MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC 325 Results: Volk Retains Title | BSD, Ruffy & Lightweight Division | Shakur Dominates Lopez0

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

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We are getting that updated. That is a thing that's actually happening. How you doing everyone? I'm starting to grow fond of it, man. Yeah, I don't like it. Hello, everyone. Welcome on this second day of February, 2026, for another edition of morning combat. I am merely one half of your hosting duo. My name is Luke Thomas. I join you from the

capital of Estatus Needles right here in Washington, D.C., with my Connecticut brethren, Chuck the Iceman, Mindenhall. Iceman, do you guys have the same problem that we have the snow crete that is blocking everything? Now, I saw you tweet something along the lines of you've never seen anything like this in the, and all of your time in Washington. Is this true? Never, never, not even close. Nothing even approximating this. This is the most insane thing I've ever seen in my life here. Okay. Well, we've had it. I feel like we've had it out here in Connecticut,

but the difference is the mounds are like higher than my rooftop right now, like that where they plowed it. And now that's just an ice hill, you know? So this is, we've had heavy snow like this before, but the deep freeze behind it has really made a mess. And so like, it's like hawth out here. Yes. There's just, yeah, the, from Star Wars, the ice planet.

Yeah. I try to explain to people. It's like living inside of a, freezer right now. We're like, there's ice everywhere and you're trying to get other space in the compartments and like there's just not much room for anything. You can't drive anywhere. Dude, I didn't realize how many people just abandoned their cars. And now because the plows have gone through, they've pushed that I, the dirty snow ice. So it's like, you couldn't dig that out with an excavation crew. I'm like, you're just going to get your car back in April or May. That's just,

you're not driving essentially until then. Even down in like, I have a buddy down in Charlotte and he was sending pictures like 12 inches of snow. I mean, that's just completely unusual for that area. Right. I mean, it's just, this has been a very strange winter that way. Yeah. I mean, the last thing I'd say is apparently like Boston did a much better job with this, but Boston gets more snow each year than we do.

So like they have better infrastructure. Like the deep freeze behind it has destroyed everything. It's been quite a nightmare. However, however, we have a fun show planned for everyone here today. Of course, we're going to get to the combat sports weekend that we had, namely the second event in the Paramount era. UFC 325 took place down in Sydney, Australia. We'll lead the show with that as well as get to that Shikor Stevenson Masterclass, your questions, and then a new game. And so in order to introduce that,

let's bring in the third member here of the party. It's my friend and yours. It's Long Island Luke. Long Island, Luke, what's this new game we're playing? We're playing Eskimo brothers. And you know, it might not be what you think. You know, we're not talking Dana, Brendan Shob, you know, we're talking just guys who have fought the same opponent. so it'll be fun. You guys will have not two guys who have banged the same sexual partner, right? They may or may not have. I cannot conform nor deny, but we'll see.

But yeah, guys, Volk retained this weekend. I mean, pretty good weekend for the Aussies. Let's just say that. Did you tell them, let me go back for a second. Did you like this event? I mean, like is a strong word. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed my Saturday, but, you know, I'm probably going to forget about this event

six months. I'll say that. Six months. I'm going to forget about it within, in the next 60 minutes. Let's just be honest about that. I can't retain. Dude, I can't retain information. I can, I can, I realize I can retain new information, but only if I let go of existing information, right? I can just sub it in, but I can't. What did you call it? Like, podcast brain. I know we had this discussion before. Like, you kind of, you kind of,

you kind of have to get rid of some stuff to let new stuff in. It's just, it's just the weather to me at this point. Like I can't focus on anything, you know. That's why the tribute, that's why it's rough for the trivia, right? Like, hey, let's talk about 2009, you know. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's the funny part. If it was 2009, I actually think because those are more of my formative years, it would be more like, let's talk about 2019. And then, oh my God, I don't know what happened in 2000. I think it drops off from me after that. Let's remind everyone, though, we still have merch. Now, the stranger danger design is gone. We may bring it back at some point. We'll see, but it's gone for right now. We do have some of the

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Chuck, if there's anything else, let's let me know. Otherwise, let's get this party started. Let's just start it, man. Let's just get rolling here. Let's do it. All right. Topic number one. I know you've been chomping at the bit. Let's talk. Well, hold on. Back up at one step. You know what? Let's keep it. We'll roll it into a topic number one.

Topic number one, let's talk about this. We'll start with the main event because I do want to have an event review a little bit later because I do think that for Saturday there were a fair amount of actually pretty important positives, but there were some lingering questions that I had as well. We'll get to that a little bit later. But let's start with the fights themselves. Topic number one, as I indicated, in the main event of UFC 325, Alexander Volcanowski defeats Diego Lopez again via unanimous decision,

this time with two scores of 4946 and then one of 5045. If you're asking what the scores were the first time they fought at UFC 314, it was two scores of 49-46 and then one of 48-47. So you at least had technically speaking somewhat slightly wider scorecards in the rematch. Chuck, the question for you is, and here you can see the scores themselves, one judge that gave the 5045 was Clemens Warner, which I think, to be honest, I probably would have gone 49. 46 in the way that Ben Cardledge did round two, but I think you could have gone 5045, no problem in this one. And I would not have had an issue with it. But my question to you is, I'm not really sure what we learned. So, Chuck, what, if anything, did you learn from this contest? Not a lot. And I know that we talked a little bit about this would have to go a little bit through the Diego

Lopez lens. Like you would have to watch to see like what he was going to do different. differently in this rematch because I think that we've seen enough evidence of Okunovsky and especially in rematches where you know he's going to make some adjustments he's going to come in uh you know he's going to kind of have your propensities down he's going to kind of know what he's supposed to be doing you mentioned cage cutting and you had you know this must have been torture for you to actually go through and watch this feudal act a second time and not see kind of Diego make the adjustments so the surprise if there was a surprise to this it was this that it looked very much like a facsimile of the first, with minor subtle differences.

Like, I didn't feel like Diego this time was headhunting with the sense of desperation earlier in the fight. It seemed like he was being a little more measured in terms of how he went about it, but to the point of being almost reserved in this fight where he's letting Volk build up a lead again, and then it turns into late a very similar situation where if he doesn't land a big shot, he's not going to win the fight. It followed such a similar, you know, know, pattern of that first fight and played out so incredibly frustrating. And I know you, I know you got stuff to weigh in on this that we didn't learn anything. If you took anything from this, it's just that Volcanovsky is on another level when it comes to this stuff. Because

once again, you know, throughout that fight, you could see him just piecing up Diego Lopez getting, you know, landing the shots. His strength in the fight would show up. Like, remember when he just stood up with him in his back like it was nothing? He just kind of like held him there for a second as the round ended out. I just, it's just one of those things where you're like, if anything, if you didn't learn anything, you were just reminded, I guess, of what a tough out Volcanovsky is. But from the Diego Lopez stance, we were just spinning our wheels, man. It was a waste of time. It was a waste of time. If you look at the stats, and I went through this a little bit, one of the things that you do notice is that Volcanowski's offensive output,

despite having slightly wider scores, again, they basically subbed 148. 47 in the first fight for a 50, 45 and this one, and the other two scorecards were the same at 49-46. So technically the fight was a little bit wider this time, although what's kind of interesting about it is Volk threw a lot less than this one, about half of what he threw. And maybe not quite that, but about two-thirds of what he threw the first time. And I actually did not realize this. Put up this quote from Joe Lopez, if you can here, Long Island. This is what Joe Lopez, this is the coach, of course, of Volcanowski and what he had to say.

four weeks ago, we didn't think he was going to fight. He pulled his shoulder out. He's been compromised for the last four weeks with a busted shoulder. I mean, as a guy who's had shoulder problems, who continues to have shoulder problems, it can be very, very debilitating. I think that speaks to probably more of why some of the offense was a little bit more, at least from a numerical standpoint, and that there wasn't quite as much volume. But, like, it, Chuck, I swear to God, I swear to God, I watched this fight,

And you see Volk try and circle to the right. And you see Lopez take a step over to block it. So then you're like, okay, all right. Yes, thank you. Finally. But then Volk just circles to his left and he just lets him orbit basically the entire time. And I'm sitting there to myself going, oh my God. You have got, we said it on MK last week.

It's a fucking IQ test. It's an IQ test. It's an IQ test of whether or not, again, if you look at, for example, and we'll talk about this, the Fiziv fight with Hufi. Fiziv did back him up and was corralling him and still lost. It's not a guarantee that even if you do it, you're going to win, but you can understand why Fizib would want to trap Huffy as much as possible, even in a losing effort because it's still going to constrain both his offense and his defense. Not enough in this particular case, but it certainly makes a difference. So it's not to say that, you know, maybe if Lopez does that, then we have a different outcome, but it's to say, what chance are you giving yourself in the event that you don't?

And you see the answer to this. They've been through 10 rounds. You could argue that Volk has essentially won all of them, maybe except for Warren, where he got dropped in the first fight. And this is to me the point that you're trying to make. Like, Volk is ahead of them. There are guys in this game who do things at a, they don't do things better. They manipulate things that the other fighters don't even realize can be manipulated.

They manipulate another fighter's rhythm. They manipulate space. They utilize motion. They take advantage of real estate. You cannot manipulate time, but you can manipulate someone else's timing, right? They manipulate these preconditions of fighting because they realize if you can change everything around that, the downstream consequences become a lot more manageable

as a consequence, which is exactly what you saw. Volk is literally not just fighting better, Chuck, in some kind of general sense. He's manipulating factors that a guy had 10 rounds to make an account for and still

couldn't do it. That was a gigantic waste of what is left of Alexander Volkanowski's career. And it's unforgivable that someone can be a world-class fighter and not fix something like that. He was downloading, like we've talked about this, like downloading information in real time, right? Like that's what Volcanovsky does. He's able to kind of see it. It's all, it's not a mic, like you just kind of

explaining it, a very good quarterback who sees what the defense is going to offer and he's going to manipulate what he has to deal with. He's going to, you know, exploit that. And there were times. And I think this is like in the body language almost and the facial expressions of Diego, where you would see him smile after getting hit or even laugh a little bit after a big exchange. And those types of things spoke to me a little bit about his mindset being that, you know, like almost like, hey, Volk, good one there, man. You got me on that one.

But that's how far behind he is on it because that was going to be there all night. It's just like with the first fight, right? Like it was like he was getting hit with clean shots whenever Volk wanted to go in there and do that. especially on the breaks. Like every time they, it seemed like every time they broke, especially after the first round, it felt like bulk had the last word

on what was going to happen in that exchange. Just that sort of stuff, like, it was a tough watch because I felt, you feel like Lopez, somewhere in the philosophy, I'd love to hear basically what they're saying, like what was the game plan?

What was different about this game plan? What were they going to try differently? Because I couldn't spot it. And honestly, you were mentioning like manipulation, of space. You've watched that to Ilya fight with Volcanovsky, right? Like, this is exactly what he did do him. Like, if you're going to try to get a

like, you know, like just basically get some kind of blueprint on what you should do, how do you hand a Volk, maybe you should watch that. I mean, it wasn't that long of a fight, right? Like, but you'd get a sense of what he did and maybe try some of that because I didn't see like, if there were adjustments, man, I just did not see them. I'm trying to, uh, I think there were two differences. But they were so insignificant that they were imperceptible. You know what I mean? Okay. One, he did get two takedowns and attempted five in this fight. Now, he didn't really get to keep the takedowns. He didn't

really do a lot, a whole lot with him necessarily. But I was hoping he would try for a little bit more offensive wrestling. You got some of that. Okay, fair enough. That's not nothing. And in the last fight, if you just look at the targeting by Diego Lopez, he targeted the head 77% of the time. That's either, you know, punches or kicks. But like, what targeting? are you doing 77% to the head and then 11 and 11 respectively to the body and to the leg this time he diversified it 47% to the head 24% to the body and 28 to the leg so he really had hunted a lot less in trying to go for the body and if you're going to try to corral someone chuck if they're moving this direction it often is better to try and intercept them for example with body strikes

rather than the head because they can duck under the head and then just keep going that direction the body kind of forces them to block. It's a little bit harder to move. But that's not even necessarily what he was doing, at least not in some kind of way. Also, he was switching to South Paul. For what reason? Couldn't tell you.

Like, what benefit did that confer? I have no idea. It just blows my mind. And I, it's almost like he's doing it just because Volcanowski likes to switch dances. And he's like, well, I'll throw some confounding things at you too. But it did nothing, right? If you're going to go that direction, like, what would it be to control the lead hand?

Maybe you want lead outside foot position. maybe you want to change the direction of which way you're going based on switching to South Pole, you want to go to your right more. Like there's things you can do with it. He just did it to do it. Like, oh, I'm going to give him a different look. But like, what does that mean? I'm going to give him a different.

You have to do something different with the look to make the new look different. You can't just be cosmetically different, which is what this felt like to me. And it just, I'm telling you, like, no one in this world should have imposter syndrome. And the reason why is because. I'm okay at watching tape. I'm not even great at it. I'm just okay. I'm okay.

I can, you know, I'm passable at it. But then for these guys to be in world-class camps to have this much fighting spirit, which I think you would agree, certainly of nothing else, Diego has a lot of fighting spirit. And then to not have any strategic shifts

of any noteworthy kind, really not a whole lot of tactical differences either. It's unforgivable to me. Yeah. It's unforgivable to me. And I don't know that it matters. though, right? Because who else besides Volk at 45 is doing

stuff like this? I don't know. That's true. Now, does he get classified in the don't kind of category? Because I know sometimes when you see enough of a guy. Uh-oh. What are we got here? UFC London main event is official. Lerone Murphy takes on Movsar. Oh, okay.

Well, that plays into our discussion. When is that? When is that? March 21st. March 21st. Okay. All right. They're going to make these guys pick each other off then. I know. Yeah, I wasn't sure they'd do that. But I know that this is on our, we're going to talk about this, but that's

pretty, that is pretty surprising. All right, but just to wrap up here on Diego, any final thoughts? Because I mean, this is the weird part, right? It's like, he didn't gain anything from this at all. I don't, but if Volk goes, it radically transforms

the kinds of fights that he would have. Now, maybe Lorone Murphy will be a guy who does something similar, Chuck, but it's not like you can now say, oh, Diego will never have a title, he still might just based on how a unique Volk is as a threat. And plus, Vogue's not going to last forever. But I will say this.

If the UFC's plan, and sometimes when they give a fighter that they really love a Mulligan like this, it's because they didn't get the result, the result they desired the first time through. Now, I don't really know 100% if that's the case. This might have just been strictly like, let's throw this guy in there because we know he had hunts, we know he'll put on a or we suspect he'll put on a show for Paramount Plus as we get kicked off. But what a backfire for the UFC if this is the case.

Because honestly, man, against the guy like Volcanovsky who takes guys like this to school. And I mean, honestly, the second time is always worse. It seems like when he faces these like in rematches. What a backfire because now you have, you know, one of your guys that I think that they really love. And they trot out Diego Lopez at every single UFC. It seems like he travels with them. He's part of that circus now. and now he's completely behind the eight ball and he might stay there for a long time as you mentioned just because i don't you know vulcanowski still looks really good and it's like if you were going to put him against the guy like lorone murphy next i don't know how you feel about this luke but i would favor wolkenovsky um so it feels like if that was the plan was let's give uh Diego sancho say maybe i keep saying that lopez another chance let's get him let's usher in this new era you know whatever it's going to be what an ultimate backfire and

the matchmakers themselves, I'm like, it was a little bit short-sighted, I think, in the end, because most fans who really paid attention suspected that we might see a fight just like this. Also, what's kind of interesting to me is they, again, we surmised, we don't know. Yeah. But we surmised that part of the reason Diego probably got this nod was that they thought that, you know, relative to Lorone or relative to Mofsar, you would get more action here. I don't know how much action they actually got. and I think the kind of other component here in addition to that is, you know, we've now had this fight and we had the Paddy versus Gaci fight.

Now, that one certainly delivered on the action, but there's been questions about like, what was the point of this? So let me ask you this. Volk now ties Jose Aldo, at least in terms of the title fight victories at featherweight. I'm not asking you to compare him to Aldo unless you feel like you want to, but I guess what I would say is we were talking like, what did it mean for this victory? I don't know how to answer that. However, you know, there is some kind of declaration or at least an additional declaration of quality here. How do you assess this kind of milestone in matching ALDA, at least numerically in terms of Title VIII wins? That was the toughest part about it for Volcanovsky, who actually handled it like a pro, right? They kind of go into a thankless task of saying like, hey, do it again. Show your work. We want to see that you, you know, that you can do this a second time. There's only one guy with huge motivation that can come into the situation, which would be. Diego who gets the second chance to right a wrong and not have to live with his loss. But to back it up and do it again, there's something to be said about that because as you

know, like GSP, for instance, had to guard against his own complacency. It's one of those things like to stay up there, man, you need to meet the hunger of all of these guys who are coming for you. And sometimes you need to double that effort. And you hear things like him being, Volcanowski having an injury with his shoulder, you know, four months out, but still sticking a third. through. I mean, his resolve, if nothing else, is as solid as any champion we've ever seen. And I think as a full package, when you look at it with the numbers, the resumes, if you compare

him to a guy like Jose Aldo, who stuck around for a long time and beat a lot of good guys, it starts to favor Volcanowski. Even if you want to make the argument of Aldo and all that, that's fine. But like, it starts to favor of Okunovsky. This one doesn't make a huge leap. That's the only problem, right? Like, even in a pound for pound discussion, what do you do with, well, we already had the evidence that he's better than Diego. So how do you move him up or what do you do with him? It was kind of a thinkless task, but I think for guys like us, man, to just see him and be reminded of how good he is at 37 years old.

It moves it a little bit. You know what I mean? It moves it a little bit. But I don't know what it does in the general public, to be honest, but hopefully it sets up whoever he faces next if it's a Laron or if it's Mowazar or whoever it is, it at least sets up a, you know, it sets up a big feel for the fight. a bad weekend for the Lopez's, whether you're a Lopez ends with an S or a Z, if you look at the boxing side of things too.

What happened to Mario Lopez? Something. No, no, he might. I'm kidding. He might have been, he might have been all right. But my point is, is like, if you just look at Shakur Stevenson and you look at Volk, I mean, they're both good athletes, obviously. And Volk is a pretty physical athlete, despite, you know, being smaller and stature,

relatively speaking. But that's really not why they win. It's not why they win. They win because they manipulate the conditions. of fighting themselves to stack the deck so that the house basically always wins. And then you have to change that in order to have an opportunity. So everyone's like, oh, Ilya's got big power. Ilya didn't, Ilya's big power didn't mean anything until he had backed him up and

controlled him. Right. That was it. Otherwise, it's absolutely worthless. Let's take a look very quickly at Volk's resume. I think we have a graphic for this. And this is a pretty good UFC career. Obviously, you're losing to Machachev.

you're losing to to ilia okay and those are not great but dude look at the rest of these names these are not bullshit names even all the way down chuck to the bottom row there's still some good names on there yeah oh yeah chad mendes i mean i know like obviously he's kind of older at this but i mean just the holloway thing because some of these fights you know they age really well because you look at holloway where he's at right now holloway's still doing it at a high level and you know to kind of stack those victories and sometimes guys have a guy's number but like Holloway's a thinking man too like he goes in there and he has a very

good game plan he sticks to it his stand up is boxing everything that he does to kind of like master a guy like Holloway through three fights I mean that alone I mean it's just it's like the stuff of anybody like if you have a legacy that you beat Holloway three times in his

and basically his prime that's going to hold up over the course of time we have a clip here from Volkanowski talking about what should be next for I think now we know it's probably going to be the winner of this UFC London main event. But nevertheless, I want to react to something he says here. Do I keep want to make them late and just, you know, again, so I've got a responsibility. I talk about having a responsibility as a champion.

I don't think enough champions look at it that way. For me, I look it as a responsibility. There's rankings for reasons, people that deserve it. If someone does get in, I'll be active enough to still give the people that deserve it a chance anyway, so I don't have to wait too long. But, I mean, if I'm just going to keep letting other people just cut the line, I'm not really doing my part either. So I'll talk to UFC, see what they say.

Again, I'm an easy chance at the end day. The UFC just push it or whatever, all right, but we'll see what happens. I like what he says there because on the one hand, he's like, I am a company guy. I'll put whoever they want in front of me, but he kind of takes ownership over it. I mean, like, oh, if I let these guys cut the line. To me, that's him telling UFC, please quit letting these guys cut the line, except he's doing it in a way where he takes responsibility for it. I actually have to say I don't know how much control he actually has at the end of the day.

I know he can decline fights or whatnot. But I do hope that they finally, it seems like they will based on the booking of this London main event, that they finally recognize it's a waste of this fucking guy's time, whatever's left of it, to be doing fights like this. No, I agree 100%. You know, it was weird. His coach had said something, of Okunovsky's coach, it says something beforehand. Like, do I necessarily want to see him beaten, like going up against these guys like Lerone?

you know, like these guys are all coming up for him, the younger guys now. Or do I want to see him in like some super fights like BMF type things? And he was like I kind of prefer the latter. Did you hear that? Like there was like some interview with this coach, the same coach that we were just talking about. Joe Lopez? Yeah, I believe it was Joe Lopez.

I did not see that. There was a little bit of a nod like almost where you're like, does he know something? Maybe he knew the shoulder thing? I don't know. But like you think back on that now and I'm like, I wonder, because I think some people read into it like, maybe he didn't have it anymore.

But obviously that's not the case. But I think it's awesome when a champion reaches this level and he wants the meritocracy. He wants the guys who are meant to be there because we've seen it a million times where a champion gets up there and gets very finicky, very fast, because they just, they want to kind of pick and choose their opponents. You never got that sense with Volcanovsky.

And I think that's another thing you have to consider when you look at his legacy in the end. It's just I feel like he was, up for any challenge and really under any circumstance because I don't think he says no to fights. Footwork boys and girls. Footwork. Your jab and your footwork is the stuff of kings. Speaking of footwork, Diego couldn't use much of his.

Yeah. He broke apparently both of his feet. The caption reads, some nights that if you're for folks listening on the audio platform, it's a picture of Diego in a hospital of some kind. He's smiling. But the caption reads, some nights you're at the after party. Some nights you're at the ER.

but every morning I give thanks for the opportunity to live this life with my best friends at Diego Lopez MMA and his feet are all red and busted up. I'm guessing. Why are his arms like that? It's like a doll sitting there on a shelf or something. Maybe he was reaching for a hug. I don't know. Could have been. I want to give everyone a big hug. I'll say this. I don't know if it was a kicking technique that was off or if he mismanaged range and he's hitting with the top of the end step as opposed to the shin. And that's why I got that way. I don't know. It's it's not the end. He apparently does, not need surgery, which is the good news. He can kind of let his heal on the zone.

What do you do with him next? Like if you're, this is the problem, right? Like you've put, you fed him into this, uh, the situation the second time. And now,

you know, his situation becomes more complicated. Like he's not going to be right there. Uh, even if he wins the next fight. I mean, as long as Volcanowski is, it has that title.

I can't imagine he's going to be fighting for that again. So you have a couple of options. So you've got Mosaar and Lorone that's respectively one and four they're locked up i guess now for this london main event which again good idea two and three is an interesting one because two is diego three is yair rodriguez who i believe if memory serves they have beef with one another yes uh al jane is sitting there at five and then jane rjohn silva is sitting at six you could do a silver rematch if you want it although i don't i don't really want to do that i'd rather get some fresh fresh matchups in

there but i like that yair rodriguez fight same here i think it's the slam dunk right like it's am dunk. If they want to do that, they should have already done it. This should have probably been the fight. He shouldn't have, you know, if you rematch make this thing instead of the title, that would have been the fight. So I feel like now that should be the fight to make. Long Island Luke, any thoughts about who Diego

should fight next? I think it should be A year, but just back to the Volk situation real quick. Is there a world where A, Lorone versus Mavsar is just a dud? Yes. B. Well, I know there's a world where that is, but be, B, in the next

month and a half the UFC just books Volcanovsky John Silva. Like is there a world that they just put John Silva in there regardless of what happens in that matchup? It's a good question. So I know John Silva has been barking about it on social media. Literally barking. I think that the only thing is

now that UFC may want to book that fight because we know that they, we know that they're not trying to expedite either one of these guys that are fighting in London. But would it take away from the London event, if you didn't have some kind of even false dangling carrot that this is possibly for the title, right? Like, I feel like if you're selling that that fight and that's what you're going to, like, that's the main event,

you probably want that possibility to be in play that it's for the title. But I'm not saying because we just saw this with Arm and Sarukian, you know, when he's fighting Dan Hooker and there's kind of, it's kind of promises dangling out there and they just go a whole different direction. I'm not saying the UFC wouldn't still go with Silva, but I think that they want the illusion at least that this next fight would be for the title. Like, you know what I mean? Does that make sense? Yes. Yes. I guess we'll see what happens. In the end, it was a reminder of Lopez not being completely out of the title picture or even

exciting fights, but just simply not being up to snuff. While even a hobbled, it appeared anyway, bulk is still vastly better than the rest of the pack. If they catch him, it's only going to be from fragility or father time or something else, but they're certainly not going to outthink him. As you can see here, Chuck has a tweet. You get the sense that if they fought 10 times, Volkwood confound and outclass Lopez every time. He just couldn't come up with answers.

That is basically the story of the fight. He was not up to task at all. I think the problem was this was your suspicion going into this fight, right? Like we had this whole discussion. This was something that you made, you were very prominent about. It's basically saying, like, I'm not sure that he will have the answers and he didn't. And so when you see it a second time,

that's why it feels like a waste in the end. Well, the last thing for me is we now have two cases where we have rematches, nine or ten months apart. You have the O'Malley one with Marab and now this one. And what did the UFC get from this? I mean, I guess Marab got the finish and that looked kind of cool for Marab. So there's something to be said for that, but nothing really. It didn't meaningfully add much to what we could have done.

So I appreciate how good Volk is, but I don't know. There seemed like it was all the choices that they could have gone with. All right. topic number two, let's talk about that co-made event, which was fun, a little bit interesting, a little bit weird. Benoit Saint-Dini, he stops Dan Hooker in round two via TKO, and he's surely BSD going to get a bigger name from this opponent, Chuck. But do you have any concerns about his ultimate upside?

Here's what I mean. In the first round, he's kind of getting picked apart. Dan Hooker's doing a pretty good job for the most part of staying on his feet. And even when he got taken down in the first round, it didn't. created to be super costly. He does get taken down on the second because he inadvisibly goes for a takedown and then gets reversed, which I don't know what the hell he was

thinking there, but he looked pretty good and BSD was just kind of reaching for stuff. So he gets the win. He looks good on the ground. He's going to move up the food chain. But this is one of those fights, Chuck, where I watched it, I'm like, I have questions about this guy still. Big time, man, because what you tell me, because like I watch this and the

problem with Binwa San Dinias, he always looks far more incautious than he should because he basically it's almost like he starts to ignore any on incoming danger. Like he'll just start to go for takedowns and he'll take a shot or two

while he's doing that or he'll just start moving forward as if he's kind of activated like, I got to just go crush this guy, got to go crush this guy. we've seen it a couple of times. I mean, he put a pace on Dustin Porre in that first round where he was getting, you know, he was getting clear. There was the stand in gilly and all that stuff,

but like he was getting, he was getting clipped on the way in a lot. But he just kept doing it. And eventually he's overwhelming Porriere, right? And this is kind of what he's, I guess he, his design is like, I'm going to beat this guy by onslaught. I'm going to just keep coming at him. I'm going to keep, uh, pressure. I'm going to try, I'm going to keep trying to dump him onto the cameras.

I'm going to, you know, just overwhelm him. And it worked. for the first round, but by the second round, you know, he's dying on his feet a little bit, and then all of a sudden when he starts get, you know, when he's trying to take his breath, Dustin's firing on him and boom, he's knocking him down, then he's knocking him out. And that's the kind of thing that I'm like,

I feel like we're not really evolving too far from that version of Santone. Like this particular version, he was getting, those body shot, the kicks that he was taking, not that they felt unnecessary, but they were, he didn't have to take him so, you didn't have to take that much damage to get this done,

I don't think. I mean, playing a little more cautiously would probably benefit this guy because it always looks like he puts himself into unnecessary danger in the end. How do you feel about it, man? Because I feel like his whole thing is, he's almost too aggressive to the point where he ignores. Like, he just, over his system overrides and he incoming danger and he's just like, I'm going to go do what I'm going to do. And if the guy catches me, it catches me. You know what I mean? Like, it feels to me, like if I was betting on him, it would feel like, you know, an unnecessary thrill ride. You'd be like, this is, why is he putting himself in this kind of danger?

I mean, there's the, there's the, there's the belief in oneself and then there's the belief in, you know, maintaining a kind of pressuring attitude that I do think he has and that's great. But if you don't marry that with the very particular set of skills that go with closing distance and you just walk and reach in a zomified way, you're going to get fucking stretched. That's exactly it. just nailed it. He comes in very slowly and deliberately. Like the guy see it from a mile away. And unless he gets in there and like he, you know, he really gets in there tight and he's able to do it. But like he'll take that damage. You're right. It's like he's just lunging very slowly towards his opponent. Very unnatural look to for a guy. Every time he should just, someone should throw him a bit of dice. He should shake him up. Shake it and then throw it and then walk and reach because that's really what he's doing. And again, the lower the level of the opponent, the more that that work. works just fine. And honestly, it can work pretty far into your career. But then you're going to get those guys where it's just not going to work at all and you're going to come across a wall. Yeah, exactly. And you're going to get that. Or even the guys who aren't necessarily like big punchers, you know, like folks, not necessarily big puncher. But just think about it. You're not going to encroach on him or he's not going to encroach on you without, you know, it's just going to be a lot more of a thoughtful process that goes into it. He just bites down on the mouthpiece and then just kind of barrels. through. You're what I mean? Like there's bullets coming down range and he's just like, I'm just going to run through the shit. It's really crazy to watch. It's really crazy to watch because

it's, I guess his initial red flags, like, because you're watching him come up, they still exist. He's still coming in with the same red flags and you're like, man, I guess that's why when he was mentioning Armand, it just, as much as, as much as I appreciate like you're saying, like there's guys who have, you know, they're going to put a pace on you and they're going to do that.

That's just how they're built. As much as that can benefit a guy like San Deney going against a guy like Armand, I don't know. I don't know if that works, man. Even like when you go back to that, that Moikano fight, you know, just in the way that he was getting hit in that fight, it's just there's a, I'm not sure he's going to be able to get by the very upper echelon of the division if he fights like that. He's got skills in really important ways.

His judo, I think, saved him a little bit in this fight, which was important. and obviously he's strong, strong-willed, good once it touches the mat. He's very good. He has good positioning. But he just kind of believe, dude, he's one of these guys. You ever seen,

you've got kids, right? Yeah. Have you ever given a kid a screwdriver to solve a problem the first time? Especially like a flathead one where they'll just punch it in and then they'll just try and turn no matter what, even if it's like fucking everything up in the process? That's BSD. he just takes it

he just I'm gonna turn this no matter what and it's like you're gonna strip the gear or the the the screw doing this I mean just all kinds of problems are gonna emerge over time when you do stuff like this he just everything is just I can solve that problem with a hammer don't you and you have concerns right

like if he's not if the fight's not over in the first round and a half what's he gonna do I was just looking at the head I was like has he wins that has he ever went to decision you have to go all the way back to the very beginning as the UFC career was the very first one in 2021 that he had a decision. Every single fight has ended. And honestly, like,

you watch him, his pace is incredible. Like, if you're able to, like, this is one of those things, but I'm not sure it's even sustainable beyond like a round and a half. That's another one of these issues. Like if a guy like Armand just puts up a front against him and is not going to, you know, he's not going to go away. What happens deeper into the fight? That's, I mean, it's a legit question for a guy like for St. Denis, man. There's a lot that we just don't know for as much tape as we actually have on many fights as he's had now. I'm not sure how many fights he's had in the Octagon to date.

Let's see here. He's had a bunch, actually, Jesus Christ. He's had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, four in a row. He's won since that Moikano loss with Kyle Prepelek, Maricio, Hufi, Benil Darius, and Dan Hooker. These are some good names. he's putting none of those other fights even went to the third round it's this you know it's just a it's a weird anomaly i mean the ufc has to love a guy like this right because yes they love a dude

doesn't have any self-preservation but especially one who can win you know but like uh there's a lot to i mean i just feel like we don't know enough about them yet uh there's a question about where we go from here let's let's talk about what bsd wants we have a clip and then i want you to react who would you like to fight next and it seems like out of the guy you mentioned, Armand's the one without an opponent. Would you be happy to fight him for that number one spot? Or do you want to just go straight past him and get into title contention? I'm fully focused on anybody inside the top five,

but the undisputed belt and the BMF belt are what are my first interest. My first point of interest is to fight the winner of Charles or Holloway or the winner of Justin versus Elia. But if it has to happen, I will fight Arman, of course, and I will take a spot. All right, Chuck. Which way should he go? I mean, if I'm him, my druthers would be to wait for the Gachi winner, right? Because I don't think, just given all the things we were just talking about,

you want to have a stay busy fight, especially against a guy like Arm and Sauru Kian. But I don't know. Honestly, what do you do with Armin Sauruqian if you're not going to put him against a guy like Santini? you know like what are you what are you doing with him at this point um he has to have an opponent at some point and i guess this one makes more sense than anything else on the table around him right now that are that are in position to be in a title right so i think from a standpoint of matchmaking that's the fight i would look at man if you just say his name like it's an english word and you call him saint dennis but no you get a little bit more of a sense of his donkery you know oh there's

Dennis. Dennis the Menace just fucking about here. I don't have a strong opinion about where he should go. I don't think it. I mean, I don't hate the Armand fight in the sense of, obviously I think Armin should be next for the title, but he's not going to be.

So now what do you have to do with him? That's a decent place to go. I don't hate that. I think to me, again, I don't know what they're going to do with Armin. So if they don't give Armin the winner of Charles and Max, because let's say he doesn't even want that, than BSD getting the winner of that to me is more is more interesting.

I don't think he's really close enough to be. Yeah. In a title, I mean, BMF title, but not a weight class title. And honestly, I don't think he's really figured out that part of his game yet. I mean, it's just one of these questions you have to ask yourself, like, what is that kind of a game good for? You're really good at wrestling. You fight a high pace, but you negotiate distance very clumsily. That's good for beating a lot of guys, but it's just not good for upper

echel on opponents. And maybe he was just fighting that way because he just didn't respect Dan Hooker. I don't know. But yeah. It could have been. It really could have been. It does seem at times he just kind of just, he even did that with Porre. And it like if you imagine a little bit of even Justin Gaichi fighting him, you could see Gaichi really punishing him for this, right? Like Gaichi. So I mean, it's not like any of these are a slam dunk either. I think that he's going to have to show he's going to have to show a little more restraint or something like it. But you're right, man unless he figures out how to shoot in quicker man just can't imagine the upper guys are going to chew him up i think dan hooker will be 36 in a couple of weeks i don't think he's necessarily not

still a decent contributor in the top 10 but you kind of seen the limits at this point um what makes sense for him next he in seroni territory i know people like to throw that out there like kind of these guys who are you know you're going to put them in there and they're going to win some of those fights even like against the top guys like he you know he beat gamra right like he was able to get a split decision there is that kind of where he's at like is that the territory you find him in at this point yeah yeah same here i think if you want to do the paddy fight and so if you want to build patty back up and i'm not trying to just throw hooker under the bus say he doesn't have a chance but that would be a good matchup for patty and it would actually be a decent matchup for

hooker and since they have the bad blood it's not the worst idea in the world you know i think that they've got the bad blood I think you can capitalize on that. Patty watched Hooker fight. We have a little bit of footage. This is Patty watching the Hooker BSD fight. Comeyne now, my very good pal, Dan Ocker. Let's see how he gets on with Benoit Saint-Denie.

These could end up just banging her out on the feet. I can see St. Denis taking him down, grand and paring him. But yeah, let's see what happens here. Danukas's been talking a big game, lad, so he wants to win, really, don't he? And then it could be me versus. him next lad in the summer could be me be here's whoever wins this fight really to be honest

I reckon stint any could take him down just grapple him as you all know I don't think Dan's a very good grappler sorry Dan lad if he gets come out of here every single thing I said about him just fucking not far yeah if he gets head and arm again lads who fights on the bounce looks like he's in pain near dan like it's just ground him panning them quitting there dan like it's a win for a ruckard if he survives this round like BSD get the finish good scrap Nice to see Dan get Tioed after this year he was shot. He probably enjoyed me losing last week. That was probably a generational hate watcher.

I never got finished. I never got finished. Well, your health might be better long term if you had. What do you think? Patty versus Hooker or Patty versus BSD? Could you do Patty BSD? You could. You could do that fight.

You don't seem that high on it. It feels a little bit like two ships kind of going different. I'm not saying the Patty, but we talked about this. Like, Patty, you mentioned this very specifically that it wasn't like you didn't see his best shot. Like he went in there and he coughed up all of his charms, essentially. I thought we got the best he could do against Justin Gaci. So you're saying, like, if that's really the case, right, like that we kind of know his ceiling, I don't know how that translates against a guy like Santini.

I guess it would be very interesting because we have our questions about Anthony, can he like take him into the deeper rounds and like maybe we find something out? I wouldn't be opposed to it, but if I'm the UFC, I'd probably look to do the hooker fight. They're both coming off the losses, right? And Hooker stepped into this. Let's face it on very short notice and held himself. Like he had a pretty good account of himself, right? Given the situation, having fought like three months ago, I don't think he loses too much.

He's still got enough juice, I think, for a patty fight. So I think that's the way I'd go. Hooker has an idea for what should be next for him. Let's take a look. Michael Chandler at the White House. I'll see it. I'll see you. I'll see you at the top.

Dude. Was that a park bench? A park bench with a mouthful of food and a black eye. I'll see you at the top. I know, like I don't, I will say, though, if you recall, that's one of the few wins that Michael Chandler has in the UFC. He knocked him out, remember? That is true.

Yes. Man. So you could run that one back, but. Is that a big attraction? Is that going to get you over to the West Lawn or wherever that's going to be held? Are you going to. I just think if you're trying to rebuild Patty on the feet, you can see Hooker's a tough customer. At range, Hooker can be a tough customer.

But I just feel like there could be enough ways for Patty to win that one. It's a it's a grudge match. They're both coming off losses. It just seems to set itself up a little bit. I don't know. Every time we get something tidy like this, though, the O.C. doesn't end up doing what we think they'll do. So we'll see.

It's a question of also what Hooker wants. Does Hooker want to fight Patty? I don't know if he wants that or you'd rather have like another old warhorse like Michael Chandler, you know. Before we get to a topic number three, let's talk about Super Bowl 60 boys and girls. Super Bowl 60 coming up. Is it this weekend, Chuck? I think it is, right?

It's coming weekend, yes, sir. Super Bowl 60 is coming up this weekend. Say again? I said Sunday. That's right. Sunday, Sunday. Yeah, I won't say it. Go ahead. Super Bowl 60, by the way, because it's here and because it's the biggest sporting event in this country,

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I am going to cheer for the Seahawks. It's a little bit reluctant because the Seahawks beat the Broncos very badly about a dozen years ago, the first Super Bowl they held in New York, very cold weather event. But I am going to go for the Seahawks because I just cannot I can't bear another idea of like a Patriots reign again. I mean, we're just too soon out of the other one, right? Like, I feel like we got to, we got to put him down right now before it gets rolling. So I love Drake May, though.

I think he's a good player. And it was fun watching him all season kind of develop and uses legs too with his arm. But I think that defense, man, for Seattle's going to chew him up. I don't have anything against Drake May at all. I actually do think he's a great quarterback and he's totally fun to watch. And there's a part of me that's like, I wouldn't mind if he did well on his own, if the Patriots actually end up losing. But there's people in like there's,

I don't know if you notice. There's like Jaden Daniels antagonists. Oh yeah. Well, they're like, oh yeah, DC should have picked Drake May instead of Daniels. And I'm like, I don't,

I mean, the jury's still kind of out on that. You know, I don't know how true that is. After his rookie year, it's like, it's all doing. Come on.

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limited time offer. With that in mind, Chuck, let's go to topic number three, which was the rest of the UFC 325 main card. Now, to me, the most interesting fight, genuinely, the most interesting fight on this card was the one we're going to talk about next. Namely, Mauricio Hoofie gets a second round stoppage over Rafael Fazeve, although he was losing, I would say the majority of the first round, had a better end of the first round, and then a great second round, obviously, stopping him there. What does this mean for Huffy? Because here's why I asked, Chuck,

there's no question that beating an equality opponent like Fiziv means a lot. right no doubt about it a move up in the rankings high quality name on your resume but it's not like the things that bsd showed us were a problem were ever really challenged in this fight so it ended up just being a really cool striking fight which i'm not mad at trust me i'm not mad at but what i'm trying to say is i understand who he's going to get pushed up the line but without these other bigger questions being answered how much faith was restored by this win Well, I think there's some because anytime you come off of a loss, especially as a guy like that,

who I think who was getting, you know, some rub and some hype from the UFC, especially as the fighting nerds and all that. Like sometimes that can parlay into a losing streak. And this was a very tough draw for him to get Fiziv. It was, I think it was like the betting line was basically even. It was like a coin flip type thing.

And that first round, I thought Fiziv, you know, using his kicks and just kind of, you know, being the aggressor, I was a little worried because it looked like, it looked like if he was going to be a little holstered.

Maybe he wasn't going to unleash. Maybe we weren't even going to see him come at him with the strike. But then when he did do it in that second round, there was something that was like, oh, man, he is so back, but not just back like maybe he never went anywhere. You know, with that big right hand. That's the kind of thing that's such a great equalizer for him. And he's so explosive. So I think that there was a bit of like, he's back.

He's going to be who he is. But I'm with you. you know you you'd mention as we were kind of talking about this that you would try to like take him down because maybe this is the one vulnerability this is a weakness within his game and why would you want to play in his in his power source why would you want to be in his wheelhouse and stand with who he um i think faze was credited the just one takedown attempt and it might have even been do you recall when it happened because i feel like maybe the first round i'm going to look here i'm pulling it was it was a little bit like a uh it was almost like by default like it wasn't like a fully committed one. I feel like... Second round. Excuse me. Second round. But it didn't feel like, you know, it didn't really feel like that's what he was aiming to do. So even to give him that one attempt, you're like, ah,

and I feel like that from a Fazeve's standpoint, being where he's at, you know, with the recent losses. And then he had a very good rebound fight in his last one. I was, I guess I wanted to see him try that some more. You know, just to, just to give himself an advantage, just to see

get more data on, like, where's who he at on the we never got that. So that, you know, there's going to be, like, for Fazeve, I don't know if that was part of his game plan or not. We've mentioned this before you and that he loves to stand in box. I thought that he probably would want to show that he could out box him or out kickbox him.

And that's the danger of that with the guy with Hoofee, right? So I think he should have mixed it up more. Would have liked to have seen it. But, dude, I take nothing away from Hoopie. He took what he was supposed to take and he landed the big shot when he needed to. And did you see the poise when he landed that shot the way he just kind of coolly closed in on him to finish it. I mean, I see snipers like that, man, and you can't help it get excited.

Yeah, I mean, on the one hand, I'll say, like, you know, did we get the answers to questions raised from the BSD performance? Well, no, I guess we didn't get answers to that kind of stuff. However, however, this is by far the best guy on Hoofee's resume, by far. King Green was the next best one. And as good as King Green is, he's obviously older and he has hands way down, you know, and he's very hitable. whereas Fiziv is still trying to play defense actively, right? But the part to me that's interesting, Chuck, and the part of the fight that I like the most is Fiziv was ready,

and dude got right in his face. And as we mentioned, corralled him from the very beginning. Like, absolutely took that fight by the scruff of the neck and was like, I'm going to make it mine. And Huffy was patient. He didn't panic. He didn't make bad decisions. Took him a while to get his offense going.

That is true about three minutes or something. so. But after that, he really never looked back. He began to land. His jab was doing phenomenal work. And then you mentioned that long range right hand. That was the one that really clobbered him. You know, to me, very, very selective about his offense, but very effective with it at the same time. High pressure situation, high pressure opponent. And he looked fantastic. For me, it's one thing if you're styling on a guy that's walking into stuff and has bad defense. Yeah. That's not what Fiziv was doing. Obviously, he was hit a ball because hello, he got stopped with strikes in the end. But, you know, he was, he was applying a forceful Chuck methodical plan.

And Hoofey withstood it and then returned serve and ultimately got the win. I do think that there's a lot of value to be gleaned from something like that. Yeah, for sure. And like you could see him kind of getting his rhythm going too. And I feel like he might be one of those guys. Let me ask you this, man, because obviously he's with the fighting nerds and they have a good team. They're a little spread out these days. And I know that like even Hoofie was talking about relocating to New Hampshire.

last year when I thought last April. So he ended up going to Australia's with the city kickboxing guys. But did you notice anything, I guess, from that that you could pick up, you know, from like what you saw that like, hey, man, maybe this, maybe he's tweaking some things to be a little better with his new camp. I mean, he definitely, he was a little bit more on. He didn't throw stupid weapons. How much of that is the opponent? How much of that is the new camp? It's really, really hard to say.

but like, for example, he was, as we indicated, he was really backed up. He was throwing punches. He threw a couple of knees, and he did throw some kicks too, but I'm saying, you look at some of his other fights. He's doing, like, acrobatic, like show off shit. Yeah. And this one was much more calm, much more focused, much more dialed in. And as we indicated, the offense was a little slow to start,

but once it got going, it never turned into a roaring fire, but it turned into like a consistent kind of jackhammer. Ba, bah, that kind of a thing. And to me, it just, I don't know, is it maturity? Is it was it maybe also, we haven't talked about this. Maybe like, dude, he didn't just lose to BSD. He looked terrible. He looked terrible against BSD.

This to me looked like a guy who wasn't, you know, Jayon Silva had that terrible loss to Lopez. And then this fight was not barking when Bruce Buffer was introducing him. Right. Here you have Huffy taking also a bad loss and coming back in being a little bit more stone faced with it, yet still creative and whatnot. I wonder if that played a role as well.

I noticed too that his corner. I mean, obviously, like, these guys have been working with him for this fight, but, man, the emotional outpour. And I know, I know he was undergoing some tremendous emotional trauma going into this fight. As we learned, yeah, see this here. I mean, let me read this if I may for the online, the audio listeners. This is a quote from Riso Hoofey at backstage following his UFC 325 win. Quote, a few days ago, my brother passed away. So I was very emotional with this.

A few weeks ago. I think he meant to say, I got influenza. And today in the morning, I had so much pain in my back. I almost can't move, can't walk. And I know that God is helping me today. So I'm super, super happy. Jesus, man. Like you look, I mean, first of all, to fight under that kind of that circumstance is just very tough.

But his corner, you know, these guys that he had in his corner, it was a very emotional thing. And I feel like he was very connected to these guys, man, already. So it would be very interesting to see if this becomes more of a permanent thing or if he ends up back with a fight. nerds but that version of like you know you put that up here in each guy now each fight all top three had something that could have kept them from this fight can you imagine if all of these had acted maybe in a normal ordinary way of like a regular person said you know I'm not going to fight my brother just died or you know I pulled my shoulder out or whatever it is before the fight I'm not going to fight this they would have been in trouble but all of these guys

somehow persevered and showed up to the octagon the UFC is very fortunate that all all these guys made it, man, going through so much. You're right, though. He did seem to have, it's a great point you made, that he seemed to have a little bit of an extra connection to the corner of this time. Yeah. And partly, I'm sure the circumstances as you raised were challenging,

but then also, I'll tell you what, Hoofie's 29, Chuck, if he wants to get better, and I mean truly wants to get better, and he's switching up his camps, he has time. He has time. He has time to really begin to do something special. I don't know if he will,

but I really, liked his attitude with this one. You had a no bullshit guy in front of you putting pressure on, landing heavy early, and he didn't panic, he didn't waver, he took his time, and he methodically won. That's going to be an interesting matchmaking

process for him because... Hoofee? Yeah, but I mean, only because of the last two guys you gave him are like these perennial kind of top ten dudes, and especially now with you know, San Deney kind of being where he's at, where he wants to kind of fight the top guys.

it'll be interesting to see what they do. You know what I mean? Like because and also like you mentioned, like you don't want to put him, like if you put him in there against a guy who may just really take him down, you know what I'm our attempt to do that. That could just kind of be the end of that too. So I think from his team should be a little selective here as,

as they manage his career as well. Let's talk very quickly if we can about Fazeve. Golly, man. Yeah. I've been waiting for this guy, Chuck, to turn a corner, turn a corner. And he gets so close and he looks the part and then he just doesn't. he fell apart twice against Gachy.

He did have the injury in the whatever fight it was, the Arnold Allen, or I forget who it was. Gamma, wasn't it? Yeah, Gamera. What am I saying? Ronald, yeah, I'm sorry. He had an injury there, so that's not really his fault. But he's 33 now, 33 and some change.

I kind of thought he'd be ready to take a turn here. And again, one more time. I liked his approach to this fight for the most part. The lack of takedowns, it would have been nice to see him really diversify that, maybe a little bit more. But honestly, Chuck, you can't go in there and say, oh, he came in unprepared.

This is like Lopez where he just had no fucking idea what he was doing. He had a lot of good ideas. It's just, dude, Hoofie was really good. And we also talked about this. I was like, if you know,

the truth of the matter is you can get caught against a guy like if you choose to stand with him as good as, and I was pointing this out with Viziv, man, he's had a couple of pretty, I thought masterclass stand-up fights. I always think of that Rydell one, was when I first saw it. I was like, man,

this guy like in box. He can really, like, up he can incorporate his boxing really well. And this time I felt like he was using his kicks to really good effect, you know, for creating the spacing and also just for effectiveness and going to the body a lot. It seemed like a good approach, man. Like you said, like he was corralling him.

There was no, I almost have nothing against his game plan other than to say like I would have liked to have seen him at some point. Maybe when the jab was landing or something like just try for the take to like sell out a little little more just to see. Only because we knew this was a big spot for Fiziv, you lose it. it, you may have lost your chance at a title ever, right? I don't know if the UFC was going to expedite him to a title at any point soon, but to go one and four in your last five fights for a guy with that kind of upside potential, it's going to be tough for him to overcome that, man. It was a

big spot. So I would have liked to have seen him try everything before going out like that. I don't know if it's possible, and I'm not sure exactly how much of a difference it would make, even if he could. But he has consistently looked undersized to me. Does he look undersized? to you, he was smaller against Gachie, he was certainly smaller against Huffy. Yes. Like he, and if you notice against the lightways, he's always got a speed advantage, which great, that's fine. But it's like, if you're that smaller and you have a speed advantage, maybe you should be at 145. I don't know.

That's actually a good shout. I wonder if he could. I mean, I haven't really looked into his like, you know, where he cut, like what he weighs. But you're right. As I'm thinking about, especially against Huffy in this last one, man, whofie looks huge next to. Huge. So that might not be a, that might be something. if he's able to do that, that could kind of resurrect him.

He's still young enough, too. Like, you're, you know, sometimes guys are, he's been in a lot of battles, but like, sometimes guys at this age, they're still kind of in their prime years. So, I, you know, maybe that would be the thing for him. I don't even know what to say about this next fight, Chuck. Jesus Christ. Taito Ivasa hasn't won in four years. He is 0 and 6 during that time.

and yet, Chuck, he entered the Talasin-Teshara fight, ranked 12th in the fucking world. Look at these rankings. Now, of course, they're going to be, these are the ones as of this moment. The new voting will come out and this will alter it somewhat. But like as of fight time, this is what it was. Talosin Tashira sitting at 15 and then Ty sitting at 12.

Chuck, he cannot beat anyone at this level anymore. you had the two most tired men on earth hands on their hips the universal sign for fuck this I'm old and tired looking at each other dude I don't

heavy weight if the UFC came out and said we're just going to get rid of heavyweight I'd be like okay fine yeah fine no problem that's sad but I just kind of like that these days and the saddest part is you're showing that graphic of the the Rankin's I'm like well Talosin moves up to 12 and Taivasa moves down to 13, you know?

That's like, because what else is behind these guys? Like who's 16 through 20? I mean, it's just, it's, that's a bad division right now. And it doesn't help that the top of the division is in such, you know, upheaval as well. Like, you can't get anything going on. It's just, that was a weird one. And I think, like, when you saw that first round play out, and there was a, moment very early second round where you could see both guys

right at a moment when they could like both guys could be engaging whatever they both were taking large breaths and you're like oh boy here we go this has the potential to be who was the one at u.s.c. 150 in Denver it was like the famous uh you know the one I'm talking about where they kind of died on Ben Rothwell that's yeah I told you my brain only works for the things of a certain important time you know well that's because back then we paid attention to everything like yeah exactly and there weren't as many events but but yeah it was it had those vibes From that moment, of course, that was in Denver where it's like 5,200 feet.

And this one was in Sydney. So I just knew, I mean, you just knew what we were in for the rest of the way, though, from early second round on. Yes, there we go. Yes. Yeah. Bro, listen to listen to this is, I mean, this is not a definitive list. There are other lists you could go to. But this is 10 years ago, February.

So it's now February 26. This is February of 2016. Number one, you had Fabrizio Verdum, arguably the greatest submission heavyweight of all. time. Number two, Kane Velazquez, three, Steve Amiochich, four, Alastor Overim, Overeem, winning in K-1, winning in MMA. Obviously, Ben Rothwell was sitting at five, JDS, one of the best jabs in MMA, certainly for heavyweight sitting at six. Arloski was still sitting at seven at the time. Brown was there, Josh Barnett, and then Mark Hunt, obviously, a decorated kickboxer himself.

And that's not even the very best that I've seen the division, but even that is like miles better than what we have today. I cannot believe the disrepeachers. pair. Dude, how is the UFC? I mean, I know the answer. I know the answer. But don't you feel like someone at the UFC needs to have a conversation with Dana and be like, look, just for two fights. Let's just sign Francis. You don't even have to show up for these events. We'll put John Anick out there for the press conference, blah, blah, blah. You don't have to wrap a belt on anybody. Just bring this fucking guy back, have him fight some big, couple big fights. And then, you know, whatever. You can call it a day after that if you want. Let's go get Rico.

Let's go Rico Verhoeven. Let's go actually make some big sign. Because what the homegrown crop is, just shut the division down. You know, just close it. And it's, it's not like the, you know, the writing wasn't on the wall because you just went down that list. And if you recall back then, all these guys were in their mid-30s, they were going to age out eventually. And they just have not done a good job. I mean, there just hasn't been like a movement.

Like you get in these other divisions where there's young guys who are coming up the ranks and you're like, watch out for him, watch out for him, watch out for him. We haven't had that at heavyweight. So it remains like an old boys league. And then you get to the situation now where all the woodwork figures who probably wouldn't even be in the top space at all in the other eras are now ranked. And you can't get rid of guys like Ty, Tui Vos, because honestly, I'm not even like, he's one of the bigger names in the division who still draws like a fan interest.

So what do you do in this situation? I'm with you 100% though, man. like if if you're just trying to get this division like exciting again to try to you know anything just give it a you know a life preserver the francis and gano thing is out there it's like like get past the pride point of this bring him back you know what i mean like you still got jones who's you know willing to fight i know he wants the white house car but like you got you still have jones out you still have aspin all you start you could regenerate that you mentioned rico i mean that's a perfect thing just given like where he's been and what all he's

done bring him over i mean do anything but right now man it is a mess and there's nothing exciting you like you like you look at that top 15 do you get excited about any of the matchmaking that you could do in that like at this point like there's very little in there that you're like oh i'd love to see this

and the words of habib numignaumigramadeov who cares brother who cares that's so true and that's not where you want it to be indifference is never going to sell fights you know i said this on my post fight show and i got the year wrong uh but it was august of 2005 at Pride Final Conflict, 2005, where Fador at the Saitama Super Arena fought Mirko

Krokop. Actually, the main event was Shogun versus Arona from that tournament. That's a hell of a card, by the way. I mean, get the fuck out of here with that. That fight, that fight between Fadar and Krookop was 21 years ago, 21 years ago, and is vastly more thoughtful and advanced, technically speaking, than what you have today to say nothing of, you know, the way that they look physically, like these two guys just got a lot of,

what we call loose change hanging around them. You know what I mean? Like the decline is, I watched this and I was like, these are Bellator prelims. When two guys are so tired that they can't punch a defenseless opponent in the third round, that's a Bellator prelim. At the end of that fight when Tuva basically

had turned the tables, all he had to do was to get up right, get up and land a shot or two, it's over, but he couldn't do it. He couldn't physically get to his speed. And I was like, shut this motherfucker. Fire of all

and move on. Just set it on fire and collect the insurance money. Last but not least on this main card, Quill and Saul killed, Chuck. Short work he made. of Jamie Malarkey in their opening bout. He did a phenomenal job in this contest. He wins it at 302 of round number one. He basically did whatever he wanted to now.

I don't know what it means to beat Jamie Malarkey in this way, and the way in which he has. It obviously means something, but it's really hard to say. However, I'll say this. Kid looks good. Kid looks good. He looks pretty good. I feel like Malarkey was a little bit of the Clay Pigeon in this role.

Like you're like, all right. You know, because I feel like they understand. They understood this. killed is like this guy from the region who has a chance to kind of do something big especially coming off of that uh that head kick ko of a hack per ass like you put him in a situation where he can kind of showcase the great thing is he did like sometimes you put these guys in um who's the dude we just pointed this out uh he did he fight this week you pointed out the canello's opponent and his name is slipping me the guy and somebody went right through him oh william skull yes we were

we were just talking about this. It's like sometimes you go again, like you put a guy who is an aging guy going against somebody who should go right through and he doesn't, right? Sometimes you put a guy who's a prospect against somebody and we've seen this a little bit with Peyton Talbot or guys like this. And they have trouble a little bit because they're just not, it's a lot of pressure to go in there and actually treat a showcase like a showcase. But he didn't have any problem. And actually that's what makes you like, you know, kind of look at him a little differently. It was just kind of the poise. And when he got that trip where it was a beautiful trip he like takes him straight down he winks over at the you know the broadcasters

and like that kind of poise and control man like you got to pay attention to that that that they always talk about the it factor i feel like this kid's got it right like what is he 26 years old so yeah i'm not sure i got his something like that he's very young so i feel like he's got that thing going for him yes uh quillin saul killed with the weirdest name ever just turned 26 so if you're 26 and your 16 and your skill sets this mature. And yes, as I know that prior to the fight, Long Island, Lucas pointed out he was like a gigantic favorite. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. But my point on that is he did exactly what he was supposed to. There was no question that he fulfilled a very easy mission, but flying colors nonetheless. Yeah, you still got to get up for the guy, right? Like, Markey's still decent, he's still a decent

fighter, so you still got to get up for him. He didn't take anything for granted. He went in there and did his business. I mean, couldn't have showcase better. If it was meant to be a showcase, he did that. Let's go to topic number four if we can, which is now the UFC 325 prelims, which, listen, going into it, we didn't have any illusions that it was necessarily going to produce the most interesting or meaningful action. For me, Chuck, the one standout performance, and I'd love to get your opinion on either this one or whatever, if you have a different one than this one, for me, the Jonathan McAuliffe performance was the one that I liked the most. He beats Obon Elliott. Obon Elliott came out looking ready to go. He had, uh, he had, uh, he had, uh,

He was hurting McAuliffe over and over again. But somewhere along the line, the tide begins to turn. McAlef ends up winning at 331 of round number two. The fight goes to the ground, and Elliott's defense just like, I don't know what happened. It just disappeared. And McAlef's physicality really came into play here. So good job on McAlef, kind of rescuing himself from a fight that maybe was slipping away

and gets a nice victory over a guy's got a little bit of hype coming out of that UK scene. What was your sort of standout? on the prelimbs from this there wasn't a ton but i would say that the the billy elecona fight like only in the sense like junior toffa came out and we know he's a heavy-handed guy and he's going to swing and in the first round dude he's landing i think he knocked down elecona it's funny because i was i was doing some stuff and watching you know you're like you're keeping an eye on you're walking around every time i looked up it looked like alacana was getting like just worked and uh i saw him get dropped and then like later in that round he got clocked a couple times and

it looked like it was all one-sided and then the next time i come in right out of after the round, you know, they're on the ground and Elecona's getting the, he's getting the choke. So I went back and watched the fight and that was a pretty good job. Like you were mentioning in the, in the your fight, like he had to kind of weather some stuff and figure it out. But once he did, you know, he was able to get it in his world and got a rear naked choke. So I thought that was a pretty good performance in a kind of a big spot because it was right before the main card when everybody else is tuning in.

So I give him his credit. I think he's won like three in a row now. The tough of us, boy. on the feet they got something for you on the ground no player they don't play that game at all long island luke let's bring you in here our resident prelims no one is hornier for prelimm action than long alley yeah baby let's go so let me guess i will say this the cam roused and fight over cody brundage took a little while for him to kind of break through but once he did that looked pretty good the one that drove me nuts um long island was the jacob malkoon fight over torres finney

he could basically do whatever he wanted to Torres Finney and he kept grappling with him that would slow the fight down rather than just putting the guy away. It was a little hard to watch. Even if I grant, Malcun certainly he could do almost whatever he wanted to, it seemed like. Yeah, I could see that fight being frustrated. You know, as the degenerate gambler,

I did have a Malcun decision bet. I was loving every second of that because he could have easily finished him. He did not. Similar to the con off-le fight, it was a controversial majority of scoring there was a little off. And it was in favor of Khan-Offley. awfully. I had a con awfully bet. So I was probably the happiest guy in the room. I celebrated like you got a knockout after that. The letheby scorecard giving him a 10-8 second round I thought was the right

scorecard by the way. Not the whole thing, but that 10-8 I agree with. Yeah. Yeah, I can't remember which I didn't give like any round to con though. I don't know how all three judges gave him one and three. That's kind of wild. But whatever. Teres Finney, you mentioned his striking, you know, pretty, pretty good there against Jacob Malcun. Some would say. We go class, great analyst. Torres, Finney has not blocked, slipped, parried, or caught a single jab this fight. Probably ever, if we're being honest. I felt really bad for Seb Cisely, I believe his name is.

He's out of Perth as well with Quill and Saul killed. And that he was winning the fight clearly on his way to a 3027. There's about two minutes left in the third round. And he eats a knee from hell. Dicious from Nakamura. I got a shout out Gaff, though. Gaff was like, my lock of the week is Nakamura by K.O. and he was looking like it was nowhere close to happening

and then that happened. Luke, you shouted out Nakamura going into this car. He was losing. He kind of pulled it out. He's shown flashes of something. But that was a nice win. But the rest of that card, I mean, yeah, bro. One name guys and road to the octagon.

Yeah, road to, road to boredom at times. Road to distracted scrolling. It was one of those. I saw Anik, what a fernic? few weeks saying something along lines of maybe we need to get back to you know 10 or 11 fights.

Remember he was kind of like short? You watch events like this sometimes and that's when it comes into play. You know, like you just, you know, there's just too much at the bottom. Let's talk about the event overall because I do think there's some pointed criticisms that do need to be made as well as some big improvements that also should be

underscored. Let's start with the improvements. I thought this broadcast was much better. Much better. It started quicker. the pacing was pretty good. I think my, so the main event and my post show, which went like an hour and 20 minutes, I was done at like 1.30.

You know, that's pretty, that's pretty early. Usually it's an hour after that that I'm not done. So I thought that that part was great. I do think that the picture itself, Chuck, on the Paramount Plus, was glitchy, but the stream was steady for me. I don't know how yours was. How did you feel about their pacing fewer ads this time? I thought they got this one a lot better.

Me too, man. The pacing I thought was great. And especially with the main card, like the main card comes on. And it just, it felt like we were just moving very quickly through it. And like you said, man, when when you don't have guys walk into the cage at midnight for the, you know, or beyond midnight, 1230 for the main event, like it feels like a win. But like these ones, you know, where you're basically done with the card around midnight. I mean, I can get used to this. But the pacing itself, man, it was much better.

I did have some issues. It wasn't like, so what was happening is I had it up on my TV and it would just, it would just blink out and then go back to your like apps page. And so I'd have to reconnect and go back into it. This happened to me like three or four times during the action. So I don't know what was going on with that, man. I never really had that. I've had other problems with ESPN Plus, but that wasn't one of them. So I don't know if that's something to, you know, with just a weird thing on this one.

But for the most part, I had no complaints, man. I thought that even the commercial like you mentioned, like it felt nothing felt defensive or intrusive to this. Now, on the other side of this, the fights were over and I'm not, I, this to me was a glorified fight night. This to me felt like a UFC fight night card with a title fight at the top, which they've done before. That's not a thing that that's not that they've done.

Excuse me. That's not a thing that they have shied away from at times. But it kind of felt like that where it was just, a bunch of regional fighters for the most part on the prelims. And then you had, you know, again, Quill and Saul killed's fine, but like it's a minus 1,000 fight as a favorite that he's in. Then you had Taito Ivasa, which just, what the fuck was that? And then the fights at that point had some meaningful ranked guys going up against one

another. And so fair enough. But then you're like, well, you didn't, again, Huffy we talked about, he showed some great promise, but there were still some things that were lingering. Comain, Dan takes himself down. I didn't love that. BSD just, you know, reaching. And then you got a main event where it's like, well, what was the point of that? This is my takeaway from it.

I thought the UFC did a much better job presenting at this time. However, it felt like a very perfunctory event that you could have canceled this one, done it a little bit later, more fleshed out, you know, gotten rid of some of the pieces, added some better ones and had a real main event. I realize that the calendar and the restrictions that they have in terms of like they've got Australian partners that they have to do shows there for. it's part of like their tourism deals that they have. I get that.

I'm just saying as a fight card, it felt a lot like empty calories to me. I agree with you 100% man. And I think, you know, obviously front loading the numbered events, I guess whatever we're calling them, the numbered event,

the former pay-per-views, and they wanted to have a second numbered event to kind of draw in all the subscribers to Paramount Plus. But this wasn't their best effort that way, right? Like I felt like it was, I felt the exact same way you did. I was more excited about the two lightweight fights than anything else on the card. And I mean, that was just kind of how it was designed.

But any of those lightweight fights could have easily just been fight nights, right? So there was no big bang for the buck, like from the days of the pay-per-view where you're like, okay, this thing, this hinge fight or whatever is going on, we were going to find out a lot about this. I guess to an extent those lightweight fights had some of that. But the way they played out is what you're saying. The way they played out in the end didn't leave. much for that. Like it just felt like you're right. You walk away from it just looking forward on the county. You're not really looking backwards. So that's it for me. That's our that's our

discussion for UFC 325. Let's end today's top five with a little bit of discussion around boxing. And so what do we have? We have from I think it was the ring six. I have to go back a ring ring five. I forget the actual number. But it doesn't matter. What it really matters is that six yeah six yeah shecour stevenson yeah ring six sorry chikor stevenson bro handles teo femur lopez handles him you could easily argue very easily argue he won all 12 rounds it's not that difficult to do i think you got 119 on two of the judge's score cards let me ask you this chuck yeah is it fair to say following scho's win over teo that stevenson deserves to be ranked very, very, if not number one pound for pound,

he's clearly in that top three echelon now. I think he's got to be, man. Like that's the type of thing. It's also the escalation, right? Of like, in boxing, like, what was you? You went to the Bud Crawford fight. Like, and I remember you were saying, like, this is the best live fight I've ever been to when he showcased in that

moment, right? Like he wins this. Because Errol Spence. And there's something about the escalation of a moment. moment and and showing up and then doing something like that. There were 21,000 people's Madison Square Garden. It's a big deal. Like you've moving up and wait.

And I think that like just going against a guy like Teofima who, you know, he's had a name for a while now. And like to go in there in a bad blood where you wanted this fight and a showcase like that, it's like you said, it's 12 nothing. And I have to admit, you know, as I'm watching it, I'm doing a post-fight show on the UFC. So I'm watching it with one eye while I'm talking. And I was able to kind of go back and watch through it a little bit more.

But it's just, it was masterclass in the sense that the guy just completely confounded. And like you're mentioning, you could apply the exact same things you were talking about Volcanovsky into this fight. Like this disruption of space getting in the pocket, you know, but like not getting hit. Just being so elusive with his movement, his footwork, everything else. Like, dude, it's just a. master class performance and I think sometimes in boxing especially when you get a big event where people are really paying attention against a big name opponent like that that's when it matters and uh and he came through with shining colors man um yeah I mean as far as I'm concerned that dude backed up everything he was going to say and also I'll get your take on this too I mean I love his post fight man I just think that he's got like a lot of personality and him like you know going after Connor Ben and all that stuff I'm like to me that's this is what you want to see isn't it like a guy who's like I'm not satisfied I'm going to even do something crazier next. I'm going to even do something crazier next. time. He was even tweeting yesterday, I'm him. And I'm

like, you know what? I'm not going to dispute you. You just might be. Yeah, I mean, you know, again, I know Max Kellerman is prone to extraordinary levels of hyperbole and obsequiousness these days. However, he did make a point that I thought was pretty good and pretty interesting,

namely that he's like, this is one of those times where like, you know, when Floyd had a vintage performance coming up or even, you know, Pernell Whitaker, when they had a vintage performance. And that's just as a contender, but I mean, like, you know, really establishing themselves as one of the dominant fighters of their time, you know, this will be looked back on this win by Shakur over Lopez will be looked

back upon in that kind of a way. And I think that's probably correct. This was a real, again, the coming out party is not quite right or, you know, again, this was a put up the, put up the graphic we have of all the titles, this guy has won. And remember, he was coming up a weight class here, right? Because he's typically done it at 35. This was at 40.

This was, by the way, at 138 and some change. was the heaviest he's ever been for a fight. So he's now won the WBO featherweight, WBC Jr. Lightweight, WBO Junior lightweight, Ring Jr. Lightweight, WBC Lightweight, Ring Jr. Welterweight, which is super lightweight. And then WBO Junior Welterweight, of course, again, that's super lightweight, which is at 140 now.

So he comes up a weight class. And dude, Lopez could do nothing to him. I know. But really was amazing to me because I missed this fight last. I went back and I watched it yesterday. He saw everything coming at him. everything. He had Lopez swinging at air, desperate. And I want to point out something else. Everybody, especially casual fans, but hardcore fans too. We all love big punchers. Everybody loves big

punchers because it's terrifying to watch. But the reality is, if you've got footwork and a jab, truly chuck at any weight class, that will take you very, very far. And when you've got elite footwork, work. And an elite jab, I don't know who can stop you in your respective weight classes. And to me, it seems like that's who Shikor Stevenson has become. Yeah. And you know, like in the way that, you know, Bud Crawford

or, you know, any maestro, right, anybody virtuoso goes in there. And you're used to, especially MMA fans, if you've watched MMA and you're trying to watch boxing, there's some guys who will show you the beauty of boxing, right? When you watch them, you will see

it. You will understand something, even if there's the transcends kind of just going for knockouts or or that sort of thing just within the movement and grace you know and like all the stuff like that and I feel like that's what you got in this fight too like it changed like there's there are certain guys who just communicate the nuance of what all that means better than anybody else and to see a guy like if you if you paid attention to uh you know teafima who's had some big fights and some big wins and sometimes he's not showed up um I was at his fight with Barbosa the last one that was on Times Square and, you know, I felt like he's, I felt like he wasn't all the way there.

Like it wasn't his great performance, but I thought that he would show up in his best form. And maybe you can tell me, man, if he was, we couldn't see it because he wasn't allowed to be. And that's like when you see the guy who can do that like Shakur is doing, man, it's special. I think that that's, those are the guys if you're, if you're trying to get in a box that you should watch, right? Would you agree? Like, because they're going to show you something. Yeah, I mean, I always like watching power punchers too. and Shakur's never going to be that, but

but he dares you to, he dares you to hit him. Yes. I mean, he's not like, he's not, he's not high, like he's not doing the Floyd Mayweather thing like he's a defense, you know, like he's, he's daring you to hit him. He's just finding him is, is the problem. That to me is like, it's so fun to watch, man. He's a fucking ghost.

Yeah. He's an apparition in there because he's not like Erislandi Lara who, you know, again, I'm not, I'm not, believe me, I'm not clowning Volk, but Volk was rotating on the outside, right? Rotating on the outside. Chakour kind of just steps to you a little bit, steps to you a little bit, steps to you, and then steps out when you throw or he parries the punch or whatever. But dude, he was chewing Teofimo Lopez to pieces. And I want to point out something that he said at the end of the fight.

I don't think we have the clip, but it's been on my mind. Namely, they were asking him, like, I think one of the media members asked him, Chuck, they're like, how did you know everything that was coming? You could just see everything. Yeah. And he was like, I do tape study. I do tape study. And I'm like, Diego Lopez, are you listening?

Are you listening to this man? He's a silver medalist in the Olympics, maybe he even should have had a gold, whatever. But like look at how good this guy is and what is he telling you he does? Tape study, tape study. He actually thinks about what the problem is that he has to solve and comes up with a plan for it and in a very, very, you know, simple kind of way,

but a very direct way as well. I don't know. I thought it was a virtuoso performance, the kind of thing that really is going to. And I think also from a box office standpoint, Chuck, it felt like he took a bit of a turn as a star. I think so too, man. And the sport with this one too, right?

Yeah, I think so. What would you do with him? Like, if you're him because I got to fight like, you know, Dalton, you know, you're going to fight Dalton Smith or somebody like who's like, one of the title holders there. Like, do you take like the next big step? I feel like that's kind of where he wants to go. I don't know what they want to do with him.

Lopez, by the way, said he was going to 47. so I don't know if they're going to make that boots fight. I don't know if boots can still go to 47 or 54. That's an interesting one. But for Shakur, I'm not, I'm not sure. They were kind of teasing the Connor Ben idea, as you indicated. Bro, he would fucking. Where would you do it?

Like, 147? I don't even know. It doesn't matter. He would abuse Connor Ben. Like, that's like it's sort of like a ridiculous. You think so, no matter what? No, I think you're right. I think you're right.

Like, I'm just, I guess. I mean, if he was like one, 60 or something. I feel a little bit different, but I don't know. Who are the title holders at 140? I'm not even sure who. Dalton's one of them, right? Say again? Dalton Smith, is that the dude's name? Like, it's one of them. Like, they're no names. They're not going to be the types of

big draws. Richardson Hitchens. Oh, Hitchens is an interesting one, although he's coming. Subreal Matias just lost. Kishon Davis is an interesting one, but I think they're still kind of close. Sandor Martin, Martin. The other one that's kind of interesting, it's a PBC guy, is

Gary Antoine Russell. So last night on Zufa boxing, Rio Valenzuela fought. And remember, he had beaten Pitbull Cruz. Cruz was the one who was just in his last big fight against the DC guy here, Lamont Roche. But the guy who

beat Valenzuela, before all of this, like pillar to post, was Gary Antoine Russell. So that's kind of an interesting one. a couple East Coast guys. You could do that. Again, I don't know, though, what PBC would do in terms of letting their guys just moonlight elsewhere.

Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Very quickly, very quickly, I do want to talk about this co-main event. And by the way, on that Zufa boxing card last night, we had Jose Valenzuela defeating Diego Torres. You're tuning in? I turned into pieces of it, for sure. All right. Serje Boe-Bochek, taking on Radzab, Butteyev. He wins via split. That was a fun fight.

I watched portions of that. The one that was more interesting is I cannot pronounce the guy's name, but he knocks out Vosdick. TK.O in round seven. Vosdick was winning that fight, basically dropped him. I think he dropped his opponent at least once or twice, and then Vosdick gets dropped twice, and he can't recover, and then they wave it, a hell of a comeback for him, but that's not what I want to talk about. Kishon Davis. Kishon Davis was in the co-main in this one, taking on Jermaine Ortiz. Not a lot of guys know who Jermaine Ortiz was. Very good, very crafty, well-schooled technical fighter. Davis is becoming a body snatcher, dropped him twice to the body.

believe in this fight could not recover, finished him off in the 12th, rather than this fight going to a decision, and then put out this call out after the fight. Who's on your hit list next? Devin Haney. Why is that the fight for you? His father in my DMs keeps screenshots stuff that we're saying.

I don't know what he's screenshoting for, but Devin Haney definitely on my hit list, and we making that happen, 2026. Congratulations, Kishon. Thank you. Kishon Davis, a guy who had fucked things up for top rank at the end there with his homecoming fight, totally blew it. Left Beaumack, the legendary trainer of Bud Crawford. I was like, oh, I don't know, Chuck.

Same here, man. He looked great in this fight. Huge redemption. Makes you wish he didn't lose some steam because I was at the Barronchick fight that happened at the MSG Theater last year. And, dude, it was, you know how you know like a guy, you just feel it. some aura with a dude. Like when he got in there, man, and he fought that fight and he won his, he won that belt. He won his first belt. Like, you could feel it in the room that this dude was

going to do something big. That's why when he was going back to Norfolk, wasn't it? Norfolk where he's from? And that whole thing happened, you're like, dude, don't screw this up. Because we've seen it in an MMA plenty where guys, you know, they're having their moment. They do some things to screw it up. And I felt like he could do this. That's why this one felt like big to me. Like kind of, you know, up with the new way. but like just kind of just show I felt like he communicated that thing I saw you know what I mean where you're like okay this dude is still going to be a problem and then the call out Haney there was nothing wrong with any of this stuff man I so he's 26 years old and that's one

the good thing about some of these guys we're talking about these boxers man like some of these guys are super young and they're already at that phenom level or they could be like they could be doing box office type things and I feel like he shon's definitely one of those dudes man yeah I totally agree. I wasn't sure if he was coming or going, but he still has a very bright future. Now, we're talking about the Kings of the night, but it is a sport of Kings, and what else can we say about Jarrell, Big Baby Miller?

Just get, I mean, they talk about getting your wig split, and he got his wig split. He literally got his toupee punched off. It was like a cartoon, dude. Dude, put up the graphic we have of this, or whatever, whatever we have. He punching his head off, hair off of his head.

That's crazy. Come on, Gerald Miller. They're about to call. Oh, my Lord, man. Bro, the sport of motherfucking kings. And then people pick it up. And then here's Sky Nicholson wearing it very briefly to lots of laughs around her. I don't even know what to say except, dude, every, I've been watching combat sports for basically my entire adult life and even longer than that.

And I still see something new. almost every week. Isn't that the great thing about fighting? It's like there's always going to be something like this. Have you ever seen some shit? This was regional MMA, a guy getting his toupee punched off. And then he won the fight,

by the way. He still won. He did. And then I just have to conduct everything, you know, with the like whatever the Pope's thing he's got going on. But, uh, or Julius Caesar,

whoever used to wear the little lore, whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But to have to go through all of that, at least he had a good sense of humor about it.

But man, that was, that is some wild foot. It was like a cartoon. Like we were watching in slow motion. You're like, this is what you'd see in a cartoon. They're going to paint like an exit on the wall and have him run into it like Wiley Coyote, you know? Here, open this box that says acme on it.

It's a bomb. All right. That's our top. By the way, did you watch Zupa boxing? It was better this time. I didn't watch Zufel, but I did catch the Xandazias. I mean, like that dude too, man, like a big deal, 23 years old. Already, you know, unifying tithing.

like he was in porto rie i think he was a i think luke would probably loop long island would know like he was a i thought he was a pretty big betting favorite going into this fight but uh i don't think he was that big considering it was boxing but he was like a minus oh no i meant i meant underdog i thought he was the underdog oh no no he was definitely the favorite because i had him in a parley okay well anyway but like going home like a big showcase porto rico and all that i thought that that was again another young name to pay attention to he was on that same kishan davis card i saw last year and uh that dude seems like he's got it too, man. Dude, they put a, they did a million dollar gate in Puerto Rico with

basically no real television partner. That's wild man. It's pretty good. That's pretty good. Some young guys coming up. All right. That's it for our top five here today on MK. Now it's time for you guys to ask us questions. It's time for DMs from the dickety dogs. Here we go. That's the sound I'm making my wife's ear when we have children. You know what I'm saying? All right. Let's go topic number one here. Let's see what we got. From a man and his cat, how are you enjoying the hour earlier start for UFC cards? Do you think Paramount may play with this more? Chuck, I'm not going to say it's saved my life, but it has certainly, in terms of last Saturday, I appreciated it very much. I like it. I mean, we've only had two of these so far, but like that hour

makes such a big difference, man. It really does. Like those walkouts when they're coming well after midnight man and it's just so counterint two of it isn't it like you shouldn't be exhausted by the time your main event comes on i feel like just that saving that one hour man has made a huge difference i love yeah i don't have much to say just yet but the earlier they can go the better and i can't get i do when i see the like those they have those apex cards because you know for me it's always a question about whether i'm going to watch apex cards live but then they'll be like oh the main event or the main card starts at like 5 p.m i'm like okay all right deal i can i can i can live with this. You know what I mean? Yeah. So we'll see. You would prefer all of the cards

are at 5 p.m. Like if that would be ideal for you. If they if the fights could end before sundown, it'd be to have this day of my life. All right, let's go next. The from a train how you fight 979. The no meritocracy approach worked with the gauchy paddy fight, but I think it failed for the UFC last night. So what we're talking about is Lopez not really earning it and getting back there. Although I do believe this because I was talking about this with somebody else. else. And we had mentioned this on Friday, Chuck, which was, you know, showing up and having a phenomenal performance at that Noce UFC made event against John Silva probably also played a big role. But it's like, dude, who at the UFC is watching tape? Because Silva just doesn't do the things that Volk does.

He's, again, he moves, but his feet are planted. Volk fucking rotates, you know, it's like it's a completely different guy. So like, I would love to know what they thought they were going to get this time relative to what they actually got. And I do agree with the spirit of the question. Patty, Patty, Patty Gachie's probably okay. But even then, dude, the fighters, not the fans. The fighters last week were like, that's one of the sloppiest main events I've ever seen. There's definitely some hazards with this kind of matchmaking approach. Yeah. And I think that the, uh, the Diego fight never happens if he doesn't just drop. That one drop, really, in the second round of the first fight might

have been the like the you know what I mean like that one thing might have just said like well let's try this again you know because he was close that time it's just ridiculous though because the fights played out exactly the same so I hope that they do I feel like they kind of went this direction a little bit early in the paramount I'm hoping that that corrects itself and we'll like we'll kind of resume the way we had been doing business before if they make Islam versus Usman I'm going to be pissed oh my god because it's going to be a lot of this a lot of people are starting to believe they're going to do that. I mean, that's, that would just be, that's a travesty. Waste of everyone's time. Yeah. Waste of everyone's time. All right, let's see what we got next.

From Lord Page, not Lord Silva, but Lord, Lord Page. Are you surprised none of the lightweights on the 325 main card called out Moikano for 326? It was right there for someone like Saul killed. That's funny because, no, I actually thought, but I did think that. It's funny that to even mention those two. I was like, what would be, no, he said he wanted a 15 guy, right? It's all killed. And I was like, who would be there? And there's like, that was one of the names that kind of popped up to me. It was like maybe Moikano being 36, kind of on the way out. You know what I mean? Not in as probably like a guy that you could take his juice, but he would still have reason enough to want to stop a kid like this and take his

juice. So that's not the, that's not the worst call out if he wanted that fight. Long Island Luke pointing out, Moikano just lost Ortega for his March fight. It actually needs a replacement, right? I think that's why this person's asking, why didn't Oh, I see. Because of that, yes. He's looking for a place. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'd be honest, I had not, I realized they had booked the five, but I had not kept up with.

Podcast brain, man. How are we supposed to keep track of the shoes? It's probably just. All right. Next. From M.MA fan Belfast, Northern Ireland. With heavyweight being such a shallow division, why don't we see any 205ers like Ratch, or Alexander Rackich or Johnny Walker move up? Surely their speed and power would see them in the top five, if not challenging for a title?

It's a great question, Chuck. Why don't they? because I think that they should. Especially because, like you just said, the loose change in the middle type thing, right? Like these guys, some of the ones we're watching now, I used to always think, well, dude, that's a, it's not going to translate like 40 pounds difference,

but I think it actually would benefit a guy who's like 225 and in shape to go against one of those guys. I think that they would have a fine, you know what I mean? Like, I don't think there's any disadvantage to fighting one of those big out of shape guys at this point. It used to be that if you were built like Grunkowski, like you were like you were a type. end type in the NFL, you would cut weight down to 205. And now I'm like, don't do that. Just go to

heavyweight. It's right for the picking. There's heavyweight has truly in my lifetime, with the exception of like the very early days, right? But since, let's just say the ultimate fighter, since the ultimate fighter, heavyweight's never been worse. It's never been worse. This is as bad as I've ever seen it. Dude, oh, who do the UFC used to have? Dude, you mean to tell me Gan McGee can't beat Taito Ivasa, Gann McGee. That is crazy. But you're right. You're right. What do we have next? From Isaiah A18.

Luke, would you consider getting a hair transplant if you ever started to go bald? Yes. Chuck did a toupee or a hair transplant ever crossed your mind? Why aren't we doing the Jarrell Miller thing if we ever get to it? Oh, man. No, no, no, nothing like that. Come on. Why don't you want hair?

I don't know. But you know what the weird thing is like You know Like the hat thing is a stick But like it's like a hat thing is like always been a Like going back to the beginning Like I was like you know You look at old pictures always wearing sporting caps and stuff like that

If I you're gonna cover up the The bald head you just you put on a cap But I'm like at the bottom line is I'm like No I've never even considered that I had an uncle on my Like I had an uncle like on my mom's side I only knew him was just a little bit like he lived in a different state But like I remember he had a like one of those old

school toupee is it kind of like goes away but it just looks so obvious I mean like those type of things yeah not for me I I'm not opposed to it I mean I don't really need it at the present moment but I think you I think you're going to be all right yeah I mean I'll probably be all right but like if it ever gets to that

I don't mind doing it I don't mind a little bit of like help you know what I mean so if people want to do like I think I think personally unless you're an athlete for very specific purpose taking performance andcing drugs is a really fucking stupid idea and I know that's me saying that but like if you don't really have a need for it it's not a good idea to do it uh however if you're older and you want to get on t rt and it's medically supervised i think that's probably a pretty good

decision or you know um for people who want to get like a little bit of cosmetic work done i think that's fine but it's like so many people just want to alter their appearance in ways that part i have a little the dudes who are like uh and there's a lot of them especially in m m ms who are like going over to turkey and uh yes the guys like i mean eric eric nixig had done it And like he was like, he caught me and Sean El Shadi when we were backstage in Vegas last year. And he's like, hey, guys, you got to go to Turkey. You know, he's endorsing it. But there's also the dudes with the teeth like this whole like.

Oh, the veneers. Yeah, the veneers. And I'm like, I mean, there's something like this just going. It's just a little too weird for me. Well, these guys, they, they're, let me tell you something. Okay. If you want hair, you got to go to Turkey. Yes.

If you want new teeth, you have to go to Columbia. Right. That's where, oh, that's, dude, dude, I'm telling you, Cartagenaena, Columbia is the capital of better teeth, but these people don't know what they're doing. So they get the big ass veneers. And then they smile. And all of a sudden, it's like, dude, why did your teeth grow double the size? Because you got the wrong size fucking veneers and you did it in the wrong place. Columbia is where you have to go for teeth. Number one place in the world for teeth.

Tell you. This is an educational show. Yeah. We, so when we go to Cartagena for the beach, we often stay in this one, location that's like a really nice uh like these buildings are just basically like giant Airbnb places yeah uh and we rent this apartment and it's in this it's in this nice area and every time we go there's always it's not always women but it's usually women a variety of ages where their faces they've literally just had surgery and they have nurses who get them up and down the elevator so they can go to stuff and then like tend to them so like what i'm saying is they these people just rent

Airbnb's to go get surgery or dental work or whatever and then have like nursing staff cater to them while they're waiting in the Airbnb's and you can see this shit the whole time it's crazy. Did they still like what was the thing that they used to import? It was cocaine. Do they still do that from Columbia or is that all done now those days? People make a lot of cocaine jokes because that's the only thing they can think of. No.

As Colombians will be the first to tell you, we're the ones doing the. Coke, right? They're shipping it out. Yes. If I could say anything about the Colombians and I truly mean this, I absolutely mean this, they are massive drinkers. Yeah. Drinkers, buddy.

They just drink all the time. It sounds like a fun time. It's crazy. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. Except when you're getting to your 50s and you're like, I can't fucking do this anymore. Well, that is true. I think we have one more. We have one more. No, that's it. That's it. All right. All right. So now, oh,

before we get to this last piece, I just want to show this. We don't do have you seen this shit anymore because BC's not here. We'll bring it back on occasion. But I saw one clip, Chuck. Oh, Chuck, have you been to, um, does your, does your wife go to go with you to sporting games by chance? Uh, she does sometimes, sometimes. You guys ever get on the kiss cam?

We have not, no. If you got on the kiss cam, would you do this? Oh, my Lord. This is Pittsburgh. Bless her heart. She didn't even hesitate. It was like, she'd been waiting for that moment. moment. One more time. One more time, Long Island. Here we go. Listen, listen, I don't know what's in the air in

Pittsburgh, but I know it's love. I know love is in the air in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. That's a different kind of cam, whatever that was. But that was good. Yeah, Cam girls, maybe. I don't know. It was the lips cam. Yeah, exactly. All right. Long Island, this is now your show. Take it away. We go. All right, so we're going to play a game called Eskimo Brothers, guys. I'm going to give you three fighters. You're going to tell me their mutual opponent, but you're going head to head. So first one to guess it correctly, we'll get the point. Once again, I'm glad you're introducing

trivia into the show for the two guys least capable of performing this. There's a reason we haven't been invited back to the trivia show. Chuck, I'd love to have you on the street. It just goes poorly. Luke was just on last week. It just slammed dunk on me, but yeah. All right. Well, guys, this one is called Eskimo Brothers. Right.

On by you. Bonus points, Chuck. Who was that? Who was that? I don't know. That was Big Bang Zhang. You know? him oh yeah really i bang you big bang that guy all right guys first up it's going to be at middleweight who is the mutual opponent of robert whittaker michael bisming and chris wyden calvin gastolum damn that was that was good you nailed i would have got that too if i just yeah that's all right all right good job then luke up next we got the mutual opponent of taturo tyra davison figurado and

Steve Ursaig. It's not Royville, right? No. No. Ascar. Who? Ascarov.

No. It is I'm not sure. More champion. Moreno? Yes. Is that really? Reno, yes.

Of course it is. Right. For Figgie and he had that fight in the headlined Mexico City. That's right, man. I forgot all about that one. All right. I'll give that point to Chuck because he got it. So 1-1-1.

Up next, we got Max Holloway, Josh Emmett, and Dan Hooker. Um, man. It's not Arnold Allen, is it? It is not Arnold Allen. Okay. Although Arnold Allen also, no, he didn't fight this person. He didn't fight Emmett, right? Because he fought, I know he fought the other two.

Um, Jesus. I don't know. this one's tough because you know there's a couple featherweights turn lightweights in there but can you give us a hint the hint is it's a it's a current top 10 featherweight okay and one of these fights is so hard to remember i'll give you guys another yeah give us one more uh well let's all right uh he's top five right now really jesus surprising i feel like i'm just spacing on this then it's not yair um it is yaya it is yeah yeah yeah for dan

hooker. Is that the one you don't remember? I don't remember that. I thought about him and that's why I should have just said it. It was in the UFC 190 era. Wow. I don't remember. I have memory hold that fight completely. Who won that fight? I believe you all year. Wow. Yeah, I don't remember that

either. All right. Up next, we got JDS, Alexander Volkov, Sergei Spivak. My hint. Derek Lewis? All right. So yes, Derek Lewis is correct, but not for this question. The thing here is all three of these guys finish this man in round two

it's a different area. Oh, whoa. The reason I had to get so specific is because every heavyweight has fought each other, so there was just way too many like Derek Lewis, so. Finish him the second round. Yes, all three of them finished this man. And the reason that's obviously

not Derek Lewis is because Derek Lewis beat Volkov. Right. Is it Arlowski? No, but this man also fought Andre Arlowski. God, I'm really bad at this. He is currently a top 15 heavyweight. Well, I mean, there's just pulling anyone off the street at this point. Yeah, but someone who fought JDS who's currently top 15,

there's not that many guys that. Some would say he doesn't deserve his spot after not winning a fight in four years. Joy Vassa? Yes, sir. Really? Oh, my God. Lost in the second round to all three. Oh, my God.

Dude, okay. I knew he fought, I knew he fought, I knew he fought, uh, Volkov. I don't remember the Spivek fight even a little bit. It was more the one, I think it was the fight just before the Rosenstrike fight. So it's like during this current losing streak. I believe. Uh, next up we got, oh, sorry, uh, not sure how that one got in there. We'll just switch to the next. That's a weird one.

Um, so next up we got Tracy Cortez, Michelle Waterson, and Jessica Androj. Nami Unis. Yeah. chuck that was quick without very quick very good what is it 3-1 now chuck i believe i mean i didn't guess i didn't get partial credit for the featherweight one uh yeah you did you're right you're right all right three three two anyone yeah something like that i don't know all right next up we got sean brady cowboy seroni and vicente luke is it leon edwards yes luke wow uh so now we're tie boys three three we go next up we got song you dong dominic cruz and frankie egger

faber no he's he's not it no favor wouldn't have fought i know as i that's exactly right um is it gutierrez no he wouldn't have fought uh dominic cruz um frankie edgar it's not sehudo current top 10 Bantam weight Yep I don't fucking know Goes by his nickname more than his first name Um

Man I'm She's drawn a blank here Good friends with Action Bronson Oh, Cheeto Vera Yes sir Cheeto Vera That's right man I should have got that

Come on Man that's 43 LT Okay Next up we got Tabitha Ritchie Valentina Shivchenko and Erin Blanchfield. Firo. Chuck got it.

She's got an Audi. She's got an Audi. There you go. Ties it up. Number nine, we got Vulcan Ozedimir, Yeree, Prahaska, and Jan Blahovic. This one, there is two correct answers, and both I have accepted.

Jamal Hill. I'm going to say Dominic, what's his name? Reyes. Reyes. Yes, that is one of them. Okay. I'll also give you a point if you can name the other. Oh, uh,

geez, I don't know. Rackage, fight all these dudes. Yes. Alexander Rackich and Dominic Ray is. All right. We're going to count that as what,

five, five and one. Yeah, so you got one, he got the other. So it's five, five going to the last one here we go. There we go.

Where you go. Hanato Moikano, Justin Geci and Raphael Doson. Oh, Raphael Fazeefi, Raphael Fazeve. Yeah. Yes,

damn it. Just talking about all this, damn it. Before the wind. I know that one was, I didn't know was going to come down to the last one. I wouldn't have made the last one a little tricky.

But I hope we enjoyed that. That was us. We stunk up the joint on the west. Yes, we did. Yes, we did. Long Island, what do you have going on this week? I'll have the usual bet breakdown out tomorrow.

We'll have a prop quiz Friday. And then full card watch along Saturday. Card starts at 5 p.m. still prelim wise. Main card? Which card? main card is 8 p.m. This is Baltista versus

Oh, right, right, okay. This apex card actually has a few fights on it that are pretty interesting. It should be a fun time. Hold on. I forgot to ask us at the top of the show. How did your betting go overall this weekend? So prelims did great. Main card absolutely blew it. But I blame. What did you take a bath on?

So I blamed two of Asa to share. I needed the under two and a half. I had that parlayed with the over one and a half hooker BSD, which did hit and Volk, which did hit. So that fight. kind of blew it for me. I had a Viseev money line bet that obviously didn't go well. And I took the over one and a half in Malarkey, Sal killed, which was nowhere near hitting. So yeah, not a great week. All right. Very good. Chuck, what's your coverage plan for the week? To be honest, I'm not exactly sure. I know there'll be some stuff coming up this week in terms of

like preview for that card. That's why I was asking because you get to Monday after a pay-per-view and you're like, I haven't even started to look at this. And again, and again, I can't name who was on a card the prelims for last week. I can't do it. But I know there, I'll, I'll have some stuff. I'll probably have a little feature coming out on Thursday or Friday. And then, and then post, probably a post column. Very good.

All right. Let's remind everyone, you want to email the show. We still do dead wrongs. We still do fan subs. We'll just do them a little bit later. A little more sparingly. Let's put it that way. You can email the show for any reason, really, though, but morningcombat at gmail.

Don't forget the merch, morningcombat. Dot shop, S-H-O-P, morningcombat. We'll have new releases. The new design will be out on Friday for this month. And we'll give maybe a bit of an extended grace period in terms of your opportunity to get it. And then you can follow us on all the socials that we have on X, on IG, on YouTube, and everything in between. Chuck, any final thoughts before we get out of here? Let's just scrub that one from our memory and move on here.

All right? It wasn't that bad, but it was not too memorable. Not too memorable. I think it's about the right way to put it. Enjoy the Super Bowl this coming weekend. And, of course, we'll join you guys again here on Friday for MK then. For Chuck, I'm LT and for the whole staff, Long Island, Luke, and everyone in between. Appreciate you guys watching.

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