MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - UFC Vegas 83 Recap | Haney Outclasses Prograis | Dvalishvili-Cejudo | Morning Kombat Ep 526

Episode Date: December 12, 2023

On Episode 526 of Morning Kombat Luke Thomas and Brian Campbell react to the weekend of fights. The boys start off by breaking down Song Yadong's win over Chris Gutierrez. Who Should Song fight next? ...Khalil Rountree stopped Anthony Smith, Should he get a top 5 opponent? Who else stood out from UFC Vegas 83? Next up the guys break down Devin Haney's win over Regis Prograis. Who is next for Haney? As always they close out Monday's with Dm's from Donks and HYSTS. (00:00:00) - Intro (00:16:20) - Yadong vs. Gutierrez (00:34:30) - Rountree TKO's Smith (00:49:50) - Rest of UFC Vegas 83 (01:04:00) - Haney vs. Prograis (01:26:00) - Dvalishvili vs. Cejudo (01:53:00) - Dm's from Donks (02:03:20) - HYSTS Morning Kombat is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts.     For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:27 That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell. This is Morning Combat. Hey, it's the 11th of December and we're here to have sex. It's Morning Combat. Hi, everybody. It's just the stupidest show on earth. What are you doing, everybody? How are you doing? Welcome, welcome, welcome to this episode of Morning Combat. Hi, everybody. It's just the stupidest show on earth. What are you doing,
Starting point is 00:00:45 everybody? How are you doing? Welcome, welcome, welcome to this episode of Morning Combat, whatever fucking episode number it is. I don't even know. Hi there. I am merely one half of your host and duo. My name is Luke Thomas. I join you from the capital of the status unitas right here in Washington, D.C., joined by the king of CT dot dot E. It's my friend and yours. It's Brian Campbell. What's up, B-Sizzle? Well, Luke, I got a little too excited about my incredible health turn under the two-religion leadership of Jack Santa and Keith Jardim. It's like, oh, they're telling me I'm not even, why don't we go back to Luke and we'll fix it. Hey, we'll set this up while we fix BC. There you go. Couldn't have started in a worse way. That's the MK approved way. Hi everyone. Alright, so today on the show, we actually have a lot to get to. There was a bit of a fun Also, we'll talk about some of the other top players from that card,
Starting point is 00:01:48 the UFC card from the Apex on Saturday. Plus, guys, did you see Devin Haney against Regis Progre on DAZN? Oh, my God. He looked absolutely incredible. We'll talk about some of that, plus some of the other storylines floating around in the sport as well. So, hey, thumbs up on the video if you're watching it'd be so nice if you did i can hear bc just fine there he is check check do you guys got me now all right chickity check mike check how are you doing bud hey i'm
Starting point is 00:02:16 doing great luke and i miscalculated this morning because as i was trying to say i'm doing so great in my new health turn under the tutelage of my Jack Santa, Darren Robinson, my health trainer, that I decided to shave off the mustache and try to look younger today, Luke. And then my wife, you know, told me where I can find a new wife. You know what I mean? So wait, you actually you actually looked at the chin strap beard and you were like, yo, this looks excellent.
Starting point is 00:02:41 Yo, because the thing is, Luke, I feel 19 and stupid again. That I really wanted to celebrate that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I understand that. Dude, I was just saying, like, you know, the MMA side of things this weekend was fine. Nothing spectacular. Except for a couple of decent performances here and there. The boxing side of things, dude, this weekend was on fire.
Starting point is 00:03:00 It was ridiculous, was it not? Dude, Devin Haney had a had a pound for pound virtuoso performance in a new weight class that i'm sure we're going to talk about but if you guys missed top rank espn their main event roboc ramirez defending his featherweight title against like i don't know a thousand to one underdog that no one's ever heard of unbeaten rafael espinoza luke that was the upset of the year maybe the fight of the year we also got potentially you'll see this in the shit later the knockout of the year from mark moxio uh what a weekend for the for the sweet science i was here for it i enjoyed it liam paro getting a nice win over
Starting point is 00:03:37 montana love was a big one as well as i was i was i was texting you about it before dude this guy andy cruz holy Jesus, he looks incredible. DAZN put his whole fight for free on YouTube afterwards, which I thought was a smart call. It was a nice weekend. And by the way, let's remind everyone, this coming weekend, right, this Saturday is going to be the very last pay-per-view, UFC pay-per-view of the year, UFC 296. So two announcements about that.
Starting point is 00:04:04 Number one, hey, how about you, me, I'm talking to BC here, and Chuck Mendenhall, and then all of you out there, the UFC 296 pregame preview is live right now, youtube.com slash morningcombat. Go give that a look. It's the last one in the bomb shelter. So enjoy it for posterity's sake. And of course, more and more people are looking to do.
Starting point is 00:04:24 A lot of comments to the idea of just when it gets good with the deep MMA analysis Drunken BC ruins it well Luke that's what the show that's what that segment's all about right that's morning combat everybody that's what we're doing we've been doing it for four years
Starting point is 00:04:39 hey catch up everybody but in all seriousness thanks everyone who checked that out can I say something Luke real quick let me just get this out the second part of that announcement of course ufc 296 we will have a post fight show live right back here so join us bc go ahead absolutely and saturday night just the same by the way the final uh showtime boxing showtime championship boxing card in the 37 year history so don't miss that from minneapolis i think jake paul's back on friday night too in the box that's right so a lot to talk about but
Starting point is 00:05:09 real quick here we're going to mention merch in a second and we know the the great uh average joe morning combat crossover uh creations of the last six months nine months have been some of the greatest moments in mk merch history luke unfortunately our good pal, I guess our colleague and our superfan, Average Joe Art, his dog, Brutus, the king, lost a long battle with an illness. I don't know if I told you this before, but he has this dog who was blind. I think he was like 13 or 16 years old. And similar to the – what was your dog that recently passed away that you had to like essentially – Lola. Yeah, she was almost 17.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Yeah, almost 17 yeah almost 17 so he for the last couple years has been a set his entire day has been filled with carrying this dog hand feeding remember we played the the beautiful video on uh fan subs of his dog eating out of the mk bowl unfortunately brutus has passed on and i couldn't offer love and condolences out to average joe we're all in this together luke right right? Podcaster, podcastee, we all go through this. Unfortunately, your man Barbas is catching up there in age as well. I've got a couple animals that are crossing over to that next level of youth to age, and it's painful, but the time that we have with them, Luke,
Starting point is 00:06:17 is really the defining loving times of a lot of our adult lives, if you really think about it. It's a special connection between owner and animal, and Brut love you brother thank you for everything you brought to the mk family yeah well i'll tell you what uh on top of that dude i found out my dog's got some kind of disease cushing's disease um it's treatable it's treatable uh but there is no cure for it um so we're kind of hopeful that that will i mean i think he's, so I think we've probably got two to three years left, and the doctor says that he'll be able to make it with the medicine. But damn, dude, if your pet's getting old, sucks.
Starting point is 00:06:54 It's the worst. So deepest sympathies to every short. But look, that's a tough spot a lot of people get in when you have an aging animal that you love that enters into some level of disease or or you know or um setbacks physically and you have to make those decisions do you pay for the surgeries do you get to the position where you're essentially waiting on them 24 hours a day but sometimes luke the love is real these aren't these aren't just animals right they're a part of us they're a little more than that for sure
Starting point is 00:07:20 yeah so anyway deepest sympathies to him so sorry to hear that uh that's crazy speaking of merch by the way speaking of merch if i can transition here not a clean transition yes morning combat dot store you guys we talked to rj dunkel gangbang not just about whether you filthy disgusting folks have actually purchased our mk jerkins and it turns out look they are they're moving right now we have a lot of people who are into that apparently, but you guys have two more days right now, two more days, morningcombat.store to get your holiday orders in ahead of time to get delivered to your house for Christmas. Obviously special shout out to all our Kwanzaa celebrators, everyone celebrating Hanukkah right now. We wish you a lot of love or as Smokey Robinson would say, happy Chinooka. But Luke, I'm here to tell you that if you go to morningcombat.store,
Starting point is 00:08:06 get after it. We got deals, we got fresh holiday gifts, and you got two more days to get it in the stocking of your loved ones, so get after it. Tell RJ that BC sent you. Thank you. There you have it, morningcombat.store. If you haven't seen the Smokey Robinson thing, Smokey Robinson has the most
Starting point is 00:08:22 incredible eyes. How does he not know how to pronounce Hanukkah? I saw the video. I was like, Smokey, what are we doing here, guy? To be fair for us non-tribe members, there are multiple spellings, right, Luke? The H spelling and then the C spelling. Sometimes you see it with a C, sometimes you don't. Fair enough, but like
Starting point is 00:08:37 what was it for? I saw it on TikTok, but it was like a cameo that he had done. Cameo, yeah. He was like, happy Chinooka, and I'm like, Smokey. It's also like two or three years old. It just got republished back into circulation. But Smokey's old. Let him collect his money from his scam the same way I do at cameo.com slash Brian Campbell.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Get your holiday shout out. Your boy George Santos from New York who got expelled from Congress. Buddy, how much do you charge for a cameo? George Santos is up to 500500 a pop on these. I see a lot of our brethren in the media that are charging multiple hundreds. And if that's working for them, Luke, that's great. But I want to connect with my people. I've recently upped my price a little bit.
Starting point is 00:09:16 I think I'm about $34 right now. You can decide for yourself whether that's acceptable. But I think it's competitively priced. That's my opinion on that. All right, fair enough. If you're watching the video now, give us a thumbs up or subscribe. If you're listening on a podcast platform, do be so kind as to leave us a nice review. We also appreciate that when you do.
Starting point is 00:09:36 You can email the show, morningcombat at gmail.com. The producers will see it. Brian Campbell and I will not. So keep that in mind. And BC, we should let everyone know before we get the show started here that, you know, if you're a longtime listener of this show, you might know that the two of us consistently have been drinking AG1 for, what would you say now, three or maybe almost four years, something like that, right? Yeah, I think you would say that is correct, Luke. Why? Because it came to a point where we realized in our washed middle-aged status that we are not
Starting point is 00:10:03 always the finest conduits of our own health. We are not always the leaders in that regard. But I found the magic of the one green powder scoop every morning containing all those fine nutrients that maybe I don't always have in my system to start the day. But Luke, what I found, if I start my day the right way, the clean, fresh, subtle, tropical taste of AG1, it's filling in the gaps of all the vitamins and minerals that maybe I missed throughout the day. But more importantly, it's building that foundation of health right at the start. It tastes great. It's affordable.
Starting point is 00:10:35 I can take it on the road with me. Look, AG1 has been one of the favorite marriages I've ever entered in, Luke, along with my beautiful wife, Jen, and of course, you. But, you know, AG1, I'm allowed to get handsy all the time. You know what I'm saying, right? Yeah, okay. I want to remind folks, you might be like, hey, in this world of contamination, how safe is it to drink AG1? Well, you should know it's tested for 950 contaminants and it is NSF certified for sport.
Starting point is 00:10:59 That's the same standard USADA uses for whatever that is worth for you folks in terms of just finding out about contaminants. But more than that, it's about about digestive health it's about getting all your micronutrients it's the best way to start your day or end your day or just put it in some part there because BC you get the adaptogens you get the probiotics you get everything you need and you don't have to take a gazillion pills to get yes and it isn't just another magic scoop of nothing that brings you nowhere. AG1 is a team of doctors and scientists that have tested for 950 contaminants, have tested, Luke,
Starting point is 00:11:31 for everything you would want to make sure that what you're putting in your body is clean and fresh and doing that job. I've recommended AG1 to my parents, to my sister. Everybody's jumping in and saying, man, I just feel like I have more energy. I feel more clean to start the day. Don't take my word for it, Luke. Take the words of the thousands who have put out positive reviews, five-star reviews for AG1 to spread the word about this movement. Athletic Greens, do it now. If you want to take ownership of your health, it starts with AG1.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Try AG1 and get a free one-year supply of vitamin D3K2 and five free AG1 travel packs with your first purchase. Go to drinkag1.com slash morningcombat. That's drinkag1.com slash morningcombat. And, of course, combat with AK. BC, with that out of the way would you like to get the show started yeah just real quick luke there were i don't know if you know what's going on in ct these days but they're trying to get the delta 8s out of gas stations luke and they're making the pump providers pay really exorbitant fees to try to get it out of there so you know we i decided
Starting point is 00:12:40 to have a last uh you know a last chance party on it luke and i went to the old uh canvas what do you think about my latest creation fueled by radio heads amnesiac and uh most gas station fair a step backwards luke in the development and the growth of the art i actually kind of like this one more than most really yeah i don't love necessarily the sort of neonish color palette but yeah in terms of how everything integrates it feels a little bit more cohesive if i can be honest with you all right thank you look i'm going in the right direction where do you store these paintings because if i was your wife i would store them in the garbage well that she's trying for that transition luke but i've got you know i've got my ways i've got a few on the walls
Starting point is 00:13:29 i've got piles in the closet you know my goal luke is to eventually take classes for this art form you know that right i did not know that i'm right now i'm just i'm just throwing up on canvas right now to get my emotions out but one day okay i will say this dude like i live in an area of dc that was um super underdeveloped when i moved back here you know 20 plus years ago whatever and um so like you know to get anything like a good grocery store or to get like you know anything nice you have to go to like a different part of town but like on a whim a couple of weeks ago dude i was like i wonder if there's been just any you know redevelopment in my area and like right past where my daughter goes to school they opened up like a brand new 40,000
Starting point is 00:14:08 square foot gym i couldn't believe it so i went and joined it because i do have a home gym but it's i don't have a really place to work out inside it all has to be outdoors and right now it's really not going to work i will say this this is not some grand revelation like anyone who's like been in the gym for a while is going to know this but as someone who's like you know grew up in the 90s lifting and then the 2000s i can't believe this there are more women lifting like actual weights i don't mean like light weights or doing cardio classes which is fine i'm not like bashing i'm talking about like real weight lifting overhead pressing bench pressing squatting dead lifting i've never seen so many women doing that as i have right now and i gotta say what a wonderful change this is amazing
Starting point is 00:14:46 to see shout out to suffrage luke the future is female and um yeah everyone can get after it especially these these amazing ladies luke so i'm happy to see that just the same and i do think luke you're getting to a point in your life where you're a little bit too successful and sophisticated to be still lifting in your front yard unless your front yard was like bryce mitchell's 40 acres in that tiny little it's not no that i live i live in a residential neighborhood yeah yeah yeah i would i would probably consider you know luke maybe redoing your basement setting up a nice gym in there i don't know i mean it's just just aesthetics right i have our guest rooms our guest rooms are in the basement there's nothing i can do you know what i mean all right all right with that out of the way, let's get this party started, shall we?
Starting point is 00:15:26 Okay. So topic number one, we start with the UFC as we customarily do. So let's start with the main event from this past weekend at the Apex in Las Vegas, Nevada. Song Yedong, BC, got what I would consider to be a solid win over Chris Gutierrez. He just seemed to be a step ahead the entire time. But what we were asking before was about problem solving, was about showcasing. So the question to you to start the show is, was this the kind of showcase performance from song that you have been waiting to see?
Starting point is 00:15:58 Yes and no, Luke. And really mostly toward yes. Look, this was a complete, solid, dominant performance across the board. Shutout on all three scorecards, start to finish, right? 10-8 on one of the three scorecards in that final round. Maybe fueled by that Gutierrez mistake of pulling guard. But the fight at that point wasn't nearly as close as the announcers were sort of speculating it might be. And that's because even with the late replacement here and Gutierrez stepping up from sort of the crowded middle ground mix to the main event level and a tease of, is he ready for primetime? Is Cruz Gutierrez ready to take this opportunity and leap with it?
Starting point is 00:16:36 He wasn't, Luke, because Song Yedong is really putting his game together. You can see the maturity there. My only question on saying no into that is, how much of this fight where there's certain elements of fool's gold because Gutierrez is trying to bring his game to another level and came up empty. And did we see enough from Song Yedong with our eyes to say, okay, he's evolved past the Corey Sanhagen loss and now maybe he's ready to level his game up to that level. I'm not sure I necessarily saw that.
Starting point is 00:17:05 And that's not a disrespect to Chris Gutierrez, who was really trying to break out and have his big moment. But I saw Sonja Dogg solidly using all five tools, if you want to make a baseball reference, control and handle Gutierrez. But he didn't finish him. And I'm not necessarily sure this was, OK, let's fit him for a title. But I will say this, Luke, he's getting closer in the sports deepest division. And I don't have really anything negative to say outside of this was a right opponent to look great against over 25 minutes.
Starting point is 00:17:35 It's a tough opponent, but the right opponent. Now we need to see him back in there against that upper core elite to see what we really have. Is that too harsh, Luke? Or where are you standing? Where are you at after this performance i'm a little bit like you which is like do i think that song you don't looked bad or something no obviously not he did not look poor really in any kind of way except for one which i'm going to get to in just a second but to your point he was a step ahead i thought of gutierrez basically the entire way gut Especially late. Like you're talking about pulling guard.
Starting point is 00:18:05 It was a failed Imanari roll, which I don't know what he was thinking on that one. It didn't even remotely get close. That was a very, very strange decision to do that. And I think that this fight was the kind of, I want to say reminder. This to me seemed like the two times that Gutierrez has stepped up against a really big opponent. Frank Jaeger had a big name, but that was literally the end of his career, would be Pedro Munoz and now this one.
Starting point is 00:18:28 And he has been left wanting in both of those. To me, this was a real big... What's the word I'm looking for? This was a clear way to demonstrate that Gutierrez certainly is a talented fighter, but he's not of the upper limit of the bantamweight division. Not really close at all, I don't think. That's fair. For Song Yedong, here is my one issue, BC.
Starting point is 00:18:53 He had good cardio. We had previously talked about his patience. Some of the problem-solving I thought was pretty good, right? He was able to sort of combat the leg kicks and play that game a little bit with Gutierrez without taking a ton of damage. But there's one thing he consistently does that was really kind of interesting to me here. Dude, he doesn't, he follows his opponents.
Starting point is 00:19:14 He doesn't really cage cut, at least not for very long stretches. And in fact, when you see him take a much more concerted effort to narrow the options of escape for Gutierrez in this particular case, he had some of his best results. He was really able to corner him, get his back up against the cage, determine the way in which he was going or the direction he was going to exit, and then really make him pay for it. And I'm like, dude, where was that before? So actually I went back and I wanted to see, like, has he been doing this consistently?
Starting point is 00:19:45 Dude, he does this consistently. He follows his opponents around. Something that's interesting that was brought up to me by a pro fighter was that if you actually look at pro fight practices, especially at some of these big teams, like, I know he's at Team Alpha Male, and I don't know their particular training arrangement. I've actually never been to that gym. But, for example, you and I have been to Kill Cliff now a couple of times. Wonderful facility. They do have a cage there. They've got a ring. They've got a huge mat space. I mean, it's state of the art. But in order to do a lot of
Starting point is 00:20:13 their pro classes, they end up having to do a lot of the striking and sparring on the open mat where you can't really get that cutting development that you would more need. You would have to get that with special cage time in a more dedicated way. I don't know if that is exactly what's happening with Song. But what I can say is there is now a repeated inability or unwillingness or some kind of way you want to describe that. Where he's letting guys exit. He's now giving them center in certain cases. And he's not really applying his craft as dedicatedly as he could in a way that really makes his offense sing.
Starting point is 00:20:53 When he does that, oh my God, it's like another level that's produced. I really believe, and he's young, he's 26. Let's be very clear and understand. He's only going to go up from here, but we're going to talk about Devin Haney later, BC. Devin Haney is 25 years of age, and his ring generalship is outrageously good. And it keeps him safe, and it keeps him in the fight, dictating the terms as he wants to do that. Against Chris Gutierrez, it didn't necessarily matter.
Starting point is 00:21:24 So maybe this criticism isn't really all that warranted for this particular occasion. But against the better guys, BC, which is where he's headed for one more time, it absolutely will matter. It will make or break any kind of performance. I think we need to be honest about some of the things that are lagging.
Starting point is 00:21:42 That, to me, stands out pretty considerably. Yeah, I would agree with that. That seems to be a fair point in that. honest about some of the things that are lagging that to me stands out pretty considerably yeah i would agree with that that seems to be a fair point in that i did like his ground upon work luke when he was able to get top position but it didn't appear as if song was dealing with the same type of challenge in terms of wrestling and grappling that he succumbed to a lot of times against san hagen right and that's what you sort of need to see when he does match himself higher moving forward, correct? Yes, that's right. That's right.
Starting point is 00:22:08 And, you know, there was also, Sanhagen also does a lot more to slow a guy down. There's all kinds of tools he uses for rhythm disruption and range change and whatnot, which Gutierrez was doing his own sort of version of that at kicking distance. But Song Yedong had at least enough pressure, even if he was following to not necessarily,
Starting point is 00:22:26 uh, get the worst of it. And I know folks might be listening to this at home being like, really the fact that, you know, he, he'd looked as good as he did. And we're going to say this,
Starting point is 00:22:34 um, you know, what does it mean? I'm telling you guys against like a, against a Cheeto Vera against use, but remember he was supposed to fight Piotr Jan in this fight, dude, if you give Jan space to move like that, you will pay for it.
Starting point is 00:22:47 Look at the highlights. If you give Corey Sandhagen space to move, they're going to take advantage of it. You really, really, really have to understand constraining the physical spaces that your opponent can occupy at the highest level. It absolutely can be a make-or-break scenario. Didn't matter here here but it will in the future sure but i mean look 25 minutes pure domination main event ranked in the mid level of the top 10 of the sports deepest division and 26 years old now with two victories removed
Starting point is 00:23:21 from that last loss to san hagen things Things are looking up for Song Yedong, but Luke, it's going to come through the work in the gym and what we finally see when he steps up to a higher level. Love the knockout of Ricky Simone last fight, but now it's time to truly get into that deep end of the pool, which it's not like he doesn't want that, Luke, but now it feels time. It feels time to test that again.
Starting point is 00:23:41 All right, so then the question becomes this, BC. Who should be next for him? So Sean O'Malley is sitting at champion. He's going to fight Chito Vera, so they're off the table. Aljamain Sterling is sitting around, but it looks like he has his sights set on 145. We'll see what happens. I got the answer. If you want me to cut the line here and just tell you, Luke.
Starting point is 00:23:56 I just want to give the folks a heads up on what the numbers are, but then I'll pitch it right to you. Cejudo is sitting at four, and Murab is sitting at two. We'll talk about them later in the show. Sanhagen at four, Jan at five, and then Marlon at six. I guess it's Jan, right? Possibly, although he had a nice face-off with Conor McGregor over the weekend. That would probably go the same distance that Conor's face-off with Mike Perry did.
Starting point is 00:24:18 But I'm wondering this, okay? You mentioned Peyotre Jan at five. Could that be perfect for Song Yedong if this win yes except for this fact Luke it's very crowded at the top maybe you're going to counter this and say no because it's either a lateral or step back but after that performance Davidson Figueiredo had against Rob Font and announcing himself at Bantamweight how much would you like that fight because I'm starting to wonder if that actually is the right next fight. I hadn't thought of that one, but I got to tell you, I love that idea.
Starting point is 00:24:49 Here you have a guy in song who's got all the physical tools, but I think is still trying to figure out the best way for him to compete. Figueredo is the opposite of that. He is an experienced veteran who kind of has already seen the very, very top and is now using a lot of those tricks and obviously the overall skills he's developed to get ahead. I actually really, really love that. In fact, now as you're bringing up, they're sitting next to each other in the rankings. They're only one apart. It's either that or Jan because I don't know, or I guess he could get the winner or loser of Cejudo versus Merab. I mean, I'm not, but the winner of Merab versus
Starting point is 00:25:24 Cejudo is going to want a title shot. And not, but the winner of Marab versus Cejudo is going to want a title shot, and I think if it's Marab, they would deserve it. So maybe that, yeah, I think it's either Deveson, Figueiredo, or Jan, to be quite honest with you. Yeah, sure. And, you know, while speaking quickly of Piotr Jan, Luke, I know the guy is a badass.
Starting point is 00:25:39 I know he just wants to constantly match himself against the best, but do you think he needs a couple couple not not get well not stay busy but anything short of trying to fight current you know current or former champions in the short-term future i mean the ufc just doesn't do tune-ups man i mean i'm with you right like after the sort of string of difficulties he's experienced it would be very smart to get a bit of a softer landing to return. And I don't think Song Yedong is a soft landing for anybody. But yes, I agree with you.
Starting point is 00:26:14 That's the point of why I don't love Jan next for a rising Song Yedong. And it's this obvious fact. Peyote Jan has lost three straight fights and four of his last five dating back to the first Aljo fight, which was a DQ. I get it. And then, boy, did Yon rebound and beat Corey Sanhagen by decision in a fun fight, but a clear fight to win the interim championship. But three straight decisions. It's like, look, how much do you put on these three straight decision losses when you consider that they're literally against nothing but championship material and Aljo, Sean O'Malley and Marab. And on top of that, the first two were split decisions. Does that at all act as a sort of like, hey, B.C., S.T.F.U., Jan is still in contention for
Starting point is 00:26:57 arguably being the best band in the world because there's a lot of Jan fans out there, Luke, who are like, OK, I saw him DQQ himself I saw him lose those split decisions but I still think this guy is among the most well-rounded the best in this game is that still an accurate portrayal even for Jan super fans to say at this point yeah I think so I mean he he lost the second Sterling fired straight up he lost it straight up okay but the first one he was winning right until the disaster you can easily make the case that he beat O'Malley. So there's a couple of these you're like, it went against him when maybe it didn't deserve to.
Starting point is 00:27:34 How about this one, though, BC, as like an idea for next for song? Now, it'd be a step back in terms of the rankings, kind of thing you're sort of pointing at. But what about a fight against Dominic Cruz? Dominic Cruz sitting at 10. There's the alpha alpha male connection such as you want to milk that but more to the point a guy like Cruz is a mover we're talking about somebody in song who needs to really begin to ply his trade in a more dedicated cage-cutting way I mean look at the difference it made and folks okay here's a great example folks might be saying what difference does it really make look at how sean strickland who followed uh alex pareda got ko'd because he wasn't doing anything to constrain his movement just to push into him and then against izzy he
Starting point is 00:28:17 pushed and then cage cut and got a significantly different result yes two different fights two different fighters two different realities i get it but one i i can do we've had a million conversations with eric nixick i know for a fact that they wanted to make him cage cut in that izzy fight more than they wanted what they got i should say out of the pareda fight look at the difference that it makes it can make a huge difference along with a series of other factors what about the dominant cruise factor in terms of building his name getting him to go in a bit of a different direction and really work on that kind of a thing and then if he can show us what we're looking for push him up the food chain i'd say okay with it if the plan was to bring song yudong back to china where this fight card was supposed to originally be with song in the main event a really nice
Starting point is 00:29:02 potential showcase feature although it wasn't matched up originally to be a showcase, but still, like, let's see what we got in this young Chinese potential breakout superstar. These are the type of matchups when you bring back an aging former champion, Cruz is 38, but he is 2-1 in his last three. Yes, violently knocked out by Marlon Vera in August of last year, has not fought this calendar year. But the two decision wins just before that in 2021
Starting point is 00:29:28 over Pedro Munoz and Casey Kennedy still show you the problems that Cruz can bring. And I think, obviously, when you have a former champion and you go to a foreign land, a lot of times it can bump up the feel of the fight. Can the hometown boy get past the former king and prove himself worthy for title contention? Storyline-wise, i don't mind that story
Starting point is 00:29:45 that way of uh matchmaking but i think it would work better on foreign soil to to sort of use song to sell tickets in that regard if he's going to be back in the u.s and some co-main on a pay-per-view hey let's go figurato or let's go yawn let's get after it fair enough um any final thoughts on this one or do you want to jump to the co-main, which looks like a near execution of Roundtree holding his arm in the air, ready to just let down the hammer of Thor? Yeah, I'm not going to. Even though that won me an okay bet, and even though, Luke, we enter now entering the final week of this okay bet.
Starting point is 00:30:19 I want to talk about that final week. I don't think it should be the final week. I think we should bet the last of it. We've got Noya Inoue. We've got, hold on. We've got Noya Inoue. We've got Noya. We've got Noya Inoue fighting, who is either going to be fighter of the year or, you know, what?
Starting point is 00:30:37 You took off that other week for no particular reason. I let it slide. You want to just ignore heavyweight boxing? What week did I take off? Two weeks ago when it was just boxing. We didn't even do one do one remember that i have never said let's not do okay bet maybe mikey said it i have never said let's not do it oh maybe it was like i don't i don't remember i genuinely do not remember but we didn't do one i just love that we're entering the final it was the pfl it was the pfl week it was the pfl week i was willing i'll go deep up and down the pfl pre-week with you
Starting point is 00:31:05 then you have no problem doing the heavyweight card on the 23rd and we can do noia anyway but that's a little that's a little convenient when you're you know three four picks down why would we arbitrarily stop the fights continue if there were no fights it would be the end right but there are fights this guy's unbelievable act all year like finish strong pussy finish you're gonna pull out that sword you're gonna escalate the work do the work do the work by the way i gave you a lot of free outs this year even last week going hey dude i don't know if you want to necessarily pick haney's because i'm gonna pick them maybe you want to necessarily pick Haney's because I'm going to pick them. Maybe you want to not cancel out. I mean, you know, we can't.
Starting point is 00:31:47 How did you do it? How did you do an OK, but I did three and two. How did you do? I believe that I did three and two as well or two and three, one or the other. But some some people who understand math and I don't know if this is correct. Luke, they're telling me that I need to go. You need you would need to go four in one. I would need to go one in four for you to win next week.
Starting point is 00:32:05 And we all know that's just not going to happen, Luke. Mathematically, it's super unlikely to go, but I don't know why we're arbitrary. We skip PFL Fight Week for no reason. You need to do the heavyweight fight card, and we have to do Naoya Inoue. By the way, the Tepalos fight's a great fucking fight. I don't have to tell you that, but it's a great fight.
Starting point is 00:32:25 Wow. It's a great fight. Wow. Okay, do you want to let Mikey arbitrate this decision, or do you want to let the audience vote, Luke? I would let Mikey arbitrate. We'll let Mikey arbitrate. All right, I guess it's the end of your friendship with Mikey, but we'll see what happens here, Luke. All right, we'll see.
Starting point is 00:32:40 But all I know is this, Luke. You know, I could offer you the ultimate offer, which is, all right, I'll let this thing extend but if you lose you gotta do the concert and the project rock we're not changing the terms of the motherfucking punishment the punishment is what it is I'll do it
Starting point is 00:32:57 no no no dude how am I changing the terms when you're stopping the contest when fights continue finish the fucking continue finish the fucking year finish the fucking year the contest that's why nah nah hey nah i don't want to you got it you got you you you have a ability to be like oh well these the ufc fights are done chop chop now bitch you've been getting half of the picks you get are all the weekends bkb or this boxing fight or whatever finish the year finish this guy who goes for every curtain jerk or women's fight on the over-under.
Starting point is 00:33:28 And it worked. This guy who's like, why can't I pick a minus 1900 favorite? I don't understand why we can't do that in the rules. He's a favorite, right? Hey, it worked. I think actually that brings me to 23 and 12 with that. So that strategy has been very effective. Very effective.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Anyway, with that out of the has been very effective very effective anyway with that out of the way back to this fight look i take no pleasure in what happened to anthony smith and look let me set let me set it up let me just pitch the question to you very quickly so so here we go here we go khalil roundtree gets a third round stoppage light heavyweight division in the co-main event right all clean all fair solid win the question is this bc after the fight he gets on to the mic and you know he doesn't have a call-out rule but he was correct in saying hey the fans would love to see me fight alex potato and of course he has this history of defeating glory fighters blah blah blah bc was it enough was it enough for you to give round tree a title shot no and it's nothing against round tree this
Starting point is 00:34:28 performance or the totality of his win streak in fact i popped when round tree had that call out because he had the brazilian ready i don't know what he said but he delivered some type of respectful call out in brazilian to poiton i like this i'm sorry in portuguese what an what an absolute a-hole luke all right let me take a moment to just reset myself here well i'm still caught up in your in in the in the smell i got from you when trying to extend this okay bet a little bit you know you need some mk jerkins that's what you need that's what i need wow all right okay luke let me reset here i love the call out from roundtree speaking in Brazilian, in Portuguese to Poetan.
Starting point is 00:35:07 And on top of that, being creative and saying, look, I know that, you know, meritocrically, great word, that he knows he's probably not next. But let's get a fresh matchup. Let's get an action matchup. Love all that. The problem is, Luke, this division right now. That's the problem. And it's a fun problem, in my opinion, because Alex Pereira coming in and turning this already kind of broken, disorganized decision of hot potato titles, injuries, and really just trying to find a true identity in the post-John Jones vacate, which is now going on three years.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Pereira's win really made it fun in this sense we got Jamal Hill coming back uh following that that setback on the arrest with his assault with his brother which isn't a great look hopefully the family can rebound from that but Jamal Hill's promised a title shot when he comes back and I'm gonna say I said it before and I'll say it again I really think the UFC should look into and I hope they are for UFC 300, whether there's any possibility they can change the promises they recently made to Jamal Hill, maybe float him a loaded envelope or a milk bag filled with cash that we're not going to put on the books, John S. Nash, and maybe, just maybe, do Izzy versus Poetan 5 for the light heavyweight title. Sometimes you
Starting point is 00:36:21 get that opportunity for big business and you can't miss it but even if they choose to miss it luke jamal hill is now overdue per the company's promises to him you do have risers eventually ankle lives got to get another title shot eventually luke i know there's a dq there's a draw there's a lot of bs in there rackets trying to come on i just i just to go for number 11 round tree with a great knockout here, five in a row, and to cut a line when it's that, it's not overly crowded at the top, but there's a couple potential scenarios where people are either due, or like I said, an
Starting point is 00:36:54 Izzy matchup is just different. Sometimes you gotta make those type of matchups that are just different. But Luke, this shouldn't take away from what Roundtree accomplished. And in this performance against an Anthony Smith, who at the very least, Luke, even though i did predict the same outcome here really came focused and intense and ready to try his best to expose or make it difficult for round tree but everything round tree landed from the counter striking stance was heavy was brutal and just constantly you know
Starting point is 00:37:23 pushed smith uh closer to the finish, which we saw in that third round. I love the stamina that Rountree showed. Everything about this was mature. So even if the call-out, even if reaching for the stars isn't ultimately the answer, Luke, I'd like to see him rest on the cloud of a really big fight coming off of this, because Peter Rosenberg, my old colleague, might be right. We're not talking about Khalil Rountree jr enough in the overall light heavyweight title picture and the resurgence
Starting point is 00:37:49 for him in his 30s now to find this this best mode that he can get in he's consistent he's got the stamina and he has frightening power at every turn but that's an aggressive offer to cut all the way in front and fight poet on especially with jam with Jamal Hill there. It's hard. Luke, it would be hard for the promotion to do that. I agree with you, dude. I thought this was a great performance from Roundtree in a number of respects. First of all, he didn't gas at all in the third. If you look at the way in which he got the finish with the tempo chains where it's touch,
Starting point is 00:38:21 touch, hard shot, touch, touch, hard shot, and he finally got that uppercut and then the left hook to finish him off. Just really taking his time, being patient. Everyone was like, oh, he's going to have a strong first round and he's going to have to survive the third round. Didn't work that way at all. He, of course, did have a strong first round. But at the same time, he kept enough in the gas tank to give himself what he needed. He had good footwork.
Starting point is 00:38:42 He never let himself get taken down. He never let himself get overwhelmed. I i mean this was just a real i felt like when i watched this i was like man all of the lessons this guy has been trying to put together into a cohesive whole what does it look like when it when it's when it's all kind of firing it looks like that it looks like that where i mean point to me any moment in the fight where you were like, oh, that was a boneheaded decision. I mean, again, he might have made some better than others. You know, some worked better than others. No decision, no fight can be perfect.
Starting point is 00:39:12 But I just didn't get the sense that like, oh, some kind of fatal mistake was going to undo him here. It didn't happen at all. He really, I think, has mastered what he wants to do in the cage. He has mastered understanding the process for himself. I think his technique has really gotten very sharp. His round mastery has gotten sharp. His fight preparation has gotten sharp. Like this is, you know, it's always easy to say, oh, when a guy gets a win,
Starting point is 00:39:40 this is the best one of his career. Well, this is the best one of his career for a couple of reasons. One, it's a big name, relatively speaking, certainly. And then number two, what I'm describing previously, where it's the ingredients that make the entire process bigger than what it, more than the sum of its parts, I should say. I really thought this was such a clean performance from him, even if, you know, he had to work at certain times.
Starting point is 00:40:05 And again, nothing ever goes perfectly. So BC, these are rankings that have not been updated. Currently, Smith is sitting at eight, Rountree at 11. He'll probably jump into that number eight spot ahead of Uzdemir and Spann, which puts him right behind Walker, Krylov, and Rakic. So if it's not going to be Poetan's it going to be i'll got the answer for you and it comes down to this luke i give i get you know we get solicited for advice a lot in our own field you and i over dms and sometimes you know we jump in and and try to help a young person gain
Starting point is 00:40:37 some confidence or direction but you know a lot of the times luke i tell people that communication with your superiors is key if If you're in one job, like when I was an editor for years, but I dreamed of one day being a writer and, you know, turned into eventually talent and podcasting and broadcast and all that. Congratulations to me. But the whole point, I learned the hard way over my time at ESPN that if you are not telling people your goals, if you are not educating them on where you see yourself, no one's going to magically wake up one day and go oh you know bc he'd probably be pretty good in that really expensive role over there so for that i love that roundtree comes out and doesn't do the
Starting point is 00:41:13 typical ufc fighter thing and say you know what even though i'm ranked really high and i'm rising i'll fight whoever the company tells me to fight in fact if they want me to fight next week i'll fight i hate that shit luke if especially if you're angling toward being a championship fighter because you're just punting on the business and leverage side completely. So in this case, I love that Rountree almost overshot his load in hopes that maybe the in-between could be nice. So how about this for an in-between? How about this for a reward? Here's the problem ultimately with Rountree's huge call out and trying to jump is that he's had 15 UFC fights. He's never been past the third round. I think he really needs that main event fight against a tougher opponent where he's reaching so we can
Starting point is 00:41:54 really see who he is. How about this? Alexander Rakic just lost the Blachowicz fight. How about number five Rakic against a rising Rountree in a five round main event where that fight gives us the real true answers of whether that call out from round tree is backed by something because even though he's on a respectable five a very respectable five fight win streak one of the most quiet larger win streaks and boy is his knockout numbers and light weight heavyweight divisional history climbing the best name of this win streak might actually be Anthony Smith. And even though Anthony Smith was a veteran, he was tough out there,
Starting point is 00:42:30 this is not the best version of Anthony Smith. This might be the end for Anthony Smith. So I do need to see that one more critically ranked top five-ish guy who's still in that title picture. You beat that guy, you beat a rack at you in a five-round main event, you show us exactly who you are. I like that idea, you beat a Rakic in a five-round main event, you show us exactly who you are. I like that idea except for one thing.
Starting point is 00:42:48 Roundtree afterwards was saying he's never secured a takedown in his UFC career and never even attempted one. I double-checked that with Fightmetric. That is true. He's never even attempted a takedown in all of his career. He's obviously been taken down a few times and defended a bunch as well. He's got about a 50% takedown rate, a takedown defensive rate, BC. Rakic is going to take him down. Rakic is going to, or at least try to, right, at a bare minimum.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Are we sure we want to go that direction? Because, I mean, I realize that Roundtree doesn't have the kickboxing pedigree that a Poiton did, who kind of got that, like, matchmaking that served his interest in that particular way, where he didn't have to face the most sturdy takedown threat is there no one else he could fight that would be or rather i should say this should he get more favorable matchmaking for fighting in a more fan-friendly style i mean here's the deal luke to me if you're trying to be a true title contender then you got to go the hard way against opposite styles that bring out your weaknesses. I don't think you can match yourself
Starting point is 00:43:50 to the title in favorable matchmaking unless you have that other part. That other part is sometimes can't miss marketing that you end up getting opportunities faster than your ability dictates. And the other part of that sometimes is what you said about Poiton having the history without Asana where he was able to really make quick leaps across two divisions but he had to be really tough people to do that he had to be Sean Strickland who's currently the middleweight champion right he had to be Jan Blachowicz who was the former champion in a close fight and he had to do it the hard way knowing that people could take him down and try to expose his vulnerability no if i if round tree is going to get to the title level i almost want to go above and beyond and force him at a
Starting point is 00:44:30 wrestler to make him earn it that way luke because i don't think he necessarily has despite a great story and a fun style some of those other can't miss marketing elements where promoter goes all right let's fast track this guy because i don't know if he has that because what he does have though is a escalating fun streak right now and he's showing us that he's putting the entire game together let's keep this going this is fun to watch but you're not going to get poets on it so then it brings us to a question of like what should be next for anthony smith bc i will tell I will tell you, there's no secret here. I've been a longtime admirer of his game. But there's a problem that's happening here,
Starting point is 00:45:09 as far as I can tell, BC. So for example, if we go back to John Jones, 2019, he loses that fight. He beats Gustafson and then gets back to fight Glover Teixeira and Alexander Rakic. These are basically top five, at worst, top 10 guys. He goes on a run. He beats Devin Clark. He finishes him. He beats Jimmy Crute. He finishes him, or he had an injury anyway,
Starting point is 00:45:30 and then he beats Ryan Spann, and he finishes him. Then he loses to Ankaliev, and he has an injury, so okay, whatever. Then he loses to Walker. Okay, that was not a great one. Beats Spann barely in a rematch, and then loses to Rountree. Now, I want to be clear. I don't think we just said Roundtree is really coming into his own here at age 33. This is amazing what he's done. But currently, as it stands, he lost to an 11th-ranked fighter. So now he is technically losing to guys outside of the top 10. In fact, he might lose his top 10 positioning based on how the rankings come out today or tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:46:04 That is new for him at 205 pounds. I don't know where exactly all the guys were when they were ranked, but he's lost three of his last four. He's age 35, and I believe he's now losing to guys outside of the top 10. For those reasons, BC, again, we come to these forks in the road where, like, what's the right answer to say? And know again Anthony Smith is his own man he's going to make his own decisions I will just say this as someone who has really admired the way in which he has conducted himself and and how his career has gone especially given the way that it started inauspiciously and he
Starting point is 00:46:41 really turned it around and became something pretty special um i don't necessarily need to see a whole lot more you know i don't know what he wants for himself i don't know what he is envisioning as an appropriate exit and i don't know what that looks like or what the terms of his deal is with the ufc but what i can say is i personally feel like he's done incredibly good work he's starting get, he's starting not just to lose a lot more BC, but the injuries are really starting to pile up, which does make me nervous for his quality of life going forward. I would be totally happy if he decided today that I've done so much great work in the sport and I'm done because I would agree.
Starting point is 00:47:19 I think continuing to me, and this is just my opinion, to me carries some risks that make me a little bit uncomfortable i fully agree if he did not have this burgeoning broadcasting career to go with this it might be a different conversation for a guy who's only 35 at 205 pounds and who i think has shown you know he can still beat that second level in this division but what can you do with that right some guys have to linger and use what's left because, you know, maybe they're just addicted to the martial arts and they love it, or maybe, look, this is their retirement. This is their way to put away money.
Starting point is 00:47:54 If Smith has this broadcasting career, which seems promising, and it does, Luke, he's very good. He has 56 pro fights. There's different mileage here. He's got 19 pro defeats. Even in wins in recent years against nothing but killers, he takes big damage. I echo you in that regard, where it helps to say this about someone I do like a lot and care about after meeting him. I would like him to step away just the same. I think he's shown us everything he's capable of, and it's been incredible. And even in defeats against great names, he's always, always been willing to pour it all out and go through whatever it takes to get his hand raised. In fact, he brought that
Starting point is 00:48:34 all the way to the title level against Jon Jones. And oh, by the way, did have a window where he could have leaned into a DQ loss and become heavyweight light heavyweight champion which i always applauded him for not doing it in that instance because of the circumstances so anthony smith i can't speak to your finances but i love where you're going as a broadcaster and podcaster and you've given all it's been a fantastic career if this is the end luke i would support it completely all right BC topic number three then takes us to the rest of the UFC fight night 233 card give me somebody else who stood out for their performance yeah I'm gonna shout out in a weird way here Tim Elliott who's always been one of my favorite fighters what'd you just say Luke he had a good performance yeah and i say it in a weird way
Starting point is 00:49:26 because he was a late replacement and after this fantastic submission performance so you're going to see the highlights shortly in my shit i'll tell you this luke i was surprised when he came on the mic not surprised given his situation and age meaning former title challenger has juggled a lot of wins with losses in recent years, always takes big chances. But he is 36 years old and there's realities to that. But his speech afterwards was, I know I'm not going in that direction anymore of the title picture. I just want to be active.
Starting point is 00:49:56 I want to make fun fights. And I want the UFC to know that I can fill in at any time, you know, for big fights, which given that perspective and understanding his position dude he's still got it at 36 like he's still a threat to anybody sometimes he can lean a little bit too much in the fan-friendly awkward weirdness and what comes with that a lot of times is he takes big chances and that can equal defeats but i have seen a reset for him from a fighting standpoint since going through that very public and bitter divorce that he did where he has a new level of focus he's smart he's as conditioned and and well
Starting point is 00:50:31 trained as anybody and he has such a quirky game with so many threats that he went in there and just ran through sumar suma dirji and like he wants to do meaning i'll sit by the phone you have seen if you need me for a big fight, I'd kind of like to see him again in another big fight, Luke, because he always makes big fights. And this was a, not necessarily surprising, but maybe surprising at the ease and dominance. He was the betting favorite despite being a very late replacement.
Starting point is 00:50:59 But this was like a mature, dominant, strong performance. Tim Elliott, I love you, man. You're funky, you're weird, and you make great TV fights. But I think it almost seemed like he has a little bit more left in the tank than he even was willing to admit afterwards, Luke. So it was kind of weird for me to shout him out as my bright performer, but that was a good-ass win on Saturday. It was a good win, man.
Starting point is 00:51:19 And Subodarji's takedown defense is not great. So in some ways, this was a very advantageous fight for Tim Elliott, even though he was taking it on last minute, or I should say very short notice anyway. But dude, he looked tremendous. He looked tremendous in there. He looked like he was... I mean, these guys who get older and then make the switch to,
Starting point is 00:51:38 okay, I can't win the championship, but what can I do to maximize my time here? And Jim Miller is slightly different in terms of what he's trying, but something like the Jim Miller plan. I'm not going to fight these top dudes anymore. I'm going to fight something else, and that's going to keep me relevant. It's going to keep me employed. It's going to keep me on the winning side of things.
Starting point is 00:51:57 I don't see what's wrong with that. I really don't. You can actually maximize a lot of your time. You can get much more wealth doing that. I mean, there's just a lot more you can do. I realize it's not for everyone. I don't know if you saw this, BC. Daniel Darius spoke to Submission Radio over the weekend,
Starting point is 00:52:14 and he was saying quite the opposite. He was like, I don't even know what I should be doing anymore. I'm not looking to be a top five or a top ten guy. I'm looking to be the number one guy, and if I can't be the number one guy, I don't really want to do this anymore. And that's a tough place to be, man. When you mentally say all of these other options, as good as they might be for whoever, they're not for me. It's this or it's nothing.
Starting point is 00:52:39 And you're 34. You're coming off of these back-to-back stoppage losses. That's a really tough place to be. Tim Elliott's like, dude, fuck all that. I just want to be in big fights. I will be ready when the bat signal goes up. And here's a case where he performed quite ably. It's a smart transition for him, and I like what I'm seeing.
Starting point is 00:52:57 Indeed, indeed. Who you got, Luke? Who'd you pick up off these undercards that stood out to you? So this was one of the ones I got wrong on. No, I got it wrong on OK Bet because I thought it was going to end in sub. It did not end in sub, but it did end very early. How about Tesoro Taira? Taira is a beast.
Starting point is 00:53:15 23 years old, out of Japan. Folks, you may not appreciate this, but there was a time in the sport where Japan was feeding prospects and contenders left and right. And it was a glorious time when they did this because you could then go back to Japan. We talked earlier about Noya Inoue, and it's like this larger-than-life figure there, and the shows are packed. And you could do this with Japanese fighter after Japanese fighter after Japanese fighter.
Starting point is 00:53:41 But the scene after the Kakutogi boom has really kind of contracted. Well, here comes Tyra. He looks fantastic. He beat the brakes off Carlos Hernandez. Probably, I didn't see the scorecards, probably got a 10-8 first round and then just murked him, hit him with the right hand, dropped him, moved to the top spot and finishes him off from there. BC, this guy looks like the real deal holyfield as i
Starting point is 00:54:05 mentioned 23 15 and 0 he is absolutely ready for a big step up i would even say potentially a ranked fighter this kid has the goods pay attention to him whether it's on the feet or on the ground he can do it all yeah that finish he put together was pretty damn nasty in getting that second round TKO. How much of a shout-out should we give Nasrat Hakperast for his one-round, less-than-two-minute destruction of Jamie Malarkey, which ended up going against you on OK Bet. You had an upset special.
Starting point is 00:54:41 We get the circumstances. But did the foreign Kelvin Gastelum doppelganger impress you enough to start building some momentum in the right way? I think he did. I think he did, yeah. I mean, had he won a workmanlike decision where it was tough and gone to the cards, I'd have been like, okay, that makes sense. I get it.
Starting point is 00:55:01 But the fact that he kind of just blitzed him and then polished him off, and it was a spinning back fist, as I recall, or he hit him with one and then i was able to do some greater work after that whatever but the point being was he did he look good he looked great he looked great um and so for that reason i was like okay all right he's starting to put together a little bit here where this is one of the situations where losing in the UFC can sometimes be exactly what you need, where I realize that no one wants a loss, but sometimes guys either, for whatever reason, they get match made a little bit too far ahead of where they actually are, and then they get recalibrated, and they can begin to work on their game.
Starting point is 00:55:40 It looks to me like Hackperast, BC, because he had to get recalibrated from not doing so well, has begun to put together a few things. Now, let's be clear, he fought Dan Hooker not too long ago and didn't look that great. There's a lot of work to be done, but this was a solid win. Malarkey's a good fighter, and Hackperast
Starting point is 00:56:00 just ran him over, basically. Three straight wins, but all on that sort of mid know mid to lower level let's see what he can do if he keeps matching upward and i just want to shout out the mma judges for screwing me over luke on that curtain jerker for okay bet when newcomer and recent invicta adam weight champion high-end dos santos really got i thought railed in that split decision lost to a toleta allen car who spent a lot of that fight kind of just walking around and following her luke that was disappointing to see well you should have taken my advice and
Starting point is 00:56:29 just bet the over you know what i'm saying just bet the over or just or just complain and try to argue for extensions on the uh on the format here luke i mean we never put down codified rules so like this idea that we've got everything written in stone is just fucking not true. All right, we have a very important meeting with Mikey on this. Do you think we should televise this meeting, like do a separate MK video where we have a mini high court of what I'll explain while you're trying to cheat the system, and I'll bring up a year's worth of evidence, and then you'll try to come back, and then Mikey will be the arbiter, and then the family will watch.
Starting point is 00:57:02 And I'll say, we didn't land on Plymouth Rock. Plymouth Rock landed on us. Yes, yes. I'm a business man. Man. Yes, Luke. I don't think we need to televise it, but it'll probably be because, you know, I'll probably have my pants around my ankles watching Pornhub, but just the same, you know,
Starting point is 00:57:18 it'll be fun. That's why I keep my screen off when we have these Zoom calls, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, which is a great move corporately, Luke. Fantastic move. I don't understand the balls on corporate okay here's one thing that the audience surely must be able to agree with me on oh i know that i know that as a practice we've all just gotten used to it i get that i completely get that but to me this idea that like oh we used to have conference calls and now that there's like Google Meet or Zoom or, you know, pick your whatever thing of choice. Now that when we do these calls, not only do I have to verbally attend and listen, but now you have to look at me the entire time.
Starting point is 00:57:56 I never consented to this. I don't understand what the physical point of it is. Consented to this? Do you realize this is the updated approximation of what it would normally be that we all worked in the same office in the same town and we had meetings once a day in person. Now they're allowing for the future for people to work from home and all this stuff. But look, that's the equivalent of showing up to a meeting in front of your bosses in person with dark dark sunglasses on and in a in like a mask and just going hey why don't you let me ask you a question why don't you just set up a 24-7 camera like a baby camera you know so your boss can peep in on you at any time they please this is okay
Starting point is 00:58:37 you've now expanded me saying how disrespectful it is for you to not have this we can put this in your office. You know what I'm saying? And then the boss can look at it, can look at you on this one. When you have a decorated history of not listening to people during important meetings when they're telling you things about your future and then you silently, then you go, yeah, yeah, I heard you. I agree. We want to make sure that you were actually looking at us and listening and not like. Are you under the impression that by looking at me that would change that you shouldn't be look there was probably about 56
Starting point is 00:59:08 moments in the history of mk where you agreed to something and then when it was implemented vehemently argued why this was such a bad idea and then somebody sheepishly had to raise their hand and go luke agreed to that on the call last yes yes i'm okay with that i'm okay with that i'm okay with i'm okay with if during the okay with that i'm okay with i'm okay with if during the meeting i gave it the okay and then i just forgot about it because it's my fault then that's that's my fault well i'm not okay what i'm saying is what i'm saying is why does corporate america what i'm saying is give me the reason why corporate america aside from how like this view that it's like technologically polite, which is just made up. Why have we consented to then we now have to be on camera
Starting point is 00:59:48 for fucking meetings? This is a clear encroachment on privacy that I just, you just feel just punting on. Encroachment on privacy? How about respect, communication? I'm on the fucking call. What do you mean? Seeing their nonverbal reactions to the,
Starting point is 01:00:04 look, what are you doing today you're trying to extend okay bet you're trying to make a case that that that that this company didn't can you didn't give your consent to be on a zoom what the hell is wrong with you no i'm on the no no i'm saying as a general rule corporate america just assumes and this is not true just of where we work this is everywhere this is everywhere this is like a universal thing now we're pretty close to it anyway the idea that you could go from phone to now being on camera no one ever made the case other than it was technologically possible and therefore you now have to do it i do not consent to that being a good idea i do not consent to that being good for workers it'd be great i don't i don't consent to the bosses where we don't consent
Starting point is 01:00:43 to paying you this week but they already but they already did it's in the contract they already did they don't have to consent to that they already did that's my point straw man battles on top of a hill will lead you to a place called unemployed in the corporate world listen i get that i'm pissing into the i get that i'm pissing into the wind but for the life of me no one can make the argument about when we went from phone to now having increased video technology, what was the argument about why it was necessary to have the video attendance? No one can do that other than to say, well, we're all doing it, and if you don't, it's rude. You shouldn't have done it to begin with. Were you ever at a job where you had meetings in person in a conference room?
Starting point is 01:01:30 In like the 2000s yes okay well would you ever thought it would be acceptable to wear dark sunglasses and a hat essentially covering most of your visage during said important meeting with your employers do i do all right so let me see if i understand the argument the argument is this is the equivalent of actually being in person. Therefore, it requires this. Yeah, you're just making that up. There's nothing to that. Dude, I worked at ESPN from 2005 to 2017. I watched it go from if you have to work from home and can't come to the office, you can do it. But we're going to hold it against you corporately over time. There's been plenty of meetings.
Starting point is 01:02:01 I've also called in via conference call, and it was totally fine. That has evolved into a new world, which is good, where people say, hey, you can work wherever you live and that's fine, but we're going to connect via this technology. Yeah, I think they expect. Oh, I get that they expect it. One more time. I'm going to back up just because you could go from phone to video. What is the argument about making that a mandatory requirement for video for for for office culture or for anything else it's not the same as being in person you want me in person no no if you want me in person if you want me in person put me in person and then enjoy the benefits thereof if you don't want to be in person luke working for yourself you're going to be in
Starting point is 01:02:40 person it's going to be great it's going to be fantastic we had a great run luke okay somebody get morning combat uh morning morning campbell's morning combat please yeah yeah we need some jerkins for morning combat morning helwani starts next week let's do it all right here we go yeah here we go all right can we talk about devin haney or what let's do it let's do it topic number four topic number four bc let's pitch it right to you to start things off here devin haney bc what could we possibly say more about devin haney from this performance absolutely outclassing regis pro gray winning every single round on all three judges scorecards if you can believe it so the question is this bc just how authoritative and important a win was this look i had predicted on friday when we were throwing out scenarios of what this would look like i was like look and a lot of people felt this way it's why devin haney was about a you
Starting point is 01:03:36 know minus 350 almost a four to one favorite we said look there is the possibility here that this could be a one-sided dominant technical masterpiece from Haney. But Luke, when I made that prediction, I assumed if it happened, it would be boring, which it wasn't. And number two, how authoritative was it? Regis Progray noted, by the way, slugger, brawler with enough technical skill to hang in against boxers only had one pro loss coming in. And that loss was the fight of the year against josh taylor by split decision in 2019 he landed pro gray 38 punches over 12 rounds a new compu box record for futility that breaks the record that edwin dos santos just said against
Starting point is 01:04:22 jacur stevenson a couple weeks ago when they fought for Haney's old WBC lightweight title. The difference? Stevenson got booed out of the arena for that performance, whereas Haney, we all sat back going, holy shit, this 25-year-old has leveled up to an even higher dominant performance. And Luke, him going from 135 to 140 brought with it a certain amount of questions but don't forget also last week where we said there is that chance that not having to cut down to 35 more could bring out a leveling up in his speed power stamina all that when you take somebody like Devin Haney who at 25 does have the requisite hand speed quickness to where being where he is now in the midst of the top 10 at 25 is possible pound for pound. Yes. But what he has that sets him apart from
Starting point is 01:05:12 even some of those others in the top 10 is an unnatural for his age, understanding of how this sport works and unnatural control of distance and unnatural unnatural calmness in there, an ability to land punches from any situation, any distance. And on top of that, when Progre finally in the second half tried some desperate attempts to muck it up, to make it physical inside, which was really, if he was unable to get inside, was going to be his only chance, right? Just muck it up and go after it. Haney was more, just seemed bigger than him, stronger than him, was pushing him around. This was such a strong and dominant performance
Starting point is 01:05:51 that I do think it's one of those where if you took Progray out and you put in any other boxer in the world on this night, would he have the same dominant success? Probably not because there are limitations to Progray's game at 34, despite just one loss coming in. But I'm not sure anybody in the world would have beaten this version of Devin Haney at 140 on Saturday night. He leveled up into a new weight class, raised his game, and the complete suffocation and control that he has over the entire ring, it's, I mean, what adjectives could I say that could do a better job of,
Starting point is 01:06:29 watch it, go back and watch the performance. It was on a pay-per-view, it's closing out a calendar year where Devin Haney has to be, has to be up high, if not the leader in the fighter of the year discussion, although obviously Japan's monster Inoue is going to have something to say about it at the end of the year discussion although obviously um japan's monster uh a new way is going to have something to say about it at the end of the year david benavidez had a spectacular year but look at what haney did fresh off of beating george cambosis twice to become the undisputed lightweight champion and really showing us with the way he jumps from promoter to promoter that him and his father bill haney are our next level on their understanding of a lot of the way the
Starting point is 01:07:03 business works he goes in there against lomachenko earlier this year, and I know it was a disputed decision, but really stepped up and showed us a next level maturity in outdueling, you know, one of the greatest fighters of this era, and then moves up in weight and goes in there against Progray and makes it look like he was boxing an amateur. Luke, even if you told me ahead of time, it's going to be Haney by wide decision. I would have expected Progre getting inside and pushing presser and having moments or I would have expected, okay, Haney did that,
Starting point is 01:07:34 but he got booed out the building like Shakur did a couple weeks ago. No, Haney was offensive. He was fun and he was dominant. And Luke, all those questions we had about his power. Look, I'm not going to sit here and say he's a one-punch knockout threat at 140, but his one singular counter right hands at certain points made Pro Gray, who has a great chin, do dances all over that ring. Devin Haney is now a man. He was a kid before. He's stepping up now into his man strength. And at 25, he has more poise, understanding, execution ability, technique than most of the sport of boxing.
Starting point is 01:08:12 He is super, super elite. There's only been two fighters of this modern post-Mayweather era that I've even felt remotely comfortable making comparisons. One is obviously Shakur Stevenson, who is just special, a little bit different than Devin at Southpaw. But what Devin Haney does, and for all the criticism he gets, oh, he's too boring, he doesn't hit hard enough, oh, remember that time against Linares? He showed you at this move up to
Starting point is 01:08:36 140 that the future's brighter than ever before. And with them teasing a possible immediate move up to welterweight, Luke, you saw Devin Haney's body at 140 with that wide back ripped up top to bottom. I think this guy can compete at welterweight tomorrow if he really wanted to. That's how authoritative this one was. And it's not lost on me that in the end, Prograde did turn out to be kind of the perfect style matchup if things went haney's way i just didn't
Starting point is 01:09:05 expect haney to be able to limit his opponent to a boxing record for futility and excite us in the process damn damn devin haney is great and and let me pitch it back to you luke how freaking excited are you about the future at 140 pounds when we have so many of the brightest, youngest breakout performers in this sport all congregating around the same division and all talking about people not on their network but talking about fighting everybody? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Here are the champions, BC, at 140. If I got these wrong, please, by all means, say something. Roley Romero is a champion.
Starting point is 01:09:46 You now obviously have Devin Haney as a champion. Teofimo Lopez is a champion. And Subriel Matias is a champion. You could do a four-man tourney or do round robin with those guys. And any version of that is going to be fun. I realize that Roley is probably not on the same level as the other guys. Take Scott's secondary belt. Secondary belt, fair enough.
Starting point is 01:10:03 But I mean the real weight class champions. But to your point, that's the core nucleus. And then the other fighters around that, because they were even talking about Haney versus Boots Ennis at 147. You're talking about 140. Ryan Garcia is certainly out there. As you mentioned, Tank Davis is certainly out there. I mean the number of different – I even saw – I forget who it was.
Starting point is 01:10:22 Maybe it was Paulie Malignaggi. I cannot remember. But someone over the weekend was saying, in 2024, if you've got this many guys in the same weight class at the same time, and you can't make a bunch of good fights, then you just can't make good fights, period. And he's completely right about that. BC, let's back up a step here if we can. You said it was 38 strikes that Progre had landed. It's a little bit less.
Starting point is 01:10:43 It was 36. 36 total, which as a CompuBox, it's a CompuBox record for the least ever, as you indicated, in a 12-round bout. But let's just compare those to Haney's numbers, if we can. Total punches landed 36 by Progre, 129 by Haney. Jabs,
Starting point is 01:10:58 ready for this? 5 for Progre, who, by the way, was the 140-pound champion heading into this contest haney 49 uh power punches 31 from pro gray haney 80 bc we've talked about devin haney a number of times on this show as he has developed over the course of time and it's always been very clear that he's very talented there's really not much doubt about that but the question was where does that really fall where can we actually say that he is?
Starting point is 01:11:26 I have to tell you, BC, this is the best performance from him I've ever seen. And this was a performance that, for me personally, really made me rethink some things about him. The fight against Lomachenko was close and very disputed. But it does appear that getting ready for a southpaw in pro-grey, he really benefited from having another southpaw in Lomachenko before this. Really beginning to get the kinds of things, the looks he needed to, to get ready for this kind of performance. So at a bare minimum, it really set him up quite nicely for Saturday night. But more than that, BC, to your point, he looked perfectly suited for the weight class. There's a YouTube channel called Boxing G boxing gems which broke down why he won pro grade does a lot of pre-slips and head slots there's
Starting point is 01:12:10 like a b and c head slots and they would wait for him to get his head slot onto the same side and then hit him with that right hand and and sit him on his ass what does this tell you not only was the tapes that that team had done excellent dude what's the best thing about Devin Haney? Maybe you disagree, BC, but for me, his timing. Oh, my God. His timing is sublime. It might be the best at 140 of anyone because he's a good athlete, but he's not naturally as fast as Lopez, for example. At least I don't think that he is.
Starting point is 01:12:40 But his timing is so excellent. And then you add on the other pieces, BC, the ring generalship, the fact that he barely got touched in this one. And there's one more detail. Dude, they sold, what, 16,000 tickets for this in San Francisco? Dude, that's not nothing at all. This is what I'm saying. That's huge.
Starting point is 01:12:58 I never really knew quite where. I call them the Haney's. It's Devin Haney and his father, Bill. I never quite knew where they were headed with all this what they're building i'm starting to get a sense of the picture dude these guys are smart they're ahead of the curve bc they're doing everything right and this was a master class performance that has absolutely turned the tide for me in my opinion of what he's capable of and i I can't wait to see 2024.
Starting point is 01:13:25 And I personally think it's the going up in weight, allowing him to be even more, even better, even faster, even stronger, even everything. Because he does have one of those bodies that we're starting to see. I mean, his back, Luke, I don't mean to be a, you know, hashtag Bob. I mean, you're just going to blow the guy here. What are we doing? Yeah, just, you know, it's fellatio hour here at MK. But I mean, look, that's what you do look at in a young, you know, skinny-ish fighter. The idea, can they fill out and still maintain all of their skills? Dude, like we said, he looks so good in his 140 debut that he appears to have the size, speed, and technical mastery.
Starting point is 01:14:00 We're going up to 147. Wouldn't it be crazy? So when we look back, what makes him super special super special look i think it really is that understanding it's kind of like when they went and you try to study like what made wayne gretzky like light years ahead of everybody else it wasn't always physical gretzky didn't have you know jerry rice too didn't have like 40 times that blow you away but they had a vision and an understanding to slow things down that younger fighters just don't always have. Look, Bill Haney deserves a lot of credit because they were stubborn in how they built Devin Haney.
Starting point is 01:14:31 When he was young, they didn't go the amateur Olympic route. Remember, they turned pro at 17, brought him down to Mexico, fought four, five, six times just to give him that real grimy experience. You can see that because when he steps up now at the bright lights the highest levels dude there are there's nothing that you need to be worried about we're always going to be worried about Haney's chin against a super elite puncher because you're going to be worried about any fighter who's yet to be in a war and show you what they really have against the super elite puncher but he has this calmness and this poise to operate within the craziness of a storm and completely control the terms that fighters at 25 just don't have and it just so happens like i said off the start
Starting point is 01:15:11 that he's really fast he's got some good pop he's long he's strong a lot of those things but dude his mind is next level and what they were able to do when he was coming up it's still in his teens when they had every promoter throwing themselves at him. And the way that Bill Haney has been able to leverage this as father, trainer, manager of Devin, it's remarkable. They went to Eddie Hearn for the big deal after working on the showbox circuit. They fought on Matchroom for a while in DAZN. Then they go to ESPN for three fights and make a crap ton of money and beat Lomachenko
Starting point is 01:15:43 and become the undisputed champion. Now they go back ESPN for three fights and make a crap ton of money and beat Lomachenko and become the undisputed champion now they go back to Eddie they're in the midst of the of this incredibly deep fun and talented division and we're talking about possibly skipping that and going up to welterweight and all this stuff you could say okay well he's boring wasn't boring on Saturday okay well not a big draw dude he just headlined a pay-per-view and sold 16 000 seats and sold out an arena on a major u.s metropolis that also doubles as his hometown that that's not nothing there that's not nothing at all and after a performance this dominant luke my only question about the matchmaking future and we'll hear some of these comments and have you seen the shit when devin calls out tank is do you personally luke believe that Haney was too good
Starting point is 01:16:26 against pro gray on Saturday and that the likes of Ryan Garcia who did call him out on Twitter afterwards and Tank and all these other big names might go yeah no that's fine do you think Luke this performance will discipline these potential big name opponents from running after him. Doesn't he have a, won't he have a mandatory scheduled next? I don't know about that. I think so. So he might take a bit of a soft landing or something after this. I need to clarify that. I'm not entirely sure, but you're talking about like a big name.
Starting point is 01:17:00 Yeah, I'm curious about the one that keeps coming up to me, like the clashing of heads i know he's had some words with shaker i know he's had some words with ryan garcia but it seems like the tank davis one is the one that he and his father have the most um animosity about or seem to be the most animated about whatever that they don't think tank wants it because they say every time tank talks about them he's dismissive he says haney can't sell pay-per-views haney's not on his level commercially and what hane the haneys are trying to say which was true which was true we'll see what kind of buy rate this does but this is the point about like deferring a conflict with haney does he have
Starting point is 01:17:39 to fight haney next no i suppose that he does not although I don't know what the what the title implication for it all might mean but what my point being is Haney appears to be building very quickly into something that won't be denied right yeah he appears to be building into something that will be somebody who's big on pay-per-view who will be you know by the way BC I don't know where you're going to have him in your pound for pound rankings but I'm going to guess this was a big step up for him there at some point all of the arguments that tank has been using probably somewhat correctly to this point they will not be as applicable in 2024 and certainly by 2025 i don't know what tank davis wants or what he'll do next and by the way he hasn't fought since ryan garcia he might take a tune-up fight next as well but that's the that's the showdown that i
Starting point is 01:18:23 have my eye on whether or not they can make that here's my fear for ryan garcia because his name is coming up a lot it helps that the haney is back with matchroom sport under the zone banner where ryan garcia also competes obviously with golden boy and ryan even after this performance because i don't know if you saw the post fight press conference basically devin haney was they were trying to intimate that ryan garcia would want nothing to do with them. And then one of the reporters was like, no, Ryan just tweeted again that even though you look great, he still sees openings. And, you know, you're not as great as everybody thinks you are and all that. Luke, here's my fear. So a lot of people don't realize that Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney were actually amateur rivals.
Starting point is 01:18:58 They fought reportedly six times. And the general memory from those are involved was that they split those matchups three and three. But that was back when they were like early teenagers I fear for Ryan Garcia who has a lot of confidence in his natural skills and and seems willing and wanting to make big matchups if I'm Ryan Garcia I'm going after Roley and nobody else, Luke, that Ryan Garcia's confidence and maybe the issues between him and Oscar at Golden Boy, that maybe business will win out when it shouldn't right now, and maybe we are closer to a Ryan Garcia versus Haney fight than we're not. Business-wise, it would not be a bad thing.
Starting point is 01:19:41 These are both elites. It's just that, look, Ryan Garcia's not on Haney's level at all in terms of some of these technical areas. But, Luke, could you make the argument when trying to look at the version of Haney on Saturday and say to yourself, okay, Pro Greg could not handle himself. But what would another elite need to be physically
Starting point is 01:20:03 to be able to compete and maybe beat this version of Haney? Does Garcia's speed, explosiveness, and the power that gets generated from those two things lead you to believe that he actually could be a little bit of a problem at times for Haney, or is he walking into an inevitable knockout loss in the second half of that fight? I, I the the only people
Starting point is 01:20:28 we're talking at 140 right so at 140 the only people i think that could beat haini i think shakur could beat him the weight would be interesting but i think he could i do think tank could beat him maybe lopez but he's a wild card, you know? Yeah. That's the one I actually want to see the most because I do think that, like, in certain ways, Lopez's athleticism would make up for some of the differences. Yeah, so the speed, the speed and explosiveness of Lopez is somewhat on par, but he's also unpredictable in terms of his, he's unorthodox, right? Yes, yes, exactly. And that matters in fighting a haney and a guy like haney i mean if this fight was anything it was who's a master of range oh my god dude haney is so good at commanding range like he's just i mean pro great could get nothing
Starting point is 01:21:16 done as a consequence that's actually the one that i want to see the most i still think garcia he's got a lot of work to do man and if you're if you know garcia is like all offense defense not really at the same level that's a bad matchup against somebody or a bad matchup for him against someone like haney who is a pinpoint well i mean damn near perfectly timed sniper you know what's crazy is haney doesn't have one of those like heavy clubbing jabs. It's almost a weapon, right? You think like Gennady Golovkin, right? You know, but his jab is so quick and accurate. And you mentioned his accuracy being arguably his best skill.
Starting point is 01:21:53 Did you see on Saturday how he was able to time the right cross through the high guard of Progre even when his hands were up and he's moving? Dude, the ability to hit a moving fighter who has his hands up, who's kind of, you know, switching stances and cutting through, and being able to split that guard consistently with a laser right cross like that, dude, that's sublime timing. I mean, that is the kind of stuff that, yeah, it's going to get to Ryan's chin, it's going to end that fight. So if Ryan goes the rolly route to try to chase that world title in hopes of coming back against, you know, Haney in some form of unification i don't hate that and i
Starting point is 01:22:30 don't even know if ryan gets through that fight by the way but luke there is some talk about teo fimo in the future a little bit more difficult to make with teo at top rank in espn but teo seems to only want the really big fights and if there's any fighter that can try to force the hand of their network and promoter, it might be Teofimo right now because Team Lopez is nuts and they're always bragging about how they're bringing in the Bud Light sponsorship and all this stuff. So maybe that's a future fight. But I don't know if you saw Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated reported that talks are
Starting point is 01:22:57 increasing between Teofimo Lopez and Subriel Matias for a unification, maybe around June of 24, maybe in line with puerto rican day parade weekend in new york city um with subriel matthias you know hailing from puerto rico that would be insane and awesome but maybe we build toward the end of 24 devin haney in an absolutely massive fight i'm here for it let's go go. Let's do it, man. It's like, oh, they couldn't make Haney versus Lopez. Okay, that would suck. But they made Lopez versus Matias. I'd be like, okay, all right.
Starting point is 01:23:32 And that's not easy to make either. That's not easy to make either. Matias is PBC, right? Lopez is top rank. But as we're seeing with Tank versus Ryan this year and a few other developments, Guys are networks, promoters. They might be more willing to work with each other out of necessity. Think about this, Luke.
Starting point is 01:23:49 Maybe we don't spell this out enough. The sports media business, our business, the landscape right now, it's going through some tough times. People we know and like losing jobs. A lot of stuff. Showtime shutting down after the success they and we have had this year. Maybe, especially with Saudi Arabia coming in, being able to solve some of these hard to make fight issues just by putting a lot of money down.
Starting point is 01:24:10 Maybe that mixed with the necessity to make the big fights earlier than later so that boxing can hold that same place in the streaming sports media landscape. Maybe this mixed with what we talk about. These young American born fighters are more willing than ever to fight the best earlier than later, harpering back to the times of the 80s and the Four Kings when that was the norm. Maybe that's just the direction we're going. Maybe we can get Tao versus Matias next year. Maybe we can get Ryan versus Roley, Haney versus the winner of one of those. I mean, there's also Josh Taylor in this division,
Starting point is 01:24:46 Jose Ramirez. I love where we're at right now at one 40. The fact that any of these big names can jump up to 47 or any of the big names from 35 can come up and meet at 40. This right now, not super middleweight anymore. One six, eight last year.
Starting point is 01:25:00 That was last year's main dish right now. One 40 is the epicenter outside of heavyweight of where boxing is happening right now. This is fun as shit. Thank you. All right. With that in mind, let's do the last topic because we've got a bunch of stuff still to get through. So, BC, according to reports, according to reports for topic number five, Marab Davalishvili, or Davalishvili, however it is properly pronounced,
Starting point is 01:25:21 is set to face Henry Cejudo at UFC 298. My question for you is what specifically is on the line with this matchup? And the way I'm asking it is not just if you win, but if you lose. Interesting. Interesting. If you win, you're fighting the winner of Sean O'Malley versus Cheeto, too. And isn't that the same night? This is what?
Starting point is 01:25:45 No, this is the February pay-per-view uh yes i believe that's correct yep so which which one was the main event for that that was announced when dana announced those three fights in succession right it was toporia and volk in toronto in january that's right that's the same one that's 298 that's this one okay yeah well look right around that same time o'malley's going to be fighting cheeto the's looking at that. But there are interesting wrinkles in terms of who loses and when and why. Luke, when you say for the loser, what are you teasing at? Well, let's be just very clear about this.
Starting point is 01:26:13 I mean, I think that if you're going back just a second, let me check out their ages because I think that's really important. So Marab, how old is Marab? Currently stands at 16 and 4. He's 32. I don't think a loss would be devastating for him really at all. But it's the Henry Cejudo equation here that really kind of gets me. So he obviously was a double champ. And after beating a dominant Cruz, right, this was back in 2020, in May of 2020,
Starting point is 01:26:36 calls it a day and sits out until May of 2023. Loses a fight with Aljamain Sterling that was super close. So you didn't get the sense that he was really out of it by any stretch of the imagination like he was still very very competitive but he couldn't quite get over the hump and there were some expectations that he was going to go in there and like i don't know if run over aljamain but outclass him right and that just didn't happen it was close and again there was that weird scoring in the last round like he maybe even should have won but even then then it was very, very competitive.
Starting point is 01:27:08 And then he had a fight with Chito, which kind of fell through, but didn't happen. So it brings us to Marab. Marab has been this guy who just has unending cardio. You've been wondering about the sharpness of some of his other games, some of his other portions of the game. But under the tutelage of Ray Longo, it seems to be coming together, coming together. Nobody really wants to fight this guy. He beat Aldo in a very uninspiring way, but he beat fucking Jose Aldo, right?
Starting point is 01:27:27 Yeah. If you lose to him, it's not like, I mean, think about it. You lost to Aljamain, you lost to Marab. You didn't lose to fucking bums. That's not the point. But he currently sits, sitting here today, at 36 years of age. In fact, in February, so this fight is supposed to take place, excuse me, this fight is supposed to take place six days after, excuse me, eight days after his birthday, because his birthday is the 9th.
Starting point is 01:27:51 And this is going to be on the 17th. So he's actually going to be 37 heading into this contest. This is my point, BC. If you lose to Merab, no one's going to go, oh, you suck. Of course we can't say that. The guy was an Olympic gold medalleston was a double champ but if you lose to al jamaim and then you lose to marab and you're 37 i genuinely don't know where it is you can go i don't know where it is you can go he you're right he has an uh an interesting opportunity here he's getting a second chance at a super elite fight
Starting point is 01:28:19 after losing a close fight to aljo but i think one Luke, that he started slow Cejudo. There was certainly an adjustment period to that long time off, but I think he showed enough in the second half of that fight where you're like, given another chance, either at Aljo or the title, or in this case a fight that would essentially lock up a title shot, I think it's still possible. Would you
Starting point is 01:28:40 feel honored or disrespected if Cejudo walked out in a t-shirt with your face on it that at the top said tell your stats to shut the fuck up which basically says i don't believe in the 35 in this isn't a title fight so it wouldn't apply what would apply toward his goals of of of securing because that's what he's fighting for here luke another title shot no yeah i mean i understand but the stat is only about title fights so it just wouldn't even be relevant but um but the point i want to but but the other side of it is this right if you're henry and you lose to
Starting point is 01:29:12 algebane very very very very narrowly and then you come back and you beat marab dude he's gonna get the winner of sean o'malley and chito vera like there's no question in my mind if he i mean again the winner of this fight no matter matter what, should get it. But if Henry wins, zero chance he doesn't get it. And that would be truly remarkable. Dude, if you can be a champ and then basically not give up, but walk away from the game at age 32, 33, and then come back, from a statistical standpoint, is over the hill,
Starting point is 01:29:43 and then we're getting way ahead of ourselves, BC. But if you win this and ultimately recaptures the title, that would be one of the more impressive things you'll ever see in combat sports. I mean, I realize that getting, you know, the Olympic gold medal is more impressive, and in certain ways being a double champ is more impressive, but I have to tell you, giving up on your prime years to then return when you're post-prime physically and still be able to be better than the very best your peers have to offer in an exceptionally difficult weight class that
Starting point is 01:30:13 would be remarkable i mean i'm not sure what the common shit yeah gsp shit luke that's what the legends do right that's what the old gsp was a little bit different gsp had losses and whatnot but there was always ways in which he was really ahead of the game. Henry had ingredients to catch up quickly and then surpass, which he did. But he wasn't necessarily, he had weight issues early in his career. People don't remember this. He had real issues going on early on and then kind of ironed it out. He was kind of like a bit of a head case and then he figured it out and got really great.
Starting point is 01:30:41 And then walked away at the peak of his powers and now here he is later. It would just be remarkable. It's just one of those things that this is either to me going to be like the end of what he has tried to resuscitate or he's going to pump some life into this thing in the most dramatic of ways. And either way, whether it's Henry versus Cheeto or it's Henry versus Sean O'Malley, it's a hell of a fight in either direction. And I, you know, made the best man win, of course, but I would not be upset at seeing either of those. True. Actually, I love this fight for two major reasons.
Starting point is 01:31:13 One, I want to see Murab fight for the title, and this would be such a hell of a victory for him to continue that incredible momentum and finally get that chance now that his teammate and great friend is no longer the champion. Two, I love Cejudo. I love when old guys try to do huge historic things, and he tried to do that against Aljo, and now he's trying to do it again to get back in this title picture.
Starting point is 01:31:33 This is such a great fight across the board in every single way. But do you think, Luke, provided O'Malley does get past Vera and fix that wrong, that boy would he be cheering for Cejudo in this matchup. I don't understand that. Why would he be cheering for Cejudo? I don't think O'Malley wants to get taken down all day by Marab and get out cardio'd and just be at the bottom of that. Marab's going to keep
Starting point is 01:31:57 moving forward, keep moving forward. It's going to make him for a master of range, he might be quite hittable. Good point. It's not as if Cejudo doesn't bring a similar wrestling threat. He brings a great wrestling threat, but he's got more of a well-rounded game and can beat you different ways. Yeah, maybe I overblew that. Either way.
Starting point is 01:32:14 I mean, the point being is this. The point being is this. Even if you beat Chido, good, good. Dude, this is true for any bantamweight champion. It's like even if you win the championship and then you defend it, you're only going to have to fight absolutely insane fucking monsters every time you go out there. I realize that Dillashaw, when he got injured, that didn't necessarily apply.
Starting point is 01:32:36 But, like, in general, holy shit, dude. It's out of the frying pan, right into the fire, no break. So, you know, pick your poison, really. That's my favorite fight right now that's scheduled i know nothing will top volk to puria for you but in terms of what's scheduled in the ufc i think i'm more excited for suhudo versus devolosh wheelie than any other right now uh that's fair but for me it's got to be volk to puria i mean that's just dude you are ready did you're going to buy a Madrid... True or false, what's your team, Madrid or Barcelona?
Starting point is 01:33:09 Madrid, yeah. Are you going to buy a Madrid jersey with Teporia's name on the back if he wins? It's funny you mention that. It's funny you mention that. So he told ESPN Deportes over the weekend that UFC is already looking into España, UFC Spain, right, to do some big grand event there. And Teporia has told them he wants to fight at the Santiago Bernabeu. You may not know what that means. That's the official stadium for Real Madrid.
Starting point is 01:33:37 And what's kind of interesting is during the pandemic, they completely revolutionized the stadium. So the stadium has well beneath the ground, layer after layer after layer, where they can take the grass out and put on an NBA court. Take the court out, put on a hockey rink. Take the hockey rink out, they can do tennis. Because remember, Rafael Nadal is from Spain as well. So they have revolutionized this place to be able to make it a space for literally any kind of sporting event. Dude, if he fought, I'm let me just say this right now if he fights in the bernabéu i'm going i'm fucking going to that
Starting point is 01:34:12 i'll even pay my own way i'm going to luke i will never go to saudi arabia or the uae to cover a fight unless you first remove my life and then drag my dead corpse out there says i will go to spain on my own dime will you show up then wearing a teporia uh madrid jersey probably no i will not buy a teporia jersey or a teporia madrid jersey but i wouldn't want to go cheer for because volks your guy right in in the in the power rankings of luke's mma erection i'm gonna give you an update right now okay ready for this one valk two izzy three shavkat for tapuria so are you about right that's about right so what what the hell are you gonna who are you gonna cheer for so here is what here is what i have noticed from the fan base because i mentioned i had like for example i tweeted a video
Starting point is 01:35:04 of tapuria like like just exuding confidence in this interview, which of course you would expect him to. There's nothing great there. It just got me pumped up. You know what I mean? And there were people in the comments, and you could tell these people had Twitter accounts for two years or something. They'd be like, oh, Volk's going to walk right through him. And let's be clear about something. If he does that, you'd be like,
Starting point is 01:35:25 well, how did Volk manage that? No, you'd get it. You'd get it. But there is at least a part of me that feels like you should have been paying attention. And I tried to tell people at the time, you should have been paying attention to the guy who was fighting Jose Aldo.
Starting point is 01:35:40 You should have been paying attention to the guy who was fighting Chad Mendes, because he was already very, very, very good back back then and there was really no hype for him what i've noticed is that and this makes sense in fight sports the fan base doesn't really galvanize around someone until they're already kind of at the peak of their powers and maybe a little bit past and then they get disappointed when they lose and And it's like, dude, the hype train should have started for you years ago. You've got a real young guy who is a fucking hammer taking on somebody who is maybe one of the best that the fight game has ever seen, but is coming off of a devastating KO loss and is significantly older.
Starting point is 01:36:18 That is a tough situation for either guy, but it's an existentially tough one for Volk my attitude is always may the best man win and if Volk won by his brains dude it's gonna be pants around my ankles and if DePoria wins via a vicious knockout it's gonna be pants around my ankles I love both of these fighters so much but it's this clash of the titans moment that this this you know the immovable object meets the irresistible force, that tension is what draws me in, even if I kind of feel like the fan base was a little late on Volk and they might have missed the best part of him already.
Starting point is 01:36:54 We shall see. Wow, I never thought about this. Volk versus Tepuria for you was my double Super Bowl of Rose versus JJ, one and two, right? Yeah, kind of. It's kind of similar to that. Yeah, yeah. Dude, it's a huge fight.
Starting point is 01:37:06 And then also, Spain is my favorite country basically in the world to visit, and for someone to blow that up with MMA, dude, it'd be fucking great. It'd be great. And if it's Teporia, like, I want to go, and they're going to do it at the fucking Madrid Stadium? Like, I got to see that.
Starting point is 01:37:21 I got to see that. So, you know. All right, Luke. I hope you get everything you want in life. And, you know, if I get arrested at the Santiago Bernabéu because I got my pants around my ankles, that's just a cost you have to pay. You know what I'm saying? If your hands get chapped, I know where to get great jerkins, Luke. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:37:36 Wow. Okay. Great. BC, Mike Perry is bitter at us. Why don't you tell the folks what happened? Oh, yeah. Let's quickly jump into that. I thought it was established that despite my prior history of being hung
Starting point is 01:37:48 up on and threatened by Mike Perry that we made well. And his ridiculously awesome public turn over the past year plus of leaving UFC and becoming really the face of bare-knuckle fighting and a pay-per-view
Starting point is 01:38:04 star, let's be honest, seriously, just a change. Yeah, we point out some of the still craziness lingering around Mike, but that's one of the calling cards of what we love. I could not be more proud of him. I love him. I want to be Mike Perry's Howard Cosell, Luke. I do. I love his story.
Starting point is 01:38:22 He makes me laugh. He's incredible. He's inspiring. But apparently he got upset following morning combat on instagram and seeing a comment i think it was made by you that he's referencing but he was a guest on michael they always get bitter at me it's all this is all i mean for 15 years i could be like this person's great and then they get bitter at me it's just well don't call coach latore beautiful right i almost lost that friendship again when i
Starting point is 01:38:43 did that luke don't Let me tell you this. Good old Mike Perry, who we love, was on Michael Bisping's podcast. I believe we have the clip. He's a little bit unhappy. Let's listen. And we need to. As human beings. Morning Combat.
Starting point is 01:38:56 They posted a video. They're talking about me this morning. There's a collab on it. Who? Morning Combat. Right. Brian Campbell and Luke Thomas. I'm like,
Starting point is 01:39:09 I feel like there's always a little dig in there. You know what I mean? Like, always a little oh, he's great, but you know, this guy was old or this was that or that was the other. And I'm like, at the same time, I'm like, you know what I'm like you know what I'll
Starting point is 01:39:25 collab it fuck you I'll just accept that attention sure bring it on motherfuckers talk about me however you want you know why cause I got the belt and you gotta actually fucking hit me hard enough to make a difference and it doesn't matter how hard you hit me
Starting point is 01:39:42 yeah what was the dig something about me being in my physical And it doesn't matter how hard you hit me. Yeah. What was the dig? Something about me being in my physical prime with this rule set to have, you know, to all of my attributes and abilities, and I'm fighting aged legends. Trying to make you the bare-knuckleuckle they're making you out to be the bare knuckle Jake Paul
Starting point is 01:40:08 come on I'm making oh Bisping what is that dude well to be fair no one said anything even approximating that Michael Bisping what the fuck did we or did we not
Starting point is 01:40:23 sit in the 8th row of Delta and do a whole segment about should Michael Bisping be the fuck did we or did we not sit in the eighth row of Delta and do a whole segment about should Michael Bisping be in the hall of hall of fame or not even though it was like a it was kind of like we were in on it it was a fun segment we had a debate I wonder if that fueled that Luke you know what I'm saying that is such an unfair characterization I love Michael like I've known him for a long time I I think very highly of him in his career, and he's doing great for himself. That is an absurd comment by him, and he knows it. Oh, my God, dude. I cannot believe he said that.
Starting point is 01:40:51 That's the first time I'm actually seeing that because I wanted to wait until today's show. I really cannot believe he said that. I'm actually shocked. So I think Mike was upset because he felt that the way that you were categorizing the win and his place now as the face of Bare Knuckle that he had taken advantage of older fighters when we were really saying i've been in the sport he beat old fighters young fighters tall fighters and rock hold he's beating everybody look i get we're giving him the flowers left and right you know okay i mean i think the comment if i recall correctly and i could be getting this wrong so if i I am, by all means, was that he beat aging but well-respected names.
Starting point is 01:41:27 I think that's actually the way in which I said it. BC, Eddie Alvarez, when they fought, was 39. When he fought Luke Rockhold, he was 38. When he fought Michael Seals, he was 39. When he fought Julian Lane, he was 34. When he fought MVP, he was 35. I'm not making up the math I didn't like what do you want what do you want me to say
Starting point is 01:41:48 did I say that those wins were scrub wins fuck no I didn't say that like dude beating Eddie Alvarez at any age is incredible and beating Luke Rockhold who is much bigger than him was especially incredible busting up his fucking teeth and dude the win over MVP
Starting point is 01:42:04 is probably his best win because it was gut check time in that fight and mike had more fact fact how am i a villain for just observing the reality well look fighters are sensitive and i always respect that and understand that coming in i'm not trying to be anybody's friend luke it's actually one of the major reasons why i've never even considered building a rolodex the size of yours and why i go through yeah maybe you're right about that to be honest you might you might be right about that debate to make sure that the fighters show up because every time i go through a fighter or manager in either sport i get burned so that's sort of part of the foundational but i think mike who does uh follow our show and actually comments
Starting point is 01:42:42 on a lot of our ig posts which which always pops me. I love that. I always feel this about any fighter that sees our content. They're seeing a lot of times a perfectly curated 30, 45 second thing that is lacking larger context. And if they hear one thing in it, that sounds like you're building them up just to dig at them a little bit. A lot of times we'll throw out. The reason why we sometimes throw out these qualifiers is because if this 40 seconds goes out of us saying mike perry's the greatest thing ever then we'll get a lot of people going what about this this this and this so a lot of times in the moment in our rants we're almost prepared to be like hold on you loud person over there hold on i understand that this this and this happened but it's so impressive and here's why
Starting point is 01:43:23 that they're focused on the this this and this luke i mean so impressive and here's why that they're focused on the this this and this look i mean listen i don't have anything bad to say about mike perry and i mean that because i literally don't have anything bad to say about my guy yeah you know i mean i don't want to be clear about something too like dude mike perry it looks to me because i saw him tweeting some stuff like it chill son had some really nice things to say and i saw him share that and it looks to me that like what he wants quite understandably and i think a lot of fighters obviously want this you know but like mike perry wants it right now i think mike's like what 32 because he's like right in like the thick of his prime you know he wants fucking validation you know and he wants respect
Starting point is 01:43:58 and i it's like mike you got it dude you got it me observing that these dudes were a little bit older first of all eddie couldn't make it past two. Luke couldn't make it past whatever, fuck how long that fight fucking went. He busted his teeth. Yeah, it was like Mike fucking ran him over. And what did Mike say when the fight was over? Not this one, but the Eddie Alvarez fight.
Starting point is 01:44:17 He's like, I want someone who can stand up to me. Fair enough, dude. Like you are better than these guys by a considerable margin. My only point being is whether it's boxing, whether it's MMA, whether it's bare knuckle, not everyone is going to be perfectly, or as I should say, as equally suited for each sport. And obviously he can do well in any of them, but he does exceedingly well in bare knuckle. The reason we bring up the age of his opponents is because yes, you have to kind of, you have to kind of couch what the achievement is based on some of that, but we're talking about what he has done for himself in
Starting point is 01:44:48 terms of being a star he's the we said this he's the biggest star since 1889 in bare knuckle yeah and he did it by himself by beating legit fucking guys that's so shitty dude be serious for a second turned his life into something spectacular he's got money in the bank he's got a stable family he certainly whether he knows it or not he certainly has our respect and we have never ever ever ever on this fucking show said we think mike perry is like trying to do the jake paul thing no he's not no he's not he's still fighting those guys when they're viable in a very violent, difficult way. That is very different than taking someone from a different sport and trying to get them in a much different rule set where there's really no overlap.
Starting point is 01:45:35 And you're just kind of, you know, stunting on them a little bit, right? It would have sort of very weird way. That's really not, that's really not what we're saying at all. These are hard-fought, tough-ass wins that he went and got them. I'm just saying these guys aren't 25. They're not 26. And that's not his fault, but that's just – But the nature of our business, Luke, is when people can grab snippets or maybe not even a snippet. Maybe they hear the full context and they think,
Starting point is 01:46:00 oh, man, this guy doesn't respect me, but our job is to be critical. That's why I don't try to become friends with fighters. I try to be cordial. I love a lot of these guys. They're hilarious. They're great. They're great people. I love it.
Starting point is 01:46:11 But I actually respect Anthony Smith more than anybody because we actually had a talk off camera and he was like, man, you said some shitty stuff and I explained that some of it was comedy, but I also said, look, I'm just trying to do my job and be critical. It's not always easy and it's not always going to make friends, but that's our job.
Starting point is 01:46:26 You know, we got it. We're trying to be honest. Jake Paul has only ever boxed, right? Like Mike Perry did MMA and he's meeting other MMA guys in bare knuckle. It's completely different. It's completely, totally different. Yeah, I do. I really resent that comparison.
Starting point is 01:46:40 I really resent that. I, you know, I do. I mean, it's one thing for fighters to get mad at us when we say critical things, which is part of the job and I understand it. It kind of bums me out that we're getting this when we're actually I thought being quite friendly about it.
Starting point is 01:46:58 I don't know. I guess we weren't. I guess we're shitheads no matter what. No, that's why you can't get too high when somebody's friendly to you and you can't get too high when somebody's friendly to you, and you can't get too down when they're suddenly threatening to kill you, as Mike has to me. But here's what I like about Mike the most. That was the first time in the history of morning combat when a pro fighter
Starting point is 01:47:14 or someone famous had mentioned morning combat that they called me the co-host by name. They didn't say Luke's co-host. They didn't say that other guy that Luke didn't mention on Rogan. They didn't say that adult child or the fat guy with the fat face they said me by name so that's why mike perry's my man for life dude i got nothing bad to say about mike perry i'm super happy for his success i can't wait to see who he fights next i hope he gets exactly the fight he's looking for it kind of bums me out to hear that to be honest with you so it is what it is i guess
Starting point is 01:47:41 if i asked mike if i could be ocean's godfather, is that taking it too far? Can you please stop bringing up his kids or anybody's kids? I mean, can we stop doing that forever now? You can bring up my kid. That's it. I don't want to be doing it. By the way, did you hear what she said about you today? What'd she say?
Starting point is 01:47:57 Because, Luke, if she said something bad, I could just unfollow her in a second. Okay? I don't think she has social media accounts that I'm aware of. I'll block her on Instagram. What do you got, Luke? Yeah, yeah. I mean, why would you tolerate morons in your orbit? follow her in a second okay i don't think she has social media i'll block her on instagram what do you got luke yeah yeah i mean why would you tolerate morons in your orbit i don't know but nevertheless there was a there was a you know you know how we have that holding screen when the when the when the youtube stream starts right i'm talking about and i said i i pointed at you and
Starting point is 01:48:20 i said what do you think about uncle gringo is Is he ugly? And she goes, no, he's pretty. Oh, thank you, too. See, she's awesome. And then I told her to go to her room for lying. Yes, for sure. By the way, quickly, did you hear Jake Paul's interview with Mark Ray Mundy where he said that he thinks he could be an NFL slot receiver and is considering taking two years to do it, and he thinks he has the speed, explosiveness, and physicality to do it?
Starting point is 01:48:42 By all means, try. By all means, try. All right, there you go. Yeah it by all means try by all means try all right there you go yeah by all means hey look before we get into dms and some shit this is gonna be a long episode but i love it because i don't have another job to go to right now although i'd do it in a second um you know what i do have another thing to go to rebuilding my life and my fitness and my health and i don't have to wait till january 1st start it. I'm very happy and lucky that I've committed, Luke. But commitment and motivation is one thing. Having the knowledge to execute and having somebody watching your back and adapting to your workout needs and your growth, that's even more important.
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Starting point is 01:49:52 I want to build muscle. I want to fit into my old clothes. You name it. You can't do it just by, I'm going to, I'm just going to exert a lot of effort. No, you need to know with what equipment you have, what you can do, what's appropriate, what's appropriate every time you show up, where you need to be in a month, two months, three months. You need a plan. And, dude, FitBot will understand who you are, what your goals are, and program for you, build you a little road to get from this point today to that point tomorrow. And you might be like, how?
Starting point is 01:50:24 How does it do that? How does this app, how does this coach in the palm of your hand do that? Well, I'll tell you what this FitBot app intelligently varies your intensity and your volume tracks, your muscle fatigue and recovery and designs a well-balanced workout plan that can prevent you from hitting those plateaus that so often leads us back to the salty corn chips at night and anything, but in the direction of our hopes and fitness goals and dreams. And how do you learn Luke and get more educated? How about this app having one over 1000 exercise demonstration videos? It's very often that I go,
Starting point is 01:50:56 you know what? I'd love to change my core, my hip and leg strength. I love to do things, but I don't know what to do. I don't know how to squat in the gym. I don't know any, look,
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Starting point is 01:52:16 worst name ever, is Leon Edwards the UFC's most underappreciated champion? So BC, the champions of the UFC are as follows. Pantoja, O'Malley, Volk, Islam, Leon, Sean, Alex, John Jones. And then of course you have Grasso, excuse me, yes, Grasso, Zhong Wiley, and then there's no one else.
Starting point is 01:52:38 So among those names, is he the most underappreciated? He's up there. He's up there. I mean, is he more appreciated than pantoja who just won the championship over moreno in a wild brawl and will be defending in a very good fight that really nobody wants to talk about in fact people were upset that our pre-game preview didn't go deeper into roy vol versus pantoja too he's just as underappreciated but luke will a victory if he gets it over colby covington on saturday
Starting point is 01:53:05 and that's no guarantee would that change that in your eyes and give leon edwards finally the respect across the board that he deserves that i thought he gained really in that third usman fight by coming out and beating him in altogether different way than the second one will that be the one to make leon edwards the rightful star he deserves to be uh i think it could it stands the best chance because as we did say in the pre-game preview you know kimaru did have his era and then colby was kind of his main foil for big parts of that and you wonder what's going to happen is now well i guess he could go back to 170 but right now usman appears to be a 185 er colby has been very sparsely active and
Starting point is 01:53:46 kind of waiting in the wings for this but if he loses at age 36 it's like how the hell is he going to get back to this one it seems like this might be the end of the road so Leon could come in and just sweep out that whole era but more to the point BC like I saw that he had done some stuff with TNT sports in the UK with Rio Ferdinand, like a long time, a player for Man United, player for the English national team. And dude, he's got like a huge following there. Like Leon is starting to get the rub in the UK from like cross promotional sports stars or whatever in ways that like could really blow him up.
Starting point is 01:54:20 So yes, like there is a certain significance to beating colby but we talked about like guys you know getting to their prime and finally getting all that rub he's starting to get some of that he's still quiet and diminutive right he doesn't you know he doesn't come out and give you like the best chael son and schtick or whatever pre-fight but the level of exposure he's starting to get from all of these powerful forces i think could really lift him here in a big way. Yeah. Fair point. All right. From world's worst hero.
Starting point is 01:54:49 Very good name. Prime BJ Penn versus prime Tony Ferguson. Who wins? Prime. Can we identify the prime mountaintop moment for both of what we're picking? I'd say beating Diego Sanchez for BJ Penn. And for me, I think his prime moment for Tony was beating RDA. Yeah, I'd have to echo that.
Starting point is 01:55:07 You could also offer the Kevin Lee fight for the interim title, but the RDA won. I'm going to say prime BJ, actually. Demonstrative. Really? And that's rare, because that's one of the rare, now old-school guys whose game was so far ahead that you're like, yeah, it could level up in today's era. He had a great jab. He was hard to hurt.
Starting point is 01:55:26 Again, we're talking about prime BJ, not like all the other BJs. For example, unmotivated BJ. Well, I mean, prime BJ was training with the Marinovichs, had good cardio. There were so many times he showed up with like shit cardio. So if we're discounting that, prime BJ had excellent wrestling. He had better jiu-jitsu than almost anyone even today, quite frankly. I mean, his jiu-jitsu was vastly ahead of the time even then. I think he could take down Tony and give him some real problems on the floor.
Starting point is 01:55:56 Yeah, I would give BJ the nod there. Did Prime BJ or Elite BJ or even Dangerous BJ end with the loss to GSP and the rematch at Welterweight. Is that when the goat, when he gave up the ghost on the guy that could do anything? I don't think he, I don't, I think it's the Edgar fights. I don't think he ever got right after like the second loss to Edgar.
Starting point is 01:56:16 Okay. I think that was, I mean, he had some wins after that, but like he was never, that was the end. That was the book. When he said to GSP that only a bitch taps on strikes
Starting point is 01:56:25 and then he did not come off his stool in the corner against GSP in the rematch, that means GSP wins that argument, right? Sort of, but remember he was going up in weight, so it's like – Yeah, you're right. You're right. Now he's running for governor. Who knows, Luke? Oh, he did.
Starting point is 01:56:38 He lost that. He lost that. All right. From underscore – Yeah. From Matt Considine. You love mispronouncing that guy's name. Like 15 different words.
Starting point is 01:56:49 How would you pronounce that? Considine. Considine. Okay. Hi, family. Who are your favorite boxers currently? I would say that my favorite boxers right now are Gervonta, Shakur, Frank Martin, Teofimo, and Boots. The fight I need to see is Devin Haney and Subriel Matias.
Starting point is 01:57:06 BC, he didn't name any scrubs, did he? He named some fun fighters. So, Luke, I wanted you to do this exercise the right way. Rather than name four or five and then throw in another 15, label it at three. Right now, who are your three favorite boxers to watch currently? Definitely going to be Tank. Definitely going to be Tank. Definitely going to be Tank.
Starting point is 01:57:26 That's going to be one. You're a boots guy. Come on. I'm a big boots guy. Boots is two. It's the third one that's real tough. Yeah. Man. He's not active enough, but in terms of pre-fight getting siced in my
Starting point is 01:57:44 loins, Betterbeef. Artur Betterbeef. Oh, shite. Yeah, nice call. As Vinny Pass calls him, the Muslim Don. Yeah. Betterbeef's that guy.
Starting point is 01:57:55 Damn, there's so many names you can name. I mean, if any of us could have said Inouye and we're like, yup, there it is. Oh, fuck, Inouye. Jesus, how could I forget? Oh, my God. How did I forget Inouye? Yes. Okay, we can only do three.
Starting point is 01:58:04 I'm going to go Gervonta, Shakur. Even after that shit he just turned in? Yeah, he's so... I love... You know, in boxing... So it's weird. In MMA, I tend to love puncher's chances and brawlers more than skill. In boxing, I love the purest and purest boxers.
Starting point is 01:58:20 Yeah, that can just control an entire fight. I'm going to... Controversial. I'm going to throw in Errol Spence Jr. I love Errol Spence Jr., but I don't know what he's going to look like moving forward. Are we putting too much in one fight? We might be. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:58:32 I love Errol Spence Jr. I do love Bud Crawford, too. It's just a question of activity level at this point. Yeah. Yeah. All right. This says Telvin Copapa. I'm going to guess it's Telvin Keypapa.
Starting point is 01:58:43 Yeah. Let's see. There's only one. Yeah, there we go there's only one yeah what is the worst christmas movie you have ever watched oh dude my wife puts on some of those netflix movies okay i got it i got the answer i just don't know the name of it so here's the deal you know every year that i tell you guys the best sneakiest christmas movie out there the one that you will laugh at and ya at and groan at and then you watch it and
Starting point is 01:59:05 you're like, maybe BC was onto something. And that's Holiday in Handcuffs with Melissa Joan Hart and A.C. Slater. Luke, it just randomly turned into this surprise, amazing hit. Originally aired on ABC Family. It's funny. It's absurd. It's awesome. When you say A.C. Slater, you mean Mario Lopez, right? Yeah, whatever. Same guy. But here's the deal. My family now hates that movie and me because I force it at them so much. But here's what happened. The two of them tried to recalibrate their magic, meaning A.C. Slater and Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and they did a Hallmark movie, Christmas movie, that was filmed right down the road from me in New Britain, Connecticut, filmed at the house of a family that we're friends with, that go to church with we got all excited it was shot all around new
Starting point is 01:59:47 britain and it's the worst christmas movie ever and i don't remember the name and it it has no plot it's like you know hallmark movies have like the same recurring plot 365 times this one is like the worst of that group i hope they burn it and never see it again you see ask me how many nights in a row i have read the grinch uh how the grinch stole christmas to my daughter oh boy wait are you on like two months now going yeah solid solid every single night is she a bigger fan of the cartoon or the jim carrey live action so she hated the jim carrey when we had to turn it off because it's scary yeah it's a little yeah it's scary you know what's kind of funny there was a movie that do you know who benedict cumberbatch is? It's the most British name ever.
Starting point is 02:00:25 But he plays the Grinch in an animated movie that was kind of relatively recent, I think like 2018 or something like that. And what you notice is the Jim Carrey movie, if you actually just watch it, it's like very dark. Literally, like the colors are dark. It's a dull-toned movie. And then they made this like Grinch kind of Christmas movie with Benedict Cumberbatch voicing the Grinch and it's bright and neon and light and my daughter loves that way more so
Starting point is 02:00:51 that might be her favorite one but dude if you don't watch Bad Santa on Christmas fuck your life I mean that's just the best Christmas movie that there is Bad Santa everyone Bad Santa and you follow that up with Die Hard 1 no but Bad Santa is an actual Christmas movie. Die Hard 1 is like it just takes place on Christmas.
Starting point is 02:01:08 Also Rambo. I'll back you on that. Rambo takes place on Christmas as well if you really want to get fucking super crazy with it. So there's that too. All right, BC, last but not least. The guy in the chair ink says, regardless of what happens this coming year, whether it's rebranding new hours or new structure, I want to say, oh, that's very nice. I want to say thank you.
Starting point is 02:01:26 And Heather and I are here for all the shit. So if you're coming on, come on. We got you. There you go, BC. When he says Heather and I, is that Russell from – where's Big Chicken Luke in Georgia? That's in Marietta, Georgia, yeah. Yeah. You know Russell and Heather, they got married by Elvis.
Starting point is 02:01:46 Is that them? Them. I don't know the name, the guy in the chair ink, but that might be. Yes. Well, Russell recently turned 45. So happy birthday. Welcome to Washville. And he was just saying, what did he say in the message?
Starting point is 02:01:59 Like, we love you. And that kind of. Yeah. Yeah. So he says, if you're coming on, come on. We got you. Well, hey, guys, we're coming on in 24. And like a in like a really big way spoiler alert so just i'll we'll leave it there we'll just leave it there yeah yeah bc and i have been uh cooking as they like to say in the gym
Starting point is 02:02:16 cooking in the lab yeah in the lab we're cooking a lot cooking meth we're doing a lot of different things that are cooking drugs we're doing doing. Here's what else is cooking. Oh, that was DMs from donks. You can reply every Sunday night on Instagram at morning combat. Get your question asked. Thank you very much. Finally, boy, Luke Gaff. Pierre Gaffney.
Starting point is 02:02:46 Jim Pierre, our fantastic producer from Malta, has has confirmed this is not only among the greatest batches of shit in history but the girth equals the length well that is just a tsunami of cock right there i mean let's just say yes yes yes i scoured the globe the high the low the good the bad the ugly in between the sport of comedy sports and beyond this one's called have you seen this shit thank you okay uh oh bc's feces will start at the apex luke where it belongs ufc fight night and here is the frightening khalil roundtree jr finishing off friend of the program anthony smith uh dude this is just wow right yeah look at this just i will if i have to young whippersnapper you know what i mean dude what do you think of round tree halt like just cocking that fist up there
Starting point is 02:03:30 and just holding it that would have been that would have been bad that would have been real bad for anthony i'm glad that the referee uh didn't let that take place that dude khalil round tree has a unique capacity for like a very smart soft-spoken kind of guy his personality in the cage is fucking terrifying you know indeed indeed great victory for him luke dana white uh had a big special announcement this past week that turned out to be power slap related but he he produced this great soundbite let's listen i want to oil you up what the fuck does that mean well bring out the gimp look who do you think plays the gimp at the ufcpi i don't know forest i hope not for us there you go no he has a off gimp gig luke a lot of folks talking in the apex about this fifth round mistake from chris gutierrez that led to the 10-8 round on one of the scorecards.
Starting point is 02:04:25 Yeah, he tries an Emanari roll and just ends up flopping to his back. It's the worst Emanari roll I think I've ever seen. There you go. Really bad. It took a ground and pounding to end the fight. Hopefully El Guapo can bounce back, right? That's right. Not El Chapo.
Starting point is 02:04:40 All right. Let's keep it going here. Late replacement Tim Elliott not only got the submission of sumar dirgey dude did he get blood to shoot out of the nose and mouth of sumar sumar dirgey here too is this gross or what man this is a tight that's a tight fucking choke you can see because the choking elbow is nearly parallel to the ground yeah that's how you can tell it's fucking tight let's see i can't see anything from this oh yeah he sure did yeah yeah that's gross do you remember when uh rick horror stories face exploded when who put him in that face clamp thing remember that uh it was demi and maya it was demi and maya and it shot out of his
Starting point is 02:05:18 nostril yeah damn dude that's gross let's go to lightweight steve Garcia, Luke. He had a brutal KO, too, of Mel Quizel Costa. And then Costa starts shooting on Chris Tognani, Luke. This was wild. Got the choke. This was a big upset, too, as I recall, right? Yeah, sorry. I said KO. This looks like it's setting up to be a submission, right?
Starting point is 02:05:39 Oh, God. Well, no, no. There it is. Oh, Jesus. Oh, boy. This also happened in boxing over the weekend where a fighter pushed the ref, but it wasn't this aggressive, Luke. Dude, dude, dude, look at Tyone.
Starting point is 02:05:51 Dude, we should all just shoot. Stop grabbing the ref, or stop grabbing the fence, ref. Dude, I would just shoot a high crotch on Tyone anytime I see him after this, Luke, just to enjoy this moment over and over again. What do you think? I think that's really, that's very sweet of you. Yeah, yeah. I wonder if him and i could be friends no no i want to be friends with keith peterson because anyone who's got a voice like that fucking parties you know what i mean damn
Starting point is 02:06:13 right we can call up josh rosenthal and really get down have a referee party be great i have reached out to josh rosenthal like 10 times for an interview and he just won't he won't do it okay i got a new idea be like josh we actually don't want to interview we just want to get high and hear your story yeah just for me we don't care that you went to prison can we just get fucking high you know yeah we'd love to hear the stories of what it was like hey luke let's check in and conor mcgregor he was in dubai this weekend for a box this is the weirdest shit on earth by the way islam makachev was at this event too yes he was first was. First, Luke, though, earlier this week, longtime partner Dee Devlin
Starting point is 02:06:47 gave birth to their third child. I know you don't like when I speak of the children, but this is Matt McGregor. That's a nice moment. Yeah, shout out to the family there. That's their third bundle of love. And Conor's got bedhead and it looks great. But then, Luke, he went to Dubai for a boxing match and first he broke up
Starting point is 02:07:03 an aggressive face-off between two flyweight boxers who look like they're about a quarter of his size. There you go. It looks like the Lollipop Guild right there. And then, just for fun, they said, hey, Connor, how about you and Peyote or Jan face-off? Right? Just for fun. What do you think about this? They're like two or three weight classes apart.
Starting point is 02:07:24 And by the way, you see Jan kind of smiling like hee-hee. Look at McGregor just fucking be like, oh, this is serious shit to me. Remember he tried to fight Diego Sanchez after Cowboy Luke before he got injured? Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah. Why is he being so serious? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:07:39 Maybe he's into this. All right. Luke Conner also caught some shrapnel last weekend from the hardest-hitting 145-er, Jeremy Stevens. Let's listen. Do you think that you and Connor could possibly, and Mr. Feldman, talk him into coming over here and testing your power with no gloves? He's got to get off the blow first, you know. He's got to get off the steroids.
Starting point is 02:08:03 He's got a long, long track ahead of him. You know, he's got a big route with UFC. I think me, Eddie, Mike, we put it down in the UFC. You know, he's fought some fights, but now he's kind of running out of room. He's really got to fight the real deals, the guys that he's been avoiding. You know, I fought the Frankie Edgars, the guys that he avoided. So that's a long shot away. It's not something I really think about, but you know,
Starting point is 02:08:25 he can get it on the street for sure. His mom knows. Oh, I've told you. Remember when he, remember when he did that, when Connor was like, who the fuck is that guy?
Starting point is 02:08:37 Yes. Cause you know, Steven's had a moment there where he could have used that to like, continue to get his name out there. And my understanding is at the time, they didn't want anything to do with that. He tried it. It didn't work. And they just wanted to pivot away from it.
Starting point is 02:08:52 So, by the way, there was one more insult. The video got cut off too early. Stevens put the mic down and picked it back up and ripped Conor one more time. It was hilarious. But I had interviewed Jeremy a few times after that incident and tried to play up the idea of him fighting Conor. And sort of like, hey, do you owe him a receipt from him embarrassing you like that and that made Jeremy very very do you hear my daughter banging on the door here um no but uh Long Island Luke tells us that the the cutoff comment from from Stevens was your mom knows part
Starting point is 02:09:22 oh something was I mean just some stupid ass your mom joke yeah okay it was a mom knows part. Oh, someday it was just some stupid ass. Your mom joke. Okay. It was a mom joke. Sorry about that. Okay. Let's keep this great show going.
Starting point is 02:09:31 Look, was PFL Europe over the weekend. I'm starting to get nervous. Now this already happened and I'm bringing it back. Cedric Doombay was calling out MVP. Is this real? Let's let's go. Is this all they faced off?
Starting point is 02:09:40 Kinda MVP. I don't know. Whenever you want, I'm here for you. MVP, Michael Venom page. kind of MVP I don't know whenever you want I'm here for you MVP Michael venom page Michael venom pages in the building right now think we're buffering MVP stepping into the smart cage for the first time. MVP, nice to meet you. All right, so... Okay, so isn't he signing with the UFC?
Starting point is 02:10:10 A little face-off here. I don't know that he's signing with the UFC. It appears they're doing something else. I don't really fucking get it. Also, I don't mind this fight happening. I'm totally okay with it, but... Look at that lower third. Fight in the making, it says underneath there.
Starting point is 02:10:24 It's like, are you going to put that fight the making, it says underneath there. You see that? It's like, are you going to put that fight on PFL Europe where no American can fucking see it? I mean, what are we doing here? They're going to put that in a Bellator International Championship Series main event. Where people can also not see it, you know. Long Island Luke says that Stevens picked up the microphone and said, your mom knows, and then his mom knows.
Starting point is 02:10:44 I don't know. Yeah, who gives a shit? Thank you, Long Island Luke, but no one cares. Hey, let's head to the hardwood. Luke, have you ever done a mid-hoop hookah break while playing full court? Can't say that I have. Let's see. Watch what this guy does after taking
Starting point is 02:10:58 that hookah rip. Look at this, Luke! Steel! Look at that. Ah! That's amazing, right? Wow. That is quite incredible. Amazing. They make legends at Rucker Park.
Starting point is 02:11:10 That's not Rucker Park, but it has that same kind of feel. Same feel. Let's go to, you ever just try to shoot full court shots over and over again to see if you make something crazy? Yeah, just throw the shit. Yeah, 0.0% chance anyone could replicate this shot, right? Or maybe 0.01%. Dude, what? That's not real.
Starting point is 02:11:30 That's not fucking real. So watch. It goes in, and then it rolls over. No, Luke, so it went through the hoop and then rolled over and got pinned on top of the rim. That's basically impossible. You could shoot that 10,000 times and not get that. That's insane.
Starting point is 02:11:44 Absolutely. All right, let's rate that form in the gym poet on edition luke alex pereira what do you think of this jacked just jacked as shit is that robocop over there yeah i mean these aren't terrible um these are called uh touch and go deadlifts his arms are not fully extended he's kind of or maybe his arm is fucked up so he can't like straighten it fully um he's got the wrong shoes you know i'd have to see it more from the side but this is common where they just they were they they you're trying to stabilize and they destabilize it so it forces you to hold yeah that's pretty good hobo cop having fun right there on the right who's the other guy no say um yeah but this is that's a very common thing although he's his weight's a little bit too far forward actually i would say back it up a little bit but yeah true story true story
Starting point is 02:12:31 true story two days ago one of my sons is is becoming a workout a holic at the gym and he goes hey dad i'm gonna go work out goggin style i'm like so these are nordics so let's see if he can yeah these are nordics this is interesting. So he's doing the eccentric here, trying to just go down as slowly as possible. The really strong motherfuckers can start from their stomach and then without using their hands, just their hamstrings, pull themselves back. He's just doing the other version of it, but still very difficult to do. Very difficult. So, Luke, when my son says, Dad, I'm going to go work out Gog out goggins style and i'm like what does that even mean he goes full exhaustion every rep yeah that's not that's not how you get stronger that's how you that's that's not how you do it yeah and
Starting point is 02:13:15 then i looked at his youtube playlist it's like andrew tate versus goggins i'm like you got to get off of that stuff yeah you gotta you gotta give him some smarter choices you know what i mean there you go oh let's go to san fran It was a DAZN pay-per-view. Haney Progray. Luke, what did you make of the fit for the dream Devin Haney? Actually, it's weird, but I kind of liked it. He pulled it off. Okay, so I love the jacket mostly.
Starting point is 02:13:34 I mean, it looks kind of weird, but I don't mind the attempt. The shoes I love. They broke. Do you see that? They broke during the fight? They ripped off the one piece? Oh, I did not see that. Okay, at least from a style standpoint, the Nikes I love there.
Starting point is 02:13:46 The old school. I think they're old school Jordans or the Dunklos. I'm not even sure which ones they were. No, I think they're made to look like that, but they were debating on the broadcast. They didn't know what brand it was. The shorts, I didn't care for. It's like the end of a boxing glove when you kind of unloose the strings, you know? Yes.
Starting point is 02:14:01 So I liked it. It didn't work for me. I thought it was lame at first, but I thought he pulled it off. He's cooler than us, Luke, right right he's cooler than us by a million miles first of all that's not saying anything second of all that doesn't mean the look worked also like if he had if he had performed poorly you'd be like oh my god that's the worst look ever but he performed amazing so you kind of just look the other way you know well luke after the fight bill haney his dad aggressively called out tank dav. And then Devin got on the mic.
Starting point is 02:14:25 Let's hear him. Tank don't want to fight because if he really wanted to fight, then he would be trying to build up the fight. Instead of trying to knock it down or try to say, oh, I'm only selling because of this or because of that. If he really wanted to fight me, he would be making it that it's a big fight and it's the best fight for boxing. But he only talked down on the fight. But like I said, many times, they say everything, but let's fight. Tank and his team have consistently lied to the people. They created this narrative that because you make money or because you charge the people
Starting point is 02:15:02 some astronomical money for a fight that you know that the guy is going to lose stop letting tank and his team piss on your head and tell you it's rain with these with these fights these incidental fights you know what i mean the sand is for the culture wow luke that's a little strong it's a little heavy-handed i'd like to see a response from Team Tank to that. I would. Yeah, I mean, first of all, the Ryan Garcia fight did 1.2 million buys. People wanted to see that. No problem with that.
Starting point is 02:15:32 Isak Cruz was a late replacement. Let's not forget that. Also tough. Also went the distance with Tank. So, you know, it's a little bit unfair. All right. Well, Luke, on the undercard, Cuban prospect andy cruz the former gold medalist one of the greatest amateur this fucking guy of the modern era improved to 2-0 as a pro and got his first knockout so look it was a late replacement but just look at the handiwork
Starting point is 02:15:55 this guy is sublime this guy he's fighting has 30 pro fights was like 25 and 5 like 25 and 6 andy cruz for folks who don't know olympic gold medalist two-time world champion three-time pan-american champion all he does is collect gold medals this was his second pro bout and he looked incredible i can't wait to see him again trained by bozy ennis father of boots trained out of philadelphia i forget who it was it might have been sergio mora or chris Mannix on the broadcast. They were like, yo, this guy didn't go to South Florida after he left Cuba. No, he went to Philly.
Starting point is 02:16:30 He went to Philly. Indeed, man. Imagine him in boots just like, I know they're multiple weight classes apart, but having that iron to sharpen iron inside the ring has got to be something super special. Luke, after the performance from Andy Cruz, if you recall, he won the gold medal in the Olympics by beating American Keyshawn Davis, who's one of the top young boxing prospects. Eddie Hearn FaceTimed Keyshawn after the fight. Here's what happened. Hearn?
Starting point is 02:16:58 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm here watching football now, Eddie. Listen. Listen. What's up? You know I got love for you, but oh, my God. I'm here watching football now, Eddie. Listen. Listen. You know I got love for you, but oh, my God. Make sure you never fight Andy Cruz. Eddie, come on now, Eddie.
Starting point is 02:17:15 I'm a big Keyshawn Davis fan. I'm a big Keyshawn Davis fan. And I always got love. And you are. Listen, you are good. You are real good. But there's levels to this game, Keisha. Okay, we're going to talk about levels.
Starting point is 02:17:30 Okay, just know there's levels. There's certain levels in the amateur game. But when we go to pros, there's no more levels. I take it to the, there's no more levels. To be fair, there was levels in the amateur game. He beat you every time. It's like rules and regulations. It's like, it's rules and regulations.
Starting point is 02:17:49 I agree with what you say, but tonight was different. You watch it back. This kid's coming. This kid's coming. Hey, Eddie, I ain't going to do too much, but look, all I'm saying is I'm one of these ones that's really willing to fight, and you know that. Good, good.
Starting point is 02:18:04 I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. You know I'm a fan. You know I'm one of these ones that's really willing to fight and you know that I'm going to say that on loud you know I'm a fan it's going to be a big fight but I'm putting my house my company everything on an Andy Cruz win 2024 let's make it happen
Starting point is 02:18:17 let's do it 2023 we still got a few weeks left come on listen it's Haney Progray time live on the zone I'll catch you soon 2024 anytime baby let's go all right see you later yes sir look that's how you build a fight so they fought like I said for the gold medal Keyshawn took the silver let's get that rematch down the road that's gonna be fun by the way Keyshawn is also fucking spectacular.
Starting point is 02:18:46 He's a really good fighter, too. He's great. His brother's a good fighter, too, but he's great. Andy Cruz, by the way, Luke, he can also sing. Here's him at the post-fight press conference. Let's hear it. Let's get your review of this guy. Yeah, no me gusta. No me gusta.
Starting point is 02:19:16 Oh, you say stick to boxing? Okay. No gracias, no. He wants big names now, by the way. Let's keep it going here. We've got one more from boxing this weekend, and it might be the knockout of the year. Mark Magsayo, a PBC fighter,
Starting point is 02:19:29 took sort of a regional stay busy on the CBN promotion. Luke, this left hook knockout is insane. A T. Oh, for Magsayo. That kind of lit their answers with the laugh. This dude is tough. He does not want to trade with Mark Siles. Oh!
Starting point is 02:19:50 A huge KO! Oh! A huge uppercut! Jesus! Can we call that KO of the year right now, please? That was fucking ridiculous. Golly, dude. He had him moving in the wrong direction and then fucking flatlined him with that left hook golly damn all right let's celebrate america luke have you ever seen this shit before
Starting point is 02:20:15 oh wow right i can't stand these rednecks i can't i hate mullets let me let me just let me just explain something to everyone with a mullet it's like i love my mullet people are so proud of them dude every time i see that i know you've had your car repossessed like every time 100% car shirt though he's rocking right there i think we've played that before that's a that's a Hall of Fame redo right there. Let's check in on the elders, Luke. First, how about an elder win? This is something Dana White would never do, right? Look at Grandpa.
Starting point is 02:20:55 Yo, that's pretty great. That's pretty awesome right there. Shout out to that old timer, right? But if you're going to have a win, Luke, you're going to have to have a fail. Here's your daily dose of elder abuse. Let's see it. That doesn't look like elder abuse. No, that doesn't look like it.
Starting point is 02:21:13 Did I screw up here, Long Island Luke? Do we not have it? All right. Ooh, they're going to. Yeah, that's a tough one. Let me reset here. Can we pull this one? Let me reset here.
Starting point is 02:21:21 Okay. We may have had the upset and the fight of the year on Saturday. Main event, Pembroke Pines, Florida, outside of Miami. Top rank on ESPN. Can we pull this one? Let me reset here. Okay. We may have had the upset and the fight of the year on Saturday. Main event, Pembroke Pines, Florida, outside of Miami. Top rank on ESPN. Robesie Ramirez, who was a two-time Olympic gold medalist out of Cuba. One of the top amateurs of all time. But Luke, if you recall, lost his pro debut.
Starting point is 02:21:39 Went on a long win. The pro debut loss was huge upset. Almost Aaron Pico-like. Went on a huge run. won a featherweight title, and was a 15-1 run, oh, I'm sorry, betting favorite, 15-1 betting favorite on Saturday against unbeaten Mexican that no one has ever heard of, Rafael Espinoza. Luke, they know Rafael Espinoza now, mostly because he won the first five rounds on the judges' scorecards. And then in round seven, look at this comeback from Robesie Ramirez here.
Starting point is 02:22:11 The clip you just saw, we'll run it back one more time with context. Ramirez in the white, knocks him down in the closing seconds of the round. And by the way, Luke, this kid Espinoza is a 6'1 featherweight. 6'1, 126 pounds. Look at this. So he beats the count, Luke. Dude, are they fighting in a living room? Could that ring be smaller?
Starting point is 02:22:34 So let me tell you this. That's a 16 by 16 ring. That's insane. Which is the smallest you can legally put out for pro boxing. We've done 18 and 20- rings on showbox and we get pumped up and excited because it's going to be a band box and if you're looking for how big they go caleb plant if you remember pushed canelo to agree to a 24 foot ring when they fought on pay-per-view a couple years ago luke 16 by 16 is a closet so ramirez rallies he's the champion
Starting point is 02:23:02 by the way he's the minus 1250 favorite or whatever that was. But we go to the final round in an absolute war that was kind of shaping up to be the fight of the year. And watch how Espinosa finishes this off here. The taller fighter of the two. He has to do something. Espinosa sending him back against the ropes. Ramirez with the double. Espinosa scores the knockdown.
Starting point is 02:23:28 This could be a massive upset. The champ is in trouble. The two-time Olympic gold medalist against the little known rugged Mexican hopeful. He's in trouble right to the front of the bell.
Starting point is 02:23:52 Espinoza scores an incredibly dramatic and inspiring majority decision win. They did not screw him. And I want you to know something. When Ramirez walked to the ring here in suburban Miami, I have never heard a crowd pop for an arena that small like I have heard. Like the Cuban-American showed up and showed out for him. He gets dropped in the final round of an absolute war, wins a majority decision, and watch the celebration here from Espinosa. This is why this fight is so special.
Starting point is 02:24:23 And look at that. Sometimes it's still winning and losing, winning a world title, achieving your dreams, and walking through hell to get there. It still matters in this sport. If you have not seen this fight, search it out because it was absolutely incredible across the board. Yeah, I mean, again, I think he was a minus 1250 favorite, Ramirez. And by the way, his story is amazing. He fought on that. Remember the card between Inouye and Fulton that we we talked about like in july or whatever so i think ramirez
Starting point is 02:24:49 fought on that same card and it was around that time that he got reunited with his daughter who he hadn't seen since he defected from cuba in 2018 yes so he's got a hell of a story too man well here's another nugget for that story i I'll tell it quickly. They played a new video feature again on the Top Ring broadcast before the main event. Ramirez was two-time Olympic Cuban gold medalist. You know that Cuban system is legendary, but they don't want their fighters turning pro. They want them to stay amateur legends on the island for so long. Ramirez accuses the Cuban government while he was an amateur after he got the Olympic ring tattoo, which many aspiring amateur fighters do, giving them motivation to get gold. Luke,
Starting point is 02:25:29 he described himself as a bit of a rebel rouser who didn't listen. And he accused the Cuban government of taking him for a crude surgery in which they took the skin off on 75 percent of that tattoo and just stretched the rest of the skin skin so it's just a crude bruise with the bottom part of the tattoo still there as a message to show him who was really in charge the fighter or the government amateur system and he said that was the final straw that led him to leave the country overnight on a boat we know the story of so many cuban boxers doing that to come to the u.s soil or a lot of times they defect to me, but either way, dude, that story's so gnarly. Imagine that?
Starting point is 02:26:06 Wild, dude. Where are my elderly fails? Because right now we've not seen any of them. Alright, let's go to some great holiday gift ideas, Luke. Are you and your wife big wine fans? What do you think about this pour? I don't drink too much. That seems a little strong.
Starting point is 02:26:22 Okay. Okay, alright. I don't drink too much. That seems a little strong. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. We should be seriously like fuck podcasting, dude. Why aren't we selling stupid sex things to our audience? Like things like this, like a wine decanter shaped like a dick and balls.
Starting point is 02:26:40 You're like, we're already selling MK Jerkins. You might as go to the next level. Dude, what are we doing not getting in on this market we could be fucking rich speaking of sticking balls luke is this the greatest billiard shot of all time in your opinion watch this you ever see someone ride the rails like this okay what the fuck is this is this wizardry dude dude that's insane i don't even know what to say about that looks i i in the modern age of like ai and shit i can't even trust any of these things but if that's real it's incredible luke i don't know if bud light is woke or not but it's always tasted like piss to me and now yeah we know why yeah now we know why. Yeah, now we know why, right?
Starting point is 02:27:27 I mean, it makes sense, right? It just makes sense. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. I can see that. Long Island Luke revealing that he loves Bud Light. Not going to lie, he said. Nobody loves Bud Light.
Starting point is 02:27:38 No, no. Listen, listen, listen, listen. Nobody loves Bud Light. If you're saying that, it's a cry for help, okay? Luke, be careful when you do the family holiday picture this year because one shoe can ruin an entire family photo yeah that'll do it buddy you got a little hole in your shorts oh wait it's the shoe thought the guy had a good piece there for a second but no that's yeah just just that that you know just letting it all hang out all right time for your fails of the week let's get excited here okay let's do this it's
Starting point is 02:28:09 hammer time oh that is yeah look he tried to double pump and then he was like no that's not gonna happen there right to the old bag all right hey let's go to the classroom. A lot of good fails happen there. Oh, I was going to say, like, you know, my man is a little bit heavy set. That was a pretty good jump that he got there. But then, you know. Yeah, he had them moves shaking. All right. Let's see if the teacher can do any better.
Starting point is 02:28:45 Okay. Oh, there we go. Hi. To get above water. Not bad. To get above water. Not bad. Hot damn road.
Starting point is 02:28:57 Hey. Are you kidding me? Oh. You know, that guy's got a gross search history, too. Just the worst. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:29:10 He's into, like, Sarah J. or something. Look, the fails continue on the MMA regional scene. You've got to be careful entering the cage. This is obviously not a smart cage. Not at all. Okay, watch this. State of California. Get excited.
Starting point is 02:29:25 Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. No. I mean, what kind of cage doesn't open at the top? What are we doing? Right? Weird. All of them are that way.
Starting point is 02:29:34 Let's close the fail segment with some dancing BBLs. Nothing can go wrong here. Looks like a fun party, right? I wouldn't call these dancing BBLs. I'd just call them heavy set. Okay, look. take me down how did how are how are they in a party and then all of a sudden just get sucked into the sarlacc pit what happened there i don't know but i enjoyed it all right luke uh t-shirt of the week time i think you'd agree with me this guy's a real motherfucker right legalized mother son dude what the fuck is that
Starting point is 02:30:08 that's a casino slot machine luke all right casino fucking barnacle that just sit in these seats all day pulling those slots the worst scum of humanity ever all right right. Let's check in on Superman. Luke, would you take a sip? Okay. All right. My man's on roller skates, too. Look. Yeah, that's probably roller magic in Waterbury, Connecticut, one of the darkest places ever, Luke, but we all grew up there.
Starting point is 02:30:43 By the way, the account here is my favorite, FatFucksUnite. That's a great one. Look, your fight of the week comes from a hockey game, but not on the ice. Watch this. Okay, got some crackers scrapping here. Let's see what happens. Watch the guy in the black. By the way, this is minor league hockey, right?
Starting point is 02:31:02 Like, whatever this is. Yeah, this is probably college or minor league. Watch this guy right all right we're down we're down to two jan sixers they're fighting for freedom luke you know that you know that they're fighting to get a piece of pelosi's desk who do you think's gonna win this guess right now the guy who doesn't have the shirt over his head. All right, so another guy comes and breaks him up. Yeah, fuck y'all. Eat shit. Oh, buddy. Oh!
Starting point is 02:31:32 Dude, the smart rink. Dude, the smart rink won. Huh? The KO won for the smart rink. They're a hell of a fight. Dude, the smart rink beat his ass. Look at this. Bah!
Starting point is 02:31:43 See ya. Luke, you know how we used to always make that joke of, you know, keep your daughter off the pole, right? Well, be careful if she's an Arizona Cardinals fan, too. Let's hear this lady and her father. You know Matt Rife? Yeah, I know Matt. He follows you.
Starting point is 02:31:56 That's my buddy. Oh, my God. I love him. Tell him I want to get with him, too. Good Lord. I love Matt Rife. That's my daughter. That's a great comedian.
Starting point is 02:32:07 You got any more crushes you want to holler at? Joe Burrow? James Conner, Joe Burrow. Who else we got in there? Any big black linebacker. Hello, darkness, my old friend. Yeah, I love them all oh boy dad sorry dad that's that's great that's great dude how did his i mean does she it's not
Starting point is 02:32:34 like expressing sexual desire is quite normal for that age but like in front of your dad yeah if i did something like that in front of my mom she would have hit me with a fucking broom you know yes that's specifically too of of position and race luke that's interesting i know she didn't If I did something like that in front of my mom, she would have hit me with a fucking broom, you know? Yes. That specifically, too, of position and race, Luke, that's interesting. I know. She didn't say black quarterback. She was like linebacker. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:32:52 Yeah. Let's close with some fart play. Luke, you like to crop dust in the first class section of airplanes, but you never consider the person who has to deal with your blast. Maybe you'll change your tune after this. Service announcement to anyone who farted in my face while going up, like, up from the subway steps. Fuck you, and I hope, I literally hope that your butthole, I hope that your mouth becomes your butthole. It won't, sweetie, so keep breathing it in. All right, let's go to the, let's go to the fart store.
Starting point is 02:33:26 There's some good jokes in here. Let's watch this skit. You're going to get on your knee like this, just all you have to do. Okay. Ready? Can I touch your head? Do I have permission? Uh-uh.
Starting point is 02:33:38 You little motherfucker. Oh, wait, no, I'm sorry. It was a joke. Luke, I don't know if you heard the audible fart that he let out, but that's a great prank. I saw one prank bit where this guy goes around and, like, goes right up to someone and makes, like, very explicit eye contact with him and then has, like,
Starting point is 02:33:55 a 10 or 15-second just unending fart. It gets real awkward. Look, let's close with this. You ever have that awkward moment when, like, the dishwasher's full with dirty dishes but mom is sick and there's no utensils and you go to heat up your dinner and there's no forks and you're like do i use a spoon or a spork or a knife what do i do i've got a solution and it comes from the third world that's the most horrifying thing i've ever seen
Starting point is 02:34:21 look you got to make do with what you have okay and i and i i award i have to tell you i have to tell you on the one hand i'm amazed by the um grossness of it and yet also intrigued at just how sharp it is that it can slice through meat quite so nimbly that is this fucking gross piece of shit has a talon not not nails. I wonder if he could perform surgery in a pinch, Luke. With that toenail, you never know. I think he could have performed surgery on your ball bag more nimbly than the guy who did. Thank you very much. That's my shit of the week, Luke.
Starting point is 02:34:55 I hope it lived up to expectations. It was all right. You were like, it's the best one ever. It's not the best one ever. It was good, but it wasn't the best one ever. Wow, what a wild show, Luke. Two and a half hours plus. You had a lot of reviews.
Starting point is 02:35:04 It's been a long one, so let's wrap up here because my daughter's also chomping at the bit. She and a half hours plus. You had a lot of reviews. It's been a long one. So let's wrap up here because my daughter's also chomping at the bit. She was sick at home. I got to take care of her. Let's see. YouTube.com slash Morning Combat for the UFC 296 pregame preview. It's up now. Go get it.
Starting point is 02:35:17 Go get it. Also, BC, how about my interview with Shavkat Rachmaninoff? We talked about eating horse meat. Huh? Yo, how about that right there? Dude, you did a lot of traffic for a interview with a fighter who needed a translator. I gotta commend you. I watched that.
Starting point is 02:35:32 That was really interesting. Yeah. Hey, my wife is calling me, so I really need to get going. You should go. I'll close off the show. Let's remind everyone. YouTube.com slash Morning Combat. You can email the show morningcombat at gmail.com. There's the social. You get the whole notion. I gotta go gmail.com. There's the social. You get the whole notion.
Starting point is 02:35:46 I got to go. All right. For BC, I'm LT. This has been MK. We love you. We'll see you on Wednesday. And until then, may all your gains be loyal.

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