MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC 323 Pregame Preview: Dvalishvili vs. Yan 2 Presented By Cuervo® | Morning Kombat

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

We're back for another Pregame Preview, with Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas and friend of the show Jed Meshew, live in studio on a Monday edition of Morning Kombat. The guys dive into the main event of U...FC 323, a Bantamweight title fight featuring Merab Dvalishvili and former champion Petr Yan. The co-main event sees the Flyweight championship on the line between current champion Alexandre Pantoja and Joshua Van. The guys break down the rest of the card including Brandon Moreno vs. Tatsuro Taira, Henry Cejudo vs. Payton Talbott and Jan Błachowicz vs. Bogdan Guskov. This edition of Pregame Preview is sponsored by Cuervo.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. Revely, revely. Look at us now, tip to tip. Oh, Jesus. Oh, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Do you want a margarita? God.
Starting point is 00:00:31 It's us doing what we love. It's time to bang. Oh, yeah, like only men can do. It's Monday morning, December 1st of the 25s, and it's time for some day drinking. Morning Combat UFC 323, pregame preview. Brought to you by Quare of O'Brien Campbell. Luke Thomas, our special guest this week, so happy.
Starting point is 00:01:00 to have him back from MMAfighting.com, a great website. Former. Wait, put that shot back. Wait, you can't be an ex-marine. Well, can you be an ex-attorney? You can be a just-born piece of shit. Jed Meshu Numero Dose in the house. Jed, welcome.
Starting point is 00:01:19 Thanks for having me, guys. He started off so aggressively. I didn't set a word. I'm tired! Wow, this should be a wild one. You know, the time I got up this morning? I couldn't go back to fucking sleep. 220.
Starting point is 00:01:33 220, I got up. Okay, that's, wow. I'm tired, bro. Huh? When'd you go to bed? 10. American politics just swirling in your brain. No.
Starting point is 00:01:42 Just fucking Amtrak makes me depressed. Thank you very much. All right. Well, we are going to bang, too, e, and have a great show for you. One quick disclaimer, though, Jed. I know you're kind of new around here. This isn't your normal preview. We're not going to protect a lot of people except for my future employment, of course.
Starting point is 00:01:59 This will be a preview delivered exclusively with Real Talk. Like Mendo? Like Mendoo. Yeah, yeah, all right. I've never liked that. And you keep doing it six years later. I think that might be why he keeps doing this. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:16 You know, that's, yeah, okay, enough of that stuff. Please like the show. Subscribe to what we're doing here on the MK. We're hitting you a little early this week on Fight Week with pregame preview. Of course, though, we'll be back on Friday, but you can subscribe to our YouTube channels. and follow us on the socials. And hey, guys, it's December 1st.
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Starting point is 00:03:27 Yes, head on over to our, look at that, hot dog. on the way on the belt line there too on the BC awesome shit going on there go over to morning combat dad shop thank you very much this program by the way is brought to us by Quervo so fellas we're gonna of course get into all things UFC 323
Starting point is 00:03:45 the final pay per view of 2025 for the UFC and maybe ever given their current format which ends on ESPN this month starts on Paramount CBS in early 2026 we're also going to react to those first Paramount Cardin on the But before we do that, why don't we kick off here, okay?
Starting point is 00:04:03 And why don't I tell you something here? This UFC 323 pregame preview is brought to you by Cuervo. Now is a good time to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila. So let's enjoy that. Luke, you want to help yourself? Yes, please. Get a little bit of that blanco going on your white ass. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Oh, you've cashed that one. All right. Yes. Taught me there while. Here you go first. You want me to pour it? Yeah. You already have it.
Starting point is 00:04:29 I had some Cuevo last night with the great Jose Youngs. Okay, so maybe we should talk about that. I have to give respect. Despite crashing out at the end of the episode due to my over-competiveness, Jose Youngs did take me to the Woodshed, the season two champion of the main card minutes. He has to win that because he's the one attending all these bullshit-ass toys. So congratulations to Jose.
Starting point is 00:04:53 Personally, I love him, but competitively I want to fist fight him. I just want you to know that, okay? Hey, look, that's, I mean, that like men do. Yeah, that is. Hang on, fuck, faces. So, Luke Thomas will mix his chase right here. Hey, he gave himself a healthy poor. He did.
Starting point is 00:05:08 I can support him this time. Yeah, you guys act like I end up having more than you, bitch. I doubt that, okay? Oh, I don't. When Jed's here, I've had a few four-shot. Yeah. All right, four-shot, no. All right, here we go.
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Starting point is 00:05:31 like I'm a consternished by how good Cuervo is all right woo you fired up now I am fired up got a little juice in you
Starting point is 00:05:41 we got a lot to get into today before we get into UFC 323 the final paper view of the year while we were sleeping while we were holidaying hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving weekend black Friday whatever holidays you celebrate there
Starting point is 00:05:56 shout out to all you non-US members who did nothing this weekend. Thank you to Shaq Majori for covering all my shifts in CBS sports. That Canadian fella. How many times did he text you about it? None, but I did retweet him just in case. Did you?
Starting point is 00:06:08 No, I'm kidding. Hey, you covered Canadian Thanksgiving for him, I'm sure. I'm sure I did that for him. So we did get some announcements here. The first card of the Paramount Era for UFC will go down January 24th, T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. Pretty stacked card, top to bottom,
Starting point is 00:06:25 a lot of names. The criticism on the spin, off, though obviously had to do with the choice of the main event. Armand Suruki and the number one contender at Lightway will not get the title shot. Neither will the champion, by the way, Ilya, who said, for personal reason, it's going to have to take some time off. Luke, I know you don't want to talk about failed relationships here and the dating of these fighters. I don't mind talking about it as a factor that contributes to his athletic life.
Starting point is 00:06:46 I just don't care about the details of us. We tend to believe maybe a divorce or separation in his private life relationship-wise is going to keep him out of action. So the UFC went in the direction instead of Patty Pimblit versus Justin Gachie. for the interim lightweight title over what an adult response the co-main event a historic one as the as the women's go Amanda Nunes comes out of retirement to face former teammate Kayla Harrison for the Bannonway title a lot of good fights underneath that and then you hear rumors I don't know if it's official at the following week can be back-to-back PLEs in this era uh UFC heading to Australia for you that's not the Dana confirmed that oh UFC 325 which will be Alexander Volcanowski in a rematch for the featherweight title with Diego Lopez
Starting point is 00:07:27 despite Moves, sorry, Eve Lowe, Lerone Murphy, a lot of us thinking, we're going to break that down, but, but got a little bit spicy back and forth with the competitors involved, so spicy that, yeah, yeah, we got on the horn and called our friends at Tuervo for a little something we call Shots Fire. Yeah, of course, Shots Fire is presented by Cuervo. Now is a good time to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Before we get our guest, Jed Mishu's reaction to this, Let's go to the videotape Armand Saruky and caught up with ESPN's Brett Okamoto to react to him being left out of the next title show. I knew. I already knew Patty going to fight with Ilya to Pura in January. But I didn't know they're going to put, they're going to do interim title versus Gagie and Patty. They already set up that all things. Elya didn't fight. And I think this is, you see game plan.
Starting point is 00:08:27 like a family issue or something is they want to make Star Petty Pimlet to fight for the title with Tupria has a bigger name and make it like a big fight manager they already know that they want to make the fight I already knew that four or five months ago
Starting point is 00:08:49 they told me no it's going to happen like be ready like they know I could beat everybody that's why they didn't give me title fight. Patty for me, it's an easy work. Justin, it's an easy work. Ely, easy work. Bullshit guy
Starting point is 00:09:05 like a petty. He beat just one rank number 12 and like he, they made the fake ranking and put him on the five, but I hope Justin going to beat his ass, kick his ass, and we're going to forget about
Starting point is 00:09:21 Petty. Justin, if you need the help, let me know, I'll fly it to you and help you. I mean, I want him win, you know, and that bullshit guy, I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. By the way, Pim. Call someone a bullshit guy is great. That's a deep guy.
Starting point is 00:09:36 Pimbley will be fighting his first opponent under the age of 38 in three years against the 37-year-old Justin Gaci. Before we get some reaction here, Ilya did jump in on the socials saying, Patty, win your next fight. Hands up, chimed down, and Armand Peta, this dance is for you. I don't get, I don't get, I don't get, oh, let's see the dance. Yeah, yeah. This is BC at his prom, by the way.
Starting point is 00:10:01 That looks like me at our London podcast festival live show to be fair. It actually, it actually does. The puzzle pieces in the back are quite nice. Okay. Let's start right here with our guests. Jedmishu, I'm sure you reacted to this, and I'm going to guess maybe it was negative. Why is Armand getting the shaft here? I mean, the cynical answer is they don't want him to potentially beat Elliot Dupuria.
Starting point is 00:10:25 I thought it was they don't want him to be Patty You're saying even further They don't want him to be I'llia I mean I think the The cleanest view that I have on this And I could totally be wrong But I don't know It's like once Armand beat the shit out of
Starting point is 00:10:39 I mean he He dumped Dan Hooker right Once he does that He has to be the guy to fight Ilya next Unless There's an interim champion Because that guy naturally gets preference So let's have you know
Starting point is 00:10:53 Patty and Gaichi fight and that's why Armin Sarukin's not fighting for an interim belt because they would rather Ilya not fight Armin which he could win I think we all think Ilya could beat Armin but I also think we all acknowledge that's his toughest fight so let's give him an easier one whenever we do get Ilya back in there that feels to me like the simplest answer look is this punishment for Armand fighting just once
Starting point is 00:11:15 each of the last three years pulling out of the title shot in January during fight week with a back injury during weight cut issues and let's say it having enough family money where he can fly private, eat camel after a win, and negotiation-wise, not be subject to the same pushing and pulling from the UFC because he has that leverage? Or is it as simple of what Jed's saying? They think that he might crush Patty, not to mention might take the title for Milliam. I mean, the reality is this is not super complicated to figure out. If the promotion really likes you, you will get fast-tracked. And if they don't, you will get, yes, you will get
Starting point is 00:11:48 slow-tracked. I mean, this is not new. This is not very controversial to say. Now, there are other factors as you indicate BC they clearly they want to put some muscle and some energy behind patty pimbleau fair enough also on its own terms i don't think any of us would argue patty versus gaecchi is somehow a bad fight no patty needs patty needs a fight like this i think this fight makes total sense i think this fight's not as a headlin in this fight the location of it is weird but i also i even totally get why they're doing it like i get this being the main event over it's it's weird to hold that competing idea of like this is the greatest woman's fight of all time but it's not as important as an interim title fight between two men but like I get it this is their first event
Starting point is 00:12:33 that this is the first paramount event they the idea is going to be bringing in new people right like here are new fans who have never had the product there's no pay-per-view barrier to entry it's at an earlier start time like CBS is going to get people in on it you don't want to end that event with what could be a snoozer because Caleb versus Amanda could be a boring fight for a casual observer, I would bet you anything you want to bet right now that Justin Gaichi fighting Patty Pimble, it's going to be fun as hell for however long it goes. Like, it's Justin Gaichy. He is the most proven commodity for ending the night well.
Starting point is 00:13:07 What about Gaichi Armin? I mean, that could be boring because Armand might just tackle. Just run over him. Yeah. And by might, I mean, I think the overwhelming likelihood is that. The only reason they didn't do Armin Gaichie was because they want to build Patty into a star. They want to give him almost Conner treatment. They want it to be a unification when he,
Starting point is 00:13:23 he does fight Elya. But Luke, does this mean that if you're armin, you're essentially, you're definitely going to have to take another fight, right? Or you're going to be out for six to nine months. But like you said, he's got family money. He doesn't have to fight for money. He can just sit. I know, but he kind of has to fight just to keep his weapons sharp.
Starting point is 00:13:41 You know what I mean? Like, he might lose the entire year. I mean, consider something, right? He almost lost the entire last year until Hooker. So understand. So they're going to have this fight in January. Then there's going to have to be some kind of time. title unification. Now, that could happen at the White House. Let's assume on that calendar
Starting point is 00:13:57 that it does. So then you have it in mid-June. And then the winner of that will have to defend against Armin, except here's a problem. What if somebody gets injured? What if there's some kind of weird result and they have to do some kind of automatic rematch or, you know, some kind of way where it delays, if I'm Armin, I'm planning on 2027, there's just no way to expedite this. And the thing I'm going to say about this is, look, if you get booked for a UFC title fight and you fumble it, whether it was an injury that was accidental or you missed wait, whatever it was, what the UFC counts on is, did you cross the finish line to help us make this fight possible? Did the train leave the station? Or were you Amtrak and Luke Thomas's
Starting point is 00:14:34 train? Which means you didn't get to shit on time and you fucked up everything. Or were you Osborne and everyone got on board? Or everyone got on board. But the point I'm trying to make is we can all agree that the promotion is going to look at that very unfavorably. My only question is when is Armand Sarjukian's punishment over, right? When do we decide, okay, he's had enough? I don't know what the answer is. It feels like to me they already did that, and he should have been involved in the beginning of,
Starting point is 00:15:01 because by the way, BC, like... He said he'd turn around in two months. He said he would do that. Dude, that fight was not very difficult for him. He ran over Dan Hooker. To me, I understand it. I don't hate the fight as such, but it's going to fuck up things.
Starting point is 00:15:14 They're rob and Peter to pay Paul on this one. I don't love it. And I'm not saying this is a consolation, but Armand would get first. call if something happens between patty and gaichi or if ilia can't come back as early as possible he could be back in that title picture this is not some silent way of setting up ilia versus islam right this isn't freeing to pouria to do that dana said they weren't doing that but if they do that once again if you're armin what when are you getting back into the calendar
Starting point is 00:15:41 you know what i mean and armin retweeted that head-to-head like tale of the tape of him versus Dana that some fan created, which shows you the anger that he rightfully has at this moment. Is there any silver lining to this matchmaking from the idea, and I'm sounding like company man right here, but I'm giving you the devil's advocate side of it. Is there any side of you that's saying, I don't necessarily love this announcement or the Volk Diego Lopez 2 announcement? But we want them to get back into building stars, do we not? Let me say this one.
Starting point is 00:16:08 And if you're going to slow play Elia versus Patty, I'd rather slow play Elia versus Patty then rush it out January 24th without a build. My view is this. It's that, again, to the point you raise, there are ways to look at that and be like, there's some sense of, there's some sense to this matchmaking. The Lopez one is a little harder to justify for me,
Starting point is 00:16:27 but again, we'll talk about that in a minute. My issue is that what was the first pay-per-view in the ESPN area? Do you guys remember? Was it a Holly Holm, Brooklyn? Or was it? No, no. It was UFC 236, which was the one you attended. Atlanta. It was the first,
Starting point is 00:16:43 paper view in the ESPN. No, that was not. That was like in June. I looked it up this morning. That was in June that fight. Okay, please double check this. It was in May or June? Yeah, I'll look it up. Please double check this. I would never believe that was the first paper view. It was the first paper view. I don't believe it. It was the first number of event. It was the second meeting between Holloway and Max. My point being, well, first of all, before I can go any further, we have to just, we have to make sure. Look at the Wikipedia entry for UFC 236, please, and read out what it says. Because I did this earlier. Are you trusting Wikipedia now, Luke? Well, a little bit. I'm just telling you right now I went to Suhudo Dilleshaw first because we know that was the first event. It was in Brooklyn. I was there for that. So there was a scheduled UFC 233 after that that did not happen. It was canceled that was also supposed to be Suhudo Dilleshaw. Okay. A couple of fight nights here UFC 234 Adasagna versus Silva. That was the first and the U.S.A. Australia. Yeah, that was February 2019. Okay. Let me double check this. Okay. Let me double check this. Okay. Let me double check this. Because we do have to double check this. Okay. Let me double check this. Because we do have to double check this. Because we do have to.
Starting point is 00:17:43 kind of put this to wraps to get into this weekend's card. But what's the justification on Volk versus Lopez, too? Is that just to give an exciting Brazilian-Mexican guy who can cross both countries a chance to go out there and do it a second time even though he lost to Molfsar Evlov
Starting point is 00:17:59 who was more deserving than him right now? I'm with Luke's argument on the other thing. Oh, it's the first one. 236. ESPN Plus became the exclusive distributor of the UFC pay-per-view. Okay, never mind. Hold on. I'll come back to this. Look, dead wrong. Get ready for Friday, folks.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Dead, dead wrong. Fucking shit. There's no way to really justify this fight, but I think the way it happened is what Luke said earlier. Like, they like Diego Lopez? He said yes a lot. I was right. In the U.S. per an extension of its rights agreement
Starting point is 00:18:30 with ESPN through 2025, ESPN Plus became the exclusive distributor of the UFC paper views for residential customers beginning at UFC 236. Because they extended the deal shortly after it started. So there was a... They had a deal. They had a five-year deal, then they put a two-year deal.
Starting point is 00:18:44 And then they kicked it to seven. Yeah. Well, what was the first one that you had to have the ESPN? I thought it was, uh, holly versus GDR. I was there for that one. Was it that one? That's what I thought. I thought that was the first pay-per-view and it wasn't good.
Starting point is 00:18:55 So this is the first one after the extension, but this is 2019? Yeah, and didn't kick off in 2018? The original deal? No, that was Brooklyn 2019. I was there for that one. January 2019. Why is this relevant? I don't fucking know.
Starting point is 00:19:08 I don't fucking know. I don't fucking know. Holly Durand to me, by the way, was UFC 208. So that was way, that was way Foxy. That's ESPN era, isn't it? No. No, no, no, no, no, no, because 234, we just said was February of 2019, which is the first year of ESPN. You know who's sure about that?
Starting point is 00:19:22 Are we sure that's the first year of ESPN? Yeah, exactly. He would know this shit. He would know this medium. All right. To close on Lopez Volcanovsky. I understand that Murphy and Evelo Ever are not sexy. What about Aljo?
Starting point is 00:19:35 But Murphy took a sexy win to get into this point. Aljo's case for the title shot is decent, not great. No, it's better. than Lopez, who has the worst case for a title shot of all time. Dude, they should have done Aljo. You're right. They should have done Aljo. Nobody would have complained about that. Former champion, name value. A fight we haven't seen yet. If you still want to make Murphy and Eveloev fight each other, that's fine. How does Lopez get to cut the line like this coming off of it?
Starting point is 00:19:58 Oh, I don't, I can't justify Lopez cutting the line. I'm just saying, I don't know that Sterling is the top choice either. Why not? It's just, they clearly just don't want to give it to Lorone and Evloev for whatever reason. Like, I don't believe Evelov's ever going to fight for the belt. They seem to hate him for whatever reason. Yes, they clearly seem to hate him. I don't know why Murphy's not getting it.
Starting point is 00:20:19 He had so much momentum. They're not doing it. This is the most, not the, I honestly think it's the second worst title shot ever given in the modern era. Wow. I think Mosvidal Usman 2 was worse because that fight had no bearing
Starting point is 00:20:33 on anything. This feels, don't forget, Holly Holm got the GDR fight off of two defeats. Yeah, well, Josie Aldo also The GDR fight was because Chris Cyborg wouldn't play ball And they did That's at least like
Starting point is 00:20:48 Although got the Yon fight It's also bad Yeah, but he actually won So it's fine He didn't beat Mauritian that first time Anyway, uh, thank you so much That looks like he beat Mara Blanchevich You can talk about
Starting point is 00:20:57 You heard his name earlier Let's say hi to the fourth member of our team today The producer, director, Bong enthusiast Yeah, I got to say it Son of a horned up Ozzie Who over Thanksgiving, I'm told by Long Island Luke no seat
Starting point is 00:21:11 and he can confirm here that his father approached him about this subject what? It was brought up at the dinner table he said something like oh I want to come into your office one day and I said dad they would fucking love
Starting point is 00:21:22 if you came into the office because they want to talk to you he means arriving or does he mean like whatever way you want to take because that's just and then he said yeah they got to meet a horned up Aussie or something he said basically quoted it
Starting point is 00:21:35 and I was like oh god embarrassed so it got to him but he didn't seem he didn't seem upset about it. You look bothered by this. Man who jacks off into register comes into money. That's disgusting. All right. Hey, great to see you, Luke. I didn't want to shit on your show earlier.
Starting point is 00:21:49 I was just looking to shit on my loss to Jose, but what is the future of prop quiz after I just got, you know, I mean, look, I got some issues with you, but I won't bring him up here. I mean, Jose is the champion. We move on from that. BC, we'd love to get you, maybe you want to join this new bracket. We do have a new bracket
Starting point is 00:22:05 going, you know, you can get in there again. I need some time to lick my wounds. All right. They're calling this my own three-gum margarita moment. That's what they're calling it. Is that right? That happened. I've had a couple of those. It was a tough one for you, bud.
Starting point is 00:22:17 It was a tough day for me. All right. Hey, thank you for all that pre-stuff. Now we get into what happens this Saturday. In fact, I think we should shoot to that. I'll say, can we get into another. Velasquez style? Let's go.
Starting point is 00:22:28 We start off, of course, as we always do, as this is the final pay-per-view of the ESPN era, by grading a letter grade on UFC 323 this Saturday. two title fights atop the marquee showcasing the lower weight divisions on the men's side and a lot of names. Like, I just completely forgot that Edson Barbosa and Marvin Vittoria are on the early prelims of this event.
Starting point is 00:22:51 Jed, the guest, as Luke checks his email, I think. Give me. Maybe checks his stocks. I'm looking at this ESPN report. The deal begins at UFC 236 on April 13th. Luke cannot let this go. ESPN plus to be the exclusive home of U.S. who paid with new events.
Starting point is 00:23:05 Luke cannot let this go. Well, okay, I'm happy to. I'm originally using it to make some point about this, like, first of it. The only temerity, right? Oh, by the way, side. This is March 18th, 2019. ESPN Plus will be the exclusive distributor of UFC pay-per-view events in the United States through 2025. The first event will be UFC 236 on April 13th, which is headlined by Holloway-Porye.
Starting point is 00:23:26 So you're saying there was not a pay-per-view for the UFC. There was 234, yes. But what I'm trying to tell you is this deal didn't get consummated until after the fact. I'm looking at this shit. The deal begins at UFC 236 on April motherfuck and 13th. But the first UFC card was January with Dilleshaw and Suhudo. So there were no pay-per-views in between. There were paper views, but they weren't exclusive to the platform.
Starting point is 00:23:43 They weren't exclusive to ESPN. I vaguely remember this. Oh, yeah, because you could buy them on regular pay-per-view as well. My point was, which one was the beginning of the ESPN Plus pay-per-view era for a number of events. It's beginning of the exclusive, but you could also get them starting after the Sukudo-Dilishoff. I see. So they didn't go exclusive until 236. In the end, you're still wrong, but we love you.
Starting point is 00:24:02 You're also kind of right, but more importantly, you're an asshole and this does not match. I just wanted to make sure I understood what the terms were, what the terms were, that's all. To you, to Luke, being correct. Oh, fuck off. I don't care about being wrong. I just wanted to know what the truth was. Anyway, the point I was trying to make those. I always say the same thing to you about 9-11 and you're like, no, we can't talk about that in this show.
Starting point is 00:24:24 The point I was trying to make was the first event that they had to launch the ESPN Plus era featured big names in big important title fights with worthy contenders. Now, Max Holloway moving up. But that didn't launch the ESPN Plus era. For pay-per-view, it's only made it exclusive. You could get it on ESPN Plus before that. But, dude, if you're going to make everyone funnel into one kind of destination for a pay-per-view driver, you want to have big names in order to do that. And what I'm trying to explain is, I can see some of what Paramount is doing with that.
Starting point is 00:24:52 But to me, they're playing with the main events a little bit more to generate that, whereas you got a little bit more organically with the lightweight and the middleweight. Would you agree? At 324. That was the only point I wanted to make from the beginning. Thank you for doing that. Sorry. The rest of the first of the first.
Starting point is 00:25:05 fights on there. It's not a bad thing. I love that Rose Grasso fight. I'm here for the Waldo. The card is stacked. There's some good ass fights. By the way, sneaky ass figurado on that card as well. Rumors of Umar. That's right. So there's a bunch of good fights on the car. Can you grade 323 after
Starting point is 00:25:21 we shoot this? Uh, yeah. Thank you. One more time. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. I'll give it. We're talking about just card quality. I know everything. Um, 323. We're going to get limber over here.
Starting point is 00:25:37 I'll give it a B plus. I'll give it a B plus. There's some depth to do. I mean, I mean, Macy Barber's on. There's a few, like I'm saying, they loaded the names to give you some care level. They did. They did. I think it's, nobody should care about this.
Starting point is 00:25:49 It's a very stupid thing. I think it's perfect. It's a perfectly designed card because it's a hard tightrope to walk. You have to, you don't want to end your, you know, previous broadcast relationship with somebody. I'm just like totally phoned it in. because that seems shitty but you want to stack your new stuff like you want the January slate to be better
Starting point is 00:26:09 so they had to walk a line and I love this card the main event is we'll talk about it obviously it's an objectively good fight but like we've seen it whatever coming of it rips everything else in the main card's good
Starting point is 00:26:22 it's a lot of depth like I intend to have a very good time on Saturday so a minus no bets will be barred when you know bets will be barred casual fans probably aren't going to give a shit about this card, and that's fine, but like for the hardcore, for the people watching this
Starting point is 00:26:36 program, I think this is a very good card. The only reason I wouldn't give it an A-minus is not because I don't disagree with the word of that. I think that's all correct. I just think if we're going to grade cards when they have star power and we give it a boost in grade, we kind of have to knock it a little bit because it doesn't have it. But dude, you've got the best bantam weight ever with the second best
Starting point is 00:26:52 flyweight ever. In two fights that are not bullshit-ass fights. Like, there's a, to the point you raise, Talbot and Suhudo, on down the list. By the way, hello, Marvin Votori is on the early prelimbs on this card. There's a ton of... So that's good.
Starting point is 00:27:07 So that's okay. But like the fact that he's teetering kind of makes it its own drama point. Let's get into it. Let's start with the main event here. History on the line from Rob de Valshviliéi, a pound-for-pound stalwart riding 13... I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:27:21 Sorry, riding a 14-fight win streak since losing his first UFC bouts. He wins on Saturday. He moves into a second-place tie with Kamaro Usman for the longest consecutive streak in UFC history. Even more important, and he can become the first UFC champion in a single calendar year to make four defenses of his title in which he did to open the year against Unbeaten Umar Magamatov,
Starting point is 00:27:41 got O'Malley a second time, got Corey Sanagan, and we'll now turn it around on just a couple months' notice in a rematch with former champ, Piotr Yon. Now, Jan has said when they fought in 2003, the last fight in a stretch in which Yon lost three of four, including three or five, including three in a row right there. Controversely against O'Malley. Four or five.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Yeah, two split. decisions, the DQ loss, and then the unanimous decision lost to the champion Marab before he was champion. What Jan is claiming is he was only 50% in that fight because of a broken right hand. If you check the punch stats, you'll see he barely used his right hand. But Coach John Wood of Camp Marab is like, yo, bro, we also had a broken right hand in that fight and could barely fit the glove over it, and we had a broken toe in the O'Malley rematch, and against Umar, we had a serious back injury mixed with staff infection and an open
Starting point is 00:28:31 wound on our leg that would have pulled almost anybody from this. So while that feels good for Piotr-Yon's chances to say, riding a three-fight win streak, I was injured the last time. Look at who I am since then. Does this injury factoid matter where it did matter in Pereira-onkolaev, too? It did. It did. I didn't think the injury mattered. I thought it mattered that he fought five times in 10 months or whatever like that. He just came in and bulldozed him.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Yeah, but then when he was healthy, he kicked the shit out of him. Yeah, but that's less because his hand is broke. He's just gassed out. Don't give a shit about fighters saying they were injured. You fight or you don't fight. If you show up to fight, I don't really care what condition you were in because we never know what's true, what's not. Everybody comes in less than 100%.
Starting point is 00:29:16 Fiori Ann chose to fight, and he got womped. I rewatch that fight this morning. It's deeply uncompetitive. I'm going to rename my fantasy team that now. Just for funds. Yeah, no, I don't care about that. Care about watching the two guys fight and make a determination on how we feel. With that said, you do expect a more competitive Piotr-Yon.
Starting point is 00:29:38 If not for the change in injury, how about the fact that he's riding a three-fight win-street? I would, I could see a case for him being more competitive, sure. I mean, there was a lot. It's hard to be less competitive. Yeah, I mean, there was 49 attempted takedowns in that fight, 50 perhaps. Let me tell you, I got a text about 10 minutes ago from Aaron Bronstetter. Okay. He says, last time Marab faced Jan, he attempted.
Starting point is 00:29:59 did 49 takedowns, which is the same number as the amount of times LT watched Volt versus Max, too. That's an Aaron, that's a, that's a Canadian A Bronze. He was dunked on me in your, in your DMs. Well, it's true. I mean, there was just an overwhelming flood of attempts and the guy just, again, you can stop half of them. Even if you stop half of his takedowns, you're still giving up nearly 25 fucking takedowns. Again, I'm just sort of speaking in proportions here. I do think there's a lot to improve on. And the big issue for me was if you could, you can see him stop a variety of different take-down attempts that Marab tries, but even
Starting point is 00:30:32 if Marab fails, he just gets to the back. Yeah. Right? And then here's Matt returning you, or he's doing other stuff where he's tripping out the post leg or whatever. So he's got all these different things where all he has to do is get a hold of you and start an offensive cycle. So do
Starting point is 00:30:48 I think that Yon has better answers to maybe thwart some of that? Probably. Probably. Is that enough to win? I don't know. Can we bring a long island look for an update on the draft king's odds of the main event at this moment yeah uh my app is loading
Starting point is 00:31:04 hold on we're right here we're right here oh god joining on the spot right now always has it's minus 410 for marab plus 320 piotr okay that i gotta say i'm a bigger favorite earlier in the week i'm shocked by that he was a bigger favorite earlier in the week money's come in despite morop's momentum like i said he's on the verge of tying second for longest
Starting point is 00:31:22 wind streak where we're praising Islam rightfully for tying Anderson Silva there he's pawn for pound top three basically. I mean, like, the dude's amazing. Fighter of the year right now. Fighter of the year looking to lock that up right now. Yep. While it's a little, that losing streak for Yan is a little overrated when you consider the D-Cue loss, the two-split decisions lost, particularly that one against what O'Malley
Starting point is 00:31:44 are going to say you thought he won? I thought he had a case for it. That one's pretty close. Do you think simultaneously the three-fight win streak is overrated? Or did you see a Peodor Yan who cleared his head, cleared, you know, refreshed his body, and is looking to be at age 32 as great as we've ever seen him. I know that it's overrated or underrated. It's just, it is where it is.
Starting point is 00:32:03 He is one of the three best band-imates on Earth. I think he is uniquely poorly suited to fight Maraub de Wallisvili. Everyone is going to lose. As the most well-rounded bannamweight, he's poorly suited to fight. I don't know that that's true that he's the most well-rounded band-weight, but like he's certainly got a case, but like, yeah, he's, that's not, you don't beat Marab by being good at everything. You beat Marab by being really good at one thing.
Starting point is 00:32:27 And, like, the only other, if I was trying to, like, I've thought about this a lot because I would like Marab to lose. I think he's, I just straight up, like, I, I have nothing but respect for him. Like, he has accomplished incredible amount. I do not really enjoy watching him fight that much. He's just not that interesting to me as a fighter. Really? I think, I think he's hacked the game in a way that he is good.
Starting point is 00:32:51 But, like, when you shoot 49, you shoot 49, takedowns attempt, like, you're not trying to hurt somebody. and at the end at the core of this I would like you to attempt to hurt your opponent and not just make them tired but that's not the game like the fighting is a game and he is playing it better than anyone ever in the history of this way class
Starting point is 00:33:06 I will absolutely respect him I would like for someone else but Jan's just you either have to be super violent and get Marab out of there or maybe win the first three rounds and hold on but Peter Jan is like notoriously slow at starting so this is just a super bad
Starting point is 00:33:26 matchup for him, because he's not going to get Marab out of there with, like, one offensive explosion, and he's just going to slowly succumb to Maraub-Dolshvili. That's the perfect point to transition here on maybe how he would go about changing for the rematch. Yon on the UFC countdown show did sit down with cameras and his coach, rewatch the first fight on the big screen for the first time, taking, you know, detailed notes and talking to the camera and all that. And his coach said and Jan echoed it, the only way to beat Marab is to, you know,
Starting point is 00:33:56 be the one chasing him, not being chased by him. And due to Jan being a notorious slow starter, as you mentioned, Jan says in there through translation, I got to come back and come out much faster. Can he do that in a 25-minute fight and have the gas tank to be there at the end with it? If he doesn't, it's curtains for him. I mean, I'm not going to say it's exactly like Mayweather,
Starting point is 00:34:14 but you know how it was. If you were going to beat Mayweather, your first six rounds are the most important ones because you're not winning them after that, period. He's taking that away from you. I'm not saying Marabi's exactly like that, but it's a similar kind of doom that sort of... You're not winning rounds four and five against Spronoff.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Ironically, that's kind of how Jan fights. He takes a couple rounds to figure out, take that snapshot and figure it up. I know, but to that to Jed's point, that's a terrible matchup against the guy who's shot out of a fucking cannon the minute that the ref says, you know, time to go. So I think, again, the question to me is like,
Starting point is 00:34:45 to what extent he can stop takedown, to what extent he can get him off of his back, to what extent he can break grips. And if the first five is any indication, I think there's probably a lot to say that there is. By the way, Marab, folks don't talk about us enough on tape study. He's one of the very few fighters who actively grabs his own gloves, which is completely legal and totally okay.
Starting point is 00:35:02 And guys have told me who fought Marab that it's really hard to break his grip because he's actually grabbing on the inside of his glove hardcore. It's hard to pull that apart. Yeah, yeah. It's real difficult. So, like, there's just so many, again, I'm not picking against Marab until somebody, like, physically makes me. Like, you need to show me what it looks like to beat Marab.
Starting point is 00:35:22 The one thing I will say is, the turnaround is pretty quick and he does carry a lot of injury because Rob seems a little on the reckless side I don't know if that's an unfair characterization so you never know exactly how overconfident he might be with some kind of debilitating factor. Or overtrained.
Starting point is 00:35:40 Or overtrained. We're finding out. But at the same time, BC, wouldn't you agree if there is anybody who you would not worry about being overtrained, it's probably him? But like we didn't have any worry about that with Poton until it caught up with him. So when you find out from Rob's coaches,
Starting point is 00:35:52 you know, we play that sound all. the time that like oh last fight marab did a 25 minute you know full fight simulation five hours before the fight like just had this energy had to get rid of it I'm trying to make the case that yon could be a you know a sleeping dog here in terms from a betting standpoint and nobody nobody knows more about betting besides you than long island luke and james cross um I'm wondering if that that needs to be addressed the idea that marab is trying extra hard to add on to a year in which he was already fighting
Starting point is 00:36:24 through injuries that would have sidelined anybody and turning around on such short terms is this the fight that that catches up to him and what would that look like if it did just injury that is the most if you're trying to build the Peoria case that's the most compelling part to me is like this is just a lot like if you fight this frequently
Starting point is 00:36:41 things happen like we've seen it forever in the history of the sport I to me it feels like that'll just make this more competitive than the first one was Because the first one was deeply uncompetitive. And, like, Peoriaon's very good. He'll come in with some new ideas.
Starting point is 00:36:55 He might, he's stuffed a lot of takedowns in the first one. He sure did, yeah. He'll be a lot better at it. Maybe you'll have some more ideas. But, like, the math stays the same. Even if Marab is injured, you know, he's allegedly been injured every fight, right? He's going to do what he's going to do. And how does, not just how do you stop that if your Peoria on, how do you stop that and score?
Starting point is 00:37:18 Because if your whole thing is, Joe, Jose Aldo lost to Marab because Marab just held him and Jose couldn't get offense off, even though he stopped him from doing what he wanted to do. Peter has to find a way to score points. You know, he had some success with leg kicks in the first one. I think that that's probably like a decent idea to go back to. His uppercuts are good against Marab when he comes in,
Starting point is 00:37:39 but it also leaves you open for the tape. Upercuts, maybe some body work. I think I'd like to see elbows from him this time around just because like that could be more damaging in the interior. but, like, I don't know how you get over the fact that Marab is going, like, Piotr Yon's game is to win the later rounds. Nobody's better at that than Mara. It's just like.
Starting point is 00:38:00 Check the Umar fight for, for proof. You can be up to three nothing on him and he's going to just turn it up to the gear. He is inevitable. Betting expert Long Island, Luke Noseeta, uh, making a case here for plus money on Yon. Can you make that same case? Don't tell me you got a parlay on this. Tell me how to bet Piotrion on this play. I mean, how to bet Pioter Yon in this play.
Starting point is 00:38:17 I mean, how to bet. Piotrion would be like the plus 13 and a half spread bet whenever that drops. Like maybe he could win around. I don't think there's much value betting on Piotrion here. I'm not going to lie. You can win around. The dude can win around. Spread bet might be interesting depending on the-
Starting point is 00:38:30 One thing I'm talking about that. I feel like no one else is talking about. Yes, this is Marab's fourth title defense in a year, but it's also his third in six months. Yeah. That's fucking crazy, dude. And I'm a little worried he's going to be burnout, but you already know we're riding with Marab. Yeah, because you're a long islander. I get it.
Starting point is 00:38:47 Marab turns 35 in January. If this was another guy, I'd be like, I don't know how smart this is. Yeah. You know, but Mara... I mean, shit, we could talk about that with Josh Van in just a minute. This is Josh Van's fifth fight in 12 months. Yeah, so for me, I'm like... Six and 15 months, too.
Starting point is 00:39:00 Yeah, it's crazy. Well, we can go seven and, what, 18? I don't even know what it would be. I mean, his professional career started in 2020. I know. I was watching some of his fights in preparation for today, and the commentators were like during his debut. They're like, he started wrestling six months before his debut.
Starting point is 00:39:15 And I'm like, how the fuck's he fighting for a world? But anyway, the point I'm trying to make is there's so many risk factors in the Marab fight that for anyone else I'd be like red flag, red flag, red flag, and maybe they'll turn to be red flags for him. But again, until I see it, I cannot pick against this machine. It's just weird. This would totally turn the division upside down in a way that we just didn't expect. Because I think Umar's still the guy.
Starting point is 00:39:36 I think if Umar just jackson was doing the guy, I don't believe in him anymore. Okay, Umar was compromised in the first fight. Umar had a broken hand in the first fight. And I think he learned the lesson of, oh my God, I got to jack up my card. the levels that have never been seen before. Yeah. I think he is strategist in his corner, Umar. If anybody can be Maraub, it feels like it's going to be Umar.
Starting point is 00:39:53 But if Jan flips the script on us, like he'll stop, he'll stop Maraub short of this runaway train run that may catch up to Islam if Islam doesn't start getting active. You know what I mean? If Maraub didn't, wasn't headlining this weekend, and all we had was the Umar fight, the O'Malley rematch, and then the Sanhagen fight, he's still fighter of the year. Like that run alone of beating guys that good, who would it be over him? I mean, I don't disagree. I think I'd pick it, but there would be decent cases for Islam Makachev.
Starting point is 00:40:24 And personally, I think there'd be a pretty good case for Valentina Shepchenko, but nobody wants to do that. Yeah. Who was the who was the first fight that Islam had in Twitchman? If Joshvin beats Pantoja, he would absolutely go over that. The JDM fight is great, but JDM plus Moikano is not as good as beating Umar, Sandhagan, and O'Malley in a rematch. I don't consider that the same. I agree. I would still put Marab.
Starting point is 00:40:43 A lot of people would put Islam. We'll put Islam. Again, the JDM win is tremendous. If Marab loses, he's not going to be fine with the year. Now, if Armin had, excuse me, if Armin had lost to Islam and then Islam be JDM, that's a different argument. If Islam beat Armin and Jadim, that's a different argument. People love getting it wrong. I mean, you remember in 2019, people voted Mazvah all over out of Sonia for part of the year.
Starting point is 00:41:01 And I'm just like, are the year he, are you kidding? Are you kidding? Yeah, he had three wins. They were high profile. Oh, the Till win, that one. And then Nadeez, but guess what? Is he beat Silva? He was the inaugural with BMF Jam.
Starting point is 00:41:11 He won an all-time war against Gaston, though, and he won the interim. and he knocked out Robert Whittaker to win the championship. That's a pretty fucking great year. That's a really good year. That's one of the greatest years ever. Yeah, it's a pretty fucking great year. If Maraub beats Jan, he's got one of the greatest years ever. No doubt about it.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Like, it's an all-timer. Again, Umar, O'Malley in a rematch. Again, he's got a second crack out. Finished him too, which is important. Finished him, San Hagen, who was as ready as he was going to be for that fight. And then to beat Jan, another former champion? Yeah, the best years of history is for. That's fucking insane.
Starting point is 00:41:41 Technically, Tito Ortiz had already done four title defenses in a 12-month period. This is the first time to do it in a calendar year, but this is such a different era than then in terms of the quality of opponents that you're facing and the evolution of the sport that it is, uh, dude, I messed up, you ever messed up your dials over here and you just can't get back to it? It's like when someone sits in your car scene. The middle one is the program feed. The other one is the side tone. Yeah, but there's a third one too that I'm playing with. And I don't even know if it's doing anything. Right. Yeah. Just keep playing with it. Uh, let's get into predictions. You ever seen someone with a third nipple? Only on Total Recall in that bar in Mars I went to boot camp with a guy with a third nipple Like a real one or like Because there are different levels I didn't closely examine it
Starting point is 00:42:22 You know what I'm saying? It worked like a nipple not like a mole or something Well they called him third nipple so that's what you know Danny Garcia has a sixth toe And you knew a guy with one ball Am I even can anyone hear me? Danny Garcia has a sixth toe Yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:42:34 That's pretty wild That is pretty wild Yeah yeah Luke that would fuck me up That would fuck me up Luke look at that a lot like once Check check one two three There we go.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Oh, say, if you're done, I continue. This is the voice of God, Brian Campbell, and you're a bitch. Get your shit together. Luke Thomas, give me a prediction. How does Marab de Valshvili become the fighter of the year on Sarah? I think he decisions Yon. Yon's tough. He's fucking durable.
Starting point is 00:42:58 He's been in the trenches, too. You can't say he hasn't. He is well-rounded to your point, and he stuffs a lot of takedowns. He does a lot of offense. But I just think over the course of time, would you bet, let me ask this. Long Island, Luke, if this were a three-round fight, What would the odds look like Relative to now?
Starting point is 00:43:17 Same or worse? They'd be a little closer. They'd be closer, yeah, a little closer. But I still would heavily favor Mara. Then this is the point. The problem is like Yon's even worse than three rounders. Like he's better suited to five.
Starting point is 00:43:27 Perhaps even that's true. It just feels like, you know, it's like trying to fight the dawn. It's just going to happen. I'm going to go Mara by decision, but I am really getting that itch that people are overlooking Yon aggressively here. I think that it should be reserved
Starting point is 00:43:39 for the co-main event. To me, that's much more interesting to get the edge. You have a main event prediction? Oh, it's... What are we doing? It's Maraud by decision. That's the bet every time is maraud by...
Starting point is 00:43:49 It's a shocker that he finished Sean O'Malley. It's like his second finish in a lifetime or some dumb shit. Yeah, pick him by decision every time you're going to be right. I mean, way more off than that. He's becoming one of the best fighters in the history of the sport, accumulation-wise. Like, the run of names is insane. He beat George St. Pierce's takedown record, too. I mean...
Starting point is 00:44:06 And take his last eight, nine fights. Give me anyone in history who ought to run that rivaled that outside of, like, John... Jones. Like, seriously. Like, it's becoming one of those things. It really is. And he did it all without being entertaining at all, which is really impressive. Damn. Okay, but would he have beaten other? Thank you. Would
Starting point is 00:44:24 Marab have beaten Prime Aljo at Feather? Yeah. A feather? I'm sorry, at Bannon. I don't know. Take that back. Yeah, I have a high level of confidence. Probably? Probably. Probably. All right. I'll just more dynamic, but it's
Starting point is 00:44:38 Aljo has skills he doesn't have, that's for sure. But it's Marab. But it's Marab, yeah. Somebody, this was like, I don't know, like three fights ago, Marab. And I don't remember, they tweeted out, and maybe it was like Zane Simon was like, T.J. Delishaw, prime T.J. Delishaw versus Marab.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Like, T.J. is a better striker, a better wrestler, much more dynamic. Like, yada, yada, yada. So if they matched up, I'd say Mara by making him tired. Because that's just it. Like, it doesn't, he has a superpower that no one else has ever had. And so, yeah. If you don't have to ration your offense, I mean, it just frees you. up. I get goosebumps when we're watching
Starting point is 00:45:15 greatness unfold, when we're seeing what Islam's doing right now. He gets his pillow. I'm getting that feeling. Islam usually, sometimes, not all the time, sometimes tries to hurt people. Maraup doesn't, just try to hurt somebody. I like Islam. When he finished Sean Amali, I had nothing, I looked like an asshole because I was saying this before that fight. And he finished was like, hand up, if he's going to, my exact words were, if he's going to do this, if this is going to be Habib-esque. Oh, now that you're the
Starting point is 00:45:42 champion, you're just going to bury people sick. And then he went right back to a decision. And, you know, to his credit, he did really hurt Corey Sandhagen. He's, he's adding tools. He's developing, but like isn't he lovable enough to soften that? Like, if you make these rants against Michael Chandler,
Starting point is 00:45:58 we all go, yeah, I kind of get it. Rob's so lovable. He's got the inspirational story to go with that. I don't have an issue broadly with his personality. You just love telling the truth. I just try to hurt people. This is theoretically the hurt business attempt to We are living in an era where ground and pound is
Starting point is 00:46:14 declining. Yeah, you've been talking about that too. It's just like, yeah, it doesn't. If he hurt people more, I would like him more. Still, I still respect him immensely. The quality of opponents this fucking guys running through is insane. I would never say anything other than he's incredible because he is. I mean, look at what Marel and Marais did to him in that first round and look
Starting point is 00:46:30 the fact that he didn't. The fact that he didn't die, didn't capitulate. Is that the right word here? Is that the right surrender? That's what capitulate means. Yeah, all right. Hey, let's go to that cold man of Vanden. In fact, the road to the UFC 323 flyweight title Co-main event is brought to you by total wireless, the official wireless
Starting point is 00:46:46 provider of UFC, get unlimited data that won't slow you down. Let's talk about it. Alexandre Pantosia looks for the fifth defense of his flyweight title that he picked up, by the way, at age 33, and is now on an eight-fight win streak overall, as he mentions, just recently turned 24-year-old, 24.
Starting point is 00:47:07 Dude, I was... Joshua Van, who, by the way, What the fuck were you doing at 24? Dude, let me tell you what Joshua Van wasn't doing when I was 24. He was born after 9-11 and made his pro debut after COVID. The two like major monumental. After COVID, I saw that this morning and it like, it seriously asked me. I was like, not even like, what are you counting as the end period?
Starting point is 00:47:29 So when did he make his debut? 2021. Like April of 2020, he has been a professional for four years. It's insane. So 15 months ago. He's also fought like 30 times. times. He fights so much. So last September, 15 months ago, he's coming off of a third round knockout loss to Charles Johnson, which kind of took the air out of the balloon of this young kid from
Starting point is 00:47:49 Myanmar, this prospect, whatever. He's won five fights since then. He fought Brandon Roy Vaughal three weeks removed from knocking out Bruno Silva and then went a life and death fight of the year all action war in which Van told me last week. He's like, yeah, I was hurt the entire fight. Like, I just gutted it out and is now getting another quick turnaround to go six fights in 15 months at just recently turned age 24. We don't see this. Macy Barber got close to trying to break a record, right? No one's going to break John Jones's record this time around for being the youngest champion at 23.
Starting point is 00:48:22 But if this man does it at 24 and goes through Pantosia, top four, pound for pound. And on his way, he secured the second greatest flyweight resume of all time. I mean, he's pretty much there. He's on his way pointing upward at age 35 and just getting better. the more money he puts into these camps and acts like a champion. This is one of the better stories we've seen in a while. You want to talk about improbable?
Starting point is 00:48:44 Is it only because Pantosha cleaned out the division or would Van had found his way up regardless? He would have found his way up regardless because, like, I mean, he beat Brandon Raval, who's the number one dude. Like, that's, there's no debating this. Also, so we are clear, October 17th, 2021 is Josh Van's pro debut. That's insane.
Starting point is 00:49:02 Like, literally he has been a professional for four years in a moment. He was born in October of 2001. It is, which is out wild. Landish. But yeah, Van was going to get here anyway. Like, I was writing about this earlier this week because I didn't even realize how insane Van's year has been. Like, Josh Van has absolutely an opportunity to make a case for Fighter of the Year if he wins.
Starting point is 00:49:24 Put that back up. Put that back up. Oh, my God. What is it? Oh, God. I don't, my sister's gay, so I don't really know how that one works. But we can try. I mean, those producers, man, they're just...
Starting point is 00:49:39 Those producers, yeah, this guy. Wow. Oh, my God. I didn't write that. I didn't write that. Somebody's getting fired. Wow. Yeah, wow.
Starting point is 00:49:50 The thing about Van is, like, everyone knew Van was a good prospect. Go back and watch his first fight of the year when he was unranked, by the way. So we're clear. He started the year unranked by anybody who ranks fighters. It's like, oh, he's 23. He's going to be great. Like, he's a super good prospect. even by the summer
Starting point is 00:50:08 like when he fought Bruno Silva I think he was ranked 14 the UC's rankings Bruce was 12 so he was 12 in June and then he's short notice Brandon Revolts like well I guess actually he's the number one guy
Starting point is 00:50:20 he just beat him or he boxed him up yeah it is an unreal run like if he beats Pantoja he has a legitimate case or fighter of the year I don't think he will win it assuming Rob wins because we already talked about he'll have a strong case he'll have five wins he will be top
Starting point is 00:50:36 five, four shirts, four wins. Four wins. Four wins, but including Brenner of All and Alhantioia is pretty sick. Like, it's a great run. And, like, even if he loses, he'll almost certainly be back. But yeah, man, like, out of nowhere, one of the most improbable title runs I've seen
Starting point is 00:50:53 in the modern history of the sport. But the bigger question is, how much of a chance does he have? The odds from draftings? A good one. The odds from draftings. Minus 238 Pantosia plus 195. That's respect to Van. You're talking about the second best flatweight of all time, the cannibal, and this guy's not too far in terms of the odds.
Starting point is 00:51:13 Tell me if I'm wrong. Patocia is not showing any signs of weakness here. He's not showing decline. He's not showing anything. He's not showing anything. He's only getting better. If anything, he's only getting better. At a bare minimum, creating distance between himself and the pack.
Starting point is 00:51:24 But Van, dude, is just, you know, whatever metaphor you want to use, a bad out of hell, here he comes. And I actually looked up a lot of the takedowns that he gave up in various fights. He gave up four to Ray Seruia, by the way. But also Ray Seruia is... Ray Saruja is an amazing wrestler. Even Daniel Kormier in the commentary was like, holy shit, this guy's a good wrestler.
Starting point is 00:51:48 But the real common denominator is nobody. And I mean nobody can hold this fucking guy down. He gets up butterfly guard. He gets up using the fence. He gets up off underhooks from side control. You name it. Nobody can keep him to... Cuddy Durden got two takedowns on him.
Starting point is 00:52:04 him in one round, and the total control time was nine seconds. How's his BJJ defense? So listen, it doesn't matter. Well, defense, we don't know. You're saying it doesn't matter if he's getting back up. Right, because the thing is, it's like no one's really applying it. I mean, this is to me why this fight is so interesting is because, for example, Saruya would give up position and let Josh Van go behind him and then arm throw him, right?
Starting point is 00:52:28 So, like a Santa Sack there. But the reality is he would get him up against the fence because you can run him to to the fence and he wouldn't use his legs to trip him out. Well, Pantoja is one of the very best guys in the UFC at running you to the fence and then using legs to trip, but not just a trip, but against Kaya Socorah to trip and then take the fucking back. That's the thing. This is it.
Starting point is 00:52:49 So to what extent can he deal with someone who can get to the back? We're going to find out. Can Van lure Pantosia into being the same fighter he was two years ago when he outlasted Brandon Moreto to win the title and just an absolute dog. fight down the stretch. Remember the speech to the dad like it was just this moment. But yet in those two years, Pantosia went from like lovable brawler to complete
Starting point is 00:53:12 well-rounded technical fighter. Can Van Lur that version of Pantosia back? And is that the best method of victory for the young fight? I mean, I think it'd really help him. I don't know if he can. I love this fight. This fight's awesome. The back taking is the thing
Starting point is 00:53:28 yes, it's hard to hold Van down. If you can take his back, you don't have to hold him down. You just are on his back. And Pantosia is probably the best fighter currently doing that. Like, that's a lot of his game now. I don't know if Van can get that. Like, that would help him. If he could just get a dog fight,
Starting point is 00:53:45 like that would, I think that would be good for Van. I don't know that he'd win it. Pantosia is a crazy person. But, like, honestly, to me and Luke, I'd love your take on this. I was watching stuff in prep for this. Both men want to come forward. So, like, their whole
Starting point is 00:54:00 style. And I think that ultimately Pants is going to win that. And so then Josh Van on the back foot might be a very different animal than like Brandon Royval giving him sort of a fight that he is comfortable with because Pantosia is going to be in your face. And I don't know how Van will, like he's really good. We can get the jab going, let the Mitz go to work. I don't know how good he's going to be if Pants is just bullying him around. Oh, this is wild. I've been calling him Pants for years because why would you do Pantosia when Pants is great?
Starting point is 00:54:30 I mean, I got to give him that, right? Or you could just say his name. his name is Pence um it's one okay so there's a couple of central questions to this fight one is what happens when he's on the back right and his route to get there two is exactly what you're talking about which is they're both come forward guys and so that can't happen in totality is like that's going to give somewhere i actually feel like on the one hand that's going to open up pantogia to a certain kind of van who here's one thing we have about van van van doesn't understand his own limits I know he lost to Charles Johnson.
Starting point is 00:55:04 By the way, a good fighter. But still, he's so full of young confidence, everything has come so easily that I don't even think he, I'm sure he takes Pantoja seriously, but he almost thinks like there's an inevitable solution to all of this, and I think he might walk into trouble. Conversely, if Pantoja is not shot, but if we finally see the shopwornness show up, then the combination punching is going to be a real big problem. But to answer the question, as best I can tell, I actually, feel like this could disrupt Pantoja's forward pressure by getting Pantoja to shoot, get him to sprawl, and then go to the back, or get him to defend, downblock, and then go to the back, and then get him to
Starting point is 00:55:43 then run him to the fence. Because there's no way you can just let Josh Van walk you down. It won't work. You will lose the fucking fire. No. Pantosia, who I mentioned was 35. This is his third fight in 12 months, but first fight since June when he took out KKF. Is there any sort of revisionist history to look back on how, yes, Van outlasting Roy
Starting point is 00:56:02 was very impressive and he outlast might be the fight of the year and when he in yeah outlasted him in a war just went through hell with him and in one-sided war brother no that fight's not that was one one in the third there's actually an argument there's an argument for royval until the very end with the drop then one certainly that fight was competitive what i'm trying to say here is the my biggest argument in that fight because i thought royville would box him from the outside at a high pace but actually work into defense i was a little disappointed that royval went in just full on terminator mode was there to be hit, hands down, walking forward. Is there any fool's gold in that?
Starting point is 00:56:36 Because we did see Van swim at that level and survive. But Pantosha's not going to be as easy to hit. It's not going to be that type of fight against him. You are going to be raising this. He'll be that easy to hit in brief spots. He will be that easy to hit in brief spots. He will bite down on the mouthpiece too. That is true.
Starting point is 00:56:53 You know, it's just that Royville. Royville will do it for long stretches. I mean, Royval left the front door open the entire fight. Yeah. I mean, one side is maybe a little bit strong, but I kind of felt like Van was the guy who was doing from beginning to end the much better combination punching, and I think that carried the day ultimately.
Starting point is 00:57:10 He landed the harder shots. Royval was out spamming him and in his face. He was absolutely landing better. Royval was throwing two times as much, and so he was landing almost... I rewatched the fight this morning, and for me, there was just a lot of problems with Royval's game plan that I kind of hated,
Starting point is 00:57:24 that Van was able to take advantage of that. By the way, Pantoge is not going to do and doesn't have the same body type anyway to allow those kinds of things? Pants, right, pants. Pantolones, we call him, yes. Slacks, if he's feeling really nice. I've never had Alexandria.
Starting point is 00:57:38 We could call him slacks if he was a white guy. I feel like this doesn't work. To be fair, I've never had Alexandria around my ankles during strawaway fights, which you always say I do. You know what I mean? Where's the crickets? Sorry, connecting the dots. I need to do a shot after that.
Starting point is 00:57:52 Yeah, I think we should. Why don't you brush your hair higher, motherfucker? I think we should get into the Blanco. Look how high BC brushed his hair. Look at this. My hair is as high. as our production group. You're going to get struck by fucking lightning.
Starting point is 00:58:02 You're going to get struck by lightning doing that shit. Yeah, I am. Okay? Yeah, I am. As we pour this, give me three words to describe the UFC on ESPN era that's coming to a close this month. Oh, three words. What the type of shit is that?
Starting point is 00:58:19 It happened. Cool. It's hard to know, like, to what extent. I mean, I guess if we're doing ESPN, it's like, oh, thank God we're off. because that platform is just not dealing with the plus no more no more i didn't say anything i know but your history i'm comfortable saying yeah i'm i'm deeply happy to move to a new the paramount plus platform it's just i've never had issues with it and i constantly have issues with espan so that's
Starting point is 00:58:46 nice it's hard to know to like what extent esPN played in the watering down of the sport that has happened it probably just would have happened anywhere because that's sort of well they were the ones that want to content almost every weekend to fill out but like that but that probably just would have happened whoever they signed it brought that's just sort of the trend that is happening in general so I interviewed Dana White in 2011 and at that 2011 he told me he wanted to have events on two different events on the same day in the in the world right so you'd have one in Abu Dhabi one and yeah they've been trying to scale forever to his point they would have done it anyway yeah it would have done anyway but like it is just they are the people who are here
Starting point is 00:59:23 when we got the influx of contender series people you know and like at the apex happening. Good point. Ever present. So it's like... And the pandemic pushing everything to the apex. But they were hot coming out of the pandemic. No, no, of course, but I'm saying it also created some long-term relationship to the apex. That's a fair point. That would not necessarily have happened but for the pandemic. So it changed a lot of things.
Starting point is 00:59:48 I mean, I'll say this. Look, I mean, I don't know. I've watched... Have you watched games on Paramount Plus yet? NFL games, maybe? Yes. Yes. I've watched one. So I watch NFL games. I watch Champions League games. I have not had a problem in the service. You want to watch me shoot this shot, or are you going to take part?
Starting point is 01:00:05 You still got nothing that glass. Let's go. The backside of my balls. You can lick them. Get that backwash in here. Pretend this is Paris Island right here. We didn't booze on Paris Island. I didn't have Libo there.
Starting point is 01:00:16 I'll say this. I think that if I've noticed something from the Fox Sports deal to the ESPN deal, it says it starts out real nicely. There's a clear high water mark during that tenure. but by the end of it, the deal has outlived its usefulness. And you'll recall, for example, so we didn't even talk about this, they're moving the pay-per-views, well, number of events, to 9 p.m. for a start time, which, by the way, for us East Coast guys,
Starting point is 01:00:42 is the fucking best, is the fucking best. But you'll recall, one of the things that was so important about the ESPN deal coming from the Fox Sports deal was all those fight nights started at 10 p.m. and would go to 1 a.m. no matter how fast the fight went. and it was so brutal to watch and they adjusted for many of those things. Sure. So each deal is just getting a little bit better
Starting point is 01:01:02 and I think more accommodating to the fans, more accommodating to our interests. But I think it's outlived its usefulness. The high water mark of the sport during the COVID era is just not where we're at anymore. And I think going to a new player with a new media environment and a new sort of force culturally
Starting point is 01:01:20 is kind of what the UFC needs. How far can they take it? I don't know, but yeah. It's always nice. to mix things up and like it's for you know not free but there are no pay-per-view so that's just objectively better for the fans it is it's time you don't you don't want to stay doing the same thing forever also also i remember after francis and ghanu fought cane velasquez so when that fight ended they pivoted immediately to sports center and sports center at that moment was hosted by
Starting point is 01:01:48 chel sonna and aerial hawaii and whoa what which fight are you talking about canne valasquez versus is Francis and Gano. Oh, yes. And they pivoted right to SportsCenter, and it was those two guys in studio. Like, when was the last time they did anything like that? When was the last time
Starting point is 01:02:04 they had a bunch of fighters or media personalities? I mean, they'll have them on first take and whatnot, but it's happening more and more infrequently. Like I said, I think the relationship was useful and it was really important. Ups and downs, things we liked,
Starting point is 01:02:16 the things we didn't. But I just feel like it's at the end of a natural conclusion. This pivot, to me, actually makes a lot of sense. And it officially comes to an end, a week after UFC 323 with the fight night card with Brandon Royval
Starting point is 01:02:27 and Minel Kopp. To close out our co-main event preview here, it is prediction time. We know Joshua Van can, can do this, but like Steve, will he do it? Luke Thomas? Domina cans, Mexica can't get it. Anyone can get it.
Starting point is 01:02:44 Anyone can get it. I'm going to go, Josh Van. Whoa. I'm going to go Josh Van. You're picking with your heart again. I have been I have been wrong about Pantoja any number of times. So please take that into account. Yeah, like when I said Till would get finished by Woodley, and you're like, nah, nah, right?
Starting point is 01:02:59 We weren't working together at that point. Yeah, MMAB. All right, look up the archives, okay? Thank you. You have, like, two right calls that you serve for 10 fucking years. Meanwhile, the other 8,000 you got wrong. Somehow you don't even acknowledge. Look, the reality is Pantoja is incredible.
Starting point is 01:03:16 And Van is vulnerable, I admit it. But I just kind of feel like he's going to wiggle his way free to positions of attack and it's going to be enough to win three rounds and a judge of scorecards. There you go. That's fair, but I don't think it happens. I'm going to go on the flip side and go Pantosia getting a decision in which
Starting point is 01:03:35 Van shows some good stuff for the future. Because Van has Moxie. Van has a hungry... He's got a fighter spirit for sure. You're right. For a guy that was knocked out a year ago, he doesn't act like it ever slowed him down. Moxie. Moxie? No, it's true, dude. He fights...
Starting point is 01:03:52 Just like Jared Vanderbeacon. He doesn't fight recklessly. but he fights like a fucking 24-year-old kid who just doesn't understand risk and it's both a blessing and a curse, you know? I think Pantosia can still win four to one here. How do you see it? I'm going pants by decision. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:08 Like, sorry, not decision, submission. The Cuervo's getting to, I think he's going to tap him. From the back? Yeah, from the back. We haven't, we mentioned it earlier. We didn't, this is the fan's fifth fight in 12 months. It's insane.
Starting point is 01:04:23 that's at flyweight like that is a marat level okay but he's not 33 he's not and so like i'm not massively confident in this prediction i'm much less confident than the main but like five fights is a lot even the brand of revol fight like as great as it was there are some mixed inuing circumstances it was short notice like revol was not preparing for that sort of matchup it's hard to get out like he just lost to charles johnson like a year ago because that's how often he's fighting it's insane But, like, Charles Johnson isn't remotely as good as Alhundred Pantosia. And I think that Pantosia is going to have a lot more success in backing Van Up, which I think will be key. And I do think he, once he gets to the back, pants, at the minimum is going to win rounds by just taking it and holding it.
Starting point is 01:05:10 But I kind of like his, like, every time I've seen Alejandro Pantosia, he has gotten so much better. And I was skeptical at first, and he is, like, nope, can't. I cannot deny him anymore. Maybe age catches up to him. That'll be sad because he's an awesome champion. But, like, I'm going to stick with him. I'm going to ride him. Like you with Marab, I'm just going to ride.
Starting point is 01:05:30 I'm riding pants until forever. That's totally fair. I mean, these two guys have earned that reputation. They've both earned it. So, fair enough. Plus, like, I really want to see pants versus Kogi. That would be, that would make me really, really happy. Yeah, that'd be a good fight.
Starting point is 01:05:43 That made me really happy. That would be some good time, Bushito. You know that would be. We didn't ask this before we move on very quickly. If Marob finishes Yon, finishes. is there going to be pressure on him to go to 45? Not until he beats Umar a second time. That's the one.
Starting point is 01:05:57 I mean, I'm not wrong, right? I'm not wrong on that. Especially since Umar's fighting on this January card. The conversation will start. Because there really hasn't been that. It will start of like,
Starting point is 01:06:07 hey, especially because like I personally think Volk's going to retire after the Lopez fight. That's not inside information. I just, it's been leaked. Yeah. Like I think he's, his coach is doing the thing who's like,
Starting point is 01:06:20 I don't know. if he's going to quit but if he did just leave featherweight and do fun fights that'd be cool which i actually totally agree with like bail on featherway and just go fight charles olivera that'd be awesome well like once volk i think morrow versus volk would have some appeal but if featherway just gets open if volk does retire or leave uh the call will be there because fans in the sport don't care about that let's go to the fourth member here co-meant event who wins Round three. Speaking of pants, have you ever asked a chick to wog you to your truck or what?
Starting point is 01:06:55 Okay. I don't know what that means. We're doing. You know what's good. I got a dead wrong you too. I mean, I can grasp what that means, but I don't know, no, no, no. He's doing what we call skits and bits on the show. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:07 Yeah. Yes, Long Island. You said Jared Vanderbeek before it's been bothering me. James Vanderbier. Yes, he was the quarterback in, uh, what's that movie? Varsity Blues. And he was Dawson. Wait.
Starting point is 01:07:20 Yeah. What's Friday Night Lights? Friday Night Lights is both an incredible TV show and a film based on a true story. So who was in that fucking film? Well, Billy Bob Thornton was like the lead as the coach in the film. But who was like the teen heartthrob or whatever the fucker? I don't even remember. Yo.
Starting point is 01:07:36 Friday Night Lights is probably a better movie than Varsity Blues, but Varsity Blues is, I don't want your lives. Yeah, hand to God, I've never seen either. Oh, my God. He hates dramas about teenagers when guys like us are like bring them on, right? We were talking before air about one battle after another. Varsely Blues is notwithstanding. Right there.
Starting point is 01:07:55 Like Varsity Blues is right there. You should watch Varsity Blues. I'd rather get shot in the face with liquid Ebola. But when the chick has the cream on? The whipped cream bikini? Wow. That was a formative experience for you. I'll just watch Total Recall. She got three of them.
Starting point is 01:08:07 Yeah, she did. So, right. You're older. So that is your formative experience. Let's close on this topic, all right, and keep it going. Hey, let's stay in the fly weight division, though. And keep on moving down that card. Former champion.
Starting point is 01:08:20 The 31-year-old Brandon Moreno shook off a two-fight losing skit against elite opponents by split decision in both fights to win two in a row. Now he's got a quasi-number-one contender bout here against Tatsuro Taira, who is, what's his catchphrase? I'm happy. I'm so happy, thank you. Yes, that one. That guy's great. Is that a catchphrase or is he just delightfully Japanese? He's a delightfully Japanese.
Starting point is 01:08:45 25 years old, we saw him lose a split decision of Brandon Royval two fights ago. that was a quasi fight of the year, comes back to submit part of Pyong Song. Maybe we have different characterizations of how some of these fights go. Fight of the year, yes, but he got a little bit big brothered in that one too. Oh, he absolutely lost that fight.
Starting point is 01:09:02 The fact that it was a split decision was a robbery. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're like saying it was like, do you think it was competitive? It was a split decision. I understand, dude, you can get split decisions
Starting point is 01:09:11 and it can still be relatively one-sided. No, I thought it was competitive. But it was and wasn't. The rounds were not competitive either way. Tyra, like, clearly won two rounds because he just had the back for, like, a long period of time, but he lost the shit out of every other second. Unlike you, I listened to it with the volume on
Starting point is 01:09:27 so I can hear all of Bisping. All right. Right. So much Bisping right now on UFC TV. Wow. Wow. Anyway, my view of that fight is it's close, but there was a little bit of big brothering
Starting point is 01:09:42 that happened in one direction and not the other. You know, Bisping's favorite 90s band is second eye blind. Okay. All right. Sorry, we lost that. I don't love that. We lost that one I'm turned for.
Starting point is 01:09:53 So we're clear. Blurr works for that joke and is better. Yes! That's so true! Yes, I don't. So we're clear. Yeah. I don't know how you did that.
Starting point is 01:10:06 That works better in like 10 ways. Of like every level. He's not wrong right there. Brandon Moreno, Tatsuro, Tyra. Will the winner of this get a title shot? Or will Goch? No. I mean, because look, if Van wins it, you reset the division,
Starting point is 01:10:21 it's going to give people that don't have a shot at getting Pantosia, again, a chance to get back in there. But if Pantosia wins, is this a number one contenders fight? Or does Hora Gucci have to win another one? Let me ask you a question, because I hadn't considered this at all. If Luke is right and Van wins, does Pants get an immediate rematch? He has to. He has to.
Starting point is 01:10:41 What if it's just not competitive? Okay, short of one-way traffic blows the doors off him. Even if I think Van's got a good shot of winning, I don't think he's going to go in there and just, like, fuck him off. I mean. Like, I mean, if that happens, then no to your answer. But, like, if Pants wins, they're not going to run back Moreno. So maybe if Tire wins.
Starting point is 01:11:01 I think Kyoji is just very clear and obvious if Pants wins. If not, things get open. And, like, I mean, I'd watch any of the flyweight's fucking fight, man. Like, Brandon, I would watch Brandon Moreno and Alhantioja fight 30 times. I'm with you on that. Roy Vol, I'll get Trilogies out of the ball. both of those rivalries, too. But what is going to happen in this fight?
Starting point is 01:11:22 Is this going to be Moreno using his boxing skills to control the chaos of Tyra coming at him? Tyra's getting better over time, and we don't want to sleep on that, but it just seems like this is a little bit striker versus grappler. Again, Moreno can grapple and Tyra's getting better with his striking, but let's be serious. Like, one, if Tyra, if I told you that Tyra won't get any takedowns, who would you pick? It's like Moreno, easy, right? And so that kind of tells you where the emphasis lies. So for that reason, I think this is about Moreno downblocking,
Starting point is 01:11:52 making sure he doesn't get to the back. And if he does, he gets to escape quickly. And if he does that, dude, Moreno has fought and beat much better guys. True. Tyra, though, 7 and 1 in the UFC. Is he in title contention with a win here? 100%. Because Moreno might cut to the...
Starting point is 01:12:06 I don't know. What do they do? Do they go do Coraguchi next because he's 35? They're doing Horaguchi if he wins. Like that both sides want it. Honestly, I want it or just be cool. It's really fun that they're teammates who want to fight. Dana has historically hated the teammates don't fight.
Starting point is 01:12:20 So like, yeah. All right. But they've kind of served it up here. If Van wins and you don't do the rematch and Moreno wins and you're kind of open in that. Morayna is 100% getting if Moraine wins, Van wins and they don't do the rematch. Based on your breakdown, Luke,
Starting point is 01:12:32 I'm going to, I just want to, Hey, Long Island Luke, let's throw to you. Can we get the odds on this one? Yes. From our friends because I think you're going to be surprised at the odds here, Luke. Because I certainly was.
Starting point is 01:12:43 No, I think you'll be surprised. So it's plus 120, Moreno minus 142, Tyra. Moreno is the underdog. Wow. Okay, walk me through that logic, Long Island, Luke. Tell me what the odds makers are seeing. I don't fucking know the logic because I saw the line as well and went, oh, I'll take
Starting point is 01:12:59 Brandon Moreno as a dog. Gladly, thank you very much. Are they saying he's damaged goods? You think? I don't know, dude. That line sounds like Peach's delight to take the plus money there. I'm all in. I think they're just thinking Tyra's going to get him down.
Starting point is 01:13:12 And if he does, sure, maybe he can control him, win two rounds. but like, I don't know, dude. I think he probably can get him down. I don't know that's going to be enough. I mean... Better fighters than Tyra have gotten him down and not been able to help him down. So the guy went fucking three fights with Figurato.
Starting point is 01:13:27 Even four. Four fights. What am I saying? Yeah. Thank you for the real time they're wrong. He's fought three against pants. The point I'm trying to make is, dude, he's fought guys who can do similar kinds of things.
Starting point is 01:13:39 And actually, Deveson and Figurato much more heavy-handed than Tyra. So, I don't know. That one's a little baffling to me. Yeah. I really like Moreno's boxing in this one. I don't even think he needs the ground game. I think it's just going to be... Well, he needs to defend the ground game for sure.
Starting point is 01:13:56 But, like, I think you're going to see... I mean, he's... They'd love to plug him right back into an overtime shot. You know that. Yeah. They shouldn't... Well, they're giving Diego Lopez the Brazilian-mexican kind of thing. And they're going to UFC...
Starting point is 01:14:08 I mean, look, they might. Are you taking chalk here? What are you doing? Yeah, I'm taking Brandon Moreno, Moneyline. well that's not chalk that's what either way I'm taking the best dog let's go I think there's a case that Brandon Marino won the third fight with Pantosia
Starting point is 01:14:21 like a pretty decent case he just might be like he's right there with Pantosia I don't understand why he's the underdog which probably means Tyro's going to run over him and I'm going to look like an idiot but I can't I can't see it this feels like this two fight wins straight
Starting point is 01:14:36 The only way he runs over him is if excuse me as if he's shot born that's it well the two fight win streak the last two fights for Moraine are going back to last November are decisions over Al-Bazi and Steve Ersek. These are good ass fighters. He also beat Roy Vall. I know he lost that decision. He beat Roy Ball. That was a split
Starting point is 01:14:52 decision back in 24. He clearly won that fight. I don't know why. And the title lost to your point was a split decision lost to Pantosia. So Moreno's been at this for a long time. He's got a little bit of that Piotr-Yon thing going, which is they get, these guys get losses and they get out of it and they put wins together, but it's decision after decision. Now, Yon has, I think, three of them. This is only two in the case of Moreno. But they come back and they're able to get wins and look good,
Starting point is 01:15:16 but there's a certain kind of vitality to their game that's missing. And I feel like that's the case of Mariners. Nevertheless, I still agree, I would, I think, against Tyra, I'm a little surprised at the odds. But I do sort of recognize that these guys get losses and they come back, and they're very good versions of themselves,
Starting point is 01:15:30 but not exactly the same barn burner they may have once been. Hot take Long Island look. Vitality is only the fifth best pearl jam out. I said vitality, not vitality. That's not that hot of a take. Yeah, pretty hot, pretty hot take. What's the best progen? Ten?
Starting point is 01:15:42 Verses. Verses or 10? I think people will say 10, but it's first. I think 10 or yield. Yields like four. I'm making a run on yield. I have a hot take that dark matter is up there, man. Oh, get out.
Starting point is 01:15:54 I'm not like that's a hot take. I mean, I was a doom in high school. It's about it. Honestly, that's much more my speed. All right. That was great. Are you guys going with Marino here? I'm absolutely going to.
Starting point is 01:16:03 I'm going to. I'm taking the underdog right there as well. The thing is I love Tyra. I want that to be clear. I've loved Tyra for a long time. Maranos is really, really good. All right. I have a history lesson.
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Starting point is 01:16:56 Where? It's glad to be in your belly. Yeah, let's go. Luke Thomas, will you join us in this? He's re-upped. He reloaded. Okay, he is a real man. You know, we've had our back and force over the years,
Starting point is 01:17:07 but it's more brotherly love, ultimately, even though he's a decrepit human. When you bring me on, I understand that my job is to just get you drunk. Just, hey, let's do as many of these as I can make you take. Pants off, baby, right? Pants off, baby. Yeah, although pants will be back on in the Saturday's co-made event, all right? There we go.
Starting point is 01:17:26 Do you know, I don't know, is it, if you heard the thing where if you don't, like, toast everyone at the table, you'll have bad sex for seven years. Have you heard that? No, I've heard the thing that if you don't join me in the chest press after doing the shot, it really won't work through your body. Okay. All right. I've never done it.
Starting point is 01:17:41 Now I'll chest press with you. Let's press some chest. I've pressed a few chest. I want to make a joke right now, but we have sponsors and we'll get fired if I make it. My favorite thing to do is I take my daughter to gymnastics, and there's a Mexican restaurant next door, and after it's over, we all get dinner, and I'll have a few margaritas, kind of a point where I'm buzzed, and then I ride my e-bike home. It's my favorite thing to do.
Starting point is 01:18:08 Do you think I look more like you ride in the eve? bike or the Norwegian metal fans rowing on the, uh, you're very crew right now. How long do we do this, B.C? Until it feels great. Oh, I mean, it always feels great. It's great. Do you know about the metal fans? Have I told you about this?
Starting point is 01:18:23 I mean, Norwegian metal fans, every store I've ever heard is that they're the worst people. So I took, I went to a concert and the, the opening band, no, the headlining, the opening band I like, the headlining band I did not like, but I didn't care. I was it fetus death? No, it was, uh, Amon of Marth? Okay. they're like a Viking they call it Viking metal I didn't I didn't know because I don't go to Viking metal shows
Starting point is 01:18:45 it's not my shit I get there and I'm at the everyone who's ever been there was at the Fillmore and Silver Spring and the Fillmore has this kind of like ring at the top where you can kind of look down on the floor and I was up there because I'm old I'm not trying to fistfight anyone
Starting point is 01:18:57 and I'm you know go home to my wife like why are you missing teeth on a Thursday you know dog when that sexy dog when that band plays these losers sit down in the middle of the dance floor or whatever the fuck you want to call it the floor
Starting point is 01:19:11 he's right I've seen and they and they pretend like they're rowing a fucking boat and I was like dude where is where is a mass shooter oh wow no that's an incredible wow I saw it and I was like I was like I don't
Starting point is 01:19:27 I thought I didn't know what was happening I was like are they are they pretending to row a motherfucking boat and then I was like you deserve to be bullied you deserve the life that you leave you know what I'm saying I mean that's a great gimmick can we bully bc for burping directly i'm sorry about that uh jed we're a few sheets into the wind here um how what's new in your personal life as we transition through this card as
Starting point is 01:19:50 why are we talking about my personal are you married through your life are you going to get married i don't know if i meet the right woman and i wanted to clearly say woman because i've been in your comment section and it was critical to delineate that okay uh jed yeah thank you very much long allen Jed, house life, you know. That's good. I mean, I get to watch, I'm hanging out with you bozos.
Starting point is 01:20:13 I've had several shots of Cuervo at this point. You went out drinking with not Jose Cuervo, but Jose Young's last thing. Where we had some Cuervo. So this is really kicking me back up to a happy spot. And we get to talk about, I really like this card.
Starting point is 01:20:26 I mean, we've met through the big stuff. Did you talk about in Alphabet City? Where'd you go? Here, wherever. I don't know New York, but Jose lives pretty close to here, actually. So he took me around to a couple of bars. We.
Starting point is 01:20:37 New York's expect. Remember the first time I figured that out last night I did this is true this was night this was 2000 2001 no not even 2000 2000 2000 a buddy of mine went to Columbia University which is in the north side of town and I visited him from William and Mary okay at the time a pitcher at the local Greenleaf in Williamsburg Virginia was $6 this is like the year 2000 whatever I went to New York City it was fucking $20 and I was like holy shit Josh van not born during that story yeah not even born yeah yeah I couldn't believe it
Starting point is 01:21:07 Your thoughts on the relationship between jet fuel and steel beams? I've heard people say that it can't melt steel beams. I haven't done my own research. Hey, back to the car. It's important to be your own research. He's like some expert in civil engineering. Let's go to the 323 main card and we'll go to the Banoaway Division. 38-year-old, 37-year-old, excuse me, former champion, Henry Suhudo is back.
Starting point is 01:21:31 Riding a losing streak in this entire comeback from his three years off have been a losing skill, although I do think he looked good in that comeback title loss by split decision to Aljo. It's been a little more downhill since then losing a decision to Marab and then you had the iPokate with Song Yadong in which he was getting pieced up anyway.
Starting point is 01:21:50 Well, how about this for great matchmaking? I do give the UFC a lot of credit. Peyton Talbot, the super prospect at 27 years old, already has bounced back from that, you know, heat check loss to Haione Barcelos, who was on a streak of his own. Fellas, when you hear Suhudo Talbot, your first emotion is what i feel hilarious great fight like weird but a great fight yeah hilarious
Starting point is 01:22:15 in a good way yeah in a good way not a bad way right it's never would have thought of it i'm interested you got me you wrote me in so like yeah it's not a pairing i would have assumed and it seems like do or die for cahudo i mean this seems like did he say it's the end he said it's the end here he's officially i mean he's i don't know he's he's been saying that yeah but i think he's If he wins, he's going to try and... I mean, it's M.A. He's officially 38. Three fight losing...
Starting point is 01:22:41 Look, if he loses, it's four losses in a row, he's going to go. He's 38. But I'm saying, if he goes, it's obvious. I'm saying if he wins, I don't buy that this is his last one. I don't buy that he calls it today. I think he's going to try the Camaroo. He's going to try the Kamarou for that featherweight title. For Camarro, I was the old pound-for-pound guy versus the current...
Starting point is 01:22:59 You mean, you're not ranked? How was it? How was this a selling point? They still might do that. Camarro will tweet for him. Well, the only fight. you can make a Suhudo. My point being is if Henry goes in there and just jobs him,
Starting point is 01:23:10 then I think that he actually sticks around for potentially some lucrative pay days. But in the event that it's like lackluster or certainly if he loses, it's definitely the end. Let's set the line here. Can we get a quick, quick odds from Long Island? Pretty wide. Plus 230 Suhudo minus 285, Talbot. Damn. That's a big person. So he was like shit against Barcellos, Talbot did.
Starting point is 01:23:29 Yes. But then rebounded big against the... What was the Brazilian kids name? Almeda. Felipe Lima. Lima. Excuse me. Lima. rebounded nicely against Lima looked really good, vastly improved.
Starting point is 01:23:39 Is it enough against Suhudo? Probably? Probably is the answer? But I don't know. I mean, the question is, is Suhudo full wash? Because he looked really bad against Song. Like, before the Don is physical experience.
Starting point is 01:23:52 Yeah, but he looked great fighter. Speed-wise, he looked a step behind the whole fight. Yeah, the whole, like, he got, frankly, he got bailed out by the weirdness at the end. He was getting thumped. He looked pretty bad in that fight. It was 3027, 29, 28, and two of the judges' scores. Is that true, Jed?
Starting point is 01:24:06 A standing pro boner offer to all female. That's honestly one of your better after. Shout out to you. I've been on the show enough. I'm surprised it took us that long to get to now. But, well done. That almost makes up for you fucking up the blur, obvious one earlier. You're right.
Starting point is 01:24:28 You're right. They can't all be begging. Shoot or shoot. It's like a UFC calendar. They ain't all going to be dollars. I don't know, man. If Suu-Doh can still take him down, he might just win because Talbot is really bad at that.
Starting point is 01:24:42 Like, he showed some improvement, but Felipe Lima is not in his fucking... He's not. Maybe the answer to this question will answer, who wins this fight? Who is Peyton Talbot right now? Like, where is he really headed? Peyton Talbot has shown some real ability, but a lot of the hype behind him
Starting point is 01:24:57 is because he is an irreverent figure inside of MMA. There was a big New York Times feature on him about how he's got this relationship, or friendship, whatever you want to call it, with Frank Ocean. He doesn't conform to traditional standards of masculinity in a sport that's like hyper-masculine in that way. And that has certainly set him apart and elevated his figure. 10-1 as a pro.
Starting point is 01:25:17 10-1 as a pro. He just looked really bad in the Barcelos fight. And the other part, too, is like, Sohudo is low to the ground, good at getting body locks and then trips, and Talbot stands real tall, you know? So this is going to be one of those ones that is an interesting thing. But it's like Talbot is one of these personalities where if he,
Starting point is 01:25:33 If he's able to break out, I think it can make a real big splash culturally because of how distinct he is as a phenomenon. I agree. I mean, that's, you nailed it. Like, he is, he's such a unique person that, like, I think most MMA fans probably, like, won't gravitate towards him, but he could bring in a very different. The outside crowd. Yeah, like a very different section of people because he is pseudo famous and connected to famous people in Frank Ochin. it's clear in legacy media loves him what yeah what did the barcelos loss what was the biggest worry you took for what did that he lost to honey barcellos who's like a good fighter but not a great
Starting point is 01:26:12 fighter was it the gas thing he's not a nice little run he's out of howne he's really cool he talked to him he is the definition of like a plus journeyman yeah like a guy who's been around but that just means he knows how to fist fight people like he he knows how to fight he has a way of gassing out young prospects yes and so like he he's like he's a way of gassing out young prospects yes and so like he He's, he's a guy who never fight for a belt, but it's just like, yeah, like, he's, for he Mastvedol was that way. He just kind of rolled high and got super famous at the end. Like, how when he's in that sort of category?
Starting point is 01:26:40 He's Jeremy Stevens. Exactly. And so. The hardest hitting 1.45 or. I know who he is. Respect. But, like, I don't, I don't knock him for that, but that is, it is a setback loss. And the question is always, how do you respond to your first adversity when you're a high-level
Starting point is 01:26:57 prospect, which is what he is. He looked really good. good against Felipe Lima who I like I think he's a very good like a talented guy I love the matchup I never would have thought of this fight because like frankly kind of why would Zahudo take this one it's really good like it
Starting point is 01:27:14 if he beats Suhudo you can strap the rockets to him like fire this guy up the rankings because he's to your point you started this conversation about judging this UFC 324 card in the Paramount era about like don't you want the UFC to build stars they're laying it out for him yeah they really are It's a really are. It's a really good point.
Starting point is 01:27:31 Long Allen, Luke, are you riding in any direction on here? Because I think all of us knee jerk would have said, great matchmaking, but I still like Suhudo. The odds makers don't. Where do you slide in there? That just makes me like Suhudo more. You're giving me him a plus money, especially this wide. Plus 200 or higher is crazy to me.
Starting point is 01:27:48 I could see like a 175 rain. It's guys because you eat in back. Yeah, why don't you eat more during a live broadcast, right? I had a mouthful of food. I couldn't tell you could tell. Sorry, I'll chew gum next time. We got to get his horned of dad in here one time, right? That would be probably one of our more highly critical way.
Starting point is 01:28:01 You're going to ask you, do you use condoms? Obviously not. Hey, oh, fuck you. I don't get the fucking ringer for that. I was actually throwing out my trash for the food I was eating that I could hear where you go. You deserve the horns. You did. Fucker.
Starting point is 01:28:14 Uh, who wins? See, now everybody's going quiet. Everybody got a lot to say until it's time to make the pick. It's a total 50-50 for me because, like, it's hard to be like, in my head, I guess I'll pick Talbot. Well, like, it's like, I don't know, Henry needs two takedowns. I think I have a Colombian coin in my bag. That should answer the question. I'm going to flip it.
Starting point is 01:28:36 I'm going to flip it. I'm going to, I'm going to. Would you have consummated the late lead singer of the cranberries? I don't know that that person jumps out in my bag. What do I have here? No. What the fuck is this? Oh, here we go.
Starting point is 01:28:50 Do you have several coins? No, I have a euro. No one does better analysis than coin flipping it. I'll have a euro. What do you have a euro in your bag? I have no fucking idea. Because he went to Barcelona. No, Madrid.
Starting point is 01:29:02 Which city did you go with your wife and it changed your life? And then you became a shocker before I ever met my wife, you fucking idiot. Oh, it was Barcelona, right? Barcelona? No, it was Madrid. It was Madrid. To me fair, Barcelona rocks. He talks so much shit about it.
Starting point is 01:29:16 And then he would go and be like, yo, this shit rules. But isn't that like, isn't that like a foreigner arriving on their first U.S. trip in New York, going to a Yankees game and being like, I am Yankees fan. Yeah. Brother, I've been all over. the world you've barely left the states look barcelain iraq so i got columbian money here ready i got 20,000 pesos you're gonna flip
Starting point is 01:29:36 a pace i got 20,000 pesos and then i've got a motherfucking euro how about that how about that all right we're gonna flip it so here we go if it's look do you stand by columbian coffee okay so the quality is high yes i don't i don't he got so serious
Starting point is 01:29:51 we are fucking around and he goes okay so the quality is high the quality of columbian coffee is high, the manufacturing quality is high. However, the style of beans and the way they cook, although they prepare it's not my preferred style of coffee. It's too floral.
Starting point is 01:30:08 Do you think a World Cup own goal should be payable by death in Columbia? No, that's far too much. All right. If the one shows up, I pick Talbot. Oh, this is great analysis. This puts the anal in analysis. Are you doing the flip or not? The one. Tell them. Tell them. Tell me, Talbot. Here's my. Here's my. I'm
Starting point is 01:30:26 I'm, dude, I want to feel like there's a a happy ending here for Suhudo that he can like retire on this but making that joke as a Peyton Talbot no I'm not but uh I will say so who don't he's let me down on this comeback like I think he had it in the sterling fight I just think he started too late in that specific fight and I give him a lot of credit on three years off even though we in hindsight and even his coach Eric albar racine agrees that like it was a bad move for his legacy and what he was building maybe he needed it for his personal life I don't hate the loss to marab even though I felt like he ran out of options there.
Starting point is 01:30:58 He just wasn't on Marab's left. The loss aged really well. It did. But that you donk fight, man, even short of the eyepokes, just, it showed me that he's, he's not on this level anymore, that he had to really go to extremes to even land shots and really get deep in his bag of creativity. I think he gets outworked and he loses a decision here at all, but I think that's what it is.
Starting point is 01:31:18 And then he retires, and he is, I doubted him throughout most of his run. I've come like a fine wine to age. with accepting and understanding how great he actually was. He's one of the best fighters of all time, Henry Suu. He doesn't have the resume to say that, but I think he was opportunistic in his window. I think he had some of the best fight IQ I've ever seen. I think he really evolved from the early version of him
Starting point is 01:31:43 who had that fight of the year with Joseph Benavitas to become the title winning version of him. After losing to DJ the first time, he became a different guy. There's no question. I mean, he's great, but this is the end of it. This is where it ends. And he'll be competitive, but it'll be in the team. 27. I mean, dude, a 27-year-old shouldn't lose to a 38, right?
Starting point is 01:32:03 The stats are pretty mega on that. They should not happen. So for that reason, and because I flip that way, I'm going to tell it. Fair, you picked Van, but that's also true of the co-main event. Right. Oh, right. Well, yeah. The stats are on your side.
Starting point is 01:32:16 If there's a 10-year age gap, it's pretty big. You're right. You're right. Look, what has been the biggest age gap in a female-male relationship that you've upheld? Dude, I'm not one of these losers who does that kind of thing. Probably at most a year or two. Okay, that's fair.
Starting point is 01:32:30 That's fair. That's good. Good for you. No, sorry, your mom. I forgot about that one. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Got him. Wow. Wow, I have a few follow-ups, but I can't for a few reasons.
Starting point is 01:32:44 All right. Hey, let's go to the main card opener. That was perfect. Wow, wow. Hey, look at me. Yeah, 42-year-old, former light heavyweight champion and big fan of suicide ropes from the forest. Jan Blahovic will come back here.
Starting point is 01:33:05 Jesus, what the fuck? Did you, that's where he gets his power from. I don't know if he's like a big fan. I mean, hey, you guys, keep killing your sales out there. No, no, no, no, no. He grabbed that rope from the suicide forest. I'm not doing a Logan Paul Japan. No, no, I know.
Starting point is 01:33:19 I've done that bit. I've done that bit. I know you're telling the truth about it. I know you are. I want to tell you about his opponent. though, Bogdan Guskov, who is riding a four-fight win streak all by stoppage. Only
Starting point is 01:33:29 UFC lost a submission to Volcanozimir who did have time for that bout. At 23 years old, this Uzbek is about to bang with Blahowitz. Guys, no one's talking about this fight, but it kind of rocks balls. Does it not? Yes and no. I love this fight.
Starting point is 01:33:48 I love No-Han. Put it up. Put it up. Whatever it is. Fuck him. I don't care. I didn't put anything up. Yeah, what are you talking about? This is, yeah. I love NoHo Hank. I think he rocks. He's super fun.
Starting point is 01:33:59 Do you know who this NoHo Hank is? This is the first time I've heard that turn. Bogdan Goosecoff looks like a character, NoHo Hank from a, don't worry about it. Barry from HBO Max. Great show. He's a killer for hire. Don't worry about it. Does the Bill Hater guy thing?
Starting point is 01:34:15 Yeah, that show. Bogdan Goosekhovich is really good at making. Was he 42? 42. Yeah, but he's really good at making people not look good. He just finished Kri-Lov. He just finished Kri-Lov. He did, and Nikki Kri-Lov is really fun, but, like...
Starting point is 01:34:31 He's real up and down. Real up and down, and he's currently on a bad streak where it's like, oh, he's actually probably just over, like, he's kind of just done. Yombovich is the best fighter in the world that making you look shitty. Like, anybody who fights him has been outweighed by all girlfriends. Not all of them. certainly some of them and that's fine I like them thick yeah well who cares
Starting point is 01:34:56 that's not even an insult usually you're insulting me that's fine those producers are vicious Jan Wilhovic is so good at making you look like shit even if you beat him like Carlos Albert beat him and look terrible so hard to look good again nobody looks good against him and I don't know if Fogden's gonna win
Starting point is 01:35:13 I hope he does because he's new and interesting and Jan's 42 but I'm waiting for the heavyweight version of Jan Blahovitch to come I'm waiting for actually this and he moved up. Honestly, I'd never thought of that. That would be really fun. Imagine if him, Yeri, who else could move up?
Starting point is 01:35:28 The big Austrian kid. Alex Pereira could move on. No, no, no, no. Rackich. Imagine if Jamal Hill just gave up training and got a big gut? He's Austrian. He just went out. Well, I'll be Serbian.
Starting point is 01:35:38 Could you imagine a big gut heavyweight, Jamal Hill, just throwing bombs in it? I don't know that it would work well, but sure, why not? Yeah. They should close down heavyweight and merge it with 205. Everything, heavyweight's just 204. Wait, who's fighting Derek Lewis coming up? Waldo. WCAA on that first card. He's 40
Starting point is 01:35:55 something too as well. Long Island Luke, what are the odds in this Blackovich fight? So Yon's the favorite minus 135, Gouskov plus 114. This is a step up for Guscov, but does Yon still have it? He is coming off, what, a layoff? Am I correct I thought Ulberg? Old Oberg earlier this year. Yeah, this year. All right, so it's not that bad, but that is
Starting point is 01:36:13 winless in his last three. It feels like he had a lot of momentum. Oh, 2 and 1 in his last three. Yeah, it feels like he had a lot of momentum and that momentum is kind of petered out. So it was a split draw on a title fight to Ankolaev. It was a split decision loss in Pereira's 205 debut and then it was the decision lost to Olberg. So it's not being dominated.
Starting point is 01:36:31 These are closed fights against you don't. Nobody looks good against him. That's a great point. You've got to ride Lojoveitch here. You got to. Yeah, I'm not super sold on Goosekopf that if that's what you mean. Do you remember that footprint that Lojavich put in the side of Dominic Reyes?
Starting point is 01:36:47 Yes. Reasonably, Blahevich is probably going to win this fight, but I'm going to choose to believe in Bogdn-Guskov because Light Heavyweight is in desperate need of like interesting young-ish people. So I hope Bogdan kills him. All right. And I like Jan. Transitioning out of the main
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Starting point is 01:38:43 Let's go with the featured prelim in the lightweight division. Grant Dawson welcoming Manuel Torres. Luke, that makes your loins do what? Not much. Really? I like this fight. It's fun. I mean, it should do something.
Starting point is 01:38:58 There was a time we believed in Grant Dawson and then Bobby Green sent him to hell. But he's won three in a row, Luke. Yes, he's very good. He has a very smothering, grappling style. It's useful as a way to both win and test other prospects, but you're asking to have a high degree of, like, interest in it. That'd be overstating it. Mani Torres, four and one in the UFC, did rebound from the TKO loss to Bahamondays in which the, let the rhythm take it over. That's by Lamos, yes.
Starting point is 01:39:29 Bounce back to stop Drew Dober. Are you feeling the rise of Manuel Torres in this fight? Maybe he's really, I mean, Grant Dawson is a, he's a one-outcome fighter. Like, he gets takedowns or he loses. Manuel Torres has been pretty good at defending takedowns historically. Not from the level, Grant Dawson, but, I mean, this is. is the most classic MMA fight of like, well, if Grand Dawson gets takedowns, he wins.
Starting point is 01:39:54 And Manuel Torres is pretty fun. So I like this fight. You shouldn't, like, feel a lot, but there should be a tingle. You should have something going in the loins for it. Luke is dead down there. Believe me, he's just, there's no movement. There's nothing happening. Luke, like that time showgirls came out of VHS.
Starting point is 01:40:11 What about this? There will be a finish in the next fight, lightweight. Terrence McKinney versus Chris Duncan. You got to feel something here. That's great. Tell me. Chris Duncan, actually, a pretty good fighter out of Scotland, obviously, right? And then Terrence McKinney, the evil caneval of MMA, which I say...
Starting point is 01:40:24 He's 31, by the way. As a compliment. That's an incredibly good comment. That's so good. I mean, it's going to be one way. How do you handle the cannon explosion? That's really the only... That one is awesome.
Starting point is 01:40:36 It's just a question of, like, what does Chris Duncan have to handle that kind of pressure, immediate, like, onset of pressure? I guess we'll find out. He's obviously more well-rounded, but... In the last two years, Terrence McKinney is four and one. with four stoppage wins, of course. When he loses, he gets stopped early. It's always feaster famine. The betters are feasting.
Starting point is 01:40:57 The entertainment watches are feasting. I had said this after his last fight. Is it time for Terrence McKinney to turn back the craziness on that dial and become a contending fighter? That would be the worst idea. Like, that might be the worst take you've ever had. Wow. Look, he's never going to fight for a belt. And that's okay.
Starting point is 01:41:16 Like, you don't, not every fighter. has to be a champion. It's okay just to be beloved because you deliver an expectation, a performance that people can gravitate to. Terrence McKinney is perfect because he's like Justin Gagee ended up winning belts and championships, but like if he didn't, he would still fight the same way. Don't change your Terrence McKinney is. Let him get her get got, baby.
Starting point is 01:41:41 Like, this is, I don't need you to be great. Just be you and it's perfect. this man this man Chris Duncan 5 and 1 in the UFC he was stopped on the Dana-Wa contender series by knockout against Slava Claus is he dead to you for life because
Starting point is 01:41:57 no because he rebounded against Rombechki and that was a big deal for me okay he's only lost by the way against Manuel Torres the man that you have no faith in I didn't say have no faith in I just didn't say I was especially excited about it but Chris Duncan to me has shown me some skills he showed me some resiliency certainly
Starting point is 01:42:13 so I like this contest it's just you know it's going to be chaos for as long as it lasts, right? That's a fair point. That's a fair point. Let me tell you about somebody who's coming off of a 21-month layoff here. Somebody that we consider a true contender
Starting point is 01:42:26 at 125 pounds, or do we? I'm talking about Macy Barber against Corinne Silva. It's that long? This is tough matchmaking, but yes, it's been that long since Macy. She had been back previously, but remember she got like, you know,
Starting point is 01:42:37 problems at the finish line. I just did not realize it was that long. So she beat Caitlinerra, Chukajian, back in March of 24. For the record, it's a six-fight win streak for Macy. There's a reason why we consider her as sort of a contender in waiting.
Starting point is 01:42:53 Stopped Amanda Hebaugh, split decision wins over Andrea Lea and Miranda Maverick, beat Jessica I and Montana de La Rosa, then beat Chukajian Cermanera, who's a gatekeeper in a sense. We know who she is, but can she be the fighter of old despite the multiple medical setbacks
Starting point is 01:43:09 that have kept her out? I'm going to guess yes, because she's still relatively young, but like it's a question, right? is i don't know she she was supposed to fight aaron blanchefield it all fell apart i don't know the extent to her medical issues but they seem not insignificant so this feels like the right kind of fight to bring her back into the fold let her get her legs under her i don't know what happened like like what's her ceiling really she obviously said she was going to be the next john
Starting point is 01:43:40 jones that's unlikely she's talented enough she's young enough there's a lack of star power in this weight class, she could bring that. This is a really good fight for her to sort of reestablish herself. So I'm interested. I genuinely did not realize it was that long since she fought. And by the way, Barbara's only two UFC losses. The wheels fell off against Roxanne Matafari when she thought she was angling toward a title. She got gassed out.
Starting point is 01:44:03 She was hurt. There was a few things. Then she lost the decision to Luxa Grasso, in which I thought she won. I thought she had an argument there. She's won six straight since then. A few split decisions, a lot of time off. of Karine Silver coming after her who's 5 and 1 overall
Starting point is 01:44:17 the only loss to Vivian Arrucho I still think the same motor that makes Macy Barbara great back fully healthy again is still going to be there she can take you down she can ground and pound she's mean she's aggressive does she end up fighting for a title I think she will
Starting point is 01:44:33 whether this is the one that gets her there I'm not so sure UFC's probably a little bit cautious given some of the health concerns and delays and or impediments that that has caused but I think is a general prospect they want her in positions of prominence for sure and i think she'll earn them long out look what are the odds here minus 180 for macy plus 150 for carina it's a yeah it's a tough fight probably about right yeah all right all right i'll be looking at that fight closely i want to
Starting point is 01:45:03 do all that uh to close out the preliminary portion of the card nizim sadikoff against ferris ziam the man who sent matt frivola to hell in france in a lightweight bout what are we expecting here? If you're saying nothing at all, then I'll just move on. No, it's a fun fight. Both guys are pretty talented. I saw, what's his face? He was cornering, Nazim Sadikov was cornering a guy. I was commentating for him for XFC. He's a big, he's big for that weight class, surprisingly. Although Ziam is kind of like, like lengthy for the weight class as well. They're both far enough away from doing anything super interesting that I think the conversation is a little premature, but this is a, this is a, this is a,
Starting point is 01:45:44 meaning of talented prospects. I can put it that way. Tadica, 4.0 and 1 in the UFC, the one draw against Slava Claus who keeps showing up in these conversations. He does. This is lightweights the best division of sport. You've been saying that for years. Even after Abandon Way took it over and out
Starting point is 01:46:00 Welter with us taking it over. It never did. I was always right. Well, okay, by Welter right now. History has continued to prove me, right? This is, this is why. Like, these are the top 40 lightweights, maybe. Something like that. And they're awesome. They're really good. Like, on a good night, they could be top 10 dudes, which is, like, this is why Lightway Rocks, like, Free C-Oms on a really good run right now.
Starting point is 01:46:21 Frankly, so, Sadecov, like... Seven and one in his last eight is the, um, the only lost by sub-tis Terrence McKinney, who will either get you or you'll get him. Yeah, so it's... This is exactly why Lightweight is as good as I've always said it is. Put a lightweight fighting a card. I'm in. That's it. I need nothing more.
Starting point is 01:46:37 All right, Jed. Let's go to the early preliminary card where suddenly some names pop up in the featured early prelimim on ESPN plus Disney plus and FX. Is that really true? It still airs on FX. Sure. I'm not sure. Oh, Lord. Marvin Vittori is somehow showing up here against Bruno Fahito. What happened?
Starting point is 01:46:55 What happened? Three losses in a row, I think at least, maybe four for Votori. Remember, he beat Roman DeLi and then rematches him and then loses. Three in a row and four of his last five. Yeah. Plus he's in dire straits. I mean, the guy was young and very good.
Starting point is 01:47:12 And you're like, oh, by the time he fully rounds out everything, he's going to be great. And then it just... He's only 32, let's be honest. He doesn't linear. He never found a finishing gear. Whether that be knockout submission or even dominant wrestling ground and pround.
Starting point is 01:47:26 He's sturdy as shit. He can take a punch like nobody else. He's a pretty good offensive fighter. You'd say he's a pretty good offensive fighter. Sure. He's fine. He is... Look, he's the 10th best metal weight
Starting point is 01:47:39 in the world at any given time. And that's... That is not a criticism. People don't... If I was the 10th... The 10th best podcaster? I was the 10th best MMA podcaster. That would be cool.
Starting point is 01:47:49 Do you think he's the 10th best disbarred lawyer in Georgia? Oh, there's a lot of disbarred lawyers. So I don't know about that. I used to live in Georgia, brother. There's a lot of them fuck. There's a lot of us. Wait, what's your Georgia hometown? Well, I live in Atlanta.
Starting point is 01:48:02 I'm from Savannah. You went to high school in Savannah. I went to high school in the most southern place in a whole time. So being a baldasta guy like yourself, when you hear he's from Savannah, do you look down on him? Or do you have respect? No, he would look. up at us because Valdosta is just, what is, where you're talking about it? I mean, the football team's great.
Starting point is 01:48:20 He claims Marietta also as a. I mean, Marietta is much more. I went to high school, a freshman sophomore in Valdosta, junior senior. Oh, so he's, he's much more. So Marietta's class year. Oh, Mary's, well, it doesn't take much of the classier than Maldosta for people. Yeah, absolutely a dirt hole. You can't argue that point.
Starting point is 01:48:37 You don't hear me jumping in to defend the honor of Valdosta. Have you ever been to big chicken? Uh, yeah, I have. Okay. I mean, it's an institution. Were we talking about anything important before? No, we could just wrap the chicken. We were talking about Marvin Vitois. No, we weren't.
Starting point is 01:48:52 Lightweight banger alert. Edson Barbosa, Jalen Turner. What are we expecting? Gailin Turner coming off of that retirement. Edson Barbosa been around forever. $39. Dude, who's more cut right now than Edson Barbosa? Like, just rip, old guy, red.
Starting point is 01:49:05 Is he on the assay? What's going on? He's on the assayee. I hope he shares it with me. Okay, he's riding. a two-fight losing skid. We'll watch it at least. Are you guys down on that Ewo Baraneski against Ebo
Starting point is 01:49:18 Arslan? Light-heavyweight fire. I like it because it's Ewo versus Ebo. The Arslan guy, the Turkish donk, he's kind of interesting for a bit, but I mean, we're so far apart. Yeah, but he's lost two in a row, though. He was interesting, and then he lost a bunch. All right. There's
Starting point is 01:49:35 two other fights, but unless you want me to bring up Antonio Tricoli, losing not only the head coaching position, but the boyfriend status with champion McKinsey Dern. I mean, Monsor Abdul Malik is going to slaughter that man, so that'll be fun to watch an execution. Do you have anything else to say before we slob our way to the finish? No, I mean, I think we covered every single fight except Nymov Santos. I don't have much to say about that. Yeah, that's the opener. We will be back, of course, on Friday to give you the final
Starting point is 01:50:03 fight week update, give you our final picks if they've changed. We'll look at what went down in the week that was for Fight Week UFC 323 in Las Vegas. Also, on Friday, we'll be getting you fired up for Saturday's PBC pay-per-view, right? Aren't you working at? San Antonio, BC on the call? Are we down for this? Lamont Roach Jr. versus Esauk Pitbull Cruz? Let's go, let's go.
Starting point is 01:50:26 That car in general pretty good. Yeah, really? It's on that main car. Yeah, Laura versus Janiback, middleweight title unification. Plus, I hear there's a great guy working it. Yeah, they're also. Fulton, Oshaki, this is a good. That's cool. Let's go. This is cool.
Starting point is 01:50:38 It's cool. Okay. Jedmeshue of M.M.A.Fiting.com has been our get. You keep touching my knee under the table. We're playing footsie. You guys are going to have sex. I really doubt that. Jed, we're big fans of your work. You know, I don't know why.
Starting point is 01:50:55 Maybe we can check you out this week on a few shows. What should we be looking out for this week if we're big fans? NMAFrient.com. It's a great website. We'll have a preview show. We do a watch party between the links. Yes. Once used Grand Pappy's Musket as a bomb.
Starting point is 01:51:10 I'd never done that, but that would be. incredible. That would be incredible. That's frankly a really good idea that I should investigate doing it. Did we use all the lower thirds? Yeah. Yeah, bro. Okay. Important. So now you have, you can think of new ones for the next time I come. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:51:26 I might find it come. It's great website. Great website. We'll see you on the No Betts Bard podcast with Long Island. That is right. Long Island Luke's joining me this way. Wait, how many podcasts do you have? Look, a lot. It's Jeds. That one's mine, but he comes on a lot. Oh, right. Okay. All right. L. L. L. Anything the fan should be looking out for before Friday when we reconvened here?
Starting point is 01:51:46 We'll do tape study on my substack and then live watch-along and post-fight show on YouTube. Oh, we tape studying? Who are we tape studying? We will tape study. It's a good question. We're probably going to tape study the first Yon and Marab fight, and then we'll do some Josh Van tape study. I wanted to tell you fans of the BCX that were back this week. We got interviews.
Starting point is 01:52:05 Wow. Bantosia, Van, Marab, Peyton Talbot. All right. That's a big slate. A couple of those I'm talking to tonight. get fired up this week, check out the BCX. It is, it's still alive, but maybe I'll be making a comeback. More to come on that.
Starting point is 01:52:19 To close here, Phil, this has been a fun event. Like, is it a top 25 pregame pre-vold time? Probably not, right? Just, just. Very forgettable. Yeah, yeah. But from a friendship standpoint, right, feeling the musk that, you know, as we can get that smell out of our face there.
Starting point is 01:52:35 Jed, what the fans really want to know is, what is your favorite 90s album of all time? You know? Yeah. My favorite 90s album of all time? Yep. Yep. Because, you know, if you said...
Starting point is 01:52:48 There were many good ones. If you said 10, if you said okay computer, I'd be in it with you. No, I'm trying to think, like, what is... Use your illusion one? I mean, where are you going with this here? 90s is, like, technically my lifetime. Yeah. And I went back to it, but it's like...
Starting point is 01:53:03 It's sneaky old, too. You'd think he's like a 28-year-old piece of shit. I'd be wrong. I'd be wrong. For a guy who's HIV-Py podcast. You'd never guess. You're about to enter the Tom Hanks version of your career, but it's the Philadelphia abortion, yes, yes.
Starting point is 01:53:19 Not the Polar Express. Is Pinkerton in the 90s? It was, it was. I'll go Pinkerton. By Weezer. Very, very good album. It's a really good album. Look, what is your favorite album from the 90s?
Starting point is 01:53:29 The answer is vulgar display of power. I mean, come on. Wow. By Pantura. That's fantastic. Wow. I'm going to go with 10 by Pearl Jam. What about you, Long Island?
Starting point is 01:53:39 I'm going versus, but I'm going to give honorable mention to Duky and Oh, Duky actually might be there. That's a Green Day joint? Yeah. I've probably listened to Duky more than any of the third eye blind self-titled. Also, the black album from Metallica is pretty big. Okay, also the low end theory
Starting point is 01:53:55 by a tribe call quest. Come on. It's also very good. It's a really good album. Come on, bitch. Oh, wait. 90s? Fuck. Enter the Wu-Tang was in the 90s. So yeah, that's the answer. I was with my wife. We went to restaurants on Friday. In Madrid. No, no, no, here in D.C.
Starting point is 01:54:11 And we left one and they were playing music there and it was notorious B.I.G. And we walked by another one and outside they were playing a different notorious B.I.G. song. And she literally asked, why do people like this? And I was like... But your wife also likes death metal, right? A different kind of death metal.
Starting point is 01:54:27 But why do people like this is why I say to her? That's what I would say to her too. Just not to her faith. Yeah, I've been to her concerts. They're the worst fucking shit I've ever seen in my life. Wow. What, row, row, row, row. No, they don't do that. Yeah. She gets the, she gets the, she gets the Norway Virgin fucking just stare at you metal losers. Look, would you agree with
Starting point is 01:54:43 something I said in morning combat four and a half years ago that the Tiffany Ambritheezen who showed up on 902 and 0 may have been the hottest moment of the 90s. I mean, we can wrap this up. Okay. We can wrap this up. You're not wrong. Cyber Monday sales still going
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Starting point is 01:55:41 Morning Combat. Da. Chop, you just... I wouldn't have bought it if I knew it was going to you. He could have got a free, you know, item, and he bought it one to support our show. Before anything, I'm a fan of... I'm a fan of the show. Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Starting point is 01:55:55 More than your fan, you know, that's a fair point. You know, sometimes the show is just so good you don't want to end it. You know what I mean? It seems that you're trying not to. Yeah, it's like very... Like Luke in middle school, just extending that thing. It's called the shit on. I mean, by the way, Night Eyes was Channing Tweet was a hell of a series.
Starting point is 01:56:11 I've not seen that bullshit. Call the show. All right. All right. For Long Island, Luke No Seed of the Main Card Minute, MMA fighting's Jedmashu and Luke Thomas from Amtrak bathroom fame. My name has been Brian Campbell and this is Morning Combat. Thank you for watching.
Starting point is 01:56:26 Thank you to Ken. The best, right? Never sober. Never sober. Ken and Nadir hope you feel better. We miss Matt Snyder today, but we have a lot of love for him too. Peace. We're out of here. This is an I-Heart podcast, guaranteed human.

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