Morning Wire - Exorcist Explains How NOT To Get Possessed This Halloween

Episode Date: October 25, 2026

Father Carlos Martins, Catholic exorcist and host of The Exorcist Files, joins Georgia Howe and Daily Wire Executive Editor John Bickley to discuss demonic possession, haunted homes, and the Catholic Church’s approach to exorcisms. Martins shares accounts from his decades of experience, explains how exorcists distinguish alleged possession from mental or physical illness, and reveals how often people who seek help turn out not to be possessed. He also discusses what he believes opens the door to demonic activity, the role of confession and spiritual accountability in exorcisms, and whether Halloween brings a surge in possessions. Get the facts first with Morning Wire.- - -Ep. 3160- - -Wake up with new Morning Wire merch: https://bit.ly/4lIubt3- - -Today's Sponsors:Alliance Defending Freedom - Visit https://JoinADF.com/WIRE or text WIRE to 83848 to make TWICE the impact for freedom today. NetSuite - If your revenues are at least in the seven figures, get the free business guide, Aligning for the Agentic Era: How AI Is Changing Everyday Work, at https://Netsuite.com/MORNINGWIRE- - -Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacymorning wire,morning wire podcast,the morning wire podcast,Georgia Howe,John Bickley,daily wire podcast,podcast,news podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Demons are liars. Their world is is one of mirages, smoke and mirrors. You have the power as an exorcist to compel him to tell the truth about this situation. That was Father Carlos Martins on his hit podcast, The Exorcist Files, which he co-hosts with Ryan Biffay, for which he draws on his decades of experience as an exorcist for the Catholic Church. In this special spooky episode, we sit down with Father Martins to ask our most burning questions about exorcisms, including about their authenticity, how often they're deemed necessary by the church, and why they're more prevalent now than Elton.

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into 10-year age segments. And in the 18- to 29-year-old demographic, what they discovered is that in a five-year-period, 18- to 29-year-olds, the number of those folks that abandoned religion altogether increased by one-third, which is simply staggering.

At the same time, 62% of them answered that they believe it is possible for someone to become demonic, possessed. So in that demographic that is increasingly abandoning religion, something is occurring in their lives that is making them conclude the devil is real. And no one is speaking to this. So I took my experience as an exorcist working with a bunch of really good people, people in Hollywood that could turn this into a high-quality podcast production, and that's what we did.

All right, so you just mentioned something, of course, that is crucial to this, your experience as an exorcist. Will you give us a little bit of background? How did you come about doing that? What does that entail? Yeah, sure. So when I was ordained a deacon, I was assigned to a parish in Texas. That parish, the priests there handled all the exorcisms for the diocese. I'm coming on as a deacon.

I'm going to be a deacon for a year before I'm ordained a priest. they were so busy with cases involving people, people who were demonized, that anything less, like the house infestation, where the diabolical phenomena is happening within somebody's home or business, all those cases went to me. And so that's how I started. Once I was ordained a priest, then I gradually started being asked more and more to take on cases involving people. And then eventually that became, that turned into a whole lot of cases. And here we are.

The podcast then in my book are an outflow of that where I share my experiences and teach the craft, if you will. In the sense of my goal is to take out the mystique that Hollywood has put in it. And frankly, a lot of the church's silence about it has put in it. I want to take out the lore that's there that is not useful and put in the truth. And as an apologetic, as a way to explain what it is we do. So we have a lot of questions to unpack with that. But first, most people are familiar with exorcisms from Hollywood. What do you feel is accurate and what do you feel is inaccurate from our general perception that we probably already have?

Sure. Well, a two-part answer to that. So the classic is the movie The Exorcist. That's the granddaddy of the mole. Everything in that movie is accurate in the sense that everything that's in there you might see, with one exception, and that is the 360-degree head-turning. Now, the devil may cause that to appear. Like, for example, one time in one of my cases, which I discuss in the book, for a fleeting moment, it looked like the, the, the victim's canines increased to two inches in length.

Like they looked like the teeth from a cat coming out of his mouth. But it was just for a few seconds. Like it was just for a fleeting instance and then it was gone. So to me, I saw it. It looked like those teeth increased in light, but they didn't. So the devil can create an illusion. He is perfectly capable of bending light. and so a 360 degree head turn, he's perfectly capable of making it look like that that's occurred.

But a neck can't undergo that and still be a neck. So it's not within his power to do that. So that part is accurate. Where Hollywood falls short. See, Hollywood is enthralled by demonic power, by his ability to make things levitate, to throw something across the room, to anticipate your next move for the priest who's praying the ritual, the devil will repeat the words as he prays it. And he might be one or two words even ahead of the priest as a way to kind of just get into

his head and shake him. But where Hollywood falls short, so Hollywood's enthralled with that. It does that part in spades. What it doesn't do well is understand the demonic mind. And that's the real scary part. because you're dealing with a being that is older than time. He doesn't share eternity with God. He is a creature, but he is older than time.

And that being gave up his eternal happiness and is still giving it up in perpetuity in order to battle against humans simply because God loves them. And now that's scary. So you did not help my childhood, trauma after watching stupidly the exorcist when I was really young. So most of this is true. So look, I got to be honest, I'm coming in with a lot of skepticism. I think a lot of people

probably do approach your show with the same skepticism. I got a few questions. So first of all, the Catholic Church has an entire system of addressing exorcisms. Does any other major denomination do this? Absolutely. The Orthodox do. And we love the Orthodox. They love us. We are two lungs of the same church. They have a valid priesthood. They have a valid Eucharist. A valid meaning, we trace our succession back directly to the apostles. And so they have bona fide exorcists and bona fide rituals and bona fide success. Do you guys ever work with them on a specific exorcism? Absolutely. Yeah, one of my best friends is an Orthodox priest. I love him to death, love working with him. I have done so, always look forward to it. And yeah, we, we, he, I have,

I have nothing but the highest respect for him. So you said the church was overwhelmed by the number of exorcisms of humans. That's why you're brought in for spaces, which I have questions about that too. But I mean, how many exorcisms are actually happening each year in the U.S.? Oh, good. I couldn't begin to tell you. Um, lots. but I just want to correct one word you said that you said the Catholic Church is overwhelmed and I wouldn't say that that's true we're not overwhelmed there are many cases

they every every by the church's own law internal law which we call canon law every diocese must have an exorcist and and so that individual or maybe you know I mean they have to have at least one they could have 30

the point is that that those people that the priests assigned deputed to do exorcisms, they're the ones handling this spiritual need. And the thing, the one thing I want to dispel is, look, most people's notion of exorcism is that a priest comes in with some almost a magical write, a magical book, and he reads these prayers over the devil, and they kind of work a magic in the sense that he's clobbering the devil over the head. He may yell those prayers out at him. He may be forceful with great emotion. none of that is accurate. The job of the exorcist is not to cast out the devil.

The job of the exorcist is to find out why is the devil there? What rights has he obtained? You don't get the devil by sitting next to someone who has a devil on a bus. You don't get a devil by making too many peanut butter sandwiches. Right? So you get the devil by entering into a relationship, an agreement, a covenant with him. And the vast majority of such relationships, agreements, covenants are done without the individual even knowing. But you've committed some sin that has forged a relationship with him, and that's given him rights. And so my job, as an exorcist, is to find out what rights has the devil obtained? Once I discover those, then I need to work with the victim to rescind those rights. Because as long as the devil has those

rights, I don't have the right to kick him out. But once he's lost to them, once the victim himself herself has renounced them, now it's a different story. Now he's lost his rights and now he can be expelled. But until that happens, he can't. I don't have the right to kick him out. We've all heard plenty about what AI might do someday. For business owners, the more useful question is, what can it take off my plate right now? That's what caught my mind. That's what caught my attention about NetSuite next. AI is built into the tools your business already relies on. It can bring important information to your attention, handle routine work, and let you ask questions about your business the same way you'd ask a colleague. But figuring out how

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describe some of notable examples of things you've seen or whether they are a place being haunted or whether it's an individual who's requiring an exorcism. Just some examples for our audience. Sure. I mean, in a home, inanimate objects moving. You know, I set my car keys on the counter here, turn around, grab a drink out of the fridge. Now the car keys aren't next to me. They're on the other side of the room. there was a woman I had she got she spent all afternoon looking for her winter coat she knew it was in the house she thought she just misplaced it and she was the only one who lived in the home she so it was gone for an entire day she found it the next day stuffed into her freezer so so she didn't do that but just things like that and they're usually connected with with mind games with with a teasing so

it isn't just a kind of it isn't just a kind of playfulness or a tricksterness it is combined with a malice in order to get inside your head so so there'll be a kind of malicious teasing in an exorcism

in a room in inanimate objects flying I remember once I used holy water clandestinely so holy water in a hidden way as a diagnostic so I left a glass the water on a shelf. It was half full, but it was holy water. It would have drawn no one's attention. It would have just looked like I put my glass of drinking water on the shelf.

But as I was walking behind the alleged possessed, and that's all I knew at the time, this person had been sent to me because it was surmised that this person was demonically possessed. Of course, I didn't know that. The only thing I knew is that there was this claim. but on one of the trips as I was walking behind this individual, and I knew he wasn't looking at me, I have a glass of water here. So I just dipped my finger and I took, I took essentially one drop of water that was on my finger.

He was wearing a bulky sweater and I flinged it onto the sweater. He shot up out of the chair and looked backwards at me with turning his head upside out. This is the individual that had the elongated fangs or at least who appeared to have that. So at that point, what I established is the fact that there was a bona fide possession. How did I do that? Because on a human level, there is no way that this individual would have felt a drop of water on him. He had a bulky sweater on. So this water hit his person.

Didn't hit his flesh directly, but it didn't have to. The sweater is part of his person. And the holy water going on the sweater means the holy water itself is in relationship with him. And so the demon inside felt that and the demon reacted. So on a human level, there's no way this individual could know this. So I've established a preternatural knowledge present within this individual. That checks off the box. Look, this is beyond the level of nature.

We've entered into the realm of supernature. Let's move on with the exorcism. Now, how do you know if it's like a real demonic possession or psychosis or something else. Obviously, the example you just shared seems like it defies physics, which is probably a big clue. But I imagine, okay.

There are three classical signs, classical signs. They're not limited to these three, but this gives you a flavor. So all three of these demonstrate an ability beyond the realm of nature, a display of superhuman strength.

If a nine-year-old girl picks up a 250-pound man and throws them across the room, well, we've escaped the realm of nature. So something else has to account for this possibility other than the regular laws of nature because they've just been defied. The ability of the individual in question, the victim, to know foreign languages that he or she has never been taught. So not just knowing one or two words or a couple of sentences, but the ability to speak in those languages with

perfect fluency and perfect grammar. And then knowledge of the occult, knowledge of hidden and distant realities, such as, for example, what I've just demonstrated, the fact that the Holy Water went on this individual, well, that's a knowledge that there has just been Holy Water put on that individual. On a human level, he couldn't have felt it, so you have to revert to something else. but your question is a good one and I have a whole chapter in my book devoted to that because the diagnostic is always the most difficult part. The most difficult part of an exorcism is not casting out the devil.

It's finding out is he there and if he's there, what is his character and nature? What are the rights that he has obtained? And I'll go further than what your question posited. it is possible for someone to be mentally ill, to have a mental pathology, and to be demonically possessed at the same time. Right? So they're not mutually exclusive.

So this is how it makes it critical to distinguish. And so our job is to do that. So there are ways we'll do this. I'll share one standard method, right? One standard. So if I'm meeting with, an alleged victim. So I have no idea whether this person is possessed or not. Maybe there's not even full possession, but there's a partial possession or there's a severe obsession or oppression

going on. Well, I make the appointment with the individual say at 11 a.m. And I will have someone in an adjacent room hidden in some room in the building. And I will coordinate with that person at 1117, exactly, I want you to start praying against any and every evil spirit in this individual coming to meet with me. All right. So this, the person comes in, my visitor comes in, we sit down, we start chatting, we chat about innocuous things, right? Baseball, waffles, the weather, so forth, such that I'm watching the clock and I wait and I see at exactly 1117, is there. a change in the behavior of this individual in front of me? Am I seeing agitation? Am I seeing anger? Am I seeing an overt discomfort? And if there is there, because the devil is now receiving direct

prayers against him, and prayers are kryptonite against the devil. He doesn't like them. There's a toxic experience that occurs in the demon when that happens. Well, that gives me a lot of information. So I've just established knowledge of the hidden. So there's an obvious display at the precise time when I coordinated it. There's an obvious display of a changed behavior. Well, that gives us a tremendous amount of information. How often do you, I'm an idiot when it comes to exorcisms. I haven't ever researched this topic. Well, I'll tell you, don't ever get possessed. As tempting as it my scene. Never get present. I don't plan on that.

It's now stick to watching the movies. Stick to listening to my podcast. I'm not going to go back and watch The Exorcist again, though. I'm just going to go ahead and tell you. How often do you find, rough percentage, how often is it not a case of exorcism? It is a case of mental illness or somebody,

psychosis of some sort. How often do you find that? That's a really good question. So these are my own statistics, but they are corroborated with my colleagues. You know, the world of exorcism is very small, and we tend to know one another. In my experience, and that of my colleagues, 60% of the folks who come forward and say, look, I think I have a demon, 60% of them do not have a demon. So it might be mental illness. It might be. It might be some other illness. For example, once it was a tumor that was just behind the ear in a gentleman and it was affecting his afferent nervous system. And so there was,

there were physical sensations he was feeling on his back that felt like two hands pushing on him. So it's not mental illness, but there's an illness there. There's a logical medical cause causing that. It could be an emotional illness. So, and it could be just, you know, and I think we all know people like this. Somebody who has such an acute imagination. it's not that they have an illness, but their sense of imagination is so acute, so broad internally that they at times have a difficult time distinguishing between imagined reality and actual reality. Right.

So they never grew up from that phase of a kid, for example, where the imaginary playthings become real, such that, you know, for example, I think we've all known people that they imagine a conversation in their head. Two days later, they think that conversation actually took place. Yeah. So how do you avoid becoming possessed? You mentioned that certain sin patterns can enter you into a covenant that will put you in this situation. What are some of the top ways you see people catching this problem? Right. So the devil possesses because he's gained the right to. that the 99% of those who become possessed become so because they committed some serious sin.

Now that can take on a tremendous amount of different expressions. But in the Catholic Church, we distinguish, and this follows from the New Testament distinction, some sin is deadly, some is not deadly. So any violation of the Ten Commandments would be a deadly sin. it evicts grace outside of us from us so we're left again in the state of nature so so in the state of nature you know when we were conceived inside our mother's wounds all of us you know until our baptism we belong to the enemy that this is the this is the fallout from original sin back to baptism

is what reverses that so you gain christ within you gain christ as a savior the holy spirit's your sanctifier god's your father and that state remains which protects you. It makes you literally belong to God, which you didn't until you were baptized, right? All of us are God's creation, but only after baptism are we God's children. Well, any mortal sin, a violation of the Ten Command, an act of fornication, a blasphemy, that evicts grace from within you. And it makes the devil once again your Lord. He's your master. He has the right to possess just from that, right? One sin. So, and the two most common, in our experience that we see, by which possession becomes a reality, is dabbling in the occult and sexual sins.

Why dabbling in the occult? Well, it stems from two things. And they are, both of them are replications of the original rebellion of Satan. Right. So what did Satan do? The first thing he did he doubted God's goodness. I'm not going to obey him because I'm not, I'm not going to get what I want by doing so. That's why. Secondly, he usurped or attempted to usurp God's predetermined limits. So when we go to the O'Col, you go see a fortune teller. Hey, your sister died and you want to make contact with her again. So you go to a, you go to a sorcerer, a necromancer. Well, what you're doing, A, you've just doubted God's goodness that he's going to provide. for you, regardless of the death. Two, you've tried to usurp and bypass those limits that

he has naturally erected. Well, you've just imitated the rebellion of Satan. In imitating his rebellion, you are now ipso facto in relationship with him. So you've described how a person could become possessed, but you also said that you address like locations, homes and businesses that have some degree of possession. How would a home or business become possessed? Yeah, through evil activity done inside it, you know, in short, through sin being done there. So your property, your possessions are in a relationship with you. If you become in relationship with the enemy, then he's in relationship not just with you, but everything in relationship with you.

And this is why, for example, you know, sometimes when an adult, when a parent or say both parents, if they're into something dark, they, what, the, the surprising thing for them, it's not for us, for us, exorcists, but for them, the first people who will be attacked in the home is their children. Not them. The enemy doesn't want to disturb them. The enemy, the enemy wants them to keep doing what they're doing, because they're his disciples. But what will happen is, it starts with kids having nightmares repeatedly, repeatedly. As time progresses, they'll wake up with marks, bruises, cuts, sometimes teeth marks. And so the devil has gained a jurisdiction to be there and he is afflicting pain upon the innocent. And the parents may not catch until it becomes quite

dramatic that there is a demonic ministry happening within their house. And of course, they'll come to us. When I see that, when that is explained to me, look, my children are being attack. The first thing I do is, I don't want to talk to the children right now. I want to talk to you, Mom and Dad. You tell me what you're into. And I'll talk to them separately. So as to get to the truth. Because until you get to the truth, you're not able to get rid of the devil. Like I don't practice magic. I don't practice Catholic magic. I'm an agent of Jesus Christ. I'm a priest who when I'm working in this ministry. I'm a deputed exorcist, and I want to go in and be able to apply the grace of Christ. But to be able to do that, I need to know the picture. You've got to be honest with me,

because otherwise, I could go there and 10,000 times, and my work, my ministry, will do nothing. So I want to know what is the picture here? Tell me about your life. Tell me about where your life isn't right. And let me see if I can if I can find a correlation between between your life not being right in that area and this, the demonic stuff occurring. So really, exorcism really is. It's like a really intense form of confession in many ways. Intent form of confession. That's one way to look at it. The other way is it's very juridical. It's very legal. Demons are very, very legalistic. They gain rights, they live by rights, and they want to retain those rights. And so what you have to do is be an advocate for the victim and say, look, and the big part of

our work is explaining to them, look, this is why this is happening. And you're showing how logical it is for them and how there was a cause and effect between something the victim did and the state that he finds himself in. People are getting ready to trick or treat. We want to have some Halloween questions here. Look, there's different perspectives from different sects of Christianity about this holiday. From the official exorcist perspective, what do you think about Halloween? Well, I mean, I'm not an official spokesman for Exorcist, but I can certainly give you an opinion. So look, Halloween today has a different meaning than it had at its beginning. So at the beginning, it was a mockery of All Saints Day, and that's what Halloween means.

All Hallows Eve, the Eve before All Hallows, or All Saints Day. The word hallow just means holy or saint. And that's in our Father, we say, hallowed be thy name. Holy be your name. So at the beginning, it was a reaction against Christian. Christianity and Christianity's celebration of those brothers and sisters who have merited a place in heaven. But the meaning has changed. So over time, it's become an occasion, an opportunity, especially for children to dress up and go trick-or-treating.

And so it's become a kind of a social custom. Now, so do I think parents should let their kids go out trick-or-treating? I think it would be fine in the vast majority of the instances, provided that the costumes they wear do not celebrate sin, darkness, death. So provided that the macabre and the evil are separated, because that would be a celebration of darkness. But to dress up as a cowboy, dress up as a princess, there's nothing wrong with that.

Have you seen correlation of the need for more, exorcisms in the month of October or November? I mean, is there any correlation with this holiday and, you know, a resurgence or a surge in demonic activity? Honestly, no. I've never seen a surgence with regard to this. There's a there's a surge in just diabolical activity in the sense that people doing evil things, people, covens, sects. This is a big heart. This is a big, holiday for them, but it doesn't mean that there's an increase in the number of possessions. There might be an increase in activity, but that doesn't necessarily equate to possessions per se. Fascinating.

Father Martens, thank you so much for coming on. We'd love to talk to you a lot longer. We have more and more questions. Maybe we'll do a follow-up. Thanks so much for coming on. You're welcome. Thank you. God bless you.

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