MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC Vegas 78 Recap | Bellator 298 | Conor McGregor | Elon vs. Zuck | Morning Kombat Ep 476

Episode Date: August 14, 2023

On Episode 476 of Morning Kombat Brian Campbell is joined by Jed Meshew to break down the weekend. BC and Jed break down Vicente Luque's win over RDA at UFC Vegas 78. They also break down Bellator and the weekend of boxing before discussing Conor McGregor's 3 fight plan he has. Will he actually fight Michael Chandler, Justin Gaethje and Nate Diaz? As always they close out monday's show with HYSTS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Quebec Sun, Caldera Lab, deep in my pores. It's time for M to the K. Thank you. Let me bring in my Today co-host making his MK debut from the state of Georgia with love. I like this guy a lot. I call him the hot take kid. Let me adjust my camera for you right there. MMAfighting.com's full-time writer uh he takes big swings does he miss it's up to you to figure out jed mishu the second welcome to morning combat i've never missed in my life bc in my life but thanks for having me this is gonna be really fun i'm excited to join the award-winning mk uh my first

and most important question uh do i get to come accept the fighters on the award with you guys now that I'm officially part of the family? When we go up on stage, I get to be there now, right? Yes, you do. You unfortunately have to stand in line between Aaron Bronstetter and Shaquille Majorey. So good luck with that. I think I could take them both. Don't let Shaq talk you into any raves wearing cow outfits, but I love our extended family here. Welcome to a Jed. You are a host of a number of podcasts. Do you want to talk about any of them or should we, you know, should we, should we just bang too?

What are we doing here? Uh, I host no bets barred or I co-host no bets barred on the MMA fighting podcast network. It's a gambling podcast about MMA. Uh, it's fun. You should watch it. It's weekly. And then I host damn, They Were Good podcast, which is somewhat similar

at least in core concept to y'all's resume reviews that you do. We just look back at fighters and enjoy their wonderful careers that they've given us. So check that out. Go to womenmayfighting.com. It's a terrific website. And that's it. That's all the intro I need.

I did want to shout out Thursday's MMA Fighting. You have between the links, beneath the links, and uh that's it that's all the intro i need i didn't want to shout out thursday's fighting you have uh between the links beneath the links around the back of between the links yeah with with with mike on the back great show have met it been on there many times big fan of what you guys do over there uh fast paced and wild like i love it quickly still undefeated you're still undefeated yeah but that's questionable scoring regarding that. It's kind of like Cub Swanson versus DeWoda. We got some questionable scoring to talk about.

Quickly, morningcombat.store if you want to drink coffee out of this fantastic mug. Jed, I'd love to see you in a bomber jacket, by the way, or a drug rug. You look like you could fill that front pouch with a few not yet. You could talk me into a bomber jacket. It's a little warm in August in Georgia, but fall coming in? Let's circle the wagons back.

It's actually classy. Joanna Young Jacek once said, of course, that Brett Okamoto is the best-looking MMA journalist. I don't know where you fit in that list. I don't care. Luke thinks I want to bang all my friends in MMA. Unless you can make 115, Jed, this is not the direction I'm looking to go.

I am here to tell you, though, off the top, we got a great show. Let's hit it right here. Segment number one, our weekend review. And topic number one. Yeah, it's UFC Vegas. They were back in the apex over the weekend in Las Vegas. A welterweight five-round main event.

Vicente Luque scoring a unanimous decision over the always tough 38-year-old former lightweight champion, Rafael Dos Anjos. So what did Luque overcome here, Jed? How about a one-year layoff, a two-fight losing skid, and of course that very scary bout with the career-threatening brain bleed, which Luque did say after the fight, he thanked God for essentially a miraculous recovery. Well, did we see a new Luque or not? He wasn't the silent assassin in the violent nature. He was very grappling heavy.

So let's start out right here, Jed Mishu. The new Vicente Luque. A necessary evolution with this grinding style? Or did you see a guy a bit gun-shy after some legitimately scary turns leading up to this return? Maybe both. I mean, Luque came out basically and said it afterwards like that first round he was he was concerned which why wouldn't you be your brain was bleeding like that i am not a medical doctor feels like when the word blame brain hemorrhage get brought in uh something not not all that kosher is going down um so i think he

certainly was a little skittish i'm not sure that this is like a stylistic evolution of his though like really uh kind of just felt like the fight played out that way like he he came in and wasn't really looking to grapple but then rda was so intent on it and every time rda would initiate luke was was being able to turn him and have success and it kind of just felt to me at least like okay here i'm just gonna go with with the flow here this is a way forward not his typical most exciting you know vicente luke is an action fighter par excellence or whatever but uh to get back in the win column coming off a year and a serious medical scare. I'm reserving judgment on any grand, grand statements about where Luque is in his career, but solid performance. I hope he doesn't become Luque the grappler because he's super fun, but very, very, very solid win.

If nothing. Yeah, this was a decent fight. It didn't have the fireworks spectaculars that we thought. And while you reserve the right to not necessarily need to give a definitive hot take, that's also what you're paid for, Jed. So I believe I'm going to tee up for a second with one. But I did want to say Luque did score a career high. Eight takedowns. And I think it was very clear stylistically that he took advantage of the size advantage.

RDA going back to welterweight, trying to reinvent himself and came in in such sick killer shape. I mean, is there anybody in this game that we should respect more than RDA? I mean, he is the ultimate gangster, will fight anybody, anytime. But I liked what Luque actually did, leaning on the strengths in this particular matchup. It's just, look, at 31, this was a big hill to climb, to come back into a five-round main event, all that time off, all the questions, two losses at the highest level.

So I do have to put you on the spot to make a definitive statement. Did Luque show you enough to believe in what he said afterwards, that he believes he's ready to put together a run, that he learned from those two losses, and that maybe, I don't want to see grapple-heavy Luque. This fight was good, but it wasn't great. But maybe do you think a a merge style moving forward for a guy who's always dangerous on the ground but loves to walk into traffic could lead him back to the top of the welterweight rank no he is not getting back to the top of the

welterweight rankings and that's okay like i get it he wants to be that guy like every fighter has those aspirations this is not going to happen for him and that's that's not i don't mean that as like to offend him or whatever but we know what he is like he's 31 maybe he can make some late career super change but two years ago or whatever below muhammad rinsed him i give that fight was not competitive and below muhammad is very very good obviously i'm not sure below Muhammad is the best wrestler in this division. And if he is, it's not by a lot. Like the, the top of this division doesn't match up well for him. And then even against the guys that you would think that maybe he could make, Hey, Jeff Neal, I don't want to say killed him because we know what happened

with the brain bleed again, but I just see no path forward for him. This division is getting younger and better. He has a lot of miles on him and he already has failed to, to climb the mountain basically. So unless something really dramatic happens, this is where he is. He's a top 10, top 15 guy,

usually incredibly exciting, going to win more than he loses, but he's probably never going to fight for a title, much less win one. I'm a little surprised at that definitive statement out of you, Jed. The guy's 31, so he's got four years before Luke Thomas drops that stat on him, how you can't win a title at welterweight or below or above 35. I don't know if he's mentioned that 49 times, but ad nauseam would be a good hashtag to put next to that.

But when you look at this top 10 at welterweight we certainly have future risers hammers that are coming from the standpoint of rachman off and obviously muhammad's on the doorstep of finally having his big moment but you've got the older guard that could be going that way meaning a gilbert burns a wonder boy uh you know questions about sean brady who's at number nine there. Some solid guys in and around that. Arizer and Ian Gary could have a big moment this weekend. You don't think this stylistically, adding this commitment to wrestling, could be a thing that I don't...

Because look, if you asked me before this, in the past, what was keeping Vicente Luque from the top, I would have told you that it was he's too much in love with walking into traffic. He's too much in love with walking into traffic. He's too much in love with making wars when at the highest level, that is not consistently how big fights are. One. I actually liked this evolution to his game and thought going 25 hard minutes against a proven tough out like this.

It showed me something, Jed, you're not feeling that moving forward at Walter. I'm not. And for two reasons, the first one is look, Luke and his stat Walter I'm not and for two reasons the first one is look Luke and his stat I'm not here to say it's a bad stat I think it's probably a good stat I'm less concerned in general with fighter age than I am with with years and Luke has been fighting since he was like 16 or whatever this is his 14th or 15th year of

professional fighting and as you said in come forward, let's just get into war style. That is not conducive to a long career. So being 31, yes, he is young relative. And frankly, coming into this weekend, I was surprised how young he was. I thought he was much older. He's got a lot of miles. He's got a lot of city miles on him. And that makes me very questionable. And the second thing, here's a hot take for you. Javier dos Anjos' run at Welterweight is entirely fraudulent, or at least like 85% fraudulent. He was a lightweight champion.

There is a very strong argument that at no point in the history of the world has he been the best lightweight in the world, considering he won the belt after habib dominated him uh but he was a lightweight champion got a one title defense i think and just very very good top five ish lightweight his move up to welterweight sort of just like felt like he had to because of where he was here his welterweight wins bc because i looked it up beforehand to make sure i wasn't crazy when i think this it's terek safadine which at the time like was a fine win but does anyone care about that at all

neil magny which is still a quality win but neil magny is not a top five top 10 dude and robbie lawler which i guess at the time was better than it is now but robbie lawler is we we know where robbie is and then he lost to covington he lost to usman he he's a very good fighter who took advantage of an opportunity up a weight class but we saw like you said luke ages was way bigger than him and so beating a very very good fighter in rda rda is a tremendous fighter but was did he beat him because his wrestling's better or did he beat him because he had 10 to 15 pounds and good enough wrestling that he could just use that i don't know uh i need to see a lot more to think that vicente luca is going to have a charles olivera like sure uh late career renaissance to suddenly be this and that is that would be the comp form right it's chucky olives it's hey you

were the super fun fighter who lost you know a lot as well but were dynamic and interesting and then you put it all together and now you are making a a historic run that's what he has to hope for i need to see more than than beating a puffed up lightweight it's actually a fair breakdown there is a fool's gold element there in that size difference i do want to see how luke responds if he is back in a firefight which you would expect inevitably he will be taking top 10 matchups but happy for this comeback win uh hope the health can stay there believe in miracles i do uh but that is a scary situation he's back good win we'll see where he goes moving forward jed i do see the ufc 201 poster over your shoulder atlanta i happened to be there uh that night but uh so was i were you also at that was

the greatest night as the first event i ever covered oh wow look at that look at that uh were you also at the greatest night in my mma lifedom which also happened in in Atlanta. I'm talking about UFC 236. I'm talking about Gastelum, Adesanya, Fourier, Holloway too. Did you feel that? Were you there? Most insane night of fights I've ever been a part of. Okay. Because sometimes people make me feel like,

you know, I'm the only one that's trying to tell people that Izzy Gastelum was one of the three greatest fights in the history of this sport. 100% with you. And I don't know if it's just because I was there, but it's unquestionably top five for me. That fight was... I remember feeling like I emotionally couldn't watch

the main event after it. I'm not ready to do this. I'm there with you. Thank you very much. Let's keep going on this USC Vegas card, that Coleman event we had, uh, we had some stuff happen. Uh, Cub Swanson was back taking on Hakeem DeWoodoo. They went three rounds, two rounds to one on all three judges scorecards in the end in favor of Cub Swanson. Why is this an issue? Even Cub admitted

afterwards, he didn't think he won the fight. although he also hedged it by saying he is his toughest critic. We love seeing Cub Swanson there with the wife and kids, and it seemed like this could be this resurgent win for him at age 38, except the internet kind of blew up afterwards. So look, we have this debate on the show a lot, Jed, when it comes to decisions, a lot of times in boxing to be fair where we have to try to pull through the crap and say hey guys I know you want to yell robbery but it was it was actually closer than you think was this a robbery was this just a bad scorecard or do this you know combat sports twitter just need things to rail against how do you weigh in on what happened here with Swanson Duoto not? Not a robbery for two reasons, but there's an argument for it being a robbery for one. So the

two reasons it's not a robbery. The first is it's a competitive fight. Like I think holistically a scorecard of 2928 for Cub Swanson is not awful. I scored it 2928 Duodoo, but if you scored it 2928 for Swanson

think that's fine, right? I think that that is an acceptable scorecard. The way those scorecards happened was pretty bad. I pretty much disagree fundamentally with the judges' scorecards that they offered here. But ultimately, it's not a robbery because does anyone really care? Like, Love Cub Swanson, an all-time great,

one of the most, you know, all-time action guy, like a dude who's not going to get the flowers he deserves in his career, but a guy who people will remember fondly when he exits the game. He's not making a title run. This win and this loss isn't, like, massively substantive in any real way. And the same thing with Duadu. Like, he's shown some promise, but he's probably not getting there at this point.

So if this were a main event and a title fight, I would have a lot more scrutiny for, for what went on here. Instead, it's just a competitive fight and these scorecards are reasonable. Again, I can't believe I'm about to say this. This is going to be the hottest take I've ever said in my life.

Brian Campbell. I think Sal D'Amato is probably the one who got the scorecard right if you're gonna go for Cub Swanson his scorecard is the appropriate one of giving Dawood the first round and then giving Cubby the back to Cub clearly wins the third round I've seen most people seem to think that the first round is a swing round I thought that that round was very, very clearly in favor of Dawoodu. And the second round is the one that I'm open to it. I thought Dawoodu did more, but it was a competitive enough round. And that flurry at the end where it looked like Swanson at least optically was winning,

I'm okay with you giving him. But this isn't a robbery because it's fine. It's like, who's really upset about this other than friends and relations of hakeem dow do i mean that's a fair point i hopefully it doesn't lead duado you know into eventually getting cut where this could have been a difference maker because look i scored it two to one for duado i gave cub the third round like you did but i do agree that first round there is a case there for cub it's not ridiculous two of the three judges gave cub rounds one and three uh yeah i think i think the second round there's a much better case for cub i think the first round to me at the end of round two so you'd have to lean heavily into

that last punch basically yeah but like i i get the optics from that like in the first round by almost any scoring metric it seems that dowd you should have won it like particularly because cub cub gets busted up at the end of that round like the visuals alone are one man is bleeding one man isn't they landed similar amount of strikes but i i don't i really don't get scoring the first round for cub if you scored the second round for him i'm at that's fine i have no issues it. Scoring the first round feels bad to me. I don't know. The closest fight, I thought they got it wrong.

Not a robbery. You're right on. Look, does the value of it truly matter? Hopefully not in terms of anyone's job employment. But I kind of like seeing that emotional Cub afterwards, though. Talk about, look, I love it. Anytime fighters are real about the real life pressures that go into this game about living up to your your reputation which cub talked about about in this case you know

he had his wife and beautiful young children right there uh in the at zuck position cage side and he basically said look you know sooner or later they're gonna have to see this so let's just do this and luckily in this case daddy didn't get you know beat up um you know you can question those parenting skills although it seems yeah it doesn't seem like in boxing, it's more normal tradition to bring kids, put them in the front row and just be like, this is what dad does. I mean, we don't see that as much in MMA, but I did like to see, even though I didn't agree with him getting the win, I like to see, I like seeing Cub get the win and then be so emotional. Like you said. He's one of those underrated

warriors. He does have a fight that is in the Hall of Fame. Don't call him a Hall of Famer, though, and on my show. But yeah, it was what it was. I don't know. It does feel, at least in my... You're the boxing guy, BC. I'm not the boxing guy. It does feel in my exposure to boxing that they don't seem to have any issues

bringing children to events, which I don't seem to have any issues bringing children to events which i don't we could we could delve into the moral complications there i'm not sure i have a i think it's a cultural thing in certain cultures where boxing is literally sport number two besides beyond soccer it's it's just sort of like part of life right yeah and i don't i don't disagree like it doesn't seem ridiculous that you couldn't bring your child to an mma fight like one they're probably not paying attention right like anywhere at they're probably not going to be super focused on it and two like this is this is the job like you just explain to your kid what what you're doing and can all sort of settle

in uh maybe that's it though maybe maybe cub bring his family sort of swayed. I don't, it was Ron McCarthy was one of the judges. Maybe his, his family's presence there got him, got him over with the judges and, and that's a great hack. That's not bad.

It's worked many times in crowded arenas when the more popular fighter can sometimes sway the judge just by the crowd reaction. The other big bang on this largely ish. I didn't love this car top to bottom. We'll have more and have you seen the shit in terms of the big highlights, but the other big story, Khalil round tree, Jr.

How about this at light? Have you wait four straight wins three by KO. You had Chris stock is making a cut down to 205 pounds, looking to snap a three fight losing skid. Instead he got snapped. It was a vicious finish on a straight left cross. So here's the real question. Here's the hot question, Jed. Is it about time we take Khalil Rountree Jr. serious at light heavyweight? Ooh, that's a good question. I don't know. You should take him serious

if you're fighting him because he is pretty good at fist fighting he hits real hard he's not a Wilton Lilley like he's not going to go anywhere I don't know if we should take him seriously as a title contender that might be a bridge too far for me and it's not a condemnation

of him but what am I to gain from watching him knock out Chris Dawkus? The most expected outcome of this fight, the, uh, I put a bet on Cleo Rouchi by KO at minus 140. So it was a negative number to get that. That's the outcome we expected. It frankly looked pretty similar to what we expected. And I just don't know what, how much credence to give knocking out Chris Dawkus,

who has been knocked out three times in a row and was cutting down a weight to a harder weight class. So I don't know how to respond to this fight, basically. This is what I thought. I'm still pretty in on watching Khalil Roundtree fight anytime he does it because somebody's getting knuckle-dusted. One way or the other, things are going to get going. But I don't is this fight tells me nothing about how Khalil Roundtree will do against Anthony Smith or Jan Blachowicz or whatever. Like I got to see those fights to take him seriously as like a title threat. But as a top 10 top 12 dude, we you should have been taking him seriously a long time ago if you hadn't already.

Well, you got to take his power seriously always. And obviously that was a beautiful finish, but I did like overall the poise. I think he's coming together in terms of confidence and figuring out how to be the best of himself. But I do agree with you, although it sounds like you're walking onto, you know, anyone's campsite

and just pissing on their fire with all these hot takes. You might be right here, Chris Dawkus. I'm not sure with, what is that, four straight knockout defeats? He's in a tough spot in terms of future job employment with the UFC after this, but a nice win for Rountree. One thing he did say afterwards was like, look, give me a top 10 guy. More importantly, give me a main event. I want to test myself in five rounds. Let's find out where I'm at. You just said it. Let's find out. Let's see him against the anthony smith that level of guys in the middle of this top 10 to see but a big win for khalil in terms of a big highlight there was nice to see uh topic number two and as i mentioned again have you seen

this shit well more on this ufc card bellator 298 went down in the mma hotbed of South Dakota. Another homecoming opportunity here for former interim welterweight titleist Logan Storley, who probably tore up South Dakota on Friday nights. You know what I'm saying? Like, we'll go to the local car show at the McDonald's. That guy's probably just slaying left and right. But here's the deal. One-sided loss.

He's got a super Walmart now. Yeah, indeed. Indeed. All right. A one-sided rematch title loss to Yaroslav Amasov, losing 50-45 on all three scorecards. But he got the comeback win he needed here, facing the rising Brennan Ward, who we know his story recovering from the years out of the sport, the deep drug addiction, and had got that big win on CBS against Sabahu Masi. This was an interesting fight in terms of Ward's wrestling takedown defense

in the first round, but once Storlie was able to secure him there, as you're watching the highlights in round two, the ground and pound was delivered, and referee Jason Herzog, as you see right there, jumping in to stop it. Twitter did blow up. Brennan Ward was apoplectic, as Morrow said, great use of that term right there. But all in all here, Jed,

did Storley show you some real evolution here? Robbie Lawler in his corner. We know that the talent at Kill Cliff that you can get in South Florida. Did Storley show you enough evolution to lead you to believe he's still in this welterweight title picture?

Yes and no. So I don't want to be a guy who's negative because all i've been doing in negative bc that's who you are feel your anger anakin you know i'm not a very positive guy uh look this didn't this didn't make me think he's beating yaroslav Amisov. If that's the crux of the question here. No, I saw nothing there. What is good? The positive here showed a killer instinct, which has been a bit lacking. Like you look at his last,

like five fights or something. They've almost all been decisions. Some questionable that he even won those. So when he got top position and could take advantage of it, we saw some like real aggression out of him, which is a great thing. You need that if you are going to be an elite, elite-level fighter. Here's the thing, BC. I don't know if you know this because I thought I was crazy.

I was covering this event, and I don't know if you watched this fight live, if you came to it after, if you noticed this. I watched every fight this weekend this morning, so that's all you need to know. Hey, that's way to do your homework proud of you for that so while this fight is going on in the second round when he gets taken down i thought that it looked like he he uh bernard ward posts his arm out and he immediately like winced in pain and i was like oh he probably just jacked up his elbow and then when when storley's on top brendan ward just starts screaming at him the whole time it's like stand up you i don't know what words i'm allowed or not allowed to say on this stand up you up you obscenity uh i have one freaking arm just shouting at him before he

gets finished so i left that being like oh he hurt himself in the takedown. Actually, you go on Brent Ward's Instagram, a message from his wife basically reveals that he ruined his elbow a couple of weeks before the fight and just did it anyway. So I don't know how much credit to give Logan Storley for beating a one-armed man. How much credit did we give Aljermaine Sterling for beating the one-armed TJ Dillillashaw or was the dude's name in the fugitive though i guess he actually lost the fight to the one-armed man still i don't know what you give credit to for beating a one-armed man like that i will say again show great killer instinct and you can only fight the dudes who are in there with you but beating brennan ward does not make me think any more about your chances against Yaroslav Amosov, who is one of the very best welterweights in the world.

I mean, that's kind of fair. Ward can be a very feast or famine, all or nothing type guy. He's going to go in there and get hit and throw bombs. But I'll say this about Ward, even with one arm, it was a poised, almost patient attack. He had good moments with a power jab. Like I mentioned, the takedown defense wasn't bad in the first round. He did succumb there to that ground and pound and got finished, although he certainly argued it. He had good moments with a power jab. Like I mentioned, the takedown defense wasn't bad in the first round. He did succumb there to that ground and pound and got finished,

although he certainly argued it. I don't know. It was an emotional kind of big win for Storlie. You saw that celebration. I did see a turn of the corner that I needed to see from Storlie. You mentioned it in terms of the meanness. You're so positive. But I just saw, I don't know, I saw a guy who looked a little bit more comfortable on the feet than I'm used to,

even with him outstriking Neiman Gracie in thatie in that five round fight i mean that was a sloppy striking battle i haven't seen a lot of what i loved in story when he does step up to the highest level although i really respect him i don't know i saw a bit of that evolution enough to be i almost love no i mean the first fight was close and it was a one of the better fights in bellator history to be fair in terms of the back and forth on the ground and the reversals. That wasn't there in the rematch. Amoslav came back after the long layoff and showed us exactly where he's at. Yeah, I get what you're saying.

There's some elements. Were you okay with the stoppage? Because Jason Herzog went on Twitter and was, you know, fighting back at all the angry bettors who lost their wager because of this. That stoppage was kosher in your eyes, right? Who was upset with that stoppage? I'm going to make Twitter, okay? Who was getting laid into, like,

that's insane to be upset with that stoppage. Like, I know he complained, but he's a fighter. They always do that. And like, that's insane to be upset with that one. That was very clearly a fine stoppage. Indeed. That was the main event there. There was some other decent moments around the card.

Valentin Moldavsky had a nice bounce back win there, beating Big Steve Mowry after the first fight ended in a foul. But I want to hit some other big Bellator key headlines from the last week here. They announced the big one there, Bellator 300. It's going to go down October 7th. Four title fights up top the marquee but before we get into that did you see that poster that that originally showed cyborg

versus zingano on it and it had a phrase what was the phrasing i gotta look it up what was the phrasing that was in question here uh final is how look up. Cause I don't remember the end of the line or something like that. Finally, it's over. It began to fuel the potential rumor mill notion that Bellator, which knows, you know, all cards on deck.

We know that paramount, the parent company, the parent company of this show is looking to sell. Will PFL buy it? We're not really sure. John Ash Nash did go hard in the paint on the idea that it ends here. Thank you to a long Island. Look through the Prusa.

It ends here was on the poster. A lot of people said, well, as Bellator 300, the last Bellator card in history, Scott Coker at the press conference shot down John Nash and basically said, no, we're already planning three Oh one and three Oh two.

So as it stands right now for Bellator 300 here, let me call up these matchups to give you a perfect look at this. Main event, of course, Ryan Bader defending the heavyweight title in a rematch with Linton Vassell. You've got Cyborg versus Ngannou for the women's featherweight title. Usman Nurmagomedov welcomes former champion Brent Primus. And then you've got Liz Karmouche defending her title against the former champion and friend, Aleema Leigh McFarlane. How would you grade this given the historical nature of this Bellator 300 card? One, can we just talk about how funny that poster is? Because the poster is legitimately hilarious. It ends here. Because you can squint your eyes and

see what Bellator is saying there like oh yeah they're talking about the cyborg Zinganu long brewing rivalry that hasn't come to fruition but then you look at it and you're like except for that's the co-main event when has anybody ever put the catch line

or thing about the co-main event that's just not how it goes so it's an incredible poster. I don't think Bellator's done it 300 just because we're not close enough to a selling deal at this juncture that they're going to at least continue forward and finish out the lightweight tournament

or the Grand Prix. So I think it's all sort of the same, but it's been incredible, like four days for Bellator in that regard. This is going to be interesting for title fights, BC. That is, it's a lot of title fights.

I remember a few years ago when we were starting to see a couple of three title fights, think Bellator did it on one of their events, a couple of UFC events have done it. And the question is like, is this going to be like those old school days where suddenly you run late because all three go to decision.

Adding a fourth in really, really muddles it and creates an opportunity for this to be one very long night of fights. But look, it's your 300 events. Go big. Do something special. Do something splashy for title fights. It's something for a lot of people. i i will very much be interested in this like i'll i will absolutely be watching

this one and this will probably be the best event that weekend so that'll be good yeah but you did tease the potential if the entertainment value doesn't line up that we could get 20 consecutive title rounds that's what you're trying to say it it would be hilarious and very bellator for that to happen and if you just look at these fights too man like ryan bader linton vassell feels extremely likely to go 25 minutes cyborgs and ganu like cyborgs been pretty decision heavy uh lately so that could I would suspect that gets finished, but Usman Brent premise, honestly,

I have no idea what to expect as far as a finish. Brent premise looked very good in his most recent fight. And then car Moosh McFarland very likely is going 25. So we could be in for what's that? 200 minutes of fighting something like that. We'll see how that plays out a lot of the big names had just recently appeared on that bellator rise and two supercard and then aj mckee pulled out with injury we know patricio pipple is expected to be out long with injury uh so we'll

see how that plays out but i like the the effort at least putting four title fights there to close on bellator how about this headline light heavyweight champion Vadim Nemkov has said publicly he's likely going to vacate his title and move up to heavyweight. Now, when I ask you, how do you like his chances? I certainly have to hedge that with the notion that Ryan Bader is currently the heavyweight champion and Vadim Nemkov stopped Ryan Bader pretty decisively to win that title. But in general, in Bellator, Nemkov, who's arguably the best light heavyweight in the world at this moment,

this is an interesting choice to do this now. Do you like his chances to have that same success one division higher? I mean, in Bellator, for sure. Well, in heavyweight, it's just a much worse division than light heavyweight, which is also a bad division. But if you move up and you're a person of means and talent, you're probably going to have a good amount of success. There may be an upper bound to it, but that's frankly more likely in the UFC where like the top heavyweights are just extremely good and very large. So if you don't have both, you can't compete in that realm.

But like Steve Mowryry are you picking steve mowry to beat the team he just steve mowry just got tackled tackle laid on by valentine moldovsky for 15 minutes and that's sort of an interesting wrinkle to this i don't is nimcov still attached to fedor team i don't know if he like i know he works with ATT so I'm not really sure if he's still in the Fedor team or what uh how Valentin Moldavsky would sort of fit into this but I would pick Nemkov to beat Brian Bader and Linton Vassell and probably all like if you look at the Bellator rankings Daniel James is is a top 10 heavyweight like I mean, his quickness and striking would be a big time problem up there. But I don't know.

We'll see if Ryan Bader holds on to that title against Vassell. It has been a great run. I mean, do you subscribe to that notion that Nemkov could be the best 205er on the planet right now? I think that it's very possible. I have pretty doggedly stuck with Yuri Prohashka.

And I personally think that outside of accomplishment, Magomed Ankalayev is the best 205er in the world. But to me, it's a three-horse race between those two and Vadim Nemkov. If you pick any of those three, I don't have an issue with it. And now I guess Alex Pereira's putting himself in the mix as well. Oh, he's there. Yeah, those three dudes. I,

if, if you think any of them are, are the top guy, I cannot argue against you. Yeah. You might be right. By the way, did she fade or told Ariel on your network that he wants to box?

Come on. We don't, I don't know. Come on. Oh, BC you're underselling it. He didn't just say he wants to box. He said he wants to box Mike Tyson.

Get it. You got to give them the whole, the whole enchilada to eat here. He wants to box he said he wants to box mike tyson get it you got to give him the whole the whole enchilada to eat here he wants to box mike tyson and i don't know how likely that is i don't know that mike tyson is trying to box but like wouldn't it just be very combat sportsy in 2023 to see that fight get made i mean isn't jeff monson boxing um uh oleg tektarov coming up i mean it's not really happening i have no idea if that's true that's true they're fighting in some form in their 50s in russia but uh yeah i don't know of course it's in russia justin that's an insane thing yeah i'm done i learned an awful thing i've said this before we had a nice scene and i and the

whole celebrity crossover boxing bubble is not dead in fact jake paul and nate diaz surprised me on being that interesting at least of a fight dylan dennis might box logan paul and he's not don't say it it's not happening okay it's probably not gonna happen my point is there's still some air left in the balloon on that but in general this whole idea of all guy fights influencer fights it was great pandemic wise it was great when boxing couldn't get in first gear but with where we're at this year i'm done i'm done with this i'm done with this you can pull me in i got pulled into jake versus nate it wasn't bad i got pulled in but i don't need fedor and tyson i don't

need this stuff moving forward we should okay bc what what if we what if we do fedor versus anderson in boxing does that does that i mean i i was on the record for a long time saying bellator should have backed up a truck to anderson to have him fight fedor for fedor's final fight on cbs and make it a massive thing but uh yeah um yeah all right let's keep it going i would watch fedor anderson i would watch i would on CBS and make it a massive thing. But yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's keep it going. I would watch Fedor Anderson. I would watch.

I would every day of the week. There are exceptions to this rule. Or Jake Paul. Fedor Jake Paul. Moving on. Speaking. By the way, I one time said, what about Jake Paul boxing Nganou on PFL? And people wanted to, like, throw me out of the show.

I also made that joke. It would be really funny. It would. Let's go to topic number three. Speaking of real boxing, it was a sneaky good boxing weekend over the weekend. And I did force you for your participation on the show to sit in there and watch it, Jed.

So let's talk about it. Anthony Joshua was supposed to be rematching Dillian White in an interesting fight that would have potentially set up a Deontay Wilder matchup. Well, then Dillian White took every drug that Darrell Big Baby Miller wasn't using. But how about this? How about filling in the Nordic nightmare, Robert Heleneus on one week notice, he had just won a fight against a no hoper in Finland. And Jed, I don't know if you saw that video of that highlight, but when you speed up a guy in the back wall in that arena was just all stone. It was like,

they fought in like a well or something. It was weird. Anyway, I have not seen that shit. We're back in the UK. Joshua takes on Hellenius. And if you only watch the highlight of the seven round seventh round finish,

it was a spectacular one punch knock from Joshua, who set it up beautifully with a jab and landed a looping right hand that knocked Hellenius cold. If you remember, Hellenius fought Deontay Wilder, and Wilder's comeback over the past year and got KO'd in round one. But there is a deeper story about this performance from AJ in his second fight under trainer Derek James. There was a lot of criticism, even from the announced team on DAZN leading up to the KO, about AJ's output, about his attitude, about his confidence level. Really, the sustained sort of narratives that have come out of not only AJ's upset loss to Andy Ruiz back in the day that he did redeem against a fatter version of Andy in the rematch, but the two losses to Alexander Usyk, the meltdown in the ring afterwards. Look, it has not been a great run publicly for AJ. Even with the bounce back win against Jermaine Franklin,

there was a lot to pick apart in that. Jed, you check this fight out. Can this Anthony Joshua, who called out Deontay Wilder afterwards and wants to fight him in January in Saudi Arabia for trillions of dollars, is this guy back is this guy who he once was is AJ still in play to potentially take back over this entire division well look you're the boxing guy you're gonna have to tell me if he is who who he was because this sort of just feels like who he is right like uh i'm willing to hear the arguments that he's he's with with new team and was working some things out and lord knows the commentary team was trying to make that case while they were watching him tepidly paw at

bobby hell for six rounds or whatever, but this didn't look, this didn't look like a guy who's going to captivate the masses other than walking off the bus. It looks great getting off the bus. Just outstanding physique. Looks like my ideal image of a professional boxer. When you see him standing there, like,

Oh, that man should be very, very good at this. He's a video game. Heavyweight. Look at him. I mean, he's an Adonis.

It's ridiculous. Yeah. Just carved from stone. Like, unbelievable. Like, the length and all the right places. And then he was just pawing at it. And again, not a big boxing guy. So my large exposure to Bob Lanius here is him getting just sent to the shadow realm by Deontay

Wilder with a little boop right hand like not even a full one just a palm in the face and getting killed and so watching AJ sit here and sort of struggle with him because he was getting touched up like he was never in danger of losing that fight but he got tagged

a bunch like his face was bloody it was harder than people wanted it and maybe like the commentary team said he was just trying to get rounds and you know work through with his new team on some stuff and the finish was spectacular but i come out of that fight thinking really want to see aj wilder like that's that's been the fight wanted to see for a very long time obviously and dionte wilder just going to kill this jamoke. Like he is just going to blow his doors off. Uh,

and it's, this just sort of feels like who AJ is. He's, he is the Prince that was promised, but the promise was a lie. Like he just, it's not, it's not there for whatever reason.

He doesn't, doesn't have it all in that way. And so he's, you know, he's you know he's going to be a draw people are going to be interested i'll i'll continue to watch his fights i always watch him fight watch i watch all the big names you know dionte etc but i don't have any expectations that he's getting you know to to win a belt or the unified title in any regard all right for a non-boxing guy i think you you just nailed it. Let's break this down.

I mean, AJ still stars, you said. In fact, coming out to a full stadium with that violin player. I mean, AJ entrances are always epic on a pride level. I loved it. The showmanship was great. Always is. And if you only watch that highlight, yeah, you can get fired the hell up and be like, man, he's back and let's see him in there against Wilder.

And I think they will. And it will be a huge fight. But to everything you just said, to what Luke Thomas has believed since the beginning, I think is true. AJ, as it stands now, is setting up to get knocked the hell out. The ghost disappeared that night in Madison Square Garden in 2019 against Andy Ruiz. Some people never get back. That was the funniest fight of all time.

Yeah. And some people never get back that invincibility Jed when it's gone and it got knocked out of him that night. He won the rematch against the fattest Ruiz ever, but was tepid and, and, and very careful as a boxer. And since then,

you know, I think who nailed it, Paulie Malinagy. I happened to catch his take ball flipping through Instagram yesterday and he nailed it, nailed it completely. He basically said, if the issues were

physical, I would think Joshua can turn this around, but the issues here are clearly mental. And I agree with that. Let me break it down. How I break, how I see that Joshua is still in an identity crisis about who he is as a boxer. I think the Usyk fight showed him wrongly trying to outbox the slickest boxer that the heavyweight division has seen not named Tyson Fury in the longest time. And it didn't go well for him, although he was competitive, particularly in that second one. He's trying too hard to be a boxer. This was against a Hellenius who, like you said, look, Hellenius is feast or famine. He was once a huge bright prospect, big punch, huge for the weight class, as you saw there, never quite saw it. I mean,

he got knocked out by Gerald Washington, which was a huge sign, had the two comeback knockout wins against Kovnatsky to put him back on the map. And of course you saw what happened against Wilder. It wasn't as if Hellenius did bad or was easy to beat. Hellenius was difficult. That's what he does. But AJ wasn't confident. He didn't build behind that jab. I didn't love the interactions between him and Derek James in the corner. It just doesn't look like AJ is buying into what they're trying to do there. It doesn't look like AJ is having fun. It doesn't look any more like AJ truly believes in himself. If AJ truly believed in himself, I believe in that rematch with Usyk, he would have done what he should have, which is go in guns blazing, knowing you can't out slick that former

cruiserweight undisputed champion, the Olympic gold medalist, who was just so dynamic. AJ is still in this crisis where, yeah, once Hellenia started to slow in this fight about round five, you finally saw a busier AJ. But before that, I wouldn't call it sleepwalking. He was active. He was on the front foot. He just wasn't throwing punches. It just sort of like there's a disconnect there. And I've never liked the pairing with Derek James, not for stylistic reasons, not for

coaching reasons. Derek James, you know, arguably the best trainer on the planet, even with the one-sided loss in Spence Crawford. But I just don't think AJ is buying into anything. I don't know if you saw the DX crotch chop after the knockout. When you mix that with the really bizarre post-fight interview afterwards, not as bizarre as the one after the Usyk rematch where he commandeered the microphone in like a Forrest Griffin versus Tito Ortiz rematch type way. This was more of just him not wanting to really answer questions and sort of trying to shout down the haters in the crowd. I just think AJ right now doesn't know who he is when he's still young enough and still

physically able if he commits to being what he does best. Yeah, AJ can box. He's won big fights by boxing against the B-level, more limited guys. But if he's going to beat the A guys, the Furies, the U6s, who are incredible slick boxers, he's got to be the bully. He's got to be the six foot six jacked guy who's going to lean on you, going to use the fact that he can finish you with both hands, that he's a great combination puncher, has a tremendous uppercut that at times reminds you of Lennox Lewis, but the rest of the game doesn't round out and have that same Lennox

Lewis reminder because AJ is incomplete. He's always been a little bit too muscle bound, but he's made it work, especially when fighting guys who have a gap in their skill set. If they're not technical enough, he can't out technical you. But if he comes into a Deontay Wilder matchup with this sort of indifference in his eyes, yeah, he's going to get absolutely splattered. I mean, Jed, it's tough for me in my, literally in my basement to be like, AJ, man, you're jacked. You're a finisher. We know that.

Just go in there and bite down and try to finish guys. Because look, it's the heavyweight division. One punch can change anything. And AJ has always had, to be fair, I don't want to say a bad chin, but a flashy chin. You can hurt him, right? Dillian White did. Carlos Tackham did. You can hurt him.

But still, in a heavyweight fight, sometimes sometimes it's still about let's go in there and trade lumber and let's see who's the you know who's got the bigger punch and the better chin in this case i love to see aj i would love to see him use that athleticism mixed with the power and go after people him trying to feel out be the counter puncher it's just not going to work man it ultimately worked against helenius it's not gonna work against usaker fury and with wilder's power man i do fear for aj unless he goes into that fight with the mindset that i gotta get dionte before dionte gets me i mean is that fair jed yeah so like i don't know what to tell him as far as much of this but at a very basic level i think most of what you

said i would fundamentally agree with he's not having fun like did when in the last like x years has it looked like he has had fun he had fun when that fight was over and he delivered a ko but the rest of it looks like a man who is absolutely petrified that something bad is going to happen that he is going to drop the ball, that he is not going to meet expectations, whatever it is. And just like, I don't know, man, like you're fighting a dude on short notice who is not going to beat you. And no one thinks just go have fun in there, like enjoy yourself. And the result is probably going to come in a, in a much more significant and meaningful way. Like maybe you do get knocked out, but isn't it better to not get knocked out,

having fun than to get knocked out because you are just throwing nothing but a jab. And no, it's better to get knocked out when you're actively trying to win the fight the best way possible. When you are actively going after the wind and you get caught, Hey man, you got caught.

I'm getting a little sick of seeing aj being too tentative or trying to be the bot or just thinking too much in general he's thinking too much yeah yeah just go out let it all hang out just have some fun you don't have to run recklessly in there but like you could whatever you're doing the treat every opponent you're fighting as if they you are fighting me and you give them no respect and just see what happens i better bet it'll work out a lot better. I'd like to see that. You'll have more fun. That nastiness that he's showing now in these post-fight interviews, like that sort of, I'd like to see that in the ring.

I really would. But hey, big knockout. He's going to get huge disconnect. It's a huge disconnect between the product produced in the ring and the stuff said afterwards. I do. I would like to see him fight both Fury and Wilder before it's all over. Considering the amount of money that's being talked about in Saudi,

let's get this Wilder fight happening in January. Look, if he wins it, man, he'd be the big gun to fight the winner of this inevitable Fury-Usyk fight that inevitably looks like Fury doesn't want. So there you go right there. He's not going to get it once Ngannou knocks him out. Then it's not even going to happen. I mean, here's the deal. If Wilder knocks out AJ,

I bet you Fury would still want to fight AJ afterwards because Fury knows the money in an AJ fight and all that. But man, in some ways, that fight was tough to watch on Saturday. Speaking of Saturday in boxing, though, they promised a potential fight of the year. Top Rank did 130-pound title fight. Emmanuel Navarrete defending against Oscar Valdez and Jed. I think they damn near came close. In the end, it goes down as a unanimous decision for the three-division champion Navarrete,

who defended his 130 WBO title. Two of the three scorecards I thought were wider than they needed to be, but these two guys absolutely went to war. It was Navarrete's six-inch reach advantage and awkwardness early, but I got to give Valdez, who always shows tremendous heart, props for the adjustments he made in the middle of the fight, particularly in round six, getting off with those short left hooks,

using his athleticism on the inside to pivot. It turned into a bomb burner down the stretch when Navarrete hurt his right hand. Valdez's right eye was closing. You had Marco Antonio Barrera and Eric Morales at ringside. I mean, the huevos were just bouncing around the arena. Jed, you were forced to sit down and watch this near classic in Arizona. Did it live up to everything I told you it could be?

Dude, this is awesome. Of the many things, I'm very happy and grateful to be brought on this week. Mostly, I'm really happy that you told me to watch this fight because I watch the big fights. I will watch every big boxing match match and I may throw on Showtime boxing or something. If I'm got nothing else to do and it's on, but not an avid follower of all of the various champions in the various organizations.

So this is my first experience with both of these men. I got to tell you, I'm a big Navarote guy now, big Navarote guy from this. Cause he's a crazy person. I am not a genius at striking. I'm pretty sure he does everything wrong. I'm pretty sure that nobody would ever teach you to do half the stuff I saw him do in there. And it was, it was electric. Like I couldn't take my eyes off watching this dude at various points, like trip over his own feet because he's, his footwork is bad.

And he just sort of like fires punches as, Oh, there's a window. So even though my feet are crossed and I'm falling this way, I'm still going to throw this left hand. And just, it was incredible to watch him like do that leaping lunging, like left shovel punch from out of nowhere that consistently found a home. He's awesome. I'm so in on this dude now. So, uh, this fight ruled. It was incredibly fun about that. Super tough. Like you said, the left hook coming down the stretch, he started to really just swing that as hard as he possibly could. And it landed a bunch in like a meaningful way i think i had it eight to four seven to five on watch so the scorecard seemed fine i think um well the scorecards were like ten to two nine oh was there ten to two i i wasn't paying that much attention to that um i know that the they're the

concurrent one was eight four whatever and yeah seven five eight four something like that the fight was just super fun and now i have a new dude who i'm gonna watch every time he fights because the guys he literally tripped over himself throwing punches which is just incredible i mean he could throw uppercuts from with both hands from about five feet out with that six inch reach advantage which is incredible but he was throwing he could throw him from two inches in like just a random thing. Like, oh, bop. Like, he's awesome.

He's the best. The cowboy, they call him El Vaquero. I don't do any languages, as I dropped a lot of Jean-Paul Paul Francais. I think Caballero is cowboy. Over the week. Yeah, so he's the cowboy. So here's the deal. He was the underdog coming in.

This is the biggest win of his career by far. He had had those two big wins over isaac dog bay on the title level at 122 pounds he's now at 130 and to be fair there was some questions about which direct not which direction navarrete is going but in some ways how good or great could he be he had that fight with liam wilson where he got dropped early didn't look great he ended up rallying and stopping wilson and a lot of people were saying hey man maybe we need to see that again but they made made this fight. Both guys promised the potential, as I said, of a fight of the year. I think they came pretty darn close of living up to

it. But this was an upset win. And this is an interesting story. We don't talk about Navarrete a lot. We talk about him as being an action hero. We talk about him as he fights all the time. He fights like every three and a half months. I he's always fighting but it's usually against the next guy in line there's not a ton of killer names across three divisions on his resume where you're like oh yeah great win great win i'm just wondering now beating a guy like oscar valdez who is you know i mean it's not that far removed from knocking out miguel burchel and moving up in way to win a second title for the knockout of the year. This is a great win. I'm not ready to put Navarrete on a pound for pound list or anything, but we should

start really putting respect on his name, not just for the warrior spirit and, you know, the cowboy hat and the cool tats and all that. But dude, he's a tough out. It's incredible to believe this guy ever made 122. Now he is long. He's awkward. He's a man in there. And to have Barrera and Morales at ringside to have

Joe Tess on on the broadcaster ESPN losing his mind and probably his uh other fluids throughout the whole fight it deserved it a huge win full respect to Navarrete and by the way Shakur Stevenson who has fully moved up to 135 and did widely outclass oscar valdez said hey i'll fight navarrete i'm gonna catch weight if you guys want me to but that's more because apparently lomachenko turned down shaker's request to fight i don't know if you know shaker well here jed but he's uh but if anybody's like if there's any fighter on the planet who you could say he looks like floyd there's some floyd elements to him devon haney at times shaker stevenson yes i mean this guy's coming he's coming okay dude he would probably uh again again i'm sure that real boxing heads will be like you're an idiot my my actual biggest takeaway

aside from the navarrete's dope and i want to watch this insane dude fight uh i think it would be incredibly funny to to watch him box Vasily Lomachenko to see the difference in footwork that those two men have. Oh, yeah. I think I could actually watch Vasily Lomachenko completely encircle this man. Like, actually just walk around him in a circle, and it would be great.

I would watch that fight. I would pay $100 to watch that fight. I would pay a hundred dollars to watch that fight. Indeed. Indeed. We also had a showtime championship boxing triple header over the weekend from just over the river from DC and Oxon Hill, Maryland, Luke Thomas and Steven bread,

man Edwards on the undercard call. That was nice. A big wins for Manuel Rodriguez gaining another world title, 118 pounds. Also Gary Antoine Russell taking out Ken Cruz, but here was the big talk. The opener on this telecast turned out to be a monster upset via stoppage. So here's the deal.

Trayvon Marshall came in with a 7-0 record, a big-time sort of tag on him as a hot prospect. He was going in there against Gabriel Maestre, a two-time Venezuelan Olympian who only had six pro fights coming in. He was five. Oh, and one coming in. Yes. So sell me on Marshall because I don't,

I don't had no idea who this was until I watched this fight. Like why, why is he so, so hyped? He's a good prospect. I've called some of his fights on the, on the early prelims there for showtime. He's,

he's quick, confident and aggressive. Got a good right hand, all that stuff. But here's the deal he was coming in against Maestre who's 36 but was a two-time Venezuelan Olympian and only had six pro fights coming in at 5-0 and one but Jed they set the line here at minus 950 for Marshall the betting favorite now I hadn't seen this line coming in I would have favored Marshall to win of

course here but I wouldn't have favored him by a lot. And what ended up happening? Maestro turns in a second round thunderous stoppage to score a big upset. And I get what you're saying sort of after the fact. It looks like, man, what did we ever love about Trayvon Marshall? Well, we loved him at a certain level, taking out the guys he was expected to. But I wanted to ask you, because Jed, I did peep your LinkedIn page ahead of later on. We're going to have a nice fun segment, Getting to Know Jed, which you have described as a awkward Tinder date between the two of us. It says on there that you're a former professional gambler. Hold that thought right there. Boxing oddsmakers, the lines, as we talk about a lot in the show for Friday's OK Bet, boxing matches are usually a lot wider. Now, I understand setting lines is more about inducing betting activity

than necessarily outright telling you this person's going to win by this much. But can I ask you, professional gambler ex, why are we so wide in boxing? Who could have commissioned this fight? I want to let people know here, Gabriel Maestri, not a household name coming in, but he knocked out Diego Chavez,

former world title challenger, in his second pro fight. He scored wins over a faded Devin Alexander and a good fighter in Michael Fox. He fought to a draw with unbeaten Tereshella Sucks. So this guy had done some things here as a two-time Olympian. How in the hell was this minus 950?

And what is going on with boxing line making, in your opinion? So I can't speak to this fight in particular. I will also just say that I'm going to default to Vegas because I don't know if you've been there, but it's not a town of poverty. Yeah, they tend to win. It would appear that they're doing okay in Vegas. So I'm going to assume that they know what they're doing, at least in the broad spectrum

of things. But when you said that, you know, boxing lines are not just like every line is not to really show maybe a, hey, who's going to win or not. It's going to incentivize betting. It could also just be to disincentivize betting to, hey, we really don't want to take any action on Trayvon Marshall because we think he is going to win. And so there's just not like if the lines are low,

then everyone will just get on this. And then we're going to be in a position where we're just paying out a bunch of winners. So we're going to disincentivize that. And occasionally they're going to get handed the cookie jar happens five or six times a year in boxing where some plus a thousand underdog comes through with a big KO. I have no idea why they would have set this line at minus nine 50.

Haven't watched either of these dudes fight before this one, but immediately as soon as this fight started, I said to myself, self that looks like a grown man fighting a child because it was 36 year old dude fighting a 22 year old. I personally have made this assessment for MMA and other things. I would never trust a 22 year old child with with a heavy responsibility for anything because I was 22 once, BC. I assume at some point in time you were 22 oh would you call yourself reliable would you call yourself a good smart person who maximized

the things that you were doing i was an idiot so i wouldn't call myself reliable till about age 33 my wife would probably say i'm not there yet but at 22 i was an abject train wreck yeah i didn't have any like i had no and sure he can be further along in that aspect of life and sport but like he's still a kid he might wake up one day and his accutane like f's up his hormones and he's like oh well i don't i'm not feeling it today whatever he just can't do shit anymore so i have no idea why you'd ever install a 22 year old kid as a minus a thousand betting favorite that seems like bad bad principles and i i hope that some people who are more in tune to boxing took advantage because if i wasn't like it wasn't

a runaway but he wasn't winning the fight in my estimation before he got knocked out well he's facing a guy with extreme experience there a two-time olympian had beaten in six pro fights had faced some legit guys so i don't understand that line i believe that was fan duel who had that line i saw luke thomas tweet that out but uh i trevor marshall had looked good but again he'd been fighting the kind of competition a guy who's one and oh two and oh three and oh four no should be fighting this was a step up and he got stepped down he did put on instagram that he's going to bounce back he you know he's going to learn from this all good on that regard but a big win for maestro and an interesting turn of events there

uh to close there jed what kind of professional gambler were you oh uh i was i was doing sports betting primarily on mma also, you were checking my LinkedIn. So like, it's one of those things where you put it on the resume and like the total validity of it is like, I have placed a few bets at times. Does that make me? I did, in fact, have my primary income come from gambling for a period of my life. Hold that thought until we have our date later on today. Let's keep the train moving.

Topic number four looking forward speaking of anthony joshua versus hellenius there in the uk sold out stadium everybody was there including conor mcgregor who looked like typical conor mcgregor of late a little bloated probably drunk or more that's just me editorializing. He was ringside. He made a lot of noise. He sat down with talk sports, Gareth A. Davis, the warlock himself, to lay out a three-fight comeback plan over the next year or so in the UFC. He also very sloppily post-fight called out KSI to a bare knuckle fight. So basically Jed, this was typical Connor of late, which means I'm not sure this guy's ever going to fight again or should, but let's go piece by piece before I get your reaction on what we did see, because you know, Connor's not in the USADA pool fellas yet. He thinks he's going to fight soon. Let's listen to Conor's three-fight plan here with the Warlock.

I knew you're fighting. Chandler. You are going to do it. I have to, I have to. You've been teasing him. I'm going to do that with him, yeah. I'm going to grab him by the chest and crap him. That's what I'm going to do.

Are we going to see you in another boxing match as well, the second richest fight in history when you fought Floyd Mayweather? Yeah. That man KSO over here, he couldn't box eggs. He couldn't box eggs if he walked in a f***ing egg boxing factory, yeah? It's always great to see you. Thank you guys.

All the best. Channel next December, and then Gacy BMF, and then we'll do Nate. Brilliant. Cheers. Thank you. All right, let's start there, Jed. And if anyone's saying, oh, BC hates Conor.

I love Conor. That's why I'm being so harsh, because it's obvious this guy is me at 22, but right now. So, Jed, is he ever going to fight in the UFC again? Is he really fighting? Notice the verbiage there. He said, Chandler, because I have to. That tends me to believe. Notice the tone.

That tends me to believe. Disappointed Chandler I've ever heard in my life so uh are they going to give him the brock lesnar exception or what what's happening here oh a thousand percent i've been saying this forever i don't i'm still not confident he is actually fighting michael chandler i've been pretty adamant that he is not going to fight michael chandler but uh i'm pretty sure that when he does come back, it will be with the Brock Lesnar exception because they can do it and it will be worth it to them monetarily. And there will be some blowback, but I don't know if you remember this crazy thing happened at the beginning of the year, Dana White hit his wife and we moved past that in like three

weeks. So I'm pretty sure that the UFC can, can take the big bag of money that Connor fighting presents and move past a bad headline or two of, Oh, the exemption. Right. Like the general public is going to be so fricking excited for McGregor Chandler.

Like we were when Brock came back that like, even though Mark Hunt deserves a lot of our respect, financial money, a lot of Mark Hunt deserves a lot right now. Brock took the exception popped for them. A lot of our respect, financial money, a lot. Mark Hunt deserves a lot right now. Brock took the exception, popped for an insane amount of PEDs and looked like he was a superhero. And we're all like, you know what? They'll probably just let Conor do the same thing.

And you know what? Because membership has its privilege. Nobody's going to care. You're right. Nobody's going to care. Why wouldn't they? I've seen some people be like, oh, the fighters would be pissed. They're like, sure, they would. Why does ufc care do they care at all no like the fighters should have been mad when they got cut out of four billy and they didn't do shit then they're not gonna do

shit because connor gets to fight again so whatever like the uc is just gonna do it on whatever timeline connor wants because it's worth a lot of money and one bad headline isn't gonna kill him so i'm really not sure he's fighting chandler uh i do think the thing he outlined there is the actual like correct path forward of come back fight chandler assuming he wins if he can win big assumption there fighting gaethje for the bmf belt or whatever totally reasonable and then after that uh the nate trilogy has sort of just been waiting forever. So I think that makes a ton of sense on a timeline. Um,

dude, if we get to the Nate trilogy, if we actually get to the Nate trilogy, the odds of Connor losing both the Chandler and Gaethje fights would be huge. Um, especially by knockout and both. If it had, you know,

yeah. Could he be Chandler? Of course. Could he be Gaethje? It's possible. Of course it's possible. But what has, what over the past year has given you any level of confidence that it's

still likely? No, that's why I'm saying I love the guy, but, but you know, I'm kind of done, dude. If we get to the Nate Diaz fight though,

remember, remember both of these first two fights were in 2016. Dude, this is going to look a lot like Robbie versus Nick Diaz part two. It will. And that was some of the saddest, grossest shit. I know a lot of like hardcores were like,

no man, that fight was great. They went to war. No, that was some of the saddest, grossest MMA shit I've seen in a while since it's not necessarily, uh, the heart attack match between, uh,

RIP Kimbo and Dada, but dude, that's, it's, it's going to be gross. Like you, they probably, here's what I'm saying.

They probably should just do Conor and Nate now. Why would you line up Conor to lose to these guys? Your answer would be because we made them ultimate fighter coaches, and they're supposed to fight at the end. But I don't know. So here's the other part about Conor. I would agree. They should do Conor and Nate now, but Nate's indisposed at the moment.

Do you believe, by the way, Nate's manager saying he made like upwards of 20 million in that fight? Yes, I do believe that's a lot of fricking money. Wow. So something I've editorialized, you know, remember when Connor got caught in the bathroom with that woman at the, at the NBA finals halftime,

you know, and then Connor's caught in a lot of, a lot of videos with women and people like, finally people were like BC and my DMS are like, yo, obviously he's got an open marriage, man. Stop worrying about this guy's personal life he married are they married because i don't know if you're actually not sure if they're married indeed devlin i don't know if they're married i don't know but they really portrayed him during connor's documentary as

the ultimate family man let's go to the videotape here's how connor arrived to the fight documentary on saturday um yeah it looks pretty open to me jed probably not my business to say that out loud but yeah that's where we're at and then you mentioned it and a lot of people mentioned it including luke thomas angrily on twitter after the fight a anthony joshua had gone through the ropes to go celebrate outside connor brought out one of his forged irish stouts i saw this live and it was the funniest thing in the world meanwhile aj's nose is still gushing blood from that fight that's uh that's something right there uh what do you think happened to the rest of that beer you think connor chugged it probably uh he didn't throw it in anybody i don't think so he probably just finished it all later

the the aj thing is incredible i did not see the bus injury i missed that um look i'm not here to judge his personal life and that my part if if yep not mine if he and his uh again i don't think they're married if they are and if he and his wife are okay, if not, he and his fiance, whatever makes them happy. I'm fine. Hands off. I'm happy. It can't be that bad. Right.

I agree. Who is that? Sheryl Crow. Yeah. Nailed it. But yeah, the forcing the awful beer. Dude, that's the thing. Like, that's the thing. That's remarkable. Conor is so far past caricature right now,

and it kills me because, dude, where he was on top of the mountain after the Eddie fight will just never be rivaled. And if you want to say, who cares about the second half of his career? Look at the money he made against Floyd. Look at, you know, he got into the biggest fight in MMA history against Habib.

Look at all this stuff. Yeah, but the second half of his career has been not only a train wreck, it's just missed opportunity after missed opportunity for the biggest, greatest lightning rod in the history of the sport. A guy who has fueled so much fandom and financial success for the company. And to see him in the final years here, while he still may or may not potentially have it, not using it or I mean, it's it's it's it's rough. It's been rough, but I got to get over that and move on. Speaking of really worthless super fights that may or talking about and that's zuck versus musk the billionaire battles it's like trump versus mcmahon part two there from wrestlemania all those years

back so here's the latest update yesterday on threads whatever meta induced social platform that is at zuck has revealed that yeah it's time to move on from this fight. Let's go to the screen grab here from Luke Thomas' Twitter. Zuck is saying, I think we all can agree that Elon isn't serious. It's time to move on. I offered a real date. Dana offered to make this legit for charity. Elon won't confirm.

Then he says he needs surgery. Now he has to do a practice round in my backyard instead. And they did share those leaked text messages. Somebody did, if they're real or not, I don't know, online. And then he says, if Elon ever gets serious about a real date, he knows how to reach me. Otherwise, time to move on. I'm going to, Bob, I don't care where you're going, Zuck.

Leave me alone. The other updates before I get your reaction here, Jed, was previously Elon Musk had tweeted out, can we throw to that one, that he doesn't want the UFC to be involved at all. In fact, he says this fight would be managed by him and Zuck's foundations, the live stream would be on their platforms. And he's referencing a comment Dana White made on the Mike Tyson hotboxing podcast where Dana White said, I had just had a meeting with the minister of culture in Italy about doing this fight at the Roman Coliseum. Well,

Zuck says it's over. I don't know if I should ask you like your reaction. Cause obviously your reaction is like, I'm glad F this, but in, in your, in the people versus Dana White in 2023, his shameless lust for this fight,

is it the worst part of Dana's public? We've had wife slap, power slap. We've had a lot of bad Dana moments this year. The Zuck versus Musk charade. I mean, can we fill out good undercards and get out of the apex here and stop worrying about this bs please i'm fine with it from dana on this one um it's better than when he hit his wife so you know at least we're not doing that anymore it's great uh no this is i get this one which is why i i maybe at some level can understand power slap at least the idea behind

it but it's a very silly and stupid idea that's not going to work so you should abandon it and at least not shove it down my throat but i've also largely like i'm not nearly as anti-power slap as many other people in this space are i just kind of don't care and i don't have to engage with it in that way i totally get this one because in the thing where he says he talked to the minister of italy or italian commerce or whatever it was he very explicitly is like hey uh this would be the biggest fight in the history of the planet um i think that this would do a billion dollars in revenue and while maybe that's high the other parts of it are all right if these two dudes ever were to fight it would be a cultural event on of the likes we haven't seen in at modern times you're saying it would be bigger than joe frazier versus

muhammad ali part one at madison square garden is that what you're saying yes yes yeah i hate if that's true not from quality it's not from quality obviously but more people would watch that fight than anything other than the world cup maybe like legitimately because the world cup does like a billion viewers or whatever globally outside of that like i don't think anything's gonna touch what these two actually fighting would do so i get dana's play for the money like hey you a wme's got that got that loan note carry on then how to pay off like that that can cover it all sure so i get it um so it's fine with it um it's is it shameless and stupid of course but this whole thing has been very dumb uh i i think it's been very funny i

can you just think of how deranged a person you have to be to make Mark Zuckerberg come off as like a totally chill, reasonable guy. Like, think about the character Zuck was like six months ago, even. And now like, oh, yeah, he's the rational one. He's like, he's the guy I'd rather have a beer with than this insane dude who's making the worst jokes possible and clearly ducking the fight like he clearly doesn't want anything to do with suck so it's it's insane um i will when they announced that i did play devil's advocate with luke and i agree with you if it happened it would be just a bizarre crossover have to see it the whole world would stop i guess dana's shame level of lusting after this was only compared in terms of his like, I will get Habib to get out of

retirement watch. And then, you know, 18 dinners later, Habib's like, no, I promised my late father, leave me alone. I want to go get fat. Right. So it's like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm too deep in the, in the anti Dana weeds this year because he's made me, maybe that's what happened. Okay. Yeah, no, this is, this year because he's made me, maybe that's what happened. Okay. Yeah, no, this is, this is not even close to the worst things Dana's done in a while. This is, this is fine. Like I, I totally understand and can even appreciate this one. So there's this thing in pro wrestling fandom sometimes Jed, where, you know, there can

be short lived factions in pro wrestling, like, you know, know duos or whatever or slogans that get popular and they make a t-shirt about it where you could say as a fan hey that's the lamest shit i've ever seen but i better buy that t-shirt now because in five years it'll be hilarious to roll that out right like zufa boxing t-shirt for example is there any part of you that's like you know i might secretly pick up one of those zuck versus musk at the ufc shop just so 10 years from now at like you know growing out with my boys i can pop everybody no no no i will do everything in my power not to give either of those gentlemen any of my dollars uh or contribute in any way to their they're reading your emails right now just so you know oh and that's fine um look they i'm sure they have a

lot of dirt on me and that's okay i will if this thing ever did happen which it won't i don't it's it's not real it is extremely false if by a miracle it happened i would campaign heavily to attend as a media member and and to cover it live because why not why not be part of the circus the circus is fun sometimes uh even if it's really really stupid which is what this would be it's hard for me to get all uppity and be mad because I like a lot of circus in my combat. But this is this is extreme. But, hey, yeah, 52 year old my combat, 52 year old, the Elon who I mean, is Twitter really called X? I don't know what's happening in the world anymore.

Let's move on. But Zuck is pretty fit. And speaking of being fit, dude musk is afraid of him and he's calling him a chicken it's incredible he's like this is incredible yeah it's lame before we get to know jed a little bit better here talking about zuck's fit bod how about we talk about our sponsor fit bod yes all right here's what i'm going to tell you a segue it's so perfect this summer all right do you want to transform how you work out? I already told you how you can change your skin, but if you're a wash POS like myself, who's really been committing to that 20 minutes a day with the

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I mean, Jed, how old are you? Mediums. How old are you? I mean, you're not at 35. Okay.

So you're still in the game right still in the game out there uh i respect whoever wrote that copy because they're clearly a young person that was also part about yeah oh well then did you never do the map quest because you didn't ever print out a map in directions yeah because i absolutely did that all right uh further ado, we know Jed is not quite washed. But what else do we know about Jed? Hey, if you're new to this guy, like I recently was. Welcome to the party, pal. Yeah, it's time to play Getting to Know Jed Mishu II.

There it is right there. Look at that quick graphic that they worked up right there jed similar to what luke has done with abram lately filling in for me on vacation i've got seven power packed questions here for our mk award-winning listeners to find out more about your degenerate ass are you ready i don't know but uh let's do it okay topic number question number one jed your aforementioned linkedin page says you have get this jed all right you actually apparently you did get this a doctorate in law from georgia state university holy shit dude i'm a college dropout oh my god so here's my question jed congratulations first of all didn't see this

coming why the hell are you covering cage fighting for a living dude uh it's funny you say that i sometimes have that exact thought when things get real dumb and you're doing like you're deep into covering a bellator card when it's been a thousand decisions and you're like, I could be an attorney right now. Why did I make this choice with my life? The answer is because being an attorney largely sucks. If anyone out there is watching this and is an attorney, I bet they agree with me because most of the attorneys I either went to law school with or I know outside of it are like, just a lot of the job is really trash. My personal experience of it was the only fulfilling work paid like shit because you're doing public defense or whatever, which is extremely stressful and pays like shit. But at least you're doing something that feels meaningful.

Or all the things that pay really well are morally questionable, to say the least. So I bounced pretty quickly into my law career. I was like, this just isn't for me. Let's find something else. But, dude, you say the least. So I bounced pretty quickly into my law career. I was like, this just isn't for me. Let's find something else. But dude, you did the work. You got a doc. You're a doctor. You're Dr. Jed Meshew. Number two. That's true. Technically, that is true. Yes, I do have a doctorate. I can go around. Most attorneys do not do so. But this is the same conversation I had with Luke Thomas when he revealed to me that he was formerly a Washington, D.C. speechwriter for some of the most famous politicians over the last 20 years. I'm like, why are you covering Bellator from South Dakota then? Congratulations, Jed. I

mean, you've turned this into a very viable career. You're a fulltime writer, a heck of a podcaster. But if I should step outside of the law, can you defend me? Not now. I can't. I let my bar by bar passage lapse because I wasn't going to use it. I mean, I could get it back if you like really needed me to, I guess. But yeah, let's see what happens with this. You want me making your case? Let's see if I end up getting fired for something I said. Were you on the defense or were you for the good guys? Where were you? I largely did plaintiff work.

Okay. Interesting stuff there. Question number two on getting to know Jed, which fight is most responsible for igniting your MMA fandom? Ooh, that's a really good question so i've been an mma fan for a very long time uh i first got introduced to it pre uh like 2002 2003 uh when i was in high school uh just making that transition up from middle school to high school but i wasn't like deeply ingrained in the sport i just kind of would see some fights every now and again.

I think the, it's very, very stupid. The first season of tough, like did a lot to sort of make that more accessible. I think the first fight that I really watched and was like, this is very, very dumb,

but I'm now, I'm now all in was it's either fatal versus Zulu zeno because that was just hilarious and and i watched that clip like a billion times uh i think the first pay-per-view that was ever like a really big one was uh matt hughes frank trig 2 um i watched that paper was that the slam the running slam or was that the first one i mean they were both the both the same, but yeah. Yeah. The running slam finished. Like that was, I think that was the first pay-per-view I ever watched with like some friends and was like, oh, this is very, very cool. And then I started to do the forum thing a little bit, you know, being an internet kid.

And then when Fedor beat Zulu Zinu, I was like, this rules. This is, this is it for me. I'm here now. I didn't expect fate or Zulu Zinu, but everybody does have a entry point. I watched early UFCs on black box, pay-per-view the first four or five, like a lot of people. And I was in and out on fandom.

I mean, I watched like, remember when UFC would be on best damn sports show a lot. They like shamrock on there and Kutcher. I was watching in andN-Out then but it was really the Chuck Liddell getting knocked out by Rampage was the fight that

brought me back on like a deep level because I was working at ESPN and that was the first time they took it seriously that they were like there's something in this sport you know what I'm saying that was the first fight that I probably spent was the first fight that i probably spent like the most time thinking about as them doing them doing that rematch and like it

was so built up and i was like i really don't know who to pick chuck has looked so good but like rampage already has the win blah blah blah and then it was over very very quickly and i was like oh i'm an idiot yeah chuck was on the cover of esp in the magazine at that point which was like a really big deal for cage fighting there you go indeed uh not quite roger huerta on sports illustrated but question number three jed mishu what is your alcohol drink of choice oh this is easy um i am from the south i was born and raised in the south uh i've functionally lived in the south my entire life except for a brief period where i lived in vegas doing the gambling thing uh give me bourbon and my we can start there and then my

mixer is going to either be ginger ale or sweet tea you can do it neat but if i'm if i'm having several i will need a mixer i'm not that manly that's very south of you i like that i like extremely southern there it is all right uh bour uh as sweet tea is the drink of the gods as far as i'm concerned yeah i don't think i've ever had that i'm not a bourbon guy you know i mean i gotta it'll change your life bc next time you come to the a i'll introduce you you'll never go back i'm also a wild turkey is my casual bourbon of choice for those wondering all right there you there you go. You can buy, all you single ladies can buy, or single men, depending on your lean, Jed can buy you a drink when they see you out.

Thank you. Question number four, getting to know Jed better. As a former pre-established professional gambler living in Las Vegas, what was your most degenerate rock bottom moment? My most rock bottom moment was earlier this year uh i don't know if you were aware of this bc um valentina shivchenko been a pretty big supporter of her and uh against tyla santos i very boldly put my entire gambling bankroll on her and that was a sweat it was a big

big sweat and then i was like you know what alexa grasso she can't win this fight there's just nothing i've seen her do has led me to believe that she could win this fight we ran it back and um oh boy you lost it all dude you lost it all lost lost the entire gambling bankroll which wasn't fun is that more than a month's rent it's more than a month's rent it's certainly more than a month's rent um you know i'm not destitute because i'm not i'm smart enough not to gamble with money i don't have to lose yes but uh there's a clip running around in the internet somewheres of me it was i was i was on the mma fighting watch party for that fight with the esteemed mike heck and connor Burks and we

watched it live so you can see a live reaction to a man losing a substantial sum of his money. So was it the opposite of watching Robbie Fox celebrate Conor beating Donald Cerrone from ringside with his laptop cam?

It was the opposite of that, right? It probably wasn't like the worst moment of my life because there are more important things that have happened out there but like it wasn't a good one it's pretty bad that's not a good one yeah we we we got we had to recover um but i i'm trying to approach it with a rosy outlook i might just run it back again because now my gambling bankroll is much, much smaller since I had to start over.

But that is absolutely my most DJ moment for sure. I am a very limited gambler, just dabbled over the years here and there. But there was a point in my gross years in my early 20s where I was like, you know what? If I don't come up with some type of cash, I'm going to have to move back home and that would be shameful so i'm gonna drive an hour to foxwoods and put my entire what i've got left down on like an all or nothing roulette 50 50 type bed and oh yeah and you know what happened i drove there and i walked in and i didn't have the balls to do it and i was like okay

this is good this is the end this is the end for me okay this is it this is it so i turned around and drove right back home oh it's very reasonable of you but the story is much better if you do it and then it comes up green uh question number five this is more of a you know question named your boy bc but i'm curious uh jed in your opinion who's the greatest strawweight in UFC history? Ooh. And I don't mean who's your favorite IG follow, you dirt hole. I don't follow any fighters on IG. It's just, it's too hard. There's a lot of them.

I think it's Yanni and J.J. I think that I feel comfortable calling Yanni and J.J. the best strawweight in UFC history. Even though Rose beat her twice and Whaley twice are you serious yeah you could make a very compelling argument for us I'm not here to say Rose is even wrong but for me

when you are one half the losing half of the worst fight in modern history that's a big point against you yeah yeah rose's rose's rematch with carlo was awful in a way that really makes me like re-evaluate her whole career um and maybe that's unfair but like you and i have had this argument about other fighters and other things i put a ton of stock in in title defenses and being at the top of the mountain.

And yeah, you wanna has done that more than anyone. I think Whaley has a chance to sort of take the reins, but I also think Tatiana Suarez is she coming and I don't know how that works out for Whaley. I got it. Rose has got some balls moving up to fight for row. It's a very

questionable move. I think she's going to do well against Faroe. She said she needs things that scare her at this point in her career Esparza apparently didn't scare her. I don't understand that Look, if that's the case then okay, maybe that's it. No, she thinks it brings out the best in her when she's not expected

necessarily to dominate as opposed to the opposite and I do understand that. We're all human yes jed we're all human okay don't talk about my ladies like this all right yeah you want some point she should have been scared that she wasn't doing anything it was gonna lose her belt to carla freaking as far as joanna is the most decorated and an absolute savage arguably my favorite fighter ever let's keep it going number six jed what was the most white trash part of your georgia upbringing let's be ever let's keep it going number six jed what was the most white trash part of your georgia upbringing let's be fair let's put all the cards on the table here because you know i i grew up eating at 7-eleven a lot you know people know this about my raccoon past

so this is an easy one i this has never come out in any of the stuff i've done over the last like seven years um but you're gonna love this piece this is gonna be your favorite piece of information ever uh for my entire uh youth until i was 17 years old i had a rat tail i want to be i want to be i had one in fourth grade dude then i cut that off all right come on i want to be extremely clear when I say I had a rat tail. We're not talking about like a rat tail. We're talking about a rat tail. I had a rat tail.

I'm from Savannah, Georgia. I swear to God, if you ask anyone relatively close to my age range from that city, if you know who Jed Mishu is, they may say no. Like, right. Like it's, it's a, it's not like small but it's not big but if you ask basically anyone relatively my age range you remember the kid with the rat tail they'll be like sure do kid played soccer with the rat tail yep it's the easiest answer in my life i've i've hidden that fact for for the last seven years you have a nickname did they call you like a lot of people called me rat tail that's a fantastic nickname because when i think rat tail i think like tough guy rat tail like lucas matisse and boxing you know like no

no you've got a dirt hole right no this was this was this was yay long maybe slightly bigger and braided i'm first of all i need a picture for the next time you appear. And second of all, I'm going to guess you were celibate during those years. Look, it didn't. I maintain strongly that it turned me into who I am today because when I was really small, I would just fight everybody who picked on me and nobody picked on me. And then you stop being five or whatever and people grow at different rates. And then you start trying to punch people who make fun of you, and you start getting your ass beat. So you can't pick fights anymore because it's no longer whoever throws the first punch wins. So then I just turned into me.

It probably wasn't the best choice that's ever been made. It just sort of happened. It just happened. And then there it was and then it finally left and you are correct bc uh upon its exit i had much more success yes you're like put me in coach i'm now ready to play yes so i from ages 18 to 20 i had an on it so i can only grow fate i still can't grow facial hair as people can see but uh from 18 to 20, the only place I can grow facial hair was on my chin. So I had a goatee that curled under like the grossest goatee.

But I was just so happy that I could finally grow something. I didn't have to shave until I was like, sorry, I didn't have to shave with shaving cream, by the way, until I was like 21. So the fact that I could actually grow something in one spot, I just let it go. And it like it it curled under like disgusting. By the way, real quick nugget. I worked at McDonald's beginning in 1995 and they had a no facial hair rule below the lip. I've told the story before how I had a date my senior year high school that was coming up.

So and I had a good goatee going. So I put a bandaid over it to make it look like I was injured so I could work. But they had this thing in the back and the first aid kit called the community razor. And if you showed up for work with a five o'clock shadow and hadn't shaved it, the manager would say, go use the community razor, which had no shaving cream and had been used before by many people. And you were, you were expected to dip it in hot water and just shave off i mean this is you know would you be surprised that when i worked at mcdonald's they still sold pizza

and i've seen pizza dropped on the floor and picked right back up and served many times i didn't know that mcdonald's ever sold pizza they did but it was wonky because it took a half hour to to end up mcdonald's yeah well then it, then it's McDonald's on top of that. Finally, number seven jet. I just found out and you and I talked about this pre-show. I had no idea and I

apologize that you didn't come onto my radar until relatively recently. Jed, I don't know if that's a me problem or you problem. I didn't know you

worked with Luke Thomas at MMA fighting. In fact, you guys did some videos together through the years. So here's my question. Which unintentionally

funny Luke Thomas character quirk is your favorite to laugh at i don't know if it's a character quirk but i'm not sure people recognize that luke is just a gigantic person and it it just throw me off every time i've been around like bigfoot silva level giganticism or what i mean not like maybe not that big but like just just a very large individual and so like you're like you're young you know whatever i was a 27 year old kid or whatever going to meet the mma fighting team and like luke thomas who i've watched for years and all this stuff and like everybody else like ariel hawani is like a little taller than average or whatever. But then you're just getting, you're like, Luke looks like three people stacked on top of each other.

And it's just very offsetting given because the rest of the time you see his face in one of these boxes and it's like, oh. And so that feels to me that his general hatred for the South also was, was wonderful for us in our first, first meeting as I'm extremely Southern. So you can figure out by this point. And he's like, yeah, I know Georgia from Georgia. I hated Georgia. Went to high school. There was shit. He made fun of me for using the word yonder once, which was, and just his general, general

dislike of the South is also quite amusing at times. I mean, he just likes the North too, to be fair. He really only likes Washington, DC. He's disowned his home nation of India. I mean, he's really just, yeah. Yeah. All right. I've never been to India, so I can't say whether that's a good or a bad choice for him.

DC is lovely to his credit. It is. Actually, I finally was able to visit it at length on vacation with my family last year. And yeah, and then we've covered a Gervonta Davis fight there earlier this year. It's wonderful. I love it.

My favorite slash hate Luke character quirk is, I don't know if you know this about him, but on the road, he orders sometimes three full meals at once. Waits an hour for it to get cold because, quote, that's the way I like it. And then we'll pick at like one of the meals and then throw all three away. What? All the time. He does this all the time.

What kind of meals? Like, is he eating cold fries? Yes. Yes. Like, he'll get. He'll get. That's an actual psychopath move like that's serial killer now people know i love luke but i'm not afraid to call out his missteps publicly and but uh yeah that's it that's a big one okay like cold pizza we can okay cold pizza's all right cold french fries you're you know unacceptable it's

not socially acceptable behavior that doesn't reheat it's worse than fish i mean come on you know yeah it's wow that's where i'm i'm sad to know that now i think less of luke so i had a good time in quebec uh visit i by the way i drove through the the towns where my great-grandparents were from people forget jed that i'm 50 french canadian people forget that often because they think i joke about my nationality, but I was shocked at how much I felt like at home in Quebec. Like I felt like I belonged. I am shocked that you're French Canadian. Even with the language barrier, I felt like people liked me. They welcomed me. I felt like I belonged until I had like this mild case of food poisoning and all the sugar and sauces basically turned me into a black liver

piece of crap. The first four days I was like, this is where I belong. Do you think I should challenge Ariel to like a Quebec off and almost a reverse racism DDP Izzy type thing? Whereas he's like, do the 28 and me thing. Who's the real Mr. Quebec. I'm willing to do that. I'm not going to do the Schmo challenge to a basketball game thing, although I think I could house Ariel there. But do you think I could I could be the real Mr. Quebec? Well, look, I'm sure the Quebec is not it's not a monolith, right? You've got Montreal and the city folk and and the sort of, you know, higher end people who can, you know, talk to talk to other people and engage with them socially. And, you know, I've watched Letterkenny.

I know about the Canadian Roughnecks and just dudes out there being real low, low bottom like you. So it's just different kinds of Quebec. I don't know. I don't know enough to know who would win in a Quebec off. But until you're rocking like an expo hat, you're probably at least the underdog. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. Remember when Ariel forgot he was a Knicks fan when the Raptors won the championship

and he was like parading around on there? You know, I remember Ariel. I remember that, though. But shout out to Ariel. Just the same. Let's close with this. Jed, it's your debut here. So you got to you got to sit in and do the Luke thing.

What I did when I got home from vacation last night from visiting the beautiful Lauritian Mountains, I think you pronounce that there outside of Montreal and Quebec. I scoured the globe, Jed, to find the highs and lows, the good, the bad, the ugly and the in-between in combat sports. Some people call this BC's feces. I call this. Have you seen this shit? So this is the most exciting part. Oh, God. Oh. Oh. Jed, let's see if you saw any of this shit so this is the most exciting part oh god oh oh jeb let's see if you saw any of this

shit number one here's where we start bkfc in albuquerque no i'm not going to show you videos of some famous tiktoker that my kids got all excited about getting into a fight what's that guy's name by the way uh bryce hall it was trash all right absolutely trash i had to watch it it's trash i'm here to celebrate this man john dodson who captured the inaugural bkfc featherweight championship with a first round tko of jr ridge jed from the very beginning dodson looks like he belongs in this decrepit sport dude he found it like i'm so happy for john dothan because he was so much fun in mma like he came the closest to beating dj uh sort of at the peak of dj's powers no no come on that was uh that was uh didn't mccall fight him to like a split decision oh i guess that's true but uh that

they went to they should have gone to a draw um But yeah, I mean, Dotson dropped DJ several times. Like he's, he's just always been an electric, really fun fighter. And this seems to match up super well for his skillset. That fight was kind of garbage. He should have won like way earlier than he did. The, the referee stopped it because he pushed the dude down, but he didn't really push him down. It sort of just happened after he punched him in the eye. And then then homie got like five minutes to recover from being punched in the eye which is

legal it was a super weird thing and then it didn't matter because john dodson rules so super happy for him him versus john lineker and bare knuckle uh would would be my nirvana and like just be the best thing that's ever happened in combat sports but until then i'm happy to just keep watching him do this because it it rules yeah he has embraced it and he's got quick hands and he gets after it man it's really it's it's fun to see him just like mike perry who just resigned by the way with bkfc they sent out a press release probably to life-changing money once again it's it's good to see people because there's a lot of people that use bkfc as the last stop on the combat highway.

And that's when it gets really sad. These are people who are thriving. They're thriving here. I'm down with that. You know, the same thing with Lorenzo. What's the guy? There's been a few of these Lorenzo Hunt. Is that what I'm talking about?

There's been a few of these guys who have been Hector Lombard said some big ones with what we needed. And what I'm the saddest thing that's happened in MMA this month is that Derek Lewis resigned withsigned with the UFC because Derek Lewis and BKFC was all I ever wanted in my life. And I know you would have loved that too, BC. Like who, who didn't want to see that? And now we'll never get it. And that's a shame. Speaking of Dotson, talk about this celebratory,

celebratory backflip and dance after getting the win. It was good to see him so happy. Look at that athleticism right there. He's like a human emoji. A magician. Yeah. Man, him and Andre Olowski's deep and abiding friendship back in the day was awesome because they're just the most different human beings possible, both physically and emotionally.

He's great. I love John Dotson. I'm very happy for everything that went down this past weekend. I'm sure you remember when Mike Goldberg famously said, so you want to be an ultimate fighter, Jed? So you want to be a BKFC fighter? Here's how it usually looks for people. Oh no, not at all. Straight up, if you told me, BC, out of context, if you just told me that that is the villain, not the big bad villain, but the mid mid tier villain for some like new horror franchise, I would buy it.

Like if you blocked out the people behind in the box and it was like, yeah, that's just that's the person who's doing a cannibalism in the woods or whatever on on this group of sidetracked hikers. Yeah. Remember the landlord in Kingpin who did that gross thing? It's kind of giving me those vibes. But if anybody would have dated you with that rat tail.

Awkward pause. Awkward pause. No. Awkward pause. No. Hard pass. Let's keep it going. UFC Vegas from the Apex. Bantamweight Daman Blackshear made his UFC debut and became the third person in company history to lock up a twister sub here on Jose Johnson.

Your thoughts. Twisters are always weird. Cause I feel like they shouldn't happen. Um, this one was cool and like it, it felt natural. Um, good for Devon Blackshear.

Right. And dude, dude was fighting it the whole way and trying really hard. Uh, that just looks like it sucks so hard. BC. i've never been put in a twister nah i don't ever want to be put in a twister i mean i've consensually been in a few of these but you know that's another story right there hey you know who's making noise in on the ufc undercards lately debuting females from brazil we've seen some big wins how about luana santos getting in here against juliana

killer miller and needing just a couple minutes to absolutely i mean i don't know if we have highlights of the actual uh punches thrown or just the celebration i don't know if you saw this i'm a big killer miller fan she's got spunk she's got charisma but these are two straight devastating defeats this one didn't last long yeah she is really good at getting knocked out um like the the because she's like long and rangy and she doesn't like cover up and do the like she's just gonna fire them back and the whole time she's out there throwing punches fecklessly like absolutely uselessly just trying to return fire and getting lit up so it makes this really gorgeous finishing combo from santos and i feel really bad for juliana she won tough bc she did an ultimate

fighter winner and they are having her get bashed on the curtain jerker of the worst card of the year like man went in tough ain't what it used to be no and she's got she's lost three of her last four overall including that loss to a comebacking veronica hardy last time and uh we didn't have i sent the wrong video in but she got pieced up to end it right there uh somebody else got pieced up jp bays it was bannon weight marcus the maniac mcgee face first there one one punch thriller here in round one yikes i love love the walk-off and the the gentlemanly walk-off of this dude fell down and i don't even like i could i could i could hammer him out i don't know if we're gonna have uh khalil roundtree's finish coming up here later

no we won't we will khalil roundtree did not take this very generous step back that the mckee did here so good for him. JP Bay's been getting God a lot. Yeah. He doesn't need the extra brain damage. JP Bay's improves to Owen for in the UFC. He's not going to be the first real African champion, although he's from South Africa,

but is this loss more hurtful than Roman delete Zay and Cheyenne Bay's a blissmas crossing? I mean, it's pretty bad. Yeah. It's pretty bad. then Roman Deleuze and Cheyenne Bays. Blissmas. I mean, it's pretty bad. Yeah. It's pretty bad. I don't know. I mean, she fled the country to get out of their marriage. I don't know.

I'm not speaking of other people's businesses, okay? But it's a tough break for JP. It's pretty bad. Yeah. He's having a rough go, I think. He is. Hey, baby on the way, though, for Cheyenne, you know? Silver lining in every crowd I guess BC way to be positive let's go to Omaha hey Terrence Crawford came for the victory parade the city

showed out but the biggest highlight for me as as Terrence drove around with friend of his program Shakur Stevenson was Terrence showing up in the fisherman's outfit with the giant dude. He is leaning into this big fish thing. So hilariously. I don't know if you saw him on like national news shows. He's making the rounds all over. Dude, this was awesome to see. I mean,

what an outfit. I have not seen this shit. Just what a vibe. Terrence Crawford live in his best life right now is it's just so much fun to watch. Like there's not a dude who deserves it more. And he now gets to just do this. Like, and hell, if I had that physique, I would, I would always wear an open vest. I would never be wearing clothes. Just, just the open vest. Let it all fall on, you know, let everybody know. Dude. I love that fishnet thing. I mean, that is just, you know, as I dude i love that fishnet thing i mean that is just you know as

i said that probably the probably the greatest boxing victory involving fishnets since oscar but i don't know if you can call that a win indeed um let's keep it going here wow that was a real reach pc we're around in fact actually uh let's go over to this Everton, your food of the week, Jed Everton FC over there in Liverpool is now selling the Rocco Sofretti dog. Your thoughts? Yeah. Look at that. Look at the unit on that guy. Wow.

Yeah. So that's so much better than I thought it was going to be because all of the like food things are always terrible. You're like, you expect it. Yeah. Yeah. I that's that is a lot of meat to bun ratio right there that is that is that is interesting right there how do you eat that in a group of of your male friends without getting made fun of you don't i don't think you can do you know i hold i still hold

the yankee stadium record for having consumed eight consecutive hot dogs at the stand outside before entering a 2001 royals yankees game in which i sat in the extreme upper deck and grossed out the four women that were part of my party that record will not be broken eight dogs is so many while waiting in line i i i emptied my pockets of cash and consumed eight consecutive and there's people that still talk about that okay what's incredible about this i have recently there's like a tiktok thing that goes around um like the would you rathers or whatever i've recently had a debate with my friends about would you rather uh like live your life normally or get a million dollars a year but you have to eat six hot dogs every day and

apparently that's just a tuesday UPC. It used to be. It used to be until I found the black liver. Hey, let's go to Target Center, Minneapolis. There was a Zach Bryan concert. Guess who showed up to sing? It's Brock Lesnar. Oh my God. Is this real?

I don't know how to process this. represent cores not not blood light represent cores cores and then you think after this he's gonna go home and get all his life all right look at brock lesnar you talking about sable yeah look at i mean dude i love everything brock lesnar does like he can even what he did to mark like he can't do wrong in my eyes he he is he's my favorite he's my favorite person not i i don't have that sort of connection to him but he makes me laugh because if brock lesnar got off the couch tomorrow he's still beating the hell out of like half of the top 15 heavyweights probably probably man dude would you think he would win the award for most juiced ufc fight ever like does he did he have the most juice in him of any fighter ever for a fight at ufc 200

no because he is also just an athletic freak so his juicing was i feel largely supplemental like he just you know wanted to get a little bit of extra dude go back what what was mark kerr and mark coleman what would go in through their veins at at the peak of the like early ufc's peak rest in peace kevin randleman like yeah dude there's no chance he is he pissed the hottest of hot. Because if you could go back in time so much. Indeed. Hey, football jersey of the week time. Let's go out to the field there. Jed, do you have this one in your closet?

Go Hokies, bro. What an incredible Virginia Tech. That's honestly a great Jersey props to that dude. I would not wear that in public personally. Would you rather wear that in public or the side of Frank Beamer's face? I can give me the Jersey. Give me the Jersey. Let's keep it going here. I got to get out of here. Friend of the program, Giovanni Marquez,

the son of showtimes raul marquez just 22 improved to 6 and 0 with this ko on saturday at overtime boxing in atlanta check out this finish i could have gone to this yeah you should have been there dude i didn't know this was happening um where's the finish i'm waiting on the finish they stopped it on the feet there but but Gio came in ripped. There's Raul getting in the ring. There's proud Papa right there. Six, you know, the 22 year old Gio, let's continue to match him up the ranks.

And there's the victory dance. You down with that? I mean, I, I couldn't do it. That looks like something for the children. Um, I'm, I'm past that. I'd blow out a knee trying to do that at this point. Uh, I'd blow out everything. If I was this guy, let's go out to the dirt bike trail. This is why I don't roller skate. This is why I don past that. I'd blow out a knee trying to do that at this point. I'd blow out everything if I was this guy.

Let's go out to the dirt bike trail. This is why I don't roller skate. This is why I don't ski. This right here. Oh, boy. Just. Oh. Okay.

Oh. In the face. Oh, dude. In the face. Dude. What a. And it's a double whammy because the first hit and then it just. Yeah.

Oh. Yeah. Yeah. All right. All of all. All of the dirt biking ones are always awful. No dirt biking accident has ever been kind to the person who happened to it. Graffiti of the

week time. Let's go out to the elevator shaft. And Jed, speaking of shaft, you know. That's so dumb and so good. right keep it going your regional mma ko of the week jed i don't know if you know about regional mma but anything can happen let's go to your stoppage of the week oh boy oh holy took his Awesome. Took his soul right there. Damn. Yo.

That's one of the most aesthetically pleasing knockouts I've actually ever seen in combat sports. That is incredible. Who is that? Do we know who did that? We don't know. They threw a pillow in the cage, I'm being told by Gaff. Yeah, he needs it. That may have taken a long nap.

No doubt. Jed, I don't know if you know this but we got a power slap mobile video game let's check the videotape on this you can ios this bullshit anytime you want oh wow that's great i'm not gonna play it because why would i what possible game mechanics can be fun here like i don't uh carnage maybe senseless violence without defense but i don't know if you know i at least would get watching like if you just are into senseless carnage okay watch watch powerslap like more power to you why would i want to play a mobile game where i'm just gonna tap this button this one button because it's not like there there's a combination of buttons to it

i don't get it yeah indeed well dana who often tells us how big power slap is in india would like you to know that this is the biggest video game in the world let's listen in we launched our video game uh mobile app video game we're number one in all of sports we're number four in all the video games so when you look at the power that that game is going to have, too, on the athletes and recruiting and getting new people to come in, the video games, we're number one in all of sports. We launched it today. We're number four in all of video games. We're beating like FIFA and Call of Duty and games like that. So.

They say, don't believe everything dana says bloody elbows antoine anton laboina did the research shortly after dana said this and it turns out quick fact check slap did not beat call of duty which was top five on all free games it's not even in the top 200 and in sports it didn't beat fifa which was number. And it's not number one slap at the time of this on August 10th was currently number 111 shortly after Dana made those comments. So, you know, Jed, power slap social media is bigger than every sport combined. But you can't believe everything Dana tells you. And finally, to close, maybe I'm wrong and i love this guy but jed is mike perry taking this two percent black thing too far

guy looks like c thomas howell and soul man right now but uh luckily what we're celebrating here is the greatest bromance of all time him and you all Romero coming out of the dead sea. So let me see it. I mean, that's really cool. I would love to go to the dead sea. And I'll just love to hang out with you. Romero.

That would just be electric. Be a fly on the wall with these two bro. And out with, despite the language barrier, you imagine the conversations. He's so good. Yoel in his semi broken English and Mike Perry in his semi-brokening. Just can't even imagine what these two dudes are talking about. It would be the best. I would love

that more than almost anything else. That's the shit of the week. I got to bounce. So why don't I tell you this? Thank you, Jed Mishu II for jumping in today in this mk slot luke thomas on vacation throughout the rest of the week we'll have plenty of special guests but jed it was a it was a tremendously fun debut here i had a great time thanks for having me guys and um let me know whenever the fighters only awards are going if i'll sit at the table with y'all we can all you know mk family go up together and win is it back to back to back best best mma programming is this would be the third and fourth this would be the third if we win our fans have to get out there and vote if they want to but i'll shout out below the links when i'm up there because that

show's great even if i don't know the name of it okay you do what one of these years one of these years my case huge mike heck listen up between the links they're correcting me there in the in the live chat long i won't thank you between the links. They're correcting me there in the live chat. Thank you. Between the links starring Mike Hec and the incomparable voice of Esther Lin and E.K. C. Leiden on the production there. Jed Mishu, thank you. Thank you to the listeners for tuning in. Be back this week to set the stage for Boston, of course, UFC pay-per-view this weekend and so much more.

Jed, we already showed your social handles below. Anything you want to plug on the way out. And just to remind you, I'm married. Oh, well, I would have loved to plug you,

but I guess that's out of the case. Uh, MMA fighting.com. It's a great website. Make sure you check it out. Most of my stuff's there. That's all I need. All right.

I'll come back anytime. Be happy to fill in for Luke. Uh, when he's off to Who takes vacations anymore? Apparently we do every month and the fans are really upset at us. But you know what I mean? For me, I got to keep the family happy. Happy wife, happy life, Jed.

Okay, one day. One day. Right? All right. Thank you. I had a late start to the game with the rat tail. So a couple more years and we'll get there. Indeed.

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They ain't never loyal, bro.