MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC Vegas 111 Results: Bonfim Calls Out Covington | UFC 322 Storylines | Eubank vs Benn 2

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

LT & BC are back to discuss all things combat sports! We start with Gabriel Bonfim's TKO win over Randy Brown at UFC Vegas 111, before recapping the rest of the card. The guys then look ahead to t...he stacked UFC 322 card this weekend, as well as Eubank vs. Benn 2. Lastly they'll recap Virgil Ortiz Jr.'s dismantling of Erickson Lubin this past weekend.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:53 Do you want a margarita? Oh, my God. It's us doing what we love. It's time to bang. Oh, yeah, get fired up. It's UFC 322 fight week. It's Monday, November 10th of the 25s, and you've stumbled in. Right here on morning combat.
Starting point is 00:01:22 Get fired up, right? Let's do this thing. My name is BC with the BDE Brian Campbell Fresh and direct from the basement of my suburban Hartford a mode which rhymes with commode and next to me is the man with the red and black no hat to match and i must say luke an honor of you a good friend of the program joe run dem cheeks happy marine birthday semper phi yes never die 10 november 1775 a day that is uh glorious Jake Quervo invented to Q? No, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:01:58 Uh, yes, Semper five to all the Marines out there. Past, present and future. It is, um, a glorious day. I don't know if the, I'm guessing the Marine Corps did their birthday balls last weekend at this coming
Starting point is 00:02:09 weekend, but in either case, I'm sure it was a, uh, a rocket affair. It probably weren't blue, knowing those Marines, right?
Starting point is 00:02:15 They probably emptied the chamber. You know what I'm saying? Yes, they probably did. Yeah. How come we never shout out Osborne on this day? She, some gave all and she did,
Starting point is 00:02:24 Luke, okay? Yeah. some gave all and all gave some you know what i mean that's how it goes do you know what that you know what that who said that quote uh uh francis scott key right as he was writing the uh the national anthem yeah not at all but okay very good thank you thank you very much all right hey we're going to have a fantastic show for you we're going to look look back at what went down in the warehouse this weekend look ahead to ufc 32 we've also got a little bit of box ao to nibble around from
Starting point is 00:02:52 Virgil Ortiz Jr.'s destruction of Erickson Lubin with boots on the horizon. Also, this Saturday, don't forget, you bank Ben too over there in the UK. So a lot going on in here, fired up to be here with you. Also, also, like and subscribe to these here channels that we got going on. Social media, extended YouTube channels. Your like, your subscription on YouTube does go a long way. Shout to everybody watching on the Draft Kings Network. And of course, all them divorced dads.
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Starting point is 00:04:11 that invented tequila, proximo quervo.com. Please drink responsibly. And Luke Thomas, you, myself, and Oscar Willis of Mackley fame will unite to drink responsibly this Thursday 11 a.m. Eastern on the YouTube's live and direct from the Metal Arc Studio in Manhattan, New York. It is UFC 32 pregame preview. LT, again, what can the people expect here? Wholesome version? Oh, wholesome version. Oh, I have to edit it then.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Well, Oscar Willis is going to be there. I don't know how wholesome it's going to be. But listen, you've sat through two weeks of betting scandals, and otherwise fairly mediocre to less than mediocre cards, but all of that turns around big time this week. 322, an A-level card, if ever there was one. Lots to be excited about. Oscar Willis is going to bring it. I don't know why we wouldn't have a good time.
Starting point is 00:05:04 His shirt will be off at some point, right? Regrettably, but probably. Probably. All right. Thank you. M.K., of course, brought you by Cuervo. Now is a good time to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila. Quick hello to the third member.
Starting point is 00:05:18 member of our team. A bong enthusiast, producer, director, son of a horned up fellow from down under. Hey, it's Luke Nocita of main card minute fame. LIL, how are you, buddy? I'm hyped, guys. I'm hyped for UFC 32 fight week. You know, we just came off a great apex card. And dare I say great, it was kind of fun, dude. Last few fights were kind of fun. Five for five finishes in the main card, by the way. The way it looked on paper, it was like, eh. And I feel like it played out like, oh, that was actually a fun time. That's what Dana told Nina drama. Don't explain until the card happens, right, Luke?
Starting point is 00:05:53 That's right. It's the worst logic imaginable, which would make it defend. You could defend literally any card ever at that point, you know. Luke, I saw your buddy 45 slash 47 at the Redskins game yesterday. Rousing a reaction from the crowd. Will he be able to change the name of your beloved football team? I mean, it seems unlikely, but I would never count it out. the problem you have is number one, just on a basic level,
Starting point is 00:06:19 the naming rights are typically sold for like tens of millions of dollars. Well, to the stadium, not to the team. You mean change the name of the team back to the Redskins? No, you had, you had alerted me that the head of this nation would like that team to rename its team in his honor. No, they want to name, he wants the stadium named after it. Oh, I thought it was going to be like the Washington Trumpeteers or something. No, no, no, no, he wants the stadium named after him.
Starting point is 00:06:44 But I'm like, just on a practical level. A, that's at least five years away, potentially more. And he might not, I mean, I'm just saying he's old. I don't know what his health situation is going to be like then. And more to the point, do you have to sell that stuff for like tens of millions of dollars? Like, yeah, seems, now, might they name the street around it for him or like Trump Field at, you know, whatever park or whatever? All of that seems possible, but I don't know. I'd like to see like the Maga Ball.
Starting point is 00:07:09 It'd be like a dome stadium for the commanders. No. You could, everyone could take turns. There's like a, there's a fake Nancy. Pelosi desk where everyone could go and just take dumps on it. Just smear stuff across it. Yeah, that's great. That's fantastic. Luke, any quick update on your life or any, you know, mental revelations you've come upon lately?
Starting point is 00:07:29 I finished a couple of books over the weekend that I was really trying to sit down and read my wife left for a business trip. And so, but, you know, obviously we got, I got some help here with our boy, so I took some time to just read over the weekend. Oh, my God. You know, how great that felt just to, like, quietly spend a night being able to like pour over my books it's like the happiest it made me in a quite quite some time i was really i think i lost the attention span to read luca that's an unfortunate situation you know what let me say something very quick about that that's a real thing absolutely that's a real thing it's called reading
Starting point is 00:07:58 stamina but like anything else you can actually just train that just set a clock read five minutes at a time then 10 then 15 then 20 to 30 you don't need to read more than an hour if you don't want to that's like really i would say a good goal to get to but you could absolutely get all of that back You just have to focus. All right. I'll learn how to retrain my dragon here. Luke and get back into reading. Also, you may have seen it splashed across the bottom of the screen at an incorrect time,
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Starting point is 00:08:50 to trug forward go to morning combat dot shop get your stuff today okay that's what i'm talking about you want to dress like saul be as cool as that louisvillian wear our shit thank you very much okay that's it that's all i got for you hey it's time to start this rousing show of course we're going to close with dms from donks and pick the shi out of my kernels or maybe that's strike that, reverse that. Either way, be here at the end of the program. Topic number one, though, takes us back to the apex, the warehouse. It was UFC fight night on Saturday, a welterweight main event pairing first-time headliners as Gabriel Bonfim of Brazil sent a statement of sorts to the rest of the division
Starting point is 00:09:31 with a brutal second round TKO of Rude Boy Randy Brown and the number 14 ranked Bone Feme fulfilled his pre-fight prediction of a second round. stoppage by systematically breaking brown down with calf kicks before finishing it via knee strike. Now riding a four-fight win streak, six-in-one overall in the UFC. Here's my question to you, LT. What was the major difference that you saw between the version of Bonefim on Saturday night and the one who had struggled enough, whether it be the disputed win over Stephen Thompson or the loss to Nicholas Dalby, where we had legitimate questions coming into this fight?
Starting point is 00:10:12 I, I, I'm not, well, it's a great question because I'm not sure if we learned something, I mean, you always learn something new in a new fight. So I don't, I don't mean it in that sense. But I mean, this is kind of the issue, right? Randy Brown was just kind of always in range the whole time. And he got his leg chewed to pieces as a consequence. Right. And, and so the point I'm trying to make is through his pressure or Bonfine being able to pull him, it's stylistic. worked out in a way that was pretty advantageous for him. And I realize he made an adjustment in the second part of the fight or whatever, the second round. But the point I'm trying to make BC is how much of what we saw from Bonfem's very good performance here, because that's what we should say. It's clearly a strong return you got there. How much of that was from some kind of leveling up process that happened either before or during the bout itself or how much of it was due to some stylistic influence.
Starting point is 00:11:12 is kind of creating the circumstances that you've got, I tend to lean more towards the latter in that case, more than the former, in part because I would need to see someone that wasn't necessarily stylistically giving him things to work with more easily and then seeing how he overcome some of that. And we didn't really get an opportunity for that. But like, you know, BC to the point that you asked, like, what did you get from Bonfim? The leg kicks, I thought, were I mean, he just kept going back to it over and over and over and over again. But more than that, You saw eventually Randy Brown trying to throw a lot in combination in these exchanges. And, you know, at times Bonfim took the bait, but not really.
Starting point is 00:11:52 He got the better of those, the vast majority of the times, or to bear minimum, you know, certainly avoided the worst. And it made Brown resort to worse and worse and worse, either habits or choices to the point where he was bending over at the end. Then he got fed that knee and got polished off. Bonfim had fed him that knee earlier in that fight and it landed, but not to the same degree. So to me, it was a very, very great example of what you can get in the UFC when someone has, I would say, a diverse array of targets who tends to take offense by the scruff of the neck and then apply it. I'm just not sure I saw anything there that told me, oh, the guys who he lost to, oh, he'd beat them now.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Maybe, but I'd need to see it, actually. I saw stuff. I got to be honest with you. All right, let's hear it. With my white bell eyes. Look, there had been some inconsistencies in Gabriel Bonefine's game, sometimes too aggressive,
Starting point is 00:12:44 different things that have maybe led to the one defeat and, of course, the questionable win over Wonderboy. And it's one thing to say ahead of a fight. I mean, by the way, we'll talk about Myra Buono Silva briefly. She said she almost guaranteed she was going to get a stoppage win on Saturday. I'm not even think she's going to be employed anymore after
Starting point is 00:13:00 that loss. So it's one thing to say I've made these changes. I've learned these lessons from these tough fights. It's another thing to apply apply it. I thought Bonfeme applied it. He wasn't overly aggressive. He came out in more of a counter stance, obviously focusing on that calf. But if you think about it under the terms of the way Dominic Crusoe eloquently presented it, and by the way, a fight night without a biz ping was, wow, thank you. Lord, on that one, the biggest advantage for Randy Brown
Starting point is 00:13:26 was going to be striking head to head specifically behind that nearly six inch reach advantage. So how did Bonfim take that away by constantly going after the calves and slowing him down and keeping him out of rhythm. I think Brown thought Bonfim was going to come after him aggressively. Instead, he came at him very calculated, very poised, never really overly rushed it, didn't put himself in a position to gas out, although obviously the fight only went around and a half so we didn't see where it was going to go from there. But it was like really damn calculated and precise, in my opinion,
Starting point is 00:13:58 using those advantage to hurt and slow down Brown, even if Brown was taking an unconsciousable amount of those kicks without checking all of them. And what did that do? That set him up for the finishing strike in the second round. I saw somebody who was confident, but mixed with that confidence was the poise and knowing that I have to execute when I climb to the higher levels. And I don't think Randy Brown's a world beater. He's a good fighter.
Starting point is 00:14:21 He's a tough out. So you can only take so much from this. But if this is the direction Bonefam is going to go moving forward, that in my opinion, he's moving forward directly into the direction of title contention. Or maybe not true title contention in the top three or four. but top 10 contention, which is not nothing here, coming in ranked 14th, coming out of it, looking for a big fight.
Starting point is 00:14:44 And we'll get into that big fight in a second. But when we say things like this lower third below of sending a statement, do you believe in that? Do you agree with that? Was there a statement sent at the very least to the rest of the division that I'm closing up the holes in my game and figuring out how to make my strengths more efficient, more effective? I'm less convinced by this analysis.
Starting point is 00:15:13 It was passionate and well delivered with a lot of... Yeah, I mean, I think there's something to be said for. Like, he wasn't reckless. I mean, this is what I'll give you, right? Like, he was absolutely methodical. And I think that's really the important part. He had a clear idea of what he wanted to do in this fight and executed it on it really well. Like, that to me is like what I saw.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Is a guy who, okay, here's my... plan and I'm going to apply it steadily consistently and in this case very successfully throughout the duration of the bout took a little bit of time but once he got going it was never looking back that to me is actually quite important but dude we're talking about 170 like just realistically bc looking at the top 10 who do you favor him over in that space long out long island you got the rankings up we always i can get him up coby's number 10 i know that much because he called out Kobe i think gilbert's 11 uh protest is nine morales is eight buckley is seven gary is six no no you didn't feel like this was the beginning of him going into the direction
Starting point is 00:16:20 of being a more complete fighter i would say that i could not rule that out i think that's on the table but i what you're asking me is did i feel like i saw enough proof everyone's going to be different me personally no i didn't see it it sounds like i'm backing on the guy he had a great performance in fact this was like i mean you could do he he put his stamp on the fight early and let's be honest brown was never in it there was really never a moment brown was like really pushing back on him brown kind of survived and neutralized at times for sure but he didn't really ever put it on bonfine bonfine put it on him but given the way that brown was fighting and given some of the other limitations that we know about bonfine and and this is the important part given how
Starting point is 00:17:04 effing stacked 170 is, I think we need to be a little bit more cautious in what we're saying this means for the future. It's a tough road ahead of him, even if I grant, he certainly performed very well on Saturday night. Yeah, I thought it was a very impressive step forward
Starting point is 00:17:21 in the direction we need. We'll see where he goes from there. We'll talk about the chaos that could be next for him. But first, quickly, I do want to talk about the stoppage from Mark Smith, which I do agree in real time had me going, whoa, whoa, what's going on here, because bumping fell at the exact same time as Brown when their feet tangled,
Starting point is 00:17:39 I thought it took just one look at a replay to realize that Mark Smith made the right call. I mean, look, when you look at this still picture of the idea that Brown was concussed on the way down with the knee and that maybe it took hitting his head on the canvas to wake back up. And even though he did wake back up, his eyes did not seem to be in the, you know, as clear as possible. What were your thoughts in totality on the stoppage? I definitely wanted to see it a second time, but actually, I even tweeted as much. I thought in real time it looked okay to me, but I actually thought I had more doubt about it when they showed the replay, because as you indicate, by the time, referee Mark Smith is there separating the two, Brown begins to roll to his base, right?
Starting point is 00:18:23 But at the same time, I think it's a good stoppage. We kill referees when they make bad ones. I'm not saying this is like the most excellent stoppage I've ever seen, but I think in general he definitely got it right. It's a tough situation. the issue is whenever you have falling what you always want to look for I think it's like it's one thing but it's one and a half things which is uncontrolled falling body weight is going to be the kind of thing that a referee is going to notice because that indicates you're not really in control of your faculties you know even if you get flash knocked down but like you just sit to your butt and you're right back up there's still some method of control on the dissent and the and the reconstituting of the position very quickly brown like went all the way backwards and then his head snapped back and that's the second part bc is when they have uncontrolled head head like collapsing backwards like that these are terrible signs and a referee sees that they're gonna intervene especially if he's right there close and he probably heard
Starting point is 00:19:18 how loud it was or was able to see randy brown's eyes as you indicated but that falling body weight with the uncontrolled head going back man you got to give referees a break if that kind of thing happens, you know, even if you didn't like the call, again, I have no problem with it. Even if you didn't like the call, just that demarcation line is going to make it real difficult for me. I thought the replay confirmed that it was the right call. You're telling me that you thought the replay brought more questions? Again, there's no point where I thought it was a bad stoppage. I think it's a good stoppage. What I'm saying is what I was looking for was at the moment of intervention by the referee, what was Brown showing in terms of his faculties? And the answer is
Starting point is 00:19:58 not enough like the stoppage was good but it was better than it was on the descent right like if you watch the replay his eyes go like like you know one way and the other and then when he turtles and then looks up eventually he's a little bit more with it but obviously the stoppage already happened to the point again i'm saying did mark smith make uh did he act on a reasonable basis to call a halt to that contest i absolutely think that he did yeah brutal brutal strike it really was flush seemed to not came out on the way down as we mentioned after the fight you got it not only the in cage call out of the somehow still ranked colby covington but you got a little uh force put behind that a little spice sprinkled on top yeah you know what i'm going to do i'm going to make
Starting point is 00:20:43 the call to our friends over at quervo for some shots fired of course you already knew shots fired brought you by quervo now is a good time to enjoy the tequila that in invented tequila. Here is Gabriel Bonfim at the post-fight press conference explaining why. He not only wants Colby Covington next, he wants to put him out of the business for good. Saw the Colby Covington call. It's a great call, man. So what about that call really? What about Colby? Sorry, made you really want to call him out and obviously you want to, wanting to fight him. We've heard him. Why do you want to talk with him? What do you want to call him? Ah, it's the only guy that's practically available, uh, in true rank. And it's a guy
Starting point is 00:21:26 He's the guy that's travaing the category. I think he's the one that's holding up the weight class. He's the one not fighting, holding up, he's ranked, is holding up the weight class, and I need to be the one to retire him. And would you say there's a little bit of added motivation from what he said about Brazil a couple years ago? I think he was a lot of money
Starting point is 00:21:44 that he said some years ago. Exactly, he merits a corrective. Absolutely, he needs to be corrected and I'll do that. Coventon, of course, is 37 years old, hasn't fought in what is a lot. approaching a year and has lost five of his last seven, although he continues to be ranked to number 10 right now in this division. Not everyone loved this callout, however. Let's bring
Starting point is 00:22:08 in friend of the program, Abron, Aaron Bronstetter, who hits a Twitter afterwards and said, calling out Kobe Covington in 2025. Five is like calling out Terrence Crawford for a boxing match wasted mic time. Luke, do you agree with A.B's take right here? I don't understand the comparison. But, but, oh, okay, okay, okay. So what he's saying is calling out Crawford is a waste of time.
Starting point is 00:22:39 Not because Colby and Crawford are situated in similar ways within their respective sports, but that it's not, it's going to elicit the same kind of non, non-committal response, or no response at all. Yeah, there's probably some truth of that. Although I actually feel like, I mean, what is my level of interest in Bonfeme versus Colby?
Starting point is 00:22:59 I wouldn't say it's particularly high, but B.C., if you're Bonfeme and you see that, we have to back up a second here. Why is Colby Covington still ranked? This is insane to me. This is like the most outrageous, ridiculous, what is happening here kind of moment. So if you're a Bonfeme and you see that there's this kind of weirdness in the rankings market and you just had a nice win, which we could all say no matter what, it was a very nice win, why wouldn't you call him out it may yield nothing i understand that like a colby might have to look
Starting point is 00:23:29 at that and say bonfeme who cares but if i'm bonfeme i'm at like what is the easiest fight he can get in that division in the top ten i realize that well you can just say the tenth ranked guy in this case but even if the rankings were shuffled a little bit more i would still point to colby in that position brilliant call actually i disagree with ab and the most the biggest reason why for me is first of all he explained it get a guy out of the rankings that a nobody likes be that shouldn't be in there and why is he in there? You could always argue because he's the perfect villain B-side for somebody on the way up. He's a gatekeeper at this point. Also, some people argue that when you get paid a lot of money, and Colby certainly does, they'll keep you in the top 10 to justify
Starting point is 00:24:08 paying you that much to put you in fights where you can do what I said, put over the younger fighters. But the biggest reason I agree with this callout at this exact moment is because this Saturday at UFC 322, we have three welterweight fights on the main card, all of which affect the top 10 of the rankings, including a must-see title fight. So the point of that being, there's not going to be a bunch of immediately available ranked fighters. Why don't you pick out the type of name that will draw some crossover interests that'll put your name over by getting the rub against them?
Starting point is 00:24:39 What casual M.M.A fan has heard is Gabriel Baumfim right now. Yet he's riding a four-fight win striker and has now some consecutive victories over some decent names. To me, that's the perfect way. You beat an old guy. You get the rub. then you catapult in there to the type of, you know, mid top 10 opponent that can take you literally into the title picture. So I had no problem with it.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Some of that for me, too, is that I also just want Colby out of these rankings. I mean, it's just ridiculous. Long Island, look, you've been speaking in our private chat. Why don't you just say it to these people's faces? Well, everyone's wondering why Kobe's still number 10. I mean, he lost a title fight to Leon Edwards, who's still ranked number four. And he lost to Joaquin Buckley last December, who's ranked number seven. And like, I'm not saying he deserves that spot,
Starting point is 00:25:23 but he has fought within a year and he lost the two top 10 guys. It's not like he's losing the scrubs. Yeah, but he hasn't been a top 15 guy. Sure, Los Vidal was his last win. You're right. But yeah, I mean, dude, he's not doing, compare his record of activity and achievement to literally anyone around him. It doesn't make any sense.
Starting point is 00:25:40 I'm not justifying it. I'm just saying, well, I guess I am. But I'm not saying, a little bit. I'm not personally justifying it. I'm just saying I see why he's still ranks, if that makes any sense. Yeah, dude, I would love to be ranked off. of just fucking losing. That'd be sick, you know.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Yeah, yeah. Brian Ortega gets that a lot, unfortunately, as well. They love leaving these veterans in there, although I guess I can kind of understand the strategy connected to that right there. We do have some words here post-fight from Gabriel Bonfim about his performance and how he is progressing and evolving. I'm very pleased with all this.
Starting point is 00:26:11 I feel great. The main event, a great performance, a great finish. Let's go to the next one. I'm a guy of a trocaation. My strength is my game. My essence is from striking, my background is from striking, and I believe in a game plan. I follow my strategy, and it happened. I knocked him out.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Ah, I was very tranquil. Nothing different to me. I prepared for this. I trained for the main event. I was visualizing the main event, so I trained for it. I was prepared for it. There was really no difference. I felt great.
Starting point is 00:26:39 I don't know what he thinks, guys. I said, I believe. I'm a guy from the, I like trading. I'm a striker. I approved with Josh Thompson. Now I approved with Randy Brown. And I'm here to keep getting better. and bring the next guy.
Starting point is 00:26:52 Every fight is a learning to for me. I believe every fight is learning to for me. Even the wins and the loss, the loss of Dalby put me on different level. I knew that I had to level up. And that's what I think. I level up every time. Every fight I get better. And every fight I evolve and I grow, so I can get better the next fight.
Starting point is 00:27:11 I think there's a top 10. Well, I believe I deserve a top 10. I really have been fighting around to deserve top 10, but we'll see what they do. I'll keep doing what I'm doing and get it. what i'm doing and getting better and waiting for name love that he called wonder boy josh thompson there by the way a little little slip of the tongue uh for the only man to uh finish nate d as via head kick uh luke to close on the bone theme discussion if he doesn't get colby but does get
Starting point is 00:27:35 an additional top 10 opponent wouldn't wakkeem buckley be the perfect fight coming off a loss to usman which snapped a six fight win streak that would kind of be the perfect next step let's see what you got about against that style do you disagree i mean honestly honestly, I don't know what the promotion wants for Bonfeme, which really is maybe the most important consideration here. But dude, do you pick him over number 11 Gilbert Burns? Yes. Really? Yes.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Long Island, would you pick him over Burns? I'd have to see the odds, but I will say Gilbert has kind of let me down a lot in his last I mean, he's definitely, he's almost 40 for crying out loud. Like it's, you know, he's long. I don't know. I would need to see it. Jeff Neal's also sitting at 12. Like, I don't know, man. I would want to see, I mean, Buckley is sitting at seven. Yeah, Jeff Neal's a tough fight for him. I'd fully agree. Yeah, maybe Jeff Neal and then we'll go from there.
Starting point is 00:28:27 Our boy, Gilberto, has lost four in a row and has been stopped in two of those, Luke. So it's like, you know, I love Gilbert Burns. The dude's 39 and. Yeah, he's old. I mean, he's on, I mean, literally he's on his second professional career. The first one was in jujitsu. Just don't, just don't judge Gabriel by what his bro's been doing, which is. Well, clearly of the Bonfeme brothers,
Starting point is 00:28:49 Gabrielle is the one that's got some upside. We can at least a real map for sure. It's good old Ismail turning into Lance Evans over there. Shout out to that guy. All right. Let's go to topic number two right now. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down.
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Starting point is 00:29:41 improving to 2-0 in his second stint with the UFC and the tough season 33 winner. Pretty much made it look. easy from start to finish for as long as it lasted and it didn't last that long. Bopo went on to say, quote, that he matches up great with current flyweight champion Alexandre Pantosia. How much of a threat do you believe the 31-year-old Morales is appearing to be Luke now that he's riding a five-fight win streak and seems to be very comfortable here in his second stint in the
Starting point is 00:30:10 octagon? Yeah, I got to say, this is, this was a nice win, the way he was able to capture the crucifix, the way he was able to finish BC like on the finish, he knew which way, I mean, you understand like when you work crucifix positions like that, you begin to troubleshoot what the escapes tend to look like or the resistance
Starting point is 00:30:29 to it. And what you can tell from that is he is so well versed from that position that he knows what majority what their opponents are going to do and which way they're going to roll. So he allows him to come to his base so that he can lock up the guillotine choke, dude, that was real slick.
Starting point is 00:30:46 That was real, real slick. You know, the guy wins the ultimate fighter on a split decision, but then to the point you raise comes out here and he's got back-to-back submissions and two fights, but both from this year, I thought this was very impressive. Again, these apex cards with guys who are, you know, outside traditional rankings placement makes it a little hard to know what it means for the future and what it does for their placement. But I can just say that was, Matt Schnell's is a experienced opponent
Starting point is 00:31:14 who's beaten some good guys for sure. you know, the only issue for me is he's kind of floated with retirement than unflirted with it. So that, you know, always creates a question of my mind about, you know, if you're going to get the best version of themselves. But nevertheless, he is still a good opponent, a credentialed one. And Morales kind of ran the table on him. That was very, very impressive for me. Yeah, Long Island, Luke and I want to correct you quickly and just saying,
Starting point is 00:31:38 Morales from the semi-final of tough by split. Ah, excuse me. I apologize. The final, which counted as an official UFC fight was the stop. That was the I here. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah, very good performance out of there. But I do have to ask you this, Luke. He was very confident.
Starting point is 00:31:51 By the way, challenged the UFC in the post-fight interview to bring the promotion back to Sacramento, which had me question like, oh, yeah, he's right. We don't see them there in that in that MMA hotbed often. Is that because Strike Force had put their flag down there so aggressively, Luke, or not? I mean, I feel like Strike Force is more of a Bay Area promotion. Scott Coker was a season ticket holder for the Warriors. No way, dude. He was Sacramento.
Starting point is 00:32:15 They lived and died in Sacramento for a while. They lived and died in San Jose. Oh, you're right. I'm confusing San Clemento and San Jose. Like I often do. He was right or die for San Jose. I went to the Tito Ortiz. Fair.
Starting point is 00:32:28 Who was the, who was the Bellator Light Heavyweight, the tall, lanky one that he beat? Liam McGarry, I think it was his name? Yes, that's right. I went to that one in San Jose and there was posters, or not posters, I should say, advertisements all over town for it.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Yeah, my fall on the Sacramento was screw up. there. The UFC was last in Sacramento, according to Long Island Luke in July of 2019, Jermaine Duran to me, that quick finish of Aspen Ladd in the main event right there. All right. Luke, real quick to close on Morales here, he appealed to the kids with this six, seven celebration. Did that turn you off at all? And what do you think of his inventive chest here? Just having the Vigene in the middle of his pecks there covered, but nothing else. It's kind of like Kimbo, who, you know, really revolutionized different. chest hair designs. People, this is Brian Ebersol erasure. You guys don't remember Brian Ebersol,
Starting point is 00:33:21 but he actually was the first one to do arrows, I think. Maybe he did it after Kimbo. I can't quite recall, but he was doing a lot of different inventive stuff. The six, seven thing is what my daughter does. So, you know, just for clarification, it would have popped with that audience. All right. Let's keep it going down here. Let's go to the Walterway division. Eurostmedich admitted post-fight that he was, quote, super scared of Muslim Salikov yet delivered a 63 second, K.O. Has the doctor become a 170 year worth
Starting point is 00:33:51 watching, or do you believe he's still in Feaster Famine mode where he wins by K.O. and then gets K.O. in the next fight. I thought this was a nice win. He just marched him down, dude. He marched him down and had him backed up against the fenceer pretty close to it, and then landed a big overhand,
Starting point is 00:34:07 sat him down, then finished him off. Dude, this was real good from Euros Medich. I love this performance from him. And I love the callout, too. It didn't work because he didn't get the bonus, but he was like, how am I not getting bonuses? You just look at my fights and one way or the other, these bammas are not going to decisions. You know what I mean? Like I'm a deliverer of action.
Starting point is 00:34:25 And in this particular case, I thought he had a great argument for it. Again, hard to know what it means exactly about, you know, where the returning corners, but he put two wins together. He's got his three out of his last four. Let's see if he can keep winning as he escalates. That's always the most important thing, yeah. Speaking of bonuses that never came, Chris Taco Padilla used the entirety of his post-fight interview to literally beg the UFC for the 50K bonus saying it would allow him to move his mom out of a trailer park.
Starting point is 00:34:52 What was ultimately more sad in your eyes? The fact that he put on that performance literally begged for it and did not get the 50K or the fact that his opponent, Ismail Bonefim, missed weight by five rounds and then completely gassed out in round two. Five pounds. Five pounds. You said five rounds. I thought Chris Padilla, Taco looked.
Starting point is 00:35:15 really, really good here. As you indicated, his record is starting to look a lot more impressive. So he's never lost in UFC as the LX5. Yeah, he has no losses in UFC. He made his debut back in April of 2024. As we indicated on Friday, you know, the Jai Herbert win was nice, but I didn't see necessarily, you know, he beat Rong Zhu and James Yontop. These are fine wins as a starter pack kind of operation, but you didn't really know what it means. But as you indicated short notice opponent misses comes in here and just forcefully puts it on him i mean i don't know what's not to love i i think it's been pretty instruct oh by the way long island lucas saying chris bedia has been a dog in all four of his ufc fights and is four and oh let's go let's go man
Starting point is 00:36:05 this is exactly the kind of underdog story you want this this thing is apparently there's belief again i don't think i don't know if there's a official ufc policy but there's some some kind of belief that if the fighters beg for bonuses in post-fight, they won't get, they won't get money. And obviously, that there appears to be, if not a written rule, some kind of informal adherence to that. I would say a couple of things. I mean, first, I think it's kind of instructive that the UFC's response to fighters begging for money is penalization and not better pay. I think people should take a little moment to sit with that. and the other one I would say here is BC like whatever your view on fighter pay is I hope everyone
Starting point is 00:36:48 understands it at nothing and I do mean nothing will change unless they are forced to change unless there is a court order and like for example with the anti or not antitrust but the class action lawsuit like unless there's that kind of mechanism or a law is passed or something unless the force of law is brought to the table as a way to remedy pay disputes or, you know, pay shortages, whatever you would like to describe it, it's going to be what it's going to be.
Starting point is 00:37:23 And I hope everyone is at least understanding of that basic fact. I mean, if you can't get it from the organization, you might as well get it from the guy with the trench coat in the alley outside the apex who's offering your 70K to throw the fight. All along out, look, let me read to you the four people who received 50K bonuses on Saturday.
Starting point is 00:37:39 and you tell me if they deserved it more than taco are you ready sir i'm ready yes gabriel bonfim yes yes c ld yes yes josh hoakett no no because his opponent sucked and he's like beats everyone by finish but it was a nice knockout he folded he looked fine but but but padilla really looked good okay and how about the curtain jerker zach rice who in a catchweight fight absolutely not submitted jackson mcvay so it seems like they maybe they did hold it against him for calling them out. What are they factoring in here? Because Zach Reese got his ass beat in the first round.
Starting point is 00:38:15 He was an underdog going into round two, came back and won. He was a huge favorite to start that fight, by the way. So, like, are they like, oh, he showed resilience. He came back and won. Like, Chris Badea accepted his opponent missing weight by five pounds, still took the fight and finished the dude. And still, that's bullshit, man. I thought it was pretty sad.
Starting point is 00:38:31 He didn't get it. I also didn't like that he had to beg that aggressively for it. He had a post-fight press conference talk where he was crying, talking about his mom, And I mean, I get it from the organization. You can't bully them into a corner, but it continues to show the disparity in the sport and the fact that guys like Taco de Padilla who are trying to become legitimate contenders
Starting point is 00:38:52 sometimes can't even afford the training camps necessary to be in a position to do that. Yeah, can we just sort of back up here? I mean, there was obviously no betting discrepancies this week, which was great to see. I'm very good. No weird refereeing. Again, you can debate about the Mark Smith stoppage in the main event,
Starting point is 00:39:07 but it didn't appear weird. to me, no matter what position you come to, it seemed to me like one of those sort of standard MMA cases. But there was a suggestion last week. Again, there's just people in the sport who are absolutely immune to evidence. And there's nothing you can say to them about fighter pay that will really get them to budge. But A, I'm going to say one, I think the worm is turning a little bit on this. I'm beginning to see more fans who have recognized there are these limits that exist for a company that is flush with cash probably shouldn't be as egregious as they are. But more to the point BC, we were talking about this last week, which is people make this argument about folks
Starting point is 00:39:42 who throw fights as like, oh, this is one of integrity. And yet, obviously, integrity is, if not the most important component, certainly chief among them, right? I mean, yes, if you're willing to engage in criminal behavior, then this speaks to something about your character. However, the point to be made here is people who are in financial distress or people who can be financially leveraged are clearly much more likely to engage in that kind of behavior. And you can see that this class of fighter good enough to make it and win at the UFC, but not good enough to make a lot of money, you can see why they would be vulnerable as prey to the betting predators,
Starting point is 00:40:21 so to speak, wherever they may be, and why this particular subgroup of fighter is being targeted. It's really not very difficult to see that. They're open, they're ripe for the picking, given the financial, limitations that they face day in, day out. I would agree with you on that one. Speaking of CLD, the middleweight Christian Leroy Duncan, when his third straight fight, including his second consecutive spinny shit, K.O.
Starting point is 00:40:47 By brutally ending Marco Tullio, first we do have a cage side fan footage of the stoppage, if you want to talk about. Some people thought it came too late, thinking that Tullio took too much of a beating. But Luke, will you say this as you watch it? Is it time at the very least for CLD to get a way? Wikipedia page. Is he coming on? Yeah, CLD look real good. This was a real nice win. I like this one from him. He really put it on him. He was clever. He was physical. You know, he had Tullio kind of on his heels or at a bare minimum thinking a lot about what he wanted to do. And the guy was, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:23 he was laying heavy lumber to him. So I really liked this fight. I, in this performance in particular. Again, some of these guys on these cards, man, they're quietly putting together, if not the most impressive runs you've ever seen, maybe not that, but real redemptive, real important, you know, in the trenches kind of work in their career and it deserves to be more broadly recognized. Hey, speaking of trenches and speaking of redemption, how about 38-year-old Hione Barcellos? I couldn't believe this one.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Yes, who co-delivered with Ricky Simone an absolute Bannamweight banger over three rounds, which featured high technical and defensive skills and just a ton of accurate output. But in the end, Barcellos winning a close decision to extend that current win streak to four. So much so that he's going to get some sound on this show right now talking about it. I'm very happy. I feel great. I literally closed the year with the Golden Key.
Starting point is 00:42:17 I have three wins in this year. So showing everybody that now I'm ready for our top contender, a ranked fighter, and I'm ready for that. I think my maturity. I think what differentiates is experience. Have a lot of experience. And these guys come in and I'm ready to. to fight them. Here's the deal. I have, I'm like wine. I think the older I get, the better I get, the more experience I get. So I feel like my experience is making a big difference
Starting point is 00:42:41 in these wins versus these guys. And I'm just getting more experience. So I'm just going to keep getting better. Ricky has a style very similar to mine. So I know he's going to come high pace with the rest, with the boxing. But we studied it a lot. So I focus on my boxing. I use my boxing more. My takedown defense. I did get some takedowns. And he got back. like up on the feet, but that was my strategy to use my boxing better. It worked for me. So I feel great. So I would like to keep it going.
Starting point is 00:43:08 I don't want to stop. So I'll be ready to fight, probably March, January next year. I'm proving to everybody that I'm going to stay in shape. I'm ready to go. Like why, you know, just keep getting better with age. And I'm ready for 2026. Do the same thing I did this year. Look, in theory, this shouldn't have happened.
Starting point is 00:43:23 Yet he had a beautiful body punch attack. That right upper cut was on the money. How impressed were you overall with the fact that he seems to be getting better with age? I couldn't believe it. I thought this was where the buck was going to stop. And, you know, I'm not saying there's a scorecard for, for Simone, but what did you have? It is the third round being the swing round? That's how I kind of saw it.
Starting point is 00:43:43 It was 29, 28 on all three scorecards. And I agree with that. Give him one and three. Yeah. Yeah. No, Barstulles, I gave him two and three. Two and three. That's right.
Starting point is 00:43:51 I'm sorry. Yes. Yeah. I think that's right. So to me, I was so impressed, as you indicated, like, dude, he just seems a lot more buttoned up. They're just the pieces of the game connect more easily. He's not as frustrated by a failed attack.
Starting point is 00:44:04 He can reconstitute attack much easier than he did before. Again, he seems much more defensively aware. I'm amazed by his cardio, but I can't believe this guy is peaking near 40, but by God, that's exactly what he's doing. He's earned a big fight here, and BC, I would argue, on a much bigger card, and certainly a much better placement on a much bigger card. You don't see old guys out there, you know, providing a ton of value like this good for him and again how far can he take it i thought it was
Starting point is 00:44:34 going to stop on saturday but he's off to the races let's see how far he can push it i love it i'm all in on this story this is fun and he's getting better like we say every time look the next topic probably should be a talk about jacqueline cavalcanti improving to 10 in one and five and oh in the ufc as maybe a legitimate women's ban on wake contender but it's hard not to lead with the myraub O Silva part of it. She fought for a vacant UFC title last year, January of 2024. And since then, she's winless in five with four consecutive defeats. Don't forget, by the way, she gassed out in that Rocky Pennington title fight in round
Starting point is 00:45:12 two, which was super disappointing. And on Saturday against Cavalcanti, she was lifeless. She refused to cut down the distance. She got beat up from the outside. She didn't seem to have a strong gas tank for the three rounds. and this was after all but guaranteeing a stoppage win and saying the very best of her was about to come. Luke at age 34, forget about the very vest of her.
Starting point is 00:45:34 Is this the last of her? In probably a fall off that I can really only compare to Hennon Barow, although he had achieved much more. He was an interim and then full champion and pound for pound ranked. But I cannot remember somebody falling off this aggressively from legitimate title contention to full on lifelessness. Yeah, and again, it's not like she's getting, she had the one stoppage, as you indicated, via cut to Macy Chiasin, Chaison.
Starting point is 00:46:03 Shazahn, yeah, Shazahn. I'm teasing. But in other words, it's still kind of hanging on, but B.C., I don't know how you felt. I thought she looked lifeless. I thought she looked kind of out of ideas. I thought she kind of looked, like, I'm not saying she was ever a physical bruiser. That's not quite true, but she didn't have much of that either. I don't know if she's had problems with weight cuts, BC, and it's really messed her up. You know, maybe she's made the weight, but it messed her up. I don't know, but to your point. Well, there was a situation in Saudi where she, women weren't allowed in the sauna,
Starting point is 00:46:37 so they had to dress her up like a man to be able to have a chance at cutting weight for that one. Yeah, that's a little different. That's a little different. But the point I'm trying to make is she might be done. She might be done. I, you know, I've seen redemption stories. I've seen people turn it around 34. She shouldn't be that far out of her prime.
Starting point is 00:46:54 but the way she's looking it's not just that she's losing to good opponents which would be one thing she's losing to good opponents in what are otherwise deteriorating and lifeless performances and that's the part that i'm like you know it's not like dude imagine she would lost the first two rounds because she got battered but then would surge in the third or something like that that's really not what you're seeing you're not seeing someone who can rally you're not seeing someone who can sustain an attack for crying out loud you're seeing someone who's got to got some ability, but it's just powered by an engine and I think a fire more broadly that appears to be missing. Yeah. I mean, Shodzakovalcante in a dead division. She's on a nice
Starting point is 00:47:35 little run. We'll see if she continue it. But I don't even feel like she looked great. And Dominic Cruz was kind of ripping both fighters for not stepping on the gas and closing the distance. And I think he was right. Luke, former NFL player who had a brief run there. And former regional maga post fight screamer josh hoit had a very successful heavyweight debut here in the ufc making quick work of a fellow debut ton in uh what was the guy's name he menace jimenez you got to say look fast hands power athleticism i didn't love the post fight you know copy and paste chel sun in rap but what do you think about josh hokit's upside in this division again he wrestled at the collegiate level he appears to be a good athlete he has a good athlete who's relatively
Starting point is 00:48:27 young in a division where youth and good athleticism is in short supply um i don't know what the win means i didn't think he deserved to get the bonus relative to the other folks on this card who i thought performed in better and in more difficult circumstances but whatever you get the idea i you know it was a nice win he should go far but I don't know what it means. Like Greg Hardy looked good on the Contender Series, you know, and then before everything really fell apart, you were like, oh, wow, this guy could be a great thing.
Starting point is 00:49:00 But we need to see. So nice win. Doesn't mean much. Well, he called out the explosive Walter Walker after the fight, and even though Walker would go on to delete this post, here was his initial reaction, and now I can't read it without my glasses. Luke, I'm old. Can you read that?
Starting point is 00:49:14 Josh Hokit, I want you next. I'm going to kick your head like a soccer ball and force you to respect Brazil. and our culture, U POS. All right, there you go. You down for that fight or not? It's an interesting fight because Walter Walker is a little bit unknown as a kind of, like, I mean, I realize that we've seen him a bunch, but he just keeps doing the same bit
Starting point is 00:49:35 that shouldn't work against an athlete like Hokit, and if it doesn't, what else is there? So there's some intriguing, intriguing elements to that fight, sure. All right, that was the UFC Apex card this weekend. We do have a loaded show. We've got to continue. And let me tell you something right now, though. from the bright lights of New York City and straight to your living room,
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Starting point is 00:51:38 to look at the larger storyline circling in the abyss here ahead of this card at the world's most famous arena new york's madison square garden and this road to ufc 322 is brought to you by total wireless, the official wireless provider of UFC, get unlimited data that won't slow you down. LT, we've got a loaded card, at least for 2025 standards. So from Islam Mahachev's pursuit of immortality
Starting point is 00:52:04 as a potential two division champion and UFC co-record holder for consecutive wins, to the biggest and most important women's bout, at least one of them in MMA history, Saturday's loaded card is filled with many things to talk about. What is the one element of this card that either intrigues or excites you the most as we head into Saturday? I think that it's both a showcase of this and depending on the results, it could make the argument ironclad, which is that there's a great argument to be made, BC, that Welterweight is the best division in the sport right now.
Starting point is 00:52:41 And there were times in the past where that was the case, certainly, but there were times where it wasn't. it kind of fluctuated and it was lost for a while, particularly as bantam weight surged, as lightweight surged. I think most people have been historically, at least in the last few years, you know, kind of considering 135 or 155 the best, at times some of the top stuff going on at 145 with Volk and Max and Ilya Taboria maybe undid some of that. But BC, just look at 170 right now.
Starting point is 00:53:07 You've got three fights just on the main card about 170, the main event itself. And then, of course, Sean Brady versus Michael Morales, which could be a number one contender fight. Then you've also got Leon Edwards, former champ taken on Carlos Prochus. Leon needs a win real badly. We're moving maybe the most important division
Starting point is 00:53:25 and maybe the best division forward in a huge way to get some answers. But what it really shows you is all the names that are not on this list that are still actually quite relevant as well. Perhaps a chief among them, Ian Garrier, who I know has a fight coming up against Bilal. There's also Shafkat Rockmonov sitting out there. you know what is it going to mean if Islam wins and now he add him as like a permanent fixture or at least a semi-permanent fixture in this division to me there's this big argument all the time what's the best division in the sport you can make it now already but i think after saturday it's going to be very very clear 170 is the division of kings and we're in for a great 2026 if these guys can stay healthy and stay active i'm glad you said that that was going to be my number one answer about the you know sorting out the the deepest
Starting point is 00:54:13 division top 1 through 15 with three fight cards with three fights we need to see here on the main card obviously including that championship out in the main event where jack della madalina will be a plus 220 underdog according to draft kings against the minus 270 islam mahachev but just the fact that in this era where maybe cards aren't as strong historically they didn't water down msg it still feels like a major and from the recent weeks i got to bring up this this graphic that are friends at MMA on point put out there, Luke. If you take RDR versus Allen, which was a replacement main event that had a kind of weird and lame turnout, which was the ass of this horse, then we had UFC 321, which had some meat on it.
Starting point is 00:54:58 But then you had the ribs showing for the last two fight night cards. How about that golden stallion that is 322 on Saturday? So many fights worth talking about and fighters. and Luke when we talk about that main event we all want to see what Islam will look at look like at 170 inside the cage well here's what he will physically look like yo this mother effort is Jack LT
Starting point is 00:55:20 yeah I mean he's not cutting a bunch of weight this time huh you can see a more you know normal so to speak looking Islam telling you man I can't I just can't wait for Saturday I just can't wait it's such a good fight it's such a good fight I love the storyline two division champion be in. I mean, look, is it, I'll say, I'll save a lot of these, these talks for pregame.
Starting point is 00:55:43 I want to ask you also about the impact of JDM having Volk and Craig Jones in his corner. I've got a little bit of sound here of JDM talking to the New York Post exactly about this. Your opponent coming up in Islamahadha, he does his best when he's able to get the fight down. You've worked with Craig Jones, of course, famously in terms of improving in that area and that kind of thing. Where does, where does his impact kind of help you the most when you're preferring for an opponent like both of these guys? I mean, yeah, he just instills confidence. He doesn't try and change too much.
Starting point is 00:56:16 He sort of looks at my style and then sees what will work and then we sort of just, yeah, he doesn't try to change too much. Just sort of a little small changes, small ideas that will work. But we feel like we've got another good game plan. I feel like I've got some good tricks. Obviously, Islam's very good on the floor,
Starting point is 00:56:34 a good finisher. Definitely probably a better finisher than below, no doubt. So, but I feel like I can, again, shock the world in the grappling department, keep it on the feet and get the win. Look, is it a bigger, is it a bigger unknown whether J.D.M can handle the grappling of Islam or whether Islam can get the better of him on the feet in this magic? The first. Could Islam get the better of him on the feet? Of course. I mean, they're wearing small gloves. There's a lot of things moving. moving different directions. It's MMA. It's wild. It's chaotic. Absolutely. But really, really, it comes down to Islam being able to mix the game up. Can he or can't he? And if he can't to what extent and where and what does it yield? That's where this fight is won and lost. That is
Starting point is 00:57:22 where everything happens. Because if it's, I mean, just straight up, if I told you Islam can't get him down and can't hold him for any meaningful time against the fence, that would make the pick relatively easy. You would just pick JDM. But we don't know if that's the case. And we don't know to what extent it will be the case even if it's at least somewhat true that's the that that is the main focus of this fight yeah i can't wait to see that uh let's go to some fun sound here from craig jones talking about this relationship just on my trains with della would have been doing some seminars in perth so we had a relationship for a bit of time but really i was just a fan and i like i keep saying this like i've stolen a lot of moves from him but i think he
Starting point is 00:58:00 smoked so many bongs that he forgets that those are his moves and i get to reteach them back to him and take full credit for it. Hilarious. Hilarious stuff right there. I love that. That was, by the way, Craig Jones being interviewed by a friend of the program, Al Wenling over there,
Starting point is 00:58:16 who's a part, of course, the CGI broadcast does a lot of great work in the BJJ world. We can't forget about how great this co-main event is that has been a pickum for most of the week, a literal pickum. Right now, the odds on this women's flyweight championship out, Valentina of Shevchenko minus 125,
Starting point is 00:58:34 Zhang Wei Li plus. plus 105 hey long island look play this picture speaking we're talking about islam getting jacked in his new weight class how about way lee with this video she's ready for 125 not not having to cut down to 115 uh l i l i look at this match up storyline wise i look mostly at the at the history involved here the fact that it's two of the most accomplished fighters in in female you know MMA history facing off against one another with so much at stake two division championship opportunity for way lee and i go okay maybe it's not a fight that's as historically relevant as cyborg versus newness and maybe it's not as you know pioneering as cyborg corano or as big
Starting point is 00:59:22 as some of the rousey matchups but it has so many other things going for and i wonder if you agree with me on this i was talking to cbs as brent brookhouse as we were sort of framing this fight And he came up with a great point, as great as Valentina and Wayley are, you could argue that both lack that one singular Hall of Fame win in their career. Maybe you can say it's Wayley outbrawling, uh, uh, uh, Yawanna to defend the title there. But Valentina for as great as she is, and by the way, if she wins on Saturday, she'll tie Amanda Nunes for the most title fight wins in women's UFC, uh, MMA history there. I almost feel like this is sort of the defining fight in some ways of both of their careers. Is that crazy or are you with me on that? I never once thought of it like that,
Starting point is 01:00:07 but that is actually a great point because like, what is Val's best win? Like we're not talking performance. You could say like Jessica I is her best performance, but like it's obviously not her best win. Is it also Yowana? Is it, uh, Holly home?
Starting point is 01:00:22 Juliana Pena? I don't know. No, it's a great point. It's like she came into 125 Val when it was kind of empty. It has reloaded. I give her a lot of credit for the second and third. third wins over Grasso. I said second because she got screwed on that draw. And then the Faroe win, I thought was great. But where is that one definitive one? That would, this would
Starting point is 01:00:42 certainly be that in some ways for a Val, although Val did beat Yawanna as well as Waley, but I don't know. It's, it's, it's, it's interesting. It's going to be a great fight. I'm fired up. Long Island, do you have any storyline associated to Saturday that you're most juiced about? I'm looking at this Leon Edwards Carlos Prattis fight, dude. I feel like Leon Edwards, the awesome. are what's sticking out to me he's like plus 170 and i was on submission radio yesterday and i was talking about how like even in carlos protest versus jeff neal i was big on jeff neil in that fight and you already know i said ian gary was going to run through you know like i'm i'm not a hater of carlos practice i actually really like the guy i just feel like i'm a doubter of his
Starting point is 01:01:21 skills and i feel like someone like leon edwards who's lost two in a row could probably use a win here he's lost to the number one contender number two contender not bad losses at all uh this is be a big fight for either guy whoever wins it's intriguing because it's like oh shit protest is for real or it's like oh shit leon still in the top five still kind of has it so agreed protest minus one 98 favorite over the one six plus 164 edwards and he can't sleep on sean brady versus michael morales holy crap minus 142 brady the slight favorite over the plus 120 morales a lot more on ufc 32 coming to you from mk on thursday but this podcast right here right now. Sponsored by Total Wireless, the official wireless partner of UFC. And when you're
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Starting point is 01:03:50 toward a fight against Duran Bootsanis, a fellow unbeaten junior middleweight that would, in some ways, be for the uncrown championship, as neither are current title holders but are sort of loosely considered the best two in the division right there. Luke Thomas, I know how pumped you would be for Virgil Ortiz versus Boots Ennis. I want to know how pumped. When you look ahead to 2006 in boxing,
Starting point is 01:04:15 knowing we're going to get fights like Taylor, People versus Chaucor, where would a Virgil Ortiz Boots Ennis fight rank among the most anticipated for you? Can I ask one quick question of qualification? is the fight for late January between Shakur and Teo signed and done? The report is that it's like nine-tenths of the way there for January 31st at Madison Square Garden. It has not been announced.
Starting point is 01:04:40 Just in fairness to that fight, that would be pretty big. Now, I don't know how big it would be as a blockbuster event, but in terms of a big fight taking place stateside for, what would that fight be at, 135, 140? That fight would be at 140, yes, for Teo Femos belt. Yeah, 140. That would be tremendous. That would be tremendous. But BC, I just got to say, it feels to me, like reading the tea leaves, that this potential
Starting point is 01:05:09 fight between Geron, Boots, Ennis, and Virgil Ortiz, it's arguably the best fight you can make in boxing within a single division. It's arguably that. And I would say that the buzz that I read on Saturday night and just seeing what people were saying, it might also be. the most anticipated now again there could be bigger fights you could cook up i suspect for example that if we get tyson fury versus anthony joshua in twenty 26 at i'll make something up wembley in the uk that would be a pretty significant boxing event you get me benavitas better be i might
Starting point is 01:05:42 i might turn down all other fights but this one's fair enough but this one yeah dude or t i'll just wrap it up or t's versus boots is if not the most anticipated fight in twenty 26 on the very short list and for great reasons. We want to see a breakout star in BC. I really, really hope. Can I just say as a small note? I really hope they put this fight state side. I'll take it no matter what, like any other boxing fan would. But I feel like the American market really needs something like this. And I honestly feel like it could be a big spark if it's handled the right way and promoted the right way. I fully agree with you here. Both promoters of the two fighters, Golden Boy representing Virgil Ortiz, matchroom, representing Boots Ennis, are on the zone.
Starting point is 01:06:25 It seems like an easy one to make, although there's some hurdles that have come out since Saturday. We'll talk about that in a second. First, I do want to talk about the finish. Luke, I expected a lot more of Erickson Lubin in this fight, even though his kryptonite could be his chin. Here's a ringside view of the finish. Lubin had been hurt by a left hand.
Starting point is 01:06:43 He was lingering far too long on the ropes. There's a slupor, slow-mo version of this replay where you could see he just brutally finishes Lubin with a left hook. All in all, I kind of wanted to see more resistance. in this one, but I can't take away with what Virgil Ortiz did. I mean, I wrote this B.C., and I, I, maybe you might disagree with the characterization. To me, Lubin was a flaw, we said this on Friday, I believe, a flawed opponent, but a quality one. And the issue was, you know, he'd been obviously stopped by Charlo, right? That was one issue.
Starting point is 01:07:15 The other issue was, for example, in the Fondora fight, he just kind of swole up, like he got stung by a B. I'm not so sure that he has chin issues, B.C. as much as an A, I mean, he, I feel like there's a distinction between having chin issues and then general durability problems. I actually feel like they're slightly, they're, they're, they're very aligned, but somewhat different. And I thought to me, Dustin Porier is a little chinny, but insanely durable. Yes, something like that. Or you can be, you know, not really chinny at all, but have, you know, bad durability to the body, right? That can be a thing too. So I feel like Lubin was a little bit more.
Starting point is 01:07:55 more of the latter. But the point I'm trying to make is Ortiz, you know, Lubin is not a joke. Whatever else you want to say about him, he's not a joke. I didn't really like that Moro was like, oh, he's a shot fighter, like right after he gets beat. I thought that was a little bit much. But I thought he was a quality opponent, and he got mowed through.
Starting point is 01:08:11 It indicates both the potential of Ortiz, who by the way, you know, he didn't finish Israel Madramov, B.C., but he beat up Madramov real good. He had him very disciplined in that long fight card that they were on. And I thought that was one of his better performances, even if it didn't yield a stoppage. And clearly what it also indicates B.C. is if you don't put a good
Starting point is 01:08:29 top class opponent in front of him, in front of Ortiz, dude, he's just going to mow right through him on just a basic level of getting the most out of him. He needs an opponent like bud, to say nothing else of that it has to be next or that the sport wants it or any of the other other considerations. So I really thought, did you learn a lot about Ortiz? Only in the sense that it's time for the bullshit to stop. We got to put this guy in front of a real killer and see what happens. Yeah, right after the fight, they brought in Eddie Hearn and Geron Boots on us for a face off and it got my blood boil in there. The quote there from Virgil Ortiz is, we're ready for the best. We want to fight the best. Boots come over here. He did. They took this pick. You want to hear
Starting point is 01:09:08 what Boots thought about it. Fight Hub TV caught up with him ringside. I think I think Louva was kind of like out. I mean, it was a good stop it. It was a good Did you expect that type of performance from what he's not going to dovin that early? A lot of people are saying it's going to finish. It was not to go past 10. You think he was going to go by the second? I got to say before, Louerick can't be a fighter. You know, I thought it was going to go a little longer, but you know, he got the job done.
Starting point is 01:09:33 But I got something for it. I'm a shirt. This fight is going to be so awesome. But here's the problem, Luke. They're already doing a lot of business posturing after this fight. You got Rick Marigi and the manager of Boutz, I'm sorry, of Virgil Ortiz, and Oscar De La Jolla, both sort of saying like, we need big time money to take this fight. We need $10 million to take this fight. I don't know if that's just posturing for the point of trying to get Turkey to come in and pay them stupid money for it, or if this really means we're going to have to build to this when the fight is right in front of us right now.
Starting point is 01:10:14 And why I say that is because you're starting to hear both camps saying, we want to fight the other person, but we're willing to fight other people. Here's a Jake Donovan tweet criticizing what Oscar said after the fight. He says, Oscar de La Jolla has now twice claimed Golden Boy holds the upper hand and talks for Ortiz, Ennis, first during the in-ring post-fight interview and now during a post-fight press conference, not the nonsense we need, just make the fight, especially after tonight's buzz. Hassan had a similar tweet after that in which he, said, Oscar de La Jolla says that
Starting point is 01:10:46 Virgil Ortiz is not the A side with boots, it will not happen. And they will look at Errol Spence and Sebastian Fondora. Now, the Errol Spence fight has long been the dream fight for Virgil Ortiz. They're both from Dallas. They wanted to do this at Jerry World. They always talked about it. Virgil even said after the fight,
Starting point is 01:11:04 I actually want the Spence fight more than boots to be fair and honest with you, because it's his dream fight. Then you hear reports on Twitter that Golden Boys already talking to PBC about that fight. Luke, do you feel like if it doesn't happen next, they're going to miss this? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:21 Yeah, leave it to boxing in the middle of a takeover from a monopoly in a sister sport that they're out here just fucking, you know, flicking their own nut sacks around and imagining that this is some kind of enjoyable game that we all like to watch. Dude, I mean, listen, I'll be honest, BC, I'll be honest.
Starting point is 01:11:39 Virgil Ortiz versus Errol Spence, I'm not going to sit here and pretend I hate that fight because I don't. Spence was in attendance. on Saturday watching it. I don't hate that fight at all. I absolutely don't hate that fight. And you know, you have really, I mean, he sold himself to the public,
Starting point is 01:11:50 but you have also sold me on the fact that, you know, Fondora, there's something special about him. I don't hate a fight between Virgil Ortiz and Sebastian Fondora either. I don't hate it. I think if you got either of those, I wouldn't look at that and go, oh, these fights suck. No, that's not what I'm saying. But it just seems to me that if you're a mover and a shaker in boxing
Starting point is 01:12:08 and you're looking around at the state of the sport and you're thinking to yourself, we can just play the same old fuck-fuck game. of not delivering on what the fans actually want. I mean, I'm not saying that you deserve to have a monopoly come take your business. That's really not what I'm saying. But it's not like you're doing a lot to actively resist it on the parts that you can control. This is within your grasp to really reward the fans, to give them something,
Starting point is 01:12:32 especially BC after kind of a shit year in the sport of boxing, to really give them something a lot to hope for and look forward to. As I mentioned, of all the permutations you can make within a single division, the best one is boots versus Ortiz. I'll take Fondora versus Ortiz. I'll take Spence versus Ortiz, but it's just not the same as what you're going to get with boots.
Starting point is 01:12:54 And so to that end, B.C., like they might just whiff on this, but if they do, man, like what can you say? Y'all just deserve to lose your business. You just didn't care to keep it. Who cares? Exactly. Both of these promoters are under Turkey.
Starting point is 01:13:10 Both of them are on the zone. Make the damn fight. I hear Oscar saying we have to be the A side and we need 10 million or, you know, also Ortiz's manager saying something similar, then that leads me to believe maybe they don't think they can beat boots and they want to sort of cash it out. But I would hope that Turkey would step in. I really hope like you, this would not be in Saudi. I would love for this fight. Heck, I love that they grabbed Teofimo and Shakur and they're like, let's put it in MSG. Hell yeah, let's make it huge.
Starting point is 01:13:39 Let's take this fight, put it in a big city, in a big arena. You don't have to put it in Philly or Dallas to favor either guy. Put it in L.A. at the Staples Center. I don't care. But get Turkey involved. Make it the main event of a Ring Magazine card. And by the way, the Ring Magazine cards have been great. You got to give Turkey that credit for what he's done recently.
Starting point is 01:13:56 This seems like a perfect fight for that, Luke. I really hope it's not like the Co-Main and Saudi, but yet everybody gets paid more than they deserve. I don't know. Just make the damn fight. This is great. We got Buzz. We got legitimate buzz right now. Let's go to topic number five.
Starting point is 01:14:09 A great fight, which they did make. Thank you very much. It's Saturday. It's a rematch of that April dramatic insane slugfest. That is my current frontrunner for fight of the year in 2025. And frankly, one of the most dramatic fights of this entire decade. It's Chris Eubank Jr. versus Connor Ben, part two as the second generation British stars continue this legendary rivalry between families in which their fathers fought multiple times. This one's going to be back at Tottenham Hotspur's Stadium like it was the first one.
Starting point is 01:14:42 And the storylines are getting even juicier with ambulance gate and all the things established with their dad-As and all that. LT, there's, it's just remarkable how insane that April fight was when it could have been nothing, no title at stake, two guys that never truly lived up to their potential or, you know, came close to exceeding what their dads did. And Eubank, father and senior at that point, we're not talking, although it was a big pro wrestling ruse. and then they deliver drama, action. They're not even in the same weight class. It was just the perfect matchup in which the smaller Connor Ben acted like the bigger puncher,
Starting point is 01:15:21 yet ultimately got slightly outboxed in a war. Is there any chance that Saturday's fight can live up to or exceed what we saw just what, seven months ago? There's always a room whenever you. you get a fun fight, there's always room for reality that you might be in the first stage of a Vasquez, Marquez, you know, you're the first, first chapter of a Gotti ward or something like that. So essentially, what you're having to ask is, are we at one of those? Because BC, if you get another one, I mean, let's think realistically, if you get a second fight that's like the first, particularly
Starting point is 01:16:06 if Connor Ben wins, you're going to get a third. You know, that's just what, it's going to be. And you might get a third one anyway, even if Ben doesn't win. I guess I would say this. I was, I've been reading what Beaumack has been saying in preparation for the show and for the fight itself. And Beaumack has been of the belief. He's like, yeah, there were some things we just didn't know what we were going to get with Connor Ben the first time. You'll recall BC. This was when, uh, Bo Mac had to go to jail in England because he brought a revolver to the place, which is, that's always fun. In any event, I, Beaumack is like, yeah, there were some things we definitely didn't know what we're going to get with Ben, given a few factors the first time,
Starting point is 01:16:44 but now we got it, and I think he's going to make it look worse. Craig me, if my memory is wrong, BFC, didn't, didn't, uh, um, Ben lose eight to four on all three judges scorecards? Isn't that right? I don't have that in front of me, but that sounds about right? I believe that's correct. Now, that doesn't mean that it wasn't close at times, and there weren't these wild momentum swings that made it for a dramatic affair. But in the end, it was kind of two to one in one direction. Is that right? Yeah, you're correct.
Starting point is 01:17:13 116, 112 across the board, yep. Yep. So this is what I'm saying. I am hopeful that the rematch will be good, and I'm pretty confident the rematch will be good, no matter what. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down.
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Starting point is 01:18:01 by UBank versus you notice BC that first cut to get down there was brutal and then there was the whole thing about his ambulance being blocked to leave the event to go get medical care. What's the rehydration clause? The rehydration clause, the whole bit.
Starting point is 01:18:17 If he is really doing damage to himself to make the weight, Ubank, in order to stay in these kind of this, this, this, this, this, um, orbit of a big fight for himself, then I think you really have to upgrade Ben's chances, but I just think boxer to boxer and especially like natural size to natural size, Ubank is just better. So I only have a question about. about what the weight cut and the weight management does to his durability for a second time, what is a very, very brutal affair to get down there.
Starting point is 01:18:50 Yeah, this fight will be contested at 160 pounds. Eubank Jr. made that weight despite having, you know, fought at 168 for a stretch of his career. But with that rehydration clause, it's a tough-ass weight cut. And of course, Connor Ben, who was probably at his best on the rise up at 147, but had PED issues, moved up to 154, didn't look like a killer anymore. But in this first fight at middleweight, like I said, came out with insane heart, acted like the bigger puncher, was walking Eubank down, forced Eubank to be the boxer. As we look at the odds right now, Chris Eubank Jr., a minus 175 betting favorite plus 135
Starting point is 01:19:29 has been. But if you're wondering about this hullaboo surrounding ambulance gate, basically Chris Eubank Jr. is accusing Eddie Hearn, the promoter of Connor Ben, of blocking the ambulance on the way out of the arena to keep him there longer to make him. I mean, and, you know, going to the level of showing videos and behind the scenes footage of it. You have Chris Eubank Sr. accusing Eddie Hearn of not putting
Starting point is 01:19:56 Eubank Jr.'s health first. Here's the talk sport team coming after Chris Eubank Jr. for playing up the sympathy card with the storyline. We've got to stop allowing Eubank to milk the sympathy vote because he's the one. that is allowing a million pound clause to be in his contract that doesn't allow him to rehydrate. So you can't have it both ways. You can't say you're dehydrated and then say that I'm in jeopardy when you are the one of putting yourself a back decision.
Starting point is 01:20:22 What he's saying Spencer is in his second statement, your bank junior is saying, I'm shining a light in the situation to make sure that if I end up looking like this again on November the 15, that I'm simply taking to hospital as quickly as possible and that's all. We've turned it into an argument about whether Chris Eubank could get an ambulance out of a stadium. Where the question is, is did he have a delay and why did he have a delay? Where Chris Eubank has gone with it is, I have a delay because of you, Eddie Hearn. Where he'll get himself smacked is by accusing somebody of something that he cannot accuse them of. The argument that is Eddie Hearn's fault, well, he's the promoter of notes,
Starting point is 01:20:52 so he has to take some responsibility for it. The real issue, the real reason, let's get it right. This is a story and it sells a fight. It's a narrative. It creates an outcome. It's a fact. It's also a fact, Simon. I don't dispute it.
Starting point is 01:21:06 But what's the motivation behind it? My belief, the motivation behind it with due respect to Chris Eubank is not to make a point about how near to death he was because he chose to go down that pathway with respect by not taking the rehydration clause that penalized him by a million quid. But the fact is, it's about selling a fight. Look, do you feel like Chris Eubank, Jr. just needs, like, an emotional battle to fight to be at his best coming in? He seems to love, I don't know, B.C., like when he was taking shots of Frank Warren, you know, at that press conference. He just seems to revel in it a little bit. it to be honest with you yeah i mean i don't think i don't know why these commentators are kind of
Starting point is 01:21:43 dismissing some of his concerns they're pretty valid he's taking yeah i mean yes ultimately he's agreeing to these conditions and so therefore he's responsible for meeting them but at the same time they're very very tough and you know honestly who is doing more physical deterioration to make these two fights possible it's you bank like i don't know you know what you know why is that unfair to say now whether hern was involved in letting the ambulance leave on time you know i don't know what the evidence for that would be necessarily but to answer your question bc i mean this is part of what the ubank ben magic is both the clash of their personalities and then the weirdness or the the differences that they each bring and you bank just seems to love narrative and
Starting point is 01:22:19 rhetoric and circumstance around his his his orbit it works for him to be honest like i sort of get it here's eddie herne's reaction talking to marcos vegas but what you can't do is accuse me a matron of deliberately stopping or delay in an ambulance it's a dangerous to say. He said, Eddie Hearn stopped and blocked my ambulance from leaving. In the meantime, I'm with Connor Ben doing a press conference, didn't even know this is all going on. But unfortunately, he's got it so wrong, but still refuses to just say, you know, I don't mind, you know, I don't mind this. I don't like Eddie Hearn. I think he's a prick. And, you know, I want to be able to leave as quickly as possible in an ambulance, which he absolutely should. But I shouldn't have said
Starting point is 01:23:08 that because that's not you know whatever you think of me you can't expect to say things like that and for me just to go yeah all right because what you're saying is is i put your life at risk now he walked to the ambulance he was actually asked that they'd take him to the ambulance he chose to walk and all this kind of stuff and it was precautions but that doesn't matter you should always you know we want the best route possible and that's a british boxing border control obligation and responsibility and an emergency service responsibility but of course that's what we want but what you can't do is accuse me a matron of deliberately stopping or delay in an ambulance it's a dangerous thing to say unfortunately he's not sensible enough or he's too
Starting point is 01:23:56 stubborn he has a big chip on his shoulder to say I don't like you and yes the control centre did have to open the gates but I shouldn't have said that And I know you didn't block the ambulance, but I still think you're a prick. There you go. Luke, just to correct, and I wasn't really up on this either. Beaumack was not with Eubank for the first fight, although he had worked with Eubank Jr. in the past. They reunited this fight.
Starting point is 01:24:22 Here's video. Well, let me just say, I definitely did see Bomack saying that he learned something from the first fight that Eubank was going to encounter the day that would have ironed out. So at least was kind of plugged in on what was happening there. We do have video of Bomack. firing up Eubank in the gym. And the reason Beaumack said he came back with Eubank was because Eubank talking about
Starting point is 01:24:42 needing more of that, like, killer instinct spirit inside of them. So now you got to go in for a kill. This is the way to kill his name. This is the way to kill his name. Pick it out, man. Pick it up, pick it up. Pick it up.
Starting point is 01:24:54 Pick it up. Hey. Lewer, do it. You got a dig in his ass, man. You're the fucking bull. Look, I don't know what you're going to see me. Look, I just love the image of a large man with a bag of family-sized Cheetos screaming at a dude with jackdabs going, you got to get in his ass.
Starting point is 01:25:34 You got to dig in the ass. You got a dig in his ass. Good Lord. All right. To close, here's Connor Ben on what he underestimated about Eubank in the first fight that he hopes to fix in this rematch on Saturday. When you got in there, did you know immediately that this fight was going to go the way it was going to go? No. I thought, I thought I would, I thought after the third round that it was, it was curtains.
Starting point is 01:25:59 I thought it was curtains. There was a moment in that fight in that third round where your prediction nearly came true. I thought he couldn't live with my ferocity, my spite, my tenacity, my aggression. I thought he couldn't live with any of that. Hunger, sharpness, but, you know, I underestimated the man. I feel like Ben is going to come out guns blazing again, Luke, and maybe even try a quicker pace to try to put Eubank in a spot where he has no gas. How do you see this rematch going?
Starting point is 01:26:33 I got Ben by decision. wow really no i'll take you bank i'll take you bank by decision yeah i won't say stoppage because i think he's going to be too diminished but i think he'll get the job done for sure all right can't wait that is this saturday uh check it out there from tottenham hot spurs stadium luke thomas it's official the holidays are around the corner and that means lights gifts and get togethers but if you want to give somebody a long lasting supply of something that'll stand by their side you might want to consider mando right because you you can know it Luke whether you're running around getting gifts whether you're putting up that
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Starting point is 01:29:30 Your family and friends will. thank you. Yeah, holiday season does not mean it has to be swamp ass season. I'll tell you that much. So take care of yourselves for you and the family. All right, those are our five topics for this week. Thank you for playing now. We hear from you the fan every Sunday night at morning combat on Instagram and X. We give you the opportunity to be heard. Ask us whatever you want. This one's DMs from Dawks. wrote me about your pronunciation there's my right or wrong halfway right she it's the it's not pin toe it's definitely not that it's a little bit of a you but she said you exaggerate the degree
Starting point is 01:30:15 to which it's a ooh sound i had some vibes to it's a little light it's a got a light ooh to it all right all right all right well thank you christina for reaching out might i say rickie simone versus hyoni barcellus was a technical thriller i mean There was some technical elements that made it super fun, but this was also just straight up a Bannam White Banger, was it not? Yeah, I don't know if technical thriller is the right answer to that, but that old goat, I'm telling you, man, that old goat is out there just doing something special.
Starting point is 01:30:49 But technical thriller, no, I think it actually, the actual one would have to be a little slower than it was for that. No, no, all right, here's a technical thriller. Okay. Dominic Cruz's split decision over T.J. Dillishaw. That's a Yeah, kind of edgy your seat Never crazy
Starting point is 01:31:05 But edge of your seat the whole time, yes At high speed, a lot of skills But yeah, I did enjoy that on Saturday I just love that people are finally getting up On these TTs, Luke, you know what I'm saying? These technical thrillers I love TTs All right, let's hear from
Starting point is 01:31:22 At Moishe Eisenman Thank you, Moishe. Moishe. Moishe. Moisha? Moisha. Moisha. I'm not sure. If you could decide what the headliner will be for the first Paramount card, which fight would you make, Elty? Say it again, we'll put it up one more time.
Starting point is 01:31:40 If you could decide what the headliner. And by the way, the latest report seemed to be the end of January. I had heard L.A., now I'm here in Vegas. I don't have an official announcement yet. We'll see what happens with this. I'm going to go to Poria. I mean, just me personally, to pouria batty. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:58 I wish Gaci was, well, no, I don't know if I wish Gaci was healthy, because that's not the fight I want. You know what? I'll say it. Toporius Sarukian. I wish they just did that right now. That's a banger. I take that one too.
Starting point is 01:32:07 Yeah. I'll take that. That's my choice for this. All right. Thank you very much. Let's hear from David underscore Kirsch 55. The over under is two and a half of the Welter weights competing in the MSG and cutter cards becoming future champions.
Starting point is 01:32:24 Let me see. So you got Ian, Gary, Bilal Muhammad, Sean Brady, Michael Morales, Leon Edwards, Carlos Pratis, and then I guess Islam J.D.M. I'll take the over. So you think this belt's going to bounce around at 170? That's really what you're saying. I don't think Islam's going to be there that long.
Starting point is 01:32:48 That's what I think. Well, where's he going? I think he'll be here. And then, okay, so let's say he wins Saturday. I think he'll defend the title one, maybe two times. And then I think he'll call it a day. And then retire, Before he fights Toporia, or including?
Starting point is 01:33:03 I think if he wins at 70, I don't know if we're ever going to get it. Wow. Okay. Okay. That's interesting. That's very interesting. How long do you think he's going to be around four? Four fights at Welter, including Toporia.
Starting point is 01:33:17 Oh, I'd be surprised. All right. You think Ian Gary will ever hold it? Yeah. I think he could. I think he could. I think he could. I do too.
Starting point is 01:33:32 I don't wonder if Schofcott's ever going to get back in the game. Fucking hell, man. I mean, dude, 2024, excuse me, 2025 was just a dead year for him. Yeah, crazy. Indeed. Let's hear from M.T. Bubel. We like this guy.
Starting point is 01:33:44 City, you want to visit in the U.S. that you have never been to. That's an easy one for me. I am so ashamed. I've been all over the world. I am so ashamed to say I've never been to Seattle. I've never been to Seattle. I want to go to Seattle.
Starting point is 01:33:55 I never have, and I want to very badly. I would say Nashville's up there for me you never been to nashville no i've been around it i've been to lebanon tennessee for a wedding i've done some drinking in nashville but i but then again if you're like yo bc you want to go to seattle or nashville i'm taking seattle but the part of that is like proximity to national park dude a flight to nashville from like vw i or whatever is like it's like an hour 45 it's like 45 minutes and uh Nashville's changed a lot it's become a lot more corporate than it once was but one thing i really like about nashville is if you're into live
Starting point is 01:34:30 music and I don't love country music by instruits imagination but if you're into just live performers sure Nashville's got a lot of really good live performers it's actually kind of yeah we used to say that about Austin until all those comedians invaded it look you know what I mean but uh I've never been to San Fran that's still up there oh my god dude dude dude dude you've never seen like the old redwood trees and stuff like that I've no no northern California is a high on my list very dude you're missing out those things are crazy to see it's fun at all okay thank you very much uh let's keep it going here this our final one is from john winkle fred rank your top three holidays in okay um first i'd go christmas christmas is the king of holidays for sure yeah don't don't stop
Starting point is 01:35:16 putting that christ in christmas look please don't stop right well i mean you know my family won't let me i'll put it that way i mean there's a reason for the season luke okay how many nativity sets do you have in your house just one and i have to fight my family to bring it back out, they want to retire it, and I keep bringing it back. Well, I've got like three or four up in this piece. Yes. Yeah, I got a bunch. So, um, Christmas is number one, I feel like. Got to go Christmas number one. I'm going to say number two. You know, the temptation is to say Thanksgiving B.C., especially because you do get two days off, areas you're supposed to anyway. If you disparage the best holiday in
Starting point is 01:35:53 the world, I'm not going to be happy. I think, I think Thanksgiving is a three for me, to be honest with you. I'm going to put, it's not even really a holiday. I'm going to put Halloween as number two. And I want to tell you why. I'll tell you why. Not only is it just a wonderful time of the year, October, King of the Months, but it's really now turned into a whole month long kind of dutiful celebration where you're watching scary movies all week. Now we put decorations all over the house. It has this big crescendo moment with a bunch of happy children. Dude, I fucking love Halloween, especially now that I'm a dad. Like, it's just the best. So I'm going to go Christmas Halloween, Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 01:36:30 I'm going to go Thanksgiving, and we already know it's the best holiday. You're out of your mind. Everyone comes home. It's football, family, food. I mean, it's everything you'd want, right? Number two is Christmas. There ain't nothing like it except for Turkey Day.
Starting point is 01:36:46 And the third I'll go is Father's Day. Luke, I love Father's Day. Okay. Have you had a particularly good one recently? I don't need anything crazy for Father's Day to be great. I just need my wife, my two kids and I to spend the whole day together, go for walks, get ice cream,
Starting point is 01:37:01 you know, do basic stuff that's awesome and just celebrate that. I'm tempted also to put Fourth of July on there, not, you know, I don't have a dislike for our country, but it's not necessarily like, yeah, USA, it's just great weather. You typically go somewhere fun, buy the water, fireworks, cook out.
Starting point is 01:37:20 You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a nice, it's a nice break in the eye. It kicks off summer in some ways. Yeah, all right. That's all I got here. Luke says New Year's Eve is the number one. And I'm like, that's only true if you don't have kids and you're not that old. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:34 Yeah. It's not always true every year. But like if you have a good New Year's Eve party and everyone's like going to stay up and all that, that there's nothing that beats that. I'd say between the ages of 19 and 26, my real favorite holiday was Thanksgiving Eve, aka Valley New Year. I mean, that's, you know, going back to the local bar and like everyone's back. And you're, you know, and yeah. So it was it, it was the Wednesday night before Thanksgiving? Yes, yes.
Starting point is 01:38:03 We would come back home and we would all see each other. Like everyone who was in high school together went to their colleges, would come back home and you would see each other for the first time and see who had the freshman 15, you know what I'm saying? And then like the younger, the younger classes below you would become of age and come into the par scene and, you know, you'd be a dirt hole and yeah, there you go. All right, that's it for that. You can reach our program at morning combat at gmail.com for your Friday dead
Starting point is 01:38:27 wrongs and fan subs we will not reminder being will not be with you this friday but don't forget thursday pregame preview 11 a m eastern with oscar wild yes final segment is where i scour the globe for the highs and lows the good the bad the ugly and the in between in the worlds of combat sports and beyond i'm not going to say it's a great batch although last week overached last week was very solid super solid all right this one's called have you seen this year thank you Whoah, indeed, that somebody's drinking right now. Yeah, all right. Hey, Luke, you didn't have to go to the New York City subway today.
Starting point is 01:39:10 So I thought I'd bring the New York City subway to you. You ever hear of snakes on a plane? How about snakes on a train, LT? Yeah, brother. This is New York. I mean, remember when you and I got on that subway car and that dude had an open flesh wound on his head and he was screaming satanic stuff at us and we didn't get off we probably should have would that snake guy force you to get off i might stick around if i'm on the local i might
Starting point is 01:39:35 stick around for one more stop if i was on the express i'm getting off after the next one you know what i'm saying i'm not going to ride 30 more blocks with him but i write that right i'd ride 10 with him with the next subway creature force you to get on or off or get off in a different way luke let's watch this gentleman this is why god you got to know how to ride the new New York City Subway Boys and Oh, he's riding it, Luke. He's riding. Believe me.
Starting point is 01:39:59 Let me explain some to you. How do you hold on to things on the New York City subway? I'm going to show you how to do it. Number one, you press against the lower part of your palm. Yeah. Or, B.C., this is what you got to do. You got to go elbow deep and use your clothes to hold it. The carbonic acid and just pour it over your hand.
Starting point is 01:40:17 If you don't have hand sanitizer ready, it's the elbow. Or it's the palm. It's never this. That is a disaster. Don't ever do that. And finally, would you get on or off the train if you saw this in the subway,
Starting point is 01:40:32 Luke? This kind of performance are... Are you not entertained? This is the most normal thing that happens on the end train. So true. So true. This is the most normal thing.
Starting point is 01:40:52 I've ever seen happen on the New York City subway. All right, well done there. Check out their Broadway show later this week. All right, Luke, let's go to your K.O. of the week. It's a sidewalk fatality that you need to see, all right? What? Wow. Did he turn into AI?
Starting point is 01:41:13 No. Did he turn into Jello? Dude, he got cranked by that right here. Oh, he's just swinging hard. A guy gets under it. Oh, gets his head off the center line. Golly. Wow, dude, that is brutal.
Starting point is 01:41:25 That's going to hurt. Don't get in street fights on concrete, you idiots. I'm telling you. Look, you ever playing the corporate softball game and someone took it too seriously? That's usually me. You think I had that kind of corporate camaraderie? Let's check it on this company. yo dude i actually support that i'm that guy at the esp and rec league and basketball who's
Starting point is 01:41:58 almost getting to a fist fight with the referee or score you're gonna tear both of janet's acels from hr just for a point on this day she's out at home look that was a that was that was that's fair play where i come by the way there was a four charity dodgeball tournament at my kids high school a couple years ago and i came out like game seven style and turned off a lot of people with a lot of people a lot I believe you yeah I believe
Starting point is 01:42:26 it wasn't good all right let's head on over to the grid iron forget pick six Luke they're calling this thick six did you see this guy watch this interception here oh it's like jumbo Elliott
Starting point is 01:42:38 yeah look at this guy big country just go dude what is this high school yeah I think so but rumbling bumble and stumbling someone just make him trip you idiots look he could go all my god jumbo elliott that's amazing he did die of a lack of oxygen after that but what a return
Starting point is 01:43:01 he had a coronary after this and sadly he's no longer with us but great play let's go to the bethune cookman grambling state game went to a football game luke and a brawl broke out between the two sides look at this oh oh he's got no helmet on i feel like fighting with no helmet on or fighting with a helmet on is either is both ways oh yeah they're throwing they're throwing luke oh that was a pretty good punch that was a pretty good punch not bad not bad uh let's go to youth football look you ever had to be the chain game at your chain gang member at your daughter's football game no not yet right no look at the t-shirt that this dad wore what does it say i guess you'll have to see it again
Starting point is 01:43:47 lift heavy eat ass that was my mom over my 20s. Let me just say it. Indeed. Luke, normally we don't praise the Bills Mafia, but they took it out on Patrick Mahomes this week. Look at this, Luke. You know, Bill's Mafia sucks, but I'm not going to lie, this is real funny. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:44:05 And finally, check out this youth football player whose dad just taught him the stiff arm before the game. Watch this. Dude. Look, were you one of those like 12 year olds that was six feet tall? Yeah, yeah. You could have been doing this, okay? Fifth grade, grew i think i grew nine inches in a year wow wow fifth grade dude yeah i didn't get tall till
Starting point is 01:44:29 summer before ninth grade wow but i've been this tall since i was 16 geez okay christ dude who's he playing i don't know they are now uh luke i call this kid a young machine gun Kelly. Bro, it sounded like Optimus Prime turning back into a truck. I hope he made it in time. Yeah, yeah. I hope he made it in time.
Starting point is 01:45:04 All right. Let's go to the New York City streets. Anything can happen. Dude, that's a perfect. toss right there this is new york god i love new york it's time for your tan line of the week check out this racing fan here coming up coming up
Starting point is 01:45:27 let's stand for the national anthem oh my god bro can i tell you speaking of the marine corps so this is how we would all look like eight weeks so i went i went i went to paris island in june of 1998 and they would give us the don't call them hats they call them covers they give you a cover to wear and of course you're outside all the time so then eight weeks i mean there was the marine cover weekend was 13 weeks but by eight weeks in you take your hat off and they all have that tan line where they've gotten it's just completely white here or whatever and then
Starting point is 01:45:59 dark as shit from the way way down and they all look that way it looked that way it looked real stupid but i've definitely seen it before uh look it's time for mima fighters in the wild and I popped for this real recognizing real when Dimitri Bevall and Fador got together, yo. Understand that the man on the left competed with guys well in excess of 250 even sometimes 300 pounds.
Starting point is 01:46:22 And the other guy fights at 175 pounds. Yes. It's in, dude, Fador is so criminally underrated. It's insane to me. I love him. We won't play the sound for copyright purposes, but here's Alexander Volcanowski.
Starting point is 01:46:37 joining Jelly Roll on stage singing to his tunes while Jelly Roll holds the belt, Luke. Your thoughts? I found out randomly that Jelly Roll follows me on Twitter. I don't know why. Dude, that's not bad, right? I guess he's an M.M.A. fan. Volk's got the tightest jeans on Earth, but otherwise, this looks fun. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:58 Shout out to Volk for this. Also, footage has emerged from a 2008 Sambao match in which Habib defeated Alexander Volk. off, Luke. Did you know about this? No. That's not real, is it? It is. A.I. can't produce this. I mean, it could. Fires to the underhook,
Starting point is 01:47:19 inside trip, and then outside trip. That's nice. Yeah, dude, Habib's a beast, man. Someone was asking me, like, oh, could he beat, you know, middleweights in the UFC? Because I guess Henry Suhudo and Camaro Oussman were like, oh, he could. And, you know, I'm not saying, I mean, I don't know what he is at this point,
Starting point is 01:47:37 But, like, I've definitely heard stories of Habib in the gym giving welterweights and middleweights to fight of their lives. Luke Rocco was on that jackson pod. And he was talking about Islam. And he said Islam was throwing him around. And he's like, I've never seen strength like that. It's just ridiculous. Yeah. Those guys are different.
Starting point is 01:47:54 Luke, they sacrificed all to be that different. You know what I'm saying? It worked out. They're fucking good. Yeah, they were. Luke, the UFC did a bit where they interviewed their fighters and asked them to look at pictures of Brock Lesner. What do you think they said about him? Brock Lesnar. He recently came back at 48 years old and he's absolutely jacked. He's in the best shape of his life.
Starting point is 01:48:13 That's him now. That's him right now. What? Is he just a genetic specimen? I mean he might be a bit of a genetic specimen but there's some other stuff going on there. I think he's not natural, it's anabolic. His age looks like this, he for sure used something. Well that's when he won the title at 32 years old and now he's 48 years old. I want to ask you what he eat, you know, what he do, but I'm not sure about his overall health. Do you think we could ever see Brock Lesnar come back to the UFC? pass a drug test. I don't think so. He will never pass the doping test. He can, he can.
Starting point is 01:48:41 Look at this, yeah. Now, you didn't have a lot of contenders in the heavyweight division. Would you like to say Brock Lesnar and return to the UFC? If you can pass a drug test, I'll do it. I don't think that's happening any time soon. Yeah, I mean, you know, yeah. He's on that ovarine. Yeah, the Dodgers made it two straight championships,
Starting point is 01:49:01 including one of their players is all over Ariel. You see that? Look, just dunk it all over him. Oh, Kike-Hernan. I did see that, yeah. Here's the best post-celebration interview that I found. Obviously, when you got a guy like yours, you know, but we have a model on your team. It makes things a little easier, you know?
Starting point is 01:49:18 Especially for a guy like me that, you know, all I did it was bring in, you know, a piece of fucking pencil to the project to get an A, but I got a name, and here we are. That's about champ, Davi. That's right, every day. Three-time World Series champion, back-to-back. You can have this.
Starting point is 01:49:37 that's awesome oh look you know that bit where they like kick a ball and the gender reveal happens apparently they're doing that at weddings now watch the i don't know if this was a shotgun marriage watch the the flight of this ball oh okay she ain't hooking up at the reception now look i'll tell you that much these blue-haired libs are out of control that's what i know
Starting point is 01:50:07 Look, this gives new meaning to the term elder abuse. Let's get some life advice here. What is the secret to living a long life? First off, how old are you? I'm 99. Okay. And how I
Starting point is 01:50:21 made it to 99, I smoked a lot, I drank a lot, and I had a lot of sex. Hell yeah, brother. Yeah, that's how you get to be... Hell yeah. Yeah, that guy... It's really not complicated, B.C. It's not a complicated formula, you know?
Starting point is 01:50:36 Just be happy and live. your life. Yeah, that's great. Uh, pickle ball is becoming a violent game. Watch this. Oh, wow. Crowned them. Yeah. That's, uh, wow. That's, someone's got to call that ball there. You know what I mean? Look, with the outfielders, you got to, you got to call the, you got to call the flat ball. Indeed. Luke, do you play a lot of hacky sack at high school during like, uh, I wouldn't say I played a lot. I mean, I've played it a couple times. All right. That was, that was huge in my, in my community in the mid 90s, look huge. We didn't really play like soccer hacky sack but watch this video anyway
Starting point is 01:51:08 could you could you volley here could you keep this alive look but that's a full soccer ball isn't it yeah yeah they're just kind of booting it back and forth here but could you play I could do a little bit but not really I'm not like I'm good at this all right watch this watch the flight of this ball
Starting point is 01:51:24 this chick's keeping it going nice work all right all right all right hell hell yeah dude and that was Wow Yeah
Starting point is 01:51:40 Yeah Oh look This next message brings new meaning To the term No Shave November Hairy pussy season Throwing it back to the 80s
Starting point is 01:51:53 Luke Yeah there we go Okay That's a thing That's a thing, sure That is a thing apparently Luke how do you eat your ramen Do you have you learned
Starting point is 01:52:01 The new way to do it To eat it hard The hardest way I eat my ramen I boil my water and then I eat the ramen raw. I snort the seasoning packet. Drink the boiling water and fuck bitches. I've not tried that method, but that seems like a little laborious.
Starting point is 01:52:21 I gotta tell you. Honey, I'm making dinner tonight. Don't worry about it. All right. Yeah. And finally, Luke, you know, six seven's taken over. It's out of control. Watch this.
Starting point is 01:52:32 Kind of on behind Mommy on this side until you can see all the sunflies on it. Six seven. 9-11 no my daughter does this what the 9-11 part at the end look yeah she does 811 but i can't tell if she's just messing it up because she's six you know yeah uh hopefully all our 9-11 fans got their fix this week that's all the shit that i can handle uh you know what it was a sea but it was a solid sea given the given the state of things you know it was an enjoyable ride all right real quick morning combat dot shop go there right now november exclusives are available they'll be gone by the end of this month.
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Starting point is 01:53:22 I got to get ready for CBS Sports HQ, but it was great doing the show today, okay? Thank you for doing it with me, BC. I enjoy it. What are you going to talk about in HQ? UFC 322 Super Preview coming here with me and Tommy. Are you going to be an HQ like every day? this week? Yes. Yes, I will. I suspect. I will. I'm going to be at the fight Saturday as well.
Starting point is 01:53:40 So hopefully I'll see some of our our donks out there. UFC 322 at MSD. If you can afford it. You know, if anyone out there can afford it. All right. That's it. Long Island, Luke, what do you want to tell these people? Bet breakdown coming out tomorrow. I'm going to be on No Bet's barred this week with Jed and Prop Kway is coming Friday. But we'll talk about the championship. The season two championship for $100. So there's a chance we got some scheduling conflicts. I might have to do like a one-off matchup this week. and then the championship next week. We'll see what happens, but, you know. All right, that's it.
Starting point is 01:54:10 LT, that's all I got for you. Okay. That's all I got for you. For LT, it's BC. Thank you for playing. Hey, Thursday, 11 a.m. Eastern, Oscar Wilde will join us. It's going to get crazy. Brought to you by Cuervo, pregame preview.
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