MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC Jacksonville: Overeem beats Harris | Jon Jones vs. Francis Ngannou | MORNING KOMBAT | Ep. 43

Episode Date: May 18, 2020

Episode 43 of Morning Kombat is here as Luke and Brian break down everything that happened during this weekend's UFC card, including Alistair Overeem's win over Walt Harris. They also debate whether the UFC should make a Jon Jones vs. Francis Ngannou fight. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

it is Monday May 18th 2020 and it is time, donks, for Morning Combat. Hi there. My name is Luke Thomas. I am one half of your hosting duo. I am joined by the gentleman on the other side of your screen. He is my friend and yours. You know him from CBS Sports, among many other places as well. It's the one and only Brian Campbell.

Hi, Brian. Top of the morning to you. Hello, Luke. I'm hearing you. Wake up, wake up, wake up. Remix style there. Hopefully the people are able to hear your voice effectively. I'm sure Jay can jump on that. But as you already know, Luke, we be the outcast down for the settle. Don't play rock. Don't play the pebble.

What we do bring you, though, is the most innovative. It is me, Jay? Jay, you can't interrupt the show 10 seconds in. Finish your weird intro. Yeah, there's dead air. Finish your thing. All right, why don't you zoom in on Luke? I'll fix my audio.

All right, here, Luke. Red Solo cups for everybody. All right, we, Luke. So red solo cups for everybody. All right. We'll get back to BC here in just a second, but a couple of housekeeping notes, as we always need to do. First thing, hey, you want to try Showtime? And why wouldn't you?

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Weren't you making fun of me for my technological snafus pre-show karma my friend castigo divino i'm barely hearing you here this is great it's live it's live uh tv it's tv of the future here on the internet i don't know if you can hear me luke but i'm gonna keep going anyway yes three needles indeed but look this is the most innovative show in the business luke the only one that tells it like it is brings it that's morning combat we're Hopefully, Luke, I don't know if you just referenced it because I couldn't hear you, but people caught us on Friday night, right? Little morning combat classics. They did a little Mayweather. My Donna won Mayweather McGregor evergreen content. Go back, crack a cold one, relive that with us. A lot of i think the deeper you go in that show luke the more likely you are to lose your job and uh we are to gain more fans so it's a great you know it's a great business plan all right well with that in mind let's jump right into the very first of these five parts of our rundown let's go right now to part one if we can so ufc UFC Florida is in the books. Alistair Overeem gets a win. He defeats Walt

Harris via second round TKO. Now here's the question, BC. I'm going to try and throw it to you first. Maybe that's a mistake, but we'll see how the audio goes. Let me ask you this, BC. At 40 years of age, which he turned on Sunday, what is still realistically possible for the Dutch heavyweight? He says he wants to keep competing because he wants a UFC title, but I'm seeing that BC cannot hear me. All right, well, then I'll answer this one while we can see if BC can fix this. So here's the question for everyone watching. What is realistically possible for the Dutch heavyweight at 40 years of age? I will go first on this one. Hopefully, we can repair the problems on the east coast here. The answer is, first things first, I think you have to take a step back on what Overeem accomplished here. He thread the most impossible needle on Saturday night,

which is to say the following. He didn't exactly have the world rooting in an angry way against him, but everybody was hoping for a fairytale ending for Walt Harris. And listen, that's a hard place to be in because I think a part of him probably also wanted only nice things to happen to Walt Harris. It just so happened that he was his opponent for that evening and of course prior to that UFC DC, but he was respectful to Walt Harris the entire time. And when the fight was over, the first thing he did was put a literal arm around him. He has only maintained a high degree of professionalism throughout this entire thing. We were in a scrum with this guy at UFC DC when he was asked about Walt Harris because he

had fallen through and Jairz Sr. Rosenstruck was the replacement. And he only had the right answers every single time. So that was an impossible feat to pull off there. Second of all, this was a really important win for him. He was nearly, he should have beaten Rosenstruck, but of course, things collapsed for him at the last second. If he had had another loss here, this would have been the first time that he would have had a loss in, I think, ever, but certainly recent memory,

where it would have been somebody outside the top five, really. He's had losses from guys in the top ten, but somebody who had never even been in the top five, somebody who had never even reached into that upper echelon, that was a new space for him if he had lost. Which is to say, Walt Harris is not a bad fighter, but this was the fight that he was looking for to get that signature win,

to get that elevation moment. He just hadn't done it yet. And so you wouldn't have said that Overeem had lost to a bad fighter, but you would have said that we are now entering a different set of territory for him. So what is possible? He still wants that title. I will not rule that out for him. I don't know how likely that is because when he gets to the really upper echelon of that

division against your Francis's, your Stipe's, and some other ones, he seems to run into some problems. But it should be noted for a guy who's been fighting literally since the 90s, you can look at all the changes inside MMA. They are reflected through his career. And for him to still be this competitive this late through this many versions of a reinvention is just utterly remarkable. So I don't know if a title is likely, but he has absolutely earned a spot at being certainly another high-level opponent in a major fight. But I'm not going to downgrade his chances. I'm not going to sit here and say it's not possible.

He is such a remarkable chameleon-like talent. And to be able to be this crafty, this late, and this devastating, and to not lay down the way he did when he had basically every incentive to, or certainly outside pressure, is pretty remarkable. Now let's go to BC here, see if he can hear us. BC, can you hear us? Brian, that's you bud uh hello i'm brian campbell welcome to morning combat

yes i will leave the zoom call and rejoin take it away on allister ovary all right i saw this fight on saturday look third card eight nights this heavyweight tilt certainly had that emotional potential. You almost wanted to see Walt Harris get that type of big win, giving everything he went through. And I really feel like this is going to go down as one of those more heartbreaking, gut-wrenching type losses because Harris was right there. He showed you everything in those first few minutes against a very game

Overeem that announced his potential potential as a legit heavyweight title contender in the UFC the size the explosiveness six five big ticket coming at you he hurts over him he bloodies him he's literally one clean strike or one flurry seemingly from getting Dan Marigliata to jump in and stop that fight. I almost feel like it would have been a quick trigger natural emotional response from Marigliata just to be like, yep, you got him. Game over. Big victory. Big win for people in the Harris household.

Unfortunately, man, the momentum can turn so damn quickly in this sport and we saw one of the most uh forgettable sort of big strike attempts that didn't come up uh positive for harris when he tried that front kick missed badly got off balance got essentially pushed to the ground and then this is where ovareem at 39 still has it this is where it becomes dangerous to call somebody celebrity gatekeeper because he used all the veteran tricks that are in his tool bag to be able to lean on Harris put on that gas tank and you have to believe the the emotions are so high for Walt in that situation that he's probably dealing with the stress of all crap I just made this monster mistake when the fight was just about

over and all of that seemed to conspire to just badly drain his gas tank over him did everything he could have and should have and i hate to say this but that missed strike from walt harris at the exact time that he did it it cost him the fight on the same level as the the weidman spinny shit uh against rockhold in the middleweight title bout that lost him the son and spinny shit against andy silva in the rematch right the uh stephen bonner spinny crap that cost him the anderson silva fight even though he was juiced up well tanned too nice abs for stephen bonner in that fight um harris had the chance even beyond his emotional story to really make that leap but he wasn't there because over him

did exactly what he had to do uh could oververeem get back into the title picture again? I mean, look, it's heavyweight. You age gracefully. It's pretty incredible the career Overeem has had that he's still at this level. I'd say it's unlikely he circles back to a second UFC title shot, but we know what heavyweight is, right?

It's a little bit hot right now. There's three, four, five guys we want to see at the title level, but that can dissipate quick and you end up with the same retreads and uh over him could retread his way back in there and that's not necessarily an insult it's a big win for him he you know to be that damaged early and to be able to keep his head and uh also keep his chin you know here's another guy after andre arlovsky you know a couple days before who were always willing to count out as chinny, and they find a way to fight through it.

Luke, are you back? Are you back in my life right now? I back. I back, BC. Can you hear me? Trust me, I can hear you. Oh, very good. BC, I got to tell you,

were you not impressed in the way that I was with Alistair Overeem, which was he had this impossible sort of task, which was, you know, spoil the fairytale ending, and somehow managed to do it in a way where two things occurred. One, he didn't piss off anybody. He was a pro's pro and a true martial artist, I will even say, throughout the course of the entire process. Then, he showed a level of determination to get this win.

He knew if he did not get this, if he finally entered into a territory where he was losing to a guy who had never himself entered the top five or had really ever been close to title contention, that at 40 years of age, which he turned on Sunday, he would be entering a level of defeat to someone that he never had before. He showed a level of resiliency and urgency that I'd never seen before. So to me, BC, it's like, can he win a UFC title? I don't know, man. I mean, he's got stiff competition at the top that he's already lost to on the other hand he's so talented and so crafty you just can't count this guy out yeah he sort of uh put himself in the same spot that I think Frank Mir was

entering the JDS title shot that maybe JDS was entering the Stipe rematch where it's like yeah the skills are still there even though we're in the second half of his career to be able to pull off the type of wins that gets you into those title fights but will he ever win one again unlikely but you love anyone who can turn back narratives oh he's chinny he's too old all that he not only did that but something you just sort of teased to the civility and human side of him helping wall harris up afterwards he you know he he pulls off one of the more villainous victories in a sense spoiling this great story spoiling this good this you know happy ending and all that and yet still comes off likable um not talking about stipe tapping at all

even though i know alistair felt it so it was a good night all together a uh good heavyweight bout that i think if you remove the emotional element of the story did teach us where both of them should be in the pecking order of the title picture so yeah very quickly where would you put wall Harris to me I got a lesson from this which was his offense is as dangerous as advertised but in terms of managing a fight and the different pieces of chaos that come with the risk there and how you assess all those things and when you press the gas and the brake, still a little bit to learn there for me. Yeah. And again, Luke, you can only, you don't know how much of that was the emotional picture as a whole.

And the short notice, you know, the short training camp, the quarantine, you put all of that together and we're still not sure on a fight by fight basis, whether certain fighters are going to be as good as we expect worse. You give him a pause on that but if we're going to be ultra critical and remove the emotion yes he did not look like the intangibles were perfectly there to be a legit title contender but again it's heavyweight he's only 36 he's still kind of figuring out who he is he's going to have time in that regard uh it was a sobering understanding of where he fits in that heavyweight packing order. All right, so that takes us now to the second of our points here in the rundown, which is about a different fight. There was lots of complaints, I should say, about the judging.

So let's talk about the co-main event. Claudia Gedelia defeating Angela Hill via split decision. I'll go to you first on this one, BC. How did you score it, number one? And number two, do you like... Well, actually, let's start there. How did you score it? What do you make of the controversy?

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you know all that crap no this is a close fight but this was more of a larger argument that you see in boxing the idea of damage versus round by round scoring look who won the quote-unquote max kellerman's story of the fight it was angie hill you know this could have been her fourth victory in a row she's not a journeyman this was her leap forward why she landed the bigger damage she bloodied claudia up she dropped her she showed heart she showed resiliency but again mma scoring is basic it's round by round who won claud Claudia won two of the three rounds. That's what it is at the end of the day. If you thought Angela won, it's not a robbery in either direction.

It was a close-ass fight. That third round decided it. You're really weighing Hill's consistency in that third round with the fact that Claudia did land, for my eyes, the bigger punches, was a little bit more aggressive, seemed to go after it. But it's one of those things where your eyes tell you one thing, but the scorecard tells you another. We had that debate on here.

Bring it on. Yes, I scored Keith Thurman seven rounds to five over Manny Pacquiao last summer. I still kind of believe it. I know the emotional thought in your head was, Manny still got that 40. He dropped Keith. He did all that. But it's a math equation at the end of the day.

We don't watch the fight and score it on a whole. Who won the fight? Emotionally, Angela Hill. I think Claudia won it, though. Which one it is? 10-9 must scoring system. 10-8 if it's a dominant round. I didn't see a 10-8 round in there.

I'm sorry. Even with the knockdown, I had it 29-28 there for Claudia. All right. So I had it 29-28 for Hill. And I'll say a couple of things. The numbers by themselves on this one, on anyone really, never tell the complete picture. But in the first round, Gedalia landing 21 significant strikes,

Hill just 10. In round two, 29 for Gedalia, 37 for Angela Hill, 34 for Claudia Gedelia in round 3 43 for Hill so Hill's output almost quadrupled essentially actually more than quadrupled over the course of the fight per the rounds I'll just say this

I thought it was a pretty what I wrote on Twitter at the time was it was a coin flip which is a mix between what I feel it should be what I think the judges might ultimately come to. I do think that Claudia Gedalia, when she landed, tended to land the harder shots, which is why I said the numbers by themselves don't prove that. That Hill deserves to be the winner.

But I thought she did enough. I thought her volume was more. I thought she had essentially forced Gedalia to fight her kind of a fight for the most part, except for some of the takedowns early. And I really feel bad for Angela Hill because this was their chance to really ascend through the division. She's had some good wins. She's been on a great win streak, but this would have been for sure the best one on her resume, and she just didn't get a chance to get it. Now, let me issue another caveat here, though, to all of this discussion. I've said it before. It sounds like I'm repeating myself to the worst kind of degree, but you have to do it again,

which is I did not think this was the strangest decision of the night, if that's what people mean by the various controversies. And then the second part, BC, you have to understand, you have to fully absorb how much latitude we offer to judges, even in close contests, to pick either side. We offer extraordinary means by which to pick A or B. And the subjectivity of their experience, which is, one, what kind of martial arts preferences do they have, whether they're cognizant of it or not. Like, do they value leg kicks? Do they not? What kind of weight do they give takedowns versus not? They're positioned in the cage, what they hear, what they see, what really washes over them from an experiential standpoint.

If you've never sat cage side, the fights look different than they do on television. All of this is to say, from between their biases, whether they're aware of it or not from their experience, which we cannot duplicate at home, All of this is to say, from between their biases, whether they're aware of it or not, from their experience, which we cannot duplicate at home, there's a lot of, and then the scoring criteria generally, which allows a degree of latitude,

all those factors in combination, whenever you have any kind of a close fight, you cannot be mad about the outcome. It's just the way that it goes. I feel bad for Angela Hill because I thought she got it done, and I know what this fight represented to her BC. But at the same time, this is why I think we need to experiment on Fight Island with different kinds of scoring criteria, Brian Campbell, because I just don't believe the one we have is the optimum one.

Yeah, the recurring problem presents itself again. We're using a 10-9 must boxing scoring system in a completely different sport with extra caveat like takedowns and kicks and all that. Not to mention five minutes is a long ass time, meaning in five minutes, there are enough potential for momentum turns or the idea of not just the typical scoring argument of damage versus activity, which comes up in boxing all the time, right? The jabber against the counter puncher who lands the bigger shots that debate's always there that debate doubles in mma

when you're mixing in different types of ways to score action in a fight and not to mention the sitting at home with your beer not scoring at home and just scoring with your eyes again yes the person that lands the more damage seems to be the one that won the fight because we're thinking of it like a schoolyard fight well that guy bloodied that guy's eye he definitely won or when the teacher broke it up that guy was the one on top again it's it's a math equation it's a fight that's scored by judges on a point system it's always going to be flawed compared to how you put emotions into it i want to say one thing because jay is trying to get us the hell off of here but i gotta shout out

jay luke can we remove the fourth wall and say this show almost went off the damn rails about 15 minutes ago your boy bc was like end the show it's over it's not working our peeps threw it back together luke i'm glad i can hear you now i I can see you. Let's move forward. Final point on Klaja. Not a good win for her. Not only was it disputed, that's not the physical shape that we've come to know Klaja Godella to come into. Quarantine, all that obviously takes into presence,

but this was her opportunity after so much frustration for seeing the last two fights fall apart at the last minute to showcase that Mark Henry new striking system to offset her already strong wrestling base. She did not show it in the end, Luke. She gutted out a close win, but that didn't show you this is a reformed, changed fighter

who's added new wrinkles to her game. Yeah, if anything, it just reminded you of the development and growth that Angela Hill has made, not so much what Gedalia has added new to her game. Now, that takes us to the third segment here, BC, which is about a different fight that also had some controversy. Dan Ige defeats Edson Barbosa. Now, this one was highly disputed, although I guess even that would not be the most disputed one. This was supposed to be Edson Barbosa's featherweight debut. He also loses to Ige via split decision. One more time, BC.

I'll let you have the first crack at this one. What did you make of the decision? We'll talk about what it means for both competitors here in a second. But the decision, how it was weighed, the fight itself, what do you think? The judges got it right again. Close-ass fight. Two rounds to one for Ige. Look, Barboza showed you in round one exactly who he is which

means he's a dominant striker who took the gamble of moving down in weight and was clearly the bigger man and landed the most telling blow of that first round now I think the most important strike though of that first round was Ige getting up and landing the flying knee and letting Barboza know this is not going to be a walkthrough but But from there, Luke, I gave Ige the next two rounds. And I think again, disputed decision. Yes, it comes down to that third round. It was a fairly even round. I just saw Ige as the guy who went after it. And that's the key in the end, the activity, the intention, the aggression. He really came out of his shell here because yeah, he had a five fight win streak coming in but none of those were against the class of Barbosa the potential danger of Barbosa he showed you the heart the IQ the poise

everything you need to see yes that's a clean but close win for Dan Ige if you had it for Barbosa it doesn't mean you don't know how to score but again can we stop with the robbery here from this fight all the way down even to Song Yedong. These are close fights, Luke. It's what you preferred in the end. Yeah, so I had this one. I was on the opposite side of you. I thought that I was glad to see Dan win in the sense that I know he's a nice guy and has worked really hard. I had thought that Edson had done enough in the end to merit it, but I got to tell you, when the fight was over, and we can talk about what it means for featherweight here in just a second, my big takeaway from this one was I did not think that... I mean, first of all, Edson looked huge at 145.

And I thought Dan continues to get better incrementally, fight over fight over fight over fight. He really is a case study in what it means to improve in real time. But for Barboza, here's what I learned about Barboza in this one. He's trying to refresh things at 145. Paul Felder's like, the dude was eating pastas and baked potatoes like it was nothing at 155. He can make it easier than you might think. Okay, fine. He can make it easier than we think.

It's not that much of a drain. It's not like Aldo going to 135, which seemed damn near impossible, you know, if you had watched the Mark Hominick fight. On the other hand, I don't think every fighter can do what Dan Ige did, which is to say, you know, get in his face, slug it out with him, take some big shots, show resiliency, push back the whole nine yards. I don't think every fighter can do that in that division. But I'll say this, the ones that can, all are going to. The blueprint for how to beat Edson is known at this point and i don't again let me be clear about this it's not that oh that's the blueprint everybody

could just go look at it and then go execute it i don't think that's true but i think that if dan who is a surging talent division can at least get as close as he did and maybe for some people across the finish line there's going to be most folks above him that are probably going to be able to execute that on some kind of a reasonable level, which is to say you might be getting some fresh matchups and he might get some big wins down there, but this idea of crowding his space, of getting inside boxing range, of pushing him backwards, of never letting him get rest, they're all going to follow this now. So you're running from the problems at 155

and there's probably some, you know, fresh territory at 145, but probably not like he hopes there would be, BC. And for that reason, I don't know how much I like this 145 move all that much. I don't like it at all, Luke. I'd love to be able to debate you on the opposite side, but Barbosa does not belong at this weight class.

It took on, it sucked on his gas tank way too much you saw that yeah he did gut it out to make that third round competitive where it was essentially kind of a flip him round but yet at the same time i felt like you saw corners of of being diminished in terms of you're waiting for that natural explosion to come but it's not there because it's too much of a sacrifice on his body against the very elite Barbosa has a great chin and a great will right we saw him I mean how the hell did he go the distance against Habib it was almost criminal the abuse he took um he's going to take a lot of abuse I think at featherweight the only thing is like the strikes won't be as heavy he'll be able to

endure them but it's all going to add up over time I think it's just bad luck here's a great you know a really good fighter who have shown you flashes of greatness in his career he just happens to be in the deepest and most dangerous division before this fight in ufc history where a guy that talented could lose four out of his last five against the very very best it is what it is i'm not saying he can't continue at featherweight and think maybe i have a shorter path to a title, but I think we know how it's going to end, Luke. I think we know the end of the book here and it's, it's, you know, it's kind of sad, but it is what it is. Well, again, I wouldn't want to say he can't get nice wins at that weight

class. He probably can. I just don't think a reinvention is exactly possible down a weight class. It's just too tough for him at this point. All right. So we go to our next point now, which is let's wrap up everything, BC three UFC shows in eight days in Jacksonville, Florida, as I slide to the right here like a true pro. What kind of grade can we say about overall with what the UFC is doing? There were the events. There were some of the controversies, the safety protocol and everything in between. What would you say? If I may go first on this one, BC.

Go ahead. I think the events, and I'm pretty sure you'll agree with this, the fights themselves, brutal. Jesus Christ, they were absolutely brutal. And I don't know if they were just brutal because... Brutal in a good way, Luke. Brutal in an inject me sort of way.

They were awesome, Luke. Well, well, the Anthony Smith fight was brutal, not in a good way. I don't think you can really make that case. I mean, that was very, very bad. So, that's not entirely true. But the point I'm trying to make is, if you were watching as a fan in general, you really got either what you paid for at UFC 249 or what you paid for in terms of your time to just watch it, I would give them a very high grade. I

say A, A-, something like that. Very good. In terms of the safety protocol, they didn't really adhere to a lot of it. I actually read the full document that the New York Times had picked up and what they matched it with. Dana White declaring victory that no one ever got sick. The reality is probably that's true. Probably that's true. You don't actually know because there's an incubation period for two weeks, and they only test them when they got up there. They never tested them right before or after the fight,

so we actually have no idea if, in fact, that is going to be the case. We didn't test them when they got home, after they traveled, which, by the way, is you're in this metal tube of recycled air. Again, these are all risks that everyone's willing to take. But I'll say this. There is a beginning of this movement towards getting back to it. You had NASCAR have an event yesterday where they actually did mind their social distancing cues, but they didn't even test for COVID-19 at this event.

So that was really weird. Then you have Major League Baseball proposing a set of safety proposals, which, by the way, BC, I don't know if you read it. I actually went through it yesterday and read them all. Boy, they got a much tougher task than the UFC does to try to get that right. They have to have a whole travel restriction set up that, I mean, is just crazy to deal with. So I'll say this. In terms of, I think, what the UFC wanted, they have to consider this either a home run or a stand-up triple, something pretty close. They have not crossed

the finish line, I think, in the way that they have. I think COVID safety protocol is going to be an ongoing challenge, which I think you would agree with but in terms of did jacksonville provide the ufc with the kickstart that they were looking for either for the national conversation or to get their fights going or to just give the ufc some shine yes yes it did yeah big time look big time i mean look you know again fourth wall removed i'm all over my day job at cbs sports hq the live streaming network giving ufc updates saturday night i'm in the studio uh fight by fight voicing highlights giving updates i mean it was the only game in town so while dana was asked afterwards you know

do you think you gain new fans during this he's like i don't care about that and whether that's true or not they did they had to have because oh by the way the three fight cards kicked a ton of ass luke it were really exciting they filled a void that we all sort of needed which was obviously live sports something that felt important that was a perfect distraction i think the fighters all sort of rallied together to raise the level of intensity in these fights despite the potential distraction of an empty arena and everything going on with this and i know what you said you know they they were sort of like, well, no one got sick. We, you know, we're good. Well, that's kind of what fight promotion is. It's sort of like nobody died. That's good. Let's go to the next town. I know that sounds brutal and ridiculous,

but it's a gamble to put on fight cards and fight in this sport. It's also a gamble to be the first ones to go out there and try to implement a covid safety protocol and pull it off did they have hiccups yes are there certain are they just going to find their own groove in terms of trying to prevent this and hope it doesn't break out yes they probably will but i think they accomplished a lot and meaning that there's no major black eye yes jacare uh got got sick and so did his team and now they figured out okay we need to be a little bit safer there. Yes, there was what I think is a legitimate issue with the whole non-disparagement clause

when it comes to media. Hopefully that is something that does not continue. Or even guys like you and me would have to question whether it's worth it to go cover a fight under those guidelines, which are just ridiculous. But larger picture, this was meant from a pro sports standpoint. In my mind, they were the Guinea pig and they were willing to be the Guinea pig probably for financial reasons, but they were willing to, well, it worked. So it's no surprise that as soon as that first and second card of the past eight days went off without too much of a problem, boxing promoters are given an interview saying,

yep, we got to, we got to come back date. Pro sports are trying to figure it out. Yes. It all was successful at the end of the day. It felt great to watch these fights. They were great. Um, at some point, Luke, we do have to, you know, clap a little bit and say Dana's craziness, his persistence. Um, you know, it fuels our daily job. And at the, at the same time he pulled it off. You know, he was reckless for a pretty damn while. You know, that soundbite in the Ioli interview of him saying, bring it on, Corona. Like, I'm never going to outlive that ridiculousness, Luke. But as a whole, they did something great, I think, for people. And they just happen to have people that are willing to take these crazy chances to do it.

They can keep doing it relatively safe, more power to them. Yeah, I'm looking to see a more refined product and a more refined system. I mean, I'm almost hoping that the restrictions in Nevada get lifted because I actually think that once they get going at the Apex Center, where they have just total command

and control of everything, I actually tend to believe that that will be the best for just quieting all the criticism because there won't be as much criticism to make, candidly the one thing I would like to push back on a little bit is this idea about did they get new fans now we had thought they had done 700,000 buys for UFC 249 because that was what was reported to be clear there was some interest around it but when you look at the prelim ratings they were less than the prelim ratings for UFC 248 I don't know what the ratings were from Wednesday. I guess we'll have to go and see,

but I don't recall them being spectacular. Again, for Saturday, we'll see. I saw a lot of people giving a verbal nod who were sports fans to UFC for coming back, but no one I know who didn't watch all of a sudden did. The idea that they built new fans i mean marginally which again that i don't think that that really matters in the end this was this whole experiment was not about let's get new fans if they had gotten new fans that would have been a bonus so that's only

though that's the only discrepancy we're really making here i'm just not of the belief like dude if you don't like bundesliga or soccer the fact that it was on is not and there's nothing else on on a saturday morning is not going to change your opinion either you like fighting or you don't like fighting i think people may have appreciated ufc more in an abstract way i just don't buy that there's new fans well while the basis of your argument is right like i'm not going to go out of my way to find bundesliga or korean baseball on some online stream this is espn though this is like front and center i'm flipping through the channels i'm average joe sports fan oh what's on the espns tonight oh it's them cage fighters honey honey

grab me grab me the shaffer it's the it's the one bear to have when it's time to have some fun yeah no i look yeah it probably happened okay if you went on certain you know websites or watch sports recap shows it's the only sport that's getting recapped so all in all it was a win for them but luke let's not try to act like it wasn't let's get the train back on the tracks let's fulfill our tv dates because that's where the money is for everyone to get paid not just the fighters but us by the way jay all jay deep cochlea eye, trying to get us out of here. Luke, are you going to praise Jay for putting the show back on the track? You're going to act like that didn't happen before.

I'm literally in the middle of having an allergy attack. I'm just trying to gut through the show. Let's go to point five here, if we can, BC. And I'll go to you first on this one. For point five, it is kind of interesting. Francis Ngannou and Jon Jones, and in particular Jon Jones, are just chattering with one another i'll ask you bc very flatly is this the fight to make at heavyweight while we

wait for dc and steve is this the one uh are you kidding me like hell yeah it's like you know uh i don't want to get my open my christmas presents early because it's only october oh but you mean there's a car in the garage? Yeah, let's open it. Let's start it up now. It's like this is the ultimate gift to the sport to not only have Jon Jones finally fulfill the potential to fulfill his destiny at heavyweight, be a two-division champion, you know,

inject some incredible must-watch elements to that division, but to do it against essentially mma's mike tyson who oh by the way happens to be so hot right now with those four straight first round ko's i mean look it is it would be such a massive present you i think look it's such a great fight i'd almost be like yeah sure strip stipe f the rules f anything let's make this fight right now the key is here luke. Is it for real? Now, they did ask Dana Saturday at the post-fight press conference. And he did the whole, you watch Dana's mannerisms lately after the fights?

Like, he's so, he's got the old man thing going. He can't really hear the questions. He's always like, wait, what? And then he's just sort of like, oh, those guys don't want, I don't think those guys want that fight. They're just talking. Well, you know, John's manager, Abe Kawa, did tweet out, no, John really wants that fight. I don't want i don't think those guys want that fight they're just talking well you know john's manager abe kawa did tweet out no john really wants that fight i don't know if john really wants that fight john has teased us publicly about fighting stipe for years about fighting a lot of people but if you were able to make that fight and you know what i feel about interim titles throw it throw an interim to throw a real title throw anything call the wbc have a

make up one of those gold lame titles that mean nothing that costs a couple million dollars do whatever this is a big time fight that's not just good from a pay-per-view interest celebrity interest but like could john be a legitimate heavyweight imagine if john went in there and won i mean now you're like are we gonna see john stipe for the full belt are we gonna see john dc3 at some point for the full belt luke i want to make one statement that i've made back in 2012 uh 2014 2016 i'll make it again right now even with john's slow diminishing skills where his mind is so strong as you point out his defense is better ever, but he's not the same explosive guy. I still think John beats every single heavyweight,

including Ngannou, and I obviously understand that Ngannou is the most dangerous one because of the quick, hard strikes from any angle. I just think some of the diminishing qualities at light heavyweight, where John has to work extra hard to beat guys like Dom Reyes and Mejeda

and hold them off, that gap at heavyweight in terms of speed, reaction time, heavyweight doesn't deal with that kind of Mayweather-like IQ. Jon Jones is going to go in there, Luke, and he's going to win the title and he's going to beat everybody. And that journey of watching him try to do that is going to be some of the most compelling fights this promotion in sport will see over the next few years.

Yeah, I mean, this is a super interesting one i actually think that there's any number of reasons to do this fight right number one it'd be huge that's enough to do what really in modern ufc quite candidly but beyond that if you want more than it put an interim title on it make it for the number one contender or you know a championship unification bout if you could get it done in short order, right? You're waiting for DC and Stipe to get going, and maybe that will take a while. In the meantime, these two guys appear to be jawing at each other. And if Francis wins, he would deserve a title belt anyway so that if he had a unification

bout, he could get more money. That's just my opinion. So at a bare minimum, it's a number one contender's bout. So that's another good reason to do it because we would all agree if the champ from the lower weight class came up who has a win over the previous champion in that weight class in DC, surely he'd be reasonably competitive if both fighters won it. Then on top of it, dude, that fight is very competitive. I know a lot of folks may not want to hear that, but it is really true.

I take the improvements that Francis Ngannou has made seriously. They are real. Certainly his coaches believe his cardio is dramatically improved. But I don't think folks fundamentally accept the reason why John keeps winning despite what appears to be some offensive deterioration. As I've indicated on, dissected a number of times, he has extraordinarily high fight IQ and has lights out defense. He is hard to hurt.

He is hard to hit. He knows how to manage a 25-minute fight over five rounds beautifully. We watched Mayweather on Friday Night BC. What do we say about that? That guy knows every inch of that ring, every way in which to press the gas, press the brakes, lean on the ref, and have the ref not be involved, whatever he needs. He knows how to command all of it. Jon Jones is exactly the same kind of way. Dude, he is a very tough matchup for Francis Ngannou. Now, Francis, who is a force of nature, I think it's fair to say is a tough matchup for just about anybody too. But you look at this fight,

here's what I would say. I hope that Dominic Reyes gets a chance to get another crack at Jon Jones or even Jan Blachowicz or maybe Glover Teixeira all those bubbles down at light heavyweight they're doing great things BC and I know you agree but there's no reason to not do Jon Jones versus Francis Ngannou belt or no belt there's no good reason not to and every good reason to do it there's every reason bc if a promoter's making a fight has to check the boxes this one checks all of them and there's you know there's no reason to keep john at light heavy there's no reason to fight reyes a second time ahead i said all these guys were you know you may end up losing it it's like it's it's like when gsp whenever we talk about

his potential comeback for him, there's a reason he never came back and fought Woodley for the title. There's nothing to add there historically. At this point for John, I feel like the matchups will actually only get easier. And I know there's people

that are hearing that going, what are you, crazies or heavyweights? One punch can finish him. Yes, they can. But can we not act like John has a legendary chin? Luke, a legendary chin. Luke.

Massive, massive. Legendary. John Jones does not get knocked down. This is the thing. He doesn't get hit. And when he does get hit, he just rolls with it. It's unbelievable, the point you're making. So I agree.

To me, like, dude, we have consensus on this one. I don't know when the right time is to make it. That's a different scenario. But the sooner the better, that is the fight to make in the UFC right now. Does John really want it, though, Luke? That's the question I'm going to interrupt you to say. Does John really want it? You two have a history.

Tell me the truth. Tell us all the truth. I think what would appear to inspire him, if you take his social media messaging seriously, is OSP and the relative success he had at times against Ben Rothwell, which is sort of a crude way to assess how he would do. But I think also, you know, he was saying, I'll fight Dominic Reyes again if the UFC makes it worth my while.

But are they really going to do that? We had Henry Cejudo retire, and now his manager's coming out saying he's not really retired, which I don't understand why you would say that as a bargaining position. But again, you're seeing people try to take different tactics from Cejudo's retirement to Jon Jones saying this, well, he's got to make it worth my while. I tend to think the UFC might try that a little bit more with the Francis fight, maybe adding a belt on top. He's already got one, right?

So he can have the two belts there. That's the kind of bling bling that gets Jon Jones a little bit excited. Plus, if you look on his Instagram, dude's been deadlifting again. Heavy, heavy, heavy weights. I think he's ready to finally make a move because it's do the same thing you've been doing or finally, finally, finally try something new. The quarantine and the pandemic is a time to just make some changes, BC.

I think he absolutely wants it. Yeah, it's up to us as a people to make some changes, right? Change the way we eat, change the way we treat each other. Maybe shout out Jay for saving the show earlier. Maybe actually understand that Jon Jones did get that booty call in Albuquerque when he got pulled over. We can't avoid the truth. You know what I'm saying, Luke?

I'll leave that very capable analysis to you. Let's do this, BC. That's it for our five points. It's time now where we get the readers and the viewers to, listeners I should say, to ask us some questions. It's time for DMs from dogs. Little thing there. Honk.

All right, now BC, I'm going to ask a favor. I am literally having an allergy attack on the air, so I'm going to throw to you the first one of these while I go and get some medicine because I can't breathe and my face is melting. I'll take over the show, Luke. It's fine. Here we go. Let's throw the first one up here if we can. was open enough to say that the decision spelled wrong when they got was bs what do you think yeah yeah they will i mean it does happen rarely from time to time where a guy is is

is truly honest it just doesn't um it doesn't ever help you business-wise to admit that in the moment. Because, you know, it's the potential for rematches, the potential of keeping your standing financially. And at the end of the day, that's what the game is all about. So it really never behooves you. But yeah, there are some really honest fighters. And look, for the whole ridiculous referee Keith Peterson situation, I thought Dominick Cruz was one of these guys, was one of these pillars of honesty who would

just always sort of tell you like it is. Well, I guess he's still on brand with that, right? Saying that, you know, I did get a text from Dom asking him on Saturday, you know, I saw Keith Peterson in the cage. What did he smell like this time? And bitches and cigarettes was the deal. So shout out to that. But no, we will see that.

It just doesn't behoove you to do it in the moment. So you don't often to that. But no, we will see that. It just doesn't behoove you to do it in the moment. So you don't often see that. Sometimes, guys, the competitiveness kind of rolls back. They take some space from it. Then they can admit, yeah. Now, would I like Tim Bradley to say, there's no way I should have won that first Pacquiao fight? Yeah, I would like that.

But at some point, you're also a competitor, and you're always going to be a little bit more biased to what you did in a fight. Here's also the problems that fans have bc i think you would agree years later you'll talk to these guys off the record at a gym or at a media event and they'll just tell you they shouldn't have won that one i've had that happen a number of times or like i don't know how i got away with that one or they'll have a measure of candor that they can't have while they're still actively competing using any bit of leverage they can to get ahead.

It does happen. It just doesn't happen in a public way. I'll give you that. All right, let's go on to the next one, Jason. Yeah, Jason. This is from ThinkIt'sBroken22. With Bryce Mitchell getting camo shorts and now Brian Boom asking for tie-dye

is it time for reebok or the ufc to let fighters have a bit more character bc it's that's an interesting question because we're all sort of against um in our hearts in a lot of ways what reebok the deal represents right it took potential money out of the everyday fighters hands and it you know sort of institutionalized the look and feel but at the same time I think that has added to the sport having almost this uniform you know there's some adaptations in there you can wear the long sleeves as a female you know the there's different ways you can wear the tight ass shorts as we saw uh Vera over the weekend or you can you know whatever you want I do kind of like the uniformity of it you can pick

your own color you can do that going in that extra direction of tie dye and all that i mean it comes down corporately what you want your look to be luke do you want to go back outside of the financial situation do you want to go back to seeing condom depot and manscaped on the crotch and all that you know dynamic fasteners it does sort of have a triple a feel when you look at like the outfield fence no it doesn't in fact manscaped was on the octagon uh the entire time so to me it's like wow we're gonna tell fighters you can't have a condom depot ad but we're gonna put a pube trimmer as mma mania said on the surface of the octagon the octagon can be littered with ads but not the fighters themselves well this is this is separate the money this is the same thing i'm just saying aesthetically aesthetically

it's okay for the octagon to be littered with ads it's not aesthetically okay for the fighters it's a completely incoherent argument it's just designed for control there's no real there's no good reason for reebok to exist at the way that they do it's just not there's not one i'm not sitting here and saying the reebok should be the way it is. I'm certainly not talking about the financial side. I get it. I'm just saying. You're asking, do I like the uniformity?

No, I do not like the uniformity. What makes boxing so interesting to me is its absolute lack of uniformity and somebody gets a chance to stand out. And by the way, which the person may not know, I've actually interviewed Bryce Mitchell about this. So Reebok tried to send him a pair of camo shorts once as like a prototype. And he said it was so bad, it's funny enough, that it looked like tie-dye and he refused to wear it. He said, there's no chance I'm wearing

this. Here's the other part of the problem, BC. If they had a partner, I got some Reebok gear, it fits nice. But in terms of their creative, Reebok is not good at creative. They're not. And this is a sport where you need to let fighters have some creative shine. So I would buy your uniformity argument if they had a, I'm going to make this up because I don't know that this is true, but let's say Nike was better at it and Nike could really tailor to that guy guy's needs and this lady's needs i would be much more willing to hear it but because reebok is uniformly bad at it no pun intended uh no i don't buy it i guess the final thought is i just don't

want to see things littered if you're going to say here's a littered pair of shorts like a nascar car or here's a sort of uniform streamlined look. I think corporately image, it looks better streamlined. Now could a Nike work with Amanda Nunes and create a lion on the side of, yeah, okay, if you're going to go in that direction and really do it right, yes, of course I like flashiness. I mean, I'm BC here, all right? Come on. We go to AllIver,

AlLiver0708, and they say, now that the 2020 PFL season is canceled, well, they postponed, but what, okay. Should we get excited about the potential for Kayla Harrison to move over to the UFC? Does anybody care? BC, she's a 155-er.

I don't know if she can even make 145. UFC is hanging on to a 145-pound division by the skin of its teeth. Yes. And she's still with PFL. So... And she gets paid really well there, Luke, when you can win tournaments worth $1 million.

And by the way, you're heavily favored to win these tournaments and you're being presented by them as sort of the face of the franchise. And, by the way there's no division four i mean come on you know if they could work together and make a crossover super fight which the ufc doesn't do by the way that's why m1 global was never your co-promoter for uh randy versus fedor um yeah sure i could be interested in some kind of big fight, right? Like Amanda versus Harrison meet in the middle, but it's not going to happen.

Plus, don't they train together anyway? Yeah, they both train at ATT. That's right. You'd have to do something else. Like is a Kayla Harrison versus Felicia Spencer bout while intriguing a super fight? No. It'd have to be Cyborg.

It'd have to be Cyborg. It'd have to be cyborg that'd have to be cyborg i have to be cyborg or well that would be a bellator crossover which i guess they might do but the other part is i know megan anderson can't or she can make 145 obviously but it's hard on her you could do megan anderson versus kayla harrison but that's just a real yeah i'd be interesting because it's a contrast at the end of the day though luke at the end of the day though, Luke, at the end of the day, is the juice worth the squeeze? I love Kayla Harrison. Is she worth it on a marketable, promotional level to do something like that? No, people still don't really know who she is yet.

So now is not the time. This is the problem. The argument that she isn't yet a star is not a reason to assume that she won't be. I actually think she has extraordinary star potential. The problem is, do you have the runway with enough women for her to fight in such a way as to lift her? Ronda came into bantamweight at the time when bantamweight was super hot

in terms of the number of noteworthy pieces of talent she could go up against. There's just none of that here in this case. I love you calling female talent hot. You never do that on the show, Luke. That's not what I'm doing. That's not what I'm doing. You're just a weirdo. All right, we go now to TVGC MMA.

And they ask, what's better, BC? What's the better performance? Flew Jordan, which turns out is not really Flew Jordan, or repeated week-long coke binge Diego Maradona throughout the season and then the Napoli winning the league? What do you think? Is Diego Maradona's coke binge? Yeah, certainly Maradona without question.

But, you know, Jon Jones versus Gustafson, the first fight, pretty damn legendary. You know, jokes aside, booty call aside, pretty damn legendary to gut that out. Can we have this conversation? I know we're going to talk about the Lance stance later. We every week it's been a fun five-week journey but luke that went that was no flu game that was no uh food poisoning game yeah that was the hungover game can we understand something here i know hungover was sort of the working theory right in in the same

working theory of jordan didn't play nba in 94 and half of 95 because he was suspended for gambling i'm not saying i believe that but i think it's even more than a hangover hear me out real quick okay even ken burns has criticized this documentary by saying look it's too not jordan centric but jordan has too much control of the narrative now i'll counter a ken burns or a director j of MK criticism and say, you got the access. You got Jordan. He doesn't speak like this. He's giving you a 10 out of 10 performance.

Prop him up and let him be the whole show, which they did for the most part. So that's successful. But you understand Jordan's inner circle. It's no different than Mayweather's inner circle. Muhammad Ali's inner circle. Their entire livelihood, past, present, present and even future even though he's retired is predicated upon protecting him all of them the personal assistant the security guys who we found out that one dude was like a father to him the great dude with the mullet that guy their whole

life is keeping the kind of secrets that don't get out you're telling me that this is a Michael Jordan who we've already established during big playoff series would go to atlantic city to gamble or before game one of the 98 finals as we saw in last night's show he was drinking beer during the day and smoking a cigar to kind of like relax and prepare himself mentally now he can pull that off because they showcase so well how incredible his in-the-moment focus is. Yet, you're telling me that guy in Boondock, Utah is not going to try to find some fun when he's always sequestered to his room? He's going to sit around with his guys and at 10 p.m. go, oh, yeah, I'm hungry.

Can somebody drive 50 miles to get me a pizza or have five people deliver? No. There was women. There were things. It happened. Luke, there was women. There were things. It happened. Luke, come on. It happened. Okay.

Let's fess up. It happened. Yeah. First of all, it's like, are you black Jesus as you claim or are you not? Quit your bitching. You want that title? There's a little bit of responsibility that comes with that title. And that's sucking it up.

Get some straws, MJ, and suck it up. Okay there, big guy. Put on your big boy pants. And when you say suck it up get some straws mj and suck it up okay they're a big guy put on when you say suck it up do you mean admit it that's what you're saying right admit it no i'm making fun of him because i don't think it was the flu i absolutely think it was some partying related thing where a mix between you know hungover who something else you know god only knows but i don't actually buy that it was the flu and the pizza thing probably, I think the pizza thing was like 10% of the story. Like, I don't think it's not true.

Why do you think he got that hungry for pizza, right? He's probably partying and somebody put, I mean, look, things happen. Look, I didn't expect as we told when we were telling drunken stories the other night that the day before Mayweather and Madonna 2onna 2, that morning, I'd be throwing up all day until a half hour before the fight. Professionally, it's a bad look for me to share that story.

But you know what, Luke? It happened, all right? I had eight beers the night before, and it happened. Mike, just say it. Bro, just say it. Listen, there's been some mornings where I needed some coconut water. You know what I'm saying, BC? It's happened, all right?

This morning looks like one of it. You look disheveled over there, Luke. Get it together, all right? Well, no, I didn't drink last night. It's just my kid. My kid is under the impression that I am Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and she is Guantanamo Bay, and she's going to torture me to death from lack of sleep.

I don't know why, but she's decided that. I love her to death. I think you need to protect the sanctity of morning combat by having Abuela take over Sunday nights, okay? I'm not trying to tell you how to run your farm over there, Luke, okay? But come on. I'll do my best. All right, last but not least, MMA News 79.

This is true, by the way. Angela Hill's grandfather, I don't know if you know this, I don't know the story, but I know that I've seen Rogan talk about her grandfather, was abducted by aliens. She believes this, this person writes, and that they are open to the possibility. BC, how open are you and I to thinking alien abductions are real?

I believe. Now look, I'm a truth-er on a lot of topics that have made you unhappy, that would make other people unhappy. I don't try to put aliens in my top five of things to convince people on. I'm just saying, Luke, as I say often, I've seen enough to know I've seen too much. And, yeah, you know? Yeah, well, I mean, here's the thing.

I mean, I don't know about Angela Hill's grandfather, but usually most people who try to, you know, swear up and down about UFOs, I mean, they've got more UFO sightings than they do teeth. So they're not really credible speakers. But I'll say this. When the Navy and the Pentagon released that footage of these quite literally unidentified flying objects,

that got my attention. I mean, it was always a scientific possibility. I mean, could we really be alone in the universe? That seems terribly unlikely given its vast size. So in that sense, I always sort of took it seriously. But the speakers, you know, I'm hunting for Bigfoot. Oh, are you? Is that what you're hunting for?

You're hunting for your sister wife. But in this case, I am very open to the idea. It's the same thing I need every time, BC. I just need evidence. I need evidence. Real evidence. When you admit that you would believe in something like that,

people automatically think that you're saying a flying saucer. You admit that there's a flying saucer that could land in your backyard and scoop you up. I'm not necessarily connecting the dots that deep, but it's a weird thing in my life.

Do I think that the planet has been visited by not just like bacteria that rode on some kind of comet that hit the earth, I'm not talking about that, has been visited by intelligent life that came, visited, observed, and left? I take that possibility seriously. I'll put it that way. Do you believe that the Illuminati

That really runs this world with the Rothschild Family in the European banks That they're possibly Reptilian as well or are we not Going that far? No I read books BC sorry I can't go that Far with you my friend but you know I read books on the way to the Cannibal Corpse

Concert yes yes thank you Thank you Corpse Grind for being a pillar to your society. All right, BC. This is where you take over the show. We have a little bit of fun. Take it away, good sir. All right. You know what we do?

Animation, please, Jay. There we go. We scour the globe for the good, the bad, the high, the low, the in-between in combat sports. I do want to shout out something quick. Look, I find all these every week. I produce this segment. Shout out to Gaff for taking my shit and combat sports. I do want to shout out something quick. Look, I find all of these every week. I produce a segment shout to gaff for taking my, my shit and,

and, and, and organizing it behind the scenes. But I have now an army of people look, not just the people that send me inappropriate stuff, but people like at the drunken Swan on Instagram who just make it their week long journey to arm me with the goods for this. I pick and choose Luke,

right? I pick the good apples from the bad, but I have people, okay? I'm building an army. Shout out to all of them. Let's do it. Hold on, give me a second here. I know we're live again,

but it's not like it's the first screw-up we've had on this show this time. This show has been a semi-good, semi-train wreck. Mostly a train wreck. All right, here we go, Luke. We're going to start in one championship. Check out this front kick from hell. If you can roll the footage here luke um first of all is that guy wearing a diaper who's got it right there but second of all wow luke that's pretty good that's not a crane

kick that's not silva against uh uh you know what i'm talking about, against Vitor. He skipped into it. Yeah, that's like a leaping front kick to the face. That's some good stuff right there, Luke. I know you like that. It's a nice way to start the program. All right, let's go to Glory Kickboxing. Luke, you may have seen this.

You may be woke to this. I've never seen this brawl that broke out here from this cheap shot in Glory Kickboxing. Let's check it out. First of all, protect yourself at all let's check it out first of all protect yourself at all times all right first of all but watch the corner of that busted up gentleman right there react to this luke we got a melee look at this this ain't mayweather judah this is the real thing oh my god luke bro oh there's big mike from mike's gym yeah. That's big. That's Mike from Mike's gym. Is that Mertel Grunhardt? Who is that? I don't know, but you can't turn your back like that.

I mean, the ref can't get there in time. Look at his face. Look at, I mean, he got effed off. Dude, that's like, that's some, that's some Mayweather, Victor Ortiz shit. It is. It is. But look at the, look at the boys coming. It's like UFC 229.

Oh, Habib off the top rope with the drop kick on Dylan Dennis. There we go wow i mean that's some that's some bruce see that ish all right let's go to uh ufc jacksonville over the weekend check out this nerd i know you saw this nate land we're um issued the damage to darren the damage elkins by uh making his face fall apart but luke this like roy jones one arm behind the back bs uh the train here talking yelling dana's name in an empty arena can somebody this is where it's like can somebody pull out a rifle can we get this guy out of that i mean like luke i get if you're young conor mcgregor and you're on the scene and you just knocked out dylan brandow and you want to do a whiskey shot with the

and you want to have that boldness who the hell hell is Nate the trained land wearer to be doing this to an institution like Darren Elkins? Well, here's what I'll say about this. Listen, man. He was feeling it. He was feeling it. I'm not mad at him for feeling it and he won the fight and God bless him. On that level, I got no problem, but if you're going to do

the Roy Jones thing like that, you can't stand a kickboxing range. Right? You got to do it. You got to be able to get hit. And you should probably finish the dude, which granted, Darren Elkins is hard to finish. I'm just saying, I'm not mad at the swag

he was feeling in the moment, BC. I'm mad at the swag in the second fight. Luke, the second fight of the night against a guy who takes damage. I know, but he got a little too far out in front of his skis on that one that's what i'll say all right before you roll the next one don't go to the next one yet but did you see the post fight interview i don't have the footage but did you hear his voice luke now look i love me some middle america right i

love me some uh hick diaz i love me bryce mitchell but did you hear the uh the twang on the train right here oh the guy is, that's Deep South. All right, before we roll this next one, okay? Luke, I try not to put like completely mainstream videos on here. The stuff that like your mom sent you or Robin Black or Barstool or whatever is already put out there 25 times. But this next clip was sent to me at least 150 times in the past week. It was a record for have you seen this shit.

I know you've seen it. You posted it yourself. Here's star of the fly, Jeff Goldblum, during a Richmond street fight. We got to watch part one here, Luke. I know you love this one, okay? I follow the neighbor on Twitter. Apparently, the shirtless guy mouthed off to him and made an inappropriate comment about women. Stance switch.

Bah! Hit him. So suddenly, Jeff Goldblum turns into Kung Lee here, Luke. Listen, I'm just going to fuck you up. Take that one. Yo, Ian Malcolm from the Jurassic Park is the shit, bro. He will fuck your world up. He broke a rib there.

I mean, he kicked the guy's ass, but most people did not go down the timeline of the neighbor kid who posted it. Have you seen part two, Luke? Ten minutes later, they went at it again. Did you see it? Yeah, they got the sticks out, but my man switched stances here. Look at this.

And here's the rematch. Shirtless man just wasn't having it. Keep shooting it through a pane of glass there on your Samsung S s3 fuck face oh this is alternate angle is this not the rematch there we go no this is i gave the wrong the rematch the rematch they start stripping down with the weapons yeah i thought i gave them the rematch anyway there is a part two in which uh the guy the shirtless guy comes out with a stick right and he starts uh but this is this is the of... You're not going to get this joke, but shout out to everyone in Richmond.

This is the king of Chaco Bottom right here, boys. Luke, aren't you trying to portray that your sister lives on that street? No, no. This is the fan, which is actually a nice area. They're just on a side street here. It doesn't look that great. But the fans...

Richmond's a great... Dude, Richmond is a great party town. It's great. I love Richmond. All right. All right. Get the part two with the weapons. Yeah,

we don't have, do we not have that? Jay, can you speak to me through my ear, Jay? Did I not give you the, I think I gave you the wrong one. No,

I did. I did, Jay. I did. Anyway, if anyone wants to find out at fallen, Leo is the neighbor who filmed this. You can find it. Jay, I did send it to you. i got it right here if you check that that original text thread you

probably can't get it up there but uh bro by the way my man is my man is my man has no business being shirtless and has you are not gonna fat shame this redneck into putting on a shirt ladies and gentlemen i mean it does tell you something luke in the day, whether it was a schoolyard, a bar, you could size up a guy by looking at him and go, okay, what's the worst that can happen to me? I mean, I can get knocked out. I can get punched. But then when MMA became prevalent,

you never know who's hiding these skills, Luke. You never know who can hoist Gracie you, or you never know that this dirt hole Jeff Goldblum can turn into a licensed killer. Well, you know what? When he switched stances right there, bow. Oh, God. That's what he was like.

Yo, take this. This is what you get for making velociraptors. Fucker. Yeah. All right. We're not going to get the second part, but find it on Twitter. There's shout out to Fallen Leo. By the way, Fallen Leo, I did research him a little bit.

Luke, he fronts a band that would be right up your angle all right a lot of screaming and and satan and death and stuff so shout out to that all right hey let's let's go to a uh a hoops game here uh you got to protect yourself at all times we already established that in glory even if you're sitting on the top row luke check that out yeah wow kill whitey luke check this out oh that is awesome that's great that is great i don't even i don't even understand what he's Yeah. Wow. Kill Whitey Luke. Check this out. Oh, that is awesome. That's great. That is great.

I don't even understand what he's trying to do there. That's the thing. It looks premeditated. It looks like, I mean, look, you got to save that over your head. What is he doing? I've seen it where they jump out and then they grab it and they throw it behind themselves. I've seen that. I've never seen it where they did a volleyball spike onto uns unsuspecting poor white girls tag you're it that looks like d3 college hoops right yeah there's too many whites on the court is that is that brian daly a point guard over there

will he be starting all right all right all right let's move on here to uh you know i love me some gender reveal fails luke check out this gender reveal attempt here's the pitch oh god just a bit outside it's like a it's like a slow motion you know uh if if you're the dad here what you're gonna show plate discipline now you're gonna you're gonna good eye good eye pop you know i mean come on he's like you know he's like that's way outside the strike zone fuck face i'm not swinging at this you know it was his his girlfriend who threw his wife who who threw that too and he's like oh come on honey i told you right very high and inside we're chest high come on no also uh shouts to the person there who caught that with their face not even have their hands up why are you in the catcher's position if your hands are on the ground?

Well, I could make a joke about that. But here we go. Let's roll on here. Let's go to amateur wrestling here, Luke. Oh, by the way, congratulations. It's a boy. There you go. There you go.

There you go. Here's a technique that we don't see often, Luke. I think it's called an oil change. This is great. Yes, oil check. It's called the oil check. You're supposed to be grabbing the tailbone is what you're supposed to be doing but they will just take the sequel to above the rim luke you know boy this was me last night in the bed scratching my rear end because it was so itchy

yep yep shout out to mcdojo life i've been uh dm in that dude i love those oh he dm me too he's like thanks for all the stuff i'm like dude you're the one making our lives better we talking about the mount rushmore of have you seen the shit providers or our mcdojo life uh hoagie farts hoagie farts nut shots yeah those are cte society cte society yeah all right hey look here's the best one of the week i've never seen this before uh let's go to a yankees red sox game jd.D. Martinez is your Red Sox right fielder on this ground rule double. Look at him. He's going to try to grab two. Oh, I think he did.

Luke, you're going to have to see the slow-mo here. I didn't see anything. He needed to brace himself, Luke. Okay. Nice shot. Who's the batter there? Nice shot down the line. I'm not sure.

All right, let's see. Right by Pesky's pole there and look at jd just just uh more than a mouthful wow that was like that was like rampage when he was being interviewed by karen bryant just you know yes no that's assault brother yeah that is great I think his hand got lost in there, Luke. That was great. You wanted front row. Isn't that what Gallagher used to say? You wanted front row, Luke.

Listen, you came to a show where a guy smashed watermelons. Don't be upset. Don't be upset when they smash watermelons. Jay, you said something, Jay. Share it with the people, all right? Jay? All right, great show. Glaber, Torres. I'm sorry. i stopped watching baseball a few years ago it's for old guys old white guys sorry um all right

let's go on let's go on luke uh you you gotta love you some drunken girls right they congregate in the bathroom it's selfie time oh we're so drunk we're so drunk and then and then the then the then the big one comes in luke she wants to oh no no that's not fair that's not nice luke that's i mean that's i mean it is uh uh yeah only the strong survive it is very darwin of this but uh you know yeah god there's so many jokes i can get i make that would get me fired right now uh well yeah okay maybe we should roll on them look i did enjoy that though um you know what i've been on my guilty pleasure this uh pandemic has that's the one there's the one i'll make that's the woman that's hilarious that's the woman that uh rob schneider was referencing when it was like holy shit it's bigfoot fromfoot from Deuce Bigalow, Mil Jigala.

There you go. I'm with you. I can't go any further. I'll get fired. Check out this great graffiti work, Luke. Nice Wendy's billboard. When was the last time you had a Wendy's Frosty? So I haven't had a Frosty,

but I crushed $11 the other day for lunch at Wendy's and my wife got very upset at me. Wow. Very upset. I've not had a Frosty and I can't remember the last time I had one yeah is that is that a chocolate frosty right there seem is there any other kind yeah no yeah there's there's vanilla luke okay i don't need to serve it out of out of wendy's uh all right we got one more for you luke um you know everyone always says this this show is all only dongs and stuff they want art you want art let's go to the museum of modern art here to getting this uh structure together um wow this movement is really

going look even the museum of modern art going tip on tip i like it i like it i guess you know are we are is art art luke i was wondering where this one was headed i thought this was going to be the bottom of like a long shaft of penis but it's just tip to tip you know what this was artfully done bc i have to say thankfully thank you thank you so much have you seen this ish i know you have there it is another week in the books luke okay oh here we go our producers have told us they have they have queued up part two of the jeff goldblum fight so this is this is shirtless man getting some some payback getting the receipts until until jeff goldblum took the stick from him see i actually feel like this is a good a good switch because ian malcolm gets the weapon and the guy with no shirt now gets a shirt you see that

that is actually a uh you know yeah that's how society um yeah that's that's how the the circle of life you know really so post script on this uh shirtless guy suffered a broken rib and jeff goldblum broke his arm during this exchange right here i don't i don't know if i can see it luke can you how there was a arm break maybe that maybe it was oh he gets hit or something i think we need to get fallen leo on this show to break it down but apparently it's it uh he also has a video of jeff goldblum smoking a cigarette afterwards just like reveling in it you know oh he let this is the greatest day of his life are you kidding well he didn't want any his face is covered though he

didn't want any media coverage probably because he knew he'd get arrested luke but this provided the world with theater this week. I mean, this is great. I loved everything about this. One of the better, you know, one of the better, I don't know what you call redneck fights. It's not exactly two rednecks. Richmond has its own share of like weird people. But definitely the dude on there is definitely Mr. Shirtless there is a guy who's been to a stuckies or three you know

what i'm saying you've been doing yeah well well who hasn't luke i you know i i'm a big fan of sheets in pennsylvania i know our guy maniche is going to jump in with wawa i mean that's fine you know it's great it's great i'm not going to be smirking i like i like a good schmuffin now and again yeah i love sheets because yeah you know it's exactly how that how that game ends is in the title luke you know what i mean um i did want to say uh fallen leo had the guy who filmed those fights in richmond said those two guys live in like the same apartment that you can rent rooms in that apartment so it sounds pretty shady luke but uh so apparently there there is going to be a rematch they live in a group home sweet i don't know if it's a group home is that what they is

that what they okay yeah well it's possible in any event in any event bc good job with that it is time now for our odds and ends bc what do you got for our odds and ends well you know we talked about the influence that dana white and company had if they could pull this off and come back eight crazy nights three fight, who would be next? How about Eddie Hearn of Matchroom Sport? He's not fooling around now. We know he's a rich bloke, right? He's the son of famous fight promoter,

Barry Hearn and Snooker promoter. You know, they're big on Snooker out there in the UK. What is Snooker, Luke? I'm not even sure. It's some bar game. Yeah, Snooker. I just met her. But here's the deal about this.

Eddie wants to put the fights on in the backyard of his mansion luke is this cool is this the the the upscale answer to fight island or is this is this a handful of lame on your behalf what do you it's like it's like if you look at this place it's like painfully stereotypically stuck up English, you know? So on the one hand, you're like, it just reminds you of that scene from Django Unchained where Leonardo DiCaprio is having the slaves fighting in his house with a hammer, and you're like, wow, this is really kind of gross.

But I guess it would depend, right? I mean, who is he going to have up there? Is there a way to do it tastefully? Strike Force is at the Playboy Mansion for a time, you'll recall, so it's not impossible to do. I just saw the mock-up and I was like, Jesus, this is the best idea you have to flaunt your wealth? Well, Eddie, look, Eddie's a good-looking bloke.

He's 6'7". He always wears waistcoats. I mean, he's very flaunty, right, Luke? Is he that tall? Oh, yeah. You don't realize that till you meet the guy in person and he's got a great story too about his dad took him to the basement to try to make him a man when he was 15 and they put on the gloves and he dropped his dad with a body shot

and that will let his dad know that you know he's got it luke he's got it i can't wait one day just like when jay knocked out uriah hall with a spinning back kick spinning back kick i cannot wait to get uriah hall on here to break that down one day. Will you now give Jay respect and admit to the people that it was actually your tech error in the beginning of the show that caused this, Luke? It was not my tech error, motherfucker. I was on this when you were still sleeping

in your bed. It was your tech error that I had to fix. I've been told by Jay it was your problem. How was it me when I signed on at 10.30 and everything was fine until Brian signed on? I didn't do anything different. You know what's great about this?

People don't know this. I made an offhand joke. I made an offhand joke before the show started about Luke always causing technical issues here. They can say whatever they want. I signed on before you and I did an air check and everything was fine. I take no blame for it.

Now, in terms of my odds and ends, very quickly on this one, Dana White was asked after the last show on Saturday, what's the next plan? Because originally they were going to have a show on the 23rd, which will be next weekend. That is off no matter what. They say there's going to be a show on the 30th no matter what, but here's sort of the kicker on this one, which is they want to it at they're dying to get going at the apex which you can understand right they

put all this money into it and hello they can't go to any of their casinos it's like the perfect time except for we know what the situation is okay so what the what apparently he said was if they can't get going at the apex it's a 100 certainty they're going to go to arizona my hunch is i don't know about where the rules are in Connecticut, but the D.C. Mayor just extended our scenario that we're in until June 8th. I suspect Nevada will not I don't know if they're going to extend it, but I don't think they're

going to relinquish what they're in before the 30th, which I think they're expected to just have it be part of the end of the month lockdown scenario anyway. So unless they decide to roll that back, which I don't suspect that they will, it seems a virtual guarantee, BC,

that the 30th will be the next UFC show in Arizona. And I'd be curious if the Gilbert Melendez versus Tyron Woodley fight is on that card because we haven't really talked about that. Gilbert Burns.

Gilbert Burns. What am I saying? Tyron Woodley. That fight is tremendous. I feel bad for Leon Edwards because that was his real breakout moment if he was going to be able to get a win over UFC London. But Gilbert Burns is not far from that position.

Not the same place, but not far. And he's a threat everywhere. He's very good at jiu-jitsu. I think he's going to have a great cardio because he's really competing up a weight class. And we're going to see, if Tyron wants to make a last stand in this weight class, you're going to have to do it against Gilbert.

I'm very intrigued. Well, it's such a great fight because Gilbert's the next big player at welterweight if he wins, or Tyron probably gets a title shot off of this. Seriously, if he wins. It's possible. It's possible, yeah.

But look, hey, I say this before, I say it again, why is Nevada suddenly the bastion of good taste It's possible. It's possible, yeah. But look, hey, I say this before, say it again. Why is Nevada suddenly the bastion of good taste in terms of sports commissioning here? We know eventually they're going to open their doors. Why would you, I don't know, why would you let UFC or force UFC to cross the border

and go down to Arizona and kind of make it work? We all know it's going to end up at the apex. And again, it's safer if it does. Make the UFC biodome over that whole complex right i don't think it's the pi i don't think it's the commission call per se i think it's the state call right i mean the commission's only going to do what the governor says they're going to do and if the governor says we're not going to be open they're just not going to be open so it's lost freaking vegas when has there ever been a sense of uh you know of anything in moral

yeah i don't know i don't know what they're waiting for um but here's the thing if they like if you do what florida did with the wwe it's just a question of like what kind of press you want that was like naked political corruption you know to give them that carve out it worked out in ufc's favor but it was a naked political corruption but i don't think that the state of nevada it looks like they don't want to give any special carve out for ufc even though ufc could and has to depending on your viewpoint demonstrated that they can do this in a reasonable and safe way so key question looks like arizona this luke will we see will we actually see a UFC Fight Island fight and when?

Yes. I'm going to say July. You like that, July? I wonder if there will even be a need for it. I don't know. Maybe I'm thinking too optimistically in terms of international fly laws related to COVID kind of loosening and all that let me ask this i don't even know what the situation is how possible is international travel these days is it even doable probably not

yeah i'm probably getting ahead of myself just because ufc was able to pull that off but um you know we will see full arenas by february 1st 2021 that's another story though but uh it's going to be interesting in all seriousness when we do have the upkicks of the outbreak, right? When the winter comes and flu sees. I mean, it'll be interested to see whether the advancements we have made in fight promotion up to that point, whether it can stay put as is,

or whether we'll have to go backward again and kind of start all over. Yeah, I mean, who knows? Who knows what the vaccine development is? Who knows where testing is in terms of like, we could have testing done in seven minutes, in which case there's still a lot you could do. Who knows?

Who knows about this whole thing? So we'll have to see. Real quickly, we should wrap up on The Last Dance, BC. Episodes 9 and 10 aired last night and they were two of my favorite. And in honor of that, I texted you some pictures this morning

of the... So last night, I think it was episode nine, where they featured a lot of different things, including the story of Steve Kerr. And Steve Kerr's father, Malcolm Kerr, is a, or was, I should say, a preeminent scholar of the Middle East. And he was the president of the American University of Beirut. My mother, long before that, I think in the 70s, was an undergrad there. I actually visited AUB, and this is my mug. You can sort of see, pull it back here a little bit, American University of Beirut. It's a beautiful campus. It's right downtown. It's right on the water. It's around the Mediterranean Sea. It's just one of the more spectacular campuses I've

ever seen. A lot of American students when I was there, of course, mostly Lebanese and Arab. Tons of stray cats on campus, which is kind of weird. But in any event, I've long had a... Well, it's well-maintained. The campus is beautiful. But I've long had a bit of a...

I mean, I don't know Steve Kerr, but I've known of his story and his father because every person who is a Beirut emigre sort of knows the story of Malcolm Kerr. And I was glad that it got told. When I say he was a legitimate scholar, I do mean like a legitimate scholar, well-respected for the work that he had done.

And terrible, terrible tragedy, sort of emblematic of the story of Beirut. Wasn't your father, in all seriousness, wasn't your father in the same sort of trade, job description? My father was a diplomat, so that's how he actually met, was through various stations. And he met in Beirut, my mother in the 60s. So this was long before the Civil War had taken over.

But it was weird, you know. It was an interesting thing to read i had forgotten they were going to tell steve kerr's story and uh a little slice of my life intersects with that in a different way so it obviously it touched me in a different way bc um great great finish to it like you know i love the whole by the way what has been this documentary has been so good obviously and it's hit at a time where we can really dissect it at such an incredible level because there's nothing else to compete with it but like some of the spin-off content like i haven't watched the post-fight recap shows but the interviews with the director jason uh hair have been incredible to see just how

like hard it was to finish episodes nine and ten and how they were doing it remotely in their apartments because of the covid breakout at the studio. Like they, they put all, they pulled off, you know, what, what, what you can really call a masterpiece of a documentary. I mean, it's so well done that I, I don't know if it's possible to recreate the same treatment for a similar, but different topic, whether it's in a different sport or whether it's a different team or player in the NBA. But, uh, you know, I mean, you have to have a, a, a subject who's willing to know, I mean, you have to have a subject who's willing to talk at that level. You have to have a storyline that had so many dynamics, but it was absolute perfection.

The tiny moments we'd never seen before, like Michael and Larry Bird embracing in the hallway after game seven against the Pacers and Burke calling him a bitch. And they had that. I mean, like those types of moments are just absolute gold. You only get those moments. Of course, when a camera crew is following somebody for a whole year and has that intimate access but start to finish what an incredible uh journey it took us on and a lot of us had lived that already so to see some of those moments recreated the big takeaway from the

last episode was really just how much michael was drained in that that final series and how much you know he carried that on fumes. And obviously, you heard the comments from Bob Costas on the NBC Telecast Live. It was known, it was understood that this was sort of the last stand for them and that they were hanging on for dear life. But has anyone been able to author an ending the way... I know Jordan came back later,, whether you liked it or not, whatever it did to his legacy,

but to author such a perfect ending and walk away, I mean, the guy was, it's a masterpiece, the career the guy had. Let me ask you this, BC. I've been wrestling with this idea,

which is, so there's no NBA season right now, but there would have been. They would have intersected the airing of this and then the NBA season. And there's two different arguments you could make. One argument would be that

basketball happening in the ordinary way in which life was around February because there would have been so much attention around it would have elevated this documentary series. The other argument is that it got elevated by virtue of its absence because

there was such intense focus on something, anything to grab our attention. The reason why I asked that BC is one, which one do you subscribe to? Two, I kind of lean more towards the latter because this has reinvigorated the MJ LeBron debate in a way where LeBron can't answer in real time. He doesn't have AD playing next to him. They don't have this. They're not out there potentially making an

incredible playoff run right now because when they were playing together, dude, they were a dominant force in the NBA, certainly in the West. So LeBron's literally on the sidelines, the proverbial sidelines, while Jordan is getting all this airtime. I wonder if that has skewed the debate unfairly, given the NBA season being off. What's your sense of things? I don't know if it skewed it unfairly. I think it, if anything, it doubled down on the real answer.

That while it is debatable, yes, I think LeBron has entered to a level. I mean, eight consecutive finals, you know, switching teams, all that. It's entered to a level where he's in that conversation, whether you ultimately have him as the second or third or even fourth greatest player ever. I mean, I subscribe that he's the second being, you know, and if you don't know, I certainly have a deep NBA back knowledge where I can give you a respectable opinion,

but I think it showed you why he was different from LeBron, and it doubled and tripled down and exposed it in every way. The guy's just an absolute single-minded winner, you know, who was, yes, was able to elevate others around him to that level, but he's a different mentality than LeBron, a different player and a different winner. So I think that it benefited from the whole setting of being the only game in town,

but I still think it would have struck such a deep chord, even with competing against all the other sports, because it's such an untapped subject. It's at the same time, Jordan's career, it's at the same time the most oversaturated subject, and yet untapped because we'd so infrequently seen him sit down and actually give deep, honest takes on things, that it was a perfect storm in terms of timing,

but I think it would have gotten there anyway, Luke. And I think in terms of that debate, even after watching that, how could you ever debate LeBron's better than him afterwards? Yeah, well, I mean, Nick Wright will certainly give you a run for your money on that idea. I don't have an opinion with information good enough to weigh in.

MJ made a bigger imprint in my life given the time in which he made his run, which was my teens and basically my teenage years because in 98 I was 18. So when he made his final stand, I was the peak of high school. And so that really made the most difference to me. But it's just kind of funny. I've been thinking about this.

LeBron's had to be very quiet while MJ has gotten all this brand new shine. It has made people like Nick Wright, who I love very much, work overtime to reframe the debate. LeBron's got to be pissed, bro. He's got to be super mad. Well, the best thing LeBron can do, think about it. The best thing, outside of win more championships, right? The best thing Lebron can do

is just stay consistently healthy and be able to be the the one player now look kareem has probably the best reputation for being great really old but if lebron can like break the all-time scoring record and just be able to keep at such an incredibly high level into his late 30s and even 40 and then eventually play along with his son maybe even you know that's the best chance he has at closing that gap but when you're comparing great versus great something has to separate and in the end winning does and uh jordan's a better winner i mean how you know you can't argue with with six and eight years no i just had to think arguments like he's a better winner don't mean anything. They do when comparing.

I think if you want to say he was a better competitor and he had a better competitive mindset, especially like when you saw – That's what it is. That's what being a better winner is. Okay, well, then say that, but just say he's a better winner. I don't know what that means. But if you want to say like the way in which LeBron collapsed in some of those Heat series, sure,

that's something that Jordan was not functionally capable of i think that part is true no really and that's that was what that was probably the best thing that that doc did to show that it wasn't just a single-minded ruthlessness to want to step on your throat and finish you off the the other side of that was the the hope and the faith and i don't mean from a spiritual sense but from a standpoint of like j Jordan always believed that he was going to win and never fed into, you know, the pressures or fears or anything like that. So he didn't have like Pippen's a great player, but Pippen kind of comes off a little bit bad in this larger documentary because he's had some major missteps. You know, the Kukoc moment. He's had moments like that where, you know, LeBron's had a LeBron's teased a few of those.

What professionally Jordan has no, Jordan has no holes. There's no failure. There's no big, you know. I mean, he probably was up all night with a bunch of women and yet still carried them in the flu game the next day. Now, it's funny. CBS Sports tweeted, I don't know how long ago, what's your hot take that you refuse to let die, BC?

And the one I went with, unsurprisingly, was I am not automatically offended at PED use in sports. And the reason why I bring that up is next week, I think next week, but I think the next documentary they're going to be showing, two on ESPN, one about Bruce Lee, and then the other one about Lance Armstrong. Level of enthusiasm for either of those.

Oh, huge. Huge for both. Huge for both. I'm relatively untapped personally on the real like the deep details of both's life and career i obviously know from a general sporting fan or or you know pop culture fan of who they were and what they contributed but i'm really interested like people who didn't grow up in the 90s watching jordan to really be able to dig in deep on all those little moments. All right, fair enough. With that in mind, let's remind everyone a couple of things.

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luke you know you're willing to share it everyone's going to get it this is just a true story i had a buddy of mine who kept getting the clap and his dad was a doctor and he would just call his dad and get a prescription for uh medications every time he. And I was like, why don't you just stop getting the clap? He's like, because dad would just write a prescription. I'm like, right, right. Okay, well, you're diseased, quite literally. I like that story. It was an awful story, but I like that you had the guts to share it, Luke, okay?

Because normally I'm the guy who gets painted like that. Luke, I would love to just keep yakking with you, but you probably have a few other jobs, right? Yep, I got a few other jobs I got to get to. So I want to thank everyone who watched on, let's see, last Wednesday. I want to thank everyone who watched on Friday. I want to thank everybody who watched today. We really appreciate it.

That's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. And until next time, for everyone at Showtime and Malka Sports, may all of your gains be loyal.