MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC Fight Night: Blanchfield vs. Barber Preview, Boxing Roundup, UFC Returning to ESPN?

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

Luke Thomas, Brian Campbell and the Morning Kombat crew are back on a Friday to preview this weekend's UFC Fight Night featuring Erin Blanchfield vs. Maycee Barber. The fellas go through the latest boxing headlines including PBC previews of Caleb Plant vs. Armando Resendiz and Jermall Charlo vs. Thomas Lamanna. Plus, Teofimo Lopez going after Turki Alalshikh in a social media outburst costs him. What do LT and BC make of the latest antics from Lopez? And the UFC might make a return to ESPN. Will it go over well with the fanbase? Happy Friday Donks!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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morning. Get fired up. I am not being held hostage. There's no lotion or baskets and this is morning combat. Welcome on in Friday, May 30th, 2000 and 25. I did forget my road microphone. So, is this going to be an issue? That's up for you to decide. My

name is Brian Campbell, that BBC with so much of that BDE, right? Just dripping from my head like, uh, like, like, uh, remember that stuff that blinded Gervonta in that fight right against Rhodes? That's what I'm talking about. My partner on the other hand has already hit the porcelain three times this morning. His name is Luke Thomas of Washington DC. That is a real charge. I feel better now though. I'm ready to be here BC. How's Vegas? Interesting so far, you know what I mean? Excited to go to the weigh-in today ahead of tomorrow's PBC On Prime card with Caleb Plant, Jamal Charlo and others. You know, look one bad flight can eff you up. I had a bad flight, you know what I mean? Whatever. What was wrong with the flight?

You know those times when your first flight's late, then you have to sprint like three miles at the Charlotte airport to catch your connection, not getting time to eat or go to the bathroom. And by the time you land in Vegas, you haven't eaten like 10 hours and you feel like you're about to die. You know what I mean? But look, those are first world problems, Luke. And I'll gladly accept them as will you with your bowel issues. Part of my life, brother. Part of doing business here, you understand? Yeah, that's the thing. Business, yeah, disgusting. All right. Hey, we do have a fantastic show for you today as we set the stage for this weekend with UFC Fight Night from the damn

Apex. Okay, we'll speak broadly about it. You better believe it. It's a good ass saucy main event too. Also, we got boxing this weekend, a bunch of headlines to get into. We said we weren't going to talk about John Jones again. We can to bury it. We can't bury it. We have to just move on after this. It's really too much. I mean, look, you always cloned me for my ability to take connecting flights, but you know, I fly out of a small regional airport. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't have sympathy for you.

You prefer living this way. Well, I mean, I could drive 25 minutes of back roads to the Hartford Airport or like two and a half hours to New York. Like, what's your, pick your poison, right? Not living in Connecticut. That's the poison I'd pick. Did you see that link I sent you

from local Connecticut news that the state of CT has the second most fertile THC growing situations in this entire country? Is that why you're still buying stuff from the gas station? That's neither here nor there. But you can like our show by the way. You can also show that you like it by hitting like hitting subscribe Telling a friend this show isn't going away so you can talk to us about our numbers not growing you can talk to us about anything We're still here for the next two and a half years per Luke Thomas, and we're coming hard You better believe that follow our extended YouTube channels right there and say hi to the third member of our team Comes by way of an Australian man's

hanging like you know how's your hang down it's Luke Nocita of the main card minute these intros aren't getting any easier guys but hey how we doing yeah one step closer to getting your dad on the show by the way so we can talk about how you get how you arrived here a long out Luke Noc seat of the main card minute. Could you talk please about that fantastic Marcus can be autographed that you showed us in the pre-show? He tried to call me out pre-show saying I wasn't a real Knicks fan. He said I was only an Islanders guy.

So I had to pull this out. Marcus can be autographed. Happy birthday to me for my 10th birthday. All right. You want to talk? I also got a Carmelo Anthony autograph 1800 tequila bottle. I mean, I'm ready. I'm ready, baby.

Okay. That by the way, Hartford, Connecticut's Marcus Camby. So take that Luke. All right. Didn't he play for UMass? Yes, he did. He played for you.

I remember that Marcus Camby. There we go. Luke, people are usually interested. How are you? How's your life? How are your personals? Good. I'm going to the Shakira concert tomorrow with my wife and child. Yeah. You better wear sunglasses, dude. You better. You better do it.

It's at night. The problem is it's at night. So there's, you know, I'm limited in what I can do, but yeah, that should be fun. You think those hips might lie. I mean, she is getting up there in age, Luke. They still don't lie, right? She seems like she's in pretty good shape. I think this is like if you don't count Disney on ice or whatever this is Tukey's first concert. So hell yeah. All right Tukey. Luke what was your first concert again? Wasn't it like Collective Soul? Collective Soul in Valdosta, Georgia. A real sad beginning. My first concert was a fourth, July 3 fireworks free show Blood Sweat and Tears 1989. You know, with free fireworks, you can't you can't be bad. You

know, you can't be bad at all. Great stuff. Did you also call fights this week for XFC? So so that was pre recorded. The night that I had gone the last time that was, XFC has basically two kinds of programs. They have their regular ones, that's one I did in Iowa, and then at Killcliff they do one called their Young Guns, which is where, obviously, up and coming talent or it's not quite just up and coming talent, but you get the idea. So we just recorded them back to back. One aired live that night, and then when that was over, we had like a 10 minute break

and then went and recorded these ones. But if I can be honest, I thought that that was XFC Young Guns 7 and XFC Young Guns 8. I thought 8 was better than 7. And if I do say so myself, two names on that card really worth paying attention to, Takaya Suzuki who trains at a kill cliff when he's in the States,

but is actually under Yushin Okami, Thunder, you know, former UFC title challenger. Hell yeah. And, uh, and then after that, um, this kid, I'm telling you, man, I just would be very surprised if we don't, uh, the Japanese kids of flyweight, but this other kid, he's a, I think he's a welterweight, um, Chris Alvigras is he's something different. He looks like he might be one you really wanna keep an eye on. He's taking a bunch of fights on short notice and

he gets first round KOs and virtually all of them. He's interesting. So he's beyond what we would consider a future 12 and 12er. This guy might actually do some things. A future 12 and 12er. I mean, well, that just might like what happens for all of them anyway. But what I'm trying to say is he fought to I think Takashi Sato who fought below Mohammed deep into the third round who has two wins in UFC a bunch of other fights in UFC, like a big time experienced guy and Alvarez who I think this was his sixth

or seventh fight bulldozed him. Really, really interesting kid. Good stuff, good stuff. Love what they're doing over there with Big E and Luke Thomas at the XSC. Shout out to Jessica Aguilar, former Pomp for Pound ranked fighter as well. Yeah, she's there too, that's right. There you go. Long Island Luke, you're gonna be doing a show this weekend, right? For these two women in this main event?

This is a good fight, good ass fight, bro. Not only just the main event, the entire card, baby. We do it big for the Apex cards, card watch long too. Shout out to Lude Volt. Thank you so much for your service. Also, you can reach the show at morningcombat at gmail.com and at the end of today's broadcast, we will be hitting your fan submissions. You're dead wrong. So stay tuned for that. If you want to see Saul's wife in an MK shirt. All right. Probably, probably Luke. Okay, also get ready for a big merch announcement on Monday, get fired up, let's go.

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Let's get into it before we get into topic number one However, there's been enough news popping up in the last day and a half that we've got a few Topic zeros to get into and one of those is few topic zeros to get into. And one of those is Luke Thomas is finally ready to admit it. The John Jones fatigue is real. It's finally really real. Luke, I told you it was real. I told you we'll never talk about this guy again. We're going to talk about this guy very little, but he did appear on a podcast. He did do that same song and dance rhetoric of, I don't know if I'm coming back as his change.org petition to strip him has reached just epic purport. I mean that thing's going to be 200,000 before we know it, but this is out of

hand. This is ridiculous. Even Kevin, I only wrote a column about it. It didn't take any shots at the UFC by the way. Blamed it all on John. But you know, that's the thing. Here we are in this in 2025. Luke, I felt like Chael Sonnen got to the heart of the matter, as Don Henley would say, better than anybody else, surprisingly. Here's Uncle Chail not talking about what happened at the Luxor, but it's saying what we're all feeling here. Can we throw to that quote board? I can't even make money with these guys. On my YouTube channel, I'm not only audited, I am publicly audited. You can go and see what the people are, I am bombing. If I put John Jones and Tom Aspinall in a thumbnail, I bomb.

People are not caring about this fight. I have different guesses why. I hypothesize that the audience doesn't want to get too behind something they're not confident they can get. I think is part of it. But I'm just telling you, as time is going on, this fight, unlike other fights, is not getting bigger. It has gotten smaller.

People are carrying less and less. And I don't know if you sign a pin, you have a bout agreement, you cut it to sports center, you make the big announcement. I don't know if you can flip that. I'm just telling you, in my life, I've seen this happen many times, boxing, even some wrestling stuff, and it grew. This fight is going the other direction.

It doesn't overly matter if they book this fight or they bring Cerrelyn. It doesn't overly matter. You got about 12 to 14,000 tickets in any given venue. You're gonna sell about 12 to 14,000 tickets in any given venue. The pay-per- 12 to 14 thousand tickets in any given venue. The pay-per-view is not going to go off the chart, but if I was to go back to November of last year when John Jones is hitting the President's dance and he's got Elon and everybody, what a powerful

moment. And that would have been the biggest fight in the industry. That would have wiped out any notion of Francis Ngono versus John Jones, just for example, which a year prior was the biggest fight in our industry. And if you remember, that's not a torch that Francis handed to Tom. That was a torch that went to Sergey Pavlich. Sergey Pavlich was supposed to be the big scary one in John's closet that John would never face.

And Tom took that from him. So, you know, it's kind of a hot potato that moves quickly. But I bring that face and Tom took that from him. So, you know, it's kind of a hot potato that moves quickly but but I bring that example up because people don't wait. They didn't wait for Francis. They didn't wait for surgery. They're not going

to wait for John and that's that's just the truth. Well, first of all, it's pronounced surreal serial. Excuse me, gain. I believe. Yeah, that's right. Secondly, Luke, I'm I'm going to say something that I don't know if you're ready for. I'm so pissed off at this and you I think you were wrong saying we're not at the end of a rope.

I've been at the end of my rope for a long time on this. I'm ready to shut down the heavyweight division, reactivate women's 145 so Kayla doesn't have to be read anymore. Let's just move forward. I'm done. There's just nothing left to say. There's there's there's no news, right? Every time he does one of these interviews, there's just the same thing. He's half in, he's half out. There's nothing new that comes out of it. We're not, I mean, there's just, even this me now talking is kind of a waste of time.

It's just worth saying out loud one more time. Let's just bring this back up, you see, when we actually have real news, not, oh, it's rumored. Oh, so-and-so was saying, no, announced official in the book or not, whatever. Whatever's gonna happen, we can bring it back up then, but just doing this song and dance all the fucking time. I don't care anymore.

I don't care. Hey, UFC, we don't care anymore. You are continuing this path to irrelevance. Even if you announce this in some beautiful announcement that coincides with your new TV deal, we don't freaking care anymore Okay, your enablers. It's your fault UFC. Thank you very much John's dancing on your grave making fun of this or maybe he's sitting on info that he's gonna take the fight either way We don't care moving on. Okay, Serge Pavlich not withstanding. What a hell that's a hell of a pronunciation by the way

Oh, let's go to subtopic Luke zero number two. During the same week, and this was maybe an under covered story that Misha Serkinoff, former UFC fighter, appeared to be launching a class action suit similar to the ones previously launched by Cajun Johnson and Kung Lee. Now we've got another bombshell today. The John S. Nash's, the Eric McGrackens of the world are all over it. Here's a tweet from John S. Nash. Phil Davis, who of course is currently with PFL, is the named plaintiff in yet another antitrust class action complaint filed against the UFC. This one is seeking injunctive relief for non UFC fighters.

And then of course, John S S Nash would go on to say that he's got a podcast about it with a Stephie Haynes there and they are not seeking damages says Nash, but instead asking the court for only inductive relief, including the insertion of one year sunset provision options into all UFC fighter contracts. Luke, Eric McGracken would tweet that this is potentially a continual

monster game changer here as we move closer toward what? Freedom or the end of monsobsony? How big are these two things in your eyes in the direction that it's not going to get better for UFC and TKO on this matter? Well yeah it should also be noted, I believe this is the case in the Surkinov one, but for sure it's the case in the Phil Davis one that I think it's true in both the law firm representing the fighters in the existing class action lawsuit. The one that's currently going through settlement is the same firm representing Davis and I believe as well. Circon of

they're trying to do different things. Circon of is trying to get the arbitration agreements and then the class action waiver. trying to get the arbitration agreements and then the class action waiver. So I think starting in 2022, you had to like waive your right to participate in class action lawsuits. They're trying to get that challenge and arbitration agreements challenged.

You know, again, not claiming, I don't think he's claiming any damages. I think they're just trying to fill in a gap from stuff they got lost in terms of who could certify as part of the Cajun Johnson case. It's kind of in the weeds, but it's kind of the what you should know is the Surkhanov case is kind of attached to the existing lawsuit via the Cajun Johnson case. The Phil Davis one is a

new one, a truly new one, like totally independent of that. And basically what he's arguing is, I mean, I haven't had a chance to really go through the lawsuit yet. But based on my cursory examination, that basically, if you because of the way the UFC is conducted as business and the way he claims is the you know, the unfair application of you know monopoly power in the market a competitors just can't exist and also that it's lowered wages for everyone even not in the UFC because there's no competition driving prices up and everyone even not in the UFC because there's no competition driving prices up. And we'll see. I mean, the last lawsuit BC, it took a decade to get any real resolution to it.

Buckle up, I suspect it's gonna take a long time for this one to get something out of it as well. But you don't think this speeds up some TKO Ari Emanuel sale to get out of this before it gets worse so then he can support his brother's presidential bid one day? That's a great question. I don't think so, but we shall see. And does me making Eric Mcracken, Phil Mcracken references instantly bring you back to his P90X picks? In your head? No, but it does bring me back to Kingpin. Yes. Kingpin. Great. Great Fairly Brothers movie. I mean, if you were low on rent, Luke, you may do that too. You

know what I mean? You might have to do that. Hey, can you get sick drinking piss, even if it's your own? That's a great line. I mean, look, regardless of where the seriously regardless of where this goes, would you say this is refreshing that that the fighters involved here, the ones who had, you know, had had their their the end of their careers negatively affected by this monopoly that we are pushing forward to change? I certainly think it's interesting that this law firm is continuing its efforts. I kind of had assumed that once this existing lawsuit came to a halt, they were going to collect their paychecks and then just, you know, head for the hills, but it turns out they're not.

Turns out that they're kind of in this one for the long haul. It looks like they want to see real change. They got some coin for that existing class of fighters. And I'm going to say one more time with Phil Davis, dude, they're not looking for, I mean, you know, who's to say that what they might settle on, but as it states, they're not looking for any money in the, in the Davis is not asking for a penny. He's just asking for the contracts to be changed. Um, and that's something he couldn't even benefit from, right? Like he could not personally receive a reward. He's basically the end of

his deal or his career. Anyway, I will tell you though, BC. It's kind of interesting. He's an active member of the PFL roster and now engaged in this lawsuit. I wonder what PFL has to say about that. And did they know? And kind of an interesting moment. I'm trying to figure out for a layman like me,

what's more confusing trying to figure out all this lawyer speak in this lawsuit or trying to decipher Don Davis's recent tweet about the PFL Championship Series and how it combines all the champions of the year loop the champions in MENA against the tournament champions against the Bellator champions against this champion to name the true champion in all of MMA. Yeah nobody believes that. Nobody believes that nor does anyone even understand it but uh- Shout out to future champion Kevin Lee though getting getting getting subbed in in those semi finals. I'm down for that.

They gave him a very unenviable task. He has to go up. I mean, yeah, the good news. Okay, great news. You're in the semis. You win, you go to the finals. Bad news. You got to fight Gazi Rabotinov like tough fight.

He might fight Brent Primus in the finals if he gets through. I never thought we'd see that match up in this calendar year, but we'll see what happens. It'd be awesome to see Kevin Lee back on top, but no matter who you are, man, Rabotnov is a tough ass fight. Final point on Kevin Lee, if he didn't have staff against Tony, are we talking about a different career arc? That's a great question.

I mean, you gotta think about this at night, Luke, you know, when you're in bed. Okay. I'm definitely not thinking about it then. That's the last one. Well, you're up all night angry. Like, you know what I mean? Like you're thinking about that C4 energy drink. Yeah.

The other day, how ill advised that was, you know, Luke, I want to bear when you pass, you know, it'll be a somber event. This is the this is the strawberry blast. Zero sugar. C4, no sponsorship. We're not, you know, just I live and breathe by it. Look, you ever go to one of those wakes where like they put in the coffin like the Marlboro pack in the pocket. They put the Miller High Life can in the dead guy's hand.

We're going to do that with you with vapes. Um a lot of other things. Okay. Shakira tickets, whatever. Alright, enough of this. That's right. Uh finally on the zero topic stuff. Luke, are you moved at this? UFC Nashville, July 12th announces Stephen Wonderboy Thompson against Brazilian submission artist Gabriel Bonfim. Are you in? Are you in on this?

I guess. I mean, okay. I don't hate it. I don't have strong feelings about it. It was interesting. We didn't put in the rundown today because we kind of made it before all this became a big thing, but like,

and apparently they're walking some of this back, but it was at least reported and rumored. I think some of it is that it's not official, but they're going to have Pyotr Yon fight, Marcus McGee, and people were all up in arms about it, and I'm like... Because he's ranked like number two and ready for a title shot, now he's facing a 12th, 13th... Okay, so but then let me ask the question then, BC, why do you think he took that fight? To stay busy and look great and be in a spot to get the title shot.

Right, right, like again, if you see a fight like that, it's not because the matchmakers didn't realize, in all likelihood, didn't realize that like, oh, him versus Umar would be a much better fight, but I think Umar's still injured. And then more to that point, like more broadly, like if he wants to stay busy and they're trying to find a name who's available, maybe the other one said,

no, like this is just what was available given the circumstances. And also Marcus McGee is like a decent, like good fighter, you know? That's not, it's not the craziest thing in the world. So yeah, is it like ideal? No, it's not ideal, but they're not working under ideal conditions. Never forget that Sean Strickland went from an a bus mago med off knockout to a title shot and he won the title. So, you know, you can make that leap in this game. A bus mega made offadoff. That's right. Yeah. Plains, trains, automobiles,

and a bus. Luke, where's your hand between two pillows? Those aren't pillows. All right. Let's get into topic number one. The real topic number one, get fired up. Why? Because this Saturday here, by the way, in Las Vegas, where I currently sit, UFC Fight Night is back at the damn apex and say what you will about this car about its depth about women's MMA in general. I'm fired the hell up in the deepest division of women's MMA at the moment. Women's flyweight under the UFC banner. How about Aaron Blancefield versus Macy Barber in a red hot potential number one contender

ish type fight. Also, it's getting a little bit spicy up in here, up in here. So Luke, before we get into some of that spice, let's just set the terms right off the top. I love this fight, but love it or hate it, is a title shot on the line in your eyes for these two aggressive females at 125 pounds?

I think it could be. I think it's which is weird to say because they're fighting in the apex they're not even fighting necessarily like on the road and you know in closes thing up they're not even fighting on the road where like you know it's like a completely kind of like internalized there's like the tiers right the apex fight nights and then on the road fight nights and then pay-per-view being the highest level we've kind of internalized that you know fairly or otherwise but this is a weird one for me it's like I I Natalia Silva

is still kind of hanging out there and for that reason she might actually get it right so she is currently the number one ranked contender I think fans are pretty excited about her for the most part. She has made an interesting return to MMA after a brief hiatus, you know, the tragic passing of her sister. Blanchfield and Barber are sitting respectively at four and three, but two and two, four and five,

excuse me, but two and three are Monofio Road who just had it. And then Alexa Grosso who, you know, is at this point not really relevant for a title picture in any kind of way so like I think a strong performance here very well could end up leapfrogging Natalia Silva especially remember like UFC 316 I've said this before you've got you got Marab who is going to begin Sean O'Malley and people like why wasn't that Yon Yon would

have been the more deserving fighter, which is certainly a true argument. But as we've talked about before, if you're selling pay-per-views to a pay-per-view buying North American audience, you know, having an American on there or at least someone, you know, yes, having an American on there is not always going to be some kind of difference maker, but in general it certainly could. And Silva speaks English, which is great. I'm just, I'm just saying there are ways in which the winner on Saturday could get a boost into a title shot. It really depends on a few factors. I don't think Silva speaks English.

Does she? I think she does. Yeah. On camera? Really? Yeah. I think she's done it in post-fight interviews. Yeah.

She's starting to make that move. You're right. All right, Luke, this matchup is is fantastic because of I think the timing of them meeting each other. Yes, Aaron Blanchfield's original meteoric unbeaten rise was snuffed out to a large degree by Manon Fereau and their number one contender fight over five rounds. When when plan A didn't work for Blanchfield with the takedowns, we got to see the difference between the two of those.

She did, however, bounce back with a hard-fought win against former two-time champion at 115, Rose Nama-Yunas. But on the flip side, Macy Barber still red hot overall when you consider she's riding a six-fight win streak despite some ups and downs with injuries and time off. Yet when you look at the odds at the moment, I got to ask you if you're surprised about this. Our friends at DraftKings have Aaron Blancefield as a minus 238 betting favorite against the plus 195 Macy Barber,

who I think you would have to agree, Luke, has much better striking in this matchup. What's with the odds going this way in your eyes? Boy, that is interesting. I'm just seeing these for the first time. And I'm looking at some of the other places that you can get odds are all pretty similar in that regard in terms of the spread.

Well, you know what, before I answer that, let's ask Long Island Luke, our resident betting contributor. Why is the line like that? I think it's just Erin's resume. Like she's coming off the Firo loss, sure. But like Firo's coming off a resume. Like she's coming off the Firo loss, sure, but like Firo's coming off a title shot and she's coming off the Rose win. Like both of those names are bigger than anyone Macy's beaten. I don't have Macy's resume in front of me, but that six fight win streak, if I'm not mistaken, it's not against big names. Kaitlyn Sumunara, I think is the biggest

name. Miranda Maverick by split decision, decision over La Rosa, Jessica by decision split decision over KGB Lee. Then she stopped Amanda Hibos and then she won a three round decision over former title challenger, Katelyn Sermonara. That's not bad. Right. It's not bad, but I feel like Hibos and Sermonara are the only ones worth really putting any value in. Those other names are kind of a Miranda Mavericks fighting Rose coming up, bro. Yeah, but she also is like she's wishy washy. You know she ain't reliable. I I'll say this. First of all,

I mean this fight is getting killed online, but I don't really agree. I kind of like this fight a lot. You know whether the card is great is a different kind of conversation, but the main event certainly has a ton of value in it, not just because their stakes involved, But I can sort of understand that. I mean, Blanchefield is a little bit, well, I don't know if that's true. I was going to say maybe Blanchefield

is a little bit more of a bulldozer, but I don't, I don't, a little bit more of a bulldozer with her wrestling, I guess, is the way I would put that, BC. What makes you is far more violent. a bulldozer with her wrestling, I guess, is the way I would put that, BC. What makes you is far more violent. Yeah, I was gonna say that, like on the feet though, particularly in the clinch and stuff like that as well. And Barbara's got like heavy ground and pound too. Yeah, I don't know.

I'll tell you what, I find that that's a little strange for me that they're that far apart on this. And in fact, it was kind of interesting is like, they're really similar in certain ways on their stats with one really big exception, BC. First of all is like they're really similar in certain ways on their stats with one really big exception BC First of all, like they're one inch apart in height and one inch apart and reach so like they're very similar Blanchfield has 15 fights Barbara has 16 fights like, you know, they're kind of close in that regard. They're born one year apart Listen to this strikes landed per minute

5.2 for Blanchfield 4.7 for Barbara both pretty high There the Blanchfield a little bit more hittable Barbara's got better defense Blanchfield absorbing to 4.2 strikes per minute, which is very high and then 2.9 for Barbara So she's much cleaner as a striker in that regard The one difference on the grappling side though BC Blanchfield's takedown defense 80% very high and Macy Barber's takedown defense just 50%. Okay, a little bit more vulnerable in that regard. But even then, takedowns per 15 minutes 1.86 for Blanchfield 1.44 for Barber like there's in a lot of ways there are some meaningful differences, particularly in once you get to the ground versus once you're still on

the feet. But there's a lot of similarities combining them. I just feel like Barbara a little bit more trickery to her game, right? Yes. A little bit more bite down on the mouthpiece in exchanges kind of fighter. Well, well, Erin will take punishment. She's a warrior, but she doesn't have the same, I don't think, head movement in boxing. Yeah, I guess I would say, Barbara, a little bit more of a slick stir, a little bit more of a trickster, in a good way, obviously. Blanchfield, very tough, very straightforward, but a little bit more meat and potatoes in that regard. Well, those meat and potatoes had a lot of spice sprinkled on top of them when these two started talking. In fact, we got to bring in our friends from Cuervo because it's time for some shots fired.

Let's hear from Macy Barber, who is saying what some people believe that Aaron Blatchfield is tough, but what about plan B? Let's hear from Macy. I think Aaron's a one-dimensional fighter, and I think I've made that pretty known. She has her grappling and she has a wrestling ability, but really honestly aside from that. I don't think she's a great striker She's not a finisher and she's not a dangerous fighter She has some submission wins

But what makes me dangerous compared to her is I go out there to hurt you and I go out there to make you bleed And I think that that's what's gonna be in my advantage and I don't care where the fight goes whether it's on the standing on The ground I'm going to finish here in Blanchfield I don't just want to go out there and fight these girls and win I don't want just a decision when I want to go out there and hurt these girls and make sure that they know that when They get done with a fight with me. They never want to fight me again I believe that I should be next in line for the belt With a dominant performance dominant finish and, and you know, putting my

name out there and doing what I need to do. Luke, how much you putting stock in what she's saying? I love the attitude. I love the attitude. Is Blanchefield one dimensional? No, no, no, I don't think I don't think that's quite right. I don't know. I mean, this is to me like a really interesting fight because Barbara came off the contender series and we were hoping like, you know, she was talking about

I'm gonna be the youngest champion in UFC history. And I think, you know, that's I don't think that's still on the table. Maybe it is. I can't even keep track anymore. It's not on the table. Yeah, okay. But you know, she could still obviously do very very impressive things and then Blanchfield is here who has, you know,

as we saw was making some names on the prelim cards and whatnot, and then moving through. And we've kind of seen Blanchfield hit a wall, obviously in the Furo fight, but that's a wall that's very difficult to get around. Barbara represents a very different kind of threat, not the kind of keep away threat. But I guess the point I'm trying to make is,

you know, I'm genuinely unsure of who's got the higher upside here. I really, I have a hard time knowing, which is part of the reason why I like this fight is because they both got pretty credible claims to, you know, who's got next, but it's very, it's very difficult to assess. I, again, the oddsmakers kind of think that this is Blanchfield's fight to lose. Perhaps that it is, but I don't know. I think Barbara has, there was a while there where Barbara was a little bit stalled like right around that mox or the Roxanne Motiferi fight. And she had that injury and then came back and then since then, I've seen real huge amounts of progress.

She's a deadly good fighter. I'm very curious to see this fight. No doubt about it. And those shots fired have been brought to you by Cuervo. Now is a good time to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila and how about us enjoying some Cuervo this Wednesday coming up June 4th 11 a.m. Eastern UFC 316 pre-game preview. Check it out. There was a rebuttal of sorts in their back and forth on media day from Aaron Blansfield. Let's check in on this. Do you feel like a win here gives you the shot at the title? I do.

I think with a really good performance, I think at this point it matters. It's winning, but also how you win. So I plan on winning in an impressive fashion. So Macy came in here earlier, and she sees you as one dimensional, and she's looking to finish you. As you said, she's an aggressive fighter. When you hear things like that, of course,

all throughout your career, you're going to hear people be critique critical and things like that for you. Do you just kind of brush that off and just zone that out? Or do you feel like you put that to the fire and add that to motivation? Most of the time, I feel like I just brush it off. I mean, people, they got to say what they got to say.

But I know who I am as a fighter, and I know I'm well-rounded. Yeah, I think in order to get a title shot next, I'm definitely going to need a finish. You know, wins are always good and that's always the goal, but a finish would be good in this one. Luke, this is kind of a weird or tough question. Do you think this flight can reignite women's MMA in any form, whether they put on a war over 25 minutes or whether one gets a dominant performance and begins to shout out for a title shot. Can this be the beginning of a turn in a bright direction for women's MMA at the moment?

I think it's going to take a lot more about women's MMA to be resolved and one fight simply cannot fix that and it's going to be true even at a higher level like if Kayla wins at UFC 316 and they bring Amanda Nunes back and you have that, that fight would be great BC. We both have been very clear that's the fight that we want, BC. We both have been very clear. That's the fight that we want. I think it'd be amazing, but at the same time, by itself, it can't save anything. It can save an event,

but it can't save much more than that. And so just keeping that in mind, I think is really important. However, what I would say is, any amount of creating hype for, again, a title shot or whatever this fight ends up being any any putting on a good fight is obviously important, but then you know the women's game does need rivalry.

It needs something to inject some life into it, and I don't know how much the apex is going to facilitate that tomorrow night, but any amount I think is a positive contributor. And again, if you can create hype for a showdown in the main event or excuse me for a for a showdown for a title shot, this is exactly what the doctor ordered. I really, really hope we can get close

to something like that, you know? All things considered, I'm taking plus money on Macy Barber here. I think if it comes down to it on the feet, which it will over the 25 rounds, look, Blanchard's tough as heck. She doesn't stop coming forward. Even if she's taking damage,

I get the advantages on the ground that she could potentially have here. But I like Macy Barber and look, if we're, if we're looking at their two runs or cases for a title shot with a win up to this point, I think with Barber being a potential fresh opponent to the title picture, if she beats Blanchfield in this close up opportunity, extends her win streak to seven, I think she could potentially crash that title picture.

But I think on the flip side, I heard what Erin said right there that a win could give her that. I think she's gonna have a harder road because we saw her handled not so long ago by Manon Fereau. And I think if you consider the fact that Natalia Silva seems to be due, Zhongwei Li could potentially crash this division and get an instant title shot

against Valentina because of the star power if they go in that direction. I'm wondering with a win here if Aaron is probably going to have to go get a win over Manon to get that title shot. What do you think about that? Why? Why would they do that? Like you, you need as many viable contenders in this. When you've got a long reigning champion like this, you're going to just feed him. But I think Fiorro is going to fight someone outside the top five. Well, what if what if Blanchfield won? They did Jung-Wei Li next and then you know Natalia Silva is waiting

in the bullpen. You're looking at a year right there. That's true. Lancefield's gonna have to beat another top contender in my opinion and since it would be weird to push her into a title shot when she just got handled by Manon, I'm just saying Luke, I think she might have to end up beating her to get it. That is, yeah, I mean the Zhong Weili sweepstakes are the game changer here because that would then change a lot about how this division functions and who gets next.

But if Zhong Wai Li ends up fighting, then you might have the winner of this fight fight the fight Natalia Silva and then that winner gets you know the title shot at that point. So, or if Zhong Wai Li wins and it's controversial they could do it. I mean there's a lot of ways that could just completely upend everything. But to your point, this is the point I'm trying to make. There is a likelihood that if the winner here squeaks by or just gets a good but otherwise, you know, you didn't win in an electoral landslide, you don't have a mandate. You just have to go back out there and there's a good chance there's going to be two fights in front of them. The one on Saturday and then another one after that so we really have to see. At least we have depth and at least one women's division at the moment before we hear Luke Thomas's prediction let's get one more from Long Island Luke

Nosedo of the main card minute Luke I'm going plus money on Macy Barber here break this matchup down from a betting standpoint in terms of where you're leaning. Betting standpoint I took the over two and a half in a parlay, I think it's safe. I think this one probably goes five rounds. So two and a half definitely feels good. Barber at plus money is super tempting. I was considering taking it. I might still take it, but I didn't officially.

My prediction though, I'm going to Aaron by decision. I feel like you just picked both sides. Did you just hedge your garden right there? What just happened? I mean, I'm just saying, I'm just saying if you want Macy at plus money, there's value there. But if you're asking me how I think the fight plays out,

I think Aaron wins by decision. I think that's your tri-state bias talking right there. Luke Thomas, who wins and why? I'm gonna lean Blanchefield because I think that that 53% take down defense from Barber and Blanchefield's willingness to take punishment to get there is probably going to be the difference maker. But I don't know.

I don't think Barber is anyone to sleep on. I really don't. I'm kind of excited about this main event. All right. Let's find out if you are excited about the co-main event in the lightweight division as number seven, Mateusz Gamrot welcomes a very tough customer and Ludvig Klein. Luke, is Gamrot in your eyes being disrespected by taking this fight against

an unranked fighter or is this the opportunity for Klein to get some respect with a big win against an established name? Yeah, I mean I think it's a couple things happening at once. The loss to Hooker was bad for Gamrot because I think he was widely expected to win that. Guy like Dan Hooker, not really known for his takedown defense. Good fighter, obviously, but not known for his wrestling per se.

And Gamrot's especially known for that. Remember he had like a tooth and nail fight with Armand Soryukyan, had amazing wrestling scrambles. So that was a real setback. I think the other part though is like, dude, people just don't want to fight Gamrot. I mean, if you're in the top five and top 10, he's not a great fight because he's really tough to beat. And even if you beat him, it's probably not going to be very exciting. And it means a lot. Like if you beat a guy that good, it obviously tells us you are very good.

lot. Like if you beat a guy that good, it obviously tells us you are very good. But it's it's just a really hard, I mean, you know, credit to Dan Hooker for doing it. But it's not a lot of people are going to sign up for that assignment, you know, I get it. However, as I mentioned, he's coming off the loss to Hooker, I think he needed a rebound. Klein has been slowly but steadily climbing the ladder, and I think has earned an opportunity. So for him, it actually a lot of sense BC because what better way to prove you belong among the upper tier of lightweights than by beating Mateusz Gamrot. It actually would be exactly what he needs. He's not so much worried about building a name, he just wants to prove about what company he thinks he is ready to keep in terms of everyone around him. Klein a a very good fighter, as I indicated, has, I think, earned a step up. Maybe this will be too much of one, but I sort of get the matchmaking. It's just that people associate Gamrot with the top of this division and with good reason.

But for other factors, as we just mentioned, the Klein fight actually makes a little bit more sense. I like the fight. The 30-year-old Klein from Slovakiaia is of course, nicknamed Mr. Highlight. He's on an unbeaten streak that has reached seven fights. There is a draw in their majority draw against Jai Herbert, but he's unbeaten in those seven fights. Vegas thinks this will be a close one.

The odds according to DraftKings, plus 130 Klein, minus 155 the veteran Gamrot. Luke, how much is the fact that Gamra mostly known for wrestling? Klein has a nasty shutdown takedown percentage. How much of that is playing into these odds in your eyes? Yeah, there have to be some. Ludovic Klein above 90% takedown defense. That's very, very, very good.

That's very good. He's gonna be a tough customer. But at the same time, like who are the guys he's fought that can wrestle like Gamroth? Let's go through it. Roosevelt Roberts? No. Thiago Moises? No. AJ Cunningham? No. Ignacio Balmondes is very good, but he's not a wrestler on the level of Gamroth. Mason Jones, Duvante Smith, and then Shane Young, there's some other fights he lost along the way. Like none of those guys wrestle like Gamroth, you know, I mean, so this is what I mean. This is why actually, I know that people are looking at the Jan versus McGee fight and then

Gamrot versus Klein. And I think a lot of people like, these are not the names that I thought they would have paired. But when you actually dig a little bit beneath the surface, again, the Jan McGee one might be just more function of who's available on what kind of calendar. But in this case, there are good reasons for both guys to take this fight and it means something much more for Klein than it would for Gamrot, but Gamrot needs to get right and this could help him do exactly that. Since Gamrot's UFC debut in 2020 when he lost a split decision to Guram Kuteladze. Luke, he's been very impressive that split decision lost to Hooker in his last fight, the 2022 decision lost to Benil Dariush. Both losses may be slowed, what would have been a rise toward true contention at the top level. But in between Luke, he's got a

submission to Jeremy Stevens, a TKO win over Carlos Diego Faheda, a decision win over Armand Sarukyan, split decision over Jaylen Turner, an injury TKO over Rafael Fazeve, and then a decision over the veteran former champion RDA. A very credible resume there. That's a better resume than most in this division. But would you agree that people don't look at him as a conqueror, however? Yes. Why would you look at him like a conqueror? I mean, he's beaten big names, but I don't look at him as a guy that I'm just waiting for his moment to get that title shot.

They look at him like a domineering wrestler. They do that, but they don't look at him much beyond that. Like his striking is, I think, useful to him, but it's not especially dangerous. He's not a huge submission threat. He's just really doggedly, you know, like a, like a torch of the metaphor, like a dog on a bone. I mean, he is, he's, he's got really aggressive, good scrambling, wrestling, top control, you name it. That's where he lives and breathes. And that has actually helped him get as far as he has, but it's also kind of limited him BC It's kind of limited like what he could be and I think it's limited him limited him in the hooker fight

He had no real other offense not much of a law offense I should say to go to and it's kind of been the thing that has propelled him as well as been the albatross Around his neck. It's actually an opportunity for against Klein. Yeah, I'm sure he's gonna use his wrestling But if the wrestling is not there, this is a good opportunity for Gamrot to show us. Maybe he's got some other stuff and we can get there. We'll have to see. Look, how would you gain, great, excuse me, the depth of this particular apex card? That's more of a question for main card minute boyfriend of the year material. I mean... Yeah, but he's gonna praise it. You know that. You know he'll be like, well... no, no, let me let me run through it. I mean, the main and co main are solid. I don't think we can deny that. That's fine. There's a steep drop off after that. Ketlin Viera Macy's Chasson. That's a good fight. You know, someone's gonna come out. For some people are hyping the Billy Ray golf and Rami's Brahma fight, which should be action oriented. I think it'll bear me I don't love that because it came together last minute Brahma was

supposed to be fighting Oban Elliott Billy golf was supposed to be fighting co is his last name I don't know his first name I apologize that got rescheduled now Oban Elliott's fighting co at Azerbaijan and now this matchups made some a little worried this one might be a dud hey guys I'll just settle it for you this car blows after the top two fights, all right? It's acceptable on the main and co-main are solid. It blows chunks after that. It sucks the horn if you will.

Will you Luke? I will not suck the horn, but I do recognize that there is a horn to be sucked. You know what I'm saying? Who's gonna be the biggest winner on this undercard? Let me ask you that. Who's gonna advance their position or who has that potential? It's a good one. Probably if you can, maybe Ramiz, Brahimay could be one of those guys. The Ketlin Viera, I think,

could you know add a little bit something if she wins um maybe zackary reese and dusko tudorovich could be a little something something as well i do like that viera schezon fight there's some there's that's a good match up there uh we do have some from good old gamrot on his motivation entering this client fight which certainly could be a big one for his advancement up the rankings. He's dangerous opponent tough man, high level striker, very explosive, very good kick, high kick, all kicks. He has good wrestling defense statistic, but the question is who tried to take him down you know the guys who who shot his leg this was not high level wrestler so he he defends

this so I want to ruin his statistic this fight and yeah but I want to be brave this fight you know I want to exchange punch with him take him down make him tired touch touch hit him don't be hit and finish in the ground. Well, Luky made the similar points you did of great takedown defense but against two, against two also, what do you make of old Gamrot there saying I'm gonna take some chances, I'm gonna throw, take, give back. Are we gonna see AES a surprising three-round battler? Are we going to see a surprising three round battle here? I hope. I hope. I hope it's not standard Gamrot, which is the up yours symbol from 1995.

I hope you see, in all seriousness, I kind of hope. I hope that we get a little bit more. I hope that there's a little bit more to it than what we still you know gamerot wins But he wins the same way he always wins well, then yeah, it's a nice win But you're just kind of back where you were before. Let's like let's let's see if you can up the ante Let's see if you can get to another place. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know what place you're trying to get to look I want to get there too. You know what I mean was that highest balls? I'd also accept that. Thank you very much. Hey, how about a transition? This podcast is sponsored by Total Wireless, the official wireless partner of UFC. When you're streaming the fight or sharing those takedown highlights, you need a

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Additional terms apply. See website for details. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Luke Thomas. Let's go into topic number two. As we record this, the UFC continues to be in its negotiation post-negotiation exclusive negotiation window with UFC with ESPN. Excuse me. I'm looking towards a new broadcasting deal. Will it be Netflix? negotiation post negotiation exclusive negotiation window with UFC with ESPN excuse me and looking

towards a new broadcasting deal will it be Netflix will it be prime will it be fubo sports probably not but Luke reports are starting to suggest here that UFC is likely in some or most and potentially even all capacity set to return to ESPN if this goes down this way what would to return to ESPN. If this goes down this way, what would a return to ESPN mean for UFC at this juncture when we know they were ambitiously seeking $1 billion per year for a new deal that would essentially triple what they previously received? And how will this land with the fan base if we see UFC, like I mentioned, signed up for a majority or all of it staying on the plus. Oh man, I feel like this is a big topic. I mean, I... Okay, so here's why I think this is kind of a big deal. BC, maybe you disagree, but it seems to me that the fans have been led to believe that the UFC, not without some good reason, but they've been led to believe that the UFC is basically done with ESPN when this deal is up.

They didn't reach a deal in the exclusive negotiating window and they're talking to other players and yeah, you know, there's always a chance and maybe not be on ESPN at all or if they are in some very, very minor capacity. And I think it's actually the opposite. Now, again, we're not in these boardrooms, we're not in these negotiations, we are not in these places where these conversations are being had. But I believe we have this asset, if we can, from Variety Magazine. Let me read it to you for the folks who are listening on the audio platform. Quote, in terms of distribution, the UFC will likely keep most

of its content with ESPN and split off other pieces to a streaming platform. The exclusive access ESPN plus has to the UFC's pay per view and fight night events are a key value proposition for several subscribers. And the UFC's growth has helped drive a 75% year over year increase in subscribers. I'm not sure how true that is, but whatever. From the UFC's perspective, Disney's

ability to broadcast fights via ESPN, ESPN Plus, and ABC offers a unique blend of channels to showcase its athletes and gain more fans, but Netflix makes the most sense to emerge as a new home for some of the UFC's content considering the existing relationship with TKO and the fact that the streamers investments in live sports have largely been focused on combat sports. So there's more to that story obviously, but here's the deal BC, they're almost certain to remain with ESPN. Again, as the question you indicated

in I think the majority of its capacity, recently there, if you go to the ESPN Plus backend, they've wiped tons of content out of there. Only the most recent events are on there still, but the New York Post reported that that was because they're doing some technological changes to the backend and that stuff should go back on there. So we'll see how that goes.

When they wiped the backend, do you think they were standing? Only if they wanted to do it correctly and fully, unlike your disgusting body, which just walks around with feces between your cheeks. In any case. That's too far, too far, too far. In any case, in any case.

But BC, here's what you have to think about. The way in which the UFC delivers its product, right? How they create tiers, how they build a calendar, all that stuff is driven by the broadcast deal and what they want from the UFC. In other words, how many events do they want a year? How long do they want those events to be? The way in which they currently give $20 million to the UFC per pay-per-view event, right? So that number might be expected to grow

in the next television deal, but I'm trying to point out the way in which the content is delivered to us, both in terms of ESPN's user interface, but in how it's packaged and built and how much of it there is, and what incentives are built into the UFC to try in certain places and not in others. All of that is driven by the arrangements with the broadcast deal. Again, overseas commitments too, but a huge

portion of it. What I'm trying to say is, BC, if they change the way that the contracts work, if they create new incentives to, I don't know, I'm going to make up something, build 10 less events or make pay-per-views much stronger by whatever's in the contract itself or you know, you name it, all different kinds of ways, that could change how the product is built for us in the end as consumers. And I think my hope would be if they're gonna stay with ESPN, that ESPN wises up and makes the UFC have to earn it a little bit more with how they deliver the product.

I mean, look, when ESPN recently cut terms with top rank at the end of their deal, which will officially expire following this July 26 card with Xandros Zayas, the feel around here was that for all the money top rank, in boxing I'm in, the feel around there, the whispers were for all the money top rank was guaranteed. They didn't necessarily provide the big fights

that was expected at the beginning of the deal. Remember they did Pacquiao Horn to millions of viewers on live ESPN. I wonder if, I mean, I don't wonder. It feels like it's a very similar scenario here. You could argue back with what you just did, that the only reason why we have fight cards nearly every weekend, which is completely stretching

and watering down the product, is because ESPN wants it that way. Now does ESPN want it that way in the Apex warehouse? I think that's another conversation. Does ESPN like the almost, you know, punting of the matchmaking this quality this calendar year? I think that's another argument. But let's talk about the elephant in the room

if this is true. The elephant in the room being Netflix into a smaller degree slash prime video. I mean, TKO like wasn't shy in their ambition of saying they're seeking 1 billion per year. They're trying to triple the original deal with ESPN in terms of value. But how much in your eyes, based on the rumors, and we can only go on rumors and sourcing here because neither UFC, TKO, Turkey, Al-Asheek ring are commenting publicly on what

really happened here, but we are kind of led to believe that the weekend of the Netflix Upfront in New York City that Dana White and Turkey were there, probably under the guise of launching TKO Boxing with a Canelo Crawford fight this September. Then we saw what happened with the date being changed and all this crypticness. Do you believe that there's a possibility here that Turkey cost UFC parts of this deal with his behavior if those reports are true? Or do you think it's simply Netflix is on record saying they only want big events, grand events? UFC doesn't really do big grand events anymore.

Or they could with pay-per-view, but do they wanna give up some of that to Netflix? Maybe they do, maybe the answer is they do. Maybe they wanna give them like the Fox deal, one a quarter or something like that. That seems entirely possible. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but the TKO thing is really interesting BC

because the UFC has been looking for a billion dollars a year in this broadcast renewal. So that's what they want. They want a billion a year. And that variety report I just showed said that they're probably closer to the seven to 800 million. But if they included TKO boxing as part of the deal with ESPN, that could bump it to a million, but if they included TKO boxing as part of the deal with ESPN,

that could bump it to a billion, right? So the combination of UFC plus TKO boxing could end up getting a billion dollars or some combination between the two of Netflix and ESPN. But this is the thing, who wants the apex fights? Like everybody wants, you know, you would imagine that UFC pay reviews would be highly coveted, right? By ESPN, by Netflix, you name it. And even

some of the fight nights could potentially be highly coveted as well. Remember some of the stuff there is on ABC, the stuff in Abu Dhabi, like these are, you know, they can put some pretty big names on those too. But after that, what is the market for it? Now, if you're the UFC, you need that stuff because you have to keep the rest of the divisions moving with the events that take place there. And you know, if you're ESPN, I guess you want as many of those weekends filled up with UFC content as possible, though there's some, so maybe some question about that. But you

can't sell those by themselves. Like, who's going to buy those who's going to buy apex fights, like they don't they don't do anything for you all that much. And so the question is how you divide the more premium end of the product. Throwing in TKO, boxing might be able to do that for you, but there's a lot of wishy washy there. And BC, to the point you raised, some of the rumoring, and we don't really have great reporting about it, but some of the rumoring that's out there is that Turkey might have blown up things so badly about it but some of the rumoring that's out there is that Turkey might have blown up things so badly with Netflix that Netflix might be reconsidering their UFC push altogether and that now ESPN has even more leverage than they once did before. So I just want to be clear to fans like I mean I don't

know what's going to happen anymore than the other people but there are a lot of reasons to believe that like if you thought we were done with ESPN and the ESPN plus era it appears we are not it appears we are not I will say one more thing I will say one more thing I realize that other people have had totally normal experiences. But I have not had a great experience using ESPN plus, it has been a very, very bad service to me in numerous ways. Whatever happens next BC, if they stay with UFC, I'm begging ESPN to do something about this. I am begging them. And I know that they've got this new system that they're rolling out. I forget the new name of it BC. Do you know the new ESPN they're rolling out? The new, the $30

a month service? It's got some new name. It's going to be so you can order it separate from a cable package. Yeah, whatever. But it's supposed to come with like a new interface. I'm hoping that they fix those problems because that would, that would at least address one core element of the fan's experiences, which is your app just doesn't work well, right? No, that's that's damn right. But I gotta ask you a critical question here. Let me let me frame it like this. In 2016 when when Zufa and the Fertilas sold the UFC for over $4

billion to Ari Emanuel, Endeavor, WME, whatever, we know where we are now with Endeavor and TKO. What did they do leading up to that sale? They put on from the end of 2015 through UFC 200 in 2016, some of the most loaded cards in on-fire matchmaking we've ever seen. Now it certainly helps when McGregor's rocket ship is going like that during that period of time. Also Ronda and Brock still lingering, I get it. helps when McGregor's rocket ship is going like that during that period of time. Also,

Ronda and Brock still lingering. I get it. But do you think this shows potentially the unrivaled arrogance of TKO and UFC if after boldly asserting their goal to get 1 billion per year and potentially go into Netflix or Prime or both at the same time, if they end up majority or exclusively on ESPN, look at how the Fertitas did it leading into that sale. They put their best foot forward by far. UFC 200 week, three cards in a row on successive nights, all title fights on top, and a ridiculously loaded UFC 200 card even with John Jones in the drug situation there. Do you think we'll look back at the arrogance of UFC and TKO? Because how important is this window right now

of negotiation, just like the exclusive one with UFC, or sorry, with ESPN to open the year? And what has this calendar been? Not their best foot forward, like the worst foot forward that we've seen in their modern run, where it's not just too many Apex warehouse cards, it's not just watered down matchmaking, it's not just an inability to make the big fight, it's all of that at once.

How do you enter such an important season when you're trying to get record-setting money from people and trying to exercise the full potential of your brand by purposely putting out a weak value extraction product? How the hell do you think that's gonna work? Right? It's the million dollar question. It's the million dollar question. I mean, I've kind of I'm kind of going in circles at this point BC. But I, I, like I said, I'll just say I'll just say it one more time. What I am hoping is, you know,

I was hoping that they could take their show somewhere else. But what I am hoping is that this new, like the ESPN can look at the results of the last deal. Remember, BC, remember the original deal was five years and then they bumped it to seven because everyone was really happy. And at first everything was flying. And now things have kind of come

back down to earth a little bit. Obviously USC is still tremendously popular, but it's just not what it was, I don't know, 2022 or something like that, right? But now they've got data. They've got data around this and they can say to them, this didn't work for us the last time out. We want it to be this different way.

I don't know if they will or how that will look, but I'm hoping and BC there's something else that we should kind of talk about here a little bit like for example, the UFC shot itself in the foot when they told Francis to pound sand and I mean granted maybe he was going to go but they should bring him back. They probably won't but they should bring him back because he would inject some life into this division. But the reality is even if you brought Francis back and even if John were active, yeah, you'd have a lot, we'd be a lot happier. But heavyweight is in trouble beyond the UFC. Like heavyweight is in trouble globally. There are just not as many people who are athletes of that size who are good or whatever who are interested

in this. And it seems to me that if you're ESPN and you're looking at the situation, asking some questions about like, how do we make sure that this product because like what the UFC has done for a long time, understandably, this is not a criticism, they've kind of received the sport as it was. I mean, there's a little bit more to it than that, but they've done a lot of receiving of it. And that worked fine when the rest of the architecture of the sport was operating as it was intended. But now in many ways it is not.

And so the other question you have to ask yourself if you're ESPN is beyond just how do we arrange this product with this broadcast partner? What do we do to incentivize them to meet some of those challenges that exist beyond their shores that end up just affecting them as a consequence? I wonder by the way, if ESPN also might say to them, hey, you gotta get Francis back. You know what I mean?

Like what kind of hand are they gonna have in saying we want a better product? For that to happen, Dana's got to go. Because this idea of holding lifelong grudges against fighters is holding up business. I always say it, Vint Zucman, pretty horrible human being in a lot of ways. But one thing is he always, always, always put the business ahead of everything. That's why from Bret Hart to the Ultimate Warrior to whoever, the enemy could always come back through that door if it's better for business because Vince knows in the end, the fans are happy,

he wins, everything's great. He's still the boss. Whether someone screwed him over, he welcomed him back or not. They're always coming back on his terms. He's the boss. This whole era of Dana, you know, one sin and you're dead to him and then you're writing people out of history,

it's not going to work moving forward. So if TKO wants to stay in business here and keep extracting all this wealth from UFC, they've not only got to try more to get things like this to happen, to bring back Francis, you got to get rid of this petty bullshit at the top and that's Dana White. I'm serious. Like TKO, you're actively ruining this fantastic promotion and it's not even like it's happening to you by accident. You're actively doing it. Look, if this were, we don't bring up these names a lot, but if this were Frank and Lorenzo right now trying to set up to try to get a billion dollars a year, you know what we would have seen in the first six months this year? We would have seen Ilya versus Islam at IFW. We would have probably seen Connor versus Patty in the spring and we would already have Jones Aspenall booked like six months ago

and playing up this long build to it. That's what it would have done because at that time, do you know what it was about? Yes, it was about making money, but it was about promotion and putting the sport first and using the assets you have to get the most money. They don't care about using the assets to make the money. They just care about using the reputation. But your reputation is worth shit over time when people can't afford to go to your shows and you're not even putting your best fighters in the fights.

You're almost doing some Don Davis like bullshit right here. I don't know if I can go to Mr. LinkedIn quite that far, but it's time for a new way of thinking. Like we're just not dealing with the sport as it once was. It's in a new era and there's good things about that. And there's bad things about that. There are things that are simpler and there's things that are now more challenging. And I think having a more open attitude

the way you described or at least a different attitude about what kinds of things you can do and what makes sense for the business. You know, we're just not in a place where we can just entertain grudges like that and you're going to have the same product. I mean, that used to be a bigger thing. B.C. Dana White could maintain a grudge and you more or less didn't notice it. You know what I mean? Like you more or less, someone was gone, but you didn't feel it in that same way. Like, yeah, they lost Paul Daly, but he had already lost Josh Kostryk in that fight.

And, you know, the division kind of moved on without him. But now we're getting to a place where like, just letting people go like that has a much, especially at heavyweight, has like a huge consequence. And it just doesn't work the same way. Again, whether it's Netflix, and especially if it's Netflix, bro, if Netflix is in business, they have to be saying,

you gotta bring back Francis. You can't keep doing this. Like this is not acceptable. But I don't know, I don't know. The UFC are powerful negotiators and they're a powerful entity. This is, I just want folks to be ready for some of these bigger considerations that we're airing out here.

I'm just saying when we criticize Turkey Alashig, for example, Turkey's done a lot of good for boxing in the last year and a half, but there's another side to it too. And when we criticize him, not from a sports washing present, you know, perspective, but from a straight up boxing matchmaking execution perception, A lot of times we go, yeah, he's ambitious. He wants to make big fights, but he's like doing a video game style and screwing up people's arcs and just grabbing people and putting them together. And what do we say? Not a boxing guy at the end of the day. Maybe boxing people should really be handling this. Guess what? R.E. Emanuel, very successful guy. Not an MMA guy, Luke.

Okay, Mark Shapiro, not an MMA guy at the end of the day. Not fight promoters at the end of the day. Value extractors, okay? We got to wake up to this. Can we put the, just like we say about PFL, Don Davis, not a fight guy. Can we put the fight people in key positions to make fight decisions? There is like a health of the sport factor that matters. It just feels like TKO can't wait to sell this thing to the highest bidder right after they've ruined it. That's really what it feels like, but enough of that absolute BS, Luke. Yeah, I mean, I don't have anything to add to that. Again, I just want folks to be aware

there's a lot of thinking that like, oh, ESPN is done. They're not, but how they redo it, BC, is a, I think an enormous question. Looking forward to see what happens. But you'd agree it's playoff time as far as UFC broadcast rights negotiation right now. It's playoff time. Oh yeah it's out game seven. Absolutely. Well speaking of playoff time in pro basketball right now oh boy it's heating up big time. It is playoff time and if you're still just watching these playoff games let me tell you you're missing out because with pick six from DraftKings you can turn your hoops knowledge into real cash. Just make your picks, track your score.

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Look, it felt like you were directing people to a Soviet propaganda website there for a second, but I like your style. By the way, when it comes to the thunder at the moment, they turned Ant-Man into a mortal human being. You think they're gonna do the same to either the Pacers or the Knicks? Can't man is what they're calling him on NBA Twitter. SGA, baby, the MVP. He's good. He is good. Yeah I think so. I think that

the from what I can tell in my very expert opinion on. Well that's we're experts on this on this island sesto. Yeah. I'm the balance sesto king here. It does look like that the Thunder are the most complete team. Yeah they're on fire at the moment. Hey we have some breaking news and shout out to Long Island Luke who's running the ticker at the bottom of the screen with the updated weights here for Saturday night's apex card. The Ketlin Viera Macy's Shazan fight has been changed from a Bantam weight fight to a 145 pound fight. Luke, that would mean featherweight if they still had a featherweight division. Also the Trevin Giles versus Andreas Gustafsson fight is cancelled due to an injury with Giles. There you go.

You moved at all? You got any moves? I am not moved. All right. All right. Here we go. Let's find out Luke. Topic number three, if you're moved at all by the boxing that is going on.

News and notes. First and foremost, we'll head up where I'm going to be. Tomorrow night, Saturday night, 8 PM Eastern on prime video. Premier boxing champions is back with a four fight card featuring the likes of former middleweight champion, Caleb Plant in the main event against hard charging Armando Resendiz and how about Jamal Charlo in his first flight in two years and just his second and a four year stretch will return

at make his debut at 168 pounds against Thomas Cornflake Lamanna. Both are big betting favorites here. And of course the idea could be that we're building toward a grudge match playing out between Plant and Charlo if they both win here. But also shout out a very good fight in the middleweight division here is Kyron Davis, Luke, you know, a Stephen Bredman Edwards trained fighter on a Wilmington, Delaware, who upset Elijah Garcia, who, you know, gave a very tough fight to Anthony Durrell in a controversial draw a few years back, even pushed Benavides a little bit out of his weight class before Bredman threw in the

towel. He'll be taking on seven and oh Cuban unbeaten middleweight, Yuenly Hernandez. That's a very interesting fight that could have title implications moving forward. Luke, there is marination potential here where it could go wrong if Plant or Charlo lose. The tentative plan would be them fighting each other. But would you agree with me that seeing the state

of Jamal Charlo is at 35 years old, still unbeaten two division champion, but he's been through Helen back a couple times missed out on the Canelo fight on like two or three occasions. Yeah, he's a big favorite over Lamona, but we got to find out if he's still the same guy the hitman come Saturday night. Is he the one that got arrested for domestic violence recently? Yes. Yes.

He had a he had a rough divorce. He admitted to bipolar issues. He had substance abuse issues. He's been through hell and back. There's no doubt about it. Have you talked to him this week? Yeah, I talked to him in the fighter meetings. He was more calm than he's been in some of these press conference moments where he's

been very emotional and almost off kilter. But he does seem, here's one thing he said, Luke, and I want to get your feelings on this. He says this, I'm unbeaten. I've only fought once basically in a four year stretch. I didn't take damage in these fights. I got a ton of knockouts. He thinks that his mental has finally caught up to a point of maturity and understanding with his physical. And that at 35, he's about to enter his peak prime at 168 pounds. Man, I don't buy that.

I mean, he says he's even through all the hardships, he's been in been in the gym, always working out body is ready to go. He's got a lot of okay, okay, okay, fine. But like he fought twice in 2019. Once in 2020, once in 2021. And then not at all in 2022. Once in 2023 and didn't look good, then not at all in 2024. And this is his first fight in 2025. Like he's been super inactive. He's had, you know, law enforcement issues, substance abuse issues. Now he's not fighting as you indicated BC, like the toughest competition this time

out, it's all set up fight to get the plant one going and they couldn't just make it because Charlo, I mean, dude, I think they're making this fight. Like why is PBC making this fight? Because they they they need to see what the hell they've got with Charlo like what the hell is left with him you know what I mean? Plant to me seems like a pretty known and established and good commodity and if they can make the fight it obviously speaks for itself and how big it would be it'd be great but dude like this fight is I mean Charlo can say what he wants it's not like he's been taking a ton of damage all this time, so that's nice.

But in terms of like competitive realities, they've just been absent from his life. And I have- He's got a lot to answer for. He's got a lot to answer for. Oh yeah. Even if he gets an easy win, which is potential because his skills are better than Corrin Flake Lamana.

He's got a lot to answer with his mentality, with a lot of things to set up potential for that big plant fight. Luke Lamana old Cornflake has been a he's a fighter slash regional promoter. He got knocked out somewhat famously by one punch in the first round against Araslondy Lara a few years ago for a secondary middleweight title. He told me in the fighter means this week that after that fight, he ballooned to 238 pounds. He was heavily depressed.

He retired, he started smoking and drinking and eating bad. And then something triggered in him to make one more run. He's won his last nine fights, but all on the regional level. He is ranked in the top 10 in the WBA and he's gonna move up to 168. He's calling this a rocky story. He says he's all in. This is his last chance and last opportunity and he's been kind of cleverly pressing the buttons of Charlo.

You're not smelling upset, are you? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We'll see. We'll see. Let me ask you this, BC. How bad would it be? Forget about like making a fight after this. just for Charlo, how bad would this, like this would be, I mean,

I don't even know how to contextualize it. What would this mean for him? It would be a, it wouldn't be just be a flat tire. It'd be a monstrous setback for him. This would be a gigantic setback for him. I'll be honest, I'm a little bit worried about his mental health. Like-

He says he's fine now, but we've seen him, like he's been off kilter in a few of these press moments, you know, like a teleconference. Yeah, but the Charlos are always like that. Are they not like, they're always like, you know, mad at the world and. I am happy to say, I asked about Jermell, you know, cause their relationship as twin brothers

has been incredibly volatile at different points. And Jermall actually credits Jermell with him being able to get back in the ring right now because he said his brother was there every step of the way, got his back and it's good to see them for each other now as they both need big comebacks coming up here as Jermel's threatening coming back to a big fight himself. Luke, in that main event, we're gonna get Caleb Plant a big favorite over Armando Resendiz, but Armando Resendiz upset and knock out Jarrett Hurd a few years ago and he gave

Elijah Garcia a very tough fight until a late stoppage. This is going to be an interesting fight. Plant talked a lot of junk at the presser. He says he's coming out like crazy. Would you be fired up for a Plant-Charlo fight later in the year? Man, again, I can't get fired up about Charlo until so I see what the hell's going on. Also, you know, I mean, he's got real problems, but he's also got real problems to work on as like a person.

But okay, if you're just asking as a boxing fight, if he can look good, not just like get a win, I'm not talking about some bullshit ass win BC. I'm talking about like going there and make people like, wow, dude, Jam. Charlo is back. You then yes, I would have a lot of interest, but if you know if it ends up being where he gets one by and it's whatever and then plant gets a win and it's whatever.

Well, I mean, you know, I'll take a fight I suppose but it doesn't do much for me in that regard. Charles one fight in the last four years was a decision win over Jose Benavides Jr. Who moved up and wait for that. A 10 rounder. Yeah, pretty strong performance, but it unfortunately didn't lead to the momentum. And Plant said, look, I got to take this fight against Reyes and Dees because this is the path I have at the moment to get to a big fight.

And for him, that big fight is either Charlo, he also called out Munguia, who we'll get into in a second, as well as wanting a rematch with Canelo. Because don't forget, Plant will be defending the interim Super Middleweight title here. Canelo is still the undisputed champion after the win over Williams School. So Caleb Plant, not that far out of that if he can get some big wins.

So the odds, by the way, for Charlo, according to DraftKings, minus 1,400, the favorite to the plus 750 Lamanna. Luke, there's also a Ring Magazine report that they're gonna announce the full July 19th pay-per-view card during the broadcast on Saturday that could include Pacquiao Bar Barrios, of course in the main event Fundora Zoo part two in the co-main event for the 154 title then Brandon Figueroa and an exciting comeback fight And how about the rematch of pitbull cruising on on healthy arrow from earlier this year?

I'm in if this is where they're going, Luke. And by the way, call me. I'm ready. Let's call. Yeah. I mean, I'll be honest. Pacquiao coming back does nothing for me, but I suspect for boxing fans it does. And you know, he is a name. Um, you know, who knows? He can win. Luke. I doubt he's training with just tricking chicken and broccoli. You know who knows if he can win Luke. I doubt he's training with just tricking chicken and broccoli. You know you never know. So we'll see. We'll see. I will say that the

rest of that card looks great. Yeah. And again the Fundora Zoo too. That's a huge fight for Tim Zoo. I mean I can't get that one wrong at all fight. So I love that. Do you think that he's putting Glenn Buter all over his broccoli? And I make no claims about things I don't have evidence for. I'm just saying, would it be surprised if Vada showed up at his door and was like, well, you know. By the way, we're going to get to the Mongia news in a second. But did you see that rant from Jamal Charlo after the press conference yesterday where he basically said every fighters on on the stuff and even went as far as saying that there's regular fixed fights in boxing and that fighters sort of agree to

Yeah, I did see that. Yeah, that was very, very Is there any similarity between the Charlo's in boxing and the Diaz's in MMA? to some degree that is an interesting comparison. Not as famous, not as infamous, but kind of really good fighters can win at any moment, also kind of off-kilter, sometimes delightfully, sometimes dangerously. Yeah, yeah.

There are meaningful differences, obviously. Do you remember when we sat down with Jamal Charlo in 2023 at one of those Showtime weigh-ins? I think it was for Plant versus Benavides. And he was, it was like early in the morning and he was. He was hammered. He was, he was getting loose in turn four, Luke. I had people write me about that being like, was he okay?

And I'm like, I think he was fine in the sense that he was just, I think he was just enjoying Vegas, unfortunately. Could be, could be. Luke, we also have more breaking news from Long Island Luke in this Apex card is falling the fuck apart man. Alan Nascimento missed wait for his flyweight bout He came in two and a half or technically one and a half pounds over that one plus one limit there Interesting stuff Luke staying in boxing right here Teo female Lopez had another weird week on the internet. Uh,

no racist comments. I think this time, uh, no hard ours, but give it time. He did have a very public squabble. It seems with Turkey, allah chic, according to Dan Rayfield of fight freaks unites reporting here. And he has three sources on the record. Originally tail female Lopez was offered a large amount of money for a fight against Jaron Boots Ennis for the unified welterweight title. Boots Ennis turned down the fight. Then Teofimo went to Twitter, kind of ran his mouth a little bit, and then was offered, according to Rayfield, a Devin Haney fight as a replacement, but the fight offer in terms of a purse was smaller than the guarantee for boots ennis that led to turkey or to tail femo calling turkey al ashik a dictator on twitter with the d i c k in dictator

all capitalized and it led to some cryptic tweets from turkey kind of being you know pointing out how crazy tayo is then tayo said he got fired I don't really know what to make of this if Teo Fimo sabotaged another opportunity or if he just doesn't want to fight Haney in comparison to the increased history he can make by moving up and fighting the best guy in Boots. What do you make of all of this from Teo's antics to Boots not wanting the fight? Can we still make Lopez Haney? Is it still the fight to make her to people that people not even care about that? They would care about either of them, no. They would care about Lopez Haney and they would care about Lopez Boots. I guess my thing is this. I had two questions for UBC because I just don't understand this. One, my understanding was they wanted to make the Haney and Lopez fight at 45, not 47. Why the weird catch weight?

And then secondly, why would Boots turn this down? I don't like, there's, cause he's gonna do what? Take on the Brian Norman finally? Like what, what, what is the logic there? Like why, why is it, why would you imagine that Boots would look at that situation and be like, that's not in my interest right now? Well, there are some that are guessing it's,

why am I going to reward this guy who's using racism against African Americans to try to bait them into fights? That's one thing. Another thing is Boots is finally starting to get the people in his own division to fight him for titles, right? He had the unification with Staniosis and he looked absolutely brilliant. I don't believe a Brian Norman boots fight is easy to make and is necessarily up next, but if that was the direction he was trying to go, whether it be get the other champion in Norman or the other other champion, meaning Mario Barrios and whoever wins between him and Pacquiao on July 19th, maybe he's holding out to try to get bigger opportunities to further unify the titles. Or maybe he just hates Teo, I don't know. We don't really have an explanation at this point.

But I wonder if the Teo thing is, and I'm just speaking out personally here, what does he have to gain from fighting Heaney, especially at a catch way? Teo has a title at 140, but he thrives on being that guy who goes into a new division and calls out the toughest guy in jail on the first night. He did that against Lomachenko. He did that against Josh Taylor at 140. Now he wants to do that against Boots at 147.

But that fight's not gonna happen so we got offered less to fight Haney at a catchweight August 16th in Riyadh. So Luke you know here's the deal. We've been in boxing with Turkey for a while now. When it comes to Fury versus Usyk, Better BV versus BeVaul, you know, all these heavyweights that all emanate from Europe or what have you, you put those fights in Riyadh if that's the only way that can be made, fine.

But if you're gonna do another ounce of bullshit here involving big American stars and you're gonna put them in Riyadh in front of 3,000 people like what are we doing here if that's part of the motivation for Teo who Aggressively wants to be a star wants to be a guy who's constantly stirring things up all over social media We're not building our stars if they're fighting on Dazon in Riyadh at 7 in the morning in front of 3,000 people So maybe this is the start of pushing back against that. Do you find any part of that to be potentially interesting?

I don't... Do these guys really care about fighting in Saudi Arabia if the money's right? I mean, they had a thought. Maybe one or two paydays, but don't you get to a point where you're like, I'm trying to be a star. I'm trying Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like as a hiatus. Yeah, I'll take a big paycheck there Maybe another big paycheck here, but what I really want to be something bigger than larger than life I can't do fighting in Saudi Arabia and it's a little bit of a pushback on that boy. I would hope so I mean the American market needs it there I don't even know who the next big star is in boxing that like market needs it. I don't even know who the next big star is in boxing that like,

American fans, even American sports fans, even dude, I've never seen boxing more divorced from the larger sports world than I do now. Yes. I can't, but in all my time covering boxing, which, you know, I'm not as in the weeds as you have been BC, but I've been doing it for a little while anyway. I've never seen it as far away from the rest of the sports world, quite literally and figuratively as it is today. And I can't imagine that's good for it long-term, certainly not in this market. I would hope that the fighters are pushing back, recognizing that it's great

to get a couple of paydays, but this comes at a pretty heavy cost. Well, I'm just wondering, cause you know, if you're trying to get in Teo Fimo's head and it's probably and it's probably a mess in there, we do know that he wants attention. And if you recall in the build to that Times Square card, he was aggressively trying to fight for attention at these press conferences, because everything was about Ryan Garcia and Haney,

because they were building to that. He also ran on the card. He was constantly trying to stir things up and yelling at the other guys going, "'You're not promoting hard enough. Then he goes into that fight. It's a debacle in terms of the viewership and all that. He's the only one that fights pretty well. And all everybody's talking about is Haney Garcia and Rowley and how they screwed up a Times Square card. Like he's not even getting the attention, the exposure for a big win in there.

I wonder if he's looking around going like, what am I gonna gain from Haney who just proved that he's willing to fight as boring as possible to get a win? Yeah, I don't know about that theory. Boring titles at stake either against Haney in this catch way fight. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know. I see. So you're not getting the same kinds of thing. I mean, I really believe it could be just as simple as atmosphere and

atmosphere matters and having know, having a fight in Philly if it's against boots or having a fight and where's where's Haney from? Oakland, Haney, yeah, yeah, lives in somewhere around there for for to get a live atmosphere and then to therefore get the best out of it. I mean, I'm less convinced by the catch weight being a problem, but it's interesting that to see.

I mean, Teo's the thing is cash weight being a problem. But it's interesting that to see, I mean, Teo's, the thing is, it's hard to really know, right? Because Teo's such a loose cannon that his pushback feels like half strategic and then half erratic, and it's hard to know what's what about it. And he's also kind of pulled shit on top rank in the past and is never afraid to put himself in a bad light with them. That's right. He's on his side with all his promoters. That's right. He's all he's got is promoters. That's right. Yeah.

So we don't know if this is a real beef between him and Turkey and this is the first chance we get of someone not not someone on the other side like Canelo and Tank were when they were arguing with Turkey someone on the inside who's fighting with him here though is some sound from tail and we can decide what we believe on this. We don't apologize. We just show love, all right? I love you, Turkey. I wanna love you.

I wanna love you so good, Turkey. Every two rights. All diddy. I wanna love you. Every day and every night. We'll be together I'll hold your hand like Crawford did Now he did say all diddy there Luke, so I mean I don't know if things are good in Turkey land with him but Combat sports is f'd up right now

I'll hold your hand like Turkey did that's a like Crawford did that is uh that's fine Dude combat sports is f'd up at the moment Oh dude combat sports is a disaster right now It's an absolute disaster and I know who to blame. There's a few people. I know all of them. Okay. That's just my point on this. Yeah. LBBC MK. That's it. That's who's at fault. Let's continue down the boxing road here of weird news. Jaime Mongia who was fresh off a decision went over Bruno Serrace in the rematch after being knocked out in a huge upset has tested positive throuvada for exogenous teres testosterone. Excuse me. But Luke, here's the key. That was his first fight under Canelo Alvarez, trainer and manager, Eddie

Reynoso, making it the sixth Eddie Reynoso fighter in like the last five or six years to pop dirty. Let's show the the Juice poster. If we can skip that, go to the meme here of the fantastic early 90s hip hop movie Juice. We have Canelo, Oscar Valdez, Andy Ruiz, Ryan Garcia. There was also Julio Martinez, I believe. What about Luis Neri? Yeah, there's been a few here, Luke. So we'll get into the comments from Seres in a second. But first and foremost, everyone's pointing fingers at Eddie. I mean, even Memo Heredia, a known PED supplier, is pointing fingers.

And now this is giving everybody the room. And we've seen people come out and continue to attack snack and Victor Conti. We got a drug problem. We already knew that. But Eddie's got a real drug problem in that camp, it seems, it appears. I mean, again, Eddie Macy Barber missed weight. Come on. That's awesome.

She came in at 126.5, so a half pound over. She was gonna need the box, so she could probably make it, but's awesome. She came in at 126.5 so I have found over. She's gonna need the box so she could probably make it but Jesus Christ. All right. BC, I mean you listen, I'm not gonna rehash my worldview on drugs and sports for the millionth time but what I will say is this. If you've had six people while they've worked with you, pop for some kind of performance enhancing drug, you are not entitled to the benefit of the doubt. Like you have surrendered it at that point. I mean, you can decide ultimately what it all means or doesn't in the end, people can make their opinions,

but I'm just trying to be clear. That's the kind of thing that is so outrageous and so over the top. You are not allowed to push back and say, the testing was bad, we're targeted, it's unfair. I wanna be clear about something BC, in these cases, Ryan Garcia, Canelo Alvarez, Jaime Munguia and other ones,

these are typically not always not always these are either a Main event guys or be a sides in main event guys I mean doesn't mean I guess Garcia was the B side relative to Devin Haney, but you understand my point we're not talking about people who are like disadvantaged in the fight game who are under the thumb of Some kind of other force that they're trying to act around. These are people with the wind at their back, irrespective of what kind of drugs

you think they are or aren't using. If you have this much of a problem, you have earned your reputation many times over, and there's nothing else you can say about it. It is yours to now hold. Well, the Ring Magazine put out the statement that Jaime Munguia put out in a video in Spanish was translated here. First, there's Bruno Seres, the opponent who says, I'm shocked by the news that Munguia tested positive.

There's no place in boxing for cheating. The sport is dangerous enough already. I went to Mexico and knocked out Munguia fair and square in December, and I was gracious enough to give him a rematch in May. He knew he could not beat me on a level playing field. I trust that this result will be overturned immediately. Also, we have Ring Magazine put out, we're not going to show it on the screen, but I can read it to you. Munguia's statement there said, throughout my boxing career, I've undergone numerous anti-doping tests and have never tested positive. I was tested twice during camp and both results came back negative, which is why receiving this notification of an adverse finding has me in complete surprise.

Several experts have explained that there are multiple ways contamination can occur, and I am fully willing to undergo any retroactive current or future testing to demonstrate that I have always been a clean athlete. I will not make any further comments on this matter until the process is concluded with the results of the B sample. Luke, the odds will tell you that his B sample is probably going to be the same result here. I know everybody can claim tainted me or whatever, but I'm happy that more people are finally coming out, including Chris Algeria on the Inside Boxing Live podcast with the Ankenobia and was basically like look heads up

people all your favorite fighters are probably juicing. Yeah I mean who's been saying this BC as long as you've known them who's been saying this to you? All the heroes of the last 20 years have like let's wake up to that but I don't know what do you make of Jamal Charlo making that rant saying specifically about snack that all their supplements that they give you have just shy of like, you know how like Delta eights are a trick to be able to sell THC over the counter at a gas station remove a molecule to me. Yeah. He's saying the same thing is happening with for example, Victor Conte snack. And by the way, tank Davis, Devin Haney, they've all been on record for years. You know, shouting negatively out at snack. But is this is this going to do make any? We're not going to make any change

because people want to make fights at the end of the day and drug tests stop the fights from happening. Don't say boxing has bigger issues than whether Munguia use drugs. Boxing has issues like as anyone. Does anyone still give a fuck about this sport? Like it's not again is ESPN reporting on this on front page news? I mean

when was the last time boxing was front page news on ESPN at all? Like it's an inside the bubble thing. It's a question about like how the inside the community feels but like you know I keep trying to explain to people drugs are here. It's not that you can't do anything about it but you just have to recognize that fact. They're not going to go away. You can't make them go away. You have to reconcile what it means that drugs are here. Drugs win the drug war every time news at 11 and breaking news from the apex. Luke Macy, Barbara, they got her in the box.

She officially missed the weight inside the box will not weigh in again. We're probably going to see her lose a percentage of her purse toward Aaron Blanchfield. But Luke, we just gassed up Barbara as a plus underdog with the idea that a big win could lead her to a title shot. How bad of a look is this to, uh, to have that just that little extra weight on you that you couldn't. Yeah. So I mean, even if she goes in there and blows the doors off Blanchefield, she missed weight. Natalia Silva is going to be number one contender, so there you go. Now if Blanchefield does the opposite, a little more interesting,

could be a little more interesting, but Barbara now officially has put herself behind the eight ball. Yeah, I mean remember, if you're auditioning for a title shot, you're not even going to get the one pound allowance, much less one and a half. You got to make one 25 on the nugget. So problem. Yeah. I'm on the ball on the balls on the, on the, on the, on the bong Island dad nutsack. You got to get right there. Yeah. Long Island. Luke, what are, what is your thoughts here on Macy Barbara? This is a bad look on women's MMA. We were just, this fight was supposed to save women's MMA. Yeah. she didn't look great on the scale either. By the way, you mentioned like she's got to make championship weight going forward. Erin nailed it on the head 125. So yeah, see what

I mean? Also the Ketlin Vieira, Macy Chazan fight. Now granted they could just move it up a weight. They moved it to 45, but it looked like they were headed for for not making weight either I'm thinking it was on Ketland's end only because she weighed in at 146 and Macy weighed in at one fine fair enough I'm just saying like they still have to accommodate them. Yeah, I'm doing this Whereas they you're like, oh why couldn't they move the fight between Blanchfield and Barbara up to 35? Well, because they're auditioning for a fucking title shot. You got to make the weight Yeah, you got to make the weight people. Okay Okay. You gotta pass the drug test and make the weight. Listen, get the diarrhea that I have. You're gonna make weight. I mean, you revealed Luke. I don't know if you're against me, you know, bringing this news to the forefront. Yeah, yeah, don't don't don't don't. Hey, some things I tell you in confidence.

Wow, even Luke Thomas has limits of personal sharing. Wow. Okay. All right. Let me, let me spoil. It was gross people. Thank you very much. But we love Luke and his insights.

Luke, those are our topics here. We're going to transition to our fun. Well, they could be fun. They could be damning if we screwed up. These are our fan segments and you can enter the sweepstakes of showing up in our fan segments by emailing the show at warning Combat at gmail.com tell Mikey we said hi do not show him pictures of your tripod Thank you very much. We will start off with a segment that puts us on trial Hey, we speak into a microphone a lot. Sometimes we say bullshit. Sometimes we're just dead wrong

Then wrong Hey, we speak into a microphone a lot. Sometimes we say bullshit. Sometimes we're just dead wrong Whose voice is that for the record? I always ask that who is that? I don't know. I'm thinking it's AI I really don't know. Yeah. All right. All right. Oh, it is a I shouldn't have any AI intros unless you're funny Look, what do you think about Elon Musk on ketamine? All right, well, wrong. Ketamine? Ketamine was the beginning of his problems. I mean, that motherfucker was doped. All right, both Dave and Kane wrote in,

I'm not sure who this one was, maybe Dave. He says, BC, you are dead wrong. During the over under segment last Friday, when talking about PFL moving the Africa event, you said it was the same day as Usyk Dubois 1. How many gummies were in your tummy? This would be Usyk versus Dubois 2. Love the show, but get this shit right. All right. If I said one, I will take the L. And let me think back. Yeah, there was a decent amount of gummies in my tummy during that episode,

just so you know. All right. There we go. Look, I have taken the L. Thank you. Alright, very good. Okay, let's hear from Casey. He says, Bonjour, donks on the May 19th episode at about the two hour 11 minute mark. BC asks LT what his thoughts are on the great Tim Bradley's

remarks that Teo Fimo was quote, too athletic for boots and us LT rightfully says that he doesn't quote by that, but you are both dead wrong if BC actually listened to the Tim Bradley. Instead of letting his mind wander to thoughts of straw weights and gas station hot dogs, he would have heard Bradley say the quote, too most athletic, not TOO too athletic. Honestly, I don't blame BC too much as I imagine he's left many of brain cells in Too most athletic, not TOO too athletic.

Honestly, I don't blame BC too much as I imagine he's left many of brain cells in the factory town he came from, true. But shame on you, Luke, MMA journalism's greatest spelling bee champ should do a better job of keeping your boy in line. All jokes aside, love you guys, keep up the great work. Also bring back high court says Casey. So Luke, I guess I have to take the L because I wasn't listening close enough to Tim Bradley,

so I'm over 2 today, but you want to address this gentleman's offer of us bringing back high court. I'd love to bring back high court. I never wanted to go away. We just didn't. We never flushed out the concept. OK, alright, we gotta get a studio

that can play that game too, right? We could just do high court on, you know what? Like one of these days when there's like nothing going on and instead of doing a Friday show, we can just do a morning combat, you know, Friday high court. With the dishonorable Chuck Mindenhall or should we sub Ken, our sound guy in there who's like so chemically advanced?

I mean, who's more chemically advanced, Elon Musk or Ken in the back? I honestly, it's a competition. I love when we come in and Ken's wearing the winter parka with like the fur around the head piece. Oh yeah. He's all, yeah, that guy's the best. All right.

Let's go to a final. Did Nadir come into studio with a bigger drink he could spill all over the keyboard, I wonder. Nadir's the best. Luke, our final one comes from Daz, right? Daz, back up on that ass and give these motherfuckers a blast from the past. Aloha, Donk says Daz. On Friday's episode, after losing MK Jeopardy, BC announces he will have to,

quote, pay the piper Wednesday, July 4th for the pregame preview episode with Aaron Bronstetter by wearing a shirt of LT's Choosing. Hey BC, if MK fans tune in on July 4th, they will have missed this episode by a month as the episode is on Wednesday, June 4th. A little pedantic, but okay. Not July 4th, which is a Friday this year. Always grateful for the entertaining content. Mahalo, it's Daz.

Luke, that's over three. And by the way, all three of those seconds, those, those losses were pulled at the end of the show. When the Delta H really kick in. So, you know, it is what it is. I'll also say this, you know, listen, the, the, the, the listeners, the viewers, they're like the refs. Sometimes they call it Tiki tack fouls. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes it, sometimes they let, they're like the refs. Sometimes they call it tiki-tac fouls.

You know what I'm saying? Sometimes they let the boys play. Sometimes they call the fouls a little aggressively. You know, it's one of those ones that they call them a little aggressively. Luke, speaking of June 4th pregame preview, will you have a shirt for me to wear? I will.

I've talked to Long Island Luke about it, so he knows about it as well. Are you having one created or are you? I'm having one created, yes. Will it involve abortion rock? Will it involve abortion rock? No, no, I don't think so. Okay, hopefully it'll involve straw weights.

Maybe abortion, but maybe not abortion. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. All right, those are dead wrongs and I really took it on the A there. We have a final fan segment that is you sending in your pictures of your significant others in tight t-shirts or maybe your artwork.

This one's called Fan Submissions. You've got mail. Viewers. Shout out to Gaffney Jim Pierre for voicing that. Luke, real quick on the new DMs from Donk's intro Shout out to Gaffney Jim Pierre for voicing that. Luke, real quick on the new DMs from Donk's intro that doesn't have the animal getting milked. The fans aggressively want that back.

Your thoughts. Nocita, your thoughts too. What are we doing here? I said from the start we shouldn't have got rid of it. I think we need it back. All right, we'll see what I mean. If they really want to bring it back, we can bring it back. I just hate it. It is gross. It is really gross, but it's probably like the 15th most grossest thing that happens on the show week to week. I mean, you know, it's, you know, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's, it's

the fans really want it. We can bring it back. I'll put it. Okay. All right. But if the fans really want me to talk more directly about your bottles, we have to draw the line. We have to. Okay. Yeah. I've had enough of that. All right. I'm gonna have to shit after the show, by the way. That would be a, okay. Oh, let's go to our first fan sub from Jeff. He says my first sleeve of tattoos, all water themed animals, the octopus choking the shark represents Ilya choking Islam. Luke Thomas, rate that tat, dude. Yeah, that's pretty, the scales on the bicep

look pretty good, the octopus, it's hard to tell if this far out, because this is a heel tattoo, but it looks pretty good. Now, do you think that guy knows where the gym is too? Yeah, may have seen his way inside the bicep, you know, curl machine a couple of times. Good deltoid definition there.

Okay, I mean, you want to bang this guy? What's going on over there? Maybe his significant other, Luke. I haven't scouted it close enough yet. All right, there we go. Again, BC is going to make a secondary show where he just bangs the wives of girlfriends of our listeners. Oh, wow. Cuck versus buck coming your way. This one's from Nathan. He says, What is it, hoes? Not sure if you'll

remember. But I wrote in a while back to tell you that I had just moved to DC from the West Coast to start law school at GWU. Oh shit. I'm writing in again nearly three years later to let you know that I've managed to overcome my intellectual handicap of being an MMA fan and have completed my law degree, repping MK merch all the while. Later this year I'll be moving to NYC to begin my legal career. So hit me up when BC inevitably gets caught up for public intoxication after one too many whippets in the Penn Station bathroom. I'm incredibly grateful for what you both do. You donks are the best podcasters and analysts in the game and even greater guys never met them.

Technical difficulties and all. Nobody does it like y'all. Luke, this is Nathan and he could very well turn into our legal counsel if MK falls into some issues moving forward. Yeah, we might need that. That's cool, man. I'm not over on this part of town very often, so I don't get by the law school all that regularly, but this is definitely interesting to see and congratulations on making it through law school and just in time for the country to turn into a dictatorship really quite useful well

done Nathan reach out to us when you get into there to NYC brother good luck to you appreciate you repping us in that regard and also we may have to call you here we'll see what happens we have a one from Joe he says BC and Reggie Jackson could have some fun behind Arby's with these. Wow. Those are catnip. I might try those. Do you think I think Reggie has the personality where he would definitely get high? Get high. Reggie's got the personality

that he would wait in the back of a piggly wiggly parking lot for his dealer to show up circa 1989. You should see that dude on catnip. He is wild. Yeah, dude. That's hilarious. Unbelievable. Great stuff there, Joe. Here comes Scott with a photo. He says, hashtag them. K go is back. The MK go.

The MK go is back. Yes. Oh my god. John, please tell me more about your thirties because uh yeah this is great. Luke, did you see the Aspinal and Craig Jones uh video making fun of this? I did. I did and then he says it's a Jones thing. You know what I mean? Can you go back to that picture? I want to see it one more time please. That is so good. It's a little it's a little can be honest with you, but it is funny. It's quite funny. Finally, we have a man who has really used this platform to show us his art on a regular basis. He also supports us on our YouTube channels. It's the great Alan W. who's got a few photos for us. The first one is called alien donkulous. Okay is this because no yes is this because I was talking about the movie? Yes it is yes it is that is all right this is interesting donkulous is a funny name I'm with it

I'm with it that is a creepy looking spider crab thing on her face Luke. Have you not seen alien? Not a while not a long time. Yeah, so that's that's That's how the alien produces other aliens Disgusting. All right. He has another one called vaping is for closers. Oh Can we get that on a shirt? Can we hook up this design, please? Where's Long Island Luke? You know something about it I'm right here. Maybe maybe we could do something about that. That is sick I swear if you put that shirt out tomorrow, it sells out. I swear that. That is sick. I swear if you put that shirt out tomorrow It sells out. I swear that is that is sick. Oh hell. Yeah, I love that Also from Alan W. This is front front lawn gym

front yard, Jim Lee shit balls Wow Established 1979 in India Luke Luke's front yard gymnasium Wow That's actually not too dissimilar from how it looks. Actually, with the DC flag in the background and you know, I mean, that's a little bit more artistic license being taken there, but you ain't lifting that much weight. Sure, I have. If it's 500 pounds, of course, are you using Jose Aldo technique or more like Phil Simms pull-up technique? Well, both of those are shit technique. Or shob bench technique, Luke. Like what? Shob on the bench.

Yeah, like half reps, like three quarter reps. With your ass and stomach in the air? Your butt can come off the air upon certain parts of it. Just not just not all the time. But this ain't Texas. This ain't no hoedown. But the jobs are doing. They move. They move to Texas. Look, congratulations. All right. Oh my God. Shout out to Basti. All right. Also from Alan W. We have one more. It says LT Keeping BC on the right track. My first hot dog. Excuse me, my hot dog has a first name. It's OSC BOP. You have a fatty liver. Holy shit. I don't get what I don't get what you were trying to spell though.

Oh, Oscar Meyer. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, SCAR. You know that song Luke from the from the ad. That is hilarious. I definitely don't do that's like right on the art. I'm making us look like ourselves. I mean, look at me with the just for men dye job right there. And also his is pretty accurate of me too. I've got the only hair that's got color left on my face is my eyebrows and mustache. Yes. A lot of people still wondering if the drapes match the carpet. Luke, right? You know, it's

really gross but that was... Well, let's put it this way. I have white hairs all over my body. Does that answer your question? Hopefully not. Also, Ellen W, thank you for your submissions. That was great. Thank you, folks, for fanning them in. You can also reach us at morningcombat at gmail.com. Those are great. Those are really great. Well done. Make fansubs great again. You just did. Thank you very much we appreciate that to all of you. We appreciate all of you for tuning in today. Look we just have this ability to stretch absolute bullshit into two hours of fine content if you don't mind. It takes years of broadcasting to figure out how to take absolute nothing and turn it into more

of nothing. It's a lot like Billy Ho from, from white man can't jump, right? It's hard. God damn work. Making something this pretty looks so, yeah. Right. So what are you doing this weekend? I will be calling fights Saturday night. What am I saying? A prime video from the, yeah.

From the Michelob ultra arena. So check it out. So that's what? That's Mandalay Bay? That is Mandalay Bay. And also, also, I believe Carmel Moton is also on this card. I don't know if it's televised, but Floyd Mayweather's big prospect is also. Now do they got you doing triple duty like normal? I won't be scoring the fights this time, but I will be doing color commentary and in-ring interviews. So let's get fired up. All right. And prelim card or not doing prelim card? No prelim card it'll be Moro Ranallo, Abner Morris, myself and friend of the program Ray Flores will be handling ringside reporting. Nice,

shots to Ray. Is he still doing one? I don't know I'll ask him I'll see him. I don't I don't recall seeing him there recently but I've not been paying close attention so I don't know. Yeah yeah I know he hosted the press conference and stuff this week for PBC. So shout out to Ray. His brother has been doing a great job in his absence as well. Shout out. Yeah. There you go. Shout out 8 p.m. Eastern prime video Saturday night. Luke Thomas, what do you have to tell the people? An encouraging message, something inspiring? I took Tuques and we got a new library card. How about that? It looks like a pack of menthols. Okay, nice, yeah.

I got a library card. She loves the library. We like going to the library. Now, on Espanol? English. Okay. Yeah, I mean, she gets plenty of that with other folks. And for me, I, what am I

going to do? I want to teach her Spanish. My Spanish blows. You ain't teaching her nothing. What about, um, uncle Pepe? Is he still laying pipe? Uh, he's currently traveling. So I'm not even sure where he's at right now. Would you say he's just a gigolo everywhere he goes? No, no, I'm told that there was a significant other, so we'll see. Oh, wow. We got it. You know other, so we'll see. Wow. Yeah. We got it. Can we run picks on the show and just-

No, absolutely not. You horrible human. What is that shirt you're wearing? It's an old pro wrestling tag team, the Vaudevillians, Luke, from NXT back in the mid 2010s. Like Vaudeville? Yeah, yeah, it's like a deep cut. It's a real pro wrestling deep cut. You know, it's like one of Luke if he's gonna be boyfriend of the year again you're going to be. under certain conceptions of it. Yes. Alright. Alright. Let's ask

Long Island Luke if he's going to be boyfriend of the year again this Saturday boyfriend of the year by providing for this family by streaming on Saturday night. You're damn right. Also want to remind the folks tune in Monday's episode

11 AM big merch announcement. That's right. That's right. Wow. Alright. Fired up. What a let's go. Let's live our best lives this year. Okay. Let me ask you this before we go. What's your travel plan for the way back? Are you getting a hotel? No, we're not going on Monday. We're going on Wednesday. Oh, that's right. You're at home. That's right. I'm sorry. What am I saying? Remote episode Monday. Final reminder, folks. Wednesday,

11 AM Eastern at morning combat on YouTube. It's pregame preview UFC 316 brought to you by Cuervo. What are you expecting from Bronson here? Will he shoot? Will he shoot with us? Andrew dice clay machismo. That's what I'm expecting. Will he shoot?

We're shooters Luke. That's a question only he can answer. Okay, okay. But if he doesn't, we're gonna have his ass. So let's say that Wow. Okay. Well, I'll let that man's ass be You know, that's just fine with me. Okay, that's how I roll All right I have to carry mine to the commode before I have problems in my dungaree up. I'm putting the dung in dungarees Yeah, you're gonna have to change those again this morning. All right enough. They follow us below Thank you. Like subscribe tell a friend whatever either way we're still gonna be

here guys we're still coming with this thing okay you can't stop it and if you do we're gonna call Nathan to be our lawyer for Long Island Luke for Luke Thomas your boy BC have a great weekend enjoy the fights uh they got chicks in a main event. Two chicks at one time. It's going to be great Saturday night. Watch me on Prime Video at 8 p.m. Eastern on Saturday. We are out of here. All the smoke fight is headed to the Hall of Fame. That's right.

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