MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC Des Moines: Sandhagen wants Title Shot, Nickal Loses, Garcia-Haney 2?, Canelo-Crawford Announced

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas and the Morning Kombat crew are live on a Monday to talk about the results from UFC Iowa. Corey Sandhagen grapples Deiveson Figueiredo into TKO loss. Is the veteran poised for a shot at the undisputed bantamweight title? Bo Nickal suffered his first defeat at the hands of Reinier de Ridder despite being the betting favorite coming into the matchup. What does the loss mean for Nickal's future? Plus the guys discuss the shakeup in the boxing landscape as Ryan Garcia's upset loss to Rolly Romero in Times Square shattered any talk of another bout with Devin Haney, especially after Haney's woeful performance against Jose Ramirez. And Canelo vs. Crawford is set for September. MK is back on a Monday!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Reveille Reveille look at us now I'm on combat. Do you want a margarita? Oh my god. It's us doing what we love. It's time to bang. Oh yeah. Do you hear that sound get fired up Monday, May 5th, 2025. And this right here is morning combat, the best damn combat sports show. And really the only one out there left that's not taken the dirty money and still willing to tell the truth.

Although my DMS are open if you're offering, Hey, it's Brian Campbell looking at you right here. That BBC with that BD and the man next to me from Washington, D. C Washington DC cannot be compromised. His name is Luke Thomas and Luke, you know, they took my favorite sport this weekend and they aggressively tried to ruin it. Luckily, luckily in a way and Cardenas were there to, uh, remind us what it could be like, bro, we're going to get to it. Shouts to shouts to in a way shouts to Cardenas.

Like they rescued it, but dude, we are talking about by the end of the Canelo fight, arguably, arguably headed towards the worst weekend in modern boxing history. That's how bad it was. Holy. Well, you won't read or hear that on anybody who's on the payroll, Luke. That's how it works in 2025. But we are here to tell the tale, tell the truth. And we're here to give you a fantastic episode recapping UFC Iowa, the big single DeMaio boxing weekend, Friday,

Saturday and Sunday night. We'll catch your DM from Donk Questions and maybe check out a little bit of my fecal material if you're into that. What a time to be alive though. Thank you for tuning in. You can follow us and the show at these channels below. Also, our independent YouTube channels, which just takes the MK experience and stretches it out,

if you know what I mean, Luke. Not that we really, you know, enjoy things being stretched out too far, right? Okay, I mean, you made it weird. You didn't have to do that. It's gonna be a great show on its own. Yeah, I mean, I was just, yeah, okay, all right. Hey, the only thing left to do is transition

to the third member of this program. He comes to us by way of a Down Under Man satchel. Yes, yes it is. The main card minutes, best boyfriend Luke Noceda. Luke, how the hell are you? I'm doing good guys. You know, it wasn't the best weekend as far as results, but we did have a jam packed combat sports weekend.

You know, had to. I mean Sam Alfie just sent Tyrone Spong to hell at Karate Kombat, all right? Sam Alfie looks damn good in Karate Combat. Shout out Jed Mishue saying he is to Karate Combat what Mike Perry is to BKFC. I agree with that 100%. And he called out Eddie Hall afterwards, so that's a little bit interesting. Let's make it.

Let's book it. Nocita will be with us throughout the show, handling the ones and the twos. Luke Thomas, was it outside of the depression that boxing brought this weekend? Was the rest of the weekend good for you and your family? Yeah, yeah, it was great. I had some in-laws in town. They're leaving today. That was nice. Oh, I will say that UFC Iowa had some hits and misses, but Maine and Co-Maine delivered, I would argue. I think they delivered. And yeah, yeah, no, it's been good. I was talking about this before the show.

Dude, the pollen this season is, this is pre-usata pollen. I mean, what are we doing here? It is unbearable to deal with. And I used to never get allergies and now I can't control it. It's insane. Same way.

I was allergy free my whole life until I became an old POS. And now the weather can suddenly change, the temperature can drop, and I got a full day hangover, Luke. It's insane. I'm the same way. I was allergy free my whole life until I became an old POS. And now the weather can suddenly change. The temperature can drop and I got a full day hangover, Luke. It's not fair. It's just not fair. All right. The Allegra ain't doing the job, man.

I need something stronger. You need something stronger, like maybe a pink monster and a vape, Luke. I don't know. You know what I mean? Luke, also I wanted to announce that today is an anniversary of two important things. One, the 18 years since Floyd Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya met in Las Vegas in that

super fight that spawned the pre-fight documentary in boxing and did a lot of things. But on that same day, this guy, 18 years of marriage today. That's what I'm talking about. Wow. Yeah. Hit me with the orange one. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. So we're on the quest

for 20 Luke. We made it this far. Mine as well. Hang on for a few more, right? Yeah. My parents only made it 17 years. So as long as I beat that, I'm the in-house winner. What are you on right now? A decade in this will be no, no, uh, this upcoming September will be 13. Oh, nice. Very lucky thirteen for the Thomas. Moving the chains, buddy. Moving the chains. That's what we're talking about right there. I hope everybody had fun this weekend. Hope you got some sun. Hope you're ready for this damn program right here. A very quick reminder that two days from now, Wednesday, May 7th, live on the YouTube channel called That Morning Combat, MK is hitting you with the UFC three 15 pregame preview brought to you by

Cuervo featuring BCLT and the indomitable Iceman, Chuck Mindenhall of on crown. By the way, how about, uh, how about Chuck Mindenhall and in Arielle getting, uh, getting billionaire row influencer treatment there at the Times Square inside those large fences. Look, must be nice. Although they got a front row seat to some boss Sura. I know that, not, not, not the most coveted seat in the end, by the way, media was not

allowed in. They were given a non-electrical outlet, non-Wi-Fi opportunity to watch the fights from a restaurant across the street with milk. They put these motherfuckers in the Hard Rock Cafe in Times Square. You understand? I would rather do drugs in the subway under the Times Square than go to the Hard Rock Cafe for any reason in Times Square. Well, hey, Chuck and Ariel, tell me how his ass tasted and who is, we're going to see Chuck on Wednesday. We're talking about HG baby. All right. No,

no. Chuck did write a piece for Uncrowned after it. He tried his best to sum it up. We love, we love those folks. All right. All the fun behind us is trying to get into great detail. What went on over the weekend and what it meant. Let's do it right now with topic number one. UFC Iowa was on the docket Saturday night, a fight night card in front of an area that loves MMA and was very voiceless and excited for the worldwide leader in cage fighting to arrive. And in the main event, we had a bantamweight tell with title positioning at stake at course. Of course, as former interim title challenger Corey Sanhagen welcomed former multiple time 125 pound champion, an absolute badass with the red streak to prove it, Devinson Figueredo.

In the end, Sanhagen would largely control and dominate on the ground a second round TKO via knee injury, of course caused by the grappling skills of the 33 year old Sanhagen. So Luke, Corey continues to add wrinkles to his game. He's got two wins now over UFC champions. This time he controlled every single aspect as I mentioned with four wins now in his last five fights. And I guess you can say a renewed spirit of what could be upon him, his final run to the top.

Is there anything left that should hold back Corey Sanhagen from getting that elusive shot, the same one he begged for outright in the post fight interview for the undisputed Bannon White title? No, this was it. This is exactly what I was looking for, I suspect, we shall see, but I suspect this is exactly what the UFC matchmakers were looking for. This was the best performance I'm going to argue of Corey Sanhagen's career. And that might be certainly debatable and, and others might have a different choice, but I want to tell you BC why I believe that way on Friday's MK. We talked about this.

Now you and I both had thought that Sanhagen would get the win. He was obviously the big favorite, which we thought the odds were a little bit weird, but in the end we thought he would win and he did. But there was one thing that we talked about on Friday's show, namely, if you go back and you look at Sanhagen's early UFC run,

he just fought like he had ants in the pants. He had a certain kind of in-your-face attitude, a certain kind of like restlessness when they were announcing his name, like really just this almost a little bit mean, just short of it, but that kind of a mood. And then he would fight that way. But the problem that we had talked about was that, well, at that stage of his career he had a lot of ability, but he would make some mistakes as a consequence. He would walk into problems then have to rescue himself and for the most part he did until he met his elite peers

and then he suffered a series of setbacks and it feels to me like along the way he was still believing in himself BC but you know I think obviously some doubt had crept in. This was the first fight I think personally in years where I felt like he had a different energy all week. All week he was talking about how this time I know my skill set is ready to go. I know my skill set is the best chance I've ever been at being a champion in terms of like where he is in his development. He marched right out to that KHBC. He looked exactly like the Sandhagen who was making his UFC debut and he had an answer for everything, for everything.

There was nothing that Figge threw at him that he couldn't handle. He got hit with one big right hand. Sandhagen's always had a good chin. It didn't rattle him. It didn't deter him. He got right back to his game plan. And the part of the fight that you thought, well, maybe Figgy can give him some problems, maybe back control, maybe he's a good wrestler, that kind of a thing, and certainly submissions more broadly. It was actually

Sandhagen who was able to stop all of it. It was Sandhagen who, if he wanted to escape, he could. It was Sandhagen who if he wanted to escape, he could. It was Sandhagen who if it was Figgy tying up some kind of leg entanglement, not only did Sandhagen say, you know what, I'll match you there. Now I'm gonna go on the offense. Now I'm gonna go push all my chips into the middle there. And in the end, that is why he won. I saw a video last night cause I was looking at that 50-50 position

that they were in BC and like how it pops your knee. Sure enough, Lachlan Giles, who's a famous, famous, famous Australian grappler that has a whole series on the 50-50 guard. And he talked about that exact position. Everything Corey said was correct. If he comes up and the other person doesn't go back down, the knee pops, the entire. He knew how to,

how to do that. Corey Sandhagen had the right attitude because he finally had looked to me believed in his skills because he knows they're good enough to win a title. I can't wait to see the promise of that, at least in terms of an opportunity anyway, fulfilled. Yeah. I love the command. I love like, like, look, there's been times where like, Corey, Corey, Corey Anderson, shout out to OT Corey Sanhagen is such a student of the game.

And, you know, certainly has been forced to constantly evolve because of the times he's come up just short when looking for that fight, that number one contender win, that's going to push him to where he hopes to be right now. But I think at times he's, he's too much movement in there. And even though he was flirting a lot with stance switches, which were constantly keeping Figge off guard, I felt like he minimized or brought down sometimes what he does, which is I'm just gonna spam and show you that I can do it all.

And he's constantly doing all of it, but not doing a lot of it at the opponent. He was focused right in, moving forward the whole time. As you mentioned, he had a counter for anything Figge produced, especially when Figge would try to sneak in timely takedowns. Sandhagen was very comfortable in spinning the advantage back to himself right there.

And then you saw how he put together the finish. And you know, Sandhagen said it afterwards in the cage, he's gonna say it again in some sound we have from the post-fight press conference. It'll go down as a TKO win due to injury. With that TKO and the injury that happened was very calculated and that was the plan in that situation.

In fact, Corey believes this should be a submission based on how he set it up. Let's listen to Sanhagen. It was ruled as a TKO via injury, but from where I I was sitting it looked like his knee was in a messed up position with your legs in it And then he tapped so I feel like that maybe should be a submission ruled. It carried away Yeah, I mean it was like a pop submission, you know, it was like The position is called 50-50. If you don't know how to play 50-50, you're gonna pop your knee I spun under I went for a backside 50-50. It you don't know how to play 50-50, you're going to pop your knee. I spun

under, I went for a backside 50-50, it didn't hit, he got on top, I sat up really hard just to get on top, and if I sit up hard and you don't sit back, your knee is going to pop. It happened to TJ when I did that to him. It happened to Figgy, I heard it click really loud. So that wasn't like an accidental thing. That was like a, hey, Figgy, you're either going to sit down on your butt or we're popping your knee. And that's what happened. When he was going for all these leg locks, then, did you know that, oh, this 50-50 game is about to be open to me,

and this is the way I can finish the fight? Or were you just flowing in there and it just presented itself in the moment? I win at 50-50 every time against all of these guys. I trained with the guy that invented the thing, Ryan Hall, so you will not beat me at 50-50. You can attack my legs all you want. Those are very technical spots,

and I'm very good at those spots, so you're not gonna win there. At no point was I in danger. There, but I think you were able to make it out. Are you, in your years of rolling familiar with what he's talking about that 5050 game and that he essentially backed figure into a corner here. Yeah, for 5050 folks are actually like you know, especially our audio listeners who might

be listening. There's a lot of different parts to 5050 but the basic way to explain it is imagine you're facing somebody, your right leg is wrapped on the inside of their right leg. So both people would have their right legs wrapped. And so their their foot is going to go to the outside of your hip and your foot is going to go to the outside of their hip. Now, of course, there's much, much, much, much more to it. But that's a basic way to understand that 5050 position. There's a lot of attacks. Backside 50-50, what he's talking about is inverting under to go for a heel hook, essentially facing the back of them as you, after you invert. He didn't get it, so he came back the other way. So he inverts to go to the back for the heel hook.

He can't get it, so he goes back to the front, and then he comes up. Figgy doesn't go back down when his knee is facing the outward direction, so it just ends up, imagine taking a sponge a little bit and then turning it to get the water out of it. That's essentially what happened to his knee. Not quite a press out, but more of a bit of a turn based on the direction of the knee. That's what he did.

Dude, that's all intentional. It's 100, it doesn't look like it necessarily in real time, but did he know that Figge wasn't going to go back down BC? No, he didn't know that. But when he came up to reassert top position, basically he's offering Figge a choice. You can go back down and now I'm going to get on top or you can not go back down and I'm going to shred your knee.

In fact, we see I mentioned that Lachlan Giles video in that video when Lachlan Giles video. In that video, when Lachlan talks about the scenario, he actually says explicitly, if you're fighting someone in 5050, and they come up, he goes, I actually recommend you go to your back and give them the reverse, let them get on top. He goes, because that's just, that's a lot better than shredding your knee. He actually says it outright. And so you see Figge not do it. He paid the cut. That's what I'm saying, dude. Anything that Figgy tried to throw at him, he either neutralized or had an answer for, he was simply better. Basically, basically everywhere.

Well, if our relationship ever goes sour, Luke, you will be faced with that same dilemma, but the questions will be tap or nap comma bitch when it talks about getting that joke in. But in all seriousness, a great victory. He mentioned Ryan Hall in his corner. This was also his second fight with Trevor Whitman as head coach, that Colorado connection right there. So it does seem to be like all signs are pointing to Sanhagen being at the peak of his game, learning from mistakes in the past

and being ready right now for what he called for passionately afterwards, which was a title shot. I'm going to tee you up after we hear from Corey one more time. Here's Sanhagen making that case for the title shot next after Marab and Sugar Sean meet up very shortly in a rematch. You said you wanted to come into this fight and prove that you're at the top of your game and that you're ready for these title opportunities. You did that. You're a very dominant victory over Davidson. Do you hope or have you spoken to the UFC since you've left the cage two minutes ago that you might be able to slide in as a backup for Newark? I haven't talked to him. Me and my

agency are gonna talk to him, see what's kind of next. I think I deserve the title shot next regardless, you know. I mean who else is there? Umar just fought for the belt, lost. Jan is coming off of a win, but also lost to both of the guys that are fighting. So I don't know how exciting that would be. And then I finished Figgy in a round and a half. Jan didn't finish Figgy. Jan got dropped by Figgy.

Figgy, I think, maybe hit me one time. So I showed that I'm better. I showed that I'm the best guy, and I deserve to be next. There is a chance. And listen, we're talking guy and I deserve to be next there is a chance I'm listening we're talking about down the line here But there's a chance that say these guys fight in June and they maybe won't fight again till the end of the year is that Potential that you would just sit out and wait that long for the opportunity or would you want to stay active and keep going? If it's the belt next I'll wait

I'll wait. I don't know how long but I'll wait if you could draw it up in your mind Obviously, you don't think there's a bigger fight if Sean wins than you and O'Malley fighting for the title, but is there something really intriguing about fighting Murab because of how dominant he's been? Do you have a preference? I mean, they're both pretty exciting, but to not be boring, I guess my answer would be me and O'Malley because that's what the fans want to see. So Luke, I love that he said he would wait.

That's the right call right now at 33 years old. What do you make of this dilemma that matchmakers at UFC will have from this standpoint? Piotr Jan defeated Sanhagen head to head in an interim title bout, but as Sanhagen mentioned, Jan has losses against both O'Malley and Marab. Corey has yet to fight either guy and has one, four or five overall. Who deserves it more next when you put it under that spotlight? Yeah. I mean, I think you can construct all not almost, but there's a lot of different

ways to find logic to give someone a title shot, but the longer you're in this business, the more you realize that some of that stuff, you know, is just people wish casting. Here's the simple reality about this. Yon was a former champion and has had, you know, a lot more opportunities to contend for a title, including title shots, even when he wasn't champion, than Sandhagen. Now that's not a reason to not give Yon a future opportunity, but if you're the matchmakers, you have a fresh contender that has not had a title shot before, and as a consequence, that freshness, especially against this current guy, Marab, who's basically just blown through the division at this point, with the exception basically of Sanhagen, that makes him a lot more attractive. And I'm going to say it one more time, you're also making a decision about who you're selling

this product to. And the UFC is a worldwide audience for sure. But if pay-per-view still means something, that means guys who appeal more to an American and slash North American audience are over time, some cases going to get preference. Also, Corey is, Yon is exciting, there's simply no question about it. But because you have seen that movie before in the case of both Sean and Marab, there's a little bit less mystery. Although I will say a rematch between Marab, excuse me, a rematch between O'Malley and

Yon would actually be kind of sick because the first fight was actually really good. So that'd be a lot of fun. I'm not mad at it either way, to be honest with you. But people arguing well, Corey has a loss to Yon and they have the same kind of win. He should still have a little bit of a lead on terms of who gets the shot. That is not technically incorrect in terms of how we're sorting meritocracy. But who gets awarded prizes? And by that, I mean, you know, opportunities in the sport, is a question that is partly meritocratic based and partly salesmanship based. And when you look at it through that lens, Corey is a much stronger choice than Jan and much lucklier to get an opportunity for that reason. Not a lock, BC, not a lock. But I would say the

leader in the clubhouse. Yeah. If we go to UFC Leningrad, we might see Jan in here, but no mercy. Peyote or Jan took to Twitter in the past 24 hours and said, we can find out who deserves it more in July. Same place. No more short notice excuse for you, son. This was him talking to Sanhake. He also added Corey, you were good yesterday, but don't forget this fight having a picture of their first meeting. And he said the only one who deserves a fight for the belt. He's talking about himself. But Luke, we have seen Jan in Twitter exchanges with Umar Nermaga-Medoff who's coming off

a defeat to Marab for the title. I would think Jan versus Umar is the perfect fight. So yes, let's give San Hagen the next shot at the title. Yeah. Jan versus Umar is fantastic. I mean, if Sean O'Malley loses and they want to run that one back, that would also be kind of sick. You know, there's just a lot of good fights you can make, but I'll also just, just kind of remember it's like, it's not just that Sandhagen hasn't gotten a shot before it's that if you're a believer in Merab crossing Sandhagen off of the list again, if that's your perspective is actually pretty important for like

generational completeness, right? Rather than just rerunning another one you've seen before in yawn also BC. If you did Sand Hagan versus yawn again fine fight great fight, but now you're killing off the contender in a world where Marab might beat O'Malley and now you really have nobody again for all these reasons. Salesmanship plus meritocracy, which is really the true formula of how pay-per-view fights get awarded at least

most of the time, Sanhagen is your top choice. Yeah, totally understandable in that case. Let's talk about the 37-year-old Figueredo. We have video of him exiting the cage. He needed assisting walking after that knee turn. Look, this is two straight defeats after a really nice reinvention moving up in weight to Bantamweight in which he won three in a row, looked dangerous.

It's not as if the two-fight losing skid, he's looked like he's fallen aggressively hard in terms of from his prime, but he's 37 now he's got an injury to limp off. It does kind of feel like this was the last window for him to enter a title picture at this point in his career. We said it on Friday, did we not? We're gonna see what these guys really have left for the top of this division. Corey, flying colors, looked amazing. And of course he's four years the junior.

And Figge, by the way, as a reminder, already held a weight class title. Like he's already done things that Sandhagen has not, different weight class, but nevertheless. But Sandhagen on this night was certainly much, much better. Figge, 37, which is already old for the weight class, but nevertheless. But Sanhagen on this night was certainly much much better. Figgy 37, which is already old for the weight class and now you have this injury and BC I'm not exactly sure how long it's gonna take some of the estimates

I've seen in terms like what gets affected when this injury happens from this particular position as you get an LCL tear. You know an LCL tear is I mean, I will see what the doctors tell them, but there could certainly be a scenario where he's not back until deep into his time at 38. Not a death sentence for winning again, BC, but it's like he was losing to Sandhagen anyway, and now he's going to miss this time. He beat good fighters up here. He beat, you know, Rob Fawn, he beat Chito Vera,

he beat good fighters. But I think now we've seen the limit. You've seen the limit and now time is certainly no longer at all. His ally. Um, he's, I would not write him off. Oh, he'll never win again. Eh, that's not what I'm saying, but I don't think he's relevant as a future title contender.

I fully agree with that. Although I've loved his time at the elite circle and these smaller weight classes and absolute bad-ass who does have a complete game and is very dangerous. Luke, we did this little exercise after there were a bunch of key welterweight bouts involving Ian Machado-Garry where I incorrectly tabbed the exercise as a pound for pound at welterweight. I guess in reality, the difference of what I'm trying to do is not call it power rankings in which meritocracy would largely, you know, your achievements would largely dictate where you fall in. I'm just talking about current stock at this moment. If you had to make a top five at Bannon weight just based on current stock and who would be who, where does Sanhagen fit in? I controversially put Ian Gary at number two in the welterweight division.

And I've yet to be proven wrong on that. Although there's still a lot of questions. Is more of the best band of weight in the world right now, in terms of who would be who head to head, where do you sort of see at the moment? I think until he's beaten, we have to respect Marab. You know, I do think Corey could beat him in more than just a generic saying that kind of way. But, you know, gun to my head, we owe Marab respect. So I'm going to give it to him. I'll put Umar too. That's the answer. That's it. That's the one. You nailed it, Luke. You've

already won. We can go. We can move on. You've won. I think after that's a little more interesting because I don't, you know, people were asking you like, what about Sandhagen and O'Malley? Which could be, by the way, I mean, if that's the fight that we get, holy shit, that's gonna be awesome. But the thing is like, I might pick O'Malley over him only because I think O'Malley is more well-rounded,

especially after Saturday, dude. Like, look how good he is. So then where does, so to me, it's's Marab Umar, and then you have to decide where San Hagan, Jan and O'Malley kind of all fit in that next space. And I don't really know how to answer. I got Jan at three San Hagan at four O'Malley at five and I know I'm I'm heavy. I'm hella critical here. You know, it's not like O'Malley got knocked out when he lost the title and he was hurt. So that's why we're having a rematch in some ways you can loosely connect those dots.

But I don't know, Luke. That's just where I feel right now. We'll see how it all plays out. Luke, let's transition here. We know that we're going to be doing some UFC 315 talk in just two days and there's plenty of reason to get hyped for the UFC's next pay-per-view offering and of course get ready for pregame preview in just two days but UFC 315 will be on the TV and our listeners now have an opportunity to try and win some real cash while watching with Pick Six from

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Yeah. We're talking about the dark Dutch Knight, Renear de Ritter. Luke, while there was one prominent MMA podcaster and journalist who predicted that RDR would finish nickel bowl was the betting fit. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Let's put a little respect on, on gone, willing to wrestle or

get out wrestled by every once in a while you have a bag. I'm not going to hate. I'm not going to have Woodley would finish till. And you looked at me on that MMA beat set. Like I was crazy, but here's the deal folks. Bo got finished. And since that happened, he's become a veritable pinata for those on MMA Twitter as a bust, as someone who didn't fight enough, maybe doesn't care about the sport enough. He went from super prospect to super hated like overnight. And, you know, I don't know if it's politically linked, but Bo is being linked politically in the Donald Trump inauguration curse, which has now hit MAGA lights like Bryce Mitchell, Michael Chandler, and now Bo Nickel, all three getting

finished after the inauguration. I don't know. I ain't Colby. I don't know if that's all connected, but Luke, let's get down to the brass tacks here. Was this Bo Nickel defeat by second round TKO via body knees by RDR truly the fraud check that social media has made it out to be. And what does this say about bone nickel's future? This was a very terrible loss for bone nickel. There was a central question, which is the one you're asking, which is, was he fraud checked? And I don't like the term for a couple of reasons.

One seems a little unnecessarily mean, although that's not a reason not to use it. But the bigger one is that there's really no agreed upon definition. And people are gonna, you know, put together different scenarios to decide whether or not this scenario meets it. What I'm going to say is,

we can't, even if you think it's a fraud check, there's actually really no way to know until we see how he pivots from here. Cause if he goes on to have the career that his skeptics think he's going to have, then yeah, maybe this actually will end up being one. If you end up being somebody who actually never really turns into anything and you were hyped this way, maybe you in that particular scenario, we're a fraud all the way around.

On the other hand, if he learns from this experience BC and then goes to better heights and becomes something quite special, well then we'll look back on this and say, hey, he fought a really good RDR, which we're gonna get to. And yeah, he looked bad in that loss, but he learned from it.

So no, he's not a fraud. If he goes on to do great things, how could you say such a thing? But here's what we can say about Saturday BC. Number one, he got audited. He got audited. And what I mean by that is there was it wasn't clear to me necessarily that Bo was better everywhere. Bo did that one ankle pick take down, but then tried to sit for a guillotine totally and advisably and then essentially gave up top position. He was beaten up in the clinch and every time he tried to throw something, it was the same

kind of overhand punch or at a bare minimum, just a left straight stuff that was coming that she's not even a left straight, but just, you know, these long range punches that he was looking for. RDR was able to get on top of it or get to the outside of it, because it was so predictable, right? He was able to predict with great ease or counter with great ease, hasty things that Nickel was doing or predictable things that were easy to get around.

Even in that final knee that he hit him with BC, if you watch it in the replay, he's actually pulling Nickel into it, using nickels own momentum to then feed him the knee, he knew he was going to be there for it. They knew what he was going to throw when they were going to put pressure on him and they had all the right answers. They audited him. That's the first problem. The second problem that he has is that from a public relations standpoint,

as I mentioned, if he goes on to do great things, how could you possibly call him a fraud? But in so far as his readiness on Saturday night, he confirmed the suspicions of his skeptics. His skeptics had believed that, you know, whatever his pedigree in college and his athleticism, which probably, no, I don't think they'd really question that per se,

but how that was necessarily translated into MMA, they were not convinced. They looked at fights like that Paul Craig fight and you know I was willing to look the other way because I was like, well, you know, he was getting 15 minutes in there and that's good experience and he didn't want to use his wrestling, there's gonna be, that's value to build from. But then when you go and you watch the strikes he was throwing in this one BC, it didn't look like he was building on anything. It didn't look like there was a demonstrable difference, not only from that fight, but from fights, excuse me, even earlier in his career.

Skeptics had been wondering if he actually was A, as good as they thought, and B, progressing in some kind of a direction. And RDR put a stop to that pretty quickly or to bare minimum laid it out for everyone to see that the skeptics were probably onto something here big time and that not only hurts his stock, but it calls into question.

I can't answer this and you can't answer this. We don't know what's happening in training, right? Only the folks who watch it can. But BC, it appears that something is, is missing, something is off. And I think, I think you were definitely, you know what? We were both, we've both been big on RDR since he was a double champ over in one. I mean, the Malik in fights, those were tough assignments, right? We can all agree, but he's pretty much against GM three.

And I think he, he fixed that. Yes. And then against Holland, he just, he just, he just flattened them. But, but let's pitch it back to you. You were the one who kind of saw this coming. So from your vantage point, was it, oh, I'm just a huge believer in RDR or is it, I'm a believer in RDR, but I've got these lingering skepticisms about nickel. It was 75 25 with the 75 believing in RER compared to the actual experience that Bo Nickel had.

Seven pro fights, two of them in the Dana White Contender Series, and a small handful of UFC fights where he either finished someone so fast we didn't get to actually see, does he have a chin? Does he have cardio? Does he have IQ? Can he adjust from adversity? All the things that you need to see, or he had fights like the last two,

where you actually come out of there with questions. Now they're not insincere questions. We understand how little MMA experience he actually has, even with the big hype around him, but let's not forget how big the hype around him actually was. Like we were even kind of going, is this one of those rare scenarios where you just rush somebody to a title

shot, three quick wins in just because they seem like a special talent? I mean, he was showing us that side of it. But the last two fights, really the last one is what bumped up that 25 percent of doubt I had coming in. I don't really hold the Cody Brundage fight against him. I think Brundage pushed the pace, hit him in ways other people hadn't been able to and kind of forced Bo to bite down and get through it. But it was the Paul Craig fight that was maddening. I remember my analysis the next day or two days later on morning combat. It was, I'm not going to panic. Bo still wasn't

control the fight, still won, carried it out on the terms he was trying to, which is I'm not even going to lean on my strength. Give me the experience here to work on my craft, but I can't lie to you I had 25 percent doubt on him coming in because of the interviews he gave after that where it sound like he didn't understand the concern of the general public of the of the why wouldn't you lean in your strength in a fight that's close to Make sure that you win it or Or just the it just felt like he was Disconnected that's the term I used last week He was disconnected from the reality of the situation and then you have the footage

and the instances of when he said very grand things long al and luke can we put up the uh, The one reference people are killing him about right now about talking about Hamza Tchermayev on a podcast. I think it was on Ariel's show within the last year. Yeah, the MMA hour before Ariel left there. He said, it wouldn't be surprising to me when I fight Hamza if I'm like a minus 1000 favorite. He's also recently said, you know, if he went in there against DDP right now for the belt,

he'd win in one sided fashion. So I think when I mixed that with, RDR as a true veteran in this game, he's been sent to hell by heavyweights. He's rebounded and fixed himself. And yes, he's vulnerable. Yes, he's not well rounded. Yes, he's prone to making the mistakes like he did in the GM3 fight in his UFC debut where it didn't look like we're looking at a future dark horse title challenger. But he did make those adjustments against Holland. And I just didn't have any

form of foundation to sit on with confidence that Bo now that he's at a level where it's not just my a plan, my athleticism, my ability to almost Ronda Rousey, you get you directly where I need you to be to finish you. Once you lose that, when you step up and wait, you need more. I questioned if he had that. It turns out he didn't. But my biggest surprise, I guess I want to say, is how aggressively the fan base turned against him. I mean, then I told you, no, no, no, I didn't.

Let me close. Let me close with this. I think the you laid out perfect reasons why they were mad. But I think you missed the maybe the most important were mad, but I think you missed maybe the most important one that might have been the thing that turned it so aggressively negative was he's getting Brock Lesnar comparisons. It's Brock Lesnar after the surgery when he just like, as you hit him once hard in the face, the fight's going to go in your direction. He's going to fall apart.

Fans are questioning now based on how much he sort of self-combusted there in the direction, he's going to fall apart. Like fans are questioning now based on how much he sort of self-combusted there in the finish, whether he's really about this game when it's not him delivering his A, you know, him being the front runner and dominating and whether he has the toughness or want, because I think a lot of people are taking his inactivity and saying maybe he doesn't have the passion to get in there and improve and fight six times a year like a hot prospect in his spot might want to or might or should have in a lot of ways. And I look when then when they see him effectively quit from strikes that you wouldn't think would break him against the guy who you're not expecting to break him at all in the striking department, I think that's the thing that that brought out the frauds. You know what what's that yardstick? Look, the the is it called a whole look, if you ever put two hands around a whole that people are coming for.

I put my hands around a bunch of. Ali, I mean, look, you got to admit it. The fact that he couldn't take that the first sign of legitimate. I disagree with this. I disagree with this and broke, dude. I disagree with this. Now I agree with the part you said before. I mean, I did again, I all the credit to you BC. You saw this one coming. Salute. You got a good one here. But I did say on Friday and you and Long Island, Luke disagree with me. I'm like, dude, the fan base, like there's like seething resentment about this guy. And that's what I think you saw after he lost for the reasons you articulated. some of the comparisons were kind of

nuts. Um, you know, and, and it led to all kinds of, uh, pushback. They just don't like the, the UFC favoring somebody. Then they start to doubt whether or not they're deserving of that favoritism, which is weird because MMA fans used to kind of like this. You know, they used to like it when they did it for Paige Van of like this. They used to like it when they did it for Paige Van Zandt. They used to like it when they did it for Sage Northcutt. Hell, they loved it when it happened for Conor McGregor. As I remind everybody, for folks out there who think Conor McGregor didn't get numerous instances on his rise up of favorable matchmaking,

you're out of your fucking mind. He absolutely did. The difference was he made good on it. He took it and was like thanks for the assist to the point you raise. Here comes the alley oop. He didn't mess it up at all and so that turned him into a legend as a consequence for his fighting exploits. But but this was the resentment for Bo was kind of easy to see coming. Here's what I will say though.

I don't. My problem is this. We should talk about the fight a little bit BC. Here is my problem. Go let's talk about the strikes that Bo was throwing constant. This constant widehooks. I like the overhand elbow.

The short overhand right elbow. He had a couple. He had a couple and again he had that one Uchi Mata which turned RDR and then he ankle picked him over. That was nice, that was sick, like job well done. Obviously he can wrestle but he didn't make much use of it and here's the problem. Number one, he sits for the guillotine. I'm so glad you brought the Rousey comparison. Rousey was like this lightning in a bottle moment where she would throw these women and they didn't know like literally what way was up and then she'd arm bar

before they even had a chance to do anything because she was taking like that judo style of competition into fighting and it was electric but then if you stop that there was there was nothing like she completely fell apart. Take a look at Amanda Nunes, take a look at Holly Holm, you know, whatever. Bo sitting to the, like, it's a low fighting IQ move to do that. Or even if it's not, it's certainly, it's certainly the result of somebody who is not experienced. Like sitting to a guillotine like that,

unless you're lights out against a guy who's a known submission specialist, you know, when you don't need to, you had just reversed position to get to a, you know, to like a front headlock series. This was your chance to step away basically. And instead he sits underneath and like, what good was that? Or no, excuse me, this was already our role for the armbar.

And then they get to the position and then he does it. And so the ultimately then he gets pinned. So like, you know, you see see like he's making these offensive decisions BC were like, oh, if I just do this, it will work, right? If I just throw this punch, it will work. If I just take this take down, it will happen. I don't know how much resistance he's getting in the training room at a bare minimum,

like the kind of resistance that he needs. He seems to think that if he just executes, it's just all going to work. And you could, that's why you could just blow through these guys who are lower on the ladder to illustrate what you're saying. He seems delusional. It was the same thing. I thought in the aftermath of the Paul Craig fight, he just didn't seem to have a full way of illustrating and explaining why there was criticism

against him, almost like, no, I've got this. You see, you think it's like, if I just do X, Y will happen. And an experienced fighter knows, like, okay, you might want to do X, you might not actually, but if you do, there's a whole range of things that can happen. Let's make a smarter call about this. He's not doing it. And then when I go to the punches, BC, he was so predictable with what he was going to throw. It was wide, it was long, it was looping, it was leaning every time. They knew he was going to do that. They knew it and they had planned around it.

And BC, even in the clinch, there are times where, yes, RDR is engaging him and you have to find a way out. He had one good, to his credit, Bo Nicol had one good clinch break. I think you mentioned the elbow that he had thrown there. That was nice. But then there are other times where they're clinching. For example, when he gets the back, he does the throw-by. When RDR tries to do that, like, take down in the second round,

Bo Nicol wisely throws him by and gets the back. RDR stands, tries to peel the hands, can't do it but creates enough space to turn. So now they're turned and the instant that they're turned, it's like, dude, break away, push off. And he just stands there and doesn't do anything. And that's the first really hard knee that RDR lands. He had, of course, landed other knees prior,

but that one was the first one. If you actually look at the sequence of events that led to the finish, that's the first one. And he did it because he was just standing there fighting on the other guy's terms. He didn't have his own offensive identity. And this is the point I wanna make. Like I watch now for whatever reason,

more regional MMA than I ever have, or at least in some time, I cannot tell you the difference between prospects that have a functional jab and ones that don't. Right. And for, I know that this was too much too soon for bone nickel, but it's like, dude, you've got to have a series of foundational strikes that enable you to define the range, define the terms of the exchange, allow you to move, allow

you to score damage, all the things that a jab or a really reliable kicking game in different ways can do. And I didn't see any of that shit. No, Corey Anderson had some great tweets about that, about how all a spot, wrestlers turn MMA. If you don't build that foundation out of that jab right in the beginning and go to boxing gyms and cross train on that, you're going to be behind the eight ball. We saw it. But to bring all the point back home, Luke, I still feel like if he didn't act so poorly under fire and then give in and go, I feel like people would be like benefit of the doubt, give him a chance. It's MMA. No one get, hold on. Nobody gets good until the

third or fourth loss. Anyway, I feel like he would have been receiving some sympathy. I think that's the turning point where everybody was like, nah, F this guy. Okay. Do you, I, I believe, I believe that that knee to the liver would have dropped a lot of guys. I don't see that as nickel unusually imploding or even quitting. Oh, so you think the whole finish was like, as you're watching it real time, there was no thought in your head like, wow, that was quick or, oh, no, no, no.

Yes. Yes. Yes. 100%. Here's the problem. So again, he goes for the back of RDR. They stand. RDR tries to break the hands, does it, but uses that to

create space and turns. And then he, he sticks them with that knee. And that sets up basically the beginning of the end. There were several other knees after it, but that was the first real hard one, as I indicated. It looked to me, BC, if you, first of all, if you've never been hit by a knee in your solar plexus or your liver, I don't know how to explain it. It's not just a function of does it hurt. It is immobilizing. It is hard to literally move other than to ball up. Your body in some ways almost takes control of you.

This is why when he folded like that, I don't have a problem with it. He was done. Well, if you're comparing it to a liver punch in boxing, which it seems like you are, I certainly understand the paralyzing nature of it. Yes, yes, but let me just connect the dots. What I will say, BC, is how about he hits him

with another knee, Bo retreats to the fence. And then, you remember this sequence? RDR has one underhook and he's just kind of pounded on him with these small shots and Bo is doing nothing to defend except lightly walk to his right. Do you remember that sequence? Oh, that looked like he didn't even know where he was or how to do. Exactly. That was the moment where I was like, he's never been here before.

He doesn't get hit in practice. Yes. So, Long Island Luke, sometimes you play the voice of the fan. Sometimes you play the voice of the degenerate, but do you feel like it's fair? Everyone's dunking on bowl right now. I'm not asking you if that's fair. I'm saying within that dunking, is it fair to label not as a quitter, but as, as soon as it got hard, that dude was gone. Yeah. To be honest, I want to just say straight up, call me a casual, call me whatever.

In the moment. I didn't think that was an early stoppage or anything. I was just like, oh shit, RDR is the better fighter, Bo Nichols kind of got solved there and looked like shit in the process. I mean, that can also be partially true for sure. That's part of it, but. To see so many people be like, oh, he quit, he quit. Now I'm going back to Luke being like the whole fan base hates him. And I'm almost like, I feel like people are being kind of harsh here, but also he's clearly one dimensional and needs some work. Like long on Luke, here's my read on it.

Like I do think the fans are being a little bit mean, but again, he kind of, you know, I mean, it wasn't like he was reserved in how he talked about himself for all this time. Here's what I think. I don't think he quit, but what I do think is his resistance to pressure is so He hasn't worked on it at all that it just almost instantly collapsed like all the levels of defense and

Resiliency that he's supposed to have it just melted Under pressure because already are new exactly what buttons to push at just the right time, you know Yeah, let's show the Henry Sohuto tweet. This was the only kind of support that I saw that Bo got publicly. And Sohuto said, the wrestling world is taking a hit today. Keep your head up, Bo. This is not the end. I got finished by DJ with a similar body shot, and I went on to avenge that loss and become champion.

You are capable of doing the same. Get back on your horse, brother. Certainly, I like the Bushido and the support element there. Suhuto also makes a point, Luke, that although we never looked at him as sort of remedial as we look at Bo Nicol offensively right now outside of the wrestling, it did take Suhuto a bit where his care levels were called into concern, he had weight issues, he got to a certain point where he was like sub-elite and had that fight of the year with Benavides, but really needed to retool to get to the position where he was two division champion and one of the all time greats at this point. I'm not saying we should declare that bowl will

never win a fight again and never be good at all, but I'm leaning more toward that than any other combination. How much is Henry Sahu to write here though that he really could get busy in the gym starfighting three, four times a year. And maybe we'll put this in the in the rearview mirror. I can't figure out if this is Edmund Shabazzian or not. That's where I'm going with it. Yeah, I don't think it's Edmund Shabazzian. I don't I didn't get that.

Dude, we haven't even talked about this, but like we have to spend some time talking about how fucking awesome RDR is. Oh, and dude, RDR, you know, is so experienced and has so much offense that like that was a in the end, I was like, oh, when we on Friday, I was like, great matchmaking in the end, I was like, bro, they didn't do a bow nickel any favors. I mean, they just didn't. But I don't believe, people have tried, and including here Henry being like,

oh, I lost to DJ and then I came back and won and I was all this, I was much better. I think the comparison to Bo is a little bit overstated, but I will say this BC, I will say this. So if you go and look at Henry's record, not only does he lose to Demetrius Johnson via terrible stoppages, he tries to come back against Benavides,

loses that one too via split. Now I thought he won it, but it was split. But the point being is he has this kind of a setback. He didn't get his first UFC stoppage until after that. It was the karate stance that he debuted against Wilson Hayes and he fucked Hayes up, right? It was the reinvention from this terrible setback he'd been suffering that turned him into

what would eventually become Triple C. This is what I mean, I started the whole conversation this way. Ultimately, whether or not he got fraud checked, Bo Nicol will only depend on how he chooses to use this moment and what it means for his training. And he might lose again, just like Cejudo lost back to back. But if it ultimately is a reinvention, we're going to look back and say, you know what?

He was a little bit ahead of himself, but he lost to a great fighter and he figured it all out. All's well that could end well, depending on how he takes it. Well, well said. Now let's go to that RDR full screen graphic. This is what he has accomplished in six months as a UFC fighter. Submission win over Gerald Mearshaw. First round submission win over Kevin Holland. Second round stoppage of Bo Nichol. That six months. Luke, he has gone from people going, who is that guy? To us going, he's at least a Dark Horse title

challenger. But is he showing you Luke that he could be on his way to like absolutely legit knock on the door? He could be, you know, I mean, is it one or two wins away? Where are we at right now in this arc? I don't know exactly how far he is away, but not far. I think two wins, maybe three at the most, but I don't think they're gonna do that.

I think they're gonna let him have a couple of, you know, top five ish, top seven ish wins. And that might be enough to get the job done depending on how things go. Um, dude, what a breath of fresh air he is, huh? Like this is so great. I got a great tan too. I mean, oh yeah. I mean, Florida's doing him some wonders. He didn't get in that tan and, and, and Rotterdam, I can tell you that, but, uh, he is such a nice addition to the middleweight But he is such a nice addition to the middleweight division. He's a nice addition to the sport and BC here's our to the UFC more broadly. This is what I love

about him. Like he did he had offense everywhere. Everywhere, everywhere. There was nowhere nickel could hide. And that's what that's what nickel didn't, I think, understand about the Paul Craig fight. It's like you have places to hide in this fight where he can't touch you and you're not really touching him but you know there's no danger coming your way. Dude what did what did RDR do? Whoosh right up to his face and both rounds and absolutely took control of it. He goes for submissions, he goes for sweeps, he's got dynamite knees in the clinch, he'll strike with you at range. He's got good finishing instincts. Obviously

would need I say more about his submission prowess. Dude, what a fun addition we got credit to the UFC on this one, right? Because they passed on solid in Parnass and they passed on any number of other prospects like dude, what what's going on here? Well, they didn't pass on RDR. He is breathing life into, yeah, there's fun at the top of middleweight, but he is a welcome addition at a bare minimum. And he is fun and he wants the smoke. What more are you asking for this guy? And I'm glad you said it BC. I would be very surprised if he doesn't contend for a title. How soon? I don't know,

but I think he will. I mean, look, he's making big moves. And I think here's the clear change for him. When I used to interview him when he was with one, he would speak very directly about his path and you know, he, he had big goals. He wanted to be a three division champion in one. He wanted to go up to heavyweight and beat all those guys. And after, especially the first match with, uh, Malikoff, when he just got beaten, I mean, like a drum, he was really humbled by that.

He now, when I interviewed him head of his UFC debut, he talked about really like that was the turning point moment in his career where he had to get back to reality. So when he talked about coming into this UFC run, he was telling me exclusively, I'm just going to have fun. I'm not going to put any pressure on myself in terms of where I'm going.

Yeah, I want to fight for a title, but if I don't get there, that's fine. I just want to go out there and have fun and be with a top flight organization. Dude, maybe it was that switch to not caring as much that's put him in this position. He took fights on short notice, he's got three wins in six months,

and now we had a pretty damn good call out. Here is RDR after the fight at the press conference saying who he wants next. So after the fight you called out Shawn Strickland. I mean that's obviously an interesting guy to call out and bring into your life because you're probably going to have three months of abuse and hatred towards you. What is it about the Shawn Strickland fight that entices you so much? I think I might be regretting it in a little bit, yeah. But now as I said in the cage, this was the best American wrestler. Let's do the best American striker.

I like Sean. He's a funny dude. He's a real character. And he's still top five, right? Like what ranking? Three, four? I would say so. Yeah, but I think it's an interesting matchup. Style-wise, he's a very good jab. I don't think my jab is too bad. Yeah, I would like that fight. I don't think my jab is too bad. Yeah, I would like that fight. I would really like that fight.

Do you have a timeline for when you would like to do that fight? Next week, Montreal, baby, let's go. Congratulations on the win there. Luke, just sometimes you gotta say fuck it and just go for it, right? It's kinda what he's doing. Don't you think though, I mean,

the one impediment to this would be that they, does the UFC want to punt on Izzy Strickland too? That's a big fight, at least promotionally, it's a big fight, right? They're not gonna skip that, they're not gonna skip that. That's a big fight. Right, so that's what he's kind of up against,

but nevertheless, I mean, you know, I was looking to see when that GM3 fight, it was in November, I was gonna say to myself, Jesus, could you imagine if he did all of this? I know it was six months, but you know, could you imagine if it was all in 2025? He would be like already a lock for fighter of the year or something. It's just an insane run that he's on. Either way, I don't even care what is next as long as it's some kind of escalation. Dude, give him fluffy Hernandez, give him Brendan Allen, any of these fights are freaking awesome. Make it because he is a guaranteed

deliverer. Would you hate him against a Vittori who's on kind of coming down at the moment? I mean, Nope. I don't know if that would do it. Now that one, that one, I wouldn't hate it. I don't know if that's the best choice, but I wouldn't hate it. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you on that one. Good stuff. Luke, let's quit. We spent I agree with you on that one. Good stuff. Luke, let's quit. We spent a lot of time on this co-main event, probably for rightful reasons, but we do have to mention a few other things that happened there. Jeremy Stevens tying Clay Guida's UFC record with 19 losses, even though he got main card

treatment, got a big pop from the crowd, fought like a badass through head kicks and blood, but would fall the Mason Jones. Now this is Stevens falling to one nine and one in his last 11 MMA bouts in hindsight, are you okay with him getting like the hometown victory lap? He was in this fight, but that's a gaudy bad record now with 19, uh, all time. Els. Right. I mean, this is one of those ones where like, I think I can, I can definitely look the other way this time, right?

It's the Iowa thing. He's been there for a long time or was there a long time. And, and also, like when they were exchanging on the feet, particularly the second round BC, he was given Mason Jones some problems. I mean, again, I've seen the scores 327 across the board, but like, Jones took that fight to the third round, excuse me, to the ground in the third round for a very particular reason. And I

that's fine. But like, Stevens, you can see why he still got a lot of life left if he's boxing Jose Aldo or doing BKFC. I think he's still a very viable competitor, but to the point you raise in MMA at this level, it doesn't make sense anymore. Luke, we never talk about strawweight, Jillian Robertson, but we might want to start. She retired Marina Rodriguez on Saturday by second round TKO. She's also improved to six in one since 2022. And if we can show the picture, she's, she's very cannabis friendly, Luke. I mean, look, this division has seen better days, but she's kind of becoming a refreshing story in there. Is she not?

I didn't see this one coming. I'll just be honest with you. I didn't see it coming. And here she is. And she's starting to get a win streak where you're like, man, she might be undeniable at this point in terms of like the meritocracy or the, the, where she rates in terms of the title shot queue. This is, this is good.

She, she demolished Marina Rodriguez. Like she beat the shit out of her. And to the point you raise a minor setback in this broader win streak that she's been on, but otherwise is just out here dealing, putting away some big names too. Like she's got a little bit of that, if you look at her record BC,

she's got a little bit of that Joaquin Buckley thing going on where she beats, That's not quite right. Well, a little halfway halfway. She beats you know Michelle Waterston Gomez kind of a name in that division. The Marina Rodriguez certainly not less than a name but more of a stalwart. Not quite comparisons a bit stretch,

but the point I'm trying to make here is killer loop. That's what you're calling. Yeah, something like that, but the point I'm trying to make is BC here. By the way, Dean Thomas look. Look what he's been doing for Sean Brady. I mean, all credit to Sean. He's amazing.

But you know, Kevin Dean probably hasn't heard and Dean Thomas has been in the corner of Gillian Robertson for a long time, man, she is really starting to put it something special here together. I would not be like for sure she's going to contend for a title. And do we really feel like, like it's out of the question she could win it? I don't, I don't think, I don't think that at all. She'd have to, there's another step up in terms of like a,

a stalwart and elite that's been there that she's going to have to be. And if she can get there, then I'll, then I'll believe, but I've never believed in her this much after seeing like the, the attitude, the sw swagger the way she's carrying herself She's figured out how to get the best out of herself and that's what we want for any every single fighter You know, so that's great to see a shout out to D rod Daniel Rodriguez stopping Santiago Ponce and Nibial creating that fun Picture of D rod celebrating while Ponzi is leaning

Also killer Miller coming off a two-year layoff got a win. It was gross in the curtain, Jerker. Luke Thomas, anything else on this undercard you want to highlight? The Azamat Bokhoi fight against Ryan Loader. BC, Ryan Loader doesn't even have a Wikipedia entry and he won the Ultimate Fighter. Did you know that? I did not know that. Did you know that Ryan Lo did not know that. Years old now Luke. I anyway, as I met McCoy punched his lights out in two and a half minutes. Basically in the first round I

don't know much about him, but. They look pretty good, so let's see a little bit more. We could always use it. You know another another exciting entrance of the middleweight sweepstakes. I suppose long out Luke. You love the under cards.

You love the main card minute you love. The the green stuff but who'd you love on this card? Good Cole Luke shouting out Bokoyev I gotta give a shout out to Kwong Lee Kweng Lee whatever his name was. He rear naked choke Gaston Balaños out cold that was that was sick also he was an underdog so that was I like this card overall I enjoyed it it was fine. Dude it he was an underdog. So that was I like this card overall. I enjoyed it. It was fine. It did. It started really strong as soon as Jeremy Stevens got taken down in round three. It hit like a weird like hour and a half lull and then it came back alive. But yeah, it did. It did. It's to the point to the to the point. Look like round

three of Jeremy Stevens. It goes quiet for the the next two fights and then even through the first two rounds of the D-Rod Ponsonibio fight, it was kind of quiet, but then he polishes him off in the third, and then it picked up the rest of the way. It was like that was the bracketing. Round three of Jones and Stevens, round three of Ponsonibio D-Rod.

And that was like a two hour shit going, oh God, this card is getting brutal, but it came back around. Indeed, indeed. We got a lot to transition to now in the box game, but before we do that, a reminder that this podcast, Morning Combat, is sponsored by Total Wireless, right? The official wireless partner of UFC.

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You know what I'm talking about? If it makes me a champion, that's what I'm, that's what I'm going to say. That's what I'm going to say. The mother f***** best, Luke. You're the best. All right. Hey, let's go to topic number three. Although, although shout out to Niall Inouye and Ramon Cardenas on Sunday

night's top ranked card, which I don't know if save the weekend is the right verbiage, but gave us something to enjoy and talk about on what was otherwise a monstrous bust for Cinco de Mayo and the ambitious plans, at least in this weekend of Turkey Al-Asheq. One week after Turkey kicked off his new The Ring series after buying Ring magazine and refurbishing the brand to a much greater height when we saw Chris Eubank and Connor Ben give us the fight of the year. Turkey brought that ambition until this weekend, but he didn't have the same results in this multi-continent two-day fest that was Friday

in Times Square and then Canelo Alvarez leading the charge on Saturday in Riyadh. But there were a lot of issues here. Mostly three of the six worst or most boring fights in CompuBox history happened on Turkey Alishic cards on back-to-back nights. Three of total combined punches thrown, the fewest, including the number one all time of a 12 round bout, Canelo versus William Skull, and Canelo also, by the way, in a single performance throwing the least amount of punches in 12 round CompuBox history. So look, we saw a lack of urgency. We saw multiple star fighters see their marketability kind of plummet, at least for the minute. And we saw a can't miss Garcia Haney rematch go from we need it now to maybe

unnecessarily and unwanted. So from the debacle of the Times Square being contested behind big fences with billionaires on the inside and influencers, to Canelo School going on at 6 AM local time in front of less than 4,000 people in Saudi Arabia. How would you grade as a whole? What has typically been boxing's biggest weekend of the calendar year after what we saw the last three nights? F.

Whoa. Whoa. That's not even on an in a way curve. I'll give that single. Okay. Here's what I'm going to say in a way. Cartinus. I'll give an a, a two, I'll give an a two. But that's how bad the first two nights were. They're so bad that I can respect like if you guys didn't see the Inouye fight last night it's fucking great like go see it. He gets dropped in the second and then realizes a strong word but then kind of surges late and then basically just ends up you know having a bombing on the guy but like you know there's drama the whole way through it's fantastic but that's how bad the first like literally I'm telling you this folks But that's how bad the first like literally I'm telling you this folks arguably for Friday and Saturday night or at least if you're just counting even Saturday night arguably one of the worst weekends in modern boxing history if not

the worst that's what we're talking about here a disaster in every possible way that it essentially could have been a nightmare BC. And it was a nightmare, I think, in two different ways, right? Partly the issue is Canelo is clearly just going through the motions. School or skull, I mean, school is just a Hispanic pronunciation, but whatever. He, you could, he had, he had no belief he could win. And it was obvious from the get go. Well no, he thought he was winning, Luke.

That was the problem. He thought he was winning. He claimed he thought he was winning. He wasn't winning, dude. He, I don't mind hit and not get hit fighters, but in his case, you have to hit. It's not good enough to just not get hit. And he wasn't doing that.

And that was to me driving me absolutely insane and Canelo BC he's I don't know if he's finished I don't know maybe that's a little bit of a strong word but well I'm gonna ask you specific questions about that in a second I wanted to kind of wrap up overall overall what was supposed to be a weekend that kind of highlights both the Mexican American contribution to boxing but you know highlights boxing more broadly to me BC it did it did a little bit the opposite they created a series of events that pulled boxing out of the context in what makes boxing special it is not a coincidence that you know listen no one thought Cardenas was like the guy to challenge in a way, but they at

least had the decency to put it in a big arena. They had the decency to put it on linear television. They made it accessible to some degree. I mean, you could argue with the promotion and what ESPN did for him, putting a pound for pound talent at 10pm on a Sunday. But even that is better than just putting it behind a paywall on Dezone or BC, putting it behind a weird red curtain that, like I was talking with another MMA media member

about this over text and he was like, oh, it feels like a COVID show. I'm like, it feels like the palace of Versailles, where the poor are on the outside who can't enjoy anything and they're just walled off to what the insiders and the elite get to enjoy at the expense of everybody else. And then they're taking Canelo out of the thing that kind of makes him Canelo and they're

putting it in this other context and it was a dud. Against the worst possible style opponent. You can't nobody there, dude. There was nobody there. Boxing culture to, you know, especially on Cinco de Mayo. It is Mexican culture. I mean, I'm not the, I'm not the expert on Mexican culture. I'm just an observer from afar, but it's like, if you've ever seen Cinco de Mayo with Canelo in Vegas or whatever, bro, it's unfucking mistakeable what that is.

And if you take the things that make boxing work in those ways and you remove it, it doesn't work the same anymore. No, it doesn't. And shout out to in a way, and Cardenas, as you mentioned, it shout out to that crowd at T-Mobile arena, I believe they got about 8,000, but it was a, it was a strong, and, and, and, you know, obviously the fights delivered, but what I watched on Friday and Saturday, this ain't it. This ain't it. And I, and I know like, you know, if you've read Thomas Hauser's piece on the guardian about sort of the behind the scenes story of Turkey getting time square and getting cleared from the major, many, many hurdles by the city. Ultimately, I think a lot of the things they got criticized for the high fences, stuff like that. It turned out to be out of their control, but they stuck stubbornly to putting

it in Times Square. And I get the novelty of it. I was for it. I get all that. But it stopped being about boxing at all. And it kind of stopped being about the boxers, even though these were the guys that sold this big event, right? All the fantastic trash talk between Ryan Garcia, not against his opponent really, but

to Devin Haney and the co-main, to Teo Fimo to tease a future fight above the one they're already teasing. I love a lot of that, but I don't love the execution of how this was rolled out. We tried to give you the benefit of the doubt for the things coming that we didn't like that were potentially damaging, which is you're making people buy three pay per views in eight days on the zone. Even with like a ten dollar discount, if you bundle like you're still making them do things that are not in theory for the sport. Right. This isn't on national television. This isn't on Netflix. It's behind the paywall on an app that only boxing fans have in the states anyway. And then you you talk up this big game about how the public can enter and

you put out this these pieces of artwork showing a ring in Times Square and every direction you see thousands of people and whether it was your fault or not that it played out the way it did. It played out the worst possible way for for, you know, first impressions when you watch it large fences The public couldn't even be behind the fences They had to go a couple blocks down and watch on screens with or once or two screens with no sound Media like we said earlier weren't allowed in it was billionaire connections

influencers cool people Okay, if it's still delivered fun fights, we'd kind of be ridiculous sitting here critiquing it with such a fine-tuned pen. But here's the deal. It actually F'd with the fights itself. It wasn't just, oh shit, man, Devin Haney put on the worst possible performance for his brand, although we got the win against Jose Ramirez in what we thought was the worst fight we've ever seen until the fight after it. It was contagious across the board. Arnold Barbosa in the tail fight barely let his hands go. However, they they did that. It wasn't for the fighters or the sport. And I don't think it's ever been. I know you can argue capitalism and greed. Is it ever for these power promoters?

Well, if it's not the real ones can see right through it. And one of those real ones is Timothy Bradley Jr., the Hall of Fame boxer, the top rank announcer. He went on an epic rant. We captured part of it here. Even if I'm not fully agreeant in every category 100%, I think this is the closest words that I've heard echoing what I feel in my heart about what Riyadh's citizen has become because it's

not just have, have you enjoyed the ride with Turkey or have you not? It's that you're now opening a new prism where you're going to partner with the UFC and TKO who have nothing but unhappy fans right now and MMA and pro wrestling based on a lot of their tactics of late and Now you're gonna take this sport and maybe create more weekends like this. Let's hear from Tim Bradley fighters on there They don't have the passion bro. Don't have the desire bro at all. Everybody is spoiled Nowadays these fighters are all spoiled and it's all to y'all man that y'all love all the y'all y'all older to y'all man That y'all love all y'all y'all y'all those guys out there all the people that love love this man That y'all is here. I ain't say nothing. Okay. I ain't say no name, but y'all a but I'm just saying

Spoiling these guys man. These guys are making way too much money and I get it They all say always money money money money and I get it. They all say, oh, money, money, money, money, bro, to get that, to get that those type of performances, bro. Come on, bro. No passion, no drive, no hunger. Fighters are whack straight up whack all of them straight trash whack. That was that was I was horrible to watch yesterday man.

I was so angry man, and you can still see I'm still angry about it Because I'm like, oh, that's all that's a that wasn't no boxing event. That wasn't a boxing event last night, man That was quote unquote entertainment. That's what that's I was the only thing that was attached to that Entertainment, but no boxing event. I want a real boxing man who the fuck shows up in the car, bro But no boxing event that one no real boxing man who the fuck shows up in the car, bro Who and that's what I'm gonna who does that bro the whole the whole event was just bizarre It seemed like it was no fans being there no Media exactly bro because it was a flat out. It was a flex bro. That was a flex in New York's face, bro That was a straight-up flex man. Oh, that's what that was straight flex look what we can do it wasn't about the fighters the fight the fighters are

pawns that's all it was about fighters of pawns bro the real agenda you don't know the real agenda but at the end of the day I'll just say this man I never want to see something like that ever again I never want to see something like that ever again if you fighters you fighters are not passionate about about being the best out there, bro. Don't get in the ring. Don't don't get in the ring. Please don't get in the ring. Save my time, bro. That was so damn disappointing, bro. You wasted my time last night, bro. I was angry watching that trash. Anyways, from one. So that was before the Canelo fight card ever happened, which again, Canelo would have been T-Mobile Arena, Allegiant Stadium, Jerry World, like wherever you put him in there, he draws a monstrous crowd, a huge live gate.

It becomes a cultural event. It's a celebration for some of Mexican heritage or for some just this is boxing Super Bowl night. of Mexican heritage or for some just this is boxing Super Bowl night and you took Canelo put him in against the lowest profile opponent possible even though I obviously understand what the goal was with Undisputed there and the worst style matchup and then we get a Canelo that didn't look like he cared that much but it's also 7 30 a.m local time like this is if it was if it was just Friday I don't think we could be, there's a limit to our criticism, but these back-to-back nights, they just kind of showed if this is the future of where boxing is going, and then on top of it, we're only going to add in TKO and Dana White and the

recent tone of how UFC has been handled, promoted, and presented, not to even mention the Ali Act and the purses and all that. Like the only thing I don't fully agree with on Bradley's rant, and I want to get your take here, Luke, is I don't want it to be all about, oh, these guys are getting too much money. Because I think that's too convenient for Dana White and company to be like, well, we know how to fix that. I think it's more like this style of matchmaking, this fantasy style of just picking any two and put them against each other. Like you had a can't miss rematch.

Now I know that's our next topic, we're gonna slide into it in a second. But like people don't even want it anymore. Like everything that went wrong could have, and I think Bradley's right, it wasn't about boxing. This was the most like, I'm not even gonna go the political side of it, but nothing here was about boxing in the end and about the thing that actually makes it. Same thing with Canelo Saturday morning, Sunday morning, Saturday night in the middle of the desert in front of nobody. This is this ain't it.

This is not it. It's just a very basic question. Who does Turkey serve? Who does he serve? Does he serve boxing or does boxing serve him? Because he I don't think he serves boxing. That's not to say he can't make good fights. He's made some good fights, BC.

He's made good fights. We waste a lot of money, dude. It's like, no, I mean, it's an insane amount of money. He's burned, but I'm saying the record does not show that Turkey makes nothing but bad fights. That's not, that's not a week ago. We were like, way to go uncle, uncle two, two way to go. Okay.

Like, holy shit. But I just want to, I just as a wrap this up on this particular line item. Who does Turkey serve? He serves the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. And so everything that they do, ultimately, whether in the short term or the long term, whether it's visible or not, everything is in service to those interests. And whether or not it's in the long term interest of boxing or more in particular,

for our audience's sake here, we have a global audience, but for US fans, whether or not that serves US interests and whether or not it serves Garcia's or Haney's or anybody else's interests may or may not happen. And we have to understand that there's a dividing line. Always ask yourself, what is, when Turkey works day and night for this, it's in service to whom? Just remember that. This wasn't to the fans on pay-per-view. You couldn't even watch it. There's in service to whom? Just remember this wasn't to the fans on pay per view,

you couldn't even watch it. There's fences up everywhere. Let's show the tweet here from a longtime boxing scribe Ryan song Aliyah. This was also part of it. Luke, the one unfortunate development of the time square fights is that New York boxing gyms were offered tickets to watch the fight only to arrive and only be granted access to soundless screen several blocks away, pending areas without seats to act as extras for when the TV feed wanted to show crowd shots. Lots of people arrived and then would watch the fights from home. This is just another example of it. That's not for the fans, that's not for the people.

And then on top of it, and look, that's part of what you accept with the Turkey experience. You accept the sports washing, you accept the fact that that Friday thing was more like Tim Bradley said, a flex than anything. But then when you not only don't get good fights for all the effort put in, you actually get some of the worst fights we've ever seen. You just crushed and killed a rematch. You just crushed the brands of the fighters and some of them are the fighters fall. There's no question. But when it's all negative at once and you have the worst weekend ever, I think it's a wake up call to boxing and go, is this actually the direction we want to go? Let's see that quick tweet from MVP, Luke, when we talk about the overall punching issues there. Amanda Serrano threw 324 punches in November of last year in the rematch with Katie Taylor. They combined Barbosa, Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney, and Canelo over the weekend combined for 319. Combined for a Luke. Let's quickly talk about those are two minute rounds.

She's fighting in. Yeah. And so on top of that in two minute rounds. All right. Let's talk about it. there was good from that Friday card Good for roly romero and by extension pbc pulling a monstrous upset in the main event over ryan garcia Uh, we got a quick sound from roly and then we'll get luke's take on this fight They didn't have a fucking hotel room for me. They fucked up my gloves They didn't give me no damn pergene nothing. I didn't care. I kept it cool. I kept it cool. They didn't want to put no damn money in escrow or nothing.

Look at this shit. They all had a fucking plan. Look at this shit. I destroyed everything they fucking had. Luke, we're going to shift to the Austrian Ryan Garcia part of that conversation in a second but just from Roli, you kinda hear how he was treated like the B-side like the opponent brought in to to take a big L and we did all predict it by the way. How good of a win is

this for Roli? Will it always come with an asterisk or did this kinda save his top end career here? I think this was actually a pretty big win. I mean, in the end, he drops him in what what round was that? second round third round? Yes. So that's obviously the highlight because the rest of that fight did kind of suck but this is why it was important for Role-EBC is not just that he won or that he dropped Garcia that's big but it was that he fought disciplined and tactically through the duration like in short if you didn't see this fight, maybe you saw the knockdown. They didn't show highlights beyond that,

but like it was kind of boring after that. However, Roli outboxed him. I don't know how else to say it. Roli outboxed him. BC, I just did not think he had it in him after the loss to Tank, which was fine, because he was getting overly aggressive and Tank's an unforgiving puncher.

But then Pitbull Cruz fucked him up and we talked about the Barroso fight, which was just a mess. I had lost total confidence in him. BC, credit to Rolly Romero. I didn't believe in him and I'm sure many others. And it looked like obviously the promotion in this particular case had no faith in him

and that's why they booked him in the contest. Oops, he upset the apple cart. And we'll talk about this, I know. Whatever you wanna say what Garcia's condition and whatever the reality is it's also undeniably true that Roley had a good answer a well prepared answer for Garcia's left hook He neutralized it and Garcia had no way to ever get back into the fight He neutralized it and Garcia had no way to ever get back into the fight. Roley did that to him, no debate about it.

Dude, he disciplined him to not trying to almost giving up, almost in a way that I relate to what Volk did to Jose Aldo in that fight. He almost frustrated him so bad that he dissuaded him from just, yeah, like whatever. We'll just go, we'll walk it out and go the distance. I got to give Roley credit for that. The defense that he committed to not leave an opening for that left hook. And then he showed you when he's at full welterweight, he's absolutely a legitimate puncher. He's also very raw and is going to be beat by many elites.

But this was a breakthrough performance in those levels of maturity. It's wild that he pulled off an upset and did it by unanimous decision. It's crazy. All right, quickly before we transition into the Garcia Haney talk, one more thing, Luke, this is kind of like state-run media now when they had the Pat McAfee pregame show on Dizone there,

but check out this question with Booker T. in Turkey focusing on maybe reframing the idea of what the Ali Act is and does. You talk about the live blood of boxing and the live blood of the Ali act is and does. You talk about the lifeblood of boxing and the lifeblood of the fighters as well. How important it is for you to actually be able to help facilitate these boxers because I always talk about the Ali act. The Ali act is all about, you know, taking care of the boxers. And now with your help, the boxers are going to be in such better places than they've ever

been. I want to tell you something. As an example, I meet yesterday all the fighters, all of them, and I say to them, win or lose, we will still do business with you. This is mean for them a lot. Yes. And to accept fight like this, now with the good money, with the good commercial, with a good place, with the good fight, he can take the risk. Before, why I take the risk? No money, my promoters doesn't support this

fight. I will do normal fight and that's it. Dude, that's a lot of propaganda being pushed. The planted question to Booker T, putting it forth like you already do these great things for these fighters and I know the changes you make to the Aliac will only help that in the long run. Yeah, can I give you some details on that? Please. So, we haven't seen any draft legislation yet, but what I've been told by folks in the know is that what TKO is looking to do is two things. BC One, frame the idea that promoters can create

their own titles as like adding more opportunity. And it's like, I don't understand how the argument is like, oh, there's too many titles in boxing, let's just add more, cause that's more opportunity. It's self-refuting, but obviously we know what they wanna do. They wanna use their titles at the expense of everyone else and then help that,

use that to help control the talent. That's the whole point. But what they might do on the front end of the Ali Act, aside from this Orwellian framing of, it's more opportunity is, and this is not a bad thing. They might introduce some minimum pay standards per round into the legislation. And they might introduce some legislation

that improves pre-fight medical screening. And to be clear, nobody's against that. Nobody's against improved pre-fight medical screening and some minimum pay standards as it relates to what you get paid per round. Again, whether these make it into final draft legislation and whatnot, I don't know, but that's what I'm told that they're seeking to do. And of course, the point is obvious, BC. they're doing that as a way to like, you know, a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. Right? It's both a distraction. You're like, oh, we're, we're creating more opportunity.

We're putting more safety standards in. We're creating better pay, but that's all just a red herring because the stuff they're introducing is bare minimums don't affect their business anyway. And then more to the point, the whole game is controlling their own titles so just be on the lookout for that as you as they try to manufacture consent for this they're gonna try and find ways to show

that this is actually pro fighter when don't be fooled it quite obviously is not right and if they can get it drastically changed the the biggest thing that they would want changed is the transparency that the Ali act provides so that when fighters get paid they get to see how much the promoter took. They get to see a full print out of the entire breakdown of what happened. They'd love to take that away too, don't you believe that? So I'm sure they're gonna pump up ways where they'll promote that it's helping the fighters, but to see it played out like this now on these very,

I mean that was a zone show that stream live on the fighters. But to see it played out like this now on these very, I mean, that was a zone show that stream live on the WWE social networks too. And you know, they're, they, I mean, they use McAfee aggressively to, to kind of be their spokesman to the casuals of like, this, this is the, you know, this is the new message. This is the new it's, it's, it's still state run media, but it's a hip way of presenting it, Luke. It's kind of wild.

All right. You can't run against the Ali act. I think, you know, that cryptic comment that Ari Emanuel had back on Pat McAfee whenever long ago, you know, you can't run against it, but what you can do is, Oh, we can actually, we can make it better. We're going to, we're going to embrace the Ali act. That's what you can. So just be on the lookout for that kind of stuff.

And I look, I'd like to break down Teo Fimo's win and what he does. There's just not enough time and rightfully so, Luke, or not rightfully so, but like justifiably so, all the headlines from these two days did unfortunately drawn out with what I thought was a return to a top level form and a nice win by Teo Fimo Lopez Jr. against Arnold Barbosa Jr. But topic number four, Luke, let's get into the Garcia Haney side of this and the fact that the rematch But topic number four, Luke, let's get into the Garcia Haney side of this and the fact that the rematch now appears to be blown up after King Ryan got exposed in an absolute snoozer of a fight against Roland Romero, which has only fueled or relitigated this whole Osterring gate and the whole idea now of not just

was Ryan Garcia on PEDs the first time when he fought Haney their last bout, but was he off of it now? And you saw the extreme difference right there. There's a sensitive topic, but it's now a very understandable one For the record Devin Haney is saying publicly that he still wants to rematch. He's gonna push forth his contract He says to get it But it's definitely worthy of debate whether there should or whether anyone even wants it after What could not have been two worst fights for the story they were trying to sell.

I wasn't against that story. You know, like I wanted both guys to get a tune up, but this was disastrous. So Luke, for all the backlash that Devin Haney received last year when he got dropped three times by Ryan Garcia, when he sued him in the aftermath and didn't fight again and really just had a horrible year from a PR standpoint. Then you've got Garcia coming out with an absolutely soulless performance in his

upset loss to Rowley. Did the dreadful Times Square card ultimately teach us though that we owe Devin Haney an apology for the narrative that came out of their fight last year being changed from an upset win to a no contest due to the drug tests or in any way do you think his own inexcusable performance in the coma and against Jose Ramirez is enough of a stain that just overrides this whole topic of suing Ryan Garcia and whether we owe Haney a big maya culpa. I think this card is much more destructive to so many things than we realized.

First of all, I don't have to apologize to Devin Haney because I was never one of these guys that afterwards I, you know, suing is not the thing that I thought would have been the best idea. And there's no denying that it was over the, it resulted in bad PR. I brought this up on Friday's MK. Did I not with UBC that I was like, did we really have to kill him for it? Turns out he might've had a point. I brought this up on Friday's MK. Did I not with UBC that I was like, did we really have to kill him for it? Turns out he might have had a point.

Turns out he might have had a point. First of all, I didn't I didn't hate seeing Ryan Garcia suffer a loss here at all. I'll just be completely honest with you. Number one, he Yes, he was more professional this time around. And I think he's trying to live a more sober life. And that's good as far as it goes. But everything to me was connected in April of 2024. The fact that he missed weight with some evidence, arguably intentionally. Yes, he's going on these like tours of not just a little bit of racism, you see insane, like, I can't I can't even like halfway even attempt to repeat it for because of how insane it is. And much more than that Muslims and gays the whole

nine, like anybody could get it. He was just spraying the block. He was just dripping with mania and poison and he did not care who got hurt in the process, whether it was some group he was slandering or whether or not it was an opponent in Devin Haney. So to see the boxing gods come around and just completely flip the switch on him, I have to tell you that was not difficult at all for me to watch. Just matter of factly I'll say that number one. But more to the point BC BC, I'm going to say it again. Garcia does have some plausible deniability around Ostarine. It is one of the contaminants that you'll find in sports supplementation that tends to pop up more than others. That's real. The problem is, if you act like an absolutely insane drug-addled person and then you go and have a, I'm gonna say, surprisingly good

performance. I know BC that I'm never gonna live it down that I said Haney was gonna tune Ryan up like a guitar but maybe now folks can see why I was never a big believer in Ryan Garcia. I don't think he's very good. I'm gonna just say it out loud. I don't think he's very good. I'm going to just say it out loud. I don't think he's very good. He was certainly good in April of 2024 when he fought Devin Haney, no question about it, but I think the overall record of evidence suggests he's not necessarily all that great. And this was something of a reminder of it. So even with these points of plausible deniability that he does have to his credit, if you're gonna come out in a rebound fight where you are widely expected to look good, and you look like a cheap facsimile of what the guy in April of 2024 turned in, you now

at a bare minimum, invite extraordinary scrutiny about what you were doing before, how Devin Haney was treated, all by the way, all of the hangers-ons who thought the Ryan Garcia mania party was funny or cool, or let's look the other way when he's saying outrageous things about black people. Like all of those folks have gone very quiet because I think it has dawned on him

that they had hitched their wagon to a guy who has, at least at that moment in time, a rancid heart to act the way that he did. Now again, I think he is, it looks from all indications BC, he's trying to make positive change, it's as good as far as it goes, I hope it continues. But this is what I want to point out. That's just the Garcia fight. Haney comes back and just looks like damaged goods. A rebound can take time. It doesn't necessarily happen in one fight. That's true for Garcia and that's going to be true for Haney. Let's see how things go. But he looked like he was just, you know, I'm not going to hang on for survival, but not willing to take a bunch of risk. BC, not only was this event bad for boxing broadly and then bad for Garcia.

And to an extent, Haney stock, it destroys the whole four kings narrative of this era, the four princes era completely it's gone. It doesn't exist. That's part of it. Now, now obviously we have to remember that this is boxing. You're only as good as your last performance in the narrative changes so quickly and Ryan just showed that because I think the biggest story takeaway for me is that he's now fooled me twice

and that's going to be the last time he fools me meaning he fooled me to believe he wasn't even fit to step through those ropes against Haney mentally and part of it was him fooling us. Obviously he also was going through a lot and was bat-shit and on Osterine and on self admittedly a lot of other crazy things at the time. So, but he fooled me again this time to believe that some of what happened in April inside the ring was also some of his natural maturity and physically and also mentally added with what he went through last year and a lot of itself imposed for sure. And I'm not apologizing for that, but he last year. And a lot of it self-imposed for sure, and I'm not apologizing for that,

but he was also going through a lot of life trauma. So I thought he was gonna come out of that from the divorce, his mom's cancer scare, all of that, and almost losing his kids in that arrest, to being dedicated in training. The videos look good. His comments said a lot about him coming in, his confidence. But then to see this performance, you're right, Luke. It brings back all the old stereotypes and scares and

thoughts we had where we, yes, gave him credit for getting up off the deck against Luke Campbell and knocking him out and gutting out a win that is still screams to be his strongest on his resume, short of Haney, right? But he's a roller coaster since then. And he was great against Haney, but I can no longer believe that, like, it seems we see that there's a mythical creature. Just like 2013 TRT Belfort, there was April of 24, Ostering Garcia. Like, that's just, and I'm not saying, Luke, here's the problem.

It's like, you know, I care about Ryan as a person in terms of, I don't wanna see even with all the crap he's pulled, his life go into turmoil. But you're almost gotta ask yourself in a sick, twisted boxing way, does that produce the best version of him? You know what I mean? And how is he going to mentally rebound from this?

It felt like he was fighting back tears, but this was an awful performance. Here's Ryan at the press conference afterwards. It's going to be interesting to see. I mean, his life has felt like a reality show, but I certainly wish him well in dealing with this loss and hopefully in a way it can re-spark him. But I don't know after hearing this. Just even in the start of the fight, it just didn't feel like my feet were under me, like I hadn't anything. Very off after the year layoff. I'm extremely disappointed in the way I fought.

It felt like a sparring match and it felt like it just didn't feel authentic to me. But, you know, no excuses. Didn't feel there at all. One of those things where I was like, man, I don't know what's going on. Nothing was clicking. Once you step in the ring, everything fades away. This time I went in the ring and I could hear everybody, Shakur, Richardson,

everybody like just screaming stuff. I don't know why I didn't zone it out. It was weird. It just felt like a weird fever dream just happened. It was just so awkward. Like, I don't know why. Like usually fights don't feel that way. It just feels like you're in it and you're fighting. You don't hear nobody, nothing. So yeah, that was a little different.

I got to figure it out up here. You'll see that aggression come out. I just didn't have that. Didn't have that aggression to go kill. You got to have that in the ring. Luke, it was like Rose and Asparza title rematch. It just didn't make sense. There was a disconnect.

I think it's everything at once. It's the fact that the Times Square card was weird for the fighters. It was like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don was a disconnect I don't I like I think it's everything at once. It's the fact that the time square card was weird for the fighters It's the fact that he got knocked down and disciplined in round two But you have to agree the most disappointing part of this was that when that fight got difficult he had nothing He had no adjustment So it fuels all of those things we were saying that maybe he never was and maybe that was a mythical creature

We saw a year ago in the midst of some crazy life turmoil that some of that he certainly brought on himself We can't fully write it off and I'm not gonna fully write it off and I'm glad you brought the point Like if he keeps doing the healing that I think he needs to do because I don't think he's even close to being done These are all good things. I'm not against that but like You know, what was the penalty he suffered aside from time off for all the things. I'm not against that. But like, you know, what was the penalty he suffered aside from time off for all the things that he did?

Not much, I mean, he lost his purse. Okay, it was a financial penalty, but in the end, not a whole lot. I'm sure he made a sick amount of money for this one. I also think though, and I said earlier, it's just worth reiterating, for Haney and Garcia, that time off, I don't, you know, he did him some good in some senses,

but competitively, I don't, it didn't make him their best. Also, he brings it up, that weird, that event just did not work in terms of getting the best from boxers. Now some were able to plug in, Teo Fima was able to plug in, or lock whatever the kids say, lock in. He was able to do all that.

Romero was able to do it. So it's not exactly an excuse, but at the same time, is that the best way to get people to give their best broadly? Maybe not, right? Maybe that wasn't the best way to do it, even if again, from a permit standpoint, that's where they ended up. But it seems to me like the four princess thing just got set ablaze. Right now, I can't defend it. Yeah, I can't. Whether they make it back is up to them, bro. And it's only

look the narrative. Like I said, completely changes if tank comes back and let's say knocks out Lamar Rhodes viciously. You're like, oh shit that you know, it was a blip on the radar. Ryan's had a lot of blips. I'm no longer going to believe that he's going in the right direction until he's going to show us in the ring. But Haney on the flip side, Luke obviously a completely dominant win over Ramirez. But here's my question to you, and both are bad.

Did Haney sabotage this fight under the premise of I've already signed the contract for the Garcia rematch, so why am I going to risk anything bad happening? And oh, by the way, F you to boxing, to Ryan Garcia for me getting screwed with what happened last year and all this bad PR. I'm not going to entertain you. I'm going to get the win and then get that rematch or worse, worse even was this Haney having all the skeletons and ghosts from the Garcia fight still in the front of his mind and him maybe being a broken fighter moving forward. It seemed to me that the ghosts of April 20th 2024 were haunting them both. Different reasons but they were haunting them both. Now you all again I'm gonna say it maybe

in another fight Haney looks better you're like oh all right well maybe the last one wasn't you know the end all be all. We have to keep that in mind and we will. And to the point you raised, this was a guy whose character has been assassinated for the last year for the crime of fighting a guy who plausibly took performance enhancing drugs and plausibly missed weight on purpose. I mean, can you fucking believe the upside down was just to be this is like Ryan Garcia's like

moment in time last year was like the ultimate moment of vice signaling, right? And no one likes a virtue signaler. But I got to tell you if the choices between that and a vice signaler, I'll take the virtue one every single time. And you see the consequences this upside down moral, you know, decay that gets shown where the guy who was clearly the victim in this case, or at least, again, as a plausible claim to be the victim was treated as some kind of, you know, nasty, sore loser. And I, that's not even to say that I endorsed the

lawsuit, it's just to say, did we have to beat him up over it? I don't know. So all of that BC was that still circulating in this guy's mind. I just feel like the most logical explanation is ring rust and he was saving himself for the Garcia fight down the road. But to the point you raise BC, did he pump any life into that? If anything, they let the air out of the balloon on that one. I mean, like obviously they could do this in Saudi anytime They want who cares if there's a crowd like but these are fights that belong in arenas with real boxing fans

And I think that's also part of the larger bigger picture look, you know Friday didn't have any boxing fans really it was like billionaires and influencers and elite friends and Saturday I did see that small swath a couple thousand it seemed of Canelo friends and Saturday I did see that small swath a couple thousand it seemed of Canelo fans Pro Mexico that were there and they did kind of make a small impact in that tiny arena but there's no atmosphere at those fights to the point that they've now moved even the big fights to that small 66,000 foot so there's 6,000 seat arena so yeah in hindsight we could say damn turkey you should have done that a Yankee Stadium or MSG or whatever

But it needs to be in front of fans that matters that atmosphere of Brooklyn last year was a big part of why that fight was So wild and crazy like the whole week was it was wild. I Think you got to pump some life into this first. It's dead. It feels dead. Let's show that video of Ryan in the Everybody had to go to the ambulance afterwards to be checked on these fights. And a lot of people are dunking on the emotions he show and I'm never going to do that because these guys are competitors. But Luke, you can take away almost nothing positive from the Ryan Garcia experience on Friday night. I hope he doesn't fly off the deep end. But to not think any more of the steroid connection, you can't, you know, we can't be naive. How can you talk about April of 2024 now without it? Yeah. Not possible.

And damn, I mean, he just looked like a broken fighter. Let's hear from Rolly who took an unnecessary shot at him, but let's give Rolly the victory lap he deserves. He is a tremendous fighter. He is a tremendous fighter, the warning people, he cannot be, happens to be myself, Javonta Davis and depression. All right, all right.

We do a mental health joke. Why did he steal the windshield off of his own car to put it on his face? I don't know the answer to that. Dude, he was so humble afterwards. He didn't really like dunking anybody. Dude, it's like we're talking about guys who suffered losses and like, you know what it means. And we have to be honest, we wrote off Roley. I know I did. I wrote off. But like truly when you've got

guys with some ability, it's all how they take it unless they take a really, really, really, really bad beating. But in general, in general, it is how they take it. Roley took it as a way to get better. It changed him. I think, for the better. We shall see what it does for Ryan or Bo Nicol or whoever. Well, let's bring in an expert, future Hall of Famer Nonito Donair, was the first boxer ever to sign up for 24-7 volunteer testing with Vada.

Here's his take on Osterine and what happened to Ryan Garcia. Talk about Garcia's performance last night and people wondering, you know, off the Osterine, is that why he wasn't what he was a year ago? And what do you make of it, Donito? That's right. Do I say this like Chappelle?

Osterine is a hell of a drug. Now you know, maybe that could be a part of it. I mean, I've never done it, but it showed the difference of the fight but I think the difference too was that Haney and and and Roley are two different fighters. Roley's very awkward but he has that what they call uh retarded power that's what they say quote unquote. Retard strength. Retard strength whatever you know you know one of those. And you love Rowley in your sandals. Right? So, so he just cracks.

That's the thing is that when he dropped Ryan, he dropped him and made him think otherwise. With Devon, Devon wasn't that kind of fighter. And so it was more of Ryan to feel comfortable to throw the punch with the punch. But with rolling, he didn't want to play that game. I mean, he got one sheet. I mean, outside of the comments there from Neato, which were, here we are getting combat sports. We got to get no need to donair and Craig Jones together to talk about what they think makes success in athletics. Yeah. Uh, it's wild. Uh, I mean, but like, look, Osterling was a factor, but so was the second Ryan got dropped.

He didn't know how to adjust. He didn't know, he didn't know what to do. That was a problem. We didn't have that problem in April. Now he also didn't get dropped, but last April, he just was a man possessed. I hope he can find that eye of the tiger again, without falling off the deep end. Um, Luke, we're, I'm going to skip the Shannon Briggs and Ryan Garcia to hell, but let's close here on our topics before we get into some she at with Canelo Alvarez, he went from the snoozer with William school, really one of the worst fights of all time to moments later, getting pushed into a face off

with Terrence bud Crawford and here we are. So he went from the lowest punches attempted by a single fighter and a total fight in 12 round history. He also said, I hate fighting these type of fighters in the post. Although big red, uh, David Benavides is available. I mean, he ain't going nowhere. I mean, come on, don't be a bitch, but okay, Luke, here's

the real question. Um, don't be a bitch. But OK, Luke, here's the real question. Then they announced the fight. Turkey would subsequently announce, by the way, that it will be Dana White TKO. And although they don't have a TV home secured, everybody is pointing this toward Netflix. They also announced it for a Friday night, September 12th, the night before UFC Guadalajara, the Noche celebration.

So it's a monstrous TKO weekend with some journalists, by the way, saying they don't think that Guadalajara arena will be ready. And this could end up in Las Vegas, by the way. But Luke, the larger question here is how much of the blame for Saturday's shipwreck deserves to fall on Canelo. And very specifically, what does Canelo's performance here say about his chances against Terrence Crawford and whether this changes at all as we point to September? It's not like I watched the fight between Terrence Crawford and Israel Madrimov. And I thought, Oh, wow.

Terrence is going to run over him. But I at least thought, okay, this is, you know, he got the win and he got it off craft and Madrimoff made some interesting choices, but whatever. And then you watch what Canelo has turned into, and it's like, how can you not pick Crawford? Oh, he's coming up three weight classes. Yeah, against this version.

The balls on Canelo to say, I don't like it when a guy runs the whole time. And you've been assiduously avoiding David Benavidez is mind blowing to me, because trust me, you wouldn't have to run or worry about whether or run after I should say or worry about whether or not your opponent is going gonna be there for you to hit if you wanted to fight David Benavides. Problem freaking solved. BC, how many, it used to be like, oh, if you could go the distance with Canelo,

that would be impressive, you know? But he was beating the Angulos of the world from pillar to post, they couldn't make it out of it, or the Yabni Yildirams or whoever and now he can't even polish those guys off now he can't even slow them down and yes did it make Canelo's job harder when a guy doesn't want to engage that much even though you know there was at least you know or arithmetically he was maybe even throwing more than Canelo sure it makes it a little bit difficult but it

also appears to me BC we should just say it out loud. Again, I'm so glad we got to cover Canelo when he was chasing down Caleb Plant in the 11th round in Las Vegas to crown himself as the king of boxing. And certainly that 168 division, that was thrilling, right? That was just a highlight really of one of my combat sports covering moments, certainly inside of boxing. But since then it's just been something different. He is completely phoning it in.

Dude, he's phoning it in. You know what the old Canelo would have done there? Cause he did it against Iris Lindy Lara in a similar fight. He chased him down and made sure that, even though to this day I scored that fight for Lara, a lot of people did. But if you did, you did it by one round. It was that close.

But he put in the effort to chase him down. He was a younger man, but this one He almost punted like like I'm gonna do He punted on Doing this in front of his fans. He punted on Trying to maximize this opportunity for you know people's, which, you know, it's not his job. But when the guy is like that clearly much, like as bad as Canelo looks like school looked like infinitely worse. You know, it's just like every part of it is not trying because he's got this attitude like I'm

Canelo and I don't have to anymore. Well, Canelo, if you don't care, why the fuck should we? That's the question that I just have no other answer for. And the worst part about turkey throwing him on Cinco de Mayo Even though I know they tried to line up the time so that it was prime time in Mexico in the US You know or the prime time expected time for a fight, you know But still it's like it almost felt like he only has Canelo as a flex to keep Jake Paul You know at at arms length and I'm not saying I ever would have been like insanely excited for a Jake Paul Canelo as a flex to keep Jake Paul, you know, at, at, at arm's length. And I'm not saying I ever would have been like insanely excited for a Jake Paul Canelo fight, but to see cop shout to cop, but to see

cop, uh, you know, two weeks before the fight, at least this isn't, at least we don't have to watch, you know, Jake versus Canelo. It's like, dude, I would take Jake versus Canelo one and two in the same night. Canelo school, the way that they acted, the whole blah, blah, you know, affair of it. There was nobody there. There was nobody there. Even though I understand the strategic selection of Canelo and that they need to set up the launch of TKO. And I'm not saying I'm not going to care about this fight. Like it's an interesting fight. It had more fuel to it, of course, two years ago when Bud beat Spence, but it's not like Bud's been losing or Canelo's been losing. But I think it does change the way we look at it, Luke, because the early offshore odds at the moment have Canelo minus 230, Crawford plus 176. And there's always been a strong vocal minority that Crawford could do this. That's why the fight's happening.

He's willing to do it, and he's one of the rare guys that we believe could do it. This is like the lowest Canelo's stock has been in a long time. Is that going to be a negative at all, or do you think this fight will still ultimately deliver what Turkey, TKO, and maybe even Netflix will be trying to do on September 12th. I think this fight will deliver spectacle. I, uh, whether it delivers a good fight remains to be seen. I'm I'll be cautiously optimistic about it. It's really hard to say Canelo appears to be washed basically at this point,

although, you know, again, are you washed if you're, if you're phoning it in, you know, I mean, I realize I'm just playing with metaphors here, BC. What I'm saying is it's hard to know like how much better he could be if he cared and really it's up to Crawford to make him care, which I think he'll try, but it's just hard to know exactly what will happen. But I do think from a spectacle standpoint, especially if it ends up on Netflix, it's going to deliver big at a Legion Stadium the whole nine yards. It's going to be a big, big event and that's going to be good for boxing for no small reason that a big fight taking place on US soil is something that has been missing from this country for a little while now. But you know, in terms of what we're going to get with the fight, it's a bit of a wild card,

is it not? Crawford looked decent, maybe even good against Madrimoff, but not like exceptional. And that's still another weight class to go up or two at that point, right? And then you've got Canelo who has done, you know, has had, I mean, you know, one of the best Mexican boxers ever, a hall of Famer, but it's on the side of his career where he just doesn't seem to give a fuck anymore. You know, I don't, I don't know what that leads to. Think about it.

Like the Charlo fight, there was, there was no pushback. The Mongia fight had four rounds where like he had to be a little bit careful. while think about it like the charlo fight there was there was no pushback the mongia fight had four rounds where like he had to be a little bit careful was a little bit physical and then he dominated the brawling a fight he absolutely dominated so it's like he also hasn't been pushed back in a while obviously I think he's better than what he showed on Saturday if it was a much bigger fight you're going to get the best of what's left of canal and I still think a lot is left, but this is,

this has just been a sad walk for him in my opinion, even though there's part of it that he deserves the right to take these type of victory laps. He's keeping these belts hostage. Now he's playing with the shameless other team when it's most, you know, beneficial to him. I want to see the Crawford fight. I hope it works, but I don't know.

There's just something about this that I don't like the full taste of it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just, I mean, there's a lot of ways this fight can be very interesting and very fun, but it's hard to not be anything but sour on Canelo at the moment. And again, I hate saying that because dude, I don't want to, do you ever want to be in a spot where you're where you're a Canelo hater know the dudes do been great to watch and cover. He's been the bet Luke he's been the tits. But I've had great times in years I've had Canelo in studio before like I really appreciate that but like the reasons we were

excited about him at that time and respected what he was doing. None of that applies anymore. Like, you know, it's just, we're not talking about the same kind of competitor, at least not this stage anyway. It's disappointing is I'm being, I'm being euphemistic when I say that. It's disappointing. It did feel like a desperate pivot after that school fight ended to get Crawford right in the ring and Long Island look for the final time. Can we show this face off?

People were marveling at how tall and all already bigger Crawford looks, but obviously Crawford's not, you know, in, in, in a real camp right now. I'm sure he's preparing and bulking up for this. Now he's saying, by the way, publicly Crawford that he would not go back to 54. Now he's saying he has two fights left of his career and that will be it. It makes sense, Luke, cause that means he should commit to putting on the right amount of muscle that he'll need. But yeah, I think you're going to see a lot of people picking him.

It's going to be interesting coming up. Count me down or put mark me down right now. BC Crawford by do I dare say stoppage? No, I just hope it's not. But I hope he doesn't take the school game plan of how to avoid canal. I mean, canal has always had problems with movers, people with quick feet. Lara and Trout gave him tough fights. Danny Jacobs gave him a tough fight, you know. But this is a next level, I think, the quickness gap. It'll be insane. So we'll see. Wow.

Listen, at least he'll have to try. At least he'll have to try. Yeah, I just want good things for the box, Luke. You know, that's what I want. Not a great weekend, huh? No. And thank you again to Cardenas from San Antonio with the rat tail. Yeah, I just want good things for the box, Luke. You know, that's what I want. I want a great weekend, huh? No. And thank you again to Cardenas from San Antonio with the rat tail. Just he cut it before the fight, but he showed us more dash driver, huh? Door dash driver. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, that's one of my people right there.

And then, you know, he was fun to cover on show box when I called this fight. He scored a knockout win in his hometown and came from behind to do it. So he's got balls. I hope he gets a fight off of this cuz that was. I think he made a lot of friends, not just because he turned into spirited performance but because it was like such a palate cleanser. Yes. To get him to do that. And then he took to Twitter, I think after the fight was like not bad for

a door dash driver. I was like, tell him, tell him son, let him know what's hard. What he wrote, a Lyft drivers, same day. And I liked, let him know what's what he run a lift drivers. Same day. And I liked Rafael Espinosa and the co-main there Luke. That's the guy. Remember that upset? Um, was it, was it, uh, the, the Olympian, the Cuban Olympian, that top rank had Andy Cruz. No, am I thinking Robussy Ramirez or no? Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. He upset him and then he's been on like a nice little run and he had another Good one on Saturday. Look now he's in the Inouye discussion I know in a way is probably gonna close the year with Akhmed Aliyev

And then we'd all love to see him against Junto Nakatani if he comes up from 118 But there's fights at 26 whether it be ball whether it be, you know The idea now Shu Shu wants him and so does Rafael Espinosa also Espinosa is long that'd be an interesting fight against Inouye. A bunch of good fights. Also there was video of Brandon Moreno, UFC Flyway Brandon Moreno visiting Espinosa in his locker room ahead of time. Oh shit. Yeah, I mean we're embracing and everyone was dapping everybody up. It was a moment I was like, dude, this is what we dreamed of.

Yeah, this is MMA, you know, just being so big everywhere that now like in Mexico, MMA fighters and boxers love each other. Like I love Marina. What a great guy. Oh, look, we got to skip DMS from dogs because we went so hard in the paint on our five topics. Rightfully so. We don't get weekends like this normally, but don't forget that morning. You're not going to kick us out of the studio.

I mean, well, you look, if you want to hit it, I'll hit it. I think we had a, I think we should hit it. I'm okay with it. Let's fucking do it. Pass the duty to the left side. Uh, this one is a chance every Sunday night at morning combat at Instagram and the X you get your questions asked and apparently you're going to get them answered too.

This is DMs from dogs. Oh, okay. Maybe I should. I now regret to go. Okay, I now regret doing it. Maybe I should have played that video of Shannon Briggs and Ryan Garcia to hell. I didn't see it. What's the gist of it?

What does he say? Maybe I mean, maybe we should just play it at this point. Just just play along and look if you've got play that. Your boy. What's his name um Garcia retire retire worst fighter ever Garcia the worst fighter in boxing history cuz he shagged everybody with a jab and a check hook you know saying he got good fundamentals like some shit is decent gotta keep his hands up and all that but he ain't no fighter Yo, all that drama should he be doing all that racist shit he be doing and then to

To come back and fight like that You lost to Roley Roley not even a Yo, man Boxing is crazy Boxing is crazy right now. That's if those are superstars then what? If that's what we got to man listen champ I was right there ringside for all the fights. I watched them all and I was I was like damn you know what I'm saying? Horrible champ. They should all retire.

Deadass. Wow. Wow. I mean, look, it does feel like a like a real hangover right now from the weekend. Like Garcia had it coming. I don't feel even the slightest degree of sympathy for him. Yeah. This sport needs to bounce back quick, but I'm a little nervous about some some some

hands in this game But look, let's hear from our fans. This is Z underscore Z period FRM period ESP he says the San Hagan have a better shot against mirab or Or O'Malley Luke, they're gonna see that rematch coming up in Newark. Who does he have a better shot at beating? I Think he has a more simplified task. That's not to say an easier time.

It's just more Rob. It's like, if you can't beat the wrestling, it's kind of over for you. You know? Yeah. Yeah. He's going to ruin your night. Yeah. He'll ruin your night.

But it feels like with O'Malley, he could strike with them and also, you know, mix up the grappling, just kind of, you know, top bottom, top bottom, top bottom, and that could, you know, that makes it a harder task in terms of the diversity, but. The answer's on Mallory, Luke. Tell me why. Well, I mean, you just eloquently laid it out and you had another point at the end, Luke,

that I pulled from you. I'm sorry, I'd love if you land that plane, Sully. But ultimately, Luke, I just think that Morab's physicality would be a problem for him over 25 minutes. It would take too much of his gas tank away from him. It would be a burden where I think the idea of playing chess with O'Malley, and I'm not trying to act like O'Malley doesn't have chess skills and IQ and obviously athleticism, but I feel like Corey is gonna be able to open up parts

of his game that just wouldn't work against marab But will work against O'Malley in a in a striking duel, you know a low output But but smart kind of tense striking duel But I think Corey's thinking man now I'll win that battle and I got the advantages on the ground. So You know, I'm thinking long out look what would be the odds right now O'Malley stand Higgins right right freaking now set the MK odds. O'Malley, Sandhagen I'm going Sandhagen minus 175 O'Malley plus 150. Exactly there it is there it is we need to open our own book we can sell shit coin. One last thing what might be interesting is there's so many times you saw Corey invert in this fight either backside 50 50 or other stuff. One kind of interesting thing is like maybe they invite not invite to take

down, but rather than just trying to be like, Oh, we've got to fight the take down, fight the take down from a Rob. Maybe it's like, all right, fight the take down, but if it doesn't work. Leg entanglement and see what you can do with that. And I wonder, I wonder what that might do. It's very interesting. Uh, Luke, before we hit the second question, did you see that for UFC 315,

because it's in Canada and Montreal, Joe Rogan is out. He said it will never qualify in Canada. He's gonna live up to it. Dom Crews taking the chair. I'm like, hell yeah. Yeah, I would have preferred, nah, I'll take Crews. I'll take Crews.

Dude, I'm telling you that the best trio, it's like what I say about peanut butter and cheese, you can't knock it until you try it. The best trio on pay per views. She's it's try it. Just try it. Try it. It'll change your life. Is bro.

Did you find that out in prison? How the fuck did you come to that? No, I found that out in a factory town when I was a kid. Oh, but Luke, let me tell you that the Anik DC Cruz trio in reality, folks, you need to realize this is the best combo. It is. It's the best trio. All right. I've had MREs when I was in the military that had cheese and peanut butter in them. Yeah. You know, I've eaten some, I've eaten some nub ass ways, but I never mixed them, dude. Okay. Well, I mean, I think you're going to find out, you know, Luke, just like you found out about BVLs, you went, you went, you know, you're like, I gotta, yeah.

Here it is. There it is. Hey, this one's from XAL underscore nine thousand nine. Is it just me or is Paul Felder and Laura Senko the best comment commentary combination? DC and Rogan are great, he says in the OMG moments, but the former flow so much better and give much greater insight. Yeah. That's an all star duo there. I'd still say that's my number two team behind DC and Cruz as a analyst pair. It's those two and less biz ping is more. Yeah. All right. Okay. Thank you. He does tend to talk a lot. You know, he does. Thank you. He does.

He does tend to talk a lot. You know, he does. There you go. There you go. It happens a lot. Our next question comes from poorly painted ponies. If Bilal defeats JDM and moves up to middleweight, so Islam can fight for the vacant belt,

is Islam versus Brady the closest fight we can get to test a pound-for-pound athlete versus a gorilla? This is not a good question. Um, This is not a good question. Yes, I mean this is a silly question. But I'll say this. We haven't really talked about it, but I guess we will on Wednesday. The possibility of Islam going to 70 is to me, like everyone's like, Ilya Islam, and it's like, okay, don't get me wrong. Who the hell doesn't wanna see that fight, right?

But I gotta tell you that like, if Islam can extend his career a little bit by having some new life at 170, I'm here for it, dude. I'm here for it. I am here for it too. I mean, him against everyone in that top group of like, people that aren't washed yet would be wonderful.

You know? There's lots of new blood at 170. Yeah, yeah, indeed right there. Let's hear it from Magan Donny. Magan Danny says following UFC Des Moines, undefeated fighters are now 13 and 22 in

the UFC in 2025. Is this a reflection of tougher matchmaking or guys not being that good and only having inflated records I Didn't feel dude Bo nickel was what seven and oh heading into this fight That's not an inflated record an inflated record is if you're like 18, you know, and you fought a bunch of fucking bums Like you want it you want to say nickel shouldn't have been on 300 main card. Yeah, you can make yeah fine

But that's not an inflated record. Exactly. I don't know, BC, tougher matchmaking, maybe. Could just be coincidence. You catch elves in this game and very few go like on a six fight, seven fight win streak to open their UFC career, you know? Yeah, yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. All right. I mean, only one percent make good money in the U.S.C.

Look, it's the one percent rule, you know. This final one comes from probably Brian, but he spells it with it. Why, Luke? And since I'm an eye guy, I don't I don't know if I have found that. I think people that spell their names with eyes are better than the wise. That's my personal opinion. Thank you for signing with me you for siding with me. This man asks, what is the best pizza place in New York and Connecticut?

Okay, so let me hazard a guest BC and you can fact check me. How's that sound? Yes, that sounds great. All right. I'm not, I don't have love or hate for Dave Portnoy. I don't know much about him. We met him one time at the, what fight was that?

It was a Jake Paul something. That was Cleveland and he couldn't have wanted to sit with us less. Less, but he wasn't shitty to us. He wasn't shitty, but I saw a video. Big Cat was kind, was it Big Cat? Big Cat was nice, Big Cat was super friendly, yes. No, he wasn't, he was like,

can you back up these cameras? Remember the dollars? Oh, he was friendly to me afterwards. Oh really, okay, all right. Yeah. I'll give him. Okay, he actually followed me on Twitter after that. So nice. All right. And PFT commenter is a and then Robbie Fox, there's more barstool guys I definitely like. I don't know anything about him

enough to know. I mean, I know there's been like allegations about I'm just pointing out this for pizza. The guy like has tried a million places and he was like, I've been to pizza in Italy. I've done pizza in New York and LA and he said New Haven Connecticut by far it can't be touched like it's not just a clear winner it's a clear winner by a considerable distance okay so I have to believe he's right now on New York City may I offer a spot that I feel like is good I when I lived in New York my favorite spot at the time was Bleecker

Street pizza which is pretty good but not the best anymore but I when I lived in New York, my favorite spot at the time was bleaker Street pizza, which is pretty good, but not the best anymore. But I when I went back BC, it was a viral place. Mama twos. Have you been there? What's it called? Mama twos? No, I haven't. I haven't. Holy fucking shit, bro. Have you seen that white guy who puts on the hat? It says Yes Chef on it. And he tries viral food everywhere everywhere I don't recall him I'm more of like a boomer you seen this guy no I don't know all right so yeah he wears a hat and every everywhere he goes it just says yes chef it's a white guy

he went to Mama Tews and then I'm saying the name wrong but I believe that's right he went there and I was like all right right, when I took to key, I had to go for that. It was it's fucking insane. Like, and they make different styles there. Everything was like, perfectly made. They make their own bread there. The pizza place has to make their own bread. I feel like that's like a requirement. So let me look this up and make sure I got the name right. But mama, New York City has some great I've got a lot of shitty pizza, but they got some great, great, great, great, great.

Yeah. I think if you're going classic New Haven in the in the typical players there, I'm a Sally's guy at the highest end. I probably. Yeah, keep going. I prefer bar bars, probably my favorite. But as you've heard me say, I'm not, even though New Haven style pizza, the Sicilian a beats, it's great. It's not just, it's not my preferred style.

So I can give you a million different mom and pop Greek places that'll blow you right in the a-hole Luke, but not everybody likes that sensation. So it's a, yeah. It's mama's too, not mama too, it's mama's too. Check that out if you of your own New York. Yeah. Yeah. There we go.

Mama. Uh, that's the DMS of the week. Thank you for playing. Thank you, Luke, for accepting. And now we have one more thing. Now look, it's hard to do this when we're out of the studio, cause that means I can't rely on sound because we can't talk over the videos without it being too loud.

So I try to program these remote episodes differently, but let's see if I can get at least a B plus here, Luke. This is the viral clips of the week. There's a lot of shit, have you seen it? ["Rise and Take Off"] Luke, Risen took over Japan on, uh, over the weekend and had a big MMA and UFC, uh, influence there. We got Alex Pereira, uh, dressing the crowd.

We got Mark Coleman banging the drums on stage and we got Yuri Prohotska and a damn diaper. Luke, your thoughts. God bless this man. God, I am so, dude, if you don't have a jacked weirdo in MMA, you don't know what you're missing. Like, first of all, I love that Yuri, like, fixed his style a little bit,

so now he's like, as, like, I would argue as good as he's ever been and probably the best he's ever been, but he didn't let go of his weirdness. He kept it. That is exactly what we wanted. We wanted to keep the weirdo just tighten up the defense. We have reached peak. I'm here for it. You know, they have that saying, keep Austin weird. That's right. You know, now all the comedians are moving there. Luke, would you ever move to Austin? I'd rather get shot in the face with liquid Ebola than.

Oh, wow. Okay. All right. Here you go. Also, Luke, Ryan Bader was there. He announced a signing with Ryzen and then Saki Kabara or as Luke would say, what'd you call him? Shitcake Kabara. That time I was like, well, that was aggressive. Look, he said, Darth Bader would face the winner of the heavyweight grand prix on New Year's Eve. Your thoughts. He would face who? The winner of the rise in heavyweight grand prix. Oh, and the fight would take place on New Year's. I'll tell you what, Ryan Bader has managed to have a pretty long career and a pretty good one. I don't know if I have super interest in that fight,

but anything that keeps rising on good terms and is good for the fighters. I'm here for, okay. Are you here for big fails on the MLB diamond? Luke, let's go to your, here's your Washington nationals during a little bit of a rain scare. Uh, Oh no, there's a Piper down. Luke. Oh boy.

This is. He just roll them up. Just roll them up. Oh Yeah, that's assault brother. Wow. Okay. All right Yeah, each Man fuck the Mets. How about that? No, if your team Luke the fake exposes over there, whatever the fuck the Mets They took our team from us and then gave it back to us later. Y'all can eat shit Yeah, so can people who call the team us. That's incredible where I come from, Luke. Wow.

Let's go to the Marlins game. Check out this first baseman. They call this the cup check. Apparently Luke, there's a nice grounded short. Here's the throw. Here's the ball. Let's see. Oh yeah, buddy.

Oh boy. Does he know you're supposed to catch that with the glove? Yeah. He tried to catch it with his machine, apparently Luke straight, you know, just straight up. Like, yeah, all right. Clam trap. West Virginia baseball time, Luke, here's their celebration in the outfield, your thoughts?

The Mountaineers. Okay, that camera was like, let's cut away. So they're just banging in the locker room, right? Possibly. All right. Time for MMA fighters in the wild. Here's Merab climbing a mountain and then doing dangerous cliff. I mean, Merab buddy. Okay. This look, no net, no strings attached.

Oh my fucking God. Dude, O'Malley. Oh my fucking God. Dude, O'Malley almost became champion right there. Okay. Remember how I said, keep Yuri weird? Yeah. We got to make Marab less weird. It's not working.

Do you think like shop, he needs a handler, Luke or what? Okay. All right. All right. Skits and bits. All right. Hey, P E D check time, Luke. I could show you a picture of Devin Haney who looked spectacular on the scales

the other day before throwing a single punch. You know, MMA lawyer Ernie McCracken, Eric McGracken. Yes. Look, yeah, this is not this cannot be natural. My man, my man is either working hard or he, he and Ryan Garcia know a lot about Ostery together. You know what I'm saying? I mean, he might've P 90 X that shit into like, wow. All right.

I'll pay. I mean, here's the thing. It's like, let me ask you a question though. Right. So let's just think about this for a second. If the choice is to have a lawyer who's kind of fat or like kind of jacked Yeah, I'm taking the kind of jacked one right fighter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Shout out to ripped McGraken over there Yeah

Tech talk time look you love tech talk you love Reading the expert reviews and trying to figure out what's the best quality microphone at the best price you do that all the time Let's watch on I want to see if you could tell the difference between this $400 Shure SM7B microphone or this $10 Amazon Prime microphone. My body. By the way, this is the Shure SM7B right here. So I don't know which By the way, this is the sure SM7B right here. So, I don't know which one it was but it's the better. Luke used

to text me uh verbal recordings of bars. I haven't saved. Alright. Hold on. No. Hang on. I got one. I got one. Ready? Let's see. I don't know which one it is. Let's see. You record your whole family, Luke? Hang on. Oh God, that was gnarly. Okay, all right.

Hey, moving on now, Luke. I'm 45 years old. Well, Luke, tell me if you've ever tried this or would you try this? Okay. Yup. Uh, I mean, it's, it's cost effective. Oh, okay. Kill them all. Kill. You're Luke. Your fight of the week comes from this bad mitten game. Watch this. Oh, dude. They're fucking throwing hands in this game. Again, after it. Look at that. Yeah. Yeah. One. Is that Devin Haney and and Rosie Ramirez? Oh, how dare you? Wow. That is too soon.

Yeah. They just threw some shit. Look at this. This is, this is actually better than Devin Haney versus Jose Ramirez. I hope Jay gets, gets, I hope Jay Aaron gets laid out at like a yo dude. Yeah. That's what, what do we know what precipitated that? No, but it was great. Just pure, hopefully Austrian Luke to be fair. Let's go to, you ever see someone rage out at the pool table?

Oh, yeah. All right, that's that's something right there. I mean, if you're that bad at pool, can you be that surprised that you were that bad at pool? I mean, it seems staged to me. Uh Luke, it's time to cleanse the palette

with a little bit of rate that tat. We need a one to ten score ten being the best. First, let's talk about former champ, Brandon Moreno getting a new chest tat. That is a 10 out of 10. That is absolutely first rate tattooing. Look at the color saturation. Look at the line work. Look at how it shines in certain parts that's reflected back at you. The shading that is that is just about as good as tattooing gets.

Luke, that tattoo artist definitely owns at least seven bongs in his house. Definitely. Yeah. If you're I, the best tattoos that I've ever gotten all happened from dudes who you would not classify as normal. And that's how it should be. That is their unbelievable artists. The art is incredible.

Uh, let's go to super Mario back tat time. Luke, we need one to ten. Rate this tat. Three. Whoa. Really? Yeah. This is not that great. Like, it's the the look at look at the difference in the saturation of color between this and Brandon Moreno's like. I think this looks decent like a seven and a half, right? No, five at best. Wow. And also the guy wearing it is an obvious loser

or maybe it's a woman, either way. I think it's a lady, Luke. All right, well, Luke, let's see this guy's tat. I've got the word MILF tattooed under my eye. Even when I'm crying, the MILFs still get wet. I thought that was quite smart. I Mean he has a point Luke, but that's a zero point. That's the kind of guy that Now you know what? I'm gonna let it go. Okay. Well Luke rate this final tap one to ten, please

I'm not going to say that. I say what it's nice to see Reggie Jackson, huh? That's what I'm talking about for life. Luke for life on that on that cat's butthole over his belly that you know that motherfucker is going to die via Darwin Award at some point soon

probably but it's great. Uh Luke, there was a weird moment on a Shannon Sharp podcast the other day that did not involve females. Luckily, Luke, but listen to this. I only heard from two teams, guess what the two teams they called me on to say, what's your phone number? Where you gonna be? Who that?

Shut the fuck up. Next door. Cincinnati Bengals was one. Did you see Joe Johnson's face dude? He was like, maybe it was caused by a woman. Look, who knows? But Shannon Sharp going through some turmoil these days. Yeah.

Once again, it's like, I don't understand why these guys who have loads of money keep working. No need for it. Just fucking stay home. Look, let's go to the soccer pitch. See if we can induct this referee into the, uh, combat hall of fame. Watch him intercept a fan. Oh, some sweet chin music from a bro with the studs up too.

Right. Yeah. Oh, he's like, you want some too bitch? Oh shit. This guy is about about it. You know, from now on, that's Chewbacca. That's what we're going to call him. Yeah. He was ready for action, son. Look, let's go to the amateur wrestling, Matt.

Here is your judo hip toss of the week. I mean, it's it's it's Greco, it looks like. All right. Yeah. A little elder abuse to sprinkle on top of that one. Let's go over to NASCAR, Luke. This man, they put 15 seconds of fame on him and he took his moment. Luke, watch this Steve Austin tribute. You know what? I'll accept it. I respect. I respect.

One more time on that. No, see, I mean, I can't look. You get one chance. You got I'll accept it. I respect it. One more time on that. No, see that. I mean, I kind of look, you get one chance. You got to go for it. Look at this. Boom. And then he just squeezes the end. The beers have koozies on them too.

Oh yeah. That's great stuff. That is buddy. If you've never done NASCAR tailgating, you've never done tailgating. I don't give a fuck what anybody tells you. Oh, look, when you were young before cell phones, did you ever back up an 18 wheeler to a river and take turns jumping in it? No.

Well, these people did watch this. This is buddy. This is just good. This is just good. Redneck fun right here. Yeah. But they're also very like inclusive and welcoming, Luke. Okay.

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Okay. That's that's not a good development in your life, by the way. Alright, we got two more for you. Luke, you sent me this one. Anything can happen on a New York City subway. Watch the far door in the background there. Yeah, she's just peeing. Oh, really?

I didn't even. Okay, that's uh. She was squatting the cop in a squat. You said there's her underwear. Oh my God. Okay. Yeah. It's you know what?

It's, uh, and she had the decency to stand between the cars. BC. That's how you know she cared. Okay. Uh, I'm saying, look, you ever wonder if you ever, this is our final video. If you're ever in panic, whether you would really let out one of those deep passionate screams, like what it would sound like.

Ah! It was a guy with paper towels in lotion in his pants down, Luke. All right. That's all the shit I got for this week. Thank you for playing. All right. There you go. There you go. Oh, wow. What a show, right? What a week. Then what a two and a half hours we gave him two and a half hours. We just yeah, we put the fist in and we turned it locked it up. Hey, reminder folks, morning combat at gmail.com. That's how you reach the show

only if you reach out to Mikey in a clean way, all right? Also, Wednesday. Luke, tell them what's going on at 11 a.m. this Wednesday. UFC 315 is this coming weekend, so to get you ready for it this Wednesday in studio, live in New York City, yours truly, that gentleman right there, the Brian Campbell experience and Chuck Mendenhall, Anakin Skywalker himself. We're all going to be there having some Cuervo, having some fight talk, getting you ready for the big pay-per-view should be a grand old time. It will be fantastic. Uh, long Island Luke, thank you for your service today.

You will not get paid overtime, although, all right. It's all right, it was worth it. It was a good time. Anything you wanna tell the people, probably not. I mean, I'll have my bet breakdown out today. You guys know the drill. Tune in Saturday, watch along the whole thing, yeah. He'll probably rip a bong or two.

Luke Thomas, would you like to tell the people one more thing, anything? I'd love you. Thanks for tuning in today, we appreciate it. Join us on Wednesday. Hey, that's well said. From Luke Thomas, this is I love you. Thanks for tuning in today. We appreciate it. Join us on Wednesday. Hey, that's well said from Luke Thomas. This is your boy BC. Follow us below, but also folks, follow your dreams. You get knocked down, you get back up. That's how it works. We're out of here.