MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Usyk vs. Fury Recap & Fallout, Paul vs. Tyson Media Tour, Weekend MMA | Full Ep | Morning Kombat

Episode Date: May 20, 2024

MK is back for your Monday dose of combat sports talk. Luke and BC are live with a full recap of Oleksander Usyk's massive win over Tyson Fury in a historic heavyweight fight .How shocking was it to see Usyk, the smaller man, repeatedly walk down Fury? The guys shares how they scored it. Should Usyk have a rightful claim above Inoue/Crawford/Canelo in P4P top 10 given he overcame 40 pounds to defeat Fury? What to expect in the rematch. Plus, the Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson media tour rolled on. What did two-city press tour and announcement of loaded main card (Taylor-Serrano II, Till-Chavez, Sylve-Schofield) teach us about how big this fight truly is? Also, a recap of all MMA action from the weekend. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell. This is Morning Combat. Oh, freaking yeah. Get fired up, right? Monday, May 20th, 2024.

And you have stopped in on the award-winning best damn combat sports show maybe that there ever was. I'm talking about Morning Combat. Luke Thomas, Brian Campbell. Luke, if this is how good boxing can be a couple days after Usyk versus Fury, then I don't want to come back down from this cloud. It's taken me all this time to find out what I need. I hope you get hit by a drunk driver on the way home. And what I need is more Bush in my life. Clearly.

Not the president. Okay. Not the rock band. Luke Thomas, how are you on this monday morning manhattan metal lark studios dude my sport on fire on fire in a historic way i've got some stats to show a little bit later i hope they're nerdy af they just illuminate that the it's so true the period we're in right now starting with last last year, so I'll say all of 2023, first half of this year, I know it's not quite half the year,

but basically the first half of the year, boxing has been absolutely on fire, and with no signs of letting up. We were supposed to get Better Beef and Bivvall on June 1st. We'll still get Wilder, and we can talk about this later, but I just mean banger after banger, after banger, after banger.

You can't say Wilder versus without saying banger. Cause it's big bang Zhang across from him. And as you already know, with Alabama and Chinese power coming together, we're going to bang each other. We are here to bang each other, each outer, each outer.

There you go right there. Luke, forgive me for being this excited on this Monday morning here. I got up at 4.20 to get in here today. 3.15, 3.15 a.m. Wow, I took that 5.11 train out of Hartford. Why did you get here so early? I think the 5.26 was sold out.

What time does that get you here? 8. Gets me here at 8. So you get to the studio at what, like 8.30? Yes. Why don't you just leave a little bit later? Well, you know, I went to the cafe around the corner, finished my research, watched some fights.

You know, that's how it went down. But I'm just so damn fired up to be here with you folks. So damn fired up to be here talking about this great sport. A great show, obviously, for you today. A lot of it will be Usyk versus Fury in the fallout from the first four-belt undisputed championship. We'll talk about those nub-ass UFC fights. We'll talk about PFL tour.

And of course the breaking news that's going all around. We'll check in on all things, Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul, as we get closer to July 20th, but forgive me for just sitting here, just high as balls on, on the box. You know what I'm saying?

It's so good right now. It's, it's, I'm not even doing a bit. It's, it's historically good right now. It's so good. I'm not even doing a bit. It's historically good right now. This 18-month stretch, whatever you want to call it, is as good and consistent as I have seen boxing certainly since I was in high school. Certainly.

What do you say to those fans that complain, we need chapters so that we can avoid the boxing talk so we can get right to the MMA? I mean, I can't. I'm being dead serious. I'm not here to poo-poo the UFC fights in the sense that UFC was not putting its best foot forward. It was just putting on fights.

Main event was fine. Main event was good. Lerone Murphy did a great job. And there was a couple, Adrian Yanez getting back to the winner's circle. We had the first TKO via boob punch in UFC history. There you go. And then there was a headbutt, which was one of the more interesting things that happened on the prelim card.

I realize the UFC is not putting its best foot forward. I'm not making an apples to apples comparison. But I'm just saying, if you actually like what makes good fights big and good and interesting, I don't even know how it's possible to deny what boxing is doing right now. If that upsets you as an MMA fan, then it upsets you as an MMA fan. Deal with it. Yeah, Saudi Santa Claus is on fire.

But it's not even just them. I mean, go back to 2023. What were some of the bigger fights? Noya Inouye. PBC. Noya Inouye was not a big fight for a Saudi. Spence versus Crawford, which was July of last year,

not a Saudi thing. Canelo, Charlo, Benavidez, Plant. And also, how about you had Chantel Cameron. Yes. And Katie Taylor. Katie Taylor. That was a double unification in the sense for her. That also happened in November of 2023. None of that was Saudi.

So there is a Saudi component. Yeah. But the whole point is it's not just that. There's a lot of factors that are affecting it. I believe all journalists have lived since Saudi have entered boxing. No bone saw deaths that I know of. You can like and subscribe. So please be aware of what we're doing here.

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All right. Enough booty going on. Let's get into it. I want to see some of that on. Have you seen BC's feces? I know that that is also coming along with your DMS, but let's get into topic. Number one.

What else are we going to talk about? It went down in Saudi Arabia on Saturday. God, Riyadh season is going to last all year long at this point because Saudi brought the goods. The first four belt undisputed heavyweight fight in boxing history. The first undisputed heavyweight fight at all on the title level since 1999. And oh, by the way, Alexander Usyk becomes just the third man joining

Niowa Inouye and Terrence Crawford to go undisputed four belt champions in two weight divisions in this modern era. Lot to get into, but first and foremost, Luke Thomas, Usyk rallies to score a knockdown in round nine, goes on to edge out Fury on the scorecards. First and foremost, how shocking was it

to see the smaller man not fight like the smaller man, walk Tyson Fury down, and really come that close to finish him in the biggest fight on paper in a long-ass time? It's amazing. In the long and decorated career of Oleksandr Usyk, I'm not... The biggest fight on paper in a long-ass time. It's amazing. In the long and decorated career of Oleksandr Usyk, I'm not... Well, it's not that long. 22 fights, right?

Well, I mean, if you add in, he's got nearly 400 amateur fights. 335 in 15, I believe, is his amateur record. European champion, world champion, Olympic champion, and now cruiserweight undisputed and heavyweight undisputed. The guy just consistently finds ways to win. You know, what's amazing to me is someone else can probably give a better answer. But what I will say is I do think that this fight with Fury is so special for so many reasons. In part because Fury brought it.

But the other part, BC, is that it might be one of Usyk's best performances. And by that I mean faced with a very difficult challenge through six rounds, really could not break through. I know he won a couple of the rounds early. I gave him one and two. I gave Fury three through seven. I gave Fury three through six,

but that three through six slash seven territory is really where Fury began to shine. And it was after that, that Usyk began to make adjustments, figure it out, and then basically run away with it. Although I do give Fury credit for not only answering the count, I did give him the 12th round as well.

So what I mean to say is this was so special. This is a guy, and I got to give credit to Steven Breadman Edwards, BC, who has been consistently a believer in Usyk, but has said all along, it's not that every round you go in there and he's the best guy that round.

And it's not that you can watch a fight and he's got the most, you know, Noe has a very aesthetically pleasing, very powerful style. He doesn't exactly have that either. He chopped at the tree, just kept chopping at it. But that, he's consistently just bangs the drum until he gets through and more to

the point when it's time to win whether it's a round or a turning point in a fight when you have to begin to start stacking w's and make a change he can't be stopped the mental focus discipline and toughness is next and the belief in himself as well, because again, the first six, seven, whatever rounds you want to say, some of those uppercuts from Fury were devastating. I thought for a minute there, he was going to run away with it. Look, we rewatched a lot of fights of both fighters leading up to this fight.

I rewatched the Dillian White one, which is one of Tyson Fury's most solid, straight to start to finish performances. Those same uppercuts that he knocked Dillian White cold with, Usyk was taking, shaking off. And he's not known for having the most rock-solid chin ever, meaning you can hurt Usyk as a heavyweight.

But the discipline, the backbone to bite down. I mean, look, I had him losing rounds three through seven. And did you see in the corner? Originally, he was accused of sniffing uh you know uh some form of ammonia or something yeah ammonia or maybe like a asthma type of thing it turns out it was a crucifix that they offered him between round seven and eight and said you want the crucifix usik said yes he kissed it that brought him to another level in which he comes out in round eight and starts to really walk down fury and put it on him. And then round nine is where he nearly finishes him and scores that knockdown,

which was an improbable turn. I would say great fights have ebbs and flows and constant adjustments back and forth. This fight had that, but that comeback, when rounds three through seven, we saw him looking like the smaller man getting beat up by the bigger man who could not miss with those right uppercuts. Could not miss with those hooks and uppercuts to the body. Yet Usyk bit down. And I don't want to over romanticize the moment of kissing the crucifix, but it shows you what's at stake.

He's fighting for a country. He's fighting for his God. He's fighting for so many things. We said coming in, it was the mental focus of Uusik that may be one of the hardest things Fury's going to have to overcome. Yet, what do we know Fury as? A guy that no matter what,

he's a gamer. He figures out a way to win fights against anybody, whether it's a cut against Valine, whether Wilder drops him a bunch of times. Dude, he met his match at the end of this heavyweight video game. And it was a guy who certainly needed to be next level skilled, quick footwork, variety of punches. But it was almost the will.

Because, Luke, you know how Usyk really won this fight? With constant pressure that never allowed Fury to rest at any point. He overcame the type of shots that knock other heavyweights out. And he walked down and nearly finished the ultimate bully. The ultimate. Six foot nine with the speed of a middleweight. I don't even think like, forget the history of the four belts, just what this smaller man giving up 40 pounds, six inches in height, seven inches of reach,

what he was able to do when the chips were down, when it was, you're blowing it, son, you are losing this fight. The momentum is going in the other direction. For him to dig in there, this is why we get into the Rocky movies. It was almost a movie-like moment of like, he's coming back. He refuses to lose. It was

almost like when you see Hulk Hogan hulking up in the WWE matches back in the day. Just like that. Right before he dropped a lot of N-words, unfortunately. I mean, that was just really just a dark moment in combat sports history. But seriously, Luke, I have never seen on this level in a while, this type of just bite down and figure it out. You know, he won with skill, but it was that pressure. It was that daring nature. He walked into there. He didn't out slick fury. He walked in there, went straight on,

had a fist fight and was the bigger man in the end, even though he was smaller in every single physical category. I do think that he, there was some outsmarting that went with that. Certainly some just, you know, these guys were adjustment, adjustment, adjustment, adjustment. And then Fury, excuse me, Usyk was able to pull ahead a little bit. So like, for example, he was able to step out and then you could see Fury trying to uppercut across his body. Even if it landed, it had nothing on it. The big one for me, he constantly kept lead outside foot position. He would get it deep and he would force Fury to peel out to that same side. And his feet would get jumbled all up.

When Fury is standing like this, he can do all of the head and shoulder and trunk movement. But when he's backpedaling and his feet are crossing up, he can't move. So he'd force him to peel out and then crack him every time. So this is what I mean, like creating situations. But the thing you're highlighting is also correct. The willingness to march him down is what creates that. The willingness to believe that you can hurt him when at first you couldn't. You were tagging him to the body.

It was having no effect. Not known as a puncher. Not known as a puncher. And never really been a guy who's like one punch KO'd him. He's rocked guys before, but you get the idea. Staying in his face. And I want to point out something too. The big shot in round nine, that left that comes over the top, if you actually

pay attention to it, it's Fury kind of touching, touching, touching, touching. You don't see it on the replay. Usyk has to eat a fairly big punch in order to deliver that. So it's the willingness to be like, I've got to get this close to a guy, and I've got to let him throw because he doesn't bring his hands back. I've got to eat that.

And then on top of it, slam a shot home. Dude, it is skill. It is will. It is belief. It is everything that makes up. And let's be clear about this. BC, as I mentioned, European champ, world champ, Olympic gold medalist, obviously unified a cruiser and now unified at heavyweight.

And the cruiser class, we should say this, the cruiser class that he unified against is arguably the best cruiser class in history. We're going to go back to the highlight in a second. Let me just finish. So one of the best cruiser classes in history. We're going to go back to the highlight in a second. Let me just finish. So one of the best cruiser classes in history, then he goes up and he didn't just beat like reasonably sized heavyweights. Two times, Anthony Joshua,

Daniel Dubois, and now Tyson Fury. This fucking guy is one of the best to ever lace up the gloves. Put some respect on that man's name. What else would we ask of a great fighter to go into a fight that you're the underdog? Granted, the odds were close, but he was the underdog since the beginning that we ever sniffed out this fight. And walk in there and win it in that fashion. In which, like I said, I'm not trying to discount and say there wasn't thought process put into this or craft.

Obviously, the constant adjustments he made was brilliant. But you had to mix that with a daring nature where at some point Usyk made that decision that if I'm going to lose this fight, I'm going to lose it having walked into hell and given my best put forward and walk down the bigger man. So I'm glad you mentioned about the Cruiserweight class because you get some people going, okay, cool about Usyk, but like, who did he beat at Cruiserweight? Terrence Crawford is in the same boat historically where he has two four belt undisputed division titles holders in his class. No one's going to say anything about welterweight because of what he did to Errol Spence in the biggest fight, but not, not Crawford's fall.

He became the undisputed champion at 140 in an absolute dead era for 140. I mean, he beat Julius Ndongo who had two belts. You're like, who, who's that? Right. I mean, it's really into the body. Right. Yeah. And like, it was not a killer division. What Usyk did at cruiserweight, what he did in that world boxing super series and the fights before and after it which includes the knockout of Tony Bellew which was his last cruiserweight fight he literally went through the top seven in the division he literally went through unbeaten champion Myrus Bredis in the semi-finals of that tournament which was a split decision one of the fights of the year

he then goes in there gets unbeaten Murat Gostiev who was the killer of that weight class and just dances circles around him had he he danced circles around Fury, we would go, okay, man, turns out Usyk was even more brilliant than we thought, this heavyweight Lomachenko. But again, I want to go back to that point. He didn't do it by dancing circles around. He walked through there and hurt and nearly stopped the bigger man. So Long Island, Luke, if we can go back to that highlight one more time, there is a point of contention here on how Mark Nelson, the referee, handled it. Luke, are you

okay with the way this was handled? That the fight wasn't stopped and that Nelson would rule that the ropes held Fury up. So no standing eight count. It was actually ruled a knockdown because of the final fall coming up. Could this, should this have been stopped in your eyes? So I think in general, Mark Nelson made the right call.

What you have to ask yourself is, and I looked up several jurisdictions. There's the knockdown. I looked up Nevada. I looked up the ABC guidance. I looked up Ohio, any state that had their regulations online. And they all word it slightly differently. They say that you are allowed to call it a knockdown

if the ropes are the only thing preventing them from falling. 100%. Right. And there's different ways they word it. So on that level, I have no problem with the knockdown. The question you have, the calling it a knockdown. The question you have to ask yourself is, could he have called it a little bit earlier?

In which case Tyson Fury would have beaten the count in all likelihood. And, but there would have been more time in the round for Usyk to continue the attack. I don't have an opinion on that because I don't know what the best practices are among referees. I will say this by the letter of the law, I don't have anything to complain about with what the referee did. That doesn't mean that couldn't have been done a little bit better. Well, I'll say this. Could he have been justified in stopping it right when Fury collapsed into the corner when the knockdown was called?

Could he have just stopped it there? Yes, he could have. We've seen way worse stoppage. Remember Tyson versus Ruddock, a great two fight series on Showtime pay-per-view in the early 90s with Donovan Razor Ruddock. The first one was very controversially stopped on the ropes after Tyson hurt him with a big punch. But Luke, had they done that, it would have been fine.

But I'm actually here to tell you, I think Mark Nelson got it right. Because what do we actually want in a heavyweight title fight this big when you have someone like Fury who has a history of getting hurt and getting up off the canvas? Think the Wilder fights. Think the Ngannou fight. I'm actually glad that they gave him that leash because i don't necessarily want one big surge and where the guy doesn't even go down and then the fights just stopped i want to give tyson fury that chance so i'm actually glad that he allowed usic the chance to finish him

usic didn't then he ruled the rut and rut knockdown which was rightfully so the corner ropes held him up and then you give fury 10 seconds to beat it i don't like when people just wave it off give the fighter the 10 seconds to beat it in a fight this big. He did that. Again, could you have stopped it in that sequence? You could have, but I think there would have been a lot of talk about, hey, man, he didn't even hit the canvas. Premature.

Yes, it would have amped up the rematch. The rematch is already amped up. We already need to stop everything and see this fight. Mike Coppinger of ESPN is reporting that October 12th is the targeted rematch. And even though initially Usyk's manager put it out there, Alex, I'm sorry, his promoter, Alex Krasik put it out there that he had a broken jaw. They thought it was a broken jaw. Usyk denied medical attention, didn't go to the hospital until after the press conference.

They found out he'll be fine in a week, no break. Okay. But he had to walk through hell to endure this and to get his hand raised. I mean, I don't want to do anything else, but just sit here and be like, holy shit. This is the type of fight. This is the type of setting foundation with the stakes. And this is the type of performance that makes boxing fans for life. Heavyweight has always been the gateway drug, whether it's the Rocky movies, whether you

came in under Mike Tyson or you came in under Ali Frazier in the 70s or you came in under Lennox Lewis and Holyfield in the 90s. Heavyweight is the imprint on your brain. Great heavyweight championship boxing. That is it's the greatest drug we have in this world. It's the greatest thing. Look, this was a return to that. I know we've had pieces of it over the years. Klitschko versus Joshua was a great fight.

The Wilder Fury series had drama throughout it, but none of those fights were as important as this one and to just I feel like the sport was revived I feel like like like this is the best case scenario it's almost as if this fight like wasn't as commercially big as it should have and then we were like yeah but there's potential it could be this boring chess match we're living in an era well first of all both guys brought it which is kind of what you're highlighting. That's what you want. Right, both guys brought it. But also, the Saudis are getting better at making live shows.

Yes. This one was still long, but it wasn't as long. The pageantry and the pomp and circumstance is worth it, I think. The guy rapping ahead of time was a little much for me. I'm told that was a great get. I'm not into hip music. I'm not saying it's a bad get. It didn't do anything for me.

But again, I'm not talking about it. Not enough Shakira. Well, I mean, they would just, you know, they'd be cutting her head let's be honest about that but the point i'm trying to make is uh fine it wasn't overly completely ridiculous like it was for fury and gone it was a little bit smoother but i just want to make a point if i can we were talking before bc about how this moment in time in boxing, like very disgruntled MMA fans, here's how special this is. This was the first time in the four belt era we had a unified champion at heavyweight,

or undisputed, I should say. I want to make a point. Here are all of them, right, who have ever won in the four belt era a undisputed title. Bernard Hopkins did it in September of 2004. Jermaine Taylor did it in July of 2005. Josh Taylor did it in May of 2021.

Canelo Alvarez did it in November of 2021. Jermall Charlo did it in May of 2022. Devin Haney did it in June of 2022. But listen to this. Terrence Crawford, Oleksandr Usyk, and Naoya Inouye, plus Katie Taylor have all done two of those. Yes. Two of those in a 10 month span. We are talking about a moment in time where we have across both genders and a

numerous weight classes with very different styles and different ways to win all time. Greats first ballot hall of famers turning in motherfucking epic performances that you need to see again, that you need to see against credentialed opposition for all the fucking marbles. If you're asking why people are so jazzed about boxing right now, we are in the middle of what can only be described as historically amazing shit.

That's why. I love this shit. Let's talk about the scoring of the fight. I scored it six rounds to six. Then you get the extra bonus point for Usyk getting the knockdown in round nine. So that's 114-113 Usyk on my card. How did you score it? So I think I gave—some of these are very close, especially rounds one through three or one one and two in particular i think you know and i was watching and trying to

do like a stream at the same time so but to the best of my approximation i think i had seven rounds to five or six so with the knockdown that would be 115 112 for him i think I gave him one, two, and then seven, eight, nine, 10. And then I think I gave him 11 as well. And then I give fury, uh, three, four, five,

six, 12. Okay. The only difference is I gave, I didn't think I'd one round off of you and I gave it to you. Seven. I think you had seven, uh,

you may be a little bit different. Do you think six, by the way, it's fine. Yeah. I think seven, five, it was six or six,

six within the knockdown is fine. You think seven five usic or six six within the knockdown is fine you love it because unlike let's say haney lomachenko which was a great fight in a close fight and it's not a robbery that haney won that it's just that the majority of observers thought that lomachenko done enough in this fight the majority of observers thought that usic did enough obviously it helps with the round nine knockdown even though it's only worth one bonus point but luke do you think there would have been issue with a draw or a close Fury win? Was it that type of fight where it really could have been a flip a coin either way

in your eyes? It would have been one of those. I mean, dude, you had an MMA, and again, it's different because you have different kind of incentive for rooting structure, but people thought because of the knockdown, and he overperformed, and Ngannou had beaten Fury, but there's a way to look at that under boxing criteria and do what you did, and it's like, no, Fury actually won that.

To have that happen two times in a row, and granted, I know Gano won the exhibition, the whole nine yards, whatever. But to have that happen to, fans at the end of that, it seemed to me were like, don't you dare steal that from Usyk. Don't you do it. Don't you steal from the guy who was the smaller guy

who knocked the other guy down, who maybe could have gotten a stoppage with a different referee, who surged in the second half. Don't you steal this from him. And I do feel like that would have been correct. And if you had gotten the opposite, you know, people would have been like, listen. That would have been so boxing if Fury won.

That's exactly right. Because what happened was you were like, yes, yes, this guy beat the game. He beat the system. This is how it's supposed to go. And if the opposite had happened, you'd be like, fucking boxing one more time steals from a guy. I'm talking about this is just a perfect storm right now. It's all lining up. I mentioned that Usyk was fighting not just for himself, but like he's a guy who always in the interviews will say it's not about the money or the glory.

I'm only here for the competition, for the riches that come of accomplishing, which he's a guy who always in the interviews will say it's not about the money or the glory i'm only here for the competition for the riches that come of accomplishing which he's all about but it was obviously for the country which elevates it it was also the personal relationship of having lost his father which became a big part of his motivation apparently there's been a string of his father appearing in his dreams the night before the fights and then this was the first time his dad didn't i think think there was a, or her dad did, but told him in the dream, I don't need to be with you. Usyk addressed this in a very emotional post-fight interview that I want to throw to you now.

For me, it hurts when my father comes for me because I remember all my life. I know he is here. Maybe like after I know he's here. Maybe, like, after she's here. So, Luke, I think what he's trying to say is his dad normally would come into his dreams the night before. This time, the dad came in and said, I don't need to visit you here.

You got this. You know, you can. And I don't know if you saw in the ring his post for interview which was translated not to the main broadcasting but to a secondary one he looked up they said what would you say to you what do you think your dad's saying now and he said dad you told me i can i did dude this is just like this is like pantoja level reaction of just like on top of doing it for your country for the history that personal relationship of his late father just beyond touching it makes him a sympathetic character in his entire story and everything about it um his nationality obviously is a difficult

time for his country i mean everything about it like boxing doesn't get a ton of feel-good stories folk heroes and especially at high levels like this this is the highest level this is all the marbles and you still got something like it. And I've said it before too, you know, everyone's going to be different, but losing a parent broke me, broke me completely. And I know people have said, yeah, it's been years since he died. Like, you know, what's the, what's the issue? I'm like, well, first of all, like that grief just doesn't leave you.

He looked at me and there's time. I mean, he can really barely talk at times and more to the point, you know, it's kind of funny. I've had, you know, my mom's been dead 21 years. I've had one dream where she showed up just, just one, just one. So for him and I've been haunted by her death, but not like in my dreams. So for him to be seeing his dad in his dreams, I cannot overstate to you. I don't know if it's unusual. I don't, i guess everyone's going to be different i'm just saying that's a lot to deal with to see your dead parent in your dreams and have an interaction with them it's not a normal thing well he's been living on the hope of what his dad told him before he died that you can do this you can become undisputed heavyweight champion one day so to see that come full circle with this victory i'm just saying

he's trying to manage all of the emotions of that. And then also go fight Tyson Fury. That's a tall order. And for anybody that doesn't know, when we talk about his biggest heavyweight wins, which are so over the top and they matter in this twice against Anthony Joshua, once against Fury in all three fights,

he had to take big punishment. Like people don't realize I went back and rewatched the first AJ fight and AJ did a lot better than I remember, right? Both fights were close-ish in the scoring. Dude, AJ was, although we criticized him for not walking down and aggressively trying to body Usyk, in fact, he came out and tried to outskill him. There were counter shots that were knockout punches

that Usyk was just forced to take. Just like in this fight with those uppercuts in rounds three, four, and five. It's again, it's not just the sublime skill. It's that this is what you want out of your heavyweight championship of the world, like courage to go in there and do stuff like that. It's just remarkable. I do want to talk about Fury. There was some debate whether he was still concussed in the post-fight interviews because he said, what did he say he said happy new year to everybody and then there's this comment which came across somewhat controversial

let's listen to it first of all i want to thank my lord and savior jesus christ for his fantastic fight with alexander um i believe i won that fight i believe he won a few of the rounds but i won majority of them and i believe it was uh what can you do one of them things decisions in boxing and we both put on a good fight best we could do and you know his country's at war so people are siding with the country at war but make no mistake i will not fight in my opinion and i'll be back so that's that's the point of contention there the whole like you know they were very he was very humble and the fact that he hugged usik after kissed him on the forehead they had a very nice sort of you know know, respect moment.

Then you pile on with, well, he only got the decision because we're in wartime. Crass, sore loser or concussed guy in the moment dealing with his first defeat in a legendary fight that really could have been scored either way to some degree. I don't think you can find seven rounds for Tyson Fury. I don't think you can find seven rounds for Tyson Fury. I don't think you can find six. You cannot find seven. Um, but I, I, I'm not going to change my rule. My rule is that dude got his shit rocked in that fight in that ninth round, not by just one shot, but by other ones. And God only knows I'm not going to judge him for that. Now, if he comes out and doubles down on it in a subsequent interview, when he is not fresh off of getting his brain rattled, that's a different story for me, BC.

I think the bigger question, though, is not so much that, and we'll talk about where this all goes in just a minute. Why am I expected to believe that Tyson Fury being 35 is worth us discounting what he's physically capable of when Usyk did this at 37? I would say I get what your point is. I don't sit here and put an asterisk on when I'm about to ask you the question I'm about to ask you in the natural flow of this rundown, which is at 35, is Fury compromised? Did he prove that he's passed his prime to a level that, you know, would the four years ago Fury have won this fight, have stopped Usyk in that moment? I'm not going to hold that against him, but to answer your question,

he's taken more physical damage in his pro career. Usyk only had 22 pro fights. He had 350 amateur fights, which are three-round fights, a lot of times with headgear before they change the rules. I'm not saying there isn't a physical accumulation there, but it is different. Fury, for example, has been in a few absolute wars. I mean, all three Wilder fights, or the first and the third, for example, he was dropped a total absolute wars. I mean, all three Wilder fights, or the first and the third, for example, you know, he was dropped a total of four times.

He got dropped by Ngannou. He's been in there with some big hitters. Is he still the same guy, Luke Thomas? I'm not saying this as an excuse. I'm not saying this to downgrade Usyk's victory. In fact, I'm about to tell you in segment two how I think Fury can win the rematch. But did he lose this because of a miscalculation or did he lose this because he couldn't keep up the face of the pace of Usyk? And even though Usyk is two years older, he was actually the fresher fighter. We shall find out.

All right. Let's go to topic. So you don't. So is that how much stock do you put in? I'm really, I'm literally asking you how much. I just don't have an answer because I, everyone made a big deal out of the fact that he was 35.

And I'm like, Usyk is older. Now he's smaller. So therefore, I guess it's less weight to carry. Your prime happens at different times. Sure. But we're not talking about a vast disparity. And then one guy is, yes, everyone's different. And Fury has had a bit more of a blood and guts kind of style or at least fight results.

Fine. That's okay. And I can believe that it has some effect, but 35 is not old for, certainly for MMA heavyweights, granted, different sport. Not old for boxing heavyweights either. I do think that Fury has lost a little bit of a step.

I do think that is true, whether that's a combination of factors, age, damage, motivation. Ballooning up and down in weight. Ballooning up and down in weight. And then of course, he had to hold that time off. That's going to derail him potentially a little bit early.

By the way, the payout for this was supposed to be, I think, $46 million for Usyk, $102 million for Fury. Just an astronomical amount of money. Hey, that beats 12 and 12, right? Maria Agapova, UFC flyweight. Talk about she's going to be homeless in a week. I mean, okay, neither here nor there. I guess what I'd just like to say is, it makes

for me, it's hard to know the answer to that one. I think there is some reason for admitting Fury is not at his peak, peak, peak. However, I don't want to take anything away from Usyk because I do believe that Fury fought well, rallying

into the 12th. You've got to give him credit. It brought drama to the fight. Final point. Fury also could have fought Usyk three years ago after he knocked out Dillian White or two years ago, whatever it was, and chose to elongate this process. Yeah. And again, Usyk's already the older guy.

So, all right. Let's talk about what's going to happen next, though, BC. ESPN's Mike Coppinger reporting from Saudi Arabia that the rematch, as you indicated, is set for October 12th. There is, of course, a rematch clause. Fury indicated that he wanted to do that, although he walked it back a little bit at the press conference. Again, probably just feeling like, I want to take a break, so we'll see. But that's the tentative date. BC, question for you.

Just how much could we expect the rematch to look different from this one? Look, we have to remember that Fury came oh so close to actually winning it. In fact, he said in the post-fight press conference afterwards that if I could do it all over, I would have finished him after I hurt him in the middle rounds. But at the same time, you can say coulda, shoulda, woulda. I think he was also

trying to balance the gas tank because a key part of this strategically was Usyk pushing that pace on him. But Luke, if there's criticism against Fury, and I think there is in terms of how he handled the fight overall, he allowed Usyk into his living room. He willingly backed up to the ropes a lot of times and tried almost a rope a dope. And I know he was looking to line up big counter shots. I'm sure he wasn't trying to match Usyk punch for punch. But by not establishing that jab, look, he had great rounds

with the jab in the middle rounds after he hurt Usyk, but the jab in the early part and the last part wasn't there as a consistent weapon. I think when Fury goes back to the drawing board, he might want to have the same discussion that we thought Anthony Joshua should have had after the first one, when he changed trainers between the first

two fights and we thought, look, you went in there and tried to outbox the master Usyk in the first fight. It's almost like Canelo going in there and trying to outbox Floyd, which he did in 2013 and learned a really hard lesson. You know what I mean? That you're not going to beat him with your plan A. Floyd's the greatest wizard ever. Well, from a heavyweight standpoint, Usyk is that wizard right now.

You can't do what Joshua did, which is just say, okay, I'm going to come back and make a couple of little alterations and get in better shape. I think that outside of the fact that you could say Yuri's gas tank struggled a bit, and maybe he should come in even better shape. I'm wondering if the flip-flop argument is true. I wonder if we see a fury that comes in, not at two 67, but closer to his highest weight ever in the high two seventies.

And instead says, look, I got backed up and cornered repeatedly by the smaller man who actually almost knocked me out and walked me down in this fight. I can't have that happen again. Luke, it's different when we have certain fighters who don't like when we're asking Anthony Joshua to maybe be somebody he isn't fight on the inside mall, lean on, do all that stuff.

That's actually not really who Joshua is. Joshua stands at the mid range and likes to counter you with heavy shots. But I think if Fury is going to win this rematch, I would advise him to put on a little bit more weight. That doesn't mean be in worse shape, be in better shape, but put on a little bit more weight and be that bigger man. And that dirtier man that we thought he would be in the first round in the

first fight, because I don't think it's humbling to look in the mirror and say, I tried to outbox the smaller fighter and the smaller fighter, only outboxed me, he walked me down and hurt me. But I don't think in hindsight that was Fury's best strategy, the way he executed it. You have to establish that you're the bigger man when you have advantages that much of six inches in height and seven inches of reach and 40 pounds of weight. You have to lean on. You have to be dirty.

You have to make the referee get involved. I know I liked furious targeting to the body early with those big uppercuts to try to slow Usyk down, but he found out that Usyk wasn't going to be finished or derailed or deterred easily. So when the rematch look, I would like to see a bigger fury who's looking at keeping the ring smaller himself, not allowing Usyk to back him up, but instead the other way around,

coming forward with that jab and constantly looking to back him up to the ropes and lean and maul and do everything. Do you think that is the right strategy for the rematch? Do you think we see it? Or am I wrong? And maybe the strategy is to go back and come in even lower in weight

and try to match Usyk's movement. I don't think you're going to beat Usyk out of your own game. I think it's the same thing that Anthony Joshua tried the second time and lost the second time again. I definitely feel like changing it up is critical. I think trying to go back and refine what happened this time, there was some success, but I don't think you can reproduce it. Fury wanted a game plan where Usyk had to come to him

and in the process get torched. And it worked for about the first half of that fight, give or take. It worked. It wasn't just uppercuts to the body, dude. Some of those uppercuts to the chin were vicious. And he was landing it repeatedly. And Usyk, the technician, like Heaney not being able to pick up Ryan Garcia's left hook, he just couldn't pick up those uppercuts.

He couldn't figure it out. Not in the first half. Second half he got a little bit better with it. But to the point that you raise, I don't think you can go back and then try again, Usyk trapping him with outside foot position, forcing him to, to peel out to the wrong side.

Also in the, well, I'll get to that in just a second, but there's just numerous ways in which I don't, I don't think going back to the, the same well will be good. However, let me share some skepticism about changing it up as well. If you actually go back and watch this in the clinch,

one thing that I saw that Usyk do was he was very good a lot of times through the clinch about pulling and pushing and maneuvering, avoiding underhooks, by the way, with high elbow blocking, and also getting Fury out of position and then walloping him in the inside. He didn't physically control the space in the same way that Ngannou had hard frames. He was a little bit slicker through the whole process.

But if you're asking me who did better in the clinch in this fight, it's Oleksandr Usyk. He would not allow himself to get physically dominated, just like against Joshua. He would stand his ground, almost like takedown defense, like standing your ground. And he was quicker to the draw on these short shots because he knew that if you're this close,

your chance to tag Fury's head is right here, right now. You've got to do it. And he would pull the trigger on that even if he got hit. So my point being is I think that a different strategy of forward movement, putting the pressure on Usyk is probably his best bet given the alternative. At the same time, I am trying to express skepticism about how well that could go because little flurries of it in the first fight also did not go well for Tyson Fury on balance. It's very interesting. I don't want to be the bearer of bad news and give you one of those hashtag that's boxing situations,

but we have to be fair and honest here. It's a boxing situation. We have a new undisputed heavyweight champion, but the question is for how long? Well, unfortunately, I can answer that for you. What's today, May 20th? What's going on June 1st? I'll tell you. It is the five-on-five Eddie Hearn versus Frank Warren, Saudi Arabian card

that was originally going to be beef all better beef. And of course, that the featured fight now is Deontay Wilder versus Big Bang Zhang. But on that card is Philip Bergovich, the unbeaten heavyweight from Croatia, who has already been the mandatory for U6 IBF title, but has twice taken step aside money so that some of these bigger fights can happen first. He has stated he's no longer willing to take that step of step aside money. So when Urgovich goes in there on June 1st against Daniel Dubois, the top contender who just was stopped by Alexander Usyk after hurting him on a borderline low punch that that created some controversy in their fight. Luke, that fight is looking to be for the vacant IBF title, which means because Urgovich will no longer step aside,

that's certainly his want in the way that the, in his, you know, he deserves this in the way that the hierarchy of the boxing rankings work in the sanctioning bodies. But what does it say about boxing that we finally have this great moment,

first undisputed championship in 25 years, first time in the four belt era. We can't wait for this rematch October 12th, but the IBF title is going to go away between now and then. Usyk's going to get stripped of it when they do the rematch later this year. It'll be for three of the four belts.

Granted, this does open up the idea for more business, meaning the winner of Urgovich versus Dubois is probably going to fight Anthony Joshua later this year. Probably in the UK. So in 2025, we want to see, look, we want to see, look,

we want to see Anthony Joshua against Tyson Fury, whether Fury wins this rematch or not. And you're probably going to see that next year. But if Anthony Joshua can bring the IBF title back into a super fight with whoever comes out of Usyk Fury in the rematch, you can do it again for undisputed. But for all the good in boxing, for all the celebration I'm trying to do about how great this weekend was in

this last two years have been. Damn Luke, we can only enjoy this for two weeks. You can mean this is this is where we're at here this is unfortunately I mean we're giving boxing a lot of praise because I do think it deserves it but we can't we can't ignore you know um there's too many belts what do you make of too many belts Turkey Al-Ashiq, the head of the Saudi entertainment general, whatever they call him, that his title in his role. I know people are, we were never going to call him his excellency,

right? We can just say, Hey, Hey Turkey, Hey Turk, 182. You're doing great. I will not be like unnecessarily insulting,

but I'm not going to call him. He had an interesting interview on the MMA fighting MMA hour with Ariel Hawani in which he almost made a threat at the sanctioning bodies. His point of contention in which he said he was very unhappy to the IBF, which happens to be the sanctioning bodies. His point of contention in which he said he was very unhappy to the IBF, which happens to be the sanctioning body that is inevitably here going to strip Usyk, and said Canelo was just named a mandatory from the IBF that he must defend his four super middleweight titles against,

and it was a guy we'd never heard of. And that happens because, unfortunately, even though the sanctioning bodies and these ranking systems are created to give equal meritocrat, Rick meritocrat, Rick meritocratic, right to anyone. You will inevitably get people you've never heard of coming from a country. You've barely heard of that. Did their promoters pay for them to get that ranking? We always make that debate,

but I felt like Turkey was threatening, not just the IBF, but all the sanctioning bodies. When he said this, I'm paraphrasing, but he more or less told Ariel, it would be a shame if all of these big name fighters. And he mentioned having a relationship with 98% of the fighters that matter in boxing.

He said it would be a shame if they no longer wanted to defend those titles. Luke, this was a topic that came up in 2015 when Al Heyman launched the PBC and bought time buys over every major network. The whole question was, is he going to say F you to the sanctioning buys and create PBC titles? Are these going to be the new recognized titles in boxing? Do you feel like that's a threat from Turkey that there's a little bit too much of the shenanigans going on? And by the way, there constantly is with all four of these sanctioning bodies, some worse than others.

Like, do we need them anymore? I know there's an issue. We don't need all of them. That's the reality. Could you see Turkey go on the route of taking away their power? I mean, we want one face, one champion in every division. Why do we need 14? I got to be honest, though.

You know, he has done a very good job with what he has tried. But we should, and I don't mean this in any way to be unnecessarily negative. I would say this if it was any one powerful figure, no matter where they were from and no matter any other consideration. Do we want another single entity to then come in and yes make big fights of course we want that but then to control some of the architecture of boxing i get a little bit yeah i don't know if that's a good idea either right we part of the reason why you do want sanctioning this is what people don't understand about fight sports is that when

everything is consolidated people think everything is. And there are many ways in which consolidation does make things easier to understand and more popular. But at the same time, that consolidation equals control for either a single entity or a small group of entities. And you don't want that either. That's a major problem. So diversifying who has a say and who's got power in the sport, it does keep a ceiling on it, but it also prevents it from being overtaken in theory. So while I acknowledge some of Turkey Al-Ashiq's criticisms of what's happening in these sanctioning bodies, I don't know that one person coming in and just wiping them away is really the answer either.

It might not be. It may add more dilution to the amount of world titles. Do you just want one person, even if you think they're well-intentioned, having control like that? I don't know if that's a good idea. No, I mean, look at where we're at with the UFC and fighter pay and all of that. I mean, no, both of them have positives and trade-offs.

Sure. I don't know if that's the ideal system, but I do have to ask you, BC, because we're going to move on here in a bit. Can we talk for just a second about this pound for pound race? Yes. So let me ask you, here is what I've got. Tell me what I'm missing. Tell me if you're in alignment.

First of all, as I mentioned before, between, I should say, among Katie Taylor, Terrence Crawford, Noya Inouye, and Alexander Usyk, we have a 10-month stretch where all-time greats are fucking shit up on a rampage. And they're taking huge fights to do so. Massive risks. We are just living through an insane era. We've got to sort them here a little bit. So here's how I'm going to rank so. Massive risks. We are just living through an insane era. We've got to sort them here a little bit. So here's how I'm going to rank it. This is not me necessarily saying peak ability. It's part ability, part what you accomplished,

and then partly how recent. And also the mythical matchup. How would you do against each other and if things were even? For me, I don't look at that as irrelevant. To me, that's the decider when it's close. Fair enough. And there's no rules.

Everyone's got their own. That's not the way it would go for me. But I like Crawford at three because in a way has been more active recently. I'm going to put him at two. And because of the unreal nature of everything he's done, plus obviously recency to an extent, I think I've got Usyk at one. Hell yeah. Do you have to realize how hard it is for heavyweights in general to get ranked in the top 10 pound for pound?

They normally need to be longstanding dominant, but also when we talk about the mythical matchmaking, the idea of, okay, that Bantamweight's never going to fight that heavyweight. So what if they were in the same mythical division, having the same advantages and disadvantages that they have in their own division, bringing that together? It's so rare when you get a heavyweight high up there. Entering this fight, we had two of them in the top 10 with Usyk and Fury. And Luke, you know what's crazy?

As heading into this fight on this show, I said, you know what, guys? As much as we've had fun debating between Crawford, Inouye, and also Canelo, I think deserves to be in the conversation, although he's probably not going to get ahead of either one on anyone's list. I think he's good enough to be in that conversation

based on what he's accomplished in his recent form. But I said the winner of Fury Usyk could actually supplant all of them and be number one. And Luke, I got hit with so many messages

saying, ah, come on, didn't you see Crawford versus Spence? Don't you know how great Crawford is? Or, hey, come on, have you not watched

what Inouye's done lately? Yet what did I tweet immediately after Usyk got the victory? I said, man, this is going to shake things up. We really need to now consider Usyk in the number one conversation, along with Bud Canelo and Inouye.

And I was happy to see a deluge of tweets where people are already saying, he's already in that conversation and this win should leave no doubt. And the biggest reason a lot of people said, so I'm taking this opinion because it makes a lot of sense. I'm sharing it with you. The consensus of the people after the fact, so there is recency bias, was this. Some people are saying, well, who cares? Why even have this debate?

He's the heavyweight champion. He doesn't need to be a top of the pound for pound. Which is true. He's number one in the whole sport. He is. But he fought a guy 40 pounds heavier than him. Right. Six inches taller with a seven inch reach and nearly knocked him out coming

off of an undisputed run at cruiserweight. What else do you need from a literal pound for pound? The definition of it standpoint, the answer is you don't need anything more. Yes, Luke, he's the best fighter in the world in this great sport at this moment. Usyk is number one with a bullet.

And if you are saying, okay, BC, great speech, but what about Crawford? What about Inouye? Let's hear from Bud. Let's see what Bud tweeted out in response to this. Man, y'all better put some respect

on Usyk, man. He's definitely a candidate for number one pound-for-pound fighter in the world. I'm no hater. He beat the man that beat the man in a bigger division, giving what he's already done.

Salute, brother. Shouts to Terrence Crawford, dude. A real one. Because look, Usyk wins this argument in my mind. If you're just going accomplishments, if you're just going quality of resume and who he'd be, if you're just going current form, if you're just going mythical matchmaking,

I mean, look, that's the thing. It's rare that you get a heavyweight with this much skill where even if you were like, okay, what if Bud versus Usyk could happen at some mythical weight class where they had the same qualities? I don't think you count out Usyk necessarily in those conversations either. We are watching greatness personified. Also, just want to point out something here.

Since he won the WBO cruiserweight title, he did that in Gdansk, Poland. Then he fought in Inglewood, California. Then outside DC, Oxon Hill, Poland. Then he fought in Inglewood, California. Then outside D.C., Oxon Hill, Maryland. Then he fought in Berlin, Germany. Then Riga, Latvia. Then Moscow, Russia. By the way, he beat Unbeaten Bredis in his backyard of Latvia. Yes, in Latvia. Then he

beat Gassiev in Russia. In his backyard. Then he beat Tony Bellew in Manchester. Then he beat Chaz Witherspoon in Chicago. Then he beat Derek Chisora in London. Then he beat Anthony Joshua inerspoon in Chicago. Then he beat Derek Chizora in London. Then he beat Anthony Joshua in London. Did it again in Saudi Arabia. Then he beat Dubois in Poland.

And then he beat Tyson Fury in Riyadh. Not one of those was a fucking home game. And he took home the prom queen every fucking time. Forget Animal or Hawk. This is the real road warrior. This is the guy. This is the guy right here. Okay.

Dude, it's incredible. Up a weight class, all-time great cruiserweight class. Forget animal or hawk. This is the real road warrior. This is the guy. This is the guy right here. Okay, dude, it's incredible. Upper weight class, all time. Great cruiser weight class. And he did all of it on the fucking road. And every time he could have gotten screwed by a judge, BC, every time someone could have been like,

no, not this round, not that round. He still found a way to get it done. All right, let's close out this conversation with this gun to your head 37 years old how many more fights do you think who's sick will take and who do you need to see him again now look he may lose the fury fight in the rematch and fury may go on to

fight joshua for all the belts again and be the biggest fight we've ever seen it may happen but right now is there anyone that you feel like who's sick should fight on the way out because he has an opportunity here. Because part of our bullet points was, what do you do with this greatness? Because he's certainly not like top 10 heavyweight, right? He's only got like five heavyweight fights. But we're talking about the total greatness, the gold medal, the two division undisputeds. If he does this with an unbeaten record, if Usyk defeats Fury in the rematch and maybe

takes one more fight and retires undefeated, you're going to have a problem trying to figure where he goes in history. So are there any, is there anyone left you'd love to see him against need to see him against, or could he walk away in your eyes post Fury? He could walk away right now. I hope that they would do it one more time and he gets a gigantic payday. And then I hope that's it. There is absolutely nothing left for him to prove.

Bang, bang, zang wants to bang him. Big bang. Zhang wants to have sex with that man. They're falling in love. But the point I'm trying to make. Is that a Jim Lampley reference?

Can you explain that to the fans? Jim Lampley. We did an interview with Jim Lampley. And he was saying, he's like, you know, these two guys had a slugfest. And he goes, and you know what that means? And we're like, what? And he started crying. And he goes, that means they're falling in love.

And I'm like, Jim, that's not what that means at all. Okay. But the point I wanted to make was he's done every, I said he has succeeded at every possible level that there is, including the very, very highest. It's also hilarious. The only thing left to be seen, I mean this sincerely,

is to reaffirm this win and get a gigantic paycheck. He's gotten some big ones, but this would be a really big one. So do we think Anthony Joshua's going to fight? Winner of Dubois and Hergovic. So you don't think he fights the winner of Wilder and Zhang this fall?

Possible if things go sideways. Deontay Wilder to me and Zhang to an extent too, but Deontay Wilder in particular still a wild card. If he were to sleep Big Bang Zhang, which Zhang is a better boxer. I mean, most guys in the heavyweight division, but he is legitimately a very huge guy

and a better boxer. But if Wilder were to starch him, I think that changes the equation a little bit in a couple of different directions. But I still don't think it's a fight Usyk needs in any capacity. He's already beaten Joshua twice. And Wilder already has big baby

Jared Anderson for August 3rd. Again, it doesn't make a lot of sense so i think the fury rematch and then he calls it a day and god bless him he has done enough wow from one set of legendary heavyweights to another set of legendary heavyweights let's go to topic number three here mike might want these two to bang each other mike tyson versus jake paul is going to go down July 20th, Arlington, Texas, Jerry World on Netflix. And boy, does this have potential to be something just seriously, like next level, the biggest thing maybe we've seen in some time. I mean, it has potential to be a unique sporting event. They did have a coast-to-coast two-city press tour to kick it off.

Ariel Hawane hosted the first. Brian Custer hosted the second. Luke, straight up here. What did this two-city press tour and the announcement, by the way, of a pretty damn loaded main card, what did that do to teach us like really how big this fight truly can be?

I'm not surprised by a single thing that we've seen other than Mike Tyson admitting he got an erection watching a 16-year year old Jake Paul dance. Let's go to the videotape on that long. I don't see that. He wanted to kiss me. Indeed.

He said he wanted to kiss you. That's so ironic that he said that. Cause I saw a picture of him dancing at 16, doing a little dance on YouTube. And for some reason I had to reject erection. Um, Mike, Mike, Mike, and for some reason I had an erection. Mike? Mike, what? Mike, you should have kept that one in the drafts folder, my guy.

Water? Weed? Dune? I mean, what are we doing here? Mike, what the hell are you talking about? What's happening here? Okay, Mike, except for wanting to bang a 16 year old jake paul which by itself is just disturbing on so many levels here's what it got to me i have had so

many irate combat sports fans ask me about this fight and i realize we're doing it because of the press tour sure let me just be very clear to all of you this fight is not for you and me. We are not the audience. They know we're going to come along. This is a cultural event for donks who lost all their money in crypto. Wow. Come on. No, it's actually for way more than that.

Do you discount the father and son element where there's going to be fathers cheering for Tyson and sons cheering for Jake Paul? There might be some of that. I don't think it's going to be a ton of it. Like, will your dad watch? Will it go that far? Will it reach your father? It's actually a good question. I don't think it's going to be a ton of it. Like, will your dad watch? Will it go that far? Will it reach your father?

That's actually a good question. I don't... Because my mom's already texting me about the fight. Oh, is she? Yes, she's already like... I've had so many of my friends who don't watch fights except when, like, humongous fights happen, and they are texting me about this.

But this is the point I'm trying to make. Netflix is not... I hope that they use this to get into the real boxing business. They may or may not. I simply do not know. But what I am watching here is Netflix putting together a cultural event. That is what they are doing. What can we do?

What vehicle can we use to get maximum eyeballs for live programming that we know people will watch when it happens? Sports we know is very, very good to be, relatively speaking, DVR proof. Let's get two huge names, Mike Tyson and Jake Paul, different generations, whole different thing. Let's have them fight in eight, around two minute contests with 14 ounce gloves in the fucking state of Texas,

because who we're trying to attract with this is the widest possible net of Garbage Pail Kids that exist on the- I think it goes beyond garbage pail kids. I think it's housewives, it's grandmas, it's- I know, you're 100% right. I'm being hostile for the point of being mean, but that's the point. Every combat sports fan is like, this is an abomination.

Dude, it's not for you. Well, I have to give them- It's not being built for you and for me and for the people watching typically a show like this. They don't care if you like it. They don't care. I just want to say, if you're still doing the mainstream sports take of, should this fight even be scheduled? Like, we're far past that, okay?

It is what it's going to be. The allure, to be very fair, is that dynamic, that dichotomy between, is Mike pushing 60 going to get hurt and regret this? And are we going to regret this by proxy? Or is he going to knock out Jake and have the ultimate former for, I'm sorry, Foreman versus Michael Moore moment of, of score one for the old guy. But Luke, I have to give MVP,

which is a Jake Paul's promotional team, Nikita Bedarian and Netflix props for this main card. Now this is not a pay-per-view. So I hesitate to say pay-per-view main card, but you get Tyson versus Jake, which is the ultimate side of the road accident that you can't look away from in every possible category. You're getting Katie Taylor versus Amanda Serrano, too, in the rematch of the biggest and arguably most exciting women's match in the history of the sport that could headline any car. Could headline its own pay-per-view in the garden. And it's going to be the co-main event.

So think of all the first time boxing fans, former boxing fans that you're bringing into this. You want to put your best foot forward. They're giving you the rematch of the greatest women's fight. They're giving you a legitimately weird gas station fight with Daryl until versus Chavez Jr. Terrible fight. It's not.

Yeah, but it's also not. It's also kind of like it fits that category well, and then you're getting legitimate prospect versus prospect with H2O Ashton Silva against fellow unbeaten Fulton Schofield Jr. Well, I'm setting the table here. So I want to ask you, we're actually doing something where we're not just throwing out

slop and saying this is what boxing is. We're actually giving you real fights around that. That mixed with the commercial element mixed with this could break the record for the amount of people that have watched a single sporting event. It could be Super Bowl numbers. It could be stupid. Is this going to be a slam dunk no matter what happens for the sport of boxing?

That part I don't know. Here's what I will say. If it ends up being a disaster, I don't think it's going to be bad for the sport of boxing at all because this fight is, when is this fight? July what? 20. Dude, August 3rd arguably the best pound for pound boxer in the world. And Terrence Crawford will be back in action. In a loaded pay-per-view. In a loaded to be the co-main event. The rematch between

Amanda Serrano and Katie Taylor is going to be the most watched women's boxing fight of all time. And it won't even be close. That's how many people are going to have access to this. There will, there has never been a women's fight that has gotten this kind of potential audience without any hesitation whatsoever. I can say that. So that is great. You say they're not throwing slop. Dude, Till versus Chavez is slop.

Okay, but they're giving you the buffet. They're giving you your healthy vegetables and meat and potatoes, and then they got mozzarella sticks. It's not an entire card of fight circus. They're giving you real ones, and then they're giving you some ridiculous ones along the way. But guys, I was in Houston when Dada 5000 had a coronary in the Bellator cage against Kimbo. And I'm like, guys, we've already had that.

How much worse could this actually be than someone having to get resuscitated whose name was Dada 5000? This can't be as bad. And also, let me say something, if I may. Can we put the camera on Luke? God. Here's what I'm going to say. You're asking me, who are you picking?

Gun to your head right now. You can change your mind between now and July. I'm not doing a bid. I don't know. I don't know who's going to win this fight. I don't know. I am so glad you said that. I have no freaking idea.

Because everyone being like, oh, Tyson's going to get marched to his death. Listen, gun to my head, I am picking Jake Paul. In general, he has made very smart calculations about what kind of threat to face as he has moved his career along with the one issue he got wrong in Tommy Fury. Tommy got the better end of that deal in the end. Fair enough. But in general, he makes very good calculations, and I think he and his team are making, obviously, a calculation that a nearly 60-year year old Mike Tyson is going to

be relatively beatable. I would agree. However, the point I have tried to make to everybody is by professional standards, and don't give me the last two guys he fought. The last guy he fought was barely ambulatory. I mean, just get the fuck out of here with this. People who don't watch boxing, but this guy's 10 and oh, he's a real boxer. Please shut the fuck up. Okay. Number one, number two, Jake Paul is a very good boxer by celebrity standards, but by boxing standards, he's more to be thought of as a celebrity. And what I mean by that is if this guy were, what is Jake Paul's record at this point? 10 and oh, or 10 and one or whatever it is, something around that. If you got someone who was like a real prospect who was actually coming up the normal way, I would actually have much more concern for Mike's safety.

Yes. But that's actually not what you have. And yes, Jake, give him credit, does have big power. Again, gun to my head, I'm picking him. But he is not so good that you can just treat it like it's a foregone conclusion. That's why it's going to sell. That's exactly why it's going to sell.

But I just want to be clear. Everyone will be like, oh, Mike's going to get led to his death. He might. He fucking might. I mean, I can't say that he won't. I mean, Jake might hold for a minute and a half of each round. And then land a big bomb and whatever. But Jake is not so good that you can be like, oh, well, he's just going to run over him.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That is not what you have here. And that's also me not saying you even have to watch. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, stops that they've had. This is their opportunity to come close up to the world, tell the world what this fight's going to be about. Have they been too friendly? Has Mike been too, you know, after reportedly giving up weed and getting in

great shape, has he been too reserved? I'm going to play a clip from the second stop. This is about the juiciest the trash talk got. Let's hear from this. I don't know if he's in his prime. He's fat. He should be lean and mean. He's fat and funky. I saw him with his shirt off the other day. He's fat.

Did you start training already? Buster Douglas was fat. Am I right? I know, but you're no Buster Douglas. He's not going to win. Look it, he came in and knocked out Nick Diaz. Nick Diaz is 40 pounds. How he's going to knock me out?

What's the other guy? Anderson Silva. He didn't knock those little guys. How he's going to knock me out? What's the other guy? Anderson Silva. He didn't knock those little guys. How you gonna knock me out? Who did he knock out? Who did he knock out? Little children. He didn't knock out, never knocked out a real man. Come on. I can't even get mad at this guy because everybody knows this guy is talking out of his ass. And stealing money. I'm up here stealing money fighting him. Well, just come to the fight and you'll see. Listen, listen, I started Jake off and I'm going to finish him. Okay, I like that line.

And to correct Jake. Also, just killing poor Tyron Woodley. Yes, also killing poor Buster Douglas. Was Buster Douglas fat for when he lost the title to Evander Holyfield? Yes. Not fat on the best night of his life when he lost the title to Evander Holyfield? Yes. Evander, yes. Not fat on the best night of his life when he walked down Mike Tyson in Tokyo. The whole documentary on 30 for 30 shows that it was that fight he got the incredible shape for.

So you did see a little bit of trash talk talking about the body. Let's get a face-to-face of these two shirtless. They did some promos for a commercial. That is heavyweight Jake Paul. He is block heavy, Luke. What are your thoughts on both of their bodies here? Well, I mean, understandably, gravity is kind of killing poor Mike, but I agree with Mike.

Jake looks a little chunky to me. No? I agree. He's trying to come in. He said this is what he kind of walks around. Everyone's like, oh, he's on steroids. And I'm like, well, I mean, who the hell knows what he's on? Well, I hope they're both on.

He doesn't look like super shredded to me. Interesting. We have one more clip, and this is from the first day in New York. And this is what got me mad. I wanted to see the face off, like sell me the violence, sell me the threat. And they kind of sold me the joyful,

fun nature of this. Like remember when Connor and Floyd got criticized at the press conference afterwards for hugging in almost in there when they were in their suits, when Connor fought Floyd, they did like, Oh, afterwards post press conference conference they hugged each other and basically had this like hey we just stole all this money from the world laugh and celebration but we were like okay they delivered are you okay with this are you okay with like hey buddy or are you really are you really going to be like these guys aren't properly doing a press conference my old school boxing

friends who have been watching tyson as long as I have are like, oh, he's baiting him. He's planting a seed that he's jolly old Grandpa George Foreman here. Are you getting those fields from this? I certainly hope. I mean, I know he wants to bang young Jake. Can you, I mean, listen, we're going to be fucking and fighting. That's the best thing you can do.

But what I was going to say was, can you imagine the goodwill Mike would earn if he just starches this guy and just like one punch ko's him hey a long island luke i mean i don't want to ask about your genitalia but fair to say it would be in a different position if mike completely flat lines jake paul no 100 yeah i want to ask you a final question on this all right a couple weeks ago the netflix subscription total was 226. That has been since updated to 400 million. Is it insane? This is the same conversation, by the way, we had ahead of Mayweather versus McGregor. This whole idea of like, okay, at that time, the pay-per-view record was 2.4 million.

We're like, could it do double? Could it do triple? Like, is there a ceiling? Is there a limit? Is there a limit? Not in pay-per-view buys because it's not pay-per-view. What is the ceiling for one night subscription total? If they're at 400 million right now and they're lapping the competition.

I don't know. I don't know. How many households are tuning into this? So my question is this. What did the, and Long Island Luke, if you know the answer, if anybody knows the answer, what did the Tom Brady roast do in terms of viewership on Netflix? Do we know the answer to that we might I don't know so here's what I'm going to say it's going to be two or three x that

I think like so potentially Super Bowl NBA playoff Tom Brady has something of an international appeal but he's not internationally famous Mike Tyson is internationally famous so is Jake Paul Tom Brady did two million on the actual live stream I don't know about afterwards okay it will do it will do five to six million on the live stream what's the't know about afterwards okay it will do it will do five to six million on the live stream what's the more important number the amount of people that tune in or the amount of people that are subscribed in terms of this being the biggest success it can well netflix has a larger potential audience than any other streamer including amazon i mean their scale is unrivaled so could there be a hundred million people watching this? This is what I'm trying to explain to people. Do you know how many subscribers ESPN Plus has?

Not 400 million. 24.8. So Netflix. So what, 2.4 million? What was it? So 24.8. So no, subscribers. 24.8 million subscribers.

Subscribers. Okay. So Netflix has more than 10 times, nearly 20 times that amount. Okay, could they double it? Could they double it to 800 million subscribers? There's that many people with a TV? No, no, no. They could not do that. That's absolutely impossible. Okay, one and a half? Could they get it up to

600 million? No. You're talking about trying to boil an ocean. That's not possible. I am trying that. What I'm trying to make is, in terms of the live audience and people who checked it out and also video on demand, how long do they stay? Does the broadcast number go up over time?

Any number of different metrics they could use. But I think this will be a giant. Listen, you can like this fact, or it's not a fact, but you can like this or you can hate this. My hunch is it's going to be a monster success. Monster success. What a year. What a time to be alive as a boxing fan.

All right, BC, let's talk about some MMA before our audience stabs us in the face when we leave the facilities here today. With a knife dipped in carbonic acid? That is a potential. Okay. That's a potential. Or AIDS, your choice.

There's a lot of different ways we can go. So I want to talk. I want to go with what interests me first in this whole potpourri here. There was some leaking of the DMs that UFC heavyweight champion John Jones has been sending. The difference between him and Usyk could not be bigger. I was going to say heavyweight champion in title only at the moment. Yeah, basically. He was DMing random fans, from what I could tell, random fans.

Should we be suspecting that this is doctored in this AI era? He didn't come out and deny it, but fair to note that this is, we don't fully know. But nevertheless, and in it, it sounds like him. And he's bragging about potentially making $15 million to fight Stipe, riding off into the sunset. He uses that word. He tweeted out that the fight would be at MSG in November and then deleted it. Yep. Also suggesting he's got two mansions in Albuquerque.

Many people in high places are his friends. Yeah, quote, how much you call an elite compared to you. I have multimillionaire friends, several billionaire friends, BC. Friends in the highest branches of the military. Even I don't have that. Meanwhile, you make 3D designs. You have no followers. Probably still trying to pay off your house.

Willing to bet you live in an apartment. But yeah, let's make fun of me. I got a domestic violence charge about four years ago now, maybe even five years ago. It actually was a little bit closer to that. Uh, that's not true. Meanwhile, I've made close to 20 million since then. My wife is still with me. Fuck the shit out of me every night. That's great. My life is Gucci telling my buddy, Jeff, blah, blah, blah. BC your reaction to John, not fighting Tom Aspinall, but definitely getting in the DMs of fans who want him to fight Tom. It's just such a lame standpoint to brag. If anything,

he should be like almost lying publicly to try to protect that. No, I'm not ducking. You know, like you would, you do think he'd be playing up the continuation of, well, Aspinall hasn't accomplished anything,

which I think, I think he's still doing. He's still putting tweets out there, discounting the accomplishments of blades or, or, or Aspinall compared to him. He should be doing the opposite in the DMs. You should be playing up Stipe, playing up what a legendary fight this is.

And, you know, I defended Stipe versus John last November for being the type of fight that you do sort of suspend everything else and get these two legends in there. Not a year later. I mean, the balls on the UFC to roll this fight out exactly one full year later with the same stakes is ridiculous. But no, this is not how a legendary champion should act. You should be defending your resume, not basically dunking on them by being like, what are you going to do about it? Because I'm going to win this fight against this old guy, walk off into the sunset, cash my millions. I might even get on top of my wife with Brock Lesnar's Bud Light after that.

You know what I mean? Like, no, it just it comes across as so hollow. And I know like, it's a great time to be bragging about boxing compared to MMA, but it's like true at the moment. Where's the MMA fight at the moment that is signed that we're like, oh my God, I can't wait for it. And did you see that press tour, that moment?

Oh my God, it's happening. I feel like we're doing that every week in boxing right now. But in MMA, we are not making the fights we should be making that are really easy to actually make. It really wouldn't be that hard for UFC to call up Stipe and say one of two things like, sorry, Stipe, John got hurt and we waited too long. This fight's no longer viable.

He's going to fight Aspinall. Or like we said, while John's waiting injured, hey, Stipe, how about you fight Aspinall instead in a UK pay-per-view in the main event? Winner gets John. No, we're not going to do any of that. We're now going to allow John to completely bastardize the situation even more. I don't never want it to be in a space because I always knew we always knew

that John Jones was really the greatest of all time. So we've all since like 2012 and saying, eventually he's going to move up to heavyweight. He's going to beat everybody. He's going to be the two division champion. He's going to walk off the goat argument. Won't even be an argument. I want to be at that spot because he is the best fighter I've ever seen

without question. Seriously. And in this upper room table, which includes all of these legends, Fedor, Silva, GSP, Habib, whoever you want to put in there, like nobody is Jon Jones. And he's sort of like actively just dunking on playing into the stereotypes of why this has really become a bastardized heavyweight reign. And it's not his fault he got injured. It's not his fault Cyril Ghosn shit the bed against him so quickly. But look, all that does conspire together when he's not fighting in Ghanu,

regardless of what blame, who you're pointing it at. And now he's not fighting the other best heavyweight at the moment. And we have to see an interim champion actually defend his title, which is rare in UFC history. And now John is basically just saying

outright to everybody, I'm going to make a shit ton of money. I'm going to beat this old guy who hasn't fought in 3,000 days. And then I'm ton of money. I'm going to beat this old guy who hasn't fought in 3000 days. And then I'm out of here. I mean, maybe you can say in 20 years, we won't be having this conversation.

We'll just be talking about the goat, John Jones, the two division champion. But I hate to see Luke, especially with these young, vibrant names in the division, having a little bit of life. I hate to see John bastardizing his own,

his own unique legacy that no one else can match by doing it this way by, you know, and maybe, maybe he didn't even say those things to the fans, but I think even whether he did or whether he not, this is what the, this is what the promotion is telling you that what they value, like,

like the meritocracy doesn't matter. What the fan interest is kind of really saying doesn't matter. It's just that they think they can charge 900 per seat in the garden for John versus DP a year later. So they're going to do it. And that's the bottom line, but John not helping himself at all. Yeah. I mean, can charge 900 per seat in the garden for John versus Stipe a year later. So they're going to do it. And that's the bottom line. But John not helping himself at all.

Yeah. I mean, I think mocking ordinary middle-class people for having, for living middle-class lives, probably not going to win you any popularity contests. Also more to the point, he had that tweet that was public. It might still be up where he had said, Hey, me 14 titles, Stipe six, it equals 20 Curtis plus Tom equals zero. And of course he says, I wasn't going to count the interim title, which is the oneipe, 6, that equals 20. Curtis plus Tom equals zero. And, of course, he says, I wasn't going to count the interim title, which is the one I think he got against OSP, UFC 190, I forget. Anyway.

197. 197. DC claims he was off the gear for that because of USADA. He does claim that. But what I wanted to say was, it's like, dude, what has to be wrong with you to not give a crack to people who are deserving of one and then mock them for not having a title like that's the most deranged shit i've ever heard in my life equivalent of saying no sorry we can't hire you for this job we needed somebody with experience and it's like okay how do i get experience yeah and and and you're the

only one who can give them that. And also, you're the one who is supposed to be the one giving them that, but then mocking them. It's like, dude, you know, MMA is, when the UFC is cooking, UFC 300 was cooking. When they're cooking, it's very, very tough to beat. But I don't know how you can be an MMA fan and look around and see stuff like this and be like, yeah, the sport's on fire right now.

Dude, Conor was stripped in less days connor was a champion not fighting in less days and was stripped than john is right now it's ridiculous all right let me move on to this if i may bc um khalil roundtree unfortunately has withdrawn from ufc 303's co-main event versus jamal Hill due to what he says is the accidental ingestion of a banned substance. We have the quote here. It's DHEA. You can see his message up here. I'm going to deliver this news to you all, but I will not be fighting at UFC 303 due

to consuming a banned substance. He says he didn't do it intentionally. He's trying to figure it out. I was using a personalized tailored supplement service from a company they trust. By the way, he said he contacted Jeff Novitsky and, of course, the entire anti-doping compliance officers to figure it out. He's provided them information to show that this was not a matter of cheating. He's hoping to be cleared.

My sincerest apologies to you all and to Jamal for this unfortunate series of events. This is a huge loss and an even bigger lesson. BC, two questions. One, is there a logical replacement opponent that you can think of? One. Two, how bad is this for Khalil Rountree? Let's start out on the bad. I mean, it's pretty bad, Luke.

I mean, he feels like he's justifying it and explaining it, and it's not, you know, it'd be tough to do the whole drop the hammer on him. He screwed up. I mean, we've seen USADA get it wrong, right? Poor Tom Lawler. Poor a few different fighters who were derailed from that. I like whenever someone is being fully honest. I hope he's being fully honest in this case. You know, there's a whole other

Ryan Garcia situation, Luke, that we're debating a lot left and right, but I think it's a bigger than the name tarnishing in the moment is this fight was his moment. He's getting a Jamal Hill, a former champion, who's coming off major injury,

rushing it back, getting sent to hell by the champion in a big fight. And then they were giving him the 303 co-main slot under Conor McGregor's comeback. So it was huge. And knowing everything Khalil Roundtree's been through,

if this actually was an accidental ingestion, then it's really bad luck at the wrong time. And I hate to see that for him, a guy that I respect a lot. But Luke, the idea of who fills that hole. I've been down on saying as much as i love jamal versus roundtree as an action fight

even with the the watering down of connor cards which is historically what ufc does because of how much it costs to get him in there i didn't love this i think you can upgrade this a few different ways i saw the internet this morning aggressively push one name above all though and it did change my argument rather than pulling off one of these other all action, former champions or anyone else in the top rankings. How about a rising Carlos Allberg? I was asked about that yesterday on submission radio. So here's how I feel about that. Can I tell you, please, I think that's an exciting choice and I definitely feel like you could do it if you wanted to. However,

Allberg has not really worked his way through the division in a proper sense to get fully vetted, so I think he could win that. He's certainly gotten better. He's got a dynamic style. I'm not, I like that fight, but if I were in Olberg's corner or his team, I'd be a little bit concerned about what a win could get you here.

Not because you wouldn't want a title shot, you would, but what happens if you lose it because you're not ready what does it do how much damage could you take in the process they might end up saying hey let's just take it because you never get another title shot but there are the point i'm trying to make is there are obvious trade-offs if you take a title shot before you're ready yes and i've seen it happen to fighters they get fucked up in those fights sometimes it could be real bad so fine fight but i don't know if it really solves the problem also i wanted to say this well then who do you sub in then i don't know that there's an obvious name i don't know i think you could do that one do you scrap the fight because i didn't love the fight to begin with and i'm here to tell you even with that established

foundation that when connor fights we don't load the card and this card kind of stinks for a pay-per-view top to bottom you need another need another fight. I know there were rumors about Ian Gary versus Colby Covington that got shot down. Yeah, dude, you need another fight. So if it's not going to be Jamal Hill, I need you to find me another fight. I mean, so you've got McGregor Chandler at the top, obviously. Then it's Swanson-Feely, which is a fun fight. I like that fight.

It's a fine in-between fight, yeah. Michelle Watterson-Gomez versus Jillian Robertson. That's not a good fight at all. Is that main card? That's main card. Dude, that's the third fight from the top. I think Robertson's going to run over. Then you have Carlos Hernandez versus Ray Saruya.

You're going to shit on that one. Ray Saruya is a top prospect out of Japan. I like that one okay. Joe Pfeiffer is back against Marc-Andre Berriot. I like, I like. Maria Bueno Silva versus Macy Chiasan. Chiasan. Chiasan.

How the fuck is that in my brain so poorly? Ricky Simone is back against Vizinicius Oliveira. I mean, these are fine. Peyton Talbot is back. Andre Arlovsky is back. Charles Jordan is back. Okay, but that doesn't get me excited. Just because you said the name Arlovsky.

It's literally, I'm not even joking. It's Conor versus Chandler. And then Swanson-Feely. And then the rest is UFC Apex lick my balls 75. Okay, then what about some rumors to the idea if we can't get Covington versus Gary? And I think people are saying, did Covington turn it down? There's something, there's a hiccup in there.

Covington definitely turned it down. What about Gary versus MVP? Do you throw something like that together? Will they need to? But if you don't, what's the co-main? Jamal Hill against next light heavyweight in line? I definitely believe that if there is not an appropriate... Okay, so you could do Allberg versus Hill.

I don't love that fight for Allberg. I think he can win it, but again, I think he'd be advancing a little too quickly. And what do you do? Ankulayev, Blahovic? I don't know if you could do that. Rakic? But I agree. If they can't get that one, they need to kind of Hail Mary another one in here pretty quickly.

And I like your idea. MVP versus... He says he's accepted a fight against Ian Gary, as you indicated. I'd be okay with that I'd be really okay with that plus and two Irish guys on the card you know you get the Irish invasion a little bit yeah I'm all right with that well actually you know they ticket prices are too high for that now but you used to be able to get that I just I don't take ultimate pleasure in boxing being awesome when we tend to complain about just enjoy every week but look we

tend to complain about the UFC every week. Can UFC come back? They've got the biggest, they got all the names, just match them against each other. This is also, by the way, we talk about like what Turkey can do in boxing. Kind of tells you how limited he is in MMA

that there's no talk of Ngannou versus Jon Jones. Right. Like he can't bridge that gap. He can move mountains, but there's a mountain named Dana White. I don't know if he's going to move them. Yeah, there's a limit. So that's the first thing I'd say. The second thing I'd say is, dude,

on the one hand, does the UFC get a disproportionate amount of, and often cases, unfair criticism because of the way that they basically control the industry. You might say, well, isn't that fair? But no, there's a lot of times there's expectations put on them that even they can't meet. At the same time, if you've got that much talent on your roster

and you're the ones deciding to have X number of events and you're having trouble filling the top of them, that's on you. That's not on any of us. You literally could have taken fights off. It's greedy to say after the fact when UFC 300 was so awesome, maybe you could have not been as greedy in loading that.

Maybe take a couple off of those and put those as fight night main events in the subsequent weeks so we don't have what we've had, luke which is fights that you have to really ask yourself do i need i i hate to be in a position where there are fight cards and saturday's ufc fight night card was one of them where you have to ask yourself do i actually need to see this for my job and my fandom purposes like do i actually need to go out of my way to see if it wasn't for this job i would not have watched any of the fights on saturday's ufc card i did end up

watching them but i would not have well that of the fights on Saturday's UFC card. I did end up watching them, but I would not have. Well, that's the perfect transition to topic number five, Luke. All right. Topic number five. MMA recap from over the weekend, which included a UFC Apex card. Fresh off of St. Louis, overachieving, the crowd going wild. We were back in the damn Apex with 100 or so people who, paid a few thousand to have a fun party thing going on. But Luke,

we did get a featherweight fight, which had some ranking considerations in there as Lerone Murphy continued the run that he's been on. Are you okay? Yeah. Sorry about that. I don't like you guys. I don't know what happened there.

Look, there we go. Yeah. To keep making that noise. Luke Lerone Murphy against the featherweight veteran here edson barbosa we go the distance over five rounds and laurone murphy's boxing was just too much in the end what does this say about his standing as a contender moving forward in the featherweight division now

unbeaten in the ufc unless i'm wrong yeah no you're right absolutely right i mean this was the first real you could point a couple other wins he's had that have been good, but this was the first big one, big name opponent. And he dominated. In fact, if you look statistically BC, I know that Barboza had something of a round four, that he clawed something back, but then he lost round five again, in my judgment. And if you actually look at the numbers, Lerone Murphy landing 220 significant strikes to Barboza's 79. That is statistically the biggest differential he has ever suffered in any fight. And he's taken some fucking beating.

Oh, the Habib fight was all blatant. The Kevin Lee fight. The Kevin Lee fight he got. That was the one that's the second closest in terms of the numeric total. So, dude, Lerone Murphy took it fucking to him here. So that's a great win for him. Standout performance. He looked ready in all phases.

They had a great game plan. He executed not perfect, but a lot went right for him. His jab was great. His movement was great. Timely takedowns. Timely takedowns. He got two in the fifth round when he really needed them.

That's some decent control time. Had some good ground and pound. He was checking some kicks. He was throwing some kicks of his own. The boxing and the pressure was the biggest part of what won him that fight. All the while eating the type of leg kicks that could paralyze a man. And then still kept coming. It didn't seem like it really affected him over the course

of that fight too, too badly. So this was a very, very strong win for him. And I think it's a great movement for him. I'm not sure where he is currently ranked. I think, but this could probably put him certainly, potentially inside the top 10. It's great for him. But I'm going to say this, like my biggest takeaway from this is yes. Was this a standup performance or Lerone Murphy? 100% good on him. Another great UK fighter.

Happy to see it. Job well done. Edson Barbosa has taken a lot of damage, dude. He looked so for as much as the two fight win streak that he was on coming into here in which he redid his body, incredible shape. Remembery q overextended and got served yes we loved sort of this aging process of this great veteran and really legend he looked old he looked old in this fight he could not move his head was getting lit up with everything murphy i mean let's go through some of his fights right so he lost this one he got beat up a lot in this fight he had the sadiq yusuf fight he won that one but dude that first round he got the shit Youssef fight. He won that one, but dude, that first round, he got the shit kicked out of him.

Billy Quarantillo, that one didn't go very long. That one was fine. Bryce Mitchell beat the shit out of him. Giga Chikadze beat the shit out of him. The Burgos fight,

he won that one, but that one was a little bit back and forth as well. I don't remember the Amir Khani fight. Ige took it to him. Paul Felder, that was back and forth.

Justin Gaethje knocked him out cold. Yikes. And I can go, Kevin Lee, Habib Nurmagomedov, I can go on down the list. Dude, he has taken an absolute metric ton of damage. He seems like a nice guy. He has competed with every ounce he has in his body to give what he can to this sport. I salute him.

What joy he has brought us the wheel kick on Terry Adam, the whole nine yards. I'm starting to get uncomfortable with how much damage he's taking. And if they don't adjust his matchmaking, I don't know if he should be in some of these fights, man. I really, I know he's come off the window of the corn till I get your concern.

I'm not there on that. I'm there more on the, as great as Murphy looked and he did. And he really, you know, handled all categories and all aspects of that matchup. I can't like put the title contender stamp on Murphy and throw him into battle against the top five because of this,

right? The, I feel like there were elements of why he had this level of success that Barbosa was just following him around, not moving his head and just getting lit up constantly. So it was sad to see in that regard, but big win for Murphy in the ghost, five hard rounds gets the closeup atop the poster for whoever was watching

on this night in the apex, which wasn't many, but Luke, he wasn't the only one who made at least a little bit of a statement. How about Walter weight chaos Williams against Carlton Harris, showing us that those Carlston Carlston showing us that those hands are legitimately dangerous. But what I didn't like was when they asked him, you know, give him the opportunity to do the call out. Who do you want to fight? Whoever the company wants. This is what I'm about. Can we just get past that? Can these

fighters be businessmen, please? I'm not saying you always have to have the catchy call out and do the Conor McGregor, your whole family or hoes. Like, you don't have to do that. That's too far. But dude, that's a big moment in a co-main event. You get a big knockout like that and you look great in doing it. Put yourself over, stamp it home. You know what I'm saying?

He got Harris out of there quicker than Shavkat Rachmanov did. I'm not saying he's better than Rachmanov. I'm just saying it was a great performance. Build on it, man. I don't know. Again, we try to tell them, hey, be in a union so you can

make money we don't want that shit they don't want to make money sam lv was right don't make money the other person i want to mention on their friend of the program friend of the best mma fighters with great hands adrian yanez i know you're gonna correct me and say no bc it's cassaris it's yanez and he told me that to my face it's yanez okay sorry adrian adrian yanez. And he told me that to my face. It's Jan Jez. Okay, sorry, Adrian. Adrian Jan Jez. Boy, did he need a big one here, Luke. He delivered in a big way. Does this, is he back?

Does this redeem the step backs that he's had of Lee? I heard him say, if you actually listen to the broadcast, as soon as he knocks them out, he goes over to the commentary table, or maybe where Dana was, I don't know. But he said, I'm so sorry for 2023, that'll never happen again. Wow. Okay, I saw that conversation. I didn't know what he was saying. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know. But he said, I'm so sorry for 2023. That'll never happen again. Wow.

Okay, I saw that conversation. I didn't know what he was saying. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know. You know, listen, that's a big claim, and we'll have to see. He did have some setbacks. He is so clearly better than the caliber of fighter that the opponent, he was here.

And so just to get, like, listen, I'll say this. I thought the matchmaking here was great. He needed to be dialed back in level of competition. This is a great tune-up for him. Who did he beat? What's the man's name? Vinicius Salvador. Yes.

And he was just much, much, much better than him. And knocked him out. He nearly knocked him out a couple times. The shots were very, very close. So this was a great win for me. Is he back? He has to prove it against the elite guys. Sure.

We don't want to know that to that point. But he looked awesome here. He did exactly what he was supposed to. Shouts to Adrian Yanez. Great win. this weekend on friday night in paris luke we had we're not going to talk about the titty punch oh that's up in the uh in the have you seen okay okay okay so you're about to see some of that shiite get a little tattoo on titty coming your way luke pfl tour was in paris and we've had a lot of issues about the direction of a lot of things going on under the PFL banner. I wanted

to watch this card. I wanted to have the great analysis. I wanted to be able to debate and tell you did Patchy Mix do enough in a split decision win over Magomed Magomedov in their largely unnecessary rematch to defend his Bellator Bantamweight title. Luke, it airs now on Max in the US.

HBO Max. I watched live. I tried to watch on replay because I missed it live covering, or maybe I was just covering my life at that point. It's not available on demand on Max. I could not find streams online or

YouTube replays because they've been taken down. This is the company, the TV site, the TV arm that they signed with. I wanted to watch the fights. I'm not going to put out a video taking down ESPN Plus because that's Luke's territory. But Luke, this sucks. I actually wanted to fight. They're making it so

hard that even on its actual platform, I couldn't go back and watch it. So since you did watch it, Luke, did Patchy Mix take a step back? Did he deserve this victory? He had put Magomedov to sleep when they fought in the $1 million tournament a year and a half ago. This time around, it was a split decision, which many people have said the clean striking of Magomedov may have been enough to get the job done. What are your judging eyes say?

I thought that Pachy Mix was lucky to get this one one i thought magomedov had probably done enough he certainly had done the more damage in the fight now there was one there was a couple of them but there was one guillotine attempt from patchy that was very close and so how do you score that one versus damage that so he did have a couple of moments and one big one in particular where the fight could have been over but dude he looked not like the guy who ran over the bantamweight tournament in bellator uh under the previous well like what would be his motivation i know he got engaged we'll see that and have you seen this shit and shout out to him and tatiana suarez but like what are they doing with him they don't have a pfl division at bantamweight

he wasn't chosen for their sort of pay-per-view division that is it existing i haven't seen it right we haven't seen in ghanu or jake paul the big signees fight yet we haven't seen manda serrano or whatever get back in there in terms of the gimmicky stuff luke i feel like patchy mix is just on this island now where it's like if he doesn't look great we're gonna be like oh is he actually that good it's not that he just looked he he didn't have much head movement he was getting tagged in ways he'd never been tagged couldn't get the takedown as easily when he wanted it. Didn't go for the takedown. I mean, there was times where I was like,

dude, wrestle this guy. You're better than him on the mat. And he just wouldn't do it. Okay. Here's the, here's a hard question. How does he get out of this deal and fight the best in the world?

I don't know. I don't know because I wouldn't normally say that because I want competition. And if he's an asset for the PFL, protect it. They're not using him as an asset. They're putting, I mean, they are to sell the championship series on the road.

Yeah. But it's like, why was he in Paris? Why was that fight there? Why was he fighting Magomedov? It just doesn't make sense. I know. Cedric Dumbé fought on that card. And turned the place on fire.

By the way, the guy who beat Jaleel Willis, I think was an LFA champ previously. Played Steve Urkel on Family Matters. The point I'm trying to make, Jaleel Willis, not Jaleel White. Oh, sorry, sorry. He, you could have just had the card with him. You didn't need, again, granted, Apache Mix is one of the best in the world, so I understand why they put him on there, but.

Well, they want to have two champions defending belts per card. Well, they have to. And they had one. But also, like, we should just talk about this. You're seeing notable fighters from Bellator, in this case, Douglas Lima, now Gegard Mousasi,

who have complained that they have been told their contracts are worth too much. PFL doesn't want to pay him. They're just sitting on ice. Cyborg is tweeting every day, basically saying like, get me a fight. Like what's going on.

I can't believe that PFL thinks having more fighters with, who are basically cheap, but anonymous or live in relative anonymity, that that's a better model than the stars. Or they don't think that these guys are stars. They don't think Musashi or Lima or Cyborg are stars. In which case, let them go. How is this not available on the app?

Less than 48 hours. I just checked. Here's the thing. Is it available? No. I don't see it. I searched every keyword possible I searched in there, and it's not available. I guess it could be there. I don't see it. I searched every keyword possible I searched in there, and it's not available.

I guess it could be there. I don't see it. But what I was going to say was at least I got to watch it live. ESPN Plus doesn't even let me do that. But getting back to PFL, I saw something the other day. They put out a bout card, and it had like 14 fights, and so it had 28 like squares for fighters faces, then big PFL logo at the top.

And I'm like, dude, who is the fucking audience for this MMA? You don't need with fighters. You've never heard of in a format that no one likes because it takes away elbows. You think that is your fucking path to profitability or maybe they don't, maybe they just want to build a PFL and then just sell it and be on their way.

I don't really know. But that is a bridge to nowhere. Okay, Long Island Luke, can I bring you in? You told me something pre-show that was interesting. That he has HIV? He did say that, unfortunately. Elevator, multiple women. But Long Island Luke, that question you pondered.

The patchy mix Tatiana one? No, the other one. What was the other one? So what he basically says is there's something contractually that is preventing PFL from combining the two banners for a certain point based on the language of the sale. I haven't heard this. Have you heard something like this? I've heard that they have to air Bellator for a year. Separately.

Separately. And then they could dissolve the brand. But in acquiring it, they had to air it for a year. Separately. Separately. And then they could dissolve the brand. But in acquiring it, they had to air it for a year. Yeah. So they're forced to do this, which is my major complaint right now. Here's basically what I'm saying is I don't want you to fail PFL. I like some of the. They're gonna.

I like the gun at the hip nature. I don't get mad when Don Davis comes out and says, no, we're here to take all. We're here to compete. Then put your best foot forward. Are you telling me, Luke, based on what Long Island Luke is insinuating, raised by an Australian father, that there's a contractual element that's stopping them, that they have to do this this way? I think it's cute that you don't believe me and that you think that PFL actually could just rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic, and somehow find a way to profitability when there's actually nothing they can do.

Okay, the best thing they can do is drop the seasonal format, put their roster together. I agree with that. Have one title per division and try to compete as an alternate and try to get big free agents and do a lot of pay-per-views. I agree. That's probably how you could be. I agree they could do things better,

but the idea that they could do things better and then last is just people are just fantasizing about things that are never going to happen all right how good is cedric going to be he's a fucking star over there i mean the first of all do you see who was there in attendance to watch him fight victor when bonana that's that's a good guy right like the big the new nba sensation obviously he's french wait does bellator utilize the smart cage or just like a regular size intelligence i? I think they use... Like GED cage? So there's honor roll and then there's merit roll.

I think it's the merit roll cage. You know what I mean? Like the kind that get Bs in their classes and then get threes on their AP exams when they take them. He is incredible. And I'm going to say this. I don't know what kind of star he's going to be here, but he's a massive star for them in France,

which is obviously a burgeoning market in Europe, probably more generally. Use him as much as you possibly can. And's going to be here, but he's a massive star for them in France, which is obviously a burgeoning market in Europe probably more generally. Use him as much as you possibly can, and he appears to be a natural. His takedown defense was so much better than I thought it was going to be, especially given his last contest. They've got something with him. Now, what would that ultimately lead to? I don't know. But, dude,

putting Francis over there, putting Cedric on a card with Francis, if they could ever do that. Paul Hughes in that area of the world. Dude, they could do big things in Europe. I'll give them that. If they want to do big things in Europe when the UFC is just kicking their feet up at the apex,

door is open for that, for sure. Interesting stuff. All right, Luke, those are your five topics of the week. Now we open the floor up to the fans who every Sunday night respond to our Instagram post at Morning Combat, soliciting your questions for the two hosts to answer. This one's called DMS. Oh man,

you're supposed to get rid of that. We're also supposed to have a new trailer and we don't have that either. So there's lots of things we don't have. I'll get on Matt Snyder for that. We don't even have a producer here today. You know, you've had a producer credit for a long time. Luckily though.

Okay. Let's go to question number one from marvin lee davis great question here what who is the equivalent of what alexander usik has done i'm thinking in the in the heavyweight division and boxing is there an equivalent of that in ufc history would you argue that the closest answer is Randy Couture? He's pretty close, Penn, to an extent, but I mean, there the comparison falls apart. Honestly, I would sort of say it's kind of the spirit of Frankie Edgar at lightweight a little bit.

Okay. Where it's not, you don't have the two weight classes or the fact that this guy has won at every single level, at the highest level he's tried. You're not equating Couture beating Sylvia over five rounds to what Usyk did to Fury. You're not going to take that.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. But there's some parallels, obviously, because of the size disparity. But it's something like that. It's something like Edgar kind of competing way outside of his normal size and still having success. But the equivalent to Usyk in MMA doesn't exist. Fair point. Let's go from... What about Triple C?

Two-time champion and Olympic gold medal. The guy who got folded by Demetrius Johnson before he ever won a title? Yeah, no, not that guy. It's not an awful comparison. A guy that's cerebral, a little bit smaller. This is what makes Usyk unique. There are some portions of it that are parallel. Sure. And then there are some portions of it that are a parallel. Sure.

And then there are some portions where it completely falls apart. His comedy is so much better than Captain Cridge's. I mean, that's not saying much. I mean, when he calls Fury greedy belly, I can't stop laughing every single time. He calls Fury greedy belly? That's what he was during the- Him and Schlomenko.

I am beat you. I am feel. Yes. I am feel. Double kebab. Yes. All right, let's go to at CZodyBear. ZodyBear.

Devin Haney is pushing legal action to get the result of the Ryan Garcia fight turned into a win. Do you think that this will actually hurt Haney's career slash reputation going forward with how the fight played out if he does somehow get it turned into a victory? Basically, they're saying,

should he just let it go? He won't. He won't. They're never going to turn that into a W. It's never going to happen. They did it for that Boutte fight against... You mean the one that was a draw? It was a draw against Spotted Jack.

And then they turned it into a W? Yeah, that's different. Boutte failed the test. They gave him the win. They did not do that like they should have when your favorite fight in D.C. when AmeriCon defeated Lamont Peterson. I'm sorry, the other way around. Peterson defeated him by disputed, questionable, controversial decision.

And then Peterson pops. And then they don't even change it to a no contest. They just leave it as a win. They did leave it as a win. What is DC doing? First of all, the baristas in DC are so unhappy. With you. With life.

No, no, no, no. Just you. Just you. They're nice to me. They're not going to turn into a W. A draw being turned into a W is one thing. This was a, I don't want to say a one-way ass-kicking, but a lot of ass-kicking.

The cards were kind of close, but not really in the end. But I've never seen one get an L in the sort of authoritative fashion where you got it, and then it's flipped to a W. No contest, 100% they're going to do that. But a win? It'll never happen. What elements of the way Haney is handling this, do you think it's hurting his reputation at all?

No, it's hurting him with boxing Twitter. He has every right to pursue this. If it was just one thing or the other, I would be like, kind of let it go. But it's both of those things, and the weight miss in particular is really quite egregious. He has very right to do it. That rematch

it's going to be big though it's going to be sick dude i can't wait for that at welterweight it's got to be indeed uh let's go to number four no three maybe i don't know but it's at from at me gherk what would you like to see incorporated into the ufc apex to make it suck less example less fights and more fans no commentary only, only sounds of strikes, or fighter watch party reactions. I mean, fighter watch parties would do zero for me. Okay, so I brought up this idea pre-show with Long Island Luke where I said, look, what if you, because we always say, bring in bleachers, bring in real fans, like jazz it up, rather than the hundred or so people that paid a couple thousand to be there. Why don't you bring in, since there's so many local fighters that live in Vegas, train in Vegas, go to the PI,

give them free tickets, free booze, have a UFC fighter section where they all sit, and then you have a camera pointing at them and they get crazy reactions and it drives up the ambience or just bring in some degenerate gamblers and let them sit in the front row. I mean, do something to spice this up.

Look, it's not hard. It's really not that hard in reality. It's really not that hard. Or. It's really not that hard. Or just make better fights. You could do that, too. Yeah, that also could fix it. I have said that, yes, bringing in more people would be a little bit better. You could do a little bit WEC style.

Or Ultimate Fighter for now. Or no, I'm sorry. Yeah, Ultimate Fighter. Remember they have the fights with crowds there? At the end. I went to one of them, as a matter of fact. Yes. Did you see Tyron Woodley, by the way, said he wants to plan an MMA comeback? And he says the reason why

his career fell apart with the UFC was fighting in the apex and just having no motivation or care to be there. That doesn't explain how he lost to Usman, which was not in the apex. It was lifeless, his loss. And that was part of all of the losses. Okay, so maybe, you know, I mean, he will beat your ass over,

you know, I remember that's a great rap single he's put out there. He showed his ass on a few movies, roles, but he's grasping at this point to get back in the game, it sounds like. I don't know. I mean, he's doing commentary with PFL. I don't know what that pays, but there's that. I'm just going to say, like, what can be done to fix the apex?

Getting out of the apex. Okay, but if you're not going to, and I get the financial part of having that in your holster, even if they're doing it once a month or whatever, bring in as many real fans as you can. Liven up the atmosphere. It's easy. I think bringing fans to fights that are not super consequential has very limited upside. I honestly feel like

the better thing to do is make better fights. I wish somebody in a press conference would raise their hand and just say, hey, Dana, given the year-over-year financial record-breaking growth that you guys are constantly having, the ticket prices

are through the roof, they're selling out in seconds everywhere. $20 million gate for the Conor fight. How the hell do we justify the matchmaking of late and why is the Apex card

suck so much? Because they have to produce enough content in order to. But I want an answer. Although, remember that time Mick Maynard defended it all on Twitter? It's like, like yeah which cards have been bad i'm like dude i mean the pay-per-views dude 298 299 300 were all amazing yes but the apex cards are i mean no the the people are like i'm sick of morning complaint not morning complaint you know like i by the way

the guy ben yes the guy ben is making he he, he's a professional weed grower. Yeah. Ben Field, he's growing us a plant that's called Morning Complaint. I get video updates all the time. It's fascinating to watch. Yeah, I can't wait to try. But we've become Morning Complaint a lot, right? Because we're calling out, hey, PFL, get your shit together. Hey, Dana, stop lying to us about power slap numbers.

Blah, blah, blah. Dude, how do people not see what's going on in the MMA industry and think? Like, how do you look around? Again. I don't want to complain is my point. The big pay-per-views have, to this point in the last like few months have been great. Like no doubt about it.

But how do you look at the industry right now and think like everything is functioning well and service to the consumer is the number one priority of either PFL or UFC. How do you, how do you, you, you, you have to like lie to yourself to get to that position.

I've been in that as a boxing fan for years. It's been a lot of lying to myself. Okay. I don't want to be there with MMA. That's been the consistent. And a lot of times, look, like,

let's be honest. This is our careers. So when we're complaining, we're cheering for the sport to put it. Same thing I did for years as a boxing journalist. You're openly complaining for the sport you cover that feeds your family to be as good as it can be so that everybody wins, right? The fights are more exciting. There's more money to be made.

There's more job opportunities. We have a stake in this. We're not just two critical old UFC fans who want it the old way. Dude, this is our livelihood. This is our life. This is our passion. I don't want the UFC to suck when they have this much money and this deep of a roster, right? Again, $298, $. Again, 298, 299,

300, amazing. I know what it's, I have lived through eras when the UFC was trying their ass off and killing it most of the time. And right now, they are killing it sometimes, but it's very inconsistent. They're killing it softly. Or, you know, hardly. Well, that doesn't make sense either, but you can do it.

Hey, we have a fourth question, a DM dive here from at Fergal Fitz. If Pauly way beats Islam Mahachev, will Dustin have the best UFC resume of any first time UFC champion? So when you say best resume, it's like best wins, maybe. So at the time of winning their first title, does he have the most accomplished resume? Like someone like Glover to share who came into the title late had a pretty damn accomplished resume but poirier's

next level compared to that right again the losses when you say resume you can't just ignore the losses but if you were if you were trying to say has the best resume in terms of big name wins he probably would be right because you again mcgregor twice we've been through it chandler and gaethje and eddie and many others as well yeah he might max twice max twice uh bobby green no i'm sorry um um olivera uh didn't he get olivera back in the day or no olivera whipped him whipped him the other way around okay okay there you go all right we got one more for you and it's from at sovereign mind 519 luke thomas how was cannibal corpse live in dc the nation's capital with your lovely wife by the way she is a saint for enduring this she loved it she loved it okay maybe i need to question her then um would she ever appear on the show because you you know my wife and kids do not want to be

associated with this they just want to cash the checks respectfully um your wife appeared on our dock yeah that time she might i mean she might i wouldn't want her to because the internet's filled with ghouls but that's true um so i didn't end up actually meeting them it kind of didn't work you you went to the concert they opened for who they opened so there was four bands there was like frozen soul obituary cannibal corpse and then the headliner was amana marth and i don't want i don't listen to amana marth it's not it's viking metal it's not for me it's what too poppy commercial for you it's not that it's just corny as shit i mean okay i want to talk about this just a second is it like i like classic rock but jethro tull with the flute is too much is it like one of those something like that so like here's what you

have to understand i've never been invited backstage before i didn't know what that meant yes so i went kind of early thinking i'll get them before they head out on stage because i didn't i don't i don't know what the fuck i'm doing so i get there early and sure enough we i was like i went to will call i'm like i think on the – because the guy told me. He's like, you're on the guest list. I was like, I'm on the guest list. So she goes, give me your name. I gave it to her.

She comes back with an envelope, and in the envelope, there was two tickets. They were great. And then there were two passes for the after show. Is that when they bite the heads off of children? They feed them to Komodo Dragon. Yes, yes. And so I'm like well fuck dude because i didn't know i was gonna have to do this afterward my child care my lady had to go home at 11 30 dude you could have met george corpse grinder i know hold on but my my we had the babysitter

till 11 30 there was nothing i could do so the show ended at like 11 20 and i waited in the back when they told us to queue up we had to give us stickers for it and they're like i was like how long is this gonna take he's like dude like when the tour is ready the tour is ready so we waited till like the last minute we actually ended up being late at home 11 45 i had to get her like a nice uber home i didn't meet him so i once we got there and i realized oh fuck this is for afterwards i actually emailed the guy because i didn't have his number and he responded he was like dude don't worry if you can make it you can make it don't sweat it blah blah and this is the lead guitarist it's the lead guitarist Eric Rutan is he the original guy too no he took over when the other guy lost

his mind but he was oh the guy that did he's from a band called hate eternal uh and then he joined this one so in the end I didn't get to see him but you ask you I wanted to say this so I don't go to shows like Amon Amorth that's not what I do okay I don't go to Viking Metal I don't go to fucking I don't go to okay don't don't use this as a setup to defend the metal that you do go to because it's not good all right fine but we don't do this at my shows so the viking metal donks get out there and they're doing yo ho ho and a bottle of rum and i'm like it's the corniest shit i've ever seen in my life so it's like pirate songs it's pretty close okay i didn't realize this when i go to like dying fetus or cannibal corpse and they start playing dude it's like pirate songs? Pretty close. Okay. I didn't realize this. When I go to like Dying Fetus

or Cannibal Corpse and they start playing dude, it's, I mean, you got, it's time to knuckle up. Like, it gets busy on the fucking floor, okay? Not at Viking Metal shows. Do you know what they do? First time I've ever seen this, but apparently it happens all the time. When they're playing some of their like

yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum songs, like just the lamest shit you ever heard in your life, the audience all sits down, gets in a row and pretends like they're rowing a boat. And I was like, I was like, I didn't, I didn't say this,

but I was thinking, you know, I'm at an elevated position. Oh, stop. Oh, come on. I'm not saying anything. I'm not saying anything. Dime bag Daryl, please.

Okay, too soon. I'm like, where's one of these when you need it? You know what I mean? But I didn't say that. I didn't say that. It just went through my mind. It was the lamest fucking thing. So you're like, if a white lion Rhode Island fire broke out, you'd be happy to leave?

I mean, I was tempted to just turn back into like my primate self and just start flinging my feces at them. Thank you, G.G. Allen. All right. Long Island Luke, is that not lame as shit to row a boat on the floor? That's pretty whack. Well, yeah, but what's the alternative? To just run with my fist out into all these other donks? Dude, playing the knockout game with you is much better than rowing imaginary boats.

We may or may not, I hope may, be going to Gervonta and David Benavidez. Yes. The PPC doubleheader, June 15th in Vegas. I hope. We're finalizing those plans. Dead & Company residency at the Sphere. Have you seen the early videos and pictures? So I did see the videos.

It looks crazy. Dude, it looks. It looks crazy. Dude, it looks, I talked to one of our best MK viewers. Josh was there on opening night and he said he, he took too many, too many shrooms. So he didn't get the full, he didn't,

it's hard to give, but he said it was like life changing and life altering. Look, that does look whatever substances are going to be in your body. Even if nothing, even if just caffeine, that does look like something that you'll never forget. And in fact, you owe me a concert you don't want to be at.

You know what I'm saying? I do owe you. I'm going to honor the bet. But I don't know if that's fair to be like, okay, then buy $300 tickets to the sphere or whatever the hell they cost, you know? Maybe Showtime could, oh, wait. That's not fair. All right.

Hey, you know what else I did this weekend, guys? I scoured the globe for the highs and lows, the good, the bad, the ugly, and the in-between, right, as we wrap up DMs from Donks. In the worlds of combat sports and beyond, I'm looking for viral videos that make Luke Thomas laugh. This one's called, Have You Seen This Shit? That's like Axl Rose-like at the end, right? He's like Axl Rose like at the end, right?

He's racist. All right, Luke, we're going to start off out there in Saudi for Fury vs. Usyk. How about this? We should have seen it coming. How about this? Oh, fucking hell. Cossack warrior inspired garb. I don't think it's Cossack.

Cossack. The Cossack warriors. Oh, Cossack. Yes, yes, yes. Luke, this is, we should have seen this coming when we saw his face and this outfit coming out, like all business. Bro, you come out with feathers or dead animals on your head and you're from Eastern Europe or a former Soviet bloc.

Yeah. Yo, it's curtains for you bitches. Fury's walkout, alternatively, was not the pomp and circumstance we're used to. There wasn't like a king's throne. He was dancing and shit, you know, but yeah. All right. Dude, he had, he wasn't treating Usyk like he treated Wilder, calling him a big dosser and shit.

You didn't see any of that. Okay, so what we talked about in the pre-fight was true. He couldn't get in Usyk's head. No. How much of Fury's power is the mental game? That's a big part of the overall power that he brought. I don't mean punching power. I mean his strength as a fighter.

He's a great, unique, unorthodox boxer. He does have power. He's 6'9". Dude, he gets in your head. He couldn't do that at all to Usyk. And also, he just has a certain kind of swag at times. He didn't have that this time. Not much. That's interesting. Saudi also brought out the stars upon personal

invite from Turkey Al-Ashiq. There's Ryan Garcia meeting your guy, Ronaldo Luke. Yeah, there he is. CR7, baby. The pride of Saudi Arabia. What do they talk about because we once saw mcgregor and ronaldo ringside for a saudi card what do you think these two are talking about i mean bitches and cocaine definitely not you know uh astrophysics and yeah yeah yeah fibonacci sequence well ragai met many champions this weekend in saudi including this guy has beulah's biggest rival abdu rozic luke

just throw that motherfucker in the gym i mean when is turkey gonna give us that fight that we need just throw just throw him in the jet engine okay that's way too far has beulah versus abdu rozic what's the early line oh these two fucks yo no it should be him and abdu rozic versus devin haney with with uh what's his face on top? So it's like a chicken water dance? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they're doing the pool? Yeah, yeah.

I don't know about that. Let's go to Eddie Hearn. So you know how Ryan Garcia and Eddie Hearn have a beef going on? I've heard of it, yes. They were both in Saudi. Here's an interview with Eddie Hearn when they were asking him, what's going to happen if you run into Ryan? Go ahead, get a quick reaction to, I'm sure you would have seen a video of Ryan Garcia happen if you run into Ryan. in enough trouble at the moment, isn't he? If he wants to try and punch me, he'd definitely be first to the punch.

What happens after? How you doing? What happens after? We'll see. He's a professional fighter. I'm an old man. If he wants to punch me, he'll punch me.

As I said, we'll see how that goes for him. There's a bit of this going on in Saudi Arabia this week. I know. Luke, it sounded to me like Eddie was saying fuck around and find out.

Am I wrong here? Give him the old fucking knife. So he is six foot seven, Eddie Hearn. People don't always remember that. He is big. He's large. That doesn't mean much. You can be tall and fight for like a hoe.

Do you think he's trying to say, okay, Ryan, you're the faster hand. You're the pro boxer. You're going to hit me once. But if I don't go down. He's just saying some bullshit, but he's not doing his backing down. That's what I love. Like, what he's saying is in any way relevant. No, but like, stick into his guns.

Fuck you. I love that about boxing. I do like Eddie Hearn. I am an Eddie Hearn guy. We're talking about Turkey Al-Ashiq when we're talking about Saudi Arabia. We're talking about his ability, Luke, to get people in the room together who don't want to be together to sign deals and maybe repair friendships. He's now taking on what is considered the juiciest rivalry in all of combat sports. Listen in when Turkey showed up on Ariel's show with a proposition.

And a small direct message for you. When you finish your fight with Dana White, we want to see you together. I have a direct message now to Dana White and to you. It is time to turn the page and beginning new page. And I invite you in the card of the end of June in UFC or in the card of the boxing in the first of June, because I know you are in the 18 is busy. And I invite you to London and Los Angeles.

And if you come to the card, the UFC card, any card with us in Riyadh or the next card in Riyadh or in the Vegas card in the sphere, I want to sit me and you and Dana White together. or the next card in Riyadh, or in the Vegas card in the Sphere, I want to sit me and you and Dana White together. Well, that means a lot to me, more than you know. You think that you can broker peace between Dana White and I? I'm not so sure. I don't know if he wants to make peace.

I would be open to it. I'm not sure if he is open to it. I will try my best, but I think he's a smart guy. And I think he's a business guy. I don't think he takes a lot of things as personal. And let's see. I will try my best. Because I want you to be good. Turkey, you had me until

that moment. You had me until like, you know what, Luke? Maybe he could. Maybe he could sit Dana and Ariel down and break bread and make it happen. But then when he goes, I think Dana's about business. He wouldn't take things personal. Yeah.

That's what he does. But Luke, what Turkey's trying to say is that if, if we can change, you can change or whatever the Rocky four speech was. If he could actually get Dana and Ariel sat down, then I'm going to invite Turkey to New York. Cause maybe he can bridge that gap between you and Joanna.

I don't think anybody cares except you. Could you imagine if Turkey brings that together, brings us and Joanna together, you and Joanna, me and Joanna together? That's what you want. No, I was talking about like a union. No, that's what you want. Like a union. Do you think that he can do that?

No. No. No, zero chance. So Dana won't even be on camera with it. He won't even be like in the same room dude they made ariel leave like he couldn't even be within a line of sight of dana at any point when he was working at espn it's not possible and you know some of the closed door meetings that we've talked about before and things that have been said it's it's not going to happen one day one day i'll be able to tell that story publicly that's an interesting one um speaking

of dana luke i know that you already know that PowerSnap is huge in your home nation of India, right? Holy shit, dicks. Dana's got some updated statistics for us. This is the biggest. When I say that this is the biggest thing on social media, we started this 13 months ago. This thing has 13 million followers on social media. I've been on social media since, like, I was one of the first fucking Twitter guys, right? I have 20 million followers. This media i've been on social media since like i was one of the first fucking twitter guys right i have 20 million followers this thing already has 13 it's bigger than the nhl it's bigger than uh the pga nascar we're crushing it we're about to pass major league

baseball as far as numbers go right wow then now when you talk about numbers, views on this thing, take every sport on earth, combine all their numbers together, and multiply it by four. Power slap beats it. Isn't that fascinating? I'm buying an island. Remember that? I'm buying an island. It doesn't even match Real Madrid's numbers, much less all of every sport. So people are trying to figure out what he's saying.

Is he saying the TikTok numbers or is he just lying? Is he just completely lying? Or he's just confused. That's possible too. Because nobody I know actually watches this. Seriously. The only time I hear about Power Slap is when people are making fun of it. Like no one I know in any capacity is either aware of it or watching

just about rumble because I don't think the other sports are on rumble. Right. So maybe the rumble doesn't have like an audience like YouTube does. It's a much, maybe he has four times all the sports combined on rumble. Maybe that's the truth. Maybe. So maybe on rumble,

they are like, just, I could be like, we're the biggest show on my space. Like, well, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, on Rumble, they are like just. I could be like, we're the biggest show on MySpace. Like, well, okay. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

Yeah. You know, on Friendster, I have more than every team combined. Okay. All right. Let's go to the baseball pitch. Luke, we got to see some shenanigans here. Just a bit inside. Wow.

Look inside the groin, right? Look at this. Suck a dick, ref. Enjoy that. Wow. That was great. I went to another baseball game did i tell you the gnats i went to gnats versus o's the orioles who do the gnats have no uh the last time i was there soto was their big star they traded him to ds and diego now he's in the yankees fucking killing it do they have anyone good at this they don't have any major all-star

who do they have like ryan zimmerman and oh, they got a bunch of young guys. They got a bunch of young guys. Oh, what about that pitcher, Steven Stachowicz? Strasburg? Yeah, Strasburg. He retired. He retired. He just started like a couple years ago. No, he started in like 2013. He got thoracic outlet syndrome. He's done. The hell's that? Left-handed Tommy John? It's like the new Tommy John. Like, you can't

recover from it. Thoracic back? Alright. Hey, Luke, remember those MMA knockout memes that we feel so uncomfortable showing? I don't uncomfortable they won't stop let's watch another one here look from ufc 300 what do you think about this oh shit oh he has the higher ground anakin slice them in half do we endorse this publicly i don't know i mean it's it's humor i feel bad for the guys but this is the internet today all Well, they didn't stop there from Holloway Gaethje. Let's go to Sonic the Hedgehog. Luke, this is great.

Now, who is this weird motherfucker who's waiting on the rings? Oh, boy. He looks like the Hamburglar, doesn't he? Hamburglar covers his eyes like Batman and Robin, you know? That's true. Is this one better than the Star Wars? It's a little long. It's a little long.

All right. Well, we got one more for you from rosso shevchenko one not bad okay didn't move you didn't give you the movement you're looking for all right well luke here's your real edit of the week of this fantastic fight involving darth vader involving Darth Vader. Ah! Ow! Oh, that's so good. Shouts to Darth for just sending a fat bitch flying.

Luke, whether you like it or not, Adrian Broner's back on a Don King card coming up against Blair, the Flair Cobbs. Did you see on the actual poster, Don King had them right. If Broner shows up. Well, he did show up for the presser. Here's his mic drop moment. Pop bottles and fuck models and make more money.

Let's go, Don. We got money to make. Luke, I hate to say this about a man in his mid-90s, but is this weekend a don i mean is he alive look are we just like plugging him in he's literally living on a c-pap machine and below wow that's great well luke sign signs everywhere there's signs remember that well i can't have to see it it's okay to shit your pants. Yeah, can we normalize this? I've been knowing that. I've been knowing that.

About time we normalized that, all right? Let's go into the restaurant. Luke, you looking for work? I could use a side hustle. Where do I apply? Yes, yes. Now, does that count on myself? I can help myself with that.

I don't know if I can help another guy. That is gross. All right. It's time for MMA fighters in the wild. And this week's MMA MVP outside the cage, Michel Pereira, Luke, who in Brazil helped rescue all of these animals during the midst of a pretty serious storm.

Dude. Very, very, very, very, very nice thing to do. And more than just that, a pretty,

I mean, very commendable instantly became our favorite fighter from the seriously, dude, you just that, a pretty, I mean, very commendable. Instantly became our favorite fighter from this. Seriously, dude, you'd be, you know, this is like average Joe Hart. That guy nurses animals back to health. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. A real loving man, that guy.

Big fan of him. So shout out just the same. Let's go over to Arman Saruki and Luke. He's a bit of an animal lover himself. Look at how he disciplined this gator. Oh, why are we killing gators? I don't know if he killed him. I think he may just put him in a fireman's carry there. Dude, you do not put a gator like that on your shoulders. That's a lie. Maybe if you're a

badass, Luke. More fighters in the wild. In front of the Eiffel Tower was one patchy mix in Tatiana Suarez. This was the day before mix fought Michael Madoff a second time and he got down on one knee. Luke, they instantly vault up high in the MMA power rankings couples list, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Congratulations to them. Although what I will say is I don't love Paris that much. Forget Paris is what Billy Crystal once told us. Remember that movie when he was an NBA referee? It was weird. I forgot about that. Now, Long Island, you have a question related to this power couple for Luke.

I want you to ask it. So I was saying that Pachy Mix, maybe if he lost to Magomedov, which I think he did, could he become UFC champion before Tatiana, given how inactive Tatiana is? No. No. Yeah, don't be wishing injury on her. She's going to make a move this year. I think this is the year. Straight up, does she beat Whaley?

Yes. Wow. Whaley? Yes. Wow. Whaley can wrestle, though. For sure. Don't get me wrong. It's a great fight. Anyone can win that one. But yeah.

And finally, MMA fighters in the wild adjacent. Here's Joe Rogan on his podcast. With suits. Yeah, I got a bunch of custom-made suits. All right. Because I can't wear regular suits. I don't fit in them. You know?

There's not a lot of 200-pound 5'8'' dudes. I mean, there's a lot of 200 pound 5'8 dudes i mean there's a lot of 200 pound 5'8 yeah joe's not one of them though luke right yeah that's what he self he self-identifies so i've seen joe in person is he 200 pounds that's not the the the stat in question luke the weight is not in question oh you're the 5'8 part you just took that like as face value like when like oh i got a girlfriend in the other county is he 5'8 part? You just took that as face value. Like, oh, I got a girlfriend in the other county. Is he 5'8? I don't think he's 5'8. I mean, Tyson Fury's not 6'9, but I'll tell you Joe Rogan ain't 5'8.

Dude, what are we doing here? Yeah, he's probably not 5'8. We got proof here. You know who's listed at 5'5? Rose Namajunas. Yeah, he's probably closer to 5'7. I think something like that. Luke, he's closer to 5'4 if you look at this closely, okay? My wife is 5'4. He's taller than my wife. You're always defending this guy no no i like the joke but he's not 5'4 that's not all right do you like when comedians call him joseph all the time

i think the worst thing that's ever happened to most podcast most comedians that they have podcasts oh they're gonna say reddit that was the worst thing that happened to comedians a few of them all right all right let's go yes more it's more than one yeah let's go to mma action from They have podcasts. Oh, they're going to say Reddit. That was the worst thing that happened to comedians, a few of them. All right. All right. Let's go. It's more than one. Yeah. Let's go to MMA action from over the weekend.

Luke, here is Bellator feathery Eve Landau. Landu. Sorry. Landu. Dude, this is maybe the degree of difficulty on the celebration is through the roof. That is fantastic. I love this. He's breakdancing on his dome, dude.

Yeah, dude. He did great. He was going elbow to head. Oh, he really did. He went to spinning top right on the dome. Yeah. Yeah. That's adancing on his dome, dude. Yeah, dude, he did great. He was going elbow to head. Oh, he really did. He went to spinning top right on the dome. Yeah, yeah, that's a 10 out of 10 right there. Damn, I love that. All right, let's go to Bantamweight Melissa Gatto in the UFC card, Luke. Landing a jab to the boob to earn a TKO win as referee Chris Tagnoni explains what happened.

He got hit in the breast. That's not an illegal shot. She cannot turn away from the wall. Chris Tagnoni explains what happened. He got hit in the breast. That's not an illegal shot. She cannot turn away from the ground. Chris Tagnoni explaining. Nice jab. It's because he got punched there. Straight to the chest. Should that be legal? It's an illegal shot. Should that be a legal shot in women's MMA? I have never thought

about titty strikes. It was a straight knockout blow. By the way, it wasn't the only one she landed. She landed a few of those jabs and crosses to the chest. A couple times her opponent, what was her last name? I don't have it here. Oh, Tamaris Vidal was the fighter who took that. She covered up a couple times.

Ladies and gentlemen, referee Chris Tione is called to stop to this contest. You can kill the audio. 37 seconds of round number three. Declared the winner by TKO, Melissa. So I showed that part to show you that she actually brought the boob ice pack to the post fight. I mean, should we just be progressive on this and stop being, you know, stop doing shit jokes and poopy peepee? I mean, there was a KO to the boob, Luke. This is like a monumental moment.

I mean, we always, oh, did you see that cell? That's only the third cell you love stretch in history. Look, that's the first tattoo on Titi. Sulu Ev from Amar Sulu Ev, who was a good middleweight. It's like that scene from Kingpin where Woody Harrelson, a.k.a. Roy Munson, is punching the titties of, what's her name? Vanessa, what's her name? Not the landlord that did this.

No, no, no, no. Vanessa. Boy, you really knocked something loose, Munson. Hey, you know what the best line from that movie is? Hey, Roy, can you get sick drinking piss? Yes. Even if it's your own? Great line.

Well, Luke, kicking off the UFC card was friend of the program in a way. Vanessa Dimopoulos, who actually had a really good win, split decision over Emily Ducote to continue her shriek of jumping in the arms post-fight. This time she got Paul Felder. Are you sick of this move yet, or are we still good with it? Again, I didn't watch this card but for the reason that I

had to for my job, so I just don't care. Okay, thank you very much. And to close on MMA Recap of the Week, we mentioned Cedric Dumbé had the crowd eating out of the palm of his hand. Listen to the crowd during this finish. To intercept any of that forward movement. Smart, smart. I noticed that strategically.

Oh, right hand. The crowd loves it. Dube working with the right hand. Beltran asking for work from DeLos. Oh, there was the knee. I guess we're going to act like we didn't. Did it land on the head or was it the chest? Chest.

You're right. It's on. Cedric Jumpey. Dude, they can't do, there's nothing they can do to have an experience like that in the States. Not in the Apex. Dude, not anywhere. PFL can't do that anywhere in the United States. No, no.

But in France, they can do that. Just stay there, dude. What do you think about Anthony Pettis getting announced as his next opponent on a fall pay-per-view? I like it. I mean, the fall pay-per-view, I don't know. But that fight, I like it. What if it's Ngannou versus Henan Fahada in the main event? Fine. Not for pay-per-view, but fine. It has to be a pay-per-view if Ngannou versus Henen Fajita in the main event? Fine.

Not for pay-per-view, but fine. It has to be a pay-per-view if Ngannou's fighting on it. I mean, I'm just saying I don't want it to be. Okay. Right? All right, Luke, let's go to some paper art here. What do we got going on? Do you ever used to do this?

You write a little picture on the corner, and then you flip it, and it animates, Luke? And we've reached climax. There we go. I had a buddy of mine who could program a cartoon of him banging one of our math teachers on his TI 85. He programmed every picture and then like essentially a cartoon of it into his,

into his calculator. And then you graduated by going to the Marines and learned how to run trains. And then it wasn't virtual anymore. There's a great backstory here. Let's go to your t-shirts of the week. Luke, always a friendly segment.

I eat pussy like fat kids eat cake. And this guy looks like your dentist. All right. It's a little much. That is, that is a little much. Did I play, did you,

did I skip one? Luke, you want to play it? I don't even think I put this in there. I don't know what the fuck that is. Yeah, I didn't put that in there. That was a mistake. Sorry. Sorry, was it? Yeah, it's okay.

We have one more t-shirt of the week, Luke. Does this win top honors? Wrong one. I guess we're falling apart here. no other t-shirt of the week involves a saddle and a cake that's the only t-shirt we get all right there we go luke we're gonna just keep moving on here let's go to the what happened this weekend in boxing luke ukraine was on fire with usik winning usik in the locker room after beating fury turned on top rank on espn to watch denniserenczyk win the vacant lightweight title over Emmanuel Navarrete, who was going for titles in four weight classes.

Big upset. Dude, big upset. But how about Usyk representing there, dude, for the yellow and blue? How about those guys all on the 2013 Ukrainian national team? Vazdyk, Loma, Berenczyk, and Usyk. Amazing. All those guys were on the same team at the same time. Big time.

And then Loma had the big win just a couple weeks back. What a turn for Ukraine there. Luke, in the top-ranked co-main event, how about this? Brian Norman Jr. getting the upset win over Giovanni Santillan in their interim welterweight title bout. But look at the brutal nature of this finish. Santillan took incredible punishment en route to this stoppage. Hook, uppercut.

Oh, fuck me. Yeah. Oh, golly. Dude, this was brutal. Right hook. Oh, man. Stuck him. Damn.

And look at the pose right there. Look at the pose, Luke. Like he's outside the club. We mentioned Denis Berenchik in the main event beating Emmanuel Navarrete, so he called his shot afterwards. Let's hear what he had to say. Shakur, Stevenson, maybe Kishon Davis, Muratala. I don't know.

I don't give a fuck. Whoa, we apologize for the language, obviously, but we got to get him on the show after that. You know what I mean? Come on. By the way, finally someone's calling out Shakur Stevenson. You don't hear that very often. I know.

By the way, three of the four lightweight champions at the moment. Baranchuk is the fourth. Loma, Tank Davis, and Shakur Stevenson. Wow. Not bad at 135. We talked about all the names moving up to 140. Not bad. Very nice.

Also in boxing this week, we had a call-out, only it's not going to happen. Let's listen to the videotape. What the hell is going on here? All right. Anderson Silva. I've been training. Why is he having a fight?

I'm ready. June 15th, I'll see you at fight night. In Brazil, y'all. June 15th. I'll see you at fight night in Brazil, y'all. June 15th, let's go. Anderson Silva, me, you. Let's make it happen. What? Terry Crews here.

Brazil. So, Luke, that's Terry Crews from America's Got Talent. America's Got Nipples apparently Anderson then put out a video seemingly confirming it but then overnight it's going to be Anderson Silva boxing Chael Sonnen June 15th in Brazil

it'll be Silva's Brazil retirement fight he's apparently going to fight on after that what are we doing here dude I don't want to see Chael back at the Luxor again you know what I mean like I want to close that chapter in his career why is he doing this doing here, dude? I don't want to see Chael back at the Luxor again. You know what I mean? Like, I want to close that chapter in his career. Why is he doing this? I don't know.

I think it's fine. I don't care at all. Like, in a negative way. I mean, if it was a grappling match, you'd have a shot here, but he's going to get pieced up, Luke. Come on. Dude, you think Chael doesn't know this?

Okay, then why do we roll out Terry Crews? What is that about? I don't get this. I mean, that was a dumb joke. If that was supposed to be a joke, then they fucked that one up because it sucked. All right. Well, Luke, white chicks are going to white, so let's transition here.

We got a few more before we close up shop. Oh, bitch. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, bitch. We're good.

We're good. You're not good. Yeah, did it all for the gram, and there you go. All right. I would have done it all for the nookie in that situation, Luke. A woman in distress? Yeah. Let's keep it going here. you ever seen drunk chicks try to navigate stairs by the way i fell exactly like this one day because i was pissed drunk i walked away from them you know i would have been paralyzed if this happened sober right holy fucking shit dude you wow oh my god

she got eliminated from the royal rumble like that luke there you go once you go over you don't come back okay we got one more from the gym here you got to be careful when you're waiting on the machine all right got some peck decks and oh yeah some butterfly not butterfly but okay he's holding on to it because he's a puss oh what do you do apologize or just leaveologize or just leave? I'll probably just leave in that situation, right? Dude, I mean, first of all, don't stand on your fucking phone. Oh, wow.

Tough week for white chicks. All right, let's go to the fountain here, Luke. Don't piss in the fountain. Don't do it. You have respect for this guy, Luke? Now I do. Drink your piss, you fucking sick bastard. All right.

Well, it's time for dicks in the wild here. You got to be careful. They're like hidden Mickeys, Luke, when you're at Disney World. You know, you're trying to find them in designs on the wall. I can't believe this guy is white. I can't believe it. What would you do if your barber charged you $100 in your house for that, Luke? Well, the good news is you can just shave it off, but I wouldn't pay him.

I could tell you that. You ever go on a cruise and they turn the towels into farm animals and stuff? I've never been on a cruise because I'm not dub T. Come on. I've been on a lot of cruises. I'm teasing. I'm teasing. All right.

Well, this is my type of cruise, Luke. What do you think about this? They always say those sheets are so dirty. Don't trust them. Right? Look at that. Yeah. Filthy.

That is awesome. All right. Yeah. Mikey sent me this. Remember Mikey used to work on the show. We love that guy. Mikey. He,

he sent this to me. You don't break it with his dong. Yeah, that's something there. All right. There's a scene with now that you can see the little man behind the curtain right there Right pushing the rod. That's yeah. All right Well, look I got one more for you here. I don't know how to describe this. So let's just watch Five four three two one Five, four, three, two, one. Oh! Yes!

Yes! Oh, happy new year, the countdown. There it is. That's your shit of the week. Yeah. That was pretty good. That was actually, I think this match may have been better than last week. I don't believe that.

Two pieces of breaking news very quickly. I hope it's good. Teofimo Lopez will defend his WBO and Ring Magazine Junior welterweight titles against Steve Claggett on Saturday, June 29th. We knew about that. Not a great fight, but that's what it is. In Miami, I believe. And then UFC has signed a new deal to return to Saudi Arabia,

quote, for almost double the rights fee, end quote, for a second event after June 22nd per TKO president. Hold on, hold on. Per TKO president Mark Shapiro, the first deal was $20 million, so almost $40 million to return to Saudi Arabia. Still a deal considering the WWE gets $55 million per show out there. So it is true that the UFC, they came up short in their initial offering of a fight night card.

They went back to the well for the ABC card. They reported it and they were all like, oh, that's bullshit. No, it turns out it's probably not. But do you think it was strategic from the UFC to start low and make them pay for it? Yeah, probably. Get more out of it. Yeah, well, there we go. I hope you got more out of this show. Two hours plus in the hole. We gotta go. We do have to go.

That's Luke Thomas. My name is Brian Campbell. You can like and subscribe what you've seen here. Hopefully you do. Hey, check out my Usyk breakdown. YouTube.com slash Luke Thomas. I've never heard of of that channel but i'm sure it's sure is it free or is it like really expensive that one is free on thursdays i'm not really sure what's going on hey don't fuck with my livelihood all right tuki's gotta wear shoes yeah i know long island luke ken in the background there our sound guy how about nadir i love these guys right luke let's go shout out to john skipper yeah all right we're out of here that's all i got for you yeah