MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC 322 Pregame Preview: Della Maddalena vs. Makhachev Presented By Cuervo® | Morning Kombat

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

We're back for another Pregame Preview, with Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas and special guest Oscar Willis, live in the studio on a Thursday edition of Morning Kombat. The guys dive into the main event f...eaturing Jack Della Maddalena and Islam Makhachev with the Welterweight Championship on the line. The co-main event will put the UFC Women's Flyweight Championship on the line with Valentina Shevchenko defending her title against Zhang Weili. And that's just the beginning, with more matchups to get through like Sean Brady vs. Michael Morales, Leon Edwards vs. Carlos Prates and Beneil Dariush vs. Benoit Saint Denis.  This edition of Pregame Preview is sponsored by Cuervo.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:41 Oh, yeah, this is a big one, folks. A real big one right here. Yeah. November 13th, it's a Thursday, 2025. Two more sleeps, John Enig, until UFC 322 on Saturday from the world's most famous arena. So you know, we had to give you the morning combat. Pre-game preview treatment.
Starting point is 00:01:00 Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas, and this week's special guest back on the program, finally making his return from the Mack life from full-time degeneracy fame. It's Oscar Wild,
Starting point is 00:01:11 Oscar Willis. I mean, I'm not taking a break from the degeneracy. I'm just, you know, here to play too perfectly. Why is this just happening now? This guy could have taken over this franchise. Did you know he's HIV positive?
Starting point is 00:01:22 It's true. It's true. And I like to share. Sorry, later on, you and I. Oh, wow. Wow. It's going to be really fun today, folks. And this is a very, very, very good card coming up on Saturday. Two title fights, two different fighters looking to add to their history by becoming two division champions. Loaded card, Walter Waite Division on full display. Tracy Cortez, era is still upon us. I mean, what a time to be alive. Are you wearing pantalones? That's too far. But I do want to set the stage with a couple things. First, you can like the show. You can subscribe to what we're doing here on morning combat. Tell your friends, spread it like an STD freshman year. here folks, all right? There it is. Also, you can subscribe to our extended YouTube channels.
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Starting point is 00:02:51 I try and cover them as much as I can. That's how he knows about the AIDS. You sicken me. One lucky person could jump on that train, Osborne. There we go with that one right there. Also, I'd like a little quick history moment here if you could put the camera on me, okay, guys. Now's a good time to remember where tequila's story truly began, all right?
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Starting point is 00:03:36 Please drink responsibly. Final disclaimer here, Oscar. I mean, let's be honest, Luke, he would have been drinking irresponsibly anyway. So just it's perfect timing. Because he's drinking with us here, he can't be smoking meth in the hotel bathroom. That's a little too far unless Craig Jones is in New York. Yeah, and that's who I used to get my... Craig is here.
Starting point is 00:03:57 He is here. I mean, seeing him's not too far. Actually, I would talk to him a little bit this week. We have one rule here that you must deliver analysis that wouldn't be protective of anyone in particular, except for our sponsors, of course. It would be what they call real talk. Yes. Like men do. For sure.
Starting point is 00:04:14 Well, I'm saying in Harlem with the real guys, you know. He actually is. Harlem is becoming insanely gentrified. I mean, let's be real about it. Especially if I'm going, man, for sure. Most Caucasian person's a fucking block. Are you on 125th? I haven't got a clue.
Starting point is 00:04:28 I don't know this city. Okay. All right. There you go. We always christen the broadcast here for pregame preview as we get ready to unwrap a great one here. Which one? Oh, Jesus.
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Starting point is 00:04:54 So here we go. Your hands are literally shaking, right? No, that's just the earth around me. All right? In fact, I feel the earth move under my feet. Because of the weight? No. Your motherfucking hand is shaking.
Starting point is 00:05:05 Oh, yeah, I know. Well, that's because I'm an alcoholic. Hold on. All right. Luke, are you mixing that with syrup? What do you got over there? Serap. Or sipping on some scissorpe.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Hang on. Before we take this first shot, folks, okay, before we take that first shot, let me tell you this. This UFC 322 pregame preview is brought to you by Cuervo. Now is a good time to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila. Luke, we always salute to the divorced women watching the show, also to all Colombians out there. Do you have anyone, Oscar, you'd like to throw this shot at? Shots to Craig? Craig, for sure, and all of Columbia's exports.
Starting point is 00:05:50 And among the many hookers in your life, Dan. Yes. Dan, thank you. He's the main one. Luke, will you do the justice? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Arriba, abajo, al-centro, by d'Andro. As a guy's a corporation.
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Starting point is 00:06:16 All right. This is how we start it. This is how we start it. This is how we start. This is how we started. UFC 322, it ain't 205, it ain't 217. But for the modern day standards, for 2025 matchmaking, it's pretty damn awesome. And we always start this part with a letter grade of quality to cards, top to bottom.
Starting point is 00:06:37 What are you giving it? Well, as Dana White says, you can't judge the card until it's actually paid. Yeah, no, we can't even give a grade, you know. I think it's good. Like you said, in this year of MMA, this is about as good as it gets. I think it's the best card of the year. I'm going to give it a B. Oh, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Are you out of your fucking mind? Get out of it. This is at least an A, right? In this? Eh, go on then. I'll give it an A. Yeah, it's an A. All right.
Starting point is 00:06:57 I mean, it's an A. I mean, would you accept A Cubs on a blind A? Here's the two things. I have B Cups. Okay, here's the two things that this card is missing. Number one, it's missing a superstar. That's what I was thinking of. It definitely doesn't have that.
Starting point is 00:07:10 And number two, it doesn't really have rivalry. Right, no, but there's buzz off of the history at stake, but there's no buzz off of the mono and the and the fights themselves are massive. massively consequential. Like, even the non-title ones, like Brady Morales is an important fight. Leo, and if he loses this one, he's in deep shit against proxious. Like, there's big stakes, but nobody is like
Starting point is 00:07:29 at each, there wasn't, like, how would you describe the rivalry between Connor and Eddie? It wasn't like they had a long standing rivalry. But it was hot. But he was on a march, and that was the final boss, essentially, of that march, so it carried, not just stakes, but, you know, he was in his face about it,
Starting point is 00:07:45 too. I feel also as well, Connor, because of the way he used to speak, right, he added stakes. to his own fights. Because Islam's kind of understated and does say a lot. If Islam loses, I don't think it really affects his legacy necessarily. But if Connor had lost, moving up to lightweight, after all the shitty talked, it would be like a massive blow to what he had created. So I think, to your point, I think the fights themselves are incredibly competitive, exciting, but the narrative around them isn't quite what's there for me. It's been a little quiet this week, don't you feel like?
Starting point is 00:08:13 Yes, but I do think it'll heat up as we get closer. I do think... I have one thing I wanted to add to that. I looked up this week what the UFC 205 media schedule was, and it wasn't much different, except on that Wednesday, there were two things that were different. That Wednesday morning... Wasn't sponsored by V-Chane? It wasn't sponsored by V-Chane. That Wednesday morning, on the floor of the basketball court,
Starting point is 00:08:35 they had Connor and Eddie and everyone else work out with the fans there in attendance, and then in the afternoon, that's when they did the Ultimate Media Day. So Habib was there. I remember he looked like shit when he was cutting weight. I remember James Vic was on that court. part if I not remember or maybe he was 217 I can't remember but in any case it was a bigger day Wednesday so kind of the the the story of it got going a little bit earlier plus you know they put
Starting point is 00:08:58 out that triumphant video did you guys see it recirculated this week MMA on point shared it about like kind of taking Madison Square Garden in this moment in history it had a big the UFC itself had a narrative heading into that week whereas this week that is also missing But I feel like it's better than some of the recent MSG cards for like, oh, shit, I do have to see this feeling, right? Quality of fights, it's very, very high today. The sports deepest division has three fights in the main card alone, including the main event title, which has the history around it, love it. And maybe in the co-main event, which is so historically unique and strong, you have two of the classiest fighter in history as well. So it's going to be more about the craft than the noise and the nonsense there.
Starting point is 00:09:43 but as we close in and prepare to break down this main event, a reminder that today's episode is presented by Draft Kings. The Crown is yours. Let's head directly into the stakes involved here. Before we do that, Long Island, Luke, I do want to represent the fourth member of our broadcast teams today, the bong enthusiast, the producer, the director, the host of the main card minutes prop quiz,
Starting point is 00:10:09 which is on fire, Oscar, right now, right? Did you do prop quiz yet? I did it twice. I lost both times. Yeah, I did it twice. I lost both times. Yeah, I'm the season one champion, guys. I don't know if you ever heard of me, right? Your autism is stronger than the rest of us. Yeah, $100 richer.
Starting point is 00:10:22 I did the first episode of it where we had more categories in MMA, random motherfucking table. And then it was like, ah, who was the curtain joker opener for UFC Apex 73 and a half? And it's like, what the fuck knows this shit? Can I also point out, for 500 points, he had who main evented UFC 189? I have no fucking... What are you fucking do? He's Connor and fucking, uh, Chandemannis, yes.
Starting point is 00:10:45 He's fucking justified that that was a good question. But I don't follow the fucking numbers anymore. I can't match. I can't match. It's the biggest event they ever had. 189? No. Habib, Habib and Connor was bigger than that.
Starting point is 00:10:56 Yes, but numbers. 223. I don't like to remember it. 223. 223 was bigger than that. I was there for that one. That was Brooklyn. 223?
Starting point is 00:11:04 Which one was Connor and Habib? 229. Yeah. All right. You really don't know the fucking numbers. I don't know the fucking numbers. I don't know the fucking numbers at all. Um,
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Starting point is 00:11:27 Okay, okay. In honor of the Combat Buddies for this month, he made Oscar as a combat buddy. And it is the limited fresh powder edition. You can see some subtleties there around the mustache. Okay, that... He's actually done me a service with the beard, let's be honest. I was going to say the bulge.
Starting point is 00:11:42 The genital region is, it's announcing something that it's not, that it's lying about us. It's amazing. You don't have a syringe in your arm and or handcuffs on. No, but I do have powder around my nose, I noticed. Now, there's no way they can buy that on morning combat. No, so this isn't for sale, but Oscar did sign one of the posters. So one lucky fan will get Luke's junk signed by. That's just a great moment in morning combat history right there. All right, let's get into this main event here, guys.
Starting point is 00:12:08 So much history at stake as Islam Mahachev looks to become the 11th or the 12th should Wei Li Zhang do it in the fight before him. Two division champion in UFC history and one firm step closer to immortality and really being considered among the true greats of this game if he also equals Anderson-Silve's UFC record of 16 consecutive victories.
Starting point is 00:12:27 It won't be easy, of course, because making his first title defense at 170 is the boxing skill set and the crooked nose of one Jack Della Madelena. Guys, I love this fight. I do love to try to attach some you know, podcaster, journalistic extras to this to play up the hype of it. I'm going to ask you straight up, Luke, how close or is this the fight that Islam is a more
Starting point is 00:12:52 accomplished and has a fighter and has a better legacy than his great teammate, Habib and Raghababana. Yeah, I think if he will, I mean, the problem is, again, I've made this point a couple of times, Habib is distinct in a couple of ways. One, he never lost, obviously. And then two, this is the big one that folks forget, either symbolically or even just more realistically, but a little bit of both. He was the vanguard of all the Russians taking over.
Starting point is 00:13:15 He was the tip of that spear, and, you know, the movement that he was a part of and led changed the sport. I mean, the guys who came in from his team and then after that, they all just ran the table, not all of them being sombo, but a lot of them being, you know, sort of aligned with the best practices that Habib and his team had developed. Islam can never be that. He will always live in that shadow. But I'm sorry, if you go up to 70, and I don't know if he'll flatten De La Medalana,
Starting point is 00:13:43 but let's say for the sake of argument that he does, this is a level of accomplishment that Habib simply did not reach. And you have to respect what it means to go up and wait. And again, I want to remind something. How old is De La Madalana? 29, 38. 28. Islam is 34.
Starting point is 00:13:57 I mean, he's not exactly a spring chick. He's not over the hill by any stretch, but he's not young. And now he's moving up and wait in this advanced age. Like, that is absolutely to me, what win does Habib have that's better than that single win. The Connor win is bigger, but in terms of what it means to do that, he doesn't have a win like that. Well, if you look at the stats, Habib retired five years ago at age 32 at 29 and 0, Mahachev, 27 and 1, 15 fight win streak since the first round knockout loss to Adriano Martins in 2015. I mean, 27 and 1 overall, and he can equal Silva's record. He can
Starting point is 00:14:30 become a two division champion, and he already owns the lightweight record of title defenses with four. It took a while for him to get big names, Oscar, but once he got him, he had a Habib-like run, maybe even longer, you know, the run that Habib had to close where he submitted McGregor,
Starting point is 00:14:45 Porier, and Gaichi in succession there. Do you think this win puts him past? I think going back to Luke's point, obviously, Khab was the first one, right? And you're always going to struggle to overtake the first one. But I always, one of the sort of shatters you can put on Khabi's career
Starting point is 00:15:00 is he never wanted, he never even flirted with going up in weight. And in fact, actually, when they talked about the George St. Pierre thing, when they talked about the George St. Pierre thing, he wanted George to come down to 55. Like, Kibb did not want to challenge himself at a higher weight class. Whatever, you were the best at lightweight, so that's fair enough. I think also one thing that fighters need in this sport is a rival, right?
Starting point is 00:15:22 Connor and Khabi had each other, and that's, we can't have like fucking 32 rivals, but I think Khabib had Connor and that sort of elevated him. If Islam could find a rival, which could be in the form of Idiotip Tuporia, or Sauru, and if you can get in the cage with him, that seemed to have that chip has sailed right let's get free dad hooker first yeah yeah but uh but i think um i think if islam could find a guy and a dance partner that made a fight big and elevated that could be the thing that finally gets him out of the shadow could be but to luke's point i think you're always going to struggle getting past the first one in terms of the anderson silver record uh being
Starting point is 00:15:55 equaled i don't know why it feels maybe it's nostalgia the andersons feels cooler and more special but actually if you look at the names and stuff, you know, beating Alexander Volcanovsky is a massive achievement. Dustin Poeh, massive achievement. And if you look at Anderson's streak, maybe not comparable names on that, so. Yeah, I mean, and to pump up Mahachev more,
Starting point is 00:16:15 he's got a decision went over Sarukin, but he's got stoppage wins over the names you're talking about. Olivera, Volcanovsky, Jorge. What made Anderson different was that there was two things. One, he was the first, I mean, John Jones was doing stuff like that, too, but he was also having problems at the time. So, like, it was sort of, well, I mean, serious, So it was kind of like stop and go, stop and go, stop and go.
Starting point is 00:16:33 But the thing is, like, Anderson was really the first guy at a superstar level, because, again, Demetrius is doing some things at a similar timeline. But, like, he was doing this incredibly long winning streak. And then also, remember, he was, like, changing the game. Yeah. Where he was one of the first guys to Stance Switch and then intercept Griffin as he moved into him. It was like Bruce Lee shit. He was doing cool shit.
Starting point is 00:16:53 I had a guy. I worked at the local radio station at the time, 106, 7, The Fan. And one of the guys who worked there had moved to the area was, like, show me MMA, and it was the Anderson Silva Vitor Belfour fight, which if you don't recall, the whole card was not necessarily that great. And then Silva kicks him in the face, which at that point no one had ever done. It felt like Silva was changing the way you could
Starting point is 00:17:13 understand what MMA even was versus compiling very solid, I mean, even more solid, really great wins. They're hard to compare as equal things. Also, Islam's a more complete fighter than a beat. So I just think this... Even Javier, Mendez will tell you that. Right. And I interviewed Islam yesterday at media data one-on-one with him. And obviously, as you'd expect, he's humble. He not only does not want to entertain any thoughts
Starting point is 00:17:38 of being compared to Bib or who's better. He's like, that's not even in our DNA. We're brothers. We help each other. That's all we've ever done. But not only is that four-pack, if you put the brothers, Usman and Umar together, one of the most impressive sort of families, if we consider Mahachev part of this family, we can't, I don't think he can go any further without, you know, saying what's at stake here for Mahach and what he is close to accomplishing. But will he he get there depends upon Jack Della Madelena. Long Island, Luke, could you give us to the Draft King's odds at this
Starting point is 00:18:05 moment for the main event? I think it was minus 270 Islam plus 230 JDM. Okay. What is your what is your Aussie down under bag tickle in terms of thinking JDM's gonna die? He's the son of an Australian. Is that right? Yeah, his dad's Australia. I recognize generosity. I hate to
Starting point is 00:18:21 admit it, but I've been knocking JDS on like every chance I got this week. Not knocking him just I feel like people are sleeping on Islam. getting he's probably number one pound for pound in the world i feel like this is okay here's what's interesting i don't mean to cut you off long on look you're still part of this you were at media day yesterday oh that's right with the peasants he was uh both yeah with oscar well yeah look tell me if you can corroborate this both carlos protest and sean brady told me with a matter
Starting point is 00:18:48 of fact tone that jdm beats islam on set i think actually if you look at the way the narrative of this fight is a lot of fans are peaking Islam but it seems like most of the fighters by leading Jack, whether that's because they put a lot of stake in the weight difference or something like that, or if they just recognize Jack is a very talented guy, and it could be, we don't know, could be the next stage of evolution in MMA, you know. Well, let's give him his props. He came to the title under not normal conditions, meaning that he was hurt. He was laid off for a while, but when Shavok got injured, he slipped in there, got the chance against Bilal. Remember, he was supposed to fight Leon on that card. Yes.
Starting point is 00:19:21 And they all switched it up last minute. And then when given the shot, he stuffs all the takedowns in the first three rounds against Bilal only gives up three. out of five takedowns in the final two rounds, outboxes him, wins it legitimately. But what Sean Brady said specifically, and Luke, you follow the technique close, not just of the tatted ass cheeks, but of the ground game.
Starting point is 00:19:40 Sean said he had a camp with Jack, and the biggest thing was his awkwardness on the feet mixed with the fact that he gets up consistently when you take him down. You got Craig Jones in the corner. You got Volcanovsky lending his experience to the coaching staff as well. Is the media,
Starting point is 00:19:55 are the fans, are the odds makers, overlooking what really Jack has the opportunity. I mean, I don't, it's, this is a, I gotta be honest, this is a really tough one for me too. I'm with him, like, I feel like people are just completely disrespecting Islam, but then when you really do the, wait, I don't think they are.
Starting point is 00:20:13 I think every media, sorry, sorry, the fighters, the fighters. People who don't believe in Islam seem like, yeah, it's just not enough recognition of all the things he can do and the ways in which he can, like, just dig out opportunities to win. Yes. But then when you go and you just start inventorying all the things Jack's good at, especially, dude, he leveled up big in that Belaw-Mohamed fight. Because one of the things that you pointed out was before he'd get taken down,
Starting point is 00:20:37 he could scramble his way back up. It'd take him a minute, but he could do it. But in the Balaw fight, what the added wrinkle was he was stopping the takedown at the point of entry. Right. And so, yes, later on he had to get up. So he could do both things. Or he'd get pressed against the fence, Craig Jones Special. He'd try and judo tip, trip on with Hirai Goshis or whatever just to create enough space
Starting point is 00:20:55 and then he could underhook and then create his way. So, like, he was adding extra layers of defense in ways that he didn't have before, and he was already formidable. And he's physical, and he's tough as nails. And he's physical, he's tough as nails. He's not super beat up in his career either. Great gas tank as well, by the way.
Starting point is 00:21:13 Like, keep going. And he never accepts position. That's the thing I noticed most into Balafi. It's like, when the takedowns came, he would immediately start working to try and get up and separate. I think a lot of times when the wrestlers have success, It's because the other guy is concerned about their cardio, accepts position, maybe goes into full guard and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:21:28 Jack does not do that. He reminds me of Jose Aldo where it's like fucking go to work right away. He's breaking the hands immediately. Straight away. Yeah. And also the part too is he gets up in different ways. He doesn't just underhook, post on a hand, sit the butt. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:21:41 Like he's got a variety of tools to wrestle back up. I mean, but the thing is it's fucking Islam Makachiev. What's crazy is Islam, if you roll to turtle, it's over for you. It's over. He's taking your back or you're going to sleep with a dars or a short arm darts.
Starting point is 00:21:56 And he can knock out with kicks. He can outbox you. He can do a lot of things. Fucking Islam is good. Yeah. Islam's good. But I think, as you said earlier, from Sean Brady,
Starting point is 00:22:06 Jack's also very good, but awkward. I went back and watched some of the clips from the Bilal fight earlier. He's throwing like, if you showed him to a boxing fan and said, this is the best boxer in MMA, they would go, his boxing is shit because he's like very loopy and wide.
Starting point is 00:22:20 But they're awkward angles that I think catch. his guys off guard. That's what DDP does great, right? He does a lot of awkward shit like that. He's more awkward. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:29 He's, yeah. Wow. We don't use that word on the show. I realized that I was halfway through it. Thank you, sir. And when I mentioned it was a non-traditional path. We didn't get to see Jack beat a certain level of high-level contenders that we would be prerequisite. He rallied to knock out in old Gilbert Burns who would then go on a losing streak.
Starting point is 00:22:51 But he had back-to-back split decision wins before. for that, including that last minute one against Basel Hafez. Yeah, where he just, it didn't look like a million bucks. I mean, but that was like last minute notice. And that dude is just a kind of a, I mean, he's, he's not on the level per se, but he's good. And he's physical as shit. But it's a setup to say when he
Starting point is 00:23:07 was given the opportunity, it's shown through who he really is. But it's crazy that this is the deepest division with a huge bottleneck atop, which is only made worse by Shavkat's delay in layoffs due to injury. But you have the guy who, I don't want to say he didn't earn it, but had a long, you know, a quick path
Starting point is 00:23:23 to get there against the guy coming up from the other division, but this is sort of the power division of the sport, and this main event could end up being an absolute banger. Just could be physical and fun and crazy. I said, I don't, I mean, you hate to sort of jinx it,
Starting point is 00:23:39 but I don't see a way the fight's dull. You know, and the two of them, their styles, their physicality, as you pointed out, I think for however long it lasts, it'll be a very sort of high level. Everyone talks about the Volk fight with Islam as like the highest example of skilled MMA, right?
Starting point is 00:23:55 I think this one could equal that. I think Jack and his not, this could be a very high level, exciting fight with a lot of stakes. Took in the women, by the way. For sure. I know you're a big supporter. You're a big supporter.
Starting point is 00:24:05 I know. Nah. I'm an athletic supporter of the women, okay? You've got on an athletic supporter right now. All right. Staying with this. You're the one who buys all their, like, used clothing off. No, no, no, never, never.
Starting point is 00:24:17 I don't subscribe to any only fans and never have. You just steal. Yeah, yeah. Speaking back to the actual fight at stake here in this fantastic matchup, when we talk about the idea that Dustin Porey did have success striking late against Islam, does that mean Jack will have big moments of success? And is Jack's advantage in striking enough that he could actually control the fight with it? Or are we, again, overlooking Islam's timing?
Starting point is 00:24:48 He's everything. Like, he's accurate as shit. He's got great defense. I think that honestly to answer the question I don't really know I honestly believe the most important question is to what extent
Starting point is 00:25:03 can Islam get the takedown disrupt Jack's rhythm or more importantly hold him against the fence and not just to even take him down get him to a knee so then he can wrap the outside leg and then he can just start working where yes Jack's good at wrestling up but at a bare minimum he just can't get offense
Starting point is 00:25:19 going from there and it just allows him to do that. The striking component, I've said this before, I'm just going to maintain it. I just feel like as long as it's a striking bout, Islam is not shitty at striking at all. But he's not on Jack's fucking level. He's just not. And I don't think he's going to have the physical. Even if he's up,
Starting point is 00:25:35 you know, the weight class and he's more naturally suited for this, especially at age 34, you, Jack is big. I talked to Islam about adding the weight. And he said the difference is he didn't just eat a lot more and put on muscle. I mean, he's jacked. We're seeing him in these training photos. It's ridiculous. I saw him in a person, he's
Starting point is 00:25:51 jack i saw the john pork guy too from the contender series i took a picture with him he i know and i took the first question i asked islam when he sat down from my interview was where's john pork and he's like he's right there we took a picture together it was great i can show it later it's journalism it was a great moment in my life uh but islam said look 10 month layoff he said it's the longest since 2020 when he missed 18 months due to injuries and COVID travel issues he said in that 10 months he took he tried to take time off it didn't last a week he was already back in training so he's been putting on the weight incrementally he claims everybody's going to claim it before that it won't affect his speed his power whatever do you expect this not
Starting point is 00:26:28 to be a topic i believe it won't necessarily affect his speed and power but it's cardio i certainly have questions about because if you look at islam fifth round against volkinovsky clearly slowed down wolkenovsky got to work on him against dustin i felt like islam slowed down towards later rounds if islam's cardio already is that somewhat of a question not really but let's say it is for the fourth or and he's unnaturally carrying this extra weight. I could see that being a real problem against the guy like Jack who apparently doesn't slow down and in fact can turn it on later.
Starting point is 00:26:59 So that to me is where the conversation of his weight will like... Yeah, but don't you think he had a cardio issue at 55 because of the cut? Not really. I think he's just got a very high pace and high output style, you know? Like I think he's just very aggressive and I think some people, you know,
Starting point is 00:27:13 it's hard to do that for 25 minutes. Sure. All right, he's claiming that he talked about it last week that at lightweight because of the way, weight cut where we're only saying 70 to 80% of his greatness. Do you expect to see, which happens sometimes when guys switch weight classes, they just get that
Starting point is 00:27:27 surge. They get that extra level of strength, ability, maybe even gas tank. Well, the other part two is you're managing more weight. You're moving more weight around. He also looks fucking huge. Yeah, he looks huge, dude. He looks real big. I think his gas tank will be better unless Jack makes
Starting point is 00:27:43 it a point to go to the body. Which could be interesting. If you see him just kind of depositing uppercuts down there. Which he likes to do, right? She likes to do. And he'll show knees up the middle, too. He's well-coached and smart. Jack's not just some Bushwig brawler. Like, he's smart. He'll put hands here and then wait for you, and then
Starting point is 00:27:59 he'll fucking dig one. But shout out to Bushwick Brooklyn. But just... Bushwick Bill. Bushwick motherfucking bill. Okay, that's what they used to call him right there. Yeah, I put respect on Jack's name. But will we actually see a fight here? Here's the question. I asked Islam, what would Abdulman, after your late coach, say
Starting point is 00:28:15 about this matchup? He went, he goes he would tell me and it's obviously not a secret you have the wrestling advantage take him down don't risk getting hurt control him there win the fight and I'm like okay you're going to do that and he's just like brother I'm prepared for anything brother we just saw
Starting point is 00:28:33 in a big title fight Chamayev kind of do what coach Abdulmanap even though it wasn't his coach would have wanted laid on DDP didn't worry about trying to finish him beat him up a little but just kept that pressure on yeah turns out if it's life and death if you win the belt you're going to be really cautious in the fight But Jack is also not going to be easy to do that too, but can Islam do that?
Starting point is 00:28:52 Is that in play? I think the reality is if you try and pancake Jack on top, chest to chest, he's going to be much, much, much, much fucking harder to hold down. I think you have to get to the back. I honestly believe that. Or bring him down to a knee on the back. Something like that where, you know, a crab ride from the back, pulling him off of his base. but, you know, making him work from that position.
Starting point is 00:29:19 And not, by the way, if you're on the back, not going to your own back, and then bringing his way, why? Why are you smiling like that? I'm just really happy. I just love being here. It's great. What's wrong with you? Just enjoying this moment.
Starting point is 00:29:33 I just had another shout of tequila blanco. You know, it's a good time. All right. What I'm trying to make is if you look at a lot of the get-ups, some of them come from Turtle, but they were, like, reversed into those positions. Whereas Islam and Habib setting the tone tend to be very, very good from there. I think that's the key.
Starting point is 00:29:51 You have to get behind his elbows to the waist, take him down to the mat, and then begin to work an offensive sequence from there. The other thing I brought up to Islam was something that you had said on Monday, that was becoming a narrative, the idea that, hey, maybe Islam at 34 wins the title, takes one more, or gets the Teporia fight, and then retires.
Starting point is 00:30:08 He said no, directly to that. He said, in fact, not only have I had 10 months off and I've put on the weight the right way, He says, because I don't have to take these weight cuts hard anymore, I'll be able to fight more often. He said he has, there's no definitive time table. He's going to fight for as long, you know. Yeah, unless he gets stretched here. Right.
Starting point is 00:30:25 Everyone's at this age as two consecutive defeats from retiring. But that was interesting as well. He's here for a good time and a long time, ultimately. But will he get it done? Long Island, Luke, are you backing? Because if someone's from Long Island or down under, Long Island Luke's going to pick him right here. What do you got? I'm going to throw in the Australian parlay of Cody had in Jack Delam, Madelaine.
Starting point is 00:30:46 I think he just got to. But, like, truthfully, I think Islam's going to win this. And I think he's going to win it in under three rounds. Wow. Wow. Oscar Willis, put your money where your mouth is, where things have been. Oh, as a man with a deviated septim, I have to recognize Jack's skill, and I'm going to have to go for him. Do you see them asking about Jack's nose at the media day yesterday?
Starting point is 00:31:11 Like, aggressively. Poor, barn. It was the lot It wasn't nice guys Like Bond asked him about his nose Was there some great mystery? No no no No it was before the blal fight
Starting point is 00:31:18 It just went viral again And actually Bond's showing me his DMs He's getting a lot of abuse Which I enjoy very much But he asked Jackie You know if you went on a great fight here You'll get more money Can you get your nose fixed
Starting point is 00:31:29 And he said he asked Jack If he's gonna get his nose fixed And Jack was quite clearly pissed off Oh I did see that one Yeah I've got one of those noses too You know I know Sean Brady's got one of those nose You got two guys
Starting point is 00:31:42 in the same division with the whole shit. But, but Jackson is really bad. But if you ask these guys, it's the same answer, which is why the fuck would you fix it if it's just going to get shattered again? You know, people think I'm like an ex-fighter,
Starting point is 00:31:54 like an ex. Very ex. Absolutely. Not a soul on earth thinks that. When I started doing boxing broadcasting, a lot of people are like, yo, you're an ex-ameter? You remind me a bow match, actually.
Starting point is 00:32:05 So I had the equivalent of cats. Wow. Give them a bag of Cheetos. I had the equivalent of elephant, Or not elephant ear. Yeah, elephant ears, yeah. Fuck. Yeah, you're sober.
Starting point is 00:32:15 Yeah, professional athlete. I had the equivalent of that, but, you know, normally I have it my toes. Like, I feel like a man's toes should show the journey that they've walked. You know what I mean? Sure. You've never given the elephant ears to someone? It's a bit of a weird analogy. Wow.
Starting point is 00:32:30 You don't know what the elephant ears are? I was talking more. It's when you pull your pockets inside out, let your wang hang out. I was talking more about the cauliflower here, obviously. Oh, cauliflower. So that's the same thing. It's a bad amount. By the way, I showed Tuki cauliflower.
Starting point is 00:32:41 our ear. And now she's horrified about it. Yes, of course. Don't bring Uncle Sean over. By the way, Sean Brady, love the guy. He said he still listens to every single episode. Fucking Sean Brady. That's what I'm talking about. Sean Brady. Smash Lee on him in London, but that was sad.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Do you think he's pissed that I was mad after he lost a ball? Because I was mad. Not as fucking mad as me, dude. I was furious. Why? You said you would have had to got a tattoo if he won that fight. You're right. So I got away from not having a tattoo, although it would have come with morning combat cameras while we got tacos in Philly. So that's a win-win.
Starting point is 00:33:14 Hey, let me ask this real quick, because you didn't bring it up totally, which is the Craig Jones effect. So, and it's not just Craig Jones, because as I think you indicated, it's Volcanowski, too. Fought Islam twice, kind of one and a half, really, but basically fought him for about six rounds. And Craig Jones has dealt with, I think, I was talking to Craig, this is his ninth championship camp he's been in, something insane. He hates it.
Starting point is 00:33:37 He hates it. But he certainly knows Islam really, really well. To what extent in real terms you think Craig has been? Craig is obviously helpful. How helpful? So listen, obviously I've got a good relationship with Craig, so I don't want to come across two bias here. And Islam made the point, like,
Starting point is 00:33:54 you can't learn a lot from just like one or two camps, you know? But I think Craig's creativity with someone as young as Jack, you see improvements of Jack every fight, right? For sure. But drastic improvements. And I think the guy who fought Balal, is completely different than the guy we'd seen before that. And I do think in terms of his scrambles,
Starting point is 00:34:13 sorry, I just saw that. They're talking about my prostitution. Has befriended many hookers, not just dead. But in terms of like his scrambles and alluding to that awkwardness, as we did earlier, that is Craig. Craig is a creative, scrambly guy. And I think a lot of people underestimate Craig because of, you know, his degeneracy and his shithole lifestyle, that he's actually very switched on.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Like I know when he goes into these camps, he has masses of video footage broken down into slow-mo that he shows the guys he's working with and says this is what he does, these are his tendencies. I know he did that with Aspenol when he went over there as well.
Starting point is 00:34:46 He actually does break it down. He is very serious about the judici when it comes into camp. So I think, listen, is he going to just turn anyone into a winner? Not necessarily, but is he an X factor
Starting point is 00:34:56 that can help you get an edge in certain situations, I would say, say. Yeah, especially with Islam in particular. So who wins on Saturday? I'm leaning towards Jack because I certainly like the plus 230 I think is way too wide that's not a bad bet yeah but I think I'm leaning towards Jack because I just think he's you know it's the way this sport works he's the younger fresher guy and he's still improving I think
Starting point is 00:35:20 Islam's peaked is at his peak I don't think he's like getting worse or anything but I just think it's there's too many too many asterisks for Islam right now in this fight Jack is like just cruising, you know? Jack's so good that he can win and it wouldn't change what we think about Islam. It would halt Islam's future growth, you know, for as long as that loss lasted. But I'm not ready to accept,
Starting point is 00:35:44 like when I still match these guys up, and I know that there's the potential of moving up could infuse, could infuse Mahachev. I know how tough of and how Jack is. But when it goes to the ground, is there going to be a window for, Islam to submit him and get and get and bring the end to this fight that advantage that advantage is not nothing in this that's still the foundation of this matchup that's what sets the betting
Starting point is 00:36:11 odds ultimately I ain't I am I'm voting against Islam until it makes me not this version not this guy that's hungry for greatness not this guy well he's you know he got jacked for this shit right he's on creating now probably yeah I'm taking Islam by submission Luke okay by submission in the fourth like he's on creeteer like oh was he on melatonin gummies too. So Luke, that's what I got. What do you got? I'm going to go Islam. I mean, listen, I think what he's saying is right. Do this,
Starting point is 00:36:38 can I be honest? Please, about time. Well, I mean, I'm just being serious. Like, I don't have a strong beat on this one. Some of the other fights, I feel like I have a bit of a stronger one. This one is a little tough for me because there's unknowns about Islam moving up. JDM looks great, but that was against Balal, who is a very good opponent, but not Islam. At least not what we think Islam is going to be.
Starting point is 00:36:58 As you mentioned, he was not supposed to be in that fight. and got kind of pushed in there by accident and great, you know, he overperformed. I fully recognize that Craig is the next factor. Like, it wouldn't surprise me, honestly, with other directions. I just kind of feel like Islam's got a lot of different ways to win, and that should show up over the course of about.
Starting point is 00:37:16 One final thing Islam told me is... You're a pussy? He said... You are... You are... You are... I had a great nine and a half minutes with him, right? You are a pussy.
Starting point is 00:37:27 It was like nine... Remember that movie nine and a half weeks with a... Basinger and Mickey Rourke. No, but I did, I did watch the Spike Lee remake of high and low, high and low with Denzel Washington was nice to love. I didn't see that one. It was on Apple TV. Although I did
Starting point is 00:37:42 see, um... I watched this morning show if we're just sharing, you know? Okay, I saw higher learning when I was a junior in high school. Higher learning. I got shaken. I was shaken by the race riding and that. Yeah, you're not used to going to see the inner city schools, huh? No, no, just the outward aggressiveness of the, Michael Rappaport played someone that you
Starting point is 00:37:58 had to hate. Yeah. That's why I stand He has maintained as himself as someone to hate. So speaking of all of that, where was I going? I was going. I don't know. Oh, he told me, ultimately, he said, Islam. He said, to beat him, you would have to train harder than him. And he said, nowhere have I found.
Starting point is 00:38:17 Everybody's fucking, that's not a good quote at all. I thought it was powerful the way he delivered it, okay? All right, mate. Maybe he just outworks him. Okay, wow. You said your beat is off on that fight, right? is your beat also off on this women's championship, Luke, because there's so much unique history at stake.
Starting point is 00:38:35 Try to get without laughing. BC's like if you can't beat me on the game, beat me off. Look, two-time flyweight champion, first ballot Hall of Famer, arguably the pound-for-pound queen, Valentina Shevchenko, already in possession of the most title defenses in UFC women's history with eight over her two reins will welcome two-time strawweight champion,
Starting point is 00:38:56 arguably the greatest strawweight of all time, despite the two losses to Rosenami Yunus, Zhang Wei Li is 10-0 against everyone else in the UFC and she's looking like Islam to become the 11th champ-champ two-division champion in this sports history. The odds have been a virtual pick-um
Starting point is 00:39:13 all of this week. Where do we stand right now for this women's flyway belt? They've actually swayed in favor of Shevchenko now. She's minus 135, Wei Lee, plus 114. Luke, you love history as much as anyone. this ain't this ain't you know necessarily cyborg versus newness this ain't as big as the rousy fights we talked about that on monday or as important as carano versus uh cyborg but i think this is the pairing of the
Starting point is 00:39:41 two most skilled women in the history of this sport one two of the top five of all time fighting legitimately one versus two of right now pound for pound chefchenko can tie amanda newness with the most title wins in UFC women's history with 10. Zhang Wei Li can put that stamp on her already likely Hall of Fame run right here, and both would have a chance to secure the defining biggest victory of their career. Rarely does it get better than, historically, this fight right here.
Starting point is 00:40:10 Yeah, I mean, in terms of what's on paper, there's not much to dislike, as you indicated. I think the most important one is Pound for Pound number one versus two. That's really what you want to see. The issue is... You guys are discounting Nunes? She's back, technically. Is she back at the testing pool?
Starting point is 00:40:25 No, she doesn't get ranked pound for pound until she fights again. That's how that works. Fair enough. Well, whatever. Yeah, I mean, I'll reconsider the moment she wins or fights again or something. But in this particular case, I mean, again, this is a phenomenal contest. I mean, there's just a couple problems with it. One, as you indicated, the start of this, there's just no keep between them at all, like nothing.
Starting point is 00:40:46 Which doesn't have to be necessarily. The other problem I have, though, is you can be like, all right, well, they're not trash talking, but the fight's going to be a banger. I just don't think Schifchenko is going to allow this fight to be a banger. I think she's going to allow it to be not bad. I'm not saying she's going to be a wet blanket in the way that she was against Grasso, in part because I just don't think Jean-Wiley-Lie is going to let her. That, to me, is going to be the big difference here. But I do believe that, like, why would you slug it out with her?
Starting point is 00:41:11 Who's faster, a little bit more nimble? Well, I think Chifchenko's counterboxing is going to be an issue for Jean-Willy. She's got that lead hook that she throws. I mean, she humbled Faroe in the first round, did Valentin just with that counterbaugh. Fair enough. plodder way back into the fight a little bit, but I'm just pointing out, if you're Shevchenko and you're looking at this realistically,
Starting point is 00:41:29 how is your game plan anything other than wrestling? I mean, yes, the parts around it. But Whaley's rounded out her game. And they have very similar styles. Valentina naturally bigger, came from a larger weight class. That's all true. But the big question here, just like the Islam fight is, what will Whaley look at,
Starting point is 00:41:44 look like at 125? She's jacked as shit ahead of this fight as well. Yeah, I mean, in the spirit of real talk, am I the only one who doesn't think this to be competitive. I think Zhang's going to beat up convincingly. Whoa. Whoa. I think Valentin is slow like she's gotten older. She's slowing down. I think Zhang is a freak in terms of pound-for-bound strength. I think for her size, she's very, very strong. She picked up Shaq the other day. She picked up. Like she did in Ghana. Barely. She'll pick up Big Francis? She picked up big Francis
Starting point is 00:42:11 all the way up. Yeah. So I just think, I just truly believe this is going to be one of those crossroads fights where Shevchanga comes out and tries to do her like kind of point style fighting. I think Yang's are going to fucking just blitz her and forget her. I don't know why I just see that. So she took, she took Amanda Nunez's best punches and that didn't sit her down, but this is gonna? Man, I don't know. I just think she's like slowed down. She's definitely slowed down. I mean, it's going to be one or the other, right? Either Shevchenko is going to be on top of her, one way or the other, or more the other way, or more the other way, which is Jean-Wiley is going to be so fast, so nimble, so powerful that it's going to overwhelm her. It's going to be one or the
Starting point is 00:42:49 other. But to the extent it is exciting is a function of what Jean-Wiley can make it in defense of what what Shevchenko tries to like smother her with. True, true. I just feel like if Valentina like her coming back and winning the title in the trilogy, even though we thought she should have won it in the second
Starting point is 00:43:05 fight with Grasso was huge. But at 37 you're like, well maybe that's what the last that she had left, right? She poured it out for that. No, the way that she beat Faroe even though Manon came back in that fight showed you that, holy shit, she still has it. She really is. You can vote for either one for Pomp for Pong Queen. You're right on both
Starting point is 00:43:21 of those. She's really still that fighter. I have a hard time to believe that she can't bring it to the ground if she needs to and get a break from that Valentina. You think her grapings that much better than Jen? Not that she'll advance on Jang and not that she'll advance on Wei Lee and put her in trouble
Starting point is 00:43:37 just that she can control the terms with that. So, Yon Shaanan got her down two times, it was USC 300, got her down two times in the same round. And one time she did it by catching a kick, And the other time she did it, forget exactly how, but it was off of Jean Wiley just being way too
Starting point is 00:43:56 like overdone with her offense, too wide open. Dude, if you're wide open with your offense, Shevchenko is going to eat you alive. Shevchenko's still way more precise. And her timing is incredible. And patient. Even though Wei has evolved her game. And I do like that you made that statement
Starting point is 00:44:12 that we could be sleeping on the idea that she can run right through her. Because if anybody can, she has that motor. She has that strength. She has the body. Like, you said Shevchenko's more precise, for sure, but to what end? Right? Like, I don't believe over the course 25 minutes she can just precision her way to a decision win. I think Zhang will be too aggressive.
Starting point is 00:44:29 And in this sport, judges tend to go for the aggression over the counterstriker. I think over 25 minutes, unless Shefchenko lands this mythical headshot that she'd kill Jessica I with, I just think Zhang will get the knot. Well, Jessica, I walked right into it. So that'll never happen again. But Shevchenko hasn't always been perfect. Obviously, she's coming off a stretch of the two fights, the Grasso trilogy and the Faroe fight, where she looks like a million bucks.
Starting point is 00:44:49 But Luke, the Talia's enough, enough, enough, enough to win the title. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She did it a boring, controlling way, but she did it. She looked good. She looked like a million bucks early and the bureau clutter way back there. She hasn't been perfect. The title of Santos fight is still this weird blip in the radar where it's like she probably lost that fight
Starting point is 00:45:05 and got a, was, got the benefit of the doubt on the scorecards. But looking back, did the same issues that Santos gave her? Is that repeatable by Wei Lee here? Didn't Santos get the back a lot? Santos just out physical there I'd be surprised I don't think that's Zhang's style I don't think Zhang's looking to do that right
Starting point is 00:45:24 She can get on top But she's not like a backpacker No Well then if that's not going to be an issue I don't think her striking splurges Are going to be enough To completely control this flurges Because I mean that's the argument
Starting point is 00:45:38 That's the argument right here I mean Long Island look you've seen the virtual Pickam odds With the change in them What does Plus Waley do To change the betting conference I mean, it's intriguing, dude. I literally said I will take whoever's the underdog here. And of course, it was a pickum when I went to put my pets in. So I took Shevchenko in a parlay. But now that Wayle's
Starting point is 00:45:57 plus money, I definitely see the intrigue there. I think there's a 50-50 fight. 48, 47, regardless of who wins. So Whaley, by the way, this is public news I can share. She was supposed to do one-on-ones yesterday with all the media people outside of media day. And- Did you know Brian gets one-on-ones now? Well, now he does. And they said that ultimately she was exhausted and she could. didn't speak too much, so they did a tiny scrum where she just whispered. I think she's seen your work and just didn't want. That's a fair, very fair point right there. Did you talk to her?
Starting point is 00:46:26 No. I don't know if that plays into the way cut. And she didn't seem tired at all. I mean, every fighter has a hard way cut. It's a hard weight cut, ultimately. It's not, you know, it's not the easiest thing to build. I mean, how bad of Oika could it be up 10 fucking pounds? I understand.
Starting point is 00:46:37 I'm just giving you the facts. That's a fact that's a fact that happened. Maybe she was just like, I don't want to talk to this. That's very fair. That's very fair. It's fucking dope. She's like, wait, that guy, the masturbator? I don't want to talk to him.
Starting point is 00:46:51 I asked legitimate... I still wrote him on the subway. I asked legitimate MMA questions, although I did ask protest if Ian Gary's a cuck. I did go there. Did you really? Yeah, we also talked a lot about bitches and weed, too. It was a great chap, but no camera to pick it up. But the other influencers were asking them, like, if you pulled up...
Starting point is 00:47:06 The other influences. No, if you pulled up to a car accident, which MMA fighter would you want to change your tire or something like, that's the kind of question. You're better than that, for sure. I'm way better than that, okay. Is he a cuck? Yeah. Wait, what was the exact question you asked?
Starting point is 00:47:21 To Prattish? Yeah. Prattish? In his opinion, are the critics and fans right? Is Gary a cuck? What did he say? He said, no, no, I don't think so. Okay.
Starting point is 00:47:33 So when you see Ian, how do you ask him that question? Ian's one of my favorite fighter. Yeah, this is the thing. B.C. likes to play both sides. He absolutely... It was. Yeah, so he, I can attest. He is absolutely an Ian, Gary,
Starting point is 00:47:46 booster, like to the boat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, he's going to end up winning the championship in this division. But he also likes to engage in the gossip around it for fun. So he'll play a little bit of the both sides. I'm just a journalist. But to his credit, to his credit, he thinks he and Gary is like
Starting point is 00:48:00 on his way. All right, let's cut through the leftover bullshit. Do you have an official pick? You're taking Waley by stoppage? Or just by a five-round? Oh, I'll just say she's going to win. I don't know how she's going to win. So she'll not knock down, Shovchenko. She'll get the punches on her. She'll be a problem. Yes, so I think a physicality and aggression will be too much.
Starting point is 00:48:16 Will she take Valentina down at all? Yeah, probably. She could. I don't think she'll get the more take-downs. I mean, it's going to be a fucking GSP double leg, but I could see her getting a trip. She's working with Brad Riddell in Thailand for this card. Well, he's not a wrestling coach. She's a striking coach.
Starting point is 00:48:29 And she's had Suhudo in camps in the past she has. And they gave her credit team, Chef Chanko. They know that she can wrestle. I still think Valentina has that edge. I'm taking Valentina by unanimous. Luke, what do you got? I hope that it's not this way, but I just tend to think Schifchenko might try and smother her. and get a decision.
Starting point is 00:48:48 Get a decision, yeah. All right, there we go. There we go. Those are the title fights atop it. Let's get into this. You picked the youngsters. I picked all the old donks. How old are you?
Starting point is 00:48:57 34. So when you get, it's being like, oh, Islam, he's 34. Yeah. I was like, fuck you. Yeah. I mean, you're still in the game.
Starting point is 00:49:02 By the way, as we transition here out of the title fights into the deepness of this main card, you have had a BKFC fight in which you, as the lower third said, sent the bane to the sub-basement of hell. You have had a fight circus. beer boxing match that turned into a pro wrestling match slash orgy, I think? Yeah, there was some touching.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Also with Ben, actually. Is your career still active right now, your fighting career? Yeah, yeah, I'm going to try and fight a misfits MMA next year. Wow. Are you going to fight Dylan Danes or some shit? No, I'm going to fight a bum that I will beat. Yeah, Dylan Danes. Yeah, no, I'm going to try and do that.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Then I'll retire. All right. At the grand old... What are the pay days? I got they weren't when we said that I got like thousands not like tens of
Starting point is 00:49:52 but well according to that you got six years left Oscar okay that's probably accurate all right weren't you just in New Zealand yeah last week who paid for that trip
Starting point is 00:50:03 Maclife how long was that flight it's like a 20 hour travel and I was there three days Vegas to Vegas L.A. L.A. to Auckland How long was that All along as the Auckland flight.
Starting point is 00:50:16 12 or 13 hours, I think. Damn. Did you just get fucking hammered? Did you hear the story about him last night on the plane in New York? Did you try to bring a box cutter on the plane again? No, no, no. I've left those days behind me. No, I got upgraded to first class.
Starting point is 00:50:31 You got drunk because it's free? Yeah. Chris Costello, UFCPR, was sitting behind me, and he said after two hours, he heard the steward say to me, so this is your 13th whiskey. Dude, I feel bad Because every once in a while I get upgrading And then I'm at most
Starting point is 00:50:49 At most four He said as well I felt it I was screaming in my sleep On a plane I was like You're single right Yeah Depends to you ask
Starting point is 00:50:59 Have you had a vasectomy yet? No I wanted to get one But it's like I didn't realize He took my manhood from me I won't lie Have you got a vasects me Yeah
Starting point is 00:51:07 It took everything I had Not only did he get a vasectomy He got it from a guy who operates in a van down by the river. He was a Vietnam vet who was 75 and he only worked one day a week and I wasn't aware of all this until this assert. I didn't. As he's making the incision. So the pre-visit
Starting point is 00:51:21 he was like, he was so loving and he was so loving and he was comforting. He was like, oh, you're going to be fine. How comforting. And then you get to the day of it and he's like, nope, you can't take drugs beforehand. You know, like no like pain reliever or anything of that. Of course you can't do that. And then he was like talking trash as I
Starting point is 00:51:37 was like. This is the smallest thing I've ever He goes, you have the most pathetic genitals. So he lied that it would only be one needle. It was three needles. For sure. To the bag. And the first one and a half, I can't even describe the pain, okay? It is a sensitive area.
Starting point is 00:51:53 It's a next level pain. But then when I was like, I don't think he numbed me enough because I could feel every piece of the surgery. And he was like, you're fine. You're fine. He was kind of stupid. So then I was like, why don't you tell me about Vietnam if you're this tough? So we kind of had like a contentious back and forth while he was working on the I don't understand how they put us down for colonoscopies, but they make you stay awake for this.
Starting point is 00:52:14 I'll be honestly, I would not be contentious with the man cutting my bull bag. I would be very friendly. I'd maybe, I'd hold my notes. It had turned sour at that point. I would hold my notes until after. And I was like, yo, dude, I obviously need more anesthesia here. Like, this is, I'm feeling everything. This is not.
Starting point is 00:52:30 I woke up in the middle of wisdom tooth surgery and they had to give me more. Why did you get fesectomy? Have you got children? I do have children. They let you breathe. 17-year-old children. Yes, yes, I do. Yes, I do.
Starting point is 00:52:42 Okay, now we will get to the next welterweight fight on this card, which is a very good one, by the way. Sean Brady versus Michael Morales. This is my fucking favorite. And this road to Brady Morales here at UFC 322 is brought to you by Total Wireless, the official wireless provider of UFC get unlimited data that won't slow you down.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Luke Thomas, in addition to Sean Brady saying hello to you and saying that he still loves this program, you got to love this fight. I fucking love this fight. The 18 and O slugger Michael Morales, the knockout machine is going to test where he's really at against a Sean Brady who's kind of so annoyed at the bottleneck atop this division
Starting point is 00:53:22 that he basically said UFC, I'll fight anyone you give me. They said Morales, he said yes, he does believe Sean Brady that there's a path to the title with a win. Now you can argue that that's hopeful, that's optimistic given how crowd of this division is. You're going to have Ian Gary next week against Bilal. fight matters, by the way.
Starting point is 00:53:38 That's a big one. But obviously, at the same time, it's an audition. It's a showcase Saturday. Which welterweight and these other two fights can jump through the screen. When you look at this matchup, will the experience edge for Brady? Not just the wrestling, the experience edge prove the difference if he's going to pick up a W. First of all, I just want to say I love this fight so much. And the reason why is because, A, I just like Brady's game a lot.
Starting point is 00:54:02 He's got a heavy top pressure style, but he doesn't, yeah, yeah, you do go first. go first while I'm talking he's like a baby reaching for his bottle he's got a heavy top pressure style but is super technical now they had to remove leg locks from the battle but he when they did he tied Craig Jones like that's actually
Starting point is 00:54:20 pretty fucking impressive yeah it was Craig Jones at a handicap but still that's that's actually very all Craig has his leg locks let's be honest he's terrible I'm just saying he's for MMA purposes he's got one of the best ground games certainly in that division and maybe all of you have C And what he did to Leon, he handled Leon.
Starting point is 00:54:39 And what I loved about that Leon fight was not just that he had one kind of takedown. He had many kinds of takedowns, single leg, doubles, sasai. He had the whole bit. I love this bout in particular because you've got a physical beast in Sean Brady, but you've got a much larger physical beast in Michael Morales. However, Morales, while younger, Brady more technical. Morales with a much longer reach, Brady was much more experience, I would say, against high-level guys.
Starting point is 00:55:03 And more to the point, you see, this is a really important one. Listen, I fully accept that part of the game is, hey, I don't want to fight that guy. He's too tough. I'm going to take an easier road to get there. But when the other guys say, I'm not going to do that, I'm going to sign up for the vouts that nobody wants,
Starting point is 00:55:18 I'm going to take risk that maybe some would reject. We have to celebrate these people. You need to celebrate Sean Brady for taking on a fight that most people would say, I'm not fucking fighting that guy, especially when you think you, after beating Leon, hey, I just beat the former champ. How close am I to a title shot? He said, fuck it.
Starting point is 00:55:33 Give me that. Three straight wins for Brady. Three straight since the lost of Muhammad. He said yesterday that actually even if he wins this fight, he won't wait for a title shot. He will fight whoever he needs to until he gets... I fucking love this. Dude, he almost fought Geary like five times.
Starting point is 00:55:47 That they keep small. Oh, your favorite fire? Yeah. Well, I mean, I do think he's got... Is it because of his lifestyle choices you like? Some of his lifestyle choices. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying I love this attitude from Sean Brady,
Starting point is 00:55:59 and I don't know if it's going to work for him, but we got to celebrate guys like this who bring fights like this to the game. Love it. All right. Love this fight. Oscar Wilde. Michael Morales is fresh off of TKO stoppages over Neil Magny.
Starting point is 00:56:12 And last time out over Gilbert Burns, who's still tough as nails, despite the slide that he's currently on. Yeah. How good is he? Because this is the, we're going to find out Saturday. But how good is this guy? I think he's very good. And he's explosive, exciting, all the things you love to see. But I think he's running into a brick wall in Sean Brady.
Starting point is 00:56:33 And I think in terms of just. you know, there's this sort of like X factor that people talk about, but like just knowing how to win, I think Sean Brady knows how to win, and I'm curious to see if you know, if that like can be overcome in this fight. I think the wrestling... They do call Morales
Starting point is 00:56:49 a guy who doesn't not have wrestling, but it's not on the Brady level. Well, he's got pretty fucking good wrestling, and he's got good judo. Remember, his parents are judo accomplished judokos. And his mom is in that crowd in loud. You've been there, right? His mom goes nuts, right? Probably. Have you been to the apex when he fights?
Starting point is 00:57:04 Yes. His last fight was against, what, Magny or... It was against Gilbert. Gilbert. It was either in the Magny or the Gilbert fight where his mom was there and she went fucking bananas when he was at the apex. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:57:15 Shout out Eddie Alvers, his wife, by the way, the guard of that. She is unlike anyone else in the history in the fight game. But the point I'm trying to make is Morales has a long reach. He hits hard. He's a little bit reckless with it,
Starting point is 00:57:28 but he definitely is powerful. But on the feet, dude, he is tough to take down. He can kick, dude. He can kick, too. I think for Brady, the reason why I brought it up against Leon where he had all these different kinds of takedowns is you're going to need to see that from Brady.
Starting point is 00:57:41 Brady's going to have to have different kinds of entries because not one take... Even if one takedown is your best takedown, it may not matter depending on what stance they are, how they're moving, what weapons they have around it. You have to be able to adapt. Oh, I thought I had my own lower third. I was going to fucking lose my shit.
Starting point is 00:58:02 Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is Brady is This is the interesting part Brady is kind of known as a physical beast Which he is We've had him in studio Oh yeah
Starting point is 00:58:11 His back looks like a turtle shell There's so much muscle attached to it Jurassic back But fucking Is that right But fucking Michael Morales Dude is also a Tank of a person
Starting point is 00:58:22 Very homoerotic sport This is Oh yeah dude Keep Jiu Jitsu Gay Come on Let's talk about it But anyway What you have here
Starting point is 00:58:31 Is two physical guys But I would get the edge To Morales Just based on the overall stature. You'd edge Morales. I would edge him. Okay.
Starting point is 00:58:38 However, Brady, much more technical, much more technical of the two. Not so much from taking on defense, but once he gets to the floor, big difference there. So I asked Brady the magic question of even though he hasn't had to lean on his striking in the last three fights since the loss to Baham-Mohamed, where he's striking kind of got exposed. You could say he got knocked out, his gas tank. He got beat up in that fight. He's wrestled almost exclusively.
Starting point is 00:59:03 what he says he's been working on it behind the scenes. If Morales finds a way to intercept the takedown advantage here, can Brady survive, if not thrive against Morales on the... Certainly not thrive, and I would say struggle to survive, man. Morales is a very, very, like, explosive striker, you know... So there's not a secret boxing. He's not going to be Frankie Edgar out there with the jab, Sean Brady, I don't know where, right? I don't mean, with all respect to him.
Starting point is 00:59:29 He can be a volume guy when he needs to be. I don't know how that's going to work against the... guy who's got a seven-inch reach advantage. It's always kind of like setups to the takedown. Of course. He's striking is all setups to the wrestling. Yeah, or just to occupy you defensively. I just don't suddenly see him coming out, fucking windmilling in and be like, gosh, you know.
Starting point is 00:59:45 Interesting. What are the odds at the moment here along now, Luke? They've come down a little bit. Minus 130 for Brady plus 110 for Morales. Dude, these are tough-ass fights on this car. These are great fights. These are a good little parley here. Hey, shout out to Mick, Sean.
Starting point is 00:59:59 And then that other guy that they hired once to do a fight, remember that guy? Do you know what he does now? Kelsey Plum, too. What does he do you know? I believe he is one of the cleaners on the apex. That's not a joke. The guy that got to pick one fight. I think so.
Starting point is 01:00:10 They made him a janitor? I'm not a very good journalist, but I believe... Yeah, I'm a motherfucker. We know. I believe that's what I'm. I believe they made him a cleaner. Is that like a success story or like a major demotion? What, do you want to be a matchmaker for the UFC, bro?
Starting point is 01:00:24 They're the most miserable life ever. I saw Sean Shelby in Vegas last time I was there. He came to the fight that I was calling for XFC. He was there. You don't like a PTSD veteran He, has you ever seen that meme Or it's the Vietnam War guy Whose face is long and hanging
Starting point is 01:00:41 And there's like fucking cartage in the back Every time he sees, don't get me wrong He's very friendly He's very friendly But every time I see him It's just that meme over and over again Like their lives are tough Are you gonna make a pick here?
Starting point is 01:00:53 Sure Brady I gotta go Brady here I gotta go Brady I feel like we're all gonna get come up into Morales is gonna break out But I'm gonna say Sean Brady Because I love Sean Brady so much I think he's on that run
Starting point is 01:01:03 right now that gets him to a title shot eventually. I don't know if he wins it. It depends on the match. I'm just going to say I fucking love his attitude. I love his fucking attitude. Shavcott's back in shape, by the way. Have you guys been watching this? Yeah, that's my Super Bowl.
Starting point is 01:01:14 Sean Brady versus Shobcock. We don't need Shavkat to become the next. Who's my guy at Featherkot? Zabit. We don't need him to be the next Zabat. Abraham Lincoln? Yeah, no, like we need Chavkat to show us who the freak he is. We can't like, what do you take from the Shavkat, Gary fight?
Starting point is 01:01:29 Good or bad for Shavka. That's the thing. the thing. Yeah. Will he ever, the way that he kills the skin's animals? Yeah,
Starting point is 01:01:39 I talked to Danny Rube briefly. He was, he didn't tell me exactly the full details, but kind of indicated he was fucked up in that fight. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:01:45 I heard he had a bad. So he may come back in the same way he like skins the fur off the animals and then wears it. He might do that. That's the hardest shit
Starting point is 01:01:53 on planet. If a motherfucker walks into the octagon wearing dead animals, he killed himself. Yeah, it's a fucking rap for you, bro. The next welterweight matchup,
Starting point is 01:02:02 on this pay-per-view main card of UFC 322 is also fantastic. Carlos Prattish, who had lost what started off as a non-competitive fight to Ian Gary and a big step up turned into him nearly stopping Gary late. In fact, I asked him straight up yesterday. How close were you to stopping Ian Machado, Gary? He said that close.
Starting point is 01:02:22 He's going to welcome a former champion here in Leon Edwards in another fight that could catapult the winner deeper into contention here. Prattis bounced back and sent Jeff Neal to hail, hail to redeem himself. He's the star of the fighting nerds at a moment when the fighting nerds are pointing in the wrong direction. This one has banger. I mean, I just met her, written all over it, so much so that it's actually. This is why your kids hate you.
Starting point is 01:02:50 The only fight on the main car that's getting a little spicy. I mean, Cuerva was already here, but we had to call him in because what Carlos Prostis and Leon Edwards have been serving each. other back and forth this week at Media Day is worthy of a shots fire. And of course, the shots fired brought to you by Cuervo. Now's a good time to enjoy the tequila. That invented tequila, and we've been enjoying it. Here, I just want to point out, he looks
Starting point is 01:03:17 like, Oscar, he looks like imagine if McCulley Culkin just did meth for 10 years. He did. He did. It's like, imagine the guy with him home alone and the parents just never came How did he get, like, half the size of you two? I look very, very small. You are half the size of us. That's also true.
Starting point is 01:03:36 That is also true. Let's start off first here on shots fired with Carlos Marlboro Prattish. Think that he still wants to be fighting at the elite level and wants to be champion, or do you think he's just fighting for the sake of it? No, he's done, you know. We cannot teach hard. You know, if you like he already give up one time, you're going to give up always, you know. Leon is a kind of fighter
Starting point is 01:04:00 like when the things start to get hard like when he see like it's going to be a hard night he starts to give up you know like he don't do too many things to try to change the game and he forget about getting the win just try to survive during the fight
Starting point is 01:04:20 so does that mean you're going to put the pressure on him from the get-go to try break him yeah I mean not pressure but like bad moments you know, like pressure is easy to survive but I want to see how he can fight with somebody try to really hurt him, you know? I will say
Starting point is 01:04:36 I do find it, I get his point but it is funny that he's like, yeah, he quits when a guy gets tough, when the guy he's talking about has the most famous come from behind victory in MMA history. Also, it's just not even fucking true. I've seen people quit and then come back and have great fucking runs. It's not even true. Here's Leon Edwards' rebuttal.
Starting point is 01:04:55 It gets hard, he quits. You've quit once you've quit, you're going to quit again. So you make him farless as an opponent. It's right. I think I was just go for skills. I'm the better fighter, a better athlete. I was going to and remind him of who I am. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:05:10 Like, he was fought. The first one I moved up, it was Ian and Ian beat him. His last fight, I don't know what Jeff Newell was doing. He was walking high guard, just walking flatfooted, walking in just like that. So he was there to be. And he was still having success. Yeah, I mean, so I think he's in for a rude awake inside the night. Do you feel like the forgotten man in this division because, you know,
Starting point is 01:05:33 Camaro's obviously, he's come back and said he wants to fight for the belt next, Sean Brady wants to fight for the belt, Carlos wants to fight for the belt, but it doesn't seem like everyone is kind of mentioning. That's the game, right? When Camaro was on a two free-fighter losing streak, they said the same thing, oh, he's done, blah, blah, blah. Then it comes out, he beats... Buckley.
Starting point is 01:05:51 Buckley? Yeah, but beats Buckley. Yeah, but beat Buckley. Now he's like, on the five-for-thal. And that's just the game that we're in. It's what you're done from lately, and it is or it is. After Saturday night, we go from there. Well, we get to this point from a little bit of trash talk.
Starting point is 01:06:05 That's still the central question of this fight. I agree with Leon. Fighter for Fighter, Palm for Poundary, he's the better fighter than Carlos' protest. He had a fucking weight class title. But he's 34. The title lost to Bilal. 34 is still young. The title lost to Bilal was not overly impressive.
Starting point is 01:06:20 And to be fair, the journey that Leon took to winning the title was not overly impressive at times until it was. beyond a Sean Brady handled him until it was crazy impressive and then he beat Kamara in the rematch and then didn't he beat the bags off Colby but then we get to the point where he looks kind of lifeless and out of answers against Bilal and then gets handled by Sean Brady so is it possible Oscar to just reimagine the guy he used to be the top legitimate champion and top five pound-for-pound fighter that he was people are acting like he lost five in a row. And the reason why they're acting
Starting point is 01:06:55 like that is because mentally he doesn't seem to be the same. But are you of the belief that this is a guy who might float at times in self-belief or whatever, but can get back there and show you who he is once again? It's tough right, because for a lot of these guys, once you win the belt, you've
Starting point is 01:07:11 made it, right? And then you can just lose that hunger. And I feel like once he beat Kamara in the rematch in London, you know, against Colby, I don't think he looked all that impressive. And then against Bilal, listen, it was a fucking fuck a clock at the morning. Were you there? Yes, I was. I wanted to kill
Starting point is 01:07:27 myself. But I think, like, if you remember that fifth round, he actually had a lot of success against Bilau, he actually hurt Balow in the fifth round. Cut him open. But to your point, again, very lifeless. And then against Brady, to a practice's point, he did look like he just gave up. Like, he did look like, fuck, this is a hard night out and
Starting point is 01:07:43 kind of quit. And I think it's very hard for, you know, if you do that, if you do quit in there, only he knows if he does, right? Can you come back and be like, no, no, I can still do it? And I think this fight will play out where Pratech will come very aggressive and it's up to Leon if he's willing to meet that or not, basically. Headshot dead, Luke. That used to be a thing.
Starting point is 01:08:04 Yeah? I mean, he said it in Embedded this week as well, so it could still technically be a thing. I know. I mean, we got to stop. We've got to move on. Hey, I could be in today's embedding. They interviewed me. They were like, oh, there was a bit.
Starting point is 01:08:16 Do you know, I didn't want to say this to you earlier when you brought this up. Here we go. They've made me do to camera pieces like every fight week. and I've made it to one embedded. So you're saying... Which one was it? Do you remember? Some shit one. There's nothing else going on that week.
Starting point is 01:08:31 I mean, you have seen Moncton? No, I think it was... I must have been in the middle of... Was that Smith versus Gustafson? Probably. Or Smith versus... It's definitely Anthony Smith. All I know is I...
Starting point is 01:08:41 Who was no time? Usdemir. All I know is I lied. I went, this is a great fight. Everyone's excited for this one. Oh, boy. I mean, I did... I put on a show as well.
Starting point is 01:08:49 Pratesh. You guys are fucking pussies. Shills. Shills. Shills. I asked. The magic questions that we would want to ask protest. I wish there was a camera there.
Starting point is 01:08:57 My interview was legendary. Five to 15 cigarettes per day, fight week. That's his plan. He's going to smoke one within four minutes of getting the win over Leon Edwards. He said if they'll let him do it indoors like he did last time, he'll do it. But he said he's going straight to basically medicals and then a dart. Will not smoke weed, does not smoke weed. Cannot.
Starting point is 01:09:18 Yeah, I know. Get the fuck out of my life. Loves to drink. cannot get a tobacco sponsorship per UFC rules UFC won't let you have like a gun ammo sponsorship either you can do whiskey apparently or alcohol but not that and that car wasn't his this week
Starting point is 01:09:37 that black car that had the Marlboro logo on the hood with his name on it but clearly I asked him do you remember Ricardo Mayorga he's like oh yeah yeah like he's the new version of that he's also pretty damn good in there well fucking my dude he's not the new version of Ricardo Mayorga, who threatened to drink De La Jolla's wife's breast milk in front of him. To show him that he's a real man, yes, yes. And also, Majorga would drink beer and smoke in the ring with the boxing clothes on after the fight.
Starting point is 01:10:05 Majorga was a different level. But in Mayorga did beat Vernon Forrest when he was pound for pound number one and the Unified Walterway champion. But protest proved against Jeff Neal, and really in the comeback against Gary in a fight that he now admits I didn't listen to my team. kind of went out there and was just trying to hurt him. If he wins this, that's a major leap into, like, title contention. Well, also, the UFC are big on him. You can tell, like, listen, it's not hard. I feel like if you've done this job for long enough, you can speak Dana.
Starting point is 01:10:36 You know, whenever Dana talks about process, like, yeah, he's a bad motherfucker, blah, blah, right? So they love Carlos. And I think if he wins this, they would shoot him right up, you know? What would they give him? Would they give him Brady if he wins or? Yeah, I mean, probably because if you think, read, In my opinion, they'll do, if Islam wins, they'll do Islam, Isman. But then again, I thought, really?
Starting point is 01:10:57 You think they're going to do Islam-Uisman? They are, fucking for sure. It's not a secret why Dana White gotten that argument. Just name value alone. They probably got one or two more out of Isman, so why not just- Luke, did you see a week ago, Dana got into an argument with some question-asker. Oh, he called him the greatest welter away of all time? He's like, it's not even a debate.
Starting point is 01:11:12 Usman's the greatest one of the debate. GSP is. That's him like, when he said that to Camaro, didn't he? But I don't know, but he glazed John Jones the same way about palm-for-pound when they wanted to John Jones. to play ball business-wise. They feel like they can get another paid day out of Usman. But to be fair...
Starting point is 01:11:25 You get a title shot of just beating Buckley. To be fair, Usman didn't look bad against Shemayev into defeat on late notice or Buckley and winning. I got to give him that. Even though I don't like that he's been ranked... Dude, that was a hell of a performance against Buckley, but I didn't think he was going to get a fucking title shot from it. So what are they going to have to play his way in again?
Starting point is 01:11:39 Yeah, he's been out too long. Yeah, man. You've got to be active. Okay, so if Gary wins, they'll hold him for a title opportunity, right? So that means that... Yeah, so what if Gary wins next week? See, this is... But then I think it depends on if Islam or JDM wins. Because JDM, you know, told Ian that his son wasn't his.
Starting point is 01:11:53 So I think there's a bit of a backstory there. Right. But I think... They say mean things to each other in the game. These fights are rascals, aren't they? I think it depends on, like, how the two fights play out. Because again, as well, like, Balala and Ian, that's probably going to decision, let's be honest. And if it's a lifeless...
Starting point is 01:12:12 If this is a lifeless performance by both of them, then they can sort of pivot, then they can do the Isman fight. Dude, if Gary can't start finishing dudes... it's going to be hard to fulfill the potential. He can win the title without it in the right matchup, and I think he'll get favorable matchmaking. But unless he can develop that extra gear, it's going to be hard. To finish guys. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:30 Rather than... Okay. All right. To close out on this talk about this. I'm going to let you just hang here. Yeah. Yo, this is big if Prattest does it, but I do kind of want Leon Edwards to remind us who he still is.
Starting point is 01:12:43 I think the point he makes is a great one, which is that Prochus, he's kind of playing with House Money, because to your point, promotion seems to like him. He's a Brazilian who speaks pretty good English. They always love that shit. And he's got an aggressive style. He's got good power, by the way. So certainly, I think, the more powerful striker of the two.
Starting point is 01:13:00 But Leon's right. Leon's beaten better guys and is definitely more well-rounded. But he's been thumped in his last two fights, or at least in the last one, he got thumped. You know, what's really left of his hunger? What's he really trying to do? This fight to me kind of like, I'm not going to say he's as interesting,
Starting point is 01:13:14 or is not as interesting, because this is one of the few fights was a little bit of sizzle to it. Yeah, a little of the few, yeah. However, I can't tell if it's like a guy who won't ever be championship level versus a guy who was and no longer ever will be again. So it's like, you know, what's the relevance actually?
Starting point is 01:13:30 I guess we'll have to see, but... I love this fight. What a great man. You like this one more than like Brady Morales? I think they're even with each other. I like this fight. I love that. But I do think, you said it at the beginning of the show. If Leon goes out and gets fucked, like, stomped,
Starting point is 01:13:43 that's pretty much a rap, you know? Yeah. On the Leon Edwards story. Yeah, what are you going to do? Yeah. Wow. To close the main card, a very good lightweight. It's not Bo Nicol, huh? A very good lightweight, but the people spoke, and they got what they wanted here.
Starting point is 01:13:54 Benil Daryush, who had back-to-back stoppage losses to Olaver and the CTE Championship, brother. Olivera and Saruki. Sorry to say it, but it is, right? Am I wrong? Came back and won a decision against Hainato and Moikano, but he welcomes a god of war BST who seems to be back on track. Two stoppage wins after two stoppage losses in which he either fell apart because he was ill against Dustin Porriere and then got his eye compromise against Moikano and eventually
Starting point is 01:14:20 lost by TKO. I feel like he's back. But what a perfect fight to find out if he is or not. It will be a war. Somebody's getting the CT, as Luke said. What do you like about this matchup, BSD versus Daryush? I feel like lightweight, you know, you talked about which division is most stacked. I think lightweight is the most stacked in terms of showing a non-MMA fan fights, right?
Starting point is 01:14:42 This is the CTE division. You know, through its legacy, you have Gaichi, Poir, all these guys, Hooker. And I think BSD is in their malt. I would never miss one of his fights because I assume he will either give or take brain damage. And I think... Wow, that's raw and real right there. I think... It's the truth.
Starting point is 01:15:02 Yes, this one, this is what we're here to watch. This is real talk. I want to do yourself for my entertainment. Yes. But I think, unfortunately, for Benil, he is tailor-made to take that punishment. Right? I think he's a little slower, it's a little older, and I think that it's just the sort of... He's way fucking better on the ground. For sure he's way better, but what I think is he's just in those transitions from standing to take downs and stuff like that, he's ready to be caught.
Starting point is 01:15:28 I think he will... Even if he wins, which he could absolutely do, he will fucking take a shit ton of punishment to do so. What are the odds? Well, now? Plus 150, Benil, minus 180 Benoit. Dude, all these fights. These fights, bro. All these fucking fights, bro.
Starting point is 01:15:44 version of BSD that out wrestled Mauricio Hoofee before stopping him. That guy can win a lightweight title, candy. He beat Maricio motherfucker on the ground, motherfucker. That is no grand achievement. And Kyle Krepulik before that, he took damage in, right? The real thing you should be bringing up. The real thing you should be bringing up is Daryush
Starting point is 01:16:02 giving Gamrod all he could fucking handle and neutralizing all of his wrestling. He was the guys have neutralized. For example, Hooker has neutralized it by kind of minimizing it and then doing damage. Darius was the first guy who, was just better there. Dude, Darius's...
Starting point is 01:16:18 Larry Eush's... Really good. I think Darius had, like, the worst luck. Like, he's actually better than... He got knocked out by Alexander Hernandez. You know what I mean? He also was speaking about... He's very good.
Starting point is 01:16:27 No, no, he's a fine fighter, but I'm saying, like, Daryus was the guy... Darius was the guy who was not going to beat the very, very best guy. He's going to make that fucker... He's going to put him through the paces, right? He was pushing Jesus in Saudi or somewhere over there. It was, I think, UAE.
Starting point is 01:16:39 U.A.E. He was Abed-Dab. Don't be racist. No, I wasn't being racist. I was like, this guy, you know, he's a strong dude. Actually, he was asked about that at Media Day. They said, why, he also got a little teary-eyed when he said he fought for Jesus, which is fine. I know.
Starting point is 01:16:50 I have Persian friends who are like, who's that Persian guy in the UFC who's Christian? They always bring that part up to him. But he also is not dyeing his hair like you, Luke. He's just going to let the salt and pepper farther. I was looking at photos. There's not a lot of pepper. Every day there's less brother. Every day the life drains from me.
Starting point is 01:17:11 The ratio is awful. Here, you know what I'm going to do? Hold on, hold on. You don't have to, give me, give me like two minutes. Okay. I was looking, my wife was, I was looking, I was looking at photos from 205 fight week. Because it was, you know, nine years ago this week or whatever. Yes.
Starting point is 01:17:25 Nine years, fuck. No, it's 10 years ago, right? 2016. 10 years ago. No, nine. That's nine, bro. Nine and some change. No, 2016.
Starting point is 01:17:32 No, 2016. UFC 205? Was 2016? Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I just, I have CT. Sorry. Yeah, you do have Connecticut. Here, I want to.
Starting point is 01:17:41 Give me a couple of minutes to pull, to fire it up. It is shocking. It is shocking. Well, let me transition here. You may. Which is what you're saying. Like it's a contest. Wait, anyone, anyone got a pick here?
Starting point is 01:17:53 BSD. Yeah, sure. I want Darius to win. Because of Jesus? Not so much of that, but he's a, I, I respect. You know, I want to say fucking Darius. Fuck y'all. Wow.
Starting point is 01:18:04 Fuck y'all. Two salty guys filling in for each other right there. I like that right there. All right, those are the main cars. But before we get. to the prelands, I'd like to tell you something that, of course, this podcast is presented by Draft Kings, the Crown, is yours. And when you're getting fired up for UFC 322 this weekend, here's what you can do.
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Starting point is 01:18:47 draft Kings pick six, picking out more or less in different categories for two or more fighters. And when I do that, LT, as you look up these pictures of you before you got old and salty. Skipping through the needs. When I'm talking about takedowns, Zhang Wei-Lie, Oscar, 1.5, more or less takedown secured for Zhang Wei-Lee
Starting point is 01:19:08 against Chevchenko, 1.5. More. I think more. Here, where's the camera? This is, this is from November 13th, nine years ago. Look at that shit. Luke, we're in an ad read at the moment. Oh, sorry.
Starting point is 01:19:21 Sorry, read the, read the room, dude. All right. He was just so excited about how beautifully it was. Okay, all right. Luke, when we're talking about significant strikes in that same fight, 68 and a half for Shevchenko, more or less against Sean Wiley. I'll take the over. Oh, yeah, I'll take the over because if she gets to the back and is just busy shot,
Starting point is 01:19:41 And to close here, Oscar, Jack Della Madelena, 57 and a half significant strikes against Islam more or less over five rounds. Yeah, more. If these are three-round contests, then it's a little harder, but five, five. And also, Jack's got a fucking crazy output. That's easy. Okay. Thanks, draft kings.
Starting point is 01:19:59 Thank you. Also, I did want to get quickly, Luke, your thoughts on Tracy Cortez, 54 and a half significant strikes and a rematch with Aaron Blanchfield over three rounds. I'll take the under. Yeah. All right. By the way, they have Mahachev at 49 and a half significant strikes. I am going, I'm going.
Starting point is 01:20:15 We should be asking him. I'm going more in that one against Della Madelma. Five rounds is a long time. Ask him these same questions. Ask him these same questions. I was going to say the 40 for Islam or whatever it was is a low number, but they're obviously thinking this fight does not go five rounds, and that's why. If finishes him in two rounds, even three, he probably doesn't hit 40 something.
Starting point is 01:20:33 No. Shavchenko, 60 something as well, I'm going to take the under. Even if that goes five rounds, I could see it being a pretty. enemic output. Benoit St. Denis, 37.5 significant strikes. Give me the over. You might have that in a minute. Give me the over on that one. So that's what you're going to do, folks. Gambling problem, by the way, call 1-800 gambler. Help is available for problem gambling. Call 8887-9-77 or visit ccpg.g.org in Connecticut must be 18 plus agent eligibility restrictions vary by jurisdiction. Picksick's not available everywhere,
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Starting point is 01:21:32 Ben the Ben-Bang Davis was he was making fun of a, not lightly, lightly. He was making fun of Hanato Moikano because you'd look at, picture like when he got in the UFC versus now. Ben has balls on Twitter. Ben the Bain. He goes after a fight. Dude, Ben's got God gave him everything but the heart of the fight. No, they gave
Starting point is 01:21:48 everything at a scale. Yeah, they gave in the heart but nothing else. But he was talking about him what Conno had aged and I was like, bitch life is going to beat the motherfucker out of you too. Can you show us how you've aged? Can you Oh my God, bro? It's so sad. That was three years ago. You, holy
Starting point is 01:22:04 shit. Okay, put that in the camera there. Yeah. I was Do you blame that on the job or the alcohol? Okay, go ahead. Look at the color of my fucking beard. Look at that shit. Wow. Wow.
Starting point is 01:22:17 M.MA kills you, boy. I mean, you know, energy drinks have done a good amount of that, too, to lose. Look at that shit. Yeah. Look at that shit. And now look at me. Do you know you're one just for men away from looking like that again? I'm almost a mall Santa.
Starting point is 01:22:33 Okay. I'm almost a mall Santa. Maybe the version of us during COVID. Like a hip's a bull Santa. We did get fat during COVID. But wow. Normally we would stop after the main card here. Did you get fat during COVID? I'm not.
Starting point is 01:22:44 You in Vegas? Yeah, yeah. Well, no, I was in Abbey Dhabi for fucking most of it, to be honest. Really? With the bubble. The UFC bubble. Yeah, but how long were you there at a time? Three weeks, four weeks, five weeks.
Starting point is 01:22:55 Holy shit. Yeah. In fact, I actually got the drink special in the bubble removed because of how out of control I got. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Tell the story. I don't want to tell it all, but the gist. I just got out of control and Jose Youngs found me doing
Starting point is 01:23:12 the Connor McGregor struck down the hallway corridor naked but a gown on just with my penis out. Wow. That's Rick Flair style. Yeah, you do have STDIs. You do. Wow. Did you bang Jose Youngs? No, but... No, not consensual. He has twice dated women of
Starting point is 01:23:29 Hasbula size. Didn't say I dated. Dated as an aggressive word in this conversation. You had romantic episodes. Yeah. I had Yeah. I'm glad that we're breaking this up. Man, you are gross. I mean, you posted that on Twitter, Oscar Wilde, yes. Let's get to the featured prelim on Saturday night, and it's in the middleweight division. Bo Nicol.
Starting point is 01:23:48 Bo Nichol enters his own referendum, and I asked him straight up, is that fair to say about you, coming off a one defeat? Bo said, yeah, that's fine. You have video footage of it? No, because Bo Nickle not only had a, I don't want to say a questionable decision over Paul Craig. I thought he earned it, but he had a fight in which he got booed against Paul Craig with prime matchmaking opportunities in which he didn't shoot at all. He just had a really kind of bad performance striking and got lucky he didn't lose on the cards, comes back against RDR and gets gassed out, kneeed out, and stopped in the
Starting point is 01:24:20 first half of the fight. Now he's got a ground expert in Haudolfo Vieira, who has traded a lot of wins and losses in his UFC run. Luke, I mean, everybody loses and comes back. Islam Mahachev got stopped in round one by Adriano Martins 10 years ago, and we don't talk about that name it because all he's done since then islam is when 15 straight fights including four title defenses is this going to be much ado about nothing in the arc of bo-nickel or is the concern we have about whether he's fully aware of his own
Starting point is 01:24:53 inefficiencies or deficiencies true because remember he said if i ever fight hamsa it'll be the odds will be minus 1,000 for me he said like within the last year i mean in a pure wrestling match maybe i suppose it would be or at least a couple years ago it certainly would have been. I don't know anymore. Dude, Hadoffo Vieira is actually the right kind of opponent because he's very beatable. So, for example, Anthony Hernandez, just kind of mowed right through him. But if you weren't around for the jiu-jitsu days of Hodolfo Vieira versus Marcus Almeida, otherwise known as Bouchesha, the heavyweight, this was like a major rivalry at the time in the early 2010s. The ground game of Hadovo Viera is fucking...
Starting point is 01:25:30 Out of this world. Lights out. But when it came to M.A., like all these sort of old-school jujitsu guys, it didn't exactly go. However, if you're not on your piece and cues, he'll fuck you up proper. But for a guy like Bo Nickel, one of the ways in which, for example, Anthony Hernandez was able to break him was pace. But Bo Nickel sometimes does that, but then against Paul Craig was kind of like dialing the rate of offense back. Bo Nickel, this is one of those fights where it's like, if Bo Nickel can get out there and show the well-rounded skill that he thinks he has, as well as maintain an offensive pace, this is easy. easy fight for him to win.
Starting point is 01:26:06 But if he's not playing the levels, honestly, I'm not predicting it, but I wouldn't rule out a Vieira spoiler here. Wow. Remember, Vieira submitted Cody Bundridge in round two. I'm sorry, he got submitted by Cody Bundridge in round two. Bonickle beat Cody Bundles. I'm not, I'm thinking Bonneckel will win. I'm saying he's got some stuff to do to make it authoritative.
Starting point is 01:26:29 What is what is Bonneckel missing here to put all the pieces together? Because his interview with me was great. He said all the right things. He's a great dude, it seems like. You know what I mean? I just think like the RDR thing, I hate calling these guys quitters and stuff of that because they're getting in there and they're fighting
Starting point is 01:26:45 and they're doing it regularly. But the RDR thing did show us like once he was hurt, he did not seem ready to just bite down and go down swinging, I guess. You know, he sort of cowed up a little bit and got finished. Yeah, but I think his skill level is that he will always be, relatively successful in the sport, whether he's championship caliber, as we maybe previously thought,
Starting point is 01:27:08 who knows, but I think he will always have wins in this sport. I would like to do more real talk and say that I think American wrestling is the most overrated thing. You're so out of your mind. You're so out of your mind. By the moment,
Starting point is 01:27:21 Hodolph Ovirah submitted Cody Brundage, Bonickle beat him by... How many times do you can correct yourself? I don't know. I don't know. But, wow, he just shit on... How come you're wearing the media thing? He's not wearing the media thing. Because I'm not a show for the EOC, brother.
Starting point is 01:27:35 This guy's a partner now. That's your show me. Why? I can't deny it. Yeah. I'm an effing rider. You don't want to F with me, okay? Dana, can you play back around in front of me?
Starting point is 01:27:48 Wow. I will do anything for love, Dana, but I won't do that. I mean, I won't do that. Luke, forget the Brundage rivalry with both of these guys. Huge rivalry. Ghost striking isn't great. But the disconnect that I think people don't love about him is that I don't know if he realizes that.
Starting point is 01:28:09 Well, he's starting to realize it more, right? Did he do media day yesterday? Yeah, I talked to him. No, no, no. But I'm saying... Not you, fuck up. With the rest of us. The peasants and the coach class.
Starting point is 01:28:20 Are you putting them out and do through college, by the way? That's my second one, bitch ass. Okay. Yeah. I think this might be four or five. What did he say to you guys? Anything of note? I was listening to me honestly.
Starting point is 01:28:31 All right. No, but he was... No, he just, he did say that, and I think this is an interesting thing, and I do think it will help him as fighter. He got humbled, you know, he came in and said, like, he mentioned he's, oh, on aerial show, I said I would always be on the main card, and I'm on the prelims, and I've realized that's where I meant to be sort of thing.
Starting point is 01:28:49 And I do think, like, a lot of guys, especially if they've been very successful in another realm of combat sports, they do need to get a little bit humbled by MMA. So I do think that will help him. I think maybe, to your point, like, you know, he fancied himself as a striker randomly. Maybe now that he's been humbled, he will not
Starting point is 01:29:08 do that and go back to his strength and stuff. So I thought that was the main takeaway. My biggest issue was, if you look at him in the contender series, the one guy he fought that was a Cage CFFC champion, where he hit him with the overhand right and then tackled him and then triangled him, where he's chaining all this offense together, but really it ended on the ground.
Starting point is 01:29:25 I want to see that. Like, Habib had... You're talking about the Zach Barago fight or the Donovan Beard? Donovan Beard. Okay. where he where like Habib had like Islam's got good striking Habib had functional striking at the end of his run but what did he really have? If you had if you got the takedown or got behind
Starting point is 01:29:43 he had both ground and pound and the threat of submissions I want to see Bonneckel build from that you can get we know you can get the takedown that's really not the issue build your offense from there all the way to the feet But don't you think that happens a lot like these guys who have such a wrestling basis like we saw it with I mean maybe a bad example
Starting point is 01:30:01 Ronda, for example, is the best analogy I can make. It's like they were so grappling heavy that the moment they have success in striking, they're like, oh, I'm a strike now, this is more fun. And then they go all in on it, and then they get fucked. And it's like, it's like, Betch-Koheia is not the same as Amanda Nunes. They're both Brazilian, but the challenge is quite different. Yeah, no, that's very fair right there.
Starting point is 01:30:20 I mean, I hope for Bose's sake, you can figure out a path there. And it would be good for American, and frankly, overall MMA if a guy like Bo Neckle could come from Penn State and actually, even through this, like, you want to call it a redemption arc actually turn into something kind of awesome that would be good the sport needs people like that
Starting point is 01:30:38 to actually make why I'll tell you why why are you making that face again dude here's put the camera on me put the camera on me put the camera you can this is you'll literally tell Brian Campbell Brian why do you hate America
Starting point is 01:30:53 no no no no watch this Brian I have something to tell you my whole family died tragically in a house fire and I had to watch here's how he'll look at you when you're telling him You watched your family burn alive. I was going to say that the same issues I had with the service workers in your home city of D.C. In terms of them not getting my humor, I had it. No, they got it.
Starting point is 01:31:15 I had a particular exchange with Bo Nickel where I was like, yo, like everybody's trying to get on the White House card. You know, is there a path for you? And he's like, yeah, you know, I talked to Mr. Trump recently. President Trump, please, Brian. Yeah, I'm one of his favorite fighters. And I was like, yeah, what's going on with Trump in like that Home Depot gold level? May that he's putting all over the Oval Office. I'm like, it's kind of tacky.
Starting point is 01:31:33 And then he was like, I believe Mr. Trump has very good taste. Wow, that didn't land. That didn't land. I was like, oh, DC coffee service providers. You should have been like, I'm more of a Lowe's guy anywhere. Yeah, so, you know, it didn't go anywhere humor-wise. But I'm cheering. Okay, you know what?
Starting point is 01:31:51 That was funny. I'm cheering from Booneckle just the same. And of all the things you could have brought up, you know, his taste in, you know. In gold? Architecture was the worst thing you could say. I mean, I could have, yeah, enough for that. Let's go to Roman Koppilov against Hobocop. It's just kind of a banger in the middle here.
Starting point is 01:32:06 Just a complete fucking CTE banger. We shouldn't call that anymore. Do you like Roman copy love's like very curly hair? By the way, one of the few guys picking Islam to win, probably because they're both Russian or whatever, but I did see that. As someone who's follically challenged, I do not like his curly hair. It makes me jealous. Okay, but you're fighting a good fight right now.
Starting point is 01:32:26 I thought I was going to be gum for ages, but this is just a fucking vertical cover. Have you booked your flight to Turkey yet, bitch? I promised my mom I wouldn't go to Turkey. Why? She's very racist, I guess. I don't know, but she just said she doesn't trust them over that. They'll fix your shit.
Starting point is 01:32:40 Who had some good times in Turkey? I did have good times. Did you really? You know what? Did you really? The only issue is you can just buy alcohol. There's clubs and bars. It's a little expensive.
Starting point is 01:32:50 They put like an extra tax on it. But it's like if you want to get fucked up and roam around, like, it's cool. You can do it. That's not all I do. I mean that's fucking mostly what you do I mean I did when I'm going to Qatar next week and I did Google if you can drink there and you can you can in hotels have you been to cutter
Starting point is 01:33:06 no I lived in cutter did you really my dad was a diplomat yeah no my dad was a diplomat no my dad was a diplomat you know that Luke was born in a new deli in India wow so you're not even American really I am American no Indian citizenship I've never had Indian citizenship okay uh let's talk about this women's flyway about. It's a rematch from the regional days. Here we go. Bigwops. And Aaron Blanchfield believes that this is her path back to the title level and injured title shot. Even though
Starting point is 01:33:38 the former Hammer of the Month has that one pro defeat against Minon Faroe. And it was humbling to some degrees. I mean, she kept trying for the takedown, but her striking got exposed on that level. She welcomes a Tracy Cortez who beat her on the regionals when Aaron Blanchfield was very young. Now they're going to rematch. Cortez has a great record. But has that loss in there to Rosamai Yunus. Blanchfield's fresh off of beating Rosamai Yunis. What does all of that mean in terms of what we're looking at here? Because hated or love it, this fight is a contender's fight here to push one of them fairly high up, Luke.
Starting point is 01:34:12 And I think it's going to be an interesting match. I don't know what to make of this one. Cortez has had, I think, a decent run in UFC, but not one that's been spectacular. Right. Blanchfield was one that kind of jumped out to us, but then kind of came back to Earth. and now we're trying to sort where they are. I feel like Blanchfield has had to fight better opposition, and even though she lost against Fioro,
Starting point is 01:34:34 like the kind of experiences that are going to give me the sense that she may have just a little bit of a competitive edge on it. But Cortez, here's the problem with Cortez. She starts out real strong and then kind of, she doesn't like fall apart, but she kind of fades a little bit over the course of about. And I feel like against Blanchefield, that could be a problem. I feel like
Starting point is 01:34:54 I'm going back to yesterday at Media Day where Islam said you know I have plan A, B, C and D I feel like Tracy has plan A and then if that doesn't work you sort of see her almost stagnate in the fight you know what I mean? She sort of goes oh fuck it's not working
Starting point is 01:35:09 so to your point that's what I think happens to her this fight I actually believe is probably like a contender fight right it really is because I feel like we go back to the matchmaking and this is maybe a bit sort of behind the scenes these two are like
Starting point is 01:35:23 to me it feels like the promotion is trying to push these two Tracy is very marketing a huge push on social lately by that she's very marketable and she's six and one in her last seven she bounced back from the Rose defeat to defeat Viviana Arrucho
Starting point is 01:35:34 she has beaten Jasmine Jazz DeVisius good wins but it's a step down her wins below I mean she fought Justin Kish but there's only a split decision win nobody shoot their pants in that fight
Starting point is 01:35:44 in the same way in the same way Paul Ocasio Romero look grey on the poster her and down look grey on the poster too that's very true I think Aaron Blanchefield's the better fighter even though Blanchfield lost by split decision in 2019 in LFA at a different time in their career.
Starting point is 01:35:58 Is this going to be a humbling fight for Tracy Cortez if she ends up getting taken down and beaten in top position because that's Aaron's strength. That's when the cold blood comes out. Yeah, I mean, I think any kind of loss like that would be humbling. Ruinous, no. Does she have the takedown defense is what I'm asking? I think for parts of it she will be.
Starting point is 01:36:15 Consistently that I doubt. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Interesting matchup right there. Are you guys siced at all for Bannamweight Malcolm Wellmaker's rise in his fight against Cody Haddon. I'm fucking high on Welmaker. Let's go to this guy because I know he's high on Wellmaker.
Starting point is 01:36:30 No, he's high. I was just saying I hate this fight. And Wellmaker actually said it yesterday at Media Day. He's like, I don't know why they're putting two prospects against each other. But like shit, all right, we got to go. Like, I almost feel like they could have had three more fights and fought each other when they were ranked or something. Like I maybe I'm too high on Cody Hadden, but I feel like he's legit. and this is probably Wellmaker's stuff is test.
Starting point is 01:36:51 Wellmaker can fucking thump. He's fun. He's super fun. Dude, he's fucking sick. By the way, we know you like a good drink. Do you get down with the... Marijuana? With the left-handed cigarettes?
Starting point is 01:37:03 Do you know, it's funny, actually. I smoked my first joint in like five years last week in New Zealand, and I peaked for five hours. So, no. Not really. Is it legal in New Zealand? No. I think medicinally.
Starting point is 01:37:16 I don't know. If you switch over to that, though? I've tried to become a stoner to sort of like chill out. Yes. It's not working for me, though. I'm more of a upper guy. He'd rather burn out than fade away, and I respect that. I want to just burn out.
Starting point is 01:37:31 Burry me and smoke. Yeah, that's great. Is Cody Hatton on this, hadn't on this level? Well, I don't think we know yet, right? I think, but again, it's almost like, well-makers problem is almost the aspirin situation where he's winning so quickly and decisively that, you get a weird gauge
Starting point is 01:37:51 for his skill level and then when he doesn't look as good as that against Cyril which he would look okay people overreact so I wonder if Wellmaker goes out there and then maybe gets to a decision this time people are going to be like oh he's not actually that good you know what I mean I think
Starting point is 01:38:03 but I to your like for his weight class the technique and power he hits with is fucking unbelievable yeah he's he's fun a special I don't know we'll see but definitely fun A featured early prelim goes in the middleweight division.
Starting point is 01:38:20 I don't hate this fight. Kyle Dawkes versus GM3. God bless Kyle Dawkins. I love Kyle Dawkins. He had a up and down run, you know, in his first go. Yes. Went back to the regional scene and just plugged away and plugged away and plugged away. And then finally he's back.
Starting point is 01:38:33 He had a great win in his UFC return. Michel Panetta, he knocked him out. Yes. I just love him. Five in a row. I love his story. I love his moxie. He's actually pretty skilled.
Starting point is 01:38:44 You know, he's not one of these guys who's like some scrub who's just kind of hanging on. He's got some ability to definitely. compete. Whether he'll win, I don't know, but I like, I like Caledoccas a lot. Will you enjoy this fight or not? I don't know. I mean, I won't hate it. It won't be like... I'm feeling these marmaladeus, right, too. Then let's keep it moving to the featherweight division.
Starting point is 01:39:04 Pat Sabatini, at 35 years old, has won three or four. It's not over. He welcomes Chepe Mariscall. Well, geriatric. Chepe, they're trying to see what the upside is. Sabatini, if you're not on the level, he'll find out. He'll audit you. He's got good backpacking. He can ride. You know, he can do those kinds of things.
Starting point is 01:39:23 But, you know, when he went, when he moved up, what's the one lost there? Correct my memory or refresh it? Which man, Pat? Sabatini, yeah. He got knocked out by Diego Lopez. Right. So he moves up a little bit and then he got smashed. And I think he's very talented.
Starting point is 01:39:36 And I like his game. But they're using him more as a test to see what they've got in Chipe. What do you think about this women's strawweight battle as 40-year-old Angela Hill puts her 18 and 15 record against. I love Angela Hill, too, against Fatima Klein. She's 40 and still in good shape, still training. She was showing abs at the media. Still has a good attitude. No, I don't mean it in a gross way.
Starting point is 01:39:57 I mean, like, she's... You know how you bet it. How would that be a gross way? She has a reaction? I don't know. I don't know. Is that racist? What was that?
Starting point is 01:40:06 No, sexist. It was sexist. Okay, all right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Fatima Klein was hanging out with... I think she trains with Aaron Blanchfield.
Starting point is 01:40:16 They were doing the media rounds together. I wonder if this is an opportunity for Fatima to make a leap hair against her name. I don't know what to say about Angela's career except I just appreciate her perseverance. Whether she'll win every designated bout she's in. She's up and down, right? Yeah, very, very. Like if she wins one, she loses one, she wins one, she loses one. But the fact that she's hanging around this long, dude, she was part of the ultimate fighter, what, 20 when the season, when they pulled everyone off from Invicta?
Starting point is 01:40:45 Like, you know, she's still at her doing her thing. I don't know. I don't know if she'll win, but I respect what she's trying. Klein has won two in a row since losing her UFC debut to Jazz DeVisius. Is this a story or is this just a fight? Just be honest. I think it's just a fight. I think Angela Hill is someone that fight fans should appreciate because she fights anyone.
Starting point is 01:41:06 She gives her the best every time and win or lose like she comes to fight. I mean, I think she made the comparisons herself to Cowboy Soroni. Yes. And, you know, the sport needs those people. Have you fathered children on a level of cowboy olivera? Have I fathered children? None that I speak to. All right.
Starting point is 01:41:23 Well, that's interesting. To close, we've got two more fights, but I don't know if you care. I mean, I'm going to open the curtain jerker excitedly with Slava Clause against Mateus Camillo. I have a train in an hour. But what about Bisongar? I wondered why you were like. Sue Serkayev. He's making a little bit of noise.
Starting point is 01:41:40 Bison Gare. I'm a little bit less sold on him. The middleweight. He's got Eric. Mick Conoco in front of him So he should win this fight And he's got good skills But he's a little too hitable
Starting point is 01:41:51 And he's way overselling how good he thinks he is That could be a problem Maybe not today Maybe not today But Long Island Luke, you love Bisongar Nah, but he's the biggest favorite on the card He's like minus 1,000 Yeah, don't get me wrong
Starting point is 01:42:04 I'm not saying he's gonna get tripped up here But his attitude is a little Nicolish All right All right, let's put a Bo Nichlish Yeah Let's put a wrap on this fantastic show and a great performance
Starting point is 01:42:17 I've ever... Oh, fantastic. I like to thank you. I'm going to skip the press conference. I'm going to get fucked up now. Yes. Long Island, Luke, we can catch your live show theatrics
Starting point is 01:42:29 over there at the main card minute with one Gaffney Pierre, correct? Correct. Gaff and I are hitting McSorley's after this. Oscar, if you want to continue getting some guns. Otherwise, I was going to say top quiz.
Starting point is 01:42:39 Have you been to McSorley? No? No? It's the oldest bar in New York City. Maybe the oldest bar in America. And they have two beers, light and dark. That's it. And you have to order two at a time. They don't let you.
Starting point is 01:42:48 Yeah, that's fine. And there's sawdust all over the ground. Go to the ATM. You'll need cash. I'll snort the saw dust. I wanted to say, though. Wow. Jose versus Ben the Bain for $100 on the line tomorrow,
Starting point is 01:43:01 $130 p.m. Is that the championship? That's the championship. And then winner will face BC. For like $10. Like really hold down the title. For like $101. You know what I feel like?
Starting point is 01:43:10 A diamond of our media that you're so successful in this. Well, yeah, I feel like. like I'm hoist Gracie fighting Matt Hughes, where it's like, oh, that's the guy that won back in the day when like, no, when like everyone was going to ask. It is. It is. Jose Young's goes to everything. If he doesn't know these answers, he's a bitch. I mean, I do know how to play this game, though.
Starting point is 01:43:26 I do know how to work the board. Paylee. No, no, nothing, nothing nefarious like that. So, yeah, we'll, we'll check that out. Okay, Luke Thomas, can people expect on the Luke Thomas? Tomorrow I have a live chat at 11 a.m. Then live tape study on my substack at 1.30 p.m. Let's go.
Starting point is 01:43:41 Let's go. Get fired up. No post show. Oh, yeah. Watch along for the full main card and a post-fight show on Saturday. I'll be covering at MSG. You can check me out on CBS Sports HQ before and after the fight. You're going to be at the arena. I will be at the arena Saturday night. Not for this event. But we're going to come out.
Starting point is 01:43:58 Seems weird. Guns blazed in January right there. Seems weird. You wouldn't have a camera right. Before we find out whether Oscar will be there Saturday, I wanted to tell you about morning combat. That shop. Of course, the November exclusive is still available, the dripping wet logo. The Combat Buddies, don't forget, one lucky purchaser of an autographed poster will get Oscar Willis's autograph on the groin of Luke Thomas. And look at that great combat buddy creation. You look constipated.
Starting point is 01:44:23 What a great shirt on him. And a camel to. Thank you. Morningcombat. Shop. Get one for your abuela before she kicks it. Also, thank you to the MacLife's Oscar Willis. Saturday night.
Starting point is 01:44:35 You want anything about your coverage we should be looking for this week? Nah. Same old. MacLive.com? Yeah, maclive.com. YouTube, biggest, biggest outlet in the game, built on my back. God, I'm a G. Are you going to party with Craig Jones this week?
Starting point is 01:44:47 Tonight. Are you really? Yeah, I'll probably just go straight. Why don't you pieces of shit invite me? I'm cool with you both. You can come through. I got to go home to me with my kid. Do you know one time?
Starting point is 01:44:55 Wait, we'll, we'll tell that story? Will any women of the night be present tonight? Yeah, probably. I think. When you come to, hey, when you come to D.C. for the White House car, we have to, we have to hang out. All right. Dude, one time in Boston, I fucking just didn't go to bed and went straight. to official weigh-ins after a night out with Craig.
Starting point is 01:45:12 And I remember as Al Jemate Sterling was weighing in, I started having a panic attack and being like, maybe I should change my lifestyle. And I haven't yet, but anyway. Wow. This could be the intervention he's looking for. Yeah, I'm a family guy. I have a kid and a wife, and I like, I like sleep.
Starting point is 01:45:28 I like sleep. Looks like, I like passing out my own bed. Yeah, I like farting in the bed and going to sleep. I get it. The king of the Dutch oven, he's Luke Thomas. Thank you very much. Enjoy the fights this weekend. Thank you to our great sponsors, of course, Cuervo.
Starting point is 01:45:42 Big thanks to Quervo. Total Wireless Draft Kings. Thank you to everybody watching on the Draft Kings Network. We totally enjoyed this tradition on El Blanco today. This was real talk like men did. Also, thank you. Enjoy the fight cards this weekend. Follow us.
Starting point is 01:45:58 Follow us. Back here Monday. Follow us some more. We'll be back here Monday, 11 a.m. Eastern on the YouTube to break it all down. Oscar Willis will be on a plane back to Las Vegas. Right. I won't I'll be on a plane and get to Qatar. You're flying from here to Qatar?
Starting point is 01:46:11 You are living the real road lifestyle. I know. This is like a trucker. Do you do the bit where you get like all the miles on one airline? Yeah, but Delta doesn't fucking fly anywhere, so I have to like change airlines, so not really. I was platinum this year. I won't be next year. Sad.
Starting point is 01:46:26 Sad. What is it? What do you? I mean, what's going to happen in Qatar at nighttime with you? Depends how dad doesn't. It's a modern country, dude. No, they have an Irish bar in the hotel. I didn't check.
Starting point is 01:46:36 It's a modern country. It depends how dad does. We're talking more about hard drugs. Oh. I've been told. I've been told that they have a lot of prostitutes and drugs there. Okay, so you'll fit in there. You should not say this on the before you've crossed customs.
Starting point is 01:46:50 We do appreciate your... I've been told. I didn't say I was going to partake. I mean, you know, you've been on the show before. You've been in two different documentaries, number five and six. Yeah, you have. You know, number five in Cleveland. Yeah, it was great.
Starting point is 01:47:02 It was great. Thank you for your contributions to this program. Thank you for having you. Yeah. Yeah. Oscar Wilde, everybody. He's got six years left on this planet. Enjoy them all.
Starting point is 01:47:14 Thank you very much. For L.T. and Oscar and the LIL, it's B.C. Shout out to No Deer. No Ken today. Shout out to the other guy who is Ken today. He's hard to. Matt Snyder, we love him as well.
Starting point is 01:47:26 Take care of yourselves up here. Okay? It's almost the Thanksgiving time, the best holiday of the year. Get ready. Enjoy it. 322 this weekend. We are out of it.
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