MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL - Who's Next For Canelo Alvarez? | Cedric Doumbe's Stunning PFL Debut | One | Morning Komat Ep 496

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

On episode 496 of Morning Kombat Luke and Brian react to the weekend of fights. Canelo Alvarez defeated Jermell Charlo relatively easily, Did he silence all the doubts about his ability at this age? Who should be next for Canelo, is it Terence Crawford or David Benavidez? The guys also breakdown PFL's France card. What was their reaction to Cedric Doumbe's quick knockout? As always we close Monday's with dm's from Donks and HYSTS. Morning Kombat is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts.     For more Combat Sports coverage subscribe here: youtube.com/MorningKombat   Follow our hosts on Twitter: @BCampbellCBS, @lthomasnews, @MorningKombat    For Morning Kombat gear visit:morning kombat.store   Follow our hosts on Instagram: @BrianCampbell, @lukethomasnews, @MorningKombat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, it's Monday, Monday, Monday. I don't know who sang that song, but I'm singing it now. And BC has been electrocuted through his balls. There we go, everyone. Hi there. It is the 2nd of October. Can you believe that this long and yet treacherous year is somehow coming to a close? We're back from Las Vegas, older, full of bedbugs.

BC literally had bedbugs. I want to point that out. Just to be fair, I'm still debating whether that's bedbugs or poison iv had bedbugs i want to point that out you know just to be fair i'm still debating whether that's bedbugs or poison ivy from uh some landscaping i did the day before i left luke you know i am susceptible to those things just like you are to communicable disease and unnecessary outrage what what do i have unnecessary outrage about today oh Oh, just life in general, Luke. I was just adding to your resume right there. I see, I see.

Yeah, that's probably fair as a general statement. But nonetheless, here we are. It's a Monday. It's the 2nd of October. We're already in the month of Halloween. And we've got a show to get to. So we're back from the flights from Las Vegas. We were going to talk about some Canelo today.

We haven't even gotten to anything related to some of the big uh weekends mma content so we're going to get to the actually a pretty big event that the pfl had in paris we'll talk about that stamp fair tech's becoming now what they're calling is the third championship in a third sport which is true but they're kind of fudging that but nevertheless you got a great win we'll talk about that as well is this like when because you know when we were growing up the the thing the most all-american boy thing you could do was go like all league or all conference in three different sports and that usually means like football basketball and baseball to show that you are a true all around but then suddenly all these kids started being like yo i went all state and cross country indoor track and outdoor track what does that make me

and usually my response to that is that means you're running from your problems most likely but um there's got to be a like a break in the action there between you know what i'm saying luke i mean you're saying she's a compiler at this point of similar i'm not saying i'm not saying i'm not saying that the championships aren't legit and that this is not like worthy of praise don't get me wrong like she looked dude she stopped we'll talk about later she stopped home with body shots it was great yeah i'm just saying calling kickboxing muay thai and mma like they are three distinct sports but it's not the same as like bo jackson with the with the shoulder pads and then the bat behind his head which is one of the all-time if i do say so, BC, it's the greatest photo ever taken of an athlete

at any point in human history. That's a two-sport athlete. I'm sorry, but Stan Fairtex is not a better athlete than being a three-sport athlete over two-sport athlete Bo Jackson. Yeah, Coach Prime played in the World Series and the Super Bowl in the same season, played in the MLB playoffs and the NFL on the same day?

I mean, yeah, that's a different level of two-sport athletics right there. Correct, Luke? Let's be fair. We've got to be fair. We've got to be fair in both directions. What Stamped did is very cool. I'm just, you know, she's not going to have the shoulder pads with the bat anytime soon.

That's all I'm pointing out. All right? A little bit different. I had a fly yesterday from Vegas to D.C. to Reagan National to your area, Luke. How did you get a direct flight and I had to go through Chicago? Well, I did get direct flights at a stop in your backyard. I should have been on that flight. You should have been. And I will tell you, it was first class, Luke.

So thank you. Thank you to my fantastic label that pays me uh showtime who i love like open mouth kiss level love um i had the bed luke i've only had the bed once before i had the bed okay all right you know how did you get on that flight and i had to take a flight to i had to take a layover in chicago you you probably had it coming to you though like in terms of the uh yeah in terms of the the cosmic energy out there but i will say luke why do i deserve bad things all i did was work on the flight home motherfucker all i did was work my ass off for you people i will say luke the bed is not it's not just like how much better than

regular first class is it it's like you went to a spa. I mean, you know, I mean, I'm sure people like Robert Kraft would probably like a little bit more on the end of that offer, but I'll tell you, Luke, the offer itself was tremendous laying down like that. I mean,

wow. Wow. So what time was your flight? 8 20 AM. Okay. So help me understand how you got that flight. And yet I had to get a much earlier flight and lay over in Chicago. I don't understand that.

I think they like me more. I think that's what it is at the end of the day. I don't think anyone likes you all that much, if I can just be honest. Hey, you know who I picked over the weekend to win, Luke? Jermell Charlo. Jermell Charlo. Not only did you pick him to win, you went to the mat. Like, you went down.

You're like, no, no, motherfucker. You don't even know what's about to happen. Josh Clotty 2.0, that's what's about about to happen i knew what he had under that hood luke he just you know he didn't turn it on he didn't bring it what do you want me to do all i can do you know for every woodley till and ganu will wrestle monumental career altering or should i say defining moment there's a charlo by by upset decision out there in between. Look, that's how the world works, right? Everything you take in eventually has to come out. You know this very well.

I've got the voicemails to prove it. That's true. That is true. There's definitely a life cycle to everything. I think we can all agree with that. Hey, let's remind everyone, we got some merch at morningcombat.store. I've got the Superwash Dad shirt on here,

but you can get all kinds of stuff at morning combat dot store including bc's mug and everything else in between go get some of that stuff you already saw what's up did you hear about the announcement or did were you or were you uh tearing up porcelain during that part of the pre-show me probably the latter what did i miss uh i have heard from through uh a third party party source that uh raymond jay dunzel maker fantastic merch maven, you know, RJ Gangbang with the ball gag. between morning combat merchant average joe art including the launch of two new items ahead of halloween next week at morning combat dot store luke i've heard that these average joe art first editions have sold like h cakes just flying off the shelves you know what i'm talking about luke okay i have you know indeed they have this is so let's see what let's see what you know

who does number two work for let's see what the second line does luke okay i think it's going to be a bestseller tell you the truth hey they got the 90s counter out all right they're on point today all right so we got a lot to get to showtime.com is the label that pays showtime.com 30-day free trial if you're lucky you can keep it if not feel free to bounce uh let's see morning combat at gmail.com will be the email to reach the show be seen say hi to mikey we're not there we're not at that we're not reading those so don't don't send them if you want to reach us don't do that so if you're going to put your stick pick in there i'm not going to check it out all right not looking if you want to send

your dick pics to brian you have to do that via dm that's i mean guys let's be honest here not interested okay to be very clear with you. You're marginally interested. A little interested. You know, just from an observer walking by whistling past the graveyard type. I mean, I will hang around if there's an accident on my street corner. I might hang around and look at it for

a bit, though, Luke. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, there was an accident yesterday. So I had to take the two plane rides. Did not get to bed, although the flights were fine. They were on time. I can't complain. And then we get to DC and get my bags. First of all, they couldn't find one of my bags that had all of my equipment in it. So I was like, mother fuck. So I went to the United office and they're like, oh yeah, we have it here. They just thought it looked fragile. I'm like, there's no fragile stickers on it. You fucking idiot. But okay. Nevertheless, I get my, I didn't, I didn't call her an idiot, but I felt like saying it saying it in my head anyway i get my bag and then we get on the road we have to take the gw

parkway back to my house and there's not one not two ready for this three accidents on that motherfucker in a mile span don't know what happened couldn't tell you took an extra 30 minutes to navigate that then once i got to the city it was fine i got home you do live in a beautiful city but a city overridden with uh you know angry sourpuss faces among its service worker staff yeah you know i noticed something i noticed something it turns out that the vegas service class finds you no funnier than the one in dc i've never i've never shouted out vegas for its quality of food or service. Believe me, okay? I noticed your stick wasn't working all that well on them either. It was kind of an interesting little theme that came up.

Hey, before we get started with today's show, let's make sure we thank some folks. How about all the donks from Malka who helped out over the weekend? The show on Saturday night went off without a hitch, but it was a lot more than that. Everything else was pretty great, except when stuff was falling on me on Friday, but that's a different story.

Nothing bad happened there anyway, but in all seriousness, I know everyone out there was busting their ass in very difficult conditions. So thanks to them. Thanks of course, the folks from Showtime, Courtney and Matt and everybody else who did a great job. Mikey, who was there on CBS side to take care of us.

Everyone did a great job taking care of us. And my boss, Sam B was Sam B, Sam B, Sam b was there as well got us some lunch so yeah just want to thank everyone and of course all the listeners all the viewers anyone who came up to us and said hi anybody we saw in vegas can't say how much we appreciate it it was in general a pretty successful week and um just glad we got the opportunity to do it so thank you to everyone who made that possible. There you go. BC, anyone you want to thank besides me for saving your life?

It was nice catching up with Filthy Phil of the Malka crew, Luke. Definitely. Tristan, look at extra Jack there with all those rabid farm animals tattooed on his arm there, Luke. You know, if shit ever goes down, I want that guy on our side, okay? You know what they call him now, don't you? No. Oh, Box Cutter Tristan. He'll just run up on you. I don't know. I don't know. side okay you know what they call him now don't you no oh box cutter tristan he'll just he'll just run upon you i don't know i don't know i don't know if they do

that luke i'm not be really really fair with you i don't think they do all right there's my cough by the way i got home and my daughter is still coughing like it's a thunderclap yeah just when she comes out and then and then my wife tells me she took her to a party on saturday and all the kids from her class all had the exact same cough they just dude you send your kid off to preschool which is one of the one minds in they come back with a new communicable disease every other day every other didn't your kids do this didn't they go to school and come back all fucked up when they were in pre-k not not at this level luke i i think the mk community is wondering in general if you personally and maybe by extension your family do you have an immune system dude i've had i i through the age of 30 i never got sick once then i started to get allergies around 32 and now that my kid is in

school and then you can just pretend that you didn't get sick all the time you got sick all the time you send your kid to school they're just going to come back with something. I don't know what to say. I don't know. I can't stop it. I can't stop it. Luke, there's more people everywhere in the city, which means there's more, you know, feelings of Newark Penn Station everywhere you go.

You know, I just, I don't live there, Luke. Okay. I live in Greater Hartford. It's not the same thing. Okay. Greater Hartford. Yeah. That's all we got.

That's all we got. See, the thing about Connecticut is, you know, we could talk all this shit, okay? Greater Hartford. Yeah, that's all we got. That's all we got. That's all we got. See, the thing about Connecticut is, you know, we could talk all this shit, right, Joe Rogan? Then people come here, Luke, not just for, like, the Bellator weigh-in, right, or that time you spend at Bacchus Hospital there, considering if you were going to go out like that. It's a beautiful place. I mean, just a beautiful beautiful place luke with beautiful people

for the most part you ever taken a dump on the floor uh i have not i have though um when i was in the midst of like a 12 mile training run for a marathon i never ended up running i was in the woods and uh and the only and i was here's the problem luke i was on a running trail which went through multiple people's backyards. So I basically had to pick, you know, because it hit. And once it hits, what are you going to do? What are you going to do, Luke? It's you know what I'm saying?

It's coming. They're caught. The redcoats are coming. Right. And I had to pick which backyard because there were multiple like fall parties going on. Which backyard did I feel I could hide in their own woods the best while pooping without them realizing it you know 100 you know 50 yards away you know cooking up on the grill and i'm like over there on a log with some wet leaves you know luke there are low moments in your life and uh that

that certainly felt like one yeah i was just gonna say have you ever taken a dump on the floor and looked at it you've you've seen connecticut you've seen it that's okay okay i mean this is a man who who has lived in many gross places luke thomas okay many many all right with that in mind let's get this process started of course we're going to get dms ready for you guys have you seen this shit very curious to see what bc has cooked up for this one should be kind of fun but all right let's get this process started topic number one let's spin the canelo news a little bit forward if we can. Now, as you guys know, Canelo wins over the weekend. He defeats Jermel Charlo, what can only be described as easily.

There was not much difficulty to that one in the end, although partly it's a function of what Jermel Charlo did or didn't do. And so for that reason, BC, here's something we never really touched on all that much on Saturday night. Now that the dust has kind of settled a little bit, I'd like to talk about it. We will pinpoint who might be next in a minute. But first, BC, the question goes to you. Did Canelo Alvarez silence all of the doubts about his abilities or what's left of them with his win over charlo

yeah yes he did yes he did look this and i said he had enough merit in the you know in the in his in his bank account of in the court of public opinion where we should have believed him coming in where he admitted yeah wasn't at my best of late injured all that stuff watch me now i love the quote he delivered afterwards. What was it? You know, on the mic to Jim Gray, nobody can beat this version of Canelo. I do believe at 33, fully healthy again.

And I think another part we can't miss of what he added in. He put some struggle in his own training camp, meaning for the first time in a while, he got outside of regular home life. He went to Lake Tahoe. He was away from his wife and kids for, I think it was up to three full months. And he just did the old school Spartan lifestyle of getting ready for a fight, keeping that one track mind. So does that suggest that he didn't have the same level of focus against the last couple opponents?

I don't know. There was, you know, he's always on a busy schedule. I believe the effects of the injury. But now we know he really did sequester himself and take the time. And even with Jermel Charlo's very disappointing performance, which at least, you know, helps what we saw out of Canelo. This is absolutely brilliant second-generation prime Canelo, meaning we all know he's closer to the end than the beginning.

But at 33, we said this late Saturday, I think this performance suggests that it's not out of the question to add him back into the debate of who's pound for pound best in the world. No, he didn't do enough to beat Crawford or Inouye. And yes, there are other competitors around that area. But yeah, he was back and I think he was back with a bang. And most importantly importantly what I focus on to say that Luke the stamina was there right he was the he was the fighter who had more in the tank and was certainly more willing to engage with the size advantage but you know I don't think it

was one just on size even though overall brutality was a big part of it with his targeting Charlo's you know shoulder and arm and all that it was was just, you know, he was sharper. He was better. And when he says that, Luke, I think he may be right. Outside of moving up to 175, I really want to see who can beat this version of Canelo because there really aren't that many in the world, Luke, who have a legitimate chance between, what do you want to say, like 154 and 168? I mean, even B- had to had to win more

rounds than he probably need should have to be able to get the decision against canelo but we don't see people competitive with canelo let alone challenging them and not only does this kick my prediction hard in the face dude he's back luke he's back big red's here he's not going anywhere so let me play devil's advocate in a bunch of ways because I want to, or two ways actually, I'm sorry, because I want to be clear. I do think that this performance was very restorative. I do think a lot, I echo a lot of the points that you're making about, you know, listen,

just the purpose he had from the word go, taking his time in the first round, but you could just tell he had an energy to get right across the ring, corner Jermell Charlo, and go to work as soon as he possibly could, and really never let his foot off the gas. But let me bring up two points, if I may, some things I've seen around the internet, and get your response to them. Most people are agreeing this is Canelo's best performance in some time, certainly pre-Bivol,

right? Yeah, since Bivol, this is the best performance he's had, although obviously he's had some wins. The Bivol fight was a loss. But two things they bring up. One, he got the knockdown in the seventh, but couldn't put Charlo away. Doesn't that say something? That's one. And then two,

does a win like this make you think that he could beat Bivol? And I think the most answers would be no. So if the answer is no, how restorative was the victory in all actuality? A lot of questions you just threw at me right there. So here's the deal.

Can we get on him for not finishing Charlo in the same way we kind of got on him for not finishing John Ryder, you know, when Canelo had that huge lead and seemed to be you know extra levels above him no i don't think so because i think charlo's a a bigger threat than rider was just in terms of the danger of like you know clean combinations and after getting dropped i will give charlo credit that was the first and really the only time in the fight we saw some kind of urgency out of him and i think he did put together a couple clean either you know counter shots or combinations where you know if it was somebody less than canelo's chin it could have played a

part in helping him mount a comeback and i just don't think you know look charlo's had only been down once before as a pro and this is a guy that we typically look at as durable and tough and all that. I don't hold that against Canelo in this case. I think the Ryder case was like, this is a showcase mandatory. You're at home in front of your home crowd. If you're still that guy, get that guy the hell out of here. But what was the second question you had, Luke? Because I want to play into that.

So there's a question of like, okay, Canelo's back. And Canelo even said himself. Oh, B-Ball. Yeah. Yeah, I got you. To what extent does this reframe the B-Ball rematch debate? Look, Canelo has been more optimistic about his chances of beating B-Ball than we have been.

Because what did we see? We saw B-Ball, who's the rare sort of combination of having size, speed, and legit, I mean, just top-end technical skills. And then when he's fighting, in this case, a smaller fighter moving up in Canelo, I mean, his power was absolutely real where Canelo had to, you know, respect that. But still, under the banner of it's hard to score a decision against Canelo, I mean, B-Ball won 7-5 on all three cards when we kind of all scored it like 9-3 or 10-2 for him. Did that play under the same heading of the three fights?

Yeah, where Canelo had the hand injury, wasn't really able to be his full self. I wonder if that was part of Canelo's one-sided, like, no, I must make this B-Vol rematch happen before he ended up getting into this fight and signing with the PBC. I think deep inside Canelo realizes that he was compromised in that first fight to some level due to the left hand. He tried to gut it through. He realized that this was a harder matchup than I'm sure he even thought it was coming in. And, you know, he really, he couldn't break through against B-Vol. I wouldn't hold it against him after seeing this restorative version of him, Luke, that he couldn't, if he fought great. Look how close he was in a fight where I don't think he fought great.

What if he improves in the second one? Could that be a situation where it could be a majority or split decision? Yeah, I mean, I'd favor B-Ball, of course. But yes, this did increase my confidence level that a Canelo with this level stamina could potentially change the fortune. Maybe not the outcome, but the fortune of a second B-ball fight. And because Canelo is such that competitor who was already trying to get that fight above any other option. Yeah, you're not going to favor him, Luke, but you got to give him the respect after this performance. When he's back at full speed and he has that gas tank and the fact that he can hurt anybody,

even if your defense is tight, he can still hurt you to the arms, to the body. You got to put some respect back on him that he's going to be very competitive in a B-ball rematch, Luke. I want to answer up to that because I don't think you believe it. He's back, dude. This guy's back. Big Red's back. I definitely want to be clear.

I do think that this was a really good performance for Canelo. I do think that getting back to the things you had attributed it to, things that he had done that you had mentioned, going up to isolation and training in that way and that Spartan lifestyle, whatever it was, the combination of underwhelming performances or the new training or whatever, he definitely looked a lot better on Saturday than he had in some time and I'm going to say it again he had a real purpose

driven he had a real purpose um he had a real intentionality with his offense everything was very much designed to get right in Charlo's face and just declare to him who's better from the word go that really is what the the attitude that i got as it relates to the bivouac fight you know i didn't know what to make of it when they first fought and then after seeing the results i'm like right i don't think canelo would do all that well i think he could probably do better in a rematch especially if it was at 168 but i would still kind of favor bivouac to win i just don't think i just i just feel like 175 is a waste of Canelo's time at this point, especially given his age, 33, and then the accumulated miles therein.

What I want to sort of address, though, here, BC, is what I saw some folks saying after the fight was that, yeah, Canelo looked great, but then Charlo turned in a bit of a Joshua Clotty versus Manny Pacquiao kind of performance. And even that one I don't think is particularly fair because Claudio was just absorbing shots and not even trying to throw back at all. You did see some attempt by Charlo as the fight went on to land something. He just couldn't do it.

I actually feel like you would have gotten a little bit more from Charlo if Canelo had a bit of a different game plan. To me, Charlo didn't have the right mental and competitive posture. But also, one of the big signs of Canelo's success was that he made Charlo look relatively pedestrian, and he's not. He's the undisputed 154-pound champion. He has all the belts. BC and I were there when he took it off Jason Rosario.

I did tape study on his fights against Harrison and Castaño. pound champion he has all the belts bc and i were there when he took it off jason rosario we have we were i did tape study on his fights against harrison and castagno there's nothing accidental about his success dude he's way better than the guy that was there saturday like let's be honest way better way better the whole there's levels to this the whole point that canelo was making during fight week he's actually right in the end but that's not the best of germel so that's why i like you know i can walk around with egg on my face and I do get a lot of DMs of like you know we were letting you hang yourself out there but we had no you know what the hell are you doing picking Charlo some of it was the idea that I thought Charlo could deliver the best performance of

his career offset against a version of Canelo who I thought was not going to be this sharp so it ended up working out that way I still think the best version of Jermell puts forth a much different fight than Saturday. Some of the reason why we didn't see the best of him is obviously what Canelo did. But look, I mean, I hate to say this, Jermell also just looked, I don't back the people who are criticizing him saying,

oh, he was obviously only there for a paycheck. I think he came in fired up. I just think the moment got to him and he just didn only there for a paycheck i think he came in fired up i just think the moment got to him and he just didn't carry out a game plan that was going to in my opinion embrace his strengths and give him his best chance to compete in this fight do you know what was weird about charlo's game plan because i went back and i watched the fight on the on the plane ride home and i was like okay here's what i picked up on what Charlo did. See if you agree with this. On the offensive end, people were talking about it like it's one thing or the other.

But here's what I noticed. On the offensive end on Charlo's game, you could tell that they had some things that they wanted to try. He tried them. Most of them didn't work. But I could sort of see where they were getting at with it. And I wonder what you're going to say. Oh, he didn't pump the jab enough, 100%.% I mean in terms of what he did throw what did it signal right they had an idea the thing that got me BC in the end was that Canelo had a clear game

plan for his offense to be built off of the defensive weaknesses of Charlo. Yes. And Charlo never had an answer for that. That was the part that I couldn't get. It was like, dude, Canelo knew this guy was going to back up right away. Knew it. Made him do it right away. And there was some lateral movement, obviously, from Charlo. Don't get me wrong, but clearly not enough. And then getting back to the jab and everything else.

He never had, like, how did they not know enough about the defensive tendencies weaknesses of charlo to work on that first rather than trying to build the kind of offense that might crack through canelo's defenses i couldn't believe that part that part was the one that got me yeah there there seemed to be a a miscommunication a mis-execution of whatever their game plan was. And I want to obviously give respect to the brilliant minds of Derek James and Joanne Guzman, but whatever that was potentially just didn't come out. And so I think to me it was going to be one or the other,

meaning I had talked to you, I thought that the key to winning was to work behind that jab and again try to steal as many rounds in the first half through making Canelo chase as you could to set up for a second half that was inevitably going to become a real fight because Canelo would make those adjustments but look when he's not throwing a jab really at all for three full rounds and content to circle away and then try to counter big every once in a while to me if you're punt like that, then it has to be in the service of saying, let me make Canelo use a lot of energy, you know, chasing me down.

But then in the second half, we're just going balls out. And, you know, we didn't see the balls out in the second half. We saw a little bit more urgency. We saw him connect a little bit here and there, but it's hard because you got to ask yourself, well, what are we asking of him?

Wasn't it enough to dare to be great to take this fight? That meant a lot. I mean, I, you know, I give him the full respect and I'm not saying then once you're in here, you owe it to all of us to, you know, walk in with your hands down and go for broke if it's not going your way. But to see that, that, okay, if they weren't going to try to start strong and try to build off that jab, then maybe they're saving up for something and then that moment never comes. Then you've got to ask yourself, what was the game plan? There are levels to this. Nobody looks great on the regular against Canelo.

But there was a disconnect. I mean, the corner had to almost try to resuscitate Jermell in the championship rounds and try to get that urgency back. And I don't know, Luke. resuscitate Dremel in the championship rounds and try to like get that urgency back and uh I don't know Luke do you think Dremel was just bamboozled that it that it just kind of muted his offense and that you know he was throwing when he needed to to survive but I just didn't see a calculated plan of attack and going after Canelo you know the thing is it's like Harrison was a little more at times willing to exchange with Charlo,

and so therefore more hittable. Brian Castaño, infinitely more hittable than Canelo or Harrison, I think is probably a fair way to put it. And so there's just opportunities for Charlo's game to shine in those scenarios. Canelo took all that oxygen away. He took all of it away. He had much better defense. He had much better defense. He had much better positioning. He had Charlo in

positions where Charlo couldn't react the way that he wanted, right? So that's the other part too. It's like the situation might look similar to the other situations where Charlo's big left hook played a role, but Canelo's very deft positioning took a lot of that away. So he could just never really get going out of first or second gear. And that's all really due to Canelo, or at least a big, I should say, a big part of that is really due to Canelo. So when we talk about getting back to the initial question, is he back? There are very clear things you can point to in this fight and be like, this was just much better.

The intentionality, the physicality, how he looked this week, and everything else. Let me make one more note about Charlo on the weight. I had said after the fight, BC, that, you know, he still looked like Jermel Charlo, but it just didn't seem to add much in the end. 168, just way too much, I think, for Charlo. 160, I think, still might be doable,

though he says he's going to go back to 154. 154, he's physically strong. He's physically in that place. 168, it just looked like he could have the extra weight it didn't do much to boost his fortunes no it didn't you know i i would have i mean there's a couple ways you could have looked at it in some ways you know making sure you're you've got the strength you know to to make sure you come in close to 168 from the idea of am i going to fight on the inside? Will there be wrestling?

Will I want to push him off? Will I want to keep Canelo off of me? That could have been part of the thought process, but although he looked healthy at what, you know, coming in at 167.4, I wondered what that meant to the idea of what we, what I thought his best shot would have been, which is coming in lighter and trying to use as much of an advantage as that speed gap would be into

his favor. In the end, Luke, although he did look to be the faster fighter in terms of hand speed, it didn't look like the weight he came in and the body he came in made him any faster. He actually looked a half step slower than we are used to. And obviously, you know, that can be exasperated by the fact that Canelo has got such great timing. And, you know, there's a reason why people's offensive numbers go down against Canelo because he's so sharp and so menacing. But, Luke, it's like, damn, Canelo is great.

And we've always talked about that. He's one of the rare guys that can juggle like extreme high level commercial success, being the face of the sport, being in pay-per-view on top for 10 years and the critical side but usually when we talk about you know Canelo already being an all-time great at age 33 I'm typically thinking of it from the standpoint of accomplishments which is large and impressive four division champion and I think he's joins um Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns as the only fighters who have won world titles at 154 and 175, which is just a mind-boggling, ridiculous club to suddenly join. But Luke, normally I say Canelo's an all-time great.

Look at his accomplishments. Now I'm saying more, Canelo's an all-time great. Look at the command of his skill set. Look at how insanely well-rounded he is. Look at how, and this matchup was a good example, if you are not on his level in your combination of IQ and technique, then you better bring something extreme to the game, whether it be extreme quickness or extreme power to try to threaten him, or you don't have a chance. Like Canelo's becoming an all-time great, Luke, separate from the commercial

success and all that just look at the fighter look at who he is at 33 now this guy's incredible I mean this guy is a goat we know that but sometimes you have to stop and just look at it a little closer and be like this is one of the greatest fighters in the history of this sport and he still got it he absolutely still has it yeah to the point that you raised Stephen Bradman Edwards had written the following, then we'll move on to question number two. Quote, not everyone wants to acknowledge it, but Canelo was an all-time great fighter.

Only three men in history, to the point you raised, BC, have won titles at junior middleweight, middleweight, super middleweight, and light heavyweight. Leonard, Hearns, and Canelo. That's it. That's the fucking list right there. Pretty, pretty special guy getting back to rare form i thought on saturday questions remain but a great performance just the same when you're doing

when you're doing mythical matchups in your head canelo's so freaking skilled that if you're going to put him in a mythical matchup against any of the greats in and around his weight prime you got to give him a healthy chance of winning. He's so damn skilled that, like I said, unless you've got incredible power or you are the slickest boxer available, it's going to be really hard to beat this guy, and only two have, and those two are pretty great in Mayweather and B-Volt. All right, so with that in mind, let's go to topic number two, and we'll end the Canelo discussion here by trying to spin it forward. BC, I need you to pick one fighter

and I want you to make the case for that one fighter. Make the case either for Terrence Crawford or David Benavidez as Canelo's next opponent. Not two fights down the road, not three fights down the road, not three fights down the road, not at some point in 2024. Terrence Crawford, David Benavidez, Canelo's next opponent.

Which one is it? Give me the case. It's got to be Benavidez. As much as I frigging love the Bud Crawford versus Canelo and everything that it could mean on so many levels. It is a where were you type of fight and event in the making.

It can't be next if Errol Spence is holding firm to this. It's in the contract. He has a chance to activate the rematch. It seems he's doing it. So because of that, when you look at the fact that Canelo has two fights left on his PBC deal here, there's so many big options. But I think Jermel Charlo took away Jermall Charlo's potential

chance. And I don't think Jermall's, you know, really ready for this right now anyway, given that he's off two years. Yeah. Benavidez might be coming back against Demetrius Andrade later this year. A lot of rumors that it's, that it's November that this fight could happen. And I love that fight by the way. That's a, that's a tough out for, for Benavidez to show how skilled he is against somebody like that. But Cinco de Mayo is when canelo wants to come back i do think may is far enough away where you can start building it now you can start using the whole marketing of the benavidez andrade fight if that's the direction they're going to the idea that can this man secure the bag and get that canelo showdown and if you Canelo, I don't think you want to wait much longer as you're

getting older and this guy is only getting better in Benavidez. You might have to do it now. If you're going to do it ever, you might have to do it now. Luke Canelo after this performance, which he was spectacular in totality, him against Benavidez next May would be a

monster fight. I don't know if you can talk me into why the answer should be anything but this. If Bud can't be next. The only argument I can think of to make Bud next, because I'm trying to like noodle through all the different reasons why you could or couldn't or should or shouldn't do it. The only thing that you could potentially say you couldn't do it. And even this is not really true.

If the business would still be big. But if Canelo does fight David Benavidez on Cinco de Mayo, and recall, that's what he was saying when Jim Gray asked him, when do you want to fight next? He said Cinco de Mayo. And then, of course, they asked him who. And he's like, I don't fucking care. I was like, God damn, I love Cinnamon so much right now.

He's the best. But in all seriousness, if it is going to be Cinco de Mayo, BC was already saying, you know, you've got this potential November-ish fight brewing between Demetrius Andrade and David Benavidez. Assuming he wins that, it lines them up on a great date. The argument against it, BC, was what happens if David Benavidez wins?

Number one, you're going to get a rematch with Canelo. That's going to happen, which means that will probably be in September, competing with noche ufc by the way when we get down to that point it's lots of different kind of dude if we're at okay but if we're at canelo benavidez two i think that's going to win out i think that's going to win out it'll win but i guess the point i'm trying to make here is um a benavidez win which which by the way, is very real and very possible. Like that's a tough fight for Canelo. Make no mistake about it.

Whatever you thought about Jermel Charlo's chances, David Benavidez is a real 168. My only argument BC is David Benavidez winning makes the reality of just the timing of a Terrence Crawford fight all but impossible you're right that reason you get a little bit that would close the door on it but Canelo is not going to wait around you know so um I want to ask you how much did seeing that this version of Canelo is back in is possible again right that he's not sliding hard in the

other direction how much does that increase your excitement level for the Benavidez fight to potentially be next? The truth is I do want to see Canelo Alvarez versus Terrence Crawford. Like I do want to see that. I don't really know what it would look like. There's a part of me that feels like Crawford as amazing as he is would just move up and then be too small. And then you'd be like, well, that was fun, but not really worth it. I don't have any of those concerns against David Benavidez. Folks, I was a bit of a late believer in David Benavidez. The first gig I ever worked for Showtime, in terms of covering any of their boxing events,

BC and I interviewed David Benavidez when he was inside the quarantine bubble at Mohegan Sun, and he had just missed weight and lost titles on the scale that was the first time i ever had interviewed david benavidez and i was like he's obviously skilled but he's just got to figure some shit out right well we're on the other side of that i was skeptical heading into the caleb plant fight and he looked amazing in that sick shape he got in really good shape it was a grudge match. He met the moment. We saw all the Mexican fans there. If there is anybody, anybody, anybody, anybody who can beat Canelo at 168, make no mistake about it, his name is David Benavidez.

That's the guy who is a real deal threat to Canelo. So for that reason, I really want to see it. I really want to see Canelo embrace. Because, you know, listen, embracing the Bivol fight. Dude, the Bivol fight, you would agree, BC. It's a very tough challenge, but it's almost too tough. We're not getting the Bivol fight. Canelo's locked into PBC.

I'm just saying, you can't say he wasn't chasing a tough fight. He was, but it was almost too tough. It was almost too big and almost not pointless, but just kind just a little too sisyphean in the end but then he takes on triple g and that was a little bit too lackluster then john rider way too easy charlo not enough of a defense but canelo's gotten right in that in that time now is the moment to strike now is the moment to make that fight put him up against another rising superstar soon to be superstar i think who's got obviously the mexican heritage as well has a come forward style is going to be hard to hurt is going to move downhill on canelo at times like whatever canelo

rejuvenated on saturday every ounce of that is going to be tested against david benavidez the timing fight to make on so here's why it is because the timing be tested against David Benavidez. That is the fight to make. Here's why it is, because the timing, you don't want Benavidez to get any better, and if you're Canelo, you just look like a million bucks on Saturday. Let's keep that going. Let's not F around. You know what I mean?

Now is the time to do that. Luke, I mean, who Benavidez is, is like the extreme version of what Chavez Jr. ever could have hoped or his fans ever could have hoped. Because remember, there was like a window where Chavez Jr. was semi-legitimate. He won a middleweight title. He was, you know, a weight bully. He just leaned on people and stuff. But this is a skilled version of that monster.

This fight is, what did that, Luke, when I used to get invited to stags right you know like bachelor parties you know what i would bring right for the raffle you know bag of porn this is what this is that fight luke this is the bag of porn of pay-per-view boxing i hope it happens cinco de mayo next year because this is it this is this is it i mean this puts canelo in that like aging but like still kind of like david position against this new young goliath that is literally coming for his spot as sort of the face of mexican boxing even though um you know benavidez is born in the states and raised in arizona but certainly he connects with both cultures though luke i think benavidez's mother is what he does

again again i was kind of curious to see how the Mexican fan base was going to embrace him when he fought Plant. The answer was fully. That was the answer, fully. Yeah, and then Mike Tyson's like, you're the Mexican monster, so get rid of that other nickname and here we go. But let's be clear, dude. I know Canelo stopped him,

and I think the Plant fight went the distance if memory serves. But, dude, David Benavidez beat Calebaleb plant up much worse like yeah i know canelo stopped him in the 11th or whatever but like plant took a beating against david benavidez in the last like third of that fight where benavidez was just marching on him it was crazy canelo the left hand injury that we're talking about left wrist he injured it in the plant fight and that was also a very busy and ambitious year where Canelo was kind of like running on fumes entering into that big fight but uh yeah dude I mean if if there were cracks in the armor Caleb plant would have exposed them right but Benavidez shut all that up now it's not going to be up to him obviously to stay disciplined on that level i mean that was a an extreme cardio in shape version of him he's got to bring that for all the big

fights i hope he does luke because he's got that rare mix i mean dude this is this could be one of those ones that gets stupid pay-per-view numbers right this could be a million pay-per-view buy because you are taking that market the best market in boxing the mexican fan base mexican american fan base and you-American fan base, and you're giving them everything they want. This is the Mexican. I mean, I don't want to speak for Mexicans. I'd have to be a little presumptuous.

But from the outside looking in, it feels like of all the fights you could make between Mexican versus Mexican, this is the highest permutation of it. There's nothing. There's no other two fighters you could put together that would get a fight as big as this given that demographic even when canelo fought chavez jr at a point still where we were like man chavez jr is pretty much a joke

he's only got a name left and you know canelo did it it was a big event it did a million buys luke it did a million buys during a time when the only people that did a million buys were like you know floyd and manny floyd and connor and triple g and canelo like that was the only time in that run anybody did a million buys in boxing chavez jr and canelo did and you know obviously the fight was a largely a waste of our time but this would not be when you know what you're going to get in this fight it's pro wrestling storytelling too it's just it's kind of just it's perfect so you know but look here's what we're arguing like who else could it be if it wasn't Benavidez and if Crawford is lined up with Spence during that stretch well it's not gonna it's not gonna be Morrell right here's what here's it's definitely not be Morrell. But here's an interesting question.

I don't find it likely, but we at least have to entertain the possibility. What if Andrade beats Benavidez? He's skilled. I don't find that likely, but stranger things have happened. Yes. Now you're Canelo. You're still staring at that May 5th date. Let's say Crawford polishes off Spence again.

So Crawford is at least available, right? Your choice is Andrade or Crawford polishes off Spence again. So Crawford is at least available, right? Your choice is Andrade or Crawford. Now, I know Andrade has been chasing the biggest fights and nobody wants to give this guy a shot. But if I'm Canelo and I'm just speaking here logically and my choices are Andrade at 168 or Crawford, I'm taking Crawford. I'm taking Crawford a million times over Andre yeah I do think an Andre fight would be acceptable at that point if he had upset you know if he had beaten

Benavidez for sure I mean especially if he had like exposed him and you know just out slicked him and stuff then yeah damn suddenly we have a fight but um yeah so the Spence thing is kind of in a weird way getting in our way. Because I wanted to ask you on the flip side, Luke, like what do you think should be next for Charlo? Because Tim Zhu is fighting Brian Mendoza coming up on Showtime, and that is going to be for the full WBO title. So is it automatic that if Tim Zhu wins that, he should get Charlo next?

Yes, yes. Is there any way Bud versus Charlo? Is there any way Bud versus charlo is next under any form no right right so so bud takes to twitter on saturday night and tweets two things one he tweets to bud cross he tweets to jermell that he should be ashamed of himself and that he laid down very harsh and then later on tweeted to the world but then tagged charlo in it saying that you know you're basically off the list of people I was even considering fighting. Because, you know, before the idea of him going to 154 and fighting Charlo was very exciting.

I still want to see it, but I get that the appetite has diminished. However, to answer your question, you've got Tim Zhu taking on Brian Mendoza. If you don't know who Brian Mendoza is, he's the guy who knocked, or yeah, he basically knocked out Sebastian Fundora, the really tall guy with a vicious left hook over the top. He can thump a little bit. He's going to fight Tim Zhu. Tim Zhu winning is the best thing that could happen to Jermell Charlo. Because not only does he have one of the belts, and if Charlo were to win again, he'd be fully undisputed again. But Charlo needs somebody that folks want to see him fight, that they would care about seeing him fight and I think Charlo needs a performance like what Canelo had where he can restore some confidence in what he can do at 154

Tim Zou is exactly that kind of guy not beatable I don't mean in that sense but the kind of guy that would get people up to want to see the kind of consequential bout that matters Charlo performs well against him BC and I think he's I think he's cooking again yeah he could be he can be back with a big performance there but it's almost like if only we could all get errol spence to do this imagine if errol spence said okay imagine if they told him look give up the contractual part of this you're still going to get a rematch but how about we go this way instead how about errol spence fights the winner of Tim Zhu versus Brian Mendoza thinking it's more likely probably going to be Tim Zhu right fighting at

home still a very good fight we'll see if Mendoza can keep up the upset streak what about Spence versus Zhu to free Crawford up to potentially fight Canelo or Charlo and you're pretty much guaranteeing Spence you know a big fight if he comes through and wins that wouldn't that fix all these issues no i don't hate it but it it's i don't i don't know what it really does for charlo charlo needs the tim zu fight i think needs is a strong word but could greatly benefit from it i think is perhaps the better way i would look at it um i think he needs it and i think yes spence could use it too, to your point, but Charlo in the immediate sense, I think makes a little bit more logical sense for me. All right. With that in mind, let's turn our

attention to some MMA. BC, we missed a bunch of this as a consequence of having to cover all the boxing stuff, but now we can turn our attention to it. So let's talk about PFL Paris. The PFL had their debut in Paris, France, and by all accounts, it was a huge, huge, huge hit. The crowd seemed to be lively. It seemed to be well attended, and they had a lot of different things going on to flex some of their promotional muscle. In the main event, BC, Cedric Dumbay, one of the greatest kickboxers on the planet,

made his PFL debut. He had fought in MMA before and wins in a total of nine seconds. How big of a moment was this for Cedric Dumbay? And how big of a moment was this for the PFL? Well, for Dumbay, it's massive because moment was this for the PFL well for Dumbay it's massive because he's getting you know in these type of situations where there becomes a lot of hype around a signing here you want to see if this guy can live up to like the superhero hype of of what he's done in other combat sports and to come in and deliver this I mean it just went perfect for him right

who knows if you can deliver that exactly again but it speaks to kind of the momentum he might have behind him. And look, you know, I think Poiton was going to get to the point where he is so quickly. No, I didn't. Turns out Alex Pineda's great underneath, right? Like he's a great fighter. He's a warrior. He's a student, all of that.

I want to believe here that, that Doombay is anywhere as close to as good as he looked here. This type of performance, you know, really makes you have to follow the journey. So I think it's a big win for both. But to really kind of answer your question, this wasn't even available to watch in the States in like any form. I don't see how that's even possible. And I thought that was a major disappointment because it felt like this was the right main event the right card and the right energy to announce to people that may have watched pfl a few times that oh by the way we have this pfl europe thing and it's pretty awesome and

i think dan hardy's on it check it out this would have been the perfect time to give the free drug sample luke right to get people hooked now they got to pay for it bitch okay so here's what i'm going to say how big was it for cedric dumbe massive massive win what it what a first of all i don't know if the boys in the back have it we i should have said something but i didn't did you see his walkout do we have it for have you seen this shit no i i failed to put pfl in that have you seen this shit so he did walk out with a what a mattress he walked out with a mattress. And on the mattress, his opponent's name was Jordan Zeebo. On the mattress, in French, it said, good night, Jordan. He walks out in big-ass letters.

Yo, that's badass. That's pretty badass. So fucking badass. He brought a mattress for his opponent and then knocks him out in single-digit timing. Could not possibly have gone better for Cedric Dumbay. So for Cedric Dumbay, this is big. I don't know exactly what it means for PFL Europe, BC, because I don't even really understand what PFL Europe is right now.

I know it's a budding effort, but it's really hard to say exactly what the brand's awareness or stock is. But for PFL's efforts in France, this was probably a home run as well. My understanding is it aired on a channel called RMC Sport, which is like where UFC airs. So you've got PFL airing with folks that are well-known within France,

like Cedric Dumbay. He airs this. He brings this mattress out. He wins in nine seconds. Total home run. Now, PFL got bailed out a little bit here. A little bit. Because this went immediately viral on social media.

Ooh, there's a big-ass moth in my room. Jesus. I don't have to kill that thing on air. Okay. Or maybe it's a butterfly. I might have to kill it either way. All right. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is it went immediately viral viral this clip of him knocking him out plus like the clip of him

walking around it goes immediately viral on social media on saturday so for that reason larger pfl got bailed out but for them to not have an official u.s broadcast i know what everyone says turn on your vpn just commit piracy guys i know that if you're terminally online you'll find some kind of way to watch anything no matter where it's broadcast i understand that is not the same point as serving up the casual or somebody who could be waiting around for this opportunity an official broadcast that's easy to get and powered through u.s distributors i mean how smart is your cage how smart is your freaking how did the ask jeeves cage not ask anybody else about this heading into it do you think the s jeeves cage can speak any language almost with

like a c-3po type of like instant quality but yet really not you know c-3po was a mess nerves wise right he was like yeah i mean he was a he was a soy boy luke so like does does the smart cage does the dash jeeves cage does it speak more like c-3po or does it beat boop bop like r2d2 i think it's probably more like the r2d2 yeah r2 had like a dirty humor side to him too so i hope it has that level of personality but as of right now like they didn't you know they got hit hard by the drug like how did the cage not see that drug testing issue coming for them i don't know i don't know again i'm gonna wonder you know it's it sounds it sounds more like the smart jeeves uh the ass jeeves cage his mom drank when he was

in utero i'm i'm you know sad to report It just doesn't quite have the brainpower that it needs. But BC, I'm not in any way going to call this a disaster for PFL because it's not. It's a home run in a variety of different respects. But to not have an official U.S. broadcast for something so special. Because remember, Cedric Dumbay was originally reportedly signed by UFC and that fell apart. This was a massive, massive coup for PFL to get a guy like this. And we've seen, to your point about the Paredes and the Isis of the world, what they have done coming through as decorated kickboxers. And Dumbay, certainly a very decorated one, more than Isis, I think a little bit less than Paredes, but nevertheless on par coming through because he he was double champ, but whatever.

He was also a great champ too. Might be even better. Leave it to the kickboxing folks. High level. The point I'm trying to make is we've seen what these guys can come through with the right kind of matchmaking and everything else, the opportunities that are afforded to them and how quickly they're able to make use of it.

He bailed them out big time here. It is unforgivable that they didn't have a U.S. broadcast. And there's one more point I wanted to make about this, BC. We have talked about this potential of PFL acquiring Bellator. I've not checked in on that in a few weeks, but I'm guessing everything is still sailing ahead. Putting Cedric Dumbay in a tournament would be the worst fucking idea other than keeping the brand separate if PFL decides to acquire Bellator. That would be cataclysmically stupid to do that. This is a guy who can probably beat really good fighters and is going to have a great career, but at this juncture needs the appropriate matchmaking.

Like what Alex Pereira got when he first got to the UFC. In order to maximize opportunity. BC, you will know that PFL is fucking this up. If you see Cedric Dumbay enter any kind of tournament in 2024. Right, and if that tournament is filled with at least three guys named Magomed Magomedov. We're just going to wrestle fuck him to death. Here's the deal. It would be great if they promoted him like Strikeforce did Kung Lee,

right, in that early run, like as an attraction, make video game fights, you know. But, Luke, what division is Doombay? I believe he is, I think, 170, 185. Let me double check. Because I don't, you know, if if you're pfl do you try to get Michael Venom page in free agency and is that a sort of fun super fight a little bit down the road against who against Doombay against 170 yes um

there's a couple of interesting yeah that's a couple of interesting ones you could make I would have said if they were going to merge the rosters, MVP versus Cedric Dume would have been interesting. But he's going to be gone now. You know I just said that, right? You said MVP? I said Michael Venom Page, which is the long form. I was trying to look this up.

I was trying to look up the weight. Yes, it is 170, and I missed that part. You're like, I don't really like that fight, but let me tell you one that I really am into. I missed it. I thought you said Michael Chandler for some reason. You're like, I don't really like that fight, but let me tell you one that I really am into. I missed it. I thought you said Michael Chandler for some reason. I was like, I don't look at that. I don't speak like that, no.

But anyway, he's a free agent, so I don't know if he's going to be re-signed. I don't know how that's going to work. But yes, he was 170. He's a 170-pounder. There's a lot of different ways you could go with that. I'm just pointing out, BC, the worst, worst choice is to put a guy like that in a tournament

would be absolute I don't have to use this word in a long time or this term anyway promotional malpractice it would just be I put him in there against Spike Carlisle ASAP okay I think he's in rising I think he's in rising oh he's probably still available he's probably

introducing the new McSpicy from McDonald's. It looks like a regular chicken sandwich, but it's actually a spicy chicken sandwich. McSpicy, consider yourself warned. Limited time only at participating McDonald's in Canada. All right, BC, we're going to come back to this card here in just a minute, but let's stay with MMA if we can.

Topic number four stamp Fairtex stopped Ham Seohi to become the new uh one Adam Waite champion I want to ask you the significance of this win but of course BC we have to comment as well Angela Lee returned we know she had had that post in the players tribune discussing what had happened with her suicide attempt, the suicide of her younger sister. She returned at this event, but in regular clothing, and gave back her belt. She relinquished it and then formally retired from MMA. Now, she's still young enough where some kind of comeback down the road,

if she wants it, is possible. But you can understand that the grief she is grappling with is too overwhelming to do much with the grief she is grappling with is too overwhelming to do much with other than to just deal with it not try to compete around it so one bc give me your sense of what happened with angela lee and then two tell me the significance of stamp fair texas win well the win became much more significant when it played out exactly like you said with lee not only surrendering the title but i have to say from a like television viewpoint of as a as a viewer that was like

dramatic emotional television having lee come out and bear her soul like that and explain you know the reasoning behind the decision and how she's starting the uh the fight foundation she's starting where fighters will be able to openly share their their mental you know i think it's called something yeah i think it's called fight story.org i'll check that we gotta double check that but um and then you know it added to the significance because look stamps a rising star for them and they're really you know they're not even calling her stamp fair text anymore it's just stamp like they're making her into a rod tang and she seems to be of that ilk she had only lost you know at this level to lee and that was a tremendous fight where they both had big moments

and you know we're all sort of wondering is that rematch coming down i really respect the way that lee came to this decision and the role she wants to play moving forward and all of this and how she wants to do all this you know obviously in in the name of her of her late sister as a tribute and to really take it you know it's the best way you can take a tragedy and make good out of it so i thought one captured this beautifully like beautifully the way that this all happened and then suddenly it's like okay our next fight is going to be badass and it's for the full championship. And, dude, Stamp Fairtex delivered. I mean, she's a vicious, vicious kickboxing, Luke. I mean, her body strikes with the back leg are just, you know, horrendous out there.

But she had to fight off some tough positions on the ground, and she earned it. It's time. Now, you know, I heard what you said earlier about champion now in three different sports it may sound better than it actually is but she's young still stamp and uh this seems only the beginning of some really big things because for whatever you get down with the the character side that she brings she's just as nasty in the cage she's just as marketable as just a nasty fighter. This felt like a big moment in that sense. She took another giant step forward toward becoming potentially a big power player, for one, in terms of how they market and present. I think it also was, we were talking about the significance, whether you want to say, oh, she's a three-sport champion.

I mean, that is technically true, but the sports are, when you say something like that, there usually is a big difference between the sports, and here they're all very, very similar, relatively speaking. So I don't want to say kickboxing, Muay Thai, and MMA are not different enough. They are, but winning in all three seems a lot more doable than winning again in something like basketball and track. These are very, very different sports in that sense. But BC, if I may, I'll tell you what the significance was for me in watching this contest. Dude, her game is maturing a lot. She still brings a lot of her Thai kind of kickboxing-focused game to bear,

but the body shots that she hit ham with were vicious her finishing instincts are fantastic her positioning in this fight in general i thought was quite good so there's a maturation that's happening there and more to the point like you know i was looking at palm i remember when she was in the ufc in 2016 and 2017 you know she was kind of an also ran i mean she lost to Danielle Taylor. She lost, I think, to Beck Rawlings, if I'm not mistaken, or something along those lines. Like, she just didn't really get going.

But since leaving UFC, she hadn't lost up to that point, and she had beaten Hamasaki, who's obviously a very good talent, although an aging one as well. This was, I think, her first loss since then. Like, this was a Ham who was not only something of a, you know, a long-standing figure in this division and women's mma more generally um but something of a veteran talent who has proven i think for for a while and at least in the last five or so six or so years and for stamp to go in there and just clearly be better i thought from opening bell basically doing way

more damage pushing hom around dude she's really beginning to develop into something as a genuine threat i think in mma i know she's the champion so obviously that's the case i'm saying somebody who's making the transition from kicking based sports into mma which can be perilous if not done correctly it looks to me like it's being done quite correctly. And the results speak for themselves, a dramatic and big time, important win for her to be very clear. You know, unfortunately she wasn't able to go through the, the defending champion who had already beaten her in a close fight to get it.

But I think she had to your point in shown her improvement so much in the last couple fights that you know this she she still earned critical legitimacy with this win to in the the title didn't change hands in the perfect way but it still now has the right champion at the right moment and look i just want to say one more thing when we talk about this merger of tko wwe and ufc sometimes we're like well is there is there certain things maybe UFC could benefit if they take some of that influence in? How about storytelling? One championship, and it's not just this fight.

It was really every match if you watch this entire main card. They just do high elite pro wrestling level storytelling with the video packages. And really, you always know at the most basic structure who they always know what they're at the most basic structure who they are what they're fighting for and it's done in sort of a non-microwaved manufactured way that like it actually hooks you it actually gets you to care more than maybe you should or would so that's a strength of what Chachere and company are doing over there and you have to stop and commend that once in a while yeah and i gotta say i wonder how you feel about this so like the amazon kind of connection here obviously amazon is a broadcaster for these events in the united states which in general i like quite quite

a lot in fact my commanders play the bears on thursday night on amazon and if you've never watched on amazon they have something called i think prime view or whatever where it's this like totally enhanced way of watching it where you can see which receivers get open you get to see all the route trees in real time it's this incredible amount of added detail based on statistics and this real you know real-time gameplay stuff that only really a company like Amazon seems like it's capable of even doing i did however find it hard to find on the prime video interface agree what do you mean i had a search for it yeah and even in the search even when it brings up all the one championship events you'd think this would be the most recent one instead it was kind of buried yeah yes that's my only real complaint is some of

the interface is a little bit hard to use which won't help them maximize their u.s appeal because part of the reason why this win is significant is that to your point you raised earlier bc stamp is really turning out to be somebody special for this organization a champion across again however similar dissimilar three different sports for them she's hugely valuable she's got like dude we're walking out without doing all the dancing and everything that she does and the way which she's been able to connect to both American and obviously overseas audiences. This is somebody that's a value and importance to them. And it just feels like on the other end, while I like I'm an Amazon Prime member.

You know, I want to be very clear about that. I really like it. I just I like had to like struggle for it to find it after the fact. And I just I just wonder what any of that means. I mean, they need a landing page. They need us, you know,

subhead landing page where you go to it and whatever the fight card that just happened is in the lead block, overwhelming the screen so that you don't have to be lost. But yeah, I like the, I like what they're doing. I like the direction there that they're going, Luke.

It's got a good feel to it. So here's the, here's the synergy of you mentioning Thursday night football football ray flores who we know very well from boxing and we work with him occasionally on showtime he's now the main play-by-play voice i thought he settled in well in this card and if your redskins are playing his bears luke do you follow ray on social media i don't know every time the bears lose he has these like you know two minute meltdown videos where i could just like i could feel the the the the pangs of his heart breaking luke you know under the weight of being a bears fan you know maybe we can get a mk debate where you two you know you're

two awful football teams go ahead against one another and you know i'm sorry how good is your football team no i'm just saying look at the potential drama and emotion one of you will probably break down at least we could have the cameras rolling you know yeah well your football team is decidedly worse i just want to point that out i don't have a football team you do you just stop claiming them when they're bad that's okay no no that's no no you've claimed them when they're better i've heard you do it it's quite all right you don't have to pretend that's not the case now i've heard you do it we've done this before that's okay the thing about being a commanders fan now is i mean some people are really upset but bc they they got rid of Dan Snyder.

Like, when they lose, I'm like, yeah, like, the process of rebuilding starts now, you know. I'm not expecting them to win hardly. And they gave Philly a bit of a tough run yesterday. So, you know, go fuck yourself. How about that? Yeah, yeah. How about that, Luke?

Luke, that's always your answer to everything. Straying off topic. Hey, how about you guys in the back keep getting rained on inside how about that how about that why don't you enjoy that all right topic number five here before do you think what do you think of uh of ray flow his adjustment so far with uh mitch and and i like ray flores i'm happy for him um i think that you know Mitch Chilson and Rich Franklin well definitely Mitch Chilson very caffeinated he's got very high energy you know very high energy I think Ray matches that really well I do think Rich brings a lot of additional uh insight to the commentary table they tried having Angela Lee on during the fight and you know god bless her she's obviously going through a lot I didn't think in terms of the fight itself, it added a ton. No, but no, she had the three-man crew.

There's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Very slow in her delivery. I felt, yeah, I felt the same thing, but I hear you. I like that team that they're forming. They're in, they're going in a good direction right now. So good.

All right. Last but not least topic, number five between PFL and one BC, give me somebody else who stood out in this combat sports weekend um you know I don't I mean there's a couple ways you can go right there Luke I certainly like me to go first since you seem unprepared for this question okay let's go for it take the wheel okay take the wheel all right this one's very easy and another thing that was lost because the the there was no U.S. broadcast which I cannot believe for PFL Paris, but this is where we are. How about the PFL debut, not just of Cedric Dumbay,

but of Abdul Abdul-Ragimov, who wins, I think, first-round rear naked choke very easily. The Lazy King. So we're talking about Cedric Dumbay and the UFC just kind of passing on him or having him and then falling apart, and he goes into the arms of PFL. I cannot believe they did not sign the UFC. Abderragimov, he was the two-weight world champion for Aries FC, which of course is based in Paris, France. Known as the Lazy King.

Obviously, he speaks English fluently, by the way, and French and Russian as well. He can do it all. He's very multi-talented, super experienced at this point. I'm going to say it one more time. He was the two-weight champion, and UFC just seemed to just pass on him. I couldn't believe it. Anyway, he wins this, and the big story is, BC, we talked about Dumbay, and I don't think he should ever go into a tournament in 2024.

Very different for Abduragimov, who is much more experienced talked about dumba and i don't think he should ever go into a tournament in 2024 very different for abduragimov who is much more experienced and in his post-fight interview said in english he wants the smoke bc he wants to move down to 155 155 170 have been his two weight classes he wants to go down to 155 and he wants in the next lightweight tournament because he wants to win a million dollars shouts to the lazy king a great signing by pfl a great debut on that card and i would love to see him in that tournament well sir you're gonna have to go through canada to get that oam luke you know what i'm talking about he's gonna give oam a run for his money yeah he'll give oam a run for so look you while you wrongly identified me having no answer i just had two answers in the end it was hard to pick so

let me say first uh you have to shout out daniel kelly going into that rematch yes uh with jessa khan so it was for the inaugural one adam wake grappling submission championship whatever you want to call it there luke but khan had won their first meeting a couple of years ago and then had been a world champion earlier this year. And dude, Kelly brought that eye of the tiger Luke. And you know, this is not necessarily my bag baby from the standpoint of this, this combat discipline. I know they brought in that guest announcer who was really sort of handling

the, the, the coming and going in almost a Mike to nay WCW type of way when they would bring in the Luchas and the cruiserweights. I know, not your bag either, Luke. But my whole point is, having interviewed her for Danielle Kelly, this match to her seemed to really be about validation and getting past those who look at her as just an American that's being shoved to the spotlight for marketability. She dug deep in there, came out of some pretty gnarly situations, including when Khan took her back. And, you know, for what the hell I know about grappling, Luke, that seemed like a pretty strong performance there. All right. Fair enough.

And then the other one, Luke. Oh, the other one, yes. Thank you for completely no-selling that or not validating it at all. I don't have much to say about the Daniel Kelly saga. All right, then here's what else I want to say. Mario Barrios was really my heart-pick, Luke. Oh, great call, great call. Because, you know, he damn near stopped Jordanus Ugas

and beat the bags off of him. And although this was a 37-year-old Ugas who was 16 months removed from the Spence loss, and yes, it seemed like his face, like he may be done. It probably is time. He probably should finish, but yet he was still dangerous Ugas and was in killer shape and brought the fight. Dude, this is a revived Mario Barrios with Bob Santos again in their reunion, their second

fight back together. If he's going to be able to box like this against somebody, you know, as quick and as good of a counterpuncher as Ugas and find big success. Dude, he's a player in this welterweight division. I mean, you're not going to favor him to beat, you know, boots. And certainly we are. We just saw Barrios lose to Keith Thurman on the pay-per-view level. But he's a much better version of himself like this than he had been. Big things ahead for the Aztec warrior Luke the El Azteca

as they call him um this guy's you know we know he's a badass but he re-sharpened those tools and I think he's got a little bit of marketability to him too you know and a good reputation I mean look at what he did to Ugas people don't do that to Ugas unless they're named Errol Spence right yeah I mean Errol Spence I think beat up Ugas much worse than this. This one was a little bit more competitive. But nevertheless, two things. One, I do think Ugas has some real tough choices to make because that eye that Spence destroyed is still swelling very rapidly,

and it was all from jabs. It wasn't like the hooks did that early. I mean, eventually they did, but the initial swelling that got kind of bad was all from just jabs, which just tells you that area is probably sensitive for life around that. So I hope he can be okay and maintain his vision and everything else. But to the point you raised about Mario Barrios, dude, let me just tell you what Bob Santos is getting out of him. He's getting out of him his best. He's getting out of him his best.

And to your point, is his best good enough to beat Boots Ennis? Probably not. I'm skeptical of something like that. But on this night, it was more than good enough to beat a very aging but crafty. Dude, Ugas is crafty as shit. Yeah, Ugas also landed bombs. Ugas had rallies in this fight, dude. Ugas was in this fight until he wasn't.

But here's the deal, Luke. Barrios at welterweight is not a big power puncher but this is the best use of his skills mixing the boxing with the attacking to like you said get the best out of him because he's not a finisher at this weight class but he's aggressive he throws high volume and now when he's not there to be hit and he's moving like this, throwing combinations, it's a different dude for sure. It's a different dude indeed. I love that win for him. That was a very special win.

That's a good call out. I like that just the same. All right, that's it for our top five, BC. With that in mind, let's move, if we can, to the segment where the viewers and or listeners get to ask us questions. It's time for DMs from dogs. Yeah, he haw.

He friggin' haw. He friggin' haw. All right. I don't know if I have any, so I'll just read them off the screen. Someone may have sent them. I don't even know. All right, here we go. From Strike.mx,

Should Ugas's corner, good question, have thrown in the towel, especially after the second knockdown in the 12th? His corner knew he was losing basically the whole second half of the fight, taking damage at almost 38. What were they thinking? BC, what were they thinking? Well, it's not just the corner. I didn't really love referee Thomas Taylor's performance in here.

I felt like, I mean, he was like. The doctor checked the eye before like a bunch of rounds. Like, I think Taylor would have been more than okay stopping that, you know, after the third time the doctor looked at it where Ugas is a bloody mess and he's getting knocked around. And Taylor's like, you know, the mouthpiece kept coming out. I know eventually he did take a point, but, you know, to not rinse off the mouthpiece and to just jam it back in his face is kind of disrespectful. Ugas is basically like, yo, what's going on? And he's just delaying the fight. He's not going to win it at this point.

You're risking, you know, in some cases, potentially his the quality of life future with his eye. I don't get how everybody conspired together to just sort of open the floodgates and let him get to the finish line. Now, that says nothing negative against Ugas' heart. I mean, same thing in that Spence fight. He was willing to risk it all. I mean, if you look back at all of these stories of how these Cuban athletes were able to leave Cuba and get to the States in the manner in which they did,

you never question that heart and what they're all about, and he was willing to show that, but who's more to blame in the end too willing to show that he showed too much of that in the spence fight and too much of that in this fight that's where the team that's where yes the team is probably most at fault but again i don't know what the referee was going to gain about making sure that fight went the distance the fight was over the fight was over it was it was over i think they could have stopped it i'll say this i'll say this if that was his retirement fight i sort of understand it i do a little bit but if that was just hey we want to get back out there as soon as we can and they just let that fight rock the way that it was

then that was indeed uh they did him a disservice and there's no moral victory end of his career yeah especially when we already know that you're a warrior it's different when you're 23 and you're like i gotta prove to everybody win or lose that you know i want the smoke this is different you you've already proven it like you you know like you said he's coming a danger to himself in that regard and so the tough conversation is in order and i do think it's time to go luke i do i mean he's a great great fighter had a great career but you're really risking an uncertain future if you're gonna if you're gonna push it too far your physical limitation spanish what's the what's it uh what did you say luke 54 in spanish oh uh quinceante quinceantro cuatro milagros nailed it nailed it that's exactly correct what is it what is it

cincuenta y cuatro cincuenta y cuatro milagros yes which that is his mother's name luke which also translates to miracle right miracles miracles and then the 54 is his best friend and co-manager aroldis chapman aroldis chapman all right very good question well you just gringo that i mean look we're among friends here we can speak with heavy curves on our pronunciations of latin names it's an open forum for that loop say say carne asada it's keto bitch right yeah That's good stuff. Yeah, yeah. Ba-dum, ba-dum, ba-dum, ba-dum. Skits and bits. Kibbles and skits and bits and bits and, yeah. All right.

Question number two. Let's see it. Let's see it. Let's see it, boys. All right. From Von Beck-Kak. Do the Diaz boys go into the Hall of Fame? They're probably gonna. So the question is, do they go into the Hall of Fame?

Not should they go into the Hall of Fame. If the question is, do they go into the hall of fame not should they go into the hall of fame if the question is do they go into the hall of fame i think the answer is probably yes so we're talking about the ufc hall of fame i think they both will and i don't think they would have if diaz didn't like if if he didn't stumble into a into a series with connor and then really like keep his reputation cool through different swerves and curves including fighting in the BMF inaugural fight and all of that

that I think Nate becoming such an unlikely crossover household star through the two McGregor fights I think they had all of that offsets whatever negatives they brought to the table in Dana's eyes. I think in totality, they look at the Diaz as a plus, having gone through the experience with them, Luke.

So, yes, that will get the Diaz brothers are a treasure to the fight game. I want to be very clear about that. In many ways, I think this is less true now, but for a time, I thought they had some pioneering training methods. They've certainly had the correct view about it being prize fighting more than a lot of their other MMA brethren they've just been ahead of the fight game in a lot of ways but like we're talking about should they be not do they but should they belong in the hall of fame I don't think that they should they've had title fights both of which they got wiped in no they're not real if there was a hard and fast line like like they typically have in the baseball hall of fame although I'm seeing like

scott roland getting in and then you're like wait what so maybe not but um if they had that kind of i mean look the pro football hall of fame seems to largely have a pretty pretty hard standard right of who gets in or out then no they they they they're don't i mean could you make more of a pioneer case for nick in some ways you could could. Maybe. You could. Strike force champion. Yeah. Like, yeah. I mean, they're close. I mean, look, Arturo Gatti was a Hall of Famer.

Even though he had been a world champion, there's a lot more titles in boxing. But when he went in in the boxing one, it was the first time we were sort of like, okay, maybe we're going to fudge it a little bit and say, yeah, he was world title level, but this is about his heart his entertainmanship you know all of that his warrior status and what what he meant to people in that regard under that heading the Diaz brothers could fit into that perfectly yes under that under that rubric it would work yeah I agree I like that yeah all Uh, question number three from Fisher or yeah. Fisher.

Aidian. If potato wins the light heavyweight title and him and Izzy both retired, then who would have had the better MMA career? Izzy, how was this? Well, I mean, if he was a two division champion in that short of amount of fights and he

would have held a knockout win over Izzy, it's not that he's not in this discussion, Luke, but the totality of Izzy's title defenses and the high-level talent he defeated along the way I think would also trump out and say, because you can't count their kickboxing experience into this argument, right? Correct.

We're talking about who had a better MMA career. Yes. Then definitely it's Izzy, but i don't think it's like automatic like are you a freaking idiot for trying no i don't think you're free i don't think i don't think it's crazy in that sense because obviously one guy would have two belts the other one wouldn't and wouldn't that automatically mean more i think what i would say about potato's career is if they retired under the way in which the question was worded, you know, who had the biggest bang for the buck? It's like Pineda or Brock Lesnar. I don't know.

That one's pretty competitive. Probably Pineda, to be perfectly honest with you. I mean, I remember when Brock came into the game and just took it over and was this immediate sensation. Certainly in ways even that Pineda was not. In fact, most fighters were not. But to get in, like, basically under 10 fights to get two different titles is fucking absurd. I mean, that's absurd. That's absurd to be able to do something like that. So that would be, you know, it would be special as shit.

Don't get me wrong. I mean, imagine if he had on his MMA resume wins over Sean Strickland, Israel Adesanya, Jan Blachowicz, and then Yuri Prochazka. Even for a small sampling, that's hella, Luke. That's absurd. That's hella. And for a guy who everyone's like, oh, he can kickbox, he can't wrestle. It's like, well, shit, I guess the kickboxing is good enough. I mean, if you're getting wins like that jesus like

i guess you got you figured something else out right that's probably it would be amazing it would be amazing i don't i wouldn't expect it off for that reason cook yeah right luke you don't expect supermodels to be good cooks right sometimes you got to just lean on your strength you know i never i mean i don't necessarily believe that me going sandals on a plane is the same thing as breastfeeding, Luke. Let those kids work. Yeah, breastfeeding is justified. You going sandals on a plane means that someone should hit your balls with a car antenna.

That's what that means. Yeah, but do you know how great having the first-class bed was when you had no idea you were getting that? I need to talk to someone at Showtime about how you got the bed to my city and I had to take the layover in Chicago. Because you know that feeling. It's not just four hours sleep only. It's five nights in Vegas, right?

I mean, we worked hard around, you know, start to finish. And to get, I mean, I could have, if I had died there for whatever reason, they would have said he went out doing what he loved, Luke. Sleeping comfortably and happily. Yes. Mast masturbating in the bathroom no no i did have to hop over my neighbor to get to the bathroom like i held it as long as i could like past the burning feeling but now into like the am i am i risking you know future operation of this apparatus if i keep holding so i had to like jump over the guy who was in the it was weird but I got I tell you the guy next to me he tried to get he tried to get like real like I'm in charge here with me and I was like nah we're not we're not playing that so I had to sit on the outside he

had to sit on the inside and I had sat down first and he gets in front of me and is like kind of leaning and pointing at his seat but like kind of like right on top of me he's like I have to get there but the way he said it immediately pissed me off so i just looked up at him real slowly and i go well first you have to move so i can get out oh you did that real passive aggressive yeah super passive aggressive yeah well first you have to move he right away he's like oh he was a bitch i know it like he was oh he was real friendly after that no no no no no no oh he backed down you're saying oh he backed he you know you know that movie never back down his favorite movie is always back down that's what his favorite movie is because he was definitely

very and then when i stood up next to him he's old and frail and i'm looking over him like fucking you know mutombo fucking giving him one of these he was a little bit more friendly about it i've noticed that he's like i, I got to get there. Oh, but this is like an elderly guy. Don't talk to me like that. I'm not your fucking kid. You can't celebrate Duncan on an elderly guy, though. He wasn't super elderly.

The thing is this. If you're one of those rich elderly people who just thinks that you can talk shitty to everyone and it's going to be okay, it's not going to be okay at certain times. And it wasn't okay with me. Not in Luke Thomas' house. Yes, yes. No, no, no, no. I need to get there.

You need to get the fuck out of my face is what you need to do, you old piece of shit. Yeah, this is Latin. Hope you don't die on the flight, motherfucker. All right, next question. Life expectancy of Thursday, have an ass, bitch. All right, from Morning Bucket. Brian and Luke, what are each of your top five?

Can't read for shit. Top five boxing fights that you think someone getting into a boxing after MMA should watch. I find it difficult to know where to start. We got a whole video. If you search on the youtube.com slash morning combat channel that, let me ask you a question in this way, BC,

which of the Gotti wards is the best uh number one by far is the best one three is pretty good uh two is awful except for round three which is amazing round three is amazing but that's largely a one-sided unexciting fight because god he chose to box which was always going to be his strength to beat an aging ward but you know in the first fight he he decided he chose violence in the first fight and that's why it's my favorite fight all right so let me go with this one so you can pick one of those we'll make this easy for them your favorite roy jones jr fight you know just for entertainment purposes i love his destruction of murky sosa and madison square

garden i think it's like 95 or 96 because sosa brought bombs and was kind of a herky-jerky fighter and i mean roy's that's peak roy of like you know during the same time period when he put his hands behind his back like that's just next level ballerina but ballerina with edward scissorhands uh you know to finish people with i mean he just he defied everything he does there's never i don't think we've ever seen a combat this is what this is why roy is anderson silva's like god i don't think there's ever ever been a combat sports athlete who was that quick twitch athletic it obviously also helped that roy was you know a genius and and and also was you know his backbone was incredible his work ethic was incredible but dude no one's ever been that athletic in combat sports before

like it was like yeah the gap between him and his opponents in that regard, which allowed him to break all the rules in terms of technique and put himself, like Nassim Hamed, in seemingly awful situations only to then lightly counter you and knock you flush out. Yeah. I feel like, isn't it weird? I think the Mayweather Pacquiao era was so commercially successful that to some degree it has drowned out Roy's era, like right before them. And, you know, Roy was never, even though he got the Jordan sponsorship and even though

he was obviously very popular, wasn't a huge solo pay-per-view star. Like there was a limit to his popularity in that regard. So I feel like, unfortunately, because a lot of people's introduction was old Roy, who was lingering and getting knocked out in his late forties. Like he, he almost had a Bo Jackson like career. And how we say Bo Jackson was like this comment that just came through, but Roy had a Bo Jackson career over like a full decade of just like,

I can't believe what I just saw moments there's nobody like him luke a couple more favorite de la jolla fight i corte okay uh favorite mike tyson fight the first holyfield but oh how about this one favorite james lights out tony fight j Oh, Vasily Jerov. Even though that's not prime, James Tony. That's actually not his prime at all. No, no. I mean, dude, him at super middleweight when he was legitimately pound for pound best in the world for a stretch, you know, and then he fought Roy. And I mean, that dude, James Tony, for as much as he lingered and did things he shouldn't have and is still trying.

I think he's fighting Razor Reddick coming up. Like, what are we doing here folks um despite all that dude prime tony was no joke but the vasili jeroff win at cruiserweight which he had almost no business even being there in the first place dude that's just that's the peak of like old man strength and balls and just leaning on his technique and damn that's a inspiring talking about the philly shell and mma and i'm like they always talk about floyd having a good philly shell but his was very defensive you know go check out the philly shell of james tony this motherfucker had i mean he would make you miss six inches in front of him and then set you on fire with it so the guy was

asking for five fights those are five fights he could easily pick from right there. Don't forget, he beat John Ruiz for a heavyweight championship. He failed the steroid test and they stripped him of the title. And I'm not saying at that point that that version of Ruiz was a killer, but he actually carried it all the way to the heavyweight level

and actually won a title in a big ass fight. Yeah, he did drugs, but I mean, you know, everyone fight yeah he did drugs but i mean you know every i mean everyone they all did drugs all right uh next from underscore kate lw what concert would you like to see in las vegas sphere did you see all the stuff that came out of it you two played there how many we were there we were there not in it but that's the same night that this debuted and that you two has like the residency and then i then on other bands already have secured it for a certain stretch

after that i saw the videos luke it looks like imax on steroids on ecstasy on more steroids with then more molly and then like just yeah yeah like whatever elvis was on the night he croaked on the toilet luke he was probably you know he probably went out again doing what he loved my man was on cold medicine and fried banana sandwiches yeah no no if you actually research it that like the his handlers get put out like an autobiography and they talked about how much they how much drugs he was actually on uppers and downers his you could have you could have you could have killed a rhino with the amount you could have killed all of the budweiser clydesdales all right can we do the shit we have one more can we do the shit now or what

hold on we have one more is that it that's it all right bc it's time for your feces yeah it's been a while since we did these and i had some good ones left over so i tried to put together just a just a batch of wildness here i scoured the globe all that you know how it goes it's called bc's feces come and see my shit yeah what do you think about that bc oh is it already time to hear that that's what did you eat that that fueled that what was i don't you know what the thing was i think my stomach was messed up because i hadn't eaten um so i don't know but you need haritaki then luke you know that thing rashad's trying to get us to start that powder i bought some i haven't started it yet but i got to tell you, I love Rashad,

and I'm not saying he's not in healthier shape than I am, but I'm a little skeptical it's because of Haritaki. I can just say that. No, Chef Kaz backs me up. He uses it, Luke. He's not just the Haritaki Club president. He's also a client. Yeah, but Chef Kaz is going to wear Nikes and drink, you know, Jonestown Kool-Aid at some point.

He looks like that kind of guy. Okay, that went too far. I need to defend my friend. That's just a guess. I'm not making a claim let's go to canelo charlo in las vegas so that co-main event on saturday luke jesus ramos jr erickson lubin turned out to be a unanimous decision for lubin when a lot of people had ramos winning here's canelo's here's canelo's reaction in the locker room.

That's BC's reaction when I'm like, hey, BC, you want to go get dinner together? And he's like, I better fucking die, bitch. Yeah, come on. I mean, look, do I have to spend every waking minute on the road with you, or can I just limit it to the broadcast? No. Hey, I'll tell you what. Shout out Alan Dawson from a few different Pro Box and from a few different places there. Great bloke from the from

the uk it was great catching up with him what was the name of the place he took us to bird dogs yeah brew dogs without a rooftop uh vegas strip bar yeah that was pretty badass it was actually nice had a nice little view and luke real recognized real after canelo charlo when floyd mayweather was their ringside dabbed canelo up 10 years after their meeting. Did you enjoy this moment at all? I did. I mean, I thought Floyd kind of made it all about himself at the post-fight press conference, which is a little weird. Speaking of that, Luke, 17-year-old Mayweather promotion signee, and this is a big one,

Carmel Moton. Is that how you say it? Moton? I think that's how, or Moton. Yeah, I'm not sure how you say it. She is a big-time prospect, Made his pro debut on the undercard. But then Floyd kind of stole his thunder in the press conference. Here's a little snippet of it.

What are we rating ourselves on? What are we rating on? Okay. What we want to know, in the least amount of fights, you know, I didn't have to have 70 fights or 150 fights, 300 fights. Did I or did I not beat the most world champions? Yes, you did. Okay.

And in the least amount of fights? Yes, you did. Who got the highest gate? Floyd Mayweather. Who made the most money? You did. Who was the most accurate fighter of all time? You were.

So it's basically saying that. The greatest of all time. Okay. All right basically saying that the greatest of all time okay all right no disrespect champ no disrespect luke only that wasn't the end of it floyd would go on to defend his own legacy multiple more times look this was what to be fair this is what boxing twitter used to talk about in the early uh tank davis days that maybe maybe there were times that Floyd commandeered the microphone too long and overstayed his welcome. Luke, he literally pushed his young prospect out of the way to defend his good name, Luke.

It's like it's 2023. How are we still? I just want to tell Floyd, it's like, Floyd, look at me, Floyd. You won. Yeah, you did win, Floyd. You won. Yeah, you did win, Floyd. You won. And dude, I always say- You won all the fights.

You won all the belts. You won all the money. You won. Relax. And his legacy is going to only improve like a fine wine day by day. Because I do think some of it is because he so aggressively played a character, like an evil genius villain who made it so much about the money that, look, I was one of the biggest ones who were writing columns back in the day for

ESPN. You know, Floyd just finally fight Manny, get it over, you know, show us who you are. In the end, Luke, he did fight everybody he should have for the most part. It was under his control. But when you look back at who he beat and how he beat them, mean floyd was floyd's freaking amazing floyd is amazing it's only gonna get better it said canelo charlo it's just that's fair we don't have we don't need to be having this right now uh luke did you see this wholesome moment in canelo's locker room before the fight when his son saul jr dude this was great right look at this awesome

his little kids got some great movement already for a little for a little dungan look at him in the robe too this is wonderful did they wrap his hands no no i thought for a second they had wrapped him but i mean i could see you and toques doing something like that one day on an mk set live at a fight luke okay i don't want to take tuki anywhere near fights if i could have it all avoid it is it because you don't want to take Tuki anywhere near fights if I can have it all avoided. Is it because you don't want the fight game to negatively rub off on her or you don't want her to turn into like a Tasmanian devil during the live broadcast? A little column A, column B, but like people in combat sports just don't want to reconcile with the fact that no one in the ranks

wants to do anything about there being awful people everywhere. Folks always ask me like, oh, are you going to take Tuki to train jiu-jitsu? I'm like, yeah, probably not. Probably not because your gyms are full of people who treat women like shit so probably not yeah all right luke it was a big week for bud crawford beyond those cold-blooded tweets at jermell charlo here's the shirt that we talked about on the post-fight show saturday that he rocked on the red carpet that's winning right there Luke if you can remember that episode of the Cosby show where who was the son who was the Cosby son I forget his name Theo Theo where he had to stitch his own shirt or like one of his sisters had to stitch his own shirt what was the name of the shirt thing ever it was like a Gordon Gartrell

or something and yeah something like that yes and Denise was like no I'll make it for you and then oh dude I gotta show a picture i can't we can't do it in real time but adrian broner one showed up on a showtime broadcast in basically a gordon gartrell like the craziest shirt ever but dude i think bud pulled it off there like i'm not clowning him like he looked like a like the badass that he is but luke watch this you talk about bo knows every sport he touches so does bud crawford here is a flag football game it's the last play of the game bud is the quarterback look at him elude it and throw the bomb game winning touchdown he's got those tebow mechanics but he's an athlete i mean there's

no denying game winning touchdown and then he's an athlete we've always known the legend of terrence crawford the youth wrestler how about his grappling and jujitsu skills here i'm gonna guess this was somebody on his team that challenged him and it went wrong but look watch the technique here yeah it's not bad i mean for someone who doesn't really train that's actually really good uh dude he's an athlete i mean there's no denying bud crawford i mean look at him stuffing it got a good down's going to turn and he's going to get behind and then put his hands together and then cradle this fucking guy. Look at this. And he's going to turn into the cradle.

Watch flip them. Boom. Pin. Terrence Crawford's an athlete boy. Make no mistake. Imagine, imagine him with 10 years of MMA training at featherweight. He's one of the few guys that I think could have been a champion in any combat sport, basically. Yeah, yeah.

And he's also that dude. I mean, do you see, like, a lot of people tweeting, like, you know, Charlo didn't show the killer instinct that we've seen in other fights, unfortunately. Bud might show that. Bud would have to bring that to a Canelo fight. You have to bring that. You may have to lean on that.

But he's got that. Yeah, I think if Bud fought Canelo, you would not get Mikey Garcia-Spence 2.0. You would get... Win or lose, you would get a different effort. Indeed, indeed. Let's go to the classroom, Luke. This feels like a younger version of you.

Let's listen in on this exchange. What's your name? Wyatt. Can you sing for us? Sing how you used to sing. Why can you sing for us? That's basically life on the road with Luke Thomas just by the way, did you see the shirt he was wearing? Do you see what it say? What did it say? It said minor threat a Washington DC based band Do they do they practice like uh honor killing style songwriting look it's a punk band but i'm glad you're not knowledgeable about it at all it's

okay okay all right well luke whenever we see data white he's always hanging out with these like teenage influencers and what is this all about i don't know what happened here but look at this interaction yeah show that show that influencer who's boss luke do you have any comments about this i don't know why it's on the show that's my comment all right there you go uh that looks staged to me though i don't understand if you think so dana chewing gum there through the whole thing yeah luke do you know about this rising pro-wrestling villain MJF, Maxwell Jacob Freeman? You know full well I have no fucking idea who this is. All right, he's a star on AEW,

like a breakthrough star and a great heel. They do real press conferences after some of these big AEW events where real journalists ask questions, not about the, you know, not under kayfabe, but like questions about the performance here's mjf fielding a reporter here let's listen in coke the mark hoke show 1015 fmk don here in las vegas congratulations on your victory tonight sir congrats on having type 3 diabetes mark how

may i help you yeah not quite fat but it's okay i mean uh hold on let me ask a question what is type three diabetes i don't know but that's dude that was pretty uh cold-blooded right there i mean he's be he lives the gimmick that guy all right yeah but to say the guys here covering him and they're just that's the new thing the new thing is to just absolutely just shit on the media as much as possible. That's the news. Dude, remember how Back to the Future, the main crux of the movie, was going back in time and changing one key pivotal outcome, and then you see how much that dictated

the rest of your life? What if when John tried to send you to hell at 217 at that press conference, you delivered a comeback like that, and we look back and you're not George McFlycfly angry frustrated dad you're a superstar a published author george mcfly you know what i'm saying we're like think i'm an a i'm an angry person but i'm not a frustrated dad i'm actually quite happy to be

a dad that's one of the few things that's gone quite well also just sort of thinking about it i should have had a comeback but i wasn't as aware at that time as i am now about how much disdain there was for me especially my fighting class is that true so you don't think that was a john jones issue that was sort of like a you were because you were getting a reputation at that time um i mean i'm not sure about the reputation it was just after that fight i kind of was like, I wonder who else feels this way. And then I went through and tried to sort of see.

And most of my relationships were just fine, actually. But I definitely uncovered, I would say, three or four more. In fact, there was one guy who, after that, he was a champion around that time. I tried to get an interview with him, and I had been getting interviews with him for years, and he stopped returning my texts, and so I got an intermediary to see if I could make it work.

And that person, even the intermediary told me that that person refused to meet with me. That person now has been, and I don't really care about him. But yeah, there was a fair amount of disdain at the time. Wow. Well, Luke, I'm here to tell you. Listen, if you're not relentlessly positive about fighters, you're going to make enemies.

You have a choice. You can either be nothing but positive all the time, or you can choose to just be like, I'm just not going to have relationships with some of these guys, and I choose the latter. So there you go. You can make friends or you can make money, right? Yeah.

You can make money making friends in this business i just don't want to do it that way the only thing that matters in the end the money in the miles that's what the old wrestlers say and the somas those guys get the shit out of somas hey let's go to hey broadcasting bloopers luke they're really the best bloopers let's let's hear the local news jackson the man just won a million dollar jackpot from a scratch off where he bought the winning ticket. That's a hit. Dude, I've been trying to win a million dollars from jacking off for 44 years, buddy. Let me tell you.

Haven't found that one yet. Yeah, that hasn't been financially prosperous as of yet. Let's hear the local weather. Milesome sunshine, 60. Thursday, partly sunny skies and 57. And to another woman who likes to be double fisted in a different way, I think, Jess. She means beer. She means beer.

Guys, she means beer. Don't put me on YouTube. My God. I just. Yeah. We're going to keep going. We're on right now. I would rather it not be.

I'd be more curious to get to know her. Luke, it's not just local news who get trapped in things. Here's Chris Collinsworth back on the program. You go. oh, oh, I get why he led the Legion in Russia. He looks like he weighs about 200 pounds from the waist down. Just big, thick, saquon, Barkley kind of looking. What did you do? Did he really say that? Dude, Chris Collinsworth is like, yo, this man's hog is like 500 pounds,

and I just want to see it and just touch it like a circus animal. Did you ever see? Yeah, we played it on Have You Seen This Shit Once, that video of Chris Collinsworth when he was like his second year in the league, and he was talking about how he goes and manipulates these girls and gets. It was kind of weird, right? It was kind of weird. Yeah, I mean, the entire 1970s and 80s was just 100% pro-rape. I mean, it was kind of weird right it was kind of weird yeah i mean you know the entire 1970s and 80s was just you know 100 pro rape i mean it was just you know okay that's now that dude you

watch we've talked about this you watch revenge of the nerds and part of the humorous storyline is that they trick this girl into these sexual escapades by just switching out the partner it's like and hidden cameras who greenlit this we we got bush right i mean that's an indelible line from our youth right hair to pie right i mean we were there we lived it turns out it's just pro rape stuff wow hey luke we celebrated the villainous change of johnny eblin and his title defense in middleweight at bellator 299 against fabian edwards but i did get a lot of people coming back in the dms and saying guys he stood up and spit at him after defeating him luke let's check the videotape watch eblin closely here so people said that he did and then

eblin later denied it do you believe him no it looks like he's spitting right there it looks like he's spitting i don't know if that's a pump fake spit which is you know also like giving somebody nothing came out like he tried to spit and then nothing came out i pointed this out before michael bisping did this to um jorge rivera's corner yeah after their fight he went and spat on the corner so i listen here's what i always say you cannot in any way condone someone spitting on their opponent i mean it's obviously inappropriate but i try to like judge them not in the moment but afterwards and how they handle it so if he's lying about the spitting that's bad but if he's saying he didn't spit and he's telling the truth you know that's what i don't know what was ever said to start this beef the beef was kind of fun

to see in some of the pre-flight trash talk, but I'm certainly not going to condone. You just beat the guy. I'm not going to condone spitting. No, you can't spit on people. No. I mean, it was sort of like, hey, I can't condone Habib drop-kicking Dylan Danis. He probably had it coming, Luke, but I don't know if I can condone that after 229. All right.

I don't know. Dylan Danis kind of deserves all of the negative shit that comes his way, right? Let's see if he goes in there against Logan Paul or if we get this Mike Perry sandwich that we all deserve. I can't wait for that. Hey, let's go to the park. Luke, if you ever saw somebody doing a public stunt like this saying choose one, would you do it? No, I'm not. I'm not.

I'm not entirely stupid. Oh, it's a hug, dude. You would have won a hug. Luke, did you see that? that oh she got the hug that's amazing oh all right let's go to the trucker hat of the year luke you could you could probably buy this at the local ta let me get a four loco a boner pill and six bucks i gotta tell you i'd wear this hat how about you wear that hat and i'll wear the it's columbia not columbia hat we'll be like dumb and dumber part two would be great i'd be down i'd be size for that especially the orange hunting camo yeah look you know how they rush the field in sporting events

and they get tackled they get taken off we don't see that a lot in the ufc but this chick tried it recently watch her path i've seen this she runs she tries to get up on the thing and then just fucking gets pushed like a bitch get the fuck down yeah she got the uhib Dylan Dennis treatment there. Get the F off my stage. Yeah. Shout out to UFC. See you, bitch. Security. Luke, you like food eating contests because they're gross,

and you like seeing Joey Chestnut put all that wiener in his mouth. But have you tried mayo championships? Oh, my God. Let me guess. They're white? Turns out it's even grosser, dude. Check this out. I mean, what are we doing, America?

Dude. Dude, what in the fuck am I looking at? Oh, look at the mascot, too. Dude, what do you win, except in the words of that other gentleman you showed, type 3 diabetes? Dude, the Richter scale on the dumps that they're going to have to take after this, Luke, that's what you win. You win. Sorry, sir, your butt has exploded.

That is so filthy. Wow. Dude, I'm literally getting nauseous looking. All right. Well, Luke, is this Columbia or am I being insensitive? Check out what's coming out of the sidewalks here uh i don't think they have alligators like this in any city i've been to is that scary or what because you know after i watched the horror movie the ghoulies as a kid

i always thought something was going to come up through the toilet yeah look at this how is this not southeast asia it might be i was at you know i didn't i didn't see any indicators to tell me what it was here all i saw were gators well how about gators coming out of the fucking ground i mean that's yeah i don't know how to tee up this next video beyond saying come on in let's do it oh shit rude Rude. Come on in if you got some pussy. Oh, that was great.

He was like, I got a great line for you. It's too bad I'm so drunk I can't even hold my own weight up against the wall luke that's on that could have been valdosta right there right that's how my dad used to say he used to say it with like disdain because my mom had moved us there he'd be like valdosta like when like hw bush used to always say saddam all the time saddam hussein yeah yeah yeah that was weird hey luke it's time for Rate That Tat, America's favorite game show. What about this pretzel? Are you into this?

No, I couldn't say I was super into that. I mean, but the technique, Luke, it is pretty decent, right? I mean, he's got some decent shading on the line work. Okay. All right, let's go to a more aggressive tat this is more of an action oriented tattoo check this out if that's a tattoo and that's not just face paint from the park it's a decent technique though right again i'm gonna hope that he's got that gummy ass smile that the horses do you know

luke i don't know if you've seen this car commercial or whatever it is in texas that played up 9-11 more than i did to try to capitalize on i know the video i can't wait for september 11th luke this one took it too far though texas poor taste doesn't begin to describe this ad from a local mattress retailer what better way to remember 9-11 than with a twin tower sale right now you can get any size mattress for a twin price store-wide sale all day long we'll never forget are you that was in such poor taste luke that was unbelievable oh my god what are they doing right i mean who was was that was that al-qaeda mattress like who was i don't know i don't know i don't know was this the official mattress provider for the Mujahideen? Is that who that was?

I don't know, Luke, but it's time for MMA fighters in the wild. You know I love this. Here's Shavka Rachmaninoff showing us how awesome he is. All right, let's see. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. You can do a backflip into the pool. That's all right.

Nailed it. Hey, Chris Lieben has a new identity. Luke, we mentioned it briefly last week but here's a picture as his debut as an mma judge dude he looks cool right he does except he had a real fucked up scorecard in the process but uh let's see how it goes yeah it can't be too bad comparatively to what we're used to lately to be fair luke uh did you see gabriel's actually. People have this idea very quickly that because you fought, that means you know how to judge. They are two separate skills. Maybe one helps you for the other one,

but the idea that because you fought, you understand judging, nope, two different skill sets. Hey, Frank Trigg's doing a great job helping out these state commissions. Yeah, but it takes time to learn. That's the whole point. Sure. Hey, Gabriel Silva is Andersonva's son luke did you see he had a boxing match with mma media's ben the bane davis i did i did bane got sat down i felt real bad about it but uh you know he went

out there and he he tried old bane like charlo this was daring to be great from ben the bane davis to be fair right we got to give him that respect are you daring to be great if you're if you're destined to lose well he i'll look he went in there guns blazing and with the trash talk in the build-up too so i gotta respect that you know i mean no i love that i love ben but it's like we got to reserve the daring to be greats for like crawford fight trying to fight canelo okay not just walking into a slaughter situation for sport well yeah he did more than most of us not named oscar willis or e casey lyden would do it's true okay that's true by the way we saw we saw oscar in vegas and it looked like he hadn't showered in 35 days yeah but he has a he has a really nice watch i think

he thought i was coming on to him luke but i was really impressed by his watch you know i think he stole that off one of the prostitutes he hired all right okay this is getting a little libel libel this luke let's go to our final fighter in the wild you see uh weili zhong who it's she's impossible not to love met up with shack she did the bit of trying to lift him over her head luke um and then shack was like punch me as hard as you can and she wouldn't this is where you gotta cue the chris collinsworth he's like seven thousand pounds from the waist down and no one's talking about his legs he's like punch me for real yeah um it was great to look she's great she's a great ambassador yeah everyone seems to like her and i'm very glad about that because she seems very likable indeed yeah but she's you know she's probably got some insane views about you know

whatever she's a fighter you know luke you can disagree with the view but still love the viewer you know what i'm saying hey listen i think she's great from what i can tell she seems like a lovely person yeah yeah uh luke is this an appropriate or an offensive way to to use the U.S. flag? Because you're usually the the the gatekeeper. This is super offensive. Dude, that guy definitely gets laid, though. I mean, look at this. Look at this. Yeah. I mean, he definitely bangs a certain kind of two and a half. There's no denying. Again, you're not supposed to wear the flag as clothing in the way that this gentleman is but yeah but i think he's bringing more glory to the to the old i don't i don't i think it's bringing

you know the opposite whatever the opposite of glory is all right he's bringing plenty of that i got one more piece of shit luke let's watch and listen this is great bro she got pancaked like a on that thing yeah that's one of those stupid stupid games stupid prizes type of thing right luke yeah yeah yeah i'm not sure what they were trying to do they're like ricochet off the fence and then swing back yeah they that was the worst landing possible but that's your uh ish of the week it was more of a hodgepodge collection of leftovers but you know maybe we come back stronger next week with a bang yeah i was gonna say that's a very uninspired dose if i

could just be honest with you oh i see i was moved by a lot of it luke but that you know we have different you know your search history is comparatively different to mine if you know what i'm talking about right like disgustingly different what kind of pornography did you watch in vegas i'm very i don't think that's an appropriate thought question what did you type in the old potential answer just to be fair okay would you type in the search bar pogs you like the pogs standards you know i mean you know i mean is it a dash between 115 and pound when you're searching luke i don't know you know what i mean i'm just kidding folks seriously i mean really know, I'm just such a good actor. Luke, I'm able to just.

Oh, you're acting. You're acting. Just not the way the audience thinks you are. I know, but you're acting. All right. Let's remind everyone. First of all, thanks to everyone who made the past week in Vegas. All that it was.

We appreciate you. Thanks to everyone who watched today. We appreciate that as well. You want to reach the show? Morningcombat at gmail.com. Of course, it's the best place to do that show show the socials boys show them the socials you can follow us on all the social media outlets they're calling it x now i'm never gonna call it xbc it's twitter for life they can no i'm never i'm never you know there's just like even like the dignity health sports park dude you're stub hub center you know i'm

saying like that's what it is you know like you're not capital one arena you're verizon center eat shit yeah you're stamp fair text you ain't just stamp right yeah that's right that's well they take the name of their the last name yeah so her real name is probably something completely different yeah same thing with uh sarisa ketsor rungvisai yeah yeah in any event so um showtime.com is the label that pays showtime.com 30-day free trial. If you like it, you can keep it. If not, you can bounce. And BC, we have to remind everyone. Now, hold on.

We should talk about this on air very quickly. I know that Bellator 300 is this weekend, right, if I'm not mistaken. I believe it is this weekend. That's the first thing. Second thing is, isn't the Dylan Danis, Logan Paul thing this weekend? No, I thought that was October 14th. Okay, so 14th. Very good.

Dude, I don't know how we're going to do this. We got to figure it out. We need to do a watch along for that. We really do. When's the next UFC? When's the Abu Dhabi pay-per-view? That's the next one. The weekend after that, the 21st.

The 21st. Okay, yes. Which, by the way, is when my family gets back, my in-laws get back from Columbia just in time to help me watch Tukster because my wife is going to be gone on a work trip during that time. So I'm going to have enough family here family gets back my in-laws get back from columbia just in time to help me uh watch tukster because my wife is going to be gone on a work trip during that time so i'm gonna have enough family here so they can well you have care of will you have uncle pepe um i think so i think so i think

because you never know cousins from columbia you never know how deep he may roll with women to help and aid in the no no no he rolls solo here no no no here it's a solo project yeah I would encourage him to continue swiping just for the potential of extra sitters Luke uh yeah I don't I'm not gonna have a random watch my kid but I appreciate your uh thinking through that process I mean

if best you could yeah if uncle can vouch for for the lady then I can too I mean that guy's libido Luke is just wow wow, right? It's just out of control. All right, it looks like the rain inside the studio is going to take us out here, so let's wrap this up. That's Brian Campbell.

I'm Luke Thomas. Thanks to Malka. Thanks to Showtime. Thanks to CBS Sports and everybody else involved. We'll get you ready for Bellator 300 this weekend on Wednesday and a whole lot more. Thanks, everyone. We're out of here on this Monday show.

That's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. Morning Combat is over. And until next time, may all of your gains be loyal. thanks everyone we're out of here on this monday show that's brian campbell i'm luke thomas morning combat is over and until next time may all of your gains be loyal