MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC 309 & Paul vs. Tyson: FULL RECAP | UFC 310 News Reaction

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

What a wild weekend it was and MK is here to break it all down for you. BC and Luke are back in studio and kick-off the show by talking all things UFC 309. In the main event, Jon Jones made a dominant return from injury/layoff to retire Stipe Miocic via TKO3. In just his 2nd fight in 5 years and first in 18 months following surgery, Jones looked like a complete heavyweight threat. In what ways did BONY's destruction of Miocic add to his already GOAT-plated legacy?   After his destruction of Stipe, Jon Jones said he wants "f**k you money" to fight Tom Aspinall, but still prefers theAlex Pereira fight. From all of the fight week rherotic to Jones' post-fight reaction, do you now believe he will fight Tom Aspinall next and that the UFC pay him handsomely enough to accept it? In the co-main event, Charles Oliveira held off a furious Michael Chandler rally to secure possible title shot. At 35, how much of a threat does Charles Oliveira still appear to be in terms of regaining the UFC lightweight title?   Moving on to UFC 310, Luke and Brian react to the new card announcement, following Belal Muhammad's withdrawal and UFC's late replacements. And of course, we can't forget the boxing fight of the year as Jake Paul outpointed Mike Tyson in pointless, record-breaking Netflix main event. While it's easy for everyone to ask, in hindsight, "what did you expect" from a YouTuber and a 58-year-old, how much of a stain was it for boxing given the 65 million households watching globally that Tyson-Paul turned out to be nothing more than a scripted exhibition between friends? Given the controversy of Taylor-Serrano rematch, is there a market for a trilogy fight?  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Keyword behind. UFC 309 behind us. My name is Brian Campbell, your host, your co-host, excuse me, the alpha of the two, right? The American of the two as well. And this is the Indian born Luke Thomas. Luke, if we, you know, I was a little salty pre-show. Jesus, were you ever.

We decided to sit a little deeper in the eighth row and just roll out the balls and see what happened. Hey, listen, you know, it was weird, man. So we decided to sit a little deeper in the eighth row and just roll out the balls and see what happens. Hey, listen, you know, it was weird, man. Like, there was a lot of eyeballs on combat sports, and you always think that's what you want. And then you get it, and you're like, I'm good with this being a fight in pool halls and, you know, a van down by the river. I don't really need a bigger audience. The best part of that broadcast was obviously that incredible co-main event, the women's rematch, and

my thing buffered or froze for half of the fight. That's great. I couldn't believe how bad Netflix was. I've never had an issue with them before, ever, and they were ESPN plus bad, and that's bad. Well, we had that on Friday. We had the Republican National Convention on Saturday again.

I was like, dude, are they going to break up the fights on Saturday with a Tony Hinchcliffe routine? I didn't know. I didn't know how that was going to go. Well, hey, we're back at it. This is what we do. Thank you for joining us, folks. Hope you enjoyed the fights this weekend. We will break down those two monster mega events. Answer your

questions in DMs from Donks. And of course, Luke's going to find out what's in that she at this week and I hear it's a good one. Yeah, I do hear it. You know what? Here's the problem. Do we have Tyson Paul stuff in there? Yes. Okay, so we do have elder abuse a little bit.

Not footage of the fight. Do we have elder abuse at all? I don't know. I don't think so. I think other people get People were mad when I was like, dude, stretch this guy. You want to see Mike get stretched? And I'm like, have you listened to one second of morning combat? Elder abuse is a key component of what we do. In fact, you're right there.

Us being here is fucking elder abuse. I'm so tired I could cry. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I was up until 4. I worked until 4.30 Friday and 4 a.m. on Saturday. But that's what I signed up for. I did a little bit of the opposite. I did four on Friday, and then I did five on Saturday night.

Yeah, so I've been great to be around around the house. Let's bring in our third member. He's the co-host of the Main Card Minute. Yep. They call him Aussie Rules Long Island Luke. Noseda in the house. What's up, guys? How are we?

Great. Tired. You got anything to say? Say what you need to say. Pretty good weekend. You know, the fights were a little sloppy, but we made some money. Did you rip a bong with Gaff? We ripped plenty of bong.

What is your smoke of choice? I'm an indica guy, but I'll go hybrid as well. Okay, but which one? What do you mean, which one? What's the name of the variety that you ingest? Oh, I get different. I was smoking purple Wagyu this weekend. Is that beef?

You know what my choice of delicacy was? Gelato cake. That was the strain that I had. That's another good one. Yeah, sometimes, Luke, combat sports is so shitty that you got to just party to get through it. How could you watch that Paul Tyson fight

and think to yourself, man, you know what I need to be right now? Sober. Who the fuck says something like that? That was one of the worst things I've ever seen. Did you have a nice, what are we talking about? We worked all weekend. How's the Tukes?

Tukes is great. Mom helped me out big time. So, you know, her mom, I should say, anyway, helped me out big time. You call your wife. It's fine. It's legal, right? My brain's not firing. I'm not putting articles together correctly.

Do you have one of these John Jones marriages where you don't actually get married? No, no, no. I'm fully married. I'm fully married. But do you have one of these John Jones marriages where you don't actually get married? No, no, no. I'm fully married. But do you have one of these John Jones marriages? Man, there's a thing I want to say that would probably get me fired, but the answer is no. No, but my wife took good care of Tukey, and I

was able to carve out a little bit of time. And so I spent as much time as I took her biking on her longest bike ride that she's ever been on on Saturday. And she loved it. That was great. What a great time was I took her biking on her longest bike ride that she's ever been on on Saturday okay and she loved it so that was great what a what a great great job as her father um you by the way can like and subscribe to what we do here on morning combat every Monday once I'm sorry every Monday and Friday 11 a.m eastern time your brain's not working either on the youtubes uh and you can

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I mean, I think I have not received confirmation that anyone's behind the cash register, but I assume they are. This show technically exists, but I don't know if it actually exists. You know what I'm saying? Thank you for your support in that regard. We won't have Randy Couture today, though. He is booked. How good was Sean Porter on Friday, by the way, in hindsight?

He's great. Yeah, he's great. Fantastic. Yeah. But yeah, Randy is booked for today. I just don't think it's going to way, in hindsight? He's great. Yeah, he's great. Fantastic, yeah. But yeah, Randy is booked for today. I just don't think it's going to matter. Probably not going to make it, yeah.

Are you doing okay, Brian? You've had two weeks in a row, because you get here before I do. I get here at like 8.30. Yeah, you get here before I do. It's two weeks in a row where I've gotten here and I've waltzed into the room, and you're angrier than me, and that takes a little bit of work. Yeah, I'll be all right, though. All little bit of work yeah i'll be all right though all right all right i'll be all right um we've got a show so why don't we do the show um you know luke well you know we got seasons right explain to me how this is gonna go because the paul tyson fight was first technically on the weekend yes friday not saturday

and it was the bigger of the two i don don't know if you've ever looked at any Google trend numbers. Dude, the Paul Tyson fight. UFC 309 was big. Jon Jones is obviously a big attraction. But even then, Paul Tyson was a bigger cultural sporting event. Yeah, it's like pick your poison if you're a fan of the show. Do you want it up front or do you want to wait until the end? But what we're going to do is, based on the rundown you put together,

we're going to do all the UFC stuff first and then we'll end on Paul Tyson. Yeah, then we'll end on the sour note. And then we'll kill him on air for that. Okay. Hey, let's hit it with topic number one and it was the I don't know what it was. It was two old guys, but hey, we found out something about

it. It was UFC 309, of course, Madison Square Garden and the heavyweight main event. One year plus in the making as Jon Jones returns from an 18-month layoff and major surgery and just his second fight in five years to dominate Stipe Miocic via third-round TKO, send him into retirement. So, Luke, I said it, second fight in five years,

the layoff, the injury. Jones looked like a complete heavyweight threat. We can get into the Stipe side of it and all that, and should you take away or add on? What about Aspinall? We'll get into all of that. But first and foremost, John was the recognized GOAT coming in. He beat the greatest heavyweight in this promotion's history. What does this do or add on or anything?

What does this add to John Jones's legacy after UFC 309? Nothing. Nothing. It does nothing for his legacy. Just another really, really good name on it. I mean, at the very least, didn't it establish who he is at heavyweight, which we didn't get against Cyril Gunn?

Yes. You asked about his legacy. So I kind of focused on that. There are things that we did learn on Saturday, and for that I am grateful. I did feel like I've got a bigger picture and a better picture of John's athleticism at 37 I think it's diminished but still formidable is the way I would put that I looked at his offense I thought that it wasn't quite as good as it once was but still pretty potent and in particular he had access to

many different tools inside of the tool belt that I thought were very impressive. That Osoto-Gari, he hit the trip throw in the first round. I mean, that was awesome. That was really, really cool. Really cool. But let me just make a statement about the legacy. Yeah, make it. I went back and I watched the trailer that the UFC put out for UFC 295.

That was going to be the original meeting between John and Stipe. And the language that they use featured routinely, baddest man on the planet, baddest man on the planet. We're going to find out who's the baddest man on the planet. Guys, I think there's a lot to like about Jones' performance. I still believe that. But I went back and I watched a bunch of Miocic fights on the way here today. I was gobsmacked at the level of difference in his athleticism, recuperative powers, speed, his legs being there.

The win over Stipe was good for him financially. It's good for him in terms of I think he got the, if this is the end, he even said it. This is the end that I wanted. But you asked about legacy. And I wanted to. Beating that version of that guy means fuck all when your legacy is built off of much more legitimate light heavyweight wins and the accomplishment that comes with that. Yeah. And I didn't want to throw that out ignorantly and think that you're going to say, oh, this makes him from the number one fighter all the time to the plus one fighter all the time.

What I guess I was saying is there's a lot we can take away, and we're going to talk about Stipe and everything there. But for John to come back from the layoff, from the serious surgery, from the one fight in two years and that fight was one fight in five years and that fight was two minutes, basically, for him to just come in there and win and win dominantly the way he did,

even with the asterisks and the things we want to throw in. I guess that's what I was focusing on, legacy. The idea that John's legacy is multifaceted. It's the wins. It's the youngest champion. So many things. But what I think he's adding on is the consistency. And I know there's a big breaks in between.

But for him to come back and it looked like nothing changed. And I got to admit, like you, in the moment, I tweeted out a bunch of things that was like, big breaks in between but for him to come back and it looked like nothing changed and i i gotta admit like you in the moment i tweeted out a bunch of things that was like oh my god john jones is the king and the king is back i mean it was a statement sure now we have to talk about like it's kind of like tyson versus paul we had fears coming in that it was going to be pro wrestling and it kind of was we had fears coming in that jones miocic was going to be two old guys in there and i think in the moment i was so excited about what John did for himself, for him to come back.

Like, nothing's changed, and it's like 16 years later, this guy's still doing it. And I do think you can add on to that legacy, and there's certain parts of that. But was it in the end? Living out to our worst expectations. Was it two old guys? I felt after re-watching the fight two, three, four times,

I'm with you. I'm kind of getting souring each time even more. See, I was caught up in Stipe. Was he flat? Was he all these things slow? He was. I thought it was because of the first round beating he took, the final three minutes and 30 seconds where John sat on him

and elbowed him in the face 400 times, right? You watch that fight from the start, though. Something off about Stipe. The timing. So how about this? Go back and watch the rematch between Stipe Miocic and JDS2. This was the fight that was in Dallas. I think Ioana just gone draught.

UFC 211. Yeah, maybe that's the one, yes. That's Stipe and JDS in the rematch. JDS2, yes. Yeah, yeah. I was there, that card. Masvidal's on that card. I remember that one, yeah.

I think Cejudo might be on that card as well. What I'm trying to make is go watch his body language when they're reading out his name and when he's being introduced. He's jumping in the air. He's smiling. He's moving back and forth. He's loose. There's a complete difference in body language. And then BC, oh my God, please do not take my word for it. Double check this. Do not believe me just by me saying this. I'm sure many of you won't. So please take the Pepsi challenge and go watch how light on his feet. He doesn't move like crazy. He never did. But there's a flow and a rhythm and a bounce to him that is so markedly different than the version of the guy that showed up on Saturday. People think this means that you can't say nice things about what Jones did.

And that's not my argument. My argument is two things. One, Stipe was a corpse. Jon Jones fought a corpse on Saturday night. I guess I'm trying to figure out if you really believe that or if you think you've got to give Jones credit for those hard kicks to the body. So the first JDS fight, not the second. I mentioned I just referenced the second.

The first one, which was a Fox main event, JDS beat the living shit out of Stipe, and his recuperative powers are infinitely greater than what you saw on Saturday. So do I believe that Jones roughing him up in the way that he did for three and a half rounds really made a difference in the end in both how he looked later on and the fight itself?

Of course. There's simply no denying. But at the same time, I've seen Stipe literally take worse beatings than that and drive much harder than that. He was 40-fucking-2. Yeah, but have you seen him on a three-year layoff? Have you seen him with, you know? Right, he was at 42.

I mean, it's just insane how unprepared, basically, he was for the moment, not because he didn't train, but because of the circumstances he finds himself in. But I just want to be clear. Like, he fought a corpse, but that doesn't mean you can't say nice things about john the thing i want to point out is a heavyweight doing a spinning back kick or a turning back kick leaving their feet is impressive the osoto gari trip he hit in the first round by the way off of a leg kick an oblique kick was very his whole kicking game yeah was very impressive was very

impressive he was going right he was going round kick or cut kick to the inside, then deep in the middle, Stipe didn't have a fucking clue where that was going. He had a broad array of weapons that ranged from acrobatic to just standard fundamental. How about his jab from both stances for John? People think because Stipe was such a... His jab was a weapon.

Yeah. People think because Stipe was such a lifeless husk that you can't say anything nice about John. You're saying, well, he can only do that because Stipe's a lifeless husk. No, I don't believe that. I think it got exaggerated, and he was, like, really kicking his ass because of that. But it still looked to me like John had access to many of his core weapons and core offensive identity. The switching stances, the single strike where you just can't predict what's coming. He had some decent pop on his punches, too.

Again, I understand the conditions of who he's fighting. And his ground-to-pound top. His ground-to-pound was just, it's always been a nightmare. Brandon Vera getting his face broken is key to that. And by the way, it's the same trip he hit on, I think, either Matt Yushchenko or Stefan Bonner. The point I'm trying to make is I can appreciate that John looked, we got a bigger picture look at John, and I liked a lot of what I saw. But if we're going to ask, like, how representative would that be

against a different opponent or what it means for his broader legacy, well, that's where the answers, I think, now need to change a little bit. Like you, last thing I want to say is like you, when I was watching Saturday Night, I knew that Stipe had been knocked down a peg. I didn't realize how far it was until I went back and I watched older footage. I was like, oh my god. So I do

think we have to regrade some stuff, but I don't think we have to throw the baby out with the bath water. John's got some ability. We should recognize it. Well, Dana glazed John heavily afterwards, like you would expect. And I, in the moment, I was very caught up in just how awesome well-rounded and dominant a performance that was. And it doesn't take away from that,

whether Stipe was a corpse or not, John came in prepared. And the thing that Dana harped on, which I think is true, John's IQ was through the roof. And we always knew that he's coachable, is a hard worker. He can adapt and all of that. But I mean, his IQ will serve him well. I think when you add in that power jab, always knew that he's coachable as a hard worker he can adapt and all of that but i mean his iq will serve him well i think when you add in that power jab the threat of his kicking game for the most part even against an old opponent i was very impressed with what i saw the part that i wasn't fully impressed luke and obviously this this bears weight on our second topic which will be the

potential of this aspinall fight do you think john's punch defense was a little off? Did you pick up on that? A couple times he was retreating. He was retreating heavily. It was, he was getting hit with slow punches from steep in round two that I didn't think he'd, he'd, you know,

have no problem picking up on. There was just a little bit. And again, we're talking about two older fighters coming off a big layoff since, I mean, you know, legitimate injury return from John. There was just some parts of that that I didn't love for John.

Because remember, this is really our close-up of who John is at heavyweight here in his late 30s. For the most part, very impressed. I was a little nervous about that. What did you think about his defense and some of the over, outside of him having great success in, you know, putting his foot on the gas offensively, what else did you know? So we're talking about defensively, right? So he's got that long guard, and this is not new. Posting on a shoulder, even posting on a face as he retreats, that's not new at all.

He's been doing that a long time. There was some stuff where he would even release the post and just resort to straight-up running. Chandler did something similar, by the way, against Oliveira. By the way, both fights, the first Chandler-Olive both fights the first Chandler Olivera and the second Chandler Olivera didn't cost him as much in the second one but in any case so a lot of that was the same a lot that was the same I do admit though there were times when he didn't do that where he would release the post and then just turn his back and run and I'm like it looks

uncomfortable um well I think he was. Here's the thing. If you cut corners in a fight because you know your opponent can't make you pay, that doesn't mean you would do it against somebody else. Sure. But what I can say is if you did that against somebody else, like a Tom Aspinall, it would go real poorly. We don't use that name on the show. It would go real poorly for you. But I'm not saying he would. He literally might have chosen to be like, I know I can just get away with it.

So it would be one of those things. So again, I thought if you just look at what John, the performance that he turned in, we're not talking about the greater context, just how did it look. It looked pretty good. It looked well-rounded. It looked dangerous.

I mean, look, there's so many heavyweights that with a combination of his IQ, that big jab, and the threat of his kicks, he's going to be a major problem. And oh, by the way, he also can take you down, or if he goes to the ground, we'll have no problem staying a submission threat. I mean, he is everything, Luke, if you're being fair,

that we kind of wanted him to be at heavyweight. It's just now that it's coming when he's older, when he's inactive, and in this case, it came against somebody who didn't give us the full representation. Unfortunately, this is the biggest crime so far. John has two heavyweight fights. This thing we were waiting for for so long. And neither one gave us that firm, full understanding of exactly where he is.

We learned a lot more here. I was very impressed in the moment with John. Just feel like, you know, rewatching that. Now you're starting to pick out where stipe really never was stipe and let me ask you bc relative to cormier 2 or gustafson 2 how much of a and this would be inevitable this is not an attack per se how much of a physical decline in john are you able to now notice 20 and what gives you the confidence to say that i think i think the reactions to to punches like i'm saying i was a little bit concerned by that it wasn't as quick it wasn't as confident and maybe this plays into you know our second topic which we'll get to ad nauseum

but this whole idea of like is john only doing this anti-aspinall stance because it's all about the money and he's doing a full-on negotiation takeover? Or is it because he fears that he would lose to Aspinall? And I think we all wonder that knowing Aspinall's hand speed and power. But I think that I didn't see full confidence. Now, it's understandable because John's coming off a layoff and a serious injury, but I didn't see full confidence in how he dealt with the potential of Stipe striking in terms of the body language and in the way that he moved and all of that. So, but I also think like, look, he's got to kind of prove to himself too, that he can do this at this level.

You know what I mean? When you are gone for that time, it is a lot for the mind to run in, in, in question himself. I think he's still kind of learning who he is as heavyweight right along with us. And with that, it brought, no, he's not the same guy as those, those people you read, you meant you referenced by any chance, but I think he's a more well-rounded fighter. Now I think he's used the time off effectively. He's training like crazy. I mean,

we're going to play a video in a second about that spinning back kick that shows that's not a lucky strike that happened. Like he is a true class student of this game. It's can he hold off those physical failings and, and continue to stay efficient and is he going to be able to hurt people consistently i think the full package you showed consistently he's got one more fight left tops i mean there's i don't know what consistently at all i will say this i don't want to beat up on the commentary team because we know anik and i think he does a

phenomenal job he's the bet one of the best if not the best play by play guy in the entire sport he's just a credit to the sport itself. We love John Anik. And I think these guys are dealing with restrictions on what they can reasonably say because there's no other way to explain. And this is more a criticism of Rogan in D.C. Are you trying to say the hoofie didn't look like prime Conor McGregor when Conor was Conor? He had some cool moments.

He had some cool moments. That look away uppercut was badass. I know, but that statement was made like 500 times. But like the way in which they tried to present this, like we were still living at 295 again, which by the way, even then it didn't even make any sense. Within a year and a half on top of it, where you're like, they're trying to be like, you know, this is,

they were trying to be like, you know, if you can, even in the Paul Craig fight, they're like, I mean, if you can submit Jamal Hill, you can submit anyone. And I'm like, Jamal Hill's a good fighter, but what the fuck are you talking about? That's a legacy fight for John. That doesn't make any sense at all. And then in the main event, they're like, you know, to beat this, to beat Stipe Miocic in like the greatest heavyweight. It's like, dude, he's not fighting the guy that whooped Verdun.

They were heavy on propaganda. It was to the point where I was like, dude, what the fuck are y'all? This is not even real. It's not even remotely accurate you're not describing reality this is something else and i don't feel like that honestly does a bit of a disservice to jones who again if you're just watching jones he did a lot of very cool awesome things there was a lot of ability he still showed but now we're having to deal with this propaganda about oh it's the baddest guy on the planet and did he they are playing to his ego at every turn though i think it's calculated

i saw i saw so many casual fans being like dude to beat the guy who was the number one heavyweight i'm like fellas fellas he's closer to jimmy carter than he is fucking you know he also got knocked out by the best heavyweight right now franc Francis Ngannou, right? On his last one, yeah. I mean, I really felt like this is what I mean. People keep talking about the UFC as a free speech organization. They're the most restrictive free speech organization on the planet. That's who they are. And part of it bleeds into any number of directions, not least of which is the commentary.

And then you get this representation. And again, I think they're doing the best that they can with the rules that they have been told. But didn't they do that with the whole Ghosn situation involving John? I have to go back and listen. They talk about Ghosn as being the number one heavyweight that he beat. It's like Ghosn was coming off. Of a loss to Francis. And a near loss to, not not near loss but like a scare against

Tuivasa bit of a back and forth against right in a fight where you're like did he take a step back in his you know and his evolution and his growth and all that it is a constant propaganda reframing of it it really is but I wonder if it's like calculated to pump up John's ego calling him the pomfropon number one as he walked into the press conference like there's been signs maybe changing the gloves because of him. Just maybe. Like, there's been signs that they are trying to keep him as confident and happy and almost worshipped as possible.

Let's hear from John, though, because that finishing kick, I wish we could show you the highlight, was absolutely nasty. And it was a shotgun sound. It was like when I was ringside for Golovkin versus Matthew Mack. Do you remember? And that body punch went? Do you remember when who was the big kicker, the Russian guy that Ben Askren beat up in

Bellator? Are you talking about Koreshkov? Koreshkov. Remember when Koreshkov broke seven of Chance Renkow's ribs? Yes. That was a loud noise. This was a strike, by the way, that John had prepped continuously coming in. Let's hear from Boney.

I really want to give a shout out to my taekwondo coach, a guy named Paige Bates from Albuquerque, New Mexico. His family owns Bates Taekwondo in Albuquerque, New Mexico. We started about six months ago. All right, guys. I don't think this clip has been on. All right. Well, what? Can we just take it off the fucking screen then? All right, guys, I don't think this clip has been a good one. All right, well. What? Can we just take it off the fucking screen then?

All right, so ensure. This is the worst show in America. In short, John said that they would work on that kick for three hours a day. I believe it. I'm sorry, three hours a week focused exactly on that kick from both shoulders. He's done the kick before. This is not the first time. Right, but this is a weapon at heavyweight against these slower fighters.

A heavyweight who can leave his feet like this. This was my biggest takeaway from the fighter, one of the biggest ones. John still very much is a very good heavyweight. I don't know if he's the best one, and I'm saying. He's the most well-rounded, we're saying. He's definitely the most well-rounded, for sure, at the experience level that he's got. Even if Francis is number one, you know, John's experience is just absurd. it's second to none um i don't know if he's the best one he could be but at a bare minimum he's

still very much one of the one of the top guys in the division i don't think steve amy ochich can beat anyone in the top 15 15 wow okay you say that you're ready for this wow dude this is not a deep division okay hold on you say that i mean he's old as shit fine you say that i didn't believe that either until i went and looked myself and i was like i cannot confidently say he beats any of these dude there's a lot of ty burrows in this division ty burrow beats him did you see ty burrow on this card he beats him i'm not i'm not long island luke i know you're busy does marching ty burrow beat this version of stipe ah fuck that's a that's a tough man tough match okay he's sitting at 12 11 marcos hogerio de lima stipe beats him okay 50 50 hold on pause one second long island luke what's up

was stipe old and slow and washed this entire fight or only after jones took him down the entire fight i think i'm realizing now it was the entire fight i mean we were talking about it before dude i was already pretty toasted by the time the main event came on. But I will say, on paper going into this fight, I thought Stipe was going to look old as shit, so I'm not that surprised that he looked like that. Now, maybe he does beat Waldo Cortez Acosta. What are we doing here?

Of course he beats that guy. 12 is Taito Iwasa. As bad as that's been, I think the handspeed could give Stipe a ton of problems. 11 is Derek Lewis. I'm sorry, Derek Lewis smokes this version of him. He does. Surprised they never fall, right? Surprised. 10, Rosenstruik.

The hand speed, sorry. 9, Tybura. 8 is Miocic. 7, Spivak. I mean, get the fuck out of here. Spivak washes him. I don't even know if that's a full fact. Dude, you're out of your mind. I can buy that Delema and Acosta. Dude, one judge gave of your mind. I can buy that dilemma and a cost. One judge gave Stipe round two against John.

I went back and I watched. I don't agree, but it was closer than I thought it was. It was close-ish, yes. I didn't agree. I gave it to John as well. But Stipe had no power on his shots at all. He had nothing. He had no pop.

And everyone wants to make it out like, oh. He was flat-footed, too. He would have been 34 years old before the three and a half ground-to-pound. And listen, the three and a half minutes of ground-to-pound was nasty. That's a lot. How did his face not break open, by the way? I'm sure it affected him. Dude, I'm telling you, BC,

the body language when he's being introduced before the second JDS fight, he's pacing back and forth, jumping in the air, biting on his mouthpiece, chewing his way, high-fiving his corner. He had a biting fixation. No, listen to me. High-fiving his corner. Like, dude, un-fucking this guy was just fucking sitting there waiting to be assassinated okay totally

different well look i admit it fooled me in the moment to thinking like pound for pound john was back if apparently a fool dana unless he's just being a great marketer let's listen to the ufc ceo react this is the greatest fighter ever but to do that to Stipe and just turn him off with a spinning back kick of everything, just what was your reaction? And the kicks that started right from the jump hurt him with the first kick. This guy's fight IQ is off the charts. And, you know, everybody going to admit now that he's the pound for pound best fighter in the world? Yeah, no.

And let me tell you what, this thing had upset written all over it too i mean steep all the talk about john jones um steep a seemed pissed focused and you know he came here to win he looked good he was physically in great shape the list goes on and on and john literally picked him apart the jab was unbelievable tonight um how he was kicking the legs and the body every time he kicked the body i thought it was over um and then he would go for the head kick and slipping punches i mean he's gonna be 38 years old this summer he looked he looked incredible i just don't know how any of you don't see that this guy's the fucking greatest fighter in the history of fucking people fighting it's he's 37 going on 38 and again tonight he he went in and did what he did he's fucking unbelievable and

as long as he's active he's the pound for pound best fighter in the world okay he's not and no one's arguing that he's not the goat by the way but what do you make like he's basically saying that he's the greatest fighter ever like i feel like they're they're now close to trying to say that that in competitive fighting in the history of it boxing you know kickboxing what what have you wrestling probably not right no well i mean if you include wrestling then he's definitely not right so are they trying to say is that you think that Right. So are they trying to say? Do you think that's what they're ultimately trying to say? I don't even pay attention to that.

If you wanted to say that this, you know. He's better than Muhammad Ali? I mean, like. Or, I mean, if, again, you're going to include wrestling, Alexander Karelin, like, get the fuck out of here. I mean, we're not, you know, multiple Olympic gold medals. Like, we're not. Just stop. Like, in a sport with a significantly higher participatory rate it is much harder to make the

russian national team or the soviet team it is much harder to get i mean just get the fuck out of here but okay that i don't care about if you want it to say hey as long as he's active or you know at any point i consider him the best ever i think that's totally fine that's a completely legitimate argument no problem and i think he's in the top three still par for power. Dude, compare, and you're going to hate this, BC, but just go with me for a second. And you know I'm right on this one. You can call me the fucking glizzy king for this. I don't care.

Compare what Ilya Teporia did against a... Hold on. Hold on. Are you not going to tell me it's more impressive than beating... Excuse me. You're going to tell me it's more impressive or commensurate for john to beat steepay this version of it i will not then beating fucking max holloway off of uh the three ufc 300 win it's just not even remotely the same accomplishment so do you think do you think it should go islam and then either alex or ilia at two or three depending

how you have it and then john at four four? Yes. Because I tried to just throw out there that he's probably still top three, but he's probably really fourth, which is, dude, to be 37 to have all this time off. It's amazing. The one thing Dan is right on is the well-rounded performance was eye-opening. You just have to obviously weigh it against. But you think that they're just basically doing full-on propaganda

machine. I think they're also trying, as we slowly transition to the second topic, I think they're trying to puff up John and they know that if he the easier he can win the more dominant he can look the more willing he's going to be in fighting. Um, love that man. I did love a lot of that offense

from John. I did love. So here's the deal. I listen to a lot of the pre-fight stuff and like people like Chael and DC, you know, the biggest question they had is could John and heavyweight be a finisher? Could he have the striking to finish guys? Luke, if he's mixing the kicks like he did against Stipe here and is setting things up with that big jab and can take people down and wear them out in that regard,

he won't be a one punch or one strike guy. I mean, I think he could head kick people out of there. But these kicks can get heavyweights out of there. His kicking game is incredibly dynamic at least it was in this fight and again that you did not have a fighter who had fleet of foot and was really using a lot of lateral movement he was slow going side to side and so he couldn't pick up any of those body shots no and john i went back and i looked john hit the spinning back kick from both the southpaw and orthodox stance because he was just getting him as he would fade to one direction

or the other you know when you got a guy who's kind of like incrementally stepping it's a little easier at a time but i wanted to point out something here they have john jones getting one of one on takedown attempts from saturday i'm sorry i went back and i watched it he there was a couple of i think at least one more pure wrestling takedown that he tried in the middle of the octagon they got completely shut down by a steepay one thing i did I didn't notice at the end of John's two Oh five run was he was having more and more trouble with the takedown. Now, obviously that fucking Osoto Gary that he hit was amazing.

Amazing, amazing trip, but his standard pure wrestling to me is not as dominant as it once was, as the sport has caught up small note, small note. That is definitely fair. Well, that takes us right into topic.

Number two, John Jones and what he does next. He came out in the cage and said, look, board has caught up. Small note. That's fair. That is definitely fair. That takes us right into topic number two. Jon Jones and what he does next. He came out in the cage and said, look, probably not retiring now. Didn't say Aspinall's name by name. Talked about Jesus, talked about Trump, did the dance and all of that. But then backstage, it almost

seemed like Jon changed his tune. We'll get to that. But, Luke, what Jon did say in the Post by press conferences to fight Tom Aspinall, he's going to need quote fuck you money and that he ultimately still prefers the Alex Pereira fight. So I want to play one clip and then I'll tee you up to get your reaction. But here

is John talking about what it would take to get him to fight Aspinall. What specifically has he said or done to make him an asshole? There's just a lot of people on his nuts right now. Are we doing this now? Is every clip like this?

John Jones t-shirts. I'm glad we found that out ahead of time. Okay, so John says that John went double down again on why he dislikes Aspinall. None of it seems to make any sense at all, but did say he's going to need fuck you money. So Luke Thomas from all of the fight week rhetoric, and we went over it like crazy about his John, a goat or a duck to what John has said after the fight. Do you a believe that he actually will fight Aspinall and B will the UFC

pay him and handsomely enough to make sure that they don't miss the Super Bowl? I don't exactly know what the future holds. What I can say is the information that has been presented to us would lead me, if that holds true, that no, he would not fight Aspinall. He says he wants fuck you money. What does that mean? Could it mean something similar to what he referenced what Mike Tyson and Jake Paul were getting? Respectively, we believe 20 million and 40 million. Yes. So let's average that out. That's 30 million. And in fact, that

30 million figure is kind of interesting because Dana White had previously noted that is what Deontay Wilder makes. John wants that. And you know, we're just not going to change the way we do business. He didn't say we're not going to pay him that this was a couple of years ago, I think 2022 when I when I found that clip. So here's the thing to me that like people really misunderstand about the situation. Everyone's like, Oh, John's got leverage. He's got some leverage. It's not to say he has no leverage. He has some. They would rather have him fight once more than not. That gives him some leverage. He doesn't really need to fight again.

That also gives him some leverage. However, the UFC has never paid anyone. Not Conor, not Habib, not Nate, not Ronda. Or Brock. Or Brock. Fuck you money. It's never happened. They've never, they, listen. They offered it to Francis for one night against John. Even that $10 million, that's. Fuck you money. It's never happened. They've never, they, listen.

They offered it to Francis for one night against John. Even that $10 million, that's not fuck you money. And UFC levels, that's fuck you money. No, no, no. John Nash estimated that John probably got around $10 to $13 million for Saturday night. He's saying that is insufficient. He wants multiples of that. He wants Deontay Wilder money, yeah.

He literally, people have the audacity to be like oh he's not ducking tom and john let slip and no one really picked up on this but he let slip i would need some money so great that it would basically ensure against the negativity and the feeling i would get from losing motherfuckers what proof more do you need that he doesn't want to fight the guy? Yes, if they come with a fucking Brinks truck. I want to believe it's about the money. I want to believe that this is all about posturing. What they're trying to do is they're trying to launder ducking through some kind of self-empowerment, I deserve to get paid kind of argument, permission structure, which I can see right through.

It's fucking bullshit. But more to the point, it's this, BC. If you really want to get fuck you money, it doesn't exist inside the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Good money, great money can exist there. Not fuck you money. They don't pay that. They've never paid that. We know from the court documents,

they're going to keep fighter pay aggregately every year at 20% or less. It's in their documentation that they want a fixed business cost as it relates to fighter pay. Second of all, while he would be valuable to them because they could obviously, depending on where their next television deal goes or whatever, when he fights, it's important and it's big. So they're not going to let him go fight Francis in the smart cage. Right.

They already have a system where they have minimized what they call the lumpiness of the pay-per-view model where it's big one time and small another, and it can be quite difficult to predict or at least count on event to event what you're going to get. They have more guaranteed contractual revenue than ever. You mean to tell me that person has leverage over a monopoly that controls basically the entire industry? They make 90 cents of every dollar in the entire MMA industry? It's not possible. The way to get fuck you money is to do what Francis did.

That's how you get fuck you money. And if anybody could have done something similar to Francis it is John John's essential argument is I have enough leverage with inside the monopoly system to make the monopoly bend to me once will that your question was will they do it I don't think they'll do that I mean if it's hard to know but all evidence suggests they've never done that and I don't think that's going to change I think the only one that would have had a chance to get FU money, real FU money, would have been Habib if he would have come back for the Conor rematch at that point. That's the closest you're going to get.

And by the way, maybe John's like, maybe John sits out. I've got to have a chance to talk. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'll finish here. I apologize. Maybe John sits out a year and a half, and he gets even older and older, and they decide we really want one last big one.

Maybe then they come calling. Hard to say. We'll see what kind of year they have. But as it stands today, I don't think that's likely that's what i was going to say in that clip that we weren't able to play the sound john basically threatens and says you know just how much aspen all doesn't interest him how much proton is the only fight that does and how basically hey i'll just give up the belt and retire if that's the case so i think that's the only leverage john will have left really is to threaten that. Okay.

Then I don't want to play ball at all. So maybe it's good for John, this next audio piece from Dana for how big Dana thinks that John versus Tom fight can actually get. It doesn't have the potential to, it's going to be, it's going to be the biggest heavyweight fight ever. It'll probably be the biggest fight we've ever done.

And I hate stadiums, man. I hate them. I like arenas. It's just such a better vibe. People can see better. You know, probably not. And that fight will obviously take place in the USA. We don't know.

We're talking about, we were literally talking about a lot of different options tonight before we came in here. So England's a potential could be anywhere could literally be anywhere okay so dana's interesting luke biggest fight ever he's basically saying that this will be from a revenue standpoint i think he's saying and that would have to beat connor versus habib which set the mma pay-per-view record of 2.4 million and was an insane gate just the same. So I wonder what the middle ground is. What if, you know, John's like, hey, I need Deontay Wilder, 30 million,

but they get him for 19 and a half in negotiations. Because if they're pretending, if they're already pretending that this is going to be the biggest fight ever, they're going to have aggressive reason to want to get John back, especially since they can say, John, okay, you really you really want to fight poet on then we will guarantee you fight him next if you go in there and take this this tom fight and win yeah i don't think that's he doesn't he doesn't want the fight so john in the clip that that won't play he goes on to say that which i hate the way the term the way he's doing this i don't want i don't have any means

to fight dangerous up-and-comers anymore and that that he just wants Poiton because it's such a legacy fight. Blah, blah, blah, blah. He wants dangerous champions. Dangerous champions. And then, you know, when you mix that with what he said about Jamal here and Derek Lewis, I don't even think he's trolling us. And sadly, I no longer think it's only 100% of a ploy to get more money and to negotiate publicly.

I want to believe that. I want to believe that he'd even risk like his own name and all of us calling him a duck and all this bad, you know, PR. Then you can say, well, is there such a thing as bad PR?

Maybe he's playing us like a puppet. I no longer think that when you take all of his quotes in totality, he's afraid to lose to this guy. Yes. Not, you know, I'm not saying he's not afraid of, he's not afraid of him.

He's not afraid to fight him backstage. He's afraid to lose to this guy, which leads me back to some of those moments against Stipe in the second round where Stipe's flat-footed, arm-punching, and John's having almost trouble believing he can stand in there and swivel with that. John looks great. The UFC sold it as he's back and he's pound for pound number one.

But we're really learning from John that he doesn't believe he can win this fight. I think he certainly has doubts about it when you say you want money sufficient to make you feet like soothe the pain the inevitability right when you say you want money to basically soothe the pain from a loss what you are saying is yes at that point the money is so great that i don't care that i lose your note he's not putting those conditions on the poet on fight why why would you put one condition on one fight and not the other presumably people think oh you're gonna make more money doing one versus the other i actually feel like dan is right on this one i'm not saying it will be the biggest fight in ufc history i don't know here's what i can say bc john jones versus tom aspinall is everything john jones versus steve amioocic pretended that it was.

It is for the, you know, Francis is out there, but as a marketing tag, you could say it's for the baddest man on the planet. You could say it's for all the marbles. And by the way, it would be one of John's very best wins on his already very, very respectable and decorated resume. That's where we are. But this notion that he would be equally willing to fight Tom, equally willing to fight Poiton, is out to lunch. I don't think he's afraid. I think he's a smart fighter who knows he's lost a step or two and wants to hedge what's left

and using what little leverage he has left to get there. Whether it will be effective, I have my doubts. We shall see. Now, Dana, for the record, said that seeing this performance against Stipe means that he doesn't ever want to see Pereira against John because he thinks John will just take him down and sit on him

and basically dominate him and doesn't think it's worth it. Dana also kind of hedged it though and said only if these two came begging and they wanted it so badly, but I hate that he put that out there too. I like that at the very least, it seems like UFC is making that line in the sand and saying, if you want to fight, it's got to be Tom.

Both guys have number one contender fights. Yeah. Onkolaev is a donk, but he earned it. Yeah. And Tom Aspinall, by the way, you could say he's not an established champion, but he is a dangerous champion. He's the number one contender.

Both of those guys have number one contender fights i know that sometimes it's not fun to acknowledge like the architecture of fight sport that makes it have some legitimacy but if you break it on moments like this where the guys are so obviously deserving of the opportunity you really begin to risk eroding any semblance of legitimacy that the product is already struggling to hold on to. Oh, you must be referencing Tyson Paul. We'll talk about that at the end of the show. I'm just saying, like, people want to believe that what Jon is saying is, I have the exact same amount of fear of fighting Poiton as I do Tom Aspinall. Guys, in certain places, Jon Jones is more favored to beat

Poetan than he was the ghost of Stipe Miocic. He is the underdog to Tom Aspinall. Use your brain. Well, Jon, just playing into the joke, we can show the update he's done to his social media accounts in the new Avatar, which is the duck with that.

But Luke, it plays into the most important question here. The early offshore odds have this basically a pick-em. What do you think the odds should be? And just early, like, are you seeing a path for a Tom knockout or are you seeing a really competitive potential five-round classic? I think this fight would be so exciting for as long as it lasts, and I don't know how long it would go. That's really a function of what John can do. Here's the way I think this fight would be so exciting for as long as it lasts, and I don't know how long it would go. That's really a function of what John can do.

Here's the way I size this up. Saturday night, my initial impression was John looked so good that I would now slightly favor him over Aspinall. I'm going to walk that back a little bit. I would either say 50-50 or very slight lean Aspinall. Aspinall's athletic gifts clearly are

going to give John problems if and when they ever fight. But, as we've said on this show a million times, Aspinall is untested against anyone who could do anything to push him. We don't know about his cardio over the long haul. We don't know about his explosion. We just simply

don't know. And that is a decisive advantage for John to the extent he could put the fight there. For these reasons, BC, again, Poiton, I want to say it one more time, guys. Everyone's like, oh, the Poiton fight would be better. You're a fucking moron if you believe that. You're a fucking moron. He is more.

Oh, no, I can't stand it. You can dunk on him, but don't team bag him. You can say, I want to see John versus Poiton because I like both guys. And, you know, to the extent it stands up, it'll be fine. John's going to do to him what he did to Stipe in the first round. He's not going to stand with Poetan. What the fuck are y'all smoking the same purple Wagyu that are fucking Long Island? Luke's over there smoking.

That shit will get you high as balls. The reality is maybe the Poetan fight is a little bit bigger at this point. I think, you know what's funny? I used to think it was way bigger, BC. Now I think it's only a little bit bigger because the Aspinall fight has grown in value significantly over the course of this week. It's going to be prime theater to watch the first couple rounds

if we get this fight of seeing John navigate the power and speed of Aspinall and see him try to keep you know, keep that distance, take the fight to the ground. And what happens if he does get top position on Tom? I mean, this could be a, this could be, maybe this will be their biggest fight if it happens and it's promoted right. And it's. Dude, they're going to promote this.

I'm telling you, it's going to be fucking awesome. They're going to old school promote it, right? Yeah, I think they would do. I mean, John. Press tour, press tour. Come on, come on. I think I'm telling you, if you look out luke if they did a press tour they don't spend that money anymore i know okay well we're talking ifs we're talking ifs if they did a press tour for the title

unification at heavyweight john jones steve excuse me john jones tom aspinall how big do you think that would be promoted the right, how big is that? I still don't know if it's doing like Conor numbers, but it would be big. It's not going to do the two million buys plus that Conor and Habib did. That's not what I'm saying. You could do a mil, though. I think you could do a mil plus. If they did a million and a half, that'd be a monster.

Monster win. Monster win. That's exciting. And one more point that we never discuss. If John wins, right, consider that. Consider John winning. He would get one of the very best wins at all in his career. He would be getting it at age 37, potentially 38, right?

A gigantic payday. I mean, he would be, at that point, you would be getting to have an argument like, John's the best ever, and I don't even know. God, I want to see him do it. John, you would be getting to have an argument like John's the best ever. And I don't even know. I want to see him do it. I don't even know. John, I want to see you do this. I don't even know if it's debatable anymore after that.

By contrast, this is the point I want to raise. If Tom Aspinall were to emerge victorious, we keep talking in the sport about how we don't have enough star power. Well, here's one reason why. Because a lot of guys don't want to put it on the record or on the line so that star power can transfer from the old generation to the new generation. Max put it on the line. Max put it on the fucking line. And look what it's doing for Ilya Teporia.

You are enabling the next. Look what it's doing for you. I mean, I got a boner here from here to Hanover. But I'm serious, BC. Robert Whitaker suffered because he never got that shot against gsp to grow his legend tom aspinall and the heavyweight division and mma will suffer if he never gets an opportunity to grow his legend worth considering show gun was like fuck this kid i know john jones annoys me it's i don't want to fight him it's like who gives a fuck that's the final point it's like

i think we've figured out what this really is from Jon, and I hate this look for him because of how great he is. It's cool when Jon Jones wins and he's on top and he's awesome. Like, you're watching greatness and brilliance. I want to see that. I want to see that on display. They need to pay him whatever the middle ground is that'll get him to accept it. They need to do it, and let's see this fight. Okay fight okay final question on this topic i think it's an important question do you think

the only chance we have for john to fight francis before they both are 40 is if john goes through tom and wins that's got to be the only way it's possible right because some have said on twitter twitter's a cesspool of misinformation and misogyny. It sure is. And racism. Yeah, they love the N-word on Twitter. But people say, well, hey, doesn't Francis only have one fight left on his PFL deal?

Yes, that is true. I'm not saying Francis and Dana are going to be friends again, but could the door open? Could the door open in ways we don't realize it could the thing is this john signed i saw people being like oh he's trying to get a new contract guys he signed an eight fight deal in january of 2023 there is no new contract because john francis is like our mma rumble in the jungle like this is like that would be fucking huge or even tom aspinall versus fucking sasha dude you put that motherfucker in the studio as far as I care.

Newark, yeah, let's go. Yeah, Newark Penn. I mean, I've seen worse, you know. I've seen ass there. I didn't need to see the Tyson fight, yeah. Every time I go to Newark Penn, I'm like, is that Mike Tyson's ass or just a homeless guy? In all seriousness, if Dana really wanted to,

there are some options here that they could have. I mean, could you imagine bringing Francis back to UFC? If John doesn't want to do it and they don't want to pay him francis comes back and fights tom aspinall holy motherfucking shit bro i know that vince mcmahon's under some shit right now that's of his own doing it seems but vince would have done this like say what you want about vince mcmahon i don't know enough about wrestling that psycho businessman he'll he is so addicted or was so addicted to doing what's best for business and the company because it's the only thing he cared about. People he had Dana versus Francis type riffs with, and he's had it with so many. Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, CM Punk, whatever. all come back home in the end because it's best for business. And Vince was able to swallow his pride because he cared more about those,

you know, the wins in the box office than anything else. Dana could adopt a little more Vince. I'm not saying like, you know, he should invite threesomes into the boardroom and like, and you know, defecate.

I'm not necessarily going that far. Yeah. It's a little, it's a little, you know, it's all alleged though, to be fair, but damn. All right, let's keep the show going. You Yeah, it's a little more. It's all alleged, though, to be fair. But damn.

All right, let's keep the show going. You ready? Let's get fired up. Topic number three is not just the UFC 309 co-main event, which turned out to be theater, but the rest of the card as well. And in that co-main event, Charles Oliveira holds off a furious Michael Chandler rally to secure maybe at 35 a possible title shot to regain his lightweight crown.

So Luke at, at 35, how much of a threat does dough Bronx still appear to be? If he might be in line to fight the winner of Islam versus Saruki in two, which could be January at the Clippers new stadium. I'm sorry. I say that one more time. I misunderstood the question.

How Alvarez got the win. Wasn't easy in round five. How much of a threat at 35 is he to regain the belt against the winner of that proposed title fight? I thought there was, again, a lot of positives, some negatives from this one. We're talking like net-net. I think in general, he is still very much a threat to get to the title and to take the title.

I don't know if I would favor him overall, but he is arguably next in line. A rematch with the winner of Saryukyan versus Makachev is a rematch for him no matter what, right? Because he has fought both of those guys. Certainly the fight against Islam was not very close, but the fight against Saryukyan was. And for that reason, if Saryukyan wins, I don't know if they'll give him one, but it's something in play. By contrast, he could also fight Max Holloway for the BMF title, which is a different title than what you're talking about. But I'll say this about what you're basically asking is,

did he show something to you with this fight that makes you think he's still a viable guy to hold that belt? The answer is yes. Dude, he scored five of 12 takedowns on Michael Chandler. I just never would have predicted that. I thought that was a 10-8 round. And what, round three? I mean, he kicked the shit out of him. He had mount for an exor...

He had almost 15 minutes of control time in this bout. And the punching and the stand-up was so sharp. Standing right in front of him, picking him off, avoiding some of the worst stuff that Michael Chandler was throwing, in part because it's wild. But, yes, the wrestling, the offensive wrestling that I saw was fantastic you already know about his back control you already know about his passing you already know about his mount I will say there were a couple of times BC in rounds two and three in particular maybe three and four actually but certainly in

the middle portions where he would have the back for extended periods yes and he was not doing a lot of ground and pound and I think against the upper upper upper elite guys that could be a problem for him well that's what chandler's hittable in ways that saryukian is not and certainly islam is making the point i was going to ask you is is like is there a little bit of fool's gold because chandler takes such big risks because chandler got dominated for four rounds is there a little fool's gold that Charles will do better than he did against the two guys we're talking about who he has losses against in his last three fights?

That's the big question. What I'm saying to you is, I mean, it's hard to say how a second fight goes because those guys have gotten better too. What I am saying to you is, is Charles still adding meaningful improvements to his game to make what was already a very offensively minded and dangerous style even more well-rounded yes yes yes he is that to me is not nothing now the on the net net side has age made him somewhat potentially more risk averse in control positions or was it just a

function of michael chandler being very squirmyitty, dude. And also a very athletic scrambler. If you know you've got one, you're probably going to hold on for dear life a little bit more, right? Because to punch, your hands have to come apart. And once you do that, you're playing a different game. It's hard to say. I tend to think it was probably a little bit of both in the end. But nevertheless, the offensive wrestling, he got a takedown on Michael Chandler in every single round. Yes.

Wow. Didn't see that coming. And dominated on the scorecards until Michael Chandler, to his credit, at 38, despite losing two years in the Conor McGregor sweepstakes, he had a big rally. And Dana would reward him afterwards

by saying, basically, look, he's our Arturo Gotti, which is high praise, and, you know, almost said without saying that he'll have a job forever because it almost doesn't matter who he fights or what the result is. And that's kind of true, Luke. But this furious comeback, which I thought he was going to get a submission late. I mean, you know, there were dark moments there for Dobronks.

Luke, there was like 15 straight shots to the back of the head that set it up. And there were eye pokes and Chandler held on to the fence of the head that set it up. And there were eye pokes, and Chandler held on to the fence for long stretches. Keith Peterson was standing over them as Chandler was just elbowing the shit out of the back of Charles. Keith Peterson had a bad night. I guess what I'm asking is, is it fair to call Chandler fun dirty? Or is he dirty as shit as well, even though we love his moxie?

That's a great question. I think what you can say is this best case scenario he fought very undisciplined and should have been punished for it that's the best case scenario worst case scenario he is an outrageously dirty fighter you'll recall you'll recall dustin poirier has complained hate him why he complained after their fight that he was fishhooking him. Yes. For folks who don't know what fishhooking is.

In the wound, right? No, in his mouth. In his mouth, okay. He actually said, get your fingers out of my mouth. He was fishhooking him. So you can decide out there which interpretation is correct, but neither of them are good. Neither is exonerating.

And I tend to think after this long, it's a little hard to be like, this was strictly a problem of being undisciplined dude and also also i will say this too you can get on these guys for breaking the rules and they do but if there's no punishment bc and you're michael chandler why the fuck would you stop he's not gonna stop about him he's not gonna warn you how do you he's not gonna take a point fucking fish hook. Here's what's crazy. Chandler only got that takedown because he wildly missed a right hand after hurting Oliveira, and then he kind of fell into it and fell into top position there. But, like, if they got the finish after that, that would have been controversial as shit.

It would have been. If it was directly after that. It would have been insanely controversial. The referees don't enforce the rules. It drives me nuts. I do like when Joseph Rogan calls him berser berserker though by the way i like that i didn't i had the i had the uh commentary muted during that during a pay-per-view you can't do that shit during the during the co-man event i definitely did i didn't hear the commentary until i went back and watched the main event the second

time afterwards obviously chandler's fun obviously he's got a long track record of making huge crazy brawls he looks really small against olira, though. Did you notice that? Like, he looks small for this division suddenly. I know there was... Chandler? Yeah, I know he was talking about going to 70. Yeah, but dude, when they interviewed him after the fight, and he's standing there, and he's got what they call capped delts.

That's your shoulder, and he's got these fucking... He's got He-Man shoulders, bro. Yeah, he's insane. I cannot believe his physical condition. So, you know, yeah, we'll see him in fun fights against anybody. Also, you didn't ask this, but, like, we've had six fights with him in UFC now, two and four.

Yes. But against all the competition and it's all firecrackers. Totally. Totally. Now you have a good sense of how good he is. Is he the best lightweight in the world? No. On the right night, he potentially could be, but more often than not,

it'll lose to the best guy. But to your point, he's going to be a fucking fireworks every single time. I mean, I'd love to see him against Max eventually. Yeah. And he did call out Conor again. The worst call out I've ever heard. I don't know. Whose Conor call out was worse, him or Buckley? Okay, not as bad as Buckley in that case.

Let's go to Oliveira quickly. So he wins his 23rd UFC fight. So that puts him into a second place tie behind Jim Miller, who extended his lead to 27. But think about this, Luke. Olivera's 35. He's very much in the mix. Might get the next title shot after the champion defends it in January,

if that happens. And already, Olivera has the most finishes in UFC history, the most submissions. Dude, if he stays active, he may be the one who takes that most wins and kind of pushes it out there and extends it a little bit where it's not like Jim Miller or Magni or Arlovsky are kind of lingering and still hanging on in some cases to get that like is he already on his way to not just being hall of famer but being considered like a true true true legend if he retires as the

all-time winningest fighter on top of that like I don't think I've ever framed it that way in my head. But we're going to have to talk about him as one of the greatest. Yeah, it's one thing to get up 20 wins in the UFC, and a lot of those are against unranked guys, or a lot of those are just mid-card guys. And those fighters themselves were never champions. Orlovsky was in a different era, but Cerrone was not, and certainly Jim Miller was not.

I'll say this. I don't know if he'll occupy the space you're talking about, except for two conditions. One, he recaptures the title, or it's the BMF title. I actually feel like if he gets the BMF title, it almost becomes a coordination of the very thing you're talking about. It becomes becomes like what prize do you give a guy who does that at the elite level you give him the bmf title now of course you have to earn it but you see what i'm saying he will have earned the kind of prize beyond again the biggest one would be recapturing the weight class title sure but i guess what i'm saying is absent recapturing a title even if he gets these wins against ranked, I just don't know if the story is going to follow

him in the way you're describing. Crazy though. If you had most wins, most finishes, most submissions, you were a champion. You were beloved. They make murals of him in Brazil. Everyone, it seems, no matter where you're from, loves this guy as instant entertainment at the very least. He's still got some big fights

to make. We didn't give Stipe his due in the last two topics from the idea that he did retire in the cage afterwards at 42. And I kind of wanted, like, we know who we all kind of think is in the upper, upper room, the top five, I like to say, of the true goats. And, you know, we talk about the ad nauseum. Sometimes we whisper the idea of what would be our five to 10.

Is it automatically like Jose Aldo and, you know, Cormier level guys, Randy Couture in that area? Like, what do we do with Stipe right now in terms? I mean, let's talk this out. Not everybody deserves a ranking. Let's talk it out. Let's talk it out. That's such a great question, BC. Okay.

In their upper room, in no particular order. We don't have to fight it out. Sure. Jones, DJ, GSP, Silva. Fedor. Fedor. Okay, I would put Aldo there, but fine. And Habib's on the outside looking at it.

Okay, so those are five. I would have put Aldo there, but you would put Aldo at six. No more, right? Aldo, Habib. Who else? Randy. Randy. Amanda.

Yes. Where's Ted? That leaves you one more. DC. DC. DC. DC. I think DC's like 6, basically. I mean, him and DC. DC's claim to fame is he has titles in two weight classes.

Yes. But he did lose to Stipe twice. And lost to John twice, but only lost to those two. That's it. So he would be, Stipe, under the way we just discussed it, he would be probably at 11 or so, outside the top 10. Sure. Now, I think people might disagree with that. probably i'll say this he's bubble top 10 well he has two reigns which is great he has two wins over cormier and only jones has beat him which is great

and he has one over francis granted different kind but still he has what the most title defenses total before and the the win streak that he had where he made his name was largely against former champions yeah you know of course you've got arlovski but you got mark hunt on there you've got like dude like the the the wealth of who he beat is impressive as shit you won't respect some of these names i know phil defries by the way he's like kicking ass over in ksw poland right and uh steve steve beat him in 43 seconds. Is that Russia or Poland? That's Poland. Shane De Rosario, who's tragically passed away.

Stipe polished him off. Roy Nelson. Gabriel Gonzaga, who was a murderer for a time. But then Mark Hunt, Andrei Arlovsky, Fabrizio Verdum, Alistair Overeem, JDS, Francis Ngannou, then Cormier twice. Yeah, that's pretty fucking good. And when you do that to Verdum as UFCistair Overeem, JDS, Francis Ngannou, then Cormier twice.

Yeah, that's pretty fucking good. And when you do that to Verdum as UFC champion, too, that's not like old-ass Verdum. He took the title. And, by the way, did it in Brazil. While walking backwards. Yeah. While running backwards. Yeah.

Okay. I'm fine with that. So he's like 10 to 15. Not that, again, everyone needs a ranking there. So that bubble area around the five of Habib, Aldo, and DC, that's a tough area right there. I mean, that's a secondary tier. Why don't people respect DC like they should? To me, he's like automatic, like sixth, seventh at worst,

and people think he's just an also-ran in the champions. They kind of treat him like a big, goofy brother. The amount of name wins that he has and the dominance behind some of them dude again and if you watched his strike force run live like his fight with josh barnett like that was a very very viable josh barnett as an opponent so it was the big foot at that point you know it's funny cormier told me about something so core i did a show in 2012 called mma uncensored live it was on spike tv at the time and we had cormier told me about something. I did a show in 2012 called MMA Uncensored Live. It was on Spike TV at the time. And we had Cormier as our guest.

And he was still fighting in heavyweight at that time because he was over in Strikeforce. He didn't need to go to light heavyweight in UFC. And I'll never forget this. He had just come off the Bigfoot knockout. Yes. Or right around that time. And I remember we had him in studio. And off camera, we were like,

hey, are you ever going to fight 205? He's like, yeah, I'm going to have to. Eventually I'm going to move there. He goes, but I love fighting heavyweights. And I said, why? And he goes, dude, I'm just going to keep it real with you. He goes, they are so fucking slow. Yes.

That's exactly what he said. His boxing against Bigfoot was ridiculous. He said when he fought Bigfoot, he could see everything coming. So I agree with you. DC was the fucking man in his day. I wish he got more love in that historic sense. But let's show that photo of Chandler got two slams in the final minute. And he yelled, like, fuck, as he did it or something crazy.

I mean, that's a great photo. He was probably like, fiddle sticks. That's kind of hurt, dude, right? Yeah. I mean, if you're Olivera, you can look. You tuck your chin a little. You see how he keeps close contact with his chin. The problem

you don't want to have is the back of your head to ricochet. You can notice he doesn't quite have ear-to-ear contact, but pretty close. The second one was hard as shit. Charles Olivera, once he's on your back, you're in trouble. Dude, Chandler's an animal.

Also, Chandler's an animal. Like, should we put the Arturo Gatti stamp on him above Gaethje and Poirier and those other guys? That's such an interesting question. I don't know how to answer that. The Arturo Gatti stamp. That's a great question. I mean, Dana did it. Dana did it on Saturday.

How high did he achieve Arturo Gatti? Won a world title. At one weight class. And he won 35uro Gatti? Won a world title. And won weight class. 135, I believe. Okay, so lightweight. And then he lost to Dale Hoy on pay-per-view, lost to Floyd on pay-per-view. He went to a very high commercial

level is what I'm trying to say, too. And he made the Hall of Fame, which was controversial to a certain degree. That's not a bad comparison, bro. The Arturo Gatti of MMA? That's a hell of a compliment, too. But you'd have to put him above Gaethje, though. That's what I'm saying. To me, Gaethje, even above Robbie Lawler, is my favorite action star of all time. Why wouldn't he be

Ward? Could one guy be Gatti and the other guy be Ward? Well, I kind of want to basically just put it to all these lightweights of this era. Basically, that group of Chandler, Poirier, Gaethje. Who else should you throw in? Is there a fourth Mount Rushmore?

Eddie Alvarez. Eddie was in some bangers. Eddie was in some fucking scraps. I mean, Hooker's now a core. Poirier. Hooker's been putting a few together lately. Yeah, I mean, all these fucking guys. I mean, that Hooker-Poirier fight.

They're all dogs, dude. Is that the best fight in Apex history? Hooker-Poirier? Yeah. It's up there. It's up there. I was going to say this, too. Credit to Chandler.

Yes. He got choked out from the back against Poirier yeah it's up there it's up there i was gonna say this too credit to chandler yes he got choked out from the back against poirier fucking charles olivera had his back for minutes at a time and did not get submitted he clearly worked on it and it worked he's building like a randy couture level love affair and respect with the american people like it's like michael chandler they love the shit out of this guy, as they should. I mean, he gives all. He gets clowned online. True. But yes, in person they seem to like.

Dude, he's action-packed. What's not to like? Did you know that Doe Bronx and Jon Jones are now like lovers? Like, they love each other, these guys. I think they're both like- Wow, what is up with all the Jones clips dying on us? It's very-

Okay, we're to do this. Let's go. You guys saw all week. They were like all over the place. Just a mutual admiration society. I saw that they prayed together, so maybe it's just some religious camaraderie. I don't know.

Maybe they just respect each other. As someone who doesn't go to church, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Let's go to Bo Nickel now. He goes the full 15 minutes with Paul Craig. Gets a wide unanimous decision victory. Gets booed, though.

And then they're chanting underrated. Overrated. Overrated, excuse me. And he does not go for a single takedown attempt. Now, Dana would ultimately be harsher than they were on the broadcast. But what is your take? Did Bo Nickel deserve, considering he's in there against a bigger and experienced opponent, deserve all this negativity for the performance we actually saw?

Maybe all the negativity, no. No, I think that was a little much. I mean, chanting overrated is a little much. The fan base has clearly decided that however good he is, the promotion has forced nickel on them, and they have been forced a nickel that they don't think is actually nearly as good as the UFC would like them to believe, and they have reacted very negatively to that.

Even with his MAGA. They turned. reacted very negatively to that even with his manga they even they they turned the thing is the thing about the thing about manga is like in the current i'm being serious like in the current landscape the manga thing can get you some likes and it can cover for a lot but at the end of the day dude like if they feel like you're a fraud in some kind of way. They think you're Colby. You're Colby. Yeah, I know. Exactly.

There's plenty of people who are MAGA who can't stand Colby. You know what I mean? Right. So it's not a decisive factor. But the point I wanted to make was, BC, I'm a little bit of two minds. And this is why I'm going to say where I'm at. But I really am curious to hear where you're at on this. Sure.

So on the one hand, Bo Nickel in his, what, seventh pro fight, beat a guy that beat Magomed Ankhalaev. Bo Nickel beat a guy that beat Jamal Hill. I know they only said it 15 times on the broadcast. Bo Nickel beat a guy that beat Nikita Krylov and did it without any wrestling or jiu-jitsu at all. He did it with his striking. That's pretty impressive. And he did it, he

blanked him. 30-27, rocked his shit in the third round, right? Had him kind of covering up with his hand because it hurt so bad. And so on one level, I'm like, that is great. It's also great if you're Bo Nickel that you got a full three rounds experience because you probably needed that just to get it, you know, to level up to the next kind of place that you're going to go to. And again, I want to emphasize it.

He didn't beat him with his A game or even his A plus his B game, you know, wrestling, jiu-jitsu. He beat him with his C game. even his a plus his b game you know wrestling jiu-jitsu he beat him with his c game but here's the problem bc it's definitely his c game yeah his striking left a lot yes to be desired yeah like the only negative no jab bow acted like he had just put on a clinic that was the only thing i didn't like about it you know i care less about stuff like that but to your, that's a fair observation. But the thing that really got to me was, I was like, dude, you're having trouble closing the distance, and so you're winging these overhands.

And eventually he got a little closer and it worked, but it took him like 10, 12 minutes to really get to a place where they could really find the mark. And where's the rest of the game? There's no foundational game to really close distance, cut the ring off, you know what I mean?

Like, work behind the jab. How many jabs did he throw? Three at most in 15 minutes? A lot of looping lefts. There's a lot of overhand lefts and overhand rights. That's not going to get the job done up the food chain. So everyone is like, oh, he sucks. I'm like, guys, he didn't use the very best parts of his game.

Well, it's one of those. I'll tell you exactly what it is. He's going to benefit from this in the long term because where else are you going to get that exactly what happened? 15 minutes of a tense fight that wasn't close in terms of the scores, but it was a lot closer in terms of, excuse me, the back and forth than what we saw. Whereas if he took Craig down, and let's say he did get an early submission

and look dominant in that regard, we would still be saying, okay, well, what about the striking? And we need more evidence of it. He would need more evidence himself, in my opinion, because you can only really gain this in the fights with these stakes. Now, I guess the only negative is that he doesn't look like he's ready to destroy, you know, the elites and fight Hamza tomorrow or fight for the title. It's a little bit humbling in that regard. And maybe I didn't love some of the, you know, the quotes of Bo or the way he acted. I mean,

it wasn't like cocky or, you know, idiotic about it. He was just a little too, maybe full of what he accomplished there. I think this is something he accomplished the time that he gave himself. That's going to be so super valuable and help him. But I think it told everybody, including Dana, who I don't know if you heard this, it was almost a little bit harsh from Dana who was like, yeah, the kid needs a lot of work. And he showed us that tonight.

You know what I mean? It was in, and that's not wrong to be fair, but. Bo's going to hurt PR wise for whatever that's worth for a while until he goes in there again and actually shows us the thing is how quickly can he improve that striking that's what I want to find out because uh it wasn't up to the level we need I mean let me ask you this was kind of surviving wasn't throwing a lot himself you know we're talking about like you know could steep a beat a guy inside the top 15 and there's no doubt in my mind if Bo Nichols using his a and b game he also can beat guys inside the top 15. But the question is, what is the right move? You see, let me read you 11 to 15. The question is

not whether Bo Nickel could beat them. The question is whether any of these fights make sense given what he showed and what he'd be up against. Don't say anything until I read them all the way through. 11 is Paul Ocosta. 12 is Jack Hermansen. 13, Anthony Hernandez. 14, Bullet Magomedov. 15, Michelle Pareda. I think he could beat a few of those guys. I don't know if it's a good idea or not to put him in there. In fact, I think it's not. I think he needs to fight outside the top 15.

Jack Hermansen is probably the perfect matchup because that could be a really tough night for him. But it would also show us a lot if he, whichever method he used to victory, right? If it was all A game and he looked dominant again, or if he really had to work for it and show us new layers. I mean, you can't substitute for what you learn in close

fights against tough veterans. You can't, there's no substitute for that. So if losses shouldn't kill you in this sport, even with the hype he's received, this was a comeback down to earth moment however you want to, you know, receive it. So it depends.

It depends how aggressive he wants to be. But Dana almost was almost like scolding him for being too aggressive or too confident in himself in that regard. So maybe he needs one more in between. But you're 28. You're comfortable at the pace, though, right? I think he'll be fine. And I think he's going to at least contend for a title. But, you know, Anthony Hernandez is sitting at 13.

I think that's a bad matchup right now. Yes. I wouldn't make a fight like that at all. No. And so for that reason, I'm like, you know, give him somebody like Roman Kapilov. Yeah. Who's got some takedown defense, who could light him up on the feet. That's the level that we need at this point.

That's the test I want to see, and then we'll see where he goes from there. All right, 42-year-old Jim Miller? Or was it 41? 41, I think. 41-year-old Jim Miller did Jim Miller things in his 40s, which is sub people out and look efficient as hell, winning his 27th UFC fight. Afterwards, he would say his desire is to get five more total fights

in the octagon, which would be 50. But he said there would be nothing that could keep him after that. That's his goal. Luke, that could be two years if he's active, but so it doesn't have to win those, right? He just wants the appearances. He wants to get 50 appearances. I'm sure he wants to win, but yeah, to your point.

Is there something that could or should be done to give him a fun matchup to really continue to play on what he's accomplishing, which is rare, or is it still just kind of mid-level fights, way to go, it's cool, but like, is there like, should they be rewarding him more, is what I'm saying. I think if you're this far, you should give him exactly what he needs. He's a great test for whoever you're going to put him up against. Yes.

Right? I mean, to your point, it wasn't like he went up there and got his ass kicked against Damon Jackson on Saturday. He polished him off with technical ease. But most of his wins in this run have been like that, where you're just like, damn. And Joe Rogan actually, I thought, did make a point that was good here. The guy's never had surgery. You're that far along. Motherfucker, I've had orthopedic surgery.

Like, how is that possible? He's never had it. It's after Lyme disease and everything. Folks forget he was a wrestler at Virginia Tech. That's Division I. He has been a technical black belt for as long. He his brother dan miller for as long as i can remember that was a phenomenal win you know what i mean so it just seems to me it's like dude you've got the apex you've got a million guys on the bubble they're jim miller's going to be a great test for

all of them you can kill two birds with one stone and make everybody happy yes two thumbs up all right there you go. Is there anything else on that undercard that you feel is worth mentioning here? They brought the old gloves back, and you had some knockouts. Oh, yeah. The Rahamai knockout. Thumbs up to the old gloves. The only problem Dana said is they don't have enough old gloves to put it on the Contender Series or Fight Nights anymore.

So they're going to have to do the new gloves on the Fight Nights and then the old gloves on the pay-per-views? Jon Jones played a role in this, definitely. You think so? Let's ask Long Island Luke. 100% Jon Jones is the reason. Is he the only reason or is he part of the reason? I do think Jon brought it up

and then they went, ooh, and these stats are backing this up too. Here's what I think. Long Island Luke, tell me if you think I'm wrong. I think the UFC brass got spooked by the fact that all the knockouts had declined basically across every division except one. And facial damage. People don't talk about that. And facial damage. And so I can accept that John may have been the straw that broke the camel's back.

I don't buy that it's because of him in that one singular way i don't know i i mean you kind of just said it there in your first answer too like they were leaning that way and then john was the reason but to me that's still john being the reason yeah well no but i mean if they're spooked it's a precondition yeah i don't know i i do feel like john definitely they moved the event from vegas to cali that time. I had a famous MMA manager call me after that event being like, dude, what the fuck is that? During Christmas week. I'm like, bro, you tell me.

You tell me. Wow. All right, Luke. What was the name of the fighter who beat Veronica Hardy in that first fight? Eduardo Mora. Eduardo Mora looked good. Yeah, because Veronica Hardy's been a bit of a hot streak. Yeah, in the power and accuracy.

And Moura took a tour. She took a tour. She has a swagger. Also, the women's fight on the main card wasn't terrible. No, it turned into something. And Karina Silva fired. Yeah, it was fine. It was fine.

What about that other guy? You like him? Hufi? Yeah. By the way, I didn't realize. We were calling him James Lontop. I didn't realize he was from Peru. So it's James Lontop, or as my wife would say, John Top.

Yeah. John Top had a nice firearm on his cheek. He looked like me on our Halloween episode. Let me go back a step. He did not have a firearm on his cheek. He had an Uzi. He had an Uzi. Dude, he was literally DJ Too Cheesy. Yeah. Like in dude he was literally dj too cheesy yeah like in real life

cheesy yeah he was tough as shit yes yes he was um hoofy i like i do like his game i mean the look away fucking uppercut was so sick ghb that's one guy right okay but dude he like he's got razzle dazzle and then nothing else it's like you need to build a jab and like yes cleaner entries and not just wait for a guy to like fucking overstep and then you know crash into him long island luke you acted like this this 309 pay-per-view card was awesome top to bottom are we missing anything there was a couple uh david onama taken on uh that was a freaking war romero that was a good fight their ass kicked in that one. Oban Elliott knocking out Basil Hafez. Thank you.

That's the missing point, Luke. Oban Elliott looked like a man after that. Dude, Basil Hafez is a badass. Yes, he is. And he sunned him, Luke. And by the way, Elliott was losing. He was 1-1 on one judge's scorecard. It was a good fight.

2-0. Yeah, it was a tough fight. And then he finished him off in the third. He's got swagger, too, man. He seems like a guy worth keeping your eye on. Very promising. He's got style then he finished him off in the third. He's got swagger too, man. He seems like a guy worth keeping your eye on. Very promising. He's got style. That's what all the girls say. He's got grace. Luke, you know what's hard to do

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And this is stuff I'm wearing right now because it fits great. It looks great. Me too. And I'm trying everything to look 5, 10, 15 years younger. That's why I get these fades, Luke. That's why I get these fades, Luke. Okay? That's why I get these fades. I get fades, too.

I mean, True Classic helps more than the fade, but both do some good work. There you go. Thank you so much. I like to consider myself a True Classic, Luke, just in case you're wondering. Are you? Yeah. In every way, I think. Are you a classic in, like, a good way?

I'm an inspirational tale you're a classic in the sense of like you know like a 1940s car that's just been you know kept alive in cuba or something what did sean porter say about tyson paul you know like one of them is a sports car you know what i mean i'm like a i'm like a 2020 orange group subaru cross track that's what i'm like all right let's go to topic number four, Luke. And hey, before we get into Tyson versus Paul, I got one more for you in the MMA space. It's UFC 310. It's finalized. We all know it's going down December 7th in Las Vegas, the last big one of the year. But with Bilal Muhammad pulling out, we had to figure out what's going on with that main and co-main. The UFC has decided, let's go to the full screen here of what we're getting here. The new main event will be Alexander Pantoja defending his flyweight title

against UFC newcomer Kai Asakura. And your co-main event, no interim title on the line, but it is a number one contenders fight is Shavkat Rachmanov. And the opportunistic here, Ian Machado Gary, are going to put it together. Luke Serolgon, Alexander Volkov, not a bad fight. But look at this fun slop on the bottom. Bryce Mitchell against Krohn Gracie. Sign me up.

And Nate, the train in the UFC against Korean Superboy. You got the all-flat-earth championship between Mitchell and Gracie, as you indicated. Dude, the winners should fight each other, right? They're all featherweights. Imagine, you know, let's do it. Yeah, you could do that. Let's do a donk tournament here. Luke, this is the rematch between but one more time very

quickly it's the rematch between gone and volkov they've already fought before yeah gone box circles yeah yeah so luke the question here is what is your grade for the new letter grade for the new 310 pay-per-view solid b something like that solid b, throw it up, and I'll tell you why. If I can. I apologize. One more time. Let's hit it. Here's why. The main event has no casual fan buzz, but is an excellent, excellent flyweight fight. I was going to ask you if that's risky, considering 301 in Brazil was like a dead pay-per-view

with Pantoja in the main event, even though all his fights have been great and the division's on fire. Listen, they are where they are. I don't think they have anybody else they could pull in. This is where they are. Yeah. Shaf they have anybody else they could pull in. This is where they are. Shafkat Rachmanov versus Ian Gary is fucking awesome. That's a great fight.

Gon versus Volkov too is not all that interesting, but not terrible and has some value for the heavyweight division. And then Mitchell and Gracie is just going to be, I mean, just donktacular. And then the last one's going to be a banger. So it has plenty of value to me. Thank you very much, Lugano.

Luke, a solid B. I want to talk about that co-main event for just a second, if I may. I mean, B cups are still good. It's like, where is he going? Oh, right, right, right. BC. Shafqat Rakhmanov. Undefeated.

So now I'm going to put away the boner for Taboria. Okay, I don't think you can take it. And here comes the Rakhmanov boner. Which you don't mind that one as much for reasons I don't quite understand, but. You know who's got a Rakhmanov boner? It's Laura Sanko. Loves Shavka Rakhmanov. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She and I have texted about it before. Oh, wow. Yeah. Debating who has a bigger fight boner. Okay, that's just getting awkward. It got awkward. Getting a little weird. Yeah.

All right, but here's the point I wanted to make. The guy, undefeated and nothing but finishes, has a title shot. The guy who is going to fight for the title gets injured, and rather than sit out and say, I'm going to wait for my title, he says, you know what bring on all the bozos you can and ian gary's not a bozo i'm just saying oh not only that he dunked on the rest of the division did you see the tweet can we see the tweet yeah see the tweet here i'll read it out i don't have my glasses i'm very disappointed in our division balal

leon kamaru jack sean thinking so my brady there you've all let the fans down The only one who backed up his words is Ian And I respect that But make no mistake, Ian Gary I'm coming for your O and we'll fight for the belt after Now his manager obviously wrote this You should have been like, I'm coming for your wife too If you follow Rachmanov on Instagram All he does is like train, live a simple, peaceful life

Who's his manager? I thought it was Danny Rubenstein It is Danny Short of me making fun of his hairline that time Him and I have always been like simple, peaceful life. Who's his manager? I thought it was Danny Rubenstein. It is Danny. Oh, shout out to Danny Rubenstein. Short of me making fun of his hairline that time, him and I have always been like, yeah. He ignored my last text. I think he's bitter at me about something.

I'm not sure what. A great wrestler at OU, that guy. Yeah, no hair, though. The zippy hair going on up there. He didn't return my last text. Sorry, Danny. You got to return my text. I won't kill you on air.

The point I wanted to make is I have all the respect in the world for Ian Gary, who went from fighting a very difficult opponent in Joaquin Buckley change date change locations now takes on the even tougher more proven rock monov and rock monov said title shot i don't have it i'm not gonna sit on my ass and wait for it bring them up line them up and i'm gonna knock them down dude shouts to ian gary shouts to rock monov it's the best fight on arguably the best fight on that card. The main event could be very good. But it's so important that people take risks at this stage.

Dude, Shavkat had no reason to do this outside of like, I think I'm going to slaughter everyone and then wear parts of their body on my next ring walk anyway. So title, no title, whatever. But for as low as Ian Gary's PR's pr stock was with the whole thing and everything and i know a lot of the dumbest controversy made by the dumbest people in the industry yes but don't forget there were press conferences where every fighter was seemingly dunking on him and his wife in some way that was the worst industry in america it got out of control what has he done

since then behave like a fighter and say things like he says in this video right here. The UFC called us 15 minutes ago and said, will you fight Shavkat December 7th? I am going to say yes. I believe that it's far more important to talk to you guys and let you guys know first. Can you say you guys? Hey guys. So now we're in Phuket, Thailand for a chunky southpaw. Getting ready for Joaquin Buckley. Hey guys! anywhere, anytime. And the perfect example is give me the boogeyman of the welterweight division, and I'll stand in there on three weeks' notice,

and I'll find a way to beat him. Respect. That's how you deliver a PR message. We talk about, like, Jon Jones, and I don't love, like, the angles he's taking and the way he's talking about Aspinall. He's just making us say the word duck. That's the exact opposite of that.

Like, that's how you want fighters to behave. Go, like, hit the, they knocked, or the phone call came in. Are you ready to find out how great you are? He said, the fuck I am. I can't believe that the phony incel controversy bears no resemblance to the actual reality. You never wanted to break that down on the show. What is there to break down? There's nothing to break down.

It was stupid, yeah. Yeah, it was fucking dumb as shit. The sport's already dumb as shit. We don't need to go to the dumber sides to get into the other parts of it. But listen, I don't like his chances against Shavkat Rachmanov. I think Rachmanov's probably going to finish him off. But the fact that he is

willing to change opponents, go a week earlier against fucking Shavkat Rachmanov, Ian Gary has earned a lot of respect from me this week. Not that it matters, but I'm just telling you, I have been very impressed by his boxing. I am completely in on this behavior and him believing, and let's find out. So Luke, this replaces, though, pulls him off the card December 14th in Tampa,

the final fight night card of the year, the final UFC fighting event of the year. And it's going to be Colby Covington as the report, as the replacement against Joaquin Buckley in that five round main event what do you think about that it's not colby trying to fly in and steal the show on pay-per-view he's got too many losses lately what do you think of this matchup is he a threat to slow down buckley's momentum he could it's a good test for buckley i actually the last interview i did was with buckley this This was, I don't know, about a month ago or so. And he actually told me in the interview he would love to fight Colby Covington. In fact, I think the thumbnail is about that, that I put up for that,

because he was so interested in it. And then they made the Ian Gary fight, and, of course, that's an even bigger one. It's actually not as big a fight, I think, or at least that one to me was more interesting because about what the future told us and how that part is unknown. We've kind of seen the highlight of Colby's career, and now he's on the downside. I don't know what the UFC did to make it worth his while to take this fight. Probably something good for him. So that's fine.

But I actually think that Colby, for as washed as he is, is not so mega washed that he can't win this fight or to bare minimum make it interesting. Buckley has shown us real ability, but he's also shown us that a lot of it outside the striking is a little bit more recent and a little bit still shaky at times. This could be the test for that. So this is a great test. Five rounds. I like that even more. I'm assuming it's going to be five rounds because it's a main event.

So for that reason, I actually like... I'm not going to say I like these fights better or something like that. They all have their kind of charm, but it's a good fight for Rachmanov. If Gary wins, he looks like a million bucks. If Colby wins, that's his best win in, I don't know how long. It would revive him to a certain degree. He would be beating a relevant contender.

When was the last time he beat a relevant contender? And then for Buckley... A couple presidents ago. Exactly. And then a win for Buckley over a big name. This is a lot of wins to be had here. This is good news all around, okay? I don't think that 3-10 pay-per-view is going to be, you know. It's going to do bad. It'll do bad, but that's a hardcore.

There's a lot of hardcore stuff going on there that I'm into. Like I said, dude, after this past weekend of slop, I'm okay. Well, let's get into it. I'm okay with that. Topic number five is the big slop that went down in the big AT&T stadium outside of Dallas there. Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson, eight rounds. Wow.

So here's the deal. Jake Paul outpoints Mike Tyson in this largely pointless eight-round exhibition or pro wrestling, if you will, despite Mike Tyson having pushed for this to be a sanctioned bout. So Luke, it broke records on Netflix. We'll get into all that. But while it might seem easy for everyone out there to be like what the hell were you guys expecting with a 58 year old

how much of a stain do you think this is if any to boxing considering that 65 million households globally watched this fight live and this turned out to be nothing more than scripted entertainment between good friends and i'm just standing on that after what we saw is this a major fu to boxing now that you got all these casuals tuned into your sport what say you on this i don't think it's bad for boxing in any kind of meaningful sense right it's not like you had the results that we had and then people were like you know what? I was going to give boxing a chance, but now I'm just not, I just doesn't like, I was going to watch Zerto Ramirez at the Latino card in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, but you know what? Fuck you guys.

It doesn't work that way. Right. I will say, if you wanted to argue that if the fight had been great and in whatever version that would have meant, could that have gotten people converted? Even then I'm somewhat skeptical of that, but sure sure that would have been a lot nicer it would have been happy to talk about that but i don't think boxing suffers other than to say did they miss an opportunity or what was an opportunity missed i should say to potentially turn people into more dedicated fans you could make that argument however the co-main event was fucking awesome and 50 million people were watching 50 nomain event was fucking awesome and 50 million people were watching 50 no sorry no that's not right 50 million household household not mine because half of that fight was frozen thank you netflix i had to take but to be honest i was doing

a live blog for cbs i had to watch most of that night on an illegal stream it was the only stream that would hold right i had to watch an illegal stream at times netflix fucked that up we'll talk about that a little bit later but i will say that i don't i don't look at it in these existential terms but i think for me i did have a couple of takeaways bc i hope they all involve stains because this is bullshit first of all dude i have seen all of jake paul's fights and i've been to many of them jake paul's fights are fucking boring. They're fucking boring. The first Woodley fight was okay-ish. The second fight was terrible until that late knockout.

The Fury fight sucked. The Silva fight was... The Fury fight was at least tense and competitive. Competitive. I didn't say it was good. You can have competitive and not be all that good. The Mike Perry fight was a demolition. Me and Anderson Silva were kind of the same

we're okay right they were fine they weren't okay what's the what's your favorite highlight really one time he knocked diaz down in round five or the one time he knocked uh silva down like beyond that show me your i can think of a million bam rodriguez highlights that have nothing to do with knocking anybody down although there's some of those too that's my point like there's nothing to these. Here's what got me, and we'll talk about this, I think, in a little more detail, but I want to introduce it to the conversation. After the fight is over, my first read was like,

Jake Paul sucks so bad he couldn't even finish a 58-year-old guy. Not that he couldn't do it, but I don't think he wanted to get hit trying and to look bad trying, and so therefore he kind of pumped the brakes. You could make that argument the brakes you could make that argument or you could make the argument that he just had mercy on the guy and he didn't want to finish him off either way in the post-fight press conference he basically admits to like carrying the guy which is so fucking bad you can carry a guy when they're too tough for their own good but as stephen bretman edwards pointed out if you're going to carry a guy the point is to preserve their dignity.

Yes. You betray that by mentioning that at the post-fight press conference. But more to the point is there's a more sinister thing going on here. Jake Paul is not good at boxing. He's better than, you know, obviously celebrities, but he's not good. So a lot of what he does is fucking sandbagging. Okay? And people were bitter at me when i was like dude finished fucking mike off they're like he's 58 i'm like guys guys stop this stop this now please stop this

you cannot sandbag and then at the other end simultaneously say i didn't want to do anything because i have mercy on him i'm'm going to fuck him up, Ariel. I'm going to fuck him up, Ariel. Irrespective of the fact that you're just betraying the dignity you were trying to preserve, independent of that, when you say it's okay for Jake Paul to do that, you are saying you don't have to do and deliver on anything. You don't have to try. You don't have to entertain.

You don't have to do fuck all. You can make the fight against the worst possible opponent and do nothing in the fight and will say, well, you know what? He showed class to preserve Mike's. No, he showed his ass. That's what he showed. I'm like, shut the fuck up. Do not absolve somebody who is fucking sandbagging in front of you. And then admits it afterwards.

Either stretch this fucking guy or, better, don't make fights like fucking this. Like they had a small strike zone where they were going to make this super entertaining or make it worth its while of hype. We get that. We were in on that coming in. We all took the risk of what this could be because our interest levels were just so high, whether it was in the worst kind of ridiculous way possible or not, or the nostalgic way.

We got caught up in that too. But I don't want to hear another person say, what did you expect with a 58-year-old? Guys. Stretch him. Guys, do you know what I expected? Professional boxing match. Not a high-level professional boxing match. Not a back-and-forth competitive one.

I expected a boxing match where there was going to be a winner and a loser, and both were going to try. And I expected Mike to get stretched, right? I expected him to be dangerous for a round, maybe a round and a half, and then it would clutch up with him and he'd get stopped, and it looked like it was heading that way in round three instead what we got would have been worse is actually in a lot of ways my opinion worse than had mike taken the beating and got knocked out which we wouldn't want for him but he signed up for this and so did we by the way right so what we got was pro wrestling what we

got was not a fight. It was awful. And even, you know, even there was a short period of what you thought you were guaranteed to get, which is Mike emptying the tank in the first 30 seconds and at least, you know, seeing how Jake dealt with that. Both just left open periods where they could have punched and did nothing as if they're protecting one another. And then, you know, obviously after Jake heard him in round three, he could have finished him off with a hard jab probably, but carried him the distance. You can't do the,

I'm going to fuck him up aerial routine and the slap and all that on Thursday and then do this pro wrestling bullshit here. So what did I expect to fight? Because it was Mike Tyson who pushed for this to be a fight. So whatever it was going to be as bad or as gross or a sloppy, we accepted that we were going to judge it for its entertainment value. And the time we took to preview this and get, you know, and get ready for it,

but they're showing us that it was pro wrestling in the end. And Jake carried him. And yet some people out here are still saying, I can't believe Jake couldn't knock out Mike. Like, it wasn't a fight. It was what Mike did in 2006 that people luckily forget about when he did that pay-per-view sparring match with Corey Sanders, who was wearing a T-shirt, by the way, and it was so poorly received

that they had to cancel the rest of the pay-per-view tour, and then they basically were going to put Mike in Vegas and just have him be an attraction training in there where people would pay money to see it. It was like that sad. This was worse than that because of how many people they grabbed stopped. I know you didn't have to pay the pay-per-view. I know that.

And that's a bonus in this case. And the whole main event was unbelievable and should have led our show show to be fair with you. But when you get this many people's attention, you're entitled to attempt to entertain them in what you're promised that you're selling. Because there's a thin line here. There's always a thin line of combat sports between playing up the pro wrestling side of the promotion.

And, you know, we'll let you do that. Who knows if Mike Tyson was really mad when Jake stepped on his foot and slept. We were all like, whatever. It produced a moment. We talked about it. It got us to care a little bit more. But that wasn't a fight in there. And when the casuals who probably only last came for Mayweather, McGregor,

you know what I mean, or Mayweather, Pacquiao, and get upset all the time because they feel this sport is fixed and no one wants to fight each other and all that stuff. Well, what did we give them, Luke? We gave them no reason to watch boxing. And to be fair for Jake here, I think the bubbles burst on the Jake Paul experience. Luke, you nailed it. Like they jumped the shark right here. We always thought it was going to be a loss for Jake that would end this. Like what if somebody knocked him out? Well, that's the end of this crossover bubble. And to Jake's credit, as a master marketer,

he's kept this bubble alive and it's been the face of it. But Luke, how does the bubble go on from here on out? I know that's not our first point of emphasis to care, but I think Jake not only gave boxing the middle finger here, he kind of gave any respect people have for his own career, not based on that you took a fight against a 58-year-old, but that it wasn't even a fight in the end. And then you, and then you admit afterwards that you carried him and none of the punches hurt at all. It's like, then what, why the fuck did any of us care about this to begin with? I accepted

the potential slop that it was going to be, but at least be, at least be what you're selling. I, I, you know, it's hard to say after this, I don't, I don't know how what he does can be bigger than what this was now this was stupid as hell but in terms of its size and its scope which really i mean if you think about it bc like what does a what does a great career in boxing look like it looks like you know to the extent possible the maximum amount of legitimacy markers you could get a world title you know gold medal whatever uh you want to make a lot of money right and you want to take as little damage as possible he gave up the legitimacy part but he was able to speed run the money he was able to speed run taking no damage it's incredible right but of course that that messes up the equation because when you can speed run the other ones you're making a trade-off

in something that actually is not good for any of us so here's what i'm going to say i don't know that it's wise to say the bubble has popped but i am going to say two things one as i just indicated i don't know where they go from here to get a bigger event than this was right i just don't know how you do it and second of all there has to be some kind of recognition that like there's no there there not every fight has to be great not every fight has to be fun not every fight has to be the most important one but when none of them are important the expectation for some kind of deliverable to the consumer is heightened it is magn. And if you don't deliver on that, what the fuck is the point? If the fight between Jake and Mike,

excuse me, Jake and Mike Tyson means nothing because it doesn't, there's no ranking, there's no world title. It's not for anything in a division. It's just for fun. Okay, but it wasn't that either.

Well, then what was it? It was an act of nothingness. So my point is, I don't think it's wise to throw the baby out with the bath water here as well and say, well, there's nothing that he can do anymore with a match made against an opponent that the public believes would reasonably force him into some

kind of action or would be some kind of threat in a real way. So it couldn't be a tommy fury rematch it'd have to almost at this point be a real something like that something like that junior is that even too sloppy i don't know what the chavez junior won because he already lost anderson silva i'm not saying it's shut down but i'm saying like whatever whatever certain point whatever certain percentage of the real boxing public or combat sports media and fan public that cared about him under the guise that he's not for real for real but he's trying to get pretty close to it and he keeps talking about that payoff of fighting for a world title or fighting canelo like we we

kind of pretended to care still in this universe especially when he's fighting you know big name x boxers and mma guys and it's suddenly a thing again. I just meant, like, jumping the shark and popping the balloon from the standpoint of, like, why should we ever care again? Because who's next? Andrew Tate? Carl Frotch is embarrassing himself, throwing himself at him. Archer Betterbeave put out a tweet. I know.

Again, the commercial appeal is significant. And if you're Archer Betterbeave, can you imagine fighting, dude, Betterbeave versus Jake Paul would be legalized murder. Oh, that's not even on the table. But Jake wasn't even going after Canelo, if you imagine fighting, dude, Betterby versus Jake Paul would be legalized murder. Oh, that's not even on the table. But Jake wasn't even going after Canelo if you saw afterwards. He wasn't aggressively like he was in the past. This is my point.

I just need folks to realize on some level, Jake, you have to just take a second. I'm going to say things that sound obvious, but take a second. He's not good at boxing. He has limited skills to produce the kind of action or to guide about in a way that elite pros do because he simply doesn't have the ability. If he is hampered by that and he is hampered by the ethical concerns of the very fight that he booked, remember, he's the fighter and the promoter. If he's got ethical concerns about the fight he booked and he's not that good at meaningfully moving the fight forward,

what the fuck is the appeal to the customer? What is it? That's why I think this is such a bad stain. I'm not going to do the whole, it's such a bad stain on boxing. I don't think it's good for boxing at all. But I just think it's a bad stain on Jake because Jake then admits I carried him, even though there's people that like legit

like can we play the Dana sound? There's people that legitimately believe like Jake I think he pumped the brakes for more reasons than just mercy. I do believe that Well Image too. And also I think they're friends and he wanted to help Mike out but let's play the Dana sound please But he basically said

I told him Mike you're basically 60 years old. And he's like, you honestly think this fucking kid's going to do anything to me? He's not good. He's not going to fucking knock me out. He's not going to do this. And you saw him. He tripped when he was walking down the thing.

He had a hard time walking up the stairs. He had a knee brace on. And Jake Paul couldn't do anything to him. He made a ton of money. And I know people are mad. You stayed home on a Saturday night, but you didn't pay for it. You know what I mean? And, you know, this is what Mike Tyson – when Mike Tyson shows up,

everybody makes money, you know. Jake Paul is – I don't have to tell you guys. You guys know. Mike Tyson is the A++++ side of that thing. And he was right. Jake Paul couldn't do shit to him he was right and i was wrong i mean john jones would almost say the same thing too afterwards like they were like more ragging on jake for not being able to hurt him or finish him neither of these guys went for it luke why are people not seeing this like but whether it's a function of ability or mercy,

it almost doesn't even matter. But wouldn't it be really bad if Jake had a failure to launch out of fear or just didn't want the stain of getting caught by something from Mike? Yes, that would be equally bad. But this is my point. It's like either way, dude, if these are the conditions that you as a fighter and promoter have put yourself into, you don't get to after the bout.

Be like but I was trying to do X, Y, and Z. In anyone like you know. Did I want to see Mike get hurt? No. But then when Mike puts out that tweet afterwards. Which was his way of sort of like. You know telling us why it was all worth it to him. And that this is you know such a big moral victory.

And to some degree. For him to get the shape that he's in. And for him to command this much attention. Like it is a win for And to some degree, for him to get the shape that he's in and for him to command this much attention, like, it is a win for Mike to some degree, except for the fight and how some of us are talking about it. But, like, which direction was I going with it? Oh, wait. What am I teeing up here?

I just lost track of where I was in my head. Yeah, I just lost. It was a waste of time. What the hell was I? Boxing is fucking— People are like, what do you want? Do you want to knock out Mike? It's like, again, if you weren't willing to do it, then don't put him in the bout.

But boxing is dangerous. Oh, no. No, sorry. The tweet Mike was saying. So that's the whole point of this is Mike basically said that when he had that medical emergency on the airplane, he's saying that he lost 26 pounds, needed six IV transfusions. Blood transfusions. Blood transfusions, excuse me, to survive and almost died.

Like, this 100,000% should not have been sanctioned as a real fight. No. And if it had played out what I'm complaining that it didn't, Mike would have been in serious trouble here, right? He could have been. This is my point. If you can't have an opponent, like what the fuck is the point of having a commission if a guy in this kind of medical condition can get a license even with amended rule sets? He should have never have been in that ring.

Wouldn't you say Mike tweeting that mixed with Jake agreeing, admitting that he carried him and that this was a farce? Aren't they just showing everybody what this was? Yeah, they just jacked off at everyone's faces. Yeah. In Mike Tyson's case, showing us his ass. Well, let's see it. Let's see it. What's your prediction?

Vicious win. Vicious win. Thank you, Doug. Love you. Love you, too. Look at that ass. What are we doing here? I mean, it was one of the great crazy moments.

It was during a time when my screen was frozen and I couldn't figure out how to hit play, so I missed it live. So I didn't get to see one of the greatest moments in TV history live, but thank you, Mike. What a moment. King butt cheeks over there. I mean, this next quote from Jake just makes me mad, too.

Let's hear from Jake. Trevonta Davis just posted that he would beat the brakes off of you if you guys fight. Yeah, I mean mean I'll be down Let's run it like I'll be super super down. I don't know. I don't know if Devonta needs Jake Paul. Let's be clear, right? Is there a is there a height limit in boxing? What about you and Conor McGregor are are you interested in that yeah he'll never do that though he knows he knows way way yeah let's wrap up that talk um a lot of people calling him out

you don't want to see carl or even andre ward showing that anybody who's a legitimate threat to stretch him i'll watch that okay but like would that fight let's say it was andre ward or carl frotch would that be well well received because it's at least in theory leveling the playing field i don't know i don't know what i don't know what state i don't know what andre looks like he's in good shape still 40 yeah he's also our boss let's be very careful about that but uh he was on the desk and he looked to be reasonably spry and he was telling the the truth about Jake. He was. Give him respect. Carl Froch is, in his own way, kind of telling the truth. Dude. Froch is calling on Jake's lady, though.

He's like going for it. Okay, that's a little much. But the point I'm trying to make is, you know, going after this event, you cannot do, in terms of its success, as a financial result or even a pop culture moment. It was enormous. I'll say this, BC.

It was very successfully promoted super super well promoted but there is nothing to the jake paul experience and they showed it to us in the end they showed us the guy behind the curtain in the end it is completely devoid of like what makes boxing great you could make a list of things. He takes all of those things out and then asks you to still watch. Go fuck yourself. I don't want to watch that. Put some danger back in there. Put some suspense. Put some mystery back in there.

Put some difficulty. Put some competition back in there and I'll watch. That's what I'm saying. He sold his own soul for this fight. Everyone did and I guess we're all lucky. Maybe I should change my analysis that Mike didn't get laid out in that regard. But we should be talking more about this co-main event. Katie Taylor, Amanda Serrano, too.

And it was amazing. It was an all-action war, and both sold out. But unfortunately, the headbutts from Katie Taylor played a big role. Do you think she was fighting dirty? Not purposely dirty, although that was hilarious when Serrano's obnoxious trainer, Jordan Maldonado, was like, we love Katie, she's a great woman, but she got a big head. Yeah, she cheats every time. And Serrano would pull back her original post-fight comments about the cheat.

No, but I do think she's very aggressive with that, and maybe in ways that the referees don't admonish or warn her enough for. And Luke, I think the bigger topic is she gets a Canelo level of benefit of the doubt on the scorecards in any remote close fight. Now, in the end, this goes down again, like the first one as a very close, basically flip the coin fight. But there's some arguments in the side of Serrano winning here. She landed the bigger punches throughout.

It seemed to my eyes, even though both fought like warriors. And she landed 107 more punches, according to Combibox, in total. Like 50% of her power shots. And Katie Taylor was docked a point in round eight for leading with the head, was it? So, I thought Amanda got a raw deal in a very close fight in the first one. I scored this rematch for Amanda. It could have gone either way, yes,

because in this two-minute round format, which Katie is forcing them to do in this series, and women's boxing in general is still using when it just makes no sense, it is hard to score some of these rounds because both are just selling out. But Luke, I don't want to use the word robbery, but I also don't think it's wrong to score some of these rounds because both are just selling out. But Luke, I don't want to use the word robbery, but I also don't think it's wrong to say

damn Serrano did not get the benefit of any doubt in any of that circumstance, in my opinion, to have two amazingly close fights in this amazingly great series and have it be unanimous decision loss again here. So I'm going to say we're short on time, so I don't have a whole lot to add. I will say this.

I went back and I looked at the stats. She resorted to, and always does, Amanda serrano is a prodigious body puncher dude i have seen enough body punchers in mma and boxing complain at the end when their decision didn't go their way or even the scores were much closer than they imagined because katie taylor headhunted but it had a demonstrative effect the cut well. Well, she'll square up and just let go. And Amanda went heavy to the body. So people pointing out to the fight stats being like, oh, well, look how much more she landed. And I'm like, I really don't know how much judges actually count body punching that doesn't produce a, or like a change in behavior. If they just eat it, it's hard to know any value that it has.

You don't win fights on the CompuBox sheet. And it's got to be hard to track those in a fight like this where they're just throwing. But 107 more and a couple other. And the point deduction, too, it's like. When I rewatched, I did think it was very close. It's closer than I thought the first time because also I lost a bunch of rounds

because of the Netflix stuff. I also thought Amanda won the first one, and I thought she won this one. She deserves to get 3 minutes in 12 rounds with the point deduction I really think Amanda should have won absent that it's very close

it is but she would so benefit that's why both fights she pushed for to try to get the 12 rounds 3 minute rounds I don't know it's nothing against Katie Taylor she's great here's a sound from Katie Taylor she doesn't give a damn you have the headbutt from the Serrano camp what do you attribute And it's nothing against Katie Taylor. She's great. Here's here's a sound from Katie Taylor. She doesn't give a damn But from the Serrano camp, what do you attribute those head butts to how did those happen in your opinion? It just happens sometimes when you're fighting against a cell phone, especially

the fires going close and and it just Just happens. I Was a completely accidental. I mean, they're calling me a dirty fighter or whatever but that wasn't purposely done obviously I'm in there fighting like she is and it's a

rough sport and sometimes you get head clashes so you have to fight through those things this is a fight game. I've liked her reaction to it because she hasn't played into the saucier side of it or anything. And it's not her fault. She didn't score the fights, Luke.

But she is aggressive leading with that head. I do want to see a third fight. Even though in weird circumstances, I want to see a third fight. I would see a third fight between them. Absolutely. I think they deserve it. And they deserved more of time on our show. But we gave it to the other bigger big name events.

And that happens. All right. Listen, we had to dunk on Jake Paul. We did. We did. Do you want to skip DMs and go right into the shit? Why don't we go through it quickly? All right, let's hit it.

We gave you the chance and we do it every Sunday night. At Morning Combat on the socials, respond to our plea for your questions that we'll answer. It's DMs from Donks. Let's do it. All right. Let's go from Vin Manitti. Vin Manitti says, what do you think is Jon Jones' money number to fight Aspinall?

It seems like he's willing with a fair payday. I don't really believe that, but I'm going to say somewhere between $20 and $30 million. They can get him for low 20s. I even think they can get him for like $19. $17.5. All right, sold. I think it's between $20 and $30, somewhere in there.

I just wish Jon wasn't showing us that he thinks that he's going to lose. I don't think he's being as savvy as he thinks. He understands where he's at in his career, and he knows it's a good chance he could lose. I do not think he's scared. I do not think he's afraid. Yeah. But I think he knows that there's a limit to what anybody can do,

and it's a risk that he would lose. He wants to be paid for that. All right, let's go to Flannels and Jits at number two. Who should Bo Nickel fight next? We tossed that around. Hermanson might be too rough of a fight, but also, hey, Bo, show us what you can do. I'd be down for, I know you like to copy love.

I'd be down for Hermanson. Not Joe Pfeiffer, right? Not Pfeiffer yet, no. Hermanson I could tolerate, even though he's ranked in that place, but I just think we need to be careful. Kevin Holland? yet no her man said i could tolerate even though he's ranked in that in that place but um i just think we need to be careful kevin holland he's been lingering between divisions i don't know i'm kevin holland's wrestling is really bad yeah that's the problem like coppy love will try and defend the takedown i feel like yeah no i don't like that one. Okay. All right. Let's go to Walking on Arias.

Why the F is Tommy Fury versus Darren Till, a boxing match January 18th, I believe, on DAZN. Yeah. Why the hell is this happening? What the fuck else are those guys going to do? Is Darren Till never fighting in the UFC again? I don't think so. I don't know. I mean, maybe he comes back.

I don't know. But not right now. Not anytime soon. I mean, I don't hate it i'll watch it i'll watch it is there money in jake versus tommy fury too i think so maybe that is again i don't think it's this is what i mean like is it as good as mike tyson money no way no you know but is there some i guess he's maybe that is the right move because he'd be back on a competitive level prove that you can win that what about ksi like is he boxing? That's still the big one in a lot of ways,

but I don't care about it. Also, I will say this. You ask how they could escalate it? Jake Paul versus Conor McGregor would be fucking huge. I hate to say that, but it's true. This is World's Worst Hero. How would a boxing match between Jake and Edgar Berlanga go? Edgar would beat his ass.

Jake would be bigger, but Berlanga would be a technically better boxer, but not so dangerous. When we say Berlanga's not good we're right Jake is much less good than that Berlanga also survived 12 rounds with Canelo which is not nothing so it's like

Berlanga would beat the fucking dog shit out of Jake Paul yes you will not see that and finally from Long Island Rob is this a competitor to a this is a world's worst hero again but he's saying Long Island Rob here I'll be cornering a friend slash training partner for his first MMA match this Friday, and I'm looking

for some advice. What are the most effective coaching strategies or cornering that stand out to you guys? Two things I'm going to say for first time people who are cornering. Number one, please make sure you have the right corner equipment in a worst case scenario. Enswell, you need to have gauze.

You need to have obviously Vaseline. You need to have an applicator. You need to have a lot of things, right? So please don't be like, it's only two minute rounds. We don't need nothing. And then they go in there and they get fucking waxed and you don't have shit. Now you're in trouble. Don't do that.

Second of all, I tend to think giving them two to three bullet points to think about in between rounds is the best. But even two, if you can simplify it, do this one thing, do the other thing. You got this. Go. You cannot overload them. Give them two big things to think about and let the rest. Would you add a little Coach Latorre-like puff up?

Like, you're doing great. Your hair looks great. Yeah, because she was like, you're doing great, Mike. She was like kind of just a junior. It depends how many cornermen you have. But if you're like a cornerman required to give advice, you need to do something a little differently. When Christian Deguero makes his Smart Cage debut,

will he allow me to be in his corner? He better. Because I'll letory the shit out of that young man. He better. I'm using him now, all right? Hey, let's get into my shit here. This is where we close off every Monday. Cause I scout with the globe for the internet.

And I found videos that are ideally trying to make Luke laugh really hard. This one's called. Have you seen this shit? Hey, you make me laugh a lot. Don't, don't say you don't. I, you, I always laugh at your joke. Oh, thank you so much. I also always laugh at you, but yeah me laugh a lot. Don't say you don't. I always laugh at your jokes. Oh, thank you so much, Luke. I also always laugh at you.

Yeah, that's true. More Tyson Paul fallout. This was the reaction to most of us watching, Luke. Fight him. Hey, what the? Okay. Luke, anything for the brown. That's how you influence what happened i don't think they enjoyed the fight they thought it was pro wrestling

like and uh i don't i don't understand this bit where i'm gonna record my reaction after i vandalized my own property yeah that's the lowest. You know what that is? You literally can't say anything interesting at all, so you just engage in howler monkey feces throwing as a way to get attention. You're a fucking loser-ass bitch. Okay. How about that? Tyson's ass moment was kind of relatable for some, Luke.

I mean, this, you know. That's so good. Okay. Wow. Let's go to the triathlon course luke let's listen to this runner closely as hard as she could and she went all in myself so can you not get my ass thank you sorry that's me getting off the train on every yes Yes, sure, this is a Joseph A. Beggs. Please, okay. I forgot about that.

Jersey of the week time, Luke. Hope she's okay. That is. I got to tell you, dude, like, I like women who are older. I don't quite understand all these people being, like, barely legal. That's never been a thing for me. I guess it's a fetish for some you know there's been a thing for me yeah i like them i like them late 20s early 30s

okay all right you know i like them i'm married i'm married too i'm just saying you know i'm looking okay uh let's put some women on a scooter and see what happens right yeah yeah there's a maximum loading capacity on that you fucking bovines right hey reggie jackson has been a uh a regular member of morning combat of late active this guy's the reggie jackson of weightlifting watch this i've seen this like i'm watching myself look at this motherfucker so you have to brace really hard push against the belt obviously that's That's a clean rep, too. Yeah, but we're watching the cat.

That's a low bar squat. And that cat is... Yeah. You take him to the shelter after this. Yes. Luke, Jon Jones may be... Okay, did you say the shelter? Yeah.

To euthanize him? Yeah, yeah. Okay, I'm not done with this. Here's my reaction. Here's my reaction. Ready? You got to euthanize that bitch. Oh, my God.

I will not accept this. Jon Jones may be the greatest MMA player of all time player. He ain't the real on the basketball court, though. Here's Jon warming up at MSG. Roll off for the Knicks game. Can he shoot for shit? Negatory, good buddy. Yeah, that's the worst shot I've ever seen.

And you wonder if... I always wonder if every MMA fighter can dunk. Like, how athletic are they? Do you think John can dunk? I mean, he's very athletic. Let's watch. This is an older video, but it is... So he can fly knee.

Let's see. Oh, okay. He's got a different athletic skill. He's very athletic, but yeah, not for that. You know who can dunk? Serial game. Yeah, he can. Speaking of hoops, Luke, check out this grab bag.

You into those? What the fuck? He's doing a sack whack. Oh, wow. Is that what it's called, the sack whack? Sack whack. We used to play that in college. Oh, that's so lame.

You would walk up next to the guy. Frat guys, right? And they just fucking bop. Yeah, frat guys always touch your dicks, right? Technically, that was a Marine Corps thing, if I can be honest. Oh, wow. Which is not much different than the frat guy. Train's coming.

Yeah, all right. Choo-choo. Oh, Luke, it's time to... You know how people are trying to chug things to get popular, you know, chug things fast? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're just going to kill themselves. Watch this guy chug sparkling water. Star Wars Lego set Death Star.

But can he chug a sparkling water and not burp? Is that like a LaCroix? It looks like a LaCroix, whatever you want to call it. Oh my gosh. What do I do? Someone needs to euthanize that bitch too uh can i tell you a story very quickly about that when i was in high school a buddy of mine and i were walking and there was like this old man who was like dude he was old like he had a hard time moving down the street and my buddy said to me looking at him pointing someone needs

to euthanize that bitch. He fucking hurt us. He hurt us. Or he hurt him anyway. And ever since then I was like nothing. He just kind of looked at us like he was having a rough day. But for it to be someone in earshot to say someone needs to euthanize that bitch. Hey Izzy Adesanya

showed up at a dance festival and took part. That's him in the middle. I bet you he tears up wedding reception dance floors. I do, too. I just want you to know that. Is this the same EDM festival that Shaq Majorey went to over the weekend? That's actually Shaq in the background doing it up.

Are you impressed? Yeah, he honestly can dance. It doesn't do much for me personally, but, like, you know, he can move. All right. Luke, luckily there's some party ingenuity going on in the world, and people are being smarter and more efficient in their drug use. What do you think of this pizza slice bong? Can I get a slice?

Yeah. I mean, it is putting two of your three favorite things together at once. All you need is some Latin women. Let's go to this four second beer idea. I don't, again, I don't think, I don't know how these things don't kill your insides. What I'm going to do is take this drill and this drill pump bit and chug this beer like an absolute boss. Oh boy. Huh.

Good. Okay. that was fucking awesome dude you know i'm all for blue-collar ingenuity. Yes. That's why women live longer than men. I don't know how that doesn't take a year off of your life every time you do that. What about this weed face mask? I know you're going to say yes, but this looks like it could kill you, okay? That's the whole point.

That's euthanasia right there. I hope everyone sees when it's time for me to go. That's how I'm seeing. If I get, like, if I got a terminal cancer fucking, like. Get the face mask. Get the mask and just finish me off in marijuana smoke, please. All right. Hey, dirty cars usually make for fun moments on this show.

Let's check in. Oh, that old Iveco model there luke massive cock yes okay that's fun i think we have the garbage can too to check out clitoris yeah it's creative right right i spelled it wrong but yeah you ever play the fender strotocaster before luke sorry Strotocaster is what I would say. Got a dick involved on this thing? Yeah, wow, that's something right there. Okay, let's go into the classroom.

Let's see how that ingenuity is going. You know what? These are people who are like, I didn't learn anything in high school, and I'm like, yeah, I can see that. I hope you broke your back back you dumb fucking bovine idiot uh pinatas bring fun to this show often okay all right we got the fucking bomb oh be careful for grandma abuela watch out yo that guy's been waiting a long time for that moment luke

wow what the fuck uh luke we know how much you love margaritas so watch this you know i feel kind of bad when i was a waiter you ever been a waiter no I was a waiter at a steakhouse right after college. What was the name of the place? It was like Adirondack or something. Adirondacks. It was a steakhouse in Richmond Highway in Williamsburg, Virginia. It was just the summer before I moved.

And I learned that you can't really carry alcoholic drinks in your tray like that, like one-handed. Yes. You got to get the two-handed. And if they got the long stems, bitch, you're asking for trouble. I couldn't do that job. Would you eat at this place, though? Jerk off the grill. I mean, you can get your jerk off the grill, right? Right off of it, yeah.

Nadir said this place is right down the block from us. Oh, he would know. Nadir would know. That's right. Okay. He's like, I want the extra white sauce on that bitch. A couple more. Let's fart, Luke.

Watch this. Behind me,. Let's fart, Luke. Watch this. Behind me, there are five very brave women. Today, we are going to see if they have what it takes to withstand one of my farts. The last girl to leave the bubble wins $500 cash. Mr. Beast. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's so bad.

Get out. I'm done. I'm done.'s so bad get out I'm done I get out I was like dude my wife could ace this game oh let's go to the drive through I have a walkway that you would like to use dude I don't get off on this shit yeah see

you're fucking with fast food workers, man. All right, let's keep the fart play going. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Okay, this is better. Oh! Oh, my God! The decent prank, right? I'm not kidding.

You should go to jail for this. That's basically a... What do you call that with the covers where you do the Dutch oven? Yeah, that's basically it. I got one more for you, Luke. Rate me on a scale of 1 to 10. A solid 8. Thank you.

What would make me a 10? If you had a huge car. Hey, yo. All right. Maybe not the best shit you've ever seen, but you still saw it, Luke. Wow. That last one was disturbing. I think we could have left that one on the cutting room floor.

The North Korean censors let that one through? Yeah, I think they gave up. They basically gave up. Thank you for watching our show, though. That's the shit of the week. By the way, morningcombat at gmail.com is the email address for this Friday. How about some fan subs, some dead wrongs, whatever you want to say. And hey, by the way, you got Figgy versus Piotr Jan this Saturday,

early in the morning. And Tabitha Ricci and the co-main against Jan Shonan. I think that's... Oh, and then also, I don't know how to pronounce her name anymore, but Wang Kong is back. Okay, I'm down with that. Morningcombat.store is your home for merch by the way i hear here it might still might be we'll find out though true classic.com slash combat with a k

please do that guys it fits great it looks great it's not flashy colors you'll fit in society only you'll actually be showing off the work you've been doing rather than hiding it because you're wearing the wrong size and the wrong material on that ass all right let's wrap this up bro what are you gonna do pick a booger if i don't yeah i'll pick a booger and flick it uh that's all we got long island luke thank you for being you and um we'll see you friday 11 a.m eastern on the youtubes thank you so much we're out of here bye