MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC 316 Recap: Dvalishvili Finishes O'Malley, Harrison vs Nunes? Jones Agrees to Aspinall Fight

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Merab Dvalishvili continued his dominate run in the Bantamweight division with his submission victory over Sean O'Malley at UFC 316 in a title rematch. He continues to get better with age and the fell...as ponder how he can be stopped. Kayla Harrison claimed the Women's Bantamweight title defeating Julianna Peña via submission. Amanda Nunes could be next for Harrison in a highly-anticipated superfight. Patchy Mix made an underwhelming UFC debut against Mario Bautista. Is this proof that there's a huge gap between the UFC and every other MMA promotion or was Mix just outmatched? Plus drama with Keyshawn Davis after he didn't make weight and was stripped of his title when his match against Edwin De Los Santos was canceled. To top it off, he was ejected from the arena where his brother Kelvin Davis had just fought against Nahir Albright, after allegedly assaulting Albright post-match. Can Keyshawn Davis ever recover from this dreadful weekend? And Dana White revealed that Jon Jones already accepted the fight against Tom Aspinall. Will the fight actually go down this calendar year? Join Luke Thomas, Brian Campbell and the entire Morning Kombat crew, live in studio on a Monday!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart Podcast. Oh, yeah. The familiar sounds of the French Canadian cackle on this Monday morning, June 9th, 2025. Welcome into morning combat. The best combat, best damn combat sports show they ever put together. That's quite the sales pitch. The one that won't go away. Luke. That's right. Like a skin tag. I'm Luke Thomas is co-host Brian Campbell from the CT drop the E and that's Washington DC's finest. And we probably got a hell of a show for you today. Luke. I mean, there's no shortage of big topics.
Starting point is 00:01:11 I think UFC 316 is in the books and it was pretty good. Pretty good. I think except for those fans falling out when Rob came by, you know, that was kind of that reminded me of is that's what happened when Jalen hurts was at Northwest Stadium Which is formerly FedEx field and FedEx field is such well, they're trying to fix it No, but it's such a fucking dump that they fans fell over and nearly crushed them That's great. And I was like that remind if if what's happening at your event reminds me of FedEx field
Starting point is 00:01:39 That's not a good thing And would you say that Keyshawn Davis is stock in the last 48 hours or to 72 even has taken a similar freefall? Dude, we'll talk about that. Worse worse than the Tesla stock. I mean, what's going on here? Yikes. I honestly can't tell if some alien invaded his body and made it his number one goal to sabotage the host's life.
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Starting point is 00:02:37 in person, Newark, New Jersey for UFC 316 in the media room. Hey, it's Long Island. Luke of the main card minute. LIL. You visited Newark. 316 in the media room hey, it's long out look of the main card minute li l um You visited Newark Penn did you not in transition? I did and I gotta say Luke Kind of a nice place to hang out. I mean eat my ass. I was just eat all of my ass I think you're so full of shit You're so he actually came in was like it's like when he comes in and I'm like another apex shit Oh, he's like car wasn't that bad. He said the same thing about New York Penn.
Starting point is 00:03:06 I said regular Penn Station being like New York Penn Station is just as bad, it's the same fucking thing. No, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not. It's absolutely not. That is one billion percent not true. It's much worse.
Starting point is 00:03:16 I think Penn Station in New York is like two and a second and a half world where New York Penn's third world. Straight up third. Yeah. Straight up third. Yeah, it's a wild's wild. It's a wild place there. Did you get the Dunkin Donuts that tastes like the stale air inside? No. Why would I buy a food product?
Starting point is 00:03:33 Yeah. Why would you eat things? Why would you do that? I'm just saying walking through it, it wasn't so bad. You know. All right. All right. I would like you guys, by the way, to help us out here. Like this episode if you're watching here on YouTube. Subscribe. Shout out to everybody watching on the Draft Kings Network. Those are our social handles. Tell a friend about the show.
Starting point is 00:03:51 I mean, can we get off of get off 176,000 subscribers? I mean, I don't know what's going on here. We're kind of stuck, right? Mm hmm. Yeah. Like Chris Benoit had a lot of great matches until 07 and then like that database was just I hope not but that's you could check out our YouTube channels as well We probably got bangers on there as you don't you have a big banger coming up on your sub Yeah, I'm talking to Kyle Kalinsky tonight Wow
Starting point is 00:04:23 Would you attempt to get Alex Jones on your substack? No. What the fuck am I going to talk to him about? Andy Hook. I don't think he has a whole lot to add to that conversation at this point. Yeah, he still owes a lot. I'd actually like to talk building seven on your substack one day. Okay, behind deep behind the paywall if you're willing.
Starting point is 00:04:40 I don't want to talk about that at all. Oh, wow. Okay. It would it would rock your worldview if you really heard the truth about them. Yeah, we're also going to plug our merch because we have a new active working merch shop. In fact, it's called Morning Combat Dot Shop. Check it out right now. Long Island Luke, by the way, working those ones and twos aggressively back there. Shout out to Average Joe Art. We've got some of his designs on there.
Starting point is 00:05:04 And Luke, you and I, I'm just happy we're back, man. I hope people are enjoying the new stuff. Don't we have a limited time announcement here? We have just a few of the signed posters left. Beavis and Butthead. That's right. And here's what's going to happen. Once they're gone, we're not making more signed posters next month. This is, I'm not going to say it's it permanently, but this is it definitely for a while. Yeah. So if you want to get them clockstick, I mean father's day is coming guys. All right, you know, get your dad outfitted in your dad's favorite podcast.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Right. Are we, do we have, we become like I loved Wilco and then they became the poster boy for dad rock and you know, I felt I felt a little sterile. Are we that the, the, the I'm cooler than I look. Look, I'm, I'm cooler. You don't look cool. Oh, okay. Neither do I. I little sterile. Are we that? Because I'm cooler than I look, Luke. I'm cooler than I look. You don't look cool. Oh, okay. Neither do I. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:05:50 No, we definitely are. Can we entertain a bet? The two gay dads. Okay, would you be willing, not shave your beard. I don't want to take away your power, but dye your beard losing a bet. And I don't mean dye it purple. I mean, dye it like full jet black Elvis 68 comeback special. It's just insane. The only color I have left is like a little bit of patching here and then just the mustache
Starting point is 00:06:12 and like a little bit in the center and that's really it. Everything else has gone gray. I'd consider it. I'd consider it. It's more patchy than Mick's performance on Saturday, right? I saw someone call him Patchy and then his nickname in the middle would be Cement Mix. Oh my gosh. He didn't look all that great. No, he didn't.
Starting point is 00:06:31 But I hope you'll bet that beard one day. Just the color, just the color. All right. Do those colors run? I mean, my hair is turning white like it's a contest. You're losing that contest or maybe you're winning. I'm not really sure.
Starting point is 00:06:46 No, I'm losing. I'm losing. Do we have anything else to say? Are you doing anything fun for Father's Day? I don't know. Nothing. Nothing standing out as of yet, but you know, sometimes I just like to be left alone.
Starting point is 00:06:59 No, I've you know grilling in the backyard with the fam. That'd be a fun Father's Day, right? I mean that could be any Sunday. What was the last time you shit blood? Yeah, I hope you like will you perish too early? I hope not But I hope it's at the end of today's show before listening out of your ass. This is the Chris Benoit podcast. Okay, that's uh, that's fantastic All right. Let's transition here. All right So that's fantastic. All right, let's transition here. All right.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Transitioning into topic number one, UFC 316 over the weekend from Newark, New Jersey. And it was all over the place with Bannon weights men's in the main event for the title. Women's in the Co. And as we mentioned that patchy mix debacle, but breakthrough for Mario Bautista. We'll get into that topic. Number one, though, is Marab. Devalish really the pound for pound ranked Bantamweight champion made his second title defense since winning it at the Sphere last fall. This time in a rematch with Sean O'Malley, a dominant rematch that would become a submission, a finish for Marab.
Starting point is 00:07:58 So you're telling me that Marab beat the guy who was injured last time easier when he was healthy the second time around. That's what we're talking about here, Luke, because a fully healthy and out of excuses O'Malley still succumbed here to Devalesheville as he continued what you might be calling an increasingly historic run across this division. He delivered a stoppage no less. And the fact that he only continues to like improve with age in the midst of this rain, it's ridiculous. Has Marab become the type of problem for the Bannamweight division elites that as of right now can't be solved? We don't have an answer for how to stop this man when he's at his very best because look
Starting point is 00:08:38 what he did to O'Malley. I don't think any problem is unsolvable, but this one is uniquely difficult. A lot of times we see you get basically, this is an oversimplification, but you'll often see two kinds of fighters. You'll see one that's very, very, when I say two kinds, I mean the kinds that get titles or fight in title fights. So not just like white fighters and black fighters. That's right. Or male and female. Or tall and short. Or, you you know smart and stupid It can go anyway Jan six leapers and Jen six supporters Okay, here's what I want to say in terms of the one the group we're talking about you tend to get Something like in like an Izzy who is very very skilled and then works on all of the other
Starting point is 00:09:21 Physical elements to make sure that there's oxygen to power a skillful game And then on the other side you would get guys who are like, you know, workhorses, grinders, who aren't necessarily sophisticated finishers, but they just have this kind of volume presence. And, but it's, it's, it's noted, it's limited by the lack of refinement, whereas on the other side, the refinement can sometimes be limited by the gas tank. But what, what would happen if you actually got both of them together? And I think Marab is approximating something like that.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Even though he almost tragically injures himself every other month in training. That's the only thing that's going to get him. And came in with a back injury against Umar, probably had broken toes this time. But now Luke, he can submit you and his boxing is like not just a little bit better. He was piecing up O'Malley. Was he not? Like this is crazy. He certainly was in spots.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Let's talk about what we saw in this fight. I love that this was a rematch because it gave us a lot of time and especially the 25 minute first fight to really examine what went right and wrong for both guys. And one of the things that you knew O'Malley was going to have to solve is when he gets taken down but he's up against the fence, he tries to build height. We talked about building height before. Hip height, head height, these are very important concepts to getting back to your feet and then ultimately separating. But one of the things that Marab does and he did in the first fight in all his fights is he'll take you down and once you try to build height by going to your base, he'll lock up that front headlock.
Starting point is 00:10:45 Now I noticed that he actually did it in the first round right at the end of the first round and couldn't get it, but now rather than being a place where he locks up the front headlock and then turns you back to the mat basically just to break you back down and then go back to the ground and pound, just a kind of way to put the fight back on grounded terms, now he's got fight ending scenarios. So that's one element. Here's the other element. And there's many other things that I'm sure he added, but the other element BC, I was talking
Starting point is 00:11:08 about this with Long Island Luke, a lot of times in this fight and in the first, O'Malley would go into a stance, immediately switch. And then when he switched, he would go from that side's power shot to the body. So two to the body. Wouldn't you say in general O'Malley fought well in the beginning? He did, but let me get this point out in terms about Murab. I just want to make it about him and like make I want to give people specifics to look at. In the first fight, Murab's in an orthodox stance. He would use that check hook to check O'Malley whenever he would go from either side. He still did that this time when O'Malley would go to the body on the right handed stance.
Starting point is 00:11:42 Yeah. But when O'Malley did it on the left handed stance, what did you see? Those blitzes he would go to the body on the right-handed stance. But when O'Malley did it on the left-handed stance, what did you see? Those blitzes he would go. And there were two, three, sometimes four punch combinations where he's hitting O'Malley even as O'Malley is retreating. It was like O'Malley had no idea those shots were coming each and every time they landed. And because he's reaching so far, he's so defenseless.
Starting point is 00:12:02 He's not in a position to react or roll or do whatever he needs to do. And I'm like, dude, Marab not only got better from the rematch and picked up some extra things, but he's now deadly in places that you would have never imagined it before. What else can you possibly ask from this guy? And even the times that he's controlling O'Malley on the clinch against the fence and it's almost what we would call a rest, a beginning of like almost a rest hold, he's controlling O'Malley on the on the clinch against the fence and it's almost what we would call a rest beginning of like almost a rest hold he's firing in knees to the back of the thigh like he is really trying to fill
Starting point is 00:12:31 every second with something and now that he can get you out of there if you make a mistake and you're not savvy on the ground and this elevation of that boxing for as long as this he's at his very peak right the the experience the mindset the physicality, the still young stamina, it's all there in his mid-30s. For as long as this window is open, I mean, we're gonna get into the Sanhagen fight and he brings a whole Swiss Army knife of challenges
Starting point is 00:12:55 that I think it's gonna be an interesting matchup. But like, let's just say Murab had lost this fight. Let's say O'Malley landed the better strikes over five rounds and got the decision. We would have been like, okay, Murab had a good run for a guy that you probably wouldn't have believed to go on that run. No, he just submitted that guy in the rematch and beat him easier than the time when he fought him when he was hurt. So now you're like, he has 13 fight win streak within the UFC. That's three away from Anderson Silva. I know Mahatchev may get there first. John Jones also
Starting point is 00:13:23 has 13 right now. Who knows if he'll ever fight again? Dana doesn't sure to know. But 13 in a row, dude. And like he might be tell me, I know, you know, you're not usually up on the palm for palm thing, but it feels like everybody either has Islam or Ilya. Right. Number one. Or does some people still put Jones in there?
Starting point is 00:13:39 I don't think so. Islam. I don't think anymore. Yeah, I'll look it up. Is Marab at worst number three right now? Is he in the conversation on this streak of 12 straight wins, two title defenses, the names in succession, Aldo, Jan, O'Malley, O'Malley again, like it's so hoodo, it's been pretty incredible.
Starting point is 00:14:01 Is he in the discussion for pound for pound best in this game right now? He has a case for number two. Now there's still according to the men's pound for pound best in this game right now? He has a case for number two. Now they still according to the men's pound for pound rankings at UFC.com slash rankings, which it will update at some point today or tomorrow. I can update that. I'm not just unemployed. Yeah, just unemployed people no longer in the industry. Jones is still sitting at two for what it's
Starting point is 00:14:18 worth. I think it's silly but whatever. So Toporia and Marab could be a two or three or three and two depending on how you want to rank them. That's the first thing I'd say. Number one, he absolutely, I don't know, I wouldn't put him pound for pound number one, but I think number two and certainly at worst three. Well, like we would, a couple fights ago, we probably wouldn't have believed this because we thought he was getting the pressure and the wrestling together were enough.
Starting point is 00:14:41 But with the complete game, he's now dealing with people that have no flaws in their games in terms of the contemporaries that you're competing with at the top of that pound-for-pound list. Has he raised those other parts of his game like when Habib did that and became the pound-for-pound king? Like is he closing out any any parts of him that are negative, any vulnerable spots, has he removed all this? Well, I mean, this is the funny part about it. I thought before the Umar fight, obviously incorrectly at the time and there's no denying it, I thought that was a time when the limits of his refinement were going to show up. But in fact, something kind of funny happened. His takedown defenses we talked about
Starting point is 00:15:15 in that fight was extraordinary. And then the fact that Umar simply couldn't keep pace, he overwhelmed him. That was kind of like a new leveling up. And here against Sean O'Malley, yes, he beat him the first time, but he still leveled up by taking, by asking more of himself along the way. This is an extraordinary development to be happening for a 34 year old champion at 135 pounds to the point BC is, I know there's a conversation about like who's the best ever at 135 and you know, Dominic Cruz still has overall more title defenses, but I'm going to say this. I've never seen a more overwhelming force at 35 than Marabda Walsh. Really? He's the most overwhelming force I've ever seen in this weight class. You can decide that Cruz's championship run is still more decorated. Fine.
Starting point is 00:16:02 But no one is as much of a tidal wave over their contemporaries as this guy is. He just either overwhelms you or goes through you or like wears you out. Like it's just, it's overwhelming yet he's not, I mean, I don't know what his ceiling is marketing wise. He's already 34. Maybe he just looks like another boring foreigner that wrestles to some people, but that's not the case. His personality is also wacky and like lovable, but there's also like this everyman side of him like afterwards.
Starting point is 00:16:30 I mean we got a great video of him exiting the arena that shows the love people have for him and the joy that he brings. He's crazy, he's liable to fight a fan at any point, but he also puts out a good message. Let's look at this guy. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
Starting point is 00:16:50 This is good life. Left turn. I'm not going to let you know what this is. It was so easy, guys. Thank God. Hard work paid off. I'm great, healthy, happy. Not hungry anymore. Let's go. Like, obviously, happy, not hungry anymore.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Let's go. Like, obviously when he's doing the inspiration, anyone can do anything. Like, people are like, well, no one will ever have the stamina you have or be as crazy as you or maybe be able to put all these skills together. But like, would you say that he's a refreshing superhero in the game today? Superhero is a strong word, but he has certainly ingratiated himself with the fan base, not just because he keeps winning, although that tends to solve most problems, but because like, like when they need him to step up, he does.
Starting point is 00:17:35 When they need someone to be extra, he is when they when there's something missing and they feel like he can be called upon to act in some kind of way to fill a need, he gives you every possible thing that he can. And I think to the point you raised, there are probably always going to be things that hold him back a little bit in terms of being a popular attraction. But my view on that is we see not everybody's gonna be a popular attraction. Some will be more popular than others, and of course this is going to blow up his profile. But I said it in answer to the first question, and I'm gonna say it again here. I just don't know if you're a fan. What else you could possibly ask that he hasn't tried to deliver. Oh, he wasn't doing giving us enough finishes. Well, dude. I mean, it was said afterwards, by the way, that it was easy to deal with O'Malley's speed because of all the time he had put in with Aljo, who he said is faster. Here's Marab.
Starting point is 00:18:31 That proves again that not always best fighter wins, you know. O'Malley got really lucky against Aljo. And but hey, but I'm grateful for my friend, Aljo, my Sterling. And I tell him today I have to split my bonus and give him half. Let's go, brother. That will be my wedding gift, you know? But I will never pay your gift. You are the man. Thank you, bro.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Luke, that is one side of it. And we'll get to the idea of him and Corey in a second. But to close off on O'Malley here, are you willing to side with the extreme haters who are like see we've been telling you all along They're not saying O'Malley sucks. They're just saying the idea that he was ever really a pound-for-pound rated breakthrough star champion Was a romanticized claim that was never backed up and then they could say, you know He did the Cheeto rematch because there was a storyline there.
Starting point is 00:19:26 But did he beat the guy? I mean, it's hard to say that when he went in there and fought Yan and came away with the win, right? I mean, that's a breakthrough win that showed what he's all about. He also forced Aljo into overextending. But part of that critical take is, well, Aljo was injured and took the fight because the UFC forced him to. Is there enough proof now to say maybe O'Malley was never all that, or is it just you're not going to beat that guy twice? You know, you had two chances, you're still not going to beat that guy. So this is an interesting one, and I've seen a bunch of YouTubers in MMA
Starting point is 00:19:57 kind of go after O'Malley and say that they got fed a bunch of propaganda about him. And it's like, I don't understand what that complaint is. I mean, I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's like, do you think Sean O'Malley is the first fighter the UFC has given favoritism to or that he will be the last like this is, or by the way, are there fighters in top rank or PBC or any prom or PFL, whoever there are favorites within any promotion. There are favorites to any promoter. Like the fact that one guy got it and it didn't ultimately work. Guys, I have news for you.
Starting point is 00:20:32 They gave Conor McGregor very favorable matchups at very favorable times on purpose to boost him. Now he made the most of it in the end. And so these are big differences, but like they've had a bunch of failures on that end too, like pushing sage North cut and pushing some other ones along the way, page fans and whoever, there's just a bunch that bottomed out. Like it doesn't always work. It's an inexact science. So then if you say, well, I didn't like the propaganda. I didn't like the way that this was pushed. That's fine. Like you don't have to, I'm not,
Starting point is 00:20:59 I'm not arguing that that's something you have to accept. Yeah. It's a weird charge to be like, well, they, they gave this guy favoritism. Every fucking promoter does every potential star will get the Dana White privilege. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. What I can say is I do know for a fact that when he was on the contender series, that the people who have access to the numbers told me that what he was doing was, you know, two or three X what anyone else in that series had done. And so the UFC looked at that and was like, okay, there's something here. But
Starting point is 00:21:29 whether it was the suspension with USADA and the time off or the way the first Tuto Verra fight ended, somewhere along the lines, the fans kind of let go of that early enthusiasm that they might have had. Don't a lot of people think Jan won? Isn't that a debated score? I thought Jan won that fight too. So but I mean that's the judges That's not UFC. They can't do anything about that. But it plays into people's thinking on that. But I want to be clear like people like oh he got favorable treatment They pushed him and they didn't push anybody else and they didn't push Marab
Starting point is 00:21:56 That's fight promotion. There's a difference between that and fraud check, right? I mean, this is not a fraud check situation. He beat Jan knocked out Sterling. He became a champion You could say maybe you know, maybe he's not the best guy at bantamweight He's not the best guy at bantamweight, but he's a very good fighter He had no stuff I feel for him because this was a no stone unturned moment I mean, you know the everything from internet use to dying the hair to okay. Maybe he should have kept Jay in the peen Right. I mean after all we I mean I could have told him that this kind of proves that but you know We haven't talked about this.
Starting point is 00:22:25 Like I thought O'Malley looked a little bit better in spots. That's what I'm saying. I feel bad for him because he went back in, got fully healthy, fully committed to himself. You can really hear the way he talks about his wife, that there was a, it's seemingly like he's in a much better home spot with, with, with being a family man. And it still wasn't enough because Murab was great and it's a bad style matchup for him ultimately. But I don't think it's that he's was never good enough because Murab was great, and it's a bad style matchup for him, ultimately.
Starting point is 00:22:45 But I don't think it's that he was never good enough or he's regressed, whatever. We should have the debate in a second about 145 or 135, but other people were taking a chance to dunk on him, including Piotr Jan. Let's check out that No Mercy tweet. This is what happens when you're handed things you didn't earn back in line, buddy, at Sugar Sean, we wouldn't hate that rematch. Luke, I want from you,
Starting point is 00:23:09 whether Sean O'Malley should move up to featherweight, or whether, or if not, what is the correct bounce back opponent so that in your mind you're thinking one to two really good wins from getting another title shot, right? You still have a big name here, but who should he have to earn it against if he doesn't move up? Well, this is a tough thing to answer.
Starting point is 00:23:29 I don't know how soon they're gonna get Marab back out there. I mean, listen, you can do the Rich Franklin thing, which means after it real, if you realize that there's a guy at 85 that's gonna prevent you from ever holding the title, you just kind of bounce around between 85 and 205. Max Holloway did the same thing. Right, but Max Holloway had very uneven results from it until he really committed to...
Starting point is 00:23:50 What? Alright, sorry. Luke, are you in an email exchange? No, no, no. That's my wife. Sorry. She's harassed. You can have her call in.
Starting point is 00:24:01 Tukey got sick again today, so it's an issue. Yeah, it's an issue. Alright. Young Tukey's got it. I apologize. I sick again today. So it's an issue. Yeah, it's an issue. All right. Young Tukes. I apologize. I apologize to you. I apologize to the viewers. But getting back on a BC,
Starting point is 00:24:09 it's hard to say because the Max Holloway thing was a little bit uneven. So he went to 55 the first time against Poirier. But remember he survived that fight, but even the people around him were like, he didn't really go to 55 He just kind of cut less weight, right? And then when he went against Gagey, he really went to 55 then he cut back down
Starting point is 00:24:30 Which I was not sure was the right idea and obviously against to Poria now He's just gonna go back 55 permanently in other words There's a bit of a body change you have to make that doesn't make that going back and forth So easy what I can say though is Listen to some of these ideas. Sean O'Malley versus Pitbull, Sean O'Malley versus Yair Rodriguez, Sean O'Malley, Diego Lopez, Sean O'Malley, Brian Ortega. Like any other way you're talking about fresh new matchup, fresh new matchup,
Starting point is 00:24:56 because they all sound good. So I think Figge is in real trouble. He got his knee shredded. That's true. I'm imagining that that surgery is going to hold him back at least the rest of the year. I was thinking like Song Yedong. Song Yedong at 35 is something he could do. That's another one. By the way, I guess Yon's got the McGee fight, but a Yon rematch still holds some intrigue. John's got options. He's got options, but the problem with going back and forth is I just don't know if his body's going to adjust. I kind of wonder, maybe go to 45 for a little while while 35.
Starting point is 00:25:26 I'm not even joking when I say this. He might just have to wait until Marab gets old. Marab's 34. Sean, I think is what, 30? 29, 30? He was 29 during the first fight, so I think he's 30 now. You wait a couple years, Marab's going to be what, 36, 37? You're going to have to rematch Yon, you're gonna have to...
Starting point is 00:25:47 No, I don't mean like hold out and not fight. I'm saying you have to realize no one is gonna upset the Marab. Right, you're saying linger and stay in contention. Yeah, and well just understanding no one's gonna really upset the Marab apple cart until old age gets them. And then there's gonna be a turnover. You kind of just have to bide your time until then. Well you were very matter-of-fact with that and granted Murab's giving you a lot of reason to a 13 fight on you know winning streak right now. You don't think so? Well this is what I want to ask now because it's turning the page now to Murab versus Corey Sanhagen and I guess the way I wanted to pitch it was in some ways is Corey Sanhagen like the toughest style matchup within the elites
Starting point is 00:26:23 in this division for Marab. So this is to me the million dollar question. On the feet, obviously he's a lot better than Marab. Okay, no question in my mind. Long, leaps in, all kinds of awkwardness. Yeah, and he can obviously use knees in a way that he can combine disparate striking elements. No question. Also, really no question in my mind if Marab wants to take down he can get it. The issue for me in both the first fight and in particular the second fight is that Sean did not have a great answer for it. When Sean is pressed up against the fence,
Starting point is 00:26:58 you could see this time he was able to build height relatively quickly. And that made a big difference. Not to to winning and losing but into winning those moments But when he got taken down into open space and now he's flat on his back and he's got full guard That was a problem in the first fight and that was a problem in the second fight The question you have to ask yourself is does Corey have a solution to that problem? Against the fence, let's say he's as good or roughly as good as O'Malley, at distance, let's say he's as good or better than O'Malley, but if he gets taken down in the middle, which Marab can very easily do, what is he going to do there? And if he doesn't have an
Starting point is 00:27:35 answer there, he's going to lose there. Right, and you're not wrong, I'm saying he's a better clinch fighter than O'Malley. He has more tools and a little bit longer, more dangerous. Is Marab really going to hang out with him in the same I'm trying to show you like the areas where and then also wouldn't you say his submission threats on the ground? But neutralize some of Marabas attack when he's in top position So I mean I've said this before and I think it's something to explore although There's context in which it has to be appropriately applied But I believe that the leg locking game of Corey Sandhagen could be quite valuable. Now the problem is that's going to be very difficult to get into a good place to do them
Starting point is 00:28:08 when Murab goes chest to chest, two knees on the ground. Although in this fight, he kind of opened up a little bit more. He had good tight control, but at the same time, he was willing to create some space to do that. But he knows there's no pushback from O'Malley for a submission threat there. O'Malley went for a couple of omoplates in the first fight, but they got separated because he held Murab's glove on the arm that was trapped. He didn't even bother going for them this time. You know, there's a question about strategy there.
Starting point is 00:28:32 I'm just saying if you go, dude, submitting someone who's very good off of your back in either high level Jiu Jitsu or high level MMA without hurting them first is very, very difficult to do. It's very difficult to do. To me, you have to kind of reset the submission sequence. You have to reset the submission terms. And going backside 50-50, which he did against Figaro, it didn't work, but then coming up and then taking top position, if you're able to enter into the position to start that exchange, I think it could be hugely valuable.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Can he do that against a Marab I think it could be hugely valuable. Can he do that against a Marab who probably will be expecting it? I love this matchup. I love it too. I love that this is next because you know if Marab does Marab thinks to this guy as well, then we're going to continue to fit him for that crown. I mean we're getting closer to dealing with the idea of where he's on his way to be, which is the greatest band and weight if not already there.
Starting point is 00:29:24 Not that I feel like we need to debate that or he needs to be that right now. Also shout out to TJ Dillashaw on this argument. Shout out to him. But he's one of those guys, like it's kind of funny, right? Had all the skills in the world, but then was taking EPO.
Starting point is 00:29:38 You know what I mean? This is what I was talking about, the grinders versus the skillful ones. He was trying to be the best of both of them. Was Connor right that TJ was really a snake in the grass in the end? I mean, I don't think Connor should be the one. Let's get video here of Marab and Corey cheesing it up backstage, but I'm fired up for this. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Is the most deserving guy. We never put each other. Yeah, you respect. I respect you. Let's just get through this. Hey, I'm gonna just take a little vacation.. You respect me. I respect you. Yeah. Let's just get to it. Hey, I'm going to just take a little vacation. OK. Me too. I'm going to go on a run though. Right now.
Starting point is 00:30:11 Right now. I'm running right now. I mean, Rob's funny too. This is like, this is. There's not going to be much heat in that one. So I think that's going to be a co-main. But as a fight, that is as interesting as any title defense he's had. Long Island Luke, I've been waiting to tee you up on this, given your expertise.
Starting point is 00:30:28 How long do you think it took O'Malley to Jay the Pean after the fight ended? My expertise? I'm gonna say in the hotel room after, right? Like right after he left the arena. Wow, that's quick. Are you asking him how quickly did Sean look I didn't put this Sean Jack I didn't add this narrative to the news like I didn't make this a topic, but you know Sean I mean you're making it one now Things you know things all right. How soon did you Jay the peen after getting home? This is too far though That's took me longer to get home. You know I had to make a trek you know
Starting point is 00:31:00 Sean was probably quicker. How much meth did you smoke on the way back on the Long Island Railroad? I actually took an uber home, but all right how much meth did you smoke on the way back on the Long Island Railroad? I actually took an Uber home, but uh... Alright, how much meth did you smoke in the Uber? How much was that Uber ride? Like a hundred dollars? It was an expensive Uber. It was over a hundred dollars. What the fri- Dude, get on the freaking train! Why would you not take the LIRR?
Starting point is 00:31:17 Because the trains, there was a two-something train or a four AM train, so I would have just been stranded in the Uber. Go drink, you pussy! You don't even have any kids! Go meet Virginia or something, I mean... I would have had to drive home from drink you pussy. You don't even have any kids. Go meet Virginia or something. I mean I would have had to drive home from the train station. You know there's a bunch of factors guys. Alright, alright. Drops a jupiter on that ass. Alright, by the way speaking of the time if you can put the camera back on me.
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Starting point is 00:32:06 Please drink responsibly. Reviews are in. AB, Aaron Bronstetter as our third man in the Cuervo UFC 316 pregame preview. Not bad, right? Yeah, we love Abron here. He did a great job this week as well down on the ground there. Huge fan of that gentleman right there, all right?
Starting point is 00:32:22 Everyone brings a different flavor when they join us. You know what I mean? Add something to the dynamic the dynamic we got what flavor should we bring in? Or what the next one? No, that's a great. What do you think Long Island Luke I Don't know man. He's a big Jedi. You know I'm a big everyone guy. I love Just combined. It's Yeah, all of them Look his time. Listen, we've never had a woman in the studio. There's a reason Why because you're a brave pervert because of your you know, cuz you're playing pocket your ass bleeding
Starting point is 00:32:56 All right, you know Senko for the next one. Oh Senko would be she'd be down. She the problem is she ends. You know what she does the weigh-in show on Friday It's a it's a possibility. It's a possibility. I doubt we'll see her, but I'd be welcome. I'd be very welcome. Yes indeed. All right, topic number two time staying on UFC 316, but staying in the Bantamweight division. This time chicks, and what a breakthrough for this inspirational woman Kayla Harrison climbing the mountain in the UFC to add the title to her glowing collection of two gold medals, two PFL world championships, a couple million dollar checks.
Starting point is 00:33:32 This time was full domination like the odds told you against two-time champion Juliana Pena, setting up the idea of Amanda Nunes coming out of retirement and shout out to UFC and Joe Rogan in particular for making sure she came in the cage. We got a face off. We actually have something to talk about, Bonnie Raitt, about the women. So Luke, considering everything that Kayla has accomplished, persevered through her incredible backstory, what sounded like an impossible cut Thursday night in terms of the weight to get to 135, this is a feel-good story. We need more of these. Is this, though, enough positive buzz Kayla Harrison's breakthrough win, Amanda Nunes, the legend coming out of retirement to give a shot,
Starting point is 00:34:16 a real shot in the arm to women's MMA in general, now that we have like a legit badass historic super fight to get fired up for I'm gonna say cautiously optimistic Yes. Yes, I do. I think people you know it wasn't like there was an epic fight to really sell some kind of a Next fight or as good and as dominant as Kayla looked BC. It almost felt and as dominant as Kayla looked BC, it almost felt too easy to me. So the problem was you didn't get this like incredible star making performance.
Starting point is 00:34:51 It wasn't like McGregor against Ford. Now he was supposed to fight Aldo previously, but then he got injured. So he ended up fighting Chad Mendes. Where he had to persevere. But the Chad Mendes fight still launched him into another level, even beyond that into stardom. You didn't get quite something like that.
Starting point is 00:35:04 Kayla was simply too good. However, however. her real fight was Thursday night and I respect that. Which I completely believe. I had people challenging me. They're like the cuts normal. I'm like dude there's nothing normal about two a days just to lose weight. That's not skills, just to lose weight two a days. But okay, I think this is a tremendous shot in the arm. It's not enough to fix broader problems which we've talked about. But okay, I think this is a tremendous shot in the arm. It's not enough to fix broader problems, which we've talked about. But what I've said this before, and you say broader because we're talking about women. I know you do because this is your dad joke that you go back to because you are a fucking old piece of shit. My dad's more focused on ditch of a book. I think what I was going to say BC to me There were people who said they got big fight feels watching the face-off
Starting point is 00:35:48 And I'm trying to think when was the last time someone told you not that they thought it was a good fight Now that they liked it after they thought it was important But on the women's side or you saw some kind of event and you got quote big fight feels from it I can't really I'm so sure it's been relatively recent, but I can't remember. My knee jerk would have been Cyborg versus Nunes, but the reality is that wasn't that big in terms of like the crossover. Even Dana himself, I thought gave a good answer to that
Starting point is 00:36:15 when they asked him like, could Kayla Amanda be, you know, is it bigger than that? And he was like, yeah, our sport is so much more developed and evolved since then. And I think he's right, right? Like, it's, so that one didn't feel as big as it actually represented, which was the same type of thing,
Starting point is 00:36:30 a true passing of the torch cross, you know, crossroads moment right there, even though that was probably a better fight on paper. But still, Luke, this is, I mean, she's got, she's kind of the female Brock Lesnar. I mean, it's kind of this one-of-one incredible freak athlete with this great story and incredible work. I think I had a pre-built fan base It's very different true and I'm not it's not on the level of attention of that fight
Starting point is 00:36:53 But is Kayla Harrison what women's MMA needs right now her story her presence her yes Yes, yes. Yes. Is this the perfect fight to be So that was just sort of waiting for her to get to this point. Yes, it is like if you had to ask a question like before even winning a UFC title, who's the most decorated combat athlete to ever win a UFC title? Kayla Harrison has a claim to that her answer. She has a claim. She has two gold medals.
Starting point is 00:37:18 I know she has a claim to that. So to me, it's like you can sell that if they really want to what I will say is this and I hope the UFC, they're not gonna care what I have to say, but I hope enough people say this. Let's put it that way. I hope that they put a little bit extra into this one. Yeah. I hope that they treat it as big as we think it might be. So does that mean main event of a pay-per-view? Because that was a topic that Kayla dealt with in the post by Press coverage.
Starting point is 00:37:39 I think you absolutely could do main event of a pay-per-view. But more than that, doing special level of promotion for it. I think this one kind of...listen, I don't know if this one is like the best case, but I think it's the best case we're gonna get for a women's fight that can produce an extra media effort. Are you saying that similar to what, and this is where we credit Jake Paul and MVP and Nikesa as promoters, they're making this Friday night, July 12th, New York Madison Square Garden, Netflix, Taylor Serrano 3, full card with women, like, you know, big-time names that they've acquired.
Starting point is 00:38:12 They're making it this, you know, no matter what it does ratings-wise, like, this, they have every opportunity to, like, be on a crazy spot to do crazy numbers and deliver a type of historic fight that like creates new fans and just matters. Could you're saying you want the UFC to do something similar to that tip with that level of treatment and care and saying this really is a potential passing of the torch? I think so and I think also, you know, it doesn't have to headline a pay-per-view,
Starting point is 00:38:38 but if it's gonna be co-made, it has to be co-made to something like John versus Tom. IFW. Yeah, something really, really, really big. Then it could do that. But I just feel like you don't get some, this is, we're just not in the era of Ronda Rousey. We're just not in the era of even Namisha Tate's
Starting point is 00:38:55 and the Katz and Ghanas who were playing similar kinds of roles at the time. We're a little bit past that. But I just feel like this is a breath of fresh air at a time when we don't know when the next one of these is going to come around. Might as well strike while the iron is hot, put a little extra effort into it. They certainly know how to do that. They've certainly proven that they know how to do that. I would like to see that.
Starting point is 00:39:13 This is a baby face story. Let's show the video if we can of Kayla Harrison exiting the arena similar to the Marab video. It just is a phenomenal moment in a lot of ways. Amazing. I can't believe it's already. I mean, look at her face. Hello. Hello. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:39:33 Thank you for everything. Thank you. God bless you. That's it. And then Luke, if we, I don't know if you're going to get fired up for this, but she even put the belt, you know, Dana wasn't in the cage famously to put it around and gone to when he won the championship. But she put it on DJ T right there. And it's all that big moment for Kayla right there. And then if we can show the face off pick that we did see in the cage, we can't show any footage. But dude, I got the feels I got fired. This is what I'm talking about, man. Like that
Starting point is 00:39:59 was the last time you saw a woman's face off and you were like, damn, this one, I can't wait to see this one. I mean, like, you You know I've been excited for rematches like Rose. Yoana is a good example or maybe even yo on a way Lee we're expecting But that's probably the closest level you really have to go back to cyborg versus newness to feel anything like this and then You gotta go wait. I mean you got almost Dude, you got the you have arguably the greatest combat athlete who became a UFC champion against the greatest women's fighter of all time. And their ex teammates with the backstory. I don't think they're going to play it like into a heated rivalry, but you could tell that story. And I'm not trying to say it's going to be what Rousey versus Tate 2 was with them coaching the ultimate fighter and people like really into it.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Oh, God, I hadn't even thought about that. But I'm not asking for like the Rousey revolution already. I'm just asking for something in the women's game to be presented big, to be treated with respect, and to deliver, to honor the best of what we have here right now, and this is the best of it. The only problem with this is, I wanna see Kayla have to go five rounds.
Starting point is 00:40:58 And I thought maybe Peña, because she's so stubborn, has a great chin, has great cardio, was gonna provide that. I don't really know if she can do this at this weight at five rounds I don't know how much longer she can do this at this weight Well, it seems the weight cut was way harder than the actual fight and that's not because pain you looked awful It's just that Kayla's a game Dominated her
Starting point is 00:41:17 Do you think at this weight she could go 25 minutes in a war with somebody not many times? She could maybe do it once or twice. So then, so then the key question that a lot of people are offering and they offer, they asked it to Dana too. Does this have to be a title fight at 135? Should this be a 145 super fight? 155? Should you do BC women's heavyweight? I think you'd get a better, I truly believe you'd get a better fight at 45.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Long Island Luke, do you get a better fight at 35 or 45? Kayla Amanda Nunes. Probably at 45, but also you give Kayla the chance to become double champ. I know that's kind of a weird division, but like add that to the gold medal. Oh, so you bring back the featherweight belt one more time? I think it makes a lot of sense. Or do you open up women's heavyweight? I'll say this.
Starting point is 00:42:02 From 45 to 65. I'll say this. If you're the UFC and you ask Kayla How many more times after this fight are you gonna compete and she says either not at all or maybe like one more time? Put it at 45 who gives a fuck put it at 45. Here's Kayla talking about the Amanda fight Let's get fired up writing you invite Amanda into the octagon and everything Was that something that you were hoping and like wanting to happen to her actually come in there? No, I mean it wasn wasn't a planned thing. I just...
Starting point is 00:42:28 I mean, in my head, this is what I want. And I saw her on the Jumbotron, and I was like, let's make some... What do the kids call it? Aura magic or aura farm? I don't know what the hell they call it. Let's make some promotional magic right here. So I said, come on, let's go, girl. Yeah, I think it worked out great. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:42:47 When I spoke to Ali a couple days ago, he said the perfect plan would be you guys first fight at 45 and then at 35. Any sense that that could happen, or do you think it'll be for that belt in front of you? I have no idea, but I'm open to, I just want to fight. I just want to fight. I definitely want to fight Amanda. She's the greatest of all time. I want to be the greatest of all
Starting point is 00:43:07 time. I've wanted that for a long time now. It's not personal. There's no bad blood. I don't care what weight we fight at, you know? Like I walk around at 100... I'm not even gonna tell you guys what I walk around at. Never mind. I guess just lastly for me, if that when that fight does happen we we don't know when it'll be, but there's so much history. It's been talked about forever. She's been gone for a while at a different gym. You've been improving. Like, what do you think this fight looks like? Do you think you go do her a similar way to Juliana?
Starting point is 00:43:36 Will it be a way harder fight? Listen, I'm going to give Amanda as much time as she needs to prepare. I want her to be the best her. I'm going to be the best her. I'm gonna be the best me. We're gonna go in there and make some absolute magic in the women's division. We're gonna break some records and make some history and we're both gonna make a lot of money doing it.
Starting point is 00:43:57 And we're gonna bring women's MMA to a whole new level. How you might react when you saw her, did you surprise yourself at all? Or no. I kept going there. Good stuff from Kayla, but Luke, in terms of the actual matchup, is it as simple as striker versus wrestler contrasting styles, or will it be more of just a war of blood, sweat and tears and guts for the 37 year old newness making her return right into a big, I don't know how it could be anything other than strike or grappler.
Starting point is 00:44:26 You think Kayla's going to slug it out with her? No, but what if Amanda is able to keep on her feet for a while? Well, then Kayla's in deep trouble. So it really is one person's strengths and get one person's strength. I mean, you saw submission in this case. We're saying that on Wednesday that the best part of Kayla's game is ground and pounded. Sometimes she's a little bit submission diverse. This time it was kind of like right there for her and she went for it
Starting point is 00:44:46 So let's just say now submission or ground and pound is her best Chance of winning, but when we say best chance of winning, I'm not gonna say it's the only one But it's pretty close to the only one. I just you know if she can't get that fight to the floor. It's curtains Dude, do you think that? It's possible like to go back to the newness comment for a second? Let's show the the weight difference from from Friday at 9 a.m. On this scale I had people telling me I was overreacting. I don't think I was. No you weren't making 135 and then what eight hours later at the ceremonial way and you see what
Starting point is 00:45:17 Coming back to life looks like. I mean she even said it post fight like that. She wanted to quit on Thursday night cutting weight Here's what I'm going to ask you. I think she's a special figure that that might deserve doing a solid for the solid. In this case would be bringing back that 45 title, letting her fight for it. And let's say she wins it, whether or not you need a rematch. And from, for the women's MMA sake, I hope they fight three times, but then she never fights 35 again. She already did it. She already proved it.
Starting point is 00:45:42 She won three fights. She beat the champion, dominated her, tapped her out. If she beats, does she have to beat Nunes to get that type of treatment in your eyes? Does she have to beat Nunes in their first fight? Then UFC go, okay, we're going to keep the 45 belt. You're the 45 belt champion moving forward. That's a big question. I'm not really sure how they would adjudicate that. I mean, I think if Kayla wins, I mean, they might do a back-to-back fight with between the two of them. Don't they have a history of making divisions
Starting point is 00:46:07 for people, like Cyborg 45? Yes. I mean... Well, they tried to make Cyborg go down to 40, and that was, you know, a bit of a failed endeavor, but they're not a lasting one at a bare minimum. It's hard to say. It's hard to say what they're gonna do. My feeling is they probably won't do any of this.
Starting point is 00:46:21 My feeling is they're probably just gonna make her go to 35 and then just say, you know, screw it, go to 35. Either way, we got something to believe in. But we got something great to believe in, and Kayla is a real threat to anybody at 35, I think you would agree, and Amanda Nunes, her game speaks for itself. Early offshore odds, Kayla about a two to one favorite,
Starting point is 00:46:37 Amanda is- Really? Yeah, Amanda's like plus 175. Those, that line's gonna move, right? What are you feeling? So I just googled it to try and see they have plus 145 noon as minus 170 Kayla. Interesting. That's a little better. That's and I still think I honestly the odds could flip by the time Amanda has always been criminally underrated like people didn't including us Didn't really catch on until she was like clearly the dominant figure because she had a couple of, you know, fits and
Starting point is 00:47:09 starts early in her career. Well, I think once she did that to Tate, we became believers quick, to be fair, because there were still questions. The fight before Tate was UFC 196, the first Valentina fight, and because Valentina rallied in the third and was on top of her and like almost full mount, and it was like, oh, maybe Nunes isn't that the Tate was such an eye-opener just the brutality in which she won that and then what was Rousey the Exact next one. I feel like we were counting her out for Rousey too though. Like everyone No, I know. Oh, so the story is the UFC and TKO execs or WME execs at the time
Starting point is 00:47:40 Maybe not maybe not like the matchmakers or anything, but I think the TK let me let me let me correct that I think the matchmakers knew what was what and the people inside UFC, but apparently my understanding is the TKO execs expected Rousey to just walk through her and were absolutely flabbergasted that she got pasted the way that she did. I have that on good authority. I remember the promotion for that fight and literally the promos were only Ronda. They didn't even like show Amanda and not just that they wouldn't you guys remember this they wouldn't show any Rousey highlight of the home fight. Yeah, it would show nothing about that where it's like well I mean, I feel like the fact that she just got head kicked into oblivion in her last fight is relevant for this one
Starting point is 00:48:22 But I know for a fact when I worked at ESPN that Rousey would call and complain to her point person there when the Sports Center intro would show the home highlight at all. This was the build to the Pena fight. No, are you kidding? So she had some level of almost pushback slash control on ESPN Sports Center and was like heavily monitoring that. Powerful figures in the sport
Starting point is 00:48:42 get a lot of stuff silenced and squashed. Yes, All right. Let's stay with UFC three 16. We got a lot to talk about in the undercard recap and we're going to talk first about Bannum weight patchy mix. Look, Luke and I covered that entire run for patchy mix in Bellator. He truly, truly was world class and we believed he could parachute right into the top five in the UFC and make instant trouble for anyone. He was being hailed as sort of this gift that dropped in and could be one to two fights away from catching a world title opportunity. Instead, man, he caught nothing but straight strikes to the face,
Starting point is 00:49:16 no head movement, beat up, a little bit of a rally in the third, but Luke, this has to be our lead undercard story from the just extreme lack of any awareness to move from the punches, his flat floor foot, flat foot plotting style. This was, and then unwillingness to shoot until the fight was already in hand. This loss was as disastrous as I could have imagined for Patchy. Yes, it fuels everyone going see the UFC is at a different level than I I just don't think that's the case for patchy Is this the was this the worst possible version of him that could have showed up at the worst possible time or
Starting point is 00:49:55 Was there some level of fraud checking here because I know the patchy I watched he fought sergio pedis Horiguchi he put these dudes to sleep. He knocked these dudes out rafi on starts Sergio Pettis, Horiguchi, he put these dudes to sleep. He knocked these dudes out. Raffián Stodds. That was not him. And he's in his prime. So Luke, what the hell was it on Saturday? Yeah, that was this was bad.
Starting point is 00:50:12 This was very, very bad. I didn't even say the name Mario Bautista, 8 Fight Wind Street. Congratulations. And he looked great too. Did we not say last week that I said he's like people don't want to give it to him because they hate him, but he's actually a good fighter. He is. Bautista's a good fighter.
Starting point is 00:50:22 I thought he was going to get subbed in this. I thought it was going gonna be the monstrous breakthrough Patchy Mix moment. I'll give credit to, I was listening to Jack Slack about this, and Jack Slack noted that if you go back to the Patchy Mix fight against Sergio Pettis, that what does Mix do? 30 seconds into the fight, he cage controls him, makes contact, and then swims the arm through and takes the back.
Starting point is 00:50:42 So like 30 seconds in, he's backpacking this guy Where the fuck was that where the fuck was that or where the fuck was that even in round? Why are you not spinning the entire third round spamming to get his back on the ground like just spam where where was any of that? I've said this before we said it last week The guy who ran through the bantamweight tournament in Bellator by the way and people like oh who did he beat well he beat ufc veteran kyogie horoguchi he beat ufc veteran and finished him by the way with brilliant choke from the back using one of his legs bj penn style though to hold him up he absurd geopetus put megamate up to sleep and then knocked out stats in the first fucking round the guy who ran through that tournament does have a claim to
Starting point is 00:51:23 being the best bantamweight but we said it when he had the rematch against Maga Madov, all of a sudden he just looked... By the way, he was lucky to get that win too. That was a very controversial win. But didn't you write that off as there's no stakes on the fight, it's an unnecessary rematch, it's Don Davis just throwing these bellator people where they don't belong. I was willing to give him that pass, but this is your UFC debut where you're coming in with people saying this could be the boogie man of the division. There was the rumor that he had given it to Marab for years in sparring when they'd done some work together. I've heard a lot of stories that him and Marab have very competitive rounds and that
Starting point is 00:51:57 this time mixes definitely gets the better of it. Did he freeze? Because I don't want to link this, but his fiance Tatiana Suarez, who you know I was picking to win the 115 title, I thought she was going to come in there and just kind of run through Whaley. She had an unfortunate, horrible fight. She was a warrior. She went the distance there. But like, that was almost like a big fumble and a big moment. Is this what this was for Patch in your eyes?
Starting point is 00:52:18 The fact that, like, there wasn't even like a game plan. He's just deer in headlights taking clean strikes at one after another. First of all, some of the notion that the guys who fight outside of the UFC aren't as good in aggregate is true. The UFC is going to have more better guys per division than other rivals typically. But I'm sorry, I lived through the merger of the strike force roster. I lived through the merger of even the pride roster. I lived through the merger of even the Pride roster. I lived through the merger of the WEC roster,
Starting point is 00:52:47 which was relevant at 55, because USC had a 55 division. And every single time it was merged, and we're talking like a lot of guys and ladies coming over, the first thing you heard was, these guys are not gonna do well. And then in aggregate, they ended up doing pretty well. In fact, Eddie Alvarez came over from Bellator,
Starting point is 00:53:03 had a terrible first fight I guess remember Don Seroni kicked his legs into oblivion, and he had no answer and you're like well. That was a terrible debut I wouldn't say it was terrible. He fought he fought well in defeat, but it wasn't a breakthrough He couldn't find any answer for Seroni's leg kicks, and it seemed like a lot of other guys at that time Were able to do that however what happened to Eddie he went on to win a goddamn title there and many other places, too You know he proved his worth. So listen Mixers 31 will see but you know, he's like, well I took this fight on three weeks notice. It's like dude If you have been off for as long as he's been off and been vis vocal about being off as long as he's been off
Starting point is 00:53:38 And you take a fight on three weeks notice You you don't get to complain about that after the fact. I understand that it can be a limiting factor, but you've been at the ready, chomping at the bit for an opportunity. You accepted it. You had all this time to work on the difficulties and he was able to make weight under those, which by the way, mixes a large bantam weight. That's the other part too. So was it a tough weight cut in the end because of the late notice and that Ultimately describes this or is it that mixed with the lights got brighter and he just no
Starting point is 00:54:13 He doesn't do the fact that he fought just like he did in the mega made of rematch tells me it's not octagon jitters Max a mix. Excuse me is a very experienced competitor, but to me it's, why weren't you going to your A game? Why wasn't there any of that until kind of late into the third, basically? Is he hiding an injury? Like what is going on? I mean, let's watch the video that he's getting ripped for. This was on UFC embedded during fight week.
Starting point is 00:54:39 Like right here where he rests, he won't be able to rest against me. Like if that kid can push him up against a fence, I think I can. I'm a three time world champion. This guy's a journeyman fighter. I will f*** him up, bro. I'm gonna f*** him up.
Starting point is 00:54:52 Look at his goals. I'll submit him and I'll submit whoever's teaching him jiu jitsu, I'll submit the whole f***ing group. But he didn't try a single take down there until like the mid third round. I just don't get it. Listen, if you were gonna, listen, if you have a guy who you know is
Starting point is 00:55:07 gonna move a lot on you and he's teeing off on you two minutes into the first round, it was clear that he wasn't getting out of the way of something, how is there not an adjustment to the thing that you actually are better, arguably better than the rest of the division at, which is grappling and then ultimately back creating back exposure and then taking the back where was any of that? And what does three weeks have to do with it? If that that your A game is the thing you're going to be able to apply the most
Starting point is 00:55:33 efficiently now granted against a resisting opponent is going to be difficult, but I just to me it's like oh, I had three weeks to prepare. Well, you made wait and you. You seem to have energy deep into the third, so he got beat up. I mean, I know he rallied a bit into the third. So he got beat up.
Starting point is 00:55:45 I mean, I know he rallied a bit in the third, but like it's tough. I believe in his ability. I was there for these fights. I watched them. Like that wasn't him in there, but it's a big setback. I think when, when Patricio Pitbull kind of came up flat and empty, you're also like, well, the dude's 37, right? It's also like, this is the aftermarket version of him.
Starting point is 00:56:02 I want to see Patchy bounce back. Cause that just, it wasn't him, and that was humbling. But on the flip side, Mario Bautista really executed a nice game plan, focusing on the body, going there often, and then that opened up the shots up top. The problem is there was just no head movement or anything, because Matt Mix was plotting and walking into him. But Bautista took advantage, and Luke,
Starting point is 00:56:21 with eight straight wins, he believes he now deserves a big fight, Let's hear him I guess what do you want next for your career? Because the last time we saw you before tonight was all the way back in october Um, you might have to take some time off to heal but you know people were saying patchy was going to be on the short list For title shot. So I guess uh, what do you want next? Uh, definitely won a top five, you know, I I think apache won this fight. They would shoot him all the way into the top. So I think Apache won this fight, they would shoot him all the way into the top. So I think I took his spot and all that hype.
Starting point is 00:56:48 So I definitely deserve a top five. I'm on an eight fight win streak and there's no one else above me that has a streak like that except for the champion. Are you gonna ask for main events or anything like five round fights? Because we've seen you against former champions, but we haven't seen you in those five rounds yet. Yeah, I would love a five round fight. I think I have a great team and we, you know, we've done five rounds.
Starting point is 00:57:07 You know, we have Benson who's done multiple five round fights. Um, so I would love to do that. I think it'd be a great test for myself. I'm down with him getting a main event. Let's go. Let's, let's continue this story. I mean, he got a lot of negativity from the Aldo fight for fighting boring. I didn't think he wanted it, but he's not the judges.
Starting point is 00:57:28 At the end, at the same time, we've seen him in action fights before. We've seen him be exciting. He did what he had to do in here. I just it was just he had a corpse in front of him and I can't explain it. I almost wish Patchy would come out and say this way cuts killing me. I can't do it anymore. I got to move up. I don't even know if that's the case. But like I'd almost lie in this instance to turn the narrative off of here. I mean, here's as bad as it gets.
Starting point is 00:57:45 Here's the thing that I, well, bad as it gets will be like viciously K.O. Getting stopped. Yeah. Yeah. But what I was going to say was how do you watch his performance and you can say, this is, I guess this is what's bothering me. I didn't quite crystallize it before. How can you watch that performance?
Starting point is 00:57:58 And you might say, well, way cut could play a part. Fine. Um, short notice could play a part, But how do you check off the list as not relevant that it was a skill issue? Like the way in which he was this ramrod straight and getting tagged over and over and over again. How do you look at that and say, oh, that's the weight cut. That's that's the because we don't see him do that. I'm not saying he's the world's best striker, but he's evolved his game and leveled it up to a certain level.
Starting point is 00:58:27 It looks to me like he might have regressed. Worth considering. Worth considering he's gotten away from what made him good. Yeah, but then again, we're still talking about Patchy here when the story's supposed to be Bautista. So is Bautista, has he shown us the rate fights, and it's a very impressive win streak,
Starting point is 00:58:41 but then the big names come at the end, and the Aldo one has some questions around it. I kind of feel like this one has questions around it, although he handles himself the way he should have. Is he a future contender? Meaning in striking distance of a world title? Is he of that ilk? Has he shown you that?
Starting point is 00:58:57 Uppachi? No, Bautista. It's finally about Bautista here. I feel like he's in a similar spot to Marab, where he's just gonna have to earn it slowly. You know what I mean? Like, they're not gonna hand him anything easy. They're not gonna hand him anything fun. He's not under the John Fitch plan,
Starting point is 00:59:12 where you're kinda like. I don't know if he's under the John Fitch plan, but he's probably not in a too dissimilar a place. Like, whatever good things are gonna happen, he's gonna have to take them. Straight up, he's gonna have to go in there and rob the bank. Like, that's what it's gonna have to be.
Starting point is 00:59:23 Are you impressed by Bautista? Because I know a lot of people are gonna go, like, all we're talking about is Patchy, when that guy did what he had to go in there and rob the bank like that's long I look are you impressed by Bautista because I know a lot of people are gonna go like All we're talking about is patchy when that guy did what he had to do in there Yeah, like I I had a bet on patchy. I was I obviously thought patchy would win I did not think for a second. It was octagon jitters. I was like, yeah exactly Bautista just looks fucking good out there and patchy looks I don't do that some point the fan base is gonna have to come to terms I'm gonna have to come to terms with I guess I'm gonna have to come to terms with that. I'm not giving him enough perspective. Bautista is good. No, he is good, yes. The question is how good and we don't know the answer to that because the Aldo fight didn't really tell
Starting point is 00:59:51 us nor did this fight really tell us. So there's still a question of like someone really pushing back on him at a higher from an elite standpoint and what that yields. We don't really know but I have a lot of confidence that this guy is, dude, he's a mover. He has a high work rate. He's got pretty good striking. He's got very good wrestling. He's got good anti-grappling, so to speak. Like, I'm sorry, you're going to have to have a really good game plan and a very refined skill set to beat a guy like that. You simply are. Interesting. In the middleweight division, Luke, we also saw Joe Poopypants Piper. You see that thing going on? Who is definitely not sensitive. Not at all.
Starting point is 01:00:27 Not a very sensitive guy. Here's what I gotta ask you. He ends up getting the 30-27, which I don't get, and then two 29-28s over Kelvin Gastel and the veteran who got dropped twice in the first round, but did, I thought, work his way back in two and three to some degree. Yeah, oh, he did. In fact, I can't believe there wasn't a scorecard in his favor or more of an argument. Well, no. I thought that was a two to one Gasteland fan. I'm an old school Gasteland fan, of course, but I also see his limitations more than anybody. Credit for him bouncing back, but because he was
Starting point is 01:00:56 able to bounce back and rally in and Joe was really down to one punch at a time, they were right on the broadcast. He just trying to line up and set up and cock that right hand. Did Piper show us in those final two rounds the limitations that might stop him from from getting to the top of this division? I don't know how this fight was that distinguishable from the Hermansen loss. Really? Yeah. Now you might say, well, look, that's crazy. He dropped him.
Starting point is 01:01:20 So he did like early on, dude, early on Gastelum was getting worked. Yeah. Piper had the full tank. Piper's got he's got nuclear power. Yeah, great. I'm angry like he's in there. Yeah, he's and he's definitely like intent on finishing you if the opportunity presents. But to the point you raised, round two was a much better round for Gastelum.
Starting point is 01:01:38 I thought he was better. The reason I can't give it to him is because I thought he was better defensively in round two, but just didn't get a lot of offense going. Even if I recognize Piper's offense went from like a 10 to a 5. Yes. And in round three, I gave it to Kelvin Gastelum. Here's my question. That fight is two more rounds. Who wins that fight? Now we don't know the answer to that. I think Kelvin. Well, A, you could make a very interesting case for Kelvin and B, the Hermansen also started out with Pfeiffer very strong and then fading down the stretch over the course of 25 minutes. This one, we didn't get to 25. It stopped at 15, but the same kind of tenor of the fight and the same kind of pattern emerged in this one as well.
Starting point is 01:02:19 It's like, it's not a question of whether Pfeiffer is good or bad. He's obviously very good. He's a good athlete. He's got ridiculous power. He's got ridiculous power. He's got very accurate punching and you know, he's a threat to anybody clearly. But did we see a demonstrable leveling up? No. From the Hermansen fight to this one.
Starting point is 01:02:36 I think he cleaned up some mechanics. I did think he looked a little bit more balanced and what do you want to throw in general? I mean, he's built, he's a specimen. He's a great athlete. He's a great athlete. he's a great athlete. But I'm just trying to point out, it didn't seem to me like that was a pivot point. It seemed to me like it was like an iterative improvement.
Starting point is 01:02:53 No, I think he still showed big limitations there. And then the whole like, was it because he was taxed with his gas tank? Is that why he reverted to the cocked right hand one? I mean, it looked like old Hendo in there. Yeah, it's like, dude, work behind that jab and put some things together here. This jab is powerful too.
Starting point is 01:03:07 Like there's a lot to like. So do you think it was a stamina dump in the last two rounds to some degree? I don't know if it's a stamina dump. You can't blame Mexican food this time, I don't think. But you could definitely blame the Newark food though. You can definitely. You got a little bit of that Newark.
Starting point is 01:03:18 I mean, you can straight up get HIV eating food in Newark. I mean, it's that bad. All righty. But what I was gonna say was, I don't know if it was a dump as much as like Kelvin kind of also slowly diffusing a bomb. The clock beat him in that sense, right? Like by the time he had diffused it and figured out how to get around it, he didn't have enough
Starting point is 01:03:36 for that to really work. So are you saying he should have to fight Edmund Shabazzian next, first one to get his own? I don't know about Edmund Shabazzian. I'm just saying, if I'm Pfeiffer, you got to like, first of all, you got win You gotta win over a name. Yeah, and you dropped him like there's a plenty to add to the highlight But at the same time if you're him you kind of have to realize This is like oh, oh the the concerns I had stemming from the Hermansen fight. They're no longer relevant. I Can you make that claim confidently? I don't know. you can. No, I'm not a believer right now.
Starting point is 01:04:05 I'm a believer that he can finish guys better than him in certain situations. You know, I mean, I think he'll get some stoppages. He's aggressive. He's putting together accurate punches, but we're going to have to see more. We're definitely going to have to see more. And this was maybe a wake-up call to that. Hey, Kevin Holland, maybe you should consider a full-time career at 170. Luke, he went in there against Vicente Luque and looked like a contender, like he does at times
Starting point is 01:04:28 when he fights at this weight class and doesn't take last minute big money 185 opportunities. Dude, the choke, the shout out to Coach Travis Luthor, like, are you not entertained and impressed by this? I want this version again. Not the cowboy 2.0, like don't follow Seroni's game plan to success He's all-famous a beloved figure but Kevin Holland could be a problem at welterweight if he stays at welterweight. I don't Kevin Holland prepared and fighting up to his potential at 170 is
Starting point is 01:04:59 Fun, it's exciting. It's interesting Do I think he's the best 170 year in the world? I don't know if there's evidence for that, but I think he can give the best 170 years a real tough time. You'll call JDM only beat him via split decision. And I don't even know if Holland was still performing up to his abilities. BC, he's a dual threat. On the ground he can submit you and certainly on the feet, he's heavy handed. He doesn't mind contact. He's entertaining.
Starting point is 01:05:27 Rangey. Gives good interviews. It's like, dude, like Cerrone settled into that role. He did fight for a title against RDA, but he got whooped in the first round and it didn't go anywhere. So to me, he kind of settled into that role in part because, you know, they needed a guy who they could put in that role. He can, hey, fill in here, fill in here, fill in here.
Starting point is 01:05:47 But at the same time, that was basically the maximum expression of what he could do in MMA. I don't think following that is the maximum expression for Kevin Holland. It seems to me like there might be a little bit higher of a ceiling. I want to see him get serious and make a title. And by the way, Serrani was a dual threat too, but he was a little bit more susceptible to, for example, shots to the body. He wasn't as durable. He also froze in big fights. He even admitted that. I mean, after the Conor debacle, he kind of... Yeah, I mean, that wasn't the only one he had issues in. But to your point,
Starting point is 01:06:14 Kevin Holland does when he gets overwhelmed at 85, yes, but at 70, he's, dude, he's as, if he's a dog to get against someone at 70, he's a live dog the whole time. Should he press his luck and try to take down either two risers, Protesh or Morales? Protesh maybe has more questions at this moment, but should he be looking in either of those directions at Walter? I will tell you, I don't think he's up for it, but a rematch against Buckley, who by the way, he finished via strikes at 85. So Buckley's got to get through Camaro next weekend in Atlanta.
Starting point is 01:06:42 Buckley's got Camaro this weekend in Atlanta, so I don't know, and he's kind of a little bit further along in the division, but this is my point. Holland finished that guy up a weight class, but that guy consolidated himself, had a plan, stuck to it, and is marching through, and now he's ahead of essentially Holland in the rankings. It didn't necessarily need to be that way. Yes. Let's head down to Joshua Vann of Don't Call It Burma, Myanmar. Dude, he's put that Charles Johnson loss behind him improved to four and oh, since then seven
Starting point is 01:07:09 and one in the UFC overall, just 23 years old. We're getting close to contendership here and we can use that at fly weight, some fresh blood to mix in. Like is he getting closer or is this just, I'm loving his hands. I'm loving a lot of what he brings to the table. Josh Vans, easily one of the best prospects in the sport. Easily. Independent of weight class, independent of organization.
Starting point is 01:07:35 As you indicated, 701 UFC, 23 years old. He strikes in combination. Bruno Silva, the opponent, I forgot that. Yeah, Bruno Silva, who by the way, I thought put up a spirited effort. Sure. Got abused, but still put up a spirited effort. Hats a couple things going for him along the way that made, I mean, I still think Van gets hit a lot. And, you know, there's obviously a lot of polish to other parts of his game that have to come into play. To me, he's almost like a little bit too offensive. Not that I want to see him heavily dial it down, but just a little bit more precise, a little bit too offensive. Not that I want to see him heavily dial it down, but just a little bit more precise, a little bit more patient and then go.
Starting point is 01:08:08 But the skills that he's got BC are extraordinary. The upside is extraordinary. I mean, what was the last time we were this excited about a striking flyweight contender on their way up the rankings? Like it's just, you know, Mokhaev had a lot of potential, but he had to like, he wasn't putting a lot of offense. He was doing a lot of control positions. Now to Mokhaev had a lot of potential, but he had to like, he wasn't putting a lot of offense. He was doing a lot of control positions. Now to Mokhaev's defense, it looks like he's actually on the outside of the UFC, finally getting the maturation that he needs.
Starting point is 01:08:33 So by the time he comes back, he might be a whole different thing. I'm only- If they let him back, you know. I think they will. I think they will. And I've often said, what did I tell you? They put these guys, these guys think that they want to be in UFC because the most amount of money is there and they go too early and they're not ready for it.
Starting point is 01:08:46 Josh Vann is kind of circumventing that BC by his level of activity. He's fighting all the freaking time and so I think that is keeping him that's what he needs at this age. If he can avoid taking beatings and he can avoid some of the damage that he's currently suffering. Sky's the limit. He is special. Let's see. Uh, I, I needed this to start talking about this light heavyweight Russian hammer who fights once per year, Azuma, Mirza, Conoff, he went in there
Starting point is 01:09:15 against Rubiro and, and wasn't a killer. Although the guy was on a two fight win streak, but Luke, he's now five and O with four KOs in the UFC after he came off a Dana White Contenders series performance. Remember that was against Sheffield where he just absolutely obliterated him. Dude, he wants a five round headliner right now. He's interesting. Can we get this guy active? Are you impressed? I know it's not the top level, but did he send Alonzo Menafield to hell last year? Yeah, I need to see more, but from what I've seen, he seems like he could be fun not afraid of contact big power first round finish first round finisher
Starting point is 01:09:50 Again, that's hard to make a big conclusion about this But imagine him he was talking to Johnny Walker who was in the front row afterwards and they were kind of like almost like hey We should fight would you be down for the book? They were booked I think for this night and then it got replaced with Habaro Johnny Walker had to pull out there you go There you go, so he would have had a big ish fight right? I say that's a tough fight for Johnny Walker Also this Viking Walter way Andreas Gustafson who apparently has very sketchy tattoos I'm not sure what the truth is but he's telling me his tattoos need to be investigated He's always he dating Andrea Lee to he's a self-professed caveman Luke is this the caveman we all deserve because no game plan squaring up walking into chaos Williams personal space
Starting point is 01:10:37 For 15 minutes at full speed and full damage. Do he beat the shit out of them? Yeah, he did again putting the tattoo issue aside for just a moment, because I'm not sure what the truth is, but... Yeah, you tried to out somebody as a racist last time. You were my... Well, Eddie Hall, were you wrong on that one? No. Oh, you were right. Well, I don't know where he stands currently,
Starting point is 01:10:54 but, you know, did he say that in 2013? Yeah, he did. Who knows today? Doesn't matter. What I'm trying to make is, if we're just evaluating the fight on the fight terms, BC, you know, underhooking and then just forcing a guy into basically the Greco version of an MMA fight is exactly what he needed to do. And Chaos Williams just had no way of doing anything other than hanging on and playing catch up. I mean, again, the best guys and the winningest fighters tend to put fights on their terms. This was about as clear as an example of that as it gets.
Starting point is 01:11:27 Yeah, I'm with you. But all in all, I thought a fun card. All in all, I learned some things. I was entertained. I wasn't unhappy about UFC 360. The U-knockout, the check hook. Oh my gosh, dude. That was one of the best knockouts I've ever seen. It was so fucking perfect. Face first, too. Face first, stiffened up, and went boom. Why do they call him, What do they call him little? Zombie jr. Zombie jr. Just just because he's another well, I think he I think he has his protege Yeah, he's a protege. Yeah, and then also like, you know, he big bigs him up and all. Yeah. Yeah
Starting point is 01:11:55 Okay, that guy's a fun guy to watch. I was a tremendous KO Listen, it wasn't the biggest night of fights, but I thought I mean when it was over it was the only thing that's kind of interesting is the co-main event went a little quietly, and then Marab to me upped the ante by getting the sub. Yeah. But because it was a fight that was probably not supposed to be made anyway, we've talked about it. Again, it was made for largely, I think, promotional reasons, not like total meritocracy. It wasn't a lot of like love thought.
Starting point is 01:12:23 So, but because that was circumvented And then he gets finished even quicker. I think a lot of fans are like oh, well what you know? Cool from Rob great from Rob. Yeah, what was the point of that? So there's a little bit of that happening long on Luke anyone else we should be talking about I mean they kind of screwed Sergey Spivak, but you know it happens It definitely screwed Sergey Spivak a feel bad for the guy I gotta give a shout out to Quillen Sal killed my my Aussie Brother and he got another dub there looked well-rounded. You know Big guy or nah nah he trains with I don't know if he trains with JDM, but he's
Starting point is 01:12:54 CKB is in New Zealand right do I always get that wrong CKB is in New Zealand yes, I always assume It's you know just one big island the two islands. No. It's not no Tasmania Luke you may know this finals big island, the two islands. No, it's not. No. Shout out to Tasmania. Luke, you may know this. The finals. Basketball, playoff time, heating the hell up, right? Oh, hell yeah. You know what I'm saying?
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Starting point is 01:15:06 days limited time offer terms at pick six dot draft kings dot com slash promos. Well said let's go to topic number four in Norfolk. We have a problem. Keyshawn Davis formerly the unbeaten still unbeaten but formerly the WBO lightweight champion was expected to headline at his home arena the scope in Norfolk against hard-hitting Edwin De Los Santos in the first defense of his new title.
Starting point is 01:15:28 Then he had a 48-hour implode freefall of his own personal stock that it was one after another, and it kept escalating here. This is almost, we haven't seen before. You know Davis, I'm big high on the businessman, one of three fighting brothers in the Davis family that go by DB3. He looked like he was starting to knock on pound for pound, starting to really become, whether he's part of the four, five, six kings or not, or Prince's, a true breakout star. But in two days, he missed weight for the fight by 4.3 pounds, and then was accused by everyone, including his own promoter,
Starting point is 01:16:03 top ranks Bob Arum, of not even trying or showing any remorse to cut that weight. Here's a tweet from Dan Rayfield says talk to Bob Arum about Keyshawn. He was not happy the quote from Arum. You can tell if a guy is trying to make weight and just can't you can see that he's dehydrated. That wasn't the case with Keyshawn. He never really tried to make 135. That's my view of what happened end quote.
Starting point is 01:16:24 So not only to Keyshawn not try to cut down on the weight is gamble that Edwin de los Santos would be okay with it and that they could figure out a deal and a transfer of a percentage of his purse never happened. Why because a Los Santos is promoter Samson, Luke which saw quichon's back at the weigh-in saw that it wasn't sweaty at all saw that he didn't try to cut the weight. And after a long, a short negotiation
Starting point is 01:16:47 that got contentious there, Hilo Santos pulled out of the fight completely, top-rank being forced to pay the purse. This was during a week that the mayor of Norfolk declared Keyshawn Davis week in Norfolk, and the original plan, according to my sources, was that he was gonna be given a key to the city after the win. So we go to fight night. Remember they flew in Michael Vick, Shaquille O'Neal, Terrence
Starting point is 01:17:09 Crawford, all these stars to really... I think Allen Iverson I heard. Allen Iverson to celebrate that area and then... The 757. The seven towns or cities or... That's my first cell phone because I was like William & Mary was a 757. Well Luke, it couldn't have got crazier until it did. So people may not remember, two years ago, Keyshawn Davis fought Nahir Albright of Philadelphia,
Starting point is 01:17:28 won a very close majority decision over him, then Keyshawn popped for marijuana in the state of Texas and got turned to a no contest. Nahir Albright hasn't fought since then, he's been fighting in team combat league, yet Kelvin Davis, the older brother of Keyshawn, wanted the fight with Nahir. I was telling you that was gonna be a tough matchup. Nahir Albright pulls the upset and does it in dominant fashion, landing huge power shots.
Starting point is 01:17:50 Now according to Albright, who had a locker room next to Keyshawn, he was celebrating. The Davis brothers overheard it, got annoyed. They ran in, attacked him, head-butted him. If we can show the dual picture here along Island Luke of the before and after. On the left, you'll see Albright after the fight, which he won by I think splitter majority decision and it shouldn't have been, he dominated. And then you can see on the right him
Starting point is 01:18:13 after that first incident where he has the big knot on his head. So Luke, he was interviewed on the right there by Mark Kriegel in the outside of the locker room. Keyshawn and his brother Keon ran into the locker room, headbutted, tried to fight him. The cut man and the coach pulled them away. They separated. Then he goes out in a live interview on TV and tells everybody what happened. Keyshawn and Keon come running back and we have video of this.
Starting point is 01:18:36 This was the second altercation in which Keyshawn's infant son, who was in a stroller, was nearly trampled. Both him and his brother Ke Keon, needed to be separated. Kelvin was reportedly ejected by local police from the arena after blowing weight on the main event. 20% of the fans got a refund, which is what happens when the main event gets changed. Or canceled.
Starting point is 01:18:58 Cancelled and may have, you know, may have legal issues for all we know from this. So, Luke Thomas, it's funny because throughout this weekend you kept texting me, this is such a stain, he'll never come back from this. And after each, you know, escalation, I'm like, yeah, well, I'll be alright. Yeah, he'll be, no. Okay, now it is unforeseen levels. Right now, as we speak for Davis and by proxy the DB3, his three brothers,
Starting point is 01:19:23 will they ever be able to fully recover from this? I don't. I wish I could easily say yes. I cannot easily say yes. I mean, it is. This is so bad that you almost have to treat Keishon Davis as the Manchurian candidate. Have you seen this movie? I know of the movie. I haven't seen it. It's a story, but the basic idea is that a guy is
Starting point is 01:19:51 in control by another group and is sort of infiltrating and then, you know, they use that guy to, you know, to wield the other group's interest against the home group, right? So like a Trojan horse kind of thing. You almost have to treat him like a mentoring and candidate as is someone programmed him to make every possible decision to make things worse for him worse for himself from missing weight, not just missing weight BC, but being kind of unrepentant about it. Yes, right. Didn't try to cut weight. And when they asked him, he was like, I knew I was going to go up to 40 anyway. And it was like, well, then he tried to play the weight building trick where you give up the belt because you were going to move up anyway, but then you get
Starting point is 01:20:29 the advantage. So you lose your title on the scale. The thing goes, and then the negotiations go sideways with De Los Santos, who by the way, by Virginia edict still gets paid anyway. So you think Bob Arum's happy about that? Top rank is in the middle of trying to find a new television deal. American boxing is desperate for a new star and you can't even act right on the day of the fight, which again, the main event is canceled in your homecoming celebration. And this wasn't one, this wasn't one fight that got out of control. It was two attacks. To the point where they then have to escort you out of the building on fight night The only thing missing from this utter calamity is he didn't pop positive on a drug test, right? For any performance or spend the night in jail or spend the night in jail or there was a more serious crime, but essentially
Starting point is 01:21:18 Virtually everything he could have done to sully his name, to make people not interested, to piss off the promoter, to piss off your home fan base, which is by the way, kind of essential to building a national and then ultimately international fan base. He did everything possible on BC. It is now past noon on Monday and he still has not really issued any kind of statement that even borders on contrition. We talked about this over the weekend. David Benavidez has made some mistakes earlier in his career. The first time we interviewed him on LMK, he lost his title on the scales, but he kind
Starting point is 01:21:54 of rallied himself. And now that's kind of in the mirror. He lost his title twice and he's come all the way back. But now no one even thinks about that because of how professional he's run. So maybe Keyshawn can turn a corner, but Dave, I remember when we interviewed Benavidez that day, he seemed kind of contrite about it. Keyshawn seems like the world has done him a disservice by asking him to act according to the agreement that he made to be a professional. This is a total nuclear, Chernobyl level disaster for a guy stock. People have asked me in the DMS and you know, like, like the kind of question that I just asked you, like, well, can he come back from this? The answer is yes.
Starting point is 01:22:34 Boxing is, is a short memory there. It's forgiving as long as you handle your business in the ring and then it helps it go faster. If you show, you know, uh, an instant repentance from this line of activity, if you come out and say, look, you show, you know, an instant repentance from this line of activity. If you come out and say, look, I was, you know, believing in my hype too much. And he, it felt like it in all his interviews, his interviews, including the one with me
Starting point is 01:22:52 on my YouTube channel was great because he's so damn cocky. Don't put me in with Ryan and Haney and the four princes. I don't want to be any of that. I'm the one, I'm the goat. Like it's refreshing. He's this bad-ass that wants it. This could not have gone any worse for him, like your point,
Starting point is 01:23:07 as if he's almost trying to bring it upon himself. And I just can't figure out, like, what was he thinking? I mean, to escalate it in every single way. So, top rank elevated the Coalmane event, which happens to be a fighter in his own division, Abdullah Mason, who we love, the young prospect, where he improved to 16 16 and oh with 14 KOs just 21 years old. He got elevated to the main event he handled his business against Jeremiah Nakatee of the veteran and stopped him in the fifth
Starting point is 01:23:31 round. But I don't know if you heard the top-rank ESPN broadcast they were giving it to key Sean and rightfully so. And then elevating as well. This is the future the guy who might be fighting for the vacant title next for all we know in Abdullah Mason. I sent you that video at the, at the what, Thursday press conference, where Abdullah and Keyshawn were sitting next to each other and Keyshawn took umbrage with Mason saying that like he's ready for a title shot, he's ready to fight the best and they had a back and forth and we were all like oh my god they could fight each other too and Bob was like
Starting point is 01:23:58 well maybe two to three years. Now it feels like they're just almost moved Keyshawn aside and was like cost us, let's push Abdullah Mason. But the fact that Albright got sucked into this, the fact that they were, the Davis family were willing to take that fight when that was Keyshawn's hardest fight arguably up to this point. And then the guy gets attacked twice. So was the second one for snitching on live TV?
Starting point is 01:24:20 Because they didn't have locker room footage that they shared of the fight, just the stuff that happened in the hallway. Here's Nahir Albright afterwards, kind of trying to figure out what happened. Locker room and celebrating my victory with my team. And yeah, Kishawn and his little brother came in and they started looking at me and it's like, they're saying something about his older brother, like they was mad and he like grabbed me, pushed me back, I'm grabbing his hand, he moved his head towards my head,
Starting point is 01:24:49 got a little... So you bumped heads? Yeah, he headbutted me. Yeah, he headbutted me. Okay. So... Ke'Jon did? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:59 So, yeah, that's what happened. Any words between you and them after the fight that might have led to this incident? No, actually, like I said, I was in the locker room. They locker room is right next door to mine. So I guess they heard us happy and all that kind of stuff. And they came in and started trouble. Did anyone punch you or anything,
Starting point is 01:25:23 or was it just a headbutt? Yeah, just a grab and a headbutt. Why do you think they would do this? I mean, they upset that they brother lost. And yeah, sportsmanship. Have you ever heard of something like this before? Have you ever seen or heard of something like this? I've never been through this.
Starting point is 01:25:40 I've never seen no one go through this. Yeah. So how did the altercation end? Who ended it? My coaches like grabbed them and then I think security came in and grabbed them. There's a video of T Sean like trying to charge again. Was there like a second time or was there like that was my my older brother. That was your older brother. Yeah, my older brother because he he was trying to talk to them Like that was unprofessional and things like that and uh, yeah, it just got crazy My older brother name is Terrence Brown. Yeah
Starting point is 01:26:15 So Luke Mason now getting the big push he may end up fighting for that title soon And here is Mason reacting to this one when he was asked after the fight. They jumped Albright What are your thoughts on leaving the fighting to the ring? I mean, that's not how I get down. You know, I say that's a... You see where me and my brother's at, you know, we ain't here in a locker room together, you know. We enjoying our win. And like I said, we about business. He said he did what? What happened? So Luke, he can turn it around, but you're gonna have to see instant repentance, a change, you know,
Starting point is 01:26:50 giving back to the community for what he was unable to give this time around and it's gonna take time. I mean, we have short memories when people go back in the ring and handle themselves and remind us of how great they are. We love Second Chance stories even more than someone achieving the first time, but this felt like like like a villain heel turn here. You know what I mean? Like I'm not and it's like you know Kishan was acting a little crazy in the lead-up to this and he's had you know admitted some very serious mental health troubles in the past and battles that he's been through so I certainly hope everything is you know together in his mind's where it needs to be but it just didn't seem like it.
Starting point is 01:27:25 I mean, here's, here's how bad this is. It's like. Now Ryan Garcia had a different set of troubles because he did pop positive for performance dancing drugs and that, you know, and then he had the subsequent performance where he looked quite poor. And so there's bigger issues, but I just want to point out on fight week, when he fought Devin Haney, he was engaging in every manner of possible unprofessional behavior, but he did show up on fight Night and he did compete for 12 rounds and, you know,
Starting point is 01:27:48 essentially got a victory there. And the fans were largely in support of him all the way through. In other words, you can be like an insanely odious person. You can miss weight, but you can't be so self-sabotaging that everything falls apart, including the fight and even your ability to be in the arena. You still have to be a part of boxing for this to work. He couldn't even deliver on that.
Starting point is 01:28:17 This is, I've, I've got to be honest. I don't know if I've seen self-sabotage in, I've seen incremental self-sabotage where it lasted, you know, years or something. Andrew Gulotta and big fights. Yes. Just constant self-sabotage. Okay, but it wasn't 48 hours. This was basically 48 hours of pure disaster.
Starting point is 01:28:36 I mean, he even make it to the ring and then to, I mean, it's tough and he's such a talent. Like, what would be the closest equivalent? I don't know what the answer is. I don't know. The colors just change. You hope this is a humbling Career altering moment in a good way not a negative way We don't play the video but Albright would go on to say that
Starting point is 01:28:51 Terrence Crawford and Bo Mac Brian McIntyre who's the trainer of the three Davis brothers came into the locker room to apologize Afterwards like it was that you see Bo Mac catching some strays because he always has the family's Okay, he always has the will go to go to that video here and let's check in. Apologize to you or anything? Anyone from their camp or anything after all this happened? Did Kelvin apologize to you or what did he say? Uh, Bomek. Bomek and Terrence Crawford came in and was like,
Starting point is 01:29:17 sorry for the inconvenience. Yeah. What did that mean? How much did that mean? It meant a lot. I got a picture of us. Did he show us just by any chance? Yeah. I hope it's on this phone. But yeah, I was like, I had to take in the moment. Being a champion and then Terrence Crawford comes to your room. What? Shout out to Nahir. Now, honest question.
Starting point is 01:29:43 Should the next fight be Nahir Albright in a rematch with Kishon Davis? He came close the first time. He just beat his brother. He just got attacked twice. Like, is that the punishment for Kishon? You know, and the reward for Albright? I would not hate that idea. I hadn't thought about that, but I would not hate that idea. And I know we're pushing late on time, but I have to bring this up. And I hate saying this because you know I love boxing and love this generation of young
Starting point is 01:30:07 American stars. But when the Times Square fight happened May 2nd, and in one night the stocks of Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney just went plummeting in a win and a loss while we're trying to hype a potential rematch against them, and then everyone's going, see, enough with this Four Princes, Five Kings. They ain't it. They're cursed. Let me just say this.
Starting point is 01:30:27 Ryan Garcia, drug issues, a lot of issues, just had a very bad. Wildly racist, just say it. Just had a very bad loss, okay? Devin Haney in a comeback win from an awful performance in an awful circumstance had like the worst possible way to win where people are like, he's scared, his stock is down.
Starting point is 01:30:44 Shakur Stevenson still has the talent, but like got booed in consecutive fights, including one in this home arena for being too passive. Who am I missing here? Tank is kind of going through that situation with Roach with the controversial draw, and Tank talking about retirement a lot. And then do you throw in Keyshawn, throwing it all away?
Starting point is 01:31:02 Or are they cursed? Or is this just part of the life cycle here? I mean, like Floyd had some rough moments outside the ring on his rise up. It's not, you know, I mean, that that happens in boxing. Happens a lot. I don't know. It just feels like you can see the decline of American boxing through them. You can. You can see you can see where they're all not going to live up to their expectations, right?
Starting point is 01:31:23 But at the same time, they're all kind of down at the moment, right? Like in some way, you can understand what is wrong with American boxing by taking a look at their careers. Yes. Even as even as bright as they sometimes are. Teo sometimes has bright spots. Teo Teofimo being the other one. Just Keishon also has bright spots. And of course, you know, Gervonta Davis has been, you know,
Starting point is 01:31:42 arguably the face of American boxing for a time. But all right, let's go to topic number five. We said we weren't going to talk about this again, but now we finally have Dana White talking about this. But does he know what he's talking about? It's interesting. Dana White, who skipped the UFC 315 post fight press conference in Montreal and then skipped both the way in and pre fight press conference at UFC 316 did arrive on Saturday after peddling his new form, Anheuser-Busch energy drink during the week and did take questions after being Trump's caddy at UFC 316.
Starting point is 01:32:14 One of the big topics surrounded will Jones Aspinall ever happen and now the escalation of the past week, which has seen John Jones tweet about 5,000 times about he doesn't care if he's stripped, he doesn't want to fight, he doesn't think Aspen all deserves it, blah to the blah. Also you have Francis Ngannou through trainer Eric Nixik saying he's interested in coming back. Can we show the quote tweet from Francis and Don Davis of how this escalated even further? First you had Francis saying to John Jones, you take care of the UFC, I'll take care of the PFL and we'll finally find out who's the king of heavyweight. And then John, Don Davis,
Starting point is 01:32:48 who was feeling himself, he had a good week with PFL. We got $25 tickets. We got the app which I downloaded and took a look at. It's pretty good. Don was on fire. He's like, Hey proposal, Jones versus Aspen, all winner take all best MMA heavyweight of all time. Don even pitched that if Francis wins, PFL and Francis split 100% of the profits, the same for John and the UFC on the flip side. But Dana, who either is playing the game that he always does with the media
Starting point is 01:33:19 or is legitimately checked out, doesn't follow the news cycle and has no idea, had no idea this stuff with John was even going on. Let's hear from Dana. It's a conversation we've had many times now, the Tom Aspinall, John Jones fight. It's a bit different now, right? Because John's been tweeting a lot about the fact that he's told you his plans, he's ready to vacate the belt and all the rest of it. What's he said? He's ready to vacate the belt. He said he doesn't care if you strip it, but he would vacate it. Fucking crazy. Yeah, I've been busy busy I haven't been keeping up with the gossip he comes back he's either back today or came back yesterday or whatever
Starting point is 01:33:51 he you know he's in Thailand so he's home we'll be home tonight and Tuesday we'll figure this out if he doesn doesn't fight Tom Aspinall, because he also called out Francis Ngarnu, he said he'd rather fight Francis, which I see. Who did? John. Yeah. Okay. Not that interested in that then. But if he doesn't fight Tom Aspinall and he does walk away, do you think he's ducked him? Tom Aspinall is the guy. He's the guy.
Starting point is 01:34:21 Sounds like Bob Aron. Well, it sounds like. Listen, if the guy wants to retire and doesn't want to fight, nothing you do. I didn't want Habib to retire. I didn't want, I thought DC should have stayed in it longer. So it's none of my business. I'll do what I can to make the fight if we can. If he's talking that crazy shit.
Starting point is 01:34:41 I didn't realize that. And last one on this. I remember a time when GSP announced he was walking away after the Johnny Hendrix fight I'm not sure if he's talking that crazy. It's like I didn't realize that. He's running. Yeah. And last one on this. I remember a time when GSP announced he was walking away after the Johnny Hendrix fight and you said he owes it to the
Starting point is 01:34:52 belt and the company to at least defend it against the guy that rightfully should fight for it. Do you think that's kind of the same here with John? Alright, Oscar. What's up with the fellow buster? Yeah. But John's been John's been John
Starting point is 01:35:02 since he walked in the door here. Um. Do I give credit to the reporters. They didn't ask all the questions I wanted. Long Island Luke, were you in that group of people? No, I left before Dana. Okay. Dana came out very late. But they asked good questions and they even pushed back. And before I get your take on this, the big news reveal came from Dana.
Starting point is 01:35:20 It was that John officially agreed to the fight at some point. Didn't sign the contract, but officially agreed to, I'm guessing, to what? The number and the fact that he'll do it. I'm guessing. And then even Mike Bowen asked him a second time to explain it. But I think this is Dana revealing that. Let's listen to him one more time. In your heart, do you believe that this is just the process or is it ultimately you'll get him to fight it? It's definitely the process with John Jones.
Starting point is 01:35:46 I've been going through this since the day he started here. And it's yeah, it's definitely the process. Do you believe him and Anderson Silva? Him and Anderson Silva, every time you know throughout the history of being in business with those guys, when it comes time to get them fight it's like dealing with artists. It's interesting that's your gut like in your gut right now does it does it tell you that that fight will end up happening what's that like in your gut do you think that fight will ultimately end up happening yeah i mean i've been saying it since the beginning and uh john jones agreed to do the fight so um the beginning and John Jones agreed to do the fight. So John Jones was offered the deal and accepted the deal.
Starting point is 01:36:28 OK, so that's big. But I think an even more important do you believe that? Well, I want to sub in an even more important question. I don't know if I can ask you if you believe that. Is this evidence? And I thought Zach Arnold had a really nice piece this morning, the MMA draw, where he just basically said, this was Dana on full display showing you
Starting point is 01:36:45 that he's the brand ambassador and the influencer and nothing more. He's not part of the decision making. He seemed to have no clue. He wasn't there all week. He sort of just flies in, walks Trump in, and that's his role. Am I going to ham on that?
Starting point is 01:36:56 And it's not like it's a new conversation, but like, did you get any feeling like, now what he did say about working with Turkey for Canelo Crawford seemed to be confirmed by a turkey tweet That came after overnight, but on this topic is Dana still Dana or is he just the rich guy that they have to keep busy so it can be the face of the promotion I think I would be speaking out of turn if I made a Big proclamation about how he is viewed within TKO and what role he actually has.
Starting point is 01:37:26 But I don't know how you can watch this. And again, he wasn't at the weigh-ins. He was not at media day, not media day, I'm sorry, the press conference. And because he was promoting his own drink or I'm sure he's very, very, I mean, this is the issue where he's clearly busy to the point where it's like, it is very obvious that the UFC does not occupy the same space in his orbit as it once did. So we're wasting our time here? I don't know if it ever will again.
Starting point is 01:37:51 Like, I'll give him that Hunter's probably the one negotiating the dollar value from instructions from Ari and Shapiro. Yes. But like, is Dana actually the one that calls John, calls Aspinall? Like, is he just out of that? Is that not him? Is he just a? I think he does some of that, but I think Hunter does most of that too. I mean, it's kind of funny. I hit up guys who still go to shows and I kind of asked them like what the vibe is and stuff like that. And I asked them, you know, what's the deal with Dana not being at the presser and Dana not being at the way? And it's like, oh, well, he's expected to arrive tomorrow. And I'm like, what are you going to ask? And they've told me, like I've heard of
Starting point is 01:38:23 some several different guys. It's's like even when he shows up sometimes it doesn't even say anything you know dude like and this is a guy who used to scrum it up after every pay-per-view and then literally spar with the media right taking taking you know rapid-fire question at 315 where he where he skipped out in the post-war press conference and then reportedly got right on the private jet and left don't forget that press conference the before the fight which he also hosted was the quickest one I've ever seen. They went from actually this one with Anik was quick too, but they
Starting point is 01:38:48 went, it was like same thing like 15, 16 minutes. Let's let's let's face them off. I don't know, dude. Um, it just, I mean, did the question have to ask yourself, and this is the only one only TKO can answer this, which is, do you still see not Dana White as an important representative of the brand? Because clearly that is still a thing, but rather do you still see him as the media and then world outreach bulldog for the brain? No.
Starting point is 01:39:12 And I think that they've moved on from that role. Then they should just have, I'm honest, they should have Hunter Campbell come out for the post fight now because that it seems to be the only time you get all back and forth. They asked the real questions. And again, I thought the media did a good job asking those real questions they asked about the media deal Dana understandably was like can't give you an update we'll let you know I know as soon as next month right and I understand that that is a fluid situation but I don't know if this means anything to Jones asthma I mean
Starting point is 01:39:37 it's embarrassing it's embarrassing that that that there's no answers on this it's embarrassing to ask Melton we would you talk about it every week it's fucking embarrassing I mean if they are holding this for the new TV deal, then I'll never forgive them I really gonna hold this to 2026 I don't know, but it's just embarrassing and unforgivable for Dana to make it seem like I believed him unless he's acting like he has No fuck. Oh John said what I've like I just says just not even remotely dialed in They did ask him though. Do he ever relent on Inganu? What would happen if he came to you and says like, I'll fight, but I won't fight Aspinall,
Starting point is 01:40:11 I would fight Inganu. Would you even be interested in that or no? I don't have Inganu on our contract and Aspinall is the guy. If you were put in the position position would you maybe try to get Inganu back on her contract or no probably not yeah understood I'm just I'm just curious hold up business who does that who does that I mean here's the fans anymore there's a basic question how does boycotting working with Inganu yes help UFC fans. There's literally not an argument for it. Vince McMahon would sign people he had terrible beefs with.
Starting point is 01:40:54 Terrible because he wins. By them making him money, he wins. That's why. Who did he sign that I might recognize who he had a horrendous beef with? There's a list. Okay. Uh, okay? Brett Hart, Bruno Sammartino. Like, he inevitably reunites with everybody. Hulk Hogan, like anybody that- Did he have beef with CM Punk? CM Punk, like everybody ends up coming back. And it's, you could frame it at his love
Starting point is 01:41:17 for his own business and serving the fans, but even if it's just under him just being a ruthless business gangster, he wants you to have, he'll let you win the WrestleMania match, but he wants you to have, he'll let you win the WrestleMania match, but he wants you to have to come back in and he's going to make money off of you. Either way, the fans win, the company wins. These stupid things, like 2025 and forward on UFC can't have this anymore, can't have these stupid... I would just love to hear what the argument is that
Starting point is 01:41:43 keeping Francis out is better for UFC fans. I don't I don't understand what that could possibly be. It's unbelievable. All right. And then real quick here is Dana on Canelo Crawford, which I want to get your response to what you think happened here. And then just last one for me, more unrelated to this fight, but Turkey is made it seem like you weren't going to be promoting the Terrence Crawford Canelo fight is there anything you can kind of clear up on that? He made it feel like I wasn't yeah, well he said that some other someone else was promoting it He didn't say no TKO He just didn't include your name in a tweet and people kind of freaked out online about where Dana go I'm gonna tell you what's awesome man, so There's a lot of fucked up things about boxing but They don't say shit.
Starting point is 01:42:25 I mean, nobody talks. It's the most amazing thing. If we sign a deal, I gotta fucking get on my phone quick and go, hey, we just fucking, cause 90,000 people will be out there talking about it. These guys don't talk. I'm promoting the fight. Is that fight happening in Vegas still?
Starting point is 01:42:42 Cause I'll let you guys know when it's time to let you know. So did Turkey not flip out on Netflix? I don't understand it, but no, I mean, I've heard from a few different people that there was clearly an issue there. But is Turkey the wild card and Dana's actually, that's what I think. I think actually Dana is the dude. Say what you like Dana or not like Dana. He does get deals done and has been getting deals done for literally decades. We like the old Dana a lot Okay, I mean we again when he wants to he can be quite effective I think turkeys the wild card here turkeys the one that just wants things and also I think I said I did I said it before Canelo took a backseat to Jorge Masvidal versus Nate Diaz when he fought Kovalet on his own never do that again He'll never do that again. He never fighting do that again. He ain't ever fighting in Saudi again either. He is never going to play second fiddle to UFC on Mexican Independence Day. It's not going to happen. And he ain't ever going to fight Benavidez.
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Starting point is 01:44:51 Thank you very much. Every Sunday night we put out the call to you, the fan to let your voice be heard. Ask us questions, but you better bring it in its at morning combat on Instagram and X on every Sunday night. This one's called DMs from the who? Hey, they brought it back. You know what? It's the second one.
Starting point is 01:45:11 It's the that post not clarity one. Like the I can't believe we fought for that to go away and then fought for it to came back. We didn't fight for it to come back. The fans fought us. That's true. The to have a bring it back. So let's hear from the fans.
Starting point is 01:45:23 First question. What do you got for us from Connor underscore? Maley would anyone really care if Amanda Nunes and Kayla Harrison just fought at 145 instead of 35? Let's just see the fight. Paperview main event with Valentina versus Wey Lee in a co-main super fight and have four of the legitimate ten best females of all time go at it.
Starting point is 01:45:42 I don't think they'll ever do a gimmick like an all-female card, but that's a pretty badass main co-main if they ever wanted to. Yeah, we kind of discussed this earlier. They could do it at 45, and I don't mind that idea as well. Again, they did in 2015, they did an all-heavyweight card. Yes. They could do one, but I just don't think that they would. All right. All right. Interesting. I think you should do this at a different weight class. We established that. Let's go to the second question here from at Elvis F Elvis flexly if Mario Bautista No, this is a good question. If he never taken the Josie Alda fight and got booed would he be receiving Significantly more fanfare. No right now. He'd be receiving a lot less hate, but he would not I mean that elevated his profile
Starting point is 01:46:20 But he would need another name to elevate his profile. So no, no, I agree with that. Next in line is a fellow by the name of at tactical underscore athlete underscore motivation. Are you as pumped as CGI does, that's Craig Jones Invitational. CGI. CGI? What did I say? CGI, like computer graphics.
Starting point is 01:46:50 Sorry about that. Luke, do you think this will be the new standard for no-gi grappling? So UFC announced this new promotion. UFC BJJ, yes. With Claudia Godela as what, the face of it? No, sort of. She's been the matchmaker and essentially the person running it. And that's been true for a while.
Starting point is 01:47:06 It used to be called Fight Pass Invitational. Can you put that back up, please? And now it's called UFC BJJ. So the question is, are you as pumped as this person is? Well, I mean, any other promoter getting into the pro grappling space I think is fine. I'm a little bit concerned about one promoter trying to be the dominant brand in WW in pro wrestling, in MMA, in boxing, and now also sports. You just slap fighting.
Starting point is 01:47:31 Well, which is very regal. Um, I'm a little bit concerned about that, but like on its face, like do they have a right to enter the space? Like anybody else does? Sure. Could they be unique contributors? Sure. But again, the exclusive contracts, it's, it's not show and win.
Starting point is 01:47:44 It's show and sub. And, you know, they didn't take the people like, the exclusive contracts, it's not show and win. It's show and sub. And you know, they didn't take the people like, Oh, well, Craig Jones just took it from karate combat. No, he licensed it from karate combat for the pit. And then more to the point, they didn't do that. They just made it like the Yama pit fighting thing where it's like a bowl. So there was like, Craig Jones put out the famous vanilla ice thing when they asked him, did you sample the book, David Bowie and a Freddie Mercury song? And he was like, he did the whole ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. It's like, it's a little bit different.
Starting point is 01:48:12 Like this sort of like, you know, nonsensical response to the whole thing. I don't know. Remember the UFC has the octagon shape trademarked for MMA. It seems like a little bit of, I'm not going to, I mean, I don't know what they're, what the legal implication is, but it's clearly a derivative idea from CJI. So what was Mikey Musometti promoting? This, the launch of the Ultimate Fighter? He's one of the coaches on their version of the Ultimate Fighter. And it's gonna air where? YouTube. I mean I'm not into grappling,
Starting point is 01:48:41 although I think Craig Jones has a chance to make people like me care. What's the pay difference between what UFC's offering and what Craig Jones does? I'm not into grappling although. I think Craig Jones has a chance to make they got some like me care What's the pay difference between what UFC's offering and what Craig Jones says I'm not sure what Craig? Well, it's I'm not sure I'm not sure because I don't know how if you lose early in CJI Do you get paid anything? I don't know cuz remember it's a bit of a winner-take-all turn You get gimmicks like we had the time of high rollers just like oh you lost but here just get just just Billowing weed smoke into your face. We got to get moving, bro. Well, I mean, yeah. Yeah. OK. What else you got in? This is from Flannels and Jits.
Starting point is 01:49:11 We always hear from this guy with Mark Kerr, the smashing machine being inducted to the UFC Hall of Fame and a feature film about his life on the way. Interesting timing there, TKO. How would you define his legacy in combat sports? Do you have a favorite moment or performance from his career that stands out to you? Luke, there's been, I don't want to say controversy, because Mark Kerr, a two-time UFC heavyweight tournament champion and, you know, star of the Smashing Machine, great doc and all that, and had a great run through Pride for a short season at his most roided.
Starting point is 01:49:40 He was very successful in an earlier era, but he fought in UFC on two nights of his career Yeah, we didn't try to dig on for no, but but like is this a shameless TKO Let's put him in the Hall of Fame to help promote the movie because Dwayne Johnson was definitely an early pioneer He was definitely an early force in MMA. It's hard to give a legacy because it's a fun character I liked him like he was like yeah, and yeah I mean he competed at a time where just having a name and being He was a fun character. I liked him. Like, he was like, grit and... Yeah, I mean, he competed at a time where just having a name and being kind of a known figure
Starting point is 01:50:09 in the sport was a relevant thing. But, you know, it's hard, like, oh, well, who's the best heavyweight? Well, he's not even in conversation of something like that. You're asking for a favorite moment. This is true. I one time was watching... I used to buy Pride DVDs back in the day, and he fought a guy.
Starting point is 01:50:22 I don't have his record up in front of me. I believe his name is Mikhail, likeloine he was like a early early early Russian you know pioneer in MMA not very good if you watch real slowly Mark Hur hits him with a can opener that's where you put your hands from gardening and you put their chin to their chest that it's supposed to open the guard and what you'll notice is he does it really hard he gets the tap from the from this and the camera pans away and then it comes back. If you slow it down, you can clearly see something sticking out the back of the neck of the opponent
Starting point is 01:50:53 from this can opener protruding through the back of the neck. He gets the tap right after and you can see him holding his neck. So like I've never seen a can opener more brutal in my life than that one. He was insanely strong and aggressive. The fuck was the name of that guy? And it's weird, I saw just as many people being like, good that they're finally course correcting and getting him in, as I've seen people be like,
Starting point is 01:51:11 he's only in because of the movie, Luke. It does feel, I mean, it's, you're honoring, what's the category they put him in? Pioneer? Ummm... Pioneer, yes. Not that any of that really matters, but like, yeah, he is a pioneer in that regard. But, it is interesting timing, okay
Starting point is 01:51:27 It is listen. Oh Igor Borisov. I believe yes, sorry I had the name wrong Igor Borisov can opener This is a pride 10 return of the Warriors you ever see the nastiest can openers. I've ever seen you ever see his lost to King Mo He was real after I was watching I tweeted that one live I remember and King Mo actually kind of made fun of him when they were putting the like the microphone in his face Yeah shots King Mo was great. He was like they were like walk us through the highlights He's like well, this is me stealing on him. This is me stealing on him again on the show On what show this show we should get King Mo on the show. He likes us. I like King great mind Yeah, um, I just do a pod with him loved it. By the way, I know you've been checking me out Luke in this brand
Starting point is 01:52:02 New shirt. I know it. Oh, sorry. We got one more We gotta we gotta move through we're not gonna be late. We're gonna be fine All right lower case at lowercase 3 out of the rest of the Bannon way division top 10 How many is O'Malley clearly better than and if you were to move up to feather how many top top 10 guys? Do you think he's comfortably better than now? I mean, I think he's probably better than at least half the top 10 at 135. But it's a killer division and maybe a matchup dependent. Will he recapture the?
Starting point is 01:52:34 Confidence momentum magic he had at that peak of his career going from yonder sterling. I don't know. But is he still better than the back end of the top 10? Yes, he can win in both divisions potentially? Yes. Yes. I think he'll be fine at Featherweight.
Starting point is 01:52:48 I think he'd be fine at Featherweight too. Yeah. I think, I mean again, I do think he has to bulk up though, like really bulk up if he goes to 45. Okay. Really add some muscle. Alright. But he can do it. Alright, back to you admiring me in this, in this fit, Luke.
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Starting point is 01:53:57 Hooah, indeed. We drink to that. Yeah, let's go. 316 in Newark baby. Luke is there anything better than Marab and Kayla celebrating? Bannon white title wins together. one is typically better. Yeah. One, two, three, Chell! Chell! Yeah, shout out to Georgia too. Georgia MMA on fuzzy, right? They produce hammers, do they not? She loves the gloves, must be loving this. She is great and Georgia MMA,
Starting point is 01:54:37 they produce real limbs. Well Luke, speaking of Kayla, who you got against her and Mandy in this upcoming super fight, Luke? Okay, this is, you know, this, not the nicest thing I've ever seen. The internet provided that. I'm sorry. Okay, back to Marab. Mike Bone put this video out on the bus back to the hotel in Newark. They stopped it on the corner. There were Georgian fans celebrating and Marab came out to give love. Again, great game. Dangerous to spend this much time outside Newark without a bulletproof vest Yes bulletproof car did he just catch the hive right? No, let's shout out to these great fans Look we came out to support him
Starting point is 01:55:11 Also, which outfit would you least rather? Wear the one marab has or the one Mike Tyson has Mike Tyson I rather have more obs more obs has got like real cultural values So you would do the show in the left over the right outfit. I would. If forced. Yeah. Where's my t-shirt that I'm supposed to wear by the way?
Starting point is 01:55:29 We're losing that. So it's a funny thing you mentioned that there's I bought them in one order. One is arriving today and I don't even know when the other one is arriving. But don't you worry. You're going to get a choice motherfucker. You're going to get a choice after this third song or what? Wait, we got to pay off our debts here. Okay, finally from 316. Here's that Viking guy Andreas Gustafson
Starting point is 01:55:53 I saw on social media before this fight. You said you were going to go quote-unquote full retard Do you feel you were successful in your debut? Yeah sport? Thank you. You're welcome, you're welcome. Yeah. I'm always gonna bring full return. Okay, here we go. Here we go, very progressive stuff from the UFC. This is such an enlightened sport.
Starting point is 01:56:13 Let's go to this pick. The fans were loving A. Braun here in the pregame preview set. Doesn't he look like Building 7 compared to us? Which tower are you? The second one, obviously. Look, okay, I had much more staying power. You folded very quickly. I folded quickly, yes. Alright, before we get cancelled, it's
Starting point is 01:56:30 time to get in that ass, Luke. Here's the quote of the week. Here's Jay Williams. Lou Dort is going to be in his ass. He's going to be in him. He's going to be dead. No titty on that one. Speaking of in that ass. All the baby oil. Check out this British halal cook on his smoke break. Watch the hand placement here. That's in that ass. All the baby oil. Check out this British halal cook on his smoke break. Watch the hand placement here. That's his left hand. Yeah. Oh boy. Get up in that. Okay. Get up in that you absolute creep. But maybe, maybe he'll wash hands after the sig, right? Before he serves again. But what if you're like, yo bro, what up? Give me, give me some pounds. Yeah, very halal. Um, in fact, here comes another person. Okay, let's- that's the same hand, Luke!
Starting point is 01:57:06 Oh, wow. Wow. Oh, gosh. Uh, one more time in that ass. But this is, uh, car cone related. Okay, that's a bullseye, Luke. That is a bullseye right in the ring. Say that again? Right in the ring? Yes. Show it again? Watch
Starting point is 01:57:22 the bottom cone. I was watching the fucking- I was watching the car crash. Oh, that's just awesome. All right. Let's go to the major league baseball field. Luke, you ever, you ever sneak a sip off your dad's beer when you were little? Tried. Of course.
Starting point is 01:57:35 Watch this kid. He thinks no one's watching, but all of America's watching. Oh hell yeah. Little sip, little sip of that Natty Lake. Yeah. Something that'll cost you $23. And then he goes back to it again a second time. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:49 Yeah, that kid is class president as far as I'm concerned. Alright, alright. Luke, nobody loves Mexican culture more than me. Let's watch this beautiful music celebration. Oh, I just told him he didn't like the music. You know, I don't know if we need to watch mass death on this show. Look, you know, I love when combat sports stars are in the wild. Here's Habib. Not only did he blow off Kate Scott's handshake for cultural reasons, look at him.
Starting point is 01:58:21 Look at his work with the touch with the ball. You know what I gotta say? Got a little smoothness to him. Yeah! Shout out to Habib right there. Uh, Luke, uh, here's Choweewee's catching up with Polly Ann Vienna. Excuse me, what exercise do you recommend for bikes? One moment, I gotcha. Okay, so first you place your elbow, then you go like this. Right back to the kitchen, Luke. There we go. That's a progressive MMA for you, but shout out to two wee wees. Wow.
Starting point is 01:58:51 There's an audience for, I mean, people get mad. People get mad when you say that the reputation that MMA has now is it's a sport for dumb men, but it seems toxic masculine. It seems, it seems like that reputation is very well deserved. Mike Vick was in Norfolk as we mentioned watch this He throws to bud Crawford here What like they can throw ball dude Mike Yeah, I was That was a pass interference. He still got it. Yeah, I was going to say, defensive pass interference there.
Starting point is 01:59:28 Look, we got another fighter in the wild. Here is Armando Reisendiz. You know I love these homecomings. Back in the airport in Mexico after defeating Caleb Plant. One time if they could do this for us. Oh, they did it in London like this for us. They did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had a moment in time. Not the airport, but we got the role. No. It doesn't get the fuck out of you. Well, dude, right? He's kind of like, you know what? He earned it.
Starting point is 01:59:50 He did. He can't say he didn't earn it. He earned it. Did one more fighter in the wild. This is Joe Pfeiffer, Luke, who's very sensitive. Joe, one of the biggest comebacks in sports is your hairline. Do a lot of fighters ask you about it because it turned out really well. I don't know if that's an insult or not. No, no, it was a compliment. Here we go.
Starting point is 02:00:09 I'm going to remember your motherfucking face now. All right. I mean, this is one of the perfect times to be like, lighten up, Francis. Motherfucker, this is SAC Town. I thought this was Sacramento, California. I didn't know this was a bitch fucking state Look she's back the weird cat lady only this time she's up in the gutter with Saul from Louisville. I don't use the word whore lightly.
Starting point is 02:00:46 I mean everything is cake Luke, everything. I had someone ask me in my chat it's like why don't you like this lady I'm like look at this freak. The faces she makes. Oh yeah just eat the knife, eat the knife. Dude this is what your bad dreams look like. Oh she would stab you and then eat you slice by slice. Yeah I mean this is like who wants a fever dream in real life?
Starting point is 02:01:07 I mean it kind of turns me on, look, to be fair, but um, hey, here's your uh, here's your uh, your flag of the week. Certified Torto Pounder. Yeah, no shame on that guy, alright? I'm down with that, I'm down with that. Hey, how about a little elder abuse, alright? You gotta watch these revolving doors sometimes, Luke, they're wild, all right? They can throw your, yeah, they can, okay, lady, you need to look both ways, please, please. Yeah, just walk out there.
Starting point is 02:01:32 Yeah, yeah. Oh, boy, okay, that's a, that was too easy. That's the kind of lady that asked me to help her with her bag, and then the bag will be 10,000 pounds, and it's like, what was your plan to get this from point A to point B, other than by asking me to
Starting point is 02:01:46 Sherpa your shit for you? I don't know how you do that. Look, you know, amateur MMA stud Christian DeGiro, my hero, MK super fan, the coolest guy in the world. Dude, he had a Muay Thai fight over the weekend. He's with the blue gloves on the right. Weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee, weee Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit!
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Starting point is 02:02:18 Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! on the left, I believe is my old training partner, Sunni. Are you serious? Yes. I trained with Sunni for many, many years. Shouts to Sunni for that.
Starting point is 02:02:26 I can't, I don't have my glasses, so I could be just being racist. I can't quite tell, but I believe that's a dude. I know the guy on the left. I know him super, super, super well. All right. Shout out to Christian DeGiro. We got to get him on this show and talk real MMA with that fella. That's amazing.
Starting point is 02:02:39 If Christian DeGiro trains with my old training partner, that's like, that makes us. Kevin Bacon set seven degrees Yeah, like we guys now look you ever hear about Rata At that time ah Oh Where's the drive-by shooter when you need a look check out the most chill man on earth even through a car accident Yo, yo He's like that happens weekly
Starting point is 02:03:21 Dude they spun that motherfucker 360 like a top that was great look Do you know this new hack everybody's doing on the airplane to get extra snacks? No, excuse me. Can I have one extra snack? My apologies. It's one per person. She doesn't know I know this heck I have a bomb Feels like you got to threaten him to get extra things. Yes. Yes. Look were you a big fan of corn in the 90s? Like the band? Yeah! I feel like I'm okay. I'm gonna land the corn. You're gonna wash your hands. You're gonna wash your hands?
Starting point is 02:03:48 That was so good! Okay, that one got me. That was a good one. That was a good one. Alright, uh, Luke, check out this weird guy, Luke Luke with the double Mentos That art For a certain kind of audience are we are a skater die more like skater glory Luke check this out Oh That would own gold at the X Games back in the old days yeah Yeah, you know this fella mr. Methane that we play on this show sometimes big Star Wars guy. Maybe. Here we go. Mr. Methane? Oh.
Starting point is 02:04:45 Oh. Oh, shoot. Oh, no. I Think some of I think some of y'all need friend. That's the shit of the week. Luke, I hope you some of y'all need friends. I mean, come on. That's like a B plus this week. That's a B. That's a B.
Starting point is 02:05:30 The corn one got me. Okay. Okay. That was really good. That's all the time we got. We have trains to catch not named Osborne though. Tip your vendors on the way out. Take care of yourselves.
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Starting point is 02:06:07 So thank you very much. Follow the show, like, subscribe and all that good stuff. We will be back this Friday, 11 a.m. Eastern. What do we have this weekend? Buckley vs. Yeah, is there boxing this week? I think it's kind of slow. Am I forgetting something?
Starting point is 02:06:20 Boxing isn't Richardson Hitchens against George Cambos. For the this weekend. Yeah. Is it in Australia? I think PFL's back too. We got Thad Gene and Jason Jack. By the way, that fight, Jason Jackson, Thad Gene, sick fight. Sick fight. No, the Hitchens fight is at the MSG Theater, the site of Cambos versus Teo. And Cambos has told me if he wins the title from Hitchens, he's going to try to rematch Teo. Alright, very good. Alright, that's all we got.
Starting point is 02:06:46 I'm BC, that's LT. Shout out to Ken and Nadir in the back. Yeah, my guy Ken's the best, right? Nadir was back there laughing his ass off at the farting Star Wars anus guy. Yeah, he's a great guy. He gets it, he gets it. We're more in combat. We're so happy to have you.
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