MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC Fight Night Recap | Tyson Fury KOs Whyte | Bellator 278 & 279 Roundup | Ep. 293

Episode Date: April 25, 2022

Episode 293 is a big one. Luke and Brian breakdown Tyson Fury's big win over Dillian Whyte and discuss Fury's future. Plus, they recap UFC Fight Night and both Bellator events from Hawaii. (10:00) - A...ndrade Subs Lemos (24:00) - Barner, Jourdain, Puelles (35:00) - Fury KOs Whyte (59:10) - Fury vs. Ngannou (01:14:30) - Bellator 278 & 279 (01:31:00) - DM's from Donks (01:40:00) - HYSTS Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:07 Reveley, reveley, dogs. Look at us now, tip to tip. wake up wake up sleepyheads I know if you watched bellator on saturday night you didn't get a chance to go to bed until 10 a.m but it's monday now you can wake up and enjoy the day you can enjoy the show it's time ladies and gentlemen on this 25th of april 2022 for morning combat i am merely one half of your hosting duo i join you from the capital of estados venidos right here in washington dc my name is luke thomas and that is the Viceroy of Connecticut. On that side of the screen, he is the original CTDB, the Connecticut Dirtbag himself. My friend and yours, it's Brian Campbell. What's up, BC?
Starting point is 00:01:35 Hey, it's Monday morning, Luke, okay? It's just another manic Monday. I wish it were Sunday, Luke, because that's my fun day. You know what I mean? How was it hunting in the deer stand with that hat this morning? My I don't have to run day. That's an 80s reference. Get it right. No, it's going great, Luke.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Happy to be here. Big fan of the 109 or so thousand people who like and subscribe what we do on YouTube because, Luke, it doesn't matter how washed I feel, and boy do I. I get out of that bed, I put on the hunting cap, I feel. And boy, do I, I get out of that bed. I put on the hunting cap. I turn on the microphone and I look into this camera and I fucking bring it,
Starting point is 00:02:10 bro. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, like, you know, win, lose or draw Luke, right? You know what I mean? I'm like Arlene Blanco in that cyborg match. I may not win, bro. I may not.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Okay. I may be, but, but I'm, I'm coming. I'm coming on Luke. Okay. Okay. People keep calling that fight fight like it was a war it was yeah like the mexican-american war like it was not it was one-sided you're saying it was more desert shield to your to your war liking yeah yeah it was a lot more desert shield than you know um let's say the Marines' island hopping campaign in World War II. In any event, we'll get to that.
Starting point is 00:02:48 But, of course, we're going to talk about Fury versus White. And we haven't done any UFC analysis from the weekend. We'll actually lead the show with that today because we were going to get caught up on it. Wow, what a controversial decision, Luke, on Tyson Fury Day to lead with that. Well, here's the thing. By a million miles, incontestably, I mean, this is not even debatable. The Tyson Fury fight was not just bigger it was orders of magnitudes bigger but here was the problem
Starting point is 00:03:08 number one you did a great post fight show that's not a problem but I was just saying we already gave it some coverage here with your great post fight show which you can check out youtube.com slash morning combat I did in fact do a Bellator post fight show we've not done any UFC analysis nothing and while the card wasn't great, Jessica Andrade is a beast. So we got to talk about that to start the show off. So thumbs up on the video as BC indicated, please hit subscribe. If you haven't, if you're listening on YouTube, give us a review on whatever podcast platform you are listening on BC. There got some AG one there. That's just sort of the water just kind of rakes over the top of it. And then he drinks it, but it's what he likes. Anyway,
Starting point is 00:03:44 a showtime.com is the label that pays. If you haven't got Showtime, you can get a 30-day free trial. Coming up, by the way, Castaño Charlo or Charlo Castaño 2 coming up pretty soon. That's going to be not on pay-per-view. That's going to be free, all part of the Showtime when you pay for the service. Showtime.com, 30-day free trial. Just a reminder, because we just saw the Spence Ugas replay on Showtime, if you missed that, in that co-main event of that already fantastic Charlo Castaño two-card, May 14th, Carson, California,
Starting point is 00:04:11 Jerron boots out of this against Castillo Clayton for a shot at becoming Errol Spence's No. 1 contender. Give me some of that, Luke, okay? Yeah, everyone wants Spence Crawford, but old Boots is looking up that scenario and thinking to himself, I might love to play spoiler here, a little Usyk to our Joshua Fury kind of scenario. In any event, that'll be on the 15th of May, so that's coming up. You're going to want to get that.
Starting point is 00:04:34 Or the 14th, Luke. You can take your pick. Maybe you're talking to the Australian fans. Listen, I haven't slept because I just finished covering Bellator. Bellator just ended, BC. I'm finally getting a chance to turn the page. Didn't you house a bunch of Colombians this weekend as well? Yes,
Starting point is 00:04:51 there are many at my house this weekend. They're here right now. They're all getting dressed and ready. You know, four days or four or five days before the huge reveal of the long-awaited Papa Gringo comedy special, you're already living that, Luke, okay?
Starting point is 00:05:07 Bro, I live that life 24-7, 365. In fact, it got to the point this weekend where my in-laws badgered me to finish. You know how when Yoda was like, yo, don't go save your friends, you gotta finish your Jedi training here on the Dagobah system, and Luke was whining like a bitch. He was like, you don't know shit, you year old green booger looking motherfucker that's kind of how I talk to my in-laws when they plead with me to get better with my Spanish but they've made a good point they're like your daughter's not going to be as fluent as she needs to be if you're not as fluent as you need to be so they kind of badger me I might have to go start taking formal lessons
Starting point is 00:05:39 to finally get over that to get over that hump that would be the most all honesty and I get why you would do it, you know, for your daughter, for your family, but that would be the most Luke Thomas thing you could fucking ever do. You already live with Spanish-speaking people, but you're like, no, I'm going to go take lessons. You know what I mean? Like, okay, okay, Luke. This is true. I have a lifetime subscription in Spanish to Rosetta Stone. I have it on my iPad.
Starting point is 00:06:03 I take lessons on that all the time. I tried that for three sessions, Luke. How'd it go? About as well as my college career went. You know, I dropped out of both, Luke. All right. Look at me now, though. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:06:14 Yeah. La niña corre. All right. Well, we got a ton of stuff to get to, as I mentioned. UFC, Tyson Fury, Bellator, a whole lot more. Plus your questions. Plus, have you seen this shit? Thumbs up on the video. All that good stuff. Morningcombat.store is the place to get to as i mentioned ufc tyson fury bill tour a whole lot more plus your questions plus have you seen this shit thumbs up in the video all that good stuff uh morning combat dot store is the
Starting point is 00:06:28 place to get some merch we've got some cool summer merch that we're still working out so be on the lookout for that that's coming soon but of course bc's wearing some other great merchandise that we have put on the store and then um i think that's it bc to get things you uh here you i heard you pop when rj dunkelmaker sent me to hell on the Zoom this morning. That was like, you know. The morning ritual is that everyone collects on the, again, we have two systems that we run, one of which is through Zoom. And so everyone collects in the Zoom call, including the merch guy. And BC was kind of grilling him like, you know, what's your new idea, motherfucker?
Starting point is 00:07:02 What do you got? Like he's Nate Diaz looking for a fight in a parking lot and uh he was like i haven't heard anything from you he's like well you just signed on to the call at 10 53 understand we're supposed to sign on to the call at 10 30 but you know what i think you were covering bellator so you just finished right i just woke up that's why you were absent yeah yeah i cannot believe that they did that seriously i'm beyond bitter about it all right but neither here nor there bc if you're ready to get going i am ready to get going i'm ready baby yeah great 90s reference right there okay listo ja all right let's start with the ufc since we haven't talked about them at all we begin topic number one jessica andrage scored the first ever
Starting point is 00:07:43 standing head and arm triangle in UFC history. No man, no woman had ever done it to this point. Been threatened a million times, but no one's ever done it. She gets it over Amanda Lemos or Lemos. BC, a lot of different ways to start this question. What I'm going to say is, was this the proof that you needed to believe she is absolutely capable of winning a title at 115 pounds again i would say it was a reminder of the proof because this was the most jessica andrage performance
Starting point is 00:08:12 that jessica andrage has had in a while luke and what i mean by that is getting pieced up early from a very capable amanda lamos who controlled the distance well was landing big shots was landing a variety if you will will, of big shots. And then as soon as Andras found her opening, normally that opening is filled with a big right hand. This time it was closing distance and going into that choke, as you mentioned. I mean, look, that's who she is. She's a flawed, at times vulnerable, plotting destroyer who will take a bunch to give one or two. And in this case, adding more to her arsenal to prove that whether she's slamming you on her head
Starting point is 00:08:52 or still firing back in round five of a title fight she's losing, she's not going out, Luke, without a fight, without everything that's inside of her. At age, what, 30, 31 at the worst? I forgot at the moment. She's very much still a title contender in this division after moving back down. And the blue hair, Luke, and the added tack game really just adding to her badass persona. I mean, I know you're going to want to talk about the technique of her submission skills, but how about the technique of her tattoo artist? This ain't Mr. He-Boss, Luke. Which ones particular are new I didn't notice I mean all over the shoulders and in
Starting point is 00:09:30 in arms Luke I mean she's starting to add the full sleeves yeah it looks like she I can't quite tell it's obviously black and gray but it might be some neo-traditional work there as well I I didn't really pay too much attention that I was watching the But BC, I think she is crazy underrated. Like, everyone could say, okay, for the first few minutes, you know, Lemos at distance was popping her with the jab and some other stuff, and she was getting hit with it. But dude, Rose Namajunas did that for two fucking rounds, and it didn't mean anything.
Starting point is 00:09:58 Her chin is ridiculous. Now, you could say, well, Zhong Wai Li, you know, was able to get a quick stoppage when she got a little bit overconfident. Okay, that's fine. Also, she was backed up against the fence, I believe, at that time. But now that she's a little bit more careful, now that she's a little bit more worried about footwork and trying to keep a tight defense. I'm not saying that people can't get through.
Starting point is 00:10:14 You saw people get through. You've seen it a million times. But when she's just careful enough, she's also super durable. Dude, she's a fucking T1 Abrams tank, man. She has armor she has obviously the ability to move forward and if she gets her hands on you good luck to you you're gonna need it getting the wins at the elite level through ko slams i mean how many ko slams for title victories have there been in the ufc hardly any. There's been that many KO slams, period.
Starting point is 00:10:45 There's been four KO slams in the history of the UFC, Luke. Right. So Zinoviev and Shamrock, Tanner and Ortiz, this one. I can't remember the last one. Carlos Newton got slams. Oh, and Newton and, yeah. Dude, we're talking about in the pantheon of MMA greatness that she's been involved in now.
Starting point is 00:11:02 Even though she was getting touched up from Lamos a little bit, again, I go back to the fact that she is ordinarily quite durable. And more to the point, dude, it just, you got to put in several rounds of that before it even has an effect. And if she can get a hold of you, dude, I just want to explain something to folks. To get a standing, here's how I'll explain this. I've been taught the head and arm triangle two different ways.
Starting point is 00:11:23 One way I always talk about where you can sort of lock it up, palm facing down with a hand that's on the mat, and then you can twist yourself like the tightening of the water faucet to really seal it. There's another way that I was taught where you can actually grab and then you bring your chest onto the back of their tricep. But I want to explain something. In either case, you're having to find a way because the lock itself is usually not enough. You have to either bring the weight on top of the back of the arm to finish it off. Or you have to simply, again, you have to close the window by moving your body around. To not have either of those and to merely use your back and arms and lats to pull that into position standing.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Dude, that is fucking Hercules level strong. I don't think I've ever actually seen someone go out from that unless they were like hurt or cut or looking for a way out. Which Lemos was not under any of those circumstances in any of things. To be that strong is such an ace in the hole especially bc when you're not in berserker mode you're applying it in a very direct and specific and obviously she's used this in the gym that wasn't the first time she's done this dude i just cannot explain to you what an advantage that is that is stupid levels of strength look i have two intelligent things to say one let's not forget another ufc slam which was in an exhibition fight
Starting point is 00:12:45 when Jessica Ricocci took Roxanne Mataferi down on the Ultimate Fighter Tate vs. Rousey season. Fair enough. With a slam and then a couple punches on top. The second thing is, you know, I tried to be cool and call Andrade the female John Lineker last episode, and it's okay. Is she a female Wondelay Silva? And we just haven't woke to this, Luke? I mean, we're putting together a former champion, an absolute badass,
Starting point is 00:13:13 wins across so many different divisions and different eras of the sport, to be honest with you, and she's still youngish, and she's still doing this to ranked contenders. No, she's not out of this title picture. Yes, she may be as dangerous as ever now that she's adding these new wrinkles. She's always going to get lit up by good strikers, Luke. But if you don't get her out of there, she may do the same to you. So as much as I said, look, I want to see what level is Amanda Lemos at in this fight.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Is she ready for primetime? We never really found that out, Luke, because Andrade can still do ridiculously, as you would say, Herculean strength efforts exactly like this. Yeah, I think that's right. And you're asking, like, what's the best comparison? It's weird. It's like you could compare her to Lineker, but that wouldn't quite tell the story. It's almost like she's a mix between Lineker and Lesnar, you know, to be that. I mean, if you go back for an example, look at the head and arm triangle, speaking of which, that Lesnar put on Shane Carwin.
Starting point is 00:14:11 It was not super technical at all. His elbow was super high in the air. He he-manned that shit. But still, they were on the ground. He had the advantage there. This force of nature that is so clearly stronger and more you know lesnar didn't like getting hit as much she has much more composure so it's it's a weird mix it's a combination of the two that's why she's so formidable you couldn't find all of the flaws
Starting point is 00:14:35 in her game dude they're not that they're not that hidden it's just that what do they what do they mean what does it mean that she takes a bunch of punches for the most part fuck all you know what i mean what does it mean that her takedown percentage is not very high at first not not that it doesn't mean shit at least not that much relative to somebody who's not a championship level fighter if you are not on a championship level fighter against her you're gonna have a bad day she is so dynamic and unique as a force you really really if you're gonna fight her you really have to have dynamic takedowns or you have to have a stick and move game that's next level and rose and and jj had those when they fought her at least the first
Starting point is 00:15:18 time for uh it's the second time for rose second enough enough anyway. But short of that, dude, who's going to match her physically at 115 pounds? They can't match her physically at 135. Shevchenko obviously was a bit of a different scenario, but aside from that, dude, nobody has an answer for this in that division, that specific kind of threat. Agreed. Maybe she's the female Dan Hendo for all I know, but you did mention one of my favorite fights of all time.
Starting point is 00:15:43 I got the poster up here from 116, Lesnar versus Carwin. Luke, was that the most combined testosterone level between two fighters in a title fight in UFC history, probably? Probably, probably. Those two were probably up there. Yeah, they were. Thank you to Josh Rosenthal, though, for, you know, for... Not stopping in the first?
Starting point is 00:16:07 Yeah, and for enduring that prison sentence for something that is now legalized. You know, Luke, both of the things, right? Yeah, I reached out to him to talk about that. I'm sure everyone and their brother has. He doesn't want to talk about it, which is unfortunate. I'd love to get him on our new interview series that has yet to launch, Luke. Yes, I would too, now that you're putting the cat out of the bag there. BC. And we can tell him, we don't even need cameras dude we just need your supply bro okay you know what i'm saying just come through uh bc who should she fight next you have
Starting point is 00:16:36 zhong wiley at one she's in need of a win sparza is going to be fighting rose so that's out then you got rodriguez dern and Shaonan in the top five. Something in there? I have two ideas. One is fight Marina Rodriguez directly as a labeled number one contender bout to fight the winner of this title bout, unless, let's say, Esparza wins and you need some type of immediate trilogy. Or, Luke, and this is less likely but would be spectacular,
Starting point is 00:17:09 fight the winner of Young Jay check versus way Lee part two because it would be a rematch for her against both of those and whoever gets the win in that surefire has to be an absolute war rematch between those two former champions is you know if they get that win and then they beat Andrade yeah they're they're ready for another title shot I think either way luke i was wrong she has a a a short path back to the top this finish was a monster reminder of what she still has and i wouldn't accept anything but those two unless you're unless they give her dern straight up i mean that's also i guess in the conversation as well but my point is her next fight might have to be labeled as, you win this, you're back in the title shot. Is Dern, I should say, is Andrade like the worst matchup for Dern?
Starting point is 00:17:54 Because I could see a case, certainly, where Dern could jump on a submission and get her. But let's say she doesn't get her, and now she's underneath, or Andrade can pick her up and slam her or, you know, ground and pound on top. Size those two up for me. What would you, you would favor Andrade over Dern, right? Or no, I don't know. I don't know what the betting, uh, well, yeah, you would, you would, I mean, look, this performance
Starting point is 00:18:19 showed her striking would be a monster edge against what Mackenzie Dern has shown. But what I would love about that matchup is, you know, no one's taking Jessica Andrade down at will, especially not this new sort of, I mean, her strength in her lower body is just ridiculous, Luke. So you would love to see her try to work that takedown defense against Mackenzie. And I think, you know, Mackenzie Dern's one of the bigger, stronger 115-pound fighters we've seen in the history of this division. And she'd be going up against possibly the strongest one. So, yeah, Luke, there's a lot I love about that matchup,
Starting point is 00:18:50 even if Andrade was the slight betting favorite. I think if you're Team Dern, you see there's a map to victory. I mean, look, that's the thing, Luke. If you have a specific set of skills, not trying to make a taken reference here. What's that guy's name, Luke? Liam Neeson. Liam Neeson, yeah. Oh, good pull there, Luke.
Starting point is 00:19:08 Huge boxing fan, that guy. But, you know, if you can execute your skills near perfectly, in theory you can beat Jessica Andrade, but you've got to walk through hell to do that. I would like to see Dern in that type of fire, but I think I would like to see her against Marina Rodriguez even more, Luke. So maybe that ends up being the most likely. Yeah, either of those I'd be okay with.
Starting point is 00:19:35 I like the Rodriguez fight. I like the Dern fight for different reasons, very different opponents, different kinds of fights, but either one providing a good test, actually in either direction. Can you imagine if hodriguez or dern beat andrade you'd be like okay dude title like that's the number one contenders fight basically basically um so either way you could have a ton of fun with those but i was super impressed man i did not think she was going to go in there and just and dude to get the first kind
Starting point is 00:19:59 of submission in ufc history when were how many events deep now overall that is dude I'm just that that should tell you how difficult it is to do what she's doing you remember you have to create the smallest window possible and a lot of times you have to do it in a way that's not mechanically advantage advantageous without the help of gravity she just did it with pure fucking strength I mean that is I just can't explain to you how strong that is. So incredibly powerful as a person. She's a boa constrictor in the body of John Lineker. It's wild. It is.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Luke, do you think Ioana would fight again if she lost to Wei Li? I'm trying to figure out the future of this title picture. So let's say Ioana comes back, fights Zhong Wai Li, and loses again. Does she fight again? I don't think so. Not against someone like this, no. Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 00:20:53 I mean, what would be, no. But if she wins, that's a different story. If she comes back and she beats Zhong Wai Li out of all this time. Oh, she's getting a title. I think you give her a title shot. Look at that name. Look, if you're the UFC, there would be, in my opinion, no harm done in giving Rose Ioana
Starting point is 00:21:08 a third fight if Ioana bounces back and defeats... I mean, that'd be a monster win at this point of Ioana's career to beat Weili. That would be huge. It would be, yeah, no doubt about it. That would be huge.
Starting point is 00:21:19 But, I mean, that's such a huge if. Like, who the hell knows what we're going to get. I thought she won the first time. It was super close, but she's been off. if. Like, who the hell knows what we're going to get. I thought she won the first time. It was super close. But she's been off since the pandemic, basically. I mean, was that the same card as Jon Jones versus Dominic Reyes? I thought it was the same card as Adesanya versus Romero.
Starting point is 00:21:39 But I could be wrong. I think that's right. I was there. But right around that time. Yeah, just pre-pandemic and then here all this time later she hasn't fought so i guess we'll have to see uh all right we move on to now topic number two which of course we stay with the ufc so here's how i'm going to ask this card rather than just going through a big thing of these i'm going to list you the names who had
Starting point is 00:21:57 i thought really big and cool wins but maybe you can size them up for me. Macy Barber, Charles Jordan, Claudio Pueyes. Who was the most impressive on Saturday? Give me the one of the three. It's a close conversation here. You can go either way, and I love the commitment, Luke. Your fucking commitment to pronouncing Puey-los. I mean, successfully. Dude, they were saying shit like poilos i'm like i mean you were assaulting these announcers over text on twitter i mean you were just like assaulting assaulting is a strong word you're like i'm in
Starting point is 00:22:38 fact i'm gonna go take spanish classes just to prove these motherfuckers wrong that's the that's the spirit you brought to that but look the answer is macy barber and the reason luke is because that split decision win she had just had was it against manda maverick yeah against miranda maverick it wasn't convincing enough for me and she was on a slide that that really seemed to come out of nowhere beginning with that upset loss to roxanne moda furry and to see her not just stop the bleeding although again she's coming off a win a disputed one but look she returned to exactly who she was in my opinion before that slide started the next level aggression the no matter what i'm going to get my strikes off and my strikes are going to be violent look the difference in this fight and montana Montana De La Rosa is not a completely well-rounded fighter,
Starting point is 00:23:26 as you saw in her striking, but she's durable, she's big, her ground game is excellent. The difference in this fight was every time they were in that standing clinch, which was seemingly three-quarters of this fight, Barber was able to separate and land vicious shots, Luke. I mean, she was able to land absolute hammers. That's the Macy Barber of old, the person who fights angry, the person who seems to have a gas tank that won't quit.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Somewhere along the road, Luke, she lost some of who she was. The loss is compounded. Maybe the doubt and fear kicked in. But whatever she has needed to add in the interim to get back to that, she added it. This is a great win against a good fighter. Not a world beater in Montana, but a good win in terms of the stakes, but a
Starting point is 00:24:08 great win in terms of the performance and the idea that we all know. It's a shallow division, 125. It's a short path to the title. And if she keeps looking like this, Luke, it won't be long until she opens that door and Shevchenko's standing there. Just out of, you know, in some cases out of necessity because there's not
Starting point is 00:24:24 much else until, what's her name again? Tatiana Suarez comes back. But Luke, she's back. And I don't sit here as some Macy Barber super fan, but I sit here with respect and tell you she's back, Luke. Yeah, I thought this was this is not going to be my answer for the whole question. But in terms of what Barber showed, i do agree that this was a pretty important fight for her because she lost to moda ferry and then she lost to grass so when she was like 21 years old or 22 years old whatever it was like for her birthday but pretty pretty young and pretty early in the in the going and then i wasn't sure her development was going in the right direction because you know you get we've talked about it before some people can get to the ufc at
Starting point is 00:25:01 21 years old and they can develop fully and it's no big deal they're pretty rare in number but it is possible still it's not going to be easy for a lot of fighters so I was like a little bit concerned and you mentioned that there was time off part of that was also injury related she had to get I think her hand or her wrist surgery um uh taken care of so there was a problem there so against Miranda Maverick she had a good showing but I thought that she had lost that contest and it was very, very close. Here against De La Rosa, this was the first time I think since the loss to Grasso. No, in one of the rounds for a complete performance. This is the first time since the loss to Grasso where I thought she not only had more skills and more departments than her opponent, but dude, she took charge of the fight. That was to me the big difference. De La Rosa was kind of
Starting point is 00:25:43 waiting around somewhat now i agree with you she did have better ground skills for the most part at least better better pure jujitsu let's say than barbara and at times you saw a little bit of that for sure but what really set off the difference here was there was just a certain level of intentionality game planning and execution fearless, fearless execution, thoughtful execution, thoughtful, but basically fearless. Like this is the job that has to get done in order for me to win. And I'm simply going to like a pile, like a, like a power drill. I'm going to just shoot right through and make it happen. And she did. And that to me was really impressive to have a
Starting point is 00:26:17 very disciplined, um, approach to the game, to fight with intentionality, to fight with clear strategy, and then to show the well-roundedness. And the other part you're talking about too you know she used to have a little bit of meanness like you watch your contender series fight that kind of a thing this was really the first time i think in a while where we got a better glimpse of that fight went the full distance but on those clinch breaks she was showing a lot of good work so i agree this was a very this all the names i mentioned had a really nice win luke here's the best compliment i can give her and don't take this the wrong way she fights like she had a really bad win. Luke, here's the best compliment I can give her, and don't take this the wrong way. She fights like she had a really bad childhood.
Starting point is 00:26:48 I don't know if she did, Luke, but she's fighting like that again, okay? Yes, I know what you mean. It is a terrible thing to consider, but it is the reality. A lot of times these guys come from, or ladies, come from broken homes. I have no idea, but she's back to fighting like that, Luke, and that's what gets you ahead in this game,
Starting point is 00:27:03 especially in a division that's not that deep, Luke. Right, but for me, I'm going to go with the Peruvian Prince. Now, one note on Guida BC as Mike Bond, who is just, I mean, I was going to call him the Bill Cosby of the skies, but that's not fair.
Starting point is 00:27:19 Oh, no, come on. Don't do that, Luke. Come on. No, no, it's just not fair at all. It's not fair at all. But I'll just say this. Mike Bonham, MMA Junkie, had a good point. I mean, W. Kamau Bell did DM me asking for his contact info, Luke. That's all I can tell you. He's like, I got a documentary idea about airplanes, Mike. You got any? Yeah. But the point I want to make about Mike is he raised a point on Twitter that was quite correct,
Starting point is 00:27:42 which was this was the last fight on Guida's UFC contract. So he fought it out. And it wasn't like he got super beat up or something, but he got finished very, very quickly. In fact, the time, according to the notes here, he lost via knee bar at three minutes and one second. Third knee bar in a row for Claudio Pueyas. Dude, unbelievable the stuff that this guy has shown.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Three knee bars he has on his record overall, which is fantastic. And dude, he also took charge of this fight, never giving, even though Guida was able to reverse position a couple times. And here was a guy who showed jujitsu attacking all the time. And then BC, he not only gets this fantastic arm bar from knee shield or Z guard, he whips into it scores it it was i mean he had guida dead two rights on this the the the ankle of guida was by his ear for crying out loud then he gets on the mic yeah then he gets on the mic and he calls for a commentary job he calls for twitter give me that verification badge i thought somebody who did the most to raise their profile in stock would be him. What'd you think about that? Absolutely. He fights with that same spirit
Starting point is 00:28:50 of the guy that, you know, your girlfriend tells you not to be nervous about when you send her off to college, Luke, in her dorms. But he's creeping up on that door, sitting in the room, you know, like talking about his childhood endearingly. And then he finishes. He gets the finish, Luke. He did that in this fight. That's five in a row since losing his ufc debut you see the sublime uh ability to put guida in peril seemingly out of nowhere you know obviously it's a calculated setup but it just sort of happens to the to the uninitiated eye like my own and you're just like damn um in great shape good looking kid great nickname el nino, he's coming the hell on. I just can't figure out.
Starting point is 00:29:26 No, I think he's the Prince of Peru now. I just can't figure out how to pronounce his name because I look at that, I see Puelas. I'm wrong? So there's, yeah, basically it's P-U-E would be like a P-W-E to our ears and eyes. So it's Pue. And then the double L is a Y.
Starting point is 00:29:42 So yes, Pueyes. Or you can do how my wife says it, which they say double L like a Y like a J, so Pueyes, either way. Daddy janky, got it, yes, yes. Or she says, yeah, that's why she says daddy janky, because they treat double L's and Y's the same where she's from, so there you go. But anyway, yes, unbelievable performance by him. And we should also note for Jordan, it's not that his performance wasn't great.
Starting point is 00:30:06 It was fantastic. In fact, he got hit once and then came back, fired that, I think it was a left straight, perfectly down the middle, drops Venata, and then jumps on the guillotine. And this is what was so clear. This is why you ranked Barber ahead. This is why I didn't pick Jordan as having the best performance because I just didn't understand what Lando Venata was doing that one time. Jordan goes for the guillotine and then on the guillotine, you see Venata peel it away.
Starting point is 00:30:36 He's good. Still tries to sit up in the half guard to reverse position and then just re-exposes his neck and doesn't fight the hands. Jordan keeps it with one and then he did fight itoses his neck and doesn't fight the hands Jordan keeps it with one and then he did fight it with a hell high elbow on the other so it wasn't a one-arm guillotine but it was weird that he fought it off he hand fought correctly and then just let it go Jordan went right back to it and got it so like for that reason it's not like he didn't do his job he did his job times a thousand it's just that there was such a real obvious error on the part of his
Starting point is 00:31:04 opponent that I had to give the other people a bit higher of a of a ranking here's what i'll say about air jordan and uh and you were right when you told me offline that you know this card sucked on paper but boy did it develop fun moments storylines things worth talking about after the fact even if it was buried on this loaded combat weekend jordan had the hardest fight of these three he He had the most, in my opinion, the most dangerous opposition. Because, look, Venata came in there. I tweeted it with the damn eye of the tiger. He came in there as a veteran at 30 who'd been alternating wins and losses,
Starting point is 00:31:33 who was like, fuck it, now I'm figuring out how to do this. I've been an action fighter. I've done some great things. Now I'm going to figure out how to absolutely destroy people. And, Luke, he came in with that haircut, facial hair, you know, movie villain combination, like he's walking on the set of Breaking Bad or something Luke he came in there to win and dude that's a to for Jordan to do that against that focused and dangerous of an opponent very very impressive yes I would agree with that I think he definitely had the toughest assignment
Starting point is 00:32:01 just the way that the fight worked out Jordan did everything he was supposed to but some of it was a little bit served up but and look you know you clown on me a lot you know what I'm saying and shout out to people like uh Julius Angliscus my Lithuanian brethren brethren or I'm on to Stanniosis who just won a piece of the welterweight title in boxing first Lithuanian but Luke don't you fucking forget for a second i'm french canadian on the other 50 and so is charles jordan and you saw that same spirit luke okay uh i will cut you if you test me that's the thing luke at the end of the day you know jokes and fun and games until i get that choking duly noted all right let's move on to topic number three if we can, BC. This was the biggest combat sports event of the weekend by a million miles. You had an instant reaction on Saturday immediately after the fights,
Starting point is 00:32:55 which were afternoon time for us here on the East Coast in the United States. But Tyson Fury scored a devastating one-punch uppercut knockout over Dillian White in the sixth round in front of which by the way were there 94 000 people espn would never mention anything i couldn't tell in any event in front of a monster uk crowd bc let's start here many things impressive about this win what was the most impressive thing uh the recommitment of fury in two areas one in terms of fitness because let's be honest when he came back from 18 months to fight Wilder the third time, with really not much to gain since it was a court-mandated contractual kick-in for Wilder to make that third fight happen,
Starting point is 00:33:36 we saw Fury a little bit out of shape. We saw him have to get up off the canvas twice. We saw him have to just gut out a legendary win. This was different, Luke. This was 12-week training camp, as they talked about in the broadcast. This was an absolute what's-the-best version of Fury we can find at age 33 physically. It was this guy. Now, equally, what's as equally impressive, the commitment to becoming a power puncher under Sugarhill Stewart.
Starting point is 00:34:01 That soliloquy he gave after the fight of just love. And I don't know. I don't even remember when it happened, Luke, but I don't think I've ever seen Javon Sugarhill Stewart with a shirt on anymore. He's always shirtless around Tyson Fury. Um, Luke, they have, he has successfully taken the blueprint, which started with Fury's uncle, Peter, you know, continued to Ben Davidson of, of this freak of nature size guy who fights like a middleweight in terms of his speed. He switches stances. He does all that stuff. But now a couple fights into this Kronk style, Luke, he's a legitimate power puncher. Legitimate.
Starting point is 00:34:35 And, you know, I never would have guessed that Tyson Fury, despite that size, that weight, the reach, would become a legitimate one-punch threat. This uppercut showed you, Luke, and this is why I think we all poo-poo the talk of retirement. He's better than he's ever been right now. And there's a lot of revisionists, I told you so, BC, White's a bum, he's always been a bum. Like, no, no, he hasn't always been a bum. He went 12-1 over his last 13. Okay, but you would agree he did not have a strong performance. He did not fight well in this contest.
Starting point is 00:35:08 He had an awful performance. But, guys, it's because Fury closed all the lanes. And the reason why I predicted it would be the opposite, including maybe Fury getting a ball at the canvas, is because you saw Tyson Fury last fall who wasn't the very best version of him. And with all of that retirement talk you did have to sort of say to yourself are we seeing Fury play out the hits you know down the stretch could he come into this fight overconfident you know no he didn't Luke he
Starting point is 00:35:35 crossed all the t's out of the eyes anything White tried he got absolutely shoved in his face like I like I mentioned in that 45 minute long rant I did on the post show that people can watch on YouTube.com slash Morning Combat. I mean, when White tried to be dirty, Tyson was dirtier. When White tried to close distance, Tyson relied on his quickness and his length, but then put that pepper with the salt, Luke. Now that he is committing to fight finishing blows, he is as dangerous as ever, Luke.
Starting point is 00:36:07 We are watching a special, a special fighter, a historic fighter, because the main theme I did in that post show was telling you this. I don't know exactly where we can rank Fury historically because unfortunately his resume is so thin because of all the times he's been out of the ring and not inside of it since becoming a big name. But ability-wise, mythical matchup-wise, Luke, he's a problem for every single heavyweight champion in the history of the sport. That's facts. That's just, that's math, right?
Starting point is 00:36:39 That's genetics, that's size, that's all that. You don't have people who can do it all like this. Where's the hole in his game? It used to be power punching. It's not a hole anymore, dude. He's got a chin. He's got everything, Luke. I mean, the hole in his game might be the unpredictability of his personality
Starting point is 00:36:54 and the fact that after beating Klitschko, he did go on a four-year bender. You know, we've been down that road, but, like, that's the biggest obstacle in him becoming a top five all-time heavyweight is him and Luke right now he's beating himself you know what I'm saying he's in control of himself so the only thing I sort of want to talk to you about is something I didn't even mention in the post show but Dillian White sure did today in his first interview boxingscene.com had a headline from it um White talking about the push it did happen luke i i regret not bringing it up i saw i saw it in real time didn't think much of it but now that white brought it up
Starting point is 00:37:32 because look the right uppercut that fury landed in round six that dropped white and dropped him hard again i think that finishes you know every heavyweight in the world but after landing that uppercut he did do the two-handed shove. And look, Fury will test the boundaries of what's legal, Luke. And especially if you try to be dirty to him, he'll be dirtier. I want to ask you, White says that shove was illegal. He should have been given more time to recover because of it. What do you say?
Starting point is 00:38:01 I think if you wanted, I mean, plus there was, you know, how about in the fourth round when Tyson Fury's brother is fucking throwing water on him when they're in the corner and the fight's still going on, like not in between rounds. That was weird. There was a headbutt that caused a cut over the, was it the right eye of Dillian White? I mean, there was a lot of that fight that was a little, you know, they had said that this referee was the best of their, of their, of the ones they had available, but had,
Starting point is 00:38:24 I think this was his first time doing a heavyweight title fight a main event i believe in any case i thought he did mostly a good job but that these two guys you needed someone who was going to be quick on the action there listen here's the thing does white have a case by the letter of the law that not everything was followed as it should have been, and therefore, in terms of due process, he might be owed something. I think if you really wanted to be highly technical about it and have this crazy fealty to the rules, yeah, maybe you could argue that. I don't think that's crazy.
Starting point is 00:38:58 But the problem is this, BC. Number one, as you indicated, that shot fucked him up. I think he probably would have been put out no matter what number two and this is part of the story dude he didn't do shit to tyson fury for six rounds for as long as that fight lasted he got some decent body shots in there here or there but a they weren't a whole lot of them and b usually fury had a response that was even better right after it and then more to the point that was all there was I don't know if he made a clean contact with a head punch through the entire fucking fight man so it's like dude did did the rules get uh ignored here a little bit in this
Starting point is 00:39:36 this uh Fury no pun intended that happened post-fight with all this fervor all this craziness yeah maybe so but is there any appetite for a second fight? Why? Tyson Fury is immeasurably better than Dillian White. Yeah, and I watched the replay a couple more times after Reed and White saying that, and he might be true that he might not have gone down if not for that push,
Starting point is 00:39:59 but Luke, he looked out on his feet in that split second there. So even if he doesn't go down, you got to believe Fury is going to finish him. And again, like I expected Fury to win. I didn't expect Fury to essentially shut down every single thing White had. It was disappointing in that sense from knowing how good Dillian White is. But, you know, it's not like there's a lot of six foot nine heavyweights with quick hands and a great chin that you can spar against and prepare for, Luke. He got in there and he looked very limited in the end because, Luke, his style is so predicated upon getting inside.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Statistically, CompuBox-wise, he's the second busiest heavyweight in the game today. And when that was closed, he was done. He was absolutely done. And credit to Tyson Fury. So, Luke, you heard my excitement.yson fury so luke um you heard my excitement anyone that watched my post show heard my excitement do you also agree even with white's flat performance that this might be fury at 33 which is so so damn young at heavyweight by the way like this might be the the the best most dangerous version of him we've ever seen i couldn't believe how good
Starting point is 00:41:05 dude that was i'm not gonna say easy for him but that was not that hard for him uh and there's a couple things that folks just lost sight of does any would anyone pay attention like this is why the uppercut landed everyone talks about how he measured him and then he waited for him to come in so the timing of it was really good but the other part was that anyone noticed the guard that dillian white was using he was using the joe uh frazier cross guard where he brings his hands up like this like that but the uppercut wouldn't work so what you saw essentially fury do was invest in these in these linear punches excuse me invest in these wide punches that would force the guard to go from here to here creating a lane up
Starting point is 00:41:45 the middle and then he fired it on top of the distance measuring and then you know he was expecting the pressure by the way there was much more pressure late because i think white was starting to get frustrated because he couldn't get on the inside yeah uh fury was tying him up i mean there was all these things that fury does from changing the guard that the opponent is using to changing their tactics remember they came out in opposite stances and then switched to the other side in all these games. I don't know what any of... Maybe Usyk.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Maybe Usyk has the boxing IQ to handle someone like Fury. But then you go to the size and the other parts that I just don't know. I don't think any of these heavyweights can beat him. We don't know that until we can see them fight it out. But there are so many layers to what Tyson Fury does, including BC to having a nearly five minute walkout in 50 degree weather where Dillian White just has to sit there and chill as he gets called a big dosser by some announcer. And then there's this karaoke party that Tyson Fury has. I mean,
Starting point is 00:42:41 there's just the level of involvement from the strategy to the execution to everything else that he comes up with is so next level. These guys are not playing on the same wavelength. Not even a little bit. Look, White had been stopped twice in the past. 2015 against Anthony Joshua. Just about two, three years ago against Alexander Povetkin. And both came via an uppercut. So you have to look at how well they studied White,
Starting point is 00:43:07 the 12-week training camp that we talked about, which can be double what can happen for most fighters in a big fight, although sometimes you'll see eight-week camps. They landed that same shot. It was perfect. And, Luke, if you really want to break down the technique, it was off the jab, but Fury paused after the jab to allow White to begin moving in.
Starting point is 00:43:26 And that's why the uppercut was so perfect in the timing of it. Where, yeah, we want to and we need to see him against the winner of AJ Usyk too. AJ's always going to be a 6'6 and a puncher, so it's always going to be worth watching. And despite Fury being favored, but I do agree with that usic is the is the interesting matchup that that long term separate from the nganu talk separate from anything else usic is the potential matchup if he gets by joshua again that at the very least we can say we've never seen fury tangle with that right we've seen him tangle with a blown up cruiserweight and steve cunningham before who gave fury trouble cunningham fact, Cunningham dropped him in 2013 in Madison Square Garden in the theater.
Starting point is 00:44:08 But I think that's going to be something I look forward to. Don't you agree it's a different Fury than the one that Steve Cunningham fought? Oh, God, absolutely. That's a fat Fury back then. That's a Fury who I was working for ESPN at the time, and we had a camera crew there, and as soon as he finished his final interview at that fight in the theater at Massacre Garden,
Starting point is 00:44:28 he walked across to that Irish pub across the street and spent the rest of the day there, Luke. I mean, that is a different Tyson Fury in a lot of ways. But, you know, commit. I mean, look, full circle back to the first question you asked me in my answer. The commitment is at a level that it's not been in a long-ass time, Luke. And it's, you know, it's funny. I did a couple of radio hits. I'm sure you might've done too ahead of this fight. I was on with Boise, Idaho, Luke. And they're like, you know, Fury looks so fat. How's he going to do it? I'm like, no, actually he's in better shape than normal.
Starting point is 00:44:58 It's we, you just have to get used to the fact that that's who he is. He's already a unique freak of nature. And even with the giant belly, Luke, we've never seen anything like him before. And if he stays this dialed in, and if he commits to the power punching this time, that might end up being the difference if he ends up facing Usyk for the Undisputed Championship. His ability to finish guys and do it from distance too, Luke. Damn. I mean, look, I've always been an admirer of Tyson Fury. I thought he was shit up until the Klitschko fight, and I mean that. Look, I thought he was shit.
Starting point is 00:45:36 You know, probably the last time Tyson Fury's ever thrown an uppercut, did you ever see that highlight of early in his career? He went to throw an uppercut, and he missed, and he punched himself in the face. Like, that's early Tyson Fury. Fury you know he'd have a great performance then he'd be fat for three fights this guy was always been all over the map but when he dials in Luke damn damn brother yeah let's talk about let's talk about his power a little bit because everyone's like oh he's got huge power now well okay I don't placement placement right so here's here's...
Starting point is 00:46:05 He has... Do you remember when we would be like, oh, man, Conor's got that left-hand power in MMA, and then he went over to boxing, and it didn't quite translate as well. There was a lot of sort of talk about what is the source of his power, and a lot of it is, yes, he has...
Starting point is 00:46:19 He was a big, strong 155-er at this point anyway, but he was a big, strong 145-er for a lot of it. But the other part was just the accuracy of or for a lot of it but the other part was just the accuracy of it the timing of it the placement of it right there was just so many other parts where he would when he would finally fire it had some heft to it but these other factors about placement and timing and the guys not seeing it coming all of it added up to boom he has a sniper effect that's more what i would say is happening here we talked about it on friday the one thing i think that really held up from our friday analysis because a lot of it was probably pretty wrong but the part that did hold up was that like yes the extra weight and
Starting point is 00:46:52 this new style although he was on the back foot here because white was pressing into him but the new style generally allows him to throw much more significant force but the real difference is there's a added force and b white was walking into that punch. He did not see it coming. And that's what really takes it over to the next level. But the reason why he walked into it and didn't see it coming is because Tyson Fury sets traps and it has a boxing IQ that is just beyond what any of his competitors up to this present moment anyway, have been able to show. So I want to be clear about that. The power is real, but it's not the full story of the knockout. It's not.
Starting point is 00:47:29 No, but just the fact that he's figured out how to make the best of his body. And look, I mean, he's 6'9", too freaking what? 70, 60, whatever he was to this fight? 265 to 70, yeah. I mean, dude, if he's going to stand at range, especially with that right hand and connect with something that he commits to, you've got a chance of getting knocked out. You've got a chance of getting knocked the hell
Starting point is 00:47:50 out. And by the way, I looked at White's comments again. The main thing he focused on, he says he was buzzed by the uppercut, but he wasn't knocked out until he was pushed and he hit the back of his head on the canvas. But Luke, if you watch those replays, he never actually hit the back of his head on the canvas and his eyes were out of it as he fell.
Starting point is 00:48:06 So I pull that out of the equation. I'm also being told by J-Bone on Twitter, Luke, that we should have considered Matt Hughes slamming himself unconscious as part of the UFC slam list. Is that true? Yes, but he woke up and they didn't count it. So you can't. So, hey, J-Bone, get wrecked right there. But, Luke, I mean, what a boon to the heavyweight division to have a star like this. You know, he did reveal in the post-fight interview that all this talk about retirement did start ahead of the third Wilder fight when he promised his wife, Paris, that he would step aside.
Starting point is 00:48:39 But then broke that promise for the chance to come back to the U.K. And we know that with that win bonus, $4.1 million, that the WBC somehow worked into the contract. You know, he made upwards of 30-something million for this. Now I'm being told that both his wife, Paris Hilton, and his trainer, Sugar Hill Stewart, said after the fight that... Paris Hilton's his wife? Did I say Paris Hilton again? Did I do that? Yes.
Starting point is 00:49:01 I think Joe Test did that too. Paris Fury, they are both saying now that they expect Tyson to wait until he becomes the Undisputed Champion and then retire. And Luke, again, even with his mental unpredictability, there ain't no way he's letting somebody else hold up all four belts. There's just not any way. It's just not happening, Luke. You know, you want to be the heavyweight record.
Starting point is 00:49:23 Before we go to the next question, though, let me ask you. Before we go to the next question though let me let me ask you before we go to the next question let me ask you about this we have to talk about it this Tyson Fury for the reasons I mentioned before too by the way about making white weight does he have the best walkouts in boxing I think it's tied with Anthony Joshua and look I think oh I think it's better than Joshua Joshua. And Luke, I think... Oh, I think it's better than Joshua. Joshua's are big. Canelo's are big. Joshua's are Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Joshua comes out with those giant lit up AJ letters and then he lights them on fire with a flamethrower.
Starting point is 00:49:54 Yeah, but he doesn't have that same fucking verve, man. Come on. Luke, I said this in the post show. I think Fury was getting a little jealous because he was out of boxing when Anthony Joshua became a star, and then Fury was fighting in America upon his comeback. I think he was a little jealous at
Starting point is 00:50:12 watching Fury do 80 and 90K in these stadiums and come out like a rock star. I think that's why this fight was super important to him. You can't sit here and tell me that Fury's are considerably better. Also, Luke, people will forget this because the fight... They're better considerably better. Also, Luke, people will forget this because the fight they're, they're, they're better for me, but go ahead.
Starting point is 00:50:28 People will forget this because the fight suck the damn horn. But I don't know if you remember in 2011, we thought we had a heavyweight unification title fight between Vladimir Klitschko and David Hay that was going to put that shitty era of bad heavyweight run behind us. Unfortunately, David Hay with the injured toe didn't try to fight and it was a shitty fight the ring entrances for that they were in germany were next fucking level you had like actors sitting on like a park bench reading a newspaper and the newspaper came alive like luke that was something we've never seen before but yeah come on fury and aj are in
Starting point is 00:51:02 the same sentence here don't don't mess with that luke they're way better aj to me feels like a king who walks out and expects reception tyson fury to me feels like a guy who walks out and wants to join the karaoke party it just doesn't feel the same to me at all but i'll say that the grandiosity of both is cannot be ignored all right before we go to the next topic last one on this part of the equation. This is something that occurred to me, but styles make fights, and so you don't want to do MMA or boxing math, which is to say,
Starting point is 00:51:33 maybe can we have some renewed respect for what Deontay Wilder was able to do with a limited skill set against Tyson Fury? I understand that you could get a result where White could box Wilder and beat him up and then you would say well it doesn't mean a whole lot but I don't know BC after what not quite 36 rounds but 24 plus 28 rounds or so whatever it was 30 rounds ish of fighting Tyson Fury he had a lot more success than a lot of these other heavyweights who we herald as being better
Starting point is 00:52:01 than Deontay Wilder he had significantly more success than them what's the story with how you reevaluate what Wilder was able to do I agree with you and I even I might even get end up getting dead wrong later this week because when we were talking Friday previewing this fight and saying you know who do you think of the five best heavyweights right now I was sort of pushing Wilder back we don't know if he's going to come back you know but the reality is you know Wilder beat Luis Ortiz twice when Ortiz was still pretty damn dangerous and he beat everybody else not named Tyson Fury. Now, Wilder, because he was soft matched for most of it and then because he couldn't access the larger names, although DAZN did offer him a hundred million to fight Joshua twice and
Starting point is 00:52:40 he turned that down. But you get my point. We didn't get to see him against everybody but yeah Luke nobody has this type of success against Fury and he had it a couple times flawed as absolute shit but nobody especially that third fight nobody can take away the all-time great championship heart that Deontay Wilder brought look his reactions to defeats have been rough him blaming Tyson Fury for cheating 16 ways in his corner for drugging him that was rough but Luke we already recognize him as one of the greatest punchers in history and you just have to say that one skill he had was so freaking great that it was the one kryptonite that the greatest heavyweight of this era had to get himself up off the deck four separate times in three fights against. So, yes, let's put respect back on Deontay Wilder's name, who absolutely maxed himself out for a guy who came to boxing at age 19
Starting point is 00:53:32 and was still crude as shit after winning a championship, defending it a bunch of times, getting rocked by guys like Eric Molina that he shouldn't have been, but yet inevitably putting those guys away. Wilder's still, I think, Luke, a problem for anybody if he can come back with that same mindset he had in the third Fury fight. But I agree that I'm glad that you brought this up. We do need to look back and say, like, you know, hate him all you want for any reason. But Wilder's in there against anyone in history, too, because, again, Luke, it goes to the physics of it the physicality of it while they're six foot seven a great athlete even if he doesn't isn't known for technique or footwork or things like that but an explosive athlete and arguably the biggest puncher we've ever seen so yeah you're
Starting point is 00:54:16 damn right he he he for whatever his version of great was I think he got all of it Luke I'll just say this you know to knock down tyson fury four times is remarkable and again we knew a couple of those times especially the first one from the first fight fury getting up from that is borderline miraculous but the thing i would say is not just getting that result but getting that result with how limited his skill set is because dude when you watch him box you know you can say that wilder overperformed or you know performed well whatever you want to say but you can't make an argument that oh no his boxing actually is super high level it's roy jones-esque it's not it's that's not what it is so to have as limited a skill says as he has
Starting point is 00:54:54 although with absolutely monstrous power he maximized the shit out of that and went a lot further than a lot of critics thought he could go and a lot further than a lot of these other big talking heavyweights thought they could do against Tyson Fury Wilder had significantly more success than them and I think that's part of the story as well let me ask you this Luke if tomorrow the same version of Deontay Wilder that that was willing to risk it all against Fury in the third fight if he fights in succession D Dillian White, Anthony Joshua, and Alexander Usyk, in Andy Ruiz, right? Okay? Those four in a row, what's his record coming out of that?
Starting point is 00:55:32 Deontay Wilder. Yeah. How many wins in those four fights? I think he beats Ruiz. I think he beats Joshua. He does not beat Usyk. And then Dillian White? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:55:44 I don't know. That's a tougher one to call because White is a fucking bull as well. But he gets, at a bare minimum, I think he gets two of them. And Joshua's a much better boxer as well. I don't think he can stay away from Deontay's power for 12 rounds. I don't. I really don't. And that was the difference. Fury tried to dance around it, and it didn't really work.
Starting point is 00:56:03 Fury went after it. He went into the storm, and that's the difference. Fury tried to dance around it, and it didn't really work. Fury went after it. He went into the storm, and that's the difference. I don't think AJ has that gear or that durability, and I think that's what would make the difference between those two. Or that willingness. While AJ has spectacular knockouts when he gets people hurt, does he have the willingness to walk in there and risk it all? No, Luke.
Starting point is 00:56:20 I don't think so. He didn't even do that against Usyk. He tried to outbox Usyk, right? He did, and it didn't work. And Usyk was just a better boxer. This is what I mean. It's like Joshua is a formidable package of different boxing great parts, but the reality is the vulnerabilities that his contemporaries could take
Starting point is 00:56:40 advantage of, given their particular skills and what they're good at, it's too hard to ignore he doesn't have that chin or that and you look at there was second ruiz like compare the first and second wilder fury fights with the first and second ruiz fight in terms of the strategy you know joshua went i'm gonna stay the fuck away from this guy and fury goes i'm gonna back this motherfucker up big difference big difference all right bc point number four we'll stay with fury but we're gonna switch to something that is i hadn't even planned to really talk about this but then francis and ganu got in the ring with him tyson fury joked about his hog all kinds of
Starting point is 00:57:16 craziness went down he seemed to put a pause on their retirement he did not say exactly which way he was going to go bc but the question I would have for you is as follows. They did specifically hype up a potential bout with UFC heavyweight champion Francis Ngannou. Bob Arum, after the fact, saying, I don't know if we can make this done, but in theory, it should be quite easy to do. Is this, A, the right fight to make,
Starting point is 00:57:42 given the circumstances, and B, let's say it now, is this fight going to happen in 2022? Look, dude, before that post-fight interview, I would have said, you know, fun to talk about, but for a lot of different reasons, I just don't see it. Then suddenly they're in the ring together. Then he's like, hey, Frank, you know, if you got a big, you know, let us all search it right now. Let's find out how hard you got to work it.
Starting point is 00:58:04 So, look, suddenly it is a conversation. Should Tyson Fury want to be a part of this? I say no, Luke. You just made 30 something million. You know what I mean? Like you just in a very tough fight, but also a mandatory title defense. Stop sitting on your arrow plan points and get big savings. So you can be somewhere you actually want to be like on a beach.
Starting point is 00:58:27 Right now you can save up to 25% in Aeroplan points. When you book a trip to one of 180 plus Air Canada destinations worldwide. So stop sitting on your next trip and start saving on one. Don't miss out. Your chance to save in points ends February 23rd. Book at AirCanada.com. Conditions apply. Dude, Tyson, when that undisputed opportunity comes, let's say Usyk and Joshua fight this summer. I mean, Luke, in theory, we could be doing the Undisputed Championship fight in November or December.
Starting point is 00:59:01 I mean, in theory, you could be doing it this calendar year. Luke, if Anthony Joshua comes back and knocks out Usyk and we go right into a four belt undisputed champion, I mean, like you're printing money. You know what I'm saying? I made a joke, like let's find a cornfield in the UK where we can fit 300 people, 300,000 people into it. Let's shatter all the records because it's that big of a fight. I don't think Fury, as long as he doesn't get hurt or suffer some type of ridiculous loss, I don't think that's going to stop him from seeking the Undisputed Championship fight early next year. And I'm not here to say, hey, Fury, you can't go make this, in theory, easy money like Conor did in the midst of his prime, like anybody, right? You can't say that to him.
Starting point is 00:59:46 He's a boxer. He has control over his own brand. He went to WWE for the same reason, to make money, get exposure. He was one of the worst celebrity wrestlers we've ever seen, Luke, which is why every time he teases that he's going to come back, you're like, yeah. But my whole point is, Luke, I would wish that he wouldn't want to do this until after he was officially done chasing world titles and greatness in the ring. And now in that post-fight interview, they talked about mixed rules.
Starting point is 01:00:12 So, look, we've heard in the past that, you know, they said, OK, well, why don't we do four ounce gloves? Why don't we do something to try to even the stakes? If this was a pure boxing match, you know, I would want nothing to do with it. Could it still sell if it was a pure boxing match? Yeah, would want nothing to do with it it could it still sell if it was a pure boxing match yeah probably for the spectacle of it but i think if they do commit to making an actual mixed rules like what if what if fury actually agreed to these parts of it luke which is part of the bkfc slash triller versus sort of way of hybrid. I have an idea about that. I have an idea about that.
Starting point is 01:00:46 Well, let me tell you, what if you did four-ounce gloves, you allowed heavy clinching and dirty boxing, and you did it in a cage? I do, as much as, again, I don't want to see that right now because I want to see Fury fully capable and ready to face the winner of Joshua Usyk, too. But if it has to go that way and they can get everybody to say yes, I do admit, Luke, you've got a spectacle on your hands.
Starting point is 01:01:11 I mean, you've got something that people are going to turn into. Whether you think no matter what you do to the rules, Fury's still going to win that. And let's not forget, Fury is a fighting man, Luke. He comes from a legacy of bare-knuckle people. He is crazy enough to put on the 4-ounce gloves and go in there with Ngannou. You're damn right he is crazy enough. I kind of wish he wasn't, though, Luke. I don't get
Starting point is 01:01:31 how everybody, Brett, Ariel, on Twitter is like, yeah, man, this is going to be great. Is it? There's bad timing in my eyes. If it's a boxing match, it's a giant waste of time that makes a giant amount of money. Let's put it that way. If they end up having a a boxing match, it's a giant waste of time that makes a giant amount of money. Let's put it that way. If they end up having a regular boxing match between Tyson Fury and Francis Ngannou,
Starting point is 01:01:50 God bless Francis. He'll get the amount of money that he has long wanted, that he is owed. I take nothing from him. I'd be happy for him and his family. They'd be set up for generations on the amount of money that I think that they would make. And I mean that quite sincerely. That'd be a great thing to see. But in terms of like a fight, I don't't have I have less than zero interest in seeing any of
Starting point is 01:02:07 that because you know everyone needs to understand something it's not just that Fury is a good boxer dude and Francis has big power but a we don't know how Francis's power translate through the gloves and in sort of a boxing context and b you have to hit Tyson Fury he's pretty hard to hit pretty hard to hit clean anyway ask Dillian White about that so that doesn't make any sense to me i don't know if i agree that it has to be in the cage because that seems like a bridge too far but i'll say this bc you know watching what one championship i go back to it dude i go back to it watching the muay thai rules in a cage with the four ounce gloves it's fucking awesome it's great it's really really good they could put it in a ring they could put in a cage but I think if Tyson Fury was willing to put four ounce gloves on I gotta tell you that might be enough of a
Starting point is 01:02:52 wild card because Tyson would still be infinitely better at boxing but dude we just know for a fact you can say whatever you want about Francis's skill you go look what he did to Alistair Overeem in the four ounce gloves his power is simply not really incontestable it's historic it's historic that to me I gotta admit it still be spectacle as shit but I would want to see it my only point I would want to make beyond that BC is if Joshua does beat Usyk then Fury has to fight him I agree that that fight would be huge for the UK huge for the division huge for, huge for every player involved. But if Usyk goes in there and beats him again, fuck it, man. Let's throw the four-ounce gloves on these guys in a ring or a cage or whatever, and let's see what happens.
Starting point is 01:03:36 Because I don't, yes, Usyk versus Fury would be great as well to see. But at that point, if he's really willing to make a real hybrid rules match i honestly might be more interested in that version if josh is capable of getting a fight i have key questions about the viability of this i need to answer you to answer quickly what's the difference in money do you believe that fury could make against usic for all four belts in front of you know how many people they can fit in webley let's say they go up to 98 000 and this mixed rules fight at whatever las vegas raiders stadium there against what's the difference in in paycheck for fury in that in your eyes assuming we're not talking like taxes and shit like that
Starting point is 01:04:17 because i don't know how that would fit in but um no tax in vegas for them right on the income tax well i mean there could be taxes about what you make in the States. Plus, then you got to pay it in the UK, depending on your. I don't know the tax. I'm just saying, let's just talk about the check that gets cut. I mean, obviously, he's going to make a fuck ton either way. BC, I guess this is a little harder for me to say. Would what would be the guaranteed amount for both boxers, Fury and Joshua, if they fought at Wembley in front of 100K, something like that? What would be the guaranteed amount for both boxers, Fury and Joshua, if they fought at Wembley in front of 100K, something like that?
Starting point is 01:04:48 What would be the guaranteed purse for both? Oh, for Fury and Joshua, this is where I don't really have an answer because the demand, you know, the key. People always say, you know, why in the U.S.? Look, we had a few fights at Jerry World. We just had Ugas Spence. You know, we've had Canelo there a few times. Pacquiao when it first opened.
Starting point is 01:05:08 But you see more often than not the big fights in the States go to Vegas. Why? Because they can charge exorbitant amount for the tickets to the high rollers, to the casinos, to whatever. In the UK, not only are the pay-per-views priced much more reasonably, the tickets are as well. This would be that type of fight where you take the Vegas model and you bring it to the stadium with 100,000 people. So if it's Joshua versus Fury, I'd have to believe like not Mayweather Pacquiao money, but not that far off, Luke. I would really have to believe that. So what's the guarantee? Could the guarantee be, you know, 60 million? I don't know. Like, I mean, there's a lot of freaking money there. My question, I guess, was if it ends up being Usyk, which means you wouldn't get as much money as Joshua if you're Fury, and you would justify wanting to do Ngannou first if that's the case, how much could he actually make against Ngannou?
Starting point is 01:05:55 How many pay-per-view buys with Foran's gloves in a crossover spectacle, considering Floyd versus Conor did 2.4 million Luke, pay-per-view buys, like a ridiculous amount. How much could this one do to where you, if you're a Tyson Fury guy and you're saying, dude you're one step away from being the four belt undisputed champion. If you ever wanted to retire unbeaten, the time would be after
Starting point is 01:06:18 that. Why are you risking something here against Ngannou? So like, I guess the hedge part of that question, Luke is if Fury lost to Ngannou so like I guess the hedge part of that question Luke is if Fury lost to Ngannou in a mixed rules four ounce fight how much would that damage his image and what he could make going back into the boxing ring to fight for the for all the heavyweight belts there's a lot on the table here Luke yeah there's a lot of risk I'll say this whatever Fury versus Joshua might do Fury versus Nganou would be,
Starting point is 01:06:46 I mean, those two, it's hard to say that one would be significantly bigger than the other one, although it's hard to say as well. I don't really know. But I'll say this comfortably. Whatever Fury would make fighting Usyk, fighting Nganou in, let's say, the Death Star over there in Vegas would be 2 or 3x what he would make fighting Usyk. 2 or 3x. Wow. I fighting Usyk. 2 or 3x.
Starting point is 01:07:05 Wow. I think that's pretty fair to say. And so... So you have a belief that this is a potential 2 million buy pay-per-view with Ngannou and Field. Because we don't have Floyd here. Conor's not coming through that door, Luke. Well, you said Floyd versus Conor was what,
Starting point is 01:07:20 2 and something? No, it was nearly 5 million pay-per-view. It was 4+. I'm sorry. I'm dead wrong. Dead wrong me right now. You're right. It was just short of the Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather pay-per-view. Yeah, so four and a half versus
Starting point is 01:07:33 4.6, something crazy like that. 4.4, right. You're right. I think Tyson Fury, honestly, I think Tyson Fury versus Francis could do three. I really mean that. Dude, that's a lot of money. Okay, so I guess if that's the case, then I guess you can't take away from Fury generational money. Because, look, he made $30-plus million against Dillian White,
Starting point is 01:07:53 but he wasn't making that, to be fair, against Wilder. I don't remember what his purse was in the other big fights, Klitschko and Wilder, but he wasn't making that. So if he does have that one-night chance for his entire six kids to never have to work a day, I guess I understand. But here's the other elephant in the room, Luke. Because Bob Arum said, I think we can make it. The I think part centers around this.
Starting point is 01:08:16 Does Francis Ngannou have to walk away from the UFC to make this fight? Is there any chance that Dana White goes, we did make a shit ton of money co-promoting Mayweather McGregor, which did 4.4 million pay-per-view buys and actually exceeded Mayweather Pacquiao from the standpoint of live gate and total income. Is that enough for Dana White to completely switch gears, get in a room with the Disney executives?
Starting point is 01:08:40 Because let's remember, ESPN has both UFC under contract and has Tyson Fury, although Ariel is reporting that Fury's deal with top rank as a co-promoter is now completed. But you get what I'm saying here. It's familiarity. Could you get Dana White to say yes just to guarantee that he keeps Ngannou in-house and you can make some easy money here, Luke? Well, a couple of things. I mean, we don't need the UFC in this equation. Why are we introducing them here?
Starting point is 01:09:11 Because, true or false, if Francis says yes to this fight, then he has to say no to the UFC. Because we know his deal is officially up at the end of this calendar year. He's going through knee surgery. Nobody knows if Francis is coming back to the Octagon, but if he is, he's going to have to sign a new deal, which in theory you would think Dana White going, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:09:30 We make enough money nowadays. We don't need to do this crossover co-promotion boxing bullshit. See, here's the thing. I mean, where UFC gets involved, I don't know. But the part that could be interesting is ESPN must be looking at this and going, fellas, we got to be able to do a deal here.
Starting point is 01:09:42 We've got top rank, which I know, you know, Tyson has sort of worked through, but it has obviously a good relationship with them. This has been a fruitful deal here we've got top rank which i know you know tyson has sort of worked through but it has obviously a good relationship with them this has been a fruitful partnership we've got top rank here we've got ufc here we should be able to find a way to accommodate this we've got all of the different uh apparati and boxing and mma and all of our sports shows we could blow this thing up to the nth degree they could make this bigger than it ever could be let's just get a deal done here so there's part of that being but look if you're dana you don't want to start
Starting point is 01:10:09 a trend you don't want to start a precedence to your fighters we're not we're not a key point in the fighter pay evolution right i guess i guess this will this will tell us a lot about where the ufc goes from here they're going to hold the line and say yeah connor can do it and the rest of you guys can fuck off or we're going to bend a little bit more when the circumstances call for it again this is a pretty rare circumstance too Tyson Fury versus uh Dion or excuse me versus Francis Ngannou was not something that's going to happen all that often remember we all I thought that Gon was going to win and then we were going to not even be in this scenario but um i i wonder maybe you yeah because ufc might be like we'd still rather have him than not have him right but the other part is too the ufc might be like yeah you're gonna go there against tyson fear you're gonna get fucking bludgeoned we don't
Starting point is 01:10:56 want to do business with you either plus and gone who's getting a little bit older they might let him walk dude they might let him walk you know they They might let him walk. You know, they might, because a lot of people DM me and go, BC, like, fun analysis, great job yelling at the camera, but the dude's 35 with bad knees. Like, is that the guy you want to throw stupid money at? I do agree there is the wild card
Starting point is 01:11:17 conversation of Disney. Disney forced Dana to stand down on the Tai Chi Palace debacle, which ended with your boy BC as the centerpiece of a four-minute media hit job video. Yeah. Yeah, brother. But, you know, could they turn Dana's hand? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:11:33 Quick reporting here from our great producer, Mikey Mormaul. He's saying that in the Fury versus Wilder rivalry to compare paydays, Wilder made $4 million for the first fight against Fury, while Fury made $3 million. In the second fight, they were both guaranteed $5 million, but according to Dan Rayfield, made upwards of $25 million apiece based on everything else, pay-per-view points, all that. And then the third fight, last fall, Fury made $30 million, Wilder made $20 million.
Starting point is 01:12:01 So you're seeing Fury's evolution into making, you know, stupid Floyd money, right? We're getting there. Again, Luke, he's not going to listen to me saying, hey, Fury, can you wait until after you become Undisputed Champion to make this Ngannou money? The timing does seem to be right now, Luke. I'm not here for it. I'm not Ariel and Brett getting all excited. But four-ounce gloves and a chance at three million pay-per-view buys? No one's turning that down, Luke. No one. No one.
Starting point is 01:12:31 No, they're not. They're not. My wife is telling me someone broke into our car. This is terrible. Right now, are they there? No. I'm not sure what happened, but in any event.
Starting point is 01:12:45 Are there any Colombian relatives in your house right now who could kick some ass? Uh, no. I'm not sure what happened, but in any event. All right. Are there any Colombian relatives in your house right now who could kick some ass? No. They're all gone. All right, let's move to point number five here, BC, because we do need to move the show along. Let's talk about Bellator very quickly. There's a bunch of stuff that happened.
Starting point is 01:12:58 They had two shows. They just ended. I swear to God, the post-limb is just finished. I'm going to keep doing this dad joke because I don't know who, I mean, I just cannot believe they decided to start a five fight card with three five round scheduled fights on them at 10 30 east coast time it's like if you're trying to put your best foot forward so people will watch your product this was the opposite choice you should have made but okay that's just me thinking out loud let's start here BC Friday night Liz
Starting point is 01:13:23 Karmush got the win over juliana velazquez but i don't know about that stoppage dude mike beltran is a good referee but here's my view he fucked up this stoppage do you agree yeah luke he fucked it up big time and i hate to see it because it was going to be a great moment for 38-year-old Liz Karmouche, who had fought unsuccessfully for the Strikeforce title, for two different UFC titles, to come back and find sort of this final gear of which she's aggressive. And look, she was aggressive in this first round. Not Wabi-level aggressive, but she was aggressive.
Starting point is 01:13:58 And then that aggression stopped, and she was passive. So if she's going to win this title, you want her to do it triumphantly. You want it to be a moment. Luke, it was anything but a moment. Did she have the champion and a crucifix? And was she landing clean elbows in the closing seconds of the round? Yes. But Luke, although I'm not the person taking those elbows,
Starting point is 01:14:20 it didn't look like they had the speed or power to even threaten breaking the skin. There are clean shots, but Velasquez looked fine there were the seconds ticking off and here's the distinction whenever people say whenever there's a stoppage in the closing seconds of a fight and people say oh come on the referee should have known the circumstance I always say I disagree if the referee sees a fighter who can no longer continue it goes back to the Chavez versus Meldrick Taylor debate with Richard Steele, 1990, one of the greatest boxing title matches ever. If a guy, even with one second left, if a man or woman looks like they can't continue, you stop the fight. Luke, I disagree. It did not look anywhere close like Juliana Velasquez could not continue in this fight. I think that is a situation where Beltran has to know the situation.
Starting point is 01:15:04 Velasquez is counting down the seconds of the round. Yeah, she can't fire back because she's stuck in a crucifix, but look, she's not even visibly getting hurt. I mean, I don't get it. You are Semper Fi, never die, as Karmush and Beltran also are. This wasn't some backroom handshake Marine deal, right? I mean, I don't see how you justify the stoppage in the championship fight under any circumstance yeah i don't i don't think you can justify it i don't know what mike beltran saw to make that call so we'd have we'd have to hear from him but of course commissions don't ever make referees ever justify their decisions to the public so that will remain a mystery for the rest of our lives but when you go back and you watch it
Starting point is 01:15:43 it's simply not clear to your point I think you stated it quite correctly. Was she in a bad spot? She was in a bad spot. Was she being hit? She was being hit. Were the shots all that damaging? No, they were not hardly, I'm not gonna say they were nothing,
Starting point is 01:15:55 but they were not, or this wasn't serious, but this was not dangerous. She was not being rocked. She was not getting her head bounced. She wasn't even cut open. There was, it was a little more than busy work, for sure. It was important work. But this is it.
Starting point is 01:16:10 You can see here. And also, it should be noted, too, Velasquez was beginning to turn the tide a little bit. Karmush did come out with a strong early kind of performance and then was kind of fading as the rounds went on. She got dropped from a punch, I think, at the beginning of this round or whenever it was. I can't remember that part either but but again look at these these are serious but then he just stopped right there this what are we doing this is no no no no no this
Starting point is 01:16:32 was way way too early to take someone's title from them velasquez and her team immediately protested she seemed quite coherent bad call scott Coker saying we probably might run this back. They should. Bad, bad call. Here's why they really should, because the next night, Luke, of course, hometown favorite Lima Leigh McFarlane came out to the incredible entrance with the traditional Hawaiian culture there. It was great to see.
Starting point is 01:16:59 But she's coming back in her first fight since losing to Velasquez for the title. And Luke, it was it was turns out it was Justine Kish shitting all over her for once, Luke, right? That was a great performance from Kish from the standpoint of just going in there and doing what she had to do. But that took away the need to slide McFarlane back in. Now you have to run this back, dude. This ain't a deep division to begin with. We know that.
Starting point is 01:17:21 Now you have to run this back. And by the way, shout out to Justine Kish. Let me ask you rate your luke it's unfortunate rate your own joke rate your own justine kish shit shitting on them joke would you care where would you put that out of 10 i'll give me i'll give me a six and a half seven for that that was more like a three or three or two low-hanging fruit for sure but i did slice that shit up fruit ninja style luke remember one of the early ipad games since you jumped around on the rundown,
Starting point is 01:17:45 we'll jump to that one here to answer your question. Yes, it does. It does also feed into the point that you have to run Karmush and Velazquez back, but also BC. How bad was that loss for McFarlane? That was a bad loss. It was bad. It was bad.
Starting point is 01:17:57 And it wasn't that she was completely flat. I mean, Kish was stubborn and sort of closed down, you know, things that Mcfarlane was trying to do and look kish is world-class ish luke i mean just fun you know she's on a high level it was a good performance for her but you're right this was a uh almost a showcase this was like a homecoming get well and it didn't happen luke and you know why i was happy for kish luke because it goes back to school like when one kid does that one embarrassing thing or has it happened to him and they never live it down luke right you know what i'm saying like we there was
Starting point is 01:18:30 this one guy that went to high school with he had one testicle removed luke probably for a medical emergency but he was uniball the rest of his life you know we had we had a guy like that but we called him the unibomber that's well that's better that's better but like my point is everyone knows somebody in their life who accidentally pissed their pants or, you know what I mean, whatever. Whatever the thing is, right? Like, there was this kid, Nick Klaber was firing mini donuts across the cafeteria our senior year.
Starting point is 01:18:53 He hit this kid right in the ear. Right in the damn ear, Luke. It was donut in his ear hole. We call that kid Donut Ear for the rest of his life, Luke. I don't even know the guy's name. He's fucking Donut Ear. We got to move along from Donut Ear. BC, sticking with the Friday night card very quickly.
Starting point is 01:19:08 Danny Sabatello running over Jornell Lugo. He'll now face Leandro Ego in the Bellator Grand Prix. He gets his way and he beat the shit out of Lugo. Fair or unfair, he's the new dark horse in the tournament. Yes, and I have to apologize for not seeing this coming, not knowing what we had here, what Bellator has here and Danny Sabatello. Luke, you're talking to me, joking around,
Starting point is 01:19:31 my washed ass is the American alpha? No. Dude, I don't know how good this guy is, but he's willing to find out right the hell now. Luke, he is alpha. You know what he is? He has the spirit of every creative fighter I've ever done on UFC's video games, right? I'll always give the guy wild hair and he's just a badass trash-talking brawler.
Starting point is 01:19:52 Now, he's not a brawler, but Luke, he is a submission expert with the intention and attitude of a brawler. He's going after it. From the promo he cut afterwards to all the interviews I went back and watched but had missed leading up. Luke, how did you not tell me? I know you told us this would be an interesting fight, and it was between two fighters on the come-up. How did you not say, hey, BC, are you woke to how freaking wild this guy is? Because, Luke, you know, I can't be him in my own profession
Starting point is 01:20:23 because it'll probably lead to me getting my ass kicked, but I want to. I want to bring that thing to the air. He had been showing signs of this kind of thing with a little bit of flair for the dramatic, but he really ratcheted it up this time. I mean, he went to another degree, and so partly this is, I'm not going to say entirely
Starting point is 01:20:39 new, but this level of it is somewhat new, and so I wasn't expecting, was expecting i was expecting lugo to give him a tougher fight and dude sabatello ran over him in every way i'm telling you i think sabatello beats leandro ego i believe that and so it so i think that means he'll fight i think he'll fight stats next i believe that's right crazy luke is I said, somebody's going to jump in here, and I know we're going to talk about the other fights in a second, but somebody's going to jump in here and become the new face of this tournament,
Starting point is 01:21:10 meaning somebody who's just going to jump through the screen. It did turn out to be Rafael Stotz, and we can get into that, but dude, Sabatello now makes this tournament even more must-see. And the fact that this has happened after your champion, Sergio Pettis, had to pull out right before the start of the tournament, this is a good development for all things Bellator because Lugo is tough as shit. Look, Waterbury, Connecticut, dirty water, baby.
Starting point is 01:21:32 And he got handled by Sabatello. All right, moving on from that one, BC. I did a post-fight show against my better judgment at 7 a.m. in the morning. Your major takeaway from Cyborg's second win over Blanco was what? We've got to move this along. But, Luke, do we really have to move it along? We do, BC, because I've got shit we have to do. Please, please, for the love of God, don't fuck with me today.
Starting point is 01:21:54 I'm begging you. You've got another job I don't know about? I'm begging you, BC. Please don't fuck with me today. Okay, look, Arlene Blanco did in some ways what I hope she would have done, which is caution to the wind and go for it. She did, Luke. It made a fun fight to your point
Starting point is 01:22:07 when I reached out and said, damn, what a war. You're like, well, it's a one-sided war. It was. It was Cyborg digging in and doing what she had to do. But let's give Arlene Blanco credit at what, 38 here, Luke? Third chance for a Bellator title. She had gotten that disputed decision
Starting point is 01:22:22 the first time against Bud, came back, got submitted against cyborg dude she did what what what she's capable of stand in take big shots but give them back i give her a lot of credit but no she was never in this fight scorecard wise it never looked like she was close to putting cyborg in trouble although she did sort of drop her on that in between shot and she did mark her up a little bit um It was a fun war, Luke, and maybe this is the toughest challenge Cyborg will end up facing in this division under the Bellator banner, but I'm here to tell Arlene Blanco, if you decide to walk away, you did all you could. Respect.
Starting point is 01:22:58 Okay, Luke, I got respect. I thought she did everything she could in this fight, including in the last minute, begging Cyborg to trade with her in the middle the fact that she lasted that long she did get dropped here as you can see but the fact that she lasted that long and then tried to have that kind of exchange with her dude blanco did everything i thought she could she really did she tried she really truly tried and that's all you can ask of a fighter just give us what you have and she did wasn't enough in the end but it was definitely a commendable effort so that's why they call it a war there were a couple of rounds where she was landing some overhand
Starting point is 01:23:27 rights and some left hooks on on cyborg but i think by by the time the fourth started the fight at that point was more or less lost and then she was eating damage but it didn't deter her i really respect the effort i really do the effort that blanco put in here was she overcame a wardrobe malfunction in round one that could have been disastrous and she overcame that too so you know strong performance and defeat but cyborg still cyborg baby luke i mean you know every couple title defenses we sort of reset and go man does cyborg get the love she probably really you know deserves i mean maybe she never will luke what a freaking legend i mean at this age she's got a better motor than everybody.
Starting point is 01:24:07 She's always stronger, always better output, more efficient than ever, can do everything. Her kicking game was fantastic. Nobody handles her on the ground, Luke. I mean, what an all-timer, dude. Seriously. She truly is. If she's not the best fighter of all time because you want to give it to Amanda Nunes,
Starting point is 01:24:21 great, but this is number two very easily, and I don't even know who three would be it's pretty far away at that point no no Valentina Valentina dude Valentina Valentina right still okay fair point uh BC after stopping one Archuleta is Ralphion Stotts the favorite to win this tournament or would it be Pachi Mix for beating Kyoji Horiguchi and taking out who we thought was the prohibitive favorite in this tournament who would you say is now the guy who's going to win it all? It's Rafael Stotz right now, but let's give respect, first of all, to what Pachy Mix did.
Starting point is 01:24:49 Or we'll play the Stotz stuff first. Dude, Stotz was everything he says he was, everything we said he was, and more. Juan Archuleta never been stopped. Stotz from the beginning in this one, Luke, landed big shots. He survived Archuleta's early takedown, and then he started putting together some power double legs, really establishing himself. The back flips after the victory, the post-fight interview was wild, but Luke, his wrestling ability mixed with the intention of his power shots. He is a problem for this bracket, for this division. If you tell me you can see the future and it's going to be Stotts versus Pettis after this tournament's all said
Starting point is 01:25:24 and done for the title, then maybe we need to get on a plane and it's going to be Stotts versus Pettis after this tournament's all said and done for the title, then maybe we need to get on a plane and see that in person. Stotts coming the hell on because Archuleta was there in shape, ready. Nobody does that, Luke. Nobody head kicks this guy and finishes him. What the heck did you just see there? This guy's great, Luke. Yeah, he can do it all.
Starting point is 01:25:41 He can do it all. He's not quite the sniper that Pettis is, but he's a much better wrestler defensively and offensively and even if he's not the full-on sort of absorbing counter striking fighter that Pettis is he has enough of it to get the win here against Archuleta where obviously Pettis had to go I think the full distance with him and then on top of it you saw he can also wrestle himself he can also scramble himself he he is probably the guy to win this now it takes us to patchy mix bc because it was weird if he had the back he could just hold it from there and he would win the rounds kojo raguchi looked like a real flyweight out there but bellator doesn't have a flyweight
Starting point is 01:26:16 division that's two losses in a row he gets knocked out he gets uh controlled here it's a great win for patchy mix but does he have enough to beat the next level of what this competition offers and bbc where and bbc uh where does horiguchi go from here because he's in a bit of a tough spot yeah this was interesting luke you know it didn't it wasn't a thriller uh you know horiguchi had moments round two where he struck nicely from the outside, darting in and out. Mix's ground game was a problem, as you saw here. He put the former champ in very tough situations, taking his back.
Starting point is 01:27:00 I think it's a very mature statement from Patchy Mix, who had fought for the title before but lost to Archuleta Had shown us flashes of brilliance. I mean Luke he's big for this weight class. He's long his grappling game is awesome I'm still surprised couple mornings after that He was able to control Horiguchi like he did over five rounds Luke. Is this more about Patchy Mix's growth or Horiguchi Being a little underwhelming to your expectations? Ooh. No, I don't think Horiguchi was underwhelming.
Starting point is 01:27:33 I think Pachi Mix leveled up. I really do. I think Horiguchi at this point is accomplished, experienced, knew what his task was. He just didn't have an answer for a guy whose back control is this suffocating and i'll go back to it you can see all the times he was leaning on horiguchi and pulling him off of his base that size difference is we we've seen patchy mix remember we saw him at high rollers bjj he's not a small bantamweight and quite obviously horiguchi is so for all the
Starting point is 01:28:01 skill and the ability that he showed in the grappling department dude Horiguchi has it didn't cost him against Darian Caldwell but it could have and it definitely cost him here he is undersized for that weight class no doubt about it I mean are you having computer issues the size difference was massive between them Luke it was freaking massive it was so I don't know where Horiguchi is going to go from here I mean he's still obviously very competitive against the division's best, but yeah, this is a setback. Can I do a what if for you? You'll probably
Starting point is 01:28:31 say no. What if Pettis gets healthier before the tournament's actually over? Could Horiguchi end up with a second title shot? No, right? He just lost. He couldn't, Luke. Yeah, no. He would have to beat. But how many people does he have to beat to get a title shot again? Probably one, at most two.
Starting point is 01:28:49 You know, that kind of a thing. So he's never that far out of it. But I'm just pointing out, like... It's just... I mean, he was giving it to the champ. Luke, he was giving it to the champ. He was, until he got got. But you get the idea.
Starting point is 01:29:00 All right. So that is it for our five topics. It is now time for you to ask us questions. We put up a post on Instagram every Sunday. You guys fill it up with questions. The producers pick them. It's time for DMs from Diggity Donkeys. Hee-haw.
Starting point is 01:29:15 Hee-haw. BC, what is going on with your camera setup that you are fumbling over there like a juggler? I'm trying to pull up the have you seen this shit, and I just deleted the email back i found it i found it okay all right here we go uh bc from ryan basra is tyson fury a top five heavyweight all time all time not yet uh you wanna you wanted me to go 25 minutes on this check out the instant reaction which i did but um uh ability wise he's getting there mythical matchup in your mind-wise, because he's part of this new era of super heavyweights, which I think began with Lennox Lewis,
Starting point is 01:29:50 and now we're seeing guys 6'5 and above who can, they're not just stiffs, like they can go. But Luke, the problem is he has a lack of elite wins. There's still time, he's only 33. If he beats an unbeaten Usyk or even a refurbished Joshua to become the first four belt champion, it's going to take him to another level. If he can fight some other guys around there and add, there's no, there's nothing stopping him, but he is going, if he doesn't fight much longer, Luke, if he does one of those things where he just like,
Starting point is 01:30:20 like a Habib or a Sahud, like he just sort of walks away on top. You're like, oh damn, like crap. I would have wanted more. He's going to have a weird hip or a Sahud, like he sort of walks away on top. You're like, oh, damn, like crap, I would have wanted more. He's going to have a weird hipster argument, Luke, a weird hipster argument for top five inclusion. I think right now, though, not there yet, but to act like he's not in the top 10. And by the way, there are so many top 10-ish worthy names in heavyweight championship history in boxing. You can probably fill out 15 to 20 of them, guys who you can make arguments for.
Starting point is 01:30:48 Dude, I think he's got an argument right now in the top 10 10 and a lot of it is that eye test that you're seeing you i'm sorry you know what i mean put rocky marciano in there against him you know like seriously the dude's fucking six foot nine and he's tough as balls and he really doesn't have a hole in his game so he's coming luke he's freaking coming uh from the real k carter see this is where i'm at too in terms of pageantry and energy who is the p4p the pound for pound walkout king across all of combat sports i think it's fury dude i don't think joshua i mean the joshua thing is big because it's a big stadium and he's got his letters on fire but he doesn't have nearly that same kind of charisma and connection as fury plus fury had that guy's like and when i'm done or when the gypsy king is done knocking out this sad pathetic dosser and then the word dosser appears on the screen above the
Starting point is 01:31:35 ring i mean dude no one's doing shit like that he's totally different patsy klein coming out to her before who had that that awesome interest in ireland just recently with the zombie peter queely peter queely yeah i mean that was badass alima lay mcfarland in hawaii is always sort of Who had that awesome interest in Ireland just recently with the zombie? Peter Quealy. Peter Quealy. Yeah, I mean, that was badass. Alimale McFarlane in Hawaii is always sort of good. Good one. But no, it doesn't equal the pageantry of what the UK foundation gives you with the sweet Caroline into the fans going.
Starting point is 01:32:00 And dude, they're drunk as shit. I mean, look, our boy Karen Mulvaney of the Showtime Boxing Podcast loves to tell the story that at Hatton Mayweather, he was there, and it was like two days before the fight in Vegas, and the entire MGM Grand ran out of beer, Luke. I mean, these are some drunk motherfuckers coming over from the UK. So I think that adds to the feel of the entrance. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:32:22 Yeah, I think so, too. Yeah, I've heard that story. They drank the casino dry of beer i mean that is that's that that's that's that's that's commitment that really that really is like a fuck my liver you know i'm just going to empty this all right from uh punch drunk pete after his knockout of one archuleta where would you say ralphion stott's ranks among the best fighters in the world not currently signed to the UFC? So that's tough because you've got Cyborg on the one side, Stotts you'd put in there, Sergio Pettis. There's a bunch in PFL.
Starting point is 01:32:53 Pitbull, Kayla Harrison. So how about we do this, Luke? Who's the best fighter not in the UFC right now? Not in terms of their history, just right now. Do you think it's still Cyborg or no? Certainly on the women's side, it's Cyborg. In all of MMA, yeah, I don't know if it's Cyborg. I don't know if that's right.
Starting point is 01:33:13 I mean, is it Kayla Harrison just on ability right now? Could be. Could be. Okay, so definitely Kayla and Cyborg are there. I think, you know, I mean, Horiguchi just lost, so that hurts his argument, although his argument's still decent. Rafi on Stotts, the whole point of this question. Luke, I mean, where would he be in the...
Starting point is 01:33:34 I think the better question, since it's focused on Stotts, is, you know, where do you think he'd rank if he was in the UFC right now? In that division. Top five, but I mean, I don't know. When I say top five, I don't mean like sitting at five. I mean, I think he'd be competitive somewhere in that space. Could he beat Sanhagen? Could he beat Sterling?
Starting point is 01:33:54 Could he beat Jan Aldo? I don't know, but I think he's of that level. I do think he's of that level for sure. Who's the best fighter in one, Luke? You could maybe make a case for demetrius even though he lost um good question see on the muay thai side that's a little bit easier to answer at least they have more they had a great event on friday too liam badko um had a fucking crazy win oh dude i forgot to there was one championship had like a corrales castillo round where there was like yeah it was five it was five knockdowns in something like 90 seconds i got threatened by
Starting point is 01:34:29 people insane they were like if you don't put this and have you seen this shit on monday and make luke react to it i'll never watch your show again luke it's not in today's batch i'm sorry i'm sorry there's a cadre of one fans who think that like we're trying to like fuck with one by not giving them coverage it doesn't happen that way the The problem with Friday's card is it was mostly Muay Thai with the four-ounce gloves. There's a couple of MMA fights. But maybe we should make a case for it. I mean, we're doing Bellator shows at 2.30 in the morning. We probably could give one championship a little bit more coverage than they get.
Starting point is 01:34:57 All right, from Fitman Eats. A lot of Bellator questions, I guess. Do you think Patchy Mix, with improved conditioning and jab work, could adopt a style more like Covington's by taking control the way he does and just peppering with strikes and dominating transitions to have similar success i don't think patchy mix and covington have a very similar style at all nor is there a clear and obvious bridge between them yeah i mean yes if you added things to patchy mix's game would he he be better, BC? Yes, of course he would. But he's much more of a stand and accept the fight type, and then he tries for quick arm drag, slide-by entries to get to the back,
Starting point is 01:35:33 and then he wants to hold it there. Covington's a leg ride, double scramble, volume kind of striker. That's just not what Patchy Mix is at all. No, and I wonder how quickly Mix can evolve his striking even within the grounds of this tournament luke to keep making noise and evolving because there certainly is something there there's something great there how quickly yes i do think i do think he needs to put i do think a little bit more offensive urgency even as a counter fighter even as a counter fighter, even as a counter fighter is, is, is, is good. But obviously dude, like if he gets to yours,
Starting point is 01:36:09 if he gets an angle on you, right. If he gets past your center line and he gets an angle on you in terms of the grappling, he's you're in trouble. You're in big trouble with him. And the fact that, you know, he has all those submissions. Covington has none. They have, they're very different games, but I do agree that there's a little bit more offensive urgency to create openings that could be there for patchy rather than having to wait for him all right last but not least edward under edwards underscore scissor underscore hands
Starting point is 01:36:33 uh would luke trade his vape habit for a night's sleep motherfucker i would trade this show for a night's sleep are you shitting me i can't remember the last time i got eight hours of sleep in a night i mean that sincerely bc i cannot remember the last time so i just i went eight when you and i were just in dallas at the uh live by lowe's in arlington there uh overlooking the the jerry world and you know outside of our window of our on our side of the hotel that i don't know there was like a fair and a, some, there was a pool. They were just pumping house music. I felt bad telling you that it, you know, it took me a few minutes, but I did nap during that Luke. And I felt bad telling you that. Cause I know there was no chance. I'll tell the folks this dude sleeping. It used to be so
Starting point is 01:37:18 easy for me. I remember when I remember, I remember this distinctly. There was one time that I was out with my Marine Corps unit. We were on an exercise. I had some downtime. And I slept in the five-ton vehicle next to the gun line. The gun lines were all the cannons fire. So it's not just small arms rifles. It's the howitzer fucking sending seven red bag 30 miles away, right, on the charge. I slept right next to it.
Starting point is 01:37:44 No fucking problem. That was like 24 on the charge. I slept right next to it. No fucking problem. That was like 24 at the time, something like that. I mean, just could sleep anywhere with under any condition. No problem, dude. Now when I sleep, I have to wear those nose strips that like Albert Haynes would have to wear because he was, you know, a fat slob when he fought for the, or played for the, now the commanders, then the Redskins. And I have to wear earplugs at night. And I have to take melatonin and other sleep drugs to go to sleep. Dude, it's a fucking battle for me.
Starting point is 01:38:09 The air has to be on. The fucking white noise machine has to be on. I have to gear up like Roxanne Modaferri does before an MMA fight, bro. I'm taped up. I've got knee pads on. I mean, it's a fucking shit show because I'm so full of anxiety I can't sleep anymore yeah
Starting point is 01:38:25 my wife has uh she's not that bad not as bad as you but there are many times that you know my light snoring lightish snoring can just send me to another room luke but you need i mean you haven't even talked about the copious amounts of delta products that you also use to help you get to that point luke um i feel bad for you because as much as we're all like yeah luke should go on trt have a vitor belort type run in life. All you actually need is four good nights of sleep per week, Luke, and you could be a completely different person. I honestly, I mean this sincerely.
Starting point is 01:38:53 I wonder what would happen if I could start sleeping normally again and how much it would improve my health because it has become a point in my life where it's the hardest thing for me to fall asleep. It's just terrible. So give me all the drugs, please. That's what I would say. All right, BC, that's done with my shit. asleep it's just terrible so give me all the drugs please that's what i would say all right bc that's done with my shit now it's time for yours yeah so what i like to do every sunday luke is i uh i scout the globe for the highs and lows the good the bad the ugly the in between in combat sports and then i say hey gaff pierre our great producer put this shit
Starting point is 01:39:20 together to find out if people have seen it yes Yes, it's have you seen this shit? You farted your way through that intro, too. Probably. Luke, we have had this weekend an abundant of all, I don't want to say all-time great, but amazing post-fight interviews. I got four of them. We're going to play samples. I want you to tell me who was the best this weekend.
Starting point is 01:39:43 I got to close this fucking window. My neighbor is... Jesus Christ. Hey, let's mow our lawn at fucking 10 a.m. Actually, it's almost 1. What am I saying? I'm an asshole. Never mind.
Starting point is 01:39:54 Yeah, you pretty much are an asshole. Luke, we'll start at Bellator 279. Here's Raffi on Stotts after knocking out Juan Archuleta. Hey, let me say something for the Hawaiian people. Let me say something. Yes, sir! Who like party? I appreciate all the love in Hawaii.
Starting point is 01:40:18 I love it. Who like what? Let's go! All right, ladies and gentlemen, I am here with the new interim Bantamweight champion, Rafael Superstats. Anything else you want to say? Hey, y'all, I'm coming. Hey, if you want some, come get some.
Starting point is 01:40:40 Want to start to call me the bully? You got damn right. I'm a bully in here. I'm nasty with it. If you want some, come get some. This was my pitch to women to come into my dorm room in college. That's contestant number one here, Luke. The night before, here's Danny Sabatello following his submission win at 278.
Starting point is 01:41:03 Yeah, this was epic. Talking the talk and then walking the walk. You just put on a masterful performance against an undefeated fighter. Talk to me about how you feel. Yeah, I feel fucking great. It was a really good fucking performance by me. Sorry for saying about that. Fuck that.
Starting point is 01:41:18 But Jornell Lugo is an absolute stud. And for me to do that to a guy like him, I can be any fucking body. And now Leandro Higo is next. It's a perfect fucking matchup, me and him. Because you look at him, he fucking sucks. You look at me, and I'm really good. Let's go. Look, that's 1984 wrestling.
Starting point is 01:41:38 He's great. He's brilliant. That's brilliant. Let's go over to Charles Air Jordan, who, as you mentioned, he called for Twitter to put the star on. He asked the UFC for a job, but he also offered this to Edson Barbosa. I'd love to face Edson Barbosa, man. I'm a guy who likes striking.
Starting point is 01:41:55 I want to die in there. I want to live my life in there, and I want to face the best strikers in this division. And don't worry, Edson, I won't try to take you down. It's going to be mano a mano until you die or I die. All right, everyone's dying, apparently. Is that a double suicide pact he just offered Barbosa right here?
Starting point is 01:42:14 That was interesting. Is he offering Edson Barbosa a fight or the plot of Romeo and Juliet? What's happening? Yes, yes, yes. Are we fucking or fighting? Tyson Fury might be doing the former here. Here's his infamous chat with Francis Ngannou.
Starting point is 01:42:28 Oh, Jesus Christ. He's in great shape. Look at the muscles on him. And we're going to find out who is the baddest motherfucker on the planet. Board man Francis. Yes. We apologize for the language. I got a couple of months, then I'll be right back on my feet.
Starting point is 01:42:44 He's a good looking, he's a good looking chubby, isn't he? Have you got a big months, then I'll be right back on my feet. He's a good-looking, he's a good-looking Javi, isn't he? Have you got a big Tory? Huh? Have you got a big Tory? Big what? A big Tory. Hey, this is getting off the chain. Will we see it in the octagon or will we see it in the ring?
Starting point is 01:42:58 I think he's saying big Tory. Is that a... This is going to be one very special fight like never before. We can cut it here, Gaff. I think that's British for Big Dong, Luke. I got to give it to Danny Sabatello, Luke. He won the weekend in terms of sound. Yeah, that was...
Starting point is 01:43:12 Hey, Francis, you got a big-ass hog. Yeah. Tyson's different, bro. He's different. All right, let's go to Honolulu for some more Bellator. Luke, do you know much about Sumiko Inaba, who calls herself the Lady Samurai? She improved to 8-1 with this first-round finish of Whitney Piles. Good lord.
Starting point is 01:43:35 Man, you know what really is missing from all of this is Venom and Reebok. I just, you know, would really make this so much better. Such a strong argument to have it, you know. The Lady Samurai can put it on. Yeah, that's impressive shit right there. Look at this. Oh, that was nice. Jab, cross, hook, man.
Starting point is 01:43:53 The one, two, three. That's what it is. You know I love real recognizing real on this segment. I got a little emotional watching this incredible exchange following Cyborg Blenco 2. I mean, those are just two warriors luke okay all right i felt bad for i felt bad for blanco because that was that was a tough loss and she gave it all bro she really did i mean she's crying that's also that's also by the way that's not her eyebrow her that thing is a giant cut over her left eye yeah
Starting point is 01:44:21 and you know those tears those tears are i gave every single thing I had, and it still wasn't enough. And Luke, you know what? Not everybody can be a champion. It happens. But what a strong performance. Speaking of love and respect, Luke, did you see these savage lightweights, Yancy Medeiros making his Bellator debut, and Emmanuel Sanchez moving up in weight? The final 10 seconds here was just a tease of what they did over three rounds.
Starting point is 01:44:45 And what did you think about the hug before and after every round that they had? Didn't love the hug, but here's the thing. I do love Yancey. His walkout was great. That crowd went apeshit for him, which was amazing to see. And Yancey brought it and got a win.
Starting point is 01:45:01 So not only does he get a win in his Bellator debut, his Bellator debut takes place in Hawaii, first time there since 2009. Tough loss for Sanchez. So not only does he get a win in his Bellator debut, his Bellator debut takes place in Hawaii. First time there since 2009. Tough loss for Sanchez. So I don't love the hugging, but if there's one guy I'm going to forgive, it's going to be Yancy Medeiros. Sorry, my window apparently is still not motherfucking closed.
Starting point is 01:45:15 Jesus Christ. Nobody can hear it, Lucas. All right. You don't have to keep bringing up Jesus's name. I mean, you know, he didn't, he didn't die on a cross for you to disparage him every week on this show. Hey, Luke, let's go back to UFC Fight Night. Mike Jackson of CM Punk fame, he took a kick to the stick from old Dean Barry.
Starting point is 01:45:31 Let's hear the reaction from Jackson. And I'm not even, I'm talking about. Stop. Time. Time. Dean. Spin. Low blow.
Starting point is 01:45:42 No coaching, guys. Oh, my God. I spit a kick to the dick. Take your coaching, guys. Oh, my God. That's a good kick to the dick. Take your time, buddy. Direct connection. Oh, fuck. Oh. Ah.
Starting point is 01:45:55 That motherfucking... Oh, this shot fucking deep. Oh, my God. Luke, Jackson, the videographer and part-time fighter was heavily criticized for taking the dq loss here do you blame him luke or the win sorry the dq win uh no i don't and by the way i feel bad for dean berry because he had told i think mma fighting or somebody that he had spent his life savings to get back to the ufc and then he gets here and then this happens.
Starting point is 01:46:26 So that really sucks. The old stick kick. That'll be enough, you motherfucker. All right, let's go to the weirdest Sean Strickland tweet of the week, Luke, and there were a lot of them, but this is pretty inflammatory. Strickland has now made it his mission to go after the coaches of both Rose Namajunas and Aspen Ladd, basically saying they are being Weinsteined, Luke. Rose actually put a response video of sorts,
Starting point is 01:46:51 people sort of connecting the dots, in which she prayed for the people that are against her and her life on this solo video. Luke, your thoughts on being this aggressive? Well, that's very on-brand for Sean Strickland. There's some verb tenses and some spelling that's an issue. That's definitely not how you spell Weinstein. Also, Weinstein was less a...
Starting point is 01:47:14 Pat Berry has spelled it wrong as well. Weinstein, his issue as I understand it, was less that he was sort of considered some kind of grooming threat and more just power abuse of, know already adult women but you know he was just simply using the power as a way to extract sexual favors and i mean can you catch your receipt here i know pat barry he ain't gonna take this lightly luke no no sean strickland is um yeah this is not the most delicate way to handle it. No, but, you know, that's, I mean, I would like to say that in the sport,
Starting point is 01:47:51 like things like this matter, but I think most folks just don't seem to care about anything in the sport. Well, speaking of weird MMA tweets, Luke, let's go over to Bryce Mitchell. You know the thug Nasty lives in a motorhome on his large property, Luke. And, you know, sometimes, Luke, he'll piss in the sink because it's easier. So, Luke, let that sink in, all right? Easier than what? Like, is going to the bathroom that hard?
Starting point is 01:48:19 Yeah, I guess finding the toilet, Luke. If you piss in your own sink, you're pretty gross. But then again, Luke, as much as I do love Bryce Mitchell, he did do this on camera recently. I know I mentioned it to you. Finally, we have the video. Oh, I saw this. Just eating Folgers?
Starting point is 01:48:35 Just eating coffee grinds straight up, Luke. Listen, I've told you this before. There were times when we were so tired in the field that what we would do is we'd take coffee grinds like that that came in the MRE, and we'd dip them. We'd throw them in our dip and then just put it right in your gums to help wake up. It does work, but it's fucking awful,
Starting point is 01:48:54 and I wouldn't prefer that as a method. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it will wake you up. Hey, Luke, Sergio Pettis, despite his injuries as the Bellator Bantamweight Champion, looked back on his UFC debut long ago against Will Campuzano and couldn't help but shout out the phoner his opponent was packing back then. He said it would be a hard fight for me.
Starting point is 01:49:14 I didn't know this is what he meant, Luke. Yikes. I mean, Luke, I mean, shades of Mayweather McGregor weigh in. Am I right, Luke? Yeah, well, he had like a frozen steak in his dungarees there, didn't he? Look at that thing. All righty then. I like the arrow in the picture.
Starting point is 01:49:38 Like we need it. Where's the dick? If you look at that thing straight on you're like whoa bro you are fired up for this wow okay luke gross or legit a lot of people sending me this baseball fan or was it nba fan i don't know what sport is it baseball yes luke dipping the dog in the beer yeah i mean he's a dirtbag yankees fan who took the ferry from Staten Island somewhere. This guy is a complete loser. And like every Yankees fan that I've ever encountered, just an abysmal human being.
Starting point is 01:50:11 Wow. That's tough talk from a guy who wore a black Yankees cat with the blacked out logo on this set. Listen, as a man who wears questionable hats and is also a wash dad on vacation you should understand my pain a little bit more than most by the way no talk about how alexander volkanovsky rolled into manhattan for your interview wearing basically fred durst red yankee hat right i did i didn't even realize that at the time more so because i was despondent about the state of things but that's a different conversation for a different time all right lu, Luke, as we mentioned earlier, the UK does it differently when it comes to getting drunk.
Starting point is 01:50:48 Look at this. See this sniper cam at Wembley stadium over the weekend, caught this beer vendor, pouring spilled beer back into the cubs. Oh God. BC. I had a friend. This is true. And this fucker would do it every weekend.
Starting point is 01:51:04 And I just never understood it. We had a friend whose whole bit and this fucker would do it every weekend and i just never understood it we had a friend whose whole bit was we'd go to these bars in college and he would be the guy that would go and find people's empty or like you know half empty pitchers or like a little bit left in their mugs and he would combine everything together and then drink it and do he did it regularly regularly he's now an attorney, by the way, if you can believe that. Luke, you and I met at Mayweather Canelo, September 2013 in Vegas. The first night I was there,
Starting point is 01:51:34 it was the first time I was ever in Vegas. It was one of those situations where I flew at, woke up at 3 in the morning to fly, got to Vegas, did the whole media day thing, whatever. At night, went out for drinks. I was up for 25 consecutive hours. We ran into Andy Ruiz Jr. at the bar who bought us all shots on his own birthday. And that night when I was walking back to my room at the MGM Grand, the room next to
Starting point is 01:51:55 me had a giant table of room service that they had already ordered and eaten. And the only thing that was minorly touched was a bowl about this big of tortilla chips with a giant bowl of guac that only had like two dips taken out of it. I commandeered that whole thing, brought it back to my room, and sat there with my underwear and just sloppily ate it all. How gross is that, Luke? Decent gross or not? That's fucking gross.
Starting point is 01:52:23 That's fucking gross. You don't know if they rub their balls all over those tortilla chips. Maybe that's what the whole thing was for. It's a club where they just rub their testicles on corn chips, and you were just like, yeah, I'm going to eat all of that. Yeah, you never know. Luke, let's go to the soccer stadium here. Look at this drunk Aston Villa fan take a rough header.
Starting point is 01:52:42 Your thoughts here, Luke. Sounds about right. Yeah, that's it. Take a rough header. Your thoughts here, Luke. Sounds about right. Yeah, that's it. Thank you, UK. Like, low-level Premier League teams, I mean, their fan bases are just, it's just sadness porn. You know, you just. Let's go for some mascot violence.
Starting point is 01:53:00 Here's Jake Paul sitting courtside at a Houston houston rockets game and he's getting a little messed with here by the rocket mascot luke boy how about tommy fury on that fight card huh yeah yikes did not i i've never i said this on twitter and it's you know again no one has any comprehension of what nuance is supposed to mean but i was like you can't really be certain because who the fuck knows it's just hard to say but i don't know, dude. I might pick Jake Paul over Fury at this point. Fury is not. I agree. Tell me Fury.
Starting point is 01:53:29 Not good. Not good. Luke, let's go to the Utah Jazz mascot. Now, tell me if this is staged or not, because the NBA teams like to do these stage things in the crowd. This doesn't look staged to me. So here's the mascot messing with some fans. The fan pours the beer back over his head
Starting point is 01:53:45 and now it's on luke okay he's going back in oh shit yo this mascot is great yo this looks real bro is this a mascot or did teen wolf finally decide he had enough yo teen wolf's vertical was ridiculous right damn they're like hey we got this guy who's got this unbelievable biological condition of which there's no scientific explanation you'll pass him the fucking ball get out of the way uh luke loosely related did you see the timberwolves nba playoff game over the weekend in which this security guard perfectly timed this female fan about to run on the court not a fan a climate activist oh really another one of these chain you to the hoop people yeah yeah dude you see what
Starting point is 01:54:32 happened here in dc over the fucking weekend no there was a climate activist who set himself on fire at the steps of the supreme court he fucking died yeah like don't have arc gone wrong yeah that's uh that's not good, Luke. Okay. It's like, dude, I'm worried about global warming too, but I'm trying to see the new episodes of Mandalorian. We're being told the Timberwolves have had three protesters this playoff season. All right, Luke, let's go streak in here. Check out this.
Starting point is 01:55:04 Normally it's the security guards taking out the naked streakers. Look at this guy getting some revenge. That is awesome. What do you think about that double leg? What sorry soccer stadium is this? I have no idea, Luke. But that's a nice twist to get them back for once, right? You know what?
Starting point is 01:55:21 Let them know whose double leg is really the legit one. Well, Luke, we got another streaker in a soccer game. Check out this chick. Her ending not as happy, Luke. Just wearing a bra, which is... Oh! Wow. Wow, Luke. Yeah, she got leveled.
Starting point is 01:55:39 Yes, she did. All right, only in Vegas, Luke, this week. Look what happened at this intersection. Luke, have you spent any time in a manhole before? Maybe in college. What the fuck is that, bro? Can we zoom in here on this guy? I mean, what's the story of this guy, Luke?
Starting point is 01:56:03 Shout out to Vegas Issues. Great. This motherfucker was like, yo, I'm going to find these Ninja Turtles. All right. Hey, Luke, speaking of big slams, did you see this insane amateur wrestling bridge, which they turned into a belly to back, Luke? That's a crazy bridge. All right. Let's see where this goes.
Starting point is 01:56:28 I mean, that's insane flexibility. And then he's going to bring him over the corner. Yep. Boom. Look at that. Yeah, bro, that's wrestling. And then he just gets right on top full mount. Let the boys be boys. All right, Luke. This guy unfortunately got exactly what he asked for. You ever stand up on the bridge of. All right, Luke. This guy, unfortunately, got exactly what he asked for.
Starting point is 01:56:45 You ever stand up on the bridge of the splash zone, Luke? I take my kid to the splash pad. Bop, bop. He got in gone-ood right there. Look, that's great. That's great. Wow. It's like, wow, I didn't know.
Starting point is 01:57:02 BC, I didn't know Peter North north worked at the water park that's crazy uh let's go over to the barber shop you never know what's going to happen there new styles are breaking out all the time a lot of people not spending 100 surprisingly enough uh luke they call this the reverse beard your thoughts people are bored i can't believe he's white bc that's so out of character but could this be the new mullet? Could this be the new mullet, Luke? The mullet is also just an incredibly stupid haircut that people wear ironically and then now not ironically,
Starting point is 01:57:33 even though it's only supposed to be worn ironically. This is just, you know, there's just a lot of people with nothing to do. That's what this is. Let's go to the next barbershop. Luke, I don't know what you'd call this. Did he lose a bet? He's a big fan of spaceships?
Starting point is 01:57:52 I don't know, Luke. You know what I mean? Is that a young Rock Hudson? I don't know, Luke. I don't know that. Let's keep it going, though. Maybe he's a big Conor McGregor underwear fan. Could be.
Starting point is 01:58:01 Hate to puke and juke, Luke but uh here's uh here's vomiting at high speeds we've been there right we've been there again let he who is without sin cast the first stone i have also repainted many a friend's car doing this yes yes i mean luke you know have you ever no i mean you know yeah you've had to pull over driving to do it before. Next morning, I mean, next morning. Oh, yeah. I've done it at stoplights before, too. Yep, yep. Luke, let's go over this. I've also puked over tables at a bar many times, unfortunately, Luke.
Starting point is 01:58:37 I've done many a gross thing in my day. I'm surprised I've made it this far. Hey, did she do... Let me ask a question here. Was she a part of the pregame preview with me and Chuck Mendenhall? Because that's what I did, too. I think so. Doggone it, Luke.
Starting point is 01:58:57 We got one more in the puke category for you. What a beautiful dog, you know? I mean, it happens luke right justine knows shit happens keep getting dogs the size of fucking uh elephants and see what happens uh my dog has puked in my car so many oh god it's the worst uh luke finally this is a late add-on let Let's play the video with the audio. We've seen Stephen A hit the bag before. Luke hit the mitts. Here are the Allen boys. Can you rate their technique, Luke?
Starting point is 01:59:34 I can't get over the river of vomit. It came out of that fucking great dame's mouth. It looks kind of like this asshole's punches. Look at this arm-punching piece of shit. Luke, those two twins congratulated us on winning the World MMA Awards, okay? Yeah, they took money to congratulate us. That's what they did. I talk about the island boy.
Starting point is 02:00:00 Man, that's such a played-on joke. Look at this motherfucker squared up on this other asswipe. Just do it. I mean, they cut their hair, i'll say that they cut their hair they did they did luke that's all the shit i have for the week what a great episode this was even with you trying to hurry me out the door sorry bro this shit we gotta do uh okay great stuff bc i appreciate it um let's see we'll have we'll lean into all next weekend stuff starting on Wednesday there will be some extra credit videos so be on the lookout for that
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Starting point is 02:01:05 No, just a reminder to our fans, we love you. Thank you for making us a part there. BC, any final thoughts before we get out of here? No, just a reminder to our fans. We love you. Thank you for making us a part of your week. You know, three days a week plus all the bonuses. If you didn't check out our reactions, you want a little bit more from what we said, check that out, youtube.com slash morning combat. Nobody, and I mean nobody, does it like we do. Okay?
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