MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC Rio: Charles Oliveira Subs Gamrot, Wants Max Holloway | Alvarez vs Luque | Jaron Ennis KO Win

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

On today's edition of Morning Kombat, Luke Thomas and Brian Campbell breakdown everything from UFC Rio, starting with the main event between Charles Oliveira and Mateusz Gamrot. Also, Joel Alvarez beat Vicente Luque, but not without referee controversy in the opening round. Plus, the rest from UFC Rio including: Deiveson Figueiredo getting back in the win column, former BJJ champ Bia Mesquita scoring a dominant win and is Mario Pinto a name worth paying attention to?  And Jaron 'Boots' Ennis effortlessly blasted out Uisma Lima in the first round. Is a showdown opposite Vergil Ortiz next? Start your week off right with a dose of MK on a Monday!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No, no, no, but like they had, I mean, we'll talk about a topic too, I think because they had like an on air. I mean, I guess it was a one way spat, but like John Gooden and Michael Bisping had a bit have like a on a little one of an on air spat and let me talk let me talk yeah it was yeah a little bit of that and uh it's probably worth having a conversation about yeah i mean we've had a few of those too we have absolutely had a few i i may have generated one of those a time or two you know what i mean so yeah well done right there uh anything else going on in your personal life that you're willing to tell the people including any recent medical diagnoses no i had a physical actually everything came out pretty good i was actually pretty impressed by that i was like all right i'm not i'm not i'm not

dying yet. Not bad for a guy with blood in his stool, right? Yeah. And very, very regularly at that point. Okay. That's not true. That's not true. That's not true. That's not true. That's not true. Okay. Big announcement today from the UFC. Dana White later this afternoon. What's your prediction for that announcement? 323 main. And that's what? December 6th at Las Vegas? I believe that's right. Yes. Okay. What are we thinking here? Not not Volk. Evelo Eve? So definitely you're one way or the other, you're going to get Pantoja, right? Pantoja and Van. I think that's a foregone conclusion at this point.

The question is what you're going to put around it. Now, the conventional thinking is Ilya Justin will go in January because you want to take obviously what your best guy in a sport or whoever you want, whatever you want to call I at this point to like, you know, start the Paramount era off with a huge bang. That would make sense. But you've got to do something for December. It's the last pay-per-view. I think it's either going to be Marab, defending against somebody.

Payot or Jan, you know, in the rematch. Yeah, Jan. And the other one is people have said Volk Ibloyev, but then I've seen the people who are more reputable say that that's not necessarily true. So I think it's going to be amazing. If my understanding is correct, the very

last event on the UFC ESPN era is an apex event. So the last pay-per-view could potentially be a flyweight headliner. You know what I mean? Like, that's not out of the realm of possibility. I think we might get Sugar-Shahn

and Yadong on that as well. So there could be some things worth getting. But, I mean, we got a David Onama, Steve Garcia main event coming up at the APEC. You can't believe it. Like, it generally is like what, this is LFA cards are like, have more meaning. Well, that's not quite true.

But I mean, I've seen XFC cards with Juan Archiletta in the main event. You know what I mean? And looked good. Yeah. Look good doing it, you know. Absolutely. All right. Hey, why don't we just.

He's good too. Why don't we just hit it and hit it hard here with topic? Number one. Hey, it went down in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil on Saturday. Hey, great to see the UFC back in one of its original hotbeds. The crowd was slow at first, but boy, did they come alive and come off fire once Charles, Predator de Bronx, Olivera, got right back to his winning ways, despite losing three out of five coming in against elite foes, being knocked out just four months ago by Ilya in their

vacant fight and being less than a week from his 30. 36th birthday, Olivera reminded us who's still got it. It's definitely him right now in the main event needing not that much time to go cutting through Mateo Scamrod like a hot knife through butter right there, submitting the Polish lightweight in the second round and immediately after the fight, calling for a BMF showdown with one Max Holloway, more on that to come. But LT, I think for the second straight week, you felt what I felt, from Poetton winning to sort of of restore order to some of our beloved fighters here at the top of the game in MMA to now

Olavera, who was fighting off retirement questions leading into last week. I'd love to know how impressed you were by what he did to Gamrop, but maybe even more importantly, why was the reaction from the crowd in that arena to MMA fans around the globe being like this guy just won the world championship again? It was a great feel-good moment. It was a it was a a triumphant moment. I mean, I suppose if he asked Charles, I mean, I couldn't speak for him, but it seems plausible that if you ask him about what are the most high watermark moments in his professional career, what would they be? And I suspect that winning a UFC title or even defending it, whatever, would be on the order of like the number one or number two answer. But

I got to say, to your point, B.C., maybe it's not. Maybe it's something like Saturday night, which was just an absolute insane moment of ascendancy. I mean, I don't know. I don't no, everyone's going to feel a little bit differently, but to me, Charles Olavera just kind of embodies and represents for us, MMA joy. The joy you get from MMA, it seems like so pure when you get to watch Charles Olavera, particularly come back from very, very difficult circumstances. By his own admission, he kind of very briefly, but at least toyed with the idea of hanging it up. I mean, it was a devastating, vicious loss, unlike any other he'd ever had in his very long and storied career so of course you understand there was a bit of a homecoming vibe right that kind of ups the ante

it's a huge triumphal at triumphal moment because of obviously what he had suffered previously but i just think there's something like universal about the like the language that he kind of speaks as a fighter bc not verbally but you know uh in broader ways he is action oriented and he is you know fun and the other part too is like i know everyone loves this era where it's everyone's edgy and edge lordship but I think everyone should take a moment and look around and like Yuri Prohachka, Alex Pereira, and Charles Olavera. Now, obviously, Alex had some allegations that followed him previously, so maybe, you know, that was a little bit more of a qualified example, but certainly in the case of Yuri and in Charles, it's the perception that they're kind of honorable, right? It's the perception that they're kind of

gentlemen of the game in a sense. And I think that that lifts people's spirits to quite, quite candidly, especially in a moment with a sport where it could be, you know, very feast or famine. So it's a lot of factors working together, B.C. Maybe if you disagree, I'd love to hear where, but I think that they're all working in conjunction to give you what we all kind of felt, whether you were in Brazil, the United States, you speak Portuguese, you speak English, or any other language. It just felt great. Yeah, I mean, people love a comeback story. I get what you're saying about really the class that Charles Oliver brings. That's right. He's already had one of the most inspirational stories from going from a, you know, solid out in the UFC to that incredible

11-fight win streak and winning the UFC lightweight championship and doing it in such chaotic, exciting style. Now to see him come out in a fight that was essentially a pick on betting-wise, yet those that know were seemingly picking Gambrot, or those that thought they know, I should say, including us, because he was streaking. He's 34 years old at the peak of his prime, had won four or five and was really looking like this could be his moment. Gamrock came in here to play the spoiler, acted it out perfectly. But what we found instead was an Olivera who was able to just dial it back like it was. I mean, this was a night for Brazil from Davidson Figuerreto to a few others. But man, for a fight night with a former champion that

we thought was going in the other direction, I can't believe it felt this great, not even good, great. Let's see this incredible post-fight photo of Olivera who had a wild celebration afterwards. Here's him standing at the stage around the octagon and looking out at the crowd. Like I said, that crowd started slow. Boy, did it feel like a major league event that had Olivera, by the way, afterwards calling for a stadium fight with him headlining and Poetan in the Coimane. They got a lot of UFC fighters, Brazilian or not Cadeside for this. It felt like a big event for a fight night.

Shout out to Charles Olavera for giving that. And you may remember him running into the crowd very. comparable to what Joseo did in Brazil there against Chad Mendus, I believe. Look, you know that moment. This may be not as emotional or aggressive, but it was pretty damn close. I don't think I can remember any fight night, because this was not a number card, this was a fight night. I don't remember any fight night post-fight celebration that rivals that.

Now, maybe I'm missing one. there have been some great fight night main events but I just don't know which one holds weight and the significance that this one holds. It's remarkable. And look, the numbers are staggering when you talk about what Olivera has accomplished

and the fact that he does not seem to be done yet as he closes in on his 36th birthday. He's been in the UFC for 15 years. He holds records for most appearances. He's now tied for second with Neil Magny for most wins in UFC history at 24, just three. behind Jim Miller. He already holds and extended his records for most finishes, most submissions,

and most post-fight bonuses as well. Jim Miller closing in on a couple of those categories, but it's still Doe Bronx at this point or Predator or whatever. The heck you want to call him at the end of the day. I saw Joe Martinez called him Doe Bronx after the win there. But Luke, what did this tell you? We'll talk about Gamrod and maybe the mistakes he made stylistic. that opened this up, but to see such a dominant, one-sided almost performance here from a guy

who we thought was fading or beginning the fade, where do you think this proves that the number four ranked coming in? Where does Oliver still stand in this division in your eyes? I think he's still, I would say viable as an outside, not top or inside, but outside choice for a title shot. I think, and I know we'll talk about this. I think the perfect, perfect slot is the BMF title. But like, let's just talk about the ability because like what he showed here is obviously quite important. BC, here's the funny part about this. On the one hand, you absolutely have to be heartened by the fact that Olavera started this fight so aggressively. Right? First of all, his bet was correct. His bet was if I just take the fight to this guy, I'm going to mow right through

him. He was right, right? So first of all, he was absolutely connecting the dots in the right way. The other thing, the reason why that's a good thing is because obviously after getting viciously chaoed, a lot of people come back, man, and they just don't have it in them to have the courage to exchange or last or, you know, the same resiliency or fire that they once had. And I didn't see any evidence of that, like zero at all. On the other hand, you do have to consider that, like, this is just kind of the way Oliva fights. He's going to go forward against to pour you when it doesn't make sense he's going to go forward against Islam he's going to go forward against gamrod he's going to go forward against gaitch he's going to go forward against

anybody and so the question is whether the styles make fights but what it also shows i think in the broader picture of bc especially with that omoplatta series and obviously his control from the back dude he is still a nightmare matchup if you are not on the level he is just too good too well-rounded too committed to offense and too dude his his jiu-jitsu is absolutely instinctual. The reason why the timing on everything is so good is because it's just like driving to the grocery store for him. He doesn't think about whether he has to put the signal on and turn left and wait on this road. He can just do it almost freaking blindfolded. That's why his timing never misses in some of this stuff. It's a joy to watch him. He's still a threat. I think

those threats have limits, but they have to be taken seriously too. And I think the real answer BC is, again, we'll get to it here. It's got to be the Max Holloway matchup for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we will get to that shortly. One thing I wanted to interject with, though, not that I want to turn every win into a, how does this reorder the all-time divisional rankings or goat ship or whatever. But I was getting aggressive, aggressive slack messages for my CBS sports colleagues, Brandon Wise, and Brett Brookhouse from this idea that like, holy shit, Olavera might be the second best lightweight ever. And I'm like, no, no, hold on, love him. But like, there's Habib. Islam has four title defenses. Unfortunately, we didn't get to see Islam

and fight sarukin on the way out or toporia in that division but you know you've also got the the lingering legend of b j pen you've also got guys like frankie edgar and benson henderson who had three title defenses each but now the more i start to think about it that impressive run of 11 wins went through a lot of big names i i know one win over gamrot shouldn't change this conversation that aggressively but whether olivera is long for the elite title picture or not You have to believe this guy's going to fight until he's 40, and you have to believe by then he's going to have every single UFC record of longevity on lockdown. I do wonder at the end of the day where he is going to catapult himself historically,

especially if he's not as close to sliding down that hill that is inevitably coming for him than we thought coming in. I mean, how much do you think about the totality of everything Oliver has accomplished? It's significant. Again, I would have, I mean, in order to under, I mean, I feel like Brent and, and, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, and, um, and, and, um, and, and, they are, they are curious to hear more about why they think he could be number two. Like, what, like, what are they basing that? Uh, are they basing that? Uh, I think they're using all of the above. I push back against it, but then I start to do the math and I'm like, I don't, know exactly where you'd put him and i and i don't think he's a better lightweight than then uh islam they went head to head and and you know close enough to their relative primes there that uh but it what i'm basically saying is whether they're right or wrong the conversations are going to change anyway the more he puts distance on these records that he's

getting and soon he'll have wins he'll have wins soon i mean we are talking about the guy with the most finishes in ufc history and the most submission wins in ufc history to exclude him automatically, for example, from the top to, it's like, wow, the guy who's done this the most, you know what I mean? Like, you would automatically have to place that guy in very high esteem. I think the thing that might be missing for me is, and I don't really know how to weigh this stuff, because the guy like Oliva is just going to hang around for a while, and because he is so good, B.C., he's going to do things like he did on Saturday. Now, I can't do that to Islam, or least he didn't when he had the opportunity, but he's definitely going to just mow through guys

like Gamrod, who are very, very good fighters. It's like Habib didn't give us that, but what Habib did is one he gave us basically basically a flawless run and it only got better as it went along like it didn't we didn't recede really on the way up not much um and then the other part is like he kind of helped like either usher in the game or i think helped facilitate bigger changes in how the game was pursued you can't you can't exactly say that about charles he's got a bit of a unique flare that is it more like systemic or broad however to the point we raised previously we're talking about the guy who's literally the best finisher the UFC has ever seen got to be something you could say for that yeah i mean he's going to have that win record he's got a lot of records going on so

shout out to do bronx uh one more delay before we get to holloway i didn't want to circle back on gambra luke i loved how game he was i loved his willingness to call out for this fight i loved a lot of his demeanor within the brazilian chance of you will die and all this stuff ultimately though way too willing to fight olivera at his most dangerous spot and boy did that catch up with him and not to mention when the fight was on its feet I thought he would have a little bit more success

keeping Olivera off of him and he didn't Oliver was lighting him up with punches now credit to Gamrod in the start of that second round you did start to see or maybe it was the end of the first you did start to see some nice counter right hands and he was at least holding his own on the feet but I feel like he had almost too confident too much confidence in himself on the ground and he found out he after round and he found out uh there's

no question he after round and found out i mean here's the thing you have to kind of consider about um gamrott is that people are going to say oh well it's because he couldn't do well enough in the striking that he had to go to the wrestling which is there's an element of truth to that right he obviously uh doesn't have the stand-up skills now not everyone's going to have the stand-up skills that charles does but it was like he had almost nothing, right? There was no real. I think there was a couple of times Oliver tried to double jab backhand

and he got hit with one time coming in like that, but he walked right through it, right? So it wasn't that big of a deal. But the reality is too on the ground, BC. Like, if you look at Gamrod's record, for example, he's got a K over Scott Holtsman that was in 2021, and then he had a submission over Jeremy Stevens, which was also in 2021.

But like basically since, let's see, 2022 against Sauri and Daryush, Jalen Turner, he beat Fazeve, but that was off an injury, RDA, Dan Hooker, Klein, all those fights were decision. And what it tells me is the pursuit of Jiu-Jitsu and the pursuit of ground and pound in grounded positions was also not enough of a development for him. Like the way in which he's been winning is sort of the establishment of control positions that he could maintain, even if you had to change them through the course of a round, but it could more or less maintain and could more or less maintain.

and could more or less, you know, do summit work to, to, you know, have not the referee stands you up or whatever, but not enough to really, like, really put it on opponents, not consistently. And that occurred to him too. This is the thing, man. It's like skill development. It's not a question of whether Gamrodt works hard. There's no doubt in my mind he works hard, but has he trained in a way the last five years, for example, that put him in a position to really develop his ground and pound, positional advancement, the offensive dilemmas between the to i i don't know what the evidence for that would necessarily be yeah uh it it it you've you knew it right away you knew it right away that he was a step behind olivera that it was

that maybe if he could build it toward five rounds he could he could figure out a long-term thing especially if he could try to tire oliver but he never got there and that's a credit to the new predator the old do bronx call him what you want so speaking of calling him of course uh it was a call out afterwards for Max Holloway and that's a great great fight a great storyline given that they fought so many years ago at a different division Holloway getting a win at a time where olivera what was the injury luke that that that led to that victory for max uh it was like a neck injury it was like esophagus or something yeah it was like he he grabbed like his neck or his throat and it was weird it was and this was remember so this was also in charles oliva it's

going to sound crazy to say but back then it was true it's not true anymore. He was a little flaky. You know what I mean? He was like he would have weird performances. He'd get kind of injured. He would just kind of fall apart. This is in the middle of that stretch, even though he was still pretty good back then. Some people thought he was a quitter. He would obviously prove that wrong during his title run for sure. But the idea that, you know, you had Charles calling out Connor McGregor before this fight for a White House BMF fight. This makes more sense against Max. It does potentially, though, leave Patty Pimblet out of a major fight at this moment. If we're going to get Elia versus Justin Gaichi, potentially in January, which you hear

some rumors. We already know we're getting Sarukian versus Hooker coming up for a quasi number one contender fight based upon who wins and how good they look. Patty, still in that mix, but looking for a fight. Yeah, this makes a lot of sense for both men, Holloway and Oliver to do it, the star power, the fact that they both still got a great amount left under that hood in their mid-30s here. We got an almost instant reaction from Max Holloway, who's streamed live on uh what was it kick or twitch or one of those things afterwards do we have the video or the uh i believe we have the video all right let's check in on max's reaction to this i know bro i know i know i know already i see the chat we know bro we hear bro we heard the call

out tell them only time we'll tell now bray have a fight the white house that's so long to wait it'd be such a long wait you know i mean and make no promises So, it'd be a fun one. And we've been talking about this fight. Me and him have a history. He's blaming it on some type of injury. I guess we get to figure it out now. I guess we get to figure it out now, huh?

My hand is good. Not good. My hand is getting better. My hand is getting better. And we're just waiting to get cleared. I haven't really got back on the match yet. I've been doing some training conditioning, but that's about it. Do you back sooner than later.

He would go on to say that. he would prefer this fight in March. Do you think the UFC would put this as a pay-per-view main event given the Star Power for March? I mean, they got to do, well, again, CBS Star Power in March, you know what I mean? That's a fair point. PLE Star Power, yeah. That's right.

Yeah, so, I mean, I don't know how they're going to do. They got to do something like, listen, January is the first of the year and June is the six. You got four months in between there. You got to fill out some, you know, numbered shows or whatever you want to call them. I just feel like it'd be a great opportunity if he doesn't want to compete at the White House because it's too long of a wait because it's you know essentially you're in

Q2 at that point right or Q3 excuse me so you know yeah I totally get it I totally get it so I I would be totally I'd be listen the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned as you heard him say his hand is still messed up he's doing strength and conditioning he's not fully back to training and whatnot but he can he intimated in the video

BC he was like that's too long of a wait it's too long of a wait yeah let's do it fire him up yeah Holloway has actually won four of his last five the only loss being that Tuporia knockout the first time he was stopped in their lightweight, or in their featherweight title fight. Now, of course, Tuporia atop this division. I mean, could you see, though, if this fight happens, does the winner get a, get a title shot immediately due to that star power connection and the fact that both are rated

in top five? It depends what they do with Patti. Yeah. That's right, because if you're keeping Patty out of this January debut, if that's the way they go, then you could be looking at a, I mean, I mean, you don't need to put it on the White House card, but you can make it a main event at any point, obviously. Patty versus Eilia, and that's a major big ordeal.

Luke, how different do you think this fight would look, Olavera versus Holloway, with these versions of them right now in this division? Say that again? How different would Olavera Holloway 2 look, now that they are advanced in age and at the lightweight division? I just can't imagine it would look like the first fight. I mean, you know, one never knows.

MMA is crazy. Max wasn't nearly as good then as he is now. Certainly he has more miles. That's obviously a part of it, too. However, he's significantly more skilled. And if you didn't really, again, if you didn't really know Charles Levera back then, it was not in any way obvious that this guy,

you knew he was going to be a submission threat and go for it, but you thought that that might actually physically cost him because of how much he was getting hit and how much it really affected, you know, even fights he won. It was just kind of like a brutal slog. He is significantly improved. Yeah, I mean, this fight,

BC, this fight could be an amazing fight. It could be on par. what, you know, if you didn't know they were actually weight class champions, it might look like it was. I'm not going to say as good as fighting gets, but absolutely no reason to not make this one. It'd be foolish not to. Yeah, it's interesting because the UFC doesn't prioritize Brazil these days. Do they not even have a TV deal there still? I don't know the current state of it.

I mean, they did have the biggest one. They were on Globo, but that one inspired. Right. But, you know, it isn't the type of nation where they can charge, you know, insanely high ticket. prices. You don't see a lot of pay-per-views or now. PLEs go there anymore, although we did just see what UFC 301 was the last one. You've got Max wanting UFC badly to go to Hawaii, but there's some logistical issues there. Do you believe the UFC would do what Olivera is asking to put him in someone like Poeton on a double header and go do a big-ass stadium there? Probably not, right? Probably not. Again, the one thing that I've been thinking about, and I don't know the answer to

this, and, you know, BC, maybe you can tell me if there's a less to be learned from the professional wrestling side, which is, and we've talked about this before, in a world of pay-per-view, obviously we already know the UFC will take pay-per-views to Australia. They'll take them to, you know, regularly, they'll take them to the Middle East and the Emirates. You know, they've taken them to Brazil. But in general, in, and of course, you know, UK a few times as well, in general, they happen in North America, which is not an accident because the overwhelming majority of the pay-per-view buying audience has been in North America.

But if pay-per-view goes away, now, yes, if you're on. on CBS, then obviously your product needs to be cater to what CBS is going to prefer. But let's say it's a numbered event BC that doesn't necessarily air on CBS, which again, I know there's some lack of clarity about. In a case like that, why do you have to have it in North America? Now, again, if you're going to have it at some crazy time, like for, you know, it's perfect time for the Japanese audience, your viewership will suffer. And to the extent that they have to really maintain those viewership numbers, maybe what I'm about to say doesn't make sense. The point I'm just trying to make, or at least the question I'm trying to ask anyway, is to what extent

does removing the pay-per-view component free the UFC up to play with geography of their main events and their events more broadly? I think it still depends upon, at the end of the day, I think it still depends upon how much is that city or country paying for the site fee and how much do they believe they can make on the live gate with ticket prices. But like, I mean, I mean, again, we can debate like, what is the right of out for the UFC to be hosting events in Brazil? What does that mean? How many events annually does that look like? And that's a debate you can have. But just in terms of being a talent pipeline,

Brazil is an extremely important market, maybe one of the most, if not the most important markets in the world. Even if you're not bringing shows there because you can maximize ticket prices, certainly maintaining a presence in that market is a kind of investment you have to pay to maintain that spot or maintain that hotbed of talent at the levels that it that it is right isn't that part of going there i agree i mean that is a mMA mad you know bjj and mma mad country just just life's part of the culture part of the lifestyle obviously along with football luke and curfugee balls how they say yeah cur a lot of curvy women too you got to you got to you know you do have to speak out on that yeah i mean you were you were like yo yo these uh

I can't even do it. I can't even do it. Don't be putting them ruskies down, Luke, okay? No, I didn't say anything about it. Be picking them up instead. All right, let's get grosser. No, one more thing from Olivera, the dad. How about that moment with his son?

I thought he was going to drop him when he palmed his kid, and it was very lying king-esque. Luke, you're a hashtag girl, dad. What do you think about this? You know, I'm typically of the belief that there should be limited conditions under which babies are brought into the UFC Octagon. You know, just for all parties' sake. However, while risky, and I did take a bit of a breath watching this,

I think all's well that ends well. So you're not progressive enough to argue for an in-octagon birth during a fight. That's not something you're looking for. I think there's plenty of blood already. I don't know if we need to add that to the mess. People that don't know about the floor of an operating room post-pregnancy. It's a murder scene. It's a murder scene.

Yeah. By the way, oh, I saw on Netflix. I saw on Netflix, do you see the new BTK killer documentary? I have not, no. So, dude, the, you remember the BTK killer, like he was in the 70s, he was killing a bunch of women and stuff in, uh, I don't know, no, no, no, no, BTC, BTC, B, I don't know, no, no, BTC, B, K buying torture, kill.

He kills a bunch of people in the 70s, a bunch of dudes trying to take claim for it, and he actually writes a news station being like, no, no, it's me, and then he includes details that only he could possibly know, and he loves the attention. He keeps doing it, but it stops for like 20 years. He does it again in the 90s, but then eventually gets caught. Dude, his daughter, he had a daughter. His daughter speaks about her, his dad, or her dad, excuse me. And it's, uh, it's insane.

It's absolutely insane. Yeah. Yeah. Netflix has cornered the market on insane documentaries of late deep inside the membrane. All right. Now's a good time to take a pause here. And remember, by the way, where Tequila's story truly began. Let's go back, 1795, Cuervo invented Tequila.

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going down there in Heo, where we did see, by the way, the king of Heo, Josealdo, officially lay down those gloves for the final time, family around him. Look, we don't get weird ceremonial things like that in the UFC too often. That one felt good, right? It did feel good. I actually was very heartened to see this. I thought this was a very classy gesture by them, seemed well received by all parties. Well done. Yeah, Jose had a tear in his eye, but he earned it.

He deserved it. All right, let's go back to the main card, the co-main event there, or one of the featured fight, sorry. Joel Alvarez, the Spaniard, moving up to Welterway, he was more than a five-to-one betting favorite against a Vicente Lucke, who we were wondering there at age 33, whether he still had it. wow alvarez lit him up from pillar to post uh there was a referee controversy built into that and that led to a little bit of a tussle on the microphones that we mentioned earlier but first

and foremost luke uh this stops a streak for joel avarez who had finished every single opponent he has beaten in his mma career but it was weird in round three where he had a head scissors on luke and both guys seemed to be content to sort of just sit there with it the fight goes the distance. I was overall impressed with Alvarez. A lot of people on my timeline were like impressed. No, where do you come in on that on his one-sided drubbing? I mean, he beat Luke. He beat the shit out of him, Luke. And that's a guy who fought some big names right there. I was impressed by Alvarez's welterweight debut. Yeah, I mean, he beat him like a drum. I'm not, honestly, like I'm not, why is this his fault? Of all the people,

you could blame for like why that fight ended up the way that it ended up why would it be his fault i don't get it he was crisp his boxing was fantastic like i get it oh he didn't he didn't go there and mall um luke in round three okay he didn't go in there and when it looked like he could have mauled him it's like did you all see what happened to him in rounds one and then then especially rounds two like the guy clearly took mercy on him and i know you're not supposed to but there's been circumstances where people do that and you know i don't love all of them either but in this one i kind of get it like the dude the guy he was fighting had talked about brain you know we had a brain scan issue that held him out for a little bit bc it was a brain bleed issue i believe

so like yeah i totally get why he would actually soft pedal it in round three i realize that's boring to watch and it's not what he should be doing he's supposed to be advancing the fight dude the referee could have taken a point from him to be perfectly honest like that would have been well within the right way to do but it didn't again once again there's a lot of other people you could blame for this you want to put a little bit on joel alvarez fine but it seems to be like there's a lot of other things that happened here too Dude, I mean, look, we're going to get right into this referee controversy, but first and foremost, I'm sad to see Lou Kay, who's always been an action fighter, who's always brought it to names better and bigger than him. And, you know, he's won some, he's lost some. But he's now lost, he came in losing three out of his last five and being stopped in all three. He probably would have gotten stopped here if that weird, you know, leg choke wasn't going on around his neck. I mean, sad to say it, Luke, but he kind of looks past it here at age 33. Yeah, it was an inverted triangle that he had. He just didn't finish it, but that was an inverted triangle. Leuke needs to consider his health here. You know, everyone always says, oh, you can't tell another guy to retire. Yeah, you're right.

I'm not his mom. I can't do that. But what I can say is he's taking the kind of damage that either is already or soon will and probably already has going to affect his quality of life later on in life. Like, you, this is, if this was in pursuit of winning efforts for the sport's highest honors and paychecks, this would be something of a very different conversation. But we're not, we're not there. That's not what's happening. This is an extraordinary amount of damage for, yes, is Lucke a good fighter?

He's a very quality fighter. Everybody knows that. But the kind of performances he's turning in are not super high quality. They're not up to the standard that we know him to sometimes be. And they're coming at extraordinary costs. This is the very moment where some reflection about what you want to do. do with your life remember bc he speaks multiple languages he's done some commentary work he is very articulate he's clearly quite bright but there's there's some thought that needs to go into like

saving these things like a chris algeri did for use in life later and the kinds of ways that can reward you i i don't know if he's having those conversations but he needs to it's immediately agree i think that's well said right there it's kind of shocking to see his his his face the i mean look he's getting hit too much his face doesn't hold that resistance well and in the first round he took a short left hook that ultimately the knuckle hit him right in the eye he would react as if he was poked he probably thought in real time he was but luke local brazilian referee whose name i do not currently have i think it's osiris mira yeah he obsiris mire could not have botched by he stops the action it is kind of instantly discovered upon replay that this was

from a clean punch not a poke instead of restarting the fight he then allows the cage side doctor to come in to examine the eye given giving luke an unnecessary amount of time to recover before we get into bizpings overreaction what do you make of the handling of this referee in are we all correct to say he should have just restarted the fight the moment that the replay official let him know that this was a clean shot dude i got to say like and i realize they're not in north america where people can say that this might i don't know if people think this is i'm Like, obviously there are great judges and referees who aren't in North America, but the centerpiece of how MMA rules came to be and the culture around that did come from the United States.

Again, not exclusively, but the vast majority of that. So, like, the best training typically is there. The best referees, of course, not always, but typically can be there. Or again, you can get somebody like Mark Goddard who's been training in those places and abroad. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is there's a bit of a tradeoff. when you go to Brazil in terms of if you're going to use local referees, what kind of quality you're going to get. So that's partly what's happening here.

But yeah, this was a, don't you just feel like, I mean, I'm not saying that over the years I haven't witnessed improvements in real ways to various forms and jobs within the officiating world. At the same time, I'm not sure if I felt like referee work was sloppier than it is now. And genuinely, I mean that. everything they're making obvious mistakes i like not even in ways where you could say okay well maybe the commission is universally telling them to focus on this it's a wild card it's a giant buffet of buffoonery yes you just never know what you're going to get you're never going to know if

the rule is going to even if two places like because it's one problem if you have let's say state x and state y and they actually have different rules right that's kind of a problem but if you actually have a place where x and y have different referees but the same rules you might expect some variance but it should be closer and it feels like we're just not getting that with at least in this case with osiris maya and and plenty of other places and again even last week we had keith peterson or whatever what goes whatever it was his last time out keith peterson just absolutely categorically refusing to take a point or beyond you know there's four fouls there's like even a minor but real headbut between rounds and

they're not doing anything either they're not enforcing the rules bc or they're enforcing them selectively or they're just making it up as they go we saw that submission a couple of weeks ago it was where the referee didn't count it but then did or maybe it was the opposite something like that what was that long island luc card like a couple of weeks ago it was neil magni and uh jake matthews and jake matthews they're just making this shit up as they go they're not enforcing the rules and he missed this one john goodin i'm sure we'll get into it now but john gooden was right once you realize after replay, hey, he actually, yes, he did get hit in the eye, but it was one of a legal punch, there is no time out on your feet and fight it out or quit. Those are your choices.

And to your point, BC, that didn't happen. Yeah, and I think we all said, we're going to talk about Lucas Almeida's broken hand, but Jason Herzog let him get hung out to dry in this card as well and just take a beaten before that stoppage. But let's talk about the reaction here. Look, I got nothing personal against Michael Bisping, but I have been on record in saying that he's probably my least favorite UFC live fight commentator. I think he's a great personality on a desk. I loved him on the Fox studio show. They used to have, you know,

established podcaster, all that. Legend of the sport. But to use a two-man booth involving him is just asking for more mayhem than you already get. And what do I mean by mayhem? I just mean, from a broadcasting standpoint, the guy doesn't follow the traditional lanes. He acts as if he's the play-by-play guy

and the color commentator throughout the entire broadcast and leaving scraps for the third person usually and talks over everyone and all. A lot of things that from a mechanical, technical standpoint of broadcasting is tough to listen to. This one in particular, though, when it was a two-man booth with just him and John Good, and they had Heidi Andrew, of course, as the ringside report,

Craidside reporter. But Bisping was just snappy. I mean, yelling at Gooden to let him talk. The key part was about this referee. time out in round one where Bisping was arguing that it should have been a TKO win for Alvarez. I think he was intimating that Luque had like quit, but Luque, I'm assuming thought he was poked. So it was obviously a confusing scenario, one in which the referee made harder by allowing that doctor to come in. But to hear Gooden, who's, you know, seems like a class

guy, seems like a solid announcer, just get talked down to by Bisping. And when Gooden, who's, you know, And Gooden's just trying to explain to him that the fight should have continued. Luke, is there an argument for what Bisping is saying that the fight should have been a stoppage? Because I don't agree with that under any interpretation of the rules. And even further, is there an argument that this guy shouldn't be reined in more? Because I'm not going to say my ears are bleeding, but it's not an enjoyable listen. It's 10-minute stories. It's taking something simple and describing every part of it in a circle and a loop to the, you know,

leaving others out of the out of the opportunity to speak it's too much dude it's too much yeah i mean a few things i would say on this just as a general observation bc i'm just going to say this i think it's way too often that you've got ufc fighters in commentary roles who consistently seem to struggle with rules knowledge right here you have a case where john gooden never fought he does train jiu jitsu but has never fought just took it upon himself to learn the rules he was the one unless there's just a special set of rules that cab mma has that's the Brazilian which i don't believe is the case the Brazilian commission he was the one arguing correctly and this isn't just you know specific to one commentator and not all of them by the way i think there are

some that do but you know i just feel like there's a lot of these athletes who obviously are very talented broadcasters certainly very talented fighters and think that that is just enough to carry the day and it's not understanding what the rules are in a commentary position is critical and it is i frankly non-negotiable. You don't have to have the most insane command, but a basic literacy of them is important. And what Michael Bissin was arguing is, to my knowledge, not correct. It was what John Gooden was arguing, which was once the referee ascertains that this was an accident, the point at which you're having a timeout immediately ceases and you either start the fight again or you can, you know, if he doesn't want to continue, then the fight's over. But, but those are the only choices

that remain. Let me say something, BC, as somebody who has, you know, may or may not have snapped at his uh his on-air co-host let he who is without sin cast the first stone in a circumstance like this you know i have actually done something even relatively recently as a matter of fact just kind of like this maybe even worse um so i'm not going to sit here and beat up bisming for that because i don't i'm not the person for that i have my own issues what i can say though is having lived through that experience a little bit is maybe to say you know you got to take a look in the mirror and realize it doesn't matter why you felt the need to say that. It's unacceptable.

You know, again, you and I and even spirited debate can happen in a commentary booth. Sure. Absolutely. Spirit of debate, I think, is something that the listeners on occasion would actually be up for. But snapping at each other, that's different. That's a different thing. And if you're doing that, it's incumbent upon the person doing it to take a look in the mirror and examine why.

Do they need to have a talk privately off camera about some friction that might be existing? I mean, I'm making something up. I don't even know if that's it. I'm just saying whatever it is, you've got to take it upon yourself to solve that issue. And then lastly, the thing I would say, B.C. is just about the talking. It's like, I think, you know, and again, I do a little bit of memory commentary. I don't make any claims about how good I am. And in fact, the last show I had two bad fuckups that are kind of eaten at me a little bit.

I'm not saying this is somebody who's got this shit figured out. Far from a, you're better than me on the boxing, well, far better than me on the boxing side. And commentary, I think, more broadly. so I think you could speak with a little bit of more authority. But what I am going to say is just a lesson I've learned, and I do think you're right. If there's a criticism you can make of Bisping, it's he simply talks too much.

It's just too much talking. And I think a lot of broadcast situations can be improved by just having a little bit less to say. I agree. I agree. I think if he can learn to speak in sound bites and make those sounds matter, he'll be more beloved and will allow his personality. Come on.

And I've said this before, I'll say it once more. I also think he's a natural heel. It's just his personality. You can be that natural heel as a caller announcer, especially as a former fighter. Lean into that. Just don't dominate the broadcast.

That's all we're saying there. Luke, there was this Lucay moment after round two where it seemed like he was telling his corner that he did not want to continue or he wasn't sure. Do you think there's an argument for a stoppage there in this Alvarez fight? I mean, it's definitely worth asking the question.

and I'm glad you did. I don't know what the answer is here because I respect Henry Hooft. I certainly respect Vincenti Lucke. I don't know the ins and outs of what they have said to each other in the corner. Here's one thing. I've jumped the gun on this kind of stuff before and then come to find out that there'll be certain contours of a relationship. You don't fully appreciate that certain language will sound really bad. And then it's a little less clear when you actually do some digging. On the other hand, we also know it to be true. But in my judge, well, okay, I believe is maybe a better way to put that BC, that there are not enough proactive corner stopping fights in MMA. Now, again, Joel Alvarez didn't do a whole lot to Bucente in the third, but somebody else might have.

And I think he got away with one. And he was asked, like, how are you feeling? And he said, not good. I believe. Well, now, Luke, did I get that right? He said, not good between the second and third round. Yeah, something like that. I don't remember exactly what he said.

Well, now, Luke was high. I mean, it's just, it's a very simple kind. It sounds overly simplistic, BC, but it's like if you ask the guy how they're doing and they can't even like fake a good, maybe they shouldn't be out there, you know. Yeah, I'm with you on that. To close on Joel Alvarez here in his welterweight debut, improving to eight and one over his last nine. Here is Joel reacting to this victory.

It can't be able to be able to us. And so, I'm going to be able to see. And so, you know, I'm going to have a lot of a guy on.

So, one of the one, you know, and there's a one

so I'm so I'm so so I'm and

I'm Look, I like that he's not going to entertain a cut back down once more. Look, I like that he's not going to entertain a cut back down once more. welterweight is his future is the future bright for him this is a deep division it's probably the deepest from one to 15 that we have or at least it felt like that about three four months ago is this guy sort of an instant contender in your eyes well i i was heartened by this i don't know again okay fine you didn't love the third round out there all right who did but he didn't look small okay luke is not the biggest welterweight but he didn't look at any way uh alvarez uh out

out physically sized at 1-7. He'd seem like pretty appropriate. He looked fast. He looked sharp. You know, again, there's criticisms to make of him like there is any fighter. But I don't know. It seemed like to me, I was like, wow, he actually looked like he could do something here. And again, the fact that he just kind of annihilated Lucay in the second round, I was actually,

I left this whole thing being pretty hardened about his welterweight campaign in BC. 32 years old, you know, I don't know exactly how good Alvarez is going to be, but he's a tough out. He's certainly a violent guy. You're adding to an already super stacked welterweight. division. Yeah, I don't know what the problem is. Yeah, I like him. I think he's fun. I think now he's not going to have the thing hanging on him of the weight cuts of it dragging him down. I mean, we might be seeing that with drawn bootz and us, by the way, now at 154. We'll get to that,

how it just looks like he's not carrying that physical burden anymore. Here's a tweet, though, about that third round in which the fans did not love here from Guillermo Cruz. Alvarez has the inverted triangle locked in, but obviously won't finish Lucke from that position. So crowd is now chanting hey referee fuck you i mean look what are you doing that spot alvarez is clenching the cheeks to try to get the tap uh obviously luke's okay like in that spot he gave the thumbs up it felt like both were content to just ride it out yeah both were content to ride it out there's no and this this kind of goes back to like if you're if your fighter is suffering but still wants to compete then it's a really more difficult question and you probably err on the side of

letting them compete. But Lucke wasn't, it didn't look to me like he had like competitive fire in that answer between the second and third rounds. And then look at what he turned in on the third BC. Like did that look like he had, like did that look like somebody who was trying to win? No. I would submit to you it was not. No, tough to see there. But big win for Joel Alvarez. Let's transition to topic number three, which is the rest of the UFC Fight Night Rio card from Saturday. And in that co-main event, boy, did we have a streaking Montel Jackson having one six in a row looking to crack into the ranked portion and the title contending portion of this Bannamweight division. He took on a former two-time flyweight champion in Devesant Figuero

who had a lot of questions coming in from age to recovering from the knee injury and the illness that had him looking not so great against Corey Sanhagen. But on a night where we would find out, we didn't know what we thought we knew about Charles Olivera. Same thing could be said in this Coleman. How about Figgie bouncing back getting the split decision victory, relying on his wrestling early, and then just using the threat of the wrestling to keep Montel at bay from distance. The fight was not overly exciting, particularly down the stretch where it looked a little bit more like a sparring match.

But Luke, you don't see people at this advanced age in a division, this small, retaining contendership like this. I mean, we're even shocked at what Olivera just did it, lightweight. How, I don't know, if happy or proud are the right words, but what we're not? Were you in your feels after Figgie bounced back and got the win right here? I was happy for him, but I didn't, I don't, I was very happy for him. It was a nice, feel-good moment. He turns 38 in two months, by the way.

Yeah, it's amazing that he is as competitive as he is, the stage. You can see why he won a UFC title, right? That level of, we talked about with Charles, like you can see why he won a UFC title. It's not really a mystery. At the same time, it's like, Did this win make me feel like, oh, he's back, you know, I wouldn't say I got that. I thought he was coming back a little bit too quickly from his knee injury. Again, he won.

I thought Montel Jackson was, you know, sort of stubborn as an opponent, which makes it hard to look good against. But I don't know, maybe you feel differently. If you do, please say so. But I just didn't watch this and go, oh, well, yeah, I mean, let's, you know, what two more good wins, he's back in the title contention. I just don't feel like. Well, I took it more as I didn't think. He's not as far out after losing two straight fights against good opponents that I assumed he was at this age. I mean, he's so undersized for this division, yet he's able to control distance.

He's able to use the threat of that right hand. In this fight, he used the threat of that wrestling. I thought it was a smart veteran performance. But if you want to be real, the real thing we learned about this is that Montel Jackson isn't ready for prime time, unfortunately, for him. I mean, look, hands the size of, you know, giant ass watermelon basketballs, like just monstrous hands. That didn't translate in this fight. It was an underwhelming performance for an American at a time when American MMA can use a boost.

Yeah, yeah, I think that this is more to me. If you're asking who I learned more about, I learned more about Jackson, the fact that this was a great step-up opportunity. And again, he didn't look shabby. He just couldn't get much done. And to your point, B.C., that also certainly speaks to Figurato's level of you know even baseline ability but you know if you're not able to win those kinds of fights against a guy who is older in figurato and coming off of a pretty devastating injury you know there's

some pretty significant questions about your upside at that point so unfortunately that's kind of the lesson that i took hey long island look we had tears in the eyes of figurato were you not feeling anything because i was i was happy for the guy i was happy for him i did throw in before the fight started a former champ parley figgy and oliver it was like plus six hundred So I was pretty happy, but yeah. Not bad right there. All right. Let's go further on down the card.

What a debut for the lady goat of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. We're talking about former decorated Hall of Fame, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu champion and practitioner, Bia Mosquita, who at age 34, scored a dominant win in her UFC debut against somebody who will show and have you seen this shit is becoming one of my favorite crazy undercard fighters. And that's Rocket Ronda, Russia. and Rocket Arena Alex Siva.

Luke, this was one-sided. We got Be a Mesquita going to full mount and just, I mean, look, that time she had her arm trapped around, what do you call that? Gift wrap. She gift-wept the shit out of her in full mount, raining down strikes. I'm not ready to put her in there against Kayla Harrison, but to make a transition from a dominant run in one discipline of martial arts now to the highest level of UFC, pretty impressive to kick off the career in my opinion what about yeah yeah that gift wrap was real nice i mean one of the

things you know i'm an old piece of shit in obviously but one of the things i learned when i used to roll back in the day with very very good people is they don't just break your grip they break your grip and then keep it and they keep it for themselves if you'll notice there's a moment where she peels back on the blade of the hand alexiva's uh arm and then uses that to then she peels it and then controls it Right? So it's just sort of, it just reminded me like this, you know, every part of her jujitsu game is just obviously high, high quality. But it's those little details about, you know, the things that good ones do versus really consistently excellent ones do. And she has that. She looked awesome, B.C. You know, her LFA run was also pretty impressive. This was an overmatched

opponent. I think we can all agree there. She was not up to par. She's game. She's wacky in game. You got to give Russian Ronda that, okay? She had, she pushed her to a second round, so she had to, you know, start the attack over again, but it obviously went from bad to worse. Very, very. And you know what? Ground and pound. And also what I'm going to say is you just don't see many people who have that level of Mount in MMA anymore where they can just float position to position to position to position inside

of Mount and then still terrify you with ground and pound. So really nice to see what she turned in. Great performance. Yeah. And as long as Luke would tell us, Russian Ronda had never been finished before. So a sort of dominant start. Look, Luke, for Bia, the striking didn't look world class, but she's muscular, confident, obviously experienced at a very high level.

And when we consider the women's Bannamway division, which we rarely consider, we've got a super fight coming up with Kayla and Amanda. You've still got former champions in Rocky Pennington and Juliana Pena, who are lingering, but you could use a player in this division. What was the last time you got excited, you know, outside of the free agent pickup of Kayla Harrison, and that there was a rising women's Bannonweight who could potentially make noise.

The question obviously is going to be how much noise? So how do you come off of this one performance? Like, will they be matching her quickly? Or is this still going to take time in your eyes? She's 33, 34. They're going to move this one quickly, I think. I don't know. The only thing for me remains the question is BC is

how much her takedown translates at the higher end of this division. when the, when the opponents have better balance, better take down offense, better take down defensive habits, you know, harder to get hold of. Because there are some stuff where, you know, you're looking at what she did here and a little leaning too far this way and taking some risks that I don't know if other opponents might punish or not. But if she could solve that problem, B.C., then I think, you know, again, McKenzie Dern, she's only now getting good at ground and pound.

Now, obviously, she has great submissions, but she had no takedowns and she had no ground to pound. Remember, she used to balance on her head from the back and then punch this way, like this totally mechanically awful way of trying to attack. Look what you saw from Mesquita. She's building in damage through positional advancement all the way right now. That's a much healthier sign. Yeah, I was fairly impressed overall. And not only did she dispatch a Red Rocket Russian Ronda with ease. She then turned her her exploits toward the American version. Let's listen to this sound. 11 years ago, you told me you considered doing the transition from Jiu-Jitsu to MMA to fight Ronda

Rouse and now 11 years later you're fighting Russian Ronda at UFC Rio. And now there's talks of maybe Ronda Rousing coming back to MMA. Is that maybe a long time ago and now it could come to a reality? What a crazy coincidence. I'm a happy reminder. Well, I don't know who told she's the very. Russian Rhonda Rouse, but well, if she say so, it's what she believed, but I prove it that my takedowns is on points, and I mean, I'm a very big fan of Ronda, true Ronda Rousey.

She made history in the M.MA and she opened a lot of doors for all the women that are coming out as well as me. So I respect a lot all her history and everything she did to the MMA woman's be where it is today. So I really hope she come back. enjoy her fighting a lot and I think that would be amazing the arm bar battle even knowing that I didn't call my arm bars yet but who knows maybe fighting her it's gonna come I don't know but I really respected her I'm a big fan of everything she did and I'm just happy if she's coming back it's gonna be amazing for the MMA world and especially for the woman's now for the record Rhonda is not

announced that she's coming back but these training videos do seem to create some talk the training videos the shape she's in the the matter of fact way she's talking about rediscovering her love but i don't think bea would be on that opponent list right away but it's interesting to think about luke Thomas gun to your head will ronda rousey ever fight in the octagon again yeah i think she will i i did not think i was ever going sorry my my laptop is dying and i'm trying to get the charge going here i never ever thought i would say something like that but i don't think she's coming back for nothing this white house car and everything it's just all too coincidental um and again the way her mma career ended was given to its heights it ended in

kind of this like i don't know pretty ignoble way where she refused to even like i'm not even going to look at the mma media like like where your problem like we're the ones who hurt you you know uh so i don't know i think coming back from that maybe maybe i think she might be will yeah she needs another um betch cohea why don't we just give her Fiona? You could do that. Is that the same weight class? I don't know.

I'm not sure anymore. Yeah, it is. Okay. I'm just thinking out of my ass. All right. Let's keep it moving down this card, Luke. We did see some bangers in terms of big time finishes. What do you make here ultimately?

Well, first of all, Vitor Petrino at heavyweight now. Dude, that two-punched knockout in round three of a, of a chubby Thomas Peterson. Dude, that should be a highlight we see again, man. And that was some nasty stuff right there. Yeah, he got him coming forward. So then he just kind of like flops like a like a sea lion. Fantastic finish for a jackd dude looking to reinvent himself. Bob, yep, got him that way.

The larger picture talk might come at heavyweight here from Mario Pinto of Portugal, but he's got a UK accent and he definitely fooled Michael Bisping in the post-fight interview by saying he doesn't speak English, but he needed less than two rounds to get Jahanada D&Es out of there. uh denise nuts luke what did you think about pin to should we be looking at him as a riser in a shallow division yeah which was a fun little thing he's portuguese and denise is brazilian so they brought the portuguese guy over to brazilians apparently by the way shasta giarmé cruz over at mhm a fighting he was covering this event in both portuguese and english and i thought he did an amazing job really gave great coverage and help people to understand a fight night better than they ordinarily would have so in general he was great But he was talking about this fight, BC, and all, like, the anti-colonial things, people in the audience were yelling at him, you know, which I thought was kind of funny. But, dude, he looked pretty good. I mean, it was weird.

He was like, I don't speak English. Then he was like, friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears. And I'm like, I don't know, brother. I think the English is pretty good. Yeah. But he, hey, undefeated. He fought in a, I wouldn't, I mean, I would say this, the finishing mechanics on the paintbrush, the Americana. were real bad which is why it didn't work because if the elbow comes up there's nothing really

twerking it it has to come down this way not not like this but like open and then like this and then that's how you get it anyway um so that he needs a little bit of work he needs a little bit of work but heavyweight could use him let's say it that way yeah we can use anybody with a pulse right there oh let's talk about the featured prelim at featherweight where all's well that Michael Aswell, ends well, got a first round TKO victory over Lucas Almeida, but the MMA detectives on X all week were focusing on the obvious broken hand that Almeida was showing up to the press events with. He never threw that right hand in the bout that was stopped in the first round. And it felt like the referee was looking for this guy to go out like a warrior,

Luke, like potentially to the terms of death. How does this even get sanctioned? Here's what I just can't wrap my head around. How is it people on Twitter will know a guy is injured based off of making visible observations of their condition, typically, though not always, at way in events, so either the ceremonial or the real one. This will affect betting lines, right? So now money is changing the way it is coming in one way or the other as a result of these observations. and then somehow all of that can happen, but the fight doesn't get called off either by the commission

who appears to be not aware of any of these things. I don't know if people who work at athletic commissions have cell phones, B.C., maybe they don't even have computers. I really don't know. Dude, I get that you can hide, like, norovirus from a medical professional by not... But this is being observed. This was people were talking about this. Don't you have to show your phalanjis here and get inspected?

How did this happen? I don't because he goes in there. He never throws that hand that's injured. He tries to throw out of South Paul. He gets tuned up quickly with right hands that were coming over the top. And, you know, he gets kind of polished off. And it's like, why this fight should not have happened? Like matter of fact, it should not have happened.

And who is responsible for that is, I guess the promoter, I guess the commission. I'm not sure how that's really supposed to go down. It's just insane to me that people in the commission are like, no, we don't see anything. It's like, dude, it's all over. social media and the betting lines are moving. How are you not noticing this? I mean, James Krause saw that. I'm wondering if Long Island Luke did. Did you follow the trends on this bet? So unfortunately, I put my bets in on like Thursday and I had an Almeida bet at plus 124 come fight night. She was like plus 250. Yeah. So yeah. I also wanted to shout out strawweight Julia

Pallostri of Brazil who, man, she gave it to Carolina Colvukavich, almost to the point where you're wondering if the 39-year-old Carolina should should end it now. She was game as always, but the, look, the short punching power of Philostry who's in great shape, has a ground game. I'm wondering if we got someone here at Strawway. I think that's not her fifth straight win.

Yeah, and also, how about this? Set the tone right away, too, with that body kick up the middle. And it had a cold game going, you know what I mean? Right away was like, this is what it's going to be tonight. You know, you can figure out how you want to do it. I got a dead wrong in real time, B.C. she's two and two in the UFC and that way she was coming off a loss oh wow i take that back then the over-excitement but uh she did look good in this fight i should probably do my homework long

out of two points lastly lastly colvich yeah you know she took a lot of abuse in this fight and she tried to fight back with heart but not a ton of ability she's also got some questions to be asking about what's next i think it should be next i think it should be it but uh long island luke you are a master of the undercards and they usually happen before your sobriety gets challenged what else did you pick up on saturday uh not so much the undercard it was on the main card but my boy con awfully the australian got his first ufc win

he had the backpack on uh carto homos there choked him out i mean i was impressed with him not so impressed with the other Aussie stewart nickel he was kind of a little bit of a let down there uh other than that i feel like we cover jeffel filio getting the camora on clayton carpenter that was a good yeah i was surprised that that worked because he kind of gave it to him he didn't have the arm straightened or sorry he had the arm straightened

and then he just kind of put it down and then the guy just reasserted the Camorra and I was like, well, you fucking gave it to him. The opening bout was interesting. Luan Lacerda, Simon Olivera. Oliver missed weight by eight pounds. He had a rehydration close. Have you guys ever seen that in MMA?

I don't think I ever have, right? I think those are starting to be new if you miss weight like in that kind of way. I liked that. All right, that was UFC heel. We'll put that one to bed, but I want to remind all your sports fans out there, that football is back, and it's back in a big way.

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slash promos. All right, let's slide it over to topic number four in six months. After a unified boxing welterweight titles with a one-sided demolition of unbeaten IMontas staniosis, Philadelphia's own Geron boot sentence was at home on Saturday on DZone, also making his debut at 154 pounds. Now, it wasn't without controversy from the standpoint of the matchmaking. His opponent, Weisma, Lima, came in with a hard-punching reputation as a career, junior middleweight, but not the experience gap in terms of the advantages that Geron Ennis had and nothing close to the athleticism. In the end, it was a destructive two-knockdown first round TKO win for Boots Ennis, who offensively looked like a nightmare, switching stances, landing a lead uppercut to hurt Lima before a beautiful two-punch combo, put him away.

Lima tried to last, but this was ultimately a statement performance. Now, the question is how big of a statement? Because you did have longtime boxing scribes like Dan Rayfield just rightfully railing against this fight all week, which could take away from the idea that this was some big announcement at 154. However, you look at the opponents in the matchmaking here, though, it was a big announcement because the fight to make, even though neither have a world title at 154 is, Geron Boots Amos against Unbeaten Virgil Ortiz Jr.

Ortiz is going to have to get through the always tough Erickson Lubin in November, but this is shaping up to be a fight that boxing fans are going to need to see. First, let's show the finish here on a camera taken from the crowd of what Boots did Lima. Luke, 6,000 people in the Wells Fargo Center. I thought it was nine. Or was nine? That sounded like an infernal once they got cooking in there. How much are you going to separate the fact that this was a unnecessary,

meaningless marination, but yet our boy boots, and we've been watching him a long time. Dude, he looked like a million bucks in there. Who gives a shit? This fight was ridiculous. this was a waste of everybody's time and the reason why you know that is like first of all this was never i know there were some gibronies who were trying to talk themselves until like no this guy could actually box no the fuck he can't first of all not certainly on any level that mattered for saturday we knew that going in this was a fight that never needed to happen he didn't need

a tune up to go to 54 not one like this we're now 35 years into his career and his best wins are chukadzahn and staniosis which are fine b level fighters he doesn't have a single a or a minus fucking win on his entire career. And BC, here's how you know this is meaningless. This is the shit he was doing when we were working at Showtime. Against better guys than this, by the way, are certainly just as good. We already know he can do this. Okay, he didn't do it at 154. It doesn't matter. We knew he could do this kind of thing to this level of opponent. Moving up a weight class is not that revelatory if the test isn't sufficiently difficult. It doesn't have to be the most difficult one of your first 54 up, but it had to be

better than this. The fact that he blew him out and around is not evidence that, oh, my God, Thanos just took over and beat up the Hulk. No, it was evidence of a fight that was an absolute sham that did not need to be made, that you learned nothing in actually was fucking

that they, dude, the balls on match room to ask for money for that is insane. If the fans in Philadelphia, BC, were happy because, you know, Geron Ennis, you know, the lion ate the gazelle, great. I understand that. I don't begrudge them that. And I'm not saying BC that Geron doesn't have elite ability. I was once a big believer and I'm still willing to be again. Dot, dot, dot, once he starts

fighting people of enough threat or challenge, which he's still 35 fights in not doing. Yeah, 28 years old. Hearn talked a big game afterwards, calling him the future pound for pound king and saying that this is what happens when you get out of a weight class that you're, you're, you know, you know, cutting down so aggressively that he estimated that Boots was only 70, you know, 60 or 70% of what he can do. The problem is, like you mentioned, we had that completely unnecessary rematch at Walter Wade against Karin Chukudzin just to, just for Boots to hold on to the titles in a mandatory, which showed the ridiculousness of current boxing, but so did this fight to really marinate

this so unnecessarily. I'm happy for Boots. He looked great. By the way, Hearn said they're willing to match him with anybody from 154. to 168, Luke, which is bold. But here's Eddie Hearn talking about the future for Geron Ennis. Spread our promotion. You have to pay the money and you have to hope that people have ambition to take on the best

and create a legacy and fight other champions and fight the best in the game. We're in a really good spot right now where we have the biggest TV contract in American boxing, in the real boxing world. And for us, we need to work with other promoters to make sure that we can make. those fights. But I have to admit, we need the fighters to have the ambition to try and be the best. And I can't, I just hope they're full of that ambition. I hope they want to chase legacy, but we do have to pay them a lot of money. And we realize that with Stanley Owners, because we were under pressure to deliver the Stanley Owners fight. And he was the

best world to wait in the world outside of Boots. We paid up, we got the fight, he destroyed it. We've got to do the same at 154. And just one follow up question. For you, I asked Bruce this question a few weeks ago. You know when we talk about Zaias has made mention of if he's going to defend he wants to to defend in Puerto Rico you've been in Puerto Rico before would you entertain that would you take boots to Puerto Rico yeah but I think he means more of a homecoming fight sure listen Xander Zias against boots Puerto Rico weekend Madison Square Garden have some of that let's go yeah all the Philly will come up to MSG for that fight Zias is a great young

fighter I believe Zias has ambition to test himself with the best I want to ask that what's the Now, Boots called out all the champions afterwards at 54, which is Zanderzaius, Sebastian Fondora, and Bacrom, Mertazale. You have, unfortunately, Luke, this fight even being booked against Lima is sort of another, like boxing can't get out of their own way in the second half of this year, and it sucks. And to see Fondora pull out of that October 25th pay-per-view against Keith Thurman with a hand injury only adds to that suckage. And then we did see Hearn's team, by the way, say publicly that they reached out to Keith Thurman, and he didn't want to. anything to do with boots i don't know if that's true but that's uh not great not great stuff but if we get look ortees versus lubin that's a very good fight that we need if it leads to uh ortees versus boots then this is a fight worth setting up a setting up plans for and and and watching comfortably

and enjoying because these are two of the best in this game two unbeatens before they even reach the title level at 54 i'm all for it but enough of this marination come on people all right this was this was ridiculous and i can't believe anyone saying anything other than that yeah geron's great he's really great but he's got a i mean this is this we're nearly 40 fights in and you haven't fought one a level guy come on yeah all right there's a couple other combat sports one hitters that we can we can smoke through here bill uh bill how about luke uh speaking of big big john mccarthy how about this he announced that he has stepped down from the weighing in podcast with josh thompson and that now that his body is healed he will

be back to refereeing. He already made his return on more of the regional level last weekend and put out a post on social media talking about just how good it felt to be back doing what he loved. It was the sort of physical setbacks that originally took him out of that job. This is a welcome development for the officiating world. Nobody's been a part of more big fights, literally going back to UFC 2 than Big John McCarthy. Luke, do you think we'll see him on the highest level from PFL to UFC once he gets back on a regular basis? I hope it's not like I've agreed with every call that any anyone efficient has made they win some they lose some

but it's just very hard for me to look at what we we just had a conversation about the state of refereeing it's very difficult for me to believe looking at the state of things that you can add McCarthy to the mix and this is not an improvement again that doesn't mean he's going to have all great calls no referee does but as a general observation yeah refereeing I think could certainly use his help yeah i love big john um it's fair to say he's the greatest referee of all time right and

and certainly i mean well there's some debate about that but i would say maybe the most impactful because of the role he played and helping to shape the rules to begin with and how many seasons of mma he's observed it's given him a different perspective for a lot of that i mean he was almost all of that it wasn't like you were looking for him to lose his job at any point that's right yeah Yeah. Luke, let's talk quickly about one championship, which we don't talk about a lot these days. Marcelo Garcia versus Lachlan Giles. That's been booked for December 5th of this year in Bangkok. The match will be part of one fight night 38 at Lumpini Stadium and will be contested at 170 pounds.

Why should we care? Well, first of all, I think it's Lumpini Stadium. Yeah. The two major stadiums in Muitai are Raja Domnern and Lumpini, which are the two. everybody knows that yeah yeah well you didn't know that i mean i you know i haven't tried to know that no i haven't i haven't made it a priority yeah well i don't know much about kickboxing but uh moitai but i do know that roger dominer and lumpini anyway um dude marcella grisia if not the greatest nogie grappler of all time certainly number two uh lockland giles i mean an absolute master

of the half guard and kumora and you know a million of the things he's you know certainly one of the very very best these are two going to be close to the same same weight class. They're both retired, but they're both still, you know, viable as fun entities. That one, that's, that's, dude, Tom DeBlast, that's good matchmaking. It's great matchmaking. We'll be looking for that December 5th in Bangkok. Also from this UFC, Heo broadcast, Josh Van's teammate, Michael, as well, during the post-fight interview, seemed to matter-of-factly leak, the Alexandria Pantoza Josh Van title fight taking place on the December 6th final UFC pay-per-view card of 2025 in Los

Vegas. Luke, does he get any talking to from the company for doing that? Probably. I thought all speech is protected, including hate speech. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a well, listen, if you want to post on your Instagram stories about how much you love the Nazis, they'll let that rock. That dude

is getting a lot of attention. What's that guy's name? I'm AJ Cunningham, I think. Is that right? Long Island, Luke, did I get the name right? I mean, can you believe that that is not somehow, do you know how deranged it is to that that's not disqualifying? Like, Did he qualify with pre or post-meth when he made those comments? Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know if this was pre-meth or not.

It's really an important qualifier. Dude, the state of the sport. I mean, oh, my God. Anyway, last thing on this is, yeah, so, like, that's the thing that we're kind of expecting for UFC 323 is that you're expecting Pantoja to be in there in that some either main or co. How would people feel that's a main, right? They'd be bitter, right?

They'd be better, right? They'd be better. They'd feel like they're mailing it in for the tail end of the UFC deal. Guys, I don't know if they're going to. saying that they will. I'm saying at least have that in mind as a possibility. Maybe they're saving the good ones for Paramount, Luke. I think, oh, they're definitely doing that. They're definitely doing that. But, you know, if some of these guys are saying no, and if some of these guys are injured,

it complicates the timeline there too. You know, they need a lot of volunteers. Yeah, certainly does. Former heavyweight champion of boxing, Deonti Wilder says he's coming back in January and has a quote about it. Quote, I've signed the contract already. I can't give no details at this point, but it's definitely live. it's going to happen i got a big year next year i'm looking forward to it all i can say is two time let's go uh any guesses on who it will be or who it should be or who you want it to be i want it to be do he already has the statue he already kissed it he already made a gazillion dollars to fight dominique brisiel like just go enjoy life why are you doing this i don't is he

still with Malik Scott I don't actually I don't know I don't think Malik Scott was with him when he had that comeback fight in June but I could be wrong I could be wrong anyway here's what I want I want for him retirement and this bums me out I'm just hoping

he lets me down easy you know what I'm saying I mean it could be Francis and Ghana would you hate that um fire up the chainsaw guess let's fucking do it i mean i guess i am i mean i'm a degenerate i guess i am you know i shouldn't be but i guess i am uh even sadder news to close here luke is uh former two division ufc champion b j pen is uh continuing his uh unfortunate mental downfall here uh this comes from perry

punch news developing a judge has ordered b j pen to undergo a mental health exam to determine if he is mentally fit and penal penal responsible for several criminal charges against him, including alleged abuse of a family member, violating a temporary restraining order, and refusing to comply with a police officer. If found not fit to proceed, Ben, can be released to the custody of Hawaii and placed in a treatment facility. He is due back in court on January 9th, and those updates come from Hawaii News Now. Luke, everything about this is super sad.

It does not appear. I'm no expert like he is mentally sound in that this has been a big part of the down fall for him as a civilian in recent years and all the posts on social media and all the accusations of his family members being killed and replaced with imposters. I don't know where you go from here. I really don't. Everyone, I'm not saying they should look at this news and be like, oh, this is great news. I feel so great about it. That's not what the kind of, that's not what this news does. But let me tell you something. There's a lot of people with mental illness who don't have people who care about them, pushing for them to get the kind of services or, you

evaluations that are necessary to protect them from themselves, and BJ is. And it's not great if he ends up in the custody of, you know, various entities, state or otherwise, that have to monitor his mental health, but, and to your point, B, see, I'm also not an expert in mental health, but I don't know, like, it doesn't take a genius to look at this and say, this is clearly in need of proper medical evaluation so a determination can be made. and I tend to think that there will be one that's made that requires some level of oversight, let's say. And I'm going to say it again.

There are so many people who don't have someone advocate for them who don't have brothers, sisters, parents with money, legal resources, the ability to lean on the state to force these kinds of issues. They don't have these kinds of things and they fall through the cracks. At least BJ has this going for him at this stage of what is obviously. an incredibly tragic and terrible scenario. I'm hoping that this is a wake up call to

matchmakers and they're in the UFC promotion too because when BJ was on that eight fight losing skid that was only equaled by Tony Ferguson's a few years later no one thought he was going to create some type of comeback and even if he got a win it would only lead to a larger step up and potentially more

damage. I really feel like even with great legends once we hit a certain point where it's over just just end it. Just end the career. And I And I don't know what that means for them financially afterwards, but, you know, how much of this was deeper activated by being in fights he shouldn't have been and taking finished losses. You know, I have the same fear for Tony Ferguson's boxing career, even though he just scored sort of a triumphant victory right there. There's only so much the human, you know, mind and body can take care. Same thing with the wilder, to be fair, with you know, it's not as, we're not as advanced here in the dangerous realm, but we've seen a lot of bad endings in combat sports.

I wish there was another way that these great athletes could make money. I wish those same UFC sweetheart deals that like Matt Hughes used to get and Forrest Griffin and Stefan Bonner that went away with the sale in 2016. I wish we could bring those back in a lot of ways. Yeah, I mean, the UFC did have a deal. I don't know what the state of it is where they had a BJ Penn branded UFC gym in Hawaii. There might have been like a few of them that were a BJ Penn branded. Obviously, that would make a bunch of sense to partner with a lot.

local legend in that way sure um he comes from wealth bj this is what i mean bj's family comes from wealth so like you know it's not in his case a question of does are there enough resources to help but the question is um can they be applied effectively in a scenario where a person is having a mental episode or is potentially even now too far gone these are separate questions um but to your point more broadly i think everyone should take a look in the mirror like dude there is an expiration date on this shit and if you're vicente luke i'm not telling you like if you keep competing, oh, you're going to end up just like this or just like that, we don't know that.

But we know that there are enough risk factors where you don't even want to get close to that conversation. And if you're, and BJ won at the very highest level. You know what I mean? You can at least say, what did he achieve? A lot. He achieved a lot. I mean, if you're not doing that kind of a thing, why are you sacrificing your health so

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The questions are open. Fill them up. Here we go. This one's called DMs from donks. It's disturbing to say the least to hear that noise. Here's Kevin underscore Mitchell. underscore 79. Why doesn't the UFC invest in a physical Hall of Fame that stands alone to the public? Currently, it resides on the staircase of the first and second floors of the Vegas Performance Institute.

I think the fans deserve a museum at this point to honor the sport since it's now a global entity and has been for some time. Luke, I think you can say the same thing about the WWE Hall of Fame. And even though the International Boxing Hall of Fame, which you can visit right off the highway in Canistota, New York, is not overly impressive. It's a very small building. It's got very cool stuff in it, but you'll get through that cool stuff in about 25 minutes.

I feel like with the growing empire of the Performance Institute, the UFC headquarters, the expanded apex, if they just put a little thing together that they can keep open during daytime hours and charge fight fans five bucks to come in and see history, I think that's a win-win, right? I believe that this is a no-brainer. You could even put it next to the apex and have its own little thing, where, for example,

I went on a family vacation, BC. We went to Lisbon, Portugal, and we stayed right next to the Benfica Stadium, and for like five euro, we took a tour of the stadium and all the rich history of that club and, you know, where, where, everything, who the best players were in the big years

and they let you sit in like the press area and it's just so much fun. And I'm not, you know, I don't know anything about Benfica all that much. I just wanted to see some European football history. That's all it was. And it was five euro and it was great. It was one of the, it was a great day. They can't have a physical hall where, yeah, I mean, you know, how big could it be?

It's okay, but there's some debate about that. But they've got the money. They've got the land. They just have to have the willingness and a museum curator type of level talent to set it all up. But I think that would make a lot of sense, to be honest with you. yeah i really do uh let's continue it on here's from it's not cage fighting but the only thing is though it is cage fighting uh which location would you like the ufc to go back to which they haven't visited for a while we're talking five years or more so luke are you itching for ufmpton

to return no all right i'm sure the pickets would have been there though right probably yeah yeah i'm i'm interested i mean i don't i'm not sure what i'm not sure what i mean i mean dude you know what i want them to do i want them to go to Hawaii. That's where I want them to go. That's that's kind of where my head is at these days. What about DC? What is their history there outside of that Virginia? White House is coming up. I mean, I mean, that's true right there. Would you like to see an annual DC stop? Or is it the fact that you're embarrassed about how rude this service providers are in terms of like Starbucks cashiers in your city? I mean, you know, I'm sorry that your armpit fart jokes didn't bring the house down when

you were ordering your double caramel macchiato yeah uh no i don't need to see that i think you know they're in new york city once a year that's important you know they don't need to come to dc in that kind of way um go to places that need you that's that's what mma should be doing yeah i'm not itching for them to come to connecticut it's not really a great spot for a well i mean connecticut's a shit hole i mean let's just be honest well i mean i wouldn't go that far i'd like more boston ples luke all right why boston there's a certain energy there right remember uh mcgregor siever remember some like big fights we've seen there i'd like to see you a great new england city like boston get more what about you long island look i'm sure you're gonna say

like that theater in huntington where chris algerie yeah paramount let's go yeah no i will say like i mean long island baby they were at ubs arena like three years ago but wasn't that when gaslam got widened no that was at nassau coliseum in 2017 i was there for that okay um now the last one was bryne ortega yyer and it ended in no contest it was right um fuck what came to mind melbourne Australia. I think the last time they were there is the poster behind me. Izzy Whitaker won. So that was 2019. I mean, you got to go back to Melbourne. I think Earth is paying too much. That's the problem.

They are. And they go to Sydney occasionally, but never Melbourne. So I'd like you and your dad to go to a live fight down under. I mean, I'm down. With Dennis Grotov. We're down, dude. We'll do it. All right. All right. The next one comes from Michael is. Michael. Oh, Michael Simon X.O. Thank you for the. kisses and hugs there, Michael. What do you guys think about one of my current fighters? Sean Brady

essentially wasting his prime. He's brilliant, yet he's fought once a year since 22 and is on pace to fight only once this year. I know people are ducking him, but sometimes you have to fight down in the rankings to stay relevant. Well, the problem is he's so damn close to either a title fight or a number one contender fight that you don't want to waste that, do you? No, I mean, it's a tough situation because yeah i agree fighting once a year unless you're gary russell junior is just very much inadvisable but at the same

time when you're at the press this is this is the problem then you get close enough and you're like i can't fuck this up and so you end up making like very careful decisions and then just the whole thing gets jacked up yeah it's tough yeah yeah i'm with you on that one um i hope sean brady gets back out there

i hope we get the top of this division figured out from me and gary to all these guys uh number four comes from skyler underscore Lurwill, Skyler Lurwell. B.C., you're looking good as the prop quiz champ, thank you. However, you have some serious contenders lined up,

including Ben the Bain Davis and A. Braun, Aaron Bronstetter. How do you like your chances to retain your title? So I've yet to see the Ben the Bain episode against Oscar Willis and their rematch of their BKFC fight, but I did hear that Ben created a short-lived

record for most points. I will say this, though, when I watched Abron put it on Chuck Mindenhall and extend that record, I was a little nervous. I mean, LT, we've seen great stories of people falling into a title, Bisping, Michael Bisping at UFC 199, but then we saw GSP come in there and humble that. I don't want to get GSPed by Abron here. So I'm wondering, Long Island, look, can I invoke any champ status shit to like, you know, picking shoes or how is this going to work i i think i'm going to do another bracket so i may have

ben the bane and abron go head to head and then obviously there's going to be two other matchups on the other side of the bracket and then maybe the winner of the bracket faces you i it's still working in my head bc but uh you do have i mean if you want to face someone specifically we can make it happen no i want i want to i want to play it fair but you know abron had like no emotion he was like a killer in that episode he knew everything he also no hesitation people bitch i need a shot clock all the time not with abron man he he knew everything this is you know for all the talk about him being a varsity athlete this is his wheelhouse this is where he is a studs until i accidentally beat him all right because if you think i'm going out like that right

luke thomas what do you think i accidentally beat three very very intelligent gentleman in this series yeah but it's not an intelligence test it's a trivial knowledge test um you can just prep for that all right all right seriously you can just prep for something like that you know if it was actually an IQ test and you can't really prep for me you can prep a little bit but but for a but for a wrote memorization test that's that's just practice you know what i'm gonna bring out basketball VC that's what i'm gonna do hell yeah hell yeah let's see it all right i'm gonna start you know making prank calls to bronsetter's night before to get in his head how about that all right pull the fire alarm at the hotel that's what i'm saying right there all right no i love abron but shout out to him i'm

coming for you if you end up there i'm coming for you abron all right thank you very much our final one comes from triple a 1017 so if there was a y'all must have forgot mount rushmore of fighters who just continue to never go away when we write them off who is on it this man likes olivera magni arlovsky and he needs help with the fourth i mean jim miller has refused to gore cutor was written off yes multiple times including on this show for that 12 o'clock guest appearance. Yeah, I mean, he might be here today. We never know. The ghost of Randy Cooter just floats in the ether. You never know when he's going to show up. But in all serious, this is BC, dude, I remember, I, this is, you know, again, I'm an old piece of shit, but like,

yeah, I distinctly recall the media cycle before he returned out of, because he got sent to oblivion by, by, by Chuck, uh, for the second time. He hangs it up. He's, I'm fucking done. And then Tim Sylvia is on this role where, you know, Tim Sylvia looks like a newborn giraffe, but he's six-nine. He's a fucking tough guy to fight. Cotoria is, you know, training with Eric Pele. What's his face? No, Pele, um, right? No, Eric Pele. Yeah, the big heavyweight. He's training with a bunch of these dudes over at his gym and you're like, dude, he is going to get fucking wiped out. And then he goes, and then the whole media cycle was about all this shit. And then he goes in there and just bodies Tim Sylvia. I'm telling you,

that is the king of comebacks after being written off. That is very true right there. Um, he mentioned some good names you got it you got to say jim miller i mean have we ever written off jim miller or is he just is it just he's here because he's just kind of yeah i don't think we wrote him off per se but he's just kind of lingered with relevancy you know i definitely arlovsky was written off yes for sure many times along that journey no doubt about that all right good stuff there those are dms from donks and a reminder you can reach the program by emailing morning combat at gmail dot com for friday's dead wrongs and fan subs and to probably probably possibly show Mikey your piece, but I did want to say publicly, you know,

longtime friend of the program, backbone of the program, former producer of the program, the great Mikey Morms, he just got engaged to his lovely fiance, Donna, while in Italy. So much love from the MK community to one of the great ones there, a cannabis officiantado, to say the very least. Yeah. He's probably high right now. I hope so. I hope he's eating spaghetti.

right now somewhere. By the way, I have a bit of an update on that. On Mikey's spaghetti intake? Yeah. No, on weed. So, like, you have to have a car. You have to have, like, a medical card in D.C. And mine expired.

And I was like, oh, I have to go back to, like, you know, it's like going to the goddamn DMV. I don't want to do this again, you know. But then they legalized it in Maryland. And all you need is just a government issued ID. So I was like, well, if I don't mind, let's get behind the wheel of the car here. And let's drive. Dude, Maryland is like, right.

I mean, it's a mile from here. I just drive right over the line. Oxen Hill? That's a little bit further away. But, you know, to Hyattesville or the Surrentsville. Yeah, hi, it'sville. Yeah, exactly. I was like, this is great.

I don't have to get my license renewed. Thank God. All right. Our final segment here on the Monday is the one you've been waiting for. The one where I scour the globe for the highs and lows, the good, the bad, the ugly, and the in between in the world of combat sports and beyond. Look, somebody posted on MK Reddit that they're sick of this segment. It should be retired.

kill your thoughts i don't agree but i do think you need a little bit of a cattle prod in the rear end you know get the paddles out here a little yeah just go full nine eleven bc why you hold back anymore all right that's great uh this one's called have you seen this shit all right now luke i can't show you the footage of her walking to the prep point sat saturday night this is russian rocket red ronda arena alexiva and doing johnny walker type twerking but i got a few videos here on why russian ronda is my new favorite crazy person in m m m here is her getting ready at the way in i mean look this is great stuff right here right no what do you make of her tats can you rate them very tanya evanger vibes a little bit here

I mean, she's spirited, you know? She's very spirited. If you go a little bit deeper on her IG, it gets more spirited. Here's Russian Ronda dancing in a purple mink coat with some very subtle S&M vibes coming out of these bodybuilders. I don't know what we're doing here, Luke, but this is interesting. Your thoughts? This is deeply uncomfortable. Well, I said very subtle.

The only thing that could have made that work. is if the cake lady showed up and started eating them. Yeah, like the Rizzler came out and she took his head and it was really cake and she started eating it. Yeah.

Those were subtle S&M vibes. Here's full on S&M from Russian Ronda. Okay. This is. You know, maybe M.K. Reddit has a point here. What the fuck are we? It says love me on her chest? It does.

It does. Yes. I don't. I'm a big fan, okay? She's kind of like the female. slava claws you got to see her when she's fighting you got to see it long out look you were the one that got me on to the red rocket russian ronda train i was going to say bc joined my watch along once when she was fighting and became a huge fan i texted bc during that fight and was like you

know russian ronda's fighting you want to join the stream i didn't you how did you not tell me on friday's mk that she was back i i we glossed right over it because we were talking about her opponent be a mosquito and we just forgot to mention her but yeah i didn't know her real name unbelievable all right Here's your relatable moment of the week, Luke. I can neither confirm nor deny the details. Although I work from home. So that's more like lunch break than it would be. All right.

Hey, Luke, what are you going to do the first hour? MKs off. I don't know. I might the vinals myself. Here's your father of the week, Luke. I think we call this man. Cowboy Cromartie. How many children do you have?

23. 22 baby mother. Real bad man. I don't know if we saw anything there, did we? We saw a man who has fathered a lot of children with different women. Oh, okay. My screen was blank, so I don't know. Oh, yes. We saw a gentleman who bragged about having 22 kids or 23 kids with 22 baby mothers. It's a real man.

Yeah, this guy, he doesn't love. condoms. A big, big, no condom guy. So far, I would support that this segment needs to come to an end. But hey, it's regional MMA time where anything can happen. Let's check out this European MMA brawl in Germany. What the fuck? And there's a guy with a Palestine flag.

I don't know what's happening there. Gentlemen, we're live on CBS. Here's Gus Johnson. Boys, these things happen at M.A. What is this over? What is the? what is the oh jesus they're still dude there's no cage security at all they're just jumping right over the top this is like connor versus abeb all over again wow i don't know if that's ks w i don't

know luke that's a polish one right that's no yeah there's mayhem all right hey let's keep it going on the regional scene the no nonsense keith peterson had a lot of nonsense after this backflip caught him oh he's not he is not happy oh yeah well yeah yeah chill out he's telling him to chill out finally keith peterson's you know what just giving more warnings though yeah yeah no points take it away the king of warnings hey don't you do it or what or don't you do it look this from 2004 from one championship watch this losing fighter go off to the ref oh yeah get get in that there you go got the knee bar going he tapped look you see that oh wait go back and show it again hold on whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

okay so after the ref intervenes okay just pay attention to the ref all right now pay attention to the opponent who won watch this look at him come around watch us watch us it's like mocking his dead you know oh look at this fucking bitch you know i mean did you see julia polostri do the uh the whole tito artis burying bit after she stopped uh colvichich that was too far look uh yeah it's like no you got to really like hammer them in the first round to do that yeah all right uh let's take a deeper look inside the Green Bay Packers Coordinators Coaches

Bach. All right, there's a couple gentlemen there. Yep. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, brother. A little, little re-wrack. You never heard anybody, Luke, okay? Yeah, a little, a little crotch itch, you know. Yep, it's time for MMA fighters in the wild. Here's a great Bushito moment. Alex Pereira showing up at a Brazilian gym that has

his name on the wall and just getting mobbed by children. You know, I'm glad that I finally reached a point in my life where I find the joy of children amusing. Yes, yes. It wasn't always a thing in my life, but now it's a big one, and this is just awesome. This is just great. It's just the best. Fantastic.

We saw another MMA fighter in the wild. Connor McGregor playing barefoot basketball, and it went about as well as you would think it would. Look at that form. Yeah. Yeah. You took the back. We don't have to do that stuff with it.

By the way, just, oh, never mind. This is fine. Go ahead. All right. We also have Kalil Rounchery Jr. showing up on the Jackson podcast, talking about how crazy Marab is. Marab in the gym, it's really hard to say that he's any different in the gym than he is in the cage. Really?

I promise you this is a 100% true story at 12 o'clock in the afternoon on fight day, Saturday, October 4th. rob sparred five rounds in the cage live on the day of his fight because that's just who he is that's unreal yes five full live rounds five full live rounds at 12 o'clock not even half a day before he has to be in the arena to put on the biggest fight of his career that's just him you cannot make it up so to be around that i mean it's just it's just a it's just a another experience. You know, most guys will sit in the hotel room or try to collect their thoughts or do whatever, you know, maybe even get like a bike ride in on the assault bike to kind of burn some energy. I've never in my life seen somebody spar five full rounds the day that

they have to fight and go do another five full rounds with Cody Sandhane. So like, yeah, it's just he's, he's a different. Look, how do you even explain that? I don't. I don't know how you, I don't know. That's just, like, I don't even know what that is. That's just absolutely without press. I mean, I've heard of guys having, you know, hitting mitts for a couple of rounds early in the day, stuff like that, you know, getting the sweat out, but not five, five-minute rounds. That, like, I just don't know how it's possible to recover like that. I don't know.

It's possible to stay fresh like that. He's beyond description in that regard. He's unlike any fighter in MMA history. To close here, Luke, Yonah, champion was in Brazil over the weekend, but recently her and her twin kashia celebrated their 38th birthday what do you think luke double date is the cake lady going to eat these two congratulations to him luke right sure all right that's great uh it's time for our big brown report luke you've mentioned a lot lately about how gym wars and sparring wars can definitely shorten your career did you see what brendan

Shab told Joe Rogan recently. What was the worst injury you ever went into a fight with? I got knocked out three days before I fought no gear. Oh my God. And I got knocked out four days before I fought Rothwell. Oh, my God. Shane Carwin, sir. Oh, my God.

That is so irresponsible. That's rough, right? Is that new? I hadn't heard it before, but that's rough, dude. Well, first of all, I can believe that. that the guys at Grudge back in the day with Shane Carwin. Someone asked me on my live chat last week. I forgot to say this at the time,

but they're like, who are some of the scariest punchers in the MMA history? And, you know, Francis Inganu would be one. Dude, fucking Shane Carwin would be another one. A terrifying puncher. Yes.

And Shab having to spar that guy all the time. I'm not surprised. I would not be surprised at what he's saying there is absolutely accurate. Those guys were vicious back in the day. you have to wonder how much that affected his losses in those fights seriously right i mean you know he wasn't and also like no gara was not a bullshit puncher himself you know he like he could do it and uh yeah dude like how can you win at that level if you're getting starch that and why are you sparring that hard i don't know i mean that's the problem too carwin has like car dude carwin had like comical levels

of power you know well i mean we just heard marab was sparring five rounds on the day of a title yeah fair point yeah fair point uh speaking of shop, Luke, drive fast eat ass, had another truck giveaway. Let's see the result here. Okay. What are we doing here? Okay. Is this a real thing? I eat ass. I need to

buy this vehicle. Yes, yes, I'm going to take Tuki to school in the I eat ass vehicle. She'll love that. Luke, are you a fan of white rappers? Some, I suppose. All right, what about this guy? His palms are sweaty, knees, weak, arms are heavy. There's vomit on his sweater

already. Mom spaghetti. I'm kind of done with that guy Luke Yeah he needs to be bullied more Which is difficult because he's great at Jiu-Jitsu But his stick sucks Can we just be honest about that? He got his ass kicked in that debate with Craig Jones And his stick is fucking lame

He's very good at Jiu-Jitsu though Very good Luke do you remember your number one Undisputed most exciting Christmas gift You got as a child Probably this when I was like seventh grade It's like the first time I got a bike That had gears like the you know

On the left and right side you know You're like free them. Yeah. Let's look in on these kids. No way! A Saddam Hussein rookie card! Thanks, Santa. This is going to be worth a fortune someday.

I'm glad we're eating up natural resources so kids can have Saddam Hussein rookie cards to play on stupid shows like this one. All right. Hey, time for your poetry of the week. Let's listen in. Roses are red. I was fin to go

to bed, but not tonight's sweet on give me that head not bad not bad right there I've never been a big Lee Corso guy but he works

in limited circumstances he does he does Luke you know you love gender reveals let's rate this one from Dolphins player Jay Leon Phillips and his and his significant other

is there a plane that's going to fly over the head two one blast off wow it's like we're going to murder like five natural ecosystems all those trees all the birds who live there are dead so that you could just announce what sex it was

which is just a thing you can normally do it's a boy it turns out Luke let's go to this next one how do you rate this one we got a balloon she has an interesting build all right looks like it's a girl luke you know what i rethink everything i've ever said about gender reveals and i also need this person's phone number yeah to further pursue this line of inquiry well look like regional mMA anything can happen on local tv news let's go to south

america here a nice little street report oh it's just it's just a man's ass full moon tonight there you go all right uh let's go over to janas party i don't know what this means from the street janas party is way more interesting oh oh anal yeah you're invited luke there you go all right uh luke this eighth grade football pa announcer would lose his job for this tell me if it's justified let's give my hand job i am so sorry let's get my hand folks Great job. Well done, ladies. He works at that orchid place that Robert Kraft went to. You know that.

Luke, you think you've had a bad day. Let's see this lady. So this day can't get any worse. My car is getting towed. Why can't ICE deport her? Well, Luke, this trend of that Celine started, with eating cakes is getting very much out of control. Let's check in on the weird

cake lady. Oh, God. What time is it, Luke? It's cake time, okay? Yeah. Yeah. Here we go. Just eating the shit off the wall. Oh, and the wall itself. Fucking absolute. Yeah, well, here we go. You're going to eat that? Yep. Yep. Sure enough. Sure enough.

Oh, God. Damn. I mean, whoa, dude. PlayStation. All right. Cake lady, we get it. You make cake looked like unusual oh here we go eat the fucking oh fortnight Luke we could be hanging out with her look at this

you know what that fortnight cake looks pretty good actually I got a little Arachipe in it Luke this might have set the record for the most amount of people DMing me it so I finally had to play it here's more cake love okay that is uh I've seen this

yeah yeah that's uh that's something all right our final he picks it up and eats a piece yes yeah our final weird cake moment

I don't know how to describe it I'm the strongest motherfucker in the world bitch all right maybe it is time for this show

to come in this segment to come into it dude that's what we're ending on is like no no I got one more for you

Luke you know when I was a kid they said don't play with matches they didn't say anything about fireworks. Hmm. Stop moving.

Hold it up. Hold it up. Hold it up. Hold it up. Hold it up. Legend, come in! Come in! Yeah!

What man! Love it! Love it! Love it! Let me! It! The kid rules. Yeah.

What would happen if you gave Kukiabal Rocket. No, no, no, no. I have her on a, mm-mm, mm-mm. She wouldn't do that. She wouldn't do that. That's the shit of the week. I don't know if it comes back next week.

We'll have to wait. It needs to come back. I mean, this was Charles Levera getting knocked out by Taboria. I need you to give me the Gamrot performance. Yeah, you're right. I need some elder abuse. I need a few different things there. Okay, there we go.

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There's our YouTube channels. Thank you. Look, anything coming up, fresh and new on your channel? I saw you had a nice breakdown on Oliveira. Yeah, that's it. I mean, I got a bunch of stuff to do after the show today before Tuki gets back from the petting zoo, petting farm, whatever the fuck it is.

So I will try to get up a full breakdown on some of the Omo Plata series that Olavera went after, so be on the lookout. Good stuff right there. Let's say goodbye to our third member of the team. team long island luke will the main card minute be back up and running this week yeah i'll have a bet breakdown out tomorrow new prop quiz on friday watch along saturday you guys don't the trail come on what we do we make content in this in these parts all right uh luke any message of wisdom that you want to share with the viewers uh saul he's on vacation right now if you've

been following him on instagram and it looks like he's on the island somewhere life is about the ability to have consistent simple joys may you ever find them yes yes and if you're alone as luke thomas often says you know yes it's easy to find one yes you know listen porn hub let's be real okay all right uh for both luke it's your boy bc thank you for watching take care of yourselves uh dye your hair if it's getting gross we love you we'll see on friday there's some fights this weekend or something like that um peace and we out of here thanks this is an i heart podcast