MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC RECAP: Holloway vs. Rodriguez | Bellator 271 Recap | David Benavidez | EP 229

Episode Date: November 15, 2021

On episode 229 of Morning Kombat Luke and Brian are back to recap a crazy weekend in combat sports. The boys start off by recapping Max Holloway's win over Yair Rodriguez in an action-packed battle. Next up the guys recap the biggest matchups on the Bellator 271 card and discuss David Benavidez's win over Kyrone Davis. Should Benavidez be next for Canelo? (5:45) - Max Holloway vs. Yair Rodriguez (34:20) - Cynthia Calvillo (42:30) - Cris Cyborg (52:40) - Aaron Pico Wins (59:45) - Benavidez, Munguia... Canelo? (71:25) - Dm's from Donks Morning Kombat’ is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts.    For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell. This is Morning Combat. Well, hello there, everybody. It is the 15th. We're halfway through the month of November 2021. and it's time to start your Monday the only way that it matters it's with MK hi everyone welcome to morning combat I am one half of your

hosting duo my name is Luke Thomas I'm from CBS sports and uh I'm in the capital Los Estados Unidos right here in Washington DC we are joined by the viceroy of Connecticut he was once king but then Glover became the belt holder, and so we had to bump him down a little bit. I apologize, but he is here in all parts. It's Brian Campbell. What's up, dude? Did you just compare me to Rune Hako of the Trade Federation from episode one? Yes, and all those dudes all die the most fucking ignoble, sad death,

so I'm sorry about that, but yes. Hi, BC. How are you? That's the one thing George Lucas did not steal from dune or kurosawa thank you george i'm doing good luke i'm washed as shit as you already know uh went to the patriots game yesterday with my son and his friends and uh you know did a little old man day drinking in the parking lot good times great oldies your boy woke up washed his shit thank you very much well I'm glad you got a chance to go. We have a lot to get to today. Max versus Yair was way better than a lot of us expected.

We'll talk about that. We have some Bellator Cyborg results. We'll talk about that as well. Plus, David Benavidez putting on a bit of a show in his hometown of Phoenix, Arizona. So, first things first, if you're watching on YouTube, thumbs up on the video. Hit subscribe. If you're listening on the audio podcast, do us a solid. especially if it's Apple, leave us a five-star review. I don't know where it is with us bribing you to help us scam the algorithm, but I am told the next time we get in the studio, we'll probably figure that part out.

Yeah, this seems like a very empty and broken promise. Like when OJ said he's going to dedicate the rest of his life to find the real killers, Luke. Yes. Or when we promised that we had a very easy way for you to get cash on the weekend. Either one of those. Probably not that sincere. Also, BC, we have merch. In fact, I'm wearing some of our popular merch.

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You can get a lot of stupid faces over at MorningCombat.store. Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can. All right. Wow. Look, you sound washed, too. This is great. No, you're worse than me.

You woke up being like, I feel like death. I just had a sick kid yesterday. I'm not so bad. Dude, I also cleaned the gutters on Saturday, and the ground was wet, and the ladder slipped, and I fell about five feet, hit my face on it, pulled my hamstring on the way down. I mean, it could not be sadder, what I feel like right now, Luke. Well, I am very sorry to hear that. They're asking us if we have a certain read. I don't have any information on it, so I'm not going to do it.

So we're just going to leave it at that. Oh, wait, do I? No, I don't think I do. I don't have any information on it, so I'm not going to do it. So we're just going to leave it at that. Oh, wait. Do I? No, I don't think I do. I don't think I do. I don't. Luke Thomas reaction here. You know, they want me to do something.

I don't have that information, so I can't do the read they want me to do. Also, what you can do is, beyond that, you can go to Showtime. We warned you. There was David Benavides. There was Bellator. There was a lot this weekend. You still have more time. You can go to Showtime.com and get a 30-day free trial. like it you can keep it if not you can bounce bc what's the update on watching

all of the godfathers on the showtime app have you finished with that i finished one and two i have not tackled three yet i did carlito's way i i took a little detour down uh right now on amazon prime you can rent pacino's entire collection for free uh so i'm right now in the midst of dog day afternoon i've got cruising coming up next and justice for all i'm really going all pacino all the time i don't know why luke probably because he's the best actor of our lifetime i'm probably right he's pretty goddamn good hard to find a movie where he has sucked in you know what i mean uh okay so with that b, BC, I believe... Can't say the same about Jasmine St. Clair, though, right? I guess not.

Okay. With that out of the way, BC, I believe we can get right to the show if you're ready. Yeah, I love this show, Luke. This is the only reason I got up today. I love it. All right. Well, Jesus, that's sad, but also good at the same time. I'm glad you're awake. All right, BC, let's start with the UFC if we can. Topic number one, Max Holloway versus Jair Rodriguez. I think even if we had a high expectation, I think for most people, this wildly exceeded expectations. BC, we'll start with you. Did Max prove, because I had some folks who I think, you know, forthrightly were asking some good questions about it on Saturday night.

Did Max prove that he still has a lead on the division or that the pack is closer to taking over him than we once thought? Remember, only 29 years of age. Yeah, I was a little bit surprised to see some of that, you know, minority of of this is max slipping a little bit i think that the real true moral of the story was the opposite that yair rodriguez after two years off made a significant leap forward not to the point of being a complete complete fighter where you're like he's gonna fight for the title tomorrow but this was a loss for yair that did nothing i think but but turned out to a win to his reputation to so many elements about him that we rightfully had questions coming in. Yes, he puts everything he has into nearly every strike, but there was a resolve, a focus.

There was some ironing out of his craft a bit. I mean, this was a title-level performance from Yair Rodriguez, and I think opened the door to the true possibilities of the second half of his career if he continues to improve his game and continues to be this dangerous. Luke, I did the MK

post-analysis on this because I am going away on Friday on vacation and I could not stop harping on Max's chin, I think as we all should now should we be a little bit concerned that that Max uh took this much well I think Yair came for the knockout and I think Max made the right adjustments off of that but if Max didn't have that next level all-time great chin and ability to you know not show the damage and keep coming forward

you know this would have been a stoppage in the first half of this fight. I think Yair was that zoned in. Can he carry out a full game plan that's flawless at the super elite level? Not yet. But Luke, tell me if I'm wrong. I have nothing but great to say about how Max adjusted to this and won the fight. And I think the fuel for that is everything great that I saw at Jair Rodriguez. Yeah, I mean, I definitely feel like there's something to be said

about the rest of the featherweight division beginning to catch up a little bit. I don't think that's in any way unfair or inappropriate. In part, even if you, I mean, first of all, you're absolutely right. Jair Rodriguez did nothing but raise his stock with this I know he's probably disappointed with a loss and it was some brutal loss his foot I even went back and looked I mean as soon as the third round started you could see it was it was a complete disaster and god knows whether it was from a check or something else so uh but you're right he raised his his stock here I thought his overall performance was

highly commendable he pushed Max in ways that I don't think another 145-er kind of has. I mean, Volkanovski took rounds from him, but put a beating on him a little bit. Not like this. This has been a while. I mean, this is the most difficult fight for him in terms of damage since the Poirier fight, and that was up a weight class, right? I mean, that was worse than this one, too, for sure. But still, you get the idea.

Like, you know, Yair came to win and came to fight and so I think you're right after once once he hits his 30s I think he's going to put a damage on people the thing about it is for me is Max's style now here's the good part for Max again without if you take away the uh the fight at 155 against Poirier right so we're talking about just his featherweight campaign. I mean, this dude hasn't lost since the Conor McGregor fight of 2013. At 145, his run at the near or at the top of it, I think is still very much intact. I don't think there's any other contender right now who can beat him to move ahead in the line. What I will say though is BC, while I still think this is going to be the Max and Alex show, and we'll see how that plays out in just a second. We'll talk about it. Dude, Max takes a lot of punishment, a lot of punishment. I mean, we knew this ahead of time.

His strikes of sore per minute are at nearly 4.7. He's eating almost five strikes absorbed a minute, man. I'm telling you at 29, he's getting away with it with it but dude by the time he's 33 34 it's not gonna be like this and maybe even sooner than that to jump in real quick i do agree with the sentiment that when his chin goes it's gonna go i don't know if it's gonna be as drastic off the cliff as a late career chuck liddell but when it goes it's gonna go i think we agree with that but do you believe that max is taking too much punishment in general or that he just took too much punishment in this fight because if I'm going to point to one criticism of Max's I think maybe he he underestimated Yair I think he thought he was going to be able to stand right in front of

him you know swivel out of the way land big shots use the volume like you did to Cater I mean look he's coming off Luke a BDE performance an all time, just complete swallow shutout of Calvin catered domination record setting where I think, you know, I mentioned on the post fight recap that I thought in the second round, I'm starting to get a little nervous. Is Max going to run into something that he can't, that he can't shake off. Do you feel it's more than just this fight that this narrative is, is, is going in that direction? These are all good points. What I would say in response is that in general, he takes too much damage.

It can't just be that the Poirier and Rodriguez, and maybe like one other two fights or whatever, or what make these numbers. What I would say is when you get to a five rounder like this, number one, five round fight versus three. And then two, the five rounder is a situation where the opponent

is taking rounds from him by not again not the Volkanovsky sort of point fighting thing but like you know actually standing in the pocket with him and doing just fucking damage because what Max does is Max is like okay you want to meet in the middle let's meet in the effing middle and then he just sort of just takes what the opponents can give him but then he is so consistent with the offense that he has back so it doesn't cost him as much fight to fight. There can be obviously disparities in the length of the fight and then the kind of style that the opponent employs. But in general, in general, it takes too much. This was just one case where you saw it after five rounds, you're like, Jesus, dude, this was really a lot of abuse. And at 29 years old, people can just

look the other way I just you know that that day is going to come where the kind of beating that someone like Yair puts on him is going to be the decider who wins and who loses it just wasn't on Saturday still uh BC the thing I'll point out about Max is I think you're right I don't know took him lightly I don't know but remember he could be yes that could very well be because remember when he said he and his team they didn't have to take this fight. After beating Cater, they could have waited for Volkanovski. They chose to take this.

So I think that they thought this was a very manageable, or it was going to be much more manageable than what it ended up being. But Yair really showing a lot of gears. Dude, Yair Rodriguez's offense, when it's on the terms that he likes to employ, so like a distance kind of kicking game or you know in close and then throwing all manner of bizarre spinning attacks dude he is a threat his guard is also a threat his up kicks are a threat when his offense is dialed in it is terrifying it is very very good he just has a few pieces he needs to build around it so that he can keep putting the

fight on those terms rather than being taken out of it. Right, and a key, a real key to this fight were I thought the adjustments that Max made. I also think when you look at Max as a whole, to be that offensively, I was going to say promiscuous, I think more prolific, you've got to stand close to the danger. And he took big bombs against Ortega as well, but his volume was able to wear down Ortega's face.

So I think there were points in this, specifically the second round, where Max looked at it as, okay, Yair's more of a live dog in this than I thought. He's more of a danger here. But can his face hold up because it was already showing legit damage in round two? And can his gas tank hold up? And as much as we can say you know max you got to be careful against these big time sluggers when you're not a one punch knockout guy and max isn't to take this kind of damage i also think luke he looked at it as okay this guy's red hot in rounds one and two but he will fade again what made this fight so great along with the the warrior spirit of both is that Yair not

only didn't fade he really turned it up a notch in round five we had the best boxer in the UFC willingly hold uh Yair in the clinch for like the final 30 seconds of round five when have you ever seen that from Max Luke against Poirier you know what I mean yeah I guess you're right I guess you're right that's the other one right well he would clinch at certain times when he would get his bell rung and he would just be forced to you know find a port in the storm yeah I mean dude I think maybe offensively Max is the best boxer in them and in the UFC I mean that's debatable but he's certainly in the top three top five kind of space but, to your point, like the secret of the ingredient is that he just has an alarming pain threshold, right? Go to the leg kicks.

Dana White was saying post-fight, he was just walking around backstage like nothing happened. Like, dude, I saw a video of the, the guy's a weirdo, but I follow the CEO, or I went to his page anyway, of Bang Energy. Because he had a video with Colby. Yeah, this guy's a total maniac. But he had a video with Colby like the day after the fight with Kamaru and he was like how are you feeling Colby? And Colby's face is like super fucked up. And he's like I'm feeling great

never better. And then they're walking somewhere and he's like visibly limping. He looked like shit. He looked like me. You're waking up after a slice of cheesecake and a Michelob Ultra, right? That kind of a thing. But you get my point.

Dude, Max is a fucking, I just don't even understand how he can take this punishment. And then on top of it, when you add in the head trauma, the only reason I want to bring it up is because, one, dude, like, Max is just one of the best guys to cover in the sport. I love that he's still at the top of this division. Let's talk about the Alex fight.

It's just that there's a lot made, and they go to it every time on the broadcast. Like, oh, Max doesn't do hard sparring anymore, which is nothing but good news. We only want him to be around for as long as possible and to have all of his mental faculties in place. But if you're not going to do hard sparring and then fights like these, like, dude, I don't know how much of an improvement overall to health it is that's still a shitload of damage so yeah but look i do believe there are very now look the poirier fight is an aberration because it was one weight class up and dustin poirier like max is a non-title pound for pound top 10 stalwart right right now i mean he's among the best in the damn sport so i think overall though to be fair there aren't a lot of featherweights

that could do what yair did on saturday keep up that five round pace and mac match max be that dangerous where every strike he was throwing it had knockout you know intention and have enough variety of his game and persevere through to go down the stretch of that fight, no matter how you scored it. And I'd like to get into that shortly and actually damage Max's face. I mean, look, as much as we can say, is this the turnaround for Max at 29 where they're catching up? Okay, cool. But Luke, how many others could put out that performance? Like I love a guy like a Shane Burgos, for example, right? Very good featherweight. Great win over Billy Q. I don't think he could stand there for five rounds against Max and put

on that kind of damage at that kind of pace and not you know, I think we saw a breakout performance from Yair in defeat where enough where I'm going to pause the extra care and concern about is Max still that guy? Because he was still that guy in January against Cater. And I think if you

put him in there with Volkanovski, it's going to be a different fight anyway. It's going to be more of a chess match. It's not going to be a go-to-war. There aren't many featherweights that could do that. Totally. I 100% agree on every point. I would point out that Giga Chikadze could be an interesting name that we see coming.

He can do serious damage on the feet. We'll see what happens with that. But, of course, here's the other part about Max, and this is why Max is so special. How about those takedowns? I in the year the second if not that the third round he started rolling them out he had like a bit of a blast double turning the corner you know Max is not just winning because he's tough and he has good boxing I actually feel like what this fight showed was yes he's tough and he has good boxing but also a yeah you're

better gas tank than I thought he was gonna have I thought after all those kicks in the first round he was going to fade. He didn't. But getting back to Max, he had the kind of adjustments where sometimes it was just defensive enough to hold on in the fifth. Or some of the grappling that he used to go to where he passed him out, took the back, held it on the ground for a little while. You know, Max showing a lot of different gears here that just explains to you why even a Yair who looked that good still couldn't get past a Max Holloway at age 29 who was a man in full I want to stay here because we have no reason to rush Luke plus this is the topics that most of our you know our audience yearns for I want to ask you how to define what makes Max special because you know there are a lot of people

here who think I just started watching MMA last year. And, you know, they can go fuck the hell off, Luke. Okay, right? But, you know, I had a particularly long stretch of sort of picking or betting against Max through his run up the ranks, through winning the title. Where, you know, I looked at him as a high volume, not a knockout guy who's tough as shit. But what I missed along the way were some of those intangibles and certainly the IQ and I think what won him this fight was the adjustments was all those slight subtle little things that make him super smart how do you sort of like put into words you know how Max does overcome his deficiencies and the fact that, I mean, are they just intangibles or is it just brains?

Because there were so many tiny moments in this fight where he just made the perfect adjustment to sort of snuff out these potential runs that Yair was about to go on. Yeah, I haven't looked at this fight in grand detail. I only saw it the one time we were watching it live. And so I actually went back and watched a little bit of the highlights. You got 48 more in front of you, Luke, okay? I got a full set of reviews coming.

But if you just look at the Jose Aldo fight, it's sort of a real key example. What he does is not like... I'll give you... Here's a perfect example. So he fought Jose Aldo twice. Both fights get stopped before the end of the third, I think, if memory serves. Or maybe one went into the fourth, I think, if memory serves.

Or maybe one went into the fourth, but right around that close to the 15-minute mark. But one of the big differences between the first Max-Jose Aldo fight and the second was that if you watch the first one, he circles Jose one way to turn him, and then the other fight he circles the exact opposite way to turn him the other way. Now that doesn't necessarily change all of the attacks some of them can be the same obviously you're gonna throw a jab no matter what but he came out one way and set this established rhythm and pace and style and then came out the second time and then flipped it on its head and I don't know that Jose I don't say because of that only he never recovered but what I just mean to say is Mach Max has what I would call modular striking he has things he is better at than others he has some tendencies

but if he needs to switch stances or circle in a direction or have a certain kind of combo built in just the right way for a particular opponent he can just add the pieces and fit it on exactly how he needs it and then employ it once he gauges the distance and everything else. You add into that, you're right, he is high volume. You're right, he can take a shitload of damage and stay in that space. He has amazing cardio. What he basically does with that high volume and that modular striking is he finds your openings and then he knocks on the door so frequently, he finds the answer to it with the key pretty quickly. And then once he does, he just floods it. And there's not a lot of guys who can hang with him as a consequence. Yair being able to go as long as he did, and then to put on a rally in the fifth,

that is very unusual for Max. Usually Max's fifth round is by far better than his first. This is the opposite in that case. He actually dominated, or at least did his best work in that middle space. But that's why I think he's the best, or at least not one of the best. Well, he is one of the best. But that's what makes him special is what you really asked, right? He has very modular striking.

Any stance, any direction, any combination, more or less he can work with it. And if you notice, even between the first and second Volkanovski fights, he even changed his stance. There's just not a lot of guys who can make those kinds of changes either in a fight or between them and he may not utilize his ground game you know in most key situations because he doesn't need to but I mean his adjustments on the ground and transitions I mean it was just lightning fast and and elite we got to see a lot of what makes Max great in this fight but Luke I did want to not go too much further before getting into the scoring.

You know, there's no lingering stank at all from this fight that it was controversial or even really that it was disputed. But I did spend some time on the MKIA for this saying there is an opening, I think, to make a case for Yair rodriguez to either have have gotten a better shake on the scorecards or even to be fair even though i agree it does not tell the story of the fight to have pulled off a sort of backdoor decision and look before anybody

because i got a lot of you know feedback and hate from that saying you know bc i've got good lord why couldn't we have gotten Luke on that post-fight MK show? Because you couldn't score a fight, you know, if you were the only one in the building and everyone took your word for it. And I think people do have to realize again, because I do think most people at home are cracking the beer, scoring in their head, kind of whatever. Fights are never scored pride style at the end of who you thought got the better of it because guess what max got the better of this fight he overall did the work fights are scored round by round whether it's boxing or mma as if they're individual fights and many times you can get a

potential score that does not tell the actual story of the fight luke how did you score each individual round because i went back and watched it and the only amendment i will make to my scoring with the full acknowledgement that three to four of these rounds were very close is that i will take a step back from the idea that round three could be a 10-8 i do think upon second watch 10-9 is very secure how did you score this one up and down yeah i did not score around 3 10 8 uh you thought at 3 30 of the round when Max had mount you were like oh shit this is headed in a terrible direction but you know it wasn't too terrible all things considered and then you ever got back to his feet and and and you know boxed Max Max up a little bit for parts of that round so Max won round three but

I'm just saying I don don't think, for me, for me, I don't think it's a 10-8. I had rounds two, three, and four for Max. I had one and five for Yair. So I had it 48-47 Max. I think overall he did the better work. That's fair. In a very close fight in which some rounds you're, especially round two,

which I thought was the swing round, you're weighing Max's step up in volume against the damage of Yair, particularly those leg strikes, round two which i thought was the swing round you're weighing max's step up in volume against the damage of a year particularly those leg strikes and there were many of them that sometimes we don't score mentally the same level as a jab or a hook or all that but i got a lot of issues first of all with anyone looking at this and saying you know that that there's no there's no case for yair winning this i mean guys again it's math equation. It's not a who did your eye test tell you won. It's simply a math equation. And I didn't like the three judges scoring on this, Luke.

And here's what I mean by that. Particularly Judge Saldamato, who had it four rounds to one for Max, gave Max all four, one through four of the first four rounds, which I thought was more than generous. Now, I, in the end, scored, you know, like I mentioned, I scored one, two, and five for Yair. And I'm saying that those are very close. But look, two of the three judges gave Max the first round. I don't see that. And if one didn't, it would have been a split decision. And also round two, which I gave to Yair, and I get I'm in the minority, although I rewatched it and still feel secure of that,

two of the three judges gave that to Max as well. Do you think it's just a preference issue? Or do you look back and see two of the three judges giving the first to Max and saying they missed it, and then you had a commentary team that was very pro-Max. I don't think it was planned. I think that's just the way they saw it. Do you look at scoring three to two for a year as someone you know shouldn't be in the chair that in the

in the damn chair they are yeah i don't i don't see a three two score for your year as disqualifying if that's what you're asking like i don't think it's so crazy that someone could be like oh what the fuck but i don't i could not give you give Yair, and I realize it works piece by piece, but I'm just saying, just thinking back on what I saw, I could not give Yair both rounds one and two. I couldn't do it. Could I give him round one? I sort of look at giving Max round one the same way I look at giving Yair

all, or three rounds to win. Like, you could do it. It's probably three rounds to win. You could do it. It's probably not the right call. You could get away with it. So that's how I would view it. I think we would agree, right? One and five, Yair. Three and four, Max.

Two is sort of where you're like, what do we do with this one? And that's the one I came down for, Max. Had the two of the three judges not given the first to Max, it would have been a split decision win for Max. And I think had that been the case, this would have not been an argument. This would have been, okay, close fight. Max overall did the better work, but three to two. And if you did have it for Yair, I think because of that Sal D'Amato score, it makes it look more of a reach to go out and give these rounds to Yair. But again, upon rewatch, I don't think there's a question in round one. In round two, there is a severe case for him.

There just was, Luke. And anyone saying, you know, BC, how could you score round five for Yair? Well, all three judges did, and Luke Thomas. I mean, God, rewatch that one. That one's an easy one. Yeah, round five, I don't mind giving to Yair. But what I would say is, for folks who are wondering about the integrity of the result or how could you get to whatever result you came to what i would say is

judge it by pride or one standards right so judge the fight as a whole sometimes when you have a close fight you know you score the by the 10-9 must system you're like well the rightful winner won because they round they won x rounds and the other fighter won the y rounds and i understand that but then you're like we had judges from another direction. Maybe we get a different result. If you get the same result from two different scoring criteria, the one system or the 10, nine must system probably tells you the right guy one.

And to me, I would also score this about four max under the pride slash one system of judging a fight as a whole. So that's why I think the right guy. But look, you do acknowledge that there are many a fight in combat sports where the final score just doesn't tell it because in a 10-9 must system, unless you're going to go to 10-8, a 10-9 round could be close to full domination

and it could also be a pick-em. So, you know, it's... You could have a fight where, I mean, you know, a boxing match where the winning fighter gets all 120 possible points right right if you're giving them all 12 rounds and all those rounds could be close all those rounds could be close it's just that the one person edged enough on all the judges that's unusual to see something like that but you know theoretically is it possible absolutely you can see why disparities in scores and that michaela mayor fight two fridays ago we just saw it in that Michaela Mayer fight two Fridays ago. We just saw that same thing. She won, you know, 12 to nothing, 11 to one against Hamadouche or whatever.

What was the girl's name? I forgot the chick's name, but she fought her heart out. It would look like a 50-50 fight, but, you know, one's getting the best of it at the end of the day. But shout out to Yair. His stock gets raised. Luke, where does each guy go next? The people want to hear your take, unless you've already put multiple videos on your personal channel about this. I have not done that, although I should, just to piss you off.

But this is the part I'm just not sure what to say about. For Yair, let's see him heal, and then I think anyone in the top five, to me, is totally reasonable at that point, right? So we'll see what happens then. Even top three, really. I don't think this was a qualifying performance for Yair. two or two years off to come a little like that incredible people want ortega bro people want yair versus ortega and i would do a little cream get on top i mean i would say about that dude but brian y'all are gonna shorten brian ortega's fucking career man no he

will no he will luke okay him and ellie very well i mean i'm not saying that ortega versus rodriguez isn't the fight to make it so that's a sensational fight but they're just putting this guy through the wood chipper at this point um okay here's the part that is a little more interesting for me bc which is obviously if someone is campaigning for a mcgregor fight you understand the basics of why like there's a lot money, there's a lot of notoriety. In the case of Max, it would be a revenge fight if he could win. You get the idea. But at the same time, don't you find it a little strange with how much he has gone to it, given he was already guaranteed a title shot, he took this fight when he didn't need to, he wins it, and there's still a lot of McGregor talk. Here's what I mean, BC. It's almost as if, even if he wins it and there's still a lot of McGregor talk here's what I mean BC it's almost

as if even if he wins the belt Max is eyeing a future outside of featherweight sooner rather than later true or false I would agree with that and it's not that it's a you know a criminal move to make Max Conor next it's a rematch that we all feel like is inevitable I just think of the timing and the injuries to Conor and the doubt right now about his future. I sort of knee jerk, look at that fight and go, Max is going to stop an exhausted Conor in the fourth round. You know what I mean? And, and, and I saw Conor, of course, as everyone did pacing in front of the TV and we can criticize his cable management, the size of his TV for the money he makes and just his overall rabidness. Although I do like when Conor's rabid, but Luke, I, if they did that, it's not that you'd go, I don't get it.

I just think Nate Diaz is the fight for Conor. But look, dude, you know, the more I do the math, I just keep coming back to Max Alex III, Luke. Don't we want to know for sure who the best featherweight in the world is? And hasn't Max done enough in the last two fights, mixed, added in, combined with the second Volkanovski fight to show you that there's just nobody else more deserving? There's nobody else at the moment right now

who you really could favor over Alex, potentially, depending on your stance. I mean, I thought Max beat Alex in the second one. You did originally. You changed upon multiple rewatches. But that is as good of a fight as you could make i don't want to hear anyone say the first two were boring because you you know you don't get it then right i mean that they were brilliant those first two so um

do it what what stop it look what the hell is stopping them volkanovsky saying i don't need to do it because i beat him twice what would stop them? No, they'll do it now. Volkanovski has to face this down. Period. Sorry. Like I said, Patrycki Freyde, enjoy the day he beat Peter Peter, beat Aquile, enjoy the moment being champion. And he's hitting Russian cops in the airports apparently. But you're going to have to see who's been Nurmagomedov one day.

And that's going to be a very – he might win. MMA is crazy. But in all likelihood, that's probably going to get transferred over. But we'll see what happens between Max and Alex. But I'm just... You're not going to find rivalries this special in MMA that often, where you can make a case that either guy won either of those fights, and a third time, you just don't know who's going to win. That is highly, highly unusual.

Those guys dominate 145. I don't know for how much to win. That is highly, highly unusual. Those guys dominate 145. I don't know for how much longer, but they dominate 145, and they have to do it. They have to have the showdown for their legacy, for this division, for that title, for everything. There has to be a third fight. A big reason why I want that third fight is I agree with you that Max is long-term headed toward big money fights at 155 against there's many names that you would probably love to see him at now is he putting himself more in a potential to take damage yeah he's gonna have to adjust his style a bit be the volume striker but not walk into it

but that's sort of why I want this Volkanovski fight I want to know for sure if we should start wondering if there's closure now for the end of Max's featherweight run because if he loses a third time to Volkanovski not only does Alex really make a leap toward like legit you know one of the all-time greats particularly specifically for that division but you know he's gonna he's on an insane run he beats a Max a third freaking time are you kidding me but I think that Luke would be the clean okay Max great run now let's do the Conor fight now let's consider a Poirier rematch now let's see if you can get in line and actually make a run at this lightweight title all right let's move to topic number two if we can here we'll stay on that card we could talk about the fight here in just a second but I really want to know your thoughts on this part too

so Andrea Lee put a beating uh really you know, actually, I've seen worse beatings. But she was, I'll say this. She was in the process. How about that? In the process of putting on a beating on an old Cynthia Calvillo on the main card of this event. Let's talk about this first. So, Cynthia says, fucking no mas between the second and third round. Now, she might have had a broken face. But the fight was starting to go like this pretty badly.

And the weird part was Cynthia just looked languid out of it. Not really all there. Her punches were slow. They were barely landed with any authority. That was hardly the best performance from her, but that could also just be entirely due to Andrea Lee. Andrea Lee, whatever you want to say. bc make sense of this for me any issue with her calling it off in the second and third round no no look this was actually on the prelim card not the main card and it was oh my mistake i apologize heavy battle in which they both bloodied the nose of each other

and while you know the story kind of should be kgb kind of making a move in this division that isn't all that stacked. No, the story of Cynthia Calvillo, mostly, Luke, because I finally sent you that video that you hadn't seen where Dana did go on that rant and compare a rising Calvillo back in the day, saying, I haven't seen a spirit like this since Conor and Rousey. Now, you know, you don't want to, you don't want to, it sucks that that's lingering over Calvillo. But look, Luke, that's three losses in a row she's 34 years old she's been fighting good fighters but but not you know not all-time great killers i mean i mean she lost to shukajian andraja now lee i look for

this division they're they're super elite andraja obviously a former champion one division below but luke something changed once calvillo was unable to consistently make 115. I feel like whatever was special about her volume striking, and you mentioned to me that she used to be a much more aggressive grappler, and now she's just sort of following her opponents around. I've got no issue with her and on the corner's advice not coming back out because she was flat and really only going to get punched in the face a bunch more probably en route to a decision loss but there's a lot of explaining to do for Calvillo and her team you know in terms of what's next for her can they go back in the lab and really reinvent her is there still that much time she's had injuries I mentioned you know she

had a sort of go up to 125 because she couldn't make that anymore. Not only sort of comically is she not what Dana once claimed her to be, but Luke, I've got legitimate questions about who she actually is moving forward. I mean, is it this drastic where you look at switching a camp and breaking glass in case of emergency and kind of just completely going all in on one more run because there's no Christmas to her. She's never been a big power puncher to begin with, but she's just following her opponents around looking for that counter right hand, and it's just not there.

Yeah, to me, her development has gotten all fucked up, and I don't know exactly where that really started. I don't know because she was originally with Alpha Male, and and then she was over to aka and now I think she's in Vegas and something's gone wrong I'm not blaming the camps it could be her changing has made the camps just try to catch up with the other one and so the development didn't happen the way it was supposed to it's one of the reasons why sometimes sticking with a team for a long time before making any switches late can be really important because it doesn't disrupt the overall development process. Here's why I believe that her development has gotten fucked up. One, just the eye test, dude. Cynthia just doesn't look the way she used

to. Now, part of that's probably the weight class. I don't think 125 is for her. There is no 120 weight class, but 115, she's much more of a physical threat than she is at 125. That's the first problem. BC, if you look at some of her wins, first of all, she got to the UFC after her fourth fight was in the UFC. So the other part is she got to the UFC way too early. And I know she was a waitress at Cheesecake Factory. You got to go make money, but careful what you wish for, man, because once you get there, to stick around is going to be very difficult.

But let me read you some of her wins before the losing streak. You would say in the UFC, Amanda Cooper, Pearl Gonzalez, Courtney Casey, Jessica Iyer, some of that good name. Now, you'd say there are some recognizable names in there, but not some super elite names in there, right? Courtney Casey, I think, had a 9-9 record heading into this weekend's bout. She's a good fighter, but, you know, uneven in her skill set. Jessica Ai, probably the best of them. If you said that, you're like, oh, well, I get it. Now she's fighting the Chukagians and the Andrages and the Lees of the division.

No wonder she's losing. She's just having a step up in competition. I think that's part of it, BC. But remember, in her sixth fight, in her sixth fight, she beat Joanne Calderwood. Now, Calderwood had missed weight for that bout, so that was not necessarily her best showing. But in your sixth bout, you're giving it to Joanne Calderwood, and she won by unanimous decision. To me, you had the ingredients of somebody pretty special there. Somewhere along the way, pandemic way pandemic camp change weight class change it just hasn't come together if i'm her i'm going to be re-evaluating how possible is it for me to

revisit 115 pounds under the guys or guys i should say under the tutelage and the observation of a certified nutritionist or somebody who really knows what they're doing getting you back down to that weight and then reinvesting in the grappling and taking a big step back, I would actually argue, in what kind of fighters you're fighting at this point. Her development's not done. Everything is headed in the wrong direction. It's time for a change.

While I do agree that maybe it was a little bit too much too soon, she almost became a victim of her success in the fact that she won five fights in the same year in 2017, including her first four UFC. So she had this sort of Kevin Holland, Hamzat Chamaev type, oh my God, this meteor is, you know, what is this? But look, it goes a little deeper. She got an amateur win over Aspen Ladd. And even in her first few fights before the UFC, she beat Jillian Robertson. She beat Montana De La Rosa.

So she was fighting pretty damn decent competition. And oh, by the way, Luke, although she lost the decision to Esparza, she fought to a majority draw with Marina Rodriguez before this losing streak. So there were times that she was, I don't think it was, she just stepped up in class and that tells the story, as you mentioned. I don't see the fire anymore. And it's weird because sometimes you, when you move up in weight, your intensity, your cardio, everything improves because you're not killing your body to cut. For some weird reason, it's been the inverse, Luke. For her, since moving up to 125, she doesn't have that same spark. So maybe you can chalk it up to when she's winning five fights in one year and she's basically focused on, I don't want a waitress anymore. There's a different level

of hunger, kind of like Luke, even though Pearl Jam's an insanely great historical rock band, and they're still great live today. And the recent albums of the past decade are pretty damn good. There's nothing like listening to 10. Eddie's voice, that, that, I mean, it's an instrument because Luke, it's hunger, it's angst, it's anger. It anger it's you know it's telling the story of their lives she didn't get to necessarily to a level where she's sleeping with silk sheets but i haven't seen that hunger in a while there was a spark to her when she hit the scene in the ufc and it's not there anymore yeah and then the last part i would say is bc she took she so she fought androge and got stopped pretty badly in the first round there in late September.

And then she took this fight on short notice. Probably what she was thinking was, oh, you know what? I'll take this one on short notice and just get that one back, right? End the misery of the two-fight losing streak to these top contenders. And then she kind of found herself at the end of all of Lee's punches. Maybe her face got broken. To answer the original question, I don't have any issue with her stopping the fight between the second and third round.

If your face is broken, or it's just not your day, save it. Save the punishment for a different day. At the same time, if you're finding yourself losing fights like this three in a row, not to chumps, to good fighters,

something's gone wrong something has clearly gone wrong and there is there is a need to repair the damage all right topic number three bc let's go to the bellator side of things chris cyborg made short work of shanae cavanaugh shanae cavanaugh tried to make it a fight god bless her she was out there to win it but it didn't last long a series of right hands sit her down inside the first. BC, I know you're going to tell me that that's impressive, but let's talk about what really matters. There that night in Miami was none other than now free agent,

multiple-time judoka champion in the Olympics, multiple-time PFL champion Kayla Harrison. The question is as follows. Not would it be a big fight how aggressively should bellator seek the services of free agent kayla harrison i mean without knowing you know their financial situation within our own larger silo of a viacom cbs company how about aggressive as shit look this is a super fight and it's sort of perfect uh in terms of its crossroads nature because cyborg at 36 has not slipped you know we talked that up

heading into this fight and boy did she go out there and deliver and i know there's some people going well shanae did land a bomb i mean she did she landed absolute bomb but you know cyborg countered that bomb and ate it and took it and look i'm sorry unless you're amanda nunes you're not getting to a cyborg right now you know in terms of this level of competition so the crossroads fight is perfect because we don't really know how great kayla harrison is she's mopped up pfl but not only is her division barely a division the division below 145 globally is barely a division so this is an extreme step up opportunity for Kayla it is the kind of opponent I mean Cyborg's already in ridiculous shape and takes no shortcuts and treats every fight like it matters but that's a get up early type of fight if you're training for it that's a you know put everything you have that's it's a

career defining fight in many ways so Luke I don't I don't know if there is a middle ground where they can do this without signing her long-term. And I do think PFL is going to have a say at the negotiation table because they're able to offer $1 million to win a tournament in which Kayla's going to be monstrously favored over these. But what you love about Kayla's fighting spirit is that she's not content with that and after winning two different seasons and having to sit out one for the pandemic it kind of it feels time for Kayla to really challenge herself I love that she's not content I love that this season she started calling people out and speaking like a pro wrestler and being almost

cocky and saying I know how great I am. Yeah, the window just opened. Make this damn fight. Now, all we know from Scott Coker is that he told the media this week and after the fight, he is interested. He's willing to sit down. I'm sure he talked to Kayla. Maybe this was the first time. I'm hoping, Luke, I'm hoping we get to this because this would be a big deal. I mean, Luke, could you make this a pay-per-view main event? Not that I want to see that, you know, but could you put this on big CBS? I mean i mean this you can really build to this fight properly and say you know maybe outside of amanda or valentina these are the two best women in the world or you can competently say these are these two are on that level caleb might be on that level luke we already know cyborgs on

the same level of nunes and shevchenko historically, despite losing to Amanda in that one. So it's rare that you get two fighters this great and with this much of a story of old versus new. And yeah, it feels like a, I mean, look, you know, could you get your money back on a monster investment here? Maybe if you can sign Kayla, you know, for a consistent number of fights and and and win or lose really make her one of the new faces of bellator but despite bellator having a good crop of fighters kayla's on such a rocket rise where she could instantly become a face of the franchise for them so i hope so luke i hope

we see it and there's nothing because we're home we're Bellator homers whatever no as an MMA fan I freaking hope we can see it I would actually argue for this fight by not being a Bellator homer which is what I would listen your ultimate point is correct right which is the financials are going to have to make sense here and God only knows a what PFL could offer beyond we saw the standard but a million you know, cash prize in addition to all the other payments that you get through that tournament, if you win it, is always going to be on the table, as you mentioned, and a pretty lucrative thing. And again, I don't know what Bellator needs to do to balance the books. And also, you know, you wouldn't want to sign Kayla for one fight because if she wins, then she beats your champ and then splits. So you're going to

want to have to make an investment in her. Do you want to make an investment in two women that in either case don't have much of a um division behind them right you're going to have the same problem with either they're going to fight each other a few times probably to make that investment work so there are a lot of reasons why the money may not work but what i would say is on behalf of bellator listen what is the difference between bellator and strike force in some ways strike force was obviously competing in a different era and did not have in any way a monopoly at all on the amount of the best fighters in the game, but had more than what Bellator does.

And as a consequence, a lot of the shows that Bellator produced are good to fine, but the kinds you got, let's say with like a Pitbull versus McKee, where you have like a legitimate claim as this guy being the potential best in the world in that division, or at a very minimum top three or something, those are the kinds of events that make you stand up. Those are the kind of events that make you go, wow, dude, there's something impressive outside of what the UFC is doing. And some of their other fights do that too. I don't mean to suggest otherwise. But this is just

the obvious truth with Cyborg and Kayla. There's any number of reasons to do it. One of which is if I'm Bellator, I want to be able to have the ability to put on fights that I can legitimately claim feature the best or, you know, arguably claim anyway, the best fighter in that division in the world. They might be able to do that by the way, with their Bellator 205 pound tourney. I think AJ McKee is basically as special as fighters come, more or less. And if you do that here with Kayla and Cyborg, you have yet another circumstance where you can do that. Also, Scott Coker had a long-standing respect for women's MMA before a lot of other promoters did, too. So it's in a long tradition of that. But if I'm Bellator and I'm thinking about what are ways where I can put on super relevant MMA fights, where I can build a potential star in Kayla

Harrison or any kind of star, and that really is significant for MMA, this is an easy win on that level. Whether the financials make sense could turn it into something you just can't do. I understand the business, but I just feel like Bellator should make a premium on big time, relevant fights at the top of a weight class with people where that no one can bullshit who has the, or, you know, couldn't deny that these people are in the conversation for being the very best in the weight class. Strikeforce had a lot more of those. Bellator needs more of them. And, uh, if kayla was signed here's the question that no one's asking luke would she have to cut to 145 to fight here because that's a cut she says she could do for money but not you know she's not she doesn't want to yeah but i mean listen

here's the thing with bellator i'm sorry with the pfl for her and you know this as well as i do man like yes she could keep doing that and there's going to be a certain kind of fighter who is going to love the idea of like i'm just going to go and beat up on some people that i know i can beat win that million dollar check and go home but it turns out that like when you actually get someone like kayla the equation changes which you end up finding more so on the men's side is the people interested in the pfl format generally speaking are guys who are good but couldn't quite couldn't quite at least in their more senior stages advance to

where they wanted to go and then this was a way to like move around competition to get not an easy payday but an easier chance at a big payday kayla's had a couple of these huge paydays now she's missing the other part which is do she can collect this money but the people who want to collect money in that way without ever really facing you know the very best that her generation has to offer they tend to go towards that competition not away from it and so the the the the incentive structure changes with her she needs a big opponent she needs a big opponent in a big fight she's earned it she wants it again whether the financials make sense we'll see but i just feel like as lucrative

as that money is i'm not saying she will ultimately turn it down i'd be very surprised if she goes right back there she's gonna want to test herself against somebody and i think the answer to the question is what you're saying is she better be willing to make 145 consistently because that's where the money, or not the money, that's where the potential at glory can be right now. And I don't mean kickboxing. And if you're, hey, Scott Coker and company and ViacomCBS and all the people that pay our paychecks, if you're going to sign Kayla, how about sign Megan Anderson too? You've got Kat Zingano. That's right. She's a free agent too, isn't she?

You've got Kat Zingano. She's a free agent too. Isn't she? You've, you've got cats in Ghana at one 45. Who's the name. You've got Arlene Blanco, who just had a hell of a good performance on this undercard on Friday night against Pam Sorenson. You've got a couple names here. Let's make a, let's let, let's make a, you know, you know what Scott has a chance to do what Scott loves to do, Luke. And I don't say this disparagingly.

You know, this is, this is what I'd do if I was him build the division up and make a claim that it's the best in the world if they if they sign the two names i mentioned and mix those with the names they have guess what bellator not only has the best women's 145 pound division in the world they have the only women's 145 pound division in the world luke and you know that's true you do i do you're right because amanda nunez isn't going to be here for too, too much longer, so they might be able to just take whatever's left over and run with it. It's certainly very possible. Again, I think that's the kind of, it's easy for me to say that's the business Bellator should be in,

but I just mean, you know, when you really look at what moves the needle for them, those are in short supply and they need more of them, and this is a possible, possible circumstance where they could add to, you know, that greatness at 145, that greatness at men's 205 as well. All right. So let's go to number four. Now also on that, on that same card, to me, this was a super important fight and a really important performance. And by and large, not totally, but pretty close, Aaron Pico delivered. He controlled and beat up Justin Gonzalez for three full rounds. I think that's the longest he's ever gone. I've got to double check that.

It is. Certainly. The first time he's ever gone to the cards. Yeah, there you go. And did it without a hint of controversy whatsoever. BC, grade his performance. Number one, what would you give it? And number two,

what did it tell you about his upside? I give it a, I guess an a minus, you know, I mean, it's, I want to say B plus, but that almost underscores it. He didn't get the finish, but I'm almost happier that he didn't Luke. And I liked afterwards that he said, I really needed this. I needed to go the distance for the first time and kind of prove to myself that I can do this. Look, this was exactly what I was looking for. We've seen him go out there and brutally finish people. And I know Gonzalez is probably a step up from the guys he's most recently defeated, coming in with the unbeaten record and some decent experience. But I love that he was patient and poised and willing to lean on his strengths. Look, Aaron Pico is at a weird spot where the things that he could do to impress us

most right now are not the most impressive things, meaning I don't need to see that highlight reel shit anymore. I know you can do it. I know you're an incredible boxer. I know you can slam people and knock out people in the body. I've got to see you completely control and dominate. So in that sense, Luke, it really was near perfect across the board i mean i kind of get the feeling that his his stand-up defense is never going to be perfect

but as long as it's not reckless as long as he's not leaving his chin out there and of course when he goes in there and he steps up for real against some legitimate sluggers uh you know we're gonna have to see that if he can if he can rein it in a little bit and actually box, not headhunt. But, Luke, what are you going to say? What are you going to pinpoint that wasn't great about this? I kind of needed a veteran win, and this looked like a veteran win. Well, again, let's be very fair and clear about Pico. This was a great performance.

I mean, he should be very proud of it, very happy. I saw him get tagged, and remember what we said on Friday. We just want to make sure even if he gets hit, you don't lose composure. He didn't. He stuck to the game plan by and large. There's a few of those spinny kicks, which you can see here. He threw. That wasn't great.

But to your point, A- I think is exactly the right scorecard. Here's the one issue for me that I still see that I would love. I don't even know if you can clean it up, to be quite honest with you. And part of this is not even like wrong or right. Sometimes just preference. But dude, once you just see what happens when people really get good at and build into their striking game, fainting. And I mean that sincerely.

You see it in boxing all the time. You see it in striking all the time. Certain MMA strikers are the higher level ones. The reason why it's so important, folks are like, oh, you're just adding a level of complication. You're like the CKB guys. It's not really about that. The CKB guys use that influence they got from boxing. They'll tell you that.

Eugene Behrman talks about the fact that he was influenced by watching boxing. That's why they brought it over there. So that's really where it comes from from them. Here's why you want to faint. It's a very simple explanation. Because once you get good at it, you are striking on your terms, on your open windows, not theirs.

Versus if we're just going to throw all the time, you're just rolling the dice. It's not 50-50 every time. I don't mean it in that way. But there's an openness to that exchange where either guy can kind of get the best of the other one. And feinting, by the way, is no guarantee you're not going to get hit. But you watch a master feinter. They create a window, exploit it, and then they're back out.

I think a guy like Pico could really, really benefit, especially BC. Here's why. Dude, his level change and penetration step to get the takedown it's one of the best i've ever seen i mean that sincerely he gets so far underneath these guys by the time they're fighting for underhooks and everything else it's way too fucking late he's already got him picked up driven to the fence on the ground you name it his wrestling is fantastic it's super good his ground and pound is dynamite bro you start level changing these guys into thinking something's coming and then it's not. And we know, by the way, he's got great power.

How about his body attacks, his body punching, those vicious left hooks to the body? It's great. So all I'm pointing out is I would love to see him create striking exchanges that start on his terms and then go through with it rather than just trying to throw and see if it works absolutely and he's strong physically strong as shit i mean he's able to just you know physically dominate people so matchmaking wise i still believe that i i think the the not the boss at the end of the video game but the fight he really has to win for his own confidence in ours that he's legitimately title ready is that adam borch rematch so if i could set it up perfectly luke i would have that as sort of the

last fight before the title fight look he's gonna fight for a title somewhat sooner than later he's on a great win streak he's that good but i want to see him against a daniel vitual type next i know vitual's coming off a competitive loss to Pedro Carvalho in a pretty good fight from a couple weeks ago, but that's the sort of veteran guy who can take you into more rounds. Luke, I'd even make that a main event. You know how sometimes Bellator's got these in-between cards? Maybe not main event. That's not main event worthy.

But co-main event, make it a five-rounder. I kind of want to see him in a in a in a near title type setting against the type of veteran who can particularly expose his flaws i don't know if vichel's that perfect guy but is that the type of matchmaking you're looking for next as well that seems a little aggressive daniel vichel is a he's not a world beater but he's an everyone else but them beater um but he's, he's enough, there's enough mileage on him where it could be, it's kind of like perfect boxing matchmaking in a lot of ways. I have to think about that more.

I'll say this, BC. You might be right. You might be right. My initial reaction is that's a little bit too far from guy who wins on Contender Series but doesn't get the call up to daniel vyshal who i think could beat a lot of ufc featherweights uh but you're also right this is not the very best daniel vyshal we know he can't beat the very best you beat him it tells us exactly where i would still like to see one more before that but i'll say this either a vyshal

type next or a rematch against corrales who he lost to i think he could beat every corrales yeah and then go to visual i like that a lot too no he's not ready for emmanuel sanchez next maybe not even pedro carvalho no yeah uh pedro carvalho i think he could beat too but emmanuel sanchez i don't think i mean that's that's a tough that is that's a tough guy to beat um so no i don't really agree with that one either. But, you know, you get the idea. Did that make you believe that with proper development, he could be champion, what you saw on Friday?

100%. And I already believe that coming in, but this kind of cemented it. Yes. All right. And then last but certainly not least, BC, what did we make topic number five of old David Benavidez, but I'm going to ask you in this way. So David Benavidez headlined on Showtime on Saturday night. He beat the shit out of his opponent, who, by the way, though, was surprisingly game.

Dude, that was, for a one-sided war, Kyron Davis has some balls. He's probably like a division and a half smaller. He fought his heart out, dude. He did. He did. He had nothing for David Benavidez except all the heart in the world. But okay, here's the way I want to ask this, because he was relentlessly campaigning for a Canelo fight.

But over on DAZN, Jaime Munguia and Gabe Rosado put on what I thought was maybe the best boxing fight of the weekend, just in terms of back and forth raw action. Gabe Rosado doing much better than I thought, but ultimately Jaime Munguia getting that nod over there as well. Munguia fight was at 160. Obviously David Vita's at 168. Let me ask it this way. Who did a better job convincing you that they deserve and would do well in a Canelo fight? Munguia at 160 on Saturday on DAZN, or Benavidez 160 on Showtime? I got to go Benavidez, but I think it's pretty damn close, because Jaime Munguia against a kind of reformed veteran, Gabe Rosado,

who we really got to give Freddie Roach credit. Remember what he did with Miguel Cotto? He's very good at taking older fighters who've still got something left and rebuilding their confidence and really making them offensively dangerous again. And we've never seen Gabe Rosado try to be this much of a puncher. And that's what made that Munguia fight so fun, even though it was really one-sided in the end. But Gabe just really going for it one shot at a time against Munguia's relentlessness. But this is the first time Munguia, who's still young as shit, what is he, 25?

This was the first time he really leaned into defense. Luke, he used to be zombie-like in walking forward, but another all-time great, Eric Morales, who was his trainer, and it's really becoming a pretty damn good one. I think Eric Morales, who's not who, again, wasn't a defensive wizard,

although he was responsible, was more of a go-get-it guy. He's done great work with Munguia to round him out a little bit, give him some more foundational principles, some IQ, working behind the guard. Munguia, I think, still is a long-term Canelo opponent, but I think short-term, if Canelo doesn't choose Triple G next, I think Munguia should be the next Triple G opponent

because it's the same division. Triple G's going to try to unify middleweight titles with Ryota Murata in December in Japan. Munguia doesn't have a belt right now. Former champion at 154. They're both with DAZN. That, to me, makes a ton of sense, although obviously we know the

Canelo Triple G trilogy, DAZN wants that bad. There's a lot of money there. That could happen next. But if you're asking me who showed out better here, it's got to be Ben benavidez this wasn't the matchup he wanted or necessarily that we or showtime wanted because uh it was caught to keep you know piss dirty or what have you but chiron davis again after that draw with anthony durell really showed that there's something there and shout out to his trainer steven breadman edwards one of the real one of the real i'm so glad you brought that up, dude.

Let me set this up. For folks who don't know, even before the sixth round, after the fifth, his corner was like, bro, you don't start showing me something, I'm going to throw the towel, giving him a warning right away, right away. Because look, they took this fight on short notice. As BC indicated, you can see from the photos, man, they weren't the same size. This was an uphill climb, and they were willing to take it on certain terms but once Benavidez started rolling with the combinations against the the ropes shit changed pretty quickly goes out there for the six and

just basically says either it's this round or it's not he starts getting beat up and he throws the towel and he saved his guy a bunch of punishment even though he had all the heart in the world I loved loved seeing that. Yeah. Shouldn't we be seeing video of this fight? It was a Showtime fight, right? Don't we have rights to that shit? I don't know.

Breadman, by the way, is one of the, he's a regular guest on the Raskin and Mulvaney Showtime boxing podcast, and he does a column for a boxing scene. He's just a smart dude. Julian J. Rock Williams is trainer, but that was a very smart stoppage, and to hear Davis afterwards talk up his coach as his second father, you saw the tears.

It was a good-ass wholesome moment in a sport that rarely delivers, but the bigger story here is Benavidez. Despite that, he looked tremendous. His consistent attack to the body, he's got quick feet for a guy that size. Even though Munguia is a badass, he's still a weight class smaller

coming up from a weight class smaller. The hook on Benavidez against Canelo is the size and the power and the activity and the fact that, you know, look, Munguia is also, Munguia is actually born in Mexico. So I'm not going to say, you know, Benavidez is more Mexican than Munguia. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying, you know, Benavidez is a little bit bigger of a star.

He's in the same weight class and he would bring a size advantage to Canelo that I think is the sell, right? Along with being Mexican American, along with saying, Hey, if we're going to do this, let's do it Cinco de Mayo weekend in Vegas. And let's really go, you know, all Mexican style. And, you know, you just fought that defensive, you know, slick boxer and Caleb plant now fight a bigger guy who's coming after you and is not afraid to take punishment back and we'll throw it in flurries. He had the performance we wanted. And although he did mention afterwards that he wanted Canelo, I kind of feel like he should have slammed that down, Luke. And I know I'm the pro wrestling guy, although I really don't watch it anymore. More news at 11. Oh, I know. You don't know although I really don't watch it anymore. More news at 11. Bullshit, you

don't. No, I really don't. I didn't even watch AEW's pay-per-view over the weekend. I'm kind of moving on, Luke, and that's fine. But my point is, I know not everybody's going to take the pro wrestling route and say, Canelo, you puto, you motherfucker, why don't you fight a real Mexican?

I know that's not everybody's MO, but I wanted a little bit more. Instead, Benavidez kind of threw his thunder at Jamal Charlo and called him a pussy and all that. Would be an equally great fight. But yes, Benavidez, I think, Luke, short of Canelo going to Triple G, I don't believe anymore that Canelo's going to 175 next.

I don't think the upside is there. I think if Canelo comes back to PBC and Showtime, company guy BC loves cashing these checks, but I think also if you can fight David Benavidez and Jamal Charlo in 2022, it's a hell of a great pay-per-view year. Maybe Canelo wants to fight a third time. Who knows? Maybe he could slip in that Triple G

trilogy for all I know, but yeah, Luke. Benavidez to me did what he had to do. He did what he fricking had to do. He's an uncrowned champion in his own way. We know his issues outside the ring and Luke, even though his brother, Jose coming back from a three year layoff got what I thought was a gift draw in that co-main event. Did you see that video package?

I had forgotten that Jose Jr. His older brother had been shot in the leg and had that violent background, but also was the youngest Golden Globes champion in U.S. history. They kind of had a Quasi-Diaz brothers vibe, right? A little bit, a little bit. Yeah, except here's the problem. There's a big gap in ability between them, which you could have said there was a while between Nick and Nate,

but I think that is closed, and both are kind of different versions of each other. Whereas, don't you get the feeling that David Benavidez and his brother, his brother is a much—both guys are tough as shit, obviously. They're pro boxers, but A, there's a big gap in ability, and the one who has the lesser ability is like the street-crazier one of the two. I agree with that, but Jose used to bezier one of the two. You know what I'm saying? I agree with that, but Jose used to be the better of the two.

And he did fight Terrence Crawford for the welterweight title, and he went deep into that fight before getting stopped late. But, you know, he was like the amateur sensation who turned pro at 17. And Benavidez was actually pretty fat. David was a pretty fat kid back in the day and has really slimmed down. But, yeah, they got a cool vibe going at the very least. Luke, gun, firearms to your head, bro. I want to ask you a question, motherfucker.

Firearms to your head. Better call Saul, right? Who does Saul pick next? As my wife would say, better call Saul. I'm like, that's not the name of the show, but okay. Go ahead. Who is he picking? Who is Big Red picking for me?

Okay, here was my read on this, BC. Tell me if you feel like I'm off on something, right? Because I'm still putting all my Ps and Qs together with my boxing knowledge. So I watched the Munguia fight. I watched the Benavidez fight. To me, it just seems like for a lot of reasons, most of which you have already articulated, the Benavidez-Canelo fight just makes more sense for Canelo. I think it makes more sense for boxing,

quite frankly. I introduced Munguia because I thought it'd be a fun little wild card. I didn't want to not talk about that fight, but I think Benavidez makes more sense. Here's what I would say, though. First of all, I love your idea about Triple G Munguia. I think that is fucking awesome, number one. To me though, the one thing I want to give Munguia is not that I think he's a better fit for the Canelo fight, because I don't. Although at some point, one never knows. As you indicated, 25 Mexican, who knows what they want to do with that one. That's always going to be something kind of interesting. But what I would say is Munguia had to do and show more to win against Gabe Rosado than Benavidez did against his late notice very very sprightly but late notice kind of overmatched

opponent David Benavidez was walking this guy down with zero respect for him from round three on I mean from that point over uh from that point on, the fight was fucking over. It just took that long for it to end. Munguia, as you indicated in your answer, had to show different things to get past Rosado in a way that we hadn't quite seen from him. A couple extra gears. So I actually think that going in the direction you stated was the best one.

Munguia to Triple G, Benavidez to Canelo. But what I would say for Munguia is, dude, this is a fucking impressive performance from him. You didn't get all of the offensive firepower that you're used to seeing from him, but what you did get was an overall better performance of well-roundedness. I actually love this from Munguia.

I do. I did. I love the performance. I just think he's deeper down the line for potential Canelo right now than we realize. Look, dude, if Triple beats marada he's i think it's triple g and benavidez head to head what do i know behind the scenes that's what i'm just saying from from where i'm looking at right now luke did you happen to see at all the uh the golden boy approved ring announcer that uh that one had one who the one who had the one who also when he uh commentates looks like like you do when you eat with the one eye closed? Yes. Well, look, I'm not going to bring that up because, you know, he can't.

Like me, Luke, you know, he can't fix that. Okay, it is what it is. Okay, so let me back up. I got a little eye tick here. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I don't want to make fun of someone who has an actual disability. I thought he was doing a bit. No, no.

Okay. He might have a little bit of a wandering eye. I don't have a wandering eye i have a lazy eyelid that jumps when i eat very much to draw the the uh i thought i thought he was i literally thought he was doing this like like getting into it kind of a thing i didn't know give him credit with his eye the sound of his voice is good his hair is fantastic his catchphrase of uh let's get golden or whatever the hell is lame, but I didn't like it. Neither did anyone on Boxing Twitter when after the fight, he's like, let's give

a hand to these guys for without a doubt the fight of the year. We're like, bro, come on. I mean, it's like the fight of this month, but come on. I mean, can we please relax a little bit here? Also, he had big ass traps. You could tell my man's been in the weight room too. I didn't look at him that closely.

You didn't see the traps from all the shrugs he's been doing? No, I didn't. All right. Well, you know, very alpha of you to not notice. Okay. All right. With that in mind, BC, it's time for us to answer the questions from the fans. It's time for DMs from the diggity dongs.

Hee-haw. Hee-haw. Hee-haw. All right. BC, this is from fron underscore 607. After being a ref for a million years, what can be done about the indecisiveness of Herb stopping fights but not stopping fights? What do you think?

Yeah, he's on a tough little run right now. I do think Herb is still in the prime of his career, I hope, Luke, but I feel like we've had the Herb Dean discussion more than we should have over the past year. This Ben Rothwell fight is the reference point where what's the guy's name, Rogerio DeLima? Is that correct? Yeah.

I mean, he put it on him. That was shocking. I mean, he put it on him. He hurt shocking. I mean, he put it on him. He hurt him with a left hook, and to Lima's credit, he knows how to finish a guy when he's got him hurt. But, yes, there was a lot of stop-start going on. What is that method called, Luke? The stop-start method, yeah.

We've all practiced that in high school, right? I mean, you've got to make a decision and stick with it, Herb, okay? I mean, what do we do about it? I don't know. I hope the Nevada State Athletic Commissioner or whoever has a nice little chat and just says, come on, bro, because I felt like he didn't know what he was doing. That was a bad sequence, Luke. Yeah, I mean, here's what I would say. I think it was – I've talked about this when I did my radio show for SiriusXM years ago.

I believe it was Boston University, although if I'm wrong about that, feel free to dead wrong me because I don't know for sure. But there was a major study done by a university, I'm pretty sure it was Boston University, that looked at, or maybe it was commissioned by MLB, but they looked at the strength of umpiring in baseball. And what they found was a lot of different things. But the biggest takeaway that I had from it was the longer tenured umpires in Major League Baseball,

so we're talking upwards of 20 plus years, scored the worst. They actually did the worst job out of anyone, including brand new umpires. So you're asking, well, where was the sweet spot? It turned out the sweet spot was around 10 years or so, five to 10 years in certain cases. So it was folks who had a lot of experience under their belt, but not like a ton. Now, what would explain the reasons why there would be this drop off in performance? Some of those are very related to baseball that may not play any role here. All I mean to say is the one thing I would argue, BC, is we sometimes associate tenure. Oh, they've had the most tenure. That must mean they're the most qualified. And I actually feel like people start to get washed the closer they get to 50.

I mean that sincerely. I actually think that their judgment sometimes needs to be reevaluated at different intervals. What I would want to find out, out there's no way to know this was if you could test referees now for their competency on the job what cohort in terms of how long they've been on the job would score the best we just assume if they've been on the job the longest that would be the case but we know for a fact in Major League Baseball it's the exact opposite I think there might be some lesson to learn from that in terms of officiating more generally yeah that's worst ageism than uh you're about to see and have you seen the shit with how is it ageism if it's based in fact that's the thing i can't i can't make jokes in

this i don't think i know i don't think i can name a boxing referee or sorry boxing judge under the age of 50 to your point i don't think i can And, like, boxing judging might be one of the worst fucking things ever, you know? So there you go. All right. From Jimmy underscore Reed. Hey, that's something. How would you guys see a fight between Robert Whitaker and Kamaru Usman playing out at 185? I'd probably see it with my eyes, BC. What about you?

Wow. All right. All right. Yeah, you covered it in my dad joke case there. I like that. But, you know, it's a great idea. I do think, you know, because Kamaru and Israel Adesanya have not wanted to fight each other unless, as Kamaru says, you put $150 million down on the table.

And sorry, guys. Pre or post Zufa ain't doing that anytime soon. If Robert Whitaker wins this Adesanya rematch, which I think they just recently announced will be in February now Luke um there's obviously a great chance we could see a third fight between them and I do think that this this has a shot at being you know historic historical rivalry for this era but for all we know Luke Robert Whitaker could be the next middleweight champion again and that would be the opportunity for Kamaru to really try to enter goat-dom. And how would it go down? I would favor Robert Whittaker because I think he's the most well-rounded fighter in the game today.

And I think that the size difference would give his more well-rounded skills than Usman an advantage. I've got to see it with my eyes that Usman can be as physically dominant in the higher weight class. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying he can't compete for the title there. I just kind of have to see it against somebody as great as Whitaker. Yeah, Whitaker's going to be hard to hold. He's going to be hard to hold down. He's got great scrambling, great anti-wrestling.

I would say that the wrestling of Kamaru is going to be in some ways worse, but in some ways better than the wrestling of Yoel Romero. So, like, oh, well, he could, you know, Yoel Romero had trouble for 10 rounds, but like, you know, it's a very different situation for a lot of reasons. So it'd be, listen, could Kamaru Usman beat him? Yes, I think he could, but I think it'd be a pretty tough fight. And, you know. Yeah, I'd rather him dare to be great there than Canelo, or please, or Nick Diaz. Who just said that Kamaru should fight Nick Diaz next?

Did somebody say that? Or was that they said, oh, they said Hamzat should fight Nick Diaz next. Maybe it was the Weighing In podcast. Was that it? I'd have to check if that actually happened. But if that did happen, then we got to get this Josh Thompson rematch sooner than later. All right. All right.

I'll call him. I'll set it up for you. All right uh next someone with those just the worst fucking name i mean imagine having this name on instagram and then expecting people to find your account like you're never going to get followers okay what was a car you guys lusted after as teenagers if any i noticed you two help us hardly talk about cars yeah motherfucker because i live in the place with the most expensive child care in the fucking country that shit is i could buy two fucking mercedes per per year with the amount of money i'm spending on fucking daycare but okay go ahead his name is ghost hardware luke i don't think it's that hard i know could you put could

you make it no yeah go then write ghost hardware don't write number four fucking zero number four well it's better than like andre underscore underscore dot zero zero three seven nine i agree with that but those are those are equally awful but uh this one is okay so i'm not a car guy you know i didn't grow up with car magazines i'm more of a a to b efficient guy but that's because i've really never had money until right now so thank thank you, Showtime and CBS. That's right. Me too. Yeah.

Luke, want to hear the history of the cars I've owned? Actually, this is actually better for a room service diaries, but I love this question. Go ahead. Okay. On the first day of freshman year of community college, for $2,000 in 1996, I bought a 1985 Chevy Celebrity. It was gold. It was amazing. That was the stallion.

It would stall while you're driving in key situations. You could take the key out while you're driving. Stallion. Dude, I had the exact same shit. Go ahead. Yeah, okay. Then when I was 21, I bought a brand new 2000 Dodge Neon. Salsa Red.

It was a hot car for a minute, Luke, for a quick minute. And then that thing became an Albatross. And then when I got married, I bought a used 2011 Honda Accord. Then I bought like a 2008 Honda Odyssey minivan. And then I got like a brand new box Nissan Sentra that sucked the horn. But, Luke, finally. How many times did you sleep in the back of your minivan to avoid driving home drunk? Never. But, you know, I almost bought a minivan when I was like 18. Just so, like, you can load up friends and all your hockey.

I played hockey at the time. I played all these sports. I just wanted to basically have my entire life in my van. That would have been awesome, Luke. We could have smoked that thing up many times all right so uh right now luke you know i bought a 2020 orange subaru cross track that you have dubbed the uh indigo indigo girls mobile but uh melissa etheridge mobile it look you drive on the way to lilith fair it's sporty it's efficient it's got a sunroof it gets great gas mileage it's safe and if you want to hear ravi shankar just play the sitar endlessly in a jam session dude that was vishnu orchestra john mclaughlin and company well cobham on the drums that was

awesome all right so luke um this is the first car i've actually like bought with intention that i wanted i do it's not manly at all, but I do tend to like smaller, sporty, efficient cars. There's nothing manly at all about that. So yeah, I suck in a car conversation, but to the spirit of the question, what cars have I lusted over in my youth? Luke, when I started driving, you know, it was my dream car. It was like a brand new 1998 Dodge. What'd you call those big SUVs they had? Remember what I'm talking about? Vans?

No, the damn Dodge SUV. You know what I'm talking about. Well, the Dodge truck is the Ram. I don't know about the rest of the SUVs. The Dodge Durango. The 98 Dodge Durango I thought had a great look. And then I also really wanted that boat. It came out in the early 2000s.

It was a Cadillac, and it was like a two-door, and it had the North Star engine. I lusted after that car for a while. Luke, as you can see, I really don't have a stake at this table for this conversation. I should not be around. Yeah, I've never been a car guy either. My parents never were car people. No one in my family was really a car person. And, you know, I didn't have money until now.

And now I don't because I live in an extremely expensive city. But what I would say is here's my list of cars. This is a true story. So my brother was two years older than me. So my dad bought us when we were in high school at the same time. So I was a freshman. My brother was a junior. So we had two years together. My dad bought us a car. My brother got to drive it most of the time but he was he took us this is a true fucking so remember this is the guy that would hand out roy rogers coupons

on halloween right this is my dad you know that like when they apprehend drug dealers at certain times they can confiscate their property right yes my dad took us to a government auction of cars i always wanted to go there and buy some really cool stuff for cheap yeah so actually the car ended up being pretty good in terms of like you know your first car for nothing i think my dad paid like four grand or something and got a white is your dad in general a cheapskate oh god dude my dad my dad won't spend money on a fucking my dad just you know my dad my dad just loves to have his money just sit in the bank and just yeah do nothing unless it's an international whore he will not open that even then he's too cheap even then he's too cheap uh but here so we got a white chevy corsica was

the first car i ever drove oh that's a piece of shit i've seen the worst piece of shit and then i inherited it to college you ever seen that scene in bill murray's uh stripes when they park in front of the fire hydrant and the guy comes out of his shop he's like you can't park that here he's like oh no no sir we're not parking parking the car we're abandoning it keep it yeah yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's brilliant. Dude, that's literally what I did to this car my freshman year. The brakes got so bad when I drove to college, because I lived my sophomore year off campus on an apartment. I couldn't hit the brakes.

I had to milk the emergency brake to go downhill so I wouldn't hit anybody, right? So finally one day the brakes just didn't work, and I coasted to a stop, and I just left the motherfucker there. And that was the end of it. That was the end of that car's ride. After that, I came back here. I had a Toyota with no hubcaps, two door. The window didn't roll down except for five inches.

And it had no AC. Hold on. The cloth ceiling that would fall apart. Oh yeah, that comes down. And it was no AC. Hold on, hold on. The cloth ceiling that would fall apart. Oh yeah, that comes down. And it was stick shift. So one day I had to drive in terrible traffic from DC to Fredericksburg, which is not very far. But if traffic is bad, it took two hours.

Two hours in August, no AC, stop and go with a stick shift. I came out of there looking like I could make fucking bantamweight. I guaranteed you did not get laid the history of you owning that car. I guarantee it. I think that's right, actually. I think that was the low. Of course it is, dude.

That was like the low period of my life. So then after that, I bought a used purple Toyota Camry, which my neighbor hit me and totaled. And then after that, I bought my first, at the time, it was a brand new car. It's what I drive now. This was 2016, and I got a Mazda CX-5 SUV, whatever. What have I coveted? I've always coveted Mercedes S-Class. That's always been the dream. Wow, we sound so sad.

There's probably people with giant Ford F-150s and sports cars, and they're just looking down on us, Luke. So, I mean, I'm in the market for a car now my wife and i have talked about it but here's a couple problems it's like one i want to wait till my daughter can go to pre-k three because our bills are fucking insane number one number two it doesn't even benefit me to have a big-ass car dude where am i gonna park it in this fucking city like it doesn't do me i need something sleek and smaller just to get around and do shit so dude you should first of all you should get out of the city and move to the suburbs you should move to my town luke my town we could be like like local neighbors we could coach like youth soccer

together this would be awesome luke we can go to like the school functions and make fun of the other snobby parents like this'd be great if someone cut you a 100 grand check you didn't have to spend the whole thing but you had 100 grand to buy in a car what would you buy that day walk into the lot and just give them the check you know when you're you know you're not a car guy when you don't have a go-to answer luke yeah exactly you know so i buy i've always been a mercedes like a g wagon type thing that's where i would go but i'm not a big car guy you know so i buy i've always been a mercedes like a g wagon type thing that's where i would go but i'm not a big car guy you know yeah by the way can you can you repair your car no no no hell no no yeah i tried being the car guy once here's what i'll say i tried to teach

myself which is not smart the best i ever did was in that chevyorsica I was able one time to change the alternator I actually did that with a timing belt took everything off but uh even that was a bit of a fucking uh nightmare to do and I was like you know what man I don't really I don't care about knowing this shit I'm just gonna let someone else do it let's hear from the staff here Gaff has sent us a message saying he would get a Hellcat Challenger or a G-Wagon. And Jay says another Tesla. Jay loves to drive drunk and then sit in his car and let it take him home on autopilot. Yeah, he puts the weight on the steering wheel. All state troopers, please be on the lookout for this guy.

My stallion was so dangerous at the end of it, Luke, that my dad was like, do not take that anywhere outside of town. Cause I would go down to my buddy Ed's college in Manhattan college and, and, uh, in, in the Bronx and New York to party and stuff and try to hook up with chicks. And it was, he, one time he was like, you are not allowed to take that because it's going to break down. So what happened, Luke, was I knew his work schedule. So Brian Nurnberger and I, we got in the car and I was like, look, come over my house and then we'll hop in and we'll leave before my dad gets home. And then Luke, he got home just as I was pulling out and he got out of the car and he was like, I told you right in front of my friend. He's like,

I told you not to take that piece of shit to New York again. So he goes, here's the deal. When that piece of shit breaks down on 684, take the plates off, leave it on the side of the road and get your own ride home. And then he went and slammed the door and then my and then nern looked at me he was like should we still go i was like yeah dude let's do this you know and actually on that ride home on that ride down i did one of the all-time dangerous moves of like the exit was coming and i was going too fast in the middle lane luke and i did like a fast and the furious slide to pass the person in the right lane and just make it off the exit ramp in time. Though, you know, when you would regularly

put your life on the line for no reason, those were great days, right, Luke? Yeah, they were. Alright, this is an easy one to answer. The answer is you, but at BCG347, which one of you would win in a one-mile race? For sure, BC would win in a one-mile race. What's your best one-mile

time? I'm not sure there's a distance that i can't beat you at probably probably now i'm washed i'm like what's your best time on the mile ever 557 oh it's better than mine that's better than my although i will say no again yeah i mean i'm a i'm a sick my best ever best ever was plus six let's say 630 just for uh shits and giggles okay i did that when i was 27 so i haven't been doing road races in like 15 years but i i was a pretty good 10k runner as an adult luke yeah you're you're gonna beat me in all of these for sure never that never i was never like horrible but it was never my strong suit ever at all i'm watching yeah my best time my best my i don't have a i don't know what my best single

mile race is but my best i told you before my best three mile was when i was like 21 or 22 or whatever i don't know 19 what am i saying and i did uh the three miles in 19 minutes oh that's better than my that's actually better than my 5k best time so there you go luke yeah yeah all right so you're not so look we should do like an academic decathlon i mean didn't we all film things one time and didn't we shoot one and it just never made the light of day i mean i'd love to play you one-on-one in hoops i'd love to have a cooking challenge what else did they do in billy madison luke i don't remember i haven't seen in so long uh all right last one.

This one's actually a little bit more interesting than you might imagine because it depends on how you define certain things. So hear me out on this one. All right, from cquizzle93. Rank your favorite pizza chains, i.e. Domino's, Pizza Hut, Papa John's, B.C. Are we only counting those three? I guess you could add in Little little caesars yeah which is shit i mean you should get a large cheese for seven dollars that'll be ready in one second but that's

about it look okay you know and also what about pizza do you eat the pizza at 7-eleven you fucking animal dude before before my liver was uh diagnosed as dead i would get the 99 cent slices at crumbling farms maybe four days a week i'm gonna admit it look at some point in your life you have to come clean luke okay if i was driving by that area i would stop i mean that's how it was you know all right so rank pizza chains all right pizza, but pizza, as we all know, like gross sex, is really never that bad, right? I think Pizza Hut, that group, especially if you can find an actual Pizza Hut where you can go in and sit down and go inside. Dude, who wants to do that except pedophiles and serial killers? I mean, who sits inside of a Pizza Hut?

Do you remember they had the lunchtime buffets that were really cheap and you could get the uh oh dude gaff just slid in with sabaro yes yes borrow but it's borrowed but what about cc's pizza cc okay so cc's buffet which in where my parents live in daytona beach florida i think it's still four dollars per adult to eat just a disgusting amount it's always a great idea on paper until you you literally are like, can I get a stretched out cone hanger? I got to get this shit out. You know what I mean?

I've got to off myself right now, please. I mean, no, that's gross as shit. So I'm going to put Sbarro's, you know, you go to your local mall, that's a good-ass slice of pizza. But Pizza Hut with the damn buffet, Luke, in person, the rare times you can find that, that's gotta be the right up there too. Yeah. And you can go sit next to all the people who are wearing the skin of their

victims. Uh, yeah. All the people who have like those sweatshirts with like wolves on it. You know, those ladies, right? Luke.

Yeah. Howling, you know? Uh, I don't know where I would put number one. Cause I don't know, like this is tough for me. I will say I had a friend who was

so fucking cheap this is a true story from high school this is motherfucker was the cheapest person on earth we were going to go to cc's one day because it's high school you have no money and what else you're gonna do so we were going and he was trying to like hook up with this girl who's in the car in front of us we all had planned to go in like a caravan or whatever and she turns to go into the cc's i'm riding with him he's driving and we just keep going and i'm like motherfucker the cc's like where are you going he's like here's the plan i'm gonna drive far enough so that she goes in doesn't wait for me and then pays for her own cc's then i'm gonna go and sit down be like oh my bad i'm sorry i didn't

i didn't have any money and i'm like, it's $5 all you can eat. How fucking broke are you? He's like, I'm not paying for that shit. I was like, okay. Okay. All right. Unfortunately, I've done things in the, not that, but in that category, I've done things, Luke.

Yeah. This motherfucker one time, this same guy, this same guy went up to me. Did you guys ever have like a media play? You ever heard of media play no all right so media play was one of these big stores where it had like a bookstore inside then like a video store inside and then like a cd store inside all in one obviously that is no longer a business model that makes any sense whatsoever but at the time it did and we would go in there and my man came up to me he's like dude i got 10 bucks i just need five so i could go buy the new cake cd and i was like all right fine i'll hit you with a five god

i could i could imagine what it looked like felt like and smelled like during that conversation you just you just basically carved out like my angst 90s years right there okay all right here's the best part about it it was four of us who had gone. Me, the other guy, and then two more friends. This asshole went to all three of us and told us the exact same story, which was, hey, I have $10. Can you just give me five? It worked. He got five from all three of us and then bought his new cake CD and kept it.

Turns out he's actually really, really rich these days, but he's a bit of a scam artist. Went into Wall Street. Does that make sense? Was that the same guy who bought all those whores and then you had to like decide to just leave him luke was that that guy no i dude i've got the worst friends yeah ever including me including me including you this guy went into wall street made a shitload of money i'm sure that sounds very surprising to you but uh anyway ranking pizza chains i actually would put pizza hut first as well.

I haven't had Pizza Hut in forever. Here's the tough one for me, BC. Who's your solid number two? Not just in the bathroom, but when you eat. Domino's or Papa John's? You know, I've had Papa John's so little in my life. Like, look, Little Caesars is just, it's the shits. Do you have, what's that chain we have in Connecticut

that I never go to anymore? People's Choice? That's like, okay. In college, we had one called Cinello's, and you never had to ask for it because their bit was they would always serve it with a big pot of ranch. So you'd call them up at two in the morning

and be like, give us a cheese pizza. And they'd come in with a huge thing of ranch and everyone would just fucking devour it that was fun that was fun yeah um dude cc's makes you shit like dude cc's is i mean you know the rats like ratatouille is and they're putting the thing in the oven and whatnot i mean it's really gross you know what's good about cc's is you could go up and and they'll put anything on it you could you could concoct the most disgusting mix and they'll be like yeah we'll make that for you sure. It costs $4 to get in here. You can eat whatever you want.

Yeah it's great. Alright. Speaking of that it's time for Have You Seen This? Let's watch. Yeah thank you. We scour the globe every week for the highs and lows, the good and bad, the ugly, the in between. Mostly the ugly from Combat Sports and Beyond. It's called Have You Seen This Shit? Go ahead. between mostly the ugly from combat sports and beyond it's called have you seen this shit go ahead all right special thanks to our guy gaffer always taking all this bs and putting it on the

screen for us here we go ufc fight night in vegas luke featherweight sean woodson with the body shot finish on colin england this was brutal dude. He looked good in this fight. Oh, look at him. He gave him the Mutombo finger, Luke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gave him the no sir, no hiding from that one. Yeah, that's a vicious body shot. Dude, any human that's never been punched to the body,

I mean, you feel like you're dead, Luke. Yeah, I mean, and then he's just putting those right, right where they're supposed to go. Accurate, voluminous. He looked great. Luke, this undercard had so many bangers we could fill a whole segment with, but how about Welterweight, Chaos Williams, giving it to Miguel Baeza here?

Yeah, I was sad to see this because I like Miguel, but that's two in a row. I think two in a row. It's certainly two losses and uh he paid for it you punched you and then just you know he punches then the guy moves into range and then this exchanges with him this is what I mean about like you you strike when it's 50 50 without setting it up eventually this is going to happen Luke little teaser who will be on what you'll be talking about on today's MK Extra Credit? So the Woodson one for sure. I don't know if I'll get to the Baeza one.

We'll talk some other ones. I think I have to pull up my list here. I'm also going to get to BC. Linton Vassell had a nice win, Luke. He did. I wasn't super blown away by it, but the Yedong Arce fight, and then also we're going to talk about the Joel Alvarez fight as well. Or as I called him on HQ the other day, Vinton LaSalle?

Yeah, you called him Vinton LaSalle, and no one corrected you. And then I'm like, you know, he's got a great fight against Justin Fortune, who's Manny Pacquiao's strength coach. It's great. It's great, BC. It's great. All right, let's keep it going. Lightweight Da Un Jong opened this card with some nasty elbows against Kennedy Nzekwu. Nzekwu.

Nzekwu. I can't ever pronounce his last name properly. But look at this. Just holds the lead hand and just goes to work. Hammers him down. Dude, elbow finishes are just brutal. They should outlaw elbows, Luke. That's like a weapon out there, right?

Strike force did Folks, forget that I did forget that Alright, we got a new entry in the tip-to-tip universe, Luke You actually sent me this yourself Max Holloway and Yair Rodriguez in the ambulance afterwards Yeah, man Dude, look at their faces

I mean, whatever they got paid, it was not enough Not enough at all By the way, I love this. Chandler and Gaethje also had a picture like this in the hospital after. Should have been on last week's show. Yeah, I love when they do the Rocky and Apollo meet up in the hospital. See, everyone loves those. I like them too, but you know what would make me smile more?

Is if they were in the back of an ambulance with a big-ass check for all the money that they actually are worth. That would make me a lot happier. You know that picture that everybody puts up on twitter all the time of dana connor and lorenzo just like laughing it up over some whiskey talking about how much money they made they they should cut right to that luke every single time all right i'm a week late on this but everybody and their mother has sent me anderson silva's son gabriel getting sent to the dark depths here in this kickboxing bout good god he gets torn up here he just I don't know if he's hurt yeah he's hurt here so whatever you can't

just oh man I mean they're sending me referee referee kind of fucked him over too he should have intervened a little bit earlier I had one guy that sent me like three different angles of it I was like you know one right here you got to stop it and he just good. Good Lord. All right, speaking of the aforementioned Hamzat Shemaev, Luke, there's talks that he could be in line for a Gilbert Burns fight, excuse me, but how about this, Luke? He tweeted at Nate Diaz, I'm ready for you, holding up two firearms.

Is he talking about fighting, Luke, or is he going to kill him? I mean, what are we doing here? He's a different one. What's he watching on the TV? Can you blow that back up? I don't know what that is. That looks like one of your intensely violent international gun movies, right?

Yeah, I mean, I doubt he's watching Sleepless in Seattle. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like Kurosawa, he makes magical. You've got mail. Yeah. he's right yeah i mean i doubt he's watching sleepless in seattle you know yeah yeah i mean like curacao you've got mail yeah uh luke let's go to the king no sorry let's stop one more uh aew had a pay-per-view over the weekend as i mentioned this is junior dos santos landing a suplex into get this luke a standing moonsault. Holy shit, right? Watch it. By the way, the gentleman in the sweatsuit, Luke, on the ring apron is none other than Dan Lambert of ATT, who took a... I couldn't find video of it, but he took a stapler to the ball bag

from Chris Jericho, and then he also did the job to Jericho and took the pin to end that street fight. Listen, if Junior is happy and he's making money, I'm not going to hate on it, but I'm also definitely not going to watch. Andre Arlovsky was also in that. Yeah, that's right, Luke. I did throw out that idea. Like, hey, if Showtime could pay the money for us to get front row EW tickets,

we should go, but I'm not going to lie. Like, I love EW. I'm just not really watching the wrestling anymore. Maybe you and I should go to a jam band concert to make up for that. Listen, I will go. If you can find one quick enough, I'd even go first. But if we go, you're going to fucking Cannibal Corpse in February, and that's the end of it.

Or maybe like a badass jazz concert. Like if Sons of Kemet comes around next spring. That's a contradiction in terms. Oh, wow. Okay. Hey, I mentioned the King of Connecticut, Glover Teixeira. Let's go on a little run here of showing his celebration this was him arriving in danbury connecticut on the plane ride back from winning the ufc light heavyweight title in abu dhabi look this just feels good to watch

right now where are you in this crowd uh i'm i'm not there i don't know is this an airport a train station i don't know but shout out to danbury, Connecticut. What is Danbury, Connecticut like? We talked about this before. It's a city on the New York state line. People always say, look, all the lawn care workers that provide for all the rich towns on the Connecticut coast, they all live in Danbury, but it's kind of like one of those

cities where a lot of hard workers live there. It's a little edgy, but my sister went to college there at Western Connecticut State University. It is what it is, Luke. Big time Brazilian and Portuguese population, as is my hometown of Naugatuck, Connecticut, so I can get down with my folks there. Luke, let's keep it going.

They had a parade this weekend, and Glover got the key to the city in Danbury, only in pure factory town MMA style. They drove him around in a damn tractor, Luke. What are we doing here, right? Are they giving him hay rides at the fucking pumpkin patch? What the fuck is that, man? I do love this, though. God bless Glover.

I'm happy for him, but he deserved a little bit better than that. Jesus Christ. That's an Ariel Helwani tweet we're putting on this show. Shout out to our friend in the industry there. But there's his boxing coach right there, Luke. I that guy's name but uh yeah there you go all right i mean they're gonna take him to the haunted house after this what the fuck are they doing yeah this was i don't i don't understand the hook here right now you know what what i don't get it i don't get it but you know when real madrid wins the la liga they get to get in the whole bus and

the top of it and then it's like you know the, but yeah, but look at the community embrace this, this, this, this pure man. I mean, nobody else is going to show up in like a camouflage UFC hat and like a bomber jacket that Johnny Dakota gave Zach Morris. And that's saved by the bell episode. You know what I mean?

Well, good, good for him. And any award and praise he gets, he has deserved it. Tenfold. I'll say that. Absolutely.

Look, let's go to the fun shit. Now this is from Canada. It was a soccer match. You know, when. I'll say that. Absolutely. Luke, let's go to the fun shit now. This is from Canada. It was a soccer match. You know when those drunk guys run on the field? Oh, I saw this one. Bop! That's a great open field tackle right there.

Shirtless man down. Dude, I gotta say, a lot of times these security guards guys, they try to pull someone down. You know what I mean? They don't try and tackle too, too hard. I know there's a lot of cases where they get tackled like vicious but you know i've seen a lot of ones where it was not so bad dude this security guard was like you can sue us all you want i'm murdering you i mean he actually hurt himself against the fence there he didn't care luke that's vicious right this is like sean taylor tackling that kicker at the uh at the pro bowl

remember that oh yeah oh yeah you just lit that that guy on fire what do you would he have been this aggressive if this guy was naked though sean taylor no this this oh this guy right here oh yeah i think he wanted that scalp dude look he he does the goldberg spear right is that what they called it yeah but if that guy was naked you get the scalp and the and the bag. You'd get it all there, okay? Listen, you got to risk it for the biscuit. You know what I'm saying, BC? Hey, Dazon had a second card from England on Saturday afternoon. It produced two big moments.

How about 35-year-old Kiko Martinez, the former world champion? Get it? He rallied back against Kid Galahad to claim another world title. Luke, look at this one-punch finish to open round six. He just let him go. Amazing win. Kiko's been around for... The Spanish had a good weekend for combat sports.

Big win for Spain. He's managed and promoted by the great Sergio Martinez as well. Big win for Kiko Martinez right there. But, Luke, the big story was American Alicia Baumgartner went in against Terry Harper for the women's 130-pound title. And check out this finish. Stops her on her feet. You got Michaela Mayer calling her out for a fight.

This was a big win for the U.S. here. This is going to be on extra credit as well. Oh, nice. It's a rare stoppage with somebody on their feet there. Terry Harper was out cold. Look at that. Yeah, I mean, but look. It's a good stoppage with somebody on their feet there. Terry Harper was out cold. Look at that. Yeah, I mean, but look. It's a good stoppage.

She iced her. That right hand completely iced her. Luke, let's play your favorite game, Rate That Tat. Here's a UK boxing fan who got a Gervonta Davis tattoo and also got one of noted British promoter Eddie Hearn. What do you think of this? Can we zoom in? That's a good tattoo.

I mean, I wouldn't want Eddie Hearn on my leg like this, but yeah. I would not want it, but that's a good tattoo. That's a very well done tattoo. New Bellator lightweight champion, Patrycki Pitbull Freyday, Luke. We didn't talk about this last week, but he has a new tattoo of himself on his right arm. Your thoughts? And he's dressed as a knight or like a shogun

or something? Yes. Pretty badass. It's pretty badass. You gotta say it. It's not my favorite. It's not my favorite. Can we zoom in one more time? Look, I'm not one of getting a picture of myself on my body, but that's pretty badass, Luke, if you're a fighter. And it's a full sleeve.

Yeah, but you see a lot of them. Who has it? Tiago Mejeta has it on his arm and in his shin. He's got tattooed armor. I'm not one of these guys who's like, this is not quite that. I mean, that's almost like a biomech tattoo, sort of. This is not that. But, you know, these like super macho tattoos, I'm not super into them. Personally, I'm not super into them.

Luke, remember last week when we showed the picture of the dress worn by Oscar De La Hoya's new girlfriend? Yes, the one that barely had any fabric. Turns out her name is Holly Saunders. She's a former Golf Network host. Look at what she did to show her love for Oscar. She got his 1992 gold medal winning stance

on her back. You better hope this is a permanent relationship, Luke, because that tattoo... That's a very well done tattoo. I will say that. That's a really well done tattoo, actually. say that like that's a really well done tattoo actually um but as a tattoo choice uh it's a little different um she basically she wrote a message on instagram

saying like for the guy that has everything i wanted to give you a gift you know that no one's given you and he responded on her ig saying i've never felt love in my life like this. So, look, I got to wish Oscar well, right? Yeah, that's a great tattoo. You're showing me some pretty decent tattoos. I'm not a favorite of the Petricky one, but other ones are pretty good. I mean, I don't see the radiant and talented Mrs. Thomas getting a tattoo of your mug on her back. Yeah, probably by choice. Okay. Just in case. Just in case. All right, let's keep it going. Just in case Yeah, probably by choice. Okay, just in case.

Just in case. All right, let's keep it going. Just in case I get hit by a bus tomorrow, you know. Here are your shirts of the week from this couple visiting Disney World, Luke. So I didn't know this was a thing until I went to Disney World where families or couples or whatever groups

will wear shirts commemorating them going to disney at the disney event they're going to it's a major thing even my wife who's not even this type of person my wife got all of us shirts the last time we went oh she did you did that she once said you know mom dad once said the kid's name written in the disney letters yeah i mean she's not even that type and she did did it. So it's a thing. I mean, this is up there with the Yadong jokes, which were funny the first 89 billion. How old?

I mean, how old and unfun? First of all, suck my balls, number one. Number two, I'm not telling you they're not funny. What I'm telling you is they were funny the first 90 billion times you did them. guess my question is are we going to just do this until he dies like on his obituary we're going to write yadong lol is that what's going to happen here well i mean i'm not doing it to to take shots at uh yadong and some somehow this spurred a retread of oh luke's co-host is the racist guy against asians no that's not no no no no no it's not that it's got nothing to do with that.

The guy's name sounds funny. I get it. My only point is that everyone does it every time. Well, Jeremy Oakman slid into my IG DMs and was like, did you see the weigh-ins? Your dong looks small. And I was like, oh, you got me there. You got me.

Yeah, you got me there. All right. I mean, you know, I get it. They were funny the you 90 billion times knowing your stance as a historic curmudgeon you came out very get off my lawn ish with that tweet you should probably delete it of course of course you guys can get the fuck off my lawn and i'm right about it you listen here's what i've learned i'm just ahead of the curve on some of this shit you guys will come around to this position eventually yeah we'll come around when we're an old bastard

sitting on a porch with a shotgun talking about how these kids these days. Yeah, look, I can't wait to meet you. The only thing that would happen with a shotgun is you would get a black eye as it recoils into your face from you handling it improperly. Anyway, let's go to BKFC from Miami. No, I'm not going to show you Britt Beltran's victory over

Pearl Gonzalez, but look, the press conference between Hector Lombard and Lorenzo Hunk got crazy again. Rememberector Lombard and Lorenzo Hunt got crazy again. Remember, Lombard gave him a two-piece? Lombard had given him a two-piece after his last win, which really set this fight up. Hunt would go on to win a decision, but I love that move, taking the belt and just slamming it to the ground, Luke. Didn't Hector lose this weekend? Yes, as I just said, Hunt won a decision.

Okay, so this is... I'm just trying... I'm confused. This is pre...? This is like last Wednesday. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, dude, they get busy over there. BKFC, bro, that's where...

That's where the crazy shit happens. That's the edge. That's the strained edge of um sanctioned combat sports that's what it looks like well you'll see anything else you just can't sanction bkfc offering all kinds of weird shit including at friday's weigh-in here's dustin peg wearing the borat from he's from dc he's from dc yeah yeah what are we what really luke what are we don't you have to don't you i mean this wasn't a scheduled Manscaped ad read, Luke, but this guy can use the lawnmower, correct?

I thought he was super Christian. I don't know what this is about. Yeah, men are disgusting. What can I tell you? We are just horrendous creatures. If you're going to go to this level for this bit, you probably should clean that up a little. Okay?

Okay. All right. He needs a lawnmower 4.0, BC. That's what he needs. Also in greater Miami this weekend, of course, was Bellator 271 on Friday. And you know who's getting a lot of disputed polarizing takes on Twitter? Valerie Lareda, who bounced back from her first loss to Hannah Guy by taking a split decision from 5'9", 38-year-old soccer mom Taylor Turner.

So Luke... And then she does the stripper thing, yeah. So not only did Lareda refuse the post-fight hug, watch this. Post-fight hug hug get away from me i'm not saying she can't do these dances luke i'm saying you struggled to beat somebody who's five and nine it was a split decision and you're gonna you know dance on the grave and celebrate like like we're like we're like it's raining right now um luke i'm sorry. It's not a good look. If this is your gimmick and you're winning fights

and you're making improvements, I felt her performance here was, you know, like a lateral step back. And I know she went afterwards. She was crying after she won and saying the media is always, you know, whatever. Yeah, what did you make of her saying that the media was unfair?

I'm like, I don't think they're unfair. Granted, of course, I have my own perspective. She has hers. But I don't think they're unfair at all. In fact, I think they've been generous, if anything. Well, to her point, she said the media is unfair, but I brought this on. And, you know, she's trying. But I just look, I'm not saying like that it wasn't a lot for her to come back from her first defeat and still believe in herself, but to do this dance and then to have tears,

like, Luke, they gave her a soft opponent, and she struggled to, I mean, it was a split decision. She struggled to show dominance over that soft opponent. I mean, look, no disrespect to Taylor Turner. She's been in there before. She beat Heather Hardy. She lost Alejandro Lara. But, Luke, I mean, dude, that striking was laughable.

So I'm just saying maybe save that stuff for the big moments. But it is what it is. You know who had a big moment? Welterweight Roman. I'm just never going to tell, you know, dance, ladies. Dance if you want to is my view. All right right so you'll be the old guy that says no more dong jokes but you won't be the old guy i mean i understand i'm doing a bit like i understand your point about like if you're going to celebrate like that it needs to be you know commensurate

with a performance that merits that kind of a thing i think for her i don't want to speak for her but it seems like her response would be well she got the she got back in the winning side of things which i think she was mostly happy about i think she took this fight on short notice relatively like six weeks so not like perfect um but yeah dude at some point she's got to figure out what she's doing here are we doing the whole like um you know which is totally within her right like sex appeal like online figure or fighter you it's hard to do both kind of have to make a choice based on the pictures pictures you texted me, I would say the former, Luke. Could be.

Could be. All right, you know who won this night, though? Welterweight Roman Feraldo. 6-0 with six knockouts. This dude. Look at that. Taunting and the finish. Shades of, Luke, shades of future champion Kevin Lee against Gregor Gillespie

with the way the head hit the cage there. So to watch this, he talked to them after he rocked him with the left hand. He also fainted like he was going to spin. He doesn't, lands the left hook, and then just called his shot. Bop, got the guy to duck right into it. What do you think about him calling out highly ranked Jason Jackson after this, even though he's only 6-0 with six knockouts love it love it let's see it this guy looks good I had never heard of him candidly so I'll pretend I won't pretend like I did he looked good and also Cody Law remains

undefeated uh on the prelim card he looked good as well I think I think Roman Feraldo is an ATT guy as well the only problem is, he beat Robert Turnquist, who missed weight by 7.8 pounds for this fight. Could have been. Was he last minute? I don't know what the issue was. Yeah, he wasn't beating a high-quality opponent, but, you know, what are you going to do?

All right, Luke. Great sound caught in weird context. Here we go. Uriah Faber talking about Frankie Edgar. Obviously, as a younger Frankie, he wasn't as susceptible to being knocked out. That's something that happens with age. I don't care how tight something is. You pound on it over the years, it's going to loosen a bit. So, obviously, as a younger Frankie, he wasn't as susceptible to being knocked out. Luke, in your travels, can you confirm that that's true um you know i'd also say the human anatomy is quite resilient but when it comes to taking punches

not that resilient uh yeah all right uh shout out to the schmo look at you like that haircut little old school like brian Bosworth type shit going on? I didn't notice it. What did he do? Can we zoom in? It's a little vanilla ice, right? It is a little vanilla ice. I mean, that's on brand for our guy, the schmo, right? He goes after it, Luke.

He goes after it. Oh, he doesn't. Listen, he's his own man. Let him be. Let him do his thing. Cook, player, cook. All right, Luke, you're really here to see drunk chicks do ridiculous things right yeah i mean where the fuck has that been jesus where's that the old guy hey this fine lady getting the boot right here check this out luke

what the fuck oh right okay okay that explains it yeah she ain't no ronnie deutsch i'll tell you that much lu Luke. Wow. You know what? That's actually a pretty stupid but also kind of funny bit. I actually kind of like that. By the way, I meant to tell you this. So I went to, when I was in Brussels, I went to the actual and original Delirium Tremens Cafe. You've had this beer before, right?

Delirium Tremens? Oh, it's incredible. Yeah, yeah. It's amazing. So I went to the actual cafe with the pink elephants and everything, and they have a boot behind the counter. You cannot buy it, but you can rent it for free. But here's the bit. They'll fill it up with whatever you want,

and you pay for however much that costs. You have to give them 50 euros, and you can have the boot. When you give the boot back, they'll give you your 50 euros back, but it's sort of like collateral in case something happens to it. It's a giant glass boot that they will fill with booze so i did that in brussels i had two of them shits and i was fucking hammered at that so look as you may remember from me when our great beer challenge and all that i strongly dislike belgium style beers it's like just putting a stick of butter in the budweiser but this is the only beer and one of the only beers in that

category and i get people go that's the real beer okay that's cool that's cool but this when i tried this when i bought this one time i remember specifically luke i bought the 16 ounce bottle that's like what like 13 or whatever i drank the whole thing in one sitting i stood up i was like my high this is a different buzz right now like it was it was some strong shit in there luke what did they put in yes it's high alcohol content i'm not sure what the abv is but all those belgian beers typically are they got high abv all right luke we call this category only in south florida i'm sure you can assume what's happening next but check out this busy intersection this can't be this can't be safe luke can we zoom in can we zoom in here propane

tanks fell off nothing like spilling 10 protein tanks in a crowded intersection in miami that's great jesus i mean what the fuck guy i mean those are not light like you can't rush them they're if they're full you know it takes a second to go get them all you know i mean nothing like hitting a car into a propane tank that'll'll end great. Bro, this is how they should do Strongman. Just do all the events in the middle of Florida traffic. Yeah, nobody would notice. Well, speaking of South Florida, let's go to the beach for this selfie, Luke.

I don't really know how to analyze this. Wait for it. Wait for it. Zoom in. Wait for it. I see an ass. Oh, what are we doing yeah yeah okay they did it all for the gram and the nookie it turns out I've done this when I've had a

remarkably itchy rear end yeah can you imagine raising this person and then you find out later in life what they've been doing and you're like, dude, let me explain something to you. This person's father failed. Failed. This person's father gives out Arby's tickets at Halloween. There's no question about it. Yeah, this person's father hands out Roy Rogers coupons at Halloween.

You understand that? All right. Luke, hey, Conor McGregor's social media game is a shit show these days, but he shouted you out this past week. I don't know if you saw this. Can we blow this tweet up? Can you read it, Luke? India invented chess, invented yoga. I shouldn't do that.

They even thought us how to count. Einstein said we owe a lot to the Indians. There is even a golden temple in india that feeds a hundred thousand people a day for free man the indians are fucking awesome if you are indian i say thank you luke forget about veterans day today like connor i say thank you because you your people you and your people are fucking awesome um you're an idiot, but I appreciate that. Thank you. Luke, do not turn your back.

It's like, here's what this is equivalent to, Luke. I could suddenly announce that my house is sovereign territory and my wife could give birth and I could say, this is Lithuanian. This is Lithuania right here, adjacent. This is sovereign territory. My kids are not Americans. I could do something like that, Luke,

but it would have the same meaning as you declaring you're not an Indian citizen. BC, you just recited to me the synopsis of a Family Guy episode to make your argument, so I'm just going to let that live in infamy. How about that? Okay, let's keep this weird show going. Let's go to regional mma luke where anything can happen how about penn state stud bo nickel of att luke here's his

second amateur fight and once again he gets a finish uh let's call him up to the big leagues already he's a he's a dynamic wrestler three-time national champion and i watched two of those championships live they were not very close he is is about as blue chip as they come. But, as you indicated, just two fights. He has a long way to go. I put him on there because my neighbor loves the guy. He talks about him all the time. All right, let's keep it going here.

SFFN6, whatever the hell that means. Marcio Taccato with an insane KO to make this week's countdown. Oh. Oh, that left took off the clinch break, and I think he switched stances. Let's see. I have to go back and watch it again. That's a nice left hook. What cage is this?

What's that white backdrop, Luke? What are we doing? So do you remember when Dream one time used the white cage? Hold on. No, he did not switch stances. I don't remember. He changed his angles a little bit yeah um they used like a white surface and then a white pads and then the fence itself was white and it was if i could recall i again someone correct me on the details i believe it was

tuna netting it was tuna netting that obviously you can imagine tuna fishing is huge in Japan, and they use that. And I think the fighters were saying that it fucking hurt to get pressed up against it in more ways than normal. I just don't understand that white wall in the background. That's pretty weird. But that's the regional MMA scene. All right, two quick ones for you, Luke.

Here's a good way to spend your Saturday night when you're unemployed and single? How many times have you done that? I actually never have. I witnessed a guy do it inside the ESPN newsroom once. Shout out to UFC's Steve Guyatt, a fantastically talented video producer who I used to work with at ESPN.

Go back. I want to just watch this Darwin Award. You know, live and breathe. I mean, just watch this Darwin Award, you know, live and breathe. I mean, look at this. Just, you can't. I mean, look, what really sells it for me is not that he lit us far on fire, but rather the look of sheer panic at the very end. This is one of those where I'd love to see what happened next. Did he completely go up in flames, Luke?

I hope. I really do all right finally luke speaking of your old man ways this is probably you in about 25 years when your daughter has or probably less than that when your daughter has her first alcoholic at party and you walk home to it here is how you break up your kids party zoom in please oh this motherfucker got the the saw yeah bro where i come from where i come from the saw is the law everybody out all right no dong jokes all right it's called a cover everybody out all right wait wait hold on you can kill me for the dong stuff that's fine it is called a cover you cannot call it a hat all right i love your i love you no-sold, though, the text I sent you.

I wish I could shout out the guy who sent it to me on Instagram. From the Paris Island Marines Museum Facebook account, they showed the history of the Marine cover. Dude, hold on a second. Are you under the impression that what you're about to say is that what it's actually called is a hat? Because I will warn you, there isn't a single person who has ever served in the marine corps that will back that up no one and i mean no one calls it two marines might have been called that

in the 20s and the teens is possible but under modern parlance it is never ever ever referred to as a hat ever it is a campaign cover for the for the drill instructors and everyone else it's just a cover it's okay not only did i have marines reach out to me and say luke luke is being ridiculous he's being pedantic he's not dude never in my entire i've never been on a base or talked to any other Marine that ever called it a hat. Ever. Ever. You old pedantic bitch. Literally not one time. And also... You can kill me for the Yadong stuff,

because that is old man shit 100%. I'm guilty as charged, no doubt about it. But the cover is just what it's called, bro. It's just what it's called. Well, I saw two Marines at the Patriots game yesterday, and I almost stopped them to ask them. You should have. I thought they'd give me a dirty look.

Luke, from the USMC Museum Paris Island Facebook account, the history of the field cover, also known as the field hat. Come on, Luke, okay? Yeah, dude, no one calls it a hat. Yeah, 19-whatever it may have been, no one calls it a hat. In 1912, Marines calling the hat a field hat? I mean, come on, it's the history. Yes, yes, pre--world war one perhaps it was

mixed i'm telling you dude so here's what happens let me just give you a quick explanation of this when you show up to paris island they tell you that things that have names no longer have names some of those things are names that are you never heard before some of them are names for things you already have previously named like you may not know this. You can't say the left side of the room or the right side of the room. You have to say, I see what you're doing. You're being an asshole. You have to say the port side of the room or the starboard side of the room. It is not the front or the back. It is the bow or the aft, which obviously comes from being a part of the Navy. They're not called sneakers. They're called go fasters. They're not called windows or no glasses.

They're called portholes, whatever the fuck they call them. Anyway, it's not a hat. It's a cover. It will always be a cover. It will never not be a cover. It's not a hat. You will not find another Marine who calls it a hat. It's not possible.

It's just not what they're called. Yes, fog up those fucking lenses, you douchebag. I like how you're like, I'm super pro-military. You're the most insulting fuck I know. Do you really mean to say after six years I'm making this up like that's not what we learned? We learned that shit on day one.

Day one. Not a hat. Cover. With my field hat on, I will say thank you I hope you suffocate we got time for odds and ends asshole what do you got

I was actually going to walk off I forgot about it alright yeah so Luke here's the deal you know I may be a Showtime guy but Showtime's doing some good shit right now. Did you happen to see the all-access epilogue of Canelo Plant, which debuted Saturday night?

Did you see that? I did. I did. I thought it was fucking great. I really want to shout out not only Showtime, who does a great job on that series in general, but both Canelo and Caleb Plant. If you watch it, it basically recaps from Friday morning before the fight all the way through the end of it with the inside moments.

And really the way they film and capture the fight itself and get comments from those. I mean, I didn't know Jamal Charlo was sitting ringside telling his brother, I could beat Canelo. I was like fired up when I heard that. Luke, the respect shown by Caleb and Canelo afterwards when they were mic'd up, hugging each other. And, you know, Caleb just looking for that respect from Canelo and saying, I would never disrespect your mother. And, you know, Canelo saying, you know, you're part of my family now. I respect you. I love you.

I mean, that was just, Luke, again, in a sport without, like, legitimately touching moments, that was one of those, like, real men stuff right there. I appreciate that. But really, I want to shout out, we always say 30 days free on showtime and you can get some good stuff how about the kevin garnett documentary anything is possible it debuted last week uh our good buddy brian daly who was a big part of that getting that launched in showtime digital um that is a fantastic watch whether you're a you know hardcore kg fan like myself as a Celtics fan or not. To see the intensity on full display of KG as he relives his career, you really get to know the man. But some of the storytelling and the behind-the-scenes stuff, it's hilarious. It's insightful.

It was a fantastic watch, one of the better docs in recent years. So anyone out there, if you're getting your 30 days free, it doesn't cost anything, folks. This would be a hell of a watch looking back at KG's run. No doubt about it. No doubt about it. That's a great point. Also, with the epilogue for All Access

for Canelo versus Plant, I know there was the video that went viral about a week or so ago after the fight where Canelo is being talked to by Plant. Like, yeah, I'm pretty good, huh? Like, I got your respect, huh? That kind of a thing. And folks are like, oh, here's Plant looking for respect.

This is weak. This is weak sauce. And it's like, I don't love that per se. But, dude, like in the end, Plant got Canelo's respect. That's enough for me, right? Like, whatever else they did in the round, like it was a little strange to do that. It's a little strange to do that,

but he earned my respect with the way he fought. He clearly earned Canelo's respect with the way he fought. To me, like there should be no more controversy about that. Absolutely. You and I had a conversation with that off here. I was like, you know, how do you, how do you take this? A lot of people ripping him, but you're right. You know, he part, what this was about for, for Caleb Plant plant was winning but it was about showing canelo and showing everyone that he

really is that good and luke i've seen some people you know go okay that was okay he survived a while but was he really trying to win caleb plant fought a very good fight luke you know it turns out he was fighting the best in the world and and he did better than a lot of canelo opponents and and uh i think this will elevate him moving forward. And there was a nice little exchange on the all-axis between him and Jermall Charlo, where Caleb's like, I'll see you. I'll see you in the ring someday.

And Jermall welcomed it. And there's some fun matches to make in the PBC in and around the 168-pound division moving forward, so it should be good. Just for me is BKFC results, BC. And your girl got it done again. Britton Hart defeated Pearl Gonzalez via unanimous decision. She got two 48-47s, one 49-46. I actually watched it.

I had a 48-47, although I understand what the 49. I don't think it's that crazy. Pearl Gonzalez was a game opponent, especially in the third round. I thought she'd done some good work. But, dude, Britton Hart gets the win bc if i mean it's not mma it's bk uh fc or you know bare knuckle fighting but i mean is she your prototypical candidate for a factory town mma sponsorship it feels like she is oh i thought you were going to say women's fight of the year in combat sports fighter of the year i was like i think you're right yeah look she she she bleeds uh factory town mma in fact i

should probably make her a spokesman for the brand uh she has officially changed her name and social media now to britain beltran since the marriage to joey beltran but i saw some people saying she didn't deserve this decision it was a hard fight you see that finishing sequence her face is all cut open and she's getting in pearl's face talking there were people who thought pearl gonzalez won yeah there were there were some people but But that was another gritty performance. Look, to be fair, Bretton Hart's had some pro boxing matches, but look, she didn't come into this newfound stardom

as like a, forget household name, as anybody really recognizing her as anything. She's taken this platform and really made something. It's good to see. She's fun. She talks that shit. It's fun to see. I'll say this.

I think it's good to see. She's fun. She talks that shit. It's fun to see. I'll say this. I think it's good to see people who are better. Like, it kind of would have taken the steam out of BKFC if MMA fighters just go over there and immediately just take over. You know what I mean? It's good to see somebody who tries to make BKFC their primary lane of success. I'm sure Britton Hart has experimented with other combat sports, but this is obviously her best road to achieving her goals

and has made that her bread and butter, this particular style of fighting. Because without that, it's just going to be MMA leftovers. This kind of changed the game up a little bit for her and for the sport. So that's good to see. By the way, Marcus Brimage was on this card. Really? thought he was done so but i'm still waiting for that connor rematch maybe we

get that in uh bkfc uh luke i i apologize to you and any other veteran if that if my shtick comes across as annoying corny or blasphemous you know i respect you and i know i mean i treat the flag and believe it or not and the uniform with such reverence that when I see some asshole hippie who bought some piece of military uniform from a Salvation Army store, I typically want to strangle him. But, you know, that's not legal, so I don't. The only thing you can do after. I don't like it when you do that, but, you know, it's all in good fun.

The only thing you can do after bad offensive comedy is apologize. Luke, I've done that to our staff many times. I'm sorry, Luke. Yeah, but that's more so just because you're you more than it was like a bad offensive comedy. You are bad offensive comedy. Okay. BC, I think that's it for today.

Oh, do we have anything else to read? No, I think we can do it after the show. All right. Do you want to do a third hour, Luke? We might as well just keep going, you know? We could. We could. It's that kind of a show.

Let's remind folks to check out Showtime. We give Showtime a lot of love on this goddamn show. So Showtime.com, 30-day free trial. If you like it, you can keep it. And if not, you can do something else. You can watch Bellator. You can watch boxing. And you can watch KG's documentary and a shitload of other things all right there.

And if you don't like it, you can just dump it and go do something else. So there you go. You can email the show for Wednesdays, fan subs, Fridays,

Dead Wrong, morningcombat at gmail.com is going to be the place for that. And don't forget our merch, like this one, morningcombat.store is going to be the place. BC, what's the update on drug rugs?

Anything? They're coming. That's where we're at right now. They're coming. Okay? We're making a big push to the Christmas, sorry, the holiday-themed one that's coming out. Also, gift cards are available at MorningCombat.store. Ooh, that's right.

That's right. If you always hear your hubby laughing about this show, or if you're one of our female, apparently we have real female listeners, Luke. I mean. You know, shout out to Melissa Loves Nachos, big time fan of our show. Yes, that's true. That's true.

That's true. But, you know, how many normal, well, how many normal males or females do we have watching this show? By the way, the wonderful New Jersey couple that offered us a spot in their home, Luke, and dinner, they did reach out and the guy showed me a copy of both his license

and his marijuana card, and we're like, no, we're legit. We're for real. If you guys want to come over, we will not steal your organs. So, Luke. Dude, I think we should do that shit. Yeah, his wife's from Italy. We got to take that gamble. We got to roll that dice, okay?

Let's do that. Listen, most of the people, if we did this, we'd show up to their house, and they'd be like, wow, your house is nubs. I don't want to be here. And, you know, that might make a make terrible conversation but we could go over there i could blow up their bathroom we could drink their wine and then we could just leave you know what i'm saying we should make that a recurring bit not a documentary but like a in wwf in your house mk comes to your house and you know it will we'll make fun of all your stuff and and you'll feed us and we'll just you know it's great. Yeah, listen, we'll go to your house.

I'll roast your cable management. BC, we'll try and bang your wife, and then we'll leave. No, no, no, no, no, Luke. All right, all right. That's great. That's all I got. Let's see what else we got to do. You can give us a review on Apple and a bunch of other places.

Okay, so don't lose sight. Extra credit is coming after the show. We're back on Wednesday. We got a lot to do. So that's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. You can follow us all over social media right there on the bottom of the screen if you like, and if you're listening, it's Morning Combat everywhere.

All right, that is it for Brian Campbell from MoCA for Showtime. For CBS Sports, I'm Luke Thomas. Until next time, may all of your gains be loyal.