Morning Wire - Trump-Putin Phone Call & COVID Lab Leak Coverup | 3.18.25

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

Putin and Trump get set for a phone call about the war, Trump-chartered deportation flights continue despite legal roadblocks, and the UK and Germany cover up early intel on the origins of COVID-19. Get the facts first with Morning Wire. DeleteMe: Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan by texting WIRE to 64000. Old Glory Bank: Go to https://oldglorybank.com/wire today to open your account and put your money in the hands of people you can ACTUALLY trust. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Trump and Putin are set today to discuss peace and dividing up assets with Ukraine. As both President Putin and Zelensky said on our first call, just a few weeks ago, only President Trump could drive this to an end. What can we expect from the high-stakes call between the two leaders? I'm Georgia Howe with Daily Wire, Editor-in-Chief John Bickley. It's Tuesday, March 18, and this is Morning Wire. Trump pushes ahead with deporting violent gang members. despite legal efforts to bring them back to the U.S.

These are heinous monsters, rapists, murderers, kidnappers, sexual assaulters, predators who have no right to be in this country and they must be held accountable. And new reports show both the UK and Germany had intel that the COVID virus was created in a lab but chose to suppress it. This is one of the most significant coverups. I mean, it's hard to find a bigger one. Thanks for waking up with Morning Wire. Stay tuned. We have the news you need to know. Delete me makes it easy, quick, and safe to remove your personal data online at a time when surveillance and data breaches are common enough to make everyone vulnerable. That's why I personally recommend Delete Me. Take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for Delete Me. Now at a special discount for our listeners.

Today, I get 20% off your Delete Me plan by texting Wire to 64,000. Again, the only way to get 20% off is to text Wire to 64,000. That's Wire to 64,000. Message and data rates may apply. President Trump will hold what could be a pivotal phone call with Russia's Vladimir, Putin today as the two sides move closer to a ceasefire in Ukraine. Daily Wire, senior editor Cabot Phillips is here with the latest on what to expect. So Cabot, this really could be the end of the war.

What are we expecting them to talk about? So today's conversation will likely center on a potential ceasefire. At the moment, it seems that Putin will only agree to a ceasefire if he has assurances that the U.S. would pause new weapons shipments to Ukraine in the meantime and that Ukraine would not be allowed to mobilize new forces during that 30-day period. But there are plenty of folks, including Vladimir Zelensky, who say Putin is exaggerating his openness to a ceasefire. Now, where does Zelensky stand? So over the weekend, he told reporters that, quote, the Russians say we support a ceasefire, but, and then after the but, they start coming with various details to delay the process.

He says Putin is well aware that Western support for Ukraine is starting to dwindle, and he wants to drag out the ceasefire process to allow his side to gain as much territory as possible ahead of negotiations. that, you know, he'll have more leverage. And to that point, Moscow has recently launched a counteroffensive in the Kursk region, territory in Russia that had fallen into Ukrainian hands last summer after a surprise incursion. Putin says thousands of Ukrainian troops there are currently surrounded. He called on them to, quote, lay down their arms and surrender in exchange for their lives. So the longer a ceasefire is delayed, the more time Putin will have to close in on those troops and the more leverage that he would likely have once talks begin. For that reason, among others, Zelenskir, is calling on Trump to exert pressure on Moscow to accept a ceasefire now.

Over the weekend, he issued a plea for, quote, maximum additional sanctions on Russia if they continue to stall. For his part, Trump said, quote, we can do that, but I hope it's not necessary. Speaking from the Kennedy Center, President Trump addressed his looming call with Vladimir Putin. We're getting down to a very critical stage, and we want to get the whole Russia-Ukraine thing done. And I think Ukraine wants it. I know they want it. Everybody wants it. It's tremendous death. The bloodshed is unbelievable. Now, assuming Putin does agree to a ceasefire today, and that's a big if, what is he going to be

looking for during the formal peace talks? Well, the biggest debate will be over territorial concessions. At this point, it's pretty clear that Ukraine will need to cede land to the Russians in order for this war to end. The question is really just how much? Putin has shown a clear willingness to continually throw young and old Russians into the front lines. and is unlikely to end the war if it means coming back empty-handed. Specifically, he wants to formally retain control of Crimea, as well as the Donbass region in eastern Ukraine. For his part, Zelensky had insisted that he would never seed land to Putin.

This week, he said, quote, we do not recognize the occupied territories as territories of Russia, and we will never recognize them. But at this stage, it's all but guaranteed that he'll have to agree to some land being lost in order to end the war. As the Trump White House sees it, the cost of retaking that land is just too high, even if it is unfair. Here's Trump National Security Advisor Mike Walts

speaking to CBS about that difficult reality. We have to ask ourselves, is it in our national interest? Is it realistic? Are we going to drive every Russian off of every inch of Ukrainian soil, including Crimea? We can talk about what's right and wrong,

and we also have to talk about the reality of the situation on the ground. The other big points of contention surround peacekeeping forces in Ukraine following a potential agreement. Putin has said from day one that he will never agree to a deal that includes NATO membership for Ukraine. And to this point, most of Europe and the U.S. seem to agree that they will not be given member status. So that makes it likely that Ukraine will push for European peacekeepers within their borders after the war. European leaders have already agreed to

send boots on the ground. Now the question becomes if Putin will sign off on a deal that includes such a security guarantee. Hopefully we'll get some more answers later today. Well, there's a lot riding on this call. Hopefully we see some progress. Cabot, thanks for reporting. Anytime. America is back, and it's time to stand with a bank that shares your values. Old Glory Bank.

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The administration is moving forward with deportation of over 250 individuals despite legal moves from the ACLU. Here to discuss the situation is Daily Wire Senior Editor, Ash Short. So, Ash, can you first clarify the timeline and why these deportations became so controversial? Sure. On Friday night, President Trump signed an executive order invoking the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, which allowed suspected gang members in the country illegally to be deported without a judicial hearing. The signing wasn't promoted, but the media

caught wind of it on Saturday morning. The left-wing ACLU then jumped in and filed a court order trying to stop the deportations. By Saturday afternoon, however, the planes were already in the air. By the time Judge James Bosberg's order was issued, the flight was already outside U.S. airspace. That's according to a senior administration official speaking to Axios. Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, dismissed the ruling saying he and Trump will not stop until America is safe. We're not stopping. I don't care what the judges think.

I don't care of the left things. We're coming. Okay, so these individuals believed to be a part of Trendy, Aragua, are now in El Salvador. Does this order mean that they now have to be brought back to the U.S.? That's the legal battle that's now taking shape. The Trump DOJ filed a response in. court saying, quote, plaintiffs cannot use these proceedings to interfere with the president's national security and foreign affairs authority. They also asked to vacate the hearing and stop interfering

with the executive branch. The other legal issue here is the use of the Alien Enemies Act and whether it gives the president the authority to deport illegal immigrants without a judicial hearing. But the White House welcomes the fight. In fact, press secretary Caroline Levitt addressed the topic and her press briefing on Monday. This administration acted within the confines of the law, again, within the president's constitutional authority and under the authority granted to him under the Alien Enemy's Act. We are quite confident in that, and we are wholly confident that we are going to win this case in court. Now, this is just one battle in a much larger war over what to do with the illegal immigrants that are currently in the U.S. Where else is this playing out? Well, ever since Trump was inaugurated,

Democrats have fought tooth and nail to keep illegal immigrants, even those convicted of violent crimes from being deported. California set up a legal slush fund to fight deportations and other sanctuary cities have said they would openly defy administration orders. And just recently, emails were leaked showing Minneapolis area lawyers actively working to keep ICE from apprehending illegal immigrants. Minneapolis is one of many sanctuary cities that said it wouldn't comply with ICE. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, a Democrat, issued a formal legal opinion after emails were sent from a leftist legal organization, saying that state law, quote, prohibits state and local law enforcement agencies from holding someone based on an immigration detainer if the person would otherwise be released from custody. But in general, the Trump administration has made some significant headway on immigration. What to the recent numbers show? Absolutely. In the first 50 days of the Trump administration,

and ICE made more than 32,000 enforcement arrests, just a hair shy of the total number of arrests made in all of fiscal year 2024. Nearly half of those arrested were convicted criminals, and about a third had pending criminal charges, meaning 75% of those arrested were accused or convicted criminals. Illegal border crossings also fell by 94% in February compared to the previous year, and illegal encounters at the Del Rio sector declined by 99% since 2023. In fact, Trump has been so successful with illegal immigration in his first two months of office that concerns about the issue have dropped from a top priority to a fourth priority for a majority of voters. Well, it was a major campaign promise.

Ash, thanks for reporting. You're welcome. We learned this week that the former head of the UK's foreign intelligence agency told the British Prime Minister in early 2020 that the COVID virus escaped from the infamous Wuhan lab. joining us now to discuss this independent journalist and author Michael Schellenberger. Hey Michael, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. So let's start with what we found out from the UK related to the origins of the coronavirus.

What did we just learn and how does this change the way we think about how the UK in particular handled this situation? Sure. I mean, what just got released was a memo sent from the former head of MI6, which is the UK's version of the CIA. and it was sent with a very well-known and respected professor from London School of Economics in early 2020 that essentially debunked this nature article called Proximal Origin, which claimed to have debunked that the virus came from a lab. We had done earlier reporting on this way back in 2023, showing that there was higher-ups to use the language of the key authors.

Christian Anderson, who had basically changed the direction that they were going in their research. And so we already knew that this proximal origin paper was manipulated. Well, now we have this British memo, again from the former head of MI6, saying that the Chinese government is engaged in an information and influence operation to deflect responsibility. The memo says, beyond a reasonable doubt, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, retro-engineered a bat virus in January 2020. We surmised that this was done to align with COVID-19 to sustain the natural causation narrative. So, you know, the implications of this conspiracy, I think it's the correct word in this case, are pretty significant because it would suggest that you now have the U.S., UK, Chinese,

and German governments who all knew that the virus escaped from the lab, arguably, as early as January. And we had reported that the U.S. intelligence community had known, in fact, the names of the first three people to be infected by the COVID virus, and that didn't come out. So, I mean, this is significant both because it obviously implicates a number of senior American officials, including Anthony Fauci, but it may have meant that our response to the virus may have been different had we known that it come from a lab. Yeah. And it's worth noting that just a few days before the British announcement, two major newspapers in Germany revealed that the German Foreign Intelligence Service, their version of the CIA, had also believed that there was an aid-to-90% chance

that the coronavirus had leaked from a Chinese lab. Now you mentioned Fauci. Trump has just made the statements declaring that Biden's preemptive pardons for Anthony Fauci and others are invalid. His argument is that all of these pardons were signed by an auto pen, and thus Biden did not actively sign them and allegedly was not even fully aware what was being enacted in his name. Trump's going to try to make that case. We'll see if that holds up. But related to this topic, a lot of people are looking for some sort of accountability,

particularly from Fauci. What do you see coming on that front? What investigations are ongoing with congressional members? Where can we look for potential accountability? Yeah, I mean, first I should say, I don't know that I'm comfortable with this idea that you would revoke pardons. I just think that opens up a whole Pandora's box that I don't think we want to do. And I appreciate the desire people have to get some revenge on Fauci.

He certainly appears to have done wrong in many ways. But the most important thing is just to get the truth out. And whatever it takes to do that, I think is important. And so I don't know what's possible legally. But, I mean, we still don't have all the documents. I mean, we reported on a bunch of the documents. But there's just got to be a lot more there. There's probably more from various agencies, including the intelligence,

community. But I think the priorities should be on getting the truth out, not on prosecuting or incarcerating people that lied. Well, we've seen so far, this administration seems like it's pretty committed to transparency. Let's hope that holds up and we get some more transparency on this issue. Thank you so much for talking with us. Thanks for having me. Thanks for waking up with us. We'll be back later this afternoon with more news you need to know.