MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC KC: Garry Defeats Prates | Eubank Jr. Beats Benn | Eddie Hall's MMA Debut Win | Morning Kombat

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

BC and LT recap the results of UFC Kansas City on a Monday edition of MK. How did Ian Machado Garry look against Carlos Prates in his unanimous decision victory? What can be said about the career of Anthony Smith? Just how real of a contender is Randy Brown? Plus more results from UFC KC. Chris Eubank Jr. defeated Nigel Benn via unanimous decision in a special fight that featured history, tradition and a bitter rivalry. And Eddie Hall needed just 30 seconds to defeat Mariusz Pudzianowski. What does this mean for a potential Hall vs. Francis Ngannou matchup? Tap in with Brian Campbell and Luke Thomas on a Monday!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Reveille Reveille Look at us now on combat. Do you want a Oh, my God. It's us doing at it. Morning combat dir Monday, April 28th, 2025. Ready to wrap up the weekend that was, and if you didn't know already, by the way, today's episode of Morning Combat brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. My name is Brian Campbell, that BBC with that BDE, and accused Ian Gary super fan. So we'll see how

today goes. Right. That's Luke Thomas from Washington DC. And Luke, even though people are watching this on Monday morning, we are recording on Sunday night. I had a schedule issue. You were generous enough to go directly from to keys birthday party to recording this show.

That is true. Hashtag girl dad right there. Yeah. The party ended. We cleaned up. I came home. Hashtag girl dad right there, yes. The party ended, we cleaned up, I came home, I caught my breath for a bit, and here we are recording on Sunday night. But we have a lot to talk about. So it actually should be a great show today.

I'm actually pretty pumped. We will not only recap a fantastic UFC Kansas City fight night card with an electric crowd over the weekend. How about that maybe fight of the year that broke out in the UK. I mean, look, give me one word to describe what Chris Eubank Jr. versus Connor Ben made you feel. One word, yeah. Begins with a no. Joy. I'll take joy too. Yes. Joy. Like isn't

that why you watch fights, bro? You know what I mean? For like performances like that and everything. We'll get to it. There was the build up and like his dad coming in at the last minute which was unbelievable. The scenes were unbelievable. The stadium was unbelievable. The walkouts with the violins. I mean it was wild. My only real complaint was I don't love Dazon's choice of the British commentators. I mean, small, small, small, small thing, small thing. I'm not, I'm not hating, I'm not hating.

But in general, dude, not a home run. That was a grand slam. That was a grand slam and you don't see those too too often every year but you got the chance to see one on Saturday. Holy smokes that delivered. We'll also hit the latest news

and react to it, including a big fight announcement. Dustin Poirier's retirement bout BMF title on the line in New Orleans. Get ready for that. And hey, how about that little KSW strong man action for as long as it lasted? So much to get into. No DMs from donks today because of the odd timing of all that, but we will close with the have you seen this ish. Why don't you, though, like the video on YouTube? Why don't you subscribe to what we got going on here? If you're listening to audio only, I don't know. Tell somebody that you really like that this shows fantastic.

Follow us on our extended YouTube channels. MK is here to stay. OK, that's what I'm talking about. Also, we've got a third member of this team who was just as willing on Sunday night to be an awful boyfriend. Hey, it's Long Island Luke Nocita of the main card minute helping us out. Yeah, brother. What's up, guys? It was great. You know, last night we got to see Ian Gary finally, you know, bring to fruition what I've been saying for weeks now, you know, I didn't think he got 10 aided in round five. I don't know about you guys, but if he did, it might be a draw.

I'm not sure that that was a fulfillment of your... Oh, dude, I think he won. He won the first four rounds, I think. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. Thank you, Luke. No seat of the Long Island ball bag minute. Whatever you got going on there, though. Great guy, though. I have met him. Luke, real quick. I mean, the people want to know, did you get an alcoholic clown? Did you get a magician? Did you get a guy that could contort his Jean-Saône into farm animal balloons? What did you get for tokes?

We well, it was supposed to be a Star Wars party and we weren't sure how the, how the the how the weather was going to be. It turned out the weather was beautiful. You can see him a little sun drenched, but the wind ate us alive. It kept popping all the balloons. It kept snapping around and then popping. So we had a hard time setting anything up. That was a bit of a pain. But the big winner was two things. One, we got a lady who did both face painting and balloon animals. And for cheap, I couldn't believe how affordable that was. It was crazy. And then my wife got a baby Yoda pinata buddy monster hit. That would be a monster. Yeah. Although you don't really want to injure, uh, you know, no. So this one, this one had, uh had like a bunch of strings coming out the bottom

and you let all the kids get up in a circle and they hold the string. And then a one, two, three, they all yank it and then everything comes pouring out. You mean you mean jank it, if we're going to be honest. Yeah, that's right. Daddy, Daddy Jenky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But OK, so we're not violently bashing it. That's that sounds like a great now, you know, just to appease my curiosity, what percentage of the conversations at the party were in English?

Probably 60 percent. OK, yeah, I would say the majority. I mean, my family was there, so, you know, that brought in English. And we basically did was we just invited her kindergarten classmates and then they all came and but you know a bunch of that is in Spanish obviously as well so it was great it was it was just awesome yeah it was it worked out the weather was the big thing like the sun was shining it was beautiful I'm tired but I cannot complain my age rich imagination HBD goes out to the great too, because we're big fans.

And also, Luke, you can't find this shirt on store racks anymore. Right. Look, I just found a much look. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Right. Yeah. Not quite Fedor versus Brock merch, but it's it's something. It's something right there. All right. You know what? Something the show we got for you, the recap, we're about to hit you with directly between the eyes. Why don't we do it right now with topic number one UFC fight night Kansas City over the weekend and we talked about it.

This replacement main event seemed like it was going to be better than the original of that lightterweight one that was going to decide a lot between Ian Machado Gary once again on short notice and a red hot Carlos Pratish who had finished all four of his UFC opponents up to this date. What we learned though through three rounds certainly changed in terms of what we learned over the totality of the five rounds as Ian Machado Gary did score a unanim G decision victory over pro event. There's no question particularly in those firs dominant stretches that h position, but he faded do

a lot of people on social protest could have, should when he was on the ground Gary's performance of hanging on for dear life could open up that debate we kind of started the show with accidentally, a potential 10, eight, fifth round that, depending on how you scored round four,

could actually make it a draw. So Luke, there's a lot to love. There's certainly a decent amount to critique and or be nervous of. But when we're talking about the cocky brash and very efficient Ian Machado, Gary, what's the best way you can understand or contextualize what this win meant to his rise? Let me give you the context of how I saw this fight because I actually feel like that's pretty important. I was not watching live. Now I knew I had

to watch obviously before today's program and I did, but I did not watch as it it went on but I was actually on social media a bit just kind of looking at my phone and seeing people be like oh my god Gary looks amazing Gary looks fantastic and then you know as the fight wore on there were some people that thought round four got away from him and that round five was a 10-8 round. Scoring for me 48-47 for Gary is fine. 47 47 is fine. I can even see a case for 49 46 depending on how you wanna go. So I don't think the wrong guy won.

You know, I don't believe that Gary was basically better for the majority of the duration of this bout. And he was better in ways that are important. He was the guy who tends to define the terms of the exchanges. He was the guy who tended to define where the fight took place again on what terms it took place on what rhythm it took place on again, every part of that he kind of for the most part, he controlled that and that is a very, very difficult thing to do. And you heard Dana White, in the post fight press conference say with you know,

the matchmakers are kind of looking to see how a guy like Gary was going to deal with the pressure of projects, which by the way, is a good reason to make this fight like that is a fundamental question that we needed to get some answers to. And I think for the you know, in large part, we got a pretty good answer to it. And again, you know, they wanted to see what they had in projects. Like, could he make some adjustments and show more dimensions? My problem with this fight, such as I have one, is it's not, I am not going to sit up here on the show and be like,

Gary looked bad. That is just ludicrous. It's so absurd. I'm not even going to honor it. I'm not even going to honor like, you know, oh, he faded a little bit down the stretch. Yes, of course, but that can happen when you're 27 and it's your first real UFC fight that goes a full five rounds against another top guy in the division. Like, yeah, I mean, I don't expect it to go flawlessly. Here is basically my problem. I don't really think I learned anything new about Gary. I know a lot of people here after the fight are like, Oh, I learned so much about him. I'd be curious to know what that is. It's not like he didn't show you impressive things in the course of this. Please listen to

me very closely. That's not my argument. But my argument is all the things he showed, I was like, I kind of knew he was capable of doing what I was hoping for was him to add some new wrinkles. What I was hoping for was for him to show some some slightly different adjustments or, you know, elevating his game in some kind of noticeable way from the very high but real baseline that existed. And I'll just be honest with you, I did not see that. I did not see somebody who showed me something radically different from the MVP or the Shavkat-Rokhmanov fight. Again, some stuff was fine-tuned to a degree, but I knew he could define the terms of the exchanges.

I knew that he had more ways to win and would kind of mix it up. And all of that execution BC for me It went well I mean for the most part obviously that round four and then again especially around five a bit of a different story But in general it went pretty well for him That doesn't tell me anything Here is my basic problem BC He's 27

It seems to me that there is this giant push in MMA for guys to like take advantage of opportunities to ascend the ladder as fast as they can. And that makes sense intuitively. And in the case of someone like Ilya Toporya or you know, another elite, elite, elite guy, that makes a lot of sense. But in the case of somebody like Gary, who's got a lot of ability to define the terms of the exchange, but has poor finishing mechanics on his submissions, doesn't have big power, and

typically doesn't throw in combination. And so therefore, these fights kind of drag out a little bit as a consequence, I was waiting for that screw to get turned. What is the evidence that that screw got turned? I don't see how we got anywhere. So I know I'm kind of rambling a bit. I'll pitch it back to you here, but it was a fine performance.

He looked really good for long stretches of it, but we knew he could do all of that. What was new about it? I didn't see it. Well, you and I were vocal that we knew we could do that. I think there were a lot of people though that didn't take away the quote unquote moral victory qualities from the Shavka performance that we did or whereas vocal about it. You saw a lot of people saying, you know, Gary's not the real deal.

Protest is going to find out over 25 minutes. And for those people, for anyone that hates Gary, it's why this is such a unique fight. The way it played out, you're still given fuel to say, look, I was right, see? I mean, we had an ending that wasn't as dissimilar to Leon Edwards versus Nate Diaz, which was supposed to be a big showcase opportunity for Leon against a big elite name. And he looked great until he didn't

and it almost fell apart. And we all got to say, see, he's not that guy. And I fell for that trap, too. So I get all of that. Could he have been finished? Should he have been finished? He probably should have in round five. And let's not forget, Protess busted his nose up in round four, which I know that's

sort of a swing run on a lot of people's cards. But I got I scored it three to Gary giving the last two to Protess. We can have a separate argument about the 10-8 or not. But I think, Luke, we did learn more. You said it was his first five round fight against an elite competition. The second straight one actually, because the Shavkat fight went the distance just the same. Yeah, I guess I mean the one that he won, but yeah, fair

point. Sure. I saw not sustained evolution of his game, but in round three, it looked like he was very close to finishing protest. He had bodied him up with combination punches. There was that really sneaky uppercut that he threw in the middle of a four-punch combination. I don't remember if it was round two or three, but that's the one that visibly hurt Protesh. And I do feel like there was an opening there for him to get the type of stoppage. And late in round three, that would have justified everything I

had been saying that I kind of think pound for pound. He's the second best welterweight in this entire division. So I think that he continued to show that when you're talking about fight management, when you're talking about IQ, when you're talking about mixing in movement with defense and just smart operation, this guy's truly elite. He's title level elite. But maybe it's almost more fun that the trap door almost opened up and that protest never stopped trying to be a savage, even if he had some donkey IQ moments late in round five, where it is going to keep people going.

Yeah, but it's not perfect. And here's why. And they're right. The final two rounds were not perfect. It felt like he had used a little bit too much energy in the first three. It felt like the aggressive commitment to take downs that he had done in round two and round three, which at times were strategic and gave another offering in his offensive attack that Pratish had to deal with, kind of became spammy and he didn't have a whole ton of success. You're right, he's like, you know, 80, 85% good in every category, but we are missing him. Just just tighten that up one more notch and going to that next level.

And he may never be a finisher. He may be more of an elite game manager, but I think against a very capable and dangerous guy, he continued to show you that his IQ was so good that on any given night he can be anybody in this division. He's still evolving. He's still growing. He's got a lot of balls. He's taking on one tough fight after another. But I can't come out of here saying I didn't learn anything. I learned that he ratcheted up a little bit more some of the qualities that I see in him that do make him elite. But he also exposed that it's not perfect yet. And until he finishes, whether it's, you know, the full five round stamina or being able to use his

grappling more as a weapon and not just an alternate distraction, then maybe he's not going to kick that door open and win the title. He's a work in progress, but in progress right now is chipping away one ladder rung after another where he's not that far out for a title. But it does completely take away everything I said of what if he does go in there and knockout protest and makes this big statement. He's not parachuting in and getting the next title

shot after this performance. But I think more than not, it's a positive. He's going to grow from it and he's only going to get better. Is that fair? I don't know if he's going to get better. This is kind of the problem. I mean, when I say I don't know what I mean is he has the ability to get a lot better. I mean the fact that he's this good at 27 tells you that he has the ability to be quite good. But you know, I keep saying this. I wasn't sure how true it was in previous circumstances, but it's becoming a little bit more at a bare minimum for me. There's more

evidence for it. He's taking these fights to like, oh, I'm the next guy. I'm the next man up. I'm going to do this. I'll show up when other ones won't. And that will do you a lot of good in terms of getting rewarded, especially if you can roll the dice and win in moving through the contendership ladder. But it's going to fuck up your development, right?

This is a guy I said it before, just on the submission side. Now obviously, projects had some pretty good takedown defense in this fight. There was a lot of stuff that got a lot of single legs that got stuffed, which is pretty impressive on the part of the Brazilian. But if you constantly take fights that you don't get to really lean into it really work on your craft, and then in between, you're not taking the appropriate time to really like level up your you won't, you won't. You will just kind of do what you do. And let me just say this, like at the elite level, you can't finish everybody.

At least it's very difficult to do, obviously. The longer you let elite opposition hang around, it becomes a gigantic liability. And the fact that he scraped out at the bottom of the fifth year, you know, by the skin of his teeth in the end you mean he got a little lucky he got a little lucky like you let guys hang around it will cost you it absolutely will cost you didn't cost him on Saturday night but you know he's only ascending it's going to cost you you you have to not be a finisher in every circumstance, but you have to have a part of your game that can reliably threaten the finish on a consistent

basis at the elite level. Like Sean Brady's got that. We talked with Leon Edwards, that whole submission series from top half guard, top reverse half guard. He's got it. You know, pick somebody else in the top. Like, well, did you feel like he was close to stopping practice like I felt? Or are you saying saying you didn't you didn't get that feeling because I thought he got I thought he was definitely knocking on the door. Yeah, sure. But then you know, he didn't do it. And you might say, well, look, below Mohammed is the champion and he's not a dynamic finisher. Well, first of all, he's finished Sean Brady on the way to the title. Like, you know, what, what stoppage win does, does Gary have that compares to that?

I don't think he has one. Um, certainly not in the UFC anyway. And you know, more to the point, it's like, yes, that, that, that thing is something that, you know, Bilal is able to make, make work for himself in capturing the title. But like, dude, that's going to catch up to him too. You can't have a style where like every time I'm going to bank on 25 minutes, you can win doing that. Yes, you

can. But it's a hard way to do that. And more to the point, it's not even about can you or can you it's like, if it if it's a thing that you don't even have to do, because you actually take the appropriate time to skill development. And to get there. It's not even the same kind of question anymore. He's he this is what's frustrating to me. He's not far at all for being a dynamic finisher on the ground. But he's not seemingly doing anything about it.

I mean again, this fight was not necessarily the best case of that, but you know, he's not I didn't I didn't see a lot of that and on the feet. We just have dynamic power and I know you're pointing out. There was a couple times he put strikes in combinations But typically he doesn't Even even in this contest he shows he's got a lot of elite skills and BC like the fact that he didn't get fish In that fifth, you know, he's got good instincts for survival

And that's not nothing man that like that literally saved his ass in that fifth round Like that's a real thing and his other ability to set up the timing and the weaponry and his good footwork. Like these are all awesome. But I guess I'm just pointing out if you're 27 and you got these other things, if you try to move through the ladder too quickly, you'll find yourself maybe at the top of it, but you're going to leave behind that moment or those moments I should say where

you can actually bring the rest of your game along with you. So many of these guys want to just rush to the top and their game gets left behind. You don't have to do that if you're 27. I mean, I don't know what the I don't know what is going to happen now BC because he did win this and we're sure we're going to talk about it. Dana White said he's going to be the backup for UFC 315. It sounds like it's a good thing for him. I really wonder long term if that's true.

Well, I think the good thing again is that he didn't get the stoppage, that he's not gonna cut the line, that he's probably gonna have to wait out Shavkat getting the first title shot or even somebody else if Shavkat isn't ready. There's a lot of people that are hot right now. But I don't know if I agree on like the rushing it part.

He's 27, it was his 17th pro fight. It was his 10th UFC fight. And it's not like which sometimes happens where guys, whether it's their fault or whether it's just the way it went. Remember, use Islamah Jeb, for an example, by the time he got to the to the title picture, we were like, well, we really haven't seen him against enough escalating, tough out names.

I think Gary's got a resume that's kind of glowing with those types. The Jeff Neils who we got by Split Decision, the Neil Magni who we grinded out a decision from. I'm not here to tell you that he's a perfect finished product, really that he'll ever get there or that he is anything in the direction of a dangerous finisher. He's not. I'd love to see him use his knees and his legs more offensively with that big frame at six foot three. But I feel like given that he's got star potential, his time is now.

And at least he's learning on the job. And at least this win will slow the role of him cutting the line and force him to get yet another big number one contender type fight. Well, I guess what I'm saying is he may fall in line and be in the right place at the right time to grow right before his big close up. But if he doesn't round out these categories, and here's the key question, can he win the championship as is right now without being that finishing threat? He does completely take away your offense. He does mute what you do great. Will that be enough against the other elites he's yet to face in this division?

I think that's the real question, Luke, because he's not getting held back. It's one more fight and then probably a title. My view is the way he's built and what he's got going on. Could he win a title with what he has? Yes. Yes, he could. But I think of someone like Charles Oliveira who had a bunch of issues that he had to iron out, including but not limited to, you know, kind of character under fire, which is a difficult one to fix. to fix. But he began to like really like those losses made him lean into skill development. And that radically transformed his chances. You know, you're asking this is what Gary has good enough to do big work. It is it is but every

time he goes out there, you know know He's he has to know if he has to be built for 25 minutes hard every time he has to know That you know the chances of submission are bleak he has to know he doesn't have the firepower to put these guys down He's gonna have to labor his ass off For the entirety of it and then risk taking a big shot and then having to scramble. He got away with it against Carlos proches in part because proches made some bad decisions to down the stretch. I was surprised about you know, he couldn't his ground to pound and it's like, I don't know, his finishing instincts did not blow

me away with that one. I'll just be honest with you. But I'm a protest, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, I want to ask you straight up. Did he? Did he blow it son? In that little round? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like. Well, I want to ask you straight up. Did he blow it, son, in that fifth round? Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. Listen, we just talked about Gary doing everything he could to keep moving, not get the stoppage,

not just lay there and kind of like wait out the clock. He was trying to hang on. And that makes it tough. But if you're a protest and you've been basically, you know, behind the eight ball for more or less 20 minutes, you know, give or take how you're putting around for went this is this is it. This is your moment. You have to absolutely know what to do to control another person

and then finish them off and you're like, oh, this is such an unfair standard. This is so high motherfucker. This is the ultimate fighting championship. These are people that want to compete for a world title. Yeah, I'm going to have high standards. Yeah, I'm gonna have high standards. Yeah, I'm gonna expect them to do the extra kinds of things that other guys simply cannot do.

So yes, of course, Prochess is good. He might bounce back with a big win right after this one. It wasn't like he looked terrible or anything. But I was a little surprised at how he couldn't quite focus his efforts into a single... Like if you're Sean Brady and you had a guy that hurt, even though he's not a tremendous ground to pound guy, I know he would have locked up a submission before the clock and then taking his chances there, he would have known where his bread was buttered. It just seemed to me like Prochess was kind of,

I don't know, waiting for serendipity a little bit and it didn't eventually show up. I mean, some people were trying to give him an out and saying, Gary kept locking up his leg, but dude, when the openings there, your opponent's hurt. It's late in the fifth round, you're down on the cards. He's on his back. Jump in there and hammer the shit. Hit him in the back of the brainstem. They don't call that anymore. Okay. Yes. Foul him. Seriously. Seriously. I mean, just, just go ham that, that was a fail. That made him more like, oh, is he Cheeto Vera at Welterweight? And I don't mean to insult Cheeto Vera. He's he's great.

He can violently stop up to a certain level of any opponent. But I wanted to see if protest was the goods. I guess the rally shows you that he still could be the goods. But, Luke, I wonder and I'm not trying to be the Gary apologist. But if he ratcheted up his his championship and got to the highest that he could get, we're not having this conversation, in my opinion, against Protestant. He probably wins five-nothing and shuts him out. I wonder, in hindsight, if Gary, it was mismanagement of the gas tank.

There was a lot of times he was circling away, and there's times he does a strategic, and that's part of what makes him difficult. But there's times sometimes he leans into that. It feels like a little bit too much using a lot of unnecessary motion where I wonder if that and how aggressively he was going for takedowns. He's still learning that lesson that I bring up this reference a lot. But Steve, I had to learn that in the first JDS fight over five rounds, that that gas tank management. So I'm wondering if he gets that he'll be fine even if he's not stopping people

maybe to your point it may not be long term forever it's hard to do that you let killers linger in the championship rounds you're going to find out eventually but I'm wondering if really the biggest takeaway here is just ratchet up that stamp that stamina. It's a skill issue. It's a skill issue and It's a skill issue. And this is this is the issue for me. I know we have some audio to this effect. Like, of course, dude, you win a tough fight like that,

especially if you survive late, you're going to be proud of it. He should be proud of it. Like it's again, it's a commendable effort. It's not like I'm not at all saying he looked bad. It's no, not true. Not true. What I'm trying to point out to you is if you have youth on your side, going a little slower through the queue,

at least in terms of how often you take fights, can pay significant long-term dividends. And it appears to me, he's trading on that. He's trading on that by saying, I'm actually not gonna commit to that slower, more methodical skill development process, But what I might get in return is I might get to fly through the queue a little bit earlier. Okay, I think he will. I think he is. I wonder long term if that might cost him.

It's interesting because he does fashion himself a star in the making. You know, I mean, he's got criticized at how much he's copied Conor's playbook purposely at different times. So I understand that's the example he's looking at and you rush through where opportunity is. And I commend him for taking back to back short notice fights here. I commend him for how much his skill is evolving. But yeah, we did learn in this case that there was a little bit of a problem along. I don't look. I did want to get your take on how harshly we should judge against Gary, because Luke was saying like the one thing I take against Luke Thomas's argument is about the skill when he says it's a skill thing and not a stamina thing.

It was the skill thing for three rounds. He kicked the shit out of protests. It was a skill thing when he got tired. Where do you weigh in the middle of that? Yeah. I mean, dude, he's obviously still developing. I'm not like the biggest Ian Gary defender here. I just liked this matchup for him. I didn't think it was more like, to me, the story was more about Carlos protest getting exposed finally. Like I didn't think Carlos protest was that good more than I think Ian Gary's the next champ or something. But like you mentioned, I personally I had Ian Gary up four rounds to none and then I scored a 10 eight. So I had a 48 46. But okay, I feel like he looked good, dude. I feel like he looked good up until Brattus probably could have

finished him in the fifth. You know, you guys mentioned the fight IQ but yeah, I don't know. That's really where I went with that. I appreciate that. I definitely think, we didn't talk about this. We kind of made this like a focus on Ian Gary and because we obviously have high expectations for him and we get all that, but Long Island Luke is right. Proches, that this to me was like, okay, again, he's also going up against a young stud in Ian Gary, right?

So we all have to understand that. It looked to me like the limits of his style were really put out here, where, you know, he likes to counter guys and like make them react and like with high pressure. And for the most part, again, for the most part, Gary really denied that to him. And if you denied him, he had nowhere else to go. So we talked about it on Friday, like who's got more ways to win? It's not just that Gary, in theory, could have gone for the takedown and then gotten it and then on the feet to he could have

won. Obviously, again, projects did a pretty good job. But I'm pointing out some of these guys just have a certain way to win. And if you close the door on it, they don't they don't know where to go. They haven't had to fight through that on the elite level. And he hasn't he's been on fire. Since leveling up to getting to the day in a white contender series and the 4 straight stoppages I think he exposed himself look

certainly in and I don't say a lack of fight IQ but not not being situationally ready to pounce on a big opportunity around 5 but even deeper. I mean he's following Gary around the entire fight there was no cutting off the cage that really would have had to force Gary into more situations where his back was up against the fence. And those times in round four and five when it was you saw what happened and credit to protest for having the savagery and the conditioning, even with all the talk we made about his 10 to 15 cigarettes a day that he was the fresher fighter late. And it was that freshness that gave him a shot in there. But yes, I think overall it felt a little more Cheeto Vera than it felt title shot two fights away. It did. That's where he's at.

This was his wake up call. Let's go back to Gary to hear the first piece of sound where, dude, in this he did a what was that the full send guy afterwards? He gave a pro wrestling promo. And I'm not saying I'm all in on the Gary schtick and the confidence and all that. I'm not. I'm kind of more in on the development as a fighter. And and you know, he does have an attractive wife, Luke, but that's not part of my. Oh, my God.

Oh, cuckin buck coming up. No, here's what we need, though. We need the sound from him. Tell me if you like this,' Buck, coming up. No, here's what we need though. We need the sound from him. Tell me if you like this, hate this, all that. Look, here's something that people aren't talking about. I didn't have to accept this fight. That's my back to back second fight in a row in short notice. And I'm going to do it again in two weeks time in Montreal if I have the opportunity.

I am the epitome of anyone, anywhere, anytime. And if you wanna fight the best in the world, you become the best in the world when you get victories like today. And the world better realize and put some fucking respect to my name now. I am one of the best fighters in this division. Love me or hate me,

you better show me some fucking respect now. It's like I can't tell. I like it. like I like it but it's a little cringe but I also kind of think it's ballsy right? I like it I like the moxie I like his belief and dude I'll say this again dude you know this dude doesn't duck smoke bro I mean he is out there to win it and he believes he can and again he's got so many different ways to manage the exchanges that you know, he can do impressive things. I don't mind the confidence. It's just a I don't know, man. It's hard to explain. But I just feel like as somebody who watches like a ton of tape

and like when you have an eye for watching tape, I'm not saying I'm like, I'm especially good at it. What I'm saying is, when you do it, you are looking for mistakes, you're looking for shortcomings. And I, it's a little frustrating for me, that he's kind of got to this point. And he's like, Okay, this is good enough to win. True, true. It is good enough to win. But it's not as good as you can be. It's not even close. And I just want more for him, given what

he's on the doorstep of. Does that make sense? I hope that it does. No, it completely does. The question will be that we don't have the answer for. Can he, he's, he's taken all the other parts of his game up with him as he stepped up in competition, but these are really big ones that he hasn't yet finalized or figured out both the stamina, both the finishing ability. But I mean, look, you got to give it to him.

Like I'll cross the board. He says like well-rounded as you'll get at the elite level. Like the all the tiny intangibles, all the movement, not being in the right place, right time until he got tired. And that's a big deal. Look, I don't almost want to see protest go full wild, man. If you're going to do the smoking drinking bit and you're also like fun and you're part of this faction of the fighting nerds that we're all kind of cheering for because they're crazy and they go after it. I kind of want to see him not be a technical guy fall you know I'd want to see him go in there and throw caution to the wind more.

Yeah I mean you know going technique for technique with Ian I don't think worked well for him generally speaking right you have to go in there and, and get him off of that game. And you know, great, you stuffed a bunch of his shots. That's great. That actually was I thought pretty impressive. But he I mean, here's the thing that Gary does so well is that he just constantly disrupts your rhythm. Every time you try to get going, he just you know, lightly shuts it off lightly shuts it off. And the cumulative effect of it is enormous. And dude, he had no answer for that. Like we're

talking about Ian Gary skill development, we start about Carlos is like, dude, he's got work to do. Maybe put away the ashtray, Luke, baby. Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine that helps. But even more than that, it's like, again, it's a lefties switch to left handed cigarettes, right? Get down on you. You can only have a singular way to win in this game.

If that singular way is lights out and even then it really needs to be a call. It needs to be multifaceted and I don't think he's quite absorbed that lesson yet, but he does get a lot of training all over the place. And I know by now everybody's watching. Oh my God BC just started only fans with him. But no, I just think like he's evolving. What do you think of his corner, though, of Diego Lima and Damien Maia? I mean, that's an amazing corner, bro. Yeah, it's pretty good people that he seems to be working with.

Representing shoot to box. Let's close out some of the sound we have to fully frame the rest of the story, because look, the big question is what's next? I am of the belief Jack Delamé, Alain. Of course, we already know is the UFC 3 16 June 7th opponent for Bilal. I'm of the belief that it should be Shavkat next. But if Shavkat is not ready, I'm ready for Sean Brady to get to cut the line and get either the rematch against Bilal or just get a straight title shot. Let's say Shavkat is healthy. Do you feel like Sean Brady, Ian Gary is that final boss,

number one contender fight to get to the top? It's either that or the Buckley fight. I know we'll talk about this because Buckley has work cut out for him in Atlanta, but it's one of those two. Let's hear Gary talk about his plan and how he's gonna get to the belt. You guys know I like plans, right?

You guys know I have visions in my mind. Well, let me tell you what's next. I'm gonna fight the winner, I believe it's Palal. And that's nothing against Jack, I just believe stylistically Palal has what it takes to get this fight done and quite convincing. So I'm gonna fight Palal next. I'm gonna beat Palal.

Palal has said it many, many times, I am the toughest opponent in the division for him. Them and Palal doesn't have the belt. There's a certain pound for pound number one who wants to come up and his name is Islam Makkachev and I have nothing but love and respect for that man and his style and it would be an honor to share the octagon with him. I would love to go out there and prove against him in my first title defense that I'm the pound for pound number one.

I beat him, I take that status, I win my first title defense, and then Shavka gets the rematch. And I'm gonna go out there and I am going to dismantle that man and prove that he never won that fight. And that's my next fight, three fight plan. That's how I see it going and I don't want that any other way. Well, Luke, that's Brash. It's good to have a plan. He's carrying himself like a star,

but I think for his development and for the hierarchy and the whole ranking system, he can't be next, unless he had gotten a stoppage and you're like, okay, they're gonna roll the dice on the star. So his plan seems a little bit flawed. Do you think, though, like if you're the backup, you're not guaranteed the next title shot. We've seen a million guys be backups that were just being opportunists in that moment.

I don't think the backup gets it to him. Do you think the UFC will see the value in making him earn it one more time? You'd fuck with meritocracy if you didn't if he cut the line now. You'd fuck with meritocracy if you didn't. If he cut the line now, Shavkat, what do you mean? I think he'll cut the line if they need him to. Like fought Rachmanov on short notice, took this one on short notice. If they need a lifeline, they'll call him. Well, because you know, what's Ian Gary going to say?

No. You know what I mean? But I don't know if it's like, I don't know if that beyond that if he's like front of the pack for them I think that to me remains unclear and probably not true all right well let's hear from the boss Dana White reviewing Gary's performance after the fight he definitely gets in there and and controls everything the pace what he wants to do when he wants to do it even against the guy you know the question was tonight, would Pradas go in there and

put unbelievable pressure on him, stay in his face. Then we were wondering, you know, would Ian take him down, hold him down, you know. So those were all the questions we had too were answered. But this is one of those fights that on paper, you know, the kid's 31 years old. He's got a great record. And it's not tonight like Ian went out there and, you know, did some, you know, did some MAA shit that this kid isn't ready for yet or whatever. It was a stand-up fight and he controlled the pace, he controlled everything, he did

what he wanted to do when he wanted to do it. Um, but the great thing was in the last round, Prada's obviously was trying to finish the fight. So, uh, Ian announced himself as the official backup for your well-to-date title fight in Montreal. Is that official? Did he just announce that himself? It's official. Yeah. I mean, he's doing what you do if you want to be, you know, what Chandler did. You want to get to the top, you'd be ready, you'd be available. Let's see if it's to his detriment. So, Luke, do you think if Buckley beats Usman Buckley's that Buckley is not going to cut the line here. Buckley would fight would fight Gary next.

That's that's that's my guess. My guess is if Buckley wins, comes out relatively unscathed, they're going to make that fight. Yes. Well, now, look, could you give me odds on your your thoughts here as the betting degenerate of what the Gary odds would be against Buckley and Brady? Against Buckley is definitely going to be the favorite. I'd say like minus one 50 Buckley plus one 25. You don't want to f around with new man's own round four, though.

You don't want to do that. Yeah. And then shit, Sean Brady is a good one. That might be like a pick them. That might be like minus one 10 either way. I mean, look, that would come down to his take down defense. But if he could stop the take down against Sean Brady, he might be in the driver's seat for another five round decision. Right but I don't I am less confident that Gary can get away I mean so for example Gary

got away with one because MVP is grappling is not super awesome. Yes. Got away with one I mean he lost but like he he let something slip through his fingers against Rachmanov because his finishing mechanics weren't great. Here he survived but he let a guy with pretty respectable power and good pressure hang around. It's like okay the Rachmanov one because you know who knows what state Rachmanov was in because he was obviously pretty fucked up physically. But I have a feeling that we're about to get to a territory where it's going to be less forgiving on some of this stuff. This is kind of my problem. It's like you're going to be much more. We were when you have when you are visibly vulnerable that you know, like Anthony Joshua was champion of boxing was like every fight.

He's on the verge of getting, you know, caught with one random shot that turns the entire fight around. It's like, dude, it's almost like Gary is going to turn every opponent into Tank Davis. And what I mean by that is Tank loses long stretches of the fight and then just puts one on him and then, not the roach fight, but historically that's typically what happens. And I'm not saying that Buckley is Tank Davis, but I'm saying, you know, just he's gonna win long stretches of that fight, but he's gonna get clobbered with one at some point, and dude, it's all bets are off.

Like, he lets these people hang around. That, to me, is the problem. But, you know, we've been over a million times. You let these people hang around in your house, you know, your wallets gonna be missing, your kids gonna get knocked up. Yeah, you know, you gotta get these squatters out of there. Let's also see some Bushido here by Gary,

who wanted to show that Brazilian love and respect of his wife's origin, homeland. I don't know. Isn't she from the UK? I don't know. Let's just watch. I don't fucking know, dude. I don't care. Okay. You're sinister. You have a very big heart. No, man. Fuck, man. You have a lot of strength.

I'm talking to you. I want help, go up there. I'll go back to Brazil. You need my help. Come on, you're Brazilian. I want everything Brazilianzilians to go up. making otherwise questionable life choices. Yeah, indeed. Also, we got one final piece of sound, and this is Joaquin Buckley. We're going to get to the breakdown of his upcoming fight in Atlanta against Kamaru Usman. But he was at the fight. He gave his thoughts on Ian Gary. Right, right.

So the reason why he don't understand me is because I don't speak Cucconese. You understand? So I can understand why he didn't understand me the first time. But when I was out there, and he's doing his way in, and I'm not trying to get into his head and nothing like that, but when you talk like that,

don't act like when you see me, like I'm invisible. You talking about me, you saying my name, holler at me, let me know something. But his girl, very protective, protecting her man, you know what I'm saying, using the baby like a shield, whatever, but it just is what it is, you know? But I really wanted to see what Ian Gary's about. It's just what he had to say to me in person, and he was real quiet.

So what did you make of that reaction then that you got from him? Because we saw, I think the security tried to escort him off the stage and he kind of stood there and he- I mean, nothing happened. I mean, this girl was touching on my arm and stuff like that, you know what I mean, caressing my arm. I didn't know what all that was about. But I feel like security, they gotta what I mean? Caressing my arm. I know what all that was about, but I feel like, you know, security, you know, they, you know, they got to do their job because they just never know how

fighters going to react, you know? So, you know, shout out to them, but you know, all out for me, I just want to promote and have a conversation because if we really going to get down, let's get paid for it. Um, Luke, they were referencing the way the ceremonial way. And when Buckley was standing near Ian Gary's wife who long out and Luca's reporting is from London but has a Brazilian mother, Luke, since you were very interested in the details there. I mean him coming out to Leila by Derek

of the Dominoes, that's like real cool and a monster cuck move at the same time. But like it's, I don't know, Luke, it may, you may. So sometimes they intersect sometimes. They do. So that that's that from Buckley. He I don't know what that was all about. Now he's saying that she was getting up on the arm. I mean, this is going to be a great rivalry. It's going to be a great fight. Would you want this more than the Sean Brady fight for us?

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in front of very hungry fans who want the UFC in a big way. So Luke Thomas, there's a lot of results to look at in this one, but a big one was the retirement of Anthony Smith in the co- main event and the handling of it. So he ultimately Anthony Smith, the former light heavyweight title contender would get bludgeoned in his fight that would come against Zheng Ming Yang. The stoppage is questionable, but not, I don't think the stoppage of Smith's career. I want to say really nice things about Smith and we will. But I didn't want to get your opinion on how they handled it.

They have a decorated detailed video package ready, Luke, like Hall of Fame treatment ready. This guy's beloved. There's no question by his colleagues, but they gave him the full red carpet love exit treatment here after the conclusion of a very respectful career. People are so wrong about Anthony Smith. And I realize that he says stuff that is, you know, kind of ludicrous and the Internet

likes to dunk on him and whatnot. But it's like, you know, the people who are clowning him, you're just telling me it's fine. Like, nobody has to have been around forever. But like, people like, oh, why is the UFC staff doing it? Well, number one, like, they might like Anthony Smith more than they like steep in Mio Church. And I understand that, like, you know, steep in a much better career. But nevertheless, like, it's their organization, the people are like, oh, they're playing

favorites. I'm like, did you just show up? This is, you know, this is kind of how it goes. But putting that aside, the reason why Anthony Smith gets a lot of respect from his colleagues is not just because he works there as a commentator or because you know, he shows up and fights even against tremendous odds. It's because this guy was never supposed to be here to begin with and he forced his way in the door.

And when you do something like that, people take notice. He was a also ran guy from the Midwest who was, you know, not remarkable in strike force, had a fight in Bellator, had an initial fight in UFC that didn't go anywhere, washed out of that kind of came back, did the scene a million times won a bunch of fights lost some fights won a bunch of fights lost some fights but then somewhere along the way everything began to click and people are like oh all he did was end up beating you know I'll make something up Rashad and Shogun and they were washed okay he definitely built his name doing that but you know know, beating Vulcan, who's the mirror the way he did

beating Gustafson the way he did. I mean, he absolutely turned into something that not one person who was watching this career, two, three years before that would have ever predicted. He is a success story, despite the many, many odds that were in front of him. And he was not, you know, he was not first round draft pick. I mean, obviously, there's no draft, but you know, whatever the equivalent would be, he was not that guy, but he just refused to go away.

He refused to succumb to the broader set of circumstances and turned himself into a very, for a time anyway, obviously not now anymore, but for a time, he turned himself into a very respectable fighter and a UFC title contender. You know, you don't have to like what he says in the media. Fine. And if you want to say the last few years have just been not, you know, super impressive, who's going to argue with you? But people

acting like, you know, oh, I don't get why they like this guy. They like this guy because he fucking earned it. That's why they like this guy. And you have to understand when you go from absolutely nothing to something pretty remarkable, people tend to take notice. I recommend other people try. Yeah, I'll give him. There's no question you give him that.

I mean, this is a 17 year career in which he had 60 fights. I mean, he was coming into his own in the UFC with like 13 losses at the time because there were times he didn't take his career seriously or didn't, you know, he wasn't given those big opportunities. When we sat down with him for room service diaries, any lingering jokes about, oh, Luke, that's your guy. Let's all have fun here. They got to go out the window because you meet the guy and he's so genuine. And I think the biggest takeaway I had from our RSD with him is exactly what you see played out

in his fights, and sometimes especially on this losing streak to end his career where he lost four of his last five and was stopped in three of them. You don't want to see him take punishment. I'm not trying to point out his ability to take punishment was one of his greatest calling cards, but on the flip side of that, obviously,

it's his durability and his courage, and when he told us on the RSD was, he just doesn't have an off switch to say no or stop when he's in turmoil. And that can obviously be a gnarly situation in fights against absolute killers who are porn it on you. But that's the spirit that got them to where he was. And I certainly have so much respect for that. I was surprised, Luke, though, that they gave.

I mean, I was surprised they gave that treatment to W sent to and how they're selective. Like I don't remember DC getting the red carpet rolled out. You can, you know, the Robbie Lawler one, the Mendenue's one, I thought they handled beautifully. Not that, not that critiquing how they handle it is really a thing. But I was surprised that they like gave him the champion treatment. Yeah, they gave them more than they gave steep a and for people who'd be like, I don't think that's fair. I fully agree with you. fully agree with you. The argument isn't that you know, they shouldn't have done it for Smith. The argument should be if they're going to do

something like that for Smith, then they should do something like that or more for somebody like steep a that's the arguments. Yeah, like, people being like, Oh, I have no idea why Smith's colleagues seem to like him so much. Well. Pay better attention to his history. It's not a it's not a fucking mystery. We know that a guy like Cowboy Seroni, for example, wasn't a champion, but it has just carved out such an identity. And some of that is the character and what he represents, too.

But obviously, it's the bad ass fights, the willingness to fight all the time. I mean, Smith fulfilled that in a different character way, and that's very valuable to a company, and the UFC appreciates that when you've got somebody who can headline on a moment's notice, and you can put them in there against anybody. They're willing to fight, they want to be out there competing, and can do it at a high level for a long time.

I'd be giving disservice if we didn't respect this man for what he's accomplished, and he's an inspiration too on top of that. And look, the great news is that even though I don't agree with his takes on PowerSlap, he's a good broadcaster. He's a good podcaster. He can add to this space in a lot of ways moving forward. So it's great to see him go out on his own terms here. Also, I didn't hate the stoppage.

He got cut real bad with that elbow when they were standing and he wasn't exactly. But dude, to borrow from Stephen Bredman Edwards, looked to me like he had a little loose change on him. Yes. I was okay with it. He should have been done probably and again, everyone else can hate Anthony Smith. I don't. But I do think he probably should have called it a day.

Maybe even after the Vitor Petrino fight to be perfectly honest with you. You know, so I was happy that they closed it off to be honest when you get wins like that you get that itch if it's exactly it. Look, it's not I remember our shadow is being honest with us that transition now that he's going to have at least he has things to fall back on, but it's going to be hard for anyone. So because that's the that's what motivates him that's his identity that's his craft his favorite thing so I can identify with

that but we wish Anthony Smith well here's his final message on the Twitter to call off a great career on the IG which you know I'm gonna be honest with that's too small for me to read right now that's a wrap congrats to Zhang the light heavyweight division is on notice. You're gonna have a great career. Thank you to all the people who have supported me all these years. I was never good enough to make it this far.

I'm just really happy that it all happened. Thank you to the UFC for saving my life. Dude, like this is what I mean, man. You know, these improbable stories are people who are never, ever, ever supposed to be here. And then they find a way to do it and I don't know people people can like and dislike who they want to see, but I think that's pretty admirable.

Do you like his tattoo package over? I don't know. I don't okay. I just wanted to hear the truth. No, he's got a couple of them that are pretty good for sure. But he's got a lot that I not for a lot of dreamcatchers, but it worked Luke. He caught him for sure.

John Ming Yang Luke. He seems like he's got some charisma. He gave some really corny one-liners in English afterwards. Here is him talking about who he really wants to fight. Next time, I want to irrepro-hasuka. In Singapore, I've seen your matches. I especially like your fighting style. You took the belt in that fight. You are not the champion now.

But I really appreciate your fighting style. Next fight, let's try it. and you won your belt in that fight. I like your style, I respect your warrior spirit, and now although you are not the champion anymore, I would like to fight you, to test myself. Luke, that's a big call out. Are you like an early believer that there's something there with that guy? Because he's got size too.

No, but he's got, he's, no, no. You think he's a donk in weighting, I know you do. I know it. He's a little bit better than a donk. He's not like, I mean, in some of his other fights, I was like, oh Jesus, okay. But he's got a little something to him, but I don't, I'm not penciling him in for a title shot.

I'll put it that way. Okay, that's fair. Luke, be honest with you. but I don't, I'm not penciling him in for a title shot. I'll put it that way. Okay, that's fair. Luke, be honest with you. Did Michelle Pereira, who had a full ensemble dance to The Cage, which is his old calling card, and then he used to gas out, right? Oh no, he still does, Luke. He gassed out here.

Aboos Magomedov gets a 30 to 27 on all three. What are we doing? I mean, what are we doing here, Luke? He you know, so so this gets back to that debate that Jen and I had about Yuri on the on the pregame preview from a couple of fights ago, where I was like, no, he should get better. Like he you know, like, oh, he's exciting. We don't want to change that. But I'm like, yeah, Yuri has better at the time he's gotten. Now he's better to change that. But I'm like, yeah, Yuri has better at the time

he's gotten. Now he's better. Or we'll see. But like his last performance, obviously gets Jamal Hill was really good. But before that, he just had poor defense. And I'm like, you can you can have better defense and still like be who you are. And to me, the Jamal Hill fight is like total evidence of that. But then you have someone like Pereira where it's like, oh, we want to make you better. And then you kind of make him you know, like a

cookie cutter kind of fighter. And it just ruins him. It just ruins it ruined him completely. And more to the point, you know, it's like, dude, how are you this muscular and athletic and your cardio is that shitty? How like how was that? How was that possible? How are you that good of an athlete? The dance Luke, that takes a lot out of a man. I mean, like, it's just unbelievable. So to me, it's like, you know, maybe he has got a future in karate combat.

I'm not even saying that pejoratively, like, you know, Sam Alvey has a few I had like has carved himself out a little niche over there, but he doesn't have a bright future in the UFC. I can say that. I think that's another guy where he's just got to go full on clown now and just like be a crate. Like I think he needed to be all or nothing a lot of ways on whether he's going to take it serious and not flip off the cage in the middle of the fight. Like I know it's super exciting. He does superhero shit. But if he's going to do I know like there's the

connection with the crowd that brings him joy. I've heard long interviews from him before translated where he just like talks about that the adoration of the fans is like everything that why he's in here. He just wants to entertain. So just be the full on brawler, crazy entertainer, Spider-Man opponent. Like just lean into it completely. Because we because trying to trying to do both is not working for you. Look, there's a lot of fights you could talk about on here. But was there a better brawl than Randy Brown at Welterweight

and Nicholas Dalby, who Dalby's nose was was pointing at Jan Juropa, Luke. And you know what I mean? The thing here is he almost scored a stoppage after get after being on the verge of death, but lingered long enough for Randy Brown to give him the the old. I mean, that is just a brutal KO. What does this say about Randy Brown, Luke, because that's your fight of the night. The crowd went banana, Luke.

They went full Jason Rosario. I thought for the most part, I mean, obviously Brown got dropped. What was that? The was he dropped in the first? He got dropped in the first, right? Yeah, first. Yeah, he got dropped in the first. And I was like, oh, you know, because before that he was looking pretty good He was keeping he was keeping Dolby at the end of his punches. He was flowing He was kind of pressuring, you know, he was dealing with any kind of blitz He gets dropped because he kind of doubled up on his jab and didn't take good account of the defense

But you know in general dude,, it's kind of funny. I was thinking about this. It's like, how many times do you have to get to know someone to really understand them as a fighter? You know what I mean? Like, you see them as a prospect, you kind of get a sense after a few fights. And, you know, sometimes they can change that up

a little bit later as a contender. Now, Brown's 34, but it's like, I feel like he's actually finally starting to really put everything together and like you almost now have to take a brand new look at him. I'm not here to say that like, oh, in this stack division for a guy who's been here forever, all of a sudden, he's just going to start surging through. It's really not my point, but clearly he can do I think I never, I never thought poorly of him, but I didn't know if he was going to ascend to anything into the ranked spaces, right? He might be ready for four or five. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like now he might be ready for that. And that ko was vicious. Again, not everyone's gonna kind of charge

at you in that way. That's going to enable that it don't do that almost with that right hand. And the way Dolby felt it almost looked like Holloway putting Gauchy's lights out a little bit. I mean, obviously slightly different, but it had a similar kind of feel in that precise moment. So I'm just trying to point out like, dude, Randy Brown is asking us to take a new look at him. And I think he's earned that. I think he's earned us kind of trying to reevaluate who he is at this stage. And with this win, he should move up the ladder and wherever that might be. And I thought it was very, again, even with a little bit of adversity in general,

pretty impressive. And look, he was born in Springfield, Mass, right near myself before moving to Jamaica as a toddler. The one loss in that five fights since he was subbed out by Jack Della was that Brian battle fight that was not only a split decision and could have gone his way. But remember, battle missed Wade and then was like all about I'm going to use the weight that I missed to wrestle you the whole way

and just win like it was he actually is is probably better than that stretch indicates. Now, I don't know if he's going to make that next leap, Luke, but he earned this one. Holy shit. And you don't be took a bite in. He took a damn beat in on national television. Thank you for that, Nicholas. I'll be that one. Were you not entertained from the crowd just losing their frickin mind? Like, that's what every Saturday night is supposed to be, Luke Thomas.

That's what it is. That's what he delivered. He they asked him to deliver and he did. And again, I think, you know, to your point about the battle fight, which was the one just before this, you know, it didn't go his way. And it was weird. But like, you know, in general, dude, he's looking like, he's looking like he can do a little something, something I would like to see what that ultimately leads us

to. Yeah. Do you like those videos going around where you bank seniors like Ross Safari? He? It was pretty bad. Absolutely. I've not seen that. Oh, my God, dude. There's a whole new rabbit hole you need to go down of when he adopts his mother's tongue and does the Jamaican bit, but then then works right back into the classy English bit. I mean, the guy's like, OK, he should be on Broadway or something. Look, you know, he's a wow. All right, look, also.

Giga Chakazi, you argued he could have been the favorite here. It was a competitive ass fight, but he lost two rounds to David. Oh, Nama across the board in their catch weight. Long Island. Luke, how did you score that fight? 29, 28. Oh Nama. What is your sense about where our Chakazi is anymore?

So dude, he looked damn good round one? I said if he could keep up this pace for three rounds like he's someone to be messed with as soon as Onama realized he could take him down. He was like, oh shit. Well, this is an easy path to victory and I feel like anyone now going forward is just going to follow that game plan. So right. Yeah, to me, to me, I think it's a good read. I think Chakazi has like overall

a higher level of certain kinds of skills. But I, yeah, I'm hesitant to say damaged goods BC, but I feel like he's been solved. And once once that happens to you, it's hard to wrestle that back. He's in a tough place. I agree. I agree with you on that. But this is this card delivered Luke Icarum, all of the first round hammer to Andre Munez. It been a long time. Terrible. He did. But like Alice Skerolf needed this coming off of that Whitaker

demolished demolition and the time off. I wasn't like overly impressed, but he's a hammer. He he dropped the hammer. He, he dropped the hammer. The fight was over quickly after that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he, he hit him in like, you know, just pressure up against the fence, got a few shots through that would, it wobbled him or it dropped him anyway. And then he polished them off basically like, you know, it doesn't tell us much, but good for Alice Gerov to, you know, get back on the winning track or whatever.

And dude, Matt Schnell and the preliminary featured bout coming out of retirement at Flyweight against Jimmy Flick. First of all, that was a great fight. I felt like the decision was kind of up in the air. Dude, Schnell should just stop with this retirement bid. The dude still got it. This fight was must see TV. Look, it was a great TV fight against small fighters just switching positions, grappling like knots out down

there. It's just what it's just a question of what these guys want. You know, like Jim Miller was able to extend his career. Because he was willing to take fights that other guys you know, at his stage are typically not. I don't think Chanel is going to win a title at flyweight. I don't think that's necessarily unfair BC. But if he wants to fight these kinds of guys and these kinds of fights, to your point, he seems fully capable of winning them and doing it in an exciting fashion.

As much as I'm impressed with him and I'm like, yeah, stay around. This was great. Am I just impressed that we're out of the apex? I mean, it's not like we haven't been out of the apex lately, but I feel like this is that that fresh reminder, even though I like this card on paper and I love the main event, this is that fresh reminder that when you're in a location that is just yearning for it and there's a lot of those locations still, even with the price gouging going on, that people are breaking down walls to come see the UFC.

Dude, this matters. This adds to it. There was a bunch of moments on this card where I come back from the bathroom and it sounds like main event level pops from that crowd. That that just kind of fuels like a addictive like like STDs in college, Luke, it just gets passed around so quickly. It gets contagious, right? The Casey crowd was very STD like. Yeah, you know, if you're willing to make that, if you're willing to reach or the or around,

hey, Luke, what else did you like on this undercard? I don't know if you could be as eloquent as that though. Johnson Edwards had a nice win. You know, I'm not sure what it exactly means, but I've never been super high on her and that was a pretty nice win. It didn't look like Chelsea Chandler went all in on like fitness. I wondered if that would change her game. Yes, absolutely. You could even tell a couple of days out, like from some of the media pictures

that came out, I was like, oh, she's a pretty good shape. Jocelyn Edwards looked pretty good. I think Daman Blackshear is always someone that you should keep in mind. He, I think he's got some real ability. Chris Gutierrez getting the win was good as well, but to me, we, you know, um, uh, what was the one I wanted to mention? Uh uh it's talking about Cameron Simon getting sent to hell again Luke. Oh yes. God dude. I mean he kind of came to the UFC with like a ton of hype and it has not. Oh that that was a rough

fall too. You know I wish we could show it but they would copyright the shit out of us. They'll just they'll just take down the show because they're haters. But yeah, that's true. Oh, dude, I got to mention this featherweight who I'd never heard of. Long Island Luke, should I know about Timothy Kuamba? Because he would hit that flying knee on Roberto Romero, and the crowd lost their damn mind.

Well, he was losing that fight pretty bad, dude. He lost the first round pretty clearly. Also, that's a Nixit guy. Luke, you probably know Timmy Kuamba, right? I don't. I'm actually, I got introduced to him through this event. I've not talked to coach about it. So, you know, no surprise that an Eric NICSIC trained fighter is pretty good. Yep. Yeah. Bad ass right there. Fun card over the weekend. Now, Luke, we got to transition

though into topic number three. And it's some cards that were are to come. We did get a Dana White public social media announcement of new fights and they are exciting. We did not get the full updates even with Dana's press conference appearance on Saturday about when Jones Aspin, although he remains confident will happen or will Elia Islam. Dana didn't sound like he knew in that regard. Here's what he does know about, though, and this is awesome.

UFC 318 in mid to late July in New Orleans will be the final fight for Dustin Poirier in the home state. And it's Max Holloway, the trilogy for the damn BMF title. Like, yeah, this is the good shit right there. So, Luke, this is the right fight to make. I can ask you if it's not, but I think you'd have to agree. Central casting, nobody loses here. We're gonna get tons of Bushido on the way out, maybe even in the hospital room, but it'll all be under the name of love, Luke.

What a match. I can't wait for this. I saw some people bitching about this, and I gotta tell you, I don't really get that. I understand. Here's one argument that I saw, which was, okay, if Poirier wins, he gets a title, but then he's going to retire. So now what happens with the belt? And I'm like, well, if you're the UFC, that just gives you a chance to plug it in any

other place you want it. You know what I mean? Like it's a gimmick belt to begin with, obviously, but you know, if you want to send it into the Walter weight division, if you want to send it into the, uh, they didn't make Jorge defend it, right? It's not like exactly exactly. You can send it, send it, send it into the. Uh, they didn't make Jorge defend it, right? It's not like exactly, exactly. You can send it, send it, send it to fucking flyway. I mean, who cares?

Whatever you can do, whatever you want. So that gives them some flexibility there. Also, if max wins, not for nothing. Like, you know, first of all, like understand what it would mean for max to beat Dustin Porre. I don't mean the context I'm saying. What is it going to look like in an effort where max gets his hand raised over

Dustin? And the answer is BC war. Wow. That's the answer. I mean, what is it good for Luke? That's the answer. Like if you're like what version of Max winning is like, oh, take down to the back and chokes him out. Nah, son. That's not what's gonna happen. That's not what's gonna happen at all. It's gonna be it's gonna be an absolute blood and guts dog fight. So you know, to me, it's like that is a reason enough to do it putting back in Louisiana smoothie King Center, which is right downtown. If you've ever been to New Orleans is right downtown. It's literally right next to the Superdome down

there. Like the homecoming of it all. We're just talking about giving Smith like this big treatment. I hope that Poirier gets an amazing sendoff and I'm glad the UFC is doing it. And I feel like, dude, like you just know this fight is gonna rule. I mean, the chances of it being bad, they exist, but they seem BC for me, infinitesimally small. Now Long Island Luke is also

mentioning, okay, but Holloway has lost twice. You know, why should I really care about a third fight BC? Can you think of a boxing doesn't have to be just a trilogy? Because I know, you know, for example, Pacquiao Marquez fought more than that. But like, can you think of a fight that at least or a series of fights between two guys, where one was down to and one in the third? Hello, I would point out to people, rampage lost to Vanderlei twice. And then it was

only in the third fight where he punched his fucking lights out. So it can happen. Absolutely. But is there one on the boxing side that stands out? I mean, the Pacquiao Marquez one is unique because there was a draw and then you had to Pacquiao wins and controversial wins, both being controversial. And then you get the just insane one way knockout there with Marquez. I mean, it has happened. I'm trying to think.

I mean, certainly back in the day when, you know, like the Sugar Ray Robinson era where, you know, they've got a bunch of famous rivalries there where guys fought five, six, seven times. But I don't have the relevant recent one that leaps out at me. It is a rare occurrence, although there's been times where I think it's been necessary. Like, I thought we should have got Whaley versus Rose at 115 in a trilogy that would have followed those same rules. Also, not for nothing, but like Max Holloway, dude, before the UFC 300, you know, I thought that people were being a little bit alarmist but like most people I was like uh I don't know about this fight

for Max this is you know we're talking about a not just a guy in Gachey who's good but like a unknown bruiser right and dude everyone focuses on the knockout. Hello, Max beat his ass. Are we forgetting this? Like Max looked awesome in that fight. And to go back to 45, which I did not think going 45, 55, then back to 45 was gonna serve him very well against Ilya Tupori, sure enough it didn't. But the thing that I go back to is I've talked to Max's

people a bunch of times, you know, they weren't really ready for 55 when they fought poor you the second time, they just cut less weight. But now he's like building up building up building up building up look at the punching power that he showed at 55 not just in the knockout, but like even before that and the overall array of skills he's developed. I got news for everybody dude Max Holloway. He's probably an underdog right now. He's a live

dog in that fight. And if he gets a win over Poirier, it puts him right back to the front of that division at 55. It's like, what the fuck is the problem with this fight? I mean, I know most people are happy, but just with the critics out there, it's time to wake up a little bit on this. It's my rules.

It is. And Holloway just knocked out the guy in Gachey who had just knocked out Poirier by head kick when we were having the same questions about his pori. He's still that guy. And look what he gave us against Mahachev. So, yeah, I think Holloway is in certainly a better position to get his first win. Luke, don't forget Tito Ortiz. Finally got a win after two losses to Liddell. And that's OK. That's all right.

Oh, OK. All right. P Golden Boy, M.A. on that one. No, dude, this rules and I love I mean, I love when non title fights can be must see enough in their own cool ass way to be a pay per view main event. And it's you know, it's it's it's rare. It's like a McGregor Diaz. It's like a rampage Rashad. You don't see it a lot. But this is one of those even with the ceremonial BMF title.

It's just like sometimes you just got to make fun action fights. Just like sometimes you got to make potentially shitty action movies like The Expendables and just get your friends together and have like a old guy all star game of action stars. This is what this is also, Luke. It's entertainment. People want to come in and cheer these guys into hell and then pull them right back out with their love. Let's go. There's a score one for MMA. But look, what do you think about the Atlanta card that also got announced

that is going to have Joaquin Buckley against Kamara Usman in the main event? A huge test for Buckley against a name who still got something, even though he's on a losing streak and is coming off of that. Chum I have lost at middleweight. I think I don't think it's a huge test. I think Buckley is going to work them. They could be that it could be that time and we have questions about Usman's knees and and you know, and all that. I mean, look, he he did come back in that third round against Chum I have to save face.

It was a division up. He's had a lot of time off. He's had injuries that he's taken care of. But it's Buckley's time to get a name like this. And with this division being so clogged at the moment at the top, hell yeah to that. And Luke, even though I'm kind of sad that Rose has dipped this far down the rankings, Miranda Maverick,

we've needed to see her against a legit name because she can go on these runs against secondary competition. How about Rosanna Muniz against Miranda Maverick at 125 in the co-main event is this this is not a pay-per-view correct. There's a fight. This is a fight night. Mm hmm. This is a badass one-two punch, right?

It's a great one-two punch. First of all, I just want to say something about Joaquin Buckley. So here's he lost two in a row at 85, right? It's a great one to punch. First of all, I just want to say something about Joaquin Buckley. So here's he he lost two in a row at 85. Right? So he lost the decision to Nassiridine Imavov. Okay, and then Chris Curtis punched his lights out, which was actually kind of surprising at UFC 282. But since then, he hasn't lost. He beat Andre Fialio and then Alex Morneau, whatever. But he beat Vicente Luque, who is, you know, I think, not like old age wise, but certainly long in the tooth on miles. Then he beat nurse Alton roos a boy of which, you know, doesn't tell us much. Then he knocks out Wonder Boy, and

then he stops Colby, my man is out here just cleaning up the elderly section of the welterweight division, like this just absolutely thrashing them and pushing them out the door. Here he is with Kimar Usman. Kimar Usman is to my mind the second best welterweight of all time. He has a very decorated career. I was not impressed with what the tape shows in the third fight with Leon Edwards, not even close.

And I a lot of people keep talking about him as like some kind of big player in the welterweight division and I understand he is by name and certainly he is by historical achievement. I make no mistake about it. We're talking about one of the very best guys to ever do it at this weight class, but I think that time has long since passed. I don't think that the I don't my view is people haven't really realized how far gone. Usman is in terms of being relevant at

the top of this division and I think Buckley is going to show us. Well, Luke the you, the media members who do the UFC rankings. I'm sure someone told them they had to. They've kept old Usman in the top five forever. He's absurd. Three right now. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He has even won in that division in like four years. It's crazy, although he had one of the all time greatest runs he did

when he was on top, Huff's and P pound king got movie roles like shout out to that guy? Is is it over for Rose as a contender? No, I mean, she's actually doing pretty well. I would say if you lose, you know, she's a little bit up and down. But more recently, more up than down. But the problem is, it's not it's not the end of the world if she loses in that sense PC. But what it would signify is that the game is passed her by you know,

it's one thing to lose to Blanchfield right? But Maverick is not the same kind of hammer. She's not the same kind of like like march you down type she's a little more, you know, operates on the outside or tries to mix up the game, you know, a little bit more of a round manager, I think is the way I would look at it. That's not somebody that Nama Yunus would have lost to three, four years ago.

Yeah. So if you lost to that person now, it would kind of tell you where you're at. And I know what everyone's going to say, Oh, Rose is only 32 years old. Yeah. But like she got started real early. She's had an unusual career in terms of the timing of everything.

And I'm not saying she's done. She might go in here and beat the brakes off of Maverick. You're like, Oh bet she's back. But this is her whole career highs and lows, constant bingo. So where are we? You know what I mean? That's what we're trying to figure out. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she has been closer than she gets credit for and some of the

losses at 125, right? And she was injured in the furrow fight, but still fought hard. The odds for Holloway, pori, according to DraftKings here from no Sita minus 105 Holloway, but Pauly way is minus 115. So like this is just, just pick your seat and get fired up. Here's Poirier on the old Pat McAfee show about why Holloway. Yeah, we're coming back to New Orleans. The UFC's coming back to New Orleans in July. July 19th is gonna be my final fight.

I'm gonna lay the gloves down in Louisiana where it all started for me. The whole journey started there. July 19th, me and Max Holloway are gonna fight five rounds, main event,per-view for his current BMF title and there's not a better guy I can think to fight in my retirement fight I was his first fight in the UFC back in 2012 and he's gonna be my last fight in the UFC so it's an honor he's a legend, former champion, undisputed current BMF champion. So we're going to put on another war. Yeah, good shit right there. So there's another clip where he talks about it.

That's not I may have mislabeled that one when I put it in the run. Don't be so sorry about that. If you got something else to play play it. Is there is there excited man? This has been a long time in the works getting Louisiana on board get the UFC to even think about coming back to Louisiana but it's happening super excited there's nobody else I'd rather be standing across from when I lay the gloves down or when I go into my final fight Max is a legend I got so much respect

for the guy he's done it all right and that was his first fight in the UFC and he's gonna be my last well that was the wrong one too I sent you the wrong one I'm a f***ing idiot all right well sure we got to see Mike bone again. The point the point is, is he had said that he thought there would be a couple of other names that were thrown his way. And he was kind of looking for it. And then UFC came to him with Max, and they were like, we really want this one for you. And so he's like, Okay, cool. We'll take it. But it wasn't exactly

where his head was at. Nevertheless. Nevertheless, I might be leaning Max. I don't know, I don't know, man. It's hard to know, like after that knockout loss to Toporia, which again, nobody's ever done, dude, Toporia fought this fucking guy for 25 minutes at 55 and couldn't put his lights out, and then Toporia does it.

So it's like huge question marks for Max as well. This fight, bang, brother. no one paid us to say that. We're just naturally passionate about these two gentlemen. Luke, also quickly we've got, oh, by the way, the Atlanta card with Usman and Numanza is June 14th. So that's the week after UFC 316. And Jamal Hill and Club Wheel around you

were supposed to be this Saturday in KC, but it's gonna be in Azerbaijan, Luke, which nobody was really calling for, at least in the airspace that I but they're obviously going to get paid a ton for a site fee. That's why it made it worth it. I do like when they go to new places. This should be interesting. How would you rate this main and co main with when you got Rafael Fazeva on this card as well on a one in scale. Yeah, so it's the main was is as you mentioned, it was supposed to be the one for Casey. So Khalil routing and Jamal Hill, which should be fun. Definitely. And then your your co main is Rafael Fazeva and Ignacio Bob Mondes. And dude, don't forget about Tyger, Ulan Bekoff at flyweight against Kyoji Horiguchi. Okay, yep. Okay. Yep. Okay.

They got some bangers now again. I don't I don't I don't know why they're in Baku before they're in Barcelona, but okay, whatever. You know, I mean, I know we know why I'm just saying it's just kind of funny that way, but whatever the card itself. I love this fight for Fazeve. I love this fight for Nacho.. I love this fight for Nacho. I mean, this is, hell yeah, dude.

Good shit right here. I'm fired up. And that main event's gonna be real fun to watch. Hell yeah, it will be. All right, yeah, here we go. I was gonna make a Nacho Vidal joke, but I'll skip it. This podcast is sponsored, by the way, by Total Wireless, the official wireless partner of the UFC.

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base 5G unlimited plan for new subscribers applies only to the monthly right for your plan. Additional terms apply. See website for details. Luke, let's talk about it. Saturday's Chris Eubank Jr. Connor Ben Clash in London, it got our attention. It is an old school family duel, second generation stars, and a tradition in royalty of British boxing history of what their two fathers did. We knew we would care to a certain degree. Then there was the egging, then there was the soap operas, then there was this WWF angle with father and son having beef.

I mean, it was wild. And then the entrances were all the pageantry of the live band. This was some royal shit going on. And then these two guys. After round and put on the damn fight of the year. And it was a damn movie. Luke Thomas, this is reminds you of why you're into this game, of why you fell for this sport. There's so much to talk about.

What made this so special for you in totality here about what these two fighters did to really cut the line to be in your mid-year fight of the year as we get closer there. Dude, if I told you the beginning of the year that Chris Eubank, you know, or Connor Ben, like not necessarily against each other, but like imagine I had a separate conversation. Oh, by the end of the year, Connor Ben will have been in Boxing's fight of the year.

You'd be like, get the fuck out of here. If I told you about Chris Eubank, you'd be like, well, maybe like in a Canelo bout or something like that. But you didn't have that. You didn't have an A-list boxing star. You didn't have a major title. You didn't have really a lot of the things that you would think are like the guarantors of,

you know, what make these kinds of accolades or incredible moments possible and yet dude everything about this fight worked the pre-fight build-up worked the fans showed up the storyline was there the history was in both part of it and then to a degree fulfilled in a way. There was drama, there was surprise. Drugs, all that. Yeah, controversy. There was the surprise of his father, Chris Eubank's father showing up. Which was incredible.

Which we had talked about. We talked on Friday about, you know, where he said, you know, my son is a disgrace. Like I was like, I didn't know when I was on, when I saw that he was coming, I was like, Oh my God, this fight, they keep ratcheting it up when you think that they can't ratchet up and then BC, then the fight happens. And these two guys, we talk about it all the time, Lee leaving a piece of themselves in the ring that night. That is exactly what they

did. It was so funny to what to about this fight to me BC is, you know, at first it was kind of you had been like lunging in kind of far away. And, and you beg kind of try to keep it a distance. Do they both said fuck that the last third of that fight anyway, they were right on top of each other, destroying one another, landing big shot after big shot. This fight had ups, downs, twists, turns. When you talk about a fight over delivering, I'm not sure if I can think of one happened more recently that didn't involve a title that didn't involve an A-list star or to that point BC didn't involve a pound for pound guy and you would not have known that watching that you

would have thought they were fighting for the most prestigious title you would have thought that these guys were the biggest stars in the world especially how they were greeted by their countrymen in this and you would have thought I'm not saying that like, you know, you couldn't nitpick the talent, but the way in which they rose to the occasion, it's the kind of thing you are more typically going to associate with a pound for pound level guy. Again, I'm not saying that the talent level is the same, but the spirited nature of their performance almost had to rub your eyes. BC. I can scarcely think of a fight that had none of those kinds of ingredients and yet the dish that was

produced was absolutely magic. What a fight the I tip my hat to the promoters and the fighters and everyone involved everything about this promotion worked. Yeah. And I mean, shout out to Turkey Al-Sheikh. This was the first of his ring magazine series. And we can say certain things all we want. We got to be there and say when Turkey comes out and hits a damn home run. And that's what this card felt like.

And that's a tribute to the crowd. It's obviously a tribute to the two families, not just the two fighters. I mean, the two fathers, Nigel Ben and Chris Eubanks, senior, deciding to sit next to each other ringside at the same table so we can get full on reactions. I mean, everything about it was theatrical, cinematic. So when I say it wasn't a fight, it was a movie. I'm not trying to be hip here with my with my gray hair. I'm trying to basically say that, like everything Luke said, not, you know,

not a title fight yet. Yet it captured everyone's imagination. How many times do we get this wrapping paper? And then the then the the contents on the inside, the fight is like, oh, the fight was so hum. But man, that was a fun journey. Right. How often does it equal the expectations? How often does it do what would happen on Saturday where it just takes it to a whole new level? The reason why I say this was a movie is not just because it's got everything, but it's got this insane storyline of these second generation stars that were kind of just gotten to certain points of yes, fame and some acclaim in terms of what they accomplished in the

ring. But they're kind of two underachievers that have been getting by on the dad's name, even though they are brash in their own way and they certainly attempt to carry a big star. Neither had had a defining moment in the ring. You bank was 35 and we thought like, OK, like he's in the twilight. Ben was 28, but it was like, man, at 154, he doesn't look like the same guy. And you got the drug test thing hanging over his head. Only he goes up to middle weight and he's the bigger puncher throughout. He's like rocking Eubank and fighting with massive

way of us. Just, I mean, like the amount of like damn moments where Ben is in there swinging for the fences against a guy to weight divisions bigger than him. Like this doesn't even make sense that these guys would be perfect dance partners in there. But I think it makes sense only through their stories and how they kind of have been the lost as pros. They've been underachievers and they found themselves in the boxing ring at the same time and because of and through each other. That's some that's some Sylvester Stallone bullshit like that's you know what I'm

saying, that's what this fight was and it was savage and it was just perfectly sloppy enough at times when they were fading down the stretch. But you've got to see the humanity that this non title fight was to redeem their entire career arcs and name so that they can be second generation stars, not just the kid of that guy. Ben didn't even win. And yet we're like shit if he fights with this spirit, but smarter at 147 in the future, like he could be a real big time factor. Everybody won at the end of the day.

That almost never happens. I like what else could you say about it, Luke? It gave us everything we wanted and then some Brent Brookhouse, my colleague at CBS Sports was like, I'm not f***ing around. This might be the fight of the decades so far. Five years into this, like it gripped you on that Goddy Ward type shit, right, right? Where the story, the character, the feels, that was enough, only this had everything but a title on it.

I love the point that you raise, like it's hard for guys who've been underachievers to find ways to make history in a way that the fans can care about and fans will remember. And they did it. They did it. That's the interesting part about the whole thing, BC. You know, again, no title, no pound for pound people, blah, blah, blah, been over a million times, but they will now be remembered because of what they each did for one another and for this moment and that will etch them into at least for the British boxing sake, immortality. That is, I mean, that is a special, dude, that was a special moment. That whole thing was special. I, I, I, I, we had said we gave the fight all of the accolade, all the praise for like how well

it was built up. But I didn't know how the fight was going to go. You know, I plus you bank hasn't even spoken to the media went right to the hospital when the whole thing was over. Looked terrible trying to cut the weight. And I was like, I don't know how this fight's gonna go. BC that 12th round when he's got Ben on the ropes and he is going to work on him,

and Ben is like getting clipped with huge shots and he's still firing back, but Eubank is right on top of him, man. Just give it to, I was like, holy shit. I'll be honest. I, BC, I didn't know they had it in them. I didn't know they had it in them. Isn't that the best quote? Isn't that the best quote? Chris Eubanks, Jr. Said it. He broke his jaw. By the way, they would find out afterwards. We went to the hospital. We did a quick interview

in the ring. And he just kept saying, I had no idea. He had that in him. None of us did. Right? None of us did. Right. He came in and he acted like the bigger man and he rightfully lost. It was eight to four on all three scorecards. You could have it a little bit closer. I mean, but there was but there was these beautiful ebbs and flows where they just controlled certain stretches of the fight. But inevitably, especially down the stretch, dude, it got bat shit crazy in there. You know, it wasn't like as savage, but held together as like Corrales Castillo.

It's kind of its own thing. It was just this fight that had no business being this good. And dude, these are English sporting heroes moving forward. They're not the kids of them. They extended the story, another chapter of the family rivalry and lineage here. Like this is some theatrical shit, man. It's like George Groves losing the two fights to Karl Fratz, but being a part of history in front of 80 K, he's Sir George forever.

Right. These guys are going to have that opportunity now to make a lot of money in a short period of time, whether it's against each other in a rematch that you know, the fans are going to be calling for, even though there's just as loud of a cry, it seems, for people who want Ben to go back to 147 so that he doesn't have to leave it all on the line. But this was kind of the perfect fight. We just didn't see it as that for them to do that, for them to try to carve out defining moments.

It wouldn't have made sense coming in to make that argument, Luke. But on the way out, now you see it. This was their time to make it all worth it like this was holy shit we were witnesses to it like am i being too am i too much and look am i trying to tell you i love you after the first night yeah we were trying to get pregnant i'm not doing that i'm gonna wear a rubber but the point i'm trying to make is i generally agree with you like you know i one of those things where it's like you'll find out who the true fight fans are watching that which is to say everybody would like it you know like

all right not everybody but you know most people will watch that and find it entertaining but fight fans like you bc if i fans like you know our audience they're moved by it you know what i mean like it speaks to something deep in their soul to see something like that. You don't get, I mean, we watch a lot of fights. We watch a lot of fights too. Yeah. You know what I mean? We watch a lot of bullshit, but then when you see something like this, it's like, Oh my fucking God, can this all be like this?

Please? How do we, how do we get more of something so, so delightful to be a part of? And dude, the you banks moment where you bank senior gets out of the car, like we're fucking WWF here and the crowd lost their shit, lost their damn mind when they saw that. How about you bank senior in the ring after what was the exact quote he said about Chris Jr's performance? He was like, it was like, it's something legendary. It was so classy the way he said it, but it was so proud.

It was like, I bet you there's times up to that moment. And seniors, you know, they've been fighting on and off for years. Seniors criticized his son many a time for not having the right direction in his career. This was the moment where Senior clapped and stood and you know, the Rudy moment with the tear coming down the eye, right? The guy from Rock, the groundskeeper, right? He's clapped.

I mean, it's that moment right there. And then they interviewed him in the ring and they were like, Senior, we didn't know you were gonna be, you know, following it. We didn't know you'd get us back and come here. And he was like, I will always have my sons back. Rastafari and he just walks off, dude.

I mean, this is like, what the hell's going on? It's the greatest thing ever. I mean, this is what I mean, like every once in a while, like every domino that's supposed to fall does. And it felt like this time all the dominoes hit. What do we have this comparison to show here? Let's take a show. Show it to us. Look at this, B.C. Oh, wow. Look at this. the dominoes hit. When we have this comparison to show here, let's take a show it

to us. Look at this BC. Oh, wow. Look at this. Are you kidding? That's beautiful. That's beautiful right there. Someone needs to paint that. Wow. So that's, you know, top left Nigel Ben. This is the first matchup between you being senior and Nigel Bennett came out middleweight you banked defended his title and knocked out Nigel Bennett round nine. And I actually actually never seen the rematch, but it came in 93 and it was compared to this fight their kids had on Saturday.

Apparently it's an all time classic. It was to unify titles at 168 and was a split draw. So now I'm fired up to go back and catch that one that I missed. But damn, man. I mean, look, we got to see it, right? We got to see it again. We got to see it again. We got to see it again. Can you can you imagine how big that's going to be? They did 65 at Tottenham Hotspur. They're going to do more than that in the rematch.

Believe that. I don't know if it's the right move for Ben, but here is Ben talking about you, Ben. I looked at Chris Senior and I said to him, grabbed him by the neck. I said, mate, I'm so happy you're here. I'm so happy you turn up, You know, because outside of everything else, outside of all the noise and the promotion and the fight, your relationship with your dad never goes. That's always there. That's long standing.

That's without boxing. You know, what's boxing? You know, what is it? You know, because I pick the relationship with my dad over boxing any dad a week, you know, so to see them to if this is brought in together, call that's worth its weight in gold. I didn't hear anything. I'm not sure what happened there.

Oh, I heard the whole thing. It was brilliant the way that Connor Ben was talking about Eubanks senior and coming back for his son, even though it seemed like it was a, you know, it was a skit, they fooled everybody. Luke, the quote from Eubanks senior was, that was legendary behavior in the ring. Like that's the nicest thing you can ever say about it, son, right there.

Doesn't get much better, man. Really doesn't. Damn. Ben wants revenge. We got one more clip to show here. Yeah, I want the revenge, man. I want my revenge. It took me back.

It did take me back. In a good way and in a bad way. And when I'm sitting there going, oh my gosh, this is unbelievable. And then in the same breath, there's just a lot of new first times for me today. First stadium fight, first time fighting back here in three years. First fight at 160.

You know, I had you bank hurt multiple times, three, four times in there. Noticeably, just couldn't get a finish. You know, so I'll make sure for next time that that finishes there. He did. He had him hurt a couple times, man. He, I mean, was it round nine was the big one, right? Where he just really rocked his shit. Yeah, I did. You heard that, right?

You heard the whole thing. Yeah, I heard that one completely. Yep. Okay, sweet. Yeah, I mean, I do kind of want to see in the short-term future if Ben can go back and make 47. What does he look? I mean, if he can and he can be healthy, what does he look like with this renewed spirit? This is exactly my point. Like this whole

thing has, you know, Connor, Ben, I mean, his mentions and Eddie herns mentions anytime Eddie would bring up Connor on social media, we're just like a graveyard, you know, everybody killing them both. And I'm not saying for not good reason, I'm just saying that's what was happening. And maybe there'll be some of that going forward BC, but look at what these guys bought themselves in terms of opportunity, not just with a rematch, but if you're a U bank, dude, Canelo has to be looking at this and thinking, okay, I can make good use of that. They were already talking U bank and Canelo beforehand didn't work.

I think now he's going to be much more part of the Canelo sweepstakes going forward. And if you're're Ben he goes to 47 dude 47 has so many opponents for him that could all be red hot a lot of them already have most of them nearly all of them Have relationships with turkey already. So, you know making the fight should not be some kind of difficult Endeavor do these guys bought themselves a lot of goodwill dude Eddie has He has been and he also has boots, right? So who seems happy with Eddie? So there doesn't look like they're going to break up.

I don't know. We'll see what happens there. But crazy stuff. I actually want both Ben Eubank to go out and get their biggest fight possible, because I feel like they can meet up at any point. Like this fight wasn't supposed to be this good. And look, it was. I don't I don't think it matters if they both lose a fighter. You know, this this is a timeless rivalry.

I hope we at least get a second helping. Luke, topic number five quickly. And that's all the time it needed, by the way, quickly at KSW over the weekend. The Polish super cards that they roll out. How about this for a circus match that got us fired up? It was strongman Eddie Hall defeating Mariusz Pudjanovski, the 48 year old legend in 30 seconds. But I think the biggest highlight was he was literally manhandling Pooja throwing him around like a

dwarf Luke Thomas and then hit him a million times in the back of the head. I want to get your reaction to this piece of business is it was sloppy heaven in a lot of ways. It was also weird. Did we learn anything? I mean, is, is hall legit now after this? Well, first of all, I'll tell you one thing that I learned. I had no idea about this, but apparently I'm reading this. This was in the daily star in July of 2013. I never heard of this. This is the headline about Eddie Hall quote. I'm a racist admits UK's strongest man. So I had no

idea that he apparently I mean, you know, nothing in this world that I like BC is ever. It all just turns to shit. It really is amazing. I had all this time I was like, Wow, what a great story this guy's had. And then someone showed me this. And I was like, I mean, maybe maybe he's changed since then. I have no idea. I'm just finding out about this. So that really kind of bummed me out if I can be totally honest with you. However, I mean, can you just imagine that? It's like, oh, here's this thing that I really like. It's like, oh, this guy admitted like to a major publication in the UK openly.

This is similar feelings when the guitarist of Cannibal Corpse had that brush with the law, Luke, if you know what I'm talking about. Well, you know, he had mental problems. That's you know, okay, okay and and the band was like, you need to go address that. They didn't keep **** touring with him, you know. Yeah, didn't Dave Matthews do that to the violinist too. Didn't that Dave Matthews dump all the feces and the piss out of the bus. That's that's that's literally the best thing that that DMB has done. But okay, you asked about the fight.

Straight talk on this. It was impressive. So what I would say is, I didn't realize this. Correct me if I'm wrong. On Friday's show, did we not say that I thought Puginowski was kind of up against it because he'd been off for two years, he's nearly 50. He's been better overall, but like, you know, Hall is kind of surging. I didn't realize that. So at least someone told me this, apparently, Pujanowski was a big favorite, a big betting

favorite, which I found after after the fact was very surprised by. I was not surprised that it that Hall one, we should say a couple things. One, the shots to the back of the head were a lot. And can you imagine a man that size just rabbit punching the fucking stem of your brain? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I don't know how to assess that exactly. Whatever. But I can't say that time where he kind of did the throw by when he shucked Puginowski by and Puginowski went flying across the cage. I was like, yo, here's the point I wanted to make. If you're the PFL and I know our friends, Jed Mishu and Mike heck have talked about

this BC. I echo their sentiments. If you're the PFL, you're, you know, again, you don't mind doing business with a guy where the headline is I'm a racist admits UK's strongest man. I mean, just unbelievable how myvable how my life is just kind of keeps coming back to this. But if you don't mind that, and you're trying to find somebody who can fit the bill for a big fight with Francis, BC, a KSW, PFL show. I mean, look, I think it's a it's a larger question of should PFL be more willing to gimmick to get ahead.

And it seems like they were. I mean, they signed Jake Paul and announced that he would fight in MMA. And now we feel like that'll probably never happen. And we also only got one Francis fight so far. And some of these women's boxers didn't end up panning out in terms of like long term entertainment options that they signed or didn't fight at all. But this is also. I mean, it works for Bellator when they were making ridiculous ratings on Spike and the Paramount Network during that stretch of Kimbo and old fights.

You do have to do it as a life preserver. But are these the right people? I mean, there is this masculine 80s action movie response in me that's like, Oh my God, that's the freakiest freak show fight between behemoths. Like bring back the pride feels we used to have. Like, let's just get sloppy and weird. Yeah, let's do it. 366 pound Eddie Hall against Inganu. I mean, you would not watch it. You can do it, but you have to do it in a limited way. If you, if you make that the core of what you do, it erodes the product. It does. But at the same time, I'm like, Hey, Umar Kane against Eddie Hall

and kind of watch that look. So I don't know, but, uh, that's what it was. And it was like, he's not legit, but also that win is not nothing against 48 year old. That's right. That's exactly right. It's like, it's not, I don't know exactly what it is, but it's definitely not nothing. Yeah. If he wants to, you know, risk getting his ass kicked and do some of these freak fights.

I mean, Francis would send him to the bottom of earth. Luke, you know this. Um, which would be really difficult for him, apparently, you know, cause I think it would, it would, it would really break his heart, you know, because I think it would it would it would really break his heart, you know, that a guy like that would do something like that. I don't know if you could sanction that. Could you I guess you could. Uh depends what jurisdiction you're in. Yeah. The jurisdiction is money. It'll get passed. Alright,

look, let's run through it. Those are our five topics. We don't have DMs this week. Uh uh thank you for adjusting to my schedule needs. We do have have DMs this week. Thank you for adjusting to my schedule needs. We do have, have you seen this shit? We're gonna close with it. It's harder that we do this remotely because some of the volume issues, but look, we're gonna make the best of it and just roll the dice.

This is the shit of the week. I hope you saw it. UFCKC this weekend Luke, whoah indeed. Chris Gutierrez in the hotel room looking out at the smokers down below and finds Carlos if we have that video, do you? It's some crazy shit. I'm creeping on them, but G is smoking, man. Look, look, why he smoking a cigarette? That is crazy. Look, that's some Vlad D. Dvoj shit right there. Also like, you know, I'm not trying to be like morbid, but he was with those jackets. They were doing something with a guy who had like

terminal cancer and he's sitting there just smoking cigarettes around him. I'm like, look, a lot of them are racist, so don't go. We got to move past that. Sorry. But no, I mean, he was the guy who had the better stamina. So like, is that not a thing? Like, should we not talk about that anymore?

Like, I know that some people, it doesn't matter. I mean, I've known like successful distance runners that that that smoked off bongs all the time. I can't imagine it's good for you, but. He seems to be OK about it, you know. All right. There we go. But that was some narc shit from Gutierrez. No, I mean, come on. I think he's like the rest of us.

Like, he's just blown away by it, you know. All right. Space brawl time of the week. Luke, watch the picture closely here. Who gives up the long run? I think he's like the rest of us like he's just blown away by it, you know. All right. Space brawl time of the week. Luke, watch the pitcher closely here who gives up the long ball. But something must have been said between the two teams while they were running the bases. Watch this pitcher. This MF. Oh, he waits till he rounds third.

Holy Jesus. You got jacked up right there. Damn. Okay. Thank you. Bro. You know what? He must have like,

did he hit a dinger? And then he must have been talking shit, running the bags. You know? Yes. So then he got, what was the, who was the pro wrestler who did the, he would like dive into people, Goldberg, right?

Yes, yes, he would spear them. Spear, that's it. I remember that from high school, he would spear people, yeah. Yeah, that's what that dude got speared. Speared, spear too, but not like Steiner's kid. Luke, you don't know anything about this. This this you don't know anything I'm talking about. Right. Rick Steiner's kid, Bron Brecker.

What's the guy's name? I have no fucking idea. I'm missing it in the moment. Bron Breaker. He's I've seen his spears. Look, he he folded some guy. I I show speed in half. You know what I'm saying? I do know who I show speed is.

Yeah, he was on, dude. That was a lavish turkey, like video montage with KSI. It was like a, that was kind of crazy, right? Yeah, a little much. Yeah, let's keep it going. Look, you know the transitioning from BJJ to MMA. You really got to work on striking technique to make that gap.

Dude, check this out. I've been working on my striking and I'm getting pretty good. I go high, high, low, high. Mix. Dude, check this out. I've been working on my striking, and I'm getting pretty good. I go high, high, low, high. Mix it up. Mix it up. Bro, what was that?

I'm shadow boxing. What are you talking about? I mean, look, you know, you've been in the gym, so you know, right? Well, you got to mix it up. Sometimes you just got to go for unorthodox techniques. Oh. All right, time for your fails of the week. Let's go to

the treadmill area. Oh no. Oh. Oh. Oh god. Look at this. He's gonna help. Oh boy. Here we go. What's what fucking three Stooges sketch is this? That's a Looney Tunes gym, Luke. Uh no judgment zone, okay? Are they, okay? Let's go to the wedding dance floor. You know this gimmick Luke when they announce you in on the wedding party and you do like a like a scheduled dance? Yeah, I mean this is for white trash but that's okay. But you gotta you know you gotta if you've had a few pops in the limo you gotta be careful alright? Oh Jesus. Oh, everyone wants to be the

dance floor hero, huh? Yeah. Yeah, watch this. Yeah, here we go. Yeah, why don't you go be the dance floor? Oh god, he hit her with the ghetto blaster, Luke. Damn. Oh Jesus. Dude. Dude, listen to me, everyone. Stop trying to be the hero at someone else's wedding. No one fucking likes you and no one's there for you. Stop it. Wow. You're actually right on that. Let's hit the bike ramp, I think.

Bike trail. OK, what? OK, OK. Oh, wow. All right. That's a do we do we. Did you pick out people that just don't have control of their equilibrium at all for this? OK, indeed. Let's go to the high jump pit, Luke. out people that just don't have control of their equilibrium at all for this? Okay. Indeed. Let's go to the high jump pit, Luke. You know, I spend a lot of times as a track and

field dad watching stuff like this. All right. Well, he's the worst guy I've ever seen in my life. He'll never walk again, unfortunately. You know what? And nothing of value was lost for this gentleman. He's terrible. Luke, don't they say that one man's trash is another man's treasure, right? Yeah, I've heard that. Well, some people put, you know, their mattress on the side of the road, but there might be some miles left in that mattress. You might want to. OK, OK.

I don't know whether an extraordinary murder or shit storm took place. Also, true story. I don't know if I've ever told you this BC when I was in college we were I mean I was poor you know I had no money. Sure there was one time we I dropped off a buddy of mine at his apartment and in the apartment complex and it was like when he's you know like cold to sack joints where you come back up and at the end of it someone had dumped their couch.

And at the end of it, someone had dumped their couch. I went and picked up old old Betty, brought her, brought her back to the apartment and we put her the, we put the furniture there. We had to Febreze that thing. Oh yeah. You know, for like weeks to get that thing clean, but we kept it. I mean, you might get a rash just, you know, automatically from the transfer of that. That's some gross shit. Wow, Luke, that was an incredible mattress.

Luke, you might have a future in politics after all. Let's listen in from AOC. And this isn't just about Republicans. We need a Democratic party that fights harder for us too. I can be that one that farts harder, yes. Yes. Listen, if they're like, we need you to fart harder, it's like, well, you came to the right place.

There you go. Luke, let's go to the mosh pit. We know you love this. Let's get some slow motion. Look at some of the, wow, look at that. Yeah, there's a lot of people that do a lot of standing around in the mosh pit and they get chewed up. You know, I really don't love the mosh pit set up, Luke. I mean, I like I've been in some concerts where it's been physical and rowdy, but I'm not about this life.

I mean, what are you doing here? What is happening? Did I not? Oh, they're donkey kicking. Oh, they're donkey kicking. Did I not tell oh, they're donkey kicking. Oh, they're donkey kicking. Did I not tell you about, I think it was like one or two corp shows ago where I saw the girl moshing in there, fist fighting everybody?

No, that's wild. Dude, she was in there fighting for her life and I was hopeful that she, my wife pointed her out, she was like, dude, look at this. And we saw, yeah, I mean, these are just some whites that are just. All right, I'm done with like, dude, look at this. And we saw, yeah, I mean, these, you know, these are just some whites that are just, right. I'm done with this. Yeah. I mean, it's still it's still

better than the, the viking rowing losers who deserve to be cattle prodded and deported to El Salvador for fucking doing one of these on the floor of the metal show. Indeed. Those the row boaters look, let's check in on this Airbnb, we get a little hot, we get a little tour of the place. Beautiful room, balcony into the jungle, bathtub, we were looking at jungle, nothing over there. I mean, he was in the thick of it.

Luke. He was, you know, he was doing one of these numbers like I do when I'm on the train only because I'm trying to hold on to something. You know what I mean? Luke, I got on the wrong train last week and ended up in Newark pen. I mean, I deserve that Karma. Damn it. You're an idiot.

I'm not. Is that happen again? It just was it was on this side and I went to this side because the one the guy that worked there gave me like a confusing answer to my question and I kind of wasn't paying attention. Oh my God. Anyway, we got to survive those moments. I looked you hear about Mike.

Let's look at this. All right. Let he who's without sin cast the first stone. You understand? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, look, it's you know, let he who's without sin cast the first stone. You understand? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Luke, it's testy's time. Let's go to the NYC subway. Check out that man's satchel. Is that is that Long Island Luke's dad? Yeah. That would be so on brand if mister Nocena was rocking that backpack. That'd be unbelievable. Wow. Okay. Um let's keep the nut influence rolling here. No, Sita was rocking that backpack. The unbelievable. Wow.

OK, let's keep the nut influence rolling here. You know, those in packets. Yeah, they don't. They're not just for your mouth. Watch this. You know, we have been that video on too long. And I don't know. I don't know if I've ever said this before, but until this video, I'm like, wow, I'm really glad I'm circumcised. This is, uh, that was terrible.

Let's watch your nuts at the skateboard park too, Luke. Oh, God. Oh, you fucking. He's not he's not fathering children, Luke. It's not going to happen. It's for the best. It's for the. Ah, but look, you know, some people have a harder scroll, apparently through training.

So I don't. harder to do a harder scroll Alright, let's go to the Alright, let's go to the uh let's go to the uh wedding jump rope. Luke, you ever see people, you know, at the at the dance floor, they they get after it a little too hard. Now, it's gonna get in there. Oh, he turned her into a stepping stool. Luke, literally, he was smashing her like grapes out of Vineyard, you know what I mean? Oh my god. Alright, well, let's play musical chairs, but don't play musical chairs with Bigsby. Luke, watch this.

All right. Like, OK. Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, so low. Some yoke goes through the shit. Wow. That was so good. Wow. She knocked out to walk a whole lot. Luke, we love political memes on the show. I think let's check out this one. All right. That's that's so.

I don't know if that's pretty good. Yeah. OK, here we go. You hear about the Turkish soccer fan. Luke. Watch this. They are. Dude. The Turks are different about this shit. He's going to throw this. Look at this. Dude, I've told the story a million times. I was in Istanbul when Fenerbahce played was a Besiktas or Galatasaray. God. Now I can't even remember that part anymore.

It didn't matter. It was the rivals. I saw a motherfucker chasing another one with a donor kebab sword, The Fenerbahce he played was a Beshiktas or Galatasaray. Now I can't even remember that part anymore. It didn't matter. It was the rivals. I saw a motherfucker chasing another one with a donor kebab sword, bro. A donor kebab sword. Let's go in third world on that ass. Holy crap. Luke, you might love this one, too. It's a tribute.

Ah, ah, call me, call me, call me, call me. Call me! Call me! Call me! Call me! It's certainly not in good taste. Certainly not in good taste, Luke. We are gonna get fired. We're gonna get fired. Alright, let's see, let's compare basketball form and the evolution of it through the years. My bird. Jordan. Colt. What happened? My bird! Jordan!

Cool! What happened? Oh my god! It's relatable, you know, you can certainly... Yep, got that. Alright, we got one more for you, Luke. Okay? Alright, we're gonna get fired. Well, let's go out in a blaze of glory. Here we go. Who wants a fajita? What was that? I don't think we can play it a second time but that's the **** of the week, Luke. Oh. Dude, that that is

actually one of your spicier batches. Yeah, yeah. I had I had parameters I had to work with. I couldn't run ones with volume. That was a that was a spicy batch. I give that one an A minus. That's a spot. Yeah. Wow. Just you just just the way it hits. They plus a plus if we lose our jobs, you know. Good point. Good point.

All right. Thank you folks for staying with us. Thank you so much. Thank you guys for moving the time of this show to get my schedule taken care of. Long Island Luke, thank you for your service as well. What should you say to the people here? It's Monday at 11, 10 a.m. right now, or sorry, 1, 10 p.m. right now.

So, you know, my bet breakdown's probably coming out in a few hours, tune in to that. Head on over to the main card minute. That's what we're talking about. Maybe some big B reps later. Maybe, maybe. All right. Also like the show, please. You can follow us on social media. Subscribe to what we got going on. Let's let's take it to the next level. Okay. Follow our YouTube kickoff channel spin off channels as well. Right there. Luke Thomas, happy birthday to the toques. Much love to the family.

Anything else you want to bestow upon these people? No, glad you guys could tune in. Thank you so much. Yeah, we'll be in studio Friday. Let's go. Let's go. Big weekend of boxing as well. Let's check it out. For everyone, we love you. Take care of yourselves. We're out of here.