Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing - 1 Question For Your Stocks
Episode Date: September 9, 2022As profitable companies like Alphabet talk about steeling themselves for the immediate future, investors may want to ask: "How prepared are the companies in my portfolio are for the next 12-15 months?..." (0:30) Jason Moser and Emily Flippen discuss: - DocuSign's latest results, and using the company as a lens for looking at other businesses - Good news (finally!) for Asana shareholders - Rough weeks for UiPath and Bilibili - RH taking a "Tiffany-like" approach to their business (19:45) Emily and Jason dip into the Fool Mailbag to talk about blue chip stocks, as well as: - Stocks they've been buying over the past year - Acquisitions they'd like to see - Uber's upcoming robot delivery tests in Texas and California - 2 stocks on their radar: Casey's General Stores and McCormick Stocks discussed on the show: DOCU, GOOG, GOOGL, PYPL, ASAN, PATH, BILI, RH, MMM, SBUX, HD, TWLO, NET, OM, FTNT, CRWD, UA, UAA, LULU, NKE, ZM, UBER, CASY, MKC Host: Chris Hill Guests: Jason Moser, Emily Flippen Engineer: Dan Boyd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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From Fool Global Headquarters, this is Motley Fool Money.
It's the Motley Fool Money radio show. I'm Chris Hill. Joining me in studio,
senior analysts Emily Flippen and Jason Moser. Good to see you both.
Hey, Chris.
We got the latest headlines from Wall Street. We'll answer your questions by dipping into the
full mailbag. And as always, we've got a couple of stocks on our radar. But we begin with
one company's earnings report as a way to look at stocks in general. The company in
question is DocuSign, the electronic signature company. At the open on Friday, shares popped
nearly 20% after second quarter results came in higher than expected. DocuSign's management
also maintained their guidance for the rest of the fiscal year. The stock dropped down
from that early enthusiasm, Jason. Before we widen our gaze to look at stocks in general,
what did you think about DocuSign's results? Chris, if I had put a bet on this
the day before, I would have bet we probably would have seen the stock in the red because
management had guided down in this report. Pleasantly surprised, at least from that perspective.
But it does feel like it was a mixed bag for the most part. This is a business in a state
of flux, and there's a lot of uncertainty right now as to what the future holds. It's
encouraging that they maintain full-year guidance with revenue and billings. Given the state
of enterprise software today, it felt like they could have found themselves in a little
bit more trouble than we're seeing. Look at some of the pros. Revenue grew 22%. Billings
up 9%. Not terribly inspiring, but it exceeded internal guidance. Held gross margin steady
compared to a year ago. Added 44,000 new customers during the quarter. Again, that was a 22%
increase. That brings their total global paying customer account to $1.28 million. Of that
customer account, you look at the large customers, that's the customers that are generating greater
than $300,000 in annualized contract value for the company, that figure continues to
grow as well, up to $992 million versus $852 million at year-end. International continues
to grow, taking up a little bit more of the business. The balance sheet remains in good
shape. They've got greater than $1 billion in cash and equivalents, and they're not burning
through that cash. But there are some cons that come along with this. First and foremost,
this is still a ship without a captain. We know Dan Springer stepped down just several
months ago. The CEO search is still underway, but they feel like they're close to a decision there,
so that's good. They need to make sure they get the right person in for this job.
The net dollar retention rate, 110%, that really stood out. That's low. It's as low as it's been
a long time. Remember, that metric compares the annual recurring revenue for active subscription
contracts between two period end dates. Now, to be fair, they pulled forward a lot of growth
over the last couple of years. If you go back to 2019, in the same quarter, that number
was 113%. It's not terribly out of whack with that, but certainly down from the recent highs
that we've seen. It was an encouraging quarter, but not one where you feel like,
like, oh, these guys have turned a corner. Well, and Emily, this is a story we could
tell about any number of stocks out there in the sense that we're seeing this pop in
the stock today. Shares of DocuSign, year-to-date, still down 60%.
Yes, and I had a full roast prepared for DocuSign today on the fact that the market was up 20%
on this quarter. My opinions have been tempered a bit by the fact that the market has come
down. I think DocuSign stock at the time of taping is up around 8% now, so a lot more
reasonable. But to your point, if there is a narrative for what we're seeing across companies
this quarter, I would say that guidance is really driving stock results. I think what we saw was a
knee-jerk reaction to the fact that DocuSign did not, in fact, lower full-year guidance when maybe
the market expected more of the worst, which caused that short-lived enthusiasm. But it is
interesting because the narrative that we heard from DocuSign's management this quarter was that
they're interested in cost-cutting. That's where they're headed. Even though they grew
the employee base 22%, let's overlook that for the quarter. Management said, until we get that
full-time CEO in, we're taking a measured approach to hiring, reassessing our expense base. And this
is very much the same narrative we've heard from many companies this past earnings season.
They've either lowered guidance right for the end of the year, or they've said, look,
we're cutting costs because we're not expecting much from the back half of 2022.
to. This is where I want to broaden things,
because to that point, Jason, we've heard that narrative from some of the biggest and
most profitable companies in the public markets. I'm thinking primarily of Alphabet, where
the CEO has been talking for weeks now about how we have to get more efficient. Not really
talking about layoffs, but throwing out the possibility that they could be reducing headcount
at some point. And keep in mind, as big as Alphabet is, last quarter, they still grew
revenue 13%. They're huge, they're profitable. And if a company like that is talking about
we need to get more efficient, I'm wondering if we as investors need to start looking at
every company in our portfolio and every company on our watch list through the lens of, what
do I think this company is going to be doing in the next 15 months? Not the stock. In terms
of the business itself, what are they going to be doing so that in early 2024, what kind
of shape are they in? Yeah, a lot to unpack there. I feel
like a lot of that really does center around leadership. If you can have consistent leadership
with a consistent vision, then I think you have a little bit more of a reliable strategy
it does beg the question, why wouldn't all of these businesses always place such a priority
on efficiency? Really, that makes the most sense. But it's also understandable that in good times
when everything is going up and everybody is so focused on growth, sometimes that can translate
into growth at any cost. You're seeing a lot of businesses that are paying the price for that now.
DocuSign is no exception here. I feel like you see their headcount up 22%, 23% from a year ago.
To me, this is a business that feels very bloated. It just doesn't feel like it needs
a workforce of 8,000 people, given what they do. But here we are. Perhaps that is just
a result of Dan Springer's actions leading up to this point. It reminds me a little bit
of PayPal. I think back to what PayPal went through over these last couple of years. What
we saw with Dan Schulman, it's almost like taking your success for granted a little bit
and feeling like maybe you bought into your own hype, feeling like all of the success
is really due to these actions of pursuing growth at any cost, without really fully acknowledging
that the tide is rising and pretty much lifting every boat. To me, it is something I think
worth paying attention to always, is looking at leadership, looking at the expenses that
are involved with a business. We have a lot of these businesses today that we follow that
have yet to get to that path to profitability. They're still on that path to profitability.
For businesses that ultimately need to get there at some point, you want to have a clear
vision of how they're going to get there. For DocuSign and for a lot of these businesses,
I'm not talking about Alphabet here, but for a lot of these businesses that are still working
their way to it, you just make that assumption that they'll get there eventually. I think
for investors, it's a good reminder to really, in your mind, when you start working out your
thesis for investing in some of these businesses, try to chart out how you feel like they're going
to get there. And don't just chart it out based on what management is telling you on the call,
because that may not be the same manager team that you're dealing with a year from now.
You know, I didn't get my little rant on DocuSign, so let me have a little rant on efficiency here,
if you'll hear me out. And that is, I think efficiency is something that's built into the
fabric of companies. And when the economy starts to get worse, you'll hear a lot of very inefficient
businesses suddenly start talking about efficiency. Their definition of efficiency is oftentimes
reducing headcount, cutting unnecessary expenses. But in my opinion, these things aren't efficient.
If I could use a metaphor here, over the past couple of years, a number of us may have put on
a couple LBs, myself included. That's like going out and saying, okay, well, look, for the next
month, I'm going to exercise, I'm going to eat right, I'm going to lose this extra weight.
That's great, but the problem is I'm not solving the underlying issue, which is the fact that I
probably work a desk job, don't exercise enough, eat fast food too much, whatever it is. And in
five years, I'm going to find that those LBs came back very quickly. And so we have companies that
are talking about making short-term changes to generate, quote, efficiency. But I'd be willing
to bet when you're looking out towards 2024 and 2025, you're going to have businesses that are
once again still bloated and inefficient. So we need to make sure that companies are making
systematic changes for the reason that they were inefficient in the first place and not just cutting
costs for the sake of generating short-term profits.
Well, and we were talking earlier today about Alphabet and how, obviously, it's a massive
company, all these different divisions, but it's almost like they've compartmentalized
their inefficiency in the moonshot division. They basically set up a division to say,
hey, look, this thing's going to lose money over here. All these other parts, we want
to try and be as efficient as possible, get on the path to profitability. We're going
to take our moonshots. We're just going to put them over there. Last thing on DocuSign, Jason,
how attractive is this job? We've talked about different CEO positions being open in the past,
and some are more attractive than others. Is this an opportunity where the board of directors
might get their first draft pick? Or is this a job that if you're an executive at another company
and the board comes knocking and saying, hey, would you be interested in this?
You've probably got some questions. I feel like it's an attractive job
for a CEO. The main reason why I believe that is because, ultimately, at the end of the day,
they have a good product. They offer good services. It's not like this is a broken business
from the perspective of they don't have something that customers want, because they continue to grow
that customer base, and they continue to iterate and bring more to their overall offering. This
agreement cloud that they continue to refer to, they're building product integrations with networks
like Slack and Stripe. The DocuSign Notary, which has introduced support now for two additional
stays now that's in 25 stays. How annoying is it to have to actually go physically get something
notarized if now you can do that? I feel like it's a business that has a lot to offer. Consumers
like it. If you've used it, you know it's slick, it's easy, it's convenient. But it is a business
that has lost its way over the last couple of years, and I think took some of its success for
granted. So, from that perspective, hey, listen, I would have sent my resume and I don't think
I'd have a chance, but who knows? After the break, we've got the latest
from retail, software, and a lot more. So, stay right here. You're listening to Motley
Fool Money. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill here in studio with Emily Flippen
and Jason Moser. Let's get to some more earnings. Some good news for Asana shareholders. Shares
of the communications software company up 30% this week after second quarter results
were better than expected and guidance for the third quarter was higher as well, which
is good, Emily, because it has been a rough year for Asana.
Asana is an unprofitable business, not cash-generating, and they have seen a massive
contraction in valuation since their highs at the end of 2021. If you're looking at the
past year, it does not look good. But if you look at this quarter alone, it is still extremely
stellar for Asana. Asana shareholders, I think, should take refuge in what a strong quarter this
was. I had mentioned at the top of the show that stock movement as a result of earnings is being
driven by guidance, it seems. This is very much an example of that. Not only did they beat on the top
and bottom lines in the quarter, but they also raised guidance for the year. That's very unusually
positive in an otherwise challenging macro environment. Their revenue rose 51%. That was
6% over their prior expectations. As Jason had mentioned with DocuSign, a lot of this
growth was being driven by their highest value customers. In Asana's case, those customers
spending more than $100,000 a year on their platform. Those are driving massive results
and it's showing up in things like their dollar-based net retention rate, which has been continuously
stellar. It's a great quarter, but shareholders and investors should remember that, as I mentioned,
is a very unprofitable business. Their CEO and founder, Dustin Moskovitz, I'm probably
mispronouncing that, but he bought 16 million more shares at an investment of $350 million
in part to help increase the company's cash balances. Management believes this will provide
sufficient funding until Asana can generate that free cash flow, which they're currently
targeting for calendar year 2024. But that does give you an example of the type of position
that Asana is going to be in over the next couple of years.
communication software to robotic process automation software. UiPath's second quarter
results got overshadowed by its guidance. Management lowered guidance for both the third
quarter and the full fiscal year, and shares of UiPath hit a 52-week low this week, Jason.
Yeah, it's been a tough 12 months for this business. This is another example of the market
serving as a forward-looking mechanism. The quarter was in line, but clearly the near-term
picture is a bit more cloudy. Management noted on the call, they said, in the short-term,
we're strategically repositioning the company to increase velocity, efficiency,
and customer centricity. I think we can all get behind doing that, but really, isn't that what
you should have been doing from the beginning? We could argue about that, I guess, all day long.
Ultimately, ratcheting guidance down a little bit, if you look at the numbers,
They are forecasting third quarter revenue at the midpoint $244 million. Analysts, I
think the forecast was around $270 million. You can see how that then plays out on full
year guidance. You've got a business here that is immensely unprofitable, does not generate
free cash flow. It's really all based on years down the road and ultimately how they get
to that path of profitability. Even after the sell-off, the stock is still valued at
around seven to eight times sales, which that's not cheap. But there are some signs that the
business is doing well. They're doing what their customers want, or they're doing something their
customers like. If you look at the end of the quarter, customers accounting for at least $100,000
in annualized recurring revenue grew more than 30% from a year ago. And the customer generating
over $1 million grew over 60%. So again, I think this is just a matter of a business with a good
idea seems to provide a good offering that customers are signing up for, stuck in a very
difficult time during the market. Anytime you see that guidance pulled back, the market's
going to react the way it has. Dollar-based net retention rate 132% is obviously a positive
as well. They remain committed to the goal of achieving non-GAAP profitability and positive
adjusted free cash flow in fiscal year 2024. Now, there's a lot of adjusteds and non-GAAPs
But hey, baby steps, right, Chris? Baby steps. Rough second quarter
results for Bilibili. The YouTube of China has 300 million monthly active users, but revenue
growth is slowing and shares of Bilibili down 20% this week, Emily.
We talked a lot about how the macroeconomic situation at home impacts businesses that
we're invested in, and it can be easy to forget that the same thing is true for businesses outside
the U.S. as well. In this case, Bilibili has been negatively affected by the lockdowns in areas like
Shanghai as advertising, as you mentioned, slowed down really notably in the quarter.
Advertising revenue only grew 10% year-over-year. To represent just what a significant deceleration
this is, this time last year, that revenue growth from ads grew more than 200%. A lot of this is the
macroeconomic situation in China. The good thing is that engagement on Bilibili's platform is still
extremely strong. The fundamentals are intact. But unlike a lot of the companies we talked about
that are apparently looking towards 2024 to generate cash flows.
Bilibili is still very far off from that goal.
Shares of RH up a bit this week.
The retailer formerly known as Restoration Hardware had second quarter results that were better than expected.
But Jason, I'm a little surprised because these were low expectations going in.
And RH said that revenue for the current quarter is going to fall more than 15%.
I'm not hating on them.
I'm just not sure why shares of RH are up a bit this week.
It is a bit of a confounding business. If you look at the results, they weren't
anything to write home about. Revenue of $992 million. It's essentially flat with a year ago.
They did expand gross margin 350 basis points. Adjusted earnings down 5%. They spent better than
$2 billion on share repurchases over the last five years. Their share count is up. There are a lot of
of things that make me question why the market is receiving this stock so positively. But
I think perhaps one reason is management's commitment to the brand. This is a very Tiffany-like
story in that you see in the furniture world, there is discounting occurring everywhere.
RH is simply not taking that approach. They're taking more of a Tiffany-like approach in
avoiding promotion completely. And they acknowledge that is going to contribute to some near-term
pressure because they're not going to chase that revenue. But they firmly believe in the
brand and the product that they offer. They believe this is the right strategy to go ahead
and not promote and go ahead and suck it up for now, feeling that maybe as times get better,
things will get better for the business. If you look at the way the business has performed
over the last five years, we're talking about the share repurchases, the margin picture
has been tremendous. Gross margin up from 34.7% five years ago to better than 51% trailing
12 months. Net margin up from basically 0% to 17% trailing 12 months for a furniture
maker. That is actually really impressive. If they can continue to pursue that Tiffany-like
strategy, then yeah, maybe it does pay off in the long term. But it is worth noting that
a lot of the stock's performance here really occurred over the past year and a half or
so. It's really come back to earth lately. Potential acquisitions and stocks
for the downturn are just two of the questions we'll hit in The Fool mailbag this week. Answers
after the break. So stay right here. This is Motley Fool Money. Welcome back to Motley Fool
Money. Chris Hill here with Emily Flippen and Jason Moser. Our email address is podcasts
at fool.com. Drop us a note, would you? Like Mike in Ohio who writes, first, thanks for all you do
and the encouragement you provide during bull and bear markets. Right now, I feel like Mother
Abbas and keep asking myself, how do you solve a problem like 3M? There was a time when people
said GE is a solid diversified business and will never falter. Is 3M in that same boat now
and looking at the same destination? Should I buy, sell, or hold? Thank you, Mike, for the question
and the kind words and for the reference to the sound of music. What do you think, Emily? Because
He's absolutely right. For a long stretch of time, people looking at, oh, I need the
ballast for my portfolio, I need that solid blue chip, they would go to GE, they would
go to 3M. And it certainly hasn't worked out lately for GE. And 3M has stumbled as well.
Well, I'm a jaded former GE employee. So, my first instinct when I saw this question
was, well, of course, it's not the same. But actually, the deeper I got into it, the more
I thought, well, actually, this is a really, really deep and insightful question. For context,
GE was, as many investors know, a highly diversified and profitable business. They
had more than a century of leadership in the Dow Jones Index before being dropped in 2018.
It wasn't because the business became obsolete, better technology came along, and it wasn't
because the business was a complete fraud, although there were certain question marks
about their accounting. But it's rather because I think the organization just became so large
and disjointed that it was impossible to effectively manage. So the question really is,
is 3M so large and disjointed that it cannot be effectively managed now? And I'm stealing some of
these thoughts from Bill Gates' thoughts regarding GE. And Bill Gates kind of boiled down a lot of
GE's failure to two things, one of which is chasing earnings, trying to get those quarterly
numbers, which allowed tiny problems to fester until they became too large to fix, as well as
lots of specific niches being run by generalists who didn't understand the fundamental business.
And when you look at that in comparison to 3M, while 3M does not have the same track record GE
once had of constantly meeting or beating expectations, although the past year has
been good for them, I do think it's worth noting that their business is increasingly diversified
and not necessarily in a great way. Their decision to spin off, I believe, their healthcare segment,
as well as their food services business, is reminiscent of the decisions that GE started
to make whenever they became a little too large to handle. Right now, I don't see any financial
reasons why I think 3M investors should be concerned. If you're holding 3M for dividend
payments, personally, I wouldn't be overly worried that a fallout like GE is imminent.
But it is something that after reading this question, I am certainly keeping my ears tuned
more closely for in case sales start to fall and management starts to make excuses.
A question from Shannon in New Hampshire, who writes,
has the downturn in the market over the past year changed the types of stocks that you've
bought during that time? If so, what types of stocks have you been buying? I don't know about
you, Jason, but the answer for me to that first question is, yes, it has changed the types of
stocks I've been buying. I will say the types of stocks I've
been buying, I don't think this downturn has necessarily changed it fully. I think perhaps
it's accelerated it a little bit. My purchasing behavior has changed just a little bit as
I get a little bit older. I focus more on bringing some income-related ideas into my
retirement portfolio. I've seen the opportunities to add more to companies like McCormick and
Starbucks and Home Depot positions as I continue to build out those income-generating ideas.
But I absolutely am still investing in growth where I see the opportunities. I've been very
upfront about adding to positions in companies like Twilio and Cloudflare and Outset Medical,
for example. So, yeah, an interesting way to look at it. I think that's a great question
because when you run into times like these, they can be psychologically damaging if you're
not paying attention. It kind of goes back to that loss aversion. We feel the pain of
those losses more than we feel the joy of those wins. It really does make you sit back
and think, OK, what am I doing wrong? Am I doing something wrong? Am I focused on the
wrong ideas and my focus and my strategy somehow out of whack there. This period of time has
certainly resulted in a lot of opportunities on the growth side, too. We've seen a lot
of growth pull back in a material way. But the big question is, were the valuations those
growth companies garnering a year ago, were they really warranted? We were talking a lot
about 20X, 30X sales being the new normal. We were saying that tongue-in-cheek, it's
not normal. I think we're seeing that play out now.
Yeah, it's made me rethink it a little bit, but I think more so, it's just accelerated
my move towards thinking a little bit more later in life.
To go back to the conversation we had at the start of the show, for me, it's accelerated
my move towards, companies that I'm confident are going to be here in 2024.
I think that's a great way to put it. I even look further out, I think about
companies that I feel like are going to be here in 2030. I feel pretty confident that
Starbucks and McCormick and Home Depot are still going to be here in 2030, they're still
going to be paying dividends. And I feel very confident in holding those companies for the
long haul. Maybe some of those growth companies, the question's a little bit more pronounced,
but I think that's where you really have to try to delineate a little bit more those companies
that are still trying to get that path to profitability.
And just to be more specific, not just that they're going to be here in 2024,
that they're going to be in good shape. They're not going to just stagger over the finish line
and be in terrible shape. Question from Sean Williams who writes,
Fortinet was a previous Motley Fool recommendation, and I'm wondering if this is still a stock
that the team likes. It's about 30% off its highs and looking interesting now. Unless
there's something I missed that would lead you to stay away, is the thesis still intact
with this one? Emily, for those unfamiliar, Fortinet is in the business of network security
Solutions was recommended in our Stock Advisor service five years ago. He's right, it's down
about 30% off its highs, but over the last five years, it's up more than 550%.
Yeah, I actually think that Fortinet is probably underappreciated and underfollowed. I say
that mainly to myself, because I also work on Stock Advisor. The last time we made Fortinet
a timely opportunity in Stock Advisor was back in May. It's been a while since I think
we've put that in front of investors' eyes. And it has not been for good reason. Fortinet
is actually performing extremely well. We'll spend a lot of time talking about the cybersecurity
space, CrowdStrike in particular. And I do believe that I think CrowdStrike is differentiating
itself as a long-term leader. But a rising tide can lift all boats, and Fortinet is certainly
expanding its grasp, especially in the hardware aspects, firewalls, that sort of thing. So
I've been dismissive, I think, of the power of protecting hardware infrastructures. And as data
centers continue to be upgraded, the need for firewalls and thus Fortinet increases as well.
While the stock has sold off a bit, I think, after its most recent quarter,
I think it came with very little reason. The stock looks expensive on its bottom line at 65 times
earnings. But the fact that there isn't earnings, I think, is very representative of how strong this
company is. They're hugely cash generating, growing tremendously, more than 30% in an
otherwise challenging market environment. So, probably an underappreciated long-term winner.
Do they need to change their name? Because for me, and this is my bias, but when it comes to
security, I want your name to evoke security. Fortinet just makes me instantly question,
what is this business? I want a security business to have a security name.
It's so funny, because I hear Fort and I hear Net. I know exactly what they do. You know what
confuses me, CrowdStrike. What are you doing with a crowd that you're striking? That's
confusing to me. Maybe the crowd is getting a little
unruly and they need to get back in line. Last question from Ann in Wisconsin who writes,
you said on a recent show that you expect more acquisitions to be made in the next six
to 12 months. Is there an acquisition in particular that you would like to see? Jason, let's take
this in any direction we want. It could be a specific company that we think maybe needs
to make an acquisition, or a type of acquisition that a company needs to make. Or, I'll just
add a third category, a company that's struggling and probably needs to be acquired.
Well, I think that we'll continue to see a lot of consolidation in the entertainment
space here over the coming years. The landscape is just getting so littered with so many options
and choices, it's becoming really, really tough to even decide what you want to subscribe
to and watch. And some streamers are better than others. So, I suspect we'll see some
consolidation in that space. I'm not really sure I ever actually pull for acquisitions.
They're just kind of a nature of the beast. But one that I feel like probably could make
sense at this point, Under Armour, to me, I feel like their time is up, man. They've
had enough time to try to make this work, and for whatever reason, it's not. They make
good stuff, and there was a time when the success was so obvious. You fast forward to
today. It's just been some boneheaded decisions on the part of management that have put the
business where it is today. They can't seem to get themselves out of this hole.
I think maybe Under Armour would be better off just under a house of brands. Whether
that's Nike or Lululemon or someone else, I don't know. But it does feel like maybe
Under Armour could exploit a little bit more value from that business, being a part of
something bigger. Then, one that I think I called out, it was one of our review shows
or preview shows as a wildcard. Speaking of DocuSign, back to the top of the show, I can
absolutely see Zoom acquiring DocuSign. To me, that just seems like it would be complementary
to the business. It's not something that Zoom does today. I think Zoom is here to stay.
I think it's going to be something that contributes to our new way of doing business, new way
of communicating. With this digital transition, the ways of working and communicating, I think
it's something that could be very complementary to Zoom's business model. We know that Zoom
is at least got acquisitions on the brain, right? They had that acquisition of, what was it,
Fiverr? Not Fiverr. Five9.
Five9. They had that acquisition that got called off because of regulatory concerns there.
Maybe they're still thinking they want to make an acquisition somewhere, and perhaps
DocuSign could be something that would be a complementary way to spur some growth in the
business. My jaw would hit the floor
if either of those acquisitions happen. If Lululemon tried to go after Under Armour,
I think I'd be upset with that decision given the premium status of Lululemon's brand. How
dilutive is that? Also, there's a lot of things that Zoom can do with their capital. DocuSign,
I don't see it being, to steal a word from every M&A person ever, synergistic, I suppose,
with their core offerings. What I always hoped for, and this could apply for Zoom,
I'm taking it more from the approach of the company that I would like to see acquired or
would be interested to see acquired, that's Discord. It's a private company. They have more
than 600 employees across the globe. But it got started as a gaming platform for people who are
gaming together to connect. And I always thought that there'd be more interest from some of the
big gaming companies to bring that communication in-house. It's a highly monetizable platform
right now. And while it does have its issues, it's widely used. So I thought Zoom could go
after something like Discord to get more to the consumer-facing instant messaging exposure,
which I think is maybe more synergistic, if I can, than a business like DocuSign. But really,
Zoom should just do anything with their money at this point.
Yeah, and it feels like there's a lot of interest in enterprise software right now
on the private equity side, right? Toma Bravo and firms like that. And maybe that's a sign
that they feel like a lot of these enterprise software company valuations are starting to
look a little bit more attractive now, given the market pullback this year.
Texas and California are about to test the market for driverless deliveries. We'll dig into that,
plus a couple of stocks on our radar. So, stay right here. You're listening to Motley Fool Money.
As always, people on the program may have interest in the stocks they talk about,
and The Motley Fool may have formal recommendations for or against,
so don't buy or sell stocks based solely on what you hear. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris
Hill here in studio with Jason Moser and Emily Flippen. Some folks in Texas and California may
soon have food delivered to their home by a robot. This week, Uber announced a 10-year
partnership with Neuro, the autonomous vehicle company, to make Uber Eats deliveries in the
United States. And it's going to start this fall with tests in Houston and Mountain View, California.
Jason, obviously, we're hoping that some of the listeners can do some boots-on-the-ground
research for us and drop an e-mail to podcasts at fool.com and let us know how this goes.
But what do you think about this? I think it has promise. I've seen one of
these neuro devices before actually tootling down the road in downtown Fairfax. It's funny
to watch people get out of the way and watch it go by, and they're like, what in the world?
What just happened? I think this holds some promise. Delivery has shown a lot of value
for Uber over the past couple of years. It is a money loser. This could certainly help
that cause, but I think that this is something that would be very location-specific. There
are places where it just doesn't make sense. So, part of the challenge is figuring out
where it ultimately makes sense. But it's also, I think it's in line with their approach
when you think about what Uber does. I like to think of Uber, and I think of transportation
as kind of the hub. What they do is transportation. That's the center of everything that they
do. And then the spokes are all of the different ways that they utilize that transportation
network, all of the different things that they try. So, you see things like high-capacity
vehicles in lieu of buses. You see them partnering with Avis to create Uber Valet as an alternative
to your traditional rental car. And you see them even piloting person-to-person rental
cars as a potential offering for the business down the line. So, will they all work? No.
Some of these bets won't pay off, but some of them will work. They won't, on their own,
all necessarily have the greatest impact. But together, they do ultimately strengthen
Uber's network and value proposition. And like we were talking about earlier today in
the production meeting, I think Uber has hit this status where it needs to exist. If Uber
went away tomorrow, that would really disrupt a lot of people's routines and lives, convenience
and otherwise. So, I am a big fan of what Uber is doing, and I think this is something
that has the opportunity, or the potential at least, to pay off. I think the big challenge
is figuring out where it works best. This is so dangerous, because the only
thing keeping me from ordering pizza and wings at 10 p.m. on a Friday night is just the disappointment
in the delivery person's eyes when I come out of my apartment and they have to look at me and my
PJs. That judgment contributes to my purchasing decisions. But in all seriousness, this actually
could be a game changer for Uber. You can probably play back Motley Fool Money radio shows where we
sat here making fun of Uber's lack of profitability, saying the only thing that could make them
profitable as driverless cars. And that reality could be coming faster than any of us gave it
credit for. Let's go to our man behind the glass, Dan Boyd. Dan, do you have thoughts on this?
I have a question. How does self-driving delivery work? Do I have to leave my house to go down to
the curb to remove the food I ordered from the car? Or it's not coming up to my door, is it?
No, you'd have to assume it's either dropping it off at the front of your driveway or at the front
of your building if you're in an apartment. There is a level of work that the person will
have to do, I would assume. And a corollary, what's stopping the
rampaging Utes in my neighborhood from knocking over the little delivery vehicle and stealing
my Panera? Security absolutely is an issue here,
but I'm assuming that the folks at Neuro have figured this part out.
I'd imagine they've installed cameras on those puppies.
Let's get to the stocks on our radar, and Dan, we'll hit you with a question.
Emily, you're up first. What are you looking at this week?
I'm looking at Casey's General Stores. The ticker is CASY. They had a lackluster quarter
with both revenue and earnings mildly missing expectation. Growth was fueled by the price of
gas, which is probably going to be pressured next quarter as that continues to come down.
For context, the average price per gallon in the quarter was a 52% increase compared to this time
last year. But even with that pullback in consumer spending, I think Casey's is still impressive.
They grew their inside sales, so that sales happening outside of their gas pumps, by 9%
in the quarter. And again, for the second quarter in a row, pizza and breakfast sales were really
strong. And while I'm personally not a big fan of breakfast pizza, of which Casey sells a decent
amount of, if Midwesterners like egg on their slices, who am I as an investor to judge?
Dan, question about Casey's General Stores? What the heck kind of store is this? We're talking
gas. We're talking breakfast. We're talking pizza. I'm guessing there's probably dry goods
involved as well. There are. They do a decent amount of
grocery sales as well. For the Texans out there, you can imagine this like a Buc-ee's or a Circle
K. For the people from Pennsylvania, is it Sheet or a Wawa? I think it's like all those,
except for if I'm 100% honest, slightly worse. Yeah, forget Amazon. Casey's is the
everything store. Jason Moser, what are you looking at this
Just taking a look at McCormick. If folks were paying attention, they would
have seen that McCormick pre-announced third quarter results this week and updated their
outlook due to moderation of consumption trends earlier than expected, Chris. I think that
just means that maybe people are going out a little bit more and cooking at home a little
bit less, which makes sense. I think the world's opened back up and most people have moved on.
Now, that said, it's not a business that's in peril. They ratcheted down guidance
just a touch. They expect 2022 sales growth of 3% to 5% vs. 5% to 7% before. They're projecting
their gross profit margin to decline 280 to 330 basis points vs. 150 to 200 basis points
from before. All things considered, nothing really concerning
in regard to the business. You have to understand why you own this stock. You own it for its
income-generating potential because it's a dividend aristocrat. Capital gains are secondary
for holding a company like this. As long as it's not something that is challenging to
the actual business itself, I don't think there's really anything to see here.
Dan? I appreciate the rueful tone Jason employed
at the beginning of this radar stocks here because, once again, he's going back to the
McCormick well. This is the type of guy, you see him in the office, you say, hey, Jason,
how's it going? And he says immediately, hey, did you hear about McCormick?
Well, listeners know I have an affinity for it, and that'll probably never change. But you know,
when you cook like I do, hey, listen, you got to love the companies that give you the tools.
What do you want to add to your watch list, Dan?
I'm genuinely curious about Casey's General Stores. I've never seen one. I've never been
to one. I kind of have to go now. Road trip. Emily Flipp and Jason Moser,
thanks for being here. Thanks, Chris.
That's going to do it for this week's Motley Fool Money radio show. The show is mixed by Dan Boyd.
I'm Chris Hill. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time.
