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Episode Date: July 2, 2025

Aerovironment’s CEO shares insights on the drone company’s game-changing merger and how unmanned systems are revolutionizing modern combat. Andy Cross interviews CEO Wahid Nawabi to discuss: - Multi-billion-dollar BlueHalo merger expanding capabilities across air, ground, space, and cyber - Fast Innovation: 18-month product cycles vs. 10-year industry standard - Record Growth: $764M backlog across 55 international customers - Vertical Integration: In-house design enables optimized performance at lower costs Companies discussed: AVAV Host: Andy Cross Guests: Wahid Nawabi Engineer: Dan Boyd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi, everyone. I'm Andy Cross with The Motley Fool. It's a holiday week here, so we are bringing one of my favorite recent CEO conversations to Motley Fool Money. I had the opportunity to talk with AeroVironment CEO Waheed Nawabi. He shared his insights into the company's impressive AI-driven product suite and his game-changing acquisition of Blue Halo. AeroVironment stock is down 11% today after it announced a planned capital raise, but it's up an impressive 85% year-to-date. We hope you enjoy my conversation with Waheed Nawabi. Hello, Fools, and welcome to another Molly Fools CEO Conversation. I'm Andy Cross, really pleased and honored to have today joined here by Waheed Nawabi, the CEO of Air Environment,

a $3.6 billion market cap designer, maker of intelligent multi-domain drone and robotic systems. Waheed, welcome to The Motley Fool. So great to have you here. Andy, great to be with you. Thank you for having me. Super exciting time to be talking about Air Environment and your capabilities, but let's just set the stage. In your own words, give an overview of your company, its purpose, its products, and the markets it serves. Sure. So we are one of the original, what's referred to these days, next-gen defense tech primes. We've been doing this for literally 50 plus years. But our recipe is very, very unique,

has been unique, and we're the leader in the spaces that we do. So we believed many, many, many years and almost a couple of decades ago, that unmanned or uncrewed systems on the edge of the battlefield, whether it's ground robots, air robots like drones, loitering munitions, and counter UIS systems, counter drones, these systems, if they're all integrated with autonomy and AI and computer vision, those are the three enabling interoperability technologies, and they can work together as a system, they can deliver an enormous amount of value for the national security interests of the United States and our allies. So, AeroVironment is one of the very unique companies that has done that for decades. We have tens of thousands of systems operating

around the world, primarily small unmanned systems, drones, and loading munitions. And we also export those things to 55 different allies of the United States around the world. And we have been very, very well known in the military for our drones and loading munitions in Ukraine conflict. But even beyond that, before that, in the conflicts of Afghanistan, the Middle East, Iraq, we were very, very popular in those times. So essentially, we were the ones who invented these categories for the U.S. military, taught them how to use it and operationalize it within their force structure, and essentially made very successful businesses and franchises, which now is referred to as defense tech. But we are the original defense tech prime,

and we believe we're the leader in that space. And I think their future is tremendous for us. And so, Waheed, we're talking uncrewed systems, drone systems, the loitering systems, which are the munition systems like the switchblade i believe and then the the mccready works which is kind of a little bit of like a skunk works inside air environment however with a very with a very specific purpose when they're designing systems give us a size of the just uh our our viewers a scope of the of the size of products you're talking about are we we're talking about drones that are as small as a person and as big as you know a car a great question so all of the above And in between. So, yes, we're organized in three segments, three business segments, our

uncrewed system segment, our looting munitions segment, and then our liquidity work segments, precisely with how you described it. It's our incubator for specific types of technologies and innovation that could become the next disruptive capability in the world. In terms of the drones, first of all, the smallest drone we've made is probably the size of a hummingbird it was actually in the cover of time magazine it was called the hummingbird uh and it's literally it's a drone that is looks and flies just like a hummingbird it's got sensors on it that you can go through a window and you know surveil a room or it's a phenomenal design and in fact the hard part of that DARPA hard part of that was it has to mimic the flight of a hummingbird

with its wings flapping and that's exactly what it does uh the largest drone that we make we've made or designed is the wingspan from tip to tip of the wing is about 262 feet which is a few feet longer than an airbus a380 double-decker aircraft and it's 100 solar power and it takes off from a gravel runway, not even paved and gets up to the stratosphere, which is about 65,000 feet up the air, uh, essentially two times higher than general airliners. And that's called near space. And it operates there for months at a time. And it's literally at a stratospheric satellite essentially. And so those are the sizes of the drones that we make everything in between of those. The most common ones that we've made for the military are the hand-launched drones, like the Ravens and the

Puma and Jump 20. Jump 20 is not hand-launched, I'm sorry. Those Ravens and Pumas are hand-launched. And then those are the ones for smaller forces, squads, company size, and even brigade size forces that they can have their own organic ISR, intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance capabilities within their force structure. That was a shift. just very quickly just for some uh context in that so so um a military force a squad would be out in the field and they would have a person who would launch the drone by hand and would they have another person who's involved in directing steering it or is that all done how is that even how is that accomplished just great great question all and both or or both both uh essentially think

of it this way for century plus in the military ever since aviation if you were a squad within the u.s army and you needed to get some intelligence surveillance reconnaissance information about your surroundings you have to call in a airplane a manned airplane you had to call an f-16 or apache or a whatever the airplane they had manned airplane and essentially that resource, multi-million dollar resource would be probably tied up supporting dozens, if not hundreds of different squads on the battlefield. What we've developed was a small drone that you could put in a backpack that you can hand launch called Raven. And essentially one person can hand launch it. And within a matter of minutes, be able to fly for an hour and a half up to 10, 15

kilometers around yourself and get your organic ISR capability, intelligence surveillance reconnaissance. It takes usually one or two people, most of the time, two people to operate these things. One person to launch it. And then once you launch, you have a ground control station, literally a little display with controllers on it, just like a video game. And you could see what's going on around you at day and night. And essentially you see it better than most likely manned airplane because you could fly

low. you could you're very quiet because you're mostly electrically powered and they are really hard to detect with radios and jammers and sensors and also they're very difficult to hear because they're tiny they look like a little bird in the sky and especially if it's dark you can't see it right and so and those are all battery powered um mostly the 90 of them are yes and most of those are surveillance? They're mostly for surveillance? Yes. So, most of the UXS, the uncrued systems, are considered non-lethal, but they're primarily for surveillance, intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance. But there are versions of our Jump 20, for example,

our Group 3 UAS, that is, they can carry kinetic payloads. Besides being just a surveillance drone, they can also be offensively used if you wanted to yeah and just very quickly the jump 20 is not a hand-launched that's not a hand-launched one that's a much bigger one and the newer model i think is modular so you can add in different you can actually add in i believe a weapon like weapons you could add in surveillance you can you can add things to it in the field based on what the fleet needs is that right correct that's right so the u.s military many years ago came up with these what they call them the categorization of different group groups based on how long you can fly how high can you fly and how much payload can you carry and they call them group one two three

four five and six uis unmanned aircraft systems and so the smallest group in terms of payload endurance and size is called group one and then group two and then group three and group four and when you get to like the stratospheric satellite one that i described the haps platform that's a group six capability so now most of the ones that we make are group one two and three jump 20 is a group three uas which means it's roughly about a 25 pounds of payload and a maximum takeoff weight of about 60 70 pounds maybe a little bit more than that and so that's a bigger airplane it's not hand launched because a human cannot launch it with the hand but ravens and Pumas and Wasps, those are all hand-launched small drones that weigh less than 5, 10 pounds,

essentially, in terms of their total weight. And the Jump 20 can launch vertically. Is that correct? That is correct. Which gives it an advantage in the field, especially from ships. That's right. So over the last few decades, AV has brought an enormous amount of innovation into this space. Initially, the drones were hand-launched and it's called a deep stall landing. So when the drone comes in to land, comes back because you retrieve these, they actually come back and they shut down the engine and then they just crash on the ground the last 20, 30 feet. That's how every Raven and Puma actually lands. And it's actually a surprising moment for a warfighter. If you're a soldier, you see this thing crash land and

basically break into pieces, it's designed to do that. It's because it dissipates the energy so it actually survives thousands of landings like that on hard surfaces. Jump 20 is a much bigger airplane. And historically, those airplanes have required a runway. And when you are now runway dependent, like a ScanEagle is, for example, you have to have a runway close by you could be able to take off from and land at. That limits your operational use a b it's way more expensive c it also actually makes it more dangerous for the forces because you may not have her one way close by or then you become a target so what we did is we developed this drone the jump 20 that's the ends the name jump that basically has a vertical takeoff kit

that it takes off like a helicopter or like a quadcopter and then it starts to get airborne and once it becomes airborne it flies like a feng shui so it's called a hybrid veto vertical takeoff and landing airplane. And so, what it does, it allows this airplane to have the best of both worlds. It has the ability to fly as a fixed-wing airplane, which gives you endurance. It gives you more payload capacity. It can go longer. It can go faster. But it also gives you the ability to be runway independent and operate with much, much less number of people. So, the total cost of ownership of this system is dramatically lower than a fixed-wing airplane that relies on the runway. And so that's really the unmanned drone side of the business. Let's

talk a little bit about the loitering systems, and then I want to get into some of the exciting growth opportunities tied to a significant acquisition that you're making. The loitering system, which is the switchblade, which are hand-launched, essentially, munitions systems that were very popular in the fight with Ukraine was a very significant growth driver for you. That's tapering off now, and actually you're not really expecting much growth from Ukraine going forward. And so quickly about the loitering systems and why is that important to have as part of your suite of products for air environment? Great question, Andy. And let me elaborate a little bit because the context of this means a lot, and it explains a lot to your viewers,

if you ask me, in my view. So when we first invented and gave the small drones to the small warfighters like squads in Afghanistan, they realized, oh my God, I found my adversary and I see they're over the other side of the mountain. They're five miles away. I now need a weapon system to take that target out and prosecute the target. And that's when the idea of a kamikaze drone or switchblade was born called the looting munition. And what is that? it's a tube launch uav same size as a small raven maybe a little smaller and the larger version is much bigger the size of a javelin war weapon system and you basically take out a tube out of your backpack three of them fits in a rucksack three switchblade 300s and the whole thing weighs

a total of 25 pounds so a swan soldier can carry three of them at a time in a rucksack you put it down on the ground within like two minutes you can push a button and out of the tube comes a uav opens up its wings and starts flying. Now you find your target and you've got a half hour to fly around up to 20, 30 kilometers to find your target. When you find the target, and then you say, hit it, and you designate the target. And essentially it goes and it actually prosecutes the target. It flies directly into the target, stationary or moving. And there's a lot of technology that goes into that. I'm not going to get into that detail. And so that business was a disruptive capability for the warfighter because they were able to now not only have organic ISR

capability, they also had organic precision lethality from distances that was not visually capable to see the target. And that was a game changer. And so now Ukraine has become the poster child because it's been so much public awareness and videos of this thing. And now the larger version of that carries the same warhead as a Javelin anti-tank weapon, but it goes up to a hundred kilometers away and it could fly for up to an hour. And you can literally take out a moving tank at 35, 40 miles an hour down the road and at the moving speeds. And you could come at it from different angles. It has dramatically changed the landscape and then the war in Ukraine. So when the conflict in Ukraine started, our switchblade and our small Pumas were the first

set of capabilities that the U.S. military gave to the Ukrainians at the beginning. And since then, it's been a phenomenal success. And U.S. DOD has given them more and more and more and more. And what you're referring to is that we knew that this war eventually going to end. And about a year and a half ago, we intentionally said we need to pivot away from the demand in Ukraine. And now we have a robust pipeline of billions of dollars worth of opportunities outside of Ukraine that we're looking at for the next 10 years. Let's talk a little bit about that, because that's where it gets a little bit even more exciting, is you announced a big acquisition with Blue Halo, I think another Virginia-based company, very much like AeroVironment is,

that pushes AeroVironment in kind of a whole new direction. As I understand, there's very little overlap with the product suite, but Blue Halo specializes in things like providing for space technologies, counter drone surveillance and counter UAS capabilities, electronic warfare and cyber. So talk a little bit about what you're expecting from the Blue Halo acquisition and why you decided to push in that direction. Sure. Yeah. So we're incredibly excited about this because in my 15 years of career at AB, this is a historic moment. It is a game-changing transaction for us and for our customers, and most likely for our shareholders. Here's why I say that. Our strategy has been that if you take these unmanned systems that are in

different domains, ground, air, subsea, on the surface of the water, and in the stratosphere, and in the space, and you connect these unmanned systems, you integrate them with AI and autonomy, and you put computer vision and autonomy together with them, and you operate at the edge of the battlefield, you are delivering a set of capabilities to the US military that is basically changing warfare since the machine gun, invention of machine gun. Essentially, I actually saw a speaker the other day, expert in this area, who said switchblade is the new machine gun of the 21st century. Literally, his entire presentation was on this. That's very true. So this is our strategy this has been our strategy and this has been the strategy for blue halo as well the beauty

of this is that the domains are the areas that we focused on they did not and the areas that they focused on we did not and so this brings the best of both worlds together to build a company that has the domains that really all matter space cyber ground air stratosphere subsea and counter uas and intelligence community all together and that's why there's literally no overlap between our businesses and an enormous amount of synergy so we can go and offer to our customers a end-to-end multi-domain solution that's all based on unmanned capabilities and the types of trends and threats that we see to compete with our adversaries like China and everyone else. And Wahid, how do you see the integration going? Because different products, same customers, maybe a little bit

different customers, and they have Space Force and the space side. You all are not really the space side. But talk about how you expect the integration to go. Not so much the numbers, which I always love numbers, but just more about the sales process, the R&D process. How do you expect that all to unfold over the next year and a half? Sure. So it's going to take us a couple of years to get all the integration completed in this, because these are large, equal-sized businesses, and there's very little over-up, but there's a lot of opportunity for integration and synergy. The synergies, this is all about growth. This this acquisition is all about growth. And essentially, because there's very little

overlap in terms of our products and our customers, it allows us to benefit from each other's cross-selling and cross-capabilities. The areas that I see, so integration so far is going fantastically well. I mean, we're ahead of our schedule in many ways, or on track or ahead of our schedule. We've got the first was to get a Hotscart Houdini HSR approval. We got that for the MD Trust. We got the SEC approval, which was unprecedented and at about a week or so time frame. There's one last hurdle left, which is to get the approval from our shareholders. There's a shareholder vote that is due on at the end of April, May 1st. So technically, we're about to complete all those on track and on schedule, hopefully. And then beyond that, there's a few

other small knickknacks that are going to flow. And we expect this deal to close in the second quarter of this calendar year. So the integration work has already started. We're working together to kind of build our plans for the future. And we're doing extremely well. But it's going to take us years to basically realize the full value of this deal. The reason is because we also have to work with our customers to help them with their capabilities and how they can benefit from the integration of these two entities together. And while you just talk a little bit about the customers, because it's obviously a lot of defense, U.S. defense, international defense spending, similar for Blue Halo, maybe a little bit different, but similar as well, too. One of

the things I think that allows you to be able to develop and innovate in something like Switchblade it's just those deep relationships you have with your customers and i i think kind of like ingrained with the customers from a very from a from a development perspective talk a little bit about the research and develop initiatives that you have inside air environment why that is or how you consider that a competitive strength and a uniqueness a unique proposition absolutely so So the characteristics of a next-gen defense tech prime, which we are the example of, are some of them are as follows. Number one, we invest a lot in R&D as a percentage of revenue than most, not most, all the primes.

Our average R&D spend as a percentage of revenue is similar to a high-end tech company. 11%, 12% of revenue on R&D, which is unheard of. I mean, companies like Lockheed and Northrop, their R&D spend at best is 4%, maybe, you know, not even. And so, we don't wait for the customer to fund us to develop the product. We've never done that in our history, actually, number one. Number two, agility. We are incredibly fast.

Our development cycle, the latest product that we just developed for our UAXS platform called P550, we just introduced, from sitting down with the U.S. Army on LRR requirements and understanding the requirements until we actually had the prototype. So, it was less than nine months. Less than nine months. We're going to actually get it to manufacturing ready level, where we can produce in high volume in less than 18 months total. Total. You know, historically in the U.S. DoD, a program takes 10 years. So, we are shrinking that to less than two years. That is the genetic DNA of our environment. The third thing, we're incredibly, incredibly intimate with our customers. We spend a lot of time iterating the solution with the customer

upfront, which allows us to then come up with the solution and capability that the warfighter absolutely loves and it's ideal for their needs. And so those three things, agility, innovation, and customer intimacy is something that's very unique to our culture and Blue Halo as well. And the reason why this is an advantage for us is because we have international customers that we do this really well. They don't. They're incredibly close with Air Force and Space Force and the Intel community. We're not. And we're very strong with Army and SOCOM. So, these are all what I call even complementary besides products and markets. You mentioned some of the competitors.

I'm just interested. So, again, much smaller than the Boeing. Why doesn't someone like Boeing or Lockheed just try to do what you're doing and compete directly with you? You mentioned the uniqueness DNA of Air Environment, but I just want to understand maybe a little bit more about how have you been able to really not corner this part of the market, but really be the leader when it comes to this part of the market for the DoD? So Andy, you asked a really, really great question. And I believe this question that you're asking is a multi-billion, if not trillion dollar question, right? Because why can't the big guys copy what we're doing?

The answer is complicated to some extent, but it's pretty simple as well. Number one, we have been competing with the large primes since inception. There is not a day that goes by that we don't compete with the big primes on a regular basis. number one and they have not been successful to break into our recipe and copy and our recipe it's not that easy for them number one the inertia within these large companies is we wait for the customer we wait for the customer to pay for it and then we would nickel and dime the customer more and more in 10 different ways and we're going to move at the pace that it's even slower than the customer. And so, all those things are antipedical to our strategy and our DNA.

We are impatient. We do not like two years of the development cycle even. And so, our process is incredibly this entrepreneurial model. So, if they even actually tried to copy our model, it is very dilutive to their strategy and to their existing model. So, there's an inertia, but there's also a culture it also is a what i call the way that we're designed the kind of people we hire we hire we our biggest competitive hirings are with the googles and apples of the worlds it's not necessarily with northrop and lockheed we respect them they're great companies don't get me wrong they've done a lot of things that they do really well but that's not our ball game our ball game is that fast iterative cycle highly innovative disruptive and we also are very

vertically integrated. So if you look at most of our systems, we design almost every single subsystem that comes into our solution. So our technology stack is very highly vertically integrated and stacked. What that does allows us to make a system that is highly, highly optimized for the warfighter. And so the analogy that I use is the following, just to illustrate that point. when you buy the boeing airplane the engine is made by someone else they're you know the the avionics of someone else the glanning gear someone else the air conditioning is someone else and you kind of a system integrator and you make air structures maybe okay even the air structure is not made by them that's a fail and nothing wrong with it that's the model i mean i'm not

trying to uh poo-poo it it's just the way it is that's what it is it's the facts right now in our case, we design our air structure. We design our avionics. We design our autopilot. We design our own gimbals. We design our electronic computer onboard. We design a ground control station. We design the air structures, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And the argument that I give to a lot of people in allergy is this. If you were to build the best car, you use the best brakes, the best tires, the best engine, the best transmission, you're to have the worst performing car not the best performing car that's right you optimize by making a toyota camry or a mercedes-benz or a bmw by optimizing all the subsystems yeah and that is

our strategy and that's why we are vertically integrated and so that gives us an advantage in competition as well with our uh competitors and that's why we're so successful in our almost like you're the first like a ferrari at scale for for primes to the to dod it's exactly right our model is how do you how do you deliver the performance of a ferrari at the affordability of a camry or in a fourth course that's essentially what we use and we've standardized a lot of things and we design and manufacture and scale but we do it in such a way that is really affordable cost-effective and scalable head back to the streets and fx is the drop a snowfall saga watch wanda bell and leon simmons fight to reinvent themselves in 90s los angeles

where the fallout from the crack epidemic fuels the rise of west coast rap ambition loyalty and survival collide as everyone risks everything to build something lasting and fx is the drop a snowfall site streaming now on hulu on disney plus click or tap the banner to sign up now we'll wrap up here in the next few minutes here why this has been such a pleasure thank you i want to talk a little bit about just the market environment that you're seeing right now obviously so much talk about what's going on in washington dc down the road here um from us uh with with the your key customers being tied to the federal government and and and the dod um how do you maintain that relationship that allows you the healthy balance between pricing and service is

there is there a recurring revenue model stream behind your products or is it is it kind of once and done and just the the brand speaks for itself and then they come back and order more so a little bit about just what you're seeing from from the marketplace and how that is starting to impact the way that you're thinking about uh pricing and also delivering services to the government Sure. So, you know, our business is very unique in some ways in that regard because a lot of our development activities in software, we do a lot of software, but we don't sell software by itself as a big individual line item. Although, you know, we do sell some software, but a lot of our hardware is differentiated and value added by the software capability within it. So, we call it a software-enhanced solution set. Our revenue stream is both hardware and services, services that can be engineering services.

And there's some software sales, but not a lot of it. There is absolutely a long tail with every sale. So, when we actually sell to an army or to a navy or to special forces a small UAS system, those systems are like airplanes that last five, ten years. and they're used on a regular basis. So there's a long tail that goes around. Most of the times the customers, you know, break them, they need upgrades. So there's an enormous amount of value in that regard. I can tell you that from my 15 years in the company, we've had tremendous years of success. The company's never been positioned better than we are positioned today in terms of

the opportunities in the future. Phenomenal, phenomenal position. We exited our third quarter, which we just had our earnings call, with $764 million with the backlog. That is a large, large increase and a record backlog than ever before in the history of the company. So we're going to have a record year. We're going to have the record quarter. We have a record backlog going into the following year. And we are sitting in a market that is essentially just everybody's talking about the type of capabilities that we primarily are in business for yeah so it's a great position and is there is there a market outside of the dod and the and the governments like talk to us about how you think about that absolutely so today there's markets for

the problem of interior it's for the homeland security for the border for the golden dome And we, as I said, export to up to 55 different countries around the world. These are all U.S. allies. And as they increase their spending with defense budgets going up, I believe that we're going to be one of the primary beneficiaries of those because they're spending more money in the areas that we provide capability. And why is that? Number one, it's the kind of capability that has made Ukraine successful against the superpower, A. B, it is far more affordable. We are a much, much more affordable capability than anyone else. Let me give you a perfect example. Today, there's over 1,500 Pumas flying in Ukraine on a daily basis, 7 by 24, right? The cost of that,

1,500 Pumas is less than a couple of F-16s, maybe one F-16. So you look, we're like 70, 80% of the Ukraine's air force capability. You can't get that with one F-16. And so the economic equation is much, much in our favor. Yeah. And you gave us that with the Switchblade in your, I think, latest call. I talked about one of the Switchblade 600s, basically for every one launch on average is about $13 million of hardware destroyed in Ukraine. That's right. In the last few months, they've used about $36 million worth of Switchblade 600s and they've destroyed. This according to Ukrainian military specific data points, close to $3 billion worth of Russian strategic assets. And these are not like little assets. These are strategic assets that takes

years to replace. And so they consider a switchblade not a tactical weapon, but a strategic weapon. Why? It's because of these dynamics. And do you think that if you play it forward a few years from now, well, International is obviously a big part tied to the war in Ukraine, but will that be the big growth driver for air environment plus Blue Halo going forward? Actually, we have growth in all of our segments, and I believe that the Blue Halo is going to accelerate our growth and is going to give us more opportunities to grow and allows us to position ourselves better for our customers' long-term needs, number one. But our growth is in every category. Domestically, we have

tremendous amount of programs that are coming our way. So, we see tremendous growth in our switchblade loading munition. McCready Works has many, many new concepts that we have not talked about some of them publicly, but some of them we have. We're going to see some exciting news in the next month or two or three from that as well. And then obviously, internationally, the growing customers that we have, and all these customers are going to be increasing their spending quite a bit. And guess where they're going to be spending a lot of their money? the concentration of those investments are going in the categories that we are the leader in the world. So like I said, the future for AV has never been brighter. I genuinely mean that because I

truly feel we're positioned incredibly, incredibly well. I mean, we've positioned ourselves really well. We have the demonstrated track record, and we're one of the very few companies who actually has a track record of delivering to the U.S. DoD at the scale that the U.S. DoD is looking for. well let's talk a little bit about manufacturing of course tariffs all in the news um i know you have a big investment going on in out in utah of one of your plants but just when you're thinking about the landscape of increasing costs and where you're manufacturing things give us your lay of the land on what you're thinking as a ceo of uh of a of a company like you said is building the technology stack internally and also on the manufacturing side as well too sure so we're so

we're very focused from over a decade or two decades ago to build the next generation defense tech prime that the USDOD and the world, our allies need and deserve. That's really fundamentally been our strategy and vision long-term. We are the powerhouse when it comes to manufacturing for the defense industries, especially in drones and loading munitions. There's nobody that I know of that has anywhere close to our scale for defense production capability when it comes to capable systems. For example, we've been producing, we've already delivered over 60,000 of these systems worldwide. They're operating in any, every continent, every sort of weather systems you can imagine. Production cost and tariffs, we do not see a problem with that in

our business primarily because A, all of our suppliers are domestic. We have some component level suppliers that are not domestic, like resistors and capacitors, which we're exposed to in everywhere. But that's a very small percentage of the total cost of our bill of materials on our products. So we don't expect that to be a problem, number one. Number two, we have the ability to also adjust our price with our customers because we sell a lot of our stuff as a commercial item. So commercial item means that we, the tape, we set the price, but obviously we do it very rationally and very reasonably. So we don't cause problems. And we've been very successful at it. So in that regard, we're good. And our manufacturing for drones and

looting munitions, all in US. We intentionally decided many years ago that these things are going to be a problem for the rest of the industry. And we do not want to be like the rest of the industry. We were ahead of the curve even then. And that's why we announced the new manufacturing facility that gives us another 5x capacity increase for looting munitions business. but it's very exciting because we're planning beyond next year. We're planning for the next five plus years because we see so many demand coming our way. That is very, very exciting. I'm almost surprised we've gone this far without really talking about AI. I don't think that's happened in any of your, I'm sure, conversations with any investors. So you mentioned at the very

top, let's just circle back to that. I know artificial intelligence runs throughout the entire product suite. Talk about some of your investments you're making and why that's so important for your environment and for your customers really so andy i'm glad you brought this up because there's a lot of hype and talk these days and companies are just saying the word ai and autonomy in their name they become you know very popular and we recognize this 10 plus years ago there's a level of autonomy in our systems that has been actually in integrated in our system in our drones since inception look for example raven 20 years ago there's some level of autonomy in ravens even then because the operator the pilot on the ground doesn't fly it it actually

commands it to go from point a to point b to point c and loiter wait here keep an eye on this target so there's a level of autonomy and ai that's already built in there but we are way way deeper than that we believe all of these systems are going to work almost fully autonomously with no human in the loop eventually and in fact a lot of that is in play today and so we've been investing very heavily in that over the last decade and we offer solutions today in fact the ability for switchblade to be able to lock on a target and finish the target successfully with low to little collateral damage is part of that algorithm and part of that software capability. So we're a very large player in this space and we continue to invest in it. And I believe long

term, it's going to be very, very big. And the good part is Blue Halo recognize the same thing and they've been investing in this area as well. And so the combination of the two is going to be very, very unique in a massive industry. We're really excited about that. As we wrap up here, Waheed, thank you again for your time. Talk a little bit about the balance between growth and profits as you continue to evolve our environment from a continued IP perspective with the products for your clients. There's a balance between investing in factories in Utah and figuring out how to manage the most efficient cost structure you can to continue to focus on your profit picture. How do you handle that growth?

Sure. So it is not an easy balance because the appetite and the desire and the demand for investment is very large because we're growing and there's a lot of opportunity to go even faster. And at the same time, we've always remained very disciplined since ever since we've been public that we're going to be, we're going to continue to have profitable growth. Now, every year we have to balance that. The fortunate thing is that we have a demonstrated track record to be able to actually grow and do it profitably. And so it's been a tremendously positive outcome for our shareholders. We do not believe in a non unsustainable top line growth where you just buy revenue with no profits. That we believe is a disastrous outcome eventually for the shareholder.

And that has been proven in industry after industry. And unfortunately, there's a lot of that going on these days around even our industry, where people are not being really disciplined around investments. So anyway, but our track record is very good. We have an outstanding track record that when we invest in growth, we deliver on it profitably for all of our stakeholders. At the same time, there are times where we ramp up increased R&D investment, primarily because we see more growth down the line for more opportunities. That's a good sign in our view. And we always do it in a very measured, judicious process. So there is good return for our shareholders in the short and long term as well. And our track record speaks for itself. We've had a very, very good record in terms of that.

And we continue to do that. And that's actually good news because we are a business that's thriving in terms of growth. And that actually, it's more difficult when you're not growing than we have to reduce cost. That's not the problem that we have. The problem for us is where can we invest so we can have the highest return rather than, you know, we're not to invest. So the appetite for growth is significant in our business. Well, hey, my last question as we're wrapping up here with our conversation with you is you all are very good, cautious with stock-based compensation. There's getting a lot of attention now with a lot of tech companies of which I put you in that category.

How do you balance that between cash compensation, stock-based compensation, and incentive rewards for your team? And how does that impact your culture? Sure. So, great question again, Andy. You're asking all the right questions, if you ask me, in my view. Look, compensation, especially bonuses and stock, is fundamental to our strategy. It has been since we've been public. For example, when I first joined AV, one of the reasons I liked it 15 years ago is that every employee had a bonus plan. Every employee had a bonus plan. And I learned that in the airspace and defense industry, the big primes actually don't even provide a bonus for every employee. There is no such thing as a bonus for everybody. And so I'm on the same bonus

plan as everybody on the factory floor. And why do we do that? It's because we want to align our priorities and our incentives and our outcomes with our shareholders and with our customers as well and so therefore it allows us to all move in the right direction and be aligned stock i mean we're generally conservative because we care about our shareholders but we do know and our shareholders recognize this that stock-based compensation for our employees is critical we have people that have been with our company for over 40 years 40 years andy and why is because we believe in the long-term win-win-win relationship and outcomes as a team. And so, I think that's going to continue to be part of our strategy. And the beauty of this was the best

example that is Blue Halo. That is an all-Scott deal. They believe so much in their strategy and our strategy that it took 100% stock. It's really unheard of for private equity firm, Ray Rupp, we were one, Arlington Capital, for any of them to take it. But I have great relationship with them, and they really believe in the long-term strategy that we both have as a partner, which is exciting. And so I think we are positioned and poised for a lot of strong performance and prosperity over the next several years. Well, Heedan and Wabi, thank you for joining us here for that conversation about air environment.

Exciting times ahead. Challenging also as you bring in a very exciting partner in Blue Halo and an acquisition that you're going to close sometime hopefully in the next year. And we wish you, on behalf of the Mountain Forum, all the best. Thank you, Andy. You said it right. If it was easy, everybody would do it. It's not easy.

It's hard work, but it's worth it. And we're committed to it. And we're excited about it. Thanks for having me.