for the vast majority of it. So that's the guy
Starting point is 00:57:20 that's deserving. And I think that's pretty fair. However, the question that I would ask back to UBC, and it was the one that I was asking myself was, when you were watching this, did you see anyone there who you thought gave real problems to Alex Pareda? Which is not the reason to grant or not grant a title shot, but just a separate question. Yeah, no. Did you see that?
Starting point is 00:57:39 I didn't, but also Alexander Rakic, I think, even with three consecutive losses, is truly elite. I mean, Long Island, Luke, were you making some backdoor argument that you thought Rakic should have got the decision? Yeah, he won round one on all three judges' scorecards. I thought maybe one of those other rounds could have gone his way. I can't go that far. It was competitive.
Starting point is 00:57:55 But to answer your question, no, it didn't scream that. But in some ways, even with the UFC's warning, this was really only going to be about surviving in advance, get the win no matter what. To Anklav's credit, he did push the pace. He was constantly looking to go forward. It wasn't overly exciting, in my opinion, because Rakic is a tough ass out who was in there trying just as hard and badly needed a win.
Starting point is 00:58:14 It's just, I mean, this guy's unbeaten. I know there's draws and no contests in there, but he's unbeaten in like 13 or 14 fights in a row now. Hasn't lost since that UFC debut to Paul Craig. Let's go. It's ankle eye of time. Now, he had the draw against Blachowicz,
Starting point is 00:58:29 which was such a bad performance on his part. And he's been a donk at times. And do I think that, look, I don't think it's going to be exciting for him in any fight unless it's against somebody that's really making it an action fight. I just think that's kind of how he is, Luke, okay? I think he is a threat for Poiton, but I'm starting to come off the idea, maybe because Brent Brookhouse won't stop shaming me, that this is the trap fight, you know, at the end of it.
Starting point is 00:58:51 I just want to see it. You think Ankalayev's the trap fight? No, no, he's against me or anyone trying to frame it as, because he's just not wrestling anymore. Now, I think in this fight, it worked out good that he didn't wrestle. He gave himself the best chance to win over the bosses. Let's hear from that boss first. Let's hear Dana White on this.
Starting point is 00:59:08 To go back to Ankalayev, he promised coming into this fight, he wouldn't shoot a single takedown. He didn't do it. Is this enough to get Alex Pereira, his title fight, the second longest unbeaten streak in the history of this division behind Jon Jones? I would have to say yes. Wow, very subtle there from Dana. No wasted words, just right to the point.
Starting point is 00:59:23 I appreciate that. It is. It's time. We're going to get that fight. We'll see what happens. Now, look, Ankalayev, do you think he'll, okay, he hasn't wrestled in a long time, to be very fair. He hasn't attempted more than, what, two takedowns in a long time
Starting point is 00:59:33 or even one takedown. I haven't seen stats, but I can't remember the last time. Will he try that aggressively against Pereira, and is that the right game plan once we get there? I think eventually he will. I just don't know how quickly. Like, Chumayev, the bell rings. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:47 He's shot out of a cannon. Oh, yeah. Right? Just right across. Onkalev, I feel like will take his time, which, by the way, is fine. Taking your time, not like aggressively going after the takedown and then walking into something is probably a great idea. At the same time, that's not the question.
Starting point is 01:00:02 The question is, is he going to wrestle an appropriate amount where he might have an advantage to put someone like Pereira on the defense? And I don't, again, this is the thing I was watching. Did he put in a competent, fine performance against Rakic? Yes. It wasn't really impressive. It didn't really show me a lot that I could hang my hat on and be like, oh, that's something he's going to definitely give Poiton some problems with.
Starting point is 01:00:26 I mean, he can look dominant against, you know, sometimes mid-tier or BB-plus level guys, but I don't think he's going to have those moments against Poiton. You've got to be perfect against Poiton. You make that one mistake. I don't think you have to be perfect, but you have to put him on the defense. And most guys want to play the 50-50 game with him, and I just don't understand
Starting point is 01:00:41 why they keep... Khalil Rountree's different because his 50-50 shot was also in the striking, and for a while that was going quite well for him. He just don't understand why they keep Khalil Rountree is different because his 50-50 shot was also in the striking and for a while that was going quite well for him he just couldn't sustain it but I just don't understand what it would be for a guy like on Kalia if he doesn't have Khalil's speed or explosivity knockout power you gotta
Starting point is 01:00:57 mix it up you know we'll see it's gonna be an interesting fight I do look forward to it because I want to see someone try to take down on Kalia don't you want to it because I want to see someone try to take down Pereira a lot. On Kalayev. Don't you want to see that? Yes. You want to see him have to deal with that.
Starting point is 01:01:07 On Kalayev does have skills to, at a bare minimum, give Poetan problems and I think beat him. Definitely could beat him, yes. Whether he can put it all together in a single performance, I don't know. But to your point, he's earned it and that's why you got to make the fight. That's it. Luke, from the standpoint of viral KOs, just how good was Shara Bullet Magomedov's double spinning back fist KO when he was blocked by Armand Petrosian yet spun off the other shoulder to deliver that?
Starting point is 01:01:34 I mean, is that going to be added to that UFC highlight reel that plays with Baba O'Reilly by The Who when you're sitting in the arena and they're getting you all fired up before the start of the game? I'll say this. I've been hard on Shara because I thought some of the hype was a little bit much i still think some of the hype doesn't quite match exactly where he's at i mean he gets hit believe that he gets hit and he was fighting a guy i mean dude armin petrosian was driving me nuts in this fight he does something i call jousting or if you look at like max or ilia they're fainting a lot right they're giving
Starting point is 01:02:01 you a look to get a reaction and they're changing changing it up. Fucking Armin Petrosian just walks right in. I call it jousting, where he just, they just, they just, they wait a second, they wait a second, and then they go. They don't ever set it up. And so eventually, to his credit, Shara was waiting on it, waiting on it, and then timing him every single time.
Starting point is 01:02:18 His right hand's when he times you are big. Yeah, dude. That's a legitimate punch. Well, I mean, if you set it up for him, he's got the counter-fighting in that particular case to do really well. That double spinning back fist was fucking awesome i mean you can't insane you can't so you can say whatever else you want about the guy that was sick and i give him credit for that's an all-time highlight reel he's very unproven despite four no although he does have a
Starting point is 01:02:38 couple pretty good wins in this four uh you know bruno silva in his debut one of them but now at 30 years old we're not talking about give this guy a ranking. He's talking about Adesanya. He called him out in the cage afterwards, and here is Shara Bullitt saying a little bit more about Adesanya at the post-presser. You called out Israel Adesanya and declared yourself the best striker in the division.
Starting point is 01:02:58 I'm curious, when you break down Israel, do you see a lot of holes and techniques that you could take advantage of? And I would assume if you fought him, it would be a five-round main event, possibly a fight night. Obviously, Я гнался за Израиля Десанья еще в Китае, когда дрался Я уже победил его спарринг партнера и друга в спарринге. Я победил его друга в Китае. Израиль очень популярен в Китае. Потом он перешел на ММА и подписался на УЮС. И теперь я здесь. Вы думаете, что Адасанья будет с вами сражаться?
Starting point is 01:04:01 Я не в России, я не сражаюсь перед самолетом. win some more i mean the russia i'm not trying in front of the train you know the only way for israel to avoid the fight with me is to retire i mean those are strong words luke but should we even be talking about this fight when this guy's got four fights is he that big enough of a potential breakout star where anyone in the matchup room is even going to have a conversation about this he's make he's good for fun fights he's good for exciting fights at a bare minimum whether he can climb the actual ranks by meeting like really good ranked guys i don't know yet but like slow the roll but like also to me it's like kayo bahalio has proven a lot more in this division he also called out izzy i could live i mean i'm not saying that's the fight to make but i can live with that fight that fight that fight makes a little bit more
Starting point is 01:04:40 sense to me given where they are i don't hate a fight between charl bullet and izzy but i don't wouldn't is he just donk him up with the experience in the uh he might he could wrestle him too by the way like you know maybe he took down poetan don't forget that so you know there's oh you're oh you're a wrestler now well he did he did he did you know so this is what i mean i'll just say this about char bullet he is still untested against guys who aren't donks i need to see it i need to see a tough ass fight for him against a non-donk yes i need to see somebody no more olig shayshucks no no more that yeah guys who have like one or two good things that they do but they got a lot of problems give me someone who's got fewer problems and then then we'll talk i'm with you on that one
Starting point is 01:05:17 here's izzy's reaction watching at home by the way live did he dismiss it keep Keep my name out your fucking mouth. What the fuck did I do? Why'd he say fuck me for? I'm like, what'd he say fuck me for? I mean, Izzy's having fun with it. I don't think he took it all that serious. I don't think he took it that serious. I think this guy needs more wins than that. Luke, you called it as a potential banger alert.
Starting point is 01:05:40 I sure did. Matush Ray Betsky, if I got that wrong. They called it like Ron Betsky. Matush Ray Betsky, if I got that wrong. They called it like Rombetsky. Yeah, Rombetsky. That's it against the other guy, Maktabek Orabai. Just call him Orabai. Dude, they beat the living crap out of it. It was kind of a stupid fight, but it was also like a blood and guts
Starting point is 01:05:55 war. That fight was fucking incredible, and I thought for sure Orabai was done in that third. I thought one of them was going to have cardiac arrest and die in the cage. It was like getting to that level. I could not believe. I mean tough as old shoe leather Orobae was
Starting point is 01:06:11 surviving. First of all, his whole shit was closed at the end of the first. And then to get dropped as he did in the third and just completely marked up and fucked up. And then wrestling back to his feet I was like, dude, no. I got to say this.
Starting point is 01:06:26 Rombetsky, back-to-back fights. He had Carlos Diego Fajeda, I think, in the fight before this. And then this one, they're giving that guy fucking, taking years off of his life before he's even fighting contenders. I don't even know how old he is, but he's probably going to retire in three years because of fights like this. That's just insane. That is, like, that is,
Starting point is 01:06:42 they both pushed so far past the limits to the point where they're just like standing there with their arms i didn't even see trying to win them at each other i hope they get all the bonuses they got fight in the night i believe they did okay good damn they should get i wish if you reach a certain threshold of an action fight that that night it's like here's 500 000 you know what i mean yeah like that should be the only they did 300k at remember max got 600k at u at UFC 300 just on bonuses. And I've heard Rashad talk about the Nelk Boys bag with a million and a half in there. Daniel Cormier's talked about that.
Starting point is 01:07:12 There's a lot of that going around. I don't know if it's all tax deductible. No, it turns out that when they actually have to turn that into the IRS and we can see their documents, it's actually not that much. I don't know. I don't think it's all IRS. I mean, we're talking about like a casino business. They're cash friendly. You'd be accusing them of crimes at that point.
Starting point is 01:07:25 Yeah. Oh, maybe you're right. Maybe I'll pull back on that, Luke. One more for you. They didn't give Jeff Neal and RDA the featured prelim spot like I thought they would. It turned out to be a good thing, although RDA is going to have to nurse off that injury. They gave it to Turkish heavyweight Ebo Aslan, and they really hyped it up as a Dana White, if you don't know, now you know type of fight against Raphael Sarkara.
Starting point is 01:07:47 51 seconds later, Ibo was screaming into the microphone that he's coming at, on, or for everyone. Luke, that was impressive as shit. How seriously should we be taking this guy at Light Heavyweight right now? Not very. Let's wait a little while. He was fighting Donk. But that's a featured Donk fight, though. It's a featured Donk fight. He's got big power, obviously. I've been waiting for someone from Turkey to kind of break through.
Starting point is 01:08:08 Is this part of them looking at we can get into that market with him? So let's feature him? I don't know how big he is in Turkey. Obviously, Gokhan Saki was a big player for that. He fought in glory in Turkey. I believe he was on that Turkish show that they had. That was the same show where Spong broke his shin. You remember that?
Starting point is 01:08:24 No. They had that was the same show where Spong broke his shin. You remember that? It was one of the first few times in like the modern combat sports era where someone broke their shin in a fight. In any case, I've been kind of waiting for like a Turkish breakout fighter. We'll see if Ibo is. By the way, Eric Raskin is like, question from a washed old guy who's out of touch with the current references and is especially clueless about all things hip-hop. Who is BC dressed as?
Starting point is 01:08:47 And I sold him DJ Cheesy. No, Too Cheesy. That's who I am. Oh, Too Cheesy. That shit is too cheesy. All right. I don't know if what we're doing is racist, but. No, no.
Starting point is 01:08:58 This is celebrating West Coast 90s Caucasian hip-hop. You know what I mean? It's a celebration. The prime of your life. Yeah, really. Right. All right. Anyone else?
Starting point is 01:09:07 No one else, right? You don't want to talk about anybody else on this card. I mean, Long Island Luke, you think Ebo's going to start knocking out real hammers or no? Nah. His other win was the Pleasure Man, not the best. Okay. It's a great nickname. Dude, I really hate that guy's nickname.
Starting point is 01:09:21 I'm sure he's a nice guy. Hold on. Let me look at this results thing here real quick, if I may. Oh, Chris Barnett fucking his leg up. Yeah, I hate to see that. Very unfortunate. Also, how did you score that for Krettonov and Leal fight? You know, I was kind of watching it with half eye on it, half fold in laundry, so I don't really have a say in that.
Starting point is 01:09:39 But they said Falk Redenhoff didn't deserve that. But then he went off on the announcers after the fight. He did. Also, Rafael Dos Anjos getting fucked up with an injury kind of sucked. I mean, that's better than getting knocked out cold, but like, I mean, those guys will fight forever. I don't know. These Brazilian legends, man, they can just keep going.
Starting point is 01:09:53 You're fighting at 40 years old, 170 and below. That's tough. I'll just say this. I thought the combination of Cormier, Anik, and Felder, I heard and read the fewest amounts of complaints about UFC commentary in the longest time
Starting point is 01:10:10 I can remember. And I honestly believe we know that Anik is good. I think DC can be good. I think Felder is one of the best guys that they've got. That combination works good. Felder knows how to be the chameleon of the broadcast. Every broadcast, if you're going to do a three-man, there needs to be somebody that understands I'm playing
Starting point is 01:10:25 more than one role at the same time, but I've got to really sell for others, compliment this, add on this. He's playing that glue role perfectly. He's awesome at that job. That's a good trio that they got there. Yeah, keep that great work up. Too bad they have to call 15 fights over eight hours. That's a tough job. It really is. I hope they get paid well
Starting point is 01:10:42 for it. Me too. Hey, let's go to topic number five, and it came out from after ufc 308 when dana white did his post by the way did you see this revelation from average joe art so he did one of the posters for ufc for ufc 308 and it was tremendous he he just tweeted us he actually tried to add the bmf belt to the poster and they made him take it out i saw the original rough draft yes i know what's going on okay i didn't know that all right very good no tremendous work by him but yeah they didn't want to play up that and i thought that was that's fine because it wasn't on the line i understand that all right uh luke topic number five is what we heard from dana afterwards and most most uh particularly the escalation of this
Starting point is 01:11:16 never-ending feud with francis in ghanu so um luke i want to first play before i tee you up here this was francis's response that came out a couple days ago. It was in response to the last time Dana dunked on Francis after power slap this week in Abu Dhabi. Let's listen. I think Dana is trying to make things up to, like, buy a good face in the position that he has lost. Dana has lost in this situation.
Starting point is 01:11:41 And the only thing is that he can't understand it. Like, bro, I won everything. I left, like, it's been, what, almost two years? And the guy is still out there. He can't live without it. He can't handle me. Like regardless of everything that happened, I'm not about him. I went out there, did a fight, great fight for my son, memory. But the guy can't stand. I don't know what is his problem, man. But, And he can make everything up as he wants. That is his problem. He needs to make peace with himself.
Starting point is 01:12:08 You could have just said, we didn't find an agreement or something. We couldn't find it. Yeah, we couldn't come to a deal. But good luck to him. That's it. Good for him. And we continue our life. What's the problem here?
Starting point is 01:12:22 But I think the problem is that uh he can't handle this loss he's been praying for my i'm sure he's been praying for my downfall then i'm just keep doing my thing rising you know since i left the ufc in any senses i'm more than what i was and which money he's talking about the money that he owes me they say oh we're gonna back pay you from the money that we owe you from the steepipe and Syriac Gulf fight. All that, they never back pay me. Now I have made more money than I would have ever made in the UFC. I would say maybe twice the money that I could have ever made in my entire UFC career if I had continued in the UFC.
Starting point is 01:12:57 I don't know. But either way, if I have made less money, if I'm not making less money, enough money that I could have made in the UFC, that would be my problem. Why is it so pissed about me not making that much money? Like, come on, man. Live your life. So that was the setup. I like the end part. Live your life.
Starting point is 01:13:15 That was the setup. And I know anyone that gets, anytime I post anything about Twitter, it's like, well, they keep asking him about it. Well, they asked Dana about it again after the fights on Saturday. And here's his response. Francis isn't a good guy he plays the good guy i don't understand the language and you know so he seems like he's a nice guy he's not and he's just not a guy that i wanted to be in business with we'll never be in business together yeah we don't like each other he pulled some shit before the first t-pay fight and then steve beat the shit out of him
Starting point is 01:13:41 great night he actually actually he owes me money because we had to watch that fight with him and the Black Beast. He should actually pay me back for that fight. Me praying for it. Trust me. I don't think about Francis that much. The only one who's praying for his demise is probably the PFL because they signed a shitty contract with a guy that doesn't deliver any numbers. And ticket sales are pay-per-views. So, Lukeke here's
Starting point is 01:14:05 the question is there something about their business relationship that we still don't know about that went down or is what dana is doing making him the most petty liar and poor sport that we've ever seen in combat sports because we're going now to the this guy's a bad guy line i mean i don't there's just so many levels to this that I don't even really understand. It's like, why does Dana white want us to view him as a strong judge of character? I think he's a decent fight promoter. I mean,
Starting point is 01:14:37 you could say the greatest of all time and you wouldn't be like insane. I think that's a lot. I don't really buy that, but I think he's in that conversation. I don't, but I do think that he's in that conversation. I don't. But I do think that he is reasonably talented at the job, for sure. But nevertheless, you know, I don't look at fight promoters as in any particular. I mean, name one fight promoter that you can think of who's a strong judge of character.
Starting point is 01:14:59 Like are these people Mother Teresa all of a sudden? Or are you guys that do business with, you know, dictatorial religious monarchies and have very questionable political affiliations? And I could go on down the list to say nothing of his own personal indiscretions. Like he's not a judge of character that is worth taking seriously even for a second. So putting that aside, again, you're right. Like they're asking him questions and he's reacting to it. It's not like he's just going out of his way to make conversation about it. But the way in which he does react to them makes it seem to me, and again, I'm reading from afar, I don't know the answer to that, but that he has, that he's wounded by what Francis did, that he is still angry at what Francis did.
Starting point is 01:15:39 Now, is it because somebody beat the system? Somebody beat the game? Because he's acting like the warden in Shawshank when he reveals and finds the hole in the wall right well well here's what you can't do i mean yes francis did get viciously knocked out by anthony joshua but like imagine if you if your argument was that i mean just understand something right francis has won francis has incontestably done not just well really well with the choices he made after leaving the UFC. Not perfect. He did get KO'd.
Starting point is 01:16:09 That was bad. But he got paid an enormous sum of money for that. He overperformed against Tyson Fury, and he just put Penn and Fajita to bed. Got an insane contract with the PFL. And more to the point, PFL doesn't do numbers, but to the extent that they do anything, it's only because Francis is breathing oxygen into what they're doing. The point I want to make was if Francis was a spectacular failure, Dana White would be able to make an argument about Francis being a spectacular failure. Now, he's trying to be like, well, he doesn't do numbers for the PFL. But I'm here to tell you, like, I've seen what they've done, at least on the media side.
Starting point is 01:16:41 And you're right. Like, they don't PFL doesn't match UFC numbers. That is true that is very true but to the extent that pfl does anything beyond their numbers their standard baseline it's because francis is injecting life no doubt and so my my point is i go back to what francis said it's like why do you say such venomous things about a guy who you appear to be glad he's gone right like if you know what i mean like how shouldn't you be relieved that you're gone or that's gonna be that he's gone shouldn't you be relieved that you're no longer encumbered by his presence or business entanglements and also it's like you
Starting point is 01:17:18 remember he said he was gonna cut him it's like dude you let sam alvey hang around a long time and you were gonna cut francis after two like there's just a lot of things that don't hold up to scrutiny other than he's still really pissed about what Francis has done. And by the way, even that is okay. Yeah. But it's like, what is he pissed about?
Starting point is 01:17:36 He's pissed in my opinion that somebody was willing to put their career on the line and say, I'm worth this much and I'm going to stand here for it. Like normally they can talk people out of that by talking bad about them and saying this guy's scared, he doesn't want to accept this fight, and then eventually people get back in line. Francis never really got back in line except for to play the system and beat the system the hardest way possible by beating Gon
Starting point is 01:17:56 and unifying the title with one working knee or whatever happened there. Clearly Francis' ability to do what he's done and then succeed at it by and large is just a source of discomfort. Francis' ability to do what he's done and then succeed at it, by and large, is just a source of discomfort. Doesn't it feel like, though, that Dana White's just not used to having real negotiations in there? Because it seems like all these managers are afraid and want to keep their relationship with UFC. BC, you know this.
Starting point is 01:18:17 How many times have you talked to somebody who is either a promoter or at least on the promoter side, and they had a negotiation with a fighter, and they lament things that they had to give up, and lament things that didn't that you know we lost out on this deal or whatever in in a sport where the negotiating environment is a little bit more even you'll hear promoters talk about having to you know take an l here and we had to eat shit on this particular provision and whatnot the ufc operates an environment where that is so infrequent that by the time that it actually happens or this particular case someone just moved on and got a better offer they have difficulty processing it yeah they do and i think that's why he's got to
Starting point is 01:18:54 make him seem like a bad guy forever but dude maybe oh by the way hold on just one second like i don't think you can take dana white's assessment of character as ironclad. I don't know if Francis is or isn't a bad guy. But from what I can tell from the business side of things, what has he done that has, like, from what we can tell, again, based on the information that we have, what has he done that has screamed to you unethical that you hear stories behind the scenes about what a terrible guy he is no the only thing i get is that he actually aggressively negotiates and had a manager that kind of got driven out of the out of the scene because of that name name a manager that the ufc had to negotiate with and that manager played hardball with them and didn't get called a scumbag yes holly holmes boxing
Starting point is 01:19:40 manager got called a scumbag uh francis's manager markel got called a scumbag. Francis's manager, Markel, got called a scumbag. Anybody who negotiates hard against the UFC, whether they win or they don't, you know, they get labeled as someone who is a malcontent. Right. Or their fighter is scared. Because the entire orientation of the argument is everything we do is right. And to the extent you push back on that, you're the malcontent. Right.
Starting point is 01:20:00 You know, in this entire operation, rather than we have our own agency, not like William Morris. I mean, as people, we have our own agency, we have our own interests and they don't necessarily align. We're trying to get to a place where those could be more fairly. But my final question on this is, do you think Dana actually believes his BS, though? Is it and I'll give you the reason why he might, because in his mind at the end, it's only about money. So when they gave Francis that huge offer for the one night payday against John, but then the long extended contract at a lower rate in his mind, it's like, you're holding me up for big money.
Starting point is 01:20:35 So here's your big purse. Francis knew he could get more and was worth more. And that's why he is now. So do you think in Dana's mind, he can justify saying that Francis is scared of John because we gave you this chance to fight him for what would have been heavyweight record money and you said no? Yeah, that seems like a reasonable conclusion. I just think that they
Starting point is 01:20:52 feel, again, you go back to what Dana White said about Judge Boulware. I don't know if there was a potential settlement that was reached, but remember when he rejected it for the proposed settlement, when it was rejected the second time, Dana White spoke to Kevin Aioli and said, you know, I think it's got to be personal, right, what this guy is doing. Stuff him in a locker or something, yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:15 And it's like, how do you come to that conclusion based on like the overwhelming mountain of evidence that they, A, are a monopoly or a monopsony, and that they use that market power to suppress wages. Let's be clear about something. The evidence in that case is overwhelming. It's not debatable. It's very, very, very obvious. The only way you can come to that conclusion, BC, is if you decide that your behavior is above reproach. And so the only explanation that could be there is someone wants to make it personal. Yeah. Here we go back to that again. It makes sense. He doesn't like the business choices that someone else made. So it has to become personal. There can't be anything that they have done that they have to reflect on as bad or not as good or even just,
Starting point is 01:22:06 you know, not as good of an offer. Yeah, it can't be that. It has to be that he has a character flaw. He made a bad choice. He's a bad guy. And we're the shining example of all things. Well, Luke, maybe you're just a hater and maybe you're just one of those media members who doesn't appreciate good things. Let's hear from a media member who tasted and seen if PowerSnap is worth their time. Hi, first of all, I owe you an apology. I was one of the people that hated PowerSnap. I did a commentary in Arabic for them last time, and my God, you're 100% right. We are all wrong. I respect you so much for it. Seriously, that PowerSnap is amazing. It's a different for it. Seriously, that power slap is amazing. It's a different experience live. Especially.
Starting point is 01:22:48 It's totally different. Now, for the next year, here for Abu Dhabi and Saudi, I know there is... I can't wait for you to finally own up. No, we already had the Tuporia segment earlier.
Starting point is 01:23:03 Obviously here, right? That was good. If you thought it could get... No, we already had the Teporia segment earlier. Obviously here, right? I got it. That was good. That was good. If you thought it could get worse in MMA media's performance on Saturday in relation to Dana, it could. Here's the video. Yep. I don't have a question, but I just really want to appreciate what you did to the sport. And I want you to know that even after 100 or 150 years,
Starting point is 01:23:27 your name will always be there. So my request is never stop what you're doing. Keep making this as big as you can and never retire. Always stay there. You are not allowed to retire. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Look, he is not allowed to.
Starting point is 01:23:43 I mean, at least all that fellatio happened after a great card. I mean, they do give Abu Dhabi the loaded lineup. That was a very good card. UFC's product is dynamic. We haven't made one complaint about this card. Fantastic card. The card was awesome. The UFC did a great job. Again,
Starting point is 01:23:59 commentary crew, awesome. Fighters did a great job. They promoted it well. It was awesome. Those media people truly look up the definition of pathetic like the actual technical term that's one of the most pathetic things i do mma media is fucking dead it's dead boxing media dead uh dead sub dead i mean boxing media is not as bad actually i don't think it's as bad it's bad it's bad not a not not that version of bad But it's different kinds of bad I've never seen I've been to a lot of boxing pressers
Starting point is 01:24:28 I've never seen that I've never seen that Yeah That's pretty damn bad I've seen people in boxing pressers Like big up one of the fighters I've seen that But to the fucking promoter
Starting point is 01:24:39 Why didn't you just reach around him? That's really my question right there I mean That is truly one of the saddest things I've... MMA media, it's over. It's over. It doesn't exist. Try to take us all the way. We're going to have Bam Rodriguez in just a few moments to get
Starting point is 01:24:54 pumped up. Why don't we... My belly here. Why don't we... Why can't we just start? Have you seen the shit and come back? I mean, what do you think about that, Long Island Luke? Could we do that? I mean, we could do whatever you guys want. Because, again, I don't know if he's an MMA fighter. He's not. He's a
Starting point is 01:25:09 boxer. What I'm saying is, does he have MMA fighter tendencies, which is to book an interview and then just not show up or show up extremely late? Do you think we'll start the MK curse of people that were supposed to be interviewed by us but then they missed it and then something bad happened to them? Well, this one got offered to us.
Starting point is 01:25:25 We didn't go out and get it. No, I'm saying could that become a thing? Like, should Randy watch himself? That's really what I'm listening to. I mean, Max just got KO'd. If Bam doesn't post, then it's fine. Like, it is what it is. All right, well, here's what I did over the weekend, guys.
Starting point is 01:25:37 I scoured the globe, the highs and lows, the good, the bad, the ugly, the in-between, combat sports and beyond. This is my ish. I hope you've seen it. Let's watch it. Okay. We're going to hold that shit. We don't have to hold it because now he's here.
Starting point is 01:25:59 So hold on. Why don't you do this for the audience? Yes. Because we just had this big UFC orgy. We did. Tell the folks about Bam Rodriguez. Tell the folks. Bam Rodriguez is an absolute badass from San Antonio, Texas,
Starting point is 01:26:16 24 years old, a two-division title holder at 115, 118, in those lower weight classes. But what he did recently in going in there against the legend, Juan Francisco Estrada, and stopping him, he's not just a young fighter on the rise. He's one of the top 10 pound for pound best in this, in this game today. And I mean, when you talk about the plus minus rating,
Starting point is 01:26:32 his plus minus is better than our tour, better be of, and only bested by Shakur Stevenson, according to CompuBox right now, which means the, the amount of punches you land as compared to the punches landed against you ultimately. An absolute technician that fights in an aggressive all-action style.
Starting point is 01:26:51 He's coming the freak on. It's what I said before. I don't know who these guys are at home. Are they family guys or not? I don't know. He seems like a chill, cool guy. I'm just pointing out, put all that to the side. Do you like technical action fighters who get the job done? Bam Rodriguez is your guy. I'm just pointing out, put all that to the side. Do you like technical action fighters who get
Starting point is 01:27:06 the job done? Bam Rodriguez is your guy. Whose defensive numbers are like through the roof for that action style. He got dropped against Estrada and then came back and put it on him. By the way, it was kind of like a flash thing because he was smiling when the ref was counting.
Starting point is 01:27:22 But then he put it on him. Stopping in the ninth round, I believe? He stopped him in the seventh round. He's the WBC super flyweight title holder, formerly the unified flyweight champion. And on November 9th, a very creative DAZN doubleheader in Philadelphia.
Starting point is 01:27:38 Long Island, Luke, can you drop that lower third there on the screen? In Philadelphia, when Jaron Boots Ennis returns to his home city in the main event in this largely unnecessary mandatory rematch against Karan Chukadzian. But in that co-main event, we're going to get Jesse Bam Rodriguez back against 42-4-1 Pedro Guevara. That will be November 9th on DAZN in Philadelphia.
Starting point is 01:28:03 Guevara as Mises Thomas would say right there. Let's go back to mi esposa. Mira. That means spouse. Mira, escucha. Pedro Guevara. Pedro Guevara. Long Island Luke, do we have the young gentleman here?
Starting point is 01:28:21 One second, guys. All right, we're lining him up right now. Appreciate the patience here for one second all right we're lining him up right now appreciate the uh the patience here for one of boxing's biggest rising stars i mean when you're 24 and you've already knocking out legends and won titles multiple divisions and you're already on the pound for pound list that's uh you're doing something right that's aggressive by the way again that's ruthless is this a DAZN pay-per-view i i don't believe it is i couldn't be told i'm wrong by the way DAZN had like a 50% off Black Friday
Starting point is 01:28:46 sale, so you could get that for, you know, obviously half off. You don't even have to go to a store and get assaulted. However, he's on the same as you've been indicating, he's on the same card as Boots. Yes. So you get a Boots Bam Philly Special. Alright, let's bring him in right now. He is the
Starting point is 01:29:03 WBC Super Flyweight title holder, San Antonio's finest, Jesse Bam Rodriguez. Jesse, thank you for joining Morning Combat. I know we look like assholes right now, but I want you to know, Jesse, that this is a Halloween episode. But do I dress like this in my real life? No. You best believe too cheesy does. Okay.
Starting point is 01:29:24 That's what I'm talking about bam okay uh bam great to have you on the show today we're of course fired up about your return November 9th but dude 24 years old like you're doing very big shit it's hard to get attention in the weight classes on a global scale that you're in and you have why why is the bam experience for boxing been through the roof to start your career yeah i think it's just the way i've been performing the way i've been handling my opponents especially um you know they're legends of the sport so the way i've been able to take them out says a lot and i think that's why people they like to watch my my fights
Starting point is 01:30:00 but look when we talk about you know i think if people wouldn't know you they'd look at some of your wins like okay this guy's all-action fighter let's go out there he'll eat three punches to land one there is this technician element to you was that always the plan from the beginning that you were going to bring this high level of craft into a place where maybe fans would cheer just as much if you went out there blood and guts all the time yeah I know I mean I think I feel like I just kind of fell into my um my style before as an amateur I was more of a come forward fighter like you know the other opponents in my weight class but like I said I grew into my style and I think people appreciate that a lot Bam from what I understand as you indicated you had more of a
Starting point is 01:30:43 come forward style in the amateurs and then it's become a lot slicker and you've added a whole bunch of dynamic elements to your game including some of the stuff from what i understand correct me if i'm wrong from lomachenko what did you pick up from lomachenko um the footwork as an amateur i was watching lomachenko a lot um then i just went to the gym one day started working on the angles myself on the bag and they just came naturally and when I teamed up with Robert I feel like he took that to a whole nother level help us understand what that means though like obviously you were able to what pivot around setting new angles and that if you've already got a high action high volume style now you've got even more openings to land on guys is that a fair assessment
Starting point is 01:31:22 yeah exactly um Just you hit them from one angle and the next second you're at another angle and they don't expect the punch to come from that angle. So it's a very hard style to deal with. But you know, like I said, naturally it came to me. So I'm blessed for that. Favorite other boxer to watch
Starting point is 01:31:39 just as a fan. Nothing else. Is it Lomachenko? Let me ask this. Who beyond Lomachenko do you like to watch? I mean, there's a lot of fighters I like to watch, but Butanis is one of the top that I do like to watch just because he's a switch hitter. And, I mean, his fights are exciting. So I'm a big fan of Butanis.
Starting point is 01:31:57 To share a card with him, it's an honor. Bam, we've all got tattoos here. I wanted to see the one on the side of your face. Can you walk us through what you have there? That's sick. I have a dagger. And then on this side, I have an M. It stands for Milo.
Starting point is 01:32:11 That's my daughter. She's six months now. So that's why I got that. Hey, congratulations. Are you sleeping at all? Yeah, I sleep. I sleep through the night. My girlfriend is the one that wakes up with her.
Starting point is 01:32:21 So I'm blessed to have her as well. Oh, you got one of those arrangements. Lucky, lucky man. Bam, you talked one of those arrangements. Lucky, lucky man. Bam, you talked about being on the same card as Boots. It's unique to get two big stars. I mean, we saw that recently with Tank Davis and David Benavidez sharing a pay-per-view. How did this come together,
Starting point is 01:32:37 and were you all in from the start on this? Honestly, as far as it coming together, I don't know how it happened. I was supposed to rematch Guy with Stardust, I believe, in San Antonio, but he as it coming together, I don't know how it happened. I was supposed to rematch Guy Westrata, I believe, in San Antonio, but he put out of that, so I guess it just kind of fell into place. And then I had to face my mandatory Pedro Guivada. And then I guess Boots had November 9th originally,
Starting point is 01:32:56 so I guess they just kind of threw me on there, but it works out. Like you said, we're both exciting fighters, and it'd be a great night of boxing. Yeah, no doubt about it. And you took on the legend Juan Francisco Estrada in June, and you stopped him in the seventh round. There was that mandatory part of the contract that you said you thought he was going to activate. What do you think happened with his decision
Starting point is 01:33:16 to not go in this direction a second time? Man, I don't know. I mean, this whole time, I really thought we were going to rematch. I was back home waiting for about a month and a half, two months. And from one day to the next, it was just he put out of the fight. I was already training for the rematch. And then I got news that he put out.
Starting point is 01:33:33 I didn't even know I was in a fight still. But then I got word that I had to face my mandatory. So that's why I'm here in training camp ready for November 9th. I mean, what was it like getting in the ring with Estrada? Because this was your ultimate testing moment for a lot of us as fans. Okay, let's see on this level. Was that wild for you so early into your career to be in there against a guy I'm sure you watched when you were a kid on the come up?
Starting point is 01:33:57 When I got in the ring with Estrada, it wasn't really of a shock. It was more of a shock when I faced Carlos Guadalajara just because it was a short notice. And I was watching Carlos Guadaladal as an amateur as well so to share the ring with him it was a bit crazy and after that i fought rung vasai and i kind of just got used to being in the ring with these guys so when i went in there with the strata it was just any other fight really any other fight against rung vasai against strata well if we're going to continue this trend and this is not a disrespect to pedro guev, we'll get to him for a second,
Starting point is 01:34:26 but sometimes I'll read headlines and I'm like, did I just read that Chocolatito isn't going to retire and he doesn't want to retire until he fights Bam Rodriguez? How realistic is this super fight to happening for you in the near future? I mean, it's a fight that's definitely realistic, but the way the news got out, it was kind of fake news um the thing my coach my coach robert said is if the unification fights don't come after this fight then
Starting point is 01:34:52 a chocolate the fight does interest us if it's if it interests them as well so it kind of just got mixed up but it is a a huge possibility of us fighting i believe i mean that's that's some legend stuff right there. The former pound-for-pound king, but he still got it. What would a fight between the two of you look like? Fireworks. I actually sparred him like three times for the Astralic camp. I mean, those sparrings were one of the best of my whole career. So a fight with us would be fireworks,
Starting point is 01:35:20 and I think the fans would appreciate it. All right. You got this mandatory opponent coming up November 9th in Philly, like we talk about. Boots Ennis in the main event, but you're going to be taking on Pedro Guevara, a veteran of this game. What are you looking for across the ring from you? What do you have to watch out for against this cat?
Starting point is 01:35:37 Really, I got to watch out for everything. I said it before, Pedro Guevara, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain. This is a huge opportunity for him to change his life, change his career. So I know he has nothing to lose and everything to gain. This is a huge opportunity for him to change his life, change his career. So I know he's going to come 100%. He's going to want to take what I have, but I'm at the top of my game right now, and I really don't see anybody beating me anytime soon.
Starting point is 01:35:55 Now, listen, Bam, you're all action, all excitement, and just doing great things. Worried about the Philly fans, though, right? These are not the most hospitable, friendly fans in sports. Any concerns that, you know? They threw batteries at Santa Claus once. I mean, they're just not the nicest folks. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:36:13 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm not really worried about that. I feel like the fans are going to appreciate my style. I kind of already have a few fans on the East Coast, so I think come November 9th, I'll have a lot more. Yeah, Philly is real boxing fans though they're gonna they're gonna buy it no i don't let me get one more sure uh now you're the king of san antonio right bam this is that's your born and raised the whole nine
Starting point is 01:36:34 yards somebody told me this tell me if it's true best tex mex in san antonio mi tierra mi tierra is that true? I mean, I wouldn't say it's the best, but it's definitely up there, top 10. Okay. Give me the Bam Rodriguez special. If someone's going to go to San Antonio, what's the one place they got to go to get the San Antonio experience? Man, there's a lot of restaurants you can go to in San Antonio.
Starting point is 01:37:03 Most of them, they pretty much taste the same, but I feel like if you're going to get a really good plate, you got to go on the west side. Damn, that's good food there. Have you done that? The Tex-Mex thing? I've been to San Antonio a bunch. All the food's great. I haven't gone to like the real local places, though, because I'm just some wandering gringo.
Starting point is 01:37:19 My buddy was like Gutierrez. That's the place to go. Bam. How did you get that nickname, by the way? I got it when I was a baby. It started off as Bambino, like the great Bambino. Sure. And then my parents just kind of cut it short to Bambi when I was a little older. But then I outgrew that as well.
Starting point is 01:37:33 So they just cut it to Bam. And ever since then, that's pretty much my name. No one even knows my real name, really. So I would consider Bam my real name. I mean, was this the type of thing where you becoming sort of a boxing phenom? Was it by accident or do you come from a boxing household where this was the plan from the beginning? No, man. Really, I really don't have any boxing in my family except my brother. I think maybe my
Starting point is 01:37:55 grandma's brothers were boxers, but I'm not too sure on that. But I mean, before I started boxing, I really didn't care for it. I didn't watch it at all. And one day I just decided to tag along with my brother, and the rest is history. Now, can you fill in this back story? Is it true that you dropped out of school in seventh grade to train boxing full time? Is that a true fact? Yeah, I started homeschooling in seventh grade,
Starting point is 01:38:17 and then I kind of just stopped going to that because it was boring and I wanted to pursue my career, and here I am now. It kind of worked out. I think you made the right choice. So, hold on. Do you ever look back and say, I don't know. that because it was boring and I wanted to pursue my career and here I am now it kind of worked out I think you made the right choice do you ever do you ever look back and say I don't know listen you're killing the game like it's not one of those things but do you ever look back and say damn I wish I would have gone to prom or something like some some kind of like high school experience or something like that yeah actually I do I mean don't get me wrong high school seems fun but
Starting point is 01:38:43 who knows if I did go to school where my career would be now. So it's kind of hard to tell. I don't really mind missing out on that. Like I said, it all worked out, so I'm blessed to be where I am at. Well, Bam, it might be surreal with your name showing up in the top 10 pound-for-pound list, but it's deserved. But when you look at the landscape globally right now, and you can make arguments probably for Usyk, for Boots, for Inouye.
Starting point is 01:39:06 I mean, Canelo's still around. Who is your pound-for-pound king at the moment and why? My pound-for-pound king right now is, I would say, Usyk, just because, I mean, he beat Fury. Fury was undefeated, their heavyweight, so that's top of the top. And I feel like he kind of dominated Fury in a way, so that's why he's my pound for pound king right now yeah we'll see that rematch in December and obviously better be up is there
Starting point is 01:39:29 as well but November 9th Saturday Philadelphia oh please hit him up hit him up if it ever happens and it probably won't but if it does Canelo and Crawford how does that one look oh that's a that's a tough fight um you know Canelo has a size advantage, but Crawford has a skill like no other, so I feel like it's a 50-50 fight, really, at the end of the day. But if they were to foul a favorite, Crawford.
Starting point is 01:39:56 Wow. Wow. Skills win fights. Let me add on this. Bam, how high in weight do you see yourself going? I would say 126, 130. That, in a way, hangs around in those areas. And by the way, as I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong,
Starting point is 01:40:13 your favorite vacation spot is Japan. Is that right? Correct. Yeah, I mean, my past two fights, I went right after. So I would say myself that that's my favorite spot. Well, if he hasn't been to the Tokyo Dome, Luke, maybe we can book something.
Starting point is 01:40:27 I understand, but I was going to ask, how do you get through a flight to Japan? What's the Bam Rodriguez, I got to have this so that this 18-plus hour flight does not so bad? Man, I just really, I watch movies. I watch movies on the TV that they have on the airplane, and that's pretty much it. He just dreams about taking over the world, okay? Because he's on that
Starting point is 01:40:46 way. We'll see him November 9th on DAZN, the co-main event to Duran Boots and it's his Philly comeback. You've got Pedro Guevara. That is Bam Rodriguez. Thank you so much for the time. We love watching you. We can't wait to see what happens. Thank you, Bam. Really appreciate it. Thank you, guys. Appreciate you having me. Alright, we'll catch him on DAZN
Starting point is 01:41:02 there November 9th. Be soft-spoken. I cannot overstate this if you haven't seen him fight this motherfucker is a terrifying fighter he's a skilled dog which is a dangerous combination good timing there as we brought him in Long Island Luke thanks for your swift feet right there
Starting point is 01:41:17 but we were going to talk about that Shiite so why don't we get back into it this is Have You Seen This Shit? What an efficient show today, right? This is epic. I just want everyone to know, I'm right about Toporia being fighter of the year, and if you have it for Poetan, it's only because you are wrong. Because you don't love women. No.
Starting point is 01:41:44 It's just because you're wrong. Alright you don't love women. No, it's just because you're wrong. Oh, all right. All right, there we go. Hey, this week in UFC, we no longer can show UFC footage, apparently, Luke. They love shutting down MK. They do. By the way, hold on. Someone asked me this question.
Starting point is 01:41:54 I don't know the answer to it. Someone was saying, like, the guys at Between the Links, they can show the stuff that we used to show without any issue. BTL, Mike Heck. Yeah, BTL. And they don't get their channel shut down. And I'm like, they ask me, like, why can't MK do that? And I don't know the answer to that.
Starting point is 01:42:09 Does that website have a highlight, like, package that they pay the UFC for? I don't know. Interesting stuff. I genuinely don't know. Sometimes, Luke, big fights are so big that you have to find people that didn't watch it live and get to be the one that break the news, break the result to them. Toporia versus Holloway was that type of fight, Luke,
Starting point is 01:42:26 as you can see right here. It's not even a 9-11 joke, but you shoehorn 9-11 into it. That's fucking great. You got to be careful for the toques, Luke, to check the candy. You never know. There's weirdos out there. Parents, please check your kids. It's kind of blocked there.
Starting point is 01:42:46 This Halloween, I just found Carla Esparza versus Rose Nama Unix 2 in my son's candy bar. Be safe. That was a bad fight. Luke, I teased it earlier in the week, but guess who's been lurking in those Hawk Tua DMs? Is that a UFC fighter, right? What is that fellow's name that's been messaging me all week? The O'Malley boy. Sean?
Starting point is 01:43:03 Sugar Sean? That's my cousin. Wait, that's your cousin? No. But I tell people it is. I should get hooked up. Yeah, really? I could put you on.
Starting point is 01:43:11 He has a kid, don't he? What's he DMing you? He's got an open marriage, don't he? Dude, he's so nice. He's just conversating with me. He's like, what are you doing? No, wasn't he like... I had like five missed calls from him and I was like... What the fuck?
Starting point is 01:43:21 He's calling you? Yeah, like on Instagram. I didn't even know you could fucking do that. He's had some kind of hip surgery. Oh, so he's bored and lonely. Yeah, he did mention that. Someone just shoot me in the face now. Some guys have all the luck.
Starting point is 01:43:36 12-gauge shotgun, please. Wow. What would it take for you to listen to that whole podcast? Does this involve a syringe of the bubonic plague at all inserted into your eyeballs i can't and by the way it's like a wildly popular podcast society is cooked it's it's over for us i like talking more about fighters dms particularly brian ortega opening up a dm with t city look I gave you a fucking chance. I saw that you had posted
Starting point is 01:44:07 saying you were going through some shit, getting surgery or whatever the fuck, nigga. Time's up now, bitch. This is part two. Tell me you fucking love me or I'm gonna fly out to wherever the fuck you is right now,
Starting point is 01:44:24 T-City, and I'm gonna diddle your little ass boy. You ain't never been in a fucking cage with a nigga like me before. I'm gonna pull down them breeze and... Apologies for the double N word there, Luke. I didn't realize that happened, but... It's the favorite word of Tony Hinchcliffe, apparently. What did you think about those DMs, Luke?
Starting point is 01:44:48 That sounds about right. MMA fans in person are spirited, but relatively normal, actually. No, no, dude, we're not normal. Look at my face. We're the strangest people on Earth. I'm actually saying that they're more normal than you and me.
Starting point is 01:45:03 What I'm saying is online MMA fans, it's Lord of the Flies up there. Good Lord. Power Slap was in Abu Dhabi, and John Anik was sitting, I want to say cage side, slap side? Slap side. How about that, John Anik? Pounding a beard. That line is fucking his game up.
Starting point is 01:45:23 What's DC doing? We got to get DC up on stage. Oh, my goodness. Wow, he took that. And I took that shit home. John Onyx. What else is there to do at a power slap event? What, watch fucking truckers hit each other?
Starting point is 01:45:35 Luke, Dana was right. That journalist told you, okay? You haven't tried it yet. You haven't tried it. You got to taste it, okay? Oh, my God, I can't believe it. I went in person, and it was truckers slapping each other. Before Ilya knocked out Max, he had to sit down with DC,
Starting point is 01:45:50 and DC cut right to the chase here. Hey, I got to ask you a question. I just got to know, though. I got to know, though. Bro, like, you have a family. Your family has money. Your family is rich, right? Like, because you said you
Starting point is 01:46:05 go to two million dollar gym in your house you just won the belt how could you have that much money because I do start a part of the UFC I do many many things dude I was right of that when I first saw you I thought you looked rich you gotta look rich a little bit but but like now? No. Damn, champ. Probably I'm wearing cheaper clothes than you. Probably. No, no, no. This is nice clothes. That was pretty direct, Luke.
Starting point is 01:46:33 Do you think he's hinting at organized crime? What are we talking about here? I thought, I'm guessing he has a lot of sponsorships in Spain. Oh, okay. Right? Okay. He does have the most ridiculous in-home setup ever. He has a nice one. I don't know if it's the most. Dude, like some of these NFL players, even like LeBron's situation. Right. Okay. He does have the most ridiculous in-home setup ever. He has a nice one.
Starting point is 01:46:45 I don't know if it's the most. Dude, like some of these NFL players, even like LeBron's situation. Yeah. That is stupid money right there. All right. Let's get back into this, Luke. We're going to add somebody to the lifting gloves hall of fame. It's Teofimo Lopez.
Starting point is 01:46:58 Luke, your thoughts. Oh, no. And they're not even lifting gloves. Dude, this is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life. This does nothing. It looks fine to me. I mean, he's ripped, you know? Dude, again.
Starting point is 01:47:09 He didn't say the N-word in this video. He's going great, right? He did call Crawford a monkey this week. That was incredible. Yeah, all right. But here's what I want to make. First of all, you don't need the gloves unless you have super knurling on there. Yes.
Starting point is 01:47:22 Also, what is the fucking point of taking your feet off of the ground because it makes it harder to bench press, but it doesn't actually increase the load on your chest? It's load management. Right. If you actually want to get stronger, you have to put on greater emphasis with the weight, which you need to be rooted into the ground for.
Starting point is 01:47:40 It's a complete waste of your fucking time. Yeah, shoot the load. Luke, you've often said parents, if you care about your children children don't bring them to nfl games here's why about 4 15 about 4 15 i wake up i brush my teeth i scratch my balls and you know what i do after that i have a captain and black coffee because you know what i am i'm a savage savages drink we drink and that guy threw batteries at santa claus later in the afternoon i'm like yes welcome to philadelphia yes wow that's what you get well luke luke uh nfl games are not safe but the world series isn't that safe either watch these this couple celebrate that
Starting point is 01:48:18 freddie freeman grand slam walk-off in game one i mean if somebody has her number and can okay oh sir that is wow that is i don't know if children can be around that see the thing is southern california sports fans i found this out on the masvidal diaz tour yeah they're about that life i've heard i've heard that like there's a segment of dodgers fans that are absolute animals and here's part of them they broke out after game two lu Luke. Watch this. Focus to the right here on a potential slam coming your way. And we'll let the boys be boys.
Starting point is 01:48:51 Yeah. Oh, wow. Nice Matt return. They don't F around as I saw when Jorge Masvidal at that presser was like, come on. And people tried to climb the stage to fight him like they had to. They had a line of people ready to climb the stage to fight him. Well, if you want to see better fights, you've got to go to Dodgers games.
Starting point is 01:49:11 You've got to continue to go. Here's one from last year, Luke, that might fit the bill. I want you to watch a few things here. One. Could she be more sunburned? One. That guy just poured a full beer over some chick's head. So then we escalate.
Starting point is 01:49:23 Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Oh. head so then we escalate oh oh oh now there's going to be an oil change check here after the screen goes black that i really need you to watch closely let's watch it now sir this is a wendy's here what do we did you see that guy are we just looking at sexual assault i think he yeah this is this is don't take your kids to sporting events, Luke, under any circumstance. I mean, this is the Dodgers, but in general,
Starting point is 01:49:47 football games. Why would you ever go to a football game? Why? I wouldn't. Luke, you know what's getting out of control? I don't even know if we should show them these knockout memes. We respect these fighters too much to show this stuff. Holly Holm doing the KFC bit. I mean, they even get
Starting point is 01:50:04 into boxing now. Roley got it. Is this? That's the 619 right there. That's what that's called? Yeah. That's Ray Mysterio, right? Ray Mysterio Jr., yeah. His move is called the 619.
Starting point is 01:50:21 Why is it called 619? His area code, I believe. I believe, right? Right, Long Island Luke? You're asking the wrong guy. All right, all right19? His area code, I believe. I believe, right? Right, Long Island Luke? You're asking the wrong guy. All right, all right. All right, well, that's not interesting at all. Luke, white folks of the week time, let's go over to this.
Starting point is 01:50:33 Yeah, let's watch this. Oh, Jesus. Wow, that is one way to move a mattress. You know what? If you just want to get going early on the U-Haul thing, just do that. Also, don't bring your kids to concerts. Here's why. Oh, good Lord.
Starting point is 01:50:54 And also. Where the fuck is security? And don't bring them to football games either, Luke, because a power slap event might break out. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yes yes that's the best one yet damn all right if you're a girl and you're about to fight another girl how do you not grab the hair first it's the it's it is the deciding factor of who wins or who has the high ground we learned that from anakin versus uh but even then if you have the high ground, you can just pull them. Dude, you gotta grab the hair first if you're gonna do that.
Starting point is 01:51:27 Luke, fighter commercial time. Watch what Corey Sanhagen put together here. Oh, what Corey? Here we go. What made you think this was okay? Last week, you said, Corey, you get 100% commission on all your products you sell, which means more pain, more gain.
Starting point is 01:51:45 And then I said, more pain. And then you said, more gain. And I really thought that we were on the same page with the whole thing. Well, Corey, you hit someone with your car. Look at this. That had nothing to do with this. Corey, how far are you going to take this? Hi, how can I help you?
Starting point is 01:52:07 I'M A GENIUS! Corey, thank you. That was good shit right there. Shout out to Corey Sane. He was like Terry Tate, office linebacker. Yes, yes. That's a long distance phone call, Doug. Terry Tate, office linebacker. Remember that? That's a long-distance phone call, Doug. Terry Tate used to double-leg people.
Starting point is 01:52:26 Do you remember former UFC fighter Mark De La Rosa, who's married to Montana De La Rosa? Not much. Watch him help out local law enforcement here with this sick double-leg to take down a perpetrator. I see a Waffle House in the background. I mean, it's America. Oh, nice.
Starting point is 01:52:42 Yes. Oh, Jesus. Got him. Got him like Matt Serra in a restaurant, right? Wow. Yeah, that's good stuff right there. Who the fuck fucks with Matt Serra out in the wild? Nobody.
Starting point is 01:52:51 A dumbass. Nobody. He would have jumped off those cliffs in YMI. I'll tell you that much, right? Wow. Who else would have? Francis. Luke, it's Halloween time, so I'm sure Tukey is decorating the pumpkins at home.
Starting point is 01:53:02 Your family had a pumpkin decorating contest. Okay. All right. That's decent, right? All right. Got the knife in there. That's edgy. Got the blood. Yeah had a pumpkin decorating contest. Okay. All right. That's decent, right? All right. Got the knife in there. That's edgy. Got the blood.
Starting point is 01:53:07 Yeah. That's pretty good. Okay. That's probably mom's. We're working with something here. Yeah. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 01:53:14 All right. You know what? That one actually legitimately got me. That was... Luke, you can't have elder abuse before you have child abuse, so here's your poor parent of the week. Oh! Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, so hold on i've done something similar yeah i've delivered trauma to my loved ones not this bad this guy went way worse
Starting point is 01:53:34 but these things now are common so when we were kids we had the wood chips that you would fall on no i had concrete under everything i played okay but we i i remember some of my parks having the wood chips and this was back in the 80s and 90s. But now they've added this zip line thing. And Tookie fucking loves the zip line. And she kept doing it and being like, faster, daddy, faster. So one time I was like, are you going to fucking go faster? Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:53:57 And I gave her the old back to the future bit, like 88 miles an hour. She fell off of it. So we learned a lesson that day, ultimately, about how hard you can actually push the... Well, you've got to be careful of toques at the pool, too, Luke. Watch this family. We've got a big old beach ball. We're a big old beach.
Starting point is 01:54:17 Luke, let's go over to the garage and see this gentleman's fortunes. Oh! Oh! Fucking hell! Got him!
Starting point is 01:54:30 That went zero to 60. Yeah, yeah. Hey, all eyes on the next one right here. Speaking now to our correspondent, Gary O'Donoghue, who's in Minneapolis. And Gary, all eyes on this case. Yeah. You know what, Gary?ary's got it hard yeah you know what i mean gary was supposed to be fighting tatiana suarez too but that fight fell apart here um wow i take that back i take it
Starting point is 01:54:57 back right away okay hey let's see this next guy hitting on girls with my dog. Hey. All right. You ever see Dude Perfect, Luke? This is Dude Imperfect. Check this out. Dude, I'm kicking the ball off the side of the house. Okay. I got to bank it off of this first goal into the second goal. No fucking way he can do that.
Starting point is 01:55:21 Oh, no way. No chance. Okay. Luke, I got some great advice, life advice for you that's timeless. That's my experience too. Jack it a bit, let it relax, jack it a little bit more. When did you decide to stop?
Starting point is 01:55:38 I never have. BC's like, not at the bus stop. I can tell you that. All right, Luke. You ever think about cavemen much? Like, what if you had to, like, wake them up and teach them about what they missed? No. Here, drink this.
Starting point is 01:55:54 Ooh, ooga booga. You see that, Greg? He likes it. Yeah, that's great, but how do we break the news to him about 9-11? And Luke? I can't believe we do this In New York City Didn't you say your favorite Rap song of all time
Starting point is 01:56:09 Was Still Tippin' By Mike Jones It's one of them yeah This guy's favorite too You got What's your question How do you get out from the hood Do what
Starting point is 01:56:16 How do you get out from the hood I don't know I didn't grow up there You gotta come to the hood sometimes No I mean I'm down What I like Mike Jones Fuck it I'll get hood sometimes. I mean, I'm down. I like Mike Jones. Fucking, I'll get down.
Starting point is 01:56:28 Fucking fofos, I'm tipping. Wood, grain, I'm gripping. Turn your neck and you'll dang miss it. Me and Slim E.A. tripping on seat. A duo dot, I'm pole pimping. Car stop rims keep spinning. I'm flipping drive with invisible tie. Hose down, my drop stop out on second block with 418.
Starting point is 01:56:44 Can't agree with 11 screen. My gasoline always supreme. Hell yeah. Let's get it going. I can do about half that. I think that guy just fixed race relations for like a decade by doing that. That was perfect. Why don't you stumble through your words more there, you fucking dumbass?
Starting point is 01:56:57 Too cheesy. That's my shit for the week. I hope you like that. Not bad. Not a bad batch. Not bad. Wow, the best show in combat sports, two hours or less. Okay, you like it hope you liked it. Not a bad match. Wow, the best show in combat sports, two hours or less, okay? You like it, you get it.
Starting point is 01:57:09 Yeah. If there was a theme today, BC, it's that everyone needs to lick my balls. Yeah, yeah. That's what this comes down to. I mean, should I try to take any of these off before getting on the subway? You know, that's the real question right here. Let me see. How's my hair look? They kind of work on me, right?
Starting point is 01:57:27 Do you think they add layers of toughness or just suggested toughness? Like light toughness. They add layers of sadness, right? I refuse to put on any of the teardrops just in case anyone took them off. No, no, no. That's going a little far. Yeah, because I don't think I've earned that. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:57:42 Hey, what is your plans for Halloween, Long Island Luke, aside from marijuana? I mean, you just nailed it on the head right there. He's like Billy Joel records in marijuana. Kids don't come to my house. No? They know better. Like I see the nephew and nieces or something. How old are they?
Starting point is 01:57:57 They range. Oldest is 13. Youngest is one. If the 13 is still doing Halloween, it's time to have an intervention. She's probably not. I don't know what she's up to. But the one-year-old lives in your bio. What is the cutoff still doing Halloween, it's time to have an intervention. She's probably not. I don't know what she's up to. But the one-year-old lives in your bio. What is the cutoff year for Halloween?
Starting point is 01:58:08 When I went out my freshman year, I got told by two different houses that I was too old to be there. And that's when I knew. Dude, you did. I'm sorry. So I was 14. My freshman fall. I did it when I was 11. And I was like, I think I've had enough.
Starting point is 01:58:24 Yeah, but you were probably six foot four at that time. Okay, but I was in fucking fifth grade or whatever it was. Like, what is wrong with you? Sixth grade, whatever. Long Island Luke, when did you stop? I definitely remember still doing it in middle school, which would have been up to 14. I don't remember if I ever did it in high school. Everyone I knew in high school was still going out.
Starting point is 01:58:42 I remember when I stopped, it was because I was tall. You can't be both. If you're at a stage in your life where you're jerking off, you can't go trick-or-treating anymore. Oh, wow. Okay, yeah. I'm serious. Once you reach puberty, it's a wrap for you.
Starting point is 01:58:55 It's over. No, I personally think it should probably be eighth grade. That's probably the perfect cutoff. Yeah, I think mine was fifth or sixth. I was like, you know what? You're like, it's time to join the debate team. And then I remember asking the other kids other kids be like what are you doing and i'll never forget the first time i moved to a new i was i just moved to a new school and i was like what
Starting point is 01:59:12 are you guys doing for halloween and they're all like we're going bag snatching i was i didn't know what that was because i was you know an idiot and i'm like back snatching they're like yeah yeah we just we find other vulnerable kids and then we just snatch their bags oh that's awful we just threw eggs at houses that That was like our thing. Eggs and toilet paper? No, not even toilet paper, just straight eggs. And then you'd run as fast as you can and kind of hope they got close but didn't catch you because they'd beat the shit out of you and probably call the police.
Starting point is 01:59:33 You know who went bag snatching? Who? Ken, but don't tell him I said that. Oh, yeah, our great sound guy, Ken. He held us together today. We had some sound issues, but thank you, Ken. Thank you guys for watching this wonderful show. Outside of Luke's snot rocket, it was really a perfect, you know,
Starting point is 01:59:48 really perfect experience there. You can follow us on those socials. Check out our YouTube channels there. And also, you can buy our merch at morningcombat.store with the 10% off using our code LIVE10, L-I-V-E 1-0. Luke has been molesting his Mario belly for a while. This thing is fun. Do you miss having that?
Starting point is 02:00:07 Yeah, it's kind of fun. Luke, would you say you're in pretty good shape these days? I'm okay. I'm working on it. It's all a work in progress. But I'm, because I had to give up lifting weights because of my leg. It was so fucked up. I was on antibiotics forever.
Starting point is 02:00:19 You almost died. I'm actually, I feel like I've made a bit of a comeback at the gym. I've reached some milestones that were pretty good. That's good. Yeah, this thing's a little fun. This little made-up million-belly thing. It's a little weird. It's a little weird right there.
Starting point is 02:00:30 Hey, this is everyone massaging my balls after the weekend. I want you to know this is what everyone's doing. Yeah, we'll be back on Friday. We got a good UFC fight night this weekend to get you fired up for. We do. We actually legitimately do. Yeah, so we'll hit that and maybe a little bit more. So check us out 11 a.m. there no boxing this weekend there is uh oh shaki foster rematching uh robeson conceso that's
Starting point is 02:00:51 a hardcore cut right yeah i'm into it though i'm into him he got screwed that first time so i'm he said he's gonna be more offensive this time around we'll see you better be okay we'll see what's going down what type of games are being played how's it going down right is you with me or what you know what i'm saying okay all right hey that's what that's that's the long island luke that's the regular luke i'm your boy bc take care of yourself on this monday we enjoyed your company uh like and subscribe and all that other reach around stuff but whatever um suck his payload does and take care of yourselves we are out thank you

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