MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC Fight Night: Makhachev-Green | Bryce Mitchell | Quick Hitters | Ep. 268

Episode Date: February 23, 2022

The boys are back in studio for episode 268 of Morning Kombat! Luke and Brian start by discussing the biggest storylines of UFC Fight Night: Makhachev vs. Green. Next up the guys discuss Bryce Mitchel...l's wild interview with Ariel Helwani. The boys also break down Josh Taylor vs. Jack Catterall and Chris Colbert vs. Hector Luis Garcia. They close out the show with Quick hitters, Wheel of death and fan submissions. (15:50) - UFC Fight Night: Makhachev vs. Green (34:10) - Bryce Mitchell (44:50) - Bellator 275 Storylines (57:40) - This Weekend in Boxing (66:40) - Quick Hitters Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Reveille, Reveille, dogs. Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life. This is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell. This is Morning Combat. We went from nasty to Nas, from Nas to Escobar to back in studio.
Starting point is 00:00:25 Hello, bitches. Hi, my name is Luke. You might not be bitches at all. My name is Luke Thomas. This is Brian Campbell. And this is Morning Combat. I don't know what number it is. 200-something.
Starting point is 00:00:38 How about just number one? Just number one. Number one in our hearts. We have a lot to get to. We have Makhachev Green. We have some Bryce Mitchell reaction. We have some Bryce Mitchell reaction. We have some boxing this week. We're going to spin that old bitch.
Starting point is 00:00:49 We're going to spin the wheel of death. We're going to do fan subs. Hey, we got a lot to do, bitches. Yeah, there's a magic in the air, Luke, when you take you, me, and this Delta 8 infested set here in Jersey City. This is where we make the magic. So great to be back here with the staff, Luke. Great to not have COVID this time. We'll give it to anybody.
Starting point is 00:01:11 So that's fantastic. Can you believe, actually, I don't know if this is true, but I've never tested positive for COVID. Do you think I've actually never had it or that I just got it and didn't know it? Are you asking for my projected answer or I'm asking for Dr. Campbell. Or Bryce Mitchell's projected answer. Dr. Campbell from the Naugatuck School of Bedpan Technology. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:30 That's where you got your MD. Did I not get it or did I get it and not know it? I would say you got it. You never had it, Luke. I'm going to go with got it and didn't know it because it's too, too, I don't believe that. But who gives a fuck? No one really cares about it. People don't come here for your politics, dude.
Starting point is 00:01:43 They don't come here for my COVID takes. They come here for our good time feels. And, Luke, this week, okay, we'll be here today, Wednesday. We'll be here Friday. We'll actually be here for a lot of stuff that people will see down the road as we bank a lot of fantastically great content. We're also going to be covering Bellator weigh-in, Showtime Championship. We're going to be doing a lot of stuff here, Luke.
Starting point is 00:02:02 You know, if they've got jobs, we'll turn that camera on. We'll cash their checks. So this should be a profitable, productive couple days here, Luke. Very lucrative. Very Ferengi-like to say that. So you can see there Showtime.com, 30-day free trial. If you like it, you can keep it. If not, you can go do something else.
Starting point is 00:02:18 Of course, if you're watching on YouTube, thumbs up, hit subscribe, all that kind of stuff. If you're listening on a podcast platform, whatever it may be, give us a nice review there. How good is our set, Luke? It's new. This is our second time. Well, why don't you tell the folks what we did
Starting point is 00:02:29 right before the show went live? You know, remember we complained about some things that we ordered that didn't get picked up and collected mostly everything Luke wanted for his side. But we have the beginning of a library over Luke's shoulder here of books he would have actually chosen to read. And then over my shoulder, Luke, new vinyl. I mean, we're, you know, we're really, Luke, I don't know. Is this where, this is the local factory where I live and it's where the
Starting point is 00:02:57 local rapes and murders take place. That factory has since been blown up, but that was where they filmed the end of War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise. A little bit of Naugatuck, Connecticut trivia there. Well, that tells you, like, hey, we need some place in America, but it's actually a dystopian future where aliens have ransacked us. Well, actually, B.C.'s hometown still looks like that. But over your shoulder. I've lost so much weight that my neck has turned into a, well, I'm a pencil neck geek now.
Starting point is 00:03:22 All right. Look at this. I wasn't a fat neck geek before. Web Scream approved. Just. They say Fridays are for Art Luke now. Every day in this set because of one Christos Christoforos of Italy.
Starting point is 00:03:34 I don't know if they can see the books I put on here either. Are you? Wow, you're just going to no-sell? No, no, no. Those are great, but I mean, they showed your shelves.
Starting point is 00:03:41 They can't show mine? No? Can't see shit over there? The set is busy. All right, well, there we go. I think they're recording their own podcast. There's a couple of books. There's Nozick's Invariances.
Starting point is 00:03:51 There's little John Keats poems. That's not mine. That's just old books. You can go up. That's the old book bullshit. And then there's a couple over there. Oh, it's Thomas Piketty's Capitalism and then Theory and Relativity. So, like you vaping on air to prove that you're hard or something?
Starting point is 00:04:09 No, I'm just addicted to nicotine already. Is this just to prove that you're educated? Those are all books. Those are my favorite books that I've maybe ever read. That's why they're on that list. Do you think if more of our fan base would be willing to read them, maybe join some type of MK book club that January 6th will never happen again? Actually, yes.
Starting point is 00:04:27 I can civilize these fucking feral animals. Luke, people, you know, they don't like to watch the beginning of our shows. They try to fast forward through, apparently. You know, I think it's our best stuff. It's our worst stuff. We just bullshit. We have fun. We shout at our sponsors.
Starting point is 00:04:41 We showcase gifts and awards. We did. In fact, this got sent to my house, and I put it up because I just wanted to see how it looked on the shelf. But it wasn't for my home. It's for this home. Oh. And BC gets the chance to do it. Hey, get me a key grip.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Get me somebody very valuable to bring this shit in. Hey, Phil, remember? You remember Phil. That's right, Phil. I like women dead and or alive. Phil, can we bring you in a little bit more? I don't know if people can see this guy, Phil, remember? You remember Phil. That's right, Phil. I like women dead and or alive. Phil, can we bring you in a little bit more? I don't know if people can see this guy, Phil, right here. One of the key members of Malka.
Starting point is 00:05:11 He's the guy in the back of the bus. Now, Phil, since we outed you as a Cougar lover, did your DMs fill because of the rub you got on this show? Non-stop. Okay, okay. It's been never-stop. Okay, okay. It's been never ending. You like some high, you like some low, Luke.
Starting point is 00:05:27 All right? You're as high as a giraffe right now. All right, thanks. That was pretty good. All right, Luke, this, as we said, is what hard work looks like. Dedication. The World MMA Awards. People are like, how big is the victory lap for MK here?
Starting point is 00:05:44 I know. How many times can we rub it in people's faces? The stand was always a little wide. Do you hold it right here, Luke? I don't really. There you go, BC. Show the folks. I want to read it first. 13th annual Fighters Only World MMA Awards Best MMA Programming.
Starting point is 00:06:02 So, Luke, this isn't the only award we're going to put in this new studio, by the way. We're going to win more? Well, we're trying to win more. I don't know if you've been to sportspodcastawards.com, but we're still fighting off the competition there. But, again, shout-out to Fighters Only, the World MMA Awards for having this. But shout-out to you, MK Viewer. Finally, this trophy has come home to the bomb shelter, the orchids of combat.
Starting point is 00:06:24 Luke, we haven't given the new set a new name. The Winner's Circle? It's just a dick in a box, right? Go back to Naugatuck and get whatever diseases that got Marie Curie. All right. Phil, can we get Phil back in here? This thing is just
Starting point is 00:06:45 not going to stay in because it never does. There you go. Thank you to Fighters Only for sending that along and thanks to everyone else who voted for us.
Starting point is 00:06:50 Again, sportspodcastawards.com is the latest one. Oh, we should talk about one of our partners. That we are up against.
Starting point is 00:06:57 So, Sports Podcast Awards. This is where they usually have the lower third, Corey. But I guess we don't have one.
Starting point is 00:07:02 There it is. Sportspodcastawards.com. Go ahead and give us a vote if you haven't already. I hear, I hear, I hear Hawani's knocking on our door. He might be. He might be. If you're coming on, right? You know. But you see, I want to talk about our, our next partner. They have a product I use every day, including today. I start with Athletic Greens because I want better gut health, more energy, and I don't like taking pills. We like it, Luke, because at the end of the day, it doesn't taste healthy.
Starting point is 00:07:29 And let's be honest, you want to be healthy. You got the black liver. Your back is a mess. But nobody wants to actually taste healthy. Well, this has kind of a mild tropical taste that I actually look forward to each morning, Luke. When I pour that glass of water and I put in the powder and I stir it up, that's how I start my day. Just a hint of sweetness, by the way. With one delicious scoop of Athletic Greens, you're absorbing 75 high-quality vitamins, minerals, whole foods, sourced superfoods, probiotics, and adaptogens. Tell me to start your day right.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Yeah, absolutely. And this special blend of ingredients, it supports your gut health, your nervous system, your immune system, your energy, your recovery, your focus, and aging, Luke. And, you know, if we can do anything to not look 43 and washed. Well, I can't put all that responsibility on Athletic Greens to not look like a pathetic old piece of shit. However, what I can say is it's very easy and convenient to take. I can take it when there are days when I'm off or when I'm working, BC.
Starting point is 00:08:20 It's so convenient, in fact, that I'll probably start to travel with it, Luke, on my way to cashing giant checks. It's lifestyle-friendly whether you eat keto, paleo, vegan, dairy-free, gluten-free, contains less than one gram of sugar, no GMOs, no nasty chemicals, artificial anything, while still tasting good. You know what I like best about it?
Starting point is 00:08:38 The price. It costs less. Great, great commando reference I made right there, by the way. It costs less than $3 a day. You're investing in your health. And look, it's cheaper than that cold brew habit you got. You'll, you'll, uh.
Starting point is 00:08:52 BC, taking Athletic Greens is a small micro habit with big benefits. It's one thing you can do every single day to take great care of yourself. If you're wondering what others think of this, well, Athletic Greens has over 7,000 five-star reviews and is trusted by leading health experts such as Tim Ferriss and Michael Gervais. Right now, it's time to reclaim your health and arm your immune system with convenient daily nutrition, especially heading into flu and cold season. It's just one scoop in a cup with water every day. That's it. No need for a million
Starting point is 00:09:20 different pills and supplements to look out for your health. And Luke, to make it easy, Athletic Greens is going to give away a free one-year supply of the immune-supporting vitamin D for all of us new customers here through Morning Combat and five free travel packs upon your first purchase. So how about that deal? All you have to do is visit athleticgreens.com slash morningcombat and tell them BC sent you. Again, that is athleticgreens.com slash morningcombat and tell them BC sent you. Again, that is athleticgreens.com slash morningcombat. Do not tell them BC sent you to take ownership over your health and pick up the ultimate daily nutritional insurance. That is a workaround.
Starting point is 00:09:55 That's an easy way to supplement your health, really. I mean, it's great. It's a no-lose situation is the way I like to describe it. The only thing you'll lose is weight. That's right. And then you'll have a neck like mine. And then you look at my wedding ring. I had to put this on so it stays on.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Isn't that weird? I lost so much weight that my wedding ring was coming off when I was washing the dishes. And I could just shake it off. Your hands do look Andre the Giant size compared to mine. Well, they're thinner now, and I've got this skin condition. Wow. I mean, a lot of people are wondering, like, you know, what will happen first? Will we outlive the show? Will the show outlive us? We're on pace, though.
Starting point is 00:10:28 No, I'm on verge to die in six months, even with this special situation. All right, BC, you ready to get this going? Yeah, how many minutes did we spend doing that? Fifteen. Too many. All right, let's get this going if we can. Topic number one, we start with weekend storylines. I believe I'm on this camera. Yes, there we go. UFC Fight Night, Machev vs. Green. Of course that is going to be UFC Vegas 49.
Starting point is 00:10:49 And in your main event, late replacement, it was supposed to be Benil Dariush, it's going to of course be Bobby Green taking on Islam Makachev. There are some other interesting fights on the card, BC, but all eyes are on Green coming in here on short notice against a guy who is presumed to be, if not the next champion, easily the next title contender. BC, my question for you about Bobby Green is, can he get it done? How doable actually is this? Well, the odds are against him, and you want to know,
Starting point is 00:11:16 well, how much are the odds against him? I mean, our friends at DraftKings, I think, have it minus 900, the favorite, Mahachev, and then obviously, you know, he's over 1,000 on some other books. When you consider the run Mahachev is on, the nine-fight unbeaten streak, the whole idea that we could be watching,
Starting point is 00:11:34 I don't want to say the next Habib, but excuse me, if somebody looks like they could be the next Habib, with Habib in their corner, it's certainly this guy. All of those things are stacked up against Bobby Green. Except Luke, for how he's wired and how he's made. And I wanted to be direct and deliberate with this when we reviewed when this news first came out. And I sort of said, look, this is daring to be great right here. Is it daring to be crazy? Well, it is a little bit, but I think there's a major
Starting point is 00:11:59 difference between what Bobby Green's trying to do here and what guys in the past have done to just sort of say, F it. I'll turn around on short notice. I'll be a company man. I want that paycheck, whatever. I think there's larger stakes in this for Bobby. I mean, you know, he was not even considered in contendership, even with stopping L.A. Quinto two fights ago. But then he comes out and does that against Nasrat Hakparast. How about that? Right? Yes. All right. And now suddenly we're like, is he a sneaky top ten contender? Oh, how about you fight the number one contender?
Starting point is 00:12:35 The guy that maybe in a different world would have already fought for the title. The stakes are so high that I have so much respect for why Bobby Green is doing it. Knowing at 35, Luke, can he create his own Jorge Masvidal 2019? Can he sort of maximize what makes him great in a short window and go all in on it? I have to say, Luke, he is giving himself a fighting chance. So does he have a chance? You know, how big are the odds against him? They are large against him, especially the style matchup. You know, first and foremost, maybe the style matchup.
Starting point is 00:13:03 But Bobby Green thrives when he's, you know, first and foremost, maybe the style matchup, but Bobby Green thrives when he's, when he's talking some shit, Luke. And, and, and, and I say that because, you know, guys have talked shit and not been successful, but when you get Bobby Green wired in like he is right now in this level focused and operating on this high level skillset, and you throw in that flavor of him being dangerous and, and, and, and just going for it. If it was somebody else, Luke, I would be, I'd be a little, I'd count them out a lot more. I think Bobby Green has enough of a wild card into this moment that it's worth the risk, certainly. But I think you can't properly calibrate just looking skill for skill at the moment because this guy is riding a momentum surge. Is that surge as
Starting point is 00:13:43 large as the wave that Masvidal created? Like, I don't think so, Luke. But sometimes you ride the hot hand. Look at the NFL playoffs. How many teams come in? 10 and 6, and then suddenly they're making a run to the Super Bowl. I think his chances increase greatly based on all of those circumstances that opened the door on 10 days' notice for him to take this fight. It's interesting.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Caesar Sportsbook has this fight with the odds of Islam Makhachev at minus 800, Bobby Green plus 550. That would make it by far the biggest disparity of any fight on the card. In fact, all of them are pretty competitive. Hardly anyone. I don't think anyone else outside of minus or plus 300 along that way. Which, given the circumstance, you mentioned top contender, late notice. What can you really expect from Bobby Green in this circumstance?
Starting point is 00:14:21 The other thing to think about here is, BC, I agree with you that a defensive Bobby Green is, I'm not going to call it worthless, but that's not going to win him this circumstance. The other thing to think about here is, BC, I agree with you that, like, a defensive Bobby Green is, I'm not going to call it worthless, but that's not going to win him this fight. He's got to do what he does. But so is a reckless Bobby Green, which we've seen at times. I mean, look, what was he like one six and one over an eight fight span like not too long ago? Something like that, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Like, he's had some ups and downs, but's it's just a different dude now Luke it is a different dude here's the thing I would point out though the one other thing to consider about this is twofold it's positive and negative on the negative side a reality about Bobby Green is it's not just that he has to beat this very difficult fighter on short notice beating Islam Makachev even if he had had a full camp, would be far and away his best win. He doesn't have as good as Bobby Green's resume is, and as much as he's given very good guys tough fights, in terms of the W's he's got, this would represent by far the very best one among them. And so, for that reason, having a natural bit of skepticism about his chances, I
Starting point is 00:15:23 think, is pretty important. On the other hand, on the other hand, BC, we have seen plenty of times where guys come in on short notice and they really disrupt. If not, sometimes always win at a bare minimum, really disrupt what we thought about Makachev. This is actually, for Makachev, yes, it's an easy fight in the sense that you're getting a guy who didn't prepare for you on the shortest of nearly possible notices. And you're widely expected to win. But if you win and you don't dominate, it undercuts all this narrative about inevitability. It's kind of, I wouldn't say, semi-risky for him to do it this way. I mean, it's kind of like when Habib had to end up fighting Al Iaquinta instead of Conor or Holloway or Ferguson, whoever they could have plugged in there in that last minute. And, you know, he looked great, but there was some holes down the stretch and we were suddenly like, well, it's Habib as great as we thought he was.
Starting point is 00:16:07 Like there's, there's not a lot for Mahachep to win here outside of the title shot, but you could argue if he just said it sits out, he's already earned that title shot. You could argue he already should have gotten it. And I want to make sure people realize, cause people love taking things out of context when we say stuff. And we're not saying bet the house on Bobby Green. We're not saying I love his chances. We're just saying these are the best possible chances. 10-day turnaround, Mahachev not preparing for him necessarily. Green having this game where you're like,
Starting point is 00:16:35 I used to know where his ceiling is at. Now I'm not sure. And it could be a wide fluctuation given the moment. So you got to come in there guns blazing, but you do have to come in there smart. And I think that's been the difference of late in this Bobby Green. I you got to come in there guns blazing, but you do have to come in there smart. And I think that's been the difference of late in this Bobby Green. I mean, you broke them down on extra credit, but this two fight win streak just looks different. And it's, it's not without flavor in the Bobby Green touch added on, but it's, it's just done at a much more
Starting point is 00:16:59 efficient and smart level across the board. It's not reckless. And that's the difference. Right. There are these guys we've talked about them many times, these guys who are good and respected. Jorge Masvidal was, no one inside MMA ever thought Jorge Masvidal was a bad fighter or, you know, lacked and really lopsided skill set, had this, but not really any of that. He's always been respected and well-rounded, but he was in the trenches and just couldn't escape. Same thing with Nate Diaz.
Starting point is 00:17:24 He was in these trenches and just couldn't escape. Same thing with Nate Diaz. He was in these trenches and he couldn't escape. And so what ended up happening was you had these moments, these inspired moments where you get lucky in the case of Nate Diaz, you get this short notice replacement fight against Conor McGregor. In the case of Jorge Masvidal, going to the mouth of the lion's den and beating Darren Till in London in the main event, right? Having to swim upstream. Here's another case where Bobby Green is having to swim upstream,
Starting point is 00:17:46 but it just sort of goes to show you get these guys, sometimes in this 155, 170 zone, who are in their early to mid 30s, who have been good, not great, but good. But then you can see all of a sudden, when you think they're aging out, they're actually about to peak. And I think Bobby Green might be headed there.
Starting point is 00:18:04 Jan Blachowicz, right? Not as extreme toward the journey. Well, maybe he was. Early Jan Blachowicz was pretty much a journeyman, right? He was 50-50 early on. And so it's great to see this. We celebrate guys maxing out in these key moments where they still have enough of their physical prime to match to where their experience and their knowledge has met. But you've got to admit, this makes this fight, which was already going to be awesome with Benio Darius, and it was an important one, but this makes this fight feel not bigger, but just different and very interesting.
Starting point is 00:18:36 You know, you've got to see what happens. Because the reason why it's this interesting, imagine a world Sunday where Bobby Green just secured a shot at the UFC lightweight title. I mean, that'd be crazy. Considering this division's depth. If he knocks out Makhachev, does he get a title shot? Dude, if he wins in any way that's not an outright steal or corruption, he has to get the title shot. And I wouldn't normally advocate for that.
Starting point is 00:18:58 But look at that type of leap and the chance he's making. That's why it's like, dude, it's worth the gamble. But he's taking a big gamble. He's taking a big, and I know people say, okay, he's not supposed to win. If he goes in there and doesn't win, who cares? He'll still get, you know, rewarded by the UFC, whatever. I don't think it's about that this time. This is about, I have this small opening here at 35 to try to show how great I can be. And sometimes Luke, guys never get to that point of even showing it through injury or through just bad luck in a fight.
Starting point is 00:19:25 You know, they'll get a bad decision or whatever. Some guys don't even get to that point. He could cut the line. You'd be Machev at this point. Dude, you're cutting the line because it's a human interest story now, Luke. Am I too romanticized right now and emotional for you? No, you're not too emotional. Like, am I making you uncomfortable at all?
Starting point is 00:19:43 No, no. I think you're not too emotional. Like, am I making you uncomfortable at all? No, no, I think you're basically right. I just, I do, I am curious to see what happens if Bobby Green overturns the apple cart. Oh, Phil, you got coffee? Does he actually get a title shot? Oh, you got more coffee there? Yes, sir. Hey, could Corey talk more?
Starting point is 00:19:57 Remember they used to have the control room, like, back there? There's nothing like hearing yourself talk and then hearing a quiet mumble that just never stops. It just never stops. Sorry, Corey, we love you. you yeah i know i know i'm bro i know you're doing your job i'm trying to direct this listen cory you have to let me be a shithead and unfair it's what i'm good at it's what i'm hey how about all this the screen time phil's getting you could you see him as a future doc character are you alive let's fuck my name's Phil. Sorry, Phil. I'm just being an HR violation.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Yeah, wow. All right. BC, also on this card in your co-main, Misha Surkinov taking on Wellington Turman. All right, can I ask you a question? Don't ask me a question about this. I'm trying, you know, I did my due diligence, and I know these guys' game, and I know why they're fighting each other, but like like I can't get worked up for this fight at all under any circumstances. Misha Surkinov's middleweight debut was his last fight and I didn't quite see the point of going to 185 for him he was strong at 205 it's 20 pounds less you think wow if you're strong at 205 it'll carry over really
Starting point is 00:21:00 well to 185 but it didn't really seem to show up in the last fight. This should not. I hope this doesn't end up staying the co-main event. Not that it really matters in the end. It's not like co-main event gives you something that you put on your resume, but you look at Armin Sarukyan, like that's the co-main event. That's the fight. The best fight on this card by a mile is going to be Armenia slash Russia's Armin Sarukian taking on Spain's Joel Alvarez.
Starting point is 00:21:26 Why do I keep pronouncing it Joel? Daddy Janky? Yeah, Daddy. My wife would say Daddy Janky. You know, the people need to know the amount of Latin American related culture text that you send me. Like, you know what I mean? This is fine. He claimed, which I can believe at first, at first I can believe, he claimed he had
Starting point is 00:21:43 never heard the Daddy Yankee song Dura. Yeah. And you're like, oh, I've never heard it. But I guarantee if you've ever been in any kind of place where they're playing that kind of music, you've heard it. It's the one that goes Dura. On a cruise ship? Dura. No, I don't know that song.
Starting point is 00:21:53 Dura. Ashley, you ever heard Dura? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but Ashley's. Suck all the dicks. Her favorite movie. Just suck all the dicks.
Starting point is 00:22:01 I mean, you almost hurt our guy here. Sorry. I mean, come on. Sorry, guy. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, that was almost hurt our guy here. Sorry. Come on. Sorry, guy. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, that was some tip-on tip. Anyway, so he gets mad when I text him.
Starting point is 00:22:10 I'm like, don't you remember we were talking about that? He's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Or you're like, yo, this is playing in my house all day, and it's some YouTube. You think I'm going to click on that YouTube? Yes, I do. You think it's even possible, Luke? Cirkunov versus Terman, it just seems like this is one of those, they owe these guys fights. They are kind of where they are in their contract.
Starting point is 00:22:24 They put them a little bit higher. I'm not sure why on the fight card. I'm not attracted to see either one at this moment and definitely not against each other. But Serkanov reinventing himself at middleweight if he can put together some wins. Yeah, I'd tune into that. Okay, but the big ones we were talking about,
Starting point is 00:22:39 Saryukian versus Alvarez. This one has top prospects written all over it. Alvarez, more of a striker. I think it's probably fair to put. And Saryukuki, much more of a wrestler. Although in his last fight, he got it done basically with striking. Let's talk turkey, Luke. What do you expect from these two? Because when you and I get together, for the most part, dude, we already talk real talk like men do. So it's a fun little tagline that we add to the pregame preview to sort of spice it up. Oh, this is the extra cheddar. This is extreme.
Starting point is 00:23:06 Luke, you and I are always extreme up on that bitch. So let me ask you right now about Armin Sarurkin, because you had a hard-on from here to Hanover for the Kazakh fellow. Oh, yes. Still do for that as well. Is Armin Sarurkin, who I already know we have already seen lose against Mahachev at a high level in sort of an early prospect versus prospect. I think that was his UFC debut.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Has he rebounded enough where your expectations and belief in his upper bound limits, if you will, to steal from the Luke playbook, that it's on par with those names? Has he achieved hipster of the moment status despite that loss in his debut? So he's 25 years old, and this is his UFC run to date. Obviously, as you indicated, he made his debut in 2019 against Makachev and lost it but you know it was fight of the night. He got a fight of the night bonus for it. Then beats Olivia Aubin-Marcier, then beats Davi Hamos, then beats Matt Frivola and then his last fight he knocked out Chris Dosquiago. So the knock was he was
Starting point is 00:24:00 dominating these guys but he couldn't put them away. Then he put someone away in his last fight. To me, he is a guy who has blue chip prospect written all over him. He's a badass. But what I would say is, this is partly why I'm so high on Shotgun Rachmaninoff. He is, at 27, barely older than Saryukian and significantly more developed in terms
Starting point is 00:24:18 of the overall well-roundedness. I actually don't think Rachmaninoff is the same level of athlete as Saryukian and I don't think he's the same level of wrestler as Saryukian, and I don't think he's the same level of wrestler as Saryukian, but he's got a much wider array of takedowns, and he is a way better striker. Do you envision a future in which Makachev, as lightweight champion, has a title defense against Saryukian as a rematch, and we all get hyped up for it? It's entirely possible.
Starting point is 00:24:40 Daron Wynn tweeted me when I was tweeting about Saryukian. He was saying they got Makachev ready for that fight in that camp and they had looked at tape on him and they knew that that dude was a hammer. They thought Makachev was going to be fine for all those reasons that they were right about, but they knew this like, whoa, this kid's going to be good. He made it a point to tell me that. So like even the AKA guys were like, okay, we guy's better, but this dude's on the radar. Does Saryukian possess, in the intangibles category, everything that fellow Armenian Edmund Shabazian, unfortunately as of now, doesn't,
Starting point is 00:25:14 that could lift him to fulfilling full... Well, partly Shabazian's been mismanaged. Saryukian has not been, so there's a big difference. Mismanaged by... Maybe by himself. By Edmund? Maybe. Who was the guy who was telling him these are good fights to take?
Starting point is 00:25:29 That's the issue. Mick Maynard, probably, line one. Maybe. Who knows? The point I'm trying to make here is with Saryukian, he doesn't take hardly any damage. His wrestling is too overwhelming and too smothering. So he's not just 25.
Starting point is 00:25:44 He's 25 and very fresh. Like, he barely has a scratch on him. That Mercedes coming out the lot, it's pre-owned, BC, but it's got like three miles on it. You know what I'm saying? Yes, yes. Yeah. I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. You know, a lady only drove it to church and back.
Starting point is 00:25:58 That's right. One time. One time. That was like my first car, the 85 Chevy Celebrity. It had only 30,000 miles on it. So funny that they call it that because a celebrity would never step first inside. But it had cigarette stains all over. So I'm like, is that old lady on the way back from church? Just like, I don't care about that ashtray. Just let me put this shit out right here. How does it happen? Because it's not like one or two like cigarette burn marks. There's like 30 of them. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:26:27 You know, it's, I mean, is it like the person who like takes their booger and then discreetly wipes it and thinks, these boogers disappear, but they don't disappear. They're right there where BC left them. You know what I'm saying? Right there where you left them. When you went like this.
Starting point is 00:26:39 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Also in this card, last but not least, Jin Yu Frey taking on Hannah Goldie. This is the BC Instagram special. Yeah. Okay, also in this card, last but not least, Jin Yu Frey taking on Hannah Goldie. Okay, I like that fight a lot. This is the BC Instagram special. Look at his face light up. He's like, Hannah Goldie?
Starting point is 00:26:54 It's like, you can tell who BC's been Instagram stalking by how much he smiles talking about them. Wow, Your Honor, I plead the fifth here. Wow, yeah. You see what I like about this fight. Jin Yu Frey chiseled out of here. Wow, yeah. BC, what do you like about this fight? Ginu Frey chiseled out of stone. No, this is actually a good fight. Hannah Goldie is actually pretty,
Starting point is 00:27:09 actually she does, she's pretty strong as well. Okay, look, this is still the lower levels, you know, prelim level, but like Goldie seems to be turning around slowly, Luke. The things that tripped her up upon her entry into the UFC. And she is an interesting prospect with the strength in wrestling. I call her the female
Starting point is 00:27:25 Sean Shirk and you said no BC no I'm telling you no it is she is yeah she's not uh by the way we didn't talk about it but so you're saying she's more likely to to end up one day getting a job at my bar that no I'm not saying that either my all-female roadhouse female Sean Shirk like I mean she's gonna be like bar manager, though. She's strong. By the way, here is, and we didn't talk about it, Joel Alvarez's run thus far. He's beaten, well, he lost to Isma Gulov, but he's very good.
Starting point is 00:27:53 But his most recent win streak with guys with Wikipedia entries, Joseph Duffy, Alexander Yakovlev, and then he just recently, inside of a round, beat Thiago Moises. Took four rounds, four Mokachevs. So you're saying he's coming. I can tell you this. He's got really good clamps for submissions and he's got,
Starting point is 00:28:09 obviously he can, he's long and lanky so he can lock up Anacondas from anywhere. What is his nationality background? Spain. He's from Gijon. Sporting Gijon
Starting point is 00:28:16 is the soccer team there. We don't get Spain-born UFC stars. Well, we might have one, Joel Alvarez. It's a possibility. Also, Ilya Teporia is Georgian, but is Spanish national.
Starting point is 00:28:28 But that shows you, obviously, the UFC's global footprint, where this happens every once in a while. We're like, oh, I don't think I've seen a star prominent UFC fighter, or elite one, from that country yet. Who was the heavyweight who won the Ultimate Fighter from Spain?
Starting point is 00:28:41 He was from the Canary Islands. I forget his name. I stopped watching that show a lot, so I, you know. They're saying Espino. Yes, Espino. Juan Espino was his name? Juan Espino, yeah. So there are some guys from Spain who are making a little bit of noise,
Starting point is 00:28:53 but we'll see how that goes. All right, topic number two, Bryce Mitchell did an interview. By the way, he's fighting at UFC 272, so that's interesting. Taking on Edson Barboza, hell of a time for that. Dude, if you didn't know who Bryce Mitchell was... You do now. This was full frontal, Luke. This was like, let me just streak across the 50-yard line naked, right?
Starting point is 00:29:14 Pretty much. Bryce Mitchell did an interview with Ariel Helwani on his show, The MMA Hour. And on this, he had... How would you describe this? Bryce Mitchell basically has nothing but a... His entire worldview is a series of intertwining conspiracies, right? Well, the thing is. Something like that? Even if he's right on some of them, even if there are things that he said,
Starting point is 00:29:35 I'm going to have to go back and look because the abrasive ones were just so aggressive. But maybe there's even things you agree with. But he's all freaking in, Luke. I mean, he's ready to pick up the rifle and, you know, start the next civil war. You know what I mean? Yeah, on being, he said he would rather die than give up his guns. Quote, my number one explanation is that the government is in a lot of these, talking about school shootings.
Starting point is 00:29:57 They have an agenda. They set up mass shootings and then blame the AR-15s. They say, oh, now we're going to come take your AR-15s now. Let me tell you why they haven't taken away the AR-15s, because this is God's land. They cannot. Well, then why would they try if they cannot? But okay. They do not have the power to take away these AR-15s.
Starting point is 00:30:13 But if they don't have the power to take away the AR-15s, then why are they trying? But okay. They have been trying and trying and trying. The people are too strong. Oh, I see. They just can't, but they really want to. I would die before I hand these guns over to my government. I would like to know who is trying to confiscate his AR well I mean that's what I'm saying so even if there's things you lean in the direction of the basis of some of
Starting point is 00:30:33 the things he's saying he's going like so aggressive Civil War stuff Luke and I'm not saying I'm naive to not understand that that's a you know prevailing thought in certain circles anyway but like damn that's aggressive in this moment Luke, so do you think there's any Sean Strickland in him and by asking you that I'm not asking do you think you know? There's two guys that we should have on the watch list I mean is some of this chop is okay? This is who I am to a certain degree But people are gonna really know me now if I can amp up this character and do a little Colby Covington do a little you
Starting point is 00:31:03 Know what I mean? Oh, I see. There are a lot of people that say, Strachan Trickland's not crazy, he's just smarter than you, and he built this character and you're falling for it. Yeah, probably. I'm like, that character's pretty well done then. I would say this. I mean, my best read on this, and none of us know Bryce Mitchell, so we have no idea who he actually is,
Starting point is 00:31:21 but my read on this is that probably a little bit, you know, you get emboldened when you go on an interview show to really kind of like state your views as clearly and forthrightly as you can. I mean,
Starting point is 00:31:31 I did bring that spirit to the MMA Hour episode 200 when I made my debut and it sparked something between us. Luke, I came in there with like,
Starting point is 00:31:38 what did I call it? MMA Hour. The aerial show, whatever you want to call it. You know, I came there like with a January 6th attitude. Can we like
Starting point is 00:31:48 put any effort into this discussion or can we just derail it? I just want you to know that. We should put some effort into this discussion. The point I was trying to raise was I just feel like,
Starting point is 00:31:56 dude, even before the ultimate fighter, the MMA community has always been two places. One, a place for self-identifying misfits outcasts people who don't fit in for whatever reason that may be in whatever community and two it's just always been very online always been online if you were a fan around tough free tough you wanted pride stuff you had to go and get bit torrents and you had to be on the underground and that's who was talking there. Joe Rogan for a time back in the aughts, he used to
Starting point is 00:32:29 comment freely in the threads in mixedmartialarts.com or at the time it was MMA.tv. You have to agree that even compared to major team sports, UFC was ahead of the game at like forcing every athlete to have a Twitter account and to like really push them in areas to use it. And I think that's always obviously been a big key. So what I would say is in this day and age when we're asked for our views and you're doing it in a public way and then you have a person who is young, very online, on social media, probably doesn't have views any way that are necessarily even in lockstep with the wider state he's in to some degree, then you're going to get these kinds of moments
Starting point is 00:33:08 where people espouse views that are impossible to otherwise justify. What I would say, though, is I got to tell you, people were like, this is a shock to my conscience. I can't believe that someone in the community would hold views such as these. I'm like, are you motherfuckers on Twitter for five seconds? My mentions every day are, you know,
Starting point is 00:33:30 fucking Obama drinks the blood of young babies and COVID is a lie. It's just the flu with a skirt on or whatever the fuck they say. I don't even know what they say anymore. But like my mentions and not even that, just what I see on different places is filled to the brim with these very online radicalized views like I would argue Bryce Mitchell's views on this are far closer to what the average person in this community believes than mine I guarantee that wow that's okay that's aggressive but you might actually be right dude I'm 100%%. Go back and who did we talk to?
Starting point is 00:34:06 Nice people at the MMA Awards. Do you think that they agree more with Bryce Mitchell or me? They probably agree more with him. That was zombie prom, and there was times that it got a little too heavy and I had to go outside, but it was a trip. Good thing we had those space rocks we were eating. I mean, they had mini sliders. They had like 5,000 mini sliders, but they were like ice cold.
Starting point is 00:34:28 I know. The thing was, it was like, we're going to give you these sliders, but we're going to... Because we're like, oh, they only have one food option. I know. I was asking them, why were you spraying the food with liquid nitrogen? It's just going to make it freezing cold. But they said that's what they do. I mean, they had like 400 sliders, which is like, okay, I mean, it's a heavy lean.
Starting point is 00:34:43 With a collective temperature of zero. But I'm like, okay. Matter wasn't actually moving. Yeah. BC, your response to the Bryce Mitchell interview, does it say anything that we should pay attention to? Being that, you know, we're not naive, it's not that big of a deal, but it's radical because we don't see it in this.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Oh, I see it. In this form, in this channel, in this proper show, whatever. I mean, I know it's Ariel with a guy on Zoom, but you get my point. We haven't seen a lot of that through that. So it is, it's, again, like even separating from the politics, it's just aggressive as shit, Luke. It's really, you know, close to the scary level. That's just aggressive as shit, Luke. It's really close to the scary level.
Starting point is 00:35:27 That's a very profound take, BC. I'm glad. I know I dug deep for that one, but that's really the heart of it, Luke. I don't think there's anything like, oh, that guy should shut up. I mean, look, say what you want. Let me say this, though. Yeah, well, Ariel was... There's a no-win scenario there, because you're supposed to, to some
Starting point is 00:35:43 extent, you want your guests to be able to say what they want. At the same time, they can't just say anything without being challenged. So he's trying to thread this needle. At the same time, BC, I have to tell you, like, it's moments like that where I'm like, what exactly is the role of MMA media? I'll tell you exactly why I said that. Because you have this Phil Mickelson thing going on where he wanted to take golf money from the Saudis and build up golf in Saudi Arabia.
Starting point is 00:36:07 What were the splits on that? What were the splits of what he was going to take home? Significant money. But the point being, it all blew up because people got mad about it. In MMA and boxing, too, they'll put fights on in Saudi Arabia and they could probably execute someone as the opening act and no one in combat sports is going to care. It's like for our opening act before the rematch between X and Y we're just having honor killing you're like this is not entertainment 85 million they paid him 85 million to just show like that was like like this is my point and no one gives a shit about it granted this is this is um this is uh you know a different world so the point i'm trying to make here is I don't even
Starting point is 00:36:45 understand when you see views like this what you're supposed to say about them as a media member other than yeah it looks a lot like what I see on social media it mirrors it quite closely seriously I don't want they don't want us to police them and I don't think we could even if we tried so I don't really know what we're supposed to do in terms of getting mad about it. What are you supposed to get mad about? No, you're not supposed to get mad about it. I mean, look, you either want free speech or you don't.
Starting point is 00:37:10 Right. You know, like, say whatever the hell. If you believe it, say it. But we also can take the liberty of saying, oh, wow, you're a scary motherfucker. Like, I'm staying far away from you or whatever you want to say in return. But, yeah, having the platform to say it is more important than whether you agree or are willing to go down that road with him. But Luke, if the shit does go down, he's going to Klitschko that shit, okay? He's going to be like, yo, my career is over. I'm going to start twistering some Antifa. He has a twister on his account. He really does. By
Starting point is 00:37:43 the way, he apparently says the 2020 presidential election was rigged. It's like, dude, I don't even understand how someone could even begin to believe that. But okay. Inflation is a form of control by the government. That's interesting. Ivermectin works much better against COVID than vaccines. But the vaccines make more money. That's actually true.
Starting point is 00:38:00 Which is why they're being- Yeah, I mean, I don't feel the need to pick through every one of these things. This is what our producer wrote. The 2016 Las Vegas shooting was an inside job, he said. No such thing as a gun problem, just a mental health problem. And then lastly, he's actually half right about this. Well, that's what I'm saying. There's a lot of half rights.
Starting point is 00:38:13 There's a lot of half rights. Healthcare is not a right because you don't have a right to someone else's service. That's actually partly true, but not fully. And obviously, dude, you want an open forum when the truth needs to be shared. I just don't believe a lot of what he says is the truth, and that's all right, you know? Last thing on this. How common do you think his views are among active participants? Okay, like a lessened version of that I think covers 85% of the pool.
Starting point is 00:38:38 But that extreme? That extreme probably is rare. Or even close to that extreme. But, like, who has sympathies in that direction? I would say the vast majority. The vast majority. All right. Oh, you're going to catch some heat from our MK Janice.
Starting point is 00:38:49 We should... Before... All jokes aside, where is RJ if we get that January 6th clothing lineup on Morning Combat. That's a story. I don't care what you think about the politics. I'll promote it. It's shit selling. It's sold out again.
Starting point is 00:39:00 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to do that. Corey, have we figured out how to get you on mic and cam yet he's got an excuse yeah Corey's like I'm not worried so much about being on mic right now or on camera and I just have to talk in your motherfucking ear of course like I saw what you
Starting point is 00:39:19 guys did to Jay Aaron that's that's really number three, Bellator 275 storylines. Bellator heads back to, how do you say it? Eerie? Eerie? Ireland. They go back to Ireland. They're going to be at the Three Arena in Dublin. Those crowds are the shit. They are fucking bananas.
Starting point is 00:39:37 Now, they did lose the fight with Peter Quigley. He does come out to zombie, which is its whole thing. So you may not see that. But in the main event, BC, this is actually, I'm actually going to call this a pretty important fight to pay attention to, and I actually think you might have a new champion on Saturday or whatever it is, Friday. Whoa! Hold on.
Starting point is 00:39:52 Gegard Mousasi, your current middleweight champion. You're just going to take that out and be like, don't look at this. We'll talk about this later, but you know. Taking on Austin Vanderford, who to this point has probably gained more acclaim from his marriage than by his fighting skills. But I've got to tell you, that shouldn't be that way because his fighting skills are pretty high. I can also argue he's as well known for that aggressive tattoo than he is for anything else. The throat tattoo, yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:14 I mean, he's all in on that, Luke, okay? What I will tell you is, BC, and this is why I feel this way, Musashi, I feel is slowing a little bit. I don't think he's washed, but he's slowing. Hold on, let me get the whole thing out. Let me get the whole thing out. That's one. Two, Vanderford can wrestle his ass off. Oh, yeah, yeah. Three, now Vanderford is not Rafael Lovato Jr., but Rafael Lovato Jr. was able to win with, I would call it wrestling plus dominant grappling positions.
Starting point is 00:40:40 It is at least conceivable that Vanderford can borrow the Lovato Jr. playbook against Mousasi. Why am I right or wrong? You might be right, and that's why we're excited about this fight, because in whatever form, Austin Vanderford is coming on. He's on this unbeaten run. He has looked better at each step up. He's never really looked overwhelming yet,
Starting point is 00:41:00 and I think that's what gives you a little bit of reluctance. But yet we've seen him in fights that played to his strength. He can, he can go downhill. He can bury you with his wrestling and just control the whole fight and drive a hole into the ground. And it's up to you to either go the distance and take the beating or ask for your way out of it. But can he go over the top of Musashi? The reason why I was going to cut you off right now is tell me if I'm wrong, but I feel like in the, in the ups and downs of what has been Gegard Mousasi's twilight, his second half, which has had some very big high moments. And you know, he, he always fights the best. He's going to mix in some losses. I feel like the public attitude
Starting point is 00:41:34 again is, Oh my God, he's among the most underrated ever. Why are we not talking about him? I think it came back and you're only as good as your last performance in this game. And even if that's fair or not, it's perception. So don't you feel that? Where this isn't the fight to make the, I think, the argument of, are we overlooking Vanderford? Is he about to pull the upset? It looks that to be like Gegard Mousasi, whether it was the specific competition or injuries or whatever,
Starting point is 00:42:00 he seems to be at a higher level right now than he was. Yeah, I don't agree. He and his last four wins are Rory McDonald, who was smaller and I think a little bit shopworn when they fought, he had a split decision over Lyoto Machida, who was on the last fight of his Bellator contract, Douglas Lima, who just didn't show up in that fight, by the way, another small guy, a true welterweight,
Starting point is 00:42:21 and then, by the way, when he turned it on, the fight got way more competitive late, and then John Salter, who is, in fact, a good fighter. That's probably the best win he's had in quite some time. Oh, he handled that guy. He handled him, yeah. That was a great win. This is my point. Dude, he has always shown weaknesses, whether it's King Mo, whether it's Lovato Jr., whoever
Starting point is 00:42:37 you want to pick, he's always shown a weakness to guys who can kind of put a steady wrestling pace on him. It's not true to say he's a bad wrestler, but that it can meaningfully nullify his offense 100%. We've seen this numerous times. But the core of the argument that I got stuck on is this. We're not too far apart on this. I just think that run that Musashi went on to get here, it's right that you can pick at it and say,
Starting point is 00:43:00 well, this opponent was this or this. I don't think he looked bad in the majority of those fights, though. I get why you can downgrade a win. He's a great fighter. He's never looked terrible. He hasn't had those moments in a while where you're doubting. He had one, the Shlomenko fight.
Starting point is 00:43:14 He probably lost that fight. But that was back when the momentum was in the other direction. Yes, that was back in 2017. That's what we were questioning. Is he really on the down path? But no, he's back. I just think he's back, to me point, five years in. That's what we were questioning. Is he really on the down path? But no, he's back. I just think he's back, to me, so aggressively of late,
Starting point is 00:43:29 especially that Salter win in which I get that Salter's limited to a degree. But I think Vanderford, in his own way, might be limited to a degree. So if this is still going to be the same Gegard, I feel like this is more of a celebration of this great guy who's nearly backdoored like an all-time great legacy. He's got a sneaky great resume. There are not a whole lot of MMA fans who are cheering for Vandiford over Musashi. Musashi is, you know, royalty is a strong word, but he's been around for a while
Starting point is 00:43:57 and done really important things in really important organizations and in great fights. That is true. Would you agree that there was never a moment he went from being just sort of like a guy who's pretty damn good to like hardcore cult status? People love him. He got close. I don't think there was a moment, though.
Starting point is 00:44:11 I think it was his consistency and his... Right. So that run he was on when he beat Talos Light... He lost to Uriah Hall, remember? Sort of like somewhat flukish. Then he beat Talos Light, he's Tiago... He knocked out Tiago Santos inside of a round. Inside of a round.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Dude, that's a win right there. He tore Belfort. He stopped Uriah Hall. He stopped. Then he stopped Chris Weidman. Inside of a round. Dude, that's a win right there. Vitor Belfort, he stopped. Uriah Hall, he stopped. Then he stopped Chris Weidman. It was somewhat controversial. And remember, after that win, it was like, dude, Musashi's got to get a title shot. But it was the last one on his contract.
Starting point is 00:44:33 What was the controversy on that fight? Because Weidman wanted to put his hands down. And Musashi was lifting him up. Ah, yeah, yeah. Lifting him up over the top to knee him. You're right, yep. And so after that, he was ready to go to a title shot. But then he made that move to Bellator and then had the fight against Domenico. He's just missed. He's just missed his moment. He's just missed, that's right. Yep. And so after that, he was ready to go to a title shot, but then he made that move to Bellator and then had the fight against Romain Coe.
Starting point is 00:44:46 He's just missed. He's just missed his moment. He's just missed. That's right. You know? And he's… And he fought Mo Lawal for the title on CBS and then got outwrestled for five rounds, you know? Yeah, he's got… there's almost a biz ping quality to his resume and his legacy before the GSB… I mean, before the Rockhold upset, where it was like every time he was close to doing something in your face, like major title, major promotion, or at least, I know he did that already with Strikeforce, but like never had that breakthrough moment
Starting point is 00:45:13 where people would just like completely fall in love with him. He just came up short. Yet, because he's beaten so many guys and because he's been considered elite in so many different eras and promotions, dude, that resume is coming together to be one of those backdoor, badass Hall of Famers. To your point, he's got some solid names on his resume. He's got Dan Henderson on his resume. Mark Munoz on his resume.
Starting point is 00:45:35 Dude, he's got Jake O'Brien, obviously, a little before. Sukuju. He beat Sukuju before. That was supposed to be the cool thing. Mark Hunt. Dude, Mark Hunt is on his fucking resume. I mean, the guy has beaten really good guys. But for example, the Henderson win is sandwiched
Starting point is 00:45:48 between the Jacare and Uriah Hall losses. So he's got long streaks. He's got A-quality opponents on his ledger, but he doesn't have them all in a neat and tidy sequence where you're like, that's the
Starting point is 00:46:03 run right there. That's the sauce right there. And he doesn't have his Luke Rockhold moment like Bizping had. And, you know, we'll see. We'll see if there's. I will say this about Vanderford to acknowledge the deficiencies. I know he can win that fight for 15 minutes. I don't know if he can win that fight for 25. That to me is like, he can wrestle him.
Starting point is 00:46:22 That's a great way to say it. He can wrestle him for 15 minutes, no problem. But the problem is, once it goes to 16, 17, 18, then it's anybody's guess. Then I don't know what happens. Is he a poor man's Colby Covington? What do you really see him as? I don't know. Because he can win
Starting point is 00:46:37 this fight. Yes, he can win this fight. This is going to tell us, dude. This is going to tell us if he's coming or going a little bit here. I love this fight. Hagar can wrestle, dude. And is going to tell us if he's coming or going a little bit here. Because, oh, Gegard. I love this fight, actually. Gegard can wrestle, dude. He can. He can. And also, dude, Gegard is significantly, A, more well-rounded, and B, dude, win or lose in Strikeforce, in Japan, in the United States, Europe, doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:46:57 Fucking Gegard Mousasi has been in the trenches of not just one, but two or even three divisions. Seen it all. Seen it come and go. That's why I think that experience is going to help him, especially if this fight goes late. But, dude, he is older. How old is Mr. Musashi? I'm going to guess 36.
Starting point is 00:47:16 You're going to say 36? You're right on the money. He turns 37 in August. So he's got a little bit of time. Okay, would you be on board for this? Let's say Musashi wins Defender's Title. Him against Fedor Emelianenko for the goodbye fight in Russia bro come on come on you yeah okay you can talk yourself into that after he beat Timothy Johnson the Fedor hate has to take it does have a little bit of a back seat um and that that actually that'd be a nice thing to put on top
Starting point is 00:47:41 of Gay Guard's like backdoor resume you know what I mean? He's got one of those hardcore fans' resumes, but this wouldn't matter if he went in there to heavyweight and put it on Fedor. Would it matter? It would matter. It would matter. It would matter.
Starting point is 00:47:55 By the way, I'll point this out. He made his debut, Musashi did, in April of 2003. So in one year's time, basically, he'll have been fighting for 20 years. 20 years is just an insane amount of time i wanted musashi anderson silva and you didn't want anything to do with that because you know so it was a free agent or whatever yeah um do you think that musashi ends up fighting rumble or romero under the bellator banner like you could say yes without
Starting point is 00:48:24 thinking about it, but then when you really think about it, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'd prefer Romero, because I think he's a lot less controllable than Anthony Rumble Johnson. Introducing the new McSpicy from McDonald's. It looks like a regular chicken sandwich,
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Starting point is 00:49:08 Earn points for paying your credit card bill in full and on time every month. Level up from bill payer to reward slayer. Terms and conditions apply. But it's hard to shit on that one either way. I take it no matter what, right? Either of those would be fun as hell. So, yeah, that'd be great. And weirdly related to this in a Kevin Bacon six degrees way,
Starting point is 00:49:30 remember the dude that replaced Rumble? Or maybe replaced Romero. Jose Augusto, remember? Yes. Remember that dude, like, nearly knocked out Rumble? Like, he walked through hell to try to be in that fight? Yep. Is that guy that fun in regular time?
Starting point is 00:49:44 Like, is he always, like? Those Pitbull boys, they rave that fun in regular time? Like, is he always like- Those, those Pitbull boys, they rave about him. They say he's like always like that. I mean, he was sloppy and there was a lot, a lot of like, but he went- He was about it. But he came to win that fight. He was about it. He was about it.
Starting point is 00:49:54 You gotta respect it. Also on this card, by the way, your number one crush, his brother is on this card. The brother of Magomed Sharapov, Hassan Magomed Sharapov, is on this main... Dude, I'm going to go out on a limb and say this guy's going to go undefeated
Starting point is 00:50:09 and win a championship. Do you all right? Because he's going to be just like his brother. His last name ends in a V. It's multi-syllabic. He's from that sort of Caucasus area, and he's going to beat the fuck out of all these guys. The way Zabit rocks the Abe Lincoln beard
Starting point is 00:50:23 with the longer hair on top. Dude, he's an icon, Luke. We just got to these guys. Even the way Zabit rocks the Abe Lincoln beard with the longer hair on top. Dude, he's an icon, Luke. We just got to get him back in there, Zabit. Yeah, this is the younger brother of Zabit. I mean, I think I've got a Zabit love not as deep as your love for Anthony Smith. Not all the way there, but it's within the county limits. Can we do like a Bee Gees how deep is your love thing? By the way, BC also.
Starting point is 00:50:45 Will we ever get Anthony Bonecrusher Smith on this set? Yes. Unlike you, I have a great relationship with Anthony Smith. He'll answer my text messages. By the way, he's very good on media. So I'd love to do a few rounds. Also on this card, it's the main event of the prelims. Brett Johns, who was something of a signing from the Bantamweight division of UFC out of Wales.
Starting point is 00:51:06 Taking on Kershed Kikorov. Also BC on this card, Kirill Sedelnikov. You might recall old Kirill was for a time called, I believe this is the guy they called Baby Fedor. Was this him? I believe this is the dude. Yes, he was out of the Red Devil Sport Club back in the time.
Starting point is 00:51:22 He is not Baby Fedor. I just want to point that out. That's not him. This card is Friday, correct point that out. That's not who he is. This card is Friday, correct? Yes, it's Friday. And it is an afternoon card? It is an afternoon card. It will be in Ireland, in Dublin. Yes, I believe that's correct. And Bellator 375. 3 Arena is where it's going to be.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Liam McCourt versus Sinead Cavanaugh. Sinead Cavanaugh of SBG, Narkomane. Should be a fine fight. Don't really have a ton of things to say about it, but it's fine. I mean, it could use a little more rat garbage level of, I got to see that guy in the undercard type of stuff, you know? Give me the guy from the meat locker that Jake Hager beat. That dude.
Starting point is 00:51:52 You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When Bellator goes to Ireland, I'm told that their Ireland, I am told, I do not know this, that Bellator's footprint in Ireland is significantly bigger than the UFC's at this point. So it's a big deal when they go. More to the point, Bellator is really trying to put up a base in this part of the world to recruit and develop talent.
Starting point is 00:52:12 These events are important for that, so just pay attention to see who... What are the odds Conor McGregor comes back into the Octagon to get Mark Goddard? Like the rematch, you know? Only if he's got a strawberry sherbet ice cream. I mean, not the Octagon, the Bellator cage, yes, to support his point. Is his guy still in there?
Starting point is 00:52:28 His buddy. Oh, Charlie Hospital Ward? Yeah. I don't, I don't know. I don't know who the fuck's in Bellator. And I asked Bellator,
Starting point is 00:52:37 I'll blow him up here a little bit. I cannot tell you how many times I've asked them for stats about their fighters and they never get them to me. Can I have some stats about your fighters, please?
Starting point is 00:52:44 Yo, are you, is that like a bow and arrow right at Danny Brenner? I love Danny, but Danny, I need some stats, guy. I need some stats. Danny's old school MMA. Like, you know, way, way back. Danny is old school boxing, too. Speaking of which, topic number four, BC.
Starting point is 00:52:58 We talk about the weekend in boxing. A lot of different places to go. Let's start with Showtime, if we can. Chris Colbert. Colbert? Colbert. Colbert. Yeah, I different places to go. Let's start with Showtime if we can. Chris Colbert. Colbert? Colbert. Colbert. Yeah, I know. I cannot. You've corrected me on that a number of times. It's taken on Hector Luis Garcia. This will be in Las Vegas. It will be on Showtime. Why did you have to racially pronounce that guy? That's very, you know, it's not too far from like, like, you know, the Risen thing. Like, it's right on. What I've discovered is there's no right way
Starting point is 00:53:24 to do it because here's what's Gonna happen my family won't watch but on the off chance that they saw me then they get mad at me because they're like why Are you be upset that you gringo to name? Oh, dude? It's a big all the yeah, they hate it. They fucking Yeah, they're like why are you being so fucking lazy like right around like don't know we gotta get MK Doc Cambridge, but that could be a storyline for a doc number seven so either you mock me or they mock me i don't have a i can't i can't win but either yes hector luis garcia is the guy uh bc it's a late replacement delay replacement you know a lot about chris colbert yes everyone is high on him why are they high on him set this one up 130 pounds new york city brooklyn born and bred and first of all separate from the game which is very very good
Starting point is 00:54:05 he's a promising guy who's coming on he can sell himself most often times he'll dye his hair funky different colors and he'll talk trash in the ring in the middle i mean he's one of those guys who knows what he brings to the table and not afraid of the spotlight but oh by the way he can really fight and it's not just quick hands or pop he's got both he's fairly well rounded, he can really fight. And it's not just quick hands or pop. He's got both. He's fairly well-rounded. But he can box, man. I mean, he can really box on top of it. So when you consider, we know 135 is like this beating heart of like future stars ready to jump out.
Starting point is 00:54:37 It's the other guys around it too that, you know, Shakur Stevenson coming in. I think Chris Colbert is going to end up finding when he does move up to lightweight one day. Those are going to be his huge fights. But right now, he's making his name at 130 and getting in position to win world titles. And he's coming on. What is he good at?
Starting point is 00:54:53 What's his signature style? Well, that's what I'm saying. He's fairly well-rounded across the board because he can be so flashy and he does have some good highlights. Oh, this guy's a puncher. But he's really more of a well-rounded boxer. And, man, he can box and he's quick. So do we know yet if he can do it on the super elite level? No, we got to find that out. But he calls himself primetime. He dyes the top of his hair in dinkish red. And he really, yeah, it changes the colors a lot. And he models himself kind of
Starting point is 00:55:20 after primetime Deion Sanders. And it's like, you know, I have the guts to give myself that nickname because I know what I need to deliver with that. I think there's a quote that Colbert told me and he took it from Deion, which is, you know, some guys want to be, most men want to be the man until it's time to be the man. I was born that man, Luke. Okay. That's some shit right there. Okay.
Starting point is 00:55:44 That's pretty good. Yeah. All right. I guess I was the only one moved by that.? That's some shit right there. Okay, that's pretty good. Yeah? All right, I guess I was the only one moved by that. Let's go to the videotape, though. We do have tape of... I did talk to Chris Colbert. You can check out this interview at length at youtube.com slash morningcombat,
Starting point is 00:55:57 but this was before his original opponent fell out. But let's just meet Chris Colbert and get to know this guy a little bit better. Let's go to it. Listen, that's the words of Deion Sanders himself. Everybody want to be that until it's time to be that. I was born that, you know. But I feel like any situation I ever been in, I always showed up.
Starting point is 00:56:18 I always, anything that I said I was nice at, I showed up. Played football, put me on the field, I showed up. Boxed, I told everybody I'm going to be that guy, I showed up. Played football, put me on the field, I showed up. Boxed, I told everybody I'm going to be that guy, I showed up. Look, I'm here. I'm here. 16 fights. I've only got 16 fights. Only have 16 fights and I'm fighting for the world title. I can unify with less than 20 fights.
Starting point is 00:56:38 BC, whose face is fatter? You, yours, or the professional athletes? I'm going to go by it. That was so shitty i'm gonna go buy me this face right here that was so look look it's not that i'm okay i already said he could fight he could fight all right we're gonna find out how good he could fight but he could fight but you know it i'm the type of guy that's gonna fall in love to this type of personality and he's not the first guy to come out and be like i'm ready for the stage and give me all the biggest names and I'll win and all that. I mean, a lot of guys talk a lot of shit.
Starting point is 00:57:09 And then you find out whether they are, you know, whether they can back it up or not. I feel like when you factor in that confidence with the game that he's shown in the highlights at the level of competition he's faced, like, I can feel him coming on. Like, he's coming, Luke, down that road. That's what I'm saying. Maybe not on, like, the extreme boots, and it's this, give this guy the keys to the kingdom. You know, when he wins the title, he may not lose it. Not necessarily there, but, like,
Starting point is 00:57:35 there's still a secondhand high from what I'm feeling. I can hear Chris Colbert. Now, I believe this is the co-main event. I'm not sure, I forget which card this is on. Correct me, because it's... Same card. Gary Antoine Russell. Yes. who is not gary russell jr they're different people taking on old school victor postal i thought he was retired there's a sneaky great fight right here if you don't know
Starting point is 00:57:56 so gary russell jr is one of six or seven boxing brothers that are all named gary russell as which is his father's name very george foreman like to do. But now they call a bunch of his brothers by their middle name. So this guy's Gary Antoine Russell, just a different type of fighter than Gary. Gary's just a smart plug in and out. Still a technician like his brother, but a different style altogether. Victor Postel is battle-tested, Luke. Is anybody in this division in the last 10 years? I mean, you know, former unified champion. And Luke and look he in that old guy he came back in a big fight and he showed himself who was that fight victor ortiz had victor post excuse me was it was it against jose ramirez is that the fight i'm thinking of recently pull
Starting point is 00:58:35 it up for you here to get a better sense of things well we were like i'm not sure if he still got this so he lost to jose ramirez most recently josh Taylor back in 2018. Terrence Crawford before that. So it's the Ramirez fight. Yeah. Okay, he ended up losing that. But he showed in that that he's still at a very high elite level. So we're going to find out, Antoine Russell, where he's at because of this. And you love these type of fights, Luke.
Starting point is 00:58:58 And I love Victor Postol's style. It's just like stand back high and just pick you off coming in. Is this a little too soon for Antoine Russell? He's only got 14 fights. Victor Postol, by contrast, already has 34. By the way, I believe Gary Russell Jr., his brother, is his trainer
Starting point is 00:59:15 on top of that. I've seen enough to where I believe that he's ready for this challenge. Is he going to win? I don't know. But I believe coming in that he is ready for this. I've seen enough to where I believe that he's ready for this challenge. Is he going to win? I don't know. But I believe coming in that he is ready for this. I've seen the seasoning on him. I've seen the toughness.
Starting point is 00:59:29 You've got to see him against different styles. Is he as elite as Gary Russell Jr.? No, he hasn't proven that yet by any means. But he looks like he's ready for a challenge this big because with the high risk comes the reward. You get that guy's name on your resume, you're ready to fight for world titles right now. Guillermo Rigondeaux is going to take on Vincent Astrolabio in Dubai.
Starting point is 00:59:50 I think they threw a bunch of money at him. No surprise that at 41, Luke Rigo can't get the type of fights he wants, because every time he comes to the table, he doesn't know what to do but be himself. And that doesn't move ratings, That doesn't make people happy. Even if I feel like I can appreciate the art of it and tell you that I think he got jobs his last fight. But nobody's going to care because that's what he does. But is he going to Dubai to get a bunch of money?
Starting point is 01:00:13 Yes. And he still wants big fights. And there's still something there, Luke. He just has to activate it. The way he… Or the people… He either has to activate it or we all have to change our expectations. He hasn't recovered from the dummying that Lomachenko put on him.
Starting point is 01:00:26 He didn't just lose that fight. He got out-thunk and basically quit. But he had to move up two-way classes. Okay, fair enough. But there was the way. I'm not saying his quitting is okay. It was the way in which he handled it that I think did him no favors. I'll put it that way.
Starting point is 01:00:38 Plus, it was kind of boring, too, a little bit. It was also his way to be like, hey, boxing, you screwed me over. You know, everyone will go right back at you. Last but not least, this will be on February 26th, Josh Taylor, the man with all the belts, taking on, I believe, his WBO mandatory Jack Catterall. This will be in Glasgow, Scotland. Taylor's going to beat the fuck out of him, right?
Starting point is 01:00:57 Yeah. Probably. The resumes, what they've done and accomplished and who they are as fighters should tell you it should be. This should be a, I'm not going to say it's going to be easy. Jack Catterall can fight. He just doesn't have the resume to get to this point. Has come up, you know, fought the guys who in front of him, who he had to got in position to be a number one contender. We question a lot of the resumes, by the way, of number one contenders. Normally we know that for good reason, but he's not at
Starting point is 01:01:20 the Josh Taylor level, but you do want to see if Josh Taylor's really that guy. And I've got him in my top 10 pound for pound. I mean, he won all four belts in a tough division and won the Jose Ramirez fight. I mean, he's that dude, okay? But you can't have an in-between hiccup on the road to maybe getting Teofimo. I want to see him come out and put a stamp on it. If he's this much better than Jack Catterall, if we find that out, if this isn't a cambosis sort of upset situation, which I don't think it will be, I've got to see Josh Taylor not survive in advance. I want to see him make a statement, okay?
Starting point is 01:01:49 Fair enough. I mean, wouldn't that jazz you the hell up for Teofimo at 140 against Josh Taylor? If I thought there was a real chance they could make it, yeah. Like, for Josh Taylor. Oh, they could make it. They could make it. And, well, they. Top rank. We'll see.
Starting point is 01:02:01 We'll see. We'll see. Okay. Quick hitters, topic number five, BC. Speaking of the man, Bud Crawford calls for not a Errol Spence fight, which, by the way, I've been doing a ton of Errol Spence study. I cannot believe how that fight has not been made. It drives me fucking insane because I cannot believe how good Errol Spence is.
Starting point is 01:02:16 I knew he was good already. And then under tape study, I'm like, Jesus Christ, he's good. And he has to be that great for this debate between who's better between him and Crawford. Yes, because Bud is unbelievable. For that to even be a debate at this level, he's got to be that guy. Yo, he's that guy, but car accident, detached retina, there's a lot. All right, so Bud Crawford says he's not interested in Spence, or the Spence-Ugas winner, I should say,
Starting point is 01:02:40 but instead the Charlo Castaño winner up at 154. Quote, if I can't get the Spence Ugas winner, I'd love to get the Jermel and Castaño winner. I want that fight. If it happens, it happens. Been calling for it for years. Fans got to be the ones that push for it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What do you think?
Starting point is 01:02:56 Okay, that quote right there. That is balls. That's a bag of sex, right? I mean, that's just some shit, right? You're on a boxing fan. You're like, hell yeah. Do I think it will get there or is his intentions 100 pure i'd say probably 50 50 in the intentions because this seems to be uh whatever leverage crawford has in the public negotiation field
Starting point is 01:03:15 which is not a lot because he's not a great salesman of himself um whatever that reputation is, he's just essentially... I lost my circle there for a second. About Spence and Crawford? About Crawford's motivation. Oh, doing this is also part of that. If you guys aren't going to pay me what I deserve to get signed by the PBC and come fight Spence and put an end to this, then I have other options.
Starting point is 01:03:42 I can go to another weight class. But if they end up saying, okay, go ahead. Would Crawford still go? I don't know. It's 50, 50 probably. I mean, he seems to be that dude, Luke, who, although he doesn't talk a lot about legacy, meaning a lot, if he doesn't, if politics keep him away from guys, I think sometimes he says that just like to get people away from him. You got to believe that he, he, the money's big. Yes, but the money's been big. He's been getting paid by top rank, right? Like the money's been big.
Starting point is 01:04:10 He can't retire without having at least like fully, completely challenged himself and emptied it out. Like you can. You just might. Dude, no. I know what you're saying. There's gotta be that same, like the dog that's in him. He might do it when it's too late, you know.
Starting point is 01:04:24 But you know that dog that's in Terrence Crawford. You've seen it come out. And when it comes out, dude, it's ferocious. You can't be that without being that competitive. Tell me that. Come on. No, I agree with that. I agree with that. I mean, he's got that, oh, you want to compete, motherfucker? kind of vibe to him. You know, that's what I do in the mirror
Starting point is 01:04:40 before I walk in the studio. It's funny that he says he grew up wrestling because that's a wrestling mentality. Like, oh, motherfucker. Like, you want to see who says he grew up wrestling because that's a wrestling mentality. Like, oh, motherfucker. Like, you want to see who's the fucking big dog? Let's go for it. You know, I talked recently about how Oklahoma,
Starting point is 01:04:50 the state, it just makes some hard-ass people. Yeah, outside those bail bonds and bond shops. I mean, is Omaha drinking the same water there of just tough as shit? Let's move through these.
Starting point is 01:05:01 No, I'm trying to characterize and categorize people of Omaha. Are they tough as shit or what, Luke? Omaha's in Nebraska. That's where Anthony Smith's from. Yeah, I know. That's move through these. I'm trying to characterize and categorize people of Omaha. Are they tough as shit or what, Luke? Omaha's in Nebraska. That's where Anthony Smith's from. Yeah, I know. That's why I'm saying, is it the same water? Are they drinking the same water? No, Oklahoma sucks. Alright, unbeaten Tim Zou.
Starting point is 01:05:15 This guy's the absolute worst, right? I mean, I've been mugged there at no point. It's not that great. Unbeaten Tim Zou. I mean, listen, if we lost Oklahoma, I mean, can Putin invade Oklahoma? It's like, oh, it's not Tim Zhu. I mean, listen, if we lost Oklahoma, can Putin invade Oklahoma? It's not a real state. Yeah, but the question was about Omaha. Are they up to that?
Starting point is 01:05:31 Are they about it? I don't know. They produced 311. I don't know shit about Omaha. Tim Zhu continues to campaign to fill in for an injured Brian Castagno, B.C., for all three of Jermell's 154 titles, telling the Auss Aussie media, he calls himself a lion, but he's a little pussycat. That's all he is. Dude, did he call... Okay, because there's a difference
Starting point is 01:05:50 between saying Jermell Charlo is a pussy and, you know, he thinks he's a lion, but he's just a pussycat. Is he calling him a pussy no matter what at the end of the day right there? I don't care. Because them are fighting words, Luke, okay? I don't care. No, that doesn't get you jazzed up. That bit of news right there does nothing for you. The news gets me jazzed. Him saying that does nothing for me. No. Paul Daly is set to take
Starting point is 01:06:10 on Andre Koreshkov. This will be May 13th at Bellator London. Same card that you have the main event title fight on the line. I don't think it's official official. I think it's been sourced and there's reports and all that. I don't think. Okay. They haven't announced it to your point. But holy. But it makes sense, right? Also, they must have told Koreshkov to call him out because the fights don't get arranged this quickly. But, dude, like, how much should we love Paul? We should love Paul Daly a lot.
Starting point is 01:06:35 I mean, like, what a. I can't believe he's still fighting. Whatever his career turned out to be, and there's been some weird turns and the firing from the UFC and all that. But, I mean, he fought who he could, Luke. And there's some big knockouts and there's some big losses, but to want to go out like this? Dude, Korskov just kicked a hole in that guy. Korskov looks like Spartan 2.0,
Starting point is 01:06:57 only he might be an even more potent killer, Luke, this new version of him. And in the case of Daly coming off this loss to Jason Jackson, although he had three wins before that against Eric Silva, Saad Awad. I mean, speak of that man's package, Luke. It's significant. He was fighting in the UFC as early as 2009, and even then I remember when he made his way to UFC, folks were like, wow, it took forever,
Starting point is 01:07:19 because he already had a 22-8-2 record or so at the time. He's done it all and has seen it all. Dude, he fought in organizations like Cage Rage back in the day. He has Semtex inside his gloves, Luke. Yeah, he's ridiculous. He's done everything and then some. But, yeah, I like this as a retirement fight, which is what it's supposed to be,
Starting point is 01:07:38 but Koreshkov is probably going to do terrible things. I mean, this is some Roxanne Modafari shit, right? A little bit. A little bit. A little bit pioneerish in that way. All right, Darren Till is seeking a three-round fight in the return to the Octagon. Quote, I've had like eight or nine main events now. And we've got Tom Aspinall from Team Kaobon doing Kaobon's 10th at UFC London. It's historical nice stuff. But I would love to just have a three-round fight.
Starting point is 01:07:58 Just open the main card and just see what it's like. Every fight I've had since Cowboy has been a main event. BC, I got to say, I agree with him. He should get a three-round fight. Yes? Okay. Yeah, but you're taking the full side? You're taking this whole take as, yeah, that's cool?
Starting point is 01:08:14 I don't know what you mean. Yeah, I mean, do I know what I mean? That's the deep question. I mean, are you saying this is the strong manly response here? Because you look really fat in those training camp videos with he had said Yeah, I have yes. Well, and I watched the whole thing which is like a 30-minute video He says when he talks to Gustafson when he gets to the gym He goes I actually haven't trained in a while
Starting point is 01:08:35 This is gonna be my first time training and it seemed like months at that point. So that's why he was a little bit Chubby, but that mixed with those comments if you're going to interpret those comments in a very... Dude, he needs a reset. Yeah, but doesn't that kind of like... You could paint a picture where it's like, I don't know if this guy wants to fight. Yes, you could take bad faith interpretations of everything anyone ever says.
Starting point is 01:08:55 And it's not that that's some manly thing. I don't look at that guy. He doesn't want the smoke. No, if that's a true feeling, then it becomes you might be in a dangerous spot. I think that fighters struggle between what you're talking about, this bravado, this invincibility that they have to kind of lie themselves into, and then also being cognizant of your own limits and then working.
Starting point is 01:09:12 You have to know your own deficiencies in order to correct them, right? And so getting that battle correct is often hard for them. I would say BC, for a guy who's had nothing but made events, has been very, I think it's nice to say, up and down with his wins and losses. It's probably a fair way to put it. Dude, he needs a reset moment.
Starting point is 01:09:31 A three round. He's not asking for a bitch. He's not asking to fight nobody. He's just saying, can I have a fight that's not five rounds so I can get my shit right? I don't know what's wrong with that. If you take it all in good faith, yes. But I think there's some reasons to,
Starting point is 01:09:44 because when he comes, he comes. Whether you thought he's overrated or whatever, he comes to fight, Luke. That's never an issue, right? He's got a fighting heart. I just feel like these fighters with that heart, they don't say stuff like this a lot. I just think that's like old school, old wives.
Starting point is 01:10:00 I mean, did you see that? Give the baby some whiskey. Did you see this picture over here? Can we get a look on that, Jake? I know. I can't believe that. I mean, did you see that? Give the baby some whiskey. Did you see this picture over here? Can we get a look on that, Jake? I know. I can't believe that. I mean, that's just like where any unsolved cold case file starts. I mean, that's what I'm
Starting point is 01:10:13 about. That's what's in me, Luke. Okay? You don't understand what's inside me right there. Pollution. Well-headed source. Yeah. Radiation poisoning. Yeah. Ioanni and Jacek speaks on the Wiley-Zhang rematch. Quote, I heard John Wiley may not be back until late July or August. What they told me was that she was planning on being back to fight in March.
Starting point is 01:10:34 Are you doing a bit right now with the voice? No, no, no. And then May-June. The last thing I had heard was July-August. I can wait, and I want to wait, but on the other hand, I don't want to wait that long. Do you think she waits for that? I don't think she does. Well, that's her, I think that's the only fight
Starting point is 01:10:47 she cares about. That's her money fight, that's her send-off fight. That's, I mean, she gets it all in one fight, right? She gets like the redemption angle mixed with biggest money she could probably make, because they're not going to give her a title fight right now unless she beats a killer like this. But you got to wait for that.
Starting point is 01:11:02 That's the only fight you want, then wait for it. Okay. And then last but not least our producer put in a quote that she has you have no opinion on this I mean she's a legend you have no opinion on JJ my only opinion was
Starting point is 01:11:11 A I thought she won her last fight I swore to God I like that's probably why I'm willing to go into business with her and I thought that dude
Starting point is 01:11:17 do you remember the pictures afterwards when it looked like she was quite literally black and blue from head to toe and swollen I'm glad she's taken the time off I think that part she's done correctly but dude I'm with toe and swollen. I'm glad she's taking the time off.
Starting point is 01:11:25 I think that part she's done correctly. But, dude, I'm with her in, like, Till, or at least Till's mode. I'm not trying to come back against Zhong Wai Li, bro. I'm trying to come back against some, like, I'm trying to do the Jim Miller program. You give me motherfuckers a lot of Wikipedia entries. I'm not saying that they're not good fighters. She doesn't want, she only wants, you've got to give that, okay, it's financially driven, of course. Yes. But she also was saying,
Starting point is 01:11:47 pay me and I'll fight anybody you want at the highest level. Yes, which is the Demetrius Johnson path. But it didn't work out for him in that sense. And will you admit, though, that she's got a fighting spirit to her, Luke? Yeah, dude, I thought she won her last fight, which was the greatest women's fight I've ever seen. I gave it to her because I thought she really, really, really put it just did so much. She she's got a dog dude I do I I don't wish ill upon her I just don't wish to have any kind of relationship with her whatsoever it's us raised in the Eastern European yes you got that thing we've got that by the way a producer included some quote she has about Kayla Harrison but it doesn't mean
Starting point is 01:12:20 anything so I'd be willing to hear it. Yeah, I'm not, so. Ends that discussion. Alright, for our next trick, let's go over to our second segment. Luke, look, look, Luke. We gotta spin this motherfucking wheel? We've had some highs and lows with this thing, then other shows are doing it, and then we've, it's not like we invented it. Well, you claimed invention of it. Once in a while we do it.
Starting point is 01:12:41 You were like, yo, I invented numbers before the Arabs did. I'm like, it'll stay that way. Well, here's the thing it. You were like, yo, I invented numbers before the Arabs did. I'm like, it'll stay that way. Well, here's the thing. This segment, it's based on the principle that Luke doesn't always want to talk about everything. In fact, he can be a bitch trying to make a rundown for this show. So, you know, why don't I create a segment where you spin the dial? And they are decently faith questions, Luke, hopefully in exchange. Why is Jay getting mic'd up for a mother? the dial and they are decently faith questions look hopefully in exchange why is jay getting
Starting point is 01:13:05 mic'd up for a good faith we call it the in-person wheel of death why is jay getting mic'd up why oh god i mean you know you got it it's luck of the draw there's people that oh you got this pre-programmed where's the wheel we gotta We have a staff here? Where's Phil? There's like 35 people sitting there. Anybody? While we're still good looking, please. See, that was a little too dadly. My name is Barak. I just walk in front of cameras in Istanbul.
Starting point is 01:13:38 Yeah, if you guys could. There you go. There we go. Maybe I spin it because I'm spinning the wheel. Don't you have a job to fall asleep on? There we go. Maybe I spin it because I'm spinning the wheel. All right. Don't you have a job to fall asleep on? So there's 14 categories on here, but you get five spins. Can I read the categories, please?
Starting point is 01:13:52 Yes, go ahead. Okay, Luke's choice. Two shots of liquor. Oh, I have to take two shots of liquor? Yeah, don't hit that one. That's one of your five spins. Fuck. Do I get to just pick the liquor?
Starting point is 01:14:02 Yeah, well, I don't know. All right, name the... I'd rather get two shots of liquor. You, Jerry. You, Jerry. Like four Jerrys here. Ask Jay Aaron. What do I have to ask him?
Starting point is 01:14:18 Oh, he'll have a question of his own. Oh, fuck me. Deal with the Dana? Yeah. I didn't say devil. I said Dana. Okay. Bout it, bout Yeah. I didn't say devil. I said Dana. Okay. Bowed it, bowed it, like Master P.
Starting point is 01:14:28 Yep. Any idea what that's about? Chewbacca, bro. Okay, okay. I mean, it might be. Keeping up with the Joneses. Get high on air. Don't threaten me with a good time.
Starting point is 01:14:43 Unlikely bedfellows. GSP's GPS. There's two Ask J's. I didn't know he was going to be here. It was like a bonus. War Games. Ask J Aaron. Yay. Pow wee way. Sext text.
Starting point is 01:15:01 I'm not texting fucking Paul Daly that I want to bang him. I'm not doing that. I like how you're like, okay, you've got to pick any famous fighter in your Rolodex and tell him you want to have sex with him. Well, it's not too far from that, so hopefully we get it, Luke. All right, well, this is going to end my fucking stupid life. All right. You get five spins.
Starting point is 01:15:20 I want a practice roll because one of these ways is better than the other. Just hold on. Let me see something here. Is this a practice? Yeah. Okay. You get what you get. This is the the other. Just hold on. Let me see something here. Is this a practice? Yeah. Okay. You get what you get. This is a better way.
Starting point is 01:15:27 Okay, okay, okay. Are you ready? Yep. How many of these am I doing? Five? Five, yeah. Fuck me. I mean, this could go many places.
Starting point is 01:15:34 What if I get the two shots twice? I'm not doing two shots twice. No, no. There's no repeats, okay? Okay, okay, great. Except for the one that's twice, which is at Jay Aaron. Unlikely bedfellows. Are we bunking up together?
Starting point is 01:15:49 No, no, no. All right. To be fair, Luke, you probably aren't getting a one-on-one interview with Dana White anytime soon. No. And if you did, he would probably duck and dodge any attempts for you to ask hard-hitting questions. And he's good at it. It would be what it would be. It would probably be an argument. It would never happen. Who cares? Right, Luke? But imagine if the two
Starting point is 01:16:08 of you stumbled into an elevator at the T-Mobile arena at the same time. And it was, he gave you that awkward look, but then you're like, you know, no one wants to be the bitch that walks out. And you know what I mean? Like, and basically says that like, you know, you're this tension right here. Okay. But then the, the, the elevator stalls, dude. And then you're there for eight hours. Okay. Just you and Dana. So you're past the awkward stage. You're talking now. You know what I mean? Then Dana's like, Oh yo, I got a, I got a fifth of howler head right here, dude. I don't even like, and then like you, you guys are shirts are off. You're just hammered. All right. And then it goes, look, dude, any, I know I like that part. I want to make it. Your shirts are off you're just hammered all right and then it goes look dude any I
Starting point is 01:16:46 know I like that part I want to make it your shirts are off but you know I want to make it that means I want to make a deal with you you can ask me any three questions you want I'll give you the real answer but you can you know I'll lie no matter what I'll never agree you know I'm saying like like you know and also I might kill you too so like know, you just like would you take that chance? What three questions would you ask him? Like three deathbed questions, basically. Yes.
Starting point is 01:17:13 And you would get the real deal. So he would answer he would answer like forthrightly. Yes. That may be he only tells Lorenzo or whatever, you know, or the other. You know what I'm saying? When they go to the, what was that movie? The Tom Cruise movie? With the masks. Last Samurai? No.
Starting point is 01:17:35 Oh, Eyes Wide Shut. Yeah, when they have those meetings and parties, you know what I mean? Oh, like the elites of the world at Davos? Yeah. First question. What year do you think the UFC became a monopoly oh wow the first one Wow are you prepared to drink that much hollerhead though to get to this moment he was actually doing it forthrightly then yeah I would drink that okay okay and I'd rather drink Marquez's you know
Starting point is 01:18:00 what no I'm teasing no I'm not drinking howlerhead but okay number two what's the craziest meeting with a fighter you've ever had oh like the one that just went off the fucking I thought you were
Starting point is 01:18:18 going to be like that time you banged the entire ring girl staff like at the same time what was that like and then lastly because this is almost
Starting point is 01:18:25 like truth serum right yeah I would say your biggest mistake what's the biggest mistake you've ever made besides being in this elevator with me
Starting point is 01:18:41 could you also throw in yo who was right BC or John S. Nash? Who was right, dude? Come on. All right, I could probably get away with that. That question sucked, here we go. Yeah, I can't vouch for all of these being entertaining, or fun, or necessary.
Starting point is 01:18:57 I like how one of these is like, bang a cast member. I'm like, deal with the Dana. All these are about Dana. I didn't know I had two Dana questions in here. All right. We all remember, Luke, the unnecessarily drawn-out retirement process of Habib, where he had retired after beating Gaethje. But no, he didn't say it, says Dana.
Starting point is 01:19:15 You know, that whole bullshit. Every time they put a microphone in front of Habib, he retired again. And then Dana said, no, no, I got to talk to him five times first. All right. So it kind of delayed uh you know a great moment right there in terms of he's not coming back and we know it but luke imagine if dana came back this month with one final offer to appeal to habib's business acumen as a promoter here's the offer habib you return to the octagon one more time against GSP in a catchweight legends fight for a shit
Starting point is 01:19:45 ton of money. And in return, Dana allows him to poach one UFC fighter under the age of 30 to fight exclusively on Eagle FC cards for a three year period to help the promotion gain traction. Which fighter? It's not the one will Habib take. Who should he take? For three years? I think I'm getting this right. Maybe if I don't know. You know what? Hold on. Under 30. Under 30. Can they be actually 30 or do they have to be under 29?
Starting point is 01:20:17 They have to be on the good side of 30, as John Anik would say. So in that case, I think my answer is pretty easy. I'm going to go with, oh, no, he doesn't qualify. He just turned 30. I was going to go with Max Holloway. Max Holloway is 30. I'm going to go with, okay, hold on. It's not to bolster the roster. It's to make a splash for the brand.
Starting point is 01:20:45 Yeah, however you want to use that. You know what I mean? You can get him during the broadcast and call the foul. I mean, you get him, right? You get him. Yeah. So how do you want to use that? Because, dude, I can make some backdoor argument that Ty Toey Vasa should be the pick.
Starting point is 01:20:57 I mean, you can go a couple different ways there, Luke. Okay, I have one more name. Hang on. I'll tell you who it is. Can't go with him either, shit. I was gonna go with Suhudo, but you can't, he's 35. I would probably go with someone we've already talked about, Rachmanov or Saryukin,
Starting point is 01:21:14 which I realize they're not celebrity names. That's not gonna help. That's not gonna, you have an opportunity because you can get anybody under 30. That's not gonna help to make a splash in the American market. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You're still gonna be in complete niche. You're trying to make a splash. You're trying to get. Spl 30, that's not going to help to make a splash in the American market. Okay, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You're still going to be a complete niche.
Starting point is 01:21:26 You're trying to make a splash. You're trying to get. Splash, okay. You could do Peter Yan. He's 29. Ooh, that's, that's. Plus, he could do some of the Russian stuff for Russian media there. I don't think, though, would he make, would he hit in the States?
Starting point is 01:21:38 I don't think. I don't know. Without the UFC's push, I don't know. And without speaking English and being just like a full-on villain. If he does, he talks greasy on social media, though, which helps him big time. Dude, I don't know who they could pick and being just like a full-on villain. He does. He talks greasy on social media though which helps him big time. Dude, I don't know who they could pick.
Starting point is 01:21:48 Do you have a better choice? I mean, that would be my number one probably. Holloway would have been my number one choice if you'd asked this a few months ago. You don't think
Starting point is 01:21:55 Tui Vassa and just build a full-on attraction? Eventually, he's going to have to be shitting in a shoe probably. It was good again. I mean, what else
Starting point is 01:22:02 can you do at that point? You could go Tui Vassa. That's a big game. There's just a lot of unknowns about him. With Max, what else can you do at that point, right? You could go to Ivasa. That's a big game. There's just a lot of unknowns about him. With Max, it's a lot of unknowns in terms of when the bottom's going to drop out. I'm sure somebody's yelling a name at the screen right now that we're not thinking about. That's right there. Daniel LaRusso.
Starting point is 01:22:16 Yeah, that's the one. All right, two spins in, right? Yeah, that's two. Sean O'Malley. Sean O'Malley is the one. Sean O'Malley. How do we not think of Sean O'Malley? That's the answer in every category.
Starting point is 01:22:25 That's 100% the answer. Who came up with that? Hey, very good. Very good. Whoever came up with that's not fired. How about that? No, we have to fire them because they make us look bad. I hope this is a good one. That's the same one.
Starting point is 01:22:39 You got to spin it again. I can't believe they let Jay Aaron in this building. Bout it, bout it. All right, you know, Luke, that's the thing. You get what you get, not what you want, okay? Okay, what am I doing? Let's face it, Luke. No human has the exact combination of loyalty and violence,
Starting point is 01:22:59 which Chewbacca brings to the table. As you said- I was the progenitor of these ideas, motherfucker. As you said so eloquently in MKDoc5 when trying to explain why Jake Paul's problem bot wasn't up to Wookiee levels of loyalty, you said old Chewie was, quote, a rear craft or a rear cut, one of the two.
Starting point is 01:23:18 But let's imagine a completely ridiculous scenario in which your good friend Danny Segura gets tied up in some organized crime he shouldn't have in South Florida while trying to make a few extra bucks. And your attempt to bail him out and remove him from said world only pulls you accidentally deeper and into the line of fire. Because you ultimately refuse to do the job for this organized crime family, they're coming after you. So after securing your family, you're allowed to draft four active UFC fighters to be your wingman of protection once the mob hitmen arrive.
Starting point is 01:23:53 Knowing some UFC fighters are much, much more about it like Chewie than their MMA brethren, and some are just outright batshit crazy, which four across the entire roster are you choosing to fill out your one-man militia okay well first things first you got the michigan slash arkansas militia already so one is bryce mitchell number one armed to the teeth yo he was a lottery pick in this draft right yeah so you go with him i get four right yeah and they have to be current ufc fighters yeah like like are you wondering is if sean strickland's really about that. And they have to be current UFC fighters, right? Like, are you wondering if Sean Strickland's really about that life?
Starting point is 01:24:27 You may have to pick him next. All right? I don't want that many white guys on my list. Okay, first of all, I'll go Big Francis. You know what I'm saying? He's intimidating as fuck.
Starting point is 01:24:41 He could lay out two people with the same punch, I think. It's possible, right? Yeah, and he's got to wear clothes that are menacing. You know what I mean? He's got to look people with the same punch, I think. It's possible, right? Yeah, like, and he's got to wear clothes that are, like, menacing. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:24:47 He's got to look the part. Yeah, he's Arnold. By the way, what is Arnold and Jake Paul doing? The slap fight. Yeah, what are we... I said Arnold, buddy.
Starting point is 01:24:54 What are we doing here, bro? I mean, could somebody step in and just be like, yo, Arnold, just, you know... I know you're desperate for, but come on, buddy. You were just in that commercial on the Super Bowl, bro.
Starting point is 01:25:02 Come on, dude. You were there. It's like, dude, you were in Terminator 2. Like, what are you doing? Dude, why did he give birth in that movie? Junior, why did they do that? I don't know. Anyway, hold on.
Starting point is 01:25:09 So that's two. Damn. So I've got Bryce Mitchell. I've got Ngannou. Now, back in the day, I would have said Frank Mir. Frank Mir is a huge weapons guy. In fact, I've told this story before, but Dana White told Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post that when Mir used to go to events for for them they would have to get him special permits
Starting point is 01:25:27 because he would carry in all kinds of knives and guns but he is no longer on the roster so who's another person who's yeah you Tim Kennedy's not walking through that self-defense freak you know also is kind of about it Oh Joaquin Buckley's coach from Detroit that guy, that guy is a charlatan. He's not his coach anyway. He's just a rando. I'm going to say Chito Vera. Chito Vera is bout it, motherfucking bout it, dude.
Starting point is 01:25:54 His tattoos suggest that. They do, yeah. Like, you give that guy a toothbrush, you're getting shanked in the shot. Chito, right up in there. No, no, I love Chito. He's fucking tough as shit. So I got Chito, I got Francis, and I've got Bryce. I need a wild card.
Starting point is 01:26:09 You know who I'm going with? Agapava. Was it Maria Agapava? Yeah, you're right. Bro, you think anyone is going to talk shit to her without her pulling out the AK and just spraying Grandma on the block? Yeah, she's going to be like Lara Croft Tomb Raider on that shit. There's no question.
Starting point is 01:26:22 The whole block's getting wet when Agapava comes around with the fucking AK. Please believe it. Oh, wow. That guy was erotic and gross and weird. Oh, that's three spins in, correct? Yeah, that's three. All right. Number four, Championship Rounds, BC.
Starting point is 01:26:34 We're gonna check time. I mean, this could go in a few directions here, Luke. It's like, lick BC's butthole. I'm not doing that. G-S-P's G-P-S. I'm not doing that. GSP's GPS. Oh, that's a play on letters if I've ever heard it, right? Please, I hope you're fired after the show.
Starting point is 01:26:54 In 2013, Luke, at the age of 33, we all remember George St. Pierre abruptly retiring following a split decision win over Johnny Hendricks, UFC 167 Vegas, citing fatigue and drug testing issues amid a largely cryptic explanation that I still don't really understand. GSP would sit out four full years
Starting point is 01:27:12 and then you know what happened next, okay? But considering, Luke, an alternate world in which GSP doesn't retire after that beating he took against Hendricks in the split decision, and Dana does convince him to get back on the horse and fight it out. I'm going to give you a year and a half and three fights. Who would GSP have fought next in succession and what would have been the most likely result in each one?
Starting point is 01:27:42 Had he not retired. In 2013. His 12th consecutive win over was the Hendricks win. So if he had stayed there and not given the belt back, number one, there would have been an automatic rematch. Because most, I won't say most, a lot of people thought Hendricks won that fight, number one. That's the first thing I'd say.
Starting point is 01:27:59 So two more, right? After that, going to be Lawler. Lawler put himself right back in the top of that division. Okay, so who wins the rematch then with Hendrix? You gotta do this in order here. You gotta tell us what happens. Well, once he gets in there, it changes the whole timeline. But this is an alternate universe that you are in control of, so what happens? What does it look like in each scenario?
Starting point is 01:28:15 GSP wins the rematch again. Like by split decision? Yeah, super close again, but he makes a couple of adjustments. And then he… And doesn't get CTE doesn't well I mean he was pretty beat up the thing is
Starting point is 01:28:27 he didn't have the CTE issue as much as he had just like total burnout yeah so then Lawler so if he beats
Starting point is 01:28:35 Hendricks in the rematch dude he may empty it out though this like he may empty it out yeah but if I had to give you three fights like Roy Jones
Starting point is 01:28:41 against Tarver you know what I mean like the first time where he got the win but he had to use everything he had. But that was the case with the first one. He was not... Actually, you know what?
Starting point is 01:28:48 You know what? If there would have been a rematch, maybe Hendricks would have won because GSP retired or left the game. Okay, you've got to rewrite... On his hands and knees. Then this is a choose-your-own-adventure. Okay, so he stays. He is overwhelmed.
Starting point is 01:29:00 Talent for talent, I pick GSP. But the condition he was in at that time, I guess I would actually pick Hendricks. Then Hendricks goes against Lawler. And I forget... So where does GSP then go in the second fight if he loses the Hendricks rematch? He would have to get one rematch. Does he go celebrity fight?
Starting point is 01:29:15 Does he go Anderson Silva? Where is he going? That might be the Anderson Silva thing. Yeah, he probably might. I don't know if UFC makes it because all the reasons UFC never made it. Yeah, but if he had already lost and wasn't the bell holder,
Starting point is 01:29:24 now he's like just... He probably would have taken one or two more and then left. That's it. Yeah, but if he had already lost and wasn't the bell holder, now he's like just the… Yeah, he probably would have taken one or two more and then left. That's right. Okay, so would he have beaten Anderson Silva in that condition? Yes. Yes. Even with the wrestling, he still would have done it. Yes.
Starting point is 01:29:32 So then you get one more, man. You could… God, is Conor ready? I mean, you could do some big business. Totally. You could have done a lot of different things, but the way he did it, it ended up the way he did it, I suppose. All right, Luke.
Starting point is 01:29:42 You have one more spin. It could be boring like that one or it could be spectacular. You know, we don't rig it for a reason, okay? Like the big rig Johnny Hendricks. Keeping up with the Joneses. Oh, man, all those Jay Aaron possibilities and we don't even get one. Take your fucking mic off, bitch. Luke, we have had a lot of fun.
Starting point is 01:30:04 He's like, I shaved for this. We have had a lot of fun. He's like, I shaved for this. We have had a lot of fun at your expense over the years. Yes, you have. Reliving the UFC 214 nightmare in Los Angeles. 2017's most egregious send to hell by an athlete to journalist when Jon Bones Jones left you in more
Starting point is 01:30:20 peril than when he choked Lyoto Machida lifeless and dropped the body as the eyes rolled back in the head. But Luke, imagine this were a movie and you could go back and relive that moment. And I know we've talked about this in some lane in the past of like, you know, your long-term reaction to it. I'm not talking about that.
Starting point is 01:30:38 I'm talking about your in the moment reaction. Sometimes people in that moment think Larry Merchant against Floyd Mayweather after the Victor Ortiz knocked out where where mayweather's like you don't know shit about boxing hbo should fire you and larry merchant i would kick your ass if i was 50 years younger i would kick your i mean that is i mean obviously it's an old guy saying they're not gonna fight like it so of course you can have big balls but that was quick and that was cutting and that was fun i know but like you wouldn't do shit he's right he wouldn't do but like, he battled back to win that little meme moment back and forth. If you could go back in time, what would be your response in the moment that could have
Starting point is 01:31:14 won that back for you? What do you wish you could have said? You could have tried to play the dozens with him. One thing I thought of, the reason why it was as bad as it was, one was John was obviously pretty adamant about it, but the other part was, I only asked the one thing I thought of, the reason why it was as bad as it was, one was John was obviously pretty adamant about it, but the other part was I only asked the question because I thought we were on good terms, and I didn't know at the time we were on bad terms.
Starting point is 01:31:32 So partly I would have just never asked it, but you're asking, I've already committed and now we're waiting for the response, he gives what he gives, now what do I do, right? One would be to just sort of play the dozens with him and be like, you know, are you under the impression we're asking you questions because we like you? Like, that's got nothing, who and what we like has nothing to do with it.
Starting point is 01:31:49 The other one was, I should have, this is what I thought of when I left the building because I was like, fuck. Again, I was caught unprepared. I was just like, what the fuck had just happened? I mean, look, you just got caught in it. Like, when people are dunking on you for this, it's not like, it's not like you necessarily brought it upon yourself. I had no idea that was coming.
Starting point is 01:32:04 Even though you did ask it in like this kind of snooty tone, but's not like you necessarily brought it upon yourself. I had no idea that was coming. Even though you did ask it in like this kind of snooty tone, but like, whatever, you're doing your job. I did not ask it in a snooty tone. You didn't deserve to get... Stop, stop, hold on, hold on, hold on. I did not ask that question
Starting point is 01:32:13 in a snooty tone. If anything, it was a layup of all layups. I'm saying I have asked similar questions and you have to have a snooty tone to ask that if you're just going to
Starting point is 01:32:21 straight up ask it. That's what I'm saying. I don't think that's right. I'm not saying you were nefarious. Here's what I should have done. I should have immediately pivoted to getting Cormier to talk about his fucked up 20s. Okay, so I get the damage control because you're taking this with like an actual response
Starting point is 01:32:35 and giving it the good faith. I'm talking about what's the counter jab that you could have put in there that would have like, you could have had your moment. Oh, you mean I could have made some hooker joke about like, did you like all the hookers? Yeah, it would like to tell me how my ass tastes at the end. You don't ever think about spiking that ball right on that. I don't ever think about that. I literally never think about that.
Starting point is 01:32:55 But you don't, the rare times you do, you don't have a moment in your mind of, you know what I mean? Yeah, I told that guy. In retrospect, it was the canary in the coal mine for a lot of different, I'm almost grateful for it, to be quite honest with you. I mean, I wish it didn't happen the way that it happened, but the result of it was actually extremely illuminating. So I'm grateful for that. You've even been like, yo, Matt Hamill would have beat you in the rematch. That's why you ran from him. I mean, you know. You just want me to like say something nasty and insulting, basically, right? His life is a mess.
Starting point is 01:33:27 No, we got there. We did it. You got five spins, you're out. I can't believe I didn't have to do two shots of bullshit liquor. That could have gone in some... I mean, Luke, there was one... I don't even want to tell you because it's going to resurface one day. Talk about moral dilemma stuff. I mean, it would have put him in a very tough position.
Starting point is 01:33:43 I'm not doing the crying game on here. We're not doing that game. You ever seen that movie? No. I'm not doing the crying game on here. We're not doing that game. You ever seen that movie? No. You've never seen the crying game? I've never seen it and I never even heard of Daddy Jenki. You never heard of Gasolina? No dude.
Starting point is 01:33:55 It's a song called Gasolina where he basically talks about just spraying jizz on everyone. I know this presents the scenario as if I'm looking down on your shit. Your shit's not even in this area. You know this presents a scenario as well. I'm not even doing a bit. As if I'm looking down on your shit. I just don't, your shit's not even in this area. You know what I mean? No. You're like, I don't have any room
Starting point is 01:34:09 in my brain for minorities. No, no, but, you know, but, yeah, okay. I was going to talk about vinyl records. Nobody wants to hear that. No, we should do fan subs.
Starting point is 01:34:19 Yeah, you know, we should. I should cue them up right now. Why don't you introduce the segment? This is where you guys send us your half-baked
Starting point is 01:34:26 MS art clips and we roast them. Morningcombat at gmail.com. Fan submissions. No. The fans submit art. They submit pictures of themselves in our gear. I don't think I have this. Oh, that's great. This is great. This is great
Starting point is 01:34:41 producing. This is only the part of the show you're in most control of. Look, while I'm finding it, I'm calling it up now. Can't you just, like, you know, do a little song and dance, do something, you know? I'm silently judging you. Not so silently. Okay, here we go. Oh, I'm in it.
Starting point is 01:34:56 I'm in it now. Oh, yeah. Okay, first from Tyler. Yo, I got it. I'm here. I'm here. All right, all right. From Tyler. Tyler from Yeah, I got it. I'm here. All right. All right. From Tyler.
Starting point is 01:35:05 Tyler from the 412 here again. I was absolutely cracking up while you two discussed Sean Strickland nonchalantly telling another grown man he would wrap him. I think there was an E on the end in jail.
Starting point is 01:35:15 I got an exclusive photo of Strickland and Kevin Holland on the inside. I also thought Casey O'Neill did a great job of channeling Luke when he sees poor cable management. On an unrelated note, RJ Grundlemaker gets some big and tall merch for fat fucks like me? Yeah, this is a very ordinary Photoshop.
Starting point is 01:35:36 I think it was his way to use this segment for what it's worth. When Luke sees poor cable management, if you want me to be the bad guy, then fuck you. I'll be the fucking bad guy. Stop booing me. That's basically it. That's fair. That's good photoshopping.
Starting point is 01:35:56 That's better. That's got some humor on it. Is there any more from this guy? Just the two. Those are the two. All right. Let's go to Max. He says,
Starting point is 01:36:02 Hi, Donk Nation. Here I am in the Canadian Arctic on a Northern Lights photo expedition while wearing my MK Toki. I know we've been through this, you know. As the Canadians call it, it was minus 50 degrees, and while it may look like I'm about to invade the capital, in reality, that look is a fruitless attempt at keeping my face from freezing. With Luke's camera equipment and ungloved hands,
Starting point is 01:36:25 he would probably be able to take some pretty badass photos up here. BC being the delicious, delicate flower that he is, I added delicious, sorry, would more than likely not last five minutes before running inside for warmth. Man, they're just coming for me in this segment, Luke. I mean, it's just unbridled passion. It has somehow turned into another dead wrong for you. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:45 Wow. All right. So, Luke, have you seen, you know, have you ever passioned to want to go out and see that Aurora Borealis? What gibberish did you just vomit? Them northern lights, bitch. What did you call them? Aurora, Aurora Borealis.
Starting point is 01:37:03 Oh, that's right. I mean, I got, you know, come on. Aurora Borealis, yes. Sagan, right? That's my shit, right? It's kind of the books, right? Yeah, yeah. Can you keep going, please?
Starting point is 01:37:17 All right. That'll do that one. Hey, Cesar from Chicago here, just rocking the factory town. You skipped Max. Did I skip Max? Oh, no, that was Max. Never mind just rocking the factory town. You skipped Max. Did I skip Max? Oh, no, that was Max. Never mind. You got it right.
Starting point is 01:37:27 I'm sorry. I'm an asshole. Is he just trying to show off his... Yeah, I mean, he's just in there, you know, essentially buying t-shirts three sizes too small. All right, this is Cesar, Cesar F. from Chicago. Cesar. Cesar.
Starting point is 01:37:40 He's rocking the factory town line for his main guy, B.C. with the B.D.E. I'm Mexican, so I also had to snag one of those drug rugs. No way I'm letting BC take everything my people worked for. I'll be going to Mexico soon, so I'll send in a submission when I go. Love you guys. Keep up the great work. Keep up the dad jokes. These messages that we read from the viewers, it's like reading rap lyrics. It's like, you can say the N-word, we can't. Yeah, all right, let's go to Michael here.
Starting point is 01:38:10 Having listened co-host to a... having likened co-host to a clown last week, it was good to see him get a win this week. BC, may all of your former Soviet states remain independent. I don't even know where we are. Wow, okay. Yeah. Is that me as the Scorpions drummer?
Starting point is 01:38:33 It's definitely not the Def Leppard drummer. Oh, wow. I mean, normally I'm willing to take that chance. I don't know if I would have taken that one. Wow, okay. Let's'm willing to take that chance. I don't know if I would have taken that one. Okay. Let's go over to Jeffrey. My girlfriend Anastasia made me a part of MK's exclusive club of folks whose... Don't fuck?
Starting point is 01:38:54 Whose significant others bought them merch. Over the weekend I flew to Minneapolis to... Dude, this guy like joined a club for virgins then wore our gear to it. He flew to Austin for the marathon, and he's sporting MK gear afterwards with his fellow Minnesotans who also ran the race. During the race, I saw a spectator sign that read BDE, and of course thought of you guys. I've been a huge fan of Luke since the promotional malpractice days. And Brian, when you seemed goofy as hell, you were brought on the MMA beat. Yeah, that's true, because I was coming for that J6 style. And Brian, when you seemed goofy as hell, you were brought on the MMA beat.
Starting point is 01:39:28 Yeah, that's true, because I was coming for that J6 style. I don't mean politically. I mean with that passion and feel, Luke. P.S., maybe don't say the names of those shows I mentioned from Luke's Vox Media days. He seems to be in a bad mood lately. Okay, there you go. Thank you. That's okay.
Starting point is 01:39:47 You can name them. Big Bear says, hey, here's a video of my son Alexander saying our favorite chant, though he does trail at the end, trail off, just like BC's attention span is known to do. Okay. We can't hear him, so what's he saying? That's what I'm talking about. We can't hear him, so what's he saying? M-K-O-D. That's what I'm talking about. M-K-O-D. M-K-O-D on that ass.
Starting point is 01:40:11 Very nice. Thank you, Big Bear. You're raising them right. Thank you. Correct. Okay. This is Arjun coming in. Hey, Luke in BC.
Starting point is 01:40:19 Congrats on the award. You and your staff truly deserve it. Thanks for all the content. I made a small illustration of you two to show my gratitude. Much love and God bless. Luke, this man made this. This artist. He did a good job with the tattoo, but one, my bicep's not that big, number one. And number two. Oh, don't you dare Mr. He-Boss this shit. Hold on. Don't you dare. Don't I look like Jorge Masvidal went into witness protection? And what do they call him now joey yeah and now they call him joseph matthews yes yeah now he's uh thomas rivers or whatever the fuck um a little bit right
Starting point is 01:40:52 a little bit i look like jorge maslow on witness protection yeah yeah yeah there's a little yeah yeah um yeah i don't know i think that i think while i don't want to go back luke to the bomb shelter days when we had like that fake amanda nununes and fake Deontay Wilder body on there, I would like to see this. This guy's art spread across that wall right there. Can we show that wall? They have the amazing posters from Web Scream. Luke, I know that'll crowd it, but I want that thing in the background. You know what I mean? Hey, we got ladders in the middle of nowhere yeah all right I guess we'll have a decorating meeting later thank you look you have to be happy that they brought some of your personality to this I am very finally I'm very happy okay uh Alexander says a fanny pack centered fan sub here I don't
Starting point is 01:41:40 typically buy merch but fanny packs are incredibly useful for carrying film, cameras, and gas station food, so I couldn't say no. People are always staring at my crotch anyway, so what a great opportunity to advertise one of the best shows, Alex K. He's got a whole little how-to in this bitch. Buckingham Palace. Now, Luke, is he pulling that off, though? And I love the passion for our show that he's showing right now, but unlike you trying that European black man bag at the Indians game,
Starting point is 01:42:08 Cag Barty, if you want to. At the Indians game? Motherfucker, I wear that all over vacation. I wore it every day. Every time I go out, I wear it. That's a little dicey. That's a little, it's a little. I, dude, my bona fides masculinity are locked in stone.
Starting point is 01:42:23 Okay, so who's pulling it off more? Alex here? In public with the MK White? Fanny pack? No, I got one that is from Chrome, which is this cool little bag and jacket company.
Starting point is 01:42:38 And dude, I can put diapers in there for my baby daughter. I put motherfucking hand sanitizer, gym locker. I got my motherfucking vaccine records. I got my phone. I got my wallet. I got my weed. I got my baby daughter. I put motherfucking hand sanitizer, gym locker. I got my motherfucking vaccine records.
Starting point is 01:42:45 I got my phone. I got my wallet. I got my weed. I got my gummies. I got my Delta 8. I got my nasal spray. I got my motherfucking thing to get back into the parking lot.
Starting point is 01:42:56 I got all kinds of shit up in there. You got any room for condoms in there? Even more Delta 8? Don't know. Never use them, right? That's the old Willie Nelson half-baked joke. That's right. Raw diggity dog.
Starting point is 01:43:06 All right. A couple more here for you. I'm married. This person is called Young Thick. Hello, Luke in BC. It's Frank again. When I saw Luke... I like how they're like, hey, it's Steve again.
Starting point is 01:43:16 We don't know you. When I saw Luke flexing his vape and his energy drink while watching the latest episode of MK in the middle of art class... Your average emo ninth grader at 7 a.m. on TV. That's actually pretty good. That's an odd flex, but we'll take it, okay? It wasn't. Dude, I don't flex anymore.
Starting point is 01:43:35 I don't know what's cool. I don't pretend to know what's cool. I don't give a shit what you're up to. Yo, your reflection almost at like Bruce Bove levels of no self-awareness. It's a big part of your charm, Luke, okay? Two more here. One from Will. That's all it says. What do you got, Will? What is this? Can you blow it up? BC, these donks are killing me. I think I need another 17 week vacation. Only 10 days, you ingrates.
Starting point is 01:44:00 Luke, we only work two hours a day. By the way, these are real conversations that go on behind the scenes of this show. It's great. That was well played there, Will. I mean, I'm not going to say it's not a funny joke. It's a funny joke. Yeah. Did I write that?
Starting point is 01:44:13 No, that was from Will. We close with Scott L. Here's a short video I made for the show. Hope Luke and Brian get a laugh. Keep up the great work. You're a boxer? Damn right. Look at that.
Starting point is 01:44:25 You look hungover. Were you drinking wine with Paulo Costola? And I just... Oh, no. That's not even... I mean, just the biggest douchebag. I hate me too. So that does look like me.
Starting point is 01:44:38 That doesn't look like you at all. Also, I have no tattoos, which you're not that big and neither am I. Yo, I got a factory ready beard right there. That's great. Yo, use that jab, BC. you're not that big, and neither am I. Yo, I got a factory-ready beard right there. That's great. Yo, use that jab, BC. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 01:44:50 Yo, but he'll take it. Look, yo, he'll take that and keep coming. Yo, BC very much on the defensive here. Let's see what happens. Oh. Oh. Shit his pants. Yo, I think I was using. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 01:45:00 I was using that beard as a weapon, yo, okay? You and Kim. Oh. Yo, he's got no business. Oh! Yo, he's got no business. Oh! Yo, he's got no business getting up, but watch. Look at that. Watch this guy.
Starting point is 01:45:09 To the bread basket, bro. Yo, but watch this guy. To the bread basket. Watch this guy get up. Watch this, Luke. You gonna get up like Tyson Fury? Watch this. We may go down, okay?
Starting point is 01:45:17 Oh, no. I win. That's it. Oh, they cut off the video. We don't know what happened next. We go down and stay down. The Brian Campbell story. Been down they cut off the video. We don't know what happened next. We go down and stay down the Brian Campbell store. Been down since day one.
Starting point is 01:45:28 Yes. That's all the fan subs we got this week. Wow. That was a wild train ride. It's like when you go to like your daughter, you know, like the local county fair, when like they set it up in the back of like a cabbage hands guy's car.
Starting point is 01:45:40 And then like, you know, you're like, if I put my daughter on that, she might not come back. You know what I mean? You ever been on one of those and it got a little, No. So only like six feet off the ground, but it got a little then like, you know, if I put my daughter on that she might not come back. You know what I mean? You ever been on one of those and it got a little... No. It's only like six feet off the ground
Starting point is 01:45:48 but it got a little edgy, you know. You're the guy who goes to Disney to see the fucking banjo bears. I mean, the worst choice.
Starting point is 01:45:57 Frontierland is the shit. The worst choice on how to spend your time. No, that area is badass. Yo, you ever get that full turkey leg on the stick?
Starting point is 01:46:04 I never did that to you. No, I'm not Conan the Destroyer. Do you think they have Southerners who evade the whole thing in one sitting? Oh, yeah. There's some fat motherfuckers who roll up in there, bro. But, yeah, it's expensive. But they need to give you that big-ass turkey leg. It's an arm and a leg to go to that place.
Starting point is 01:46:19 Luke, our MK Southern fans deserve enough respect not to just pile on them like that, you know? As someone who grew up in the South, I intend to demean the South the rest of my life. I intend to. I know all your secrets and you're terrible people. Okay. We'll be filming another resume review soon. We are. We'll see what happens with that.
Starting point is 01:46:37 I'm excited in this building, in this place right here. We're going to be doing a resume review. We're going to be doing some other previews to get ready for and some other stuff. Oh, you want to bring on Jay to ask about his next musical project? Who cares? I mean, just, I mean, who could care less? Not me. There you see us on social.
Starting point is 01:46:56 You can follow us everywhere. You can go to Showtime.com, get a 30-day free trial. If you like it, you can keep it. If not, you can bounce. MorningCombat at gmail.com for dead wrongs on Friday. Otherwise, to reach the show. What else, BC? Where are we going to put this?
Starting point is 01:47:11 We put it on your side or mine? I don't really care. You have to move stuff on yours, though, because we can't put it on your side. No, this has got to be on your side, okay? You think so? Yeah, or maybe we just build an altar for it or something. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:47:23 Yeah. But that's it for us. Yo, we could win that other one, though, too, if people care. altar for it or something. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. But that's it for us. We could win that other one, though, too, if people care. Yes, podcast or sports. Podcastawards. Yeah,.com. .com. There it is. Sports Podcast Awards.
Starting point is 01:47:33 You've got to, like, type a couple things, but you don't have to give any information, like, of a legit note, okay? I don't need your social security number there, but if you care about voting for it, that's cool. That's it for us. Unless you're just a big aerial head. Can we go? All head. Can we go? All right?
Starting point is 01:47:45 Can we go? Yeah, we should go. Okay. You know why there's no other shows as good as this show? Huh? Because no one else is willing to take that risk. All right. For Mr. Delta 8 to my left, Mr. Delta 10, we have to go.
Starting point is 01:47:57 I want to thank Malka. I want to thank CBS. I want to thank Showtime. I'm just pointing in random directions at this point. That's Brian. I'm Luke. We have a lot more to record. It'll be out in the coming weeks, so until then.
Starting point is 01:48:07 How nervous were you if the wheel came up, named the staff? Petrified. Couldn't do it if my life depended on it. All right, and with that, I thank you all so much for watching. May all of your gains be loyal.

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