Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing - 21 Stocks for 2020
Episode Date: January 3, 2020Why should investors be watching 5G, banking, and small cap stocks in 2020? Why do ANSYS, Arista Networks, and CRISPR have big upside potential? Why should investors keep Grubhub, Harley-Davidson, and... Nordstrom on a short leash? And is it time for the CEOs at TripAdvisor, Under Armour, and Berkshire Hathaway to update their LinkedIn profiles? Analysts Andy Cross, Ron Gross, and Jason Moser tackle those questions and explain why they’re bullish on Adobe, Stitch Fix, and Target. Plus, we discuss upcoming IPOs we’d like to see and make some reckless predictions about Berkshire Hathaway, DocuSign, and the data analytics industry. Thanks Health IQ. See if you qualify for lower rates! Go to www.healthiq.com/fool Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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chris hill joining me in studio this week senior analyst jason moser andy cross and ron gross good
as always, gentlemen. It is our 2020 preview. We've got stocks to watch, stocks to avoid,
CEOs on the hot seat, and of course, as we do every year, we're going to make a few reckless
predictions. But Ron Gross, let me start with you. We're going to go wide to begin with.
What's an industry to watch in 2020? I'm going to go with telecommunications,
and specifically the 5G catalyst within that industry. It's a data transmission rate that
is about 10 to 100 times faster than the existing 4G networks. It will be the primary catalyst
for the next generation internet of things, whether that's connected cars, augmented reality,
virtual reality, smart cities. Companies short of benefit, Ericsson, Nokia, Verizon, AT&T,
even Apple will come out with a 5G phone. Are we really getting it in 2020?
I feel like 5G has been talked about for a couple of years now.
This is the year, unless I do it again next year.
Alright. Jason Moser, what about you?
Yeah, Matt Franklin and I talk about this a lot on the Industry Focus Financial
show, with interest rates as low as they are. And really, we're not seeing any signs that
they will be on the rise anytime soon. Banking is going to be an industry to watch closely,
because we do believe consolidation is going to continue in the space. We saw some signs
last year with SunTrust and BB&T, for example. I believe you mean Truist.
Yeah, I was going to say, granted, they bungled that name. Talk about rebranding efforts.
But even down to smaller banks like AmerisBank, Core, and Fidelity in Atlanta.
I mean, we're seeing banks of all sizes looking to consolidation to really scale up and take advantage
because they're witnessing some pressure on that net interest margin,
and that's really how banks make their money.
So, I think we will continue to see some consolidation in the space.
There's going to be some opportunities there, and so we'll be keeping an eye on it.
Andy Cross, what's an industry you're watching in 2020?
I'm actually going to a part of the market. I'm going small cap, fellas.
I think the small caps, it's been a tough past three, five years for small caps.
I mean, they've made money, but they've, overall as a group, have trailed the S&P 500.
However, when rates are falling low and they get cut over time,
as history tells us, that's actually a pretty good sign for small cap stocks.
The valuations relative to large cap stocks are the most attractive they've been in 10 or 15 years.
And so, I think that small caps might actually have a little bit of light this year.
I've been saying this now for the past couple of years, but hopefully this year, small caps will have a little bit of a boost above the large cap brethren in the S&P 500.
So, Ron, in terms of trends that you're excited about in 2020, I'm assuming 5G is on that list, but what else is on that list?
Well, if you know anything about me, you know I'm excited about the trend of convenience.
Whether it's same-day or next-day delivery from retailers, or immediate delivery from my favorite restaurants,
or calling a car on demand, watching a TV show or movie whenever I want from a variety of platforms,
companies are rapidly moving to meet the needs of me and other consumers.
I like to think that there are businesses out there that are asking themselves the question,
how can we make Ron's life more good?
Oh, please!
More of that!
to Ron. How do we get Ron on board with what we're doing here?
What are the chances of this guy setting up a home studio this year? Motley Fool
money from here on out is going to be, Ron, getting to us from Bethesda, Maryland.
Jason Moser, what trend are you watching?
Well, of course. I mean, if you know anything about me and Ron, I think you do. It's all
about mixed reality. Really excited about where augmented and virtual and mixed reality
are all headed. I think we saw over the course of the last several years, it's easy to dismiss
This technology is a fad, but we are really seeing a lot of money pouring into it.
And with a market that was valued at around $4 billion in 2017, expected to top $60 billion by 2023,
we have a service devoted towards it, and it's been a lot of fun building it out.
A lot of ideas out there, just a lot of excitement in the space.
And I'll be heading out to California in May to the Augmented World Expo.
I know that sounds pretty big. It is big, Chris.
And I'm very excited to see all these new ideas and great technology and bring back some ideas for our members.
We're going to get a field report from you?
There is absolutely no question you will.
All right. Andy Cross?
Workforce is getting much more distributed, fellas.
We all know this.
We're working from home and just in different locations, more collaborative tools.
I just think this area is going to continue to be an explosion for growth.
So the likes of the Zooms and the Atlassian, Slack even, even Microsoft.
JMO, I know you're a fan of Microsoft with Outlook 360 getting more and more distributed
as we are working in different locations.
I just think this is going to be a place that investing dollars are going to go
and that investing returns are going to be pretty high over the next five years.
In all seriousness, I'm not making a joke here.
I'm assuming that when you are looking at the workforce, you're not looking at the shared space industry.
And it's not just because of what happened with WeWork,
but it seems like that business is great for convenience, but not necessarily one to invest into.
Yeah, it's just the opposite, Chris.
I think it's not so much the shared workspace.
It's actually becoming more shared and connected just remotely and through online systems.
And I think that's going to be a place where we're going to be doing a lot more work over the next decade.
I agree with that, but I still don't want Ron getting the idea he can phone in to this show from his home.
Wouldn't even think of it.
All right, up next, a few stocks with upside potential and a few stocks with, you know, the opposite.
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Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill here in studio with Jason Moser, Andy Cross,
and Ron Gross. Jason, let me start with you. What is a stock or industry that you think is
poised for upside in 2020? Well, I'll go stock specific here. And as an economics major,
I love efficiency. Let's just find the quickest way to get from point A to point B. And I think
what we're seeing more and more with companies in aerospace and defense and electronics and
energy and healthcare, it's really all about simulation software and figuring out the best
solutions without having to invest too much money and time. A company that is really spearheading
this movement, Ansys. The global market for simulation software is a big one. It's going
to reach $16 billion by 2023. Ansys is a company that brings in around $1.3 billion, $1.4 billion
in revenue today. It is the market leader there. Customer base of around 45,000 worldwide.
Renewal rates of 95%. Gross margins of 90%. It's a very attractive business model.
But I think also something that's really noteworthy is that Ansys supplies about 2,400 academic institutions in more than 79 countries.
So, they're training a lot of people on this software while they're still in school, which means when they get out of school, they're jumping into jobs with that knowledge base.
So, a lot of those employers are investing a lot in that Ansys ecosystem to make sure they can not waste any time in getting them right there started.
Who is Ansys competing with? I have to believe there are bigger players in this space.
Actually, Ansys is one of the biggest, to be honest with you.
I mean, obviously, you've got companies out there like Autodesk, Dassault Systèmes and
the like that are doing similar things. But honestly, Ansys is a bit unique in what they're
doing in simulation. And they partner with companies like PTC to develop more offerings
for more purposes there. But Ansys really is the market leader.
Andy Cross, what about you?
My humble pie stock from our Thanksgiving show was Arisa Networks. And I'm going back
to it, fellas. I think Arista Networks provides cloud-based networking gear for the big cloud
titans and big data centers. It's had a tough go. It's had some challenges with some of
its largest clients, Microsoft and Facebook, these cloud titans pulling back on some of
their spending. But I think that trend is going to, if not next year, will reverse down
the line. And they're going into new and new markets like campus networking, which is a
big opportunity for Arista. They're exceptionally profitable. So, why growth at the top line
has slowed this year, I don't think that is gone for good. And the market's forward-looking.
So, I think over the next 12 to 18 months, the stock will start to rebound. They'll recognize
that. Its founders are Andy Beckelsheim, who was one of the original investors into Google.
He's the largest shareholder, has an exceptional amount of vision. And I just like the way
that they are positioning their company in a tough time right now.
Ron Gross, what about you?
I'll give you one sector and one stock for extra credit. I think the gene therapy sector
of the biotech industry is going to remain very exciting. Listeners know I've been a big fan of
CRISPR Therapeutics. It's part of my gene therapy basket, along with six other companies. I
specifically created the basket because I think gene editing will eventually be the future of
medicine. Now, shares of CRISPR in particular, they're up 125% this year, but do not let that
scare you. This is a long-term play. There's going to be lots of volatility, ups and downs
before we're done here years from now. But their balance sheet is very solid, which is
essential for these early-stage biotech companies. Jason, you know, this isn't everybody
gets a trophy day. There are stocks out there that are worth avoiding or shorting, or at
a minimum, just keeping on a short leash. What's on your list for that category?
Yeah. So, I mean, I look towards the food delivery service and, you know,
kind of jumping on Ron's penchant for convenience here. I love convenience as much as the next guy.
I don't know that the economics of food delivery are necessarily as attractive as some investors
maybe thought from the get-go. Now, I'm not saying forget about Grubhub, it's just game over.
But I do think we're going to see, ultimately, consolidation in this space to where just one
food delivery services leading the way there. And maybe that is Grubhub. But you saw Square
earlier last year unload their stake in Caviar. And I think a lot of that was because, No. 1,
it wasn't very complementary to their overall business. And No. 2, the economics just didn't
really work out for Square's overall business model. So, I think that food delivery, along with
we were talking about Uber and Lyft on the rideshare side, those are businesses where the
economics just aren't as clear-cut. They're going to have to probably figure out some other things
to do with those networks. Keep a very close eye on this one. Don't let it get too far away.
O'Reilly. Long-time listeners know you like to put together baskets of stocks,
the war on cash basket. Somewhere on your list, can you start to think around a Ron
Gross convenience basket?
Well, I mean, that's now, I mean, that's the resolution for 2020, right? I mean,
I hadn't really figured it out now, but thank you because you figured it out for me.
O'Reilly. That is so convenient.
O'Reilly. Andy Cross?
I don't own shares of Harley-Davidson, symbol HOG, but if I did, I would keep them on a short lease.
They've had 11 straight quarters of sales decline, 19 out of the last 20.
The stock has trailed Polaris, one that we do follow and like over the last three years.
Had some real struggles with what's called their live wire e-bike.
That was supposed to really try to lead the turnaround at Harley-Davidson as they kind of tried to go after a much younger audience.
That struggled. They did not get that out the doors like they wanted to. So, questions
around the live wire. The stock does yield a little 4%, has a relatively low payout ratio,
so it has some dividend potential there. But overall, the stock's underperformed, and I
think they have to get some things turned around there at Harley-Davidson.
It is one of the great iconic American brands, but when you think about the trends
that they are working against, it is a real struggle for each.
Absolutely. What about you, Ron?
I think mall-based retail, specifically department stores, have to be kept on a very
short lease, whether you're talking about Macy's or Kohl's or JCPenney's, Dillard's,
even, pains me to say, Nordstrom's, my favorite one. The trends are just not in favor of these
kind of stores. UBS recently did a survey that shows the percentage of folks that are going to
the mall specifically to shop at a department store are falling. It stands at about 20% now
of folks only going to a mall specifically to shop at a department store. Most are going for
other reasons, including things like the food court. Right now, roughly one-fourth, a quarter
of apparel shopping is done online. By 2023, that's going to be closer to one-third. The
trends are just not there.
Do you think, and we talked recently about the run that discount retailers have had over
the past decade, Ross, Dollar General, TJX, etc. They're obviously not dealing with malls
in the same way that a Macy's or a Nordstrom is. But I'm wondering if you think that there's
maybe even greater brand loyalty around a business like Dollar General than there is
for something like Macy's? I think it's more about the value proposition
than the brand loyalty. You have to give consumers something. So, if you're a Costco or a TJ
Maxx, delivering that value and the assortment in certain circumstances are what people are
looking for. So, CEOs in 2019, we saw essentially a record
number of CEOs saying, you know what, I'm out of here. And some of them, it was of their
own volition, and some of them were shown the door by the board of directors, or just
flat out for legal reasons. When you look around the CEO landscape, Jason, who do you
think, if they're not on the hot seat, it's certainly getting warmer underneath them?
Yeah, I mean, this one stood out to me immediately, and it's Stephen Koffer with
TripAdvisor. It's a company that I've wanted to like over the last five years. You look at the
stock's performance, I mean, it's just been abysmal. And honestly, that's for a number of
reasons. And a lot of it has been self-inflicted. A lot of it is also due to just competition in
the space and the fact that you're going up against companies like Booking.com and Google.
But the bottom line is that TripAdvisor has failed to really be able to pivot
and develop a business that can sustain any long-term success? And really, what is a massive
market opportunity in travel? So, it's a wonderful service as a traveler, but they were never able to
really become that OTA like they wanted to become. And then they kind of got stuck in this battle
with Google and SEO. And now, I mean, you've got this business that they don't know what else to
do. Last year, they declared that special dividend. They're reassessing the business model and
returning more value to shareholders in the form of repurchases. And so, these are all just signs
to me of management waving a white flag and saying they don't know what else to do.
You add to that, he doesn't really own much of a stake in the business, and there is a bit of a
convoluted ownership structure there with Liberty Trip Advisor Holdings. To me, this just all reeks
of a business that needs to put itself up for sale to the most interested buyer. I just don't
understand how Coffer continues being able to get away with this performance, because it's been
horrible. Andy Cross? I'm going with the CEO. He's not even CEO yet, officially, and that's
Patrick Frist, who's taking over from Kevin Plank from Under Armour. Kevin Plank decided to hand
over the reins to the footwear and the athletic apparel company to Patrick Frist, and he starts
in January. So, while he might not be on the hot seat, I think taking over from a founder-led CEO,
especially the one who has such a personality, Kevin Plank, the performance of Under Armour
really has struggled over the last couple years. Sales have stagnated, profits have fallen,
the stock's underperformed. It's an $8 billion, $9 billion business. So, he's got some challenges
ahead of him to really turn around that performance culture at Under Armour and make the sales
growth and the profits come back. Ron?
So, when I first started thinking through this one a couple of weeks ago, I thought
Dennis Muhlenberg from Boeing was a no-brainer. And Chris, guess what?
The board of directors agreed with you?
I was right, because he is out of there. So, I've been forced to go with plan B,
and that is Warren Buffett of Berkshire Hathaway. Yes, you heard it, Warren Buffett.
And it's certainly not because he's in any danger of being fired, but it's because he's got to get
two things right. First, he won't be at the helm forever. He needs to get the solid succession plan
in place, which he has begun to do. We've got Ajit Jain, who is now head of all insurance activities.
Greg Abel has been given authority over basically everything else. We've got Ted and Todd, who
we speak about quite often, each managing $4 billion. Interestingly, Todd Combs was
just also named CEO of Geico, which, that's a lot of work. $4 billion plus CEO of Geico,
let's assume he can get that done. But Buffett really does need to get this right.
No. 2, Buffett has got to figure out what to do with $128 billion of uninvested cash.
The stock has underperformed for five years. That's partly because 23% of Berkshire's market
cap sits in cash. This is my largest personal stock position. Mr. Buffett needs to get this right.
So, 2020, obviously, we're going to have a presidential election, and CEO compensation
is one of those issues that seems to get more attention in presidential election years than
other years. All things being equal, and Jason, I'll just start with you, how do you like
to see a CEO being compensated? As an investor, obviously, part of that has got to be, you
want them to have a stake in the company.
Yeah, I mean, I think having a stake in the company is nice. Now, I don't look at that
as a reason to invest. I think it's just a nice thing to see. I'm a little bit torn here.
I mean, I understand the argument against excessive compensation, but by the same token,
I mean, let's recognize these are CEOs that are taking care of a lot of employees, and
in many cases, are responsible for a lot of economic output. So, generally speaking, I
just like to see performance-based incentives that encourage CEOs to think more long-term
as opposed to hitting quarterly arbitrary Wall Street goals. And we love to see those
CEOs that don't even focus on those goals. And honestly, if you see an executive team
that just doesn't even set guidance on a quarterly basis, I'd love to see that.
Agreed. Bonus metrics that are aligned with the shareholder, and typically long-term,
is what I prefer to see. Plus, I love to see CEOs that, with their own cash, purchase stock.
Andy?
Yeah, I think just understanding how the culture of compensation from the board level to the CEO
is designed and appreciated is something that's really interesting to look at. And I think
everything that J-Mo and Ron said makes a lot of sense. Because if you are having a CEO at that
level who is compensated in the right way and building a culture that is sustainable and lasting
the one that we want, there's a lot of power there. And we've seen that in a lot of good,
really successful CEOs. Also, no funky metrics. Just base it on sales growth or operating income
targets. Remember, the further to the bottom line you get there, the more they can manipulate those
numbers. Our 2020 preview rolls on right after this, so stay right here. This is Motley Fool
Money. Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill here in studio with Jason Moser, Andy Cross,
and Ron Gross. Ron, a lot of questions going into 2020. What is your biggest question? It
can be about a company or an industry. What do you got? I'm going to go with a company. I'm
going to make it bed, bath, and beyond. New CEO Mark Tritton, Target's former chief merchandising
officer, recently took the helm, did great things for Target. It took him less than two
months to clear out nearly the entire executive suite. Six members of the C-suite are leaving,
including the chief merchandising officer, chief marketing officer, chief digital officer.
CFO is the only remaining executive. Not an easy turnaround here, but I think it's possible.
If he can do what he did for Target, maybe moving into some private label brands, improving
the in-store experience, speeding up deliveries, online pickups, I think there's something
to do here. As investors, we like transparency,
and if nothing else is clear about Bed Bath & Beyond, we have total transparency about
who is running this show, and who's going to get the credit, and therefore, who's going
to get the blame. Absolutely.
Jason, what about you? Very similar to your business,
I'm going with Wayfair, actually. If you look at the most recent quarter, revenue up 36%,
gross margin up 40 basis points, active customers of 19.1 million, orders delivered up 32%,
and I'm telling you, like, half of those showed up on my doorstep, thanks to this Master Bath
reno. But all of these metrics tell the story of a business that's doing really well. But
there was a key point in the call from CFO Michael Fleischer, and he said, I quote,
since the beginning of the year, more than 90% of our suppliers who are subject to China
tariffs, Ron, have raised wholesale prices, which have resulted in higher retail prices.
As retail prices on the site fluctuate, we observed that our customers' consideration
cycle gets disrupted and is effectively lengthened. The stock sold off 20% after that earnings call.
And I feel like if we can see some certainty here on the China tariff side, the business itself is
really performing well. If we can see that China situation resolved, I think 2020 stands to be a
very good year for a business that really is firing on all cylinders otherwise.
Andy?
You know, overall, the profitability of so many of these software-as-a-service companies,
the cloud-based companies, has been in question. And for a while, it was like, hey, just grow
as fast as you can, continue to plow money back into the business. We don't care about
profits or, in this case mostly, losses. I think that's starting to shift now. We saw
that this year a little bit. And I think in 2020, there's going to be more and more demand
for closer scrutiny on the profitability of some of these SaaS-based, high-growth companies.
I talked about in our review episode the situation at PagerDuty. I think, in general, companies
are going to be under more scrutiny and under the hot seat to really drive up the profitability
curve. So, I'm paying a lot of attention to the profits of some of these high-growth SaaS
companies.
Well, and that ties a little bit into our next topic, which is the IPO that you want
to see in 2020. Because it seems like, when you think about 2019 and the failed IPO of
WeWork, in a way, that sort of brought an end, in some respects, to the excitement around
IPOs. And I think, when I look back on 2019, Andy, it seems like more was, just as you're
saying about SaaS companies, and we're going to be looking for a little bit more on the
the profitability side. It seems like we had this 10-year bull market, and at some point
investors started to say, you know what, we're not just buying any hot IPO that comes down
the pike, we actually want more of a promise of profitability, regardless of the industry.
And what's really interesting is, if you look at the first half of the 2010 period,
for those big unicorns that came public, that went IPO, they almost were all profitable.
Like, very profitable. Think about Facebook when it came public, very profitable. In the
second half, very few of them were actually profitable, and some of them, Uber and Lyft,
for example, just getting worse. So, I think the market is definitely going to start looking
for and appreciating the profit picture much more.
You agree with that?
I do agree with that. I think, in general, in this market, profitability is going to
become more and more important as the bull market gets older and older. And top-line
growth is wonderful, but I think cash flow is going to become king once again.
Alright, Jason, let me start with you. What is a private company that you would
love to see come public in 2020? Well, yeah, two of my favorite markets
in healthcare and mixed reality. There's a little company out there called Medivis, it's
a medical software maker. And I tweeted out a little while back the Verizon keynote from
CES 2019. Dr. Christopher Morley, who is one of the co-founders of Medivis, gave a talk
and showed some examples of how we're using augmented and virtual and mixed reality in
the medical profession now. And it's just staggering to see the potential that exists
there. And they're raising a lot of money based on the software that they're producing,
building stuff for Microsoft, for that Microsoft HoloLens 2 that's coming out.
I hope they have a chance to go in on their own. I think that the work that they're doing is very
important. I wouldn't be surprised to see them acquired before they have the chance to go public.
But if they do go public, I'm going to have a very close eye on it.
I was just going to say, earlier in the show, you were talking about the banking industry and consolidation.
Everything you just said about Metavis makes me think they might not make it to the public market.
Andy, what about you?
This one has a lot of political ramifications.
I'm not quite sure in the election season whether it will actually go IPO or not.
But Palantir Technologies, which is the massive data analytics firm that was founded by Peter Thiel and Alec Karp,
and does a lot of business with government agencies, including the Defense Department,
the intelligence community, and even the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Group.
So, the last raise was at $26 billion.
So, it's a massively large company, does a lot of very complex data analytics.
They are in the market right now looking to raise, not in the public market,
but looking to raise another $1 billion to $3 billion.
So, I'm really interested because it's such a large company,
and it's so fascinating because it touches on so much of the data analytics that we deal with every day.
Ron?
I would love to see family-owned Chick-fil-A go public. Probably, in my opinion,
the best-run fast food chain with the best food, a very powerful combination. Controversy
surrounding some of their political and moral stance is notwithstanding. I think it is the
best-positioned fast food chain for the next five to 10 years, and that's regardless of
the so-called chicken sandwich battle that is currently being waged. I think they've
got the staying power here.
It's not so-called. It's an actual battle.
It's an actual battle.
That's one of the more interesting things going on in 2019. And in 2020, presumably,
this test that McDonald's is doing in Knoxville and Houston, if that goes well at all, they're
going to be rolling that out. And yeah, it's more competition.
Right. More competition. And I don't disagree, it could take a bite, no pun intended,
out of the company's traffic and business, and that would be reflected in whatever an
IPO valuation is. But the way they get the customer in and out, the throughput, the operations
of that company is very impressive. Any chance they open on Sundays? I think not. Other business
shows err on the side of caution, but up next, we're going to give you our reckless predictions
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Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Chris Hill in studio once again with Jason Moser, Andy
Cross, and Ron Gross. Before we get to the reckless predictions, a quick round of fill
in the blank. Andy Cross, you're up first. In 2020, blank is going to surprise a lot
of investors. A lot of ways you can go there. You can go company, CEO, whatever you want.
In honor of Herb Keller, who died about a year ago this time, I'm going with Southwest.
I think it's had a little bit of a tough run. It's tied into a lot of the Boeing Max issues
that have really hurt their earnings. The last quarter, they knocked 20% off their earnings.
But when you look at the stock, the market cap is $28 billion. Cash and debt are about
neutral at $4 billion. Stock is cheap at 12 times earnings. They're now aggressively going
into Hawaii. They offer, from four different cities in California, they offer a flight
to Hawaii. EPS growth north of 10% a year, I think, of the stock price there. I think
over the next, not just next year, but over the next three to five years, Southwest is
a winner.
Ron, what's going to surprise investors in 2020?
Chris, in 2020, value investing is going to surprise a lot of investors. Now,
I get it, value has been crushed by growth for the last 11 or 12 years, and even more
recently crushed even worse, but that will not last forever. Value will make its comeback
and it will regain its lead over growth over long periods of time.
Any chance you can team up with Jason on a value-slash-convenience basket?
Now you're talking.
Jason Moser?
Well, I have a pretty well-established track record of ripping on this company during my tenure here at The Motley Fool.
But I do think that in 2020, Bed Bath & Beyond, new CEO Mark Tritton, I think this is going to surprise people.
I think that if these guys have a chance, it's going to happen this year.
I think we're going to see some glass half-full results here this year from Bed Bath & Beyond.
I'm not counting them out just yet.
Agreed.
A shot glass half-full.
Given the fact that the glass has been like five-eighths full, half-full is going to be a step up.
There's too much math involved for me here now.
I'm confused.
Andy Cross, this time next year, I think I'm going to regret not owning blank.
I'm going to regret not owning Stitch Fix, and I'm hoping to buy it at some point here.
I look at this business founded by Katrina Lake. They provide personalized shopping online
through their algorithms. I think what they are doing and how we are changing our shopping
behavior, considering a lot of people now are going online to shop their tailored experiences.
I look at Stitch Fix, symbol SFIX. It's a relatively small company in a very large market,
and I think that's going to be a winner.
Ron, what about you?
I think I'm going to regret not owning Target. I've spoken before about the great job that
Brian Cornell has done to turn this business. And I think there's plenty of room for it
to continue. Stock's not cheap, certainly compared to other folks like Costco or Walmart.
I think there's plenty of room to run here. I think it's a great stock to own.
All kidding aside about convenience, have you tried the Target order online and
then pick up system? Because I've done that a couple of times. It works out very smoothly.
Jason, what about you? I'm going to remedy this so I don't
regret it. But it's owning shares of Adobe. I've talked about this company before. Tremendous
business on the creative software alone, but big investments they're making into their
document cloud business and giving companies like DocuSign a little bit more competition
out there. There's a lot of different ways for this company to win, and it's amazing
to think that it's a $150 billion company now. I see plenty more upside. And a recent
recommendation in our augmented reality service. I will be using this as a no-brainer reminder,
as you put it, Chris, to buy shares once our trading guidelines allow.
We often talk about food and beverage innovations on Motley Fool Money. And let's face it,
sometimes it is at the expense of the company involved. So, this can be helpful if you want,
or it can be not helpful. You can continue that trend. Andy, in 2020, I think blank should test
blank. It's the holiday
season, and I'm an Anglophile, and I
like mincemeat pie, and I
actually make a good mincemeat. Vegetarian
style, Ron. Vegetarian. I think
for the holiday season,
McDonald's should bring
a mincemeat pie to their menu.
They have the apple pie. It's quite delicious, but I think
mincemeat would do them very well.
They've certainly had success in the past,
usually in December with the
McRib rollout. You're saying, go
mincemeat? Go the whole holiday season.
Embrace it all and go the mincemeat side.
Wow. Okay, Ron?
Well, because I like to cook, and I know, Jason, you do as well,
I tried to really give this some thought and come up with a real suggestion.
So I think Wendy's should test a stuffed sweet potato.
Now, they have a stuffed baked potato, so this is just augmenting the menu here.
We're going to stuff it with things like chili, which they already have.
I would suggest an avocado bacon cheese stuffed sweet potato.
For those like Andy, a black bean and quinoa stuffed potato,
or perhaps a feta tomato and olive sweet potato.
My phone is open if you would like to discuss this, Wendy.
Are you saying my mincemeat pie wasn't a real recommendation?
I was going to say, that was what I gathered from what he was just saying there, AC.
It's fighting words.
He's not an Anglophile.
I just like that he prefaced it by, I put a lot of thought into this.
I did. I came up with choices.
Unlike all the stock information that Ron was talking about earlier in the show.
Jason Moser, what about you?
I will say I gave this as much thought as all of our other segments for this show.
And I think, Mac, you probably will like this.
I'm going back to my Southern roots here. You know, I love chicken and waffles, and I love
making chicken and waffles for dinner at home. The kids love it. My wife loves it.
It is a lot of work, okay? I'm not going to lie. I mean, you could cheat and buy the frozen chicken
fingers or whatnot. Listen, Bojangles, I know you had a tough time of it as a publicly traded
company, but how about you introduce a chicken and waffles burrito, where the actual wrap is a
waffle, and then your chicken is going inside that. So, a chicken and waffles burrito, and we
can experiment with the things that go in there other than the chicken. Maybe it's just
chicken and syrup. Hey, maybe it's chicken and syrup and some bacon or something like
that. But a chicken and waffles burrito from a restaurant like Bojangles, I think would
resonate.
And you eat this with your hands?
Absolutely.
Sounds very sticky.
Oh, man. I mean, if you have the foil wrap, then you can at least keep it somewhat clean.
But yeah, the mess is part of the fun.
So, a few months ago on this show, our guest was David Henkes, who's spent his career studying
the restaurant industry. And one of the things we talked about was Applebee's, which is something
we've talked about from time to time on this show, and Applebee's and their drink specials.
And at first, it was kind of funny that Applebee's was coming out with the $1 Long Island iced
teas and the Appletinis and all this sort of thing. And Applebee's, which is part of
Dine Brands, publicly traded company, once you started to say, hey, wait, that thing
that they're doing with the $1 drink specials is really working. It's driving traffic.
It's paying off for shareholders. So, I think, to our man behind the glass, Steve Broido,
big fan of Darden Restaurants and a parent company of Olive Garden, I think Darden Restaurant
has to start looking at their portfolio of restaurants. What are the drink specials they
can start offering? Because it is working for Applebee's. It's working for Dine Brands.
I think it could work for Darden.
O'Reilly. Dollar glasses of Chianti. I'm in.
Let's go right now.
O'Reilly. Stopping in for a little Chianti and salad and bread.
sticks? I mean, man. I like that that's much more palatable to Ron than something sticky.
Let's get to the reckless predictions, which is what the listeners have been waiting for the
entire show. And we'll bring in our man behind the glass, Steve Berto. He can make his own
reckless prediction for 2020. Ron, what do you got? So, last year, I talked about finding life
on Mars, or former proof of life on Mars. And that was pretty reckless, and I still believe
We're going in that direction. But for this year, I'm going to come a little more down
to earth. And it's an actual prediction, not necessarily so reckless, even though that's
the name of the segment. Sorry. I say Berkshire Hathaway is going to buy back 15% of their
outstanding shares for $80 to $90 billion and initiate an annual cash dividend equal
to 1.5% yield. For the B shares, that would equate to $3.50 per year dividend. I think
that's going to set Berkshire up really nicely. They have plenty of cash, $128 billion on
their balance sheet right now. It's going to be great for the stock.
I mean, it's not life on Mars, but in the context of Berkshire Hathaway, the way that
they allocate capital, yeah, that qualifies as reckless.
Thank you, thank you. Jason Moser?
Yeah, I'm sticking with what I threw out there a couple of episodes ago. I do think, given
all of the signs we've seen from Adobe in investing in their document cloud business,
they covet, I think, DocuSign's small and medium-sized business clientele. I think that
with where the stock price is today with the balance sheet that Adobe has, I think that
2020 Adobe acquires DocuSign at a nice premium, because they could afford to do it, and it
would pay off for many, many years to come.
Excuse me, I'm going to call my broker and buy some shares of DocuSign, because I think
you're right about that. Andy Cross, what do you got?
Be more reckless if Berkshire paid a dividend. Similar to Jason's, last year we saw Salesforce
buy Tableau for $16 billion. Google bought Looker. I talked about Palantir technology.
This data analytics space is going to be really interesting and continue to evolve.
I think there will be another big acquisition.
Maybe it's Datadog, which is a really fabulous company.
Some big player, maybe it's Microsoft, will continue to buy out and consolidate the data analytics space for the software space.
So, I'm really interested to see which one buys whom in that space.
So, if we look back on 2019 and the IPOs and sort of the sobering thought amongst the Wall
Street community when it came to IPOs, it sounds like we feel pretty bullish about acquisitions,
whether it's the banking industry or more individual cases with software, that sort
of thing. We're feeling like investors are going to be on board with all these acquisitions?
Yeah, well, I think so. Certainly, from the competitive space, when you look at the
continued growth of the large players, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, as they continue
to look for ways to grow, and the other companies that they're going to acquire have to compete
against that growth. And that's hard to do in a world that the big dogs continue to generate
more and more of the revenue growth. So, I think some of those investors from the smaller
companies recognize that's the way to go, is to get bought out.
And more importantly, investment bankers need something to do. So, if the IPO market
dries up a little bit, they're going to have to start consolidating industries,
breaking up bigger companies, because the investment bankers have to eat also.
That's true. Let's go to our man behind the glass, Steve Broido.
Listeners have been waiting the entire show. Do you have a reckless prediction for 2020?
You bet. I believe there will be a national ban on the electric scooter market in cities,
and that all those companies that are jumping in to rent you scooters will go away.
That's a good one.
As someone who's never actually gotten on an electric scooter
but has walked around them when people just leave them on sidewalks,
is it safe to assume you're the same as me in that regard, Steve?
I'm just not a fan. It's just not going to end well. It's just not.
They're in college towns all over the place, which is a dangerous mix.
The kids come out of the bars, jump on a scooter. What could go wrong?
Steve, you'll save private equity a lot of money if they stop investing today.
All right. Andy Cross, Jason Moser, Ron Gross. Guys, thanks for being here.
Thanks, Chris.
That's going to do it for this week's edition of Motley Fool Money. Our engineer is Steve
Broido. Our producer is Mac Greer. I'm Chris Hill. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week.
