MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC Fight Night: Vieira Def. Holm | David Benavidez | Paul vs. Silva? | 304

Episode Date: May 23, 2022

On Episode 304 of Morning Kombat Luke and Brian break down the latest news in the combat sports world. The guys start by recapping the weekend events, including Ketlen Vieira scoring a disputed split decision victory over Holly Holm in the UFC's main event on Saturday. Plus, David Benavidez made quick work of David Lemieux and is Jake Paul vs Anderson Silva finally a fight to make? Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back on this great Monday, the 23rd of May, 2022. I am right up in your face. I don't know why they zoomed me in this way, but they certainly did. Hello, everyone. I am merely one half of your hosting duo on Morning Combat, the best goddamn podcast there is, which is not true, but I'm going to say it just the same. I'm Luke Thomas.

I join you from the capital of Estados Unidos right here in Washington, D.C. Joined by my, he was red like a lobster on you know he was red lobster on friday today he's more beef and cheddar arby's he's the viceroy of connecticut it's brian campbell what's up brian campbell hello uh luke thomas great to be back uh doing the the thing luke that makes me feel the most happy you know i mean you know short of my real life right like the things that really matter to me but in this fake world of fake bullshit doing this show luke i mean it just feels great right you know let me say this bc let me ask you this if you if what what what fast food item embodies you most right like i Like, I was calling you Red Lobster Friday. Today, you know, more Beef and Cheddar Arby's.

Like, what represents... Not, like, Arby's Taco Bell, but, like, what piece of order? What item? I would say that the Beef and Cheddar kind of, you know, kind of represents what you're getting from me. You know what I mean? Beef and Cheddar. I'm going to be a double-decker taco from Taco Bell. Yes. Yes. That's what I'm going to be a double-decker taco from Taco Bell. Yes.

Yes. That's what I'm going to be. Yes. Hope you had a good weekend. Hope everyone out there had a good weekend. We did as well. We got some fights to react to. UFC fights and some scoring controversies.

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And Luke, I try to throw you a little curveball sometimes because I look at this as as, you know, theater, Luke, these ad reads and you're very much like and then they fought this person and then they fought this person. You know, that's right. I'm like, you see, I meant to tell you. So I took my kid to, you know, it's called gymnastics, but it's really they just mess around on like, you know, gymnastic like equipment for three-year-olds and a little bit of coordination and a little bit of like you know hey let's practice this front roll but then it's mostly just kids playing with bubbles and listening to incanto whatever so i took my kid to i took my kid to gymnastics on saturday morning wasn't even thinking had the morning combat shirt yeah that has the porn hub like uh you know design uh features no i was wondering why i was

getting so many weird looks that morning and then i realized oh right i wore this one didn't even occur to me i wasn't even thinking about it you're like do i wear the death metal t-shirt that embodies like people getting hung by their you know cut off head or do i wear the adult film uh site reference looking podcast between two washed dads yeah that's that's a it's a wonderful life luke you know i mean yeah so many choices uh all right with that in mind let's get this party started we have a lot to get to today so without further ado let us begin topic number one we will start of course as we customarily do with with the Ultimate Fighting Championship. First things first, so Ketlin Vieira scores what can only be called a disputed, but nevertheless,

a split decision victory over Holly Holm in Saturday's main event. Now, BC, a lot to unpack from this one, but the first thing first is the judges had two scorecards, 48-47 for Vieira. One of them had it 48-47 for Holly Holm. So there was no 4-1. There was no 5-0. It was all 3-2, no fouls, no point deductions. That was just the way that it went, which inherently should tell you that it was pretty close to begin with. So let me just ask you this. First, how did you score it? And second, do you understand the controversy controversy what do you make of it i scored three rounds to two for holly holm and you know you saw her in the interview afterwards every response

sort of circled back to well i know i won this fight i think i won this fight i think she did win the fight i do think it was close enough in certain periods where it lacked maybe next level aggression and offense to just to leave somebody with no doubt in an argument. No, it didn't have that. There was enough. It was a close enough competitive fight. I just think overall, I saw Holm do better work, even though it was her opponent that was landing the more damaging blows.

I just didn't think there was enough of them from Vieta to overcome the good work you're seeing across the board that home was doing now do I understand the the the controversy yes but I'm almost more focused on Holly Holm had to work really freaking hard to get the scorecard on my card I mean she had to use almost everything she had left and I'm not sure Luke even with Vieta having a good performance land you know landing her power going five hard rounds I don't think Holly Holmes should be going life or death with with this level of fighter so uh you want to talk about that judging scoring sure I thought they got it wrong

but it's close enough where it could have been either way and I think I expected more from Holly Holly Holm in the end? I have a very similar-ish feeling to what I had with Rose versus Carla. Now, that fight was worse by a lot. I mean, I'm not saying that they're equivalent. Please don't misunderstand me. And this one had a lot more to like. Like, for example, this rear naked choke nearly closed the show in the second round. Credit to Vieira for throwing it on there. Credit to Holly Holm for slipping out the inside left shoulder and escaping it.

So there were definitely way more punctuated moments. I don't want folks to focus on just that. But the point I do want to make is here we have yet another weekend where we have both the commentary crew who are as esteemed as fighters as they come, and we have fighters in the cage obviously these are a-level fighters who all seem to be a little bit not clear on what the scoring criteria is and what is valued and what should be pursued and what counts i know it sounds insane when i get up here and i say oh uh you know most of the major figures in the sport don't seem to understand the scoring

criteria i know that sounds insane it also sounds like insult. It is not designed to be an insult. I think if you have a problem at scale where you have this many people confused about it, then the folks who are in charge of changing it should probably have done a better job of getting the word out. I genuinely mean that. That's not some kind of dodge or cover. Truly, if the problem is that pronounced, you have to do better about it. At the same time, BC, this is really the operative condition. Fighters are putting together strategies

either on the fly or ahead of time and executing them and then getting confused about why it's not going their way. Let me point out something here. You had Holly Holm reach for a double or a single. She would catch it, wouldn't get the takedown but would get capture the leg drive viera into the fence and then control her with an underhook and a head on the same side of the underhook driving her over

now understand something from that position what holly holm is told to do underhook head on the same side of the underhook controlling controlling head position, right? Catching the far wrist, catching the far bicep. She is the one, by the clinch terms, controlling it. By clinch terms, that is the dominant player of the two. But the judges aren't trying to award people who have the best clinch per se. They're not trying to award people who have the best takedowns per se or the best footwork per se. What they are judging is damage. What they

are judging is offense and control in the clinch, while valuable and important, by itself is really not going to go very far at all in scoring. There has to be something that pushes the offensive quotient in terms of damage. There has to be something that pushes the offensive quotient in terms of danger. And that position is a safe and reliable position for control. It is not a safe and reliable position by itself, absent something on top of it for offense, offense that the judges value, offense that the judges count. And it is alarming to me. I genuinely mean this. It is alarming to me that A-list fighters and A-list commentators week after week after week seem to think that because they know how to fight, which they most certainly do, they most certainly know how to fight, that that confers upon them an understanding of how to judge and what judges value.

They are distinct. They have overlap, but they are not the same skill. When people say we should just get fighters to be judges, this in no way solves the problem by itself without an acknowledgement that there is a scoring criteria that the vast majority that i can tell of fighters seem to at least at a bare minimum not be clear on bc this is a i'm not going to call it a scandal but this is actually a very big issue in the sport that seems to not be getting the attention that it deserves you you've got the right argument i just think you have it at the

wrong time meaning i don't think this fight was similar what was that very recent bellator main event what was it beta versus beta in uh congo no no the one where uh mvp and logan storley there it is exactly uh mvp and logan storley in the end i believe was judges and in that case i guess big john mccarthy who sided with the judges in terms of what he saw i don't think that they were necessarily going the letter of the law of the scoring system. So the argument that you just made right there, the take, I think works better in that type of fight, in that direction. I don't think Holm lost this not understanding the scoring system.

I think that's where the difference is. I think Holm was, she had intention in her offense when she had the quote-unquote control position. Now, what I'd said earlier was I don't think she did enough damage, basically, where you can go to the scorecards with full confidence. But I'm not upset with Holly Holm thinking she won that fight because, Luke, at the end of the day, yes, Vieta landed the more damaging shots, but how much activity did Holly need to have mixed with the control, mixed with the busy offense to, in most people's eyes, either equal or better what Vieta did with

the damaging shots? I think Holly did enough. I thought when you mix in the control she was trying to get for the takedown, she stood her up. I know that's not the most exciting stretches we saw, but I thought I saw Holly do enough and look offensive enough. I think your argument is more for when somebody's trying to win a fight completely on control. No, it's not. Did you not see enough offensive intention at home, Luke? Just to be clear, when you say offensive intention,

help me understand what you mean by that. Aggression, really. A point, look, every fighter seems to understand that in a position where nothing's happening, if they can stay busy, they're showing intention to the judges that even in this crappy position where I'm really working for control, I'm at least giving you the visual illusion that I'm going for and trying to push forward. I think Holly Holm filled a lot of those dull moments with at least giving you the visual illusion that I'm going for and trying to push forward. I think Holly Holm filled a lot of those dull moments with at least that. I'm not saying overall she landed so much in terms of damage that there's not an argument here.

There is an argument. It's a close-ass fight. I don't think Holly Holm missed it. I think the judges just didn't prefer what she put out there. Okay, so to be clear, as we mentioned, it was 3-2, 2-3, 3-2. So I don't think Holly Holm has a poor argument for winning.

That's not my argument at all. And I also, obviously, if she feels disappointed, that's entirely understandable as well. But remember what her first comments were as soon as the fight was over. She said, I'll give a round two. Now that was the round with the choke. Fair enough. Okay. But she thought she won all the rest of the rounds and it was no big deal let me explain something if you and i are apart and i level change and i grab your leg and i drive you to the fence i have

a near side under hook and a head of the head on the same side i drop the leg now we are there you are being pressed into the fence i am winning this exchange i am winning this control position between you and me as far as the judges are concerned, it's not to say that it's meaningless, right, because I am initiating some kind of offense, but it's worth that much to them. Once I get there and I press you up against the fence, the only thing that matters from there

is what kind of damage you are scoring. The value of getting the underhook and then the near side head control, the value is that now with this underhook, I can move you, I can turn you, I can off balance you, I can lift you, I can do all kinds of things. Plus, because I have the head on the inside angle,

I now have a better angle for dominant strikes. Simply arriving to that position, being basically a wash in strikes in the clinch, and then at distance which is what the judges have must have determined that Vieira was doing slightly better which is I think all you could really say Vieira did a you know a few rounds you did slightly better that to me should not be surprising to anybody the fact that I initiate the clinch and that I control it but I don't really afterwards meaningfully put damage behind it. It's not to say that the clinch is irrelevant.

It's to say as far as the judges are concerned, you may have initiated and controlled the clinch, but you didn't use it for any kind of effective offense thereafter. So like she's saying, I controlled the rounds for the majority of the time. That's absolutely true, but not with offense. Okay, well, number number one she also had good moments and striking at distance including that series of three straight front kicks that was landing like she started like it wasn't as this holly's banking on what she did in the clinch

i get what you're saying that nothing really counts until the clinch is established then let's see who lands you know better but holly is still throwing more and landing more when she's in those control positions. So I get what you're saying. That doesn't alone best. Once they were on the fence line, it was a wash. There was no discernible difference. I don't think it was a wash.

When someone's forcing the position, I get what you're saying. That's not supposed to be judged. But once she gets there, dude, she's dictating. She's landing a lot of those clean left sidearm shots. I don't know. I saw enough intention from Holm to score it for her. I do understand that she didn't land enough. You're giving her a grade on effort.

Can I finish? Can I finish the sentence? I do understand that she's. Can I finish? I mean, it does suck when people cut you off, right, BC? Well, look, I had to stand firm because you're not getting the cue that most people with great chemistry have that when the other person starts talking, you let them in because you trust them that they're not going to take it over for three minutes. You know, they're either coming in to make a correction or make a bad-ass joke.

You know what I mean? Go, go, go. She didn't land enough damage to not be in the spot where there's an argument. But I don't think you discount completely because she's not landing huge flush shots. Dude, she's the only one in some of those sequences throwing anything that has to matter for something when you're doing the mental math and you're a judge and you're adding up everything you see.

It's got to add up to something to add into the... Let me explain something. If I have a minute, let's say there's just... I realize a round is five of these, but I'm just trying to make it more digestible as a point. If you initiate the clinch with me in the same way that she did, and you land those shots in the clinch, a couple of, you know, knees to the thigh,

a couple of lefts over the top where she was throwing or whatever. And then we separate and I've hit one time on my lead left hand and I rock your head back. You don't win that minute. I win that minute. I win that minute. And you saw a lot of that where they would have some separation and Ketlin wouldn't land much. I agree with you numerically,

not a whole lot, but it would have a more demonstrative effect. Now, again, I'm not saying that there's no case for Holly home. There is a case for Holly home, maybe even a better case than the one for Ketlin Vieira. I think the point I'm trying to make here is we need to tamper back the confusion about how judges are arriving at

these positions. And part of that confusion stems from the fact, we need to say it explicitly, elite fighters who of course know how to fight seem to be very confused and not clear on what the judges are looking for. And all I'm pointing out is if you get a little bit more symmetry between that, I think you're going to get fewer of these situations, which of course are arguable in either way. What is not arguable is that rounds one, three, four, and five are clearly homes. No, they are not. No, they are not. You cannot push somebody into the fence,

use a control position where you have literal advantages positionally, and you don't really meaningfully add any offense, and then when it separates, you get your head rocked back. Dude, you're going to lose rounds that way. It's just the way that it goes. Let me counter that. We get a lot of people whenever we give our take on who won a UFC championship fight, you know, do the judges get it right?

Well, I think, you know, Whitaker had a case in the second Adesanya fight. We do a lot of that, right? It's podcast filter. But a lot of people come back at us and go, BC and LT, like, did you not see all those calf kicks, for example, in whatever fight you're talking about? You know what I mean?

Did you not see this? Luke, did you not see the constant, constant knees to the thighs and legs by Holm? Again, I'm not saying those are of the same equal strike for strike as a big left hook from Vieta, but I'm just saying there's a lot of these little moments of activity from Holm, and there was intention, and she is chipping away at those legs. They got to add up to something.

You can't just say, oh, she won that minute because she landed one left hook you're scoring on five minutes luke you get it i understand but dude what are those supposed to mean if it doesn't in any way inhibit her movement like it didn't do anything it didn't leave a mark it didn't inhibit her movement she was she was uh relenting to the position but it's more than just what's happening with your legs there's a lot of upper body slows them down it's like go to the body it slows people down luke dude go into the when it slows you down, you can visibly see it slow her down. It didn't do anything. It didn't mark her up. It didn't do shit.

Like, what do you want me to say that it did? Did I see that it landed? Yes, I saw that it landed. Did I see that home was working? I will give her credit. Her work rate. See, that's one thing. Her work rate was high.

Holly Holm was working the entire time. I'll give her that. I will not deny her that. No doubt about it. She was working the entire time i'll give her that i will not deny her that no doubt about it she was working the entire time but she was working with a strategy that was not i mean i feel like we're missing the debate here the debate is how is it we're in 2022 and we have very elite members of the mma circle in this case commentators and fighters who are not clear on what the judging should be. We can talk about how Holly maybe has a better case than Vieira, and maybe that's the case.

But the real controversy comes from the fact, oh my God, what are the judges doing here? Dude, the judges, you can make an argument for Vieira. It's not in any way implausible. And if you're saying, well, I'll give her the second, and then one, three, four, and five are all mine, dude, no, like that's just not. And if you believe that it's because you believe that based on probably a set of principles that don't line up with what the actual scoring criteria is. And BC, because we keep revisiting this theme, I feel like that's the story here.

Not whether or not there's an argument for home, which of course there is. Yeah. I mean, I disagree with you and that's fine. i just think you have the right argument for the wrong fight i i think the judges just missed that home did enough but you know it's going to always be that debate luke when it's close of singular powerful strikes again versus how much average level landing is going to eventually trump that and i don't think i mean there's a debate in that luke i get you're scoring aggression and damage above all else i absolutely understand that but how much aggression and damage wins you around if you've

landed you're not scoring aggression and damage you're just scoring damage first aggression doesn't come into it unless damage is even damage wasn't even bro okay so i gotta ask you how how secure can you be that if vieta lands two hard visible strikes that you saw how much do you really know that the rest of the round holmes constant this or that doesn't equal that's what i'm saying luke right so i mean this this is this is part of the reason why judging is inherently fraught with peril it's not an easy job no matter how qualified or how clear everyone is on the scoring criteria. Fair enough. You're just trying to guess.

In some ways, you may not know. Maybe her leg was hurting like shit the next day because it all added up. I don't know. But what I can say is you have to make a determination in real time. Meaningfully speaking, what can you say that those strikes did? Did they change her? Like, for example, if someone takes a hard leg kick and it reddens up and then they switch stance because now they have to hide it dude that kick landed you know that landed other times it can be hard to tell i guess what the judges are saying and by

the way i should be clear i'm defending the judges but i also want to say because the judges never have to justify themselves after the fact we have no fucking idea exactly what their their thought pattern was because we're now forced to make some kind of guess about it. But I'm going to guess in this situation here that if your head gets rocked back, that is so demonstrative as to be both memorable and then quite valuable versus sort of rabbit shots and charley horses. I'm not saying it doesn't matter, but if it doesn't change their movement pattern, if it doesn't swell up, if it doesn't do something, what is the value?

I don't know that there's a whole lot of value for the judges. I just think it touches on an area that you can't see the potential in internal damage. And that can become fishy when somebody who's landing the bigger power shots didn't land enough. Because would I rather get punched clean twice or would I rather get punched at three-quarters strength repeatedly for four minutes you know that's the debate luke so you know maybe we can be the first show that that makes it official friendly we'll get judges we'll get refs to come on here we'll do a weekly segment they don't ever want to talk dude i've tried to do a weekly segment what does keith peterson smell like i mean it could be it could be epic, Luke.

We could be the safe home for these officials to come air their griefs, all right? To move the conversation along, I thought Dean Thomas, who, by the way, I mean, Dean Thomas might be the first commentator I've ever heard say a UFC fighter looked old. I mean, usually commentary in MMA is very walking on eggshells. Did you agree? Do you think Holly Holm looked old? Yeah, I teased it earlier. Even as he said that, I didn't want to necessarily believe it because, you know, Holm has these stretches

where she's controlling the fight. She is, but she's also busy and landing and doing a lot of stuff. But in the end, particularly over those championship rounds, four and five there, where, you know, Holm is trying to land this plane, but Vieta where, you know, home is, is trying to land this plane, but Vieta is, you know,

coming out with these, these, not enough of them in my eyes, but these offensive bursts that are landing and doing damage. I think home Luke ultimately had to pour it, like pour it all out. I mean, it wasn't,

you know, it wasn't blood and guts, but just short of that, I think home had to exert too much to get a win over somebody that I think, you know, two, three, four years ago, she can do with much more ease. So is she getting older? Did we see it on this night? Yeah, I think we did, Luke. Even though I thought she won the fight?

Yeah, it's harder for her to establish and hold a control, a pattern that she once did with ease. That's got to answer it, right? Yeah, I would agree with you. I thought she looked, well, I thought she did look physically strong, right? I thought she looked physically strong for the weight class still. Obviously, she's in tremendous physical condition, right? You can see that she's very muscular and whatnot. So that part was the same. I guess it's a little hard to tell on video, you know, fight to fight, although she'd been off for a while and whatnot. But yeah, I definitely thought age might have been showing a little bit towards the end there.

And again, dude, like with a different, maybe with a different judge, with a different, you know, slightly different effort or whatever, or, you know, shot selection or whatever. She could have easily won this one. It wasn't like, here's the thing, dude, Vieira won this. This was not a mandate though. Like you ever seen someone win a big political election and they win with a landslide? It's like, okay, the voters put this person in because they really believe in what this person has to say

and they really want their ideas pumped in there. You know, this was not like, if this was a number one contender fight, the result doesn't feel like that affirming for the winner here, no? No, it doesn't at all. i i felt like wow when when the decision got read because i didn't agree with it but i think more importantly this is a win that's gonna gonna launch vieta to some very big opportunities that based on her performance

here which was gritty i'll give her that for sure you know still almost finished the fight like still had some big moments. I don't think it was enough to give me the confidence that she's title ready, that she's going to be, you know, that she's not going to get, that someone on the level of Pena, who's the champion, Nunes, who's trying to get it back, and they just, by the way, announced that for July 30th as the main event of that pay-per-view this summer. I don't think that it doesn't come across as a win to me.

Maybe I'm being extra critical here, Luke. Maybe I'm caught up on some subconscious Holly Holm super fandom, but I wasn't impressed overall by what Vieta showed us here. Fair enough. I can understand that. All right, so let's go to point number two here. BC, we talk about the co-main event from the UFC uh Michelle Pereira getting easily the biggest win of his career albeit close albeit again another split decision beating the Argentine Santiago Ponzinibbio via split and of course the co-main event as I indicated okay same question again BC how did you score the fight and then there wasn't a lot of debate about the scoring here,

although, again, the third round was obviously a great one, and the fight overall was pretty good as well. Yeah, it was a great fight. Is the takeaway that Pereira is finally ascending, or is the take that Ponzinibbio is descending, or both? Inevitably, in the end, both. But I like the first one much more. Yes, Pereira is ascending and

he is only 28 not 35 like i i thought and yes i needed to see a really serious performance which i thought ponsonibio could demand of him and let's give ponsonibio credit he came out of the gate slow at 35 he doesn't seem to be uh you know who we thought he could be on this comeback now, one and three there. But, you know, he made it tough as hell in that third round. But even with that, Luke, I'm seeing a, when he knows he needs to be, I'm finally seeing a responsible, poised, gritty Michelle Pineda because he had to do this not with the dancing and the flipping and the craziness.

He had to bite down and fight. And it's not as if he wasn't vulnerable in that third round but he's got a good chin for being a guy who takes such big chances he's in sick shape as we know would i have loved if this was a little bit more efficient and wrestling friendly like we saw in the chaos williams win yeah of course he took some big damage but yeah luke for somebody like me, who's been so critical of Pineda, this is exactly what I needed to see to finally believe it. He's got a five fight win streak. You know, would I favor him to win the title tomorrow? No, but this was another sort of wrinkle in his game that he had to show me to get me to buy in on him. And I got to give

it up to him, dude. This is, this is a gritty ass professional win. I mean, I didn't see any of that bullshit, Luke. And I don't say bullshit because I'm some old guy sitting on a porch telling you to get off my lawn. I want to see everything you do be aimed at getting the win. This time he did that, Luke. Yeah, he really did. I really agree. I would say that, again, we've seen him fade a little bit over the course of a fight. He didn't fade in a horrible way here, but definitely Ponzinibbio was turning it around.

If it had been a five-round fight, I do wonder who would have won that one, because Ponzinibbio was obviously doing a lot better in the third, although even then, Pareda was doing pretty well. I mean, BC, remember what we said on Friday? What did we need to see? Yes, could he win via some explosive blah, blah, blah, blah, blah? Yeah, maybe he could. But could you do more than prevent defense so he got away from all the craziness and then went to like a very defensive kind of posture could he then round it back out and then

make some offense behind it yeah that's exactly what he did even when he was backing up and using lateral movement he was still out striking Ponzinibbio early and through the middle parts of that fight and even later on he was still getting inside and Ponzinibbio was coming real wide and couldn't find the right shots now to your point BC because he faded down the stretch I do wonder about what happens when he gets to the upper end of that division to be clear as good as the offense was there still needs to be I think more to really make you believe he could do something you know noteworthy at the upper end of this division like there's still a lot of growth that has to happen,

but it's got to mix in the wrestling. Luke, he's got to mix the wrestling. It's got to be a major threat into what he does. It just kind of went away this fight, right? It did. But I mean, compare this fight, not just the quality of opponent, right? Because we're asking, is it coming or going? You're right.

It's a little bit of both. But, you know, compare the way this fight looked and the way Pereira fought to like his early UFC fights. You can't even tell it's the same guy. It's amazing how different he looks in his evolution. Like he clearly was like, okay, I'm going to be here for a little bit of fun and then change his whole mindset up. And to the point about being 28, dude, he's got two more years really to work on it before he gets to the center of his prime. And a guy this athletic might have a longer prime than most because he's obviously a crazy good athlete so my point being

is dude like is this guy ready to beat Gilbert Burns tomorrow no I don't think he's ready for anything like that but is he clearly showing that a his past appears to be behind him yes and is he clearly showing he is now i'm going to say a contender worth not title ready but worth taking seriously there's no doubt in my mind at this point that's true absolutely i but you know to to always be critical and fair everything i said everything you said absolutely he's going in the right direction but i got a little bit of concerns mostly luke that he does love to brawl and he can out brawl the guys on this level while still taking some damage back, but he's not going to be able to out brawl any of the elite guys.

So that's why, you know, look, work in progress, but yet on a five fight win streak, he's got to start showing the balance, the double threat, you know, of the ground game and what he can do. And obviously dipping back into his magic bag once in a while to have the threat of something big and crazy without leaning on it and gassing himself out. But I do, you know, if he goes that third round, he kind of leaned on whatever he had to get through Ponzinibbio's big shots.

You do that against the very best, you're not getting out of that fight. So that's my concern. But Luke, for a guy on a five-fight win streak, Pineda's not even in the top 15 right now at welterweights. After the fight, you know, he's not using words like Usman and Colby. He's called out Jorge. He called out, I believe, Nick Diaz, maybe Nate, maybe both. I'm not really sure. Is this a good move to try to get the BMFs of the world to go, oh, here's a firecracker. Let me go play a fight with him and make a fun action fight. Is that the right move in your eyes to try to get his name known more if you're a potato? Yeah, it's as good as any movies he's going to get.

You're right. A, he's not ready for the truly upper end of that division. And B, they wouldn't take fights with him anyway if he even got offered them but these ones seem a little bit more doable aging guy who might brawl a little bit make it fun and exciting a little bit but is beatable he getting this guy's big for the weight class strong for the weight class of course those make sense it was just weird that he was like oh you know jorge slid into my wife's dms and then Jorge posts it and it was because his wife had sent him a nice note to Jorge and then Jorge

just responded with like a thanks almost. It's like that did not go the way I was expecting it to go to be quite honest with you. Right? Yeah. That was bad. For Santiago Ponzinibbio BC, you mentioned it. The dude hasn't had a KO win since beating Magny since November of 2018.

He now currently sits at 35 years of age at 170 pounds. That's not over the hill, but it's a little bit alarming, especially since he had that long layoff between 2018 and 2021. What is your read on what the future holds for him? When he came back from that nearly two-year-long layoff for multiple injuries it was go time there was an idea he his brand was like oddly kind of buzzing and hot coming back after that break that like oh crap if he puts it together and stays healthy now like we legitimately

might have a potential you know top five guy maybe a potential title contender like that's over with luke he's one in three since coming back but yet has fought very good names and and has to his credit like looked credible you know looked competitive but i don't think he gave me a lot of feelings in these fights that that he was gonna win them though so where's he at i i think he's at the point now where he's a a name who will make tv friendly fights but i i don't think he's going any higher now where he's a a name who will make tv-friendly fights but I I don't think he's going any higher than this Luke and that that's critical that is shit that's me being very critical and real but I think I'm right on Luke you might be you might be I mean here's the thing I'll say this in his defense he did get the Miguel Baeza win now Baeza's kind of

falling off a little bit but that was a fight of the night and this was a fight of the night and again BC gun to your head. If this goes five rounds, who wins? I know we're just guessing, but seriously, who wins? I don't know, because did they keep a crazier pace because it's a three-round fight and not a five? How much would that have changed things? I get your point that Padea looked like he was trying hard to bite down and hold that fight together.

And he did. But, Luke, you know, I also thought Ponzinibbio could go with a big strike at any point in the second half of this fight. So I'm not really sure either way who would have won if it kept going. But, you know, it is one of those interesting ones where, yeah, the winner comes out and he'll advance for this, but I got questions. And I think I got the same. I mean, look, it was a slow start for Ponzinibbio. He seems a step behind out of the gate. Once he gets locked in and figures out how to fight the other guy, he's in it, but he's got to accrue a lot of damage to be in it, though.

Yeah, that's true. And, again, he did get the KO loss to the leech when he came back after you know two three years whatever it was then he beat my aza so it's like okay all right you had you know a little bit of ring rust and you got it right in his defense these are both split decision losses but at the same time it's like these should have been guys that you would ordinarily have beaten prior to you leaving the division for however long he was gone. Like, dude, his run before that was Andrea Stahl, Court McGee, Zach Cummings, Nordin Taleb,

Gunnar Nelson, Mike Perry, and then Neil Magny. And he knocked out Gunnar Nelson, and he knocked out Neil Magny. You would have thought if that guy had kept going, he would have beaten guys of this caliber. But it appears that, that you know my how the turn tables right luke if i was able to track down unrelated by the way and secure an interview with junie browning of of tough fame um would you be down to do that with me i would have not much interest no i watched that season i don't you know i don't need to see it again the highlights

of that season were must see to see what he did next, Luke. So he reminded me of Puck from Real World 3, San Francisco, Luke, to some degree, although I'm sure he was much more focused on mayhem internally. God, that is such a 90s reference, Puck. Remember him and who was the guy who, unfortunately, he had HIV and eventually passed away. Yeah, they had beef. Yeah, there you go, Long Island Luke, I think.

Yeah, nice work there. Yeah, everything always circles back to the 90s, Luke. You know, it's just a nostalgic, safe. Hey, whatever can you're kicking, can you keep kicking it? Because it's definitely not making any noise. Yeah, right. All right. Sorry.

I mean, you know, it could have been Tukey Luke you know you really don't know right yeah Tukey I can't control the can in your hand I can all right here we go let's go to point number three if we can we go now to boxing Showtime Championship we'll circle back to MMA in just a minute but first David Benavidez I mean dude to say that this was light work is I think is is is an overstatement maybe he demolishes David Lemieux, dropped him in the first, I think dropped him in the second again, and then the towel came in on the third before the round was even over. Easy, easy victory. So my question to you is, BC, realistically, this was dominant in every way possible.

Is this finally going to be the thing where benavidez gets let's say a worthy adversary up to the level of his skill it better it better it's time it's time and this one you know it turned out to be the the wrong side of the potential that it had right it had potential for action and even in a one-sided fight it did kind of give you that you got to give lemieux credit he was willing to go out on his shield and boy, did he, but you know, we're just, we're just spinning the tires right now. Let's get Benavidez in a huge fight. Now he had to do this to get that interim WBC title, which you could say, okay, it's just another kind of meaningless secondary belt. Yeah, right now. But what about if Canelo Alvarez doesn't come back to this division full-time? What if he ends up

getting stripped or vacates or what have you? Or what if he wants to come back? At least now Benavidez has something, a trinket, a piece of the larger pie for what it's worth. But next fight, Luke, it's got to be, you ready for this? Either Jamal Charlo, who's moving up, Caleb Plant, who's looking for a big fight. Who else would you accept here you know what i mean can i tell you my can i tell you my number

one choice unless this has nothing to do with whether it will get made no not even canelo i mean yeah okay canelo be number one but i don't know how likely that is but i will tell you among like the very likely possibilities or the more likely possibilities anyway i really want to see the caleb plant fight caleb hasn't fought since he lost to canelo back in november dude david benavidez listen lemieux was just overmatched here period there's just i don't know how else you could say anything else he was never in i mean he tried to your point he gets viciously dropped in the first ref almost calls it decides not to and he goes on the second he tried like he really really tried but benavidez was too much you benavidez looked awesome catching him right between punches

his timing was impeccable that caleb plant fight to me is a guy you got a defensive you know um very very careful strategic fighter in caleb plant who's really good about his movement real good about reading what's coming at him and david benavidez is a fire hose of offense behind the jab but when he wants to open up he certainly can i love that fight it's contrasting styles it's perfect right the good you know the the come forward monster against the slick boxer but knowing that these two do not like each other i mean they're go search youtube you know caleb plant and the benavidez brothers and they've almost come to blows like a few times at, at being at the same gym crossing paths, whatever. Uh, there's been a lot of beef every time you and I talked to David Benavidez, it's like

we kind of resurfaced the whole idea of like, wait, why don't you like Caleb plant again? And then you get five minutes of gold, right? Luke. I mean, it's just, you know, creative insults of why but um it's a great fight it's a big fight i you know i mean look even germol charlo who's going to defend his middleweight title once more although he's uh against uh machi selecki this summer on showtime but it's kind of said publicly i'm going to move up to 68 um let's let's go let these guys you know the charlos in particular obviously benavidez is a lot younger. He's only 24, but he's been around a long time

for being only 24. You know, the Charlos, it's time for them to make the big fight. So if it's not planned, let's start banging the drum and build the road to Jamal Charlo versus David Benavidez or somebody finally get, you know, Demetrius Andrade across the street into a big fight.

Whatever you got to do here, it's got to be big, Luke. Benavidez is rising. His style is deadly, yet defensively responsible. He's got the size to be a problem for anybody at 68, maybe. Maybe even Canelo. I don't know. Maybe. I mean, the thing is, it's like, is he better than Canelo?

No, by no means. But does he have that thing, that style advantage potentially mixed with the backbone and the intention that he's going to go in there and just keep coming forward until he can get you out of there? Him against Canelo, Luke, it is the sexiest Canelo fight you can make. It is, right? Style-wise, it is. The thing is, you know better about where they might go from here better than I do, so I don't have a firm read.

I guess nobody does. But I'm paying attention less to that. I mean, I'm hopeful for a Caleb plan. I'm hopeful for a Jamal-Charlo fight. But I don't know what's going to happen next. What I do want to say here is, dude, David Benavidez had to know that he was going to be the big favorite here. I'm sure you saw what the odds makers were. And I know he knew on tape that he was going to be the better guy dude he showed up in the best shape i think i've ever

seen him yeah did he not look to be in a very i mean he's never going to be bodybuilder ronnie coleman you know hey buddy light work you know lightweight all that shit he's not going to do that but he is he looked to me like he took training seriously he looked to me like he's taking this phase of his life seriously and he went in there and had a commanding performance not just because he's better bc but because no matter how much he thought he was better than the opposition he still crossed all the t's and dotted all the i's dude that's what you wanted from a guy who previously had to surrender his belts on the scale don't forget he was a 250 pound amateur heavyweight as a teenager, like grossly overweight. So here's a guy now who made weight by a pound and a half for this one,

which seemed to sort of, you know, make a statement in terms of his intention. So you're right. This was probably the best version we've seen of him. And let's not wait any longer. Let's make the big fights. Let's give these guys chances to be legends,

right? You got to beat the best guys in your era. Let make these fights and by the way real quickly if Canelo vacates it and he be he gets elevated to the full-on weight class champion what does that do like realistically what does that mean for fans for example that could make him you know in the short term like the power player of the division because he's probably got the biggest name alongside, you know, along with Jamal Charlo, who's maybe a bigger name in theory, but Benavides has the Mexican-American fan base behind him.

But, you know, people are going to, that's why I think even having this interim strap right now, for what it's worth, if Canelo is, because the sanctioning bodies don't seem to be in a rush to strip Canelo. In fact, WBC came out with a statement and everybody, you know, everybody's going to go, Oh,

Canelo, come on, do, do whatever you want, sir. You know what I mean? Same thing with Floyd, right?

Like people weren't going out of their way to strip Floyd. You want somebody in that spot wearing your title also because you get a, you know, strong percentage of every fight purse for them to wear your title belt. It's a interesting system. This, this sanctioning body belt system. And by interesting, I mean...

But you can play the game to win for yourself. And I think right now, even with this interim strap, Benavidez is going to be attractive for either, again, Dermal, Caleb Plant, both guys in the PBC universe. Easy fight to make. Let's freaking make it. All right, fair enough. From there, we go... Let's talk about this. I debated putting this in the rundown a little bit in favor of other things.

There is going to be an extra credit out today. So don't worry about that. So for that reason, let's go to point number four here, BC, which is. Can't believe I did it, but here we are. I think that there finally appears to be a little bit of what do you want to call it? Electricity, heat connection, whatever it is, between Anderson Silva and Jake Paul. So Anderson Silva had this, you know,

whatever the fuck boxing match on, you know, wherever it was in some kind of repressive. It was in Fight Island, Yaz Island. Yeah, so whatever repressive government is in charge of that place. And, you know, he wins and looked amazing doing it. Again, another whatever repressive government is in charge of that place. And he wins and looked amazing doing it. Again, another boxing match against somebody who, you know, not very much

a credentialed boxer, but Anderson Silva looked very good doing it. Floyd Mayweather again, made short work of whoever he was going to be. Don Moore, I think his name was. Well, he unfortunately made long work, Luke. It was eight rounds. Okay, that's short work. He made easy work, I should say. Yeah. But the point is this.

Afterwards, Jake Paul takes to social media and says he could beat Mayweather and Anderson on the same night, which is hilarious, and then put out a second meme where he sort of showed himself to be a pest exterminator. BC, let me ask you. I have thought that there would be no way Jake Paul would take this because I thought Anderson would ice him. I still think Anderson would ice him.

But is this now not only the fight to make, is it actually likely? If Jake Paul can't get Mike Tyson, and I can't even believe I'm saying that, but that is something that's also been getting tossed around back and forth. And look, seriously, either Paul Brother against Mike Tyson is the biggest fight you can make in this genre. It's so strange to even say that. And has enough strange elements where you're not really sure who's going to win. Well, this fight with Anderson is just like that.

It's just a little bit a step down, in my opinion. Competition-wise, this is probably the best Jake Paul fight you can make. Silva's 47, yes, but God, is he, I mean, his instincts in terms of actual boxing in this run that we've seen him on, including beating Chavez Jr., who is quote unquote a real fighter. I mean, it's like, it's almost like where you want to ask yourself, damn, who could Anderson Silva have had been in boxing? I know he's had a couple of pro fights here and there sprinkled in, but never took it that serious.

I mean, he's still got it in the celebrity bubble level. He's the best. He's pound for pound, probably the best right now. And for the first time, it wouldn't be Jake Paul dipping down for someone two, three weight classes lower to come up to him. This would be somebody who weighs a little bit more than him probably and is right on his level. But I think Luke commercially, outside of Tyson, it's probably the biggest one he could do right now. I mean, it would do commercially, and we don't really know. Sorry, let me just say this. His Showtime deal expired.

Nobody really knows where he's going next. He's obviously been chummy with Eddie Hearn and Dazon to make the Serrano-Taylor fight. But, you know, it could be Triller. It could be Showtime. It could be anybody for all we know. But him fighting Tommy Fury, which everyone thinks Jake would win handily is not going to do what an Anderson Silva pay-per-view could do you'd be buying that for the star power you'd be buying

it because you don't know what it's going to look like but most importantly for the first time you'd be buying something where you're like dude Jake Paul could lose this and lose badly potentially so um I wouldn't normally want this on this rundown but if Jake Paul is going to do the Jake Paul thing at some point you got to match yourself in a fight people don't think you can win is this the first one Luke is this that first one for real I didn't know what to make of the Tyron Woodley fight I mean I knew that Jake was probably picking it because he felt he had a reason to win. And Tyron, like someone asked me on my live chat last week, like, oh, is there a comparison between Tyron Woodley and Tony Ferguson? And there are some similarities about the stage of the career.

But the point I made back about Tony being seen, I think you would agree in that first round against Chandler, he was throwing. Like he was throwing. And it wasn't reckless throwing like what you saw from Woodley against Luque. It was strategic throwing so that to me was a big difference like Tony showed some life in that first round and some thought and some to borrow your term intentionality that I thought showcased something that you know maybe maybe there's still something to to there that he can use um you know I didn't know what to make of what Tyron was going to do against Jake and then having seen two of them you have a much better

sense dude I think I mean I guess I could be wrong listen I've seen Anderson Silva in person I didn't know what to make of what Tyron was going to do against Jake. And then having seen two of them, you have a much better sense. Dude, I think, I mean, I guess I could be wrong. Listen, I've seen Anderson Silva in person, and we've had Jake in person. I was behind Anderson Silva in line the day after GSP fought Jake Shields in Toronto. We were in the security line at the airport together. He's a lot bigger than Jake. Now, I don't know if he's bigger in, like, musculature. I don't know if he's bigger in that kind of way.

But his frame is certainly much bigger than Jake Paul's. I will say that. But dude, to answer the question, I think Anderson Silva beats him any way he wants. Listen, I will say this. Even if Jake Paul beats Anderson Silva, that has nothing to do with being able to beat and winning a world title and being a real boxer. To this point, he still wouldn't really be fighting someone who was just a boxer but i'll say this dude no one thinks anderson silva even at 47 is a chump nobody thinks that well if jake paul beats anderson silva even at 47 that doesn't mean he's going to be a world champion in boxing

but dude you would have to give him respect at that point especially if you've watched these you know each step of the way for anderson now i guess you know look tito ortiz is a different level of opponent than a jake paul yet dude he fucking put it on tito ortiz and got him the hell out of there like uh he can hit you with let me ask you let me ask you do you think anderson in your heart of hearts real quickly because i just want to know where your head's at is anderson sil, if you're advising Jake Paul, and maybe there's a different equation there, but just on pure fight terms, is Anderson Silva at this stage in boxing a bad fight for Jake Paul?

You have to look at your options. Well, no, look, it's the first fight that he not only could lose, he'd probably be favored to lose. Like, it'd be close, but you get the point of all the reasons why. So if there is a fight that gives you as or greater commercial viability with somebody who's not as dangerous, would you take it? Yeah, you probably would, and you probably should. But right now, Luke, I don't see a lot of slam dunk names. I know he was talking to Bisping for a minute.

There's no other real names outside of Mike Tyson right now where you're like, oh shit, if they get that. Conor's not coming through that door. Masvidal, Nate, they're all tied up. Probably strategically so. This would give... Are you a billy goat with cans all over your feet? What is happening?

It's the biggest fight non-Tyson commercially, but it would shut everybody up, and eventually Jake's going to have to shut everybody up. And because nobody cares about Tommy Fury and there's no other option, dude, Jake's got to do it. I think he's kind of been cornered here. It's time. It's time to do it.

And, Luke, I don't subscribe to the idea that he's 1000 gonna lose and get knocked out you know he's a he's a strong young kid who's learned something but he can the most the key element here is what woodley didn't have who was smaller and had far less experience silva can legit catch him with things that jake doesn't see coming and that danger is either going to make Jake Paul go into a cocoon and have to ask himself, am I content to lose a decision here so I don't get KO'd? Or is it going to activate something and make Jake fight him? And if this turns into a fight, it's going to be explosive and fun as shit. And Jake's probably going to get knocked the hell out, Luke.

So yeah, even though I just told you i'm here saying jake can win this fight he can be in it there's some potential self-cash out element here i mean if he goes in there and loses but doesn't get knocked out can jake save his name in buying but in in market in value in brand no i think if he goes there and fights anderson silva and loses and let's say you know i would imagine if he loses to Silva, like it wouldn't be barely. I would imagine that if he would lose, it would, like either he's ready for this or this is a,

like this is the thing, you used a perfect description, which was he's kind of cornered. See, this is the thing. The heat on the idea of fighting Tommy Fury has kind of faded. Fury just seems to be what he is, and there's not a lot of demand for it. And he was waiting. You're right.

He was waiting for Conor to walk through the door. Maybe Nate would get out of his UFC contract or something. Jorge, who knows? Something along those lines where they would get out of their contract and he could keep feasting on older MMA fighters, basically. And Anderson Silva fits that bill. 47, not really fighting MMA these days. Yeah,

that's the guy. But the problem with Anderson is, dude, he is at 47 still, especially for knuckleheads who've never really boxed boxed. He's a fucking nightmare. And I think if you end up taking this and let's say Silva really punishes him, dude, the Jake Paul boxing thing, I don't know if it goes away in one dose or something but it would it would be potentially catastrophic for any future he has and wanted to get either the financial goals or any other goals in boxing i mean yeah getting knocked out it's over i'm just trying to imagine a scenario where he could be in the fight have moments lose by decision yet it was kind of a fun fight and we go okay i'd see him box again i think either

way the chances are leaning more towards a loss than a win but i think you got to take it if you're jake if you've because jake has held up a side of the argument that says i'm for real yeah i'm a celebrity i'm disney i'm disrupting boxing but i also believe i'm for real and unless you're going to go fight for a world title which he's not and he shouldn't unless you're going to go fight for a world title, which he's not, and he shouldn't, unless you're going to fight one of Eddie Hearn's pros who are like 5-0, and you probably shouldn't do that either. You'd probably lose. If you're going to lose, lose

with the biggest pay-per-view potential you have. So Luke, if they think they can get the Mike Tyson fight, I'd say don't fight Anderson. But if you don't think you actually can right now, it's got to be Silva. It's got to be Luke. Introducing the new McSpicy from McDonald's. It looks like a

regular chicken sandwich, but it's actually a spicy chicken sandwich. McSpicy. Consider yourself warned. Limited time only. At participating McDonald's in Canada. Dude, I'm telling you, I think if you fight Silva, and listen, I've been wrong on Jake Paul a lot. I guess you're right. We have to take in Canada. As long as he has, you know, I don't agree with it. I think the fighter should have contracts that allow them a little bit more freedom of movement.

But we are where we are. It would actually be something of a masterstroke to force Jake Paul into a fight he was never going to be able to win, basically. And then Silva goes in there and bludgeons him. And by the way, let's say this. If Silva goes in there and bludgeons Jake Paul, first of all, I mean, you want to talk about MMA fans showering Anderson Silva with praise, but realistically, BC, I will ask this. If he goes in there, I'm not saying what it would mean in

terms of like, oh, what kind of boxer could he beat? Rather, what kind of fight could he get after that in the boxing world if he goes in there and demolishes Jake Paul? Is there a real question there? That's an interesting conversation that I don't think we've gone down that road.

Dude, that would do a ton for Anderson's current brand in terms of getting a big one. I don't want to see him against Tyson. So if you're going more towards retired or somewhat active, some gaffe dropping in Roy Jones Jr.,r um i mean that's and that's anderson's dream fight and it always has been anderson's dream fight but that fight's been washy in theory for a long time and right now it's gross as shit so please don't do that please don't um i don't know i just know that if he if they made this fight i think indirectly

they would both benefit from Dana in getting involved indirectly and openly cheering for Anderson. Because you know Dana would be waiting by the trigger on his Twitter like he was when Verdum rolled up Fedor and was just like, ha-ha, send, you know. What did he call Vadinklstum? Vadummy. What did he call Vadim? Vadom uh vadum what do they call vadim vadum yes that's right um dana would have a field there with this that luke you know right now him and him and anderson aren't

getting along if i'm dana i give him the the paper bag filled with three million as a thank you you you're in this thank you i i just i'm telling you part of this is either Jake real is either Jake is much better at boxing that even we realize, and we've been, you know, front and center for his boxing fights for better, for worse. Either he is much better about that or he is, or Dana White is pushing him into a fight. He is going to get fucking bludgeoned. And I don't know. You know what?

You're right. Okay. Jake's Jake's better than i think everyone realizes yet in every scenario in my head it ends with him getting bludgeoned you're right luke this is a this is a no win but what i would love if they did it this reason it would really be jake like going all in on how could he could be no more tricks up your sleeves no more smoking mirrors and mirrors. Like, all freaking in. I am who I said I am. Let's do this thing.

That element, Luke, I think is going to lead to sell to make this a pay-per-view that, you know, it could surprise you and do 900, a million, 1.1, 2, right? I mean, this is a real... Like, the other Jake Paul fights, like, what was my criticism of him? There was clearly a fan base he was pulling from. were there in cleveland like we saw them like they were they were partly mma fans but partly not it was definitely a weird there was like all these crypto kids chasing around dave port noise he was walking around the concourse it was a

different fan base like it was it was something going on there for so i i get that but like we didn't know what we were going to get with tyron in boxing. Dude, you have seen what Silva can do. You've seen it. You've seen it at this point. You know. This would be the first time I'd actually be genuinely interested in the boxing. I was more interested in the spectacle and the business of Jake Paul. This time I'd be like, wow, man, I really want to see what happens in this fight.

And Silva would be the only one where I would maybe want to say that about. But I also feel like when Dana tells him, oh, you should go for Anderson Silva, that is Dana trying to craft a narrative and force certain things on him that I think Dana feels like that would fuck him up. And we'll see if he takes the bait. I don't know. If Anderson wins and suddenly Dana shows up in the cage with his arm around him

and wearing a Zufa boxing shirt and Anderson suddenly becomes the face of this new pay-per-view brand that's going to disrupt the trailer market. Yeah, it's going to be great. Last question and we'll move on, I swear. Does it sell a million buys? Yeah, I think it does. I think it does. I think it does, yeah.

All right, last but not least. We had to put in the rundown because it's a relevant story, but it kind of broke my heart a little bit. Junior Dos Santos gets back to action at Eagle FC on Friday. Eagle FC 47. And he was doing pretty well for the most part. Really well

with the leg kicks. He was chopping down Jorgen DeCastro, but then threw a right hand and just randomly dislocated his shoulder, making it the fifth TKO loss in a row for JDS. BC, I'm going to ask this question as plainly as I can. Time to retire? Yeah, I mean, in a perfect world, yeah.

Even though he's 38 and heavyweights can age very late, and I'm sure when he puts in a full camp and he looked to be in good shape here that he still feels like he can do things that, that, that he once did. But Luke, I mean, how many more KO loss? This may have been his body saving him from the inevitable further damage,

even on this level, headlining Eagle FC. Right. And I know they're also trying to get him into a fight with fade or, and did it look, I didn't watch this to be fair, but I did see some criticism online. Tell me if if it's if it's rightful or not that the broadcast is trying to push the idea of a crossover Bellator pay-per-view Fedor versus JDS and that they were still kind of pushing it

even with the injury is that true yes yes the whole time I didn't I mean I guess this Bellator and Eagle FC thing is more involved than I realized. So first of all, Islam Mamadov, who I guess was on loan from Bellator, fought on this card. He won. So there you go. So again, we've already talked about it. BC, you know this as well as I do.

Scott Coker already had a talent, very moderate, but a talent-sharing program with Ryzen. Why wouldn't he have one with another promoter? Now, Eagle FC, I guess they got Islam Mamadov on there the the commentators would spend times and there was even be this one shot where it'd be like Kamaru the play-by-play guy Chael and then Henry at the end and they would spend minute upon minute talking about a potential fight with Fedor and what it would mean they would talk about it all through the broadcast like they were clearly setting this up as a big thing and then he just throws his right arm out.

Okay. In theory, if I was okay before he threw his arm out with the idea of doing this and I kind of was, but, but to be fair, I'm more in love with the idea of rival promotions, theory,

rival, right. Teaming up. Right. I am in favor of that. I think any MMA fan, anyone who's not the UFC kind of teaming up to help make big fights is a win for us so the

arm thing shouldn't so you asked me should he should he look yeah in a perfect world he should walk away he's accomplished a ton why take further punishment but he is in a potential conversation to make money here and fedor is also washed i mean luke it's like he's gonna take the damage no matter where he takes it because he's still good enough to draw a paycheck and that's he is he's still good enough to draw a paycheck Luke but even on this level he's going to get hurt I don't it's it's heartbreaking but that's sort of the end game man that's it right I mean this is the thing for me it's like dude if you if you you watch the punch it was a stand like you know he was jorgen de castro was basically like

real close up against the fence or right at it and it was just a right hand that he was throwing down the pipe and again he was you know he was chewing up jorgen de castro for the most part and it just fell off it's like dude you know what that is that's just old guy shit you know remember when dc almost had to pull out of a fight because he sneezed and threw out his back i've done that shit i've done it where it's like when you're a kid, you can fall off the roof. When you're nearing 40, you can't even bend over to pick up a piece of paper without worrying about getting a wheelchair afterwards. Like it's just shit just breaks on you when you least expect it. The bottom drops out when you don't even realize it's going to drop out anymore. And so, you know, I know we see a lot of crazy things in

MMA. And can I say affirmatively that this is some kind of age related medical situation no I mean I'll leave that to his doctors and what not but it has all the hallmarks of just a dude who's old he's just old he's been remember BC it wasn't just that he had a lot of brutal fights with Kane I mean the Kane wars I think kind of changed him a little bit but remember he had to pull out

of one fight I forget which one it was because he had rhabdomyolysis or myolysis or however you call it they call it rhabdo for short. That's when you've trained so hard you're now overtraining and you're almost poisoning yourself by virtue of how much you have overtrained. It's a serious condition. I mean, this dude

has punished himself to get to this point. So to answer the question about should he retire or not, I could see a case where there could be a little bit more because it wasn't like Juergen De Castro was like destroying him and he's not still in the UFC. If you can draw a paycheck and whatnot, but dude, quite obviously your body is, I mean, I hate to put it in these terms because he is such a nice guy. Your body's falling apart.

His body's falling apart. It's just the way it's going because that's, that's life, dude. You can't, you can't beat it. So retire immediately. I don't think that's life, dude. You can't beat it. So retire immediately? I don't think that's the case. But pretty goddamn soon, yes. But there's a creative bubble to make money. Could he end up in a Triller triad ring with Frank Mir?

He probably could, Luke. Yes, he could. Yes. I think there are some possibilities where he could still draw a big check. You could sort of squint and say it's not the most medically dangerous thing he's ever done and has a reasonable chance at victory. Like, yeah, fine. Again, for that reason, I think the retirement question is not premature. It's certainly relevant to ask, but not one where it's like, dude, you need to stop today. No,

I'm not suggesting that. But I think think you would agree unless it does fit some kind of creative special situationally relevant you know appropriate time and place then yeah i don't know that he should be fighting you know professional mixed martial arts anymore would you be opposed to like remember in the clubhouses in major league baseball in the 70s and 80s we'd read as kids that they would have giant jars of amphetamines they'd have greenies and like the people just walk by and take handfuls and then they had the coffee pot they would have the leaded and unleaded because it'd be infused with basically speed and and meth um would you be opposed to having something like that in the ufc that anybody could use just just just straight methamphetamine on the way in luke do you remember excedrin when they used to sell that at gnc when

it had a when it had a fedra in it yeah yeah not excedrin what am i saying um no you're saying um are you talking about uh the hell what the hell is it called what's it they they're still on the market these days but but now they're... No, he's talking about Jack, but that's not the one I'm talking about. Jack had it too, but there were many that had it. Are you talking about Dexedrine? Oh, yeah, that was one of them. Basically, GNC had this thing called Ephedra, this product,

and it was different labels for it and whatever, but then people started dying from it, and then they had to recall it but it was wild effect i use it for let's go over the the pros and cons of the of bringing a greenie drug to the locker room in the ufc now the bad news is people will die of heart attacks in the cage like a prime data 5000 the good news though luke those those first two rounds are going to be incredible though right yeah they're going be money they're gonna be money uh the only thing I would say on this is BC um did you watch any of the other Eagle FC fights um I saw I saw a little bit here and there I mean did you like

Hector Lombard Tiago Silva did you like that Luke it was a no contest no I didn't care much for it I mean it's also another great situation too right where he got rocked and then dropped and then the knee comes and the knee was illegal but it's like you were the knee barely lands and it's like what were you really hurt from like was it the punch that dropped you or the knee that kind of touched you ish but because the rules basically work on the honor system you can play that any way you want so yes there's no honor in the fight game Luke well there is but you know I am listen

if you ain't cheating you ain't trying so that's the way it goes all right BC that's it for our top five with that in mind we don't get to ask ourselves and each other questions anymore it's time for answer questions from the fans it's time for DMs from dogs yeah we've got male listeners uh luke they're saying our our producing team who's well closer to the

pillow it wasn't pseudofed hold on hold on to the pill abusing years than we are in theory although knowing you that's probably not true but uh uh i don't know which one it was luke but i will tell you uh it was uh i'm gonna have to look it up here uh i'll go through it but while i do that just give me a second here uh yellow jacket was one of them by the way but okay here we go from at it's not cage fighting bc after holly's performance he wrote last night, but, you know, on Saturday, is Jackson Wink finished as an elite training camp? What do you think? You know, they've seen better days. They've been the star of many plays.

Luke, I'm not sure the bottom dropped out. I mean, you know, in my head, Luke, it sounds sounds just like it's gonna hit with a glorious splatter i got the two i got the two products yeah hydroxy cut and xenodrine those were the two those were the two gotcha gotcha uh what we're talking about hollyholm yeah talking about talking about uh jacks bc what is the can that is making all that noise? Will you please show it to me? Sorry, it's my wedding ring hitting the water bottle when I move. Dude, all show long, I'm like, what is this billy goat chewing on over there? I see. There's a constant flow of music playing in my head, Luke, and it drives me as a human.

I'm kind of like Bernie in Weekend at Bernie's 2. Remember when he was dead? But every time reggae music came on, his body would just come to life. You know, Luke? Yeah, thanks. Thanks a lot. No, Luke, Jackson lot um no i would say jackson week is not finished but bc what was the last time like a super elite person came out of there they've got some good ones um but they don't have like off the top of your head who's there that's still like a leader Aaron Pico. Holly, Aaron Pico, Arlene Blanco. Dana Batgorel. Luke. Huh?

Arlene Blanco. Yes. Dana Batgorel is still there. They're saying Phil Hawes. Phil Hawes, yes. But the point being is they used to have like a super team where they had 10 people all in the top three of their respective divisions.

Yeah, that era right now is over for them. It doesn't mean it's over for good, but they know they are not on the level of ATT of of who look, what are the power rankings right now? Luke right freaking now top five power rankings MMA gyms on the spot and if you say CKB number

one without actually thinking about it, Luke I'd say I don't know if I have to do rankings, but the top three gyms that stand out as consistently producing elite talent, ATT, all the ones in Florida. So ATT, Sanford, MMA Masters, Fortis MMA, AKA, obviously, CSA is another big one. Okay, but this has devolved into you

just naming every gym you can think of my lab when what i was looking for was a ranking of hierarchy i was looking for you to put those in your top five somewhere mma lab is another one yeah those are those are those are five i think i named you can rank those however you want but those okay so you took a an exercise you flipped it upside down exploited it and then crushed it so basically like you just did the exact opposite of the intention of it bc you do that to me almost every show i just let it go you know what i'm saying hold on my fucking alexa or whatever this thing is the siri comes on my ear sorry if you said something i missed it probably nothing anyway right you'll just repeat

it in a minute without knowing it luke it's fine all right let's just keep it going all right uh from jdncr1 this is the first ufc card where i didn't watch a single fight live probably in three years do you think quantity over quality will always benefit the company or does the ufc have something to gain by putting on better less frequent cards motherfuckers if y'all keep buying the pay-per-views uh and they just get enough of the you know the degenerates of you guys to watch these things whenever the fuck then yeah like they're gonna keep doing this shit like i don't know how yes of course did you hear the the letter of the law there and the question? Or do they have something to gain? Yes, $750 million.

Basically, the foundational cornerstone of how the UFC operates is the ESPN TV deal, which has a minimum number of dates that they go out there and fulfill, pandemic or not. And has it become watered down? Yeah. We also had this discussion back in 2012 i remember luke when i was uh one of the espn mma editors of like oh my god there's fight nights almost every weekend the you know quality over quantity yeah this is the direction it goes when you can get monster tv deals that allow you to expand and grow. So it's not great, Luke. I wouldn't say it's been like pandemically bad. It's not a recurring theme.

We get enough above and beyond loaded cards to never complain, but it happens, dude. It happens. Well, the UFC has clearly decided to go top heavy on pay-per-views and then just let's keep divisions moving and give people fights on contracts that we owe them on everything else. And just let's keep divisions moving and give people fight con fights on contracts that we owe them on everything else and then let's scale it as much as possible so that

you have to understand what they're doing they have to have as much shows as they need a to move the divisions along and make sure everyone gets fights but b if they want to have like growth in a certain market they have to sign a bunch of those people they have to give them fights they might have to put a fight or a performance institute there like there's a lot that goes into nurturing and developing a market so you're asking like why are these all these fights were like sub standard quality or you know just people don't care about them there's a whole method to it there's a whole reason about like hey if you want to have a women's division let's say at 125 it's more than just putting fights there there's a lot that goes into it among signing other talent that you can

then feed into the pipeline and so forth so but that's one problem the other problem is and i'm just gonna say this like dude fight fans you guys are the and i'm one of them too bro i get it but like they're reliably indiscriminate right you know what i mean like every weekend there's going to be enough people who watch an espn card or a ufc on espn card even if it's on the plus side of things we're just streaming there's enough degenerate fight fans to make it worth espn's while and therefore ufc's while to just trot that shit out there because they'll they know they fucking know they're gonna sit down and watch no matter what you change that up they might change the other side of things up but as long as that's saying they have p1s because luke you're like these motherfuckers man they'll they'll watch

me tickle my butthole for an hour and a half if that's all i was giving them you know have you ever tried to tickle my butthole for an hour and a half i mean what are we doing with our lives bc i'm a 42 year old man what are we doing well you get the point you get the you know you get the yes yes the analogy i was i was creating there as dark you know you see i feel like i got a low energy bc are you okay you accusing me of low t luke is that what's going on right now do we have a low tbc what happened here no i thought you know i thought i was i was you know the star of the show cruising along just fine luke am i not going to win bc you always think you're the star of the show i have to tell i mean and when i say show i just mean your daily life just walking into rooms well that's and along just fine, Luke. Am I not going to win the end? You always think you're the star of the show. I have to tell you.

And when I say show, I just mean your daily life, just walking into rooms, going to the grocery store. My wife's always like, oh, can you please not use your podcast voice in the house? Really, it's my life voice, okay? They just happen to turn a camera off. Dude, I have the same fight with my wife. She's like, you don't have to talk to me

like you're on the radio. You don't have to talk to me that way. And I'm like, I'm not talking to you like I'm on the radio. I't have to talk to me that way you know and i'm like i'm not talking to you like i'm on the radio i'm just talking to you normal you know yeah i always get the stop interviewing me i always get that yeah you know stop interviewing me my neighbors say that too they're always like it always feels like you're interviewing me i'm like well she always tells me i'm not one of your listeners i'm not one of them you know yeah uh all right from ilia 745 bc andre war right because we bang our listeners you know we should just have a podcast where we're like we find the very i'm gonna do it don't do it you know where i was going all right

um andre ward versus canelo from ilia745. Andre Ward versus Canelo. Not so bad now, huh, BC? Yeah, dude. It's one of my dream fights of the moment that's loosely possible. But I feel like it's a common... It was like a year and a half ago thing. Year and a half ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This should be the greatest fight ever. Andre Ward was a little younger. Never say never, but yes, Luke, this is fantastic. But the point of the question was, would the larger, more skilled Ward be able to use that to slow down the freight train that is Canelo? Well, B-Vol just did, Luke. So yeah, does that make you,

does that give you any more confidence that had this fight happened a year ago? Andre Ward versus Canelo, that Ward could have won. No, I think Ward's probably passed it but i think in a prime you're asking like prime ward no i'm not asking prime ward i'm asking come out of three four year retirement ward no okay i honestly think that if he could have and there was like real money for it he would have um and i just don't know i don't i prime is different conversation but this one no all right from at tony dot i think it's tony dot g 8305 it's probably this motherfucker's

password to his account how many more of floyd's charades uh i think he says do we need to see because the question doesn't make sense as it's written before it affects his legacy bc none of this shit is going to affect his legacy dude none of it in fact all of our heroes in the history of boxing going back you know 100 years or so they've done this and much much more i mean they've done so much pro wrestling or fantasy exhibitions or whatever which floyd's done pro wrestling as well and he he actually did it did it. Let's give Floyd credit. He did a WrestleMania match against the big show at WrestleMania 24, 2000, what eight? Well,

that was like actually pretty damn entertaining compared to like what Tyson Fury tried to do a couple of years ago where you're like, but no Luke, it's the same. It's the same conversation when Roy Jones was taking a bunch of L's in his forties, you know, cause the,

the basically Roy Jones's career went on like 12, 13 years too long. And you're like, okay, how many losses is too many losses where when we hear the name, we won't think of the pound for pound great anymore. And at the end of the day, unless you're somebody who's using your exit from the sport as a strategic way to inflate your legacy, like Khabib, who's not doing it for that reason, but Khabib walking away undefeated has a case for goat ship. We've never seen him compromised, right?

He's always going to have that case. Unless you're doing that. It doesn't really matter what you do at the end of your career or life. It really doesn't short of, you know, short of becoming Ray Carruth, right? Luke,

it doesn't really matter. I mean, listen, a, he's not losing these things, you know, number one, two, their exhibitions or whatever the hell they are like if you want to see someone who had their legacy changed and I watched it happen over the years it would be BJ Penn dude you if you didn't live through it this is almost impossible to believe but at the end of

his like he never had like long winning streaks because he was constantly doing all this crazy stuff changing orgs, changing weights, you name it. But like at his peak, like after Diego Sanchez, if I had told that you, however long it's been since then, 10,

15 years, whatever it is that we'd be in this particular place, forget the governor run, just like what he is viewed as, as a fighting figure by the general public. You would have never in a million years believed it. Ruining a legacy requires you to, on the record, so in pro actual fights, while you're still trying to do something,

losing there. And he did that for like 10 years, basically. That, I'm not going to say it ruined it overall, but BC, that huge losing streak, now you have to weigh that against all of the many genius moments that he had. And he did have genius moments in his combat sports career that's that's affecting a legacy fucking off and fighting guys at the top of a helipad yeah it's annoying or whatever but it didn't do shit to his legacy

yeah like look are we at the point now where when these pop up we go oh yeah from a competitive sports standpoint oh for sure but let's's give Floyd Mayweather credit. Like he's found a way to consistently rob the same bank over and over again. And you know, the, the guys in history, like I said, I've done it like this or worse.

And you know, he's not taking punishment. I mean, look, Joe Lewis ended up being a greeter at the door of casino in Las Vegas for the end of his life. Like it's usually way worse off than this for fighters. If he's found this income stream off of his greatness, like, dude, fantastic.

Dude, I didn't know that about Joe Louis. Is that true? He really did. And, you know, I mean, he's just for a paycheck. Yeah. I mean, look, dude, there's way worse endings. But, you know, that's, damn. Dude, I broke my heart to hear that.

Golly, dude, that is terrible. Well, anyway, that's what it means. i broke my heart to hear that golly dude that is terrible well anyway that's what it means floyd just having some fun yeah you can but here's also what undercut or what what drives this bc mma fans hate floyd they fucking hate floyd and they're dying for something to take him down a peg but what you often realize is dude floyd floyd is the casino dude the casino you know doesn't win like all the small little things all the time but the house always wins man he just always makes bets where he knows he's gonna win so there you go all right lastly for me at sidwell jeff did you go to sidwell friends the the local school here in dc where the obamas and the trump went yeah baron trump went there and uh

and uh the obama kids all right uh i'm sure that all the kids there don't come from rich families The Obama's and the Trump went. Barron Trump went there and the Obama kids. All right. I'm sure that all the kids there don't come from rich families. Couldn't be that. All right, here we go. This is for Luke. Who wins world's strongest man in Sacramento, California this upcoming week? Who wins the deadlift portion of the event?

You know, I have to tell you, I don't know exactly. Novakov had a strong run a little while ago, but obviously with the war in Ukraine and everything else, he's kind of not had the best performances, although he had poor performances before that. Martins Lysis was on for a long time, and I thought he came back and looked amazing at the Arnolds. Tom Stoltman would be another one. Obviously, what I have to say would be on the short list, but I'm going to go with my man Martins.

I think Martins is going to get it done done he looks to be rejuvenated he's right he's pulling 800 for reps these days on is martinez clean dude nobody at the highest level of uh at super heavy strong man is even trying to be drug free why the fuck would you you couldn't win you couldn't win it would be impossible and also as a spectator i want to be very clear about this i don't give a fuck if they use in fact i prefer it um what do you think is that how much does that lower your life expectancy to have a career in power lifting in which you like juice to the gills this isn't power lifting this is strong man this is a little bit different okay so for folks who don't know weightlifting olympics two movements snatch clean and jerk power lifting bench deadlift and uh squat

this will have some squatting will definitely have the deadlift but then it's got all kinds of carries pulling the trucks you know you name it the lifting of the logs and shit like that's got all kinds of different stuff the viking press yeah I know you're joking on these motherfuckers. They would tear your head off with their fucking bare hands. I should watch myself then, Luke. I would say who wins the deadlift portion, I'm not sure who won the last one. I'll probably go Martins, though.

I think Martins is a very strong puller. So we'll see. There you go. BC, I know that the jokes from high school still make you laugh i just want you to know as somebody who hasn't had their head caved in with a tire iron you are an idiot i just want you to know that i mean i didn't say anything luke i don't know where this is going bc because you're the kind of guy in class who's like all right and now we're welcome to sex education for you know whatever high school kids or whatever and you're like let's talk about the the uh the gonads and you're like gonads yes this thing on testes yeah

here you go wow look i have you pegged dude i the problem is i know you too well you just have a bipolar reaction to great comedy you know sometimes you're you're about about it like chewbacca that other times you're like that's not bro bro i watched i watched uh the han solo movie again this weekend yeah there's a scene in there where they roll up into the first uh meeting with uh dryden what was his name dryden vaws or whatever the fuck his name was and uh they're like and han solo's like yo chewy keep it cool chewyoss or whatever the fuck his name was. And they're like, and Han Solo's like, yo, Chewie, keep it cool. And Chewie's like, who the fuck are you talking to, bitch?

I keep it cool around here. And then Han's like, hey, let's go over here. And Chewie's like, nah, I'm headed to the bar. And just leaves him and just went to the bar. And then they show Chewbacca double fisting at the bar. Dude, Chewbacca never got his own movie. Fucking crime. Crime.

Yeah, I mean, there's still time. They're doing movies on everyone. Prequels after quills. Yeah. Peter Quealy. They're doing it all. All right. Oh, look, I got this segment I do every Monday.

Shout out to our guy Gaff Pierre, who puts his hands in the shit and separates it and finds the kernels of gold. I scour the globe, right? The highs, the lows, the good, the bad, the ugly, the in-between, combat, sports, and beyond. They call it, have you seen this shit? All right, Luke. You never know with these things. We'll see if they hit.

Let's go Showtime Championship Boxing from Glendale, Arizona. Luke, Jorge Cota in this co-main event to end the round against Yoelvis Gomez. Watch referee Wes Melton here. Whoa, oh, shit. That's a chin checker right there, Luke. Did you see that? Bro, I like how this dude's name is a sentence you'd hear in Vegas at 3 a.m. Yoelvis.

It's a dad joke, but still. That is, I liked it. Yeah, a little right hook to the chin. It actually caught him right on the microphone underneath his chin, so it had a good effect on the broadcast there. Let's keep the countdown moving here. Luke, Ice Wars held their first fighting pay-per-view this past weekend. Remember the Danbury Trashers minor league hockey team that had the documentary

and the mafia influence and Luke there were brothers in this one Jordan Kennedy knocking out big bro Ben Kennedy um you into this or does this give you a little gross feeling yeah so it's hockey fights just no hockey there's just yeah they're on skates and they're brothers in this case so Eric McGracken who is a combat sports uh he has the uh website combat Lawyer or Combat Sports Law, whatever it is. He's an attorney out of Canada. He was saying that it's arguably illegal. So enjoy it while it lasts, I guess.

It's ambitious, Luke. Speaking of ambitious, let's go to this money grabber, Floyd Mayweather, who was out on Yaz Fight Island there in Abu Dhabi for his exhibition. Luke, this fight was so in the bag that he practiced his dance skills between rounds. Your thoughts? I mean, he's just clowning this guy.

He went on to mop up Don Moore over eight rounds as expected. Luke, I was watching this. I don't think Don Moore went for it i think somebody told him it was an exhibition you know what i mean yeah probably the paycheck yeah all right where's we got highlights of of don moore getting mopped up oh yeah here's here's a little taste of the action luke from the uh local dubai government who tweeted this out he was trying to Philly shell on Floyd. Really? Jesus.

Luke also Floyd giving a hand to the ring girls. I'm not sure ring girls are allowed even in this part of the world, Luke, but Floyd took over that job during his fight as well. That's nice of him. That's helpful. That is great. People pay for this? I guess so. You mentioned 47-year-old Anderson Silva put a bait in on Bruno Machado of Brazil. Here's a little sample of it, Luke.

Oh, yeah. We didn't get to see the right hair. Here we go. Boom, boom. He just hits him with the old body. The rib roasters. Bop. Turns his head with that one.

That was nice. I wonder if he takes speed off the fastball when he's just tapping you, Luke, and then he comes through with the finisher. Yeah, of course. Change speeds on him. It's absolutely part of throwing shots like that. Changing speed, changing rhythms, of course. Like a prime Daryl Kyle RIP, right, Luke?

Sure. All right. If you like that, you're in luck, Luke. We've got more urine content. Check this out i hate this guy no i told you i'd never put him on this show again because this guy's a creeper and a half but this guy this guy i hate his micro penis I hate his look at my crotch jokes. I hate everything about this guy. I really do.

Could you stop the hate, please, Luke? Let's go to UFC Fight Night from Las Vegas. Luke, I hope you're doing extra credit on one bang, bang, Nakujuni because a cheaty, cheat cheaty bang bang sent our boy Dusko to the dark end. Wow. Wow. Dude, that was so fucking brutal. This was my favorite, when I say

favorite fight, I don't mean that the fight was like super competitive for long stretches in that way, but like you know, when I think about the fights of the weekend that brought me the most entertainment and joy, this would be number one for me. That's funny because I tried to hype this fight up when we were previewing it. Remember that, Luke?

I know. You were like, BC, really? Augusto Sakai again? We're doing this? We're going to talk about B-Sto? I did not say Augusto Sakai. I did poo-poo it. I'll eat a little shit for it.

But at the same time, I was trying to keep a clock. It wasn't like I thought the fight sucked. I was just trying to keep a clock. That's all. Luke, Eric Anders, your boy, was back at it. Luke, here's a nice knee to the balls on Park Yeon Jong. Oh, God. Oh, yeah.

That's not. I mean, that's flush, dude. That's firm. That's terrible. Yeah, when they collapse, it takes a lot for a grown man to collapse on his balls. Yeah, you're right. You're right. All right, let's go over to Las Vegas top-ranked boxing.

Luke, in the main event, Kazakhstan's Janabek Alamkanouli with the one-punch KO on Danny Dingham here. Watch this uppercut. Damn! He just absolutely crushes him with that left hand, right? Dude, he's from Kazakhstan. He's now an interim middleweight title holder, so it's a bullshit belt, but he's for real, Luke.

And this was, you know, he wasn't fighting a world beater, but this is what you can expect moving forward from old Janet Beck. What weight class was this? This was 160 for an interim, you know, secondary title there. Also on this card, Luke, shout out to the fighting Marine Jamel Herring, who actually retired, called it a career at age 36, following his loss to Jermaine Ortiz in the co-main event. Luke, you see the tweets there.

I love this sport, but I owe it to my family to quit putting them through these moments. Thank you all. Whether you were with or against me, you made me who I am. But it's time. Semper Fi salute. He said it's time to move on and spend more time with the family luke uh that's a stand-up man right there a former world champion as well yeah he had a good career he had a good career he wasn't the very very best that we saw of his generation but i mean there's just simply no denying he excelled he won a world title

um he had a great career he made some made some decent money had some big fights no doubt about it should go up with his head to hell high he went to Europe and knocked Carl Frampton out and retired him I mean that's that's pretty badass that's pretty damn bad and you know he got questioned a little bit along the way for his heart and I thought answered all those questions you know again there was a limit to how good he could be against Shakur Stevenson fair enough you know that that wasn't that wasn't in the cards for him, but he proved a lot. He did a lot in his career. This is what I mean. It's like, dude, is he going to go in the Hall of Fame? No.

He had a very good career. Very good. Not everybody wanted to send him out so happily. Here's Chris Primetime Colbert reacting to the performance on social media. You need to stick to your military services instead of boxing. Dude, so what is that beef about?

Right? What is the beef about? Right? What is the beef? I don't know. He's just like, you need to stick to military. I thought that was, you know, dancing on the guy's grave a bit, but that's fine, okay? That's fine. I think you honestly found that for no other reason

than I also was a Marine, and you wish that when I got out of service, someone else would dance on my grave when I got out. You need to stick to that Marine shit, okay? You don't know shit about fights. Luke, did you see Jan Blachowicz? Remember he got jabbed in the eye there by Rakic? He's going to need eye surgery.

Let's hear him talk about the kind of drugs you get for this, Luke. I still feel the drugs they give it to me and I enjoy it very much. I still feel the... I mean, what if Jan was one of us? Apparently he is, Luke. Dude, we got to get him on Room Service Diaries and be like, Jan, do you want to eat these brownies with us or what? Actually, he'd be fantastic.

Luke, are we doing another Room Service Diaries this week? It's going to air? Is that a thing? It might. It might. It might. I think that's the plan. All right, stay tuned.

We mentioned Eagle. Oh, we're going to watch JDS throw his fucking arm out, man. Yeah, here it is. Eagle FC 47 from Miami. Danny Segurja was there. Junior Dos Santos' shoulder was... I guess because it got deflected a little bit, it got dislocated. Or blocked.

That's his old man shit. It is. Your body's trying to tell you something there, JDS. Let's go over to Maki Patolo on the undercard though. Did you see this sick KO of Usher, Luke? He retired. Oh, look at that face first and then how was right a good good by the way great ref stoppage yes of how quickly he got there

um dude he retired this guy the guy left his gloves in the bottom the cage when he left and patolo fucking put it on him bro yeah this guy yeah i mean shout out to usher there tough fall oh but uh that's a good win i mean maybe patolo gets a gets another look luke from the big what's your favorite usher song um well you know if i'm dancing it's yeah without question but luke you know you make me wanna came on the radio the other day you know remember that 90s like was it 95 96 something like that uh that shit came on and i i had dude i i fucked i jacked the radio up i mean i was that dude in the indigo indigo orange uh subaru cross check but luke i was like you make me wanna boom boom boom boom boom boom yeah right you know what i

mean luke i was more a genuine wonk wonk wonk wonk wonk remember that shit from high school yeah i do i do luke look you know what the song of my senior year was i thought i thought of this when i heard it on the radio the other day uh i love sex and candy no well no the from marcy playground same same year by the way the the damn fujis hit the uh you know um you know uh strumming my pain you know one time you know in my pain the roberta what's her face uh song actually yeah there's no doubt that was the song of my senior year luke what about you so the song that they played at okay okay when you say like song of the high school year so i graduated high school in 98 like you have to remember where I was living at the time.

So this is Atlanta, Georgia. And you know, Casey and Jojo were big in Atlanta. I mean, they were fucking huge, obviously. So they had that song all my life.

I wait for someone like you. That one, that one, that was huge. My senior year. So yeah, that one. Yeah, that was pretty, I my senior year so yeah that one yeah that was pretty i mean i hated it i hated it i was listening to other shit but you know yeah you're like i'm listening to death shit but those other people liked it no look it was the prevailing song from that year and then um we lost our senior trip because we refused as a class to sit down for

the photographer he was like this foreign guy and he was like one more time if you stand up i will not take this picture so of course everybody stood up and he came running out and threw like he got pissed so we did a field day in the rain instead and they just played this that song over and over it was like the dj had like three records with him so he just kept playing it well listen i would like to say that you you bad for you, but remember, I went into a Waffle House and fired a 20 into the jukebox and played nothing but Waffle House songs and then walked out. Dude, I love that because I used to have this thing

where we'd go out in Waterbury to the more urban club bars, and I'd just go right in and put, same thing, like 20 bucks and do like Jimi Hendrix's greatest hits. And people would be like, yo, who did this? And they be like trying to find out who who was the one who did it all right it was me yeah that's right that's awesome i did so much degenerate shit i know we could do a whole podcast on it people would never listen to us again it'd be great uh also on this eagle card luke roosevelt roberts um takes almeida here and slam right yeah let the boys be boys he's like let me dig your grave with

your head here this is great wow that's yeah don't hold on to the arm bar that's some brutal shit right there uh luke uh everybody loves boxing but you know who really does portland trailblazers guard damian lillard uh huge time huge time boxing twitter fan he actually has pretty good boxing takes you ever like read i do i do yeah no i've seen him be interviewed a few times by boxing media as well this is him working on his shit did you see him in the ryan garcia gatorade commercial this is called a slip line um did i see him in the ryan garatorade commercial? This is called a slip line. Did I see him in the Ryan Garcia Gatorade commercial? No, I did not. I did not.

I think it's Gatorade. The two of them are in the same commercial. They're in a boxing gym. Yeah, it's pretty good. That sounds fun, I guess. Maybe. But I will say credit to him. He is a real boxing fan, like real, real, real, real.

Absolutely. Let's talk about Terrence Crawford here. Let's throw to the sound here. Here's Terrence Crawford on the Porter Way podcast where Sean Porter asked him, you know, is Spence happening this year? How confident are you this fight happens? I'm always 100% confident. Okay.

2022? Huh? This year for sure? This year. Okay. In Vegas. And like I said, I meant what I said. Once I beat Spence, if Charlo don like I said, I meant what I said. Once I be spent, if Charlo

don't move up, I'm coming for him. You didn't see the fight last night. You know, I didn't see the fight. I was here, but I heard he won. He did his thing. 10 round knockout, you know, congratulations to Charlo. You want the whole camp, you know, but you know, he on my hit list. Oh my God, dude,, dude, that that that that's all I need. Look, I'm ready. I'm ready to go. That is he's talking a big game. I mean, that's everything he's saying sounds.

Yeah, dude, everything he is saying sounds like fucking magic. But if it happens, God bless us. God bless us. Luke, not only is he incredibly talented in the pound for pound discussion, here's his daughter on the track for her school in Nebraska. Let's check it out. Are we really going to watch his daughter run track on the show today? Yeah, watch this, Luke.

Oh, she got her shoe fell off. Yeah, her shoe fell off. You think she's got a chance to compete, though? Well, based on how she's running already, yes. Dude, she's going to smoke these fucking kids. I mean, she lost her shoe. She lost

like four seconds off the start. Hold on. Is she going to win this fucking... I was talking all this shit. Dude, you got to be kidding me. Okay, this actually turned out to be much better than I thought it was. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. Dude, she fucking beat him by like a country mile. Yeah, shout out to the Crawford family there.

Shout out to Omaha. Oh, there's some good athletes over there. Good Lord, that was impressive. Speaking of Omaha, Luke, Bfc was there a week ago and your boy dakota cochran was back in the news luke he was why is he my boy he's in the bkfc main event against josh d-day dyer uh luke you said that you the first national interview radio interview you ever did or TV or national television. No, I did a spot for MMA Uncensored Live as like a correspondent. And then he was in the news.

And it was like, you know, at the time it was still interesting and noteworthy that he had done, you know, Gay for Pay or whatever. And so we had to talk about that. I was like, wow, I finally made it. And in many ways didn't, you know. All right. Well, Luke, if you're wondering how it went for him against D-Day Dyer, that it was i was like wow i finally made it and uh in many ways didn't you know all right well

luke if you're wondering how it went for him against uh d-day dyer here's a uh here's the result first i mean what i mean you guys first round loss luke it was a i mean i mean you know yeah all right hey good news you're not as clever as you think you are. I want you to know that. Luke, good news. It's Roley Romero fight week, and you know that gets me fired up. See, you don't understand. You can't hear Jimmy.

You can't hear Roley, Luke. Just before we throw to this, why are you not even remotely amused by roly romero um because i did not find his win over who was it at the jackson marinas marinas i thought he lost that fight and everything he's doing tells me you know i don't know how long it's gonna last see that part i don't know i don't know how long it's gonna last but he is going to approach the fight with Tank Davis who whatever else you want to say about Tank Davis is a phenomenal power puncher I think we can all say that pretty confidently

dude he's going to get decapitated I don't know what round it's going to happen this is going to be wild for as long as it lasts dude Roley is fucking coming to win did you see him in All Access episode 1 he's a different dude. It actually gave me more confidence that he can land shots.

Will he get knocked out? We'll have to see. I mean, the money will be on Gervonta for sure. But, dude, Roley's going to be tough. So, Luke, here's some footage that's been making the rounds again this week of Roley sparring Ryan Garcia. That's Ryan with the red shirt. Dude, Roley's up in his kitchen, right?

Yeah, but Roley's fighting like a, I mean, dude, what is this supposed to look like? He's being a jackass in the ring? Yeah, he's being a jackass in the ring. What's that supposed to mean? By the way, he's just getting wrapped up anyway. Like, none of this matters. Dude, he's got that, like, Maidana thing.

But so what? That Maidana kind of, like, unorthodox as shit, but goes after it. Luke, here's some separate Roley sparring footage that's also out from this week in which things got a little heated. That's the thing. That's Roley in the red headgear. This is at the Mayweather gym. You know they do the doghouse there.

They do, what, what like 30 round sparring you're not allowed to leave the ring okay I'm watching okay keep watching Luke this is a segment where I control you your time is mine this is epic. Great.

Feels like I'm watching a Great White Shark highlight reel. Okay. Don't forget, Roley can body you. He's got that judo background, Luke. Right? Dude, this is stupid. What are we watching? Okay, well, I got one more for you here.

None of this means anything. This is also Roley from his Judoka days, Luke. This is him on the right. Can you rate his work here? This is young Rolando Romero. Wait, where? Right there on the right. Okay.

It's riveting shit, Luke, right? Okay, gripping up. Oh, that was really nice, actually. Okay, okay. He goes for like an arm drag into a trip. That was great. That was really great. Thank you, thank you.

He'll also be fighting this weekend. But, Luke, you know I love him for his sound bites. He says, bet your house on Romero this week. Let's go to Roley himself. rich we all get rich bet your fucking house on rolly yes we do not do not bet your mortgage on rolly is what i would advise look we all get rich this weekend okay so there's something i mean here's the thing i mean to be fair like do i think there's a chance he could win yes especially if tank davis is unmotivated or something like that. Yes, there is a possibility. But BC, I have not looked at the odds.

I do not know what they say. You would agree that the likeliest outcome of all possible outcomes is him getting stretched. Agreed? Yeah, yeah, I agree. This is going to be two guys running into each other. But is Gervonta a little bit craftier and all a lot bit craftier but roly is bigger and he's looking at the thing about there's what makes it what makes roly

entertaining in the end he approaches these championship boxing matches like they're street fights he really does you know what i mean it's like i'm gonna just keep lining you up with that shot that i'm holding out here and teasing you with until I do. And I'm going to knock you out. So it's going to be interesting, Luke. I'm mildly, I think we're going to see something special. It's going to be wild. But I think we're going to see something special here. I will say this.

It's 100% going to be wild. Roley fights crazy. I just, obviously I'm not going to go get a loan out and bet it on him i just want to be very very clear that's why we go to you for the truth here uh look this is some extreme shit that dana white would never do but i want to ask you for each one would you do it let's start with this high dive oh he's white bro that motherfucker kept going how long was this drive that's jesus dana white would never even attempt this would you though luke which could you do yes i would do i would do it yes that's i i might i might even puss out at that height i'm not kidding oh let's go over to brazil

luke they call this uh uh pendulum jumping of some kind would you do i've done some cliff jumping before oh oh shit no it was scary scary as don't please don't misunderstand me oh jesus dude that's got to be okay i would do that i would do that i think i have to lose a little weight before i i would like test the integrity of the rope all right let's go over to the uh catapult skydive here all right this is extreme dude they're just launching yeah i'm not doing the rivers i'm not doing that no i'm not doing that luke i value my life too much i'm not doing that all right um okay yeah that's a little much for me hey get on this uh get on this uh here catapult there jethro we're gonna we're gonna done send you into the ravine yeah no you can

use my parachute come over here yeah all right uh one more for you luke uh would you put that parachute in your jam sport in your book bag. Gaff, have we got the next one or what? I mean, what are we doing here, Gaff? Is that the official sport of West Virginia? What is that? Oh, boy. I'm going to go with no. Senator Manchin comes home and we just launch him into the...

What the fuck are they doing? Fuck no. Are you shitting me? That really happened. Dude, look at these board pieces of shit. What? No. Fuck no.

All right. The key to this is just don't hit the rocks. What mechanisms of control do I have? None. Go that way really, really fast. If anything gets in your way, turn. Yeah. Okay.

Thank you. Let's go back to the subway, Luke, because pretty soon, if this COVID thing keeps going in the right direction, you and I could end up on a subway again. Let's check in on this, Luke. I mean, that guy, Luke. I mean, the New York City subway. I mean, I hope they all fucking... Dude, they're just the worst pieces of shit on this planet.

Dude. And I wish I could tell you this was Adam. I wish I could tell you this was out. I wish I could tell you this was like, oh, this never happens. Motherfucker, this happens every time you ride. Tell me I'm wrong, BC. Tell me I'm wrong. Every time you ride, there's some fucking weirdo doing things that you'd be like, does this have to be my Tuesday today? Does it have to be?

It's like a freak show, dude. It's amazing. It's the Mos Eisley Cantina, except no fun. Like, it's just shit. Well, Luke, some people know how to ride in style. Let's go to the next slide. Alright.

Okay. Get the fuck off. Just get the fuck. Dude, he's just farting all over that. I mean, are you kidding me? Okay. Dude. No, dude, this is every fucking time.

I've told you this before. We had the masking debate. I'm never going to wear a mask. I dare you to not wear a mask on the New York City subway. You're going to get every communicable disease known to man, plus fucking ticks and everything else. Yes. Thank you.

All right. We got a couple UFC 274 leftovers. Luke, check out this fan cam of Michael Chandler putting Tony Ferguson. Wait. Damn. Look how fast it is, dude. Dude, look at that angle. That is sick.

He just booted it straight up like he was trying to punt it. You know what I mean? Like it was not like a up and push. It was just all the way up. Just walk all the way up. Dude, that's a sick. That shot just, you're right, out of nowhere. How do you have that balance?

He didn't even, you know, he didn't telegraph it either. There we go. I found the word. I found the word. Okay. Luke, speaking of 274, did you see this video of this fan that attempted to rush the cage? Yes.

One of the many Mensa members of this community. Watch her just get slung into the air. This is my favorite. Sorry, bitch. Bye. Yep. Yeah, I was very glad to see her fail at this. Luke, our final two clips came by request from people in the industry that we know and love.

This is the first one from Gaffney Pierre, our fine MK producer. Have you heard of Armin Mellikin, the Greco-Roman star, Luke? No, but Jesus Christ, he is exceptional. I mean, this guy went for, what was it head like a like a seonagi basically and he gets turned for it wow dude that is yeah i figured you could decode this luke it's all just you know this is great yeah wow armenian strength yeah those armenians are strong as fuck yeah yes dude that's crazy that's crazy our last clip is from Danny Segura, Luke, of MMA Junkie in South Florida and, you know, our former teammate.

I think he calls this Puff Pass Abuela. Are you being racist? Why? Why? I don't think there was anything racist about that, Luke. Wait, so he takes it and then gives it to grandma. No, she demands it. She demands it.

Does she take it? Oh, right. Backwards. She took it backwards, Luke. And what is she drinking? Like a Jack Daniels fucking strawberry whatever the fuck? Yeah, this might be at Burning Man or some shit. I don't know, Luke.

There you go. That's the shit I got this week. I'll do better. You ever eaten a live blunt before no no i don't i don't i had a friend it definitely was not me i want to be very clear about this it definitely was not me i had a friend who was hanging out with another friend and the other friend saw that some cops were coming and so of the two friends one of them just took the blunt and then just ate it um while it was still lit ate the whole thing yeah yeah i've you know i've been in those parking lot situations before luke you know where you're like never but never like taking part though right never uh yeah luke i have lived my life fast and furiously which you know again my you know

my toes you know they tell the they tell the the story of my life look at what your toes tell the story of is that you don't clean them properly no no i do them but they're damaged because luke life is i mean i think that's why we're all born with the crack in our ass luke because it's to remind you that it's not going to be smooth and perfect, Luke. Okay? In your case, it's not going to be smooth at all, I'm sure. Just probably, like, gross, right? I mean, it's probably disgusting.

Yeah. I mean, I'm just out here soloing, Luke. It's great. It's great. You're a horrendous person. Yeah. All right, BC, let's remind everyone. vpn thanks to them for sponsoring the show that's probably the last show they sponsor and in fairness i wouldn't blame them you know i wouldn't blame them uh let's see

morning combat at gmail.com is gonna be the place to get us wednesday's fan subs friday's dead wrongs just to reach the show the whole nine yards showtime.com is the label that pays um let's see let's see i am gonna have an extra credit out today. I'm not sure when I'm going to record that because I have an interview at 1.30. That's also going to be out. I'm going to be talking to Demi and Maya, BC. I'm going to talk to Demi and Maya. I love that.

I love that. Anything coming up? Anything coming up? We're trying to get a Rolly Romero interview this week. I think I can make, you know, look, sometimes you look across the dance floor and you see and, you know, and you might have to do the you mind if we dance with the old dates. But I think him and I could make we could make on air magic together. I know you want to desperately have like what would be the equivalent? It's like you guys have this magical interview connection where you ask him inane things, knowing he's going to say inane things in response, and you just keep ratcheting it up.

Is that the idea? Yeah, it's like there's a canvas, and we just throw the paint at it aggressively, Luke. But sometimes, you know, after a while, it's like, you know, when you would tape on my cable box in the 80s as a kid, I would tape the nickel to the power button. And then that would force a de-scrambling where you can make out like a, you know, it could be an elbow or a shoulder. Be like, dude, I saw a boob. I saw a boob right there. It was like that, Luke. I mean, whether it was pay-per-view boxing or the spice channel i decode that that's what i did in

my life i was a decoder luke you know for most of my youth i think you spent much of your youth just in desperate search of pornography and or national geographic and that's how i found boxing accidentally i was like yeah this fits too this is competitive pornography it's great yeah uh all right uh let's see. Showtime.com for a 30-day free trial. If you like it, you can keep it. If not, you can pound sand. BC, got anything going on that the folks need to know about?

Any projects? I'm going to tell you that you may be seeing episode two of our reformatted room service diaries this week. That's true. YouTube.com slash morning combat. So be on the lookout. We'll have probably an update on wednesday but uh we'll be looking to get that out there look out for that um lucas dc as fuck as that sticker says look is that sticker uh party affiliated or is that just like no way

we love no no it's a clothing brand it's a clothing brand okay good good because luke i'm coming to dc bc i know you're bc is coming to dc i don't know how much we're going to get on camera but he is coming i can't wait look forward to it yeah yeah all right well let's close the show because i got to do this demi and my interview okay so we have a lot of stuff coming for you guys don't uh we'll have the demi and my interview coming soon we'll have uh let's see we'll have extra credit out today. Hey, have some balls and ask Demian the little nog question. See, that's less balls and more just CTE. That's what I would say.

Hey, Demian, there's a popular theory floating around right now. You know what I mean? I'm not saying I agree with it, but little nog. Did he ride the coattails? Did he know did he it's all right for this for this uh jamoke brian campbell the viceroy of connecticut i'm luke thomas we'll talk to you soon and until next time thank you for watching for malco cbs sports showtime the whole group may all of your gains be loyal