MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC Fight Night Storylines | Terence Crawford vs. Shawn Porter | Jon Jones | EP 230

Episode Date: November 17, 2021

On episode 230 of Morning Kombat Luke and Brian are back to discuss the biggest storylines heading into UFC Fight Night: Vieira vs. Tate and Terence Crawford vs. Shawn Porter this weekend. The boys al...so break down Jon Jones' most recent comments about hitting rock bottom. The WBC announced that they have approved Canelo Alvarez vs. Junior Makabu for the WBC cruiserweight title. They close out the show with quick hitters, The Donk's Wheel of Death and Fan subs. (6:50) - UFC Fight Night Storylines (31:50) - Terence Crawford vs. Shawn Porter (42:00) - Jon Jones (55:00) - Canelo to Cruiserweight (64:50) - Quick Hitters Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:49 Reveille, Reveille, dogs. Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life. This is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell. This is Morning Combat. Hi, everybody.
Starting point is 00:01:11 We are back like the people who try to get you to pay your bills on your predatory loans. We just won't stop. Can't stop, won't stop. Like Diddy, Mace. Hi, everyone. My name is Luke Thomas. Welcome to Morning Combat. It is the 17th of November, 2021, and we are delighted to be here. Fun show planned for you guys today, including the long-awaited return of the Wheel of Death,
Starting point is 00:01:27 which will be handled by my friend and yours, the Viceroy of Connecticut. It's Brian Campbell. What's up, Viceroy? Yeah, Viceroy of the MK Trade Federation. It's your boy, BC, the American Alpha. Feeling good, Luke. Just a couple days away from vacation. And, you know, I don't feel the need to defend myself.
Starting point is 00:01:46 You know, I'm a well-paid journalist, broadcasting entrepreneur myself. So, you know, I do get the time. I can use it. But I'm going to be in Jamaica starting Friday for hopefully my son get the chance to meet his hero, Usain Bolt. So I'm fired up for that. Shout out to the Kids Wish Network for launching that surprise on us. But Luke, today's surprise, as you teased, is not only the return on this Wednesday hump day of really the most celebrated and requested segment in the history of digital combat shows,
Starting point is 00:02:21 the Wheel of Death, but for the first time, Luke, because you know, as I pick my breakfast out of my teeth that uh we are for the people by the people on this show at least one of us is so today luke for the first time are you imagining that you are the populist hero in this equation uh you know you may have more people but i'm certainly more for the people uh lu, for the first time ever, all right? I mean, it is quality over quantity in your life. I get it. For the first time ever, Luke, Wheel of Death Donk Edition. Okay?
Starting point is 00:02:55 Okay, brother? Now, are you feeling this? Considering you had Damien the Donk for the first round of Celebrity Wheel of Death, I feel like we've already done this, actually. All right. I guess we're already off to a great start. I'm excited about it because it gives our donks the chance to get some face time, to have their say, to get their question answered by the great Luke Thomas.
Starting point is 00:03:17 So I've got 10 amazing questions, Luke. You're going to spin that wheel five or so times, and you get what you get. I can't wait. But, Luke, beyond that, man, we've got a big weekend of fights to get fired up for. We've got some big Canelo news that came out of the left field bullpen that I'm excited to chat about as well. So let's do this. All right.
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Starting point is 00:04:23 So always surprises, always goodies. Gift cards are available as well. Lots of things you can get over at morningcombat.store. On the merch front, Luke, next week, you know next week is my favorite holiday, Thanksgiving. Also a big shopping week to kick off the holiday season. And MK's merch store, morningcombat.store, next week is going to have some Black Friday specials coming your
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Starting point is 00:05:02 about that. Of course, if you want to try Showtime, why wouldn't you? You can go to showtime.comcom get a 30-day free trial if you like it you can keep it if not go do whatever you want with your life and of course morning combat at gmail.com that'll be for today's fan subs as we get to them later and then i think we still will do friday's dead wrong we just may leave out the bc edition because bc is going to be out on friday so we'll figure that out but we still want a lot of mystery luke who be the mysterious Friday co-host with a lot of mystery including for me as well as much as I hate to admit this there is no replacing you but I'll find somebody who can help me sojourn on while you go and fuck about in uh on vacation for the
Starting point is 00:05:41 10th time this year you know what I'm'm saying? All right. With that out of the way, good sir, let's get this party started, shall we? Okay. Topic number one. Let's begin, if we can, UFC Fight Night, Vieira versus Tate preview. We'll do the storylines today. We'll do some of the breakdowns of the X's and O's on Friday. BC, here we have Misha Tate. Now, there were a lot of questions about what she should do after her UFC debut, which was a very successful one. A little bit slow going at the beginning, but in the end, she got her hand raised, and by the time the fight was basically over, she looked like, if not the old Tate, something pretty close to it. Here she takes on Ketlin Vieira. In your mind, BC, what's the top
Starting point is 00:06:19 storyline you're paying attention to with this fight? So I'm a little bit confused by this, Luke. I know that Misha was already supposed to come back for a second time before and it got delayed and i know that there was some of us like me going hey let's just make the misha holly rematch already whether it's a fantastic like fight night on abc type main event or you know i can't miss co-main on a pay-per-view but either way we're gonna get misha tape back this week and i think that's certainly exciting given the fact that she's already a Hall of Fame-type legend and pioneer who came back after that time away to start a family. And as you mentioned, look great.
Starting point is 00:06:54 I don't know if she's looked better than ever, but she looked different than ever. And I don't know if you follow her on Instagram, but she posted a celebration of her whatever consecutive USADA test that she passed and sort of put a little, you know, sentence in there that with picks like this, people are automatically going to think I'm on the stuff. And look, it's true. She has completely reformed her body.
Starting point is 00:07:16 She's a tank out there. And I think she's going to lean into the wrestling a lot more during this comeback. So her coming back matters to me. I think she's an interesting attraction. Do I think she can back up her words of coming back and rematching Amanda Nunes and having the secret weapon to change the results of that first one at UFC 200? No. But certainly she's a breath of fresh air to these divisions, particularly women's bantamweight who are not very deep right now. And there's a lot of retread uh i want to see where she can go as far as this specific matchup with katelyn viera coming off a loss and having
Starting point is 00:07:49 lost two or three uh luke i i don't know the hook here i don't know what the storyline is i don't know what's at stake next uh does this feel like a keep you know keep busy move the chains fill out of main event because i kind of want to talk a lot more about this co-main than i do this one coming into this we'll get to the co-main in just a second but to keep it here here's probably part of the reason why this fight was made bc the most obvious one that I can think of if you just look at the rankings for women's bantamweight as it stands today Ketlin Vieira is sitting at seven Mishita is sitting at eight you know a lot of times we go through it the UFC matchmakers they have an idealized sense of what they want fights to be. And then they try to make them.
Starting point is 00:08:28 And sometimes they make them. But sometimes fighters don't want it, can't do it, aren't eligible, whatever. And they have to kind of go down the list. And a lot of times it's like, okay, who's just next to the other person in the rankings? And let's see if they're available. It seems like this is what that is. Because Misha Tate is somebody who I think the UFC clearly has spotlighted for a potential title opportunity if she can get there. But there's still a little bit of due diligence
Starting point is 00:08:51 to see exactly where she is. And so here is the person who's available in front of her, who is available to fight and, you know, has a number slightly higher than hers. That's probably why the fight was made. Because you're right, Like, why is she getting this fight necessarily off of a loss? And she's actually one and two Ketlin Vieira in her last three, albeit some of those fights are more difficult than the average sort of fight, which you might expect. For me though, BC, this is really just about, I think you're right. It's about, we're going to get Tate back. We got to keep her in movement. We got to keep her in rotation. We got to see what we have here. Kit Lanviera, I think, actually is a pretty decent, sturdy test. Not like the most difficult kind of test, but I feel like in the ways in which...
Starting point is 00:09:31 If Tate is locked on, this is a super winnable fight for her. Right? That's sort of the idea here. If the things that she is normally good at are still in place, she should win this one walking away. But we don't know if those things are still in place. Her first fight... Who was the return fight against? It was, I remember distinct away but we don't know if those things are still in place her first fight was who was the return fight against it was i remember uh distinctly i don't marion reynaud renaud who's on her way out yeah right and so marion renaud has like a good guard she has some
Starting point is 00:09:55 decent strikes wrestling's not all that money she was in her 40s this is now we're getting somebody a little bit closer to their athletic prime a little bit more well-rounded a little bit higher in that division in terms of what they can offer. I think moving the chains sort of sounds pedestrian, but if they want to get Misha Tate to a point where they can put her in big headlining fights on big cards or in big attractions or whatever, this move the chains part, this run game, before you start slinging the ball down to the end zone,
Starting point is 00:10:19 it's kind of an important ingredient. What do you think about most books, including Caesar's Sportsbook, having Vieira as a minus 125 favorite and Misha Tate at plus 105? Now, I think that's aided by what you just said. Marin Reynon was on a losing streak, was something like, what, 43, 44 years old and had already announced she was retiring regardless. Doesn't mean it wasn't a potential, you know, struggle for Misha to come back from that much time off. But Misha looked fantastic. Is the way Misha looked against Reynaud a true indication of where her stock is at? Because I was a little bit surprised to see Vieira, given the streak of two losses and three fights,
Starting point is 00:10:58 being the betting favorite coming in here. How much of the betting favorite? Let's see what the odds have. So they've got misha did you know that i just read the odds on the air i know i want to see them myself sorry can i can i can i look at them myself is that all right with you all right so they've got yeah i mean listen people don't know what they have with misha tape right they don't know they don't know she was gone for four years and those were four years that had she fought they would have been what close to her I
Starting point is 00:11:26 mean that would have been her prime that would have been her prime those are prime years that she gave away that gave away but you know went on a different life journey I don't want to judge and say it was the wrong thing to do if that was what she wanted to do with her life then do it but but you just don't know what you got listen some people take time off and they come back and they look like a Rodriguez granted that was two years or whatever, and I know he lost, but he still looked like a million bucks. She didn't look bad in her debut, or I should say her re-debut, whatever you want to call it, but hardly bad. But I think you're right. Did she look like the person who, you know, was claiming titles and beating the brakes off of, you know, Marluz Kunin in Strikeforce
Starting point is 00:12:02 or whatever? No, that's not what you got. So I think they're just trying to get enough. Dude, I mean, we talk about it all the time with younger prospects. Now, this is not her case because she's in her mid-30s at this point and has been a champion and is trying to reclaim a sense of lost glory, I think. But we talk about it all the time. If someone's had an injury time off and they come back, sometimes they look okay with their first five back, but it's that second rotation. It's that second camp that comes behind the first camp back that's the one where okay everything
Starting point is 00:12:30 begins to start working the way that it was supposed to these are all theoretical kentland vr can go in there and smoke her inside one and all this is for naught but it seems like i actually really appreciate what the ufc is doing a lot of times they're like okay let's see how much star power she's got left fuck it let's throw it to the wolves. Either it's there or it's not, and we'll just move on. They're actually giving her a bit of a chance, not an easy road back, far from it, but they're giving her a manageable road back to something a lot more significant,
Starting point is 00:12:55 and they're doing it with just the right amount of sweet, just the right amount of sour to get along the way. I actually think the matchmaking here is pretty clever in certain ways, and this fight for Tate, a good fact finding opportunity. Yeah. I want to, I want to amend my initial skepticism of what this fight represents and what
Starting point is 00:13:12 it is to see Vier as a betting favorite does sort of, um, illuminate what we mentioned about whether that first fight was a bit of fool's gold or whether this is a succession, but Luke, do you think, uh, we will see a, a succession, but Luke, do you think we will see a,
Starting point is 00:13:26 a more, you know, 75% wrestling Tate as this comeback continues, because the motor seems there, the physical strength seems there. She's always been a wrestler first. We know that, but she certainly fell much more in love with her striking during that,
Starting point is 00:13:40 that, especially that UFC or early portion of her career. Can she control and out wrestle Vera forle Vieira for three rounds should she want to? I know it's more of the Friday preview segment of it, but is this what you're looking for in this comeback? So this is going to be the interesting part. Ketlyn Vieira has, to this point, to this point showed incredibly sturdy takedown defense.
Starting point is 00:14:00 So her last five fights, this is Ketlyn Vieira, Sarah McMahon, Kat Zingano, Irene Aldana, Sajara Eubanks, and Yana Kunitskaya. Of those, she lost the Aldana and Kunitskaya fight, but she beat Eubanks, Zingano, and McMahon. Okay, her takedown defense, Ketlin Vieira is at 92%. 92%. Her takedown accuracy is 48, so about 50, which is pretty high. Misha Tate, takedown accuracy, 32%. Takedown defense, 52%. Now, there are a couple of differences there. I think Misha Tate doesn't necessarily mind, I won't say fighting off of her back, but if the fight goes to the ground, I don't think she feels like she's out of it by any stretch of the imagination, even if she
Starting point is 00:14:40 has surrendered bottom position to the person who was executing the takedown. So there is that to think about. Obviously, I also think she has fought better competition overall in the course of her career than Ketlin Vieira has. But to be clear, this is why this test is kind of a little bit interesting, right? We're talking about how they made it at a little bit of convenience, but when you dig through the details, there's a little bit more to it too. What happens if Misha Tate can't get Ketlin Vieira down? Can she beat her striking can she have what other gears can she go to to get it or are we actually looking at this wrong
Starting point is 00:15:11 and her takedowns will be so dominant that yes she had a good run against these other five and whatever else fighters but that doesn't mean anything when she goes up against Misha Tate those stats are utterly irrelevant when that when that time comes we're going to find out it's a very it's a it's it's an interesting test for Misha Tate. If she passes it to me, she's all the way back. I think we just asked the right questions of what this fight offers. Future-wise, Luke, we know Amanda Nunes will defend her Bantamweight title against Juliana Pena coming up in December.
Starting point is 00:15:40 Sooner or later, UFC's going to have to cash in on the Shevchenko trilogy because Valentina's kind of ran roughshod through that division. So, you know, is Tate with a win here? Is the next progression the Holly Holm fight that we want? Or do you think she could slide in there and take on the winner of that Nunes-Pena fight? Well, again, let's go back to the ranking. So here's who's at the top five at bantamweight, to your point. Forget about featherweight for a second.
Starting point is 00:16:07 One, you have Jermaine Durandamy, who's fought Amanda twice. Once as a champion, but twice overall. Holly Holm, who could be back there, but got smoked. Aldana is three. Possible new face for her. We'll see. Four is Juliana Pena, who has leapfrogged her. And then five is Aspen lad who has had
Starting point is 00:16:25 you know a lot of issues misha tate's if she beats katelyn vieira is just basically sitting on the just outside of that or you know who knows how far she could go she might get a title shot i tend to think that there might be one more in front of it but dude this is the thing about misha tate her name was not big enough that when she took time off and came back, they could just go, Conor McGregor, right to the front of the line, win one fight, and you're back. They couldn't quite do that, right? That didn't make sense.
Starting point is 00:16:53 But she does have a big enough name where you do have to ask the question about, okay, maybe she doesn't get the one and the automatic shot, but how far away is she? Three would seem like the most she would be away from two it seems possible this seems possible if the stars align and whatever if she looks really good and beats up kitlan vieira and you know takes her down and smashes her whatever she does i think it's possible she could get a title shot it seems a little bit outside chance but even though there's a bunch of people in front of her,
Starting point is 00:17:26 none of them have that. What name did I read you? Lad, Peña, Aldana. Aldana is the only one you could say has a stronger, accumulative, more modern case than her. I mean, Holly Holm is there too, but she already lost, so that's different, right? Well, Aldana also lost to Holm two fights ago,
Starting point is 00:17:41 which muddies the water a little bit, although I think Aldana is young enough with a punch. Very few women come in here with a punch. So that's interesting. If I could map the future based on the people winning who we think, if Tate wins this fight, I'd love to see her against Holly. I'd love to see Aldana against GDR, although Durandamy tends to be very inactive. And then, of course, if Amanda wins, I'd like to see Shevchenko in that trilogy.
Starting point is 00:18:03 But we'll see what happens, Luke. a lot to look for in this main event after all despite my initial misgivings and look are we all right i've pitched to mk showtime before we should do mk couples therapy because therapy's done wonders for me luke on camera and they keep saying no are you and i all right are you upset at me luke what's going on we're? It's just my daughter's been sick, and I've been in and out of urgent care, and I haven't slept since Sunday, and I'm just tired. I understand and appreciate that, Luke. I'm so sorry to hear it. She's fine.
Starting point is 00:18:34 She's the spirit mascot of this show beyond Britt and Beltran. We love her. Hopefully she'll be all right, Luke. I know she will. This co-main event, though, magic. It's magic. Let's do this. So let's talk the co-main event.
Starting point is 00:18:43 The co-main event is the most important fight outside of Porter versus, not Spence, what am I saying? It was Porter versus Crawford. It's the best fight this weekend outside of that. Certainly to me, I care more about this one than virtually any other one outside of that big one. All right, let's talk about it. Michael Chiesa returns to action against a guy who I noticed a little while ago was like
Starting point is 00:19:07 oh this guy looks like a fucking million bucks Sean Brady so Michael Chiesa is coming off of a terrible loss and really kind of you understand it right because he lost to Vicente Luque you're like okay man whatever Vicente Luque is a good-ass fighter like you win some you lose some you lose some. But it was 325 of the first round, and he got submitted, which, like, the ground is, you know, where Michael Chiesa thrives, and he's looking to get back on track. Sean Brady is an undefeated guy out of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Shouts to Philly, AOTP, JMT, the whole nine yards out there, Juju Mob. You know the whole story.
Starting point is 00:19:41 He is undefeated, black belt in jiu-jitsu, looks like he has been in bodybuilding competitions for half of his life. And this is his toughest test today. He is coming off of a fight against Jake Matthews, the one-time Australian prospect slash future great. And Matthews got submitted by Sean Brady in the third round. BC, I am super high on this Brady kid, but even I can admit, even I can admit, Chiesa is a different level.
Starting point is 00:20:09 What are you expecting between these two? So I love this match, Mickey. It's so good. And the odds, which has Brady as a slight favorite, show you how close this won. I love it for Chiesa because it's a mulligan. He won four in a row. He looked ready as a dark horse to get Usman,
Starting point is 00:20:23 mostly because Usman's beaten everybody in that top ten more or less, except for him and a few others, Luque also being there as well. And Luque beat him, okay, but Luque's on a streak. He seems to be getting closer now. For Chiesa, it's kind of a mulligan to beat a hot guy who's undefeated, has won four in a row since joining the UFC. There's so much to like here. Luke, I don't know how good Brady is.
Starting point is 00:20:46 You mentioned that Jake Matthews fight, which is his best UFC win to date. He still hasn't fought anyone, in my eyes, close to the level of Chiesa. So this is going to tell us so much. Plus, Chiesa has a very difficult ground game when he's on his best. And this is going to test everything that Sean Brady is. And before we get into who and what Sean Brady is, Luke think he watches the show I think he follows us so he follows me on he might follow you on Twitter as well he certainly follows me he likes the occasional tweet I think someone sent him a clip months ago when I said something nice about him and I guess
Starting point is 00:21:19 he liked it because here's the thing dude he was supposed to fight folks who don't remember this he was supposed to fight Kevin Lee and then Kevin he or Kevin Lee I think he got injured someone subbed in for Kevin Lee or uh against Kevin Lee and then I forget who Kevin Lee lost to in his last fight it was the bad one but whatever future PFL champion Kevin Lee is what you're saying yes I guess yeah we said world champion we didn't say where uh but the point being is that fight was supposed to happen and it didn't then Chiesa loses and then they make this one the thing about Sean Brady is not only is this his toughest fight to date it is by far his most high profile by far his most high profile he has not fought someone while he has fought fought good fighters he's not fighting one with the kind of radar or the attention or the acclaim
Starting point is 00:21:59 or frankly the success of a guy like Michael Chiesa but let me give you some numbers I know we do this on Friday I'll do it again on Friday for the Friday show. But this is what stands out to me. First of all, this is where I think the fight's going to be won or lost. If you look at their striking, BC, this is not a contest. I don't think Michael Chiesa can win this fight standing. And I love Michael Chiesa. I think very highly of him.
Starting point is 00:22:19 But you look at Sean Brady striking. Sean Brady's going to knock him out if the fight stands long enough. 4.72 strikes landed per minute for Sean Brady. Just 1.87 for Chiesa. That is very, very low. Now, Chiesa doesn't take a lot of damage because he's usually wrestling on 1.72. And Sean takes a little bit more, 3.6, because he finds himself in the fire. But his accuracy is nearly 60% for Sean Brady.
Starting point is 00:22:41 Dude, can you imagine that? Nearly two out of every three strikes he throws lands. Holy shit, that is high. Here's the interesting part. Takedowns for Michael Chiesa, 3.62 per 15 minutes. Very high. But Sean Brady's at 2.69. Also pretty high. Sean Brady's takedown defense, 100%. Takedown defense for Chiesa, 68. Now that's a different 68 because he's fought much better competition. Fair enough. But dude, one of them is going to have to win that takedown defense for Chiesa 68 now that's a different 68 because he's fought much better competition fair enough but dude one of them is going to have to win that takedown battle and one of them's going to have to win it consistently I don't know who it's going to be but that's where it's going to be won and lost that's it yeah absolutely that's it uh before we
Starting point is 00:23:19 get further on this Luke I was going to you brady has a very aggressive tattoo pattern and there are people in our fan base who of course want your straight hardcore vanilla mma analysis but also i like how you just demean my analysis because i don't make armpit fart jokes and show you that i can pull a nickel out of my ear there was a generation of people once on this earth who thought the only way you can enjoy a potato chip is plain. And then one day someone sprinkled a little bit of that sour cream and onion on it. And they were like, oh, my God. Yours is not sour cream and onion. Yours is like jizz and chives.
Starting point is 00:23:52 It's not nearly what you think it is. That beats fentanyl. So my point is, Luke, he's very aggressive with the tats. Are you a fan of the work? Because you're a very high critic and one day yeah one day luke forget me sneaking up behind you and getting that tap and by the way i could if i committed mr he boss one day oh mr he boss could he might be able to he might be able to yeah okay what do you think of this work here so his work is extremely good now it looks to me like
Starting point is 00:24:22 what happened was he got a few tattoos early in his life or earlier in his tattoo run. And then he realized later on he wanted to switch because you can see the lettering sort of across his clavicles and then across his chest. It doesn't fit the rest. If you actually look at the rest, that is all Japanese traditional. And if you look at the Japanese traditional and the way in which it is set up, especially the color repatterning and you can see how look on his left bicep you see that red line that goes across it's the exact same style that i have here because this is also japanese traditional his japanese traditional work is superb it is very very good in the back he has i don't personally want a back show the back gaff gaff give the back piece. Can you show the back, Gaff? Gaff, can you please show that back shot of him? Yeah, you can't quite see it.
Starting point is 00:25:07 You can kind of see it there. He has a Hanya mask on his entire back, which is not personally a choice that I would make, but you want to ask you about the tattoo application. He clearly spent a lot of money on this. The line work,
Starting point is 00:25:22 the coloring, the shading, the authenticity of the newer ones as it's applied by Japanese standards it's all pretty it's all he checks the boxes the only difference is he's mixed and matched different styles and so that part doesn't necessarily work but the problem with that is I did the exact same thing so I'm no better I like his work and I'm not a usually a huge tattoo fan luke not this fight doesn't produce a title contender next it's not what's at stake here this is more of something for the future and even though there's ufc rankings look that the value of those can
Starting point is 00:25:54 can differ based on the ufc's decision making it doesn't always tell you who's really next in line as you look at the walter weight title picture right now do you sort of have a hierarchy in your head of who's next and and how close would the winner of this fight get to well it's an interesting one sean brady is sitting at 14 between panza nibio and muslim salikov yes is sitting at six i mean you know what this reminds me of at least in terms of the rankings position it reminds me of andrea lee andrea lee and uh, and Cynthia from last weekend, right? Where you had five versus 12.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Here you have six versus 14, where it's like, man, I don't know who said yes to what or who was saying no or what fights were offered, but you don't see too, too many. I mean, they're not like altogether uncommon, but you usually don't see a person who is sitting at six being like, yeah, I'll just fight the 14th ranked guy. I think because Kies is coming off of that loss and not just that, the loss, would you agree, BC? I'm not saying that no matter what, you know, Michael Chiesa would have won. No, it wasn't him that night.
Starting point is 00:26:58 What you're really saying, and he said it afterwards, he said, look, you're not supposed to make excuses on this level, but I wasn't in the right mindset. I didn't, you know, I took him lightly. I mean, he gave all the right answers being like, I'm taking this loss and I'm going to learn from it. So that's why I called this a true mulligan. That was not the very best of Walter Waite, Michael Chiesa,
Starting point is 00:27:15 and you know that. Right. So he's going to come out of here like hell on wheels this time. The question is not so much what it is for Sean Brady, although that's important too. I think if Sean wins this, dude, Sean's going to bump outside to the top 10, outside the top five with this. I mean, all of a sudden he is going to be swimming with the sharks after this. So we're going to find out if he's the real deal Holyfield or not. With Chiesa though, what does he reasonably get BC? I guess the answer would be what you just get to erase the sting
Starting point is 00:27:40 of the last loss, but you will just hold position. You don't really move anywhere. Probably because Luque beat him, but hasn't really cashed in that, you know, the gift for beating him yet. I think the wild card factor for both Luque and Chiesa is they haven't fought, you know, Usman next. I just don't know what's going to happen. I mean, there's a lot of rumors about Hamzat, you know, in talks about maybe facing Gilbert Burns. You know, if Hamzat does that and wins that, he's got to be next.
Starting point is 00:28:07 I don't know if that means next for Usman directly or not, but it's an interesting question because this top 10 has so many retreads, guys coming off a loss or guys coming off of a loss directly to Usman, that you do feel like whoever can maybe have the best win at the right time might be able to jump ahead of the field. Although again, Kiesa is not going to leapfrog Luque with a win and Hamzat has the wild card above all because of, you know, how dominant he looks. Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:39 Any other fight on this card? Tickle your fancy. Well, my fancy, you're tickled usually in other ways than you but Luke Joanne Calderwood's coming back and I think I saw Ariel tweet out that she just got I know she got married because I followed her on the gram Luke but she married a man with the last name Wood so she's changing her name to Joanne Wood so uh John Wood is the head trainer over at Syndicate there you go so she'll be taking she'll be taking on Talia Santos in a women's flyweight bout. That's interesting.
Starting point is 00:29:08 But, Luke, you know I love me some Davy Grant. This Adrian Yanez fight could be something. Well, and Adrian Yanez has incredible hands, remember? He also follows the show, if I'm not mistaken. Oh, he does, yes. He commented on YouTube one time. I will call him friend of the show, Adrian Yanez. Great boxing.
Starting point is 00:29:26 And, dude, another example over at Bantamweight. Davey Grant's, by the way, a phenomenal fighter. He could win this. But I'm just saying, here's another case where, dude, where are Grant? Let me just pull this up. Where are Grant and Yanez ranked at 135 if they're ranked even at all? Yeah, they're not. Look, all these guys joining Billy Q and joining the MK Revolution,
Starting point is 00:29:44 the only problem is, you know, we tell the truth on this show, so inevitably we're going to break their heart and they're going to threaten to kick our ass. You know what I mean? I know. They're going to punch us in the face, and I don't know what we're going to do about it because we like them, but we have to call strikes and balls.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Anyway, I'll just say this. This is a true testament of the Bantamweight division where you have guys opening the main card, number one, opening the main card, and one, opening the main card. And two, neither is ranked. And I bet it's possible you could get fight of the night honors with them. That's how good they are. That's how well matched this is on top of it.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Also, should be noted on this card, you mentioned Hanyaya. Dude, Hanyaya has been choking people the fuck out for as long as I've been covering the sport. Either in Jiu Jitsu or in WEC or now in UFC his run is fucking legendary um at this point and then Tucker Lutz also a featherweight uh card as well don't forget Lupita Godinez is going to take her third fight in four days and has a chance at her second win and possible CTE Luke so it should be an interesting matchup against Loma Luke Boone all right let's move on to topic number two, if we can. BC, you're going to be speaking to both of these gentlemen, I believe,
Starting point is 00:30:47 a little bit later today or certainly before you leave. Hell, yes. Terrence Crawford. Some people think, BC, some people think he's not pound-for-pound above Canelo, but he is not far from that. Certainly somebody who we deserved in the top of that boxing pound-for-pound rankings. Taking on Sean Porter, the fucking boxing tasmanian devil i mean he is just whipping punches from every direction when he hits the go button it's non-stop until the referee
Starting point is 00:31:11 makes them what are the major storylines as you can best ascertain them heading into saturday okay first of all luke this fight is under the radar at the moment. This is a great fucking fight. Oh my God. Real quickly, BC. Just pitch the MMA fan a little bit. In a couple of sentences, why is Crawford versus Porter good? Not just in general. Why is it good for them?
Starting point is 00:31:37 First of all, the welterweight division outside of this heavyweight renaissance is boxing's money division. It's where the superstar players are at. And these are two of the, you know, four or five very best. And look, this is a Terrence Crawford. If you're not that close into boxing, despite welterweight being the star division, everybody, but Terrence Crawford fights under the PBC banner. So that means they fight on Showtime or Fox and they typically fight each other, right? Terrence
Starting point is 00:32:04 Crawford has been stuck on this top-ranked ESPN island, not getting the matchups compensatory with his ability. But as Luke said, you would not be out of bounds having him anywhere between, like, one and three in your pound-for-pound. I know it's crazy. Canelo's number one with the bullet. He is. But the thing what Crawford has is also the thing that's against him. On the eye test, Crawford has is also the thing again that's against him on the eye test Crawford smashes it he smashes everybody but the the problem that comes with that is since we first
Starting point is 00:32:31 kind of knew who he was in 2013 when he took that HBO fight against Bratis Prescott at last minute moved up in weight and we were just like holy shit look at this guy he's fought really b b minus c plus guys since then. Yes, he's won titles in three weight divisions. Yes, he can switch stances on a dime and outbox you just as much as knock you the hell out. But it's hard when you're facing faded names like Kell Brook and Amir Khan or, you know, the Jeff Horn types. It's like, it's hard to really let us know how great you are.
Starting point is 00:33:03 We don't really have an equivalent of this in MMA unless it was somebody who, let's say, was tearing it up in Bellator forever, and you're like, man, I just want to see them against the UFC top five. I really want to find out how great they can be. Despite all that, Terrence Crawford has been really number two pound for pound on my list,
Starting point is 00:33:19 or three at worst, forever. Yes, we're trying to get him to fight Errol Spence. It feels like our generation's Sugar Ray Leonard versus Thomas Hearns, but they're both pushing mid-30s now, and this has fallen behind. Finally, we get Terrence Crawford against an elite opponent
Starting point is 00:33:35 at welterweight, and to have somebody like a Sean Porter, who as Luke mentioned, originally built his reputation on really being a fun brawler. he's like a full back getting the hand off and diving up the middle just coming in throwing everything elbows knees heads shoulders but what happened along the way was he suffered a couple losses against elite guys
Starting point is 00:33:57 and he was forced to change so what he's added to his game if you saw his 2018 win over danny garcia is he's got feints and quick footwork and he constantly keeps you guessing at any time he can step on that gas and go for it but when he went there against Errol Spence two years ago and he pushed him to the limit in a thrilling split decision arguably the fight of the year it really raised his game to a level where you're like he's not just a tough out he is super elite and maybe on his way to like hall of fame status. And I know for some people that are okay. I know Sean Porter. He's okay. But I saw him lose to Thurman in that close fight. I saw him lose to Spence. You're talking
Starting point is 00:34:33 about hall of fame. Uh, Sean Porter has the exact opposite reputation of Terrence Crawford over that same span since 2013, since 2013. I'm sorry. Terrence Crawford really hasn't fought anybody. He's fought, like, good but never great. His closest and maybe best fight in some ways is still that Yuriyorka Scamboa win at lightweight seven years ago during that same stretch. Let me read you the names who Sean Porter fought. And by the way, he fought all of these guys
Starting point is 00:35:00 while they were still in their prime. Devin Alexander. Won and lost, but this is who he fought. Yeah. Devin Alexander, a not-washed Paulie Malignaggi, unbeaten Kell Brook, Adrian Broner who had one defeat, unbeaten Keith Thurman, and Andre Berto who still had shelf life, Danny Garcia who had one loss, or Dennis Ugas who just beat Pacquiao.
Starting point is 00:35:22 Beat Pacquiao, yep. And unbeaten Errol Spence. While Spence has the best resume at welterweight besides Pacquiao because of the victories he's had, nobody has a better resume than Sean Porter in terms of the challenges he has faced. And on that list that I mentioned, he lost a competitive fight to Kell Brook
Starting point is 00:35:40 back when Brook was still legit, and he lost razor-thin decisions to Keith Thurman and Sean and Errol Spence, both in like fight of the year contenders. This guy is like every great era. And this is, by the way, a great era of Walter Waite. I would love if these guys fought each other more. That's my criticism. But this is a great era.
Starting point is 00:36:00 Every era needs that guy who maybe loses, you know, more than you'd want him at the super elite level, but never stops trying, never stops taking on big fights, and most importantly, never stops evolving his game. Sean Porter is so confident. He's strong. He's fast. He is the exact type of fighting style that we need to see Bud Crawford against because we don't really know how great Bud Crawford is. And when I say that, I have him number three pound for pound, right?
Starting point is 00:36:28 I know he's pretty damn great. I think he could be generationally great. I think Terrence Crawford has a shot to be like the Sugar Ray Leonard of this welterweight era. You know, like I'd love to see him against Spence. He has that shot. Porter is the style that will not only tell us the answers to the
Starting point is 00:36:45 questions we need, but Luke will bring out the very best in Crawford. Crawford is a slick boxer who has a dog inside of him. He has a gangster backbone. He loves to fight. Porter is the guy that will make him fight. Luke, the storyline here is that we have a great fighter in Terrence Crawford, and now we're going to find out how great he really is. And, man, you need people like Sean Porter in this sport who put on that hard hat, never back down. I mean, he was trying to get himself a Manny Pacquiao fight a year ago, and he came really close.
Starting point is 00:37:16 Luke, he is always daring to be great. This is going to be a high-speed, I don't want to say train wreck, because it's not going to be an all-out brawl but it's going to be high speed chess and to me that's sometimes the best fights because you'll see a lot of skill but you will also see uh action i mean this is going to be something special on espn pay-per-view on saturday i don't have much to add to that it's a pretty thorough thing the only thing i would say is i think your assessment about his ability is correct which is that he has he has maintained that kind of in-your-face, high-volume style,
Starting point is 00:37:48 but he's made it a little bit more scientific. But I want to go back to what I just said, the high volume. Here's what you can expect from Sean Porter on Saturday night, assuming he doesn't get wiped out pretty quickly, which I don't think that he will. But dude, he is going to be in Crawford's face consistently with work all the time. He has applied, as Brian articulates, a much more significant degree of thoughtfulness to how he goes in there. But at some points, BC, you know as well as I do, he is head in the chest, winging shots to the body, over the top, pushing into fighters, pushing them backwards.
Starting point is 00:38:22 You saw that we had the Berto clip, Berto getting clipped along the ropes. He loves to push guys into corners, into ropes and go to work. We don't know exactly the ultimate upside of a guy like Crawford as BC indicated, but a guy like Porter, if you can pass that test, which by the way, Crawford now closer to 40 than he is 30. If he can pass it at this stage of his career on top of that, it would tell us a lot. Conversely, Porter, if he gets this done, I think would reshape to a degree our understanding of this entire division. Because we've always been like Spence Crawford, Spence Crawford, Spence Crawford. Those have been the two dominant names. Perhaps Porter deserves to be sitting atop that based on all the adjustments and growth he has experienced through the course of his boxing career.
Starting point is 00:39:02 We're going to find out on Saturday. But that is, there's not many times it's like, oh, it's can't miss because two guys are like, you know, super slick and thoughtful. One is super slick and thoughtful. One is very thoughtful, but he has an absolute buzzsaw. He has combined the two. This is a can't miss boxing endeavor. And Porter's a former two-time welterweight champion.
Starting point is 00:39:19 So it's, you know, former champion against current. And the other storyline, Luke, is Errol Spence's future, which no one's really talking about him and ask him about it today, of course. But this is the last fight under his top-ranked deal. The only reason. You said Spence. I'm sorry. Excuse me, Crawford. The only reason why we are crossing the street to make this fight happen
Starting point is 00:39:36 is because the WBO named Porter as the mandatory. And all parties said, let's go forward, you know, rather than have Crawford get stripped. We don't know what Crawford's going to do next. Now, if he does re-sign with top rank, the only good news right now is that they've got, you know, some fighters in the lower weight classes, Teofimo Lopez, a lightweight, Josh Taylor at junior welterweight, who are looking to move up, you know, pretty much sooner than later, and could be potential big opponents for Crawford, who's 34 years old.
Starting point is 00:40:04 So it's not as dire as it was the last couple of years, but should Crawford beats Porter on Saturday, you wonder if he's going to sit at the negotiation table with Al Heyman when he's a free agent. And you wonder if he ends up getting signed there, Luke, because of the fact that he hasn't fought all those names that we love. Errol Spence, Keith Thurman, Danny Garcia, all these guys. There are some big fight. Boots Ennis, there are some big fight potentials down the road for him. I want to see them happy before they get too old, Luke. I don't want to see another Mayweather Pacquiao situation
Starting point is 00:40:36 where they were 38 and 36 or whatever the heck their ages were at the time. And it's like, man, this is great, but it should have been so much better. Or for MMA purposes, the time and it's like man this is great but it should have been so much better or for MMA purposes the equivalent would be something like Chuck versus Vanderlei everyone was nerding out by the time Chuck Vanderlei happened but by the time it happened it was then too late I mean it was it was a good fight but it was even then it was like this is not what it was supposed to be and so you got something fun but not the real thing thing. Uh, okay. Good fight. We'll talk about more about that on Friday. Let's talk about, uh, getting back to MMA here. Topic number three. I gotta tell you, I'm not sure how to approach this story anymore. Uh, my views on it have changed or my views on this person have changed pretty significantly. Uh, but John Jones is back
Starting point is 00:41:18 in the news, much to my chagrin. And he tweeted and there's video of it he was training with henry sahudo henry sahudo becoming something of a talisman for fighters on rebound or trying to retool things either in the case of zhong wai lee or in the case of uh all the things that happened to him john jones but you know i want to say something here before we even talk about this like with this video which by the way daniel cormier was like i don't know if it was photoshopped did you see the story that was floating around on Instagram where he was like fuck Henry Cejudo I don't know if that was real or not yeah I don't understand that at all well they were both members of the 2008 freestyle team I think they were friends and now he's training John I don't know maybe it could be fake I don't know what that
Starting point is 00:41:58 means but I want to ask you what it means that Henry and John are training together but first things first he also tweeted out like maybe rock bottom was the foundation I needed which makes me want to fucking puke when I read shit like that let me ask you something are you surprised no that's not the right word I'll just say this something happened to me and the way I view him after this latest incident in Las Vegas even after he dunked on me I honestly mean this I mean this I swear on my mother's grave I swear on anything that could matter to anybody I didn't hate him I really didn't I was pissed that things went the way that they did I wasn't like pleased about that story or that moment in time but honest to god
Starting point is 00:42:40 I was trying so hard to be as neutral-ish as I could, given the human experience. I didn't hate him. I really didn't. Even now, I don't know him enough or the facts of the case to know that I have that kind of animosity. But I will tell you that the days of me giving him the benefit of the doubt are completely over. I mean, totally over. I don't know what happened in that hotel room in Las Vegas. I don't know ultimately what the truth is. But I do know what the police that hotel room in Las Vegas. I don't know ultimately
Starting point is 00:43:05 what the truth is, but I do know what the police report said. And I heard the 911 call and it ain't good. And I got to say, it is making me quite literally sick to my stomach to watch his ridiculous things that he is putting out on social media about like, maybe this is the best thing I ever needed. This like pop psychology bullshit around super serious problems. And then on top of it, to watch people who I have a lot of respect for in the community put their arm around him like nothing ever happened. Again, I don't really know what happened, BC, but here's one thing I'm going to pledge. Morning Combat will not be the part of the Jon Jones rehabilitation tour.
Starting point is 00:43:43 It ain't going to fucking happen ever. Where are you on like watching him try and like weave back in like, hey, I just done goofed again. Let me get back in there. Let me take my L on social media. And then I'm going to be right back there where I started. Does it not bother you a little bit? He's trying to pull that again here. I think you articulated perfectly what the real feeling is and look to be in this job you know i don't hold things against people like you're saying when they screw up outside the
Starting point is 00:44:10 you know the the fighting area even when it's pretty bad uh you know obviously they can help their cause by being remorseful or doing steps to change and all that but you know i get a lot of people saying uh to us when we make comments of wow mk you must you guys must really have a grudge against john jones because i don't see you on you know gervonta's timeline or other people trying to you know be the the moral police against them and you must hate this guy i don't know i think there's just a difference in the way john has handled himself this time he has constantly had a career in which he's screwed up and to your point again i never held it against him because he's i guess i have sympathy for people living in the public eye for for being imperfect humans as
Starting point is 00:44:50 we all are and making these mistakes with this level of fame and money on them i mean it can't be easy luke um but it's not but these aren't mistakes dude this is pathology this is yeah but but the difference you know between him and so many is he comes back after every mistake. Like, and look, I'm a Christian, but he comes back after every mistake completely leaning in on the, oh, well, you know, I screwed up. But, you know, like, everything's fine now. I'm back. I got it. So it's like it's a constant hamster wheel of the comeback story.
Starting point is 00:45:19 And I fed into some of those comeback stories along the way, even though fellow journalists in the game were like, don't believe anything he said. I was like, no, I want to believe him because I want him. We love the comeback story in America. It's like our favorite thing in sports without question. We'd love that. But on top of that, Jones has this wild card that most people don't have. He has not just great talent. He has all time superherolevel talent in his individual sport. He's Tiger Woods of MMA at his very best, and that's so rare that we forgive those people so quickly because we have a lust to see greatness bloom and fulfilled. That's why I always just sort of go,
Starting point is 00:45:58 ah, man, that sucks. Hopefully, we can get it back together. I want to see him go to heavyweight and try to cement that he's the GOAT and there's no one else. I want to see him go to heavyweight and try to become the cement, you know, cement that, that he's the goat and there's no one else. We love to see greatness personified. It's like a drug to us. So that helps us a lot.
Starting point is 00:46:12 Forgive along with just being like, look, look, look, the last one, the Albuquerque one, the, the, the pull getting pulled over firing the gun. I was for the first time actually sympathetic of him and just saying he's got obvious problems, you know, substance abuse, deep emotional problems based on his, you know, the trauma of his life that, you know, so many people have gone through that I just want to see him come around. But this most recent infraction, not only was it a bridge too far, especially when you bring in the potential of domestic abuse and bring in the kids and all that but luke his response on social media which you just articulated was not only him like dodging the blame and just saying oh hey by the way i figured out i'm gonna stop drinking everything's
Starting point is 00:46:54 fine but like dunking on anyone who's got anything bad to say and then just hanging on the rim i mean making out with his you know his partner and entonging her and then smiling at the camera like fuck y'all you know i'm still in control of this game and just you know not doing anything public that says you know without a without without question i am trying to change i am trying to be a better person so to our critics luke well guys you must hate john what about all those other guys some of these other guys floyd mayweather at times, they're not trying to be anybody who they are. You know what I'm saying? There's so many differences with Gervonta and Floyd.
Starting point is 00:47:34 First of all, Floyd went to jail, number one. But, Luke, what I'm saying is they're not trying to come out and saying, oh, guys, I'm reformed now. Everything's fine. If you have something to say about me, the problem is yours. Did you see those tweets that John took down? have them here here's one also with gervonta gervonta is in his 20s i mean this has been my view on john for a long time dude i know a lot of people who were fuck-ups in their 20s and a lot of my friends who were fuck-ups in their 20s but right around 30 31 32 they begin to realize if i want to do something you know not just with
Starting point is 00:48:03 my professional accomplishments but to be a healthy person that can give a healthy person back to the world, I have to work on that. I have to fix things. So I give young men, women too, but I give young men a lot of rope to just do what they want to do in their 20s. But eventually, man, you've got to get it together. Here's what he wrote. So Gervonta is still in his 20s. Dude, Gervonta could keep fucking up for 10 more years. And he would only be tied with John. Gervonta's not trying to be a baby face he's not trying to be
Starting point is 00:48:30 a villain either he's just being right and he's screwing up he's trying to change john is constantly screwing up and then going oh guys if you don't forgive me the problem's on you and this is getting tiresome when the offenses are piling high and that's why i said what i said where the only way you're going to get through to him is to probably cut him they won't do it for financial reasons but that's why we're at that point and also like you know people like oh what how do you no one would be bagging on getting right in the journey no one would be bagging on um trying to go to therapy and trying to learn and trying to fix yourself and doing all the things
Starting point is 00:49:05 that one needs to do to ameliorate the situation and become a different person but i can guarantee you if you were taking that seriously you wouldn't tweet shit like this which is if you're still talking about what happened in las vegas but you're living in your mom's house your priorities in the wrong place my friend is that what the fuck he thinks this is it's a bunch of nerds trying to go after him because he made a little bit of a slip up and they're just being mean and there's a pile on effect on the internet and it's really no more than that. Quote, you over there focusing on another man's troubles. I'm over here focusing on getting farther ahead of you. Did you read a Hallmark card before you tweeted that, John? Seriously, what the fuck is this? This is not even a remote approach.
Starting point is 00:49:47 I don't take this idea of like, I'm going to use this rock bottom to get better. I don't take it seriously at all. I don't believe it at all. And I got to say, if there's anyone else in MMA media watching this, if you become part without any change, without him showing any change or anything, a part of the Jon Jones recovery tour, you're a fucking fraud.
Starting point is 00:50:04 You're a fraud you are complicit in fraud don't do it he has to answer for these in some kind of public way be like oh luke it's not your business dude the 9-1-1 call what will go is made public the police report is public when it makes it that far it becomes the public's interest i don't want to hear any of this shit it is it is it is absurd it is sickening and we will not have any part of it here i do agree with your sentiment that for the first time i'm i won't say uninterested but but very very uh less interested in a comeback in you know will he fulfill his grand legacy and will he you know when like i i don't care you know like i don't go away mad just go away that's almost where I'm at at this point, Luke.
Starting point is 00:50:45 All right. So let's talk about the fighting aspect. Look, if this was, you know, post-Albuquerque intersection, we'd be a lot more forgiving. It's just you have no rope left, okay? So to post a picture of you lifting weights 24 hours after that incident, like, get off social media. With, you know, harry newman playing
Starting point is 00:51:06 in the background i mean it's like nothing could tell me you take this less seriously than the the gravity of the situation and the complexity of the problem because it's not a simple problem to solve nothing could be a clear indication that he has been taking absolutely none of it seriously the way the way he has handled it now with that out of the way what do you make can you say of John Jones training with Henry Cejudo to what extent did you see a benefit with Zhongwei Li to what extent could you imagine a benefit being there for John Jones it's hard to say Luke it is really hard to say I liked the storyline the idea of could Zhongwei Li fix some of her, you know, round out her game even more, and, you know, they really put that together
Starting point is 00:51:47 nicely in the pre-fight video documentary series to show you that, and look, she did fight a lot better against Rose, maybe not the exact style I thought she would emulate completely, but a fight is a fight, and things happen. What can John Adder learn? I mean, I don't know, this is him now training at what, the
Starting point is 00:52:03 Greg Jackson satellite camp, because Winkle John won't let him in the regular gym, which was finally the first time somebody's standing up. I mean, John has been Teflon this entire run with everyone. So it seems that I don't know what that means toward what version of John. Because, Luke, we are getting to the point where when was the last time we saw him fight? When was the... Was that early 2020 or was it 2019? Yeah, it was February
Starting point is 00:52:32 2020. It feels so damn long ago that I think that there's just so many overall questions, plus he'll be going to a new division. Do I still have some interest in seeing him? Of course, but I don't know what these changes will bring i'll say this it's one it's the one comment i have on training with henry suhuda i don't know what it would mean for henry
Starting point is 00:52:54 and daniel cormier i don't know i don't know if there's anything real with that but i would say as it relates to john i actually don't see it as anything other than a potential improvement um how much i don't know but the one thing I've gone back to over and over is I am in no way saying that John's eventual move to heavyweight will result in definitively success or failure. I don't know. What I'm saying is to keep an open mind about it. This idea that there's this assumed coordination that by the time he gets to heavyweight, it will just be the way that it is. That could be the case. I'm certainly not ruling it out.
Starting point is 00:53:27 My only request is that folks say, well, hold on. It's quite some time later. This one would have been two years plus if he ever gets back. And then it's a new division. And then it's a division that's changed since then. Let's see exactly what it looks like. I'm sure he's going to beat good heavyweights. But can he be champion at heavyweight?
Starting point is 00:53:44 Probably. Inevitably. I want to see. I want to see. So we'll have to imagine what happens looks like. I'm sure he's going to beat good heavyweights. But can he be champion in heavyweight? Probably. Inevitably. I want to see. I want to see. So we'll have to imagine what happens with that. Alright. It's not Friday, but I've got to go ahead and take a dead wrong for topic number four. I've got to eat shit on this one. Canelo Alvarez just beat Caleb Plant
Starting point is 00:54:00 to become the undisputed 168 pound champ. And then last night it was revealed that he and his team eddie reynoso are eyeing a move to cruiserweight now there's a lot more to the story the first thing i want to do before i pitch to ubc is i gotta take my licks someone asked me on my live chat last week last week they go what about the idea of Canelo going to cruiserweight? Dude, it sounded so insane to me that I brushed it off. I was like, bah, he'll never do that. Can you blow up these elements so that people can see?
Starting point is 00:54:33 Yeah, it's a little hard to read. Let me read the question. Someone, and it's covered up by the, oh, there we go. Do you think Canelo would consider moving up to cruiserweight and facing Ilunga, can you go back? Can you go back? Junior Makabu for the WBC Cruiserweight title. Makabu's good, but beatable.
Starting point is 00:54:48 This would be more legacy than money. BC, hoisted by my own petard. This guy was right on the money. How did this happen? I took the L here big time. Here we go with a great meme here. When Luke tells you to get serious about Canelo moving... I think I used the words get serious
Starting point is 00:55:03 about moving to Cruiserweight during his live chat when Canelo was moving to Cruiserweight to take the exact fight you suggested. Yeah, dude, that person was way ahead of the game. All right, what happened? All right, so the WBC had their convention in Mexico City and Canelo's trainer and manager, Eddie Reynoso, went there and he shocked everyone, including the WBC and their panel there
Starting point is 00:55:22 by stepping up to the microphone and sort of saying we would love Canelo to be granted you know a spot as the mandatory opponent for Makabu at Cruiserweight it blew everybody away as it should what I thought was a little bit surprising Luke was the polarizing reaction on boxing Twitter after not just from you know the typically cynical fans but really from the journalists that seemed to be really split so let's look at what this actually means we were you know uh they want to do this in May or June, meaning Team Canelo and the WBC approved it. Now there's going to be negotiations. If they can't come to a deal, it will go to purse bid. But we really seem like it's in line that this will be Canelo's next fight.
Starting point is 00:55:59 Not, you know, 175, not these big names at 168 or a triple G trilogy. This is where he's going. So I got to take my hat off. I'm going to take that side of the line. I'm not trying to be some kind of company Showtime man and hoping Canelo comes back, even though that would be nice. This is what we want from our superstars. Daring to be great, doing things that we didn't think was possible, that they're not even probably sure is possible,
Starting point is 00:56:31 to leave no doubt during their prime and the time they have to show how great they can be. Canelo doesn't want to be the face of this era. He wants to be in discussion amongst the greatest of all time. How do you do that? You keep trying to find ways to attack history and add special sort of, you know, asterisks and little bells and whistles to your resume. This is what the hell he's doing. And to me, it's remarkable. So let's get to the fine details. Who is Olunga Makabu? He's a native of Congo. He lives in South Africa now. He is a smaller heavyweight, or sorry, cruiserweight. Of the elite cruiserweights, he's by far the smallest. He's a rock. He's built like a Mike Tyson. He's a southpaw. And he's on a nice little win streak here with his belt, although we have seen him lost in the pad. He got stopped by Tony Bellew years ago in a title fight,
Starting point is 00:57:16 but he's rebounded nicely. I think he's 35 years old. Is this a little bit of cherry picking in some ways? Without question. Just like Canelo initially moving up to 175 and saying, okay, I got Sergey Kovalev there with a belt who's past his prime but still a big puncher. I think my skills can best that. And we saw what happened. I've been very surprised that I've seen a lot of boxing Twitter go, man, I want to see him against Benavidez or Charlo so bad
Starting point is 00:57:44 that this kind of sucks. Canelo's wasting our time. He's just cherry picking. People, wake the hell up. The guy became a champion at 154 pounds. He fought at Canelo weight for a couple of years because we and his team weren't really sure he was going to be able to compete as a full-size middleweight. Since then, he's beaten everybody at 160 he's won all four belts at 68 he's already claimed the title at 75 and talked to interest about fighting all those guys and now he's going to move up to i want to say 200 pounds because look as things stand right now since 2004 the cruiserweight limit is 200 pounds but there's a little bit of shenanigans
Starting point is 00:58:23 at play here we know the wbc created that fake division called bridger weight between cruiserweight and heavyweight and what that did is they are positioned they are petitioning to lower the cruiserweight weight limit back down to 190 where it was from 2004 all the way back to the beginning um that would make it easier for canelo to make it we don't know what that means for the rest of the division. If so, but even if you're telling me it's 190, do you see how big Canelo is? He's not even a big middleweight.
Starting point is 00:58:52 Would he have more speed and more skills than a Makabu? Yes. Makabu, though, has monster power, and he's a rock-solid cruiserweight in his prime with a recognized championship. This is the same type of crazy dare to be great balls out history that roy jones did when he moved up and fought john ruiz for a heavyweight title that manny pacquiao did when he moved up to junior middleweight and fought
Starting point is 00:59:18 antonio margarito for a belt now in pacquiao's case was there a catch weight of 150 pounds yeah i'm about to say that was a different weight situation there too. Was Margarito a little bit past his prime? Yes. The story is they couldn't put that fight in New York. They had to move it to Texas because Margarito couldn't get a license because of his eye. Because of his eye troubles. And in the case of Roy Jones,
Starting point is 00:59:38 was John Ruiz considered a slow and not a monster punching heavyweight and maybe the easiest of the title holders at that time? Yes. I'm not telling Canelo he has to go and be the best cruiserweights in the world. Go fight Myrus Bredis. Guys, this is a junior middleweight moving up to cruiserweight.
Starting point is 00:59:55 Are you kidding me? If he cherry-picked and did this and found a way to win it, we all deserve to stand there and go like this. Should Canelo want to fight a YouTuber tomorrow, we would all stand here and go like this. Should Canelo want to fight a YouTuber tomorrow, we would all stand here and go like this. Why? Because he has done nothing but seek greatness of late, fighting four times a year.
Starting point is 01:00:13 And by the way, he wants to fight three times next year. So he still could end up fighting all the people we want him to, along with Makabu at Cruiserweight. I'm really just blown away at the people. I'm not saying everybody has to bow down and kiss the Canelo ring, but this is what the hell we want out of our great stars. Okay? To be able to have that in your
Starting point is 01:00:32 history and say, I did that. Sugar Ray Leonard moved up and fought Donny Lalonde for a light heavyweight title, even though he was very small. Was it a little bit of cherry picking? Yes. But Sugar Ray had to get off the canvas to win that fight. If Canelo goes in there against Makabu, as intention is Luke god damn right this is what the hell we want out of our superstars I could not be more in support of it and you know it's only going to open up even more
Starting point is 01:00:56 conversations could he beat a small heavyweight we are watching one of the greatest fighters in the history of this sport using the power and the leverage that he has to try to do things that we don't think he can. Oh, my God. In the modern era, that is a rarity. Savor the damn flavor. I don't know how much to add to that, especially since I had such a poverty of imagination about what Canelo was about. But here's the thing about the move from 200 to 190.
Starting point is 01:01:24 On the one hand bc i don't mind it because that's still 15 more pounds than 175 and 175 he already looked like a tiny little guy at that weight class so you're talking about just in terms of the amount of weight just you know basically two in the lower weight classes that would be two weight classes right because it's usually about every seven pounds or so so you you'd be having that. Then if this guy could make it, he would be a huge puncher for that weight class. I guess the only part that fans are going to be a little bit weird about is the rolling back of the 10 pounds back to where the standard used to be. By the way, the Bridger weight thing.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Remember I told you how my Colombian in-laws were hitting me up about some Colombian boxer? He was fighting for the Bridger weight title. And I told him this ain't a big deal because the Bridgerweight title was literally just invented and named after a kid who was sick. Which, you know, is a nice gesture, I suppose. But it doesn't mean anything for boxing. Still, I guess I got to say, the rolling it back part I don't love. But I guess if you're jumping another 15, BC, what could I even say at that point? You know, look, we don't know for sure that they're going to to lower that weight and but again you know can all can fight whoever he wants this
Starting point is 01:02:28 is going to be an attraction to see if he can do it makabu can punch i mean he's raw that's why canelo's going after him but look they're talking about uh they've had offers to potentially do that fight in the congo do that fight in kinsh, the site of the rumble in the jungle. Canelo has also been talking publicly about maybe wanting to do a fight in Mexico next year. So, regardless of where that thing goes, if they make this a giant event, yeah, I want to see it.
Starting point is 01:02:57 I mean, hell yeah, I want to see it. I'll say this. If anyone from Showtime is watching, which is, you know, we never know, BC. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. If they are are I would love for you guys to go to Mexico City and bring me and BC along well uh that'd be great whether it's this fight or not we've wanted Canelo to try to best what is the boxing attendance record uh Chavez Sr fought Greg Haugen on Showtime in Azteca Stadium in Mexico City Luke what did they do Like 135,000 was the attendance? I mean, they were packing them in like sardines.
Starting point is 01:03:29 I would love if Canelo tried some type of major spectacle, went back to his home country, gave it to the fans, gave them their moment. That could be truly special. I'd love to be there. All right, let's do some quick hits here before we move on to the next segment here. Just a few of these headlines to wrap up.
Starting point is 01:03:44 First things first, I want to go to this one, BC. this one is a great fight i believe brett okamoto broke the news magomed on khalia fresh off of his win at ufc 267 over vulcan uzdemir is going to take on your favorite fighter mahetta tiago santos it is in the works for march 12th bc you have to agree if on khalia can beat a guy like Santos, he can't be too far from a title shot. And the immortal words of Jim Lampley, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Look, you remember that from Pacquiao-Claudio, right?
Starting point is 01:04:17 The old guy's just dropping bangs left and right. Yeah, this fight is fire. It gives Mejeta sort of another shot at maybe you know making one more run he's in his late 30s not the same guy anymore but we got to find out who uncle i have really is mehetta's that elite uh you know sort of super elite gatekeeper of the moment now that you bring that up that josh claudy fight i remember where i watched it it's maybe the last fight i've ever seen in a bar since i became like a professional fucking media guy uh i was at buffalo billiards in dupont circle for anybody
Starting point is 01:04:52 who knows where that is in this area and it's this huge underground bar and they show all the fights and i remember when lampley was like bang bang bang everyone in the bar was like did he just say bang like nine times and everyone in the bar was like bang bang and they were like doing like the fate like the Jair Bolsonaro finger gun thing everywhere they went I was like Lampley not your not your best moment I could be honest by the way that fight was supposed to have been Mayweather Pacquiao but the the negotiations fell apart that's why they had to get Claudio last minute and shout out Luke to uh Joshudy tasting a little bit of that pacquiao uh thunder and then going nah guys i'm good i'm gonna spend the next 11 rounds like this don't worry about
Starting point is 01:05:30 i'm fine here's my best impression of yeah of josh claudy versus pacquiao just do that for 36 minutes just that okay uh all right so that we by the way can't wait for that one sick fight uh ufc's firing all cylinders when it comes to that division, even though Bellatoria is too. Dana White is undecided on the featherweight division as it relates to Amanda Nunes. Here is what he said following the UFC Vegas 42 post-fight press conference. BC, quote, it's going to depend on what the champ wants to do. We've got this fight coming up with her.
Starting point is 01:06:00 He's referencing the Peña fight. We'll see how that plays out, and then we'll figure out what we're going to do with that division i don't know here's what i will say bc if they don't want to pick up kayla and they want bellator to pick up kayla because they just let her pick that up and they're not interested in this division anymore because amanda might be done anyway and we'll see how things go why not just let kayla go to bellator let them have a women's 145 when amanda's done cash it out and be done what's wrong with that scenario that's not wrong at all and it shows they they've never been committed to women's featherweight uh why do i say that because i say this every you know month luke go to ufc.com slash rankings
Starting point is 01:06:35 try and look for those 145 pound female rankings hey luke do you know that they've never been there do you know that there's always been a header and no rankings ever ever they've never put out rankings for this division and obviously we know they've kept it afloat just to sort of let a man to be great but the only ones she's fighting at featherweight for the most part are blown up bantamweights anyway so i'm not against getting rid of it i'm not also not against the idea like i mentioned that one time of of creating a women's heavyweight division that has you know whether you're doing from 135 to 155 or even if you're just doing you know 145 and up you know and then having some type of ceiling on that um that could
Starting point is 01:07:16 be a way to attract a diverse amount of fighters or maybe create a new generation look there's going to be some there's different sizes of women okay look this just in there's going to be some, there's different sizes of women. Okay, Luke, this just in. There's going to end up being a great, you know, 160-pound woman one day or 175 or whatever. So why not kind of have a home for that? I don't know. Maybe you got to prove that first before that's a concept. Kayla Harrison's judo weight was in the 160s, I believe. So she had to get down to 155 and then 145 is like,
Starting point is 01:07:41 she could do it obviously, but she has to be quite scientific with the weight loss to get it. So you're right. I mean, women's MMA just has a long way to go ufc might be betting honestly they might be betting we can cut women's 45 for now if we want and then whenever we're ready to to rebuild it we can just rebuild it whenever we want they might feel like they have that kind of market force and frankly even if they did i'm not sure that they're wrong they can just build it whenever they want so let bellator have it for the time being and see where it goes. I mean, look, if Valentina had not cut down to 125, I don't think that's a division anymore either.
Starting point is 01:08:13 I think they would have gotten rid of that as well. You might be right. You might be right. All right, last but not least, let's move on to the final one. Jordan Burroughs has, by the way, Olympic wrestling champion. I think he's a five-time world champion ncaa champion a couple of times or more i watched the senior season at nebraska it was unbelievable when he did it but he has decided that he is maybe interested in taking
Starting point is 01:08:35 one mma fight he tweeted about it and then later went on the mma hour with erica hawani saying quote i feel like i have this calling where i'm deep down inside when it's all said and done and my body's banged up for good. And I'm walking away and I'm putting away my wrestling shoes. I'll always have that thought like, damn, what would it have been like if I'd gotten into the cage? And I don't want to live with that regret. So ultimately for me, really positioning myself now where I'm like, does this make sense? How does it make sense?
Starting point is 01:08:58 And really just entertaining offers. How can we do this? And he goes on from there and blah, blah, blah. BC, is it a big deal if burrows has one or two fights or is it not a big deal yeah i think it depends on the on the the promotion and the platform if somebody like that like we i'd love to see him against gable stevenson and then may fight right you know okay i can get a jazz for that but if somebody just wants one fight that's 170 versus heavyweight i mean if somebody just wants one fight. That's 170 versus heavyweight. If somebody just wants one fight, though, Luke,
Starting point is 01:09:26 to find out if they can do it and they do it on a regional level or whatever, it's not going to matter. It's not going to hit the spot. If you go to Bellator or PFL and you do it against an interesting matchup and you really sell it, yeah, that could be decent. I mean, he's 33, but he's got such an incredible decorated amateur uh you know pedigree and resume as you mentioned um i'd be interested in seeing it luke and you're right the way difference between those two is uh is a little bit comical but uh japan back in the day when pride was around japan would get these olympic gold medalists and give them these one
Starting point is 01:10:00 two fight runs rulon gardner was you know had a one fight i mean i mean you know they could have done more if they'd wanted to, but you would see a lot of like, oh, I was an Olympic wrestling champ or wherever, and then they would end up in pride for some kind of big prize and then be on their way. I'll say this. If it's just one or two or three, that's cool. I'm not super interested. He gave his career in large part to wrestling.
Starting point is 01:10:21 I don't judge him for it. He did extremely well at it. But is my level of enthusiasm for what could be possible MMA judge him for it he did extremely well at it but like is my level of enthusiasm for what could be possible mma super high given that he did that not exactly not exactly but you know would it be interesting sure it'd be great i would love to see it i just don't i'm not like wow you know this is a game changer what would it mean his prime years would be almost almost certainly over or how about we get get Kyle Dake to do it too, and we get them back together, Luke?
Starting point is 01:10:47 That would be something. That would be something. Dake versus Burroughs. No fucking rules. All right, that's it from EBC. Let's get to the rest of the show. All right, you know what we do on Wednesdays, Luke? Sometimes you can be an old bitch
Starting point is 01:10:59 and don't want to talk about certain topics, so we created this incredible world-renowned segment called Wheel of Death, in which BC questions you know that are put together decently faith and really to produce good faith responses from luke that he doesn't want to sometimes we bring in celebrities but for the first time ever your boy bc has reached out to the donk faithful the people that make up the fabric of what this great show is. The people that live and die with our merch. That consume everything. The P1s, Luke.
Starting point is 01:11:32 And we have for you today, Wheel of Death, Donk Edition. So, Luke, here's how it's going to work. Just like always, we got 10 categories. We have 10 different donks who have sent in the questions. You will take five spins, and if those people are lucky enough, their mug will appear on our show. Special thanks to everybody who has either taken part or said they couldn't do it this time. They'd love to do it in the future.
Starting point is 01:11:55 I love and appreciate all of you. Luke, are you nervous? What do you expect here? What are you expecting? A little nervous, a little excited. Got to take a dump. You know, it's all three. Okay, okay, okay.
Starting point is 01:12:05 I like that feeling. Yep. Your 10 categories this week are under advisement, asexual predators, hold my Hancock, you're in luck, need more plutonium, male enhancement, cut me, Luke. Oh, shit. Where'd the other ones go? Lighten up francis uh we want head and luke's choice if you spin on that one luke you get to pick all right uh let's go let's roll this shit you get what you get.
Starting point is 01:12:45 Here we go. Can I go take a nap while you read this question and then come back after my nap is over to answer it? This is not me. These are the people. Here we go. Under advisement. Hey, BC.
Starting point is 01:12:55 It's Damo the Donk from Australia here. Just answering your message about if I had any questions for your co-host. Nice guy. Never met him. Luke, what's the best piece of advice you've ever been given and why? And secondly, who has the best boxing technique, Stephen A. Smith or Brian Campbell? Stay frosty. Luke, before you answer, Damo from Australia is the man who wrote, sang, and recorded that version of Hero by Ricky Martin and Enrique Iglesias.
Starting point is 01:13:34 Do you remember the end of MK Doc No. 2? I can be your co-host, baby. Oh, I can be your hero, baby. That one, yeah. That's the guy who sang I can be your co-host, baby. Incredible, Donk. Luke, I know you've answered this question under other formats in the past, so if you have to alter your answer in any way,
Starting point is 01:13:51 but what is either the best or great piece of advice you've ever been given? I've been given lots of good advice over the years, lots of bad advice too, which sometimes can be hard to tell the difference. I guess I'll say this. I had a family friend kind of, he didn't exactly tell me this, but the lesson was what I'm about to tell you, which is that I had found through a large portion of my life, I could manually push myself in ways that got me to where I needed to be, right? Through good habits and discipline, whatever your goal is, either an academic goal, a professional goal, a personal goal, whatever it may be, you know, having a plan, executing it, staying disciplined about it. These are all the ingredients of winning, but there was something more. I was saying to him, how do I find a way where I don't... It's not like I have to manually... I have to constantly force myself. I don't want to force myself. I want something to go more naturally.
Starting point is 01:14:54 And what he ended up telling me and what I began to realize over time was that you need good habits no matter what. Good habits about the way in which you approach challenges in life, you need them especially when you have to do them when you don't want to. Like, life is not about all the things that you just want to do. It is about the things, in many cases, that you have to do. And you just have to accept that. And when you do, life becomes a lot easier. But those moments are difficult.
Starting point is 01:15:24 What I mean to say, though, is the ultimate lesson is that I found over time, after talking to this guy, that when I really, really, really cared about something, effort seemed effortless. They always say, oh, if you like what you do, you'll never have to work a day in your life. Okay, well, that's bullshit. Let me just tell you that's not true. However, what is true was when I centered my life around activities I really cared about and that mattered to me and that I was able to explore, nothing felt like I was in that manual, just kind of grinding the gears just to get it done kind of system. So what I would tell you is you will need the skills required that you don't necessarily want to have to get through many of life's challenges.
Starting point is 01:16:12 You need good habits. You need discipline. You need commitment, not just when things are not the way you want them to be, but especially when things are not the way you want them to be. However, to the extent possible, you will find that swimming upstream all the time is too hard. Find things, whether it's a hobby, an occupation, whatever it may be, whatever you're trying to solve for, find something that, you don't have to be good at it,
Starting point is 01:16:36 but find something that you're just naturally gravitating towards and dig in that way. And what you will find is that over time, it's not working the way you remember and understand in that way. And what you will find is that over time, it's not working the way you remember and understand work to be. You will give far more of yourself than you would if you were trying to do something else. And again, we come from a generation BC. Your dad and mine are probably the same in the sense that they grew up being like, listen, you just get a good job and that's what you're going to do. And it doesn't matter if you like it. And that's the way it's
Starting point is 01:17:04 going to be because that's how life works. And our generation was like, I'm going to do whatever I want. I'm trying to sort of thread a needle of a middle ground, but the best realization and advice through this I ever came to was I could get the most out of myself, not by demanding it, but by swimming downstream, but by going into places that I had a natural gravitation towards. And then all of the, I don't have, you know, I'm not greater than anybody else, but to the extent that I have any gifts or inclinations, all of them were brought to life when I stopped trying to swim upstream. But the good news is when I have to, I have the skills to do it.
Starting point is 01:17:37 Luke, I like the very good faith response there. Have you found that I have at times that it can be harder to deal with success in life than failure that, that it's, it's easy to strive when you're motivated by, you know, bad luck or loss or, or whatever, or, you know, being looked over that sometimes it's hard to stay motivated when, when you get somewhere. Yes. Yes yes it can be quite difficult i mean i'm i'm hardly someone who can kick his feet up and be like wow i've i've conquered the game look how well i've done i can i've listened to my sage advice on all these things but i will agree that like when especially when you're younger and you don't have kids and you're like i'm gonna fucking stick it to every asshole whoever said no and blah blah you can actually go pretty far that way but you can't you can't sustain that way you have to switch at some point to all
Starting point is 01:18:30 those good habits you created all that discipline you created and that over time just be sort of becomes who you are so i actually feel like rage induced count of monte cristo ism has a value but the value is short-lived. Absolutely. And to close on Damo's question, he did say who had worse or better boxing form, Stephen A. Smith or your boy BC from that clip we read. I have confidence you would beat the brakes off of that. Screaming A. Smith. Okay, take that.
Starting point is 01:18:58 All right, Luke, spin number two coming up. Let's do it. Hey, my daughter hasn't thrown up today. I am very happy to report that. Asexual. Here we go. Is this you in high school? Hey guys.
Starting point is 01:19:20 River Kitty Ransom's spokesperson here with a question. Luke, you are a powerful and ethical movie producer and River Kitty Ransom's spokesperson here with a question. Luke, you are a powerful and ethical movie producer, and you have the ability to greenlight the next Predator movie. But it has to be a Predator versus movie. So the initial pitches are Predator versus Jason Voorhees, Predator versus Deadpool, Predator versus John Wick.
Starting point is 01:19:57 So which one of those would you greenlight? And who would you like to most see on the silver screen with the predator? If you could choose. All right. Thanks for all of your hard work. Well, this is a great question. Now I have his three choices. It was Deadpool.
Starting point is 01:20:16 John Wick. What was the third one? Gaff. Did you hear that properly? What was the first one? I don't know, but that's a, you see the frame picture of his cat River behind him?
Starting point is 01:20:28 That's River Kitty Ransom on IG. Big fan of that guy. Big fan. The answer is, I don't even need to know all three. The last one, John Wick. I mean, the key to the Predator thing is, having him up against a superhero is like, I'm not saying it would automatically be bad, but it doesn't interest me. The way that Predator always works is that the humans are one-to-one overmatched but that super smart ones and clever ones with the right circumstances can
Starting point is 01:20:49 eventually overcome it dude that's john wick to a fucking t um and you could imagine if it was like a you know remember they always hunting threes so you could imagine to be a team hunting them and they'd kill his dog and shit it would be terrible right like it'd be the first one over again but like him figuring out how to kill predators and predators having their way at least early in the movie i think that would be the best against deadpool it's like dude deadpool's too hard to kill and eventually he's gonna kill him anyway you know so i wouldn't do that uh these are so much better than me doing a extremely painful long intro aren't they yeah um sort of let me put this in because my headphones aren't working.
Starting point is 01:21:26 So you think John Wick could lather himself in mud and yell, kill me! Come here! I'm here! He could do some of that, yes. He could do some of that. Okay. Let me put this back in my earplug here. Here we go. Connect.
Starting point is 01:21:44 Sorry, I had to change them. One of them died. All right, we're good now. Go ahead. All right. Spin number three coming. Spin, spin, spin. Oh, yeah. Hold my Hancock, Luke.
Starting point is 01:22:01 All right. Let's do it. Hey, Luke in BC. It's Ian here in southeast Washington DC. Really excited to be on the Wheel of Time. My question for Luke is if you could be the supreme ruler of the
Starting point is 01:22:13 US for one day and amend the constitution in three ways, what would those three ways be and why? Really curious to hear your take given the show's connection to January 6th. Three ways to me. Hope you all have a great day. Thanks much. why really curious to hear your take given the show's connection to january 6th three ways i hope you all have a great day thanks much so luke uh ian mackinac by the way we own the january 6 jokes better than anyone else i just want to point that out we have taken over january 6th uh ian mack
Starting point is 01:22:39 did not want to be one up by that fine italian couple in new jersey he offered for you and i when we do bc and and DC to go to his house and his wife and I will cook us ramen. That's what he said. Cook us ramen. Okay. And by the way, if he lives in Southeast DC, he probably lives by the ballpark, which means he's living in like
Starting point is 01:22:56 ultra gentrification zone. Well, look, he had your tattoo on his arm. He had your t-shirt on. He had a map of dc over his head this guy yes people are proud to be from here i know that might strike you as weird but it's true um nobody is proud to be from connecticut nobody luke apathy the rapper that's about it yeah that's about it glover whatever all right three changes to the con jesus uh where do I even start with this shit? Would you amend the gun laws, Luke?
Starting point is 01:23:34 The gun laws is an interesting one because it's at this point. I don't know what you do about it. I mean, there might have been a time where I thought that that was a thing where you could do, but like there are so many weapons in circulation. I'm really not sure that that would solve the problem. I mean, if you actually compare U.S. to Japan, like, what's the major difference in how they treat guns? It's not just that they have less of them and we have more, although that certainly is true.
Starting point is 01:23:54 The issue is a lack of gun ownership is consecrated into their laws such that any exception to it is possible but very, very hard to come by you can get guns in japan but it's obviously extremely limited but they have they have built into their fabric no guns basically into their way they govern you couldn't you couldn't really do that now they're just they're they're out there there's a gun for every man woman and child in this country right literally over 300 million of them so changing the Constitution as it relates to that, I don't even know what purpose that would meaningfully serve. I would be in favor of various forms of stricter control, but changing the Second Amendment,
Starting point is 01:24:35 I don't think you can even reasonably do that. I know off-camera you're always like, man, we need to get rid of suffrage. These hoes should be making me a sandwich, not working and trying to vote and shit. I'm always like man we need to get rid of suffrage these these hoes should be making me a sandwich not working and trying to vote and shit i'm always like jimmy i'm not jimmy kimmel circle to circa 2000 honestly i'm gonna have to punt on this one i have never thought it's a great question it's jose it's a great question there are plenty of court cases where um you have a certain leaning preference one way or the other changes to the cost i've really never fully
Starting point is 01:25:05 considered this question i will say that here's some things i want to see which is not an answer to what this gentleman asked i would like to see the abolition of the filibuster for sure number one that's like top of my list no doubt about it um i want to see that i want to see... Change the driving age to 21? Get all these crazy teens off the road, Luke? No, we could lower the alcohol age, certainly, to 18 in certain places. I would not be opposed to that, necessarily. Oh, it's not so much a constitutional challenge,
Starting point is 01:25:39 but removing marijuana from Schedule 1 drugs. I don't think it needs to be Schedule 1 anymore, which would carry the harshest penalties. I think that's completely insane. And what's a third easy law I could change? Not so much to the Constitution, per se. I mean, these are difficult questions to ask. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:26:02 I don't know. Dude, you put me on the spot. I don't have a good answer for you. That's not a question I fully considered. I don't know. Dude, you put me on the spot. I don't have a good answer for you. That's not a question I've fully considered. No, I apologize. Expect a deeper answer, Ian, on the upcoming Luke Thomas live chat, which you can be found anywhere.
Starting point is 01:26:12 Maybe if I've had time to think about it. But that's not really what I'm reading these days. That's not where my head's at. So I don't really know. But certainly the abolition of the filibuster is extremely important. You're like, I'm more into violent pornography these days, Ian. Sorry, bro.
Starting point is 01:26:25 So yeah, all right. Listen, if I don't read these in the comments on Bang Bros, I don't know what I'm doing. Yes, yes. Let's keep this train moving. Sorry about that. It's a fine question, but I don't have a good answer for you. Back to the wheel.
Starting point is 01:26:35 There you go. Oh, yeah. Luke, you're in luck! Let's do this! Luke, with the amount of times that Brian mentions BDE, are you now willing to confirm that whether you or no, he sneaks a peek? And for just long enough to make it extra creepy? From one washed, broken broken farty something dad to two others mk on lara fudd and this is what the fuck not that proper 12 shout which is about as well respected here as mcgregor himself is oh and bc stay the fuck out of my wife's DMs, man. One other person wants to say hi.
Starting point is 01:27:39 Hold on, hold on. I understood seven words of that question. I had to rewind it a couple of times. Shout out to the great Graham Manning there from Ireland. Luke, I don't know if you remember, we shouted him out on his birthday. His wife reached out to us, his wife last year, and I gave him a shout out and you were like, that was nice
Starting point is 01:27:56 and all, but I don't really think we should be using this show to do birthday shout outs and cameo greetings. I don't like that, yes. But that was his dog, Anderson Silva, there. Shout out to uh graham that was hilarious what he really asked luke was with my bde um have you ever caught me taking a peek at the urinal no bc gets real weird in the bathroom although admittedly i mess with him a couple times in the bathroom where like you've been at a stall and then i'll be like oh let's
Starting point is 01:28:19 just share the stall and you'll be like get the fuck away from me i ain't doing that shit which admittedly is a fair response um i just want to say that i thought for i didn't think it was piss but i thought he might have been going there for a second i was like is this motherfucker about to drink urine on the show but he didn't so uh what was he speaking gaelic or what luke well so okay so have you ever been to ireland no i've been once yeah i know you should go it's nice uh the irish reverse super friendly uh this is how they explained it to me and i could be wrong they call it irish like the language that they speak that doesn't sound like english they call it actual irish irish people people speak irish english people speak english um that's that was
Starting point is 01:29:02 the way they they told it to me so what the actual thing he said was, I don't fucking know. But they told me, like, we speak Irish. So there you go. All right. Aaron, go brah. By the time you lose that brah, Aaron, right? Yeah, all right. Let's go to the next spin, Luke.
Starting point is 01:29:21 I need some water, man. I'm getting fucking lightheaded on this medication I'm on. I didn't tell you I've been in the ER Go ahead, spin I've had a rough week Alright, need more plutonium Yep, that's the only way you can get those gigawatts going Here we go Luke
Starting point is 01:29:39 Luke, sending in a wheel of death question Here's my crazy boxers wanting to play ball and tug of war with me. My question is if Jay's got the DeLorean filled up with enough plutonium to take you back in time in history to any three boxing or MMA events in history, and he's going to take you to any three that you pick, combination of boxing or MMA, and you get to go back in time and experience those events as they were in history, in premium seats, as a fan.
Starting point is 01:30:07 But the kicker is you get to see them for the first time for you. You'll go in with no knowledge of what happened. So you're going in fresh for the first time. What three boxing or MMA events would you like to go back and have that experience with? Cheers, fellas. Keep up the good work. Okay, that's a great question. He sent in an updated video where
Starting point is 01:30:34 he didn't stammer as much. I don't know if Gaff got that in time, but shout out to our great fan there. Appreciate that. BC, I would guess the first Ali Frazier, which was at MSG, right the first one seriously that's unless you want to compare that to like lewis schmeling too which was all about you know usa being the germans that's the biggest fight in the history of the sport like there's no question
Starting point is 01:30:58 dude when frank sinatra is your ringside photographer i that's a big fucking fight. Luke, that's in contention for the biggest sporting event of all time. And that's up there with all those soccer matches that put country versus country and all that shit. I would normally say that that's totally wrong, but I don't think that's totally wrong. So number one has got to be that one.
Starting point is 01:31:20 Right? Got to be that one. And just so people that don't know, that's Ali coming back from the break where he had to sit out because of uh you know draft dodging he had a couple setup fights but he was unbeaten coming back to fight for his old title that now unbeaten um joe frazier had i mean you just that's that's movie okay so that's one the second one is easy to pick. Easy to pick, BC. Hagler-Hearns. Not a difficult call whatsoever. With MMA, I haven't missed too many of them, to be honest with you. Maybe it would have been fun to be like at UFC 1 or something.
Starting point is 01:31:55 By the way, I need to get some water after this when we spin the wheel because I'm getting a little lightheaded. So I'm going to keep it boxing. BC, what would you say would have been in the 1980s? The most fun. That's the key here. The most fun Mike Tyson fight to attend the second razor Ruddock fight. That was in the nineties.
Starting point is 01:32:20 And the problem is, you know, he dominated the 80s. So it's like the build to the michael spinks fight was insane that had that same type of feel where spinks was the lineal champion and coming back after a break to fight the new unbeaten champion but that ended in 91 seconds i think you could pick uh leonard her i mean leonard haggler i mean because uh you know sugar ray leonard was coming back after that long retirement yeah but haggler ended up getting a you
Starting point is 01:32:44 know i thought haggler won that one and then he didn't. And it was thrilling. I'm surprised you're not picking more MMA because the theme of the question is you'd be front row and not know what would happen next. You know what I mean? Wouldn't you want to be at like, I don't know, Luke, insert greatest fight ever. Jones Gustafson won. I mean, you know, it could be insane.
Starting point is 01:33:03 It would be incredible. For some reason i don't feel that way about mma like i i was there for a lot of it you know so i know what the i know the spirit of the question is like what if you could have been in this situation i understand but to me it's like if i could go back in time i would want to really go back in time dude rousey home in australia not knowing how that's gonna end sure getting sure that would have been epic yeah that would have been epic. Yeah, that would have been epic.
Starting point is 01:33:25 But, dude, like, am I going to pick that over Mike Tyson versus? Fair. I don't know. You know, it's just, dude, if you didn't live in the 80s and the early 90s, it's just impossible to explain how big of a star Mike. Like, dude, Canelo is a huge star. He's the number one star in boxing. You could combine the star power of Canelo and AJ,
Starting point is 01:33:47 and even that might not be as big as what Tyson was in his peak. For that short window, Tyson was, without question, the most popular athlete, the most worldwide famous athlete of that moment, outside of a retired Muhammad Ali, but of active athletes. And pop culture-wise, with the Robin Givens thing and the 2020 interview in the house
Starting point is 01:34:06 like he became you know one of the most famous people on the planet during that like two three year stretch there all right i gotta spin this i need to run to my fridge right here to get some gatorade yeah take your time luke i'm not going to have to vamp for a second so i'm gonna spin i'll be right back okay all right i'll vamp right here uh shout out to all our great people for these questions there all right male enhancement we'll get to that in a second josh montgomery sorry we ran the wrong video there but a fantastic question i know you've been rocking out with some my morning jacket saw your nice vinyl set up there shout out to the uh the dog as well big fans of you guys luke refilling the cup at the moment uh who's lu Shout out to the dog as well. Big fans of you guys. Luke refilling the cup at the moment.
Starting point is 01:34:47 Who's Luke going to bring in as your replacement MK host for BC on Friday next week? It's going to be very interesting. The ghost of BC is what I'm going to do. I mean, do we go right over the border to Canada to find one? I don't know, Luke. We'll see. All right, Luke, you spun it.
Starting point is 01:35:01 You get male enhancement. This should be interesting. All right. Hi, my name is Melissa. And my question is, if you could get work done and go under the knife, what would you get work on and why? And would you get anything in large? Ooh.
Starting point is 01:35:21 Oh, wow. Oh, wow, Luke, right? Would I get plastic surgery you know it was funny when my daughter uh you can turn the thing off you can turn the thing off in my ear uh when my daughter split her forehead and had to get 20 stitches which was just a fucking nightmare um i remember like right afterwards obviously all of our columbian in-laws were like, is she okay? Blah, blah, blah. And then all of them to a person were like, I know a great plastic surgeon.
Starting point is 01:35:51 Um, it's like, what's that? What's that statement you always say to me about South American women, Luke? Yeah. There's no such, and it's not, they say in Columbia, but it's true basically everywhere there. It's like, there's no such thing as a, uh, uh, an ugly girl, just a poor one. Introducing the new McSpicy from McDonald's. It looks like a regular chicken sandwich, but it's actually a spicy chicken sandwich.
Starting point is 01:36:13 McSpicy. Consider yourself warned. Limited time only. At participating McDonald's in Canada. Because plastic surgery there is dirt cheap. You know what I would get fixed? I had braces as a kid, but I've chipped my front tooth here, and this one just went wayward.
Starting point is 01:36:31 This one just said, fuck y'all, I'm out, and then moved to the front of the pack. I would get those fixed, for sure. That's a definite. You know what? My hair's thinning a little bit up top. Actually, that's a serious question. What is the modern solution, such as they exist, for hair loss?
Starting point is 01:36:51 Because, BC, you and I grew up in an era where dudes were literally on TV spray painting their scalp. Remember that dude who sold the spray paint on the scalp? His name is LeBron James, Luke. I've seen that guy before. So I would fix that. I would fix some of my ganked up teeth. I would fix some of my hair. Shout out to Cy Sperling. He's not only the hair club president, he's also
Starting point is 01:37:12 a client. But Luke, I think you can get injections that create hair follicles. Hair growth? Okay. So I would probably do that. I mean, Luke, I woke up this morning, all my grays are gone. I have no idea how it happened, Luke. Check it out, right? It's great. Yeah. Did you sleep in some shoe polish?
Starting point is 01:37:27 What happened there, guy? No comment, but I got a nice vacation. All right, so hold on. And I would, you know, there was a long time BC, and I still don't like it, but I've just learned to be like, it is who I am. I've always hated my nose. I've got just a giant, smashable, awful nose
Starting point is 01:37:40 that I fucking can't stand. You're talking to a guy who ran into a tree when he was two years old. And now, now it looks like I'm a pro boss. Do you not seriously? Do you know how many people have come up to me and said, Oh,
Starting point is 01:37:50 I saw you on TV talking about boxing. So what's your story? You, you, you know, you an ex fighter. I saw your nose. So it's,
Starting point is 01:37:56 I guess this is like cauliflower air, Luke, you know? Yeah. I, my nose has always been just, uh, you know,
Starting point is 01:38:02 not the worst thing in the world, but definitely not my favorite. I might get that slimmed up a little bit, you know. But what I really want is tattoos, BC. And you can't get those at the doctor. So Melissa's question about getting anything enlarged, we're not going to see that. No, I'm good to go everywhere else. But my nose is ugly and my teeth are crooked and my hair is just falling out like it's on fire.
Starting point is 01:38:26 We do have female fans, Luke. It's incredible, right? Not many. Not many. But some exist. All right. Big time fans. Let's keep it going, Luke.
Starting point is 01:38:34 Let's get all these people involved. What do we got next here? All right. Let's see. Oh, spin. Spin or not, maybe throw the question, whatever you got. Oh, hey. Oh, baby. Oh, God.
Starting point is 01:38:53 Hey, Luke in BC. Aaron here from Sydney, Australia. I'm not just a P1 fan, but a fan pretty much since promotional malpractice, Luke. And good to see you moving on to bigger and better things and bringing up a lowlife like BC. My question for the wheel of death is around social media beef. Fuck you, BC. I say the sharp and aerial beef of late. Let's say BC gets into a social media beef
Starting point is 01:39:21 and it is so bad that a celebrity boxing match is is is called between bc and whoever this person is my question is would you be in bc's corner and would you help him train for this celebrity boxing match and what would you do to get him in shape so that he could be an absolute killer and kick ass during the fight? Thanks, guys, and keep up the great work. I like this question, Luke. I like this question a lot. So let me just state this up front.
Starting point is 01:39:57 Would I prepare BC for a boxing match? Well, if BC has any beef where he ends up having to have fisticuffs with someone, it's probably going to be me but if you remove that from the equation and it's someone else let me just say this without a shadow of a doubt I'm in BC's fucking corner not even a question it would be great
Starting point is 01:40:16 you Rashad a couple toads it would be great so let's say I was like talking shit about Mike Bone on this oh that guy Bone gets a little handsy on the airplanes and he was like, Oh, that guy bone gets a little handsy on the airplanes. And he was like, yo, real talk.
Starting point is 01:40:28 You're trying to, you're trying to frame me as a sexual predator. What do you think? I teach, uh, you know, French children like David a over there, you know,
Starting point is 01:40:34 what are we doing here, bro? And let's say we took it all the way to trailer fight club. Luke, how would you prepare me? All right. Well, I mean,
Starting point is 01:40:43 I'm not, I don't live with you, so I couldn't possibly prepare you. That just can't work. I've moved to D.C. for training camp for two months, okay? Okay, so here's what we're doing. We're going down and I've done this, by the way. He actually extended me an open invite. I used to go a few times
Starting point is 01:40:56 until I realized I was wasting his time because I'm a complete zero, but we're going to go down to Southeast D.C. and we're going to go see Barry Hunter at the Headbangers Gym. And we're going to go down to Southeast D.C. and we're going to go see Barry Hunter. Oh, Headbangers. Headbangers Gym. And we're going to put you through the paces with some of the kids that go through there.
Starting point is 01:41:10 And buddy, you're going to be fucking pissing blood until you're 50. Let me just explain that to you right now. That's where we're going. Should I just hand over my liver on the first day and be like, here you go. Barry Hunter, this is a true story. Barry Hunter, we hit it off. He likes or you know i haven't seen him in years but there was a long
Starting point is 01:41:29 time when lamont was active lamont peterson which was his number one fighter we hit it off because i was covering lamont's career and he's always like come down anytime you can train anytime you want i went down one time i was like whoa this is holy shit this is the advanced class 24-7. It was really, really difficult. But, dude, Barry Hunter will get your ass in shape quick. Headbangers will get you ready. That dude who hit mitts with Michael B. Jordan, is that his name? The guy who played Creed?
Starting point is 01:41:56 Yes. Okay, so the guy who's hitting mitts with him, that big fat guy, is the head mitt holder down at Headbangers. We would get you, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. We would get you hitting all those things. And rashad's gonna have a corner license barry hunter's gonna have a corner license i'm gonna have a corner license whereas a team latori too right latori maybe it's a wild card who knows uh we're gonna corner you and with rashad in your corner with barry in your corner corner and with me in your corner, and with me in your corner,
Starting point is 01:42:26 motherfucker, you can't lose. You can't lose if that happens. Mike Bowen, you're going down, brother, okay? That's right. Team USA all day. By the way, Barry Hunter's going to also be in Gervonta's corner for this fight. He's got Calvin Ford, of course, the noted Baltimore trainer,
Starting point is 01:42:38 but he's very close with Barry Hunter. Barry's going to be part of this camp as well. I didn't know that. Barry's going to be there? That's interesting. Barry Hunter is a... As far as I of this camp as well. I didn't know that. Barry's going to be there. That's interesting. Barry Hunter is a, as far as I'm concerned, he's the dean of DC boxing. Yeah, he's the best. All right, let's keep it going here.
Starting point is 01:42:52 Let's keep it going. Oh, God. You're the worst person in America. i just want you to know that luke thomas is this a hat or a cover and remember watch out for jody jody's coming okay do you understand that joke he emailed me to explain it okay so for folks who don't know when you go to boot camp and you show up and they're like hey campbell you got a girlfriend because they all talk like that because their voices are all fucked up and you'd be like uh sir sir yes sir and they'd be like good you know what's happening to her right now jody is fucking her jody's getting her pregnant your girl ain't shit your
Starting point is 01:43:45 girl is cheating on you and there's always this mythical jody who is banging your girl banging your wife doing whatever the fuck and this would go on for the entire time you're a boot camp it's like oh you're all those push-ups jody's doing those push-ups and your girl forget about her you're now married to the core it was always like that always like that so the jody reference is a uh that's what he's talking about there and then the hat that he was wearing is actually called a popka and it's not a fucking cover so there you go all right that shout out to that dude jeremy he's a uh he gives us a lot of have you seen this shit he's a regular dm man it's amazing how many white males watch the show gaff i think we've hit our i think we've hit our five limit do you just want to play
Starting point is 01:44:26 the other vids we got here gaff what do you want to do don't we have to do fan subs yeah quickly we'll get we'll get in out of this gaff can you can you provide yeah yeah let's just see one hey luke i just wanted to ask you about being a veteran. I know from my time in the Army and overseas, I was taught a thousand different lessons and skills. And while it's never good to define ourselves by our time in the service, I would like to hear kind of the lessons or skills that you've taken with you into the civilian world. For myself, I've kind of struggled with trying to blend those skills that I learned in the Army. Oh, and one question. Do you know a good lawyer in D.C.? I might need one after an incident back in January. Also, go Army. Beat the fuck out of Navy.
Starting point is 01:45:21 Fuck you. That is the guy who did that video luke wearing the half shirts working out i mean could he have less clothes i mean what is he doing um big fan of that guy also nice tattoos from 1990 guy all right um lessons people ask me this all the time i'm never really sure what to say except the same thing i've kind of always said i didn't i mean i did arms in the military, or I was in a combat arms unit. So, you know, everything is super macho, super gung-ho. And I don't know that there's a lot of lessons necessarily to impart from that particular lifestyle.
Starting point is 01:45:57 Maybe if I was in intel or something, I would have a different perspective. But the one thing I always go back to, like the real thing I took from the military service is, and I've said this before, I think I even said this last week on the show, but I will repeat it just for folks who may not have heard and I'll keep it brief. For me, and your experience out there may be different, everyone's got a different life that they have led, but for me, I did not know that my mind was as much of a prison as it was. I did not know. Your mind is interesting because it is at once a prison and it is at once your mechanism to freedom at the same time. And it can be both at the same time in certain ways. It is very complex and hard to articulate. Other than to say, you understand your life and what limits look like
Starting point is 01:46:40 by virtue of the stresses you have put on it at various times in your life. For me, all of those stresses were sent to exponential levels that I didn't even think possible. And then once you are required to operate in that space with that extraordinary level of high stress that you couldn't imagine and a level of physical difficulty and a level of asking of mental acuity. I just was never, ever challenged in that way. And I didn't know, I didn't, I would have
Starting point is 01:47:12 never imagined if someone told me you're going to feel this way, and you're going to have to do it, I would have thought this is utterly impossible. And then you go and you do it, and you realize, oh my God, I've been lying to myself, or at least I have been, like, you have to remember something in your brain. This is why people who give you good messaging, they sound so phony with it. I've always been a misanthrope and kind of curmudgeon-y. But these people who have positive attitudes, here's the truth about having a positive attitude. It is not true that they are always right to have the positive attitude.
Starting point is 01:47:48 In fact, sometimes that will blow up in their face in pretty dramatic ways. But more often than not, the idea is not that one attitude always gets you the results. The idea is, in general, what will yield you over time better results than a competitor way of looking at things. And these people with these really positive attitudes, what they're really doing is not trying to be super friendly towards the world. What they are trying to do is not be in a prison of their own mental making where they can now encounter challenges with a completely refreshed way of looking at them where now they feel empowered to do it rather than burdened by it. And until you have had, you know, you can do the Matrix red pill thing or whatever kind of metaphor you want to use. Until you really, someone took me and completely shattered my worldview about what limits are. Like completely just burned it to the ground.
Starting point is 01:48:36 And when they did that, it left no room for me other than to say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I had no idea I could, this was all at all possible. I had no idea Barb could this was all at all possible I had no idea Barbas is trying to come in dog I had no idea that you could do these things if you really I didn't know that was possible and then you see it's possible then you see it's even possible beyond what that is and so the trick is to just recognize for me that you know you can employ different tactics of discipline and order and whatnot and by the way here's another thing that no one ever tells you yes please close it god damn it these fucking people don't i mean i'm only doing a show
Starting point is 01:49:16 here for cbs sports and showtime they're just fucking comfortable people just walking on in fucking lord i mean just what looks like these fucking south americans are the worst look and my dog too my dog's like yeah what's up bitch anyway the last thing i would tell you is i will be serious about one last thing and we'll close it here if you have not had someone take what you thought were your limits and burn them to the ground if you've not had this awakening it is hard to explain to people that this is possible because they have zero cognitive assessment of that. They can't even comprehend it. And I understand that. I truly do. But it happened to me. I felt it. It was utterly changed by it. That's what I got. But a lot of
Starting point is 01:50:01 these other things that people talk about, I either wasn't enough in it because I was reserved, not active, or I just didn or whatever, but you really gave a good faith, you know, result here. Thank you to all our donks who reached out and took part in this. Yeah. Thank you, Luke. I thought for sure you were going to have Damo being like, yo, if you had to eat feces, what would you put on it? Ketchup or mayo? That's Damien the donk, not Damo from Down Under,
Starting point is 01:50:42 our theme song guy. But shout out. Thank you, Donks. And one more segment. We'll speed through it, Luke. It is, of course, every Wednesday. MorningCombat at gmail.com. The email address when our fans get to share their artwork and put it up on our fridge.
Starting point is 01:50:55 It's called Fan Submissions. All right. We've got mail. We've got memes. We've got pictures of merch. Let's do it right now. Oh, where the it i didn't i didn't even call it up oh boy i mean you know i mean just give me a minute here oh boy why didn't you let barbis, man, that dog's been getting on my fucking nerves. He woke me up this morning.
Starting point is 01:51:26 Fuck him. Okay, we start off with Lil Bro. He says, what's up, donks? Noah here from Manassas, Virginia. This weekend I had the pleasure to make it to MSG for the card of the year. Like a real MK fan, tickets in the nosebleeds where groups of January 6th participants reside at. Here I am sporting my Factory Town MMA shirt with pride after Chris Barnett's spinning heel kick.
Starting point is 01:51:49 Add him to the Factory Town roster, and P.S., I went real cheapo as I waited for 100 subs to purchase my shirt so I could get that 20% off over the live 10 code. Keep coming on. Luke, we got a lot to look at in this picture. Can we blow up that that guy's hair i gotta take you to manassas this guy is manassas times a thousand okay what's up
Starting point is 01:52:12 with that hair he looks like uh he looks pretty a white guy with cornrows like coolio style from the 90s i mean we can make fun of him as it gets oh we can make fun of him but look at what he's pulling luke okay okay little bro okay okay okay listen they get they get busy in manassas you know what they call people from manassas they call them manassas holes um manassas is about you know just from geography it's uh it's about an hour from dc it's not quite right but it's it's a little bit further away and it is uh i dated one girl from manassas and it was actually the richest girl i've ever dated she was fucking her family was stupid wealthy so they had a really nice place but the rest of manassas suck shit so i'll just say that out loud i heard they put out manassas luke all right and uh but that dude that dude looks like he's partying in manassas i bet that guy has
Starting point is 01:53:04 you watch out for them prince william county haters bro yo shout out to noah he shows up at Luke, all right? Yeah, but that dude looks like he's partying in Manassas. I bet that guy has. Watch out for them Prince William County haters, bro. Yo, shout out to Noah. He shows up at the biggest fight card of the year, wears our merch, and brings that with him. Sign me up to be a juggalo too, Luke, okay? Please. All right, thank you. Let's keep this train moving.
Starting point is 01:53:20 This is Gavin. Hey, guys. It's Gavin Vick from Ireland here, repping the donks at Bellator Dublin this weekend with my shirt and my girl with her MK hat. Love the show. Listen to it every day on my commute. Excuse the horrible mustache.
Starting point is 01:53:34 I'm growing it for charity for November, and it's only six days old. P.S. How good was that crowd noise in Bellator, Irish walkouts, or something else? Can we zoom in on what Gavin's got going on here? Here's what I've noticed. It's mostly dudes who like us.
Starting point is 01:53:50 That's fine. And then women who tolerate them. Have you noticed that? Well, that's his girl, Vic. She's got the MK tie-dye hat on. She's rocking the 90s college look with the open shirt, with the T-shirt. Look, I'm all in on these two. In fact, if they'd let me, maybe, you know?
Starting point is 01:54:07 Can we go to the next one? You made it weird already. Yeah, please. Can we remove that from the record, please? All right, Bruce B. is here. Love the hard work and content generation leading up to 268 and Canelo. I started watching MK as an MMA fan only,
Starting point is 01:54:19 but have been slowly developing my boxing knowledge because of your coverage. Here's my dual screens from last Saturday so I can enjoy both events live. I appreciate your passion for the fight game. Thanks for making me a better fan. P1 for life. It's Bruce B. Hey, Bruce.
Starting point is 01:54:33 Thank you. Look, we are really doing that. I know that there's MMA fans that hate us. Okay? Look at this guy with BC on his screen. I know there's MMA fans that's like, get this boxing out of here. But we have turned a few guys back to this great old sport. Okay.
Starting point is 01:54:50 Maybe even there were women too. Also cable management B plus. Cause you only had the one hanging down there and show this guy's house. One more time. My man's got a nice home. Look at this. Yeah. That's a nice setup.
Starting point is 01:55:03 He's got going there. That looks like, well, that's wealthy Luke. This guy's my man's been shopping nice home look at this yeah that's a nice setup he's got going there that that looks like well that's wealthy luke this guy's my man's been shopping at the pottery barn or some shit yeah william sonoma yeah thank you bruce for supporting what we got going on here definitely all right uh jared's here he says hey donks i'm three weeks into a six-month paid paternal leave because i live in a socialist police state called Australia. So much more time to enjoy MK with my youngest. Big fan since day one. Stay frosty.
Starting point is 01:55:28 P.S. The little man's favorite toy is bout it, bout it. Oh, he's got Chewbacca. Dude, yes, Jared. Yes. Yeah, I do. They got a lot of shutdowns and fucking quarantines in Australia that I don't quite understand. But you know what? I know. It's a lot of shutdowns and fucking quarantines in Australia that I don't quite understand.
Starting point is 01:55:46 But you know what? I know. It's fucking crazy. I don't understand. Paid paternal leave for six months, dude? That's fantastic, Luke. Oh, that part's great. Yeah, that part's great. We don't do... How much... Well, your kids were born under different circumstances. But when my kids were born, when my daughter was born, I literally took only two weeks because I was hosting MMA Hour for Stupid Ass Vox at the time and MMA beat. And I also had to get no surgery because I couldn't breathe. So I got no surgery in the two weeks.
Starting point is 01:56:11 My brand new daughter was born and then went right back to work before my nose had healed. That sucked. That was no fun. No fun at all. Thank you, Jared, for teaching MK to your young son. They're awesome. Awesome. All right.
Starting point is 01:56:24 Jack pieces. Hello, boys. All right, Jack P says, Hello, boys. I know this is early, but I thought this should be the ideal gift from BC to Luke. You're welcome. Love the show. It's Jack from Melbourne.
Starting point is 01:56:42 Arby's is selling curly fried flavored vodka for the holidays oh man let's Christmas sort it for BC maybe a ketchup chaser to go with it BC would you try the curly fry flavored vodka sorry I've just done uh if next time I pick my nose can you keep me off camera that'd be great you know all right Luke I would definitely try this and um we we need to do this on air when we do I cannot believe this is a real thing but that's awesome we i will i will try this with you we should you know we should do is i keep saying this you've been blowing me off whenever we do the pre-game preview whatever the dumbass name is we gave our franchise now we need to do it with like stupid or funny liquors
Starting point is 01:57:19 like the terra mana from the rock or arby's New Vodka or maybe some Tiger Thick. Tiger Thick from the Shop Collection. Yes. Or Howlerhead. All the BS liquors. That's going to be great. All right. Mike says, hey, guys, here's proof old Marietta is proud of Luke Thomas.
Starting point is 01:57:37 While Luke is beloved by Marietta, BC has been exiled. He's not on Naugatuck's Wikipedia page. This is Mike from Oregon. So this is true that this is Marietta High School uh but this is not the one I attended the one I attended is no longer I think they turned it into an elementary school and then they built this brand new facility after I graduated I have been inside oh they listed me Luke are you really on their Wikipedia page for Famous Athlete I I guess. I didn't. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:58:06 That's news to me. Dude, that's an achievement. That's legit, Luke. You made it. Do you remember Eric Zier from UGA? Oh, yeah. He played on the Browns. Yeah, I remember that guy.
Starting point is 01:58:17 Yeah. He went to my high school just before I got there. But I didn't go to that particular, you know, apparatus. Luke, that's legit right there. I'm not showing up anytime soon on the Naugatuck, Connecticut, famous notable residents Wikipedia list, okay? Along with Baywatch Nightstar, Michael Bergen, or former Yankees World Series hero.
Starting point is 01:58:38 So the big one was that Google out of nowhere listed me as notable alumni for William & Mary. And it's very funny if you look at the list of notable alumni, it's about 300 names. And it's like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Luke fuck-ass Thomas. It's like, I don't belong on this list if these are the other names. Just clarifying, but okay. All right, Alan W. has something for something for us i think what do we got here
Starting point is 01:59:07 roy jones jr versus fedor i'd rather be fucked to death by a dick walrus he actually misspelled it it's dicked d-i-c-k-e-d all right holy shit that's funny well done well done alan right there what's with the uh pat and oswald frame luke it's his joke fuck to death by an eight dicked walrus oh yeah so you didn't so you did carlos mencia him but you did call it no i i i cited it as soon as i said it i never pretended that i had come up with it rogan don't come for Luke okay please yeah please Jesus all right Joel H says my girlfriend moved to DC for a school psychology job so I drove from Lexington Kentucky to Luke's neck of the woods to visit mostly curious if Luke will describe me as surprisingly normal looking or Funyun munching capital stormer unfortunately for me the former description seems to be reserved for those who are in shape or pictured with a
Starting point is 02:00:04 member of the opposite sex. Joel H., you're dead right. If you got a hot chick next to you, we typically won't talk about how nerdy you look. Luke, which category does Joel fit into? He definitely looks like he stormed the Capitol on January 6th, but then got a haircut to disguise himself from the FBI. Okay, okay. Shout out to Joel rocking that sweet MK shirt underneath, looking good,
Starting point is 02:00:24 standing next to the fallacy of that statue. Luke, have you been to the top of that shit? The Washington Monument? Yes, very fallacious. Yes, I have been to the top of the Washington Monument, yes. Designed by the, what do you call them people? Architects? The Masons, Luke.
Starting point is 02:00:43 I'm sorry, are you under the impression that there's a free mason conspiracy to the washington monument the free masons built everything in washington luke you've ever seen the the patterns of the streets and all that i didn't mention the illuminati or the rothschild so you can back off luke okay much of the architecture of the early city of washington dc was actually french architecture which is why you have the roundabouts everywhere okay i can't wait till the lithuanians come luke okay saul saul says drove two hours to my cousin vicky's baby shower in bowling green kentucky rocking that mk merch everywhere i go they fed us tamales rice chicken spaghetti which resulted in this mk all day every day
Starting point is 02:01:26 even to family functions luke shout out this guy saul right that's his cousin vicky and that was her baby shower so he did not so saul did not make that that transaction happen but he's still there to support rockin mk and i'm down with that luke okay yeah i mean i'm glad she's taking a picture but does she know that she got featured here? Like, in other words, did my man wear the Morning Combat sweatshirt and like, oh, let's get a picture because we ate a bunch of tamales, and then it looks like she's supporting MK, but I don't know if she's supporting MK.
Starting point is 02:01:55 You know what I mean? Like, maybe she's a free rider. That's fair. I mean, she could support whoever she wants, Luke, okay? That's fair. It's a free country. I'm just saying. Also, congratulations.
Starting point is 02:02:04 Absolutely, and thank you, Saul, for wearing that. You've been a regular submitter here. All right, let's fair it's a free country i'm just saying also uh congratulations absolutely and thank you seoul for wearing that you've been a a regular submitter here all right let's keep it going wait guys wait wait where are you on tamales do you like them oh yeah dude i i love all i dude i love authentic mexican food so freaking much not not american mexican you know like when you can find a real place luke the real shit you know what i'm my God. Yeah, there's a place around the corner where they make them by hand, and you can watch them do it. And they're dirt cheap. They're like a couple of bucks for one.
Starting point is 02:02:33 Oh, it's the best. Remember when I threw up in that Mexican restaurant bathroom in Jersey City and I shut down the toilet? Could they have made us walk farther? I mean, we had to walk seven miles to get there. By that point, things know, things happen. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 02:02:48 Hey, guys, Goran Ivanovic here. Astonished with Professor Salt-N-Pepa's reaction to BC's massage story and how it ended up costing $100. It's all good, BC. LT doesn't know. Us alphas, we know. Thank you from Wollongong, Australia, hometown of the great Alexander Volkanovsky speaking of Wollongong a scoop for MK there are rumblings that CKB will not move to the states but could
Starting point is 02:03:13 up end up in Wollongong in the form of freestyle fighting gym not official but an ongoing discussion Luke do you care no um hundred dollar I don't know that i'm against a hundred dollar massage luke that's what they call us bro unless you're going to like a complete full-on you know uh robber craft type place where then you pay when you get a massage though have you ever had a sport massage that's different no i've done sw done Swedish and Thai, Luke, okay? No, I've really never done. I've never done what you assume I've done. I have not done stuff like that. No, I've only, the only, I've had the one time I told you about where the guy was like,
Starting point is 02:03:55 and it was just the most distracting shit ever, and I hated it. Yeah, you have not had a good experience, so you are actually dead wrong on all your thoughts. I might be, I might be. But hold on, the one thing i did the one the one hat i did have that was like beneficial to the ailment that i had was a sporting massage when i had strained my like psoas muscle which kind of connects your hip to your back or your spine and uh it was all tight and the guy dug his fingers deep into my belly and it fucking hurt while he was changing your oil yeah i got I got it, Luke. I got it. No, there was no sexual contact, but after
Starting point is 02:04:26 that was over, I felt better. That is Goran. That's not his last name, by the way. That's the old tennis star, but Goran last night in Australia and this morning in the States, Luke, was at the Tim Zhu fight down under when he beat up on Takeshi Inoue. Luke, Tim Zhu went to the body like a... This dude's for real
Starting point is 02:04:42 at 154, okay? In boxing. Son of the Hall of Famer. He's for real. You4 okay in boxing son of the hall of famer he's for real you loved him zoo you loved him zoo yeah goran was at that fight shout out to him all right let's keep it going this is uh luca or lucas one of the two hey guys i've been a fan since the mma beat i'm loving every minute of mk it really helps me get through the work week i thought you guys might appreciate this photo my wife snapped of me while fishing for two reasons one i got the mk hat which i can say is fantastic for striped bass fishing and two this photo was taken in connecticut near a rough and tumble factory town i travel all the way from jersey to fish these waters that bc calls home
Starting point is 02:05:16 the fishing here is outstanding and the locals are super friendly keep up the good work luca s a proud donk p.s the striped bass i caught this weekend while wearing my mk hat is a small one i caught some nicer ones last weekend but forgot my hat all right luke what do you think of this man well this man is uh living life in the way you're supposed to i'm not a big fishing guy but i get who like i get why people are all the different kinds like deep sea and then fly and then the whole nine yards I I've done, I've never done deep sea, but I've done some of the other ones.
Starting point is 02:05:48 It's not for me, but I do respect it. Like the people who live that life and they go and they catch and they, and they understand, um, uh, you know, the wildlife situation places and whatnot.
Starting point is 02:05:58 I, I really, I, I have a lot of respect for it. It's not how I want to spend my Saturday, but, um, I do think that hat is probably perfect for fishing. Cause it's very floppy want to spend my saturday but um i do think that hat
Starting point is 02:06:05 is probably perfect for fishing because it's very floppy it's like a true dad hat luke what what have you ever you've never hunted you've ever fished not seriously i've i've been next to people drinking beer while they fished i've never seriously fished really yeah so you never like pulled in like a big ass like what's the biggest animal you've ever reeled in from fishing? And don't say some, you know, giant girl at the bar at four in the morning. Well, I didn't. I mean, like there's been people next to me that got small fish, but I don't, you know, look, I don't really care about that stuff, all right?
Starting point is 02:06:37 Wow. I've been to a lot of fish concerts, Luke, all right? You know what I'm saying? I actually once bought mushrooms that a guy pulled out of his out of his underwear i'm not kidding in the parking lot in harford in 2000 on the uh farmhouse tour uh they didn't get us that high though i'll tell you that much yeah all right uh here we go luke this is from julio howdy donks it's julio from montreal here's a succinct encapulation of last week's mkbc you see what happens when you try to do nice things.
Starting point is 02:07:05 Also, anytime you donks really are ready to start selling tokes in the MK shop, I believe you call those beanies in Los Estados Unidos, your northern listeners will empty their wallets faster than Luke's Marine Corps buddies in the Red Light District. Wow. A lot there to take in, Luke. Here's Julie. He's not wrong about my
Starting point is 02:07:25 marine corps buddies they will hire whores like you just can't imagine i mean every time people like the troops are just you know they're so upstanding i'm like well what do you mean by that you know uh they love hookers look what are these these tokays these beanies what the hell is he talking about i'm not i'm not sure i don't know quite i don't quite know what he means by that but uh can we pull blow up this graphic here? It's actually pretty funny. All right, so I'm building a ship in a bottle, which I would never do. But happy Marines Day, Luke.
Starting point is 02:07:52 Thank you for your service. It's not called Marines Day. And take that motherfucking cover off, civilian swine. Yeah, that's about it. That sums it up, Luke. Yep, that does sum it up. Okay. Two more and then we're out.
Starting point is 02:08:05 Maybe three more. This is from MAA Artwork. Hey, Luke in BC. Got my merch finally. International shipping and I love it. Here's page two of the first fan submission of the comic called The Wheel of Death. Last time you said there's no punchline. That's because there wasn't.
Starting point is 02:08:20 It's a three-page comic and I was busy working and defend defending my master's thesis making luke proud bc hope you like it as a fellow artist stay tuned for page three much love from syria and portugal look let's look at this comic strip funny ring ring luke thomas news how can i help you let's see flip it any day now there we go go ahead bc hey luke did you get the request i sent for our new segment yeah i decided not to accept it since i have producer credit we'll see luke we'll see yeah and scene there's there's no third page okay all right that's i know he's like this is a three page comic motherfucker well it's apparently a two page where's the third batch? Okay. All right. That's great. I know. He's like, this is a three-page comic, motherfucker.
Starting point is 02:09:05 Well, it's apparently a two-page. Where's the third batch? All right. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Can't wait to get home. Gonna take a huge shit. Get in the car, Luke.
Starting point is 02:09:14 Don't do anything stupid. You. You. Luke, I don't know about the hooks. Oh, wait. There's more. There's more. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 02:09:23 Okay. Okay. Co-host. Co-host. Co-host. Co-host. Okay. the hooks. Oh, wait, there's more. There's more. Hold on. Oh, shit. Okay. Co-host, co-host, co-host, co-host. Okay, go ahead. Oh, yeah. I told you we'll see, Luke. I told you. So I'm in a drug rug there.
Starting point is 02:09:33 So is the whole bit that you turned down my pitch and then I got you kidnapped, Luke? Mm-hmm. All right. Hey, this guy's a great artist, by the way. I'd have him do an MK comic book in a second. What would it be about that? I'd have better punchlines, but yeah, it'd probably be about that exactly. All right.
Starting point is 02:09:49 Two more and we're out. Michael C. has a scumbag meme. Do you understand this? Yes, I do, Luke. Yes, I do. Yeah. That's really funny. Yeah, you are a scumbag when you dishonor.
Starting point is 02:10:04 I can't stand it when people make fun of a military. By the way, I will say this. It drives me crazy. I have had ex-armed forces member after ex-armed forces member DM me and say, hey, just so you know, we all call it a hat, and none of us would be upset at the way you were joking around. Luke's just an old bitch. I mean, one after another.
Starting point is 02:10:21 I don't believe you even for two seconds. That is in every way. One after another. Let me just tell you, you're lying. just an old bitch i mean i don't i don't i don't believe you even for two seconds that is one after another let me let me just tell you you're lying you're 100 lying because everything about my experience tells me it's the opposite there was actually some people were like well luke's a reserve so we take shit a little too seriously no no no no no no you're lying i want to see these dms i i'm calling your bluff absolutely you're gonna have to see all the dms then if you want to see one you know you don't want to see you don't want to see that okay finally from julian hey bc after you guys film room service diaries and you think luke is going to sleep
Starting point is 02:10:52 oh no my friend he is pacing back and forth in his shitty hotel rooms tv staring down his favorite that's so good that's so good dude is it me or have they are has the artwork this week been very good like really funny this is a uh this is a big episode for the fans from the uh from the wheel to this with i love you guys that's why i wanted to do this if you're not a big fan of our mk community you can go after yourself because uh it's special here luke morningcombat.gmail.com send in your dead rungs for friday i have no idea who luke's co-host will be won't be me yes it won't be you there may not even be one i may just tell him to fuck off i'm gonna enjoy the shit out of myself in jamaica my son won us this trip through the kids wish network so happy um maybe we'll see Usain Bolt. If we do, maybe I'll have him sign an MK shirt and give it to a listener or something, Luke.
Starting point is 02:11:49 Maybe something fun like that. That'd be cool. That'd be really cool. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? If you meet Usain Bolt, you got to do a tip-to-tip picture with him. Or I got to be like, hey, Usain, could you come up with a question real quick for next
Starting point is 02:11:58 week's Wheel of Death Celebrity Edition? Hey, we should do a tip-to-tip split screen. Can you do it? Like, look at the screen. Look at the screen. Let me... There. Wait, wait, wait.
Starting point is 02:12:10 Other hand, stupid. Other hand. Up. Or down, rather. Down. Slightly down. I can't find the hole. Almost.
Starting point is 02:12:19 Almost. Yeah, almost. Almost. Not quite. Yeah, this. Almost. Not quite. Yeah, this is not. I don't like that. I don't like that at all. We tried.
Starting point is 02:12:30 It just wasn't there. We got some last-minute interviews this week on MK. I'll be having with you Sean Porter, Bud Crawford, Misha Tate. So be on the lookout for that over the next four weeks. Headliners. Headliners. Let's remind everyone, morningcombat.store.
Starting point is 02:12:46 We got gift certificates. We've got all kinds of gear. We got everything you could possibly want. It's up and running and it's moving. We have sorted our merch situation. morningcombat.store is the place to go for that. Showtime. It is a thing you can try.
Starting point is 02:13:01 Go to showtime.com. Get a 30-day free trial. If you like it, you can keep it. If not, do whatever you want with your life. Don't forget about that email morningcombat at gmail.com Not sure how we'll handle dead wrongs we will do them but it may just be a Luke edition until Brian gets back and then that means it's going to be like a
Starting point is 02:13:14 heavy BC edition for the following well actually it'll be two weeks at that point. So we'll see how that goes. We'll figure it out but please keep sending them. We do want to make sure we get the records corrected when you guys figure stuff we did out that was wrong and uh yeah like the video hit subscribe give us some apple podcast stuff oh yes uh where's our social you can see b and bc have different names between twitter and instagram but morning combat's name is the same everywhere bc
Starting point is 02:13:37 any final thoughts before your vacation good sir no two two shows this week over two hours luke wow right um enjoy next week luke thanks for carrying the load if you will while i'm gone two shows this week over two hours, Luke. Wow. Enjoy next week, Luke. Thanks for carrying the load, if you will, while I'm gone. Hopefully I'll come back well-tanned and bloated. Yes, come back without... In the words of Jim Carrey,
Starting point is 02:13:59 talking to the elderly person in Dumb and Dumber, don't you go dying on me. Yes. Do you know what part of jamaica i'm going to oh is there a joke here right near the beach boy that's a half-baked joke thank you thank you all right it's not me doing the risen bit all over again it's a half-baked joke all right well good thing your hair looks so natural and normal i mean who you've never haven't aged a day since high school it's unbelievable all right uh for the viceroy of
Starting point is 02:14:30 connecticut for uh me for malca for showtime for everybody else cbs sports and then some thank you guys so much for watching back on friday we'll figure out how that goes we will get you ready for the weekend's fights also i'll be doing both the u post-fight reaction show and the Porter Spence reaction show. Or, yes, no, Porter Crawford, excuse me, reaction show. So we have a lot to do on Saturday as well. Everything is still in motion, okay? Until then, thanks so much. Fuck this, we're out of here.
Starting point is 02:14:57 May all your gains be loyal.

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