MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC Fight Night: Hill Stops Santos | Adesanya vs. Pereira OFFICIAL | Ep 333

Episode Date: August 8, 2022

On Episode 333 of Morning Kombat, BC is BACK as the boys break down this weekend UFC Fight Night results. Jamahal Hill finished Thiago Santos in the fourth round. Is he finally ready for the top of the division now? Plus, Geoff Neal stopped Vicente Luque. How important was this win? ALSO, the boys react to the big news that Israel Adesanya vs. Alex Pereira is now official for MSG in November. (15:11) - Hill Stops Santos (34:15) - Geoff Neal (56:15) - Adesanya vs. Pereira (69:30) - PFL Playoffs (76:55) - Boxing Roundup (86:45) - DM's from Donks Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is Morning Combat. It is Monday, the 8th of August, 2022, and the king is dead. Long live the king. Hi, everybody. It's time for Morning Combat. I am merely one half of your unbelievably piece of shit washed host duo. My name is Luke Thomas. I join you from the capital of the status unitos here in Washington,

D.C. I mean, could I look like I've been in the trunk of a car the last 48 hours more? I don't think so. But the man who is to my left, the right of your screen, he is fresh off of vacaciones. It's Brian Campbell, the King of Connecticut. Hi, BC. Welcome back, buddy. Thank you for welcoming me back, Luke. I'm happy to be here. I was happy to unplug for a week. I know the fans did not like that. I got a little rock lobster here. Pro tip, Luke, don't take a Caribbean cruise in the summer unless you want to sweat and complain the whole time. But outside of that, good times, great oldies. And, you know,

we got the drink package this time for the first time, Luke, to try to see if it's worth it, you know? So I drank a lot. And that's not always, like, a pretty sight. You know what I mean? What does the drink package offer you? Like, everywhere you go, you can just have drinks? Well, there's tiers to it.

There's a mid-level package, which allows you to drink anything. The only thing you get for free, drink-wise, is water, shitty coffee, and, like, non-flavored iced tea. So if you go to the next level, you get good coffee and soda. And then you go to the next level, it's all you can drink except for the top shelf bar. So I went full. I went full Monty this time. All right.

I broke even. I drank enough to break even. But did I really break even, Luke, or did I lose in the end? That's really what my family and my liver are going to have to ask themselves after this. Did you see any cool sights? Any vacation standouts to you? I did the water park at Atlantis in the Bahamas. Very, very famous, Luke.

It's legit. It's intense. It's great. And I spent a lot of time in the jazz club, Luke. So I was doing the old guy thing. It was good. It was good. But, Luke, you know, here's the deal. I got the it club, Luke. So I was doing the old guy thing. It was good. It was good. But Luke, you know, here's the deal.

I got the itch the whole week. I love unplugging. I love being with my family. I love making memories. But I'm there thinking, you know, how's Chuck's chemistry with Luke? Is Danny Segura on today? I didn't have internet access for like seven days, Luke. So I'm really happy to be back because you know i was made for

this shit this is what i do you know this red light comes on right whatever this is yeah you know uh well we're happy to have you back certainly there is uh no one quite like you for better or for worse so we're excited for monday's show here uh let's see on the docket today what do we have bc we have the ufc fights from the weekend we have some On the docket today, what do we have, BC? We have the UFC fights from the weekend. We have some of the PFL fights from Friday. We have some boxing results. Plus, we hadn't done it all last week. Any of the stuff where you're related to it, which, by the way, includes fan subs and includes

Dead Wrong, so it actually affects the whole week. But today we'll get to have you seen this shit. Hey, correct me if I'm wrong. I skimmed your work in my absence, and obviously I shout out Chuck Mindenhall, Danny Segura. Do you have anybody else on last week? Oh, Rashad Evans, who was fantastic. You made up a couple new segments. You had fun.

You reached out a little. You stretched, Luke, right? Yeah, well, we had to get creative in the absence of the old B-Sizzle, so we did. And some of it worked, some of it didn't, but maybe some stuff we can bring back. The good fan, bad fan thing seemed to be a winner. People seemed to like that one. Alright. I look forward to touching it one day. And oh, Luke, tell the people

this week, bro, we're back! Yes, so obviously BC and I are doing the show from our homes today, but we are headed to the studios tomorrow. Now, of course, there is no live MK show tomorrow, but we're going to put a bunch of stuff in the tank. There will be a live MK show Wednesday from the studios, and then more content we're going to record after the show as well.

So we're going to put a bunch of stuff in the pot, so to speak, so we can get a good MK stew for the month of August. Oh, I love it. And Luke, happy 43rd birthday to you last Friday. I didn't tell the world about it. You know what I'm really not good at, Luke? I'm good at receiving the happy birthdays on Facebook. I'm never good about giving.

I'm really an old, selfish piece of shit, apparently. But I will say, Luke, thank you for making it another year. Did you do anything fun? How are you doing? I told my wife specifically that I'm a little bit burned out, to be perfectly honest with you. Like, just burned out in every way that i'm a little bit burned out to be perfectly honest with you like just burned out in every way burned out professionally burned out personally i just need a break which i have one coming up here but i just told her i wanted something very simple i

didn't want to do a whole lot i i um i kept it very very easy so she found me a place in the city that serves this detroit style pizza do you know Detroit-style? Is that... Okay, I'll hold that joke back. We would have got shut down for that. No, Luke, I don't know what Detroit-style pizza is. Detroit-style is kind of like deep dish in the sense that it's not thin crust, but they don't serve it in a pot like it's pizza lasagna.

They serve it in squares, chunks of squares like that. So it's like thick crust squares. She took me to a place in D.C. that specializes in them, and it was, I mean, off the charts amazing. Wow. And then we watched Predator, the new Predator sequel, Prey, which was very good. I really enjoyed that.

And that was it, dude. I didn't want any. She got me a cake, and she got me some gifts and stuff like that. But I wasn't in the celebratory mood, to be quite candid with you. So, yeah, that was it. I don't want to see your heart break so slowly like this, Luke. Do you think a week off will fix this? I mean, are you hurting inside?

What's going on? Did you miss me? Yeah, I just need a break, dude. I've had a lot of stuff going on that I've never even talked to you about or even the audience. It's fine. Like, most of it is getting solved. But, like, I need a break. I need a break.

So, but, yeah, that's it. That's it. I kept it real close. Besides, I didn't want a big celebration if we're going on vacation here pretty soon to then like, you know, continue the party or something. I wanted something very small, very simple. Maybe I'll offline. Yeah. I was going to turn this into a, you know, a little bit of therapy here at Luca cause I care and I know our audience does, but maybe we'll, you know, like I'm learning from this Jeter doc, Luke. You got to keep some things private, right? That's right. You got to keep some things private.

Hey, speaking of docs, brother, and I'm not asking you about your physician or whether you did sign up for that vasectomy. That's your business if you did. I don't know. Did you see the Woodstock 99 Netflix doc? I did. I did. Well, I saw two-thirds of it.

I didn't see the last third of it. But it was a shit show. I remember where I was when that went down. I was actually on a Marine Corps base at the time in 29 Palms, California. And we had Libbo that weekend. So we went out into Palm Springs, California. And in between bouts of drinking beer out of our tub

and whatever the fuck else we were doing, I caught a little bit of it on MTV. That three-day stretch, I turned 21, excuse me, Luke. So that was a very memorable weekend for me. So yeah, I mean, dude, there are listeners on our show, viewers, that want us to do like a deep dive MK homework assignment on this doc. But I'll just say this, like, it was a time capsule. I felt like I was back there, Luke.

I felt like I'm watching people on the screen that I knew i'm like oh i know a version of that guy that girl you know i mean it was like yeah we really were that our generation sucked luke right we're the worst pieces of shit also if you don't remember i remember woodstock 94 i was about 13 years old when that came out so i remember that we had this my brother and i got the soundtrack for it a very different vibe than Woodstock 99. Very different. Absolutely. A lot less rapey, fortunately.

Fortunately. They also didn't hold it on a decommissioned military base either. So there was that. All right, BC, let's remind everyone. Showtime is the label that pays. You had missed the Danny Garcia fight. By the way, I don't know if you had a chance to watch it in just a second here. But Showtime.com, if you want to try Showtime, you can get it.

30-day free trial. Keep it. Otherwise, you can send it back. No charge, no harm, no foul. Did you get a chance to see the Danny Garcia fight? Not yet. I'm slowly catching up. Peña Nunes 2 today, Luke, okay? I'm going to catch that flick. So hopefully it's not as... Maybe it'll be as good as Thor Love and Thunder. We'll find out, Luke.

It's better than Thor Love and Thunder. It's a lot better. Hey, one more. Can I waste your time one find out, Luke. It's better than Thor Love and Thunder. It's a lot better. I mean, you know. Hey, one more. Can I waste your time one more time, Luke? Please. I rewatched. Remember I saw it in the theater when it came out.

I rewatched Dune yesterday with my son. All right. Dude, that's a freaking classic. I know it won six Academy Awards for like the visuals, the sound, the adapted screenplay. I know it was nominated for Best Picture. Luke, I'm going to stand by that flick. I think it's better than 65% of the Star Wars movies that are produced. It's Rogue One level gritty, and it's just a cinematic classic.

I know it's long and the plot is a little iffy, but visually, Luke, it's a face-eff, right? It's like a, you know, it's, you know. Dude, can I give you a quick recommendation of something that blew my fucking mind over the weekend? I saw this movie. Have you heard of the new Ron Howard movie called 13 Lives? Just the

title, not the premise. What do we got here? Apparently there's a documentary about the same story and the documentary is better than the movie. I have not seen the documentary, but everyone out there was screaming to me that the documentary is better fine i've not seen it i can't weigh in on it but i have seen the movie do you remember a few years ago it was a worldwide international story when that the the young boys the thai soccer team got trapped in the cave and they had to be extracted through cave diving for long stretches of time do you remember this story it was like it was like baby jessica just on a global scale right okay i followed that story

in real time and i remember them getting them all out and being like super impressed by it and how difficult and daunting the challenge was dude i'm not gonna ruin it for you even though it's a true story you need to see this movie because the way they get those kids out and by the way one of them was a coach as well so there was at least one adult male the way they get them out i'm just gonna put it to you this way they had to go through seven and a half hours of cave diving and when i say cave diving bro i don't mean like big caves i mean like you can barely squeeze through it only the most experienced pro could ever handle and you're like well so you don't mean seven and a half hours of pros how could the kids do it right you should see how they get these kids out it is fucking insane i could never describe it to you and for it to make sense you have to see it bc

so it's it's a different ending than that soccer film alive where those south americans hate each other yeah i mean yeah you know yeah yeah which was also wasn't that also based on a true story i think that's vaguely oh hell yeah i mean look if if i if i'm the only reason left that you can live dude you can eat the shit out of me look i will i will put that on my donor card that i will i'll donate to you whatever ass flesh i have okay okay fine which i might use for tattoo, but I'm definitely not eating your liver with fava beans. That thing is full of gross

terrible shit. So anyway, 13 lives. I think it's on Amazon Prime or something like that. Dude, you must, must see it. It will blow your fucking mind. It is crazy. See, when you said cave diving, I thought of the day after the senior prom prom we went to

riverside which is really six flags now and agawam mass shout out to phil mckagan and i watched a guy uh spelunk uh get to third base at a picnic table right in the open in front of families and stuff i was like maybe cave diving not really uh i'm really a public activity you know this is a different kind of spelunking yeah i'll never forget that you saw the uh the ad there for our merch store morningcombat.store you can go check that out there as well yeah i'm wearing it merch i'm wearing the vinyl intercourse all right there you go very good very good all right bc let's get this show on the road though because we haven't done in a while you're back if you're ready i'm ready let's do this yes oh yeah oh please watch our uriah faber

interview um room service diaries luke i hear it's great yes also i forgot this because i've been i was i was not good about promoting this last week i don't want to make the same mistake this week uh vote for us world mma awards vote for us now throw the there he goes there's the qr code on the screen if you're watching on youtube if you're listening on your favorite platform on audio, it's worldmmaawards.com slash nominees. worldmmaawards.com slash nominees. So nominees and awards are plural. Go in there, give us a vote. It would be hugely beneficial for us for you to do that.

You did it last time. To go back to back BC would be something pretty historic. Bach to Bach, jock. Yes, Luke. Let's do it. I mean, I said it in the doc. I said we're coming back and we're winning this thing. Okay?

I Pat Riley'd this shit, all right? You did. You really did. You really did. It's up to the fans. It's not me. I put on a great show every day, Luke. It's up to the fans.

It's up to the fans. I agree. All right. Let's get this show on the road here if we can. Let's start with UFC Fight Night, which was not not a great card although this is kind of funny this is always the central tension of these cards doesn't have big names doesn't have matchups that necessarily pull you obviously the main and co-main were pretty good and you got finishes all the way up and down only the second event in the modern era to ever do that the other one of course was when Bisping fought Rockhold in Australia

but getting back to this one it was at the apex of course in your main event BC Jamal Hill stopping Tiago Santos in the fourth round at 231 easily his biggest victory to date he wants some big names in the division now this was his best win certainly by name and the first time he had gone to the fourth round. Is he ready, in your mind, for the top of that division now? When I say top, I mean let's say top five or six. Top five, let's say. Yeah, here's what's interesting. When he called

out Jan Blachowicz afterwards, I was like, you know, three in a row and you just stop Maheta, who, you know, I know he got subbed by Glover in a fight where he had big success, but like, you know, you don't really see Maheta get knocked out. Yeah, maybe that is the only place to go now to the top. Three-fight win streak, as you mentioned, really bounced back great from the Anthony Smith loss. But I thought, Luke, I didn't think of Jamal Hill on this level coming in. Even if you told me he could win this

fight, and I certainly could see the avenues where that was possible, but Luke, to me, it's the way he won it. He went to the deep end of the pool. He swam. This was a grimy, gritty, at times recklessly spectacular fight. And he went in there and did the deed against a guy who, based on recent history in terms of success, certainly going in the other direction following that surgery after the John Jones close fight.

But the ultimate elite gatekeeper right now in Maheta. I mean, he could have knocked out Hill with a number of these counter strikes that he landed typically under duress because this fight had periods of just incredible batshit craziness. But Luke, to see him take that, to land the more technical strikes to break him down the way he did to overcome the wrestling disadvantage do i think he's ready meaning do i think he can beat blohovich or ankulayev or the champ or glover uh you know no he's still gonna have to convince me more but does he belong in that group does he deserve this chance to face those guys luke i think after this victory, yes.

And of course you can make that argument based on the amount of defeats recently, what that says about Tiago Santos. And Bill Parcells is always going to be undefeated in saying you are what your record says you are. So that's why we all understand Maheta's ready to kick that door in and go the other direction. But he is still stubborn as shit to make you have to earn it. And normally that earning it means outpoint him. No, Jamal Hill didn't do that. Luke, he went in there with him. I I'm impressed as shit that he came out the other end, looking the way he did. And he got this win. He did make a leap forward. This is a back. It's almost sounds like a backhanded compliment to

then say, well, do I believe he wins at the next level? No, I don't yet, but I'm on this journey with him now. He has my attention. This was the win he needed to get, to get that attention. He's got it, Luke. You can't take that away from him. No, you can't. I think I largely agree with your analysis. I thought he was going to win this one, but I thought he was going to win this one in part BC because I kind of had an impression that Tiago Santos was going to turn in a lifeless performance. Not true. He turned in, you know, by Tiago Santos' more recent standards

anyway, he turned in a pretty commendable performance. He was busy with the leg kicks in that third round. He was wearing on them with the wrestling attacks and kind of taking his back and holding them down and making them work. Like, he was getting outstruck for sure, especially as he got into closer and closer

range. And Jamal Hill, by the way, I want to talk about his boxing because it's just phenomenal. But, you know, Tiago Santos, we'll talk about him in just a minute, but he turned out a pretty decent performance, all things considered. And so Jamal Hill beat that guy. To me, that was actually pretty impressive. I will say, on the good thing, on the good

side about Jamal Hill, and I'm with you, like, to me, you had, coming into this fight, BC, Santos was ranked 6th, Smith was ranked 5th. Now, Smith just had a terrible injury that, you know, he's gonna, who knows how long he's gonna be out for that and what that's gonna mean for his fighting future and everything.

So, if they put Hill in that 5-6-7 range, I don't really mind that, which would put him in company with Paul Craig who has a win over him Uzdemir and Reyes those fights seem to make sense to me on the good side dude he's a southpaw

for a southpaw like guys who stand southpaw in MMA he's got one of the most educated right hands in the business his right hook is I mean what a weapon that thing is. He uses it in all kinds of ways, and it is devastating. His accuracy is good.

His hand speed is good. His timing is good. By the way, Jamal Hill, one of the best in the sport at trying to corner guys, and then when they were resisting too much, he'll hold position and let them walk to him, and then he drills them walking in. He does it all the time to all of his opponents, and they never seem to pick up on it.

He's very, very crafty. My one hint of reservation, and it's something I've been talking about with a lot of really good fighters. The guys who can get away with this, there's like two or three you could even mention, which is to say, here's my reservation about Jamal Hill. He had an awesome quote at the end of his post-fight speech where he said, you know,

you guys keep talking about experience, but you've never experienced anything like me. And I've, you know, I've seen, I'm paraphrasing. I've seen your kind, you know, many times before, something like that, which was a nice little way to stick it to him because this was only his 12th or so fight. But here is my concern for him. It's not his upside his upside seems to be high but the next step I think is a little bit unclear to me because his a game his southpaw boxing slash kickboxing game it's ready to go he can beat with that game if someone accommodated him and fought him on those terms he could beat anyone in that division he could beat Yuri in this division he could beat glover he could beat

yon right he could not guaranteeing it but it's good enough to beat those guys the problem is his b game appears to me to be strictly defensive right so these guys are developing games where they're really really good at it and then they're just kind of ironing out the defense on all the other parts of their game. I think that will only take you so far unless your A game is so dominant, no one can stop it. And I always go back to the same example like Habib, his sort of wrestling and grappling game. It was so dominant, he didn't need much of a striking game. But I don't see Jamal Hill on the Habib kind of over the division level. To me, he's going to need more things.

And while he showed good takedown defense, good scrambling, and good defensive wrestling, there was really no offensive component to it. And to me, you are eventually going to have a problem if that is the case. So, while I thought there was a lot to take home that I thought was great, and in particular, he has some of the very best boxing at 205. And I do think he deserves to bump up from 10 to somewhere between 5 and 7 in the rankings. This was legit.

I do think that next step, though, those top five guys, particularly your Rakic's, your Ankhalaev's, maybe even your Teixeira's, they're going to pose a potential problem with the rest of the game that isn't suited to be offensive strictly defensive no you nailed you nailed the exact reason why i still have cause on the next level now about this level you nailed a lot about his boxing i think obviously just look at the toughness and the ability to take big shots to come back he passed a big test he went deep into the fight another pass

i think think the thing I take away the biggest is his poise because there were certain sequences that were out of control because that's what Mejeta does. Mejeta is one of the ultimate, let me find out, let me drag you right into the fight or flight scenario. And Hill got dragged into that, but he didn't stay there. You know what I mean? He was poised and he didn't go into a shell because of it. And he also didn't let his shit go too far and get tagged. So a lot to like about it, but still a lot more we have to see. And the top of this division for what it lacks in star power at the moment,

there's a core, there's a common core group of guys that are freaking hammers. So, Luke, you know the fight I want for him? Because I do think we have a little bit, rightfully so, we do have a little bit of a bottleneck. Like, for example, if it's Prochaska Glover two-necks, which is very possible, and then it's Blachowicz-Ankolaev, which is very possible. Obviously, you've got Rakic hanging around there, and I do realize that Anthony Smith beat Jamal Hill,

so there's always a potential there for a rematch. But, Luke, how about Dominic Reyes, who's ranked No. 7 at the moment? How about that? I know it's one more step sort of in the other direction, but Reyes is still young enough where I'm not sure we've seen his last stand, Luke. I don't think we have. Well, I mean, while that decline was sudden, Dom Reyes eventually is going to come back and be Dom Reyes again, I think.

Isn't that a perfect matchup for where they are right now, Luke, to find out who really is where they belong in the rankings i like that one i think because reyes can push a pace and mix things up that would be interesting i mean it doesn't answer your wrestling questions necessarily luke but you can't always pick and choose matchmaking to answer those you know fair enough the paul craig one is interesting too because you've watched the first the first paul craig fight which i think was like 2019, 2018, I think 2019. Craig made it look kind of easy.

And so I really wonder how much of his game has developed since then where that wouldn't necessarily be the case. Like Uzdemir got it done, but he kind of struggled a little bit down the stretch to get it done. I'd be curious to see a rematch there. But on the other side, the Reyes side, yeah, any of those. The Uzdemir fight would be good too, although he's coming up a little. Let me dead wrong myself. For some reason, I keep referencing this Jamal Hill loss to Anthony Smith.

Obviously, it's the Paul Craig one that is sticking out, Luke, the last time I saw him lose. He got submitted with an armbar, yeah. So let me dead wrong myself right now. They didn't fight, right? Luke came in, Anthony Smith. So that's also a potential fight. Wouldn't that fight better answer the questions then?

Yeah, but Smith just got that really terrible injury at UFC 277, so he's going to be out for a while. Whereas I think Hall's... Excuse me, Hill. If I'm Hill, I'm going to want to stay busy. I think if I'm him, I want to squeeze in one more fight into 2020,

really begin to capitalize on this momentum that he's got, really began to push. Yeah, you can see here against Paul Craig, he got his elbow dislocated, kept fighting, and then eventually the ref realized that it was completely fucked and they had to let it go. This is to me why it's like he was very defensive against Tiago Santos, which is by itself not a problem, and then getting submitted by Paul Craig. It's like, dude, how good is this kid striking?

Very good. He's very, very good at that. But the other parts of his game for me to really believe he can contend for a title, dude, Glover Teixeira, I mean, whatever else you want to say about him, how old he is and how shopworn he is, my man has good takedowns. He knows how to find the clinch. And on top, he will pass your fucking guard. He will do it.

And he will pound on you from mount. Like, that is a real serious threat that he has to contend with. Onkolaev can do it too. So, you know, I just don't know if he's ready for that given what I've seen, but any kind of test short of that in that space you're describing, I'd be happy with any of them.

Okay. And don't forget that Jamal Hill, Luke, is apparently the baller of UFC fighters. Because every time, you know, I see a great fighter, I'm like, I wonder if he could dunk. We have footage of Jamal Hill raining threes in that dc balal muhammad that was him oh las vegas shootout that they had apparently jamal hill is the baller of the ufc and i guess i could see that you see the athleticism luke and the confidence i could see that guy being a uh you

know shoot over double teams and make it type of guy look you know yeah I can understand that as well all right let's talk about quickly though staying on the main event Santos one in five in his last six now as I mentioned BC he did show some life in this one I actually thought he was really trying to get out there into the best of his ability win it he didn't though it's still going poorly for him why and is this is this the end what do you what what does this say about Tiago Santos and where we go from here it's it's a tough it's always a difficult conversation Luke because you know we're honest on this show one of my favorite fighters Luke I love the shit out of Mahetta okay I mean he's either you know knocking down or knocking up

many of your famous UFC fighters he's got a career highlight reel that's so damn entertaining. But look, he poured it all out in his one big moment against Jon Jones with two legitimate knee injuries and still fought like a maniac. And some people thought, you know, maybe even deserved it. We always questioned how much the long layoff in a damaging double surgery at that age, what it was going to do to his ceiling. There was a legitimate question, would he ever get back to this point? But even within that gray area, there's still levels to that because he got back to a good

point when he dropped Glover early and looked like he was on his way to beating him. We've seen these flashes of the old man. Yeah, Luke, he's still a way better fighter than his recent record indicates. There's no question about that. He's not a liability to himself. He would beat many top 10 guys on a given night. But we are consistently seeing, going back to the you are what your record says you are sort of conversation,

he's no longer elite. He can be an equivalent of an elite test if you get in there and you catch one from him. But he's certainly no longer elite but luke you know we'll probably have the same conversation about sam alvey later there does come a point where there's a limit on the amount of high level losses you're sort of allowed to take and keep your job um by no means i think are you and i'm trying to put the picture out there that he's washed or that he's you know you you should get rid of him. No, like nothing. He still can beat so many guys.

But there's something missing, Luke, and it may just be the combination of age, the grind, and the effects of that knee surgery. Now, look, Luke, he came pretty damn close on a couple of high kicks. He's always going to be that type of guy who can spring out of nowhere. But he's no longer that type of guy where that threat is there every second of every minute of every round. You know what I'm saying, Luke? So I commend him for the attempts at wrestling to try to almost take a cue from Glover and add longevity here again. He's only 38, but he is 38, and he has been through a lot of big-time, heavy, damaged,

back-and-forth fights. I think you sort of just leave him alone, Luke. He is who he is now. A really tough out and a big name that you can get on your resume. I'd like to see him bounce back with a win here, kind of like what he did against Johnny Walker to stem off some of the bleeding in the early part of this. It's very possible, but I don't know what you're looking to get me to say because he's not at that area yet where I'm ready to say those things. And I love this guy too much to see him go, Luke. He makes fun ass freaking fights. And looking back, I respect the shit out of him taking that jug against Jones and just saying, whether I walk again or not, this is my moment. Let's go for it.

I think it was worth the risk, Luke. And right now, he's a second-tier version of himself. He's never getting back to first tier. But that run in first class, that was good, Luke. We had a good run. He came that close. He came that freaking close. I mean, partly you can just make an argument about who he's fighting now, because the last win streak he was on, it's amazing to think

about, that he beat Kevin Holland. Kevin Holland is now at welterweight, and this dude is firmly at 205, but they met him at middleweight in 2018. Eric Anders, Jimmy Manoa, and Jan Blachowicz was who he stopped in the third round of that contest. In fact, that was the one that got him the Jon Jones title shot. But here's who he's lost

to. Jon Jones, Glover DeShera, Alexander Rakic, Magomed Ankolaev, and now Jamal Hill. So what does it tell us about him? At 38 with extensive knee surgeries, I don't think he can beat top guys anymore. Now, can he beat guys maybe inside the top 10 to 15, 11 to 15 space?

Maybe. Maybe that's actually doable. We'll have to see. But these guys inside the top five, right outside of it, like that top five bubble, depending on where you want to put Jamal Hill, yeah, it's pretty clear he can't win these fights anymore.

And to your point, whether it's a combination of age and damage and knee surgery and change in fight style and all kinds of stuff, hard to say exactly to pinpoint one singular thing. But in combination, the effect is pretty clear. He can't beat these top guys at this age anymore, at least not right now unless something changes. They need to change who he is fighting if he wants to find a way to win. I mean, look, how did Shogun

have... You look at Shogun's last six, seven fights, Luke, there was a big win streak in there because he still... Now, look, there's not a direct comparison here, but he was still at a point where he could beat those guys ranked 10 to 15, and he can expose them. Yeah, he had to take sometimes sick damage,

even in big wins, to get there. But yeah, Maheta should be fighting the guys outside of the top 10 who are looking to jump in. That's the level where he's at. He still does carry a celebrity name to some degree, especially as a potential opponent. And he can put him in the main event, in my opinion, even with those losses. But that guy's not coming through the door anymore. But as I summed up, I don't think there's anything really negative we can say, Luke. He went for it.

But things end. Things come to a close. I mean, think there's anything really negative we can say, Luke. He went for it. But things end. Things come to a close. I mean, is there an adjustment to his style? Is there a hybrid Glover 2.0 old guy leaning on the skills that he may have never really worked on so strong to begin with? Do you see any type of way he can slow

this fade down, Luke? I could see maybe getting busier with volume because if you just look at his ground game, it's just a little too... It just doesn't have the neat and tight control you need in the way that Glover does. Glover's got a really slick passing game.

It's very efficient. It's very balanced. You know, Mejeta doesn't really have that. Again, he does have really good punching power, but he has really good kickboxing game. I think getting busier at kickboxing range and really softening these guys up might be the way. But dude, this is the other part about it.

After all the wars he's been through, after all the damage he's taken, after all the shit his knees have suffered, you're asking how much can he get back or change to. The answer may not be that much. It's a lot to ask of someone to go through what he's been through psychologically and physically and then just be like oh let's switch gears and do something differently yes it's commendable beyond commendable that a guy

like orlovsky was able to figure something out like that but dude he's the exception to the rule very much the exception to the rule it may not just... I do think dialing back the quality of opponent is now very much warranted at this point. So let's see what happens then. But if he loses to those guys, then you just have bigger issues in play. That's it. Do you think he can dunk a basketball, Luke? I bet you he windmills. Certainly

pre-knee surgery, I bet he could. Certainly pre-knee surgery. Now, I don't know. Did you know that 10 years ago he was stopped by vicente luque at middleweight that's crazy that's crazy right i read that this morning i was like what really yeah that's that's fucking insane i mean it's not quite bj penn versus machida but it's it's out there luke yeah yeah for sure all right let's go to point number two in the ufc's co-main event i mean what do you want to say about Jeff Neal?

Easily, easily, easily, I would say the biggest name he's ever beaten, number one. And I'm going to say that's the best he's ever looked to me. He looked phenomenal. BC, you saw this fight. Tell me if you disagree with my framing of it. And more to the point, just how significant is this win? Hugely significant because of that two fight losing streak and the period of where it came where he was showing huge signs of looking to be a guy who's going to make a leap into the top five and potentially do some damage to remind people

decision went over balal and then stopping nico price and mike perry not not you know necessarily world beaters but he was at a point lu Luke, where I think he's recovered now. And he is that guy again. And in between, it wasn't just the two defeats, Luke. It was trouble with the law outside the ring. It was a long stretch during the pandemic. He had to take on other full-time jobs to try to make ends meet. I mean, he's been through it where it could have fallen apart for good.

It seems to be back where it needs to be. Because Lu as always was not going to make this easy he was going to give you an elite level you know chin and ability to take damage and still try to win the fight so look i mean i almost do you get a little like johnny hendrix vibes from him at times too i mean his game especially on the feed is is violent. Maybe he's not as technical in terms of getting to your chin with that big left hand like Johnny would do. And maybe he's not the same wrestler. You can tell me if I'm wrong on that. But in terms of being able to land the type of violence that can end a fight,

you do that against Luke A at this point? Not too far removed from that win streak he had? Dude, yeah, you're back. You are exactly where you were before things fell apart, Luke. And I was happy to see that because this guy's got something in there, and I want to see him have a chance to show it to us. It's funny you bring that up. So what was one of the big hallmarks of this win by Jeff Neal? It was doubling up or tripling up or going beyond that with same-side attacks.

He would go left to the body, left over the top, or all those uppercuts from the same side. He was doubling up and tripling up attacks with the same side. Hendricks used to do that better than almost anybody. In fact, I would say it's one of the signatures of his striking. He would double and triple up from the same left side all the time. Now, I don't know if that's exactly what you're spotlighting. I think more you're talking about just kind of the way in which he approaches

and the result that it had. Fair enough. I see some of those similarities too. But, actually, if I was going to pinpoint someone, you know, the generation before this new generation of welterweights, who struck like him on the feet, it would in fact be Johnny Hendricks. It's actually kind of crazy you brought that up, BC, because

I think it's entirely apt. Dude, his boxing... Dude, his boxing in this fight, I am starting to see guys who have, again, I am not going to play this stupid-ass game where I'm like, oh, give them boxing gloves and they can go win world titles. That's not going to fucking happen

for any number of reasons. Oh, wait, wait, I just got off the cruise ship. Did Jake Paul fight Luke? Did I miss him? Yeah, it was great. It was great. Go check it out on YouTube. It was amazing.

It was really fun. I'm glad we waited for it. But what I was great. It was great. Go check it out on YouTube. It was amazing. It was really fun. I'm glad we waited for it. But what I was going to say was the level of improvement where he is doubling and tripling up on the same side. And by the way, I want to point this out. Guys who can slip. I talk about it all the time. Slipping is really important. And the guys who can put slipping and offense together.

I can slip. There's my defense. And through it, I have offense that I can come over the top with. He has that as well. Dude, he was putting strikes on angles on Luque, around the gloves, in between it, up the middle as the guy was getting too linear. Dude, he dissected, he dissected Luque in the most vicious way you probably could with a boxing game. Even after Luque, by the way, staged a little bit of a rally, so to speak. Kind of centered the boat, I'll say, in the choppy seas. He got respect back with a couple of those counters.

It was like, oh, shit. In that second round. But then he got out there in that third round. Dude, this was, I think you said it exactly right, BC. He was on a track, and then shit got derailed. Dude, this was him fucking big john henry pulling it back onto the track and setting that thing in motion i am very very much back on the jeff neal bandwagon so to speak in terms of what he can do and i know his team's gonna be like oh

we were always on it great we don't know all the inside stories we don't know what the truth is we only know what we can see in the cage and And there was some things that were signs of concern. This was him very much getting back to where he should be. And I was super impressed by him. Loved it. And I like his hardworking personality. So that was good to see too. Luke, at 5'11", do you think he dunks spectacularly?

See, at 5'11", I don't know what kind of ups he has. He's obviously a good athlete, right? Does he have ups, though? That's a different... Why are we not doing an all-star game dunk contest at International Fight Week? Please, okay? Anyway, Luke, my real question to you is, what do you do with him where you put him? This isn't the same guy that lost to

Thompson and got the split decision win over Ponzinibbio last time out to kind of keep things going in the direction. I know we got Brady going to be tied up here soon in a big fight. Jeff Neal at 13. Where do you see him going from here? This is the interesting part.

This was a big risk for Luque. God bless Luque. God bless these fighters, man. I don't know how much people really appreciate it. Guys who are willing to take opponents whose ability far outstrips their ranking. Luque was sitting at six heading into this fight. And he, so he fought a guy at 13, not seven, not eight, not nine, not even 10, 13. He took this fight. So Neil is going to bump up probably in that seven to 10 space, which would put him around Stephen Thompson,

who kind of beat him thoroughly in one of the first two consecutive losses that he had. Jorge Masvidal, I don't know if Jorge Masvidal is going to want a Jeff Neal kind of opponent. Very tough, not much upside in terms of name value. Brady is sitting at 9, so he's busy with Bilal. We'll see what happens there. 10 is Shavkat Rachmanov. That's an interesting one. Jeff Neal versus Shavkat Rachmanov that's an interesting one Jeff Neal versus Shavkat Rachmanov how do you like that well dude that's damn I mean it rankings wise

it would make a lot of sense but it's like you know well well come meet the wood chipper you know I mean it's like it's yeah um I I am I don't want to forget that he did make a ball she called out look he called out Gilbert Burns after it I don't know if forget that he did make a ballsy call out. Luke, he called out Gilbert Burns after it. I don't know if you saw that, if you had the sound down. When he said that, he got me right in the feel spot, Luke. I mean, I was just like, oh, my God. The thing is, though, Burns has been angling. And you understand it, dude.

Burns has been angling for the Masvidal fight, which, by the way, it's like. He wants money. He wants to be in the Chandler level of wars. Now, Luke, he wants to see this is why the Rachmaninoff fight makes more sense. Rachmaninoff is all too happy to take the challenge. Right. But if you're Burns, do you want to fight tough ass Jeff Neal, who doesn't have a super big name? No.

Or do you want to fight a guy who's also tough, but maybe a much bigger name? You want to fight Jorge, dude. That's what you want to do. Exactly. So that's why I think it's like maybe they run the Wonderboy fight back maybe but I tend to think that Wonderboy doesn't want that fucking fight either the Rock Mon-Off one Michael Chiesa is another one you could do but I tend to think that's even going too low yeah dude that I think I that Rock Mon-Off fight

is looking pretty fun potentially and tough as tough as shit, by the way. Yeah, yeah. Real tough, yeah. Okay. So, in terms of where we go here with Vicente Luque, this is a guy, BC, he's only, I think, 31. I'll double check here. He keeps bumping up to the top, bumping up to the top, bumping up to the top, and then falling short. And this was the first time I think he'd ever been stopped with strikes in the UFC. This was a bit of a bad loss. And he was he was in the back foot I mean that first round was

10-8 really to be honest with you I don't know how the judges exactly had it but it should have been a 10-8 where does he go from here where is his stock at this point okay again I'm the king of backhanded compliments that's why all fighters inevitably end up hating me Luke but here's the deal I'm not actually that concerned by this loss, even though he doesn't get stopped normally. Look, in this fight, he got lit up with a big shot early, and to be fair, the kind of shot that could lead to most fighters, you know, eventually getting stopped, and not only did he come back and have moments and showcase his toughness, I mean, you know, he was trying to put himself, willing himself into a spot to win still, so bad night at the office.

Obviously, you pair it with his big opportunity against Bilal in the rematch, which he lost to. And you can add that to his age and start to get some ideas. But Luke, who I always thought of him, was a guy who at sub-elite or elite level is willing to get in a brawl with everybody, but also willing to be the more technical brawler in that and rely on some of his toughness to get in a brawl with everybody but also willing to be the more technical brawler in that and rely on some of his toughness to get ahead and score some of the type of wins that he did to put together that win streak but I always felt there was going to be a ceiling for that and I don't think this loss necessarily kills who he still is and still can be after that Luke do you get what I'm trying to say here yeah Yeah. The problem is, I don't think it hurts his larger reputation,

but it definitely damages the short-term standing. You know, he was sitting at six. He's probably going to drop pretty far. It's going to hurt his financial leverage, for sure, Luke. For sure. And he's going to have to go back to the hammers that I thought he was kind of beating and putting behind him. It kind of puts him back there a little bit.

And also, by the way, Dean Thomas made a great point on the broadcast when they brought him in during the Luque fight when he was getting tuned up. They were like, you know, because Luque has his hands up the whole time, and Dean was like, yo, this is why having your hands up is not necessarily defense. Obviously, it can be, but, you know, moving your head, getting the right positioning, taking angles, all those things. All the things, by the way, and Saif Saud, the coach of Jeff Neal, screaming right flank, right flank.

They were trying to set angles on the guy the whole time, and it worked, by the way. It worked really well. You know, I appreciate all the various ways, because Michael Bisping was saying in the broadcast team, Luque is talented everywhere, which is true, which is true. But he doesn't have an ace, you know, ace in the whole kind of game. He's got a really well-rounded game for sure, but you can see against someone who's got a little bit of a specialization and heavy handed, you know, it's a problem. It's a problem. So I think, you know, there's a, there's a question of the youth, not necessarily holding

him back, but really fine tuning one part of his game to make it lethal, really getting out there and leaning into whatever that's going to be, probably the striking. Maybe that could take him back to the top. But as it stands, it's a very good game, but it's clearly not enough to ascend to the top at this point. And I think there's some reflection due as a consequence. He makes fun fights, though, Luke.

I'll love him for that. He certainly does. And if he wants to, or if physically he has to devolve into simply a TV fighter, he may be able to withstand that for a while. Luke. Very true. Very true. Real quickly on the rest of this card, let's just go through it very quickly. Muhammad Usman wins the ultimate fighter at heavyweight. He knocks out Zach Pauga, which whose name I was mispronouncing up until this point. I'm sure I'm still mispronouncing it in some way.

Vicious left hook. By the way, I've got to say, old Muhammad Usman for a big-ass heavyweight who is clearly well-muscled, pretty fast, pretty good selection of punches. That left hook, he was looking for it the whole time because Pauga kept dropping his right hand as he was coming in for it. Found it on the mark. Guy didn't see it coming and polished him off. It's a nice win by Mohamed Ousmane.

Dude, I mean, it's not that, you know, there's some raw elements to his game still. I think defense and head movement, you know, he was getting hit a little bit too easily for my liking at times. But you see the explosiveness, the power, the physical shape he's in. And then, Luke, whether you think it matters or not, I mean, that post-fight interview was as humble as shit to the idea of hard work, family, morals, values. You know, obviously being the brother of somebody doesn't always equal success in anything, but you know, he painted a strong picture that intangibly he could be pretty well off and in a decent spot to maybe make some noise.

Or maybe, I don't know, Luke. I don't know, but I will say it's hard to really take anything away from this performance. He was an underdog. He came in there and he delivered. You know, not busy enough, Luke. But if you're a guy, at least at this level of matchmaking, where when you do touch people, they go away like that. Because, Luke, I thought that was a jab into the third replay.

I was like, oh, yeah, that is sort of a half-hook, half-undercut sort of... But, like, I mean, he's had a couple losses. He's not young. What could he be, Luke? I mean, can he wrestle? I wanted to see him go for some takedowns. I don't know enough about his backstory. I didn't watch this tough season to know if that's a part of his arsenal.

But his brother can wrestle pretty good, Luke. He can't wrestle like his brother, but he can wrestle a little bit. I don't know either at heavyweight exactly what his upside was, but he certainly looked good this time. The patience, the understanding of his opponent,

picking up on his mistakes and then finding the appropriate punch as a consequence, that's not an obvious thing. This sounds kind of we should say this out loud. There are a lot of teams who are very good at game planning before a fight. The number of teams where, and this is not necessarily applying to this particular case, but I just want to make a broader statement. The number of teams, even in high-level MMA, they can get a guy to make meaningful adjustments in the middle of teams even in high level mma they can get a guy to make meaningful

adjustments in the middle of a fight and then have that fighter carry it out and they can spot all those things in real time you could count them on less than one hand it's not very many people and i know that sounds kind of crazy like oh every team should be able to do that it's actually way harder than it looks this was a much more you know reduced version of that where he was just picking up on the mistakes of a guy in real time as the fight progressed and he did a good job of it. So that was nice. That was actually really nice that he was able to do that.

But beyond that, I need to see more against more credentialed opposition, I guess is the answer. BC, I don't know if you got a chance to see it, the Juliana Miller, she wins the women's flyweight fight with a ground and pound of Brogan Walker. Did the old crotch chop at the end. I'm sure the BC Special loved all that. Oh, I'm sure you'll be seeing it later on, have you seen this shit.

But, you know, again, I didn't watch the season, and if this is my first introduction to Miller, I mean, what's her name? Killer Miller? I mean, you can call her Mayhem Miller for all I care, Luke. She's spicy. There's something to watch here. There's a fighting spirit. This was a tough-ass win, and she delivered the goods.

Fly weight, we know. You can make noise at fly weight if you can put some things together, and this is only step one of her UFC journey here, but so far I'm impressed, and I want to see the growth and give her time to get there. I'll say this, and she had mentioned it. She acknowledged it was an issue. She is 3-1.

I know people want to get to the UFC as early as possible. I got to tell you that one, I don't love that. Don't love the fact that you've only got four pro fights and you want to be in the UFC. That is going to be a tough learning curve. I'm not guaranteeing failure. It's not what I'm saying. But the history of people who have gone to the UFC with four fights,

really three, and yes, you can count the ones in the house or whatever, but not great. Not great. Do you believe, Luke? Do you believe that both Sage Northcutt and the Jersey guy that fought Punk, come on, Luke, fill it in, fill it in.

What happened? Who beat Punk from Jersey? Why can't I think of his name? Mickey Gall. Mickey Gall. Just using those two as examples, would they have been better off with lower-level sustained selective matchmaking in the more traditional vein

rather than go from sort of reality close up to right in the fire. It's hard to know the specifics of anyone's situation and how financially destitute they might have been, so I'll answer the question this way. In terms of the development of their game, it is a very bad idea to go to the UFC with three or four fights.

It's a very bad idea. Doesn't mean it can't be done. Doesn't mean we haven't seen people do it. But in general, it is creating a development process that could be massively inhibited by how outpaced and outsized the competition is. You could be like, oh, women's flyweight is weak. True.

But I think people underestimate what it means to be a top 15 fighter in the world and how much more developed they are. You know, again, everyone's going to be different. We'll see. I'm not in any way declaring gloom and doom. But statistically, what she is attempting is extremely difficult to do. Isn't it crazy?

And this isn't a new revelation. We've talked about this a million times. But it is crazy how if you look back at a boxer who's about to have their toughest fight, and you're like, oh, they lost once or twice in their first 20 fights. You're like, oh, they're a blown prospect. They're a bust who's still fighting. Whereas in MMA, if you don't see those couple losses and those 14, 15 fights on the level that you're talking about, then we've got much more fear about you.

It's almost like as long as you didn't lose too many times, it's a badge. I mean, even somebody like Anthony Smith, who lost a lot before finally putting it all together, I mean, those obviously were huge in the process, Luke. No doubt about it. Like, when you see a fighter like, you know, Aldo losing, I think, one of his first fights and Cyborg losing one of their first fights, Kamaru Usman losing one of his first fights, it ends up being the kind of thing that turned them into the champions that they ended up

being, actually. You wanted to see again, four or five losses. You're talking about a different level of fighter, but one, maybe two along the way, it turns them into champions. You know what I mean? They needed that as part of their development process. BC, very quickly, I'll say, nice thing. Sergei Spivak

looked pretty good beating augusto sakai he is slowly turning into somebody you actually very much have to respect in the heavyweight division can we talk about sam alvey losing again like i'm not even going to do a bit here where it's yes it's the longest winless streak in ufc history but dude he got his jaw broken he's gonna have to get it wired shut the u The UFC giving him contracts used to be a kind of a joke where they'd be like, oh, he keeps losing and they keep giving him fights, which is true. Dude, it's not in his interest to fight in this organization anymore.

His health is at risk. He is losing consecutively. He is losing now badly. And when the injuries start happening in fights like this, that's when you know it's time to do something else whether it's with his career or different organization i'll leave that up to him and the commissions but the ufc owes him a solid to not book him again just to correct you all did wrong you early if you had the lava shack fights on the governor penn he may actually have

the record oh i think actually bigfoot silva just broke that record uh luke here's the deal on this um yeah i mean like i read part of the feature that ESPN did on him, almost sort of like this lovable guy who, you know, lives on a farm and is married to America's top model and has a million kids and has just as many losses. He's, you know, like, you know, I'm glad that he had that close up, but you got enough to live for outside this cage to, yeah, I don't know. Luke, who does he have nudes on? That's really where I'm at right now, Luke. Sometimes in pro wrestling,

you'll see this, but a guy backstage is like a great hand, and he helps out the younger guys, and you know, he'll, if you need somebody for Brock Lesnar to throw through a window, that guy will raise his hand. It's like Heath Slater or somebody. You know, yeah, okay, respect that guy. But this ain't pro wrestling, Luke.

Okay. So it's the, it's gotta be the end of an era now. Although he did beat Rashad. I can't believe I just said that out loud, but it did happen. Luke. Okay.

It's still a source of sadness and fatigue for us both. I mean, you know, what if they told you we could put them against Ed short fuse, Furman, Herman, and the battle of the Gingers, Luke? Would you sign off on that as a UFC goodbye, Luke? Herman has taken so much abuse.

I worry about his long-term health, candidly. But I think Herman would beat the shit out of him. Probably, yeah. All right, point number three. We stay with UFC, but the last one of these. We didn't get a reaction to it on Friday or Saturday, whenever the news broke. I can't even remember anymore. I think it was Friday night. Oh, wait, real quick. I gotta

interrupt you. You're not gonna talk about Terrence McKinney? Is that an extra credit report? Luke, what's happening? No, we can talk about him now if you want. What's on your mind? You look good. That was fun as shit for the two minutes it lasted, Luke. Eric Gonzalez was basically was told right off the start, you're gonna fight, and he

did, Luke, and although McKinney got the better of it overall and then got the sort of spectacular finish, this guy makes theater, McKinney, Luke. I mean, this was wild. This was a wild ride. Even in his amateur and other fights outside the UFC, my man has never been to a decision. Either way, win or lose.

Has never been to one. It is truly the definition right there of kill or be killed. And usually he does the killing. Obviously not exclusively, but usually. And this was another one of those examples. Judges can kick their feet up when Terrence McKinney enters the cage because this one ain't going to them. Pretty remarkable.

Would you add him to a must-see list? Like the kind of list where Mehetta's on Luke, Yuri Prochazka, that level where you're like... Yes, I would. Again, he's got some climbing to do in the rankings to be at that kind of Prochazka kind of level. Obviously, he was a champion.

But in terms of guys who you can reliably say they're going to press the gas pedal for as long as this fight lasts, he's that guy. He is absolutely that guy. Although I will say, I wonder if that will inhibit him. Because you're like, oh, well, Prochaska won a title. But, dude, Prochaska, the amount of damage he's taken, I'm telling you, his chin is going to go eventually, and then there's going to be no coming back from his style.

Because the damage he takes, you can't undo. You can't be here for a long time if you fight like this, Luke. You know that. That's true. You know what I mean? This is the guy that comes to your keg party to bang your female friends and possibly steal your beer on the way out, Luke.

I mean, I've known guys like this, Luke. I wish I could be guys like this. I know guys like this, too. Fair enough. All right, BC, let's get to this very quickly if we can. Point number three. This happened on Friday night. So we have a main event

it seems like for ufc 281 he announced it on sports center of all places ufc middleweight champion israel adesanya izzy will take on nemesis alex pareda and here's the kicker this of course will be on november 12th of this year it's going to to be at Madison Square Garden in the fucking Mecca. They're going to put it there. Now, of course, they haven't said it formally, but this is also the card that we expect Michael Chandler to fight Dustin Poirier on as well. So it looks like they're going to come to the Big Apple with a big-ass card. But BC, boy, they didn't waste any time booking Izzy in a fight after his last one of ufc 276 he's getting

right back to work it's against his chief rival it's in one of the most iconic sporting venues in the world your reaction to this announcement got him i mean this is just this is what dreams are made of this is what you know the msg major for the ufc their annual stop in the world's most famous arena which still freaking matters to me. I mean, again, I'll say it a million times. You tell me you're going to see a concert at the Garden or, you know, a sporting event or whatever. Dude, it's going to feel magical. If I'm Dana White, Luke, I go, hey, scumbag media.

You know all that shit you say about me? Here, enjoy this night. This is what this is, Luke. This is why you lift them weights in the offseason. This is what, you know, this is everything. This fucking matchup rules. And it's the exact test in Izzy's arc at the moment that, Luke, he really needs. Because you know this, Luke Thomas, for him to win this fight, which, you you know he'll be rightfully favored in my opinion

but you can tell me if you think the odds are going to go anywhere else um he's gonna have to fight to win this you can't point fight Pineda or at least who we think he is Luke and I know when we're talking about point fighting on an Izzy level it's different than than the other levels but to have this at the garden with that freaking banger this this reminds me of what you know what that felt like in 2016-17 you know recently with the uh bmf main event i mean yeah dude are we gonna be there we're gonna do live shows luke i'll i'll streak through the streets luke i probably won't be the only person doing that just randomly randomly. Weird shit breaks down all the time in Manhattan. But Luke, I'm ready for this. Okay? I am rock hard with emotion

right now. I've got a phone. I love this contest. I wanted to say something. Do you remember what we did for the 276 pregame preview? We were debating how popular Izzy was. And I think you and Chuck were a little bit more like, definitely popular, but probably, you know, not

all that popular. And I was a little bit more like definitely popular but probably you know not all that popular and I was a little bit more optimistic about his upside I think one thing I've reflected on since that loss or the win it's funny that I call it a loss one thing I've reflected on a little bit there is it wasn't like I thought you guys weren't picking up on something that didn't exist like you were just inventing it I knew it was there what I thought was going to happen was he was going to have a good win and then most of that goodwill and idea about his identity would be largely restored or wasn't, you know, whatever.

And he won, obviously, and he won pretty convincingly but not spectacularly. In fact, what I wanted to sort of acknowledge was since then I have very much greatly felt I think the things that you and Chuck were identifying ahead of that contest which was here's a guy who's very heavily promoted who does appear to be

capable of transitioning to something greater than what he is in terms of a popular attraction and then for one reason or the other hasn't quite ascended part of that reason I think is unfair in the way in which he gets labeled for certain personal choices he makes.

But the other one is the fight style. And we actually had talked to Kamau Bell about that. I asked him why he thought there was this pushback against Izzy. Here's my question to you, though. Now, if Pineda goes in there and knocks him out, then anything I'm about to ask you is just utterly irrelevant. But let's say Izzy goes in there. Remember, he beat Derek Brunson in that same venue. He goes in there and not only beats Pineda for the third time that they fight,

but the first time ever given the three fights at that point would have taken place. How much does he restore what is possible? How much does that elevate him? What does that do for Izzy in that circumstance? It'd be massive. And that means if, you know, Podeta comes out and pushes this crazy pace and the fight has back and forth moments and then he ultimately stops,

if that's the scenario you're sort of creating here, in a manner in which people want him to stop everybody. Although, you know, there's certainly a fair argument to make looking at his skill set, looking at the dangers that this game presents even willing to take on the commercial byproduct of of being safe at times and what that does to your likability and overall sales and all that i mean it is effective but luke if he went out there looking to walk down and stop everybody in a more aggressive which also comes very close to bordering the town

of Reckless. I don't know if he's still champion. You know what I mean, Luke? Because you can, you know, you go in there against a Robert Whitaker and try to strike with him on the same level and give him more chances to win rather than controlling the terms like Izzy does. You may not end up having that same type of success. This is who he is, but you can win back goodwill in certain ways. You don't need to have a reboot of the Gastelum fight, which I just, you know, praise to God that I was there that day at UFC 236 and experience cage side, a, just a war. I mean, just a heroic war. It doesn't even have to be that Luke. Sometimes it'll be more circumstantial. And I think in this case

with the backstory, the opponent and the styles and how they'll probably merge together, it may be the perfect setting for him to win everybody back because I think Pineda is going to be dangerous enough and close enough where Izzy's going to at times, and maybe the majority have to end up fighting in the type of posture that people want out of him all the time. So if something like that happens, he can win back a hell of a lot of goodwill. And I think we lose this conversation, maybe not permanently, but for a while. I mean, you look back at Floyd, not a similar circumstance whatsoever, only similar in the sense that it would always behoove Floyd to talk a big game and get you in there, but then win whatever's the best strategy, removing the elements of danger and keeping that show on the road and building up his longevity and becoming the legend that he was.

I used to argue at times, Luke, that even though Floyd positioned himself purposely as the villain, which led to a very polarizing reaction to him from fans and media alike, which people think is still lingering and people think I'm always extra harsh against him, and maybe at times we hold on to certain things of, he didn't fight this guy at this time, you know, I remember the argument, that same thing, maybe we hold on to that too much. The whole point is, Luke, Floyd executed that probably the best way he should have, but I always felt like if he had been in a war in which he had to show character more than we've seen him in select moments, maybe he'd be beloved by everybody just automatically. I think for Izzy, again, it's going to have to be circumstantial. He's willing to go there again if he has to. This may be an opponent

that drags him there, but I think he's still going to put forth the performance that, you know, is going to be the same across the board it just may look better in this case because some guy may make him bring that out of there luke um it's it's weird how the crowds react to him and how the general like i cannot if you would have told me everybody he beat right when he was on the cusp of that title level and you showed me the the wikipedia page of all the fights i'd look at that and go oh shit god is God, is he McGregor? Is he right there? Where does he fit in the overall hierarchy? And the other part, too,

that would be kind of interesting is I think the momentum or lack thereof you carry into the final fight where you do get beat, again, I'm not suggesting he will or he won't. We'll figure that out on November 12th. But let's say he loses. Let's say he loses carrying in this negative momentum. That will potentially shape his legacy as well, right?

They'll rewrite it in a slightly different way. Or I guess the conversation around it, I should say, will be slightly jaded about what kind of champion he actually was, despite the record of insane fucking dominance that he had at middleweight. So there's a lot on the line here, dude. This is, and I'm, dude, They're putting it in a major media market. They're going, I love this call by the UFC, right? I love this call because they got a guy off of a fight that was lackluster and they're doubling down on the idea that this one will be the switch. Is he taking no time off, getting right back into the meat grinder exactly as he needs to,

going to the media market capital of the world, certainly of North America, and then just deciding we're going to lean media market capital of the world certainly of north america and then just deciding we're going to lean into this as heavily as possible all the chips on the table these guys have fought before first time in mma of course it's it's the right call dude it's it's good the ufc we have their criticisms of it but they are an adept they are adept promoters by and large and one of the things i really like about their dna a little bit is sometimes they know just when to lean into risk and not run from it this is one of those times we're like oh okay there's bad sentiment let's fucking push our chips in in a way where we can turn that on its head we can turn a loss so to speak into a win this is exactly the right moment

to do it and i thought they played it very, very well. Absolutely, because even if Pineda wins, and even if he wins by knockout, dude, a rematch could be huge based upon what the fight looked like before the stoppage. You know what I mean? Like, this could be like a Roy Jones-Tarver situation and keeping your intrigue of, you know,

like, this could be monstrous. But look, any criticism against who Adesanya is and his mindset coming off of that last fight, like, the fight only didn't entertain the, you know, the people that were looking for something that wasn't there. The performance-wise, you know, he was freaking brilliant. So he comes in here at this point, you know, you can argue about where his brand's at.

Where is he at physically, mentally? He's right where he needs to be to beat Pineda. So it's part of what makes this matchup so great and why even if it goes one-way traffic for Adesanya, which would be the best case scenario for the UFC and maybe the sport at the moment, you can argue that he

may be ready to meet that moment. So I can't wait. I can't wait to see this shit, Luke. He put out a post on Twitter, he put on instagram too i don't know if i saw it there but he was getting some some cosmetic dentistry or some dentistry generally or something he was getting some kind of dentist appointment or whatever and he was making a claim about his smile and and he was saying these days um people like people the word he used was like fans basically when they see him in public hold him hostage with their conversations and i'm like he is slowly revealing a very uneasy

relationship with celebrity a very uneasy relationship with it um which i'm not even like bashing him for that's not what i'm saying well do you think he's struggling with a ufc champ talk that way i don't get the picture he's struggling with it? It's unusual to hear a UFC champ talk that way. I don't get the picture he's struggling with it, which can sometimes be a difference. Do you, Luke? I get this. Again, we have not spoken to him. I would love to talk to him to get more about this.

So you're asking me to guess. My guess is he is resentful of certain forms of celebrity. Yeah. I get the feeling that the negative. No, no, I agree with that. What I'm asking you is is is he struggling with his character and what it up against the celebrity and how to navigate that i get he's frustrated at the structure of it but is he struggling with it i think he's right where he like this whole thing

like this fight can be sold on the idea that pereira knocked him out and we all saw that but i don't mentally i mean he's in a in from the outside looking in, he seems to be in a spot where I'm not even sure that's even part of the narrative here, right? That's right. I don't think that that's in play. I don't think he's, dude, I firmly believe that he believes he can and will beat Pineda, like, and in all of his preparation has been leading to this moment.

This does feel like, you know, this is, this is the, you know, everyone thought that the Whitaker test was the big test of his career. It turns out this actually might be, right? Because the Blachowicz thing was, you know, it was the Goldilocks, right? It was too hot and whatever. There were parts of like Vittori too cold or something. This feels like just the guy at just the right moment to see exactly where everything is at. And if it's where it's supposed to be, then he'll be fine.

And if not, it's all going to get revealed. And the question is, are the trappings of celebrity, are the trappings of having to get ready for guys that perhaps you didn't care about? Or maybe there's something wrong with his fight style. There's all different ways to measure these kinds of things. Pareda is going to be the one that pulls the lid off the pot and lets us see what's actually being made here. And if Adesanya is going to have

his own Anderson Silva moment in the vein of what he has been lacking up to this point in that crossover ability to grab people and keep them as interested customers loving him and not criticizing him, this is the platform to have that. God,

it's the right opponent, right venue, right time. Everything we just talked about, but if he's going to have that Aldo McGregor moment, right venue, right time. Everything we just talked about. If he's going to have that Aldo McGregor moment, it's going to be in this fight, Luke, I think. If he's going to make the leap to whatever his peak will be commercially, this fight is the fulcrum to produce that. Fulcrum. I agree. I certainly agree. Alright, let's move to point

number four here, if we can, BC. I love your use of fulcrum. Let's talk PFL. I think it was PFL I put six in the in the lineup but I think it was uh PFL seven took place on Friday so we now have some basically some finalists in two of the weight classes in lightweight and light heavyweight so it's going to be Olivier Aubin-Mercier facing um Stevie Ray at lightweight and then it's going to be Omari Akhmedov taking on Rob Wilkinson. I'll just ask the question this way,

because I know PFL is probably not the biggest priority for our audience. Who of these four names has really stuck out to you as somebody who is heading into the finals with some real momentum? Omari Akhmedov, Luke. Really? Interesting. That would be the least of my answers, but okay. We weren't talking about him at all or really caring. It's like, oh yeah, the guy that lost to Weidman,

you know, he's been up, he's been down, but he's a tough out. Well, Luke, he's in a new weight class. And he's been a light heavyweight before, but he's in this and he's supposed to fight, of course, Shoeface Antonio Carlos Jr., who was really coming in with momentum and it didn't happen. But he did get a Josh Silvera who, while still young and will grow from this loss unquestionably

and wasn't handled, so to speak, just got out-pointed, out-techniqued in a close fight statistically. Dude, Akhmedov rose to the occasion, did what he had to do, and, you know, Luke, he may end up, you know, he's got a shot to win this thing now. And maybe this is only a case of what I thought of him before this, and maybe I wasn't as in tune necessarily. But he jumped through the screen in some very subtle ways here to do what he had to do against a young opponent

who the betting oddsman thought was going to come in and really make his career with this fight. Introducing the new McSpicy from McDonald's. It looks like a regular chicken sandwich, but it's actually a spicy chicken sandwich. McSpicy. Consider yourself warned. Limited time only at participating McDonald's in Canada. Get groceries delivered across the GTA from Real Canadian Superstore with PC Express. Shop online for super prices and super savings.

Try it today and get up to $75 in PC Optimum Points. Visit superstore.ca to get started. I am, um, that's not who I have. That's not, I, I, cause here's the thing. I saw the, the Silvera fight as well. Silvera, this was what his 10th fight, something like that. You know, I just didn't... Silvera has... Yes, he's 9-1. So, you know, he looked to me like a good fighter, but a very green fighter. You could just tell.

It wasn't like he was making a lot of mistakes, although he kept circling into Ogmatov's power the entire time, which was a bad call. By the way, contrast that with Jeff Neal, who also had open stance, who kept moving to his outside flank and then just tearing up Luque as a consequence. So yes, there is some underdevelopment there, but it wasn't like he was making a ton of bad choices.

The wrestling was there a little bit, but he didn't have the control. One of the ways you can spot, people are like, what's the ways you can spot development? It's not just the mistakes that fighters make, because even very good fighters make mistakes. It's not so much that. Ask the question, what can they do? Right? So if their game gets taken away or somewhat neutralized or some control, do they have some other ability to go

to that? And you can see they're just he didn't have great control on the ground. He didn't have ability to switch stance. He didn't have ability to like pump a jab in that way. And so there wasn't just a whole lot he could do. So I don't know how much to read into that win. I will tell you for me... Well, dude, he had some spunk and

grit to him, though. I mean, he... No, no, no. He's a good... Listen, dude, I don't have anything bad to say about Josh Silvera. My only point is, Akhmedov is way more experienced. I mean, Akhmedov has fought and lost and beaten a different class of opponents for years. Like, you know, this

was a huge ask of silvera given where he's been in the game and i thought given those considerations he performed quite admirably it was just you were asking too much from a guy who was still he's still getting his bearings in the fight game akhmedov is a guy like i think 30 fights deep you know he's got three times the level of experience of course so you're you're not surprised necessarily by how it played out, even though, again, Akhmedov was the slight betting underdog. But I was impressed with the veteran skills he showed and the way that he was able to sort of keep it on the terms he needed

to get it done. And, again, now he advances to the finals when I didn't really look at this draw ahead of time and pick him. Maybe the guy who would have won it, Shoeface, is now out. So it does open up a door for him that's huge. But Luke, I know you're a hashtag girl dad like the late Kobe RIP, but did you catch feels like I did

during the Silvera father and son vignette beforehand, Luke? You know what I mean? I skipped it. Oh, God. Brazilian Shrek was crying. It was beautiful, Luke. It was like Harry Chapin should have been playing in the background, you know? And I mean, it was, Luke. It was like Harry Chapin should have been playing in the background.

I mean, it was... Listen, I'll just say this. The light heavyweight contest to me is not all that inspiring. Rob Wilkinson has been flattening people left and right on his way to get there and does have some ability. Akhmedov maybe will beat him because he's just careful. Akhmedov

loses against much better guys, but not against like really wild guys so i tend to think he might get it done i'll tell you for me it's got to be olivier albin marcia right want to remind everyone the dude has not lost since he left the ufc and who he lost in the ufc was hernandez when hernandez was on the two best streak of his career gilbert burns who decisioned him and saryukin who decisioned him since then he has won every fight and in this particular season yes he started off by the way beating the previous champion from PFL beating Natan Schultz then he beat last season's champion Haushman Fio and then he fought

Alex Martinez on Friday dropped him a couple of times with a left hand took his back dude my man is cooking in the pfl and stevie ray has had some tough fights two of them notably notably back-to-back against uh anthony pettis and he does have some clear ability i want to be very clear about that but the guy who looks more complete more physically ready to keep up with the demands of the pfl schedule and it just seems to be much more in a great place i think it's all been marcia I think he's going to collect a million dollars when the season's over. Dude, he has like a stubborn swagger to him that's like, I figured out how to get the best out of me in this moment.

I know the secret that no one else does, and he's not out there finishing guys left and right and making highlight reels necessarily, Luke, although he could produce that, but it's just been gritty. It's been work on the ground. It's been hard-ass jabs. I mean, he's just been out there, and Luke, you're down with OAB. Yeah, you know me. You know what I'm saying?

I mean, do you get what I'm putting out there, Luke? I get that because I'm a washed piece of trash like you. I wonder about the 25-year-olds watching this show. What does that mean? I don't even know what that means anymore. Luke, do you think Ray Flores, by the way, who took over for Lillian Garcia and was announcing there at the Hulu Theater, shout out to our boy

Sugar Ray, do you think he was able to order a drink from the Smart Cage? It's like, you know, Stevie Ray, everybody, I'll have a Jack and Coke. I mean, just, you know. Dude, if your Smart Cage doesn't order you spicy Thai Pad Thai from the local Thai place in your neighborhood, what can it do?

Really? Exactly. The answer. Do you notice no one can mention the cage without calling it the smart cage? It's like, you know, that's like grandfathered in like they know it before they turn the microphones on. If you're going to mention that fucking fighting surface, you better say the damn smart cage. I'm just going to start calling things smart when there's no reason to do that. Like, I'm going to go to the doctor and be like, hey, doctor, can you look at my smart balls?

They have. You're like, hey, Rogan, my smart co-host. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know. Okay. You know, I'm just, hey, I'm going to go to the dentist and have him look at my smart teeth. It's like, why are they smart? I don't know.

PFL calls their cage smart for no fucking reason whatsoever. So why can't we do it. Why can't we do it? Why can't we do it? Last but not least, we go to point number five. There was some boxing over the weekend. Quickly, let's get to it. A guy you're high on that makes it appointment viewing for me, Virgil Ortiz, he stops Michael

McKinson. Did a pretty good job of it. What can we say about how good Virgil Ortiz looked? McKinson, by the way, early on on trying to fight fire with fire but he got overwhelmed quickly I didn't love this matchup coming in and it kind of played out in some ways to the not worst case scenario but the whole point is Virgil Ortiz Jr. who's now 19 and 0 with 19 KOs he's the he's the damn goods what is he 25 years old 24 years old I mean he is the goods will. Will he beat those super damn Crawford Spence

level elites at the highest level? I don't know. I want to see it. Okay. That's sort of where he's at right now. This just wasn't the opponent to test that. Even though McKinson's a good boxer, even though he's beaten what they said, four of his last six opponents on the streak he was on were undefeated. He was undefeated, too. He was tough, Luke. But he had two knockouts coming in. It's not that we don't need to see Virgil Ortiz against a boxer. It's just that I want to find out if I have any concerns about Virgil Ortiz Jr. on the highest level. If he's got some poise when it comes to knowing when to stay in a brawl.

Because he loves to brawl. He's a two-handed puncher, a great body puncher, as you saw in the eighth and ninth round when he stopped McKinson. I'm probably butchering that guy's name. I mean, the guy had balls. Okay, I'll say that, of course. But I want to see if Virgil can maneuver that superpower that he has.

I want to see that. No, he ended up changing trainers. Not with Robert Garcia anymore. He's with his dad. We didn't get that out of this fight. Now, what's interesting, Luke, and what's more, well, before we talk about his future, where are you at knowing that Boots Ennis is freaking coming in the hierarchy of even though we haven't seen them all fight each other, and in the young guy's case, we haven't seen them pass the monster test, although let's give Ortiz credit. He stopped Mean Machine, right?

He's been fighting guys that had a pulse, you know, for leading into this. Where do you put Virgil Ortiz right now at Walter Wade? In that sort of mythical pound for pound of what we don't know. I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking, like, how do I think he compares to Boots? I don't. I think he's got a different style. But I think Boots could handle his

pressure and toughness, but is way slicker than him. Way slicker. Like he's slick enough where he could be the boxer if he absolutely has to. Absolutely he can. Yes, he has that gear. He definitely has that gear, but I don't think that's his

best work. Whereas I think Boots could brawl a little bit. I don't think he could brawl. He could fight fire with fire, but his level of craft is just it's not even a fair fucking comparison because Boots might be like, who knows how far he's going to go. Right now, it seems tremendous. Until he proves us wrong, Boots is young LeBron.

And that's just the truth right now. So it's like, who is... Comparisons on some level aren't even fair. Like, are you asking me, do I think he can be a belt holder at 147? Virgil Ortiz? Yeah, I do. You know, unified, potentially. Well, I mean, it depends on the division shakes out, obviously.

But when the Bud Crawfords and the Spences age out, like, it's going to be up for grabs. And yeah, I think there's a real possibility there he could claim one. Okay, well, here's where it's time to have that next step conversation because this win makes him the number one contender to the WBO title held by Terrence Crawford, who was there because he was in his boy Mo Hooker's corner in one of the earlier fights. He's not a mandatory where he's, like, ordered next, but he's the number one contender, which means, you know,

it's about to happen. You're about to get ordered. Obviously, we all want Crawford Spence this year. And, you know, we hear rumors come out from various outlets of exactly where the Crawford Spence negotiations are. And sometimes it's varying. Sometimes you make it, you know, it scares you to make you feel like it may not get may not happen yet or may not get signed. But then you're like, is that just public negotiation and you know leveraging and now you hear talks are happening but it's weird that Virgil Ortiz right

now if Terrence Crawford doesn't join the PBC he really represents at the moment until those big names from 140 eventually move up and those lightweights that are now going to 140 he's the biggest fight Terrence Crawford could get outside of the PBC bubble, which is massive. They have 95% of the welterweights that matter, right? It'd also be by far the biggest step up and toughest fight for Virgil Ortiz.

I don't want to even put words to this, because Errol Spence and Terrence Crawford needs to be next, and there's no excuse right now why they can't just make it next, and hopefully they will. Maybe even this year. Hopefully this year, Luke. What do you think, though? What do you think, though, is the whole setup here about Ortiz versus Bud Crawford?

What do you mean? If the talks fell apart, this guy's now the number one contender for Crawford and the only fight outside the PBC bubble that you could really get excited about at Welterweight until the young guys move up. Okay? So would you

want it? Do you think Virgil's ready? How do you even look at just an early vision of that? I think he gives Bud Crawford some things to think about and is ultimately overwhelmed onto a fight that afterwards we'd be like, we didn't really need to see that you know what I mean?

I think Virgil Ortiz would shine for large stretches and in the end Bud would do Bud things which he always tends to do and then you'd be like oh right this went about this was not the fight where we wanted to see if he could it's not the time for the Bud

apple cart to get tipped over not by a guy like this yet yet okay but in a year or two you know that's a little different would bud have to outbox him to win or do you think bud can do bud things against him like that's what that's all like risks bud takes risks yes like ortiz is not trinidad but do you have to be oscar in the trinidad fight against him and lean on the boxing and the footwork at this point because the one thing you you know about Ortiz, you don't know if he's great or not, but you know he's willing to find out. That's what you have to know if you're Crawford, though, Luke. Yes, I think Bud would outbox him for long stretches, dude. But Bud's career is marked by putting himself in firing lanes and then working around it like Neo in The Matrix.

Like that's what he likes to do. Did you get any lift just talking about this, Luke? I mean, I'm fired up right now. I'm not as fired up about it as you because I'm just so focused on Spence Crawford being made, and then we can open up the conversation to everything else because I'm like, because it feels like we're so close. There is room at the end.

Come on in. Let's make this fight. Okay, please. Thank you. All right. How about this? Mick Conlin, Michael Conlin getting back to action after that terrible loss to Lee Wood, goes out there and fights Columbia's Miguel Mariaga, and knocked him down three times.

I'll say this, man. If you had any questions, I mean, listen, here's the reality about Mariaga, right? Can box a little bit, you know, and certainly comes to fight as best he can. So, you know, he doesn't lean back and try to just win on points. He tries to bring the fight to the opponent. Can punch a little bit. I thought if, you know, Conlon should have won,

but I'll say this. If you had concerns, like, how's Conlon going to look against, yes, the guy who's ultimately overmatched, Conlon looked pretty good. He didn't look gun-shy to me at all. He was catching this guy in between punches or at the end of them. Dropped him three times.

Did good body work. This was a nice performance by Mick Conlon. It's a big win in my opinion. And it's not without criticism or the downplay. Look, the critical Twitter online reaction from the hardcores was, okay, yeah, he looked good, but Mariaga wouldn't throw anything.

And he wouldn't, Luke. It wasn't until the final round when Mariaga hurt Conlin a little bit, and why that was important was because it was the final round against Lee Wood, the fight you talked about, where Conlin ultimately got stopped in a fight that, while it was fun, he was winning. Look, the old Conlin took more chances. This, under Adam Booth, the new trainer, was a kind of reinvented guy who's leaning on his amateur background. Full-time Southpaw now after being mostly a righty and switching up a lot.

And while he needs to take risks to get inside to let the hands go, he didn't stand for prolonged periods. Look, I could make the argument and believe it, that ultimately it was his movement that disarmed Mariaga and made him not able to take big chances. And that's why it was that fight. But you could also say Mariaga was, what, 35? He'd lost before three times at the highest level.

Maybe this is just who he is, looking for that one big punch, and it never really came and kind of came close in the tenth. I don't know, Luke. I don't want to take away from it because Conlon had to go back in there against, not a softie, against a tough-ass killer, to be fair. And he passed the test with flying colors, in my opinion.

So, yeah, dude. He's going to be in title fights again in this weight class. I think he took from that loss exactly what he needed to, and now he's ready to get back in. The only question long-term, Luke, and it's always been the question about him,

is how much will his lack of elite power prevent him from being great? I do think he took too many chances earlier in his career. I think he's got to just stick to the boxing style. He's got to be like second-half Camacho of his career and just be that slick boxer. Yeah, if you have to. Stand and fight. And Conlon can get off. He had some good power hand shots there too.

But if he commits to this Southpaw game plan, Luke, that may be his best shot. Fair enough. Jake Paul also paid 50% of the purses on the undercard for the now cancelled event that was supposed to take place on Saturday, except for the ones like Brandon Lee and whatever and Amanda Serrano and their opponents. We're going to reschedule.

Nice gesture by him. Could be just PR, but even if it's PR, it's a reasonably nice gesture. So I thought I'd mention it. BC, we've got to move along because your boy does have to visit the doctor today. So that's it for our top five. Let's move on, if we can, into DMs from dogs. Let's get that going. There it is.

Hee haw. All right. These have not been great the last couple of weeks. Let's see if they can bump these up in quality. Is it from clownfart.90210? Is that the? Yeah, I don't have the list in front of me, so just throw them on the screen here. I'll read them.

Underscore, underscore. Yeah, from Cole. I know it's always like from uh tapioca underscore mayne 7529634 it's like what the fuck turk 182 what do you believe this significance is in being tough champion today uh you get saddled with a undesirable contract in trade you get a little bit more attention than you ordinarily would through your UFC entry. Is it like when you get your recording contract as a pop artist through American Idol and then they probably take like half your money for the next five years?

Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. No, it doesn't mean what it used to. Obviously, we all collectively, I believe, if I'm speaking for the hardcore fan and I'm wrong, then dead wrong me here. I think we've been over it for a long time, and we've had these discussions forever of whether it should go away. I'm not against them keeping it alive, and maybe it's a good watch. Aaron Bronstetter always stands

by that these are good watches, Luke. Aaron, one of the great things about Aaron Bronstetter is that he's nice. One of the bad things is he's so nice that he'll be too charitable for things that are bad. You know what will be the answer? Is his honest review on Thor Love and

Thunder. That will probably answer I mean, you know, if we make him the independent arbiter of these type of moral decisions, Luke, you know? I don't know if it's a moral decision. It's just Do you have bad taste in movies or do you not? My son enjoyed it, Luke, okay?

It's his favorite movie. I mean, come on. Mr. He-Boss over here, right? Are you guys going to use a photo from your time at Thor Love and Thunder and get it tattooed on your calf? Yeah, yes, I will, okay? All right, next. Throw it up there.

Let's see it. From Oso Alda Ko. all right next throw it up there let's see it uh from oso alda co any thoughts on the death of leandro low bc did you follow the story at all i didn't uh shout out to uh um lee selker mk viewer who sent me this in the dms um he's very tied into that i didn't know much about this guy luke it'd be like everyone on my facebook profile suddenly claiming that david bowie's death altered their life when i'm like well it is i know you you don't listen to bowie yeah it is incredibly sad low is uh one of the best to ever do it uh mostly in the gi not as much in nogi but uh he is a i think he is the first guy in-jitsu to win the world title at black belt across five weight classes. Now, he got one of those by closeout, but still, no one's ever done that.

He's won the world title, I think, seven or eight times. He recently just won it back in June of this year. And the story that you guys, and he's famous for something called the mermaid sweep as well. But in any case, he was in a nightclub or some kind of nightclub slash concert. Some of the reports of Brazil are a little bit unclear. But basically the story is he was partying. He was age 33.

Someone came over to his table and took a bottle of liquor and the story is that Lowe went to retrieve it and in the process had to tackle the guy and control him and then get the bottle and then they separated. And when they separated, he got shot point blank range in the face. Now what's interesting is the guy who shot him

apparently is a cop who is on the run from the law now. And I guess there is, I'm not sure about this, but there appears to be some Brazilian law that allows people to carry in certain places in ways that you might not expect. I'm not sure about that part. That seems a little bit unclear. But long story short, insanely, insanely tragic.

When I tell you Leandro Lowe was not merely well-liked but revered for his accomplishments, dude, this is bad. This is like losing one of your top five current pound-for-pound guys in the sport to a senseless murder. It's a tragedy in every way you want to look at it. And also, you know, you don't want to get into the self-defense elements of it, but, like, people carrying guns in all kinds of places,

you know, I know people tend to think that this makes them safer. It does not. As a matter of fact, it makes outcomes objectively more dangerous and awful. And here's a pretty clear case cut of that. I'm not going to argue that one Luke. I'll tell you that much. So anyway we'll see. We'll get more details. Hopefully

they can bring this guy who did it allegedly to justice but we shall fucking see. Alright from at Teeper Ramsey kind of a fucking name is that? Do you think Izzy will shoot at least once

in the Pereira fight, or will it be a kickboxing match? What do you think there, BC? Over or under one? Well, here's the deal. I mean, knee jerk, you're like, damn right it's going to be a kickboxing match. Would he deem that strategy savvy enough

to make the risk worth it, Luke? I could see him shooting, but not in the open. What I could do is I could see him shooting half-heartedly for something along the fence line against the fence. I could see that. To plant a seed? Plant a seed, set up some kind of attack, something, something like that, rather than just straight up clinching with him.

Because, like, for example, if someone's barreling down on you, what do you notice a lot of fighters do as they react? They kind of change levels to anticipate it, almost like if there's a wave coming at you, you get down to swim underneath it, right? It's kind of like that. Izzy will invite that pressure and then clinch, right? So he doesn't do that.

Does he get rid of that instinct to clinch, given who he's up against, and then clinch for the takedown and then turn him into the fence? Right? Could that be something? Whitaker is famous for this. Whitaker will go for a single leg just to turn you around so that now your back is along the fence and he's out in open space and he can

retreat. Something like that? Something like that? Yeah, that's not the... Even though those are takedown attempts, it's not the... I don't think it's the true spirit of the question of either because he's taking damage, he's going to shoot, or would that be part of his offensive strategy, Luke?

Beyond just planting a seed. I don't... No, no. This is going to be a kickboxing match. No. You've got to... I don't think he will shoot either. Luke, you Look you gotta dance with Who brung you there alright Yes I agree You mind if we dance with the old dates

Great line Luke Where's that from From the animal house Animal house yes Blutarski 0.0. All right. From at Mike underscore Godinez,

does Terrence McKinney versus Patty the Batty make the most sense at MSG? Now, BC, they're going to put Patty on that card. I guarantee it. But the idea after 277, because I don't know if you've seen it yet, you've got to go see Drew Dober versus Alves. I think it was Rafael Alves was his name, or whatever. This super jacked Brazilian

dude. Drew Dober looked awesome in that contest, and he is unranked, and he was willing to have a firefight. Patty could win that fight on the ground. Dober could win that one on the feet. It seems pretty competitive, pretty action-oriented. You could put that in Las Vegas. Or do you want to do Terrence McKinney?

I mean, is that a step too far in what would be the smart way to match Patty, who has been critically rising along with the commercial love, of course. But like, you know, I'm buying in, Luke. I'm starting to buy in here. That's the potential for a bridge too far.

I think either of those fights are fine. I'd actually say that the McKinney one, McKinney is perfectly capable of beating Patty, but, like, if he's going to have this sort of sprint style of fighting, that may be a bad for him against Patty. So the McKinney fight in that sense might be more winnable. That's going to make a fun mixed drink, though, Luke. They might just do that.

Sometimes the UFC bartenders just do that shit. Molotov for everybody, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And, of course, Bikini could win that one just as easily, too. Both of them are winnable in all the different directions. I tend to like the Dober one a little bit more. Does Cody Stammen have a barbed wire tattoo like Tom Gugliotta and Pam Anderson, Luke?

You never talk about that. I can't remember. All right. Oh, I saw some. There was one of the female grapplers yesterday. There was a big grappling super fight yesterday between Gordon Ryan and Felipe Pena. Who won? Gordon Ryan, but it's a very weird Did he talk shit after, Luke?

He always talks shit, but it was weird I'll have to explain off-air It's kind of complicated how he won, but the short answer is a cardio tap but actually not really, anyway, neither here nor there There was one of the women on that card who had an unbelievably good tattoo on her forearm, I forgot who

her name was, but I wanted to bring that up. She had very first-rate work. A picture? It never happened, Luke. I'll find it. I'll find her name. From at Hirschbar 007. Why did BC stop doing 90s references?

It was art. BC, explain yourself. Well, you know, Luke, I float sometimes. It's an arsenal in my bag um but to be fair when we lost uh good old jay for on on this show on a full-time basis although jay's still in the mk universe shout out to jay luke probably hates jay but shout out to jay just the same penny to james that is if you're talking about the artist under there uh he was a master of the 90s button we went through a period after that luke where it

became dormant to use that thing and you know when you float 90s brilliant references to the ethosphere and and it sounds like nobody's listening because as you would say to our staff often hey malcolm member it's not your fault that you were born in 1998 right you've said i mean you've said that a few times lu Yes, which you have consistently misinterpreted for now years. Congratulations. It's a good bit. It's a low bit.

It's a low-hanging bit, but I use it. It's an icebreaker, to be fair, Luke. But the whole point of this... What is the whole point of this? Oh, but lately we have had Long Island Luke, who, not young, or not old, I don't think by any means, Luke.

He's been... like... decent. not young, or not old, I don't think by any means, Luke. He's been like decent, would you say? Below decent, probably, in terms of the consistency and the picking up of the references, but at least it's making a comeback, Luke. Alright? We're seeing it more, but the short answer why we stopped doing it is we have, BC's right,

we have basically staff who just don't know it, you know? You BC's right, we have basically staff who just don't know it. You know? You gotta have another old piece of shit, which Jay was. So, we're looking for a producer between the ages of 42 and 44, please. Must love dogs and be a piece

of shit. Thank you. Yeah, does your back hurt when you get up in the morning? Apply here. That's really the answer. Okay, that is it for our top five. BC has promised that his return to BC's feces is just full of elder abuse and everything else. I is excite.

Let's see it. There are some highs here, Luke, to go along with the many lows, but you know what I do, even though it's been two weeks, I scour the globe for the good, the bad, the ugly, the highs and lows, the in-betweens in combat sports and beyond, and I call this Have You Seen This Shit? It's a shit sandwich coming

your way. Alright, Luke, you know we always start in the UFC fight night in Vegas this past weekend. You said it earlier, Juliana Killer Miller making Triple H proud with the DX crotch chop after stopping Brogan Walker Sanchez. Did they have heat in that tough house, Luke? I wasn't aware of that. I couldn't tell you.

All right, look at Coach Peña, like, yeah, doing the Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah. Dude, both of her both of her uh finalists won absolutely uh i can get down with that celebration style i you know i'm not gonna add uh what's her name again luke juliana killer miller to like my you know my bc's like favorite fighter group right like you know she's not there with like you know mahata and cheyenne but but i'm watching luke okay was that that didn't come across creepy at all right dude everything you say comes across creepy all right go to

duncan donuts and just order an eclair and that weird smirk makes me think you want to you're just awful all the time well that part actually made me true look uh luke we i thought it was a jab of death at first but this short short left hook from Mohamed Ousman, as we mentioned, took out Zach Paiuga. Luke, he was celebrating so aggressively in spitting that did you see the ringside doctor after? I'd be like, yo, dude, get it together. We're trying to check you out here.

I didn't see that. It's like Brock Lesnar when he beat Frank Mir. And he was just frothing and the mouthpiece came out. I didn't see that. It's like Brock Lesnar when he beat Frank Mir. Yes. And he was just frothing and the mouthpiece came out. I was like, that's a true animal right there. Same with Mahalo Usman. By the way, that's what I mean. Look at that nice shot.

I think he parried the punch and then came up with the left. That's just good work, bro. That's not a lot of movement. That's efficient, Luke. If that's a weapon, he's going to need a jab to set it up. That's why I didn't like some of his waiting. But, hey, he got the win. Jeff Neal, Luke, as we talked about, he fucking battered Vicente Luque in ways I didn't think was possible.

Here's the finish, Luke, if our people hadn't seen what we were talking about before. I mean, Vicente was willing to go into the drain and spin around. And Jeff Neal put him there, Luke. Dude, Jeff Neal, he was all business that Neal he was all business that night he was all business that night I really wasn't I you're right before things got derailed I thought this was possible but I had lost confidence that it was still possible he proved that wrong and restored I think a lot of interest in what he can do in this division I mean if he's doing that type of shit yeah it's different now.

But the biggest KO may have come from Brian Battle, Luke, himself, I think, a tough winner or veteran, not really sure. Head kick. He was last picked on the show. Well, these guys who get last picked, man, you've got to watch out for them. They have weird hair and weird physiques, but they'll send you to the land of wind and ghosts, motherfucker. Don't think they won.

Mr. Irrelevant, my ass. Yeah, they want Mr. Irrelevant my ass. Yeah. Exactly. Mr. Irrelevant will fuck your ass up. This was beautiful. The guy was parrying with where he was trying to, there was a lead hand battle there and the second time he does the lead hand battle, he actually steps in a little bit, which was all that battle was waiting

for. A battle measured him and blinded him with the cross, which also got him to lean into the kick and then fired the kick right behind it. That was super nice work from him. Luke, you don't need to make light of a knockout loss here, but exactly whose nudes does Sam Alvey have, Luke? Does he have the Fertitta Brothers secrets? Because here's him staying.

Just circling into the power. I mean, oh, God. Al-Faran impersonator Mihal Olesheshik, Luke, with a nice finish there. So, let's... Al-Faran impersonator. PFL playoffs from the Hulu Theater there at MSG, Luke,

and Rob Wilkinson. He once fought Izzy in the UFC. You mentioned he made the finals. He need his way to the championship round under two minutes to finish. Yeah, baby. That knee. Yeah.

Yeah, he was nice. He's marched everyone down, man. And he looks big for the weight class now, too. He's coming in there. That's why you picked Akhmedov. Akhmedov isn't the sexy choice, so to speak. Yeah. He's a little bit more the safe one.

But Wilkinson's coming in there with a hot hand, for sure. Well, Akhmedov has factory-town MMA values, though to speak. He's a little bit more the safe one, but Wilkinson's coming in there with a hot hand, for sure. Well, Akhmedov has factory-town MMA values, though, Luke. You've got to understand that. Fair enough. That's fair, yes. On the prelims, Luke, Martin Hamlet had a fight to try to get a spot on next season's roster, and he got it, Luke. He got it. This was

part of that moment. Good lord! Just so unsettling. In the face. In the face, yes. Wow. Yeah, why not another one? This was the guy Silvera had beaten. Watch him blow this all out.

It's just very normal sport. Oh, that's just a status. Are we allowed to show that? I'm not even sure. That's disgusting. Luke, BraveFC61, shout out to Kaposa for putting this in our lives. Jarno Ahrens with a heck of a judo throw here, Luke. Or did I mean to say slam, right?

I mean, let the boys be boys, right? Whoa. Wow. I have to see that one again. That was amazing. Let's see. He gets wrapped up here. Does he step around?

No. Oh. Buddy, when they post off their head like that, that's when you know shit has gone very poorly. Yeah, this is what... Oh, my God. I mean, that's like a WWE-type move, only it's real. It looks like a Harai Goshi is what it looks like.

Damn. Luke, let's go to the Adult Soapbox Derby. You've got to be high to enter this, but they do crash a lot. So let's see. I mean, why are Mario and Luigi making cars out of fucking cotton candy? I mean, what the fuck are they doing here? Well, they hit the banana peel, Luke, and there you go. I got Koopa Troopa in this one.

Dude, when the car, when the disintegrated car, what's left of it, falls on Luigi there, I get a boner. Luke, real, you know I get pumped up for real recognizing real. Here's Francis Ngannou dabbing up Deontay Wilder inside a Las Vegas gym. Wilder was also at the UFC fights over the weekend. Look how big Wilder is. Yeah, yeah. So, Luke, he's supposed to be coming back, man.

Could be fun theater. You think it's going to be Hellenius? That's a fight that's been rumored, Robert Hellenius. I mean, he's 6'7". He can punch. He seems to be on a good run after stopping Kovnatsky twice. Luke, that'd be an interesting fight, dude. I saw Kovnatsky's. Luke, that'd be an interesting fight, dude. I saw Kovnatsky's last fight

against Demirazan. I've never seen heavyweights hit each other more and not affect change in that way. Neither seemed to have much pop on that night. Yeah, yeah. You're not wrong in this regard, Luke. You know I get pumped up for tip-on-tip when it's

caught in the public eye. Look at these New York baseball legends, my two favorite baseball players of all time, Luke. Mike Piazza and Darryl Strawberry. It's not really a tip-on-tip, Luke, but we're almost there. Okay, BC, true or false? While Strawberry has been in and out of rehabs and financial destitution and all other forms of life harms. I'm going to say he's aging better than the much younger Mike Piazza.

True or false? Mike Piazza's hairline is in free fall. Yeah, I just think that's more of his style to try to fight that battle and keep it going, even to his own degradation, as you're saying. But, you know, Luke, Piazza was as cool as cool can be. I mean, you know, he married a Playboy playmate, and he, you know, remember that Sports Illustrated feature that led the first paragraph was like,

the guy who listens to Led Zeppelin and drives a Cadillac and is married to the, you know, ex-playmate. I mean, it was pretty damn cool, Luke, okay? The last thing I ever read in Sports Illustrated as a magazine was the John Rocker feature in my freshman year of college where he said all that insanely racist shit and became the enemy of New York fans for life. Good transition there, Luke, from a great moment to, yeah.

All right, hey, let's just bring on the elder abuse. Luke, this week you're going to tell me if this is too far, okay? Here's Grandpa on the slip and slide. Oh, Jesus! Oh, I can't watch it. Dude, watch this motherfucker's corpse just float. That's not funny. No, cut to the next one. Alright, Luke,

let's take Granny to the pain. Harden the pain on this basketball court, Luke. At least they are. Oh, my God. Dude, when they talk about breaking your ankles on the court, they literally broken this bitch's ankle. Oh, my God. She's falling and she can't get up.

Sometimes old people are. Hold on. Before you transition, who does that to their fucking grandma? Exactly. Your grandma. I'm going to cross you up, you fucking bitch. Who does that? Take this goddamn God to hell.

Yeah, come on. You know? Wow. Oh, you weren't point gods? You weren't shit. Exactly. Luke, sometimes old people think they're in shape, and they enter bike races, though, Luke. Not this old person.

Oh, eat a dick. Look at this piece of trash. Oh, come on. What is this? Woodstock 94? All right, let's keep it rolling. Luke, SummerSlam was in Nashville two weeks ago. I don't watch this stuff anymore, but Logan Paul is impressive as shit as an athlete here, Luke.

Yeah, I've heard good things. I have seen some highlights on Instagram, on the SportsCenter Instagram feed. I don't know shit about the sport. Yeah, yeah. I saw this is the exact one I saw. Dude, this, I mean, I don't know shit about wrestling, but this looks impressive to me. Yeah, dude, it is.

A frog splash through the Miz on an announce table. I mean, that ain't bad, Luke. Unfortunately, Kid Rock was also in Nashville at the same time. And here's a ringside close-up of him. Jesus. He looks like he has to braid his hair to keep the lice from spreading. Oh, what the fuck? Oh my God. Wow. I mean, look, the truth is I kind of grew up with this Luke. Is that Honey Boo Boo all grown up? Who is that? No, she's famous, too.

Who is that? I don't even know, Luke. Okay. There you go. They may. Yuck. Luke, also on this card. Look, this is pretty cool.

I'm throwing it in here. Their kids would fail every class in high school, even after trying. Yeah. I mean, Luke, I grew up around a lot of kid rocks. I'm gonna be really honest with you, okay? So did I. I could've went to high school with them, yeah. Yeah, dude, I grew up in the fucking South. So did I, trust me. Yeah, um, let's

go over to Brock Lesnar, Luke. I don't know if you saw this highlight against Roman Reigns. Anytime they're fucking with the ring and shit, like, I'll get into it. This is pretty badass. Dude, what the fuck? Why are we watching Brock Lesnar WWE highlights? Because that's pretty awesome. Come on, that's pretty awesome, right?

I mean, listen, if you've been hitting the head with a tire iron, I can imagine this being fun. All right, Luke, the next night in Nashville, 73-year-old Ric Flair had his final match on pay-per-view. Are they still doing Weekend at Bernie's with old Ric here? Here he fakes a heart attack on Jay Lethal to get the upper hand. Luke, he's still the dirtiest player in the game. And that's a real blade job, by the way.

Dude, Ric Flair needs to do the Hulk Hogan thing where he wears the bandana because he's got just no hair left except that shit hanging on at the end. I thought you were going to say he needs to do the Hulk Hogan thing and call out all black people. No, no, come on. Well, I mean, you can make that joke if you want. But I was going to say, dude, 73, you know, can we put a stop to this? I mean, how long is this going to keep going?

I mean, he's had many memorable final matches. WrestleMania 24 against Shawn Michaels. Luke, I love you. Oh, I mean, it was Shakespeare. It was theater. That was like 15 years ago. Was that what it was? It was like off-Broadway, though.

You know, it's like, yeah. You were like, I can't tell if this is, you know, Macbeth or Rick fucking Flair wow look let's go over we had adult abuse let's get a kid involved there let's pick out let's pick out

there we go we got a bottle rocket or some shit yeah like definitely rocket yeah you should let kids handle fucking fireworks. That's always a good idea. Oh my god. The good news is... Let me explain something to you. Let me explain something to you. Kids are not smart. Okay?

Luke, right in the pills. Right in the pills. One thing I've realized is like, you can have a smart kid, but they're still not smart. Like, shit you just understand is dangerous, they don't grasp it. No. Give that kid a Pilsner, Luke. Wow, shit you just understand is dangerous, they don't grasp it. No. Get that kid a Pilsner, Luke. Wow, that's just yeah. Woo!

Alright, let's go to weightlifting fails. Luke, that's a good transition. I think this brings new meaning to the deadlift, right? So he's squatting. High bar. Yeah, that's it. Oh, go for it. Was that his eyeballs? What the fuck fell out? Some people thought it was teeth, but it was his earbuds. Yeah, that's it. Oh, go for it. Were those his eyeballs? What the fuck fell out?

Some people thought it was teeth, but it was his earbuds. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. His ear pods or whatever the fuck they're called. Yeah. Yeah, my man. Let's see. He goes AT. Yeah, he just loses all control in the descent. You have to bail backwards. You have to let it go backwards, not carry you forwards. Fall forwards

is what they always would tell you at the valedictorian speech. Fail forward. Luke, does a lift count if you can't steady your legs afterwards and stay put? Yeah, you have to hit lockout. You have to achieve lockout. All right, this guy had issues with that, Luke. He lost all control on the descent, and by the time he got to the bottom, it was over. Here's this guy trying to—

Oh, oh, oh. Oh, here, take this. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, my man never pitched it behind—you got to pitch it over the center of your body. He pitches it in front. See that? Yeah.

I mean, it almost looks like he's trying to, like— Yeah, that's rough. Here, hold this for me. No, take that L yourself there. Luke, Hall of Famer James Toney with a lifting fail under your harsh critiques. I mean, this guy could kick your ass, and he's in there with these gardening gloves. Luke, is that acceptable to lift weights with those? These are the gloves that the guys on the Alaskan crab boats wear in the middle of the Arctic Circle and shit like that. Why is he wearing these gloves?

Maybe he doesn't want to develop calluses. I mean, he's still lifting hard. It's like, dude, after this is over, are you shucking oysters or something? Have you seen those guys? Because they have to grab the oyster and they have to have it rubberized against the blade. Yeah, yeah. What the fuck are you doing, my guy? All right.

Hey, sign of the week luke this is a throwback to 2013 but uh this guy huge espn fan penis penis penis penis that's clever i mean i'm here for this all day i'm not i'm not gonna i'm not gonna apologize for loving this okay uh white folks are out in the wild this week luke you know that makes our listeners mad but here we go uh you put a white guy on a bmx ramp and uh suddenly good things happen oh boy yeah that's just that's just good old-fashioned white fun right yeah we got more white fun on the street ramps if we can transition from one yeah there next. I had someone reach out to me being like, you're too mean to BC. I'm like, you idiots. I'm not mean enough.

Oh, KO, Luke. That bike, wow. Let's see. Well, you know what? He really got airborne with that, you know? That's really what stood out to me. Luke, I take those emails

of criticism seriously, though. So how about a white guy win? Hold on. Has anyone, all the mockery you've ever done of me with like the david hasselhoff thing has anyone ever written you ever to say you were too hard on me even no no not one right exactly so all of you fucking soft children who can't can't take a joke shut the the fuck up. Okay. Wow.

Luke, we're laughing at you, not with you. Yeah, I get it. I get it. But it's like, dude, they run into White Knight you in the most pathetic of ways. And I don't get the same courtesies, so eat shit is what I would say. You treat them like when you're the only adult in a three-on-three driveway basketball game against kids and you're crossing people over. Like that kid did his grandma? Yeah, exactly like that. All right.

Luke, how about a white guy win to turn the tide here? Check out this street dancing. If I could add one thing to my tool belt right now, it's these moves right now. This fella. They've turned this fella into a meme. It's like, oh, that Friday feel when you're getting out of the office. This is me on the way to the Krispy Kreme or whatever.

My man's got some footwork. If you got that footwork, Luke, you just bang, right? Yeah, I mean, he's definitely plowed half the chicks in those gig of dresses or whatever. Wow, Cocktoberfest indeed. All right. Luke, let know, gigam dresses or whatever. Wow. Cocktoberfest, indeed.

All right. Luke, let's bring Karen on a motorbike. I'm sorry. It's what the people want, okay? I mean, a good start for her here. Big country here is not ready for a couple of times yet. Oh, my God. She got much humble. No, no, no, Luke.

Wow. From that telephone pole. My favorite is when they try to use their feet to break. Watch. Yeah. Oh, no. Luke, I've got a game here that I know you love because I do, too. It's called Would You Eat This?

Okay, Luke, here we go. Let's start with the old. Apparently, you can buy this probably in the South, Luke. Made by Primo. It's hot dog balls and tomato paste probably not probably not you dip the wieners in the saw in the tomato sauce is it are they smart wieners all right uh let's go over this one look there's a real thing in the i think in the midwest uh these do not have delta not eight or nine properties in them but it's uh craft mac and

cheese gummies okay well that is horrendous and you wouldn't try that oh i tried i tried okay there you go there you go i don't have a shit cake for you luke but i got a shoe cake on this one would you would you take a slice of this let's see oh there's all those like is it a cake and then this you know it's actually like yeah I try I think I think it's a cake the thing is I forget the name of the substance but there's a kind of like it's an edible cake frosting is the thing that holds it together oh yeah and you can eat it but it clearly tastes like not that great Edible cake frosting is the thing that holds it together. Oh, so it's like glue. Yeah, and you can eat it, but it clearly tastes, like, not that great. Long Island Luke is saying it's fondant.

Fondant, yeah, fondant. Fondant? Oh, I gave it a French, you know, because I'm directly related to the Quebec, the Quebecois, Luke. Yeah, the ones who are Welsh, Lithuanian. Would you... I am a man of many shades luke uh including beige would you try this uh would you take a bite of this chocolate bar luke this is a real thing again this is in south korea the flavor cheese and onion chocolate who would i take a bite i would try it

i would try it i don't know if I would eat the whole bar you ever go to Ocean State job lot Luke and it smells so weird in there but they always have stuff like this in the candy section maybe not this bizarre okay I guess you know those that know know one more for you Luke

also a real thing Coca-Cola flavored Pringles wow um Coca-Cola flavored Pringles. Wow. Yes, I would try it. Wow, long pause on there. Yeah, I bet you they suck.

I was going to tell you a story of one time I urinated in a Pringles can and left it on a high school bus, but I'll save that for another time. Oh, my God. Wow. Yeah. All right. Yeah, that's all. No, I got one more piece of shit for you, Luke. You should like this.

I think they call it the hot box and ice box challenge, Luke. Could you pass this challenge? So it's... Okay, it's an ice bath. Alright. I don't know if it's for ALS, Luke, but I'll donate if you can do this. Alright. So far, so good.

Okay, that's... By the way, these ice baths are harder than they look, by the way. And then they... Oh, they turn the tubes up. And then... Oh, they just smoke out in there. Yeah! Bro, you want to talk about active recovery.

Wow! Wow! Wow! Dude, every MK show should be done in these dudes' yard. Yes, yes. Just like this. What does Kevin Hart have, cold as balls? Look, we should do a show like that with this setup right here.

Yeah, there it is. Just leave me in there and tell my wife and kid I loved him. That's the dream, isn't it? That's all the shit I got for this week, Luke. I hope you enjoyed it. Thank you. It was great. It was great.

BC, let's remind the folks, you can vote for us for the World MMA Awards, which would be very beneficial for us. You can pay us back that way. We'd always appreciate that when you do. WorldMMAAwards.com slash nominees. QR code on the screen if you want to just do that. Or if you're listening again, worldmmawards.com slash nominees of course, showtime.com is the label that pays

showtime.com, 30 day free trial, if you like it you can keep it if not you can bounce morningcombat.store for all the merch NBC, I will see you tomorrow any final thoughts for today's show? welcome back buddy thank you very much for that, thank you to our people who filled in thank you to the audience who welcomed me back

in the DM so aggressively, thank you to our our people who filled in thank you to the audience who welcomed me back in the dm so aggressively thank you luke um we'll be in proximity tomorrow there was something i wanted to ask you i forgot it no you know it's i mean it could have been brilliant it probably was but i i don't have it anymore look it's gone well i have to go have the doctor look at my smart code. So looking forward to that here today. All right. Yeah. That's it. That's all. BC, let's close this out. I'm glad to have you back.

It's hot as balls, Luke, outside and inside. Like, I'm in a sweat box right now. Yeah, it's hot. It's hot as balls. I got to get going. We will have a ton of content coming your way. BC and I are going to be recording on our... Basically, we're going in on our off day, is really the reality here, to just put a ton of content coming your way. BC and I are going to be recording on our basically we're going in on our off day

is really the reality here to just put a ton of stuff in the tank. Chuck. We call him Chuck too. Chuck's going to be there. Live MK show on Monday from the studio so that will be fun as well. Be on the lookout for that. BC, I'm glad to have you back my friend. There is really no one who can fill that chair

quite like you and I look forward to seeing you tomorrow and then not hanging out at night when you reject my advances to be my friend. There is really no one who can fill that chair quite like you, and I look forward to seeing you tomorrow and then not hanging out at night when you reject my advances to be a friend. I told my wife about that. She goes, yeah, he probably knows it too. You're an asshole. I'm working on it. Thank you. That's all I got. Hey, I'll say this.

Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to leverage the audience against you. BC, tomorrow night, Bo Nickel is fighting on the contender series do you want to watch contender series yes i do yes i do all right so we can watch contender series and have uh lots of gummies that may or may not have tie take out yeah it's a tie take up what is our producers like set up a cam tell you what you motherfuckers can set up a cam how about that how about that i'm not lifting a finger not lifting a finger for that all right we'll talk

about you want a lot wait you want to do a mk live stream of uh the contender series luke is that what you're asking me i think they're trying to get they're trying to bring every ounce of water out of this uh weekend that we're up there or Or two days, anyway. Probably not. All right. BC, glad to have you back for Malka, for Showtime, for CBS Sports. This has been MK. We will see you guys live Wednesday in studio in the bomb shelter.

And until then, may all of your gains be loyal.